Garnet

[novel copper]

that was great

gg's

[crisp bronze]

that one combo

in the middle of match

was good

[novel copper]

Yeah, for a moment there I was cooking with garlic

[crisp bronze]

i have one problem with garnet

i never know waht is true

and what is not

[novel copper]

Mmhm

[crisp bronze]

as an combo

[novel copper]

I just go with my gut

sometimes it works out

[crisp bronze]

same

but when im pulling long combos/strings
one dodge can end me

when im performing it under sky blastzone

[novel copper]

yeah, that's the danger of going all in

but the reward though

alrighty, time for me to head home

I'll edit my clips from today's Ranked and post them

[crisp bronze]

nice

[dark seal]

I swear

those Fross 1s no joke 😭 I learned yesterday

I cannot beat a Morty omg

[tiny comet]

Pains

Morty mu just require alot of patience

And precise reactions

[signal dirge]

Also.

Ranks don't mean anything

The games matchmakings mmr is disconnected from your rank

Meaning grinding is based on improvement rather than your placement to the average player

There are gonna be people in masters who are far worse than you

And people in gold far better than you

[dark seal]

Yea true it’s annoying I just beat two in a row by playing like them

just runaway, star, and throw projectiles

[loud light]

I was in gold 3 all day til getting to gold 2 getting matched with plat players I could beat and bronze players that were lowkey tough, rank don’t mean jack lol

[exotic hemlock]

is it just be or has garnet gotten more fun lately

[signal dirge]

Garnets always been the most fun. Sound design is so nice too

I just want a bit more on her. Just something new

[rough mason]

Buff Garnet

Buff garnet

[burnt wolf]

best garnet perks?

[buoyant shuttle]

personal opinion for 1v1s

signature slot
-5% is generally good
-marker perk depends on how much you want to play around deliberately placing it, if you want to actually use it smartly take 5%, if you dont want to think about it take marker
-electric groove feels really underwhelming but shrug

slot 1
-snowball effect is just a flat damage boost in 1v1s, universally good
-protective momentum is a tech pick against bugs/marvin/rick/etc
-flammable doc sounds good on paper but personally i dont think garnet's two mid-cooldown projectiles are up enough to justify it over snowball

slot 2
-last stand and speed force assist are both universally good, garnet's heavy enough to survive to 100+ often and movespeed is always important
-2 fast 2 block is a tech pick against wonder woman/superman/other armor users
-airwalker is a big brain perk that im too dumb to use but on paper it has a lot of powerful applications if you want to dedicate the time to learning it

slot 3
-pugilist is universally good, garnet is almost entirely melee
-armor killer is a tech pick against ww/supes/armor
-clear the air is strong on paper in some matchups but unless you want to really learn to parry it might not do much for you, depends on skill level

tl;dr
set 1: 5% or marker, snowball effect, last stand or speed force, pugilist: the universally good 1v1 set
set 2: 5% or market, protective momentum, last stand or speed force, pugilist or clear the air: anti-projectile set (bugs, marvin, rick, gizmo, etc)
set 3: 5% or market, snowball effect, 2 fast 2 block, armor killer: anti-armor set (supes, ww, black adam, etc)
sub in airwalker on any of them if you want to try and learn to use it

dont feel bad about not taking 5%, airwalker or clear the air if you dont think you're good enough to use them, i actually dropped the anti-projectile set because im bad at parrying and i kept forgetting to use protective momentum

and others might definitely be worth trying out

[burnt wolf]

wow thank you! I'll have this screenshotted

[buoyant shuttle]

overall my biggest recommendation for perks in general is just be willing to have an alternate set or two for specific matchups, theres a lot of value in taking certain perks to make certain matchups easier

[signal dirge]

Anti projectile stuff feels so useless when all the projectiles I have issue with are unblockable

Or just aren't projectiles

Like Smith gun

The only time I find myself actually wanting to use the reflect is against Tom's balls in 2s

[buoyant shuttle]

yeah theres an element of skill versus crutch involved as well

one of the biggest examples is that protective momentum lets you run straight through bugs' safe when he throws it at you

but im at the point where i never feel like i have much issue playing around it and contesting it, especially after the nerf to it

but if you arent at that level of play its worth taking just to make the matchup easier until you learn

theoretically if you know how to deal with every single character in the game and play optimally the correct perk set is always 5%, snowball, speed force and puglist, but 99% of people arent going to be at that level so its a matter of which perks help you deal with situations you struggle with

[signal dirge]

If you're already running and on the ground. Just dodge the safe

[buoyant shuttle]

true

[signal dirge]

You save like what. 1 meter?

[buoyant shuttle]

there was a point where i was like "oh man this perk lets me completely ignore this entire huge move i suck at dealing with" and now its like "oh i just bait it out and dodge i guess i dont need this anymore"

[signal dirge]

He also like puts his hand down way before the safe appears and it's like crack to them

Bugs will give up all aggression and just go to the safe

[buoyant shuttle]

yeah its kind of funny how many of them drop it in the air and then run right into my charged punch

[signal dirge]

I mean. Projectile sheild is good for getting dash attack loops on morty

It's not helping you w tom

And Marvin uses unblockables mostly. The bubbles and stuff are more util then actual zoning

[buoyant shuttle]

i need to sleep but yeah, eventually you'll get skilled enough that most perks arent necessary

[signal dirge]

Last stand letting garnet combo sair 1 jab upspecial to kill really early is still goated.

Sure 7% more damage is good but killing 10% earlier aswell? Goated. Stack 5% now we've gotten about 20% free per stock assuming none last past 100

[tiny comet]

👀

[frozen iris]

I'm going to have to take a break from Garnet. I thought I was seeing the vision, but it stopped cold for me today. I want to play her fast, but I'm just getting bodied, then I even up playing super lame and I don't want that.

[novel copper]

#clips message

😭 😭 😭

[past pendant]

Dude

I can’t believe they added a garnet skin in the battlepass when I spent my gleamium on her emotes

🥲

Sighs

But the garnet grind is crazy tho

U really just gotta believe in yourself and u will win😭😭😭

And now that I got better with her I can understand why their quick to nerf her if she gets a buff we are gonna be dominating so hard

[signal dirge]

Give armor to star flight. Make sair 1 >3

2

I want sair 1 to combo into sair 2

[lavish berry]

Star flight having armor would be way too OP. It's already a very strong move. and ive never had an issue with Sair 2 connecting after hitting Sair 1

[signal dirge]

Another game lost because sair 1 didn't combo to sair 2

Calm it with the gaslighting

I comment every instance it doesn't connect

[lavish berry]

i aint saying it isn't true, im just saying ive never had it happen lol

[tiny comet]

I just want star to work 🙂‍↔️

[signal dirge]

I've heard some say that. So I just started logging everytime here

And yeah garnet gets stuck on everything for star

Give it armor on flight

[tiny comet]

I know things i want buffed on garnet

Its quite obvious what needs to get buffed

But no one says it

I just hope pfg sees it too

[crisp bronze]

im the only one who have every sair into sair true?

