garnet have few things that going well for her
as i said
#Garnet
crisp bronze
rancid cedar
Ur really good with garnet
rancid cedar
that first stock was fairness of arya in nutshell
Yea first time I could pull it off
Your always di ing really good
rancid cedar
I’m getting folded rlly hard
tiny comet
😂
rancid cedar
💀
tiny comet
Removed*
crisp bronze
brb
rancid cedar
Alr
rancid cedar
C/D tier
Garnet main propaganda💀
Theres only one D tier character and it ain’t garnet
She’s atleast low B
rancid cedar
Idk I’m just playing random characters
crisp bronze
im not even that good
crisp bronze
Where does Velma rank
G in garnet stands for G tier
tiny comet
Who keep hittin the lag switch button 😭
rancid cargo
I’m getting dogged like crazy
Fross garnet doesnt play around💀
I kinda figured it out but their garnet is super aggressive
tiny comet
fleet birch
<:jerry_fist:1007095140034281602>
tiny comet
🙂↔️
jolly flax
Why is her hotbox so big is what I’m wondering because I was fighting a joker and he did a combo I could not DI or dodge because my hitbox was in his range
fleet birch
Why is her hotbox so big is what I’m wondering because I was fighting a joker an...
I’m having the same problem it’s a learning curve
Also joker op
wheat dirge
***SHE THICC*** <@493956221473259521>
HELL YEAH SHE THICC LOL
signal dirge
G in garnet stands for G tier
Garnet below f tier. Let's go
I knew you'd come around
Bros using his skill to convince people against logic
tiny comet
Garnet at the bottom of everyone tier list
But its obvious because theyve never played her or want to learn how to play her
Imo ofc
signal dirge
Putting her next to like Harley or batman is crazy to me
Especially because the rest of the cast will only improve besides lile banana guard
C is the highest you could give and not be trolling
Honestly skittles saying garnet punch best move is probably less of a troll than saying she's mid B
The only difference is we know we are trolling
And
Even if the pros did decide to learn her. They'd probably raise her like 4-6 spots best. The same arguement could be made with Velma
In every fighting game ever there's been se savants with characters. These are outliers and should be discarded.
crisp bronze
Putting her next to like Harley or batman is crazy to me
im not
batman is high a tier
signal dirge
Then who are you saying is a simular strength. Do you just not have a d tier?
Ig and morty are my s. Finn and Arya are my high A.
crisp bronze
Then who are you saying is a simular strength. Do you just not have a d tier?
d tier is for jake,jason,bannana and velma
thes characters are objectivly almost useless
jason barely in it tho
signal dirge
I'd say stripe and garnet are like. Right after that
You can put them in either order if you care about consistency or not
crisp bronze
I'd say stripe and garnet are like. Right after that
stripe is objectivly worst
signal dirge
He has explosive kill power better cheese and can escape combos better. A tas stripe beats a tas garnet
But sure. We can say that. But we draw the line at shaggy whose just better
Especially w his perks
His weaker form is still about as strong as garnet then he gets to be a bigger threat when he has charge
crisp bronze
But sure. We can say that. But we draw the line at shaggy whose just better
shaggy have literaly 2 good moves rn
other have 2 hour end lag
he is c tier rn
signal dirge
Compared to garnets 7 hour endlag on any move you fully throw out
hollow birch
I ageee with Fross (i'm not a biased shaggy main 👀)
upbeat fable
he is c tier rn
You're insane
signal dirge
Shaggys high c but like. Still better than garnet by far
upbeat fable
Shaggy's high a
crisp bronze
Shaggy's high a
he have only jab
nothing else
upbeat fable
He doesn't need anything else
Besides he still can come in with nair and destroy you off of a dodge read
crisp bronze
Besides he still can come in with nair and destroy you off of a dodge read
not like i cant
upbeat fable
Yea but Shaggy just does it better
crisp bronze
he get nerfs 3 patches in a row
i didnt get beat by any shaggy from last patch
he seems like he have opening to punish after every move
if you not let him use his jab all the time
he gloryfied banana
upbeat fable
I disagree, but I don't think the discussion is worth
crisp bronze
yep
upbeat fable
Simply cause you won't make me change my mind and I can't make you change your mind
crisp bronze
Simply cause you won't make me change my mind and I can't make you change your m...
i changed my tierlist from last time tho
i played a lot somehow
this weak
upbeat fable
Well show it in dms
signal dirge
LeBron is super low and Taz and Marvin is a stretch imo
signal dirge
He's not great but he's better than superman
crisp bronze
and sandwitch
signal dirge
Superman doesn't hit you unless you let him
What does he have yoy can't see coming from a mile?
Def a 2s character
Just don't be super greedy and you hit him for free
Don't land directly atop him or get hit by the snipe punch and your good.
And snipe punch is the easiest move to parry in the game besides batman grapple
crisp bronze
i will let you play with my "rival" who actualy know how to use superman. i want to see it
signal dirge
As i said. Every character has good players
Ranking each by their top player would be inaccurate.
Nonetheless. Even if he beats me or you. We aren't even like top 100 of all players probably
crisp bronze
he probably is
in eu
signal dirge
Then. He's winning because he's better
crisp bronze
signal dirge
I beat people worse than me on garnet all the time
upbeat fable
Ranking each by their top player would be inaccurate.
