Garnet

[trail jewel]

we went from beta SFV to SF6 in terms of speed thanks to input buffer changes

[upbeat fable]

I can't do that no more

[frozen iris]

I never said she was bad, just not as deep

[signal dirge]

I still do that

[crisp bronze]

Wait

They actually did IT?

[tiny comet]

Serious note

[toxic walrus]

Nah, biggest dopamine hit still, and the reason I still am going to play her, is sniping someone offstage with up special and hitting em with the big ol' downair.

[crisp bronze]

HOLLLLYY FCCCK

no way

[trail jewel]

you can change input buffer now

[frozen iris]

I actually like gauntlets more in this version. Angle is quicker and you can follow them like Ryu fireball.

[signal dirge]

Ima set it to smash ultimates then

[tiny comet]

Delay all follow ups

[trail jewel]

it's not an actual game speed change but it feels nicer for the input buffer

[upbeat fable]

I'm sorry, but seeing someone try recover, grab on the wall and then be able to hit them full on down? Way more fun

[upbeat fable]

...No

[tiny comet]

Enemy crashes out

[trail jewel]

funny you say that, i follow up on those almost every time with dash attack

[crisp bronze]

Let him cook
Hes right

Gaunt much better

[toxic walrus]

gaunt is better now

tandem approach with gauntlet is bae

[upbeat fable]

Ok approach works

[trail jewel]

it's like... one of my most reliable combos alongside sair-jab (down follow)-bash

[upbeat fable]

But what about killing because they mess up once?

[toxic walrus]

i do that enough off one read

well

[signal dirge]

Good players don't mess up

[toxic walrus]

i did anyway

[trail jewel]

i'd say it works aight as an edge punish too

[signal dirge]

Atleast not in certain ways

[crisp bronze]

Ah yes
We like these

No we not

[exotic hemlock]

give garnet a signature perk that gives her dance stack for every 10 hits

[trail jewel]

halving input buffer helps a lot

[crisp bronze]

Like say whatever you want
But spike from save spot at 30 was busted

[frozen iris]

i wish I recorded my last match with a Finn. we sair, faired a Wonderwoman and Joker across the stage on Scooby manor. It was funny.

[upbeat fable]

True, but I kinda miss it

I understand why it was changed

But god do I miss it

[signal dirge]

Garnet marker: Opponents now grab your star and allies become unable to. Being hit in flight removes the star

That's what I want

[crisp bronze]

@toxic walrus still down to play

[toxic walrus]

Not right now, gonna grab some grub.

[exotic hemlock]

that’s how it should work tbh

[toxic walrus]

Maybe in an hour.

[crisp bronze]

Oke

[exotic hemlock]

it’s kind of annoying how if your marker is on a teammate and they die you lose it

[tiny comet]

Truth

[signal dirge]

Or that teammates WILL PURPOSELY TAKE MY STAR FROM THE LEDGE WHEN THEY ARE AT LIKE 115

Run back and grab it like. "I'm helping "

NO YOUR NOT DONT TOUCH MY STUFF

[crisp bronze]

Tbh
Just make it something like that
If you hit gauntlet you mark enamy and you can fly directly to enamy

[toxic walrus]

I might run Rhythm and Movespeed perks now instead of damage. Using sing a lot more now to keep the movespeed buff up, switching up my playstyle a bit.

[signal dirge]

See yeah that works too

Remove allies ability to grab my star

Why would I want that

[toxic walrus]

Before my combos were too long to keep sing from decaying lol.

[crisp bronze]

Grab weekness perk on 2 slot for 1ś

You will not regret it

[toxic walrus]

I used it before, with IAD sair you could fully stack weakness in one combo and hit clap after.

[signal dirge]

If my teammates getting jumped I don't wanna just fly headfirst into them and if they are safe why do I wanna go to them and if they are pressured off stage I dont want that smome

[toxic walrus]

Killed a WW like that at 75.

[crisp bronze]

I think its still better tha n msbuff

Bcs you can barely see the change on it

[signal dirge]

Sometimes I just fair 12 >fair 12 and it just works

[crisp bronze]

And weekness is VERY noticable

[signal dirge]

I'm guessing that won't anymore

[frozen iris]

it shouldn't, but people can't always react.

[upbeat fable]

Without Jason, I am not a Mvs player

[toxic walrus]

I'm praying they make it so you can't use sair back to back instead of making it when you hit jab1 you can't sair; there's no lockout when you just use sair 1 back to back, only after jab1.

So it makes it weird and actually messes up airwalker combos for her too.

If you spawn the platform and jab, you can't sair after the platform disappears.

It sucks.

Limits it as a perk.

[crisp bronze]

Write to supp and explain it to them

As much as i despise pfg devs
But they listening to playerbase

[toxic walrus]

They won't listen to me bro.

I guarantee it.