[signal dirge]

[tiny comet]

Always i add up air with it for funsies

[signal dirge]

It's just inconsistent. It drops like 1 in 15

[tiny comet]

Juggle time

[signal dirge]

Wonder woman at 150 at the side. Fair 1. No fair 2. Gets whiff punished

[crisp bronze]

tbh only thing that is inconsistent for me is clap

i didnt lose game bcs of it yet

but its annoying af

[signal dirge]

Like 1 in 100 upspecial drops but it's nothing of note. Just niche scenarios

Sair is inconsistent. And clap just is hell

[tiny comet]

Charge up attack

[crisp bronze]

idk what you doing with that sair

just queue it

and its always true

[signal dirge]

Nope. I did with wonder woman. I imput it rapidly

It was buffered

It drops.

[tiny comet]

Half way charging up attack kills sometimes 😏

[signal dirge]

The first hit sent her outside of sair 2 range

Allow sair 2 to come out faster

OR FIX IT

[tiny comet]

😂

Z pains

[crisp bronze]

sounds like skill issue

[signal dirge]

Well I like garnet even if she's weak but like. I want her moves to work.

I shouldn't be getting a flight hit then not grabbing them. I shouldn't be getting sair one not comboin into sair 2

What's the skill. Hitting the button twice

[crisp bronze]

like
im playing a lot

and i hit every single sair into sair 2

and you trying to tell me its not true

like

comon

[signal dirge]

Ask aqua if you don't believe me

It's simply not workingn

[crisp bronze]

nah

eussi lliks

[signal dirge]

That's not words

[crisp bronze]

backward

[signal dirge]

Oh its backwards

[tiny comet]

The return of buff player 2

62 damage agent smith

[crisp bronze]

ok

enoguh yapping

[tiny comet]

Me 223 dmg

Smh

[crisp bronze]

back to elden ring

[tiny comet]

Ew

[signal dirge]

I'm still gonna note every time it whiffs while queued

[tiny comet]

Pve slave

😏

[crisp bronze]

you playing rifts probably

: D

[signal dirge]

It's true but certain momentum or parts of the hit of sair 1. Don't combo into sair 2

[tiny comet]

Naaaaa

Spacing matters

Di too

Rift a.i would do better in these 2s

Smh

Stats need to be more accurate

It be lyin

[lavish berry]

nah ive never had it drop

[signal dirge]

Sair dropped again while jumping from wall

[tiny comet]

Dimensions

🙂‍↕️

[lavish berry]

idk what to tell you man,

you genuinely have to be doing something wrong

[signal dirge]

Sair drops against wall this time. While fallinf

Nope. They are still in hitstuff. Just whiffs

They don't dodge it or anything.

They just aren't in range for sair 2

Maybe at this point yakl just don't use it in dropping situations since you've played so much

I have started to forgo sair 1 into uair just to document. I've also turned up my buffer window from 10 to make double inputs even more buffered.

It just drops

[tiny comet]

Rip this iron giant

[signal dirge]

If you lose on ig in 2s. Hang up the game

[tiny comet]

109 he survived a fully charged

Criminal behavior

[signal dirge]

That just shouldn't exist

Nothing should survive a fully charge garnet punch above 100

[tiny comet]

Clap almost sold me

They keep this up ima iad air up special on combo

Just to kill

[rough mason]

Buff garnet

[tiny comet]

😂

Finn got the

K.o

[lavish berry]

Finally hit diamond

I dunno if I got it in me to grind for master tbh

I probably could, but it would take so long

[past pendant]

Anyone else find Samurai jack is annoying

Also agent smith

Why is bro shooting my gauntlet

[dark seal]

Sometimes but if they’re spamming side special you can charge neutral, tank it and punch thru them

[past pendant]

Hmmmmm

What about agent smith

Honestly garnet needs a speed buff for he attacks and movement and then we cooking

GIVE US SOMETHING PFG

I JUST WANTED MY CHEEEEEEEEEEEESSEEEE

[crisp bronze]

garent can throw you on 20 to the trash can when you have burnout

xd

[dark seal]

Can’t tank Agent smith gun dash I don’t think

[crisp bronze]

you cat

cant

you can jump over it tho

[tiny comet]

Just double jack in 2s

If its just one i smash em

[tiny comet]

[past pendant]

Nah I fought double jack

I can’t stand that

[crisp bronze]

tbh i still think people focus on wrong moves on jack

side special is strong

but far from op

jab and spin on the other hand...

[frozen iris]

So true, just jab at the ledge, or dash. makes it so hard to space against him. And you almost always have to dodge away because spin will catch you.

[crisp bronze]

ye

someone who understand that

no wae

[tiny comet]

I see ttv out here lag switching

👀

[crisp bronze]

no way

give link xD

[tiny comet]

Bet

[lavish berry]

ive fought like 100 jacks now at this point, and still getting caught off guard by the WILD hitbox of his jab and spin. side special is predictable, and a pain off stage

[tiny comet]

Punch em

And keep punching them

Just killed bugs at 17 hp with ole reliable

11-1 vs jack

Side special this

[frozen iris]

How do you know your stats per character? Or are you just counting?

[tiny comet]

12-1

I’m counting for ranked 1s

Plat 2 baby

Now i take a break

Rip all the finn players

[signal dirge]

Sair 2 failed to connect on Jack. Hit finn tho so we good

[novel copper]

Getting real sick of Jack players playing like Arya and Joker's lovechild

[tiny comet]

😂

[past pendant]

I played against a Finn and jack team

Lawd have mercy

That some real tilting stuff

[tiny comet]

I can imagine

Went against finn and supes

Just double teaming corner carrying

Not fun

[frozen iris]

I watched PaulyBear Twitch vods (currently rank 2) and noticed some cool things he's doing. He uses the projectile ignite perk on the first slot, and this seems weird until you see how he used jab. When he gets a jab, he almost never does an ender. He will get the jab, then use whichever projectile he has (side or up), then see how the opponent dodges, then follow up with another jab if neutral, or shoulder/reverse should if away or towards. With the up projectile as well, he let's it pull up just a bit, so it often catches people dodging away. He also uses the star perk just for extra mobility.