Technically this is what should happen
Or top players
Because that's the full potential of the character
signal dirge
We don't rank off of tas for a reason
signal dirge
Consistency is a factor.
upbeat fable
Anyone with enough time and effort can be consistent
signal dirge
If only one person gets garnet into the top 10 but everyone else is in the top 100 this doesn't make garnet top 10
upbeat fable
Ranking doesn't equal tier placement
Just because Nossage won a tourney with Reindog doesn't mean Reindog is top tier
signal dirge
Exactly
upbeat fable
But if a character is known to have a lot of tools to win in a lot of situations, and the top players of said character show that, then they can be considered high tier
Look at Smash Bros Melee
signal dirge
Which hasn't happened with garnet.
upbeat fable
They moved up both Yoshi and DK to like high tier or high mid tier after being low tiers for ages, because people (One person with Yoshi, multiple with DK) were winning tourneys
signal dirge
Fross just accells at 5050s in rushdown
That doesn't make garnet stronger
Just makes him better
upbeat fable
There's a lot of tools that people haven't fully figured out playing or playing against cause Garnet is so rarely seen
signal dirge
Super man has like a billion players. A few good ones doesn't make him better
crisp bronze
the thing with garnet is that i saw 4 people who actualy used garnet tools
thats probably entire garnet population who innovating things
4
people
me
skittles
hog
and kylo
crisp bronze
ye
like most
but you jason player
crisp bronze
like
im more and more convinced that her neutral game can be disgusting
she have so much counter approuch
that can be comboed into everything
signal dirge
I agree. They are best when snuffing approacg
Up special is particularly good at that
But then you can't use it for combo
Honestly. What about giving her two up specials
Would that make her strength more obvious?
crisp bronze
she can excel at a lot of things
but i mentioned the problem
they are like 4-5 people who trying to play her instead of whining
kylo reaching top 8 with garnet in one tournament
signal dirge
Exactly. There are 4 good players. Plus. I'm not whining. I just think it's not realistic. I love garnet
crisp bronze
Honestly. What about giving her two up specials
it would make jab nspec jab nspec jab clap true vs big characters
signal dirge
I'd enjoy that
If that happened I'd agree and say they are b tier
Able to both stop and heavy punish approaches
crisp bronze
Exactly. There are 4 good players. Plus. I'm not whining. I just think it's n...
you are whining all the time
how she worst than any character
instead of trying new things
signal dirge
(Even if I was top 1 in ladder I'd say garnet bottom 1)
crisp bronze
delusional .....
signal dirge
This does not come from a place of sorrow my friend
crisp bronze
thats some mental problems
i swear
signal dirge
But realistically I just see every character as under developed rn. Anything you say for garnet not being innovated enough is True for like 66% of the cast
crisp bronze
anyway
she will probably get few buffs
and top tiers will get nerfs
meta flow is natural thing
crisp bronze
But realistically I just see every character as under developed rn. Anything you...
you have developer who have 100 people in the team
and indi studio who have 4 people
who will develope game faster?
signal dirge
So when you say I think they are b tier in strength but they just haven't been discovered yet
I think. Yeah that's. Most the cast
crisp bronze
im just talking she have traits that makes her b tier
she have reliable combos
she have good movement tools
she have 2 projectiles so she is not a jason or banana
signal dirge
The Gauntlets are slept on
They win neutral and everyone's like. Nah they suck just ditch them for marker or shoulder bash
crisp bronze
im using gaunt to approche
its so hard to dodge both elbow and gaunt at the same time
btw
wanna play?
signal dirge
I'm at work but I'd love to learn more garnet another time. When I'm not biased I'd say garnet c tier. Also I have more people than 3 in my c tier.
tiny comet
Damn i leave for like 2 seconds
signal dirge
Swap Tom and super and put super man in top c tier and it's more aggreabke imo
tiny comet
Having full on conversations
signal dirge
Shaggys still low but I play 2s
tiny comet
Shaggys fighting for lives tbh
Just need a little awareness to avoid shaggy kick
Shaggys best move is his up attack
tiny comet
Just like jokers
crisp bronze
Shaggys best move is his up attack
jab
jab with rage jab is kinda strong
or up light
idk
that move that combo with jab
tiny comet
Fross just
Shaggys are degenerates fr
They’ll side b or dair on purpose knowing they’ll eat the dirt
signal dirge
Shaggys are looked down on because they aren't very smart
tiny comet
🗿
signal dirge
Dash attack also slept on
I will also agree garnets def not bottom 1
Every tier list is like. She has jab and clap that's it
Not even mentioning shoulder bash Nair or dash attack
I'd put her right below Taz imo. And some people below her are just better in 2s
Like the charge characters
What do you think skittles
tiny comet
Garnet is D tier when you first start picking her up for the first time, she doesn’t have the flashiest of moves like other characters or anything over tuned or priority.
Without speed force assist she feels slow as a tank but she’s not shes a brawler, but if you use last stand she can be like a tank, i prefer mobility but stalling your death at high hps has values after getting a kill.
Once you understand how the Garnet works she’s like low B tier if were being honest but they’re some who have skill gap to make garnet A but it requires alot of work that other characters dont have to do at all. Hence the point of her being mid/low tier character. Alot of her risk vs reward is very unfavorable certain situations.
She over taz, jason,Jake,Finn,rick, bg,lebron,velma, and harley but only when you use all of garnets tools.