[crisp bronze]

You should at least try

[signal dirge]

Make it so the limits only apply out of a iad or dodge move or somethin

[crisp bronze]

Anyway
I feel like im slowly building mussle memory in my gameplay

Like
I love this feeling of being far from ceeling on character

[signal dirge]

Maybe just make iad sair have like further sair 1 knock back and less hitlag when in that stae

[crisp bronze]

Im still missimputing a lot of things
Doing wrong things in wrong moments

[signal dirge]

So you can't use it for combos but can still slide across the ground and do sair 1 2 on ground

[crisp bronze]

I love when i feel there is space for growth

[upbeat fable]

FrossTea describing how being human works

[signal dirge]

If you iad sair 1 should just go into 2 instead of jab

Like mortys ax

[crisp bronze]

You played league of legends?

[upbeat fable]

No

[crisp bronze]

Fck

[upbeat fable]

Why would I play the purgatory game?

[crisp bronze]

Somehow most popular game in the world tho

So there is hight chance you playing it

Anyway
Nvm

[signal dirge]

Actually would iad sair 1 going into sair 2 instead of jab just fix them. Shoulder bash still exists but

Instead of how they implemented it or am I missing sonrthing

[frozen iris]

I like that compromise. Can use shoulder charge to chase then.

[signal dirge]

Plus now you can fair 12 across the floor which is cool

[crisp bronze]

Anyway
Sometimes you have characters/wepions in games where you are so limited by it you cant do anything above certain level

[upbeat fable]

Yea

[crisp bronze]

So no matter how much you do

You will not do more with it

[upbeat fable]

Yes

[frozen iris]

Anyways, Legendary Bismuth skin for Garnet.

[crisp bronze]

I feel like garnet is not as simple

[upbeat fable]

Yuhuh

[crisp bronze]

So i have still can play in better was

Ways

[upbeat fable]

Mhm

[tiny comet]

Live by the punch,
Die by the punch

[upbeat fable]

Gotcha

[tiny comet]

Ba fold once nair stops working

Smh

[signal dirge]

Symm overwatch

[crisp bronze]

In my short overwatch history

I was playing sombra

[tiny comet]

I swear even when arya changes into me she still recovers faster from my moves than i do

[crisp bronze]

As a main

[tiny comet]

Call the cops

[crisp bronze]

She is
For some reasons

[tiny comet]

Agendas

[crisp bronze]

Bait her dodge attack

And parry

[signal dirge]

Arya is scary. In 2s she's prone to make mistakes tho

[crisp bronze]

Only way

To deal with her

[signal dirge]

"Just parry it"

Ah yes. The og bad game design

[crisp bronze]

After some games its preaty easy to tho

Still
She stupid af

One of the most toxic designes in the game

[tiny comet]

I just bait her

[signal dirge]

They run forwards like rodents. In 2s you just armor through her or drag her out her air combos. And hope she ain't comboing you

[tiny comet]

Shoulder bash ftw

You can punch her dashing at you

[crisp bronze]

Shoulder Bash have longer start up than her end lags on miss

[tiny comet]

I get hit by dagger on purpose 😂

[crisp bronze]

Dont use it to punish
Dont
Trust me

[tiny comet]

She gets slapped

[crisp bronze]

Worst if she insta dash to you

[signal dirge]

Also your aerials outrange her sometimes

[crisp bronze]

[tiny comet]

Distance matter

Trust

😏

[crisp bronze]

Nahh

This blink is almost instant

[signal dirge]

Also star when she charges into you and just spam it and that sometimes words

[crisp bronze]

Sair have similar range to her

Ok
Going to watch something
And after i will Play vs hog

[tiny comet]

Sair

Is bad

In 2s

[crisp bronze]

Its low range move

Of course its bad in 2s

[tiny comet]

When theyre too close

[crisp bronze]

Xd

[tiny comet]

It was working prepatch

Idk what happen

[crisp bronze]

Good questions

Ok
Brb

@toxic walrus ping me when you ready
(Make it fast tho. Its after midnight in my country and i need to wake up at 7 AM)😭

[fleet birch]

Maybe this is a L opinion but i think characters should have to think when they play

Im looking at black adam players

[frozen iris]

Just tried Supes, he still does the thing.

just even less cheese, I guess.

[tiny comet]

Nair nair nair

[fleet birch]

No that clap move is so bad

Wdym it goes so far???

And it has a lasting hitbox

[signal dirge]

DAS WHAT IM SAAYYYIIIINN

[tiny comet]

Meow

Have you seen the war crime

[frozen iris]

every match is just a morty

[fleet birch]

Not yet

[tiny comet]

https://youtu.be/EuOiE6bf_No?si=cWLRulLcli6gj4lo

[tiny comet]

^

[fleet birch]

Was the warcrime that u got hit from behind?

[tiny comet]

Indeed

[fleet birch]

i think superman has a jab 0-50

[tiny comet]

Jab shoulder air upspecial