You should check his vods out, some good stuff for those of us that need to learn.

[fluid trail]

grounded up-angled shoulder bash confirms into up air at 90-110 if you have the di read, do with this info what you will

[tiny comet]

😏 breaks the game

[novel copper]

I'll have to try this.

[frozen iris]

thanks, will try this. biggest lesson i've learned. Garnet's jab isn't a punish or really a combo tool like joker or jack. It's just a read and bit of a neutral tool. Shoulder serves me a lot better.

[frozen iris]

Yeah, I noticed a huge jump in damage and I don't have to engage as much to get it.

[fluid trail]

sair 1 combos into jab and works as a pseudo-burst option, try falling sair 1 jab1 shoulder bash up air

[frozen iris]

I do use it like that. I just mean doing a raw jab isn't usally a good option. Joker can anti-air and full combo with his. But no point crying over it, just have to play with our tools.

[novel copper]

Yeah, I tried playing more aggro like Fross does but I just get camped out by characters with faster moves, it's not working for me.

Maybe the ignite damage will make up for it.

[drowsy arch]

omg yay I just reached plat 5

in 2v2

[novel copper]

neat-o

[frozen iris]

Yeah, I'm disappointed in myself. I just don't had the reactions to play that close and fast.

[frozen iris]

Congrats. Also, is it true there still isn't a master Garnet in 2v2?

[fluid trail]

if you get beat out by Aryas specifically its not just you struggling

arya is the best character in the game rn

[novel copper]

Arya, Jack, Morty... all the high tiers are high tiers for a reason 😭

Morty isn't as bad since he has to keep a distance and I usually catch him

[fluid trail]

i'd argue jack is actually a pretty good matchup for garnet if you take advantage of her whole kit

[novel copper]

but those other two

[frozen iris]

I'm starting to hate Jack more than Morty because I see him so much.

[fluid trail]

one of garnets few 50/50 matchups

[novel copper]

I dunno, today I had to fight 3 Jacks who did nothing but dance back and forth to land their stupid Marth-grab kick

I hate it

[loud light]

Every other match for me is Jack now

[novel copper]

And one was actually smart enough to throw my projectiles back at me, so I was kinda screwed

[loud light]

I swear Tony is throwing Jack after Jack at me so I consider him more and more stronger than I really think he is

[fluid trail]

dash attack is a good counter for jab spamming Jokers and Jacks, use dash attack to condition them out of jab spam and punish accordingly

[loud light]

Cause my only true problem with Jack is his jab 1

It’s such a dumb reach

[drowsy arch]

I'm not sure?

[novel copper]

That... almost never works when I try it 😭

[frozen iris]

Yeah, specifically dash jab covers half the stage. That's why it's hard to approach him.

[loud light]

Legit

If you look at jab with his ripped clothes skin

[frozen iris]

I would love to see some vid of that, becuase same. I can't seem to do it.

[loud light]

At the peak of the move

[fluid trail]

you could also just chuck rocket gauntlets at them and punish their response options

[loud light]

His leg is longer than his torso

Why the hell is his leg longer than his torso 😭

[fluid trail]

jack doesnt have very good ways of dealing with projectiles

[novel copper]

Yeah no see, one of them just threw the dang thing back at me

[frozen iris]

Cartoons, man.

[novel copper]

I stopped it with Rhythm but then he caught me with the freaking KICK

[fluid trail]

throw has decent endlag, chuck projectile and approach from above

[loud light]

They hyped parry up to be super good against them but from what I’ve seen clips of it stinks (can’t say for myself cause Finn don’t have projectiles)

[frozen iris]

True, but if you call that, dodge it and punish. They will have to switch option

[golden sapphire]

Ehhhh he has shadow step perk technically but it’s a gimmick at best

[novel copper]

Dodge it and then get caught by his kick 😭

I'll just have to try approaching from the air

[frozen iris]

I don't like parrying projectiles because it doesn't stun the opponents even up close.. Like I can parry WW lasso, but I still can't punish her for it.

[loud light]

No no jack parry

[frozen iris]

Oh, my bad

[novel copper]

I think it's only good with a specific Perk, not sure

I haven't touched Jack at all

[loud light]

Yeah shadow step I think

[golden sapphire]

Yeah shadow step

[loud light]

With full meter parrying a projectile teleports you to them

[novel copper]

Ahhh

[fluid trail]

shadow step is a gimmick, its very dodgeable similar to batman grapple

[frozen iris]

i want to play Jack, but not while everyone is doing it. The mirrors alone would drive me nuts. I'm going to wait two or three character releases before giving him a shot.

[fluid trail]

and it puts the jack in a bad spot if he teleports offstage

[golden sapphire]

It’s a gimmick since you have to use the sig perk slot which he wants the down special one for kill confirms

[drowsy arch]

why does garnet's neut special suck ass for the anti-projectile thing lol

it's way 2 slow

[novel copper]

I have a clip where I just baited Batman's grapple and punched him into oblivion

It was glorious

[loud light]

Can’t wait for Jack to slowly fizzle off

[drowsy arch]

i think that's my most requested buff.... make neut special come out faster

[loud light]

So I don’t have to see his face every two seconds

[drowsy arch]

I feel like i'm getting goood vs playing vs jack tho

i've been whiff punishing his side special with down tilt

[frozen iris]

I wish it started a bit faster, not frame 1, or it would be broken. or let her dodge out of it without dropping first.

[golden sapphire]

Jack is fun

[novel copper]

That would actually be pretty helpful, but they'll never do it 😔

[drowsy arch]

I like ur idea of dodge canceling out of it faster

make us use meter

if we want ot make it "safer"

[golden sapphire]

Yeah they’ll decrease the hitstun on uppercut AGAIN before they buff sing

[fluid trail]

neutral special should come out faster and grant a stack of rhythm when the projectile shield comes out, it might actually be useful at that point

rn its only useful in a garnet mirror

[drowsy arch]

I think dodge cancelling out of it is a great idea

[frozen iris]

I'm not sure he will. He's a very popular character as easy to pick up. I think he might be the new bugs.

[loud light]

Sadly

[drowsy arch]

i rather fight jack than bugs still tbh

[fluid trail]

that would be better than giving rhythm on startup honestly

[loud light]

Can’t wait for Beetlejuice to be even better

[loud light]

Agreed tbh

At least with Jack he doesn’t have projectiles along with amazing aerials

[golden sapphire]

Bugs up air is more annoying than Jack’s entire kit

[drowsy arch]

jack's rage side special needs to be toned down a bit or make his rage build a bit slower

[loud light]

Easily

[drowsy arch]

but tbh I think jack is "fine"

[loud light]

Dumbest up air ever

[drowsy arch]

i think strong chars are good for the game.... i wish they were all built up to jack's power lvl

[loud light]

It’s not even an up air it’s neutral air 2

[drowsy arch]

jack felt really good to play tbh

[loud light]

Because why does an UP air hit in front above and behind him

[frozen iris]

Right, I want to see character rise. Like Taz is nuts now. Anyone fight a good one, he moves like a maniac now.