A fresh starting garnet for the first time will get 💩 on every time, because she requires learning of fundamentals more than gimmicks and priorities
tiny comet
<:jerry_fist:1007095140034281602>
People will spam nair like its the beta and get uppercutted like 6 times in a row and continue to do it
signal dirge
I cannot believe you can look me in the face and say a good garnet is finn/Arya strength
tiny comet
Finns not good imo
crisp bronze
finn is good
he A tier
tiny comet
Naaaaa
signal dirge
I dont think you were the right person to ask about this
tiny comet
Not the finns i be seein
Finn and harley 💩
Down attack or projectile any charged down attack
signal dirge
Harley I exaggerate because it's a rough matchup for garnet but finn. No he's just good
tiny comet
Dodge down if they get you in the air and do up air attack
signal dirge
Even if you dodge the combo ender it still did alot of damage and ur now in disadvantage
tiny comet
No finns fast fall with their air moves
signal dirge
Once Finns realize that they can to punish di dodge out of the finisher
tiny comet
They go ➡️ or ↗️
signal dirge
Cooked
signal dirge
Garnet being a 2s character is a based take btw
tiny comet
Im never afraid of finn 1v1
signal dirge
I wonder if seperate garnet playstyles are affecting views alot. Fross is def the best at the garnet ditto
WHY DOES CLAP DO THAT
GOD I HATE IT
tiny comet
Finn more of 1s character to be fair
signal dirge
He is balanced around you interrupting him in air
tiny comet
Which is why i dont be seeing arya and finn in 2s often
signal dirge
I see Arya not finn
tiny comet
Had a finn and superman last night was aids but pulled through 5-3
They just jumped whomever on the edge of the map
Dodges down air upspecial they died
signal dirge
I should try to play a much more snuff out garnet
I wanna get super good at patient garnet
Fross has hyper aggression going.
I want wall out patience
tiny comet
Up air attack and projectiles best way snuff things out
And shoulder too
Me im more of a
signal dirge
Up special is one free snuff to combo
tiny comet
signal dirge
Also punch is still walling out imo
tiny comet
Up special is one free snuff to combo
It depends for air upspecial*
signal dirge
Sure you're brawling but your tanking that hit then keeping them in disadvantage
Unless your doing jab turn around punch and other crazy shenanigans
It's like a punish and a wall? Who knows
signal dirge
Actually. Neutral punch is already a counter on garnet
You get hit once. Predict the hit. And punish
signal dirge
Honestly. Place star as low as you can for the bounce and it kills bad di iron giant at like 0
You hafta risk it tho
tiny comet
Star = decoy
signal dirge
And you can follow with spike
Nah for iron giant in particular it's super good
Nair too
rancid cedar
mid/low b is her tier i think
🙏🙏 yes
signal dirge
Dude what's the point of that besides to punish people w lives
signal dirge
Yeah but I have a job bro
tiny comet
Fair
tiny comet
trail jewel
i think either pfg hates her or it's been so long since i actually played pvp but maaaaaaan i had a rly bad loss streak on her and it only broke after not playing her
ik my fundies but the fact i've only been able to make it when i get on stripe lately is sad
signal dirge
Hmmn garnet and stripe are simular
U shouldn't be getting more on one than the other
tiny comet
Ig keep crashing the game
trail jewel
i've been on garnet 99% of the session and the one game i win on isn't on her
must be a skill thing, idk
tiny comet
Skill issue gotta be, no disrespect
Unless you going again t&j everytime
Should never lose to jason as garnet
Or jake
hard gazelle
That neutral has such janky hit boxes
The fact I can win a match by punching someone behind me doesn't feel fair
crisp bronze
I mean
She does wind up from behind tho
hard gazelle
But like the guy can be standing noticably behind even the windup and it'll still connect
trail jewel
(There were no Jakes and maybe only a few Jasons. even then it was a 2v2 sesh so they often got paired with like... Jokers or whatever)
tiny comet
But like the guy can be standing noticably behind even the windup and it'll stil...
Super man does why not
tiny comet
Again mvs will announce season 2 at evo
tiny comet
Hopefully today
signal dirge
Ranked season 2
I'm still not removing wedding garnet
But I'm getting the master skim
grim bane
I wish the ranked skins weren't so bad
They get killed by the fact that they change his skin color
Why do they do that
The gis look so fire and then his skin just becomes a reflective purple or something and now it looks like the Fortnite galaxy skin
signal dirge
I think that looks sick idk what you mean
neat igloo
Btw you was right
garnet also has 90 plus combo hers starts at 85% and its a true combo into a kill confirm
rigid storm
i've been on garnet 99% of the session and the one game i win on isn't on her
feels like this sometimes bro
rancid cedar
garnet also has 90 plus combo hers starts at 85% and its a true combo into a kil...
I highly doubt that
Unless it’s diable
Try doing the combo on dodge away after hitstun and dodge towards after hitstun too
dapper mist
Shout out to uggyfrosty, you make a good teammate
neat igloo
I highly doubt that
there should be no doubt when its coming from the source itself there is no di when you are above 85% ?? its all knockback and longer hitstun after that i figured you would know that (combo finder) the higher the percent the longer the hitstun the further the knockback its that simple thats why jab into shock trap is only true at 85% and above and thats why it kills with clap ending at 109 clap kills above at 95% unless its iron giant
its a combo we all do with garnet just most garnets dont know when to use it now you know 85 is a kill confirm percent with jab into shock trap into clap
rancid cedar
there should be no doubt when its coming from the source itself there is no di w...
Oh I misread
I thought you meant 0-90+
Yea 85% makes sense mb
But the clap is so good ngl, has a lot of knockback
neat igloo
i already posted her 0 to 90 already and it doesnt matter the di your locked in it
rancid cedar
i already posted her 0 to 90 already and it doesnt matter the di your locked in ...
🧢
neat igloo
i have the clips
rancid cedar
Post them
neat igloo
i did
rancid cedar
Where
rancid cedar
What’s ur Twitter
neat igloo
kyloxray
rancid cedar
- None of your post combos start at 0
- A lot of these look diable try with dodge away after hitstun
Because dodge after histun doesn’t di when in a combo
neat igloo
1.thats becuase her true combos dont start at 0 2. you cant di out in up or down ive already proven this on multiple pro streams they just die
it looks slow becuase i posted these from xbox thats why it looks diable there not i know the percents these combos work at and dont
rancid cedar
1.thats becuase her true combos dont start at 0 2. you cant di out in up or dow...
I want you to try the most recent garnet combo you posted with dodge away after hitstun
The one that starts at 35 damage, it shouldn’t be possible
rancid cedar
1.thats becuase her true combos dont start at 0 2. you cant di out in up or dow...
But why did you say 0 to 90
neat igloo
I want you to try the most recent garnet combo you posted with dodge away after ...
you cannot dodge these my man i dont know why you being a sceptic jimmiepitts the combo guide himself said its optimal
neat igloo
But why did you say 0 to 90
they are 0 to 90 becuase you can start them a 5 to 10 percent and bring them over 100 its a round up of an estimate
rancid cedar
you cannot dodge these my man i dont know why you being a sceptic jimmiepitts th...
Last part you can 100%
Side special into up air
neat igloo
Last part you can 100%
do you know who shirogane is
neat igloo
Y don’t u wanna hit the combo on dodge away💀
the only way that combo is dropping is if i hit a sour spot dodging away isnt gonna help
rancid cedar
they are 0 to 90 becuase you can start them a 5 to 10 percent and bring them ove...
0 to 90 specifically means starts at 0 and gets to 90 damage
rancid cedar
the only way that combo is dropping is if i hit a sour spot dodging away isnt go...
Then do it
U will see
neat igloo
0 to 90 specifically means starts at 0 and gets to 90 damage
let me put you in it and see how far dodging away get you
neat igloo
what perks are you running
rancid cedar
let me put you in it and see how far dodging away get you
So it on a training bot instead
rancid cedar
what perks are you running
Im not the one doing the combo bro 💀
neat igloo
thats why im asking
neat igloo
the combo that starts at 35
rancid cedar
Dodge away after hitstun
neat igloo
send the invite
rancid cedar
do you not understand what you just said
I said I’m not home cuh
Just do it on a training bot, is it that deep?
neat igloo
Just do it on a training bot, is it that deep?
hold on let me get the clip
rancid cedar
hold on let me get the clip
And after you hit it go on settings and show it’s on dodge away after hitstun
Lets see how long it takes 💀
neat igloo
Lets see how long it takes 💀
i dont have nothing to hide idk why you so sceptical either like i said a human doesnt just dodge like a bot
rancid cedar
Ok bro continue with the combo and I will stfu
rancid cedar
you about to look mad dumb
Ok where’s the clip
rancid cedar
Alright
rancid cedar
Bruh I’m waiting
neat igloo
its litterally uploading
rancid cedar
Ok
neat igloo
and i have stuff to do
neat igloo
its posted i even extended it for you too
neat igloo
thats what you asked for
you litteraly sair into upair is the only thing i can do is 100%
rancid cedar
you litteraly sair into upair is the only thing i can do is 100%
So I’m right?
neat igloo
Last part you can 100%
no
rancid cedar
Side special into up air
Here
rancid cedar
I want you to try the most recent garnet combo you posted with dodge away after ...
Here
Did I tell you to do a diff variation
The whole point was to say that combo was durable towards the end
And you changed the ending 💀
neat igloo
if im using a different dodge option why not use a diffrent variation
rancid cedar
if im using a different dodge option why not use a diffrent variation
So your saying the main combo is diable
Unless you change the ending?
Okay
Great
rancid cedar
That’s all I wanted to know. That’s why I said it was diable
neat igloo
lets be realistic nobody is gonna di like a bot
rancid cedar
lets be realistic nobody is gonna di like a bot
Lol
neat igloo
mans di out of the blast zone and i didnt even touch him
neat igloo
you want to try as a human
rancid cedar
End off discussion
rancid cedar
did you see him dodge tho
I saw him Di
neat igloo
after i fell i didnt even swing
neat igloo
you the one who wanted a clip
rancid cedar
POINT 1: the original combo is diable
rancid cedar
POINT 1: the original combo is diable
Answer: the original combo is diable
neat igloo
did he di it
rancid cedar
Goodbye
neat igloo
you think people are gonna be spamming di away after getting hit with something like that is crazy
people dont dodge like bots they dodge in realistic ways
rancid cedar
you think people are gonna be spamming di away after getting hit with something ...
People literally spam away and so do i
It’s the best Di option
neat igloo
tell that to the people ive killed
rancid cedar
People literally spam away and so do i
That why I refered it
neat igloo
my point is not everybody dodges correctly
lets leave it at that
and its true in burnout
rancid cedar
tell that to the people ive killed
In which combo?
Combo 1: is diable
Combo 2: whereas it only works on dodge away spam💀
rancid cedar
my point is not everybody dodges correctly
Ok then. It’s a good combo tho
rancid cedar
Alr
crisp bronze
yo
kylo
wanna play in like an hour?
neat igloo
Alr
actually you are 50% right i shouldnt have said it wasnt diable it slipped my mind for minute what i forgot to mention was there is a small gap and there is only 1 gap where it is diable and thats jump sair it only works on a percent of 20 to 30 so i will give you the grace it is not 100% but 90% true if sair hits gg
neat igloo
yo
kylo
wanna play in like an hour?
we can when i get home
ill be home sometime tomorrow send ill let you know
rancid cedar
actually you are 50% right i shouldnt have said it wasnt diable it slipped my mi...