[novel copper]

His feet have ridiculous hitboxes

[golden sapphire]

And kill on top of that

[loud light]

At 70

[novel copper]

Taz is fun to fight when he isn't spamming tornado

[fluid trail]

ridiculous move with absurd frame data and killpower with basically no punish window lolol

[drowsy arch]

ya taz is in a good spot

how do u deal with taz btw?

It's hard for me to deal with nado

[loud light]

His dash attack goes so far and fast it’s insane

[drowsy arch]

and taz moves quicker than garnet so it's so rough

[novel copper]

I've yet to find a way to knock him out of it without projectiles

[fluid trail]

because there isnt one

[loud light]

Down tilt maybe?

[novel copper]

Figures 😭

[frozen iris]

I don't even think Tornado is the best think it his kit, The holdable up tilt, his dash attack, nair are all insane.

[drowsy arch]

spaced and timed neutral attack with armor should.... but so risky

[fluid trail]

you cant beat taz tornado as garnet its just not possible

[golden sapphire]

Taz is completely busted on stages with no platforms but manageable on stages with platforms

[loud light]

I mean they do literally show in the first Multiversus trailer Garnet hitting Taz out of tornado with gauntlets lol

[fluid trail]

maybe if garnets up b projectile was spammable but its just nor

[novel copper]

I've gotten used to those moves, down tilt punishes the dash attack and sometimes the up tilt if they're stupid. It's the tornado that's the biggest threat for me.

[loud light]

I guess they made that like that on purpose

[fluid trail]

thats extremely inconsistent and you have to be very lucky to land it

[drowsy arch]

do i save gauntlets just for anti nado? is that the tech?

[frozen iris]

I have, but it's hard. Basically relied on parrying the tornado. But once they learn they start dancing the tornado to avoid it, then go in.

[fluid trail]

sair 2 can occasionally hit taz out of nado but you have to space it perfectly

[drowsy arch]

ohhhh i always forget a bout parry omg

lol

[golden sapphire]

Kinda but then you gut your combo potential by not having access to shoulder tackle

[loud light]

What about neutral tilt? (The punch with the armor, I dunno what it’s called for you guys)

[drowsy arch]

ya that's what i said

the armor doesn't come out right away

is the issue

[golden sapphire]

Tornado is a multi hit

[novel copper]

His nair is really good, to the point that I stop avoiding it and just shoulder bash to trade and try to take the advantage, which usually works out for me

[drowsy arch]

^ that's interesting

[fluid trail]

sair 1 jab 1 rocket side b into dodge cancel sair is a good mixup option, not true unless they ground bounce but still decent nonetheless

[frozen iris]

Tight read, and the taz can set himself in front of you to punsh, rarelly worth it.

[loud light]

Oof

Are there any Garnet +2 matchups?

[novel copper]

Also does NOT work on Tornado, even the first hit just knocks you out the move regardless of armor, which is BS

[golden sapphire]

lol no

[drowsy arch]

I wish garnet's shockwave hit airborne people

[loud light]

What about Velma?

[drowsy arch]

it's so dumb watching ppl jump over the shockwave with dash attack lol

[novel copper]

NOPE. Only matchup we're plus on is like... Jake. MAYBE Iron Giant.

[frozen iris]

Uh, used to be Jason 2 patches ago. Bad frame data and could combo him to death. Now I actually think Jason is even.

[loud light]

Dang

[fluid trail]

velma is +1 and so is jason, those are garnets only two winning MUs

[novel copper]

I haven't fought a Velma since Season 2 dropped so I can't say anything on that.

[fluid trail]

the rest are 50/50 or hard losing

[golden sapphire]

Her zoning is kind of a problem for garnet

[loud light]

Why did they get rid of Garnet jab loop she literally needs it 😭

[loud light]

Haven’t found one in 1v1 period

[frozen iris]

Fought one in plat. Decent player, but everything on the character is gimmick. Won without too much issue,.

[loud light]

Literally had to ask one I found on YT to 1v1 for the matchup experience

[fluid trail]

removes garnet jab loop only to leave t&j up tilt loop unchanged for 3 patches

[novel copper]

They got rid of her loops but kept Superman's. Can't believe it. 😔

[fluid trail]

very competent dev team!

[loud light]

Or Joker jab into 50 damage

While he has one of the best jabs

[frozen iris]

I miss it so much. But she doesn't need it. But a bit more consistency in what she does have would be good.

[loud light]

That drags you into him

As a MAGE CLASS

[fluid trail]

and hits behind him cant forget that

[novel copper]

It does have a weird pull, they gotta explain that one

[fluid trail]

and has a super long lasting hitbox cant forget that

[loud light]

The balancing for this game is just so insanely inconsistent

[golden sapphire]

Joker jab1/2 into pogo is so bs

[loud light]

What should and shouldn’t be possible

[fluid trail]

devs have a clear group of favorites

[loud light]

Velma is not one of them

[fluid trail]

nor is garnet

[loud light]

Even though they seem to like giving Velma screen time now

[novel copper]

Which is funny considering how much spotlight she has in promotions and whatnot

[loud light]

With the season 2 reveal trailer and the Jason trailer

[loud light]

Yes exactly

[drowsy arch]

i've been playing velma in 2's and i rly enjoy her

[frozen iris]

Velma in the beta was a menace. And she's paying for it(she doesn't deserve this much, though.) Garnet has just always been a bit weak.

[loud light]

Why are yall showing her off when she’s literally doomed to 2v2s

[loud light]

Beta Velma was a god

[fluid trail]

shes not even good in twos either 😭

[drowsy arch]

her setplay with van is interesting

[loud light]

I guess PFG was scared they made a character that does what a support character should do in a game focused around 2v2

Can’t have that I guess

[novel copper]

tbf that's also Reindog but he's nowhere near as bad as Velma

[loud light]

Literally haven’t seen a single Reindog either

[drowsy arch]

also steven......

[loud light]

I don’t even know if he’s good or not 😭

[frozen iris]

Half of Velma's crimes was what she enable with Giant. Giant had to get specific nerfs because she gave him near unlimited burst.