Yea but it still does a lot damage tho
I didn’t even think and jump dodge sair to continue garnet combos
Sick find ngl
signal dirge
Sair 1 jab iad sair 1 jab was removed I thought
tiny comet
It bees
signal dirge
When you don't play for 2 days and you lose all skill
This game is gonna get so sweaty and die out instantly if the hyper comp scene takes over
Look at what the morties are cooking
idle hearth
no not really. Every other Platform fighter was fine when people started becoming better
thats why ranked is so important to have 😄
idle hearth
When you don't play for 2 days and you lose all skill
And thats normal not only in this game. That happens in every single hobby you try to learn. You gotta have Solid Fundamentals first
then this wont happen
signal dirge
Nah I just get rusty. Happened as a smash vet too
Doesn't happen in shooters tho for some reason
Also. Wrong?
The Sony nick and aether all suffered a huge decline when they started being taken seriously. Aether just got pulled up from it's modding community.
Smash games depends. Melee thrived competitively brawl didn't. Smash 4 players just play ultimate now.
Brawlhalla didn't at first untill they added rewards then people caught on
It's really a game by game basis.
If they want to make this game competitive and take that route then they need to go alot further on balancing and atleast making sure strong gimmicks are fun to play against unlike iron giant
You can't take a game competitively if the game itself doesn't take itself seriously
There's gonna be no esports league around fall guys
Multiversus feels like it can become any type of game. Rn it's a fun party game. With tweaks it can be taken seriously comp wise
Ranked is good for getting a start on this. But Arya morty and iron giant aren't fun to face.
And even lower characters like LeBron and jake are just super annoying
Honestly I enjoy the release more but beta felt way more esportsy comp than this one. Now they hafta really fine tune everything since it's much more follow able what's happening
I'm still very excited to get good at the game. But morty shouldn't have a touch of death
And the scramble between devz and players to just find everything strong and remove it will either work once one or two things are removed. Or just go on indefinitely
fleet birch
Look at what the morties are cooking
nerf him already
signal dirge
All the mortys are like. He's so weak he's so weak it's pathetic
It's not even in the funny ironic way
fleet birch
Hes S tier
signal dirge
Like. When I say lowtier God stuff I'm here flexing
Ykwhay
Redemption arc
Garnet top 1
I get it now
I understand
All of them will say their hightiers are weak. I'll join the garnets in saying our bottom tier is top 1
fleet birch
yea
fleet birch
<:jerry_fist:1007095140034281602>
dense pine
I finished the battle pass on the literal last day let's gooooo
tiny comet
15 damage as superman is crazy
crisp bronze
She is not
She is the most one demencional character in the game
She is very good in it
But she predictable as hell
fleet birch
She is very good in it
But she predictable as hell
I just need more practice against her
crisp bronze
Run torward her when she cast the box glove in the air
When she miss make back movement to bait tripple kick
And punish
Works like gold
idle hearth
Also. Wrong?
The Sony nick and aether all suffered a huge decline when they st...
The Nickelodeon fighting game was just ass. It tried to copy melee while having not enough content. Rivals of Aether being dead is new to me? Yes the community isnt that big but they are literally working on a sequal. The Competetive scene in Brawl was just a bit split because many players rather played Melee.... And yes ofc no one plays Smash 4 when Smash ultimate (the better version lol) exists
No Platform fighter died because people became to good at it
crisp bronze
Bro speaking facts
Also
Competerive scene in brawl holds good
Its probably even bigger than smash
idle hearth
Platform fighter Die because of bad Balancing, No new content and sometimes Devs just fck the game up fundamentally
For example when you look at the Multiversus Beta vs the game now
The Devs MUST HAVE not liked how the game was back then
now completely changed it
crisp bronze
Tbh problem with platform fighters...and also normal fighters is that its not the most popular genre
idle hearth
yeah
crisp bronze
And you will never have milions of players
signal dirge
The Nickelodeon fighting game was just ass. It tried to copy melee while having ...
It was dead for a period before modders added in their own characters
crisp bronze
Tbh versus could be big
Like very big
They had everything they needed to be big
But i didnt see devs being that incompetent as pfg in a while
signal dirge
I was super into that game
And. The same thing will happen. Why get good at mvs if you can play better comp options
crisp bronze
Bro
Meta exist in any game
And it evolving
Same for people getting good at the game
signal dirge
There's a diff between comp and hyper comp
idle hearth
I was super into that game
And. The same thing will happen. Why get good at m...
Thats something different. Not wanting to play a game competetively because there is no point and not wanting to play a game because it is to sweaty
But your right
there is no point of learning the game
other than "its fun"
thats why Ranked comes out
signal dirge
Some games can do it. Others can't. Mvs needs serious overhalls to be taken seriously
crisp bronze
Figthing game is literaly the sweatiest game genre that exist
There is not a single one where people trying to find slightly advantage more than in fighters
idle hearth
Thats why Tournaments will hopefully get bigger and i hope that a Local Scene starts to come out
signal dirge
Also comp and hyper comp scenes are different. Overwatch and ultimate have comp scenes. Counter strike and melee have hyper comp scenes
idle hearth
Some games can do it. Others can't. Mvs needs serious overhalls to be taken se...
honestly cant say much to that.. I personally dont right click with this game either
i once watched gameplay from one of the best Steven players
this was the most depressing pro play i have ever seen
thats why i havent played for over a month
idle hearth
Also comp and hyper comp scenes are different. Overwatch and ultimate have comp...