[drowsy arch]

and gizmo lol

[novel copper]

I've fought a few, lost because PROJECTILE HELL

[fluid trail]

reindog is great in ones for his camping and zoning potentia-

potential

god i hate saying that

[novel copper]

Can't go for the crystal anymore either, they're using that as bait

[fluid trail]

i hate saying a character is good because they camp its just so bad

[loud light]

Sadly Velma in 1s is doomed to projectile camping most the time

[novel copper]

clever jerks 😭

[loud light]

Or as the Velma mains describe her, “stray hit queen”

[frozen iris]

I see a fair amount of Steven. Manageable, but annoying. I'm bad at fighting Reindog, but no matchup experience.

[novel copper]

Steven is very manageable now that his nair has been nerfed

[fluid trail]

camping as a playstyle shouldnt exist in platform fighters it just makes the game grind to a halt

[novel copper]

can actually hit him out of it

[drowsy arch]

reindog was my main in beta, but i don't like how he feels now

[loud light]

Haven’t seen many Stevens

[drowsy arch]

even tho i see a lot of ppl have success with reindog

[loud light]

But I don’t usually like fighting nair and aerial down special for a neutral game

[drowsy arch]

what are ur approach tools with garnet? nair and shoulder jab?

[frozen iris]

Only issue with Steven is his sair? (the shield from his stomach). Insane knockback, and a auto reflector.

[drowsy arch]

sair?

[golden sapphire]

Steven air down special is a crime

[loud light]

Man I forgot Banana Guard is a character in this game

[novel copper]

After you knock Steven out of nair he stops spamming it less, so you can bait out his other moves

[loud light]

I swear it always has priority

[golden sapphire]

“I get down for completely free!”

[novel copper]

That one always ends up getting me, still haven't found a way around it

[loud light]

Get out of the air free card

[loud light]

Pray

[novel copper]

Not even shoulder tackle trading helps because of the aforementioned knockback

[drowsy arch]

am i tripping or to me I feel like garnet's nair beats steven's nair

[fluid trail]

whats stevens down special again i dont know what move is his down special

[loud light]

Shield slide

[novel copper]

I believe that's Shield Slide (air) and Watermelon Steven (ground)

[drowsy arch]

the shield surfing

[fluid trail]

ugh

[loud light]

Aka get back to stage for free

[frozen iris]

It can, or they trade. I just accept the trade a bunch, then they switch.

[fluid trail]

yeah

[loud light]

Because priority over everything despite the fact the shield is not in front of me but under me

[fluid trail]

he get out of juggles free its annoying but it is punishable

[drowsy arch]

I feel like if u approach steven with ur legs.... u have more reach

i ususally beat him

[loud light]

Dash attack?

[drowsy arch]

maybe I am more familiar with the matchup because i tried maining steven

garnet's nair

[fluid trail]

stevens is still better because better startup, longer charge time and better aerial drift

[loud light]

Oh

[drowsy arch]

I think I just understand the matchup better then....

[fluid trail]

and it can be used for edgeguards while garnets struggles in that role

[drowsy arch]

i'm not good tho

[novel copper]

The mobility of that nair is what bothers me the most, he shouldn't be THAT fast

[loud light]

The banana guard fall off is insane

Bro went from op to dog water

[drowsy arch]

rebuff him lol

[loud light]

I straight up forget he’s a character

[drowsy arch]

even the rebuffs wont save him

[loud light]

I haven’t seen bro in eons

[novel copper]

I haven't seen a single Banana Guard in Ranked and I'm thankful for that

[loud light]

Banished to season 1

[novel copper]

[drowsy arch]

tbh i like facing b guard lol

i'll take b guard over fin any day

i'm so done with fin's up special sucking me in

[loud light]

Banana guard feels like a tutorial boss

[loud light]

Yeah large characters can’t deal with it

[fluid trail]

nana guard is very neutral heavy and once you learn to play around that most of them are free wins

some nana guards are cracked with great mixups tho

[loud light]

They actually had to learn to do something that isn’t side special

[drowsy arch]

any char is a threat in this game if run by a good char

good player*

[loud light]

Well yeah

Even Velma can be made to look like Joker if you’re good enough

But tbh that’s basically all platform fighters

[drowsy arch]

ya my friend is rank 1 on ladder on day 1

he's so crazy with velma

[fluid trail]

nana guard is still a good character but you actually have to be good at the game for it to show now

[drowsy arch]

he's the main person i climed 2's with

[loud light]

Nice

[drowsy arch]

i def hold him back and sometimes i feel guilty duoing with him

but he's never said i'm bad or anything

he's nice to me lolll

[loud light]

Personally I can’t take anything that isn’t 1v1 seriously

It’s not even like a meta thing

I just mentally can’t

[drowsy arch]

I don't really like 1v1

[loud light]

I just naturally only consider 1v1s competitive in fighting games

[fluid trail]

1v1 is a raw test of mechanical skill, 2v2s is more a coordination exercise

[loud light]

The thing is most the time I hate relying on someone else

To do well as well

[fluid trail]

i come from hero shooters so im used to it

[drowsy arch]

I enjoy reading my teammate

and see how he's doing and adjusting my gamestyle

[loud light]

I only truly enjoyed 2v2s with this one Morty, we lowkey cook so well

Like we have team synergy type movement

Best Finn Morty duo back in season one trust

[fluid trail]

one good projectile character paired with a brawler and an armor breaker perk loadout prepped to deal with ww is a fun way to play twos

[drowsy arch]

anyone else enjoy 2s?

or do u guys all 1v1

[loud light]

1v1 only type of guy

[drowsy arch]

interesting

i'm struggling in 1's at silver

[loud light]

Always just seen 2v2s as hitbox spam even back in beta

I get the game revolves around 2v2s but holy big hitbox spam works so insanely well

[novel copper]

Okay, tried the ignite perk and got some solid results against Finn

[drowsy arch]

i do 1v1s to just train on my fundamentals for 2's xD

[loud light]

Ok I think for Finn counterplay, don’t dodge when he’s charging jab, we usually look for dodge reads. Either maybe stall then dash attack or just jump over and down air if anything

I legit hope it helps I dunno if it does tho

[novel copper]

Ohoho, @loud light, managed to 3-stock a Jack by doing the Side B punish I told you about

I clipped it, will post later

[loud light]

Ooh nice

[drowsy arch]

damn i wanna see

xD

[novel copper]

Didn't dodge much at all, I kept my distance with down tilts to lure him in for jab/projectile play

It worked, to my surprise

[loud light]

Yeah I fell for the Garnet down tilt thing a ton

Don’t have basically any matchup experience against her so I have no clue it reaches so far

[novel copper]

Only if you charge it, which is risky

but if the opponent is camping you out (like Morty) it helps

[frozen iris]

I am so bad at the Garnet mirror is funny. It's about 50/50, but either I scrape together win, or I get destroyed.

[loud light]

I had zero idea what to do against Garnet so I’ve lost against every Garnet I’ve found in ranked

Which is 2

[novel copper]

I wouldn't mind sparring with you some time so you can get some experience

[fluid trail]

ignite + marker perk is great for the garnet finn matchup in ones

i'd argue it would bring the matchup down to 50/50 because marker perk steals stage control so easily from finn players

[loud light]

Oh cool, sure. I’d be happy to tomorrow sometime

If I’m still awake maybe even in like an hour or two

[tiny comet]

Use the force luke

Use the force….

[novel copper]

Holy crap, the ignite perk definitely helps against Jacks who try to space me out

[fleet birch]

I just got home from a trip did they change anything major in the last 4 days?

[novel copper]

Not really, Season 2 just dropped so there aren't any upcoming patches yet

[fleet birch]

ah

[novel copper]

WOW

first Velma in Ranked

okay

👀

let's see how this goes

[drowsy arch]

u see her?

xD

[novel copper]

You guys were right, Garnet is pretty plus against Velma

Oh, God, an Arya

[loud light]

Good luck 😔

[drowsy arch]

wtf..... havn'et played an IG in forever and now there are two

[novel copper]

Fumbled it 😔

It was close though

I'm getting better at fighting her at least

[tiny comet]

Gg wp

Shake her hand

[loud light]

Alr I’m ready to play now if you still want to

[novel copper]

Wow, really

back-to-back Aryas

[loud light]

?

[novel copper]

what is going on

[loud light]

Oof

Just ping me when you want to 1v1, username’s Redspeed561

[novel copper]

@loud light alright, let's do it

[loud light]

Alr

[novel copper]

just got knocked back down to 0 pts fighting 3 Aryas in a row, I need to destress

😔

[loud light]

Oof

[novel copper]

crazy that we lose twice as many points as we gain, makes no sense

[loud light]

Dw I’ll probably lose I dunno what tf to do against Garnet 🤷‍♂️

I’m in now, whenever you’re ready

Ggs

Holy I’m cooked 😭

[novel copper]

You're doing pretty good

you know to stay clear of the down tilt

uh oh

[loud light]

Tf

[novel copper]

yeah that was weird

[loud light]

DAWG

[novel copper]

not again

😭

[loud light]

Holy

The servers are cooked 😔

[novel copper]

I saw you dodge out instead of in, smart move

[loud light]

Yeah I’m trying to be more careful about DI

Really struggle when I don’t

[drowsy arch]

I'm back down to 0 too lolll

i was at 60 earlier

in plat 5

😦

[loud light]

Ggs

[novel copper]

You noticed that I was trying to draw you into the power zone

[loud light]

Yeah

[drowsy arch]

back to gold

damn i suck

[loud light]

Oof

Can’t even make it to gold 1 rn

Oof

Ggs

[novel copper]

Watch out for when I put the Star mark at ledge

I can just yeet you off at high enough percent

[loud light]

I was not expecting it to go left like

Lol*

[novel copper]

Yep

one of my signature kill moves

[loud light]

Nice

[novel copper]

whew

that was good movement

[loud light]

Holy luck

Thanks lol

[novel copper]

kept dodging the opposite way so my reads kept failing

[loud light]

I legit have no clue where that came from

[novel copper]

You also side special a lot more than most Finns, that's gonna take getting used to

[loud light]

Ggs

[novel copper]

I forgot about the door

[loud light]

That door jumpscared me

[novel copper]

😭

[loud light]

Ggs

[novel copper]

You have a pretty unorthodox approach

I dig it

[loud light]

Yeah trying to break out of just charging

[novel copper]

I also only JUST realized that Finn's side special actually locks onto projectiles

😂

[loud light]

Yeah

That’s why I keep doing it lol

[novel copper]

That explains everything

Now to figure out how to use it to my advantage

[loud light]

Ggs

[novel copper]

Oho

[loud light]

Idk what that movement at that one part was lol

[novel copper]

think I figured that move out

[loud light]

Basically it locks on and deleted projectiles

But if you space it it’s super punishable

[novel copper]

Yep, just gotta step out the way

Man

it all makes sense now

[loud light]

Unfortunately the lock on forces you to go that way

So if they space it it’s a guaranteed hit

[drowsy arch]

yay got back into plat for 2nd time lmfao

[loud light]

HOLY

GOOD SETUP

[novel copper]

Yep, took your focus away

that high-five fist bump kill was gnarly though

[loud light]

Power zone jumpscare

[loud light]

lol

Dang

[novel copper]

This friggin' stage, lmao

[loud light]

The DI is insane lol

[novel copper]

why did I pick it

[loud light]

Idk how I’m alive at 142 with Finn against garnet

[novel copper]

also good job avoiding the Star yeet

[loud light]

Holy cooked

[novel copper]

That high five dodge bait is solid

I gotta remember not to dodge

[loud light]

Yeah it always gets people lol

Cause nobody uses normal high five these days

I’m done for

[novel copper]

k so putting the Star down there doesn't work like I thought it would

[loud light]

Is this at least good Finn experience for you?

Cause I’m getting molly whopped

[novel copper]

Yes and no, Finns don't fight the way you do 😭

[loud light]

HOLY

[novel copper]

OW

excellent

[loud light]

Thanks

Dawg I literally never play like this, you’ve made me adjust so much

Best matchup experience on any character I’ve ever gotten man

[novel copper]

Glad to help!

DANG

[loud light]

I think I’m finally adapting

[novel copper]

You totally are

[loud light]

Holy this is so much fun for me

Nice

[novel copper]

I can't believe you got me with the high five reflect TWICE

😭

[loud light]

lol

[drowsy arch]

ok a steven spammed the surf shield thing vs me and i couldn't deal with it lol

in 1v1

[loud light]

Oof

[novel copper]

RAAAAAAAAAAAA

lol

[loud light]

Nice dude

[novel copper]

I tried getting a little more aggro

[loud light]

Yeah it worked crazy well

[novel copper]

like FrossTea does

[loud light]

Threw me off guard

[novel copper]

right in the face

[loud light]

Ggs

Gotta change my approach more

[novel copper]

That was solid edgeguarding

[loud light]

Learning that Finn backpack stomp isn’t useless lol

[drowsy arch]

are u guys streaming by any chance?