alright thats just stupid
idle hearth
that the hell is a hyper comp xD
signal dirge
When you move past improving your skills and start taking it lile a speedrunner. Learning angles to hit stuff over several buildings or flash lineups. Learning touch of deaths with 2 frame perfect executions
Rn it's barely a comp game.
idle hearth
BECAUSE THERE IS NO POINT OF PLAYING
signal dirge
EXACTLY
idle hearth
And Pro players are living on their own island
signal dirge
You think ranked mode is immediately gonna make that happen in a game this goofy?
idle hearth
You think ranked mode is immediately gonna make that happen in a game this goofy...
who knows
crisp bronze
It will just become even more sweaty
signal dirge
I highly doubt ranked will fix the core issues with the game
idle hearth
this game feels purely Online
idle hearth
I highly doubt ranked will fix the core issues with the game
what are the core issues?
idle hearth
And decent local
but do you see any Local scene in this game?
signal dirge
Mostly balance. How they expect you to gain characters. How bad the net code
idle hearth
I already said it once but in Germany this game is dead
crisp bronze
But i seen a LANs in germany was played quiet often
idle hearth
But i seen a LANs in germany was played quiet often
huh
crisp bronze
No no no
Brawl in germany is thriving
signal dirge
They can't do ranked. And also not allow you to gain characters unless you play 100rifts and have a local scene
idle hearth
thats cool as hell
signal dirge
It would be like custom attacks in smash 4
idle hearth
It would be like custom attacks in smash 4
thats pure hell for balancing
- to much work
idle hearth
And brawl had very good help from devs
To make lans fun
I wish nintendo was like them 
crisp bronze
Entire year price pool for every tourney played was 1,1 m USD
idle hearth
Mostly balance. How they expect you to gain characters. How bad the net code
I thought the Netcode was fine?
isnt it Rollback?
signal dirge
Yeah but now we get desyncs and way worse lag than smash
idle hearth
NAAAHHH
crisp bronze
Naaaah
idle hearth
DONT YOU DARE COMPARE THIS TO SMASH
crisp bronze
Bro didnt play with bad net code
idle hearth
SMASH NETCODE IS DOGWATER
signal dirge
Smash lag still less prevalent
signal dirge
Play like 10 matches on both
crisp bronze
Anyway
Brawlhalla have everything at top level
Expect stale gameplay
idle hearth
With PERFECT connection Smash Online would STILL BE TWICE as laggy as Offline
And Offline Smash is pretty Laggy when you compare it to other
signal dirge
And that's also the default for mvs
idle hearth
Do you play on PC or Console?
crisp bronze
Net code in versus is top tier
It have some small flaws
But its one of the thing that devs should be proud of
signal dirge
I've never had my characters teleport to death from a standstill in smash
idle hearth
on PC i never had issues.
idle hearth
I just disabled Crossplay because Console player lag more often xD
crisp bronze
^
idle hearth
And I have thousands of hours in ultimate
Well i have 4k+ hours
signal dirge
I think I have like 10k
idle hearth
DAMN
idle hearth
RIGHT???
(i won a couple)
And i still am one of the best Mewtwo players in the world even though i didnt compete this year LMAO
crisp bronze
I have like 1200 in brawl
Reached highest rank
And earned like 100 bucks
Problem with brawl at highest level is that people up there are toxic as hell
XD
Btw guys
idle hearth
Problem with brawl at highest level is that people up there are toxic as hell
i have a feeling that it is the same with multiversus
idle hearth
You signed up for Alpha in 2xko?
i think so?
tiny comet
👀
idle hearth
I only played smash and overwatch
i played smash then quit and now i play overwatch lol
tiny comet
crisp bronze
I mean
If you good
And can back it with your skill
Then you can be ego top
signal dirge
I mean I think I'll get masters and then stop
I don't wanna ruin it for myself again
idle hearth
understandable
im playing in a Team
but taking some healthy breaks from the game is really important
crisp bronze
I will probably try to reach top rank in 1s
I know i have skill to play against top people in eu
Like top 10
idle hearth
I will probably try to reach top rank in 1s
I know i have skill to play against...
I will Grind ranked too
well only when the Ranked mode is actually good
who knows it could suck ass
crisp bronze
I mean
signal dirge
Imagine if we all just suck and the good players aren't in discord
crisp bronze
If you win then every kind of rankeds are good
idle hearth
Imagine if we all just suck and the good players aren't in discord
The good players arent in this discord
idk where and how they grind the game
but they arent here
signal dirge
No I just mean they aren't social period
crisp bronze
Most good people from eu sits on eu discord
idle hearth
Most good people from eu sits on eu discord
personally i have only played against 2 top players
"top players"
crisp bronze
Who?
crisp bronze
Helseth?
idle hearth
yeahhhh
signal dirge
Garnet top 1 in ranked btw
crisp bronze
Bro is my pal
He is not toxic
He just like banter
signal dirge
She needs nerfs
crisp bronze
He 8-5 me last time we played
idle hearth
🤷♂️ maybe we just dont click
crisp bronze
But we are at similar level
idle hearth
but he really wasnt that nice to me. He got offended very easily with his Ego
crisp bronze
🤷♂️ maybe we just dont click
I mean
I love banter too
So mayby that's why i like him
signal dirge
Amd youre supposed to take it seriously when ig exists?
idle hearth
Amd youre supposed to take it seriously when ig exists?