[loud light]

Ggs

[novel copper]

Hmm

[loud light]

I dunno if I can

[novel copper]

was that a new tech

[loud light]

I’m using discord from my phone

[loud light]

?

[novel copper]

shoot, I forgot what I did

it was something into the Star yeet

ughhhh

[loud light]

I don’t remember

[novel copper]

curse our short-term memory loss

😭

[loud light]

I can clip and see if I can contain that part in the clip or not

I’ll check afterwards, I wanna 1v1 others after this too

[novel copper]

whoa

[loud light]

Noo

[novel copper]

what happened

[loud light]

Random lag spike

[novel copper]

awwwww

[loud light]

Fern started tweaking

Couldn’t clip it in time 😔

[novel copper]

oof

[drowsy arch]

yay got gold in 1v1 xD

[loud light]

Oof

[loud light]

Nice

[novel copper]

Whooo

Wall combos go brrrrr

[loud light]

Alr ima play like 3 more

[novel copper]

Gotcha

[loud light]

I still have to 1v1 another person I think

Rip

[novel copper]

Our matches are getting closer and closer, lol

[loud light]

Yeah

We’re both adapting lmao

Alr this gonna be my last one

[novel copper]

You got it

[loud light]

Oof

Ggs

[novel copper]

Whew

Good games

[loud light]

Nice playing with you man

[novel copper]

that was really fun

[loud light]

Agreed

[novel copper]

🤝

[loud light]

👍

[novel copper]

Alright, now to get knocked out of Diamond IV again

😭

And there it is

I love Taz spammers so much

🙄

[crisp bronze]

ok
i finaly hit the momentt when im getting 8 elo
and losing 10

idk if i can win consistant enough to regain top 1

[loud light]

Good luck on the grind, green fn 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥

[crisp bronze]

i seen your comvo guys
i can spar you too if you want

[loud light]

Maybe another time

I’m burnt out

Tried to play ranked, lost to a Shaggy, beat a Black Adam, and I was already about to tweak 😭

Kamen sorry I couldn’t get the joker gizmo clip rn, waiting for Flacoco to come back online

Probably won’t be til tomorrow

[novel copper]

I lost the Jack clip somehow

😭

wtf

[loud light]

Rip

[crisp bronze]

cringe

jk

[novel copper]

SERIOUSLY

WHY DO I ONLY GET 5 POINTS

LOOK WHAT I'M FIGHTING

😠

this rating system is ridiculous

[crisp bronze]

you probably playing vs lower rank players

[novel copper]

I'm not

I just beat a Diamond and only got 4

[tiny comet]

F

[novel copper]

It really doesn't make any sense

Against an unranked player I got 12??

[crisp bronze]

??????????????

[novel copper]

I'm telling you

this crap system makes no sense

[crisp bronze]

its [rpbab;y mmr based i think

[tiny comet]

Kamen getting robbed 😂

[novel copper]

And that time I got 9 on a Gold rank

🤦‍♀️

this is absurd

6 against a Platinum

🤷‍♀️

I might give up unless this gets changed

[crisp bronze]

aren't patch today?

[novel copper]

I doubt it, maybe tomorrow

Weeklies update on Tuesdays

[novel copper]

Another Velma

with 9k wins

😳

Holy crap

I couldn't catch her at all

[loud light]

Oof

I’m completely burnt out, I’m not touching this game for a while

My legs are literally cramping 😭

[novel copper]

Your... legs?

[loud light]

Yes

My actual legs are cramping

From stress

[novel copper]

Yeah, you should take a break

I'm going to too

[loud light]

Yeah I’m taking at least a day off

Maybe 2

[fleet birch]

god im so sick of samurai jack

hes fun

but like

not when i got 10 in a row

[novel copper]

Okay, finally made it back to Diamond IV

NOW I'm taking a break from Ranked

😭

[lavish berry]

yeah i hit diamond yesterday, then immediately went up against a spammy morty in low gold who absolutely destroyed me, 3 jacks in a row, then a joker and it took me back to plat, then i won a few again and fought like 2 aryas and lost it

[novel copper]

Yep... sounds like the Garnet Ranked experience

[fluid trail]

i was high diamond before going against 3 gizmos camping with popcorn in a row

refused to approach unless i pulled out projectile shield to stop their spam but since the endlag on it is so bad they got free punishes

[crisp bronze]

tbh best way to win vs gizom is to bait his arrow and block it with nsig

and then attack when his arrow is not loaded

baiting umbera is good thing to

bcs its broken move but have long end lag

[fluid trail]

no, when i say this gizmo refused to go in and only camped the entire game i mean it

he spammed popcorn and the sing to make approaching impossible

popcorn has a hitbox on startup so i couldnt approach then

[crisp bronze]

just destroy the popcorn with up special or gauntlet

[fluid trail]

its spammable, plus it launched the music note projectiles all over the screen that made approaching even worse

you dont seem to realize gizmo is actually like

one of the best characters in the game because hes so good at camping

he sets up walls with popcorn and forces you to approach with arrow

[crisp bronze]

you treating me like i didnt play vs gizmo xd

im in master bro
i think i know what im talking about

just pressure him to not let him set up with popcorn and notes

you have tools to do this

[fluid trail]

have you fought a gizmo that does literally nothing but camp and setup walls on a small stage? look I know you think you know what you're talking about but you just dont

garnet does not have the tools to deal with a camping gizmo

[crisp bronze]

gizmo is not even that bad match up for garnet
he have slight advantage
thats all

thats not arya

thats not a harley

[fluid trail]

garnet doesnt have a bad matchup with harley because harley players actually have to approach to win

that message is all i need to know about who youve been playing against in ranked

[crisp bronze]

xD

lets play then
i want to see how "good" you are

[fluid trail]

harley matchup is slightly negative, gizmo is unwinnable

[crisp bronze]

harley have just better frame data than garnet
and if she know what she doing she is almost as untouchable as arya

[fluid trail]

arya is just broken period

because of down tilt alone

but harley is a game of bait and punish

[crisp bronze]

finaly we agree on something

xd

ye try to punish when she can insta tripple kick after box projectile

[fluid trail]

harley isnt that bad of a MU because of her stubby range and lack of options to deal with projectiles

[crisp bronze]

im not saying harley is op
she is not

i feel like she is just very bad match up

i have much easier time vs gizmo tbh

[fluid trail]

use gauntlets to destroy the box, rocket gauntlets fly straight through and destroy all of her projectiles including box and bomb

[crisp bronze]

only if rocket traveled some time

its clash of an projectiles

if you just used it

[drowsy arch]