Is he still broken af?
crisp bronze
but he really wasnt that nice to me. He got offended very easily with his Ego
Idk
Never had it with him
tiny comet
Some Superman Player who was pretty toxic
All superman players are like this
signal dirge
Yeaahh. When's the patch notes coming again?
tiny comet
Today
idle hearth
Idk
Never had it with him
Then i watched a Tournament match from him against a top steven
crisp bronze
Is he still broken af?
They had to remove his 3782847 infinities and buggs instead of balancing him
signal dirge
Yeah like time?
tiny comet
Patch show then maybe patch notes
idle hearth
honestly how the Steven played made me so sad. It was so boring and honestly it looked like guessing most of the time
thats why im taking a break till s2
Optimal Play just didnt seem Fun to play at all
crisp bronze
You played Steven
Its classic stage control character
idle hearth
i really dont wnnt to use the word "mashy" but holy
tiny comet
10 or 11 pacific time
crisp bronze
He will Play slow and passive
tiny comet
Idk
idle hearth
He will Play slow and passive
Yeah i know that
but how he played was so idk weird
it felt so random and mashy
crisp bronze
If it works it works
tiny comet
idle hearth
i looked at it and tried to break the gameplay down
tiny comet
Get back gem boy
idle hearth
but i simply couldnt get why he did some things
crisp bronze
In smash you had Steve that was making bunker and buffing
And then ladder death combo you
idle hearth
Yes but his Gameplay makes sense
how the steven played
didnt
in my head atleast
constantly jumping around, overly using Nair without getting punished
crisp bronze
My gameplay doesnt have any sense too on paper
But it works even vs very good players
idle hearth
My gameplay doesnt have any sense too on paper
But it works even vs very good pl...
Exactly
i still dont get how you play
signal dirge
Honestly i stopped playing comp smash when Steve and kazuyas started getting good
signal dirge
Now it's full time mvs
idle hearth
because normally you could just wait and punish it
in this game it feels like everything is so big and slow that you NEED to press something
and hope it hits
idle hearth
Honestly i stopped playing comp smash when Steve and kazuyas started getting goo...
Why? its not like it matters for 80% of the competetive player base
crisp bronze
I mean
Parry exist to prevent it
signal dirge
Yeah but then you just hit a wall and go welp I lose this set.
tiny comet
😂
idle hearth
I mean
Parry exist to prevent it
but they didnt parry anything in their set
and im saying it once again. THEY ARE "TOP PLAYERS"
signal dirge
Steve has been ban talked for a while now
idle hearth
Yeah but then you just hit a wall and go welp I lose this set.
???
signal dirge
If a games dumb I'm not playing it
crisp bronze
In league of legends people who were champions in season 1-3 would probably lose to golds playing soloQ
idle hearth
what character did you play?
signal dirge
Haha bad ones. Kirby and dedede. Every other character but those two and maybe luigi are manageable
idle hearth
If a games dumb I'm not playing it
but you literally wont experience it except when playing in high- top level
i literally almost never had to experience steve players
signal dirge
Yeah. Now I dominate casuals but lose against comp and so there's nothing fun.
I'm never sacrificing fun to get better again after that
crisp bronze
Idk
If i had switch and i played it i would probably played some mid tier forgotten character and destroy with it anyway
idle hearth
i had a couple Mid level players which were not a problem and then there were top players in germany playing steve that i never played against (top 5 players in germany)
idle hearth
Haha bad ones. Kirby and dedede. Every other character but those two and maybe ...
What is your username?
crisp bronze
I would probably play incineroar in smash xD
idle hearth
you use in Smash tournaments
idle hearth
I would probably play incineroar in smash xD
makes sense xD
signal dirge
I played mostly locals. I think I used mimic and played kirby
crisp bronze
I like to play a bit cheesy
And to use skill mixed with gimmics to win
idle hearth
I played mostly locals. I think I used mimic and played kirby
mimic is your username?
signal dirge
No just the name I used
idle hearth
what was your account name you used for Smashgg (or startgg whatevert you want to call it)
Locals use a Bracket
mostly on Startgg
crisp bronze
signal dirge
You'd find his name better
If you do decide to hunt me down that way. Tell him I said hi
He mostly plays lethal company these days
I don't tend to give my info out
I think I used my irl name signing up
idle hearth
yeah cant find you with his info. He never played against you in tournaments
signal dirge
Nope. Tho we have a ton of games together. He's just slightly better than me. Well now he's probably way better than me
When we played together we never won the locals lmao
idle hearth
how the hell did you play for 10k + hours xD i thought i played much with my 4k
signal dirge
Well I played mostly dedede. And he doesn't work well I comp so i used my secondary. Eventually you just get into a routine. I play however is fun. For me that's constantly fishing for Gordo into up b
idle hearth
Well I played mostly dedede. And he doesn't work well I comp so i used my secon...
honestly Tierlsit dont matter that much in Mid to high level play
having a secondary is often bad
signal dirge
If you say so. But one luigi and your dead on dedede.
idle hearth
especially when you play another low tier like kirby or mid tier like luigi
I dont even think that Luigi covers dededes MU´s well?
signal dirge
Luigi being mid tier is a joke
idle hearth
?
signal dirge
He has a touch of death that's easy to do
idle hearth
and?
signal dirge
He does it
idle hearth
disadvantage sucks, Neutral sucks, Advantage state is basically grab combos
Air mobility sucks
range sucks
no good projectiles
signal dirge
Down b can be intangible for like 60% of it if used right
signal dirge
I thing if you slide off a plat form it extends the invi
idle hearth
huh
signal dirge
Honestly I can't remember how. Beefy smash dudes showcased it once and so did pk beats
Anyways. Well see how I do in mvs. I'm workin rn
I'm a casual player mostly. I got good to earn a friend's praise and that friend ain't here anymore. I find no pleasure in winning besides to brag
Once again ima just throw a ton of hours at it and see where I land
idle hearth
Does anybody know at what time the Update with ranked drops?
signal dirge
That's tomorrow right?
idle hearth
yeah
signal dirge
Will be fun
Honestly. Unless this game stops getting updates hyper comp won't exist. You can't optimize something always shifting
And the devs already are nerfing problematic tech
crisp bronze
THE HELL IS HYPER COMP
signal dirge
Think highly optimized
Getting off a good combo is comp.
Doing 13 movement techs into a frame perfect imput is hyper comp
Also comp games still allow fun but at a disadvantage
Hyper comp games are play perfect always
Different speedrunning communities have em aswell. Trying to speed run something like rdr2 is competitive. Trying to speed run sm64 is hyper comp
If I would paraphrase I'd say the point where the execution of top strategies becomes unrealistic for the average person to achieve
idle hearth
hyper comp doesnt exist
signal dirge
It does
signal dirge
It's more for speedrunning but I apply it other places
It's the step between human limit and tas
Which makes the game hyper competitive
idle hearth
by that logic no Fighting game can be a "hyper comp"
upbeat fable
Does that seem like hyper comp?
signal dirge
I mean no fighting games can ever be tasd or speed ran. Being in your opponents head is always gonna net you wins
But not everything is black and white
There's definitely point where different games fall on that scale
I'd say melee is close to it. Or atleast extremely optimized even if it can never be 100%
Compared to every other plat fighter
I guess if I wanted to use lamer terms I'd say something like. The level of optimization and how far the game can be optimized when done to far makes things gatekeepy
The stream is live
signal dirge
It's neutral. But it marks who the games for
Should this game only exist for the people no lifing it?
Then the new players are gonna stop coming
If you dont care to baby your players you can make a niche fanbase for yourself that constantly grows stronger
Also. Samurai jack looking cool.
crisp bronze
Then the new players are gonna stop coming
if you plaing fighting games you know you will get absolutly man handled on first 10 hours
its golden rule in fighters
try to play random match in tekken
i promise you
you will get 20 hit combod in first 5 matches
signal dirge
Isn't always true for plat fighters. Nick and ultimate are still easy to walk into. Mostly to mmr tho
I don't view this game as a traditional fighter at all
signal dirge
But ultimate is the best selling plat fighter
idle hearth
The difference is that Ultimate has a extremely big Casuel community
If a new player would start playing on grind servers or in tournaments
the same thing would happen. they would get destroyed
signal dirge
Well yeah but at that point if your searching for harder fights. You're not looking to be casual
tiny comet
Patch show 👀
idle hearth
no lol
tiny comet
Jack op
signal dirge
I domt think it should have one and I think smash ultimate did it perfectly
idle hearth
its literally meant to be ranked?
how is it perfect when the intended design failed hard
signal dirge
If it's ranked. Where are the ranks
idle hearth
THEY LITERALLY BALANCED THE GAME OUT OF PURE WINRATE DATA OUT OF ELITE SMASH
tiny comet
Guys guys
tiny comet
Jack op
signal dirge
Yeah. A better bruiser than garnet for sure
tiny comet
Ehh
tiny comet
Dependin on patch notes
signal dirge
THEY DID AND CAN
signal dirge
Nooo they couldn't do it noooo
signal dirge
Ls
crisp bronze
Nooo they couldn't do it noooo
i didnt said they will not do it
i said it fundamentaly broken
and ask everyone
signal dirge
Good. Let it be
tiny comet
Good thing it cost meter
signal dirge
It's here and it's beautiful
crisp bronze
they will remove it in next patch probably
signal dirge
Garnet top 1
signal dirge
Doubt it
tiny comet
😂
signal dirge
Tho if you want an agro bruiser. There it is.
crisp bronze
i will probably test him
signal dirge
Weakened only gets to 3
tiny comet
What class is jack?
signal dirge
Bruiser
idle hearth
wait how is a counter fundamentally broken?
tiny comet
Neat
signal dirge
It's not. Fross just wants to hit a and then a again
tiny comet
crisp bronze
It's not. Fross just wants to hit a and then a again
if you could at least counter it and win 2 games out of 10 vs me you could talk
stfu
xd
tiny comet
crisp bronze
you will get 10-0 even on jack
tiny comet
😂
idle hearth
in game like multiversus?
i can definitly see it being way stronger in this game
tiny comet
Not me 🙂↔️
crisp bronze
if the game is taped around timing of dodges a
then you cant give players fcking auto parry
idle hearth
i personally like more defensive options but having it on one character? ehh
idle hearth
if the game is taped around timing of dodges a
then you cant give players fckin...
ehh idk if you can really say that
the counter is most likely slower
than airdodges
crisp bronze
the counter is most likely slower
it will be 1-2 frame knowing pfg
idle hearth
making it not viable to use out of combos
crisp bronze
you will see it
signal dirge
Having a hyper offensive character instead of a defensive one having it is a bit disgusting
signal dirge
Well yeah everything is frame data
idle hearth
fck i loved stevens shield
signal dirge
I adored that sheild
crisp bronze
ye
and it was fundamentaly broken
idle hearth
i was able to play smash in multiversus
idle hearth
yeah it was broken af xD
crisp bronze
same for jack
signal dirge
Waaahh we can have fun in a game. Waaahh
crisp bronze
it will be broken a