I think her down tilt should cost 1 full bar of meter

[crisp bronze]

and she did it too

[fluid trail]

you dont know what youre talking about

[drowsy arch]

or the range on down tilt should be nerfed slightly

but i think 1 full bar of meter would be better.... I think the devs should look into strong moves costing more bar

[crisp bronze]

you don't know what you talking about

[fluid trail]

the move is ridiculous and should never have been added with invincibility in the first place

[drowsy arch]

cuz then it doesn't feel bad for hte players who are used to the mechanics of the move

[fluid trail]

it should have invincibility and dodge cost removed

[crisp bronze]

like i said
come on game
ditto is ditto
but i will see at least how you play

[fluid trail]

what region are you

[crisp bronze]

eu

[fluid trail]

makes sense eu gets easy lobbies

[crisp bronze]

Eu GeTs EaSy LoBbIeS

hop on game

cmon

its not that hard

[fluid trail]

nah

😁

i have clips in #clips if youd like to watch those though 😁

[crisp bronze]

ye
know how to talk
but can't proof in battle

like clips matters

kylo sending milion clips

and i still 5-0 him

xd

[fluid trail]

😁

[crisp bronze]

and im not saying he is bad
bcs he is very good

but clips just doesn't matter sht
bcs its your highlights

[fluid trail]

i get those clips nearly every game because im just good at the game

63% win rate in ranked

losses are usually to gizmo or arya players

[crisp bronze]

im 62% rn

[fluid trail]

eu

[crisp bronze]

then prove how much better NA is than eu

and destroy me

if you know how to bark

xd

[fluid trail]

nah 😁

[crisp bronze]

ye
don't try to downplay me then

[fluid trail]

got better things to do like lay in bed and watch youtube anyway goodbyeee

[crisp bronze]

and at least reach higher elo than me

if you want to talk sht

[lavish berry]

bruh i sit consistently at like 58-59% win rate and im stuck in diamond lmao

i say that but i only hit diamond yesterday i just dont wanna grind

[fluid trail]

Garnet matchups:

Losing matchups (30-70):

• Arya
• WW
• Gizmo
• T&J
• Steven
• Joker
• Morty
• Taz

Slightly losing matchups (40/60):

• Harley
• Finn
• Batman
• Shaggy
• Reindog
• Smith
• Bugs
• Rick

Even matchups:

• Black Adam
• LeBron
• Marvin
• Stripe
• Superman
• Samurai Jack

Slightly winning matchups (60-40):

• Jake
• Banana Guard

Winning matchups (70/30):

• Jason
• Velma

taken from the garnet character discord

Thoughts?

[drowsy arch]

wow I'm really bad with the mirror

i'm not high enough ranking to have an opinion

[fluid trail]

any input is good

[drowsy arch]

I think joker is slightly losing 4-6.... am I crazy for thinking WW is even? I think velma is even if not losing....

my opinion of velma is diff tho cuz my friend who mains velma is top of leader board lol...... and i can't touch him

i know pros play joker diff than the ones i encounter tho

[fluid trail]

joker is hard losing because he has one combo off of jab that both does insane damage and kills, so if he hits it twice you just die

[drowsy arch]

well jokers at my lvl don't do that

[fluid trail]

WW has armor

[drowsy arch]

i think we have ways to deal with armor

up special to break, neutral special and down special

[fluid trail]

any ww actually using armor will destroy you, garnets armor breaker doesnt last long enough to properly deal with ww armor

[drowsy arch]

but up special to poke the armor

all u need is that 1 damage and it's perfect imo

[fluid trail]

good ww players will avoid it

[drowsy arch]

well then

here we go

i'm too noob tohave an opinon

so i'll shut up

[crisp bronze]

you know you can refreash armor break just by taping the n special?

after you have 2 stacks

right?

[fluid trail]

6 seconds of armor breaker lol

[crisp bronze]

and you have another 6 sec

when you just tap

on 2 stacks

not hold

just tap

[fluid trail]

i dont think that means much, its still only 6 sec and it still has a 3 sec startup to get it in the first place

garnet doesnt have the same mobility as shaggy so she cant charge it very easily

ww usually mashes down b out of disadvantage and if youre not already on the other end of the stage at that point it just doesnt matter

[crisp bronze]

you know that garnet have probably better mobility than shaggy right?

problem is that she drops slowly when she casting it

[fluid trail]

she doesnt have up special to get height and she doesnt have great recovery options so going off stage is too dangerous to justify

at least not against ww

winning against a ww is just a camping minigame

[crisp bronze]

i mean
im just going ham against ww

and im using star to command grab her out of armor

[fluid trail]

star is the only good counter to armor

but a good ww will watch for star and use armor while its on cooldown

[lavish berry]

I find most matches against WW we combo each other to death pretty evenly, especially since the latest patch, but i legit just dont engage when she has armor. i am RUNNING if they're a good WW

[crisp bronze]

and after her 1 stock im just charge 2 stacks and whitstanding it as long as possible

[fluid trail]

garnets combo strings often last 4 sec or longer so i cant see that being easy to justify

[crisp bronze]

ye
4 sec
and you tap it

for another 6 after that

[signal dirge]

Garnet having better movement than shaggy? Define better. For spacing yet. Travel. No way. Unless you count star

I'd replace shoulder bash with shaggy rage side b any day and I love spamming that

Imagine jab into upspecial into shaggy rage kick. Or jab down rage kick

[lavish berry]

tbh id argue garnet has better movement too. she is slower, but she has more movement options

Shoulder bash has much less end lag than shaggy kick, and you can use it to get back to stage more consistently,

[crisp bronze]

^

idk why people trying to argue she doesnt have recovery options

[signal dirge]

It's much more versatile

Who what

Who says that

[crisp bronze]

when shoulder tilted down traveling almost half of the stage

[signal dirge]

She has like 3 and aerials that float her

[crisp bronze]

.

literaly today

Mr. USA

[signal dirge]

If you can't recover with 2 shoulder bashes or up specials 2 dodges. Ability to float w rythym uair or Nair and a down special that Flys you wherever you want

Then I can't help you

[crisp bronze]

^

bro said something based

no way

rare zel W

[signal dirge]

Also placing star on recovery floats you fir a bit and lines up for the stage bounce cheese kill

[fluid trail]

all of her recovery options are super linear and predictable

anyone that knows the matchup can easily punish any option you decide to recover with

[signal dirge]

Your up air beats most things that aren't swords on ledge and your dair kills early

And your heavy. They'd hafta win your option lile 5 timez

[fluid trail]

once at the wall its easy to get back up but the struggle is getting there most of the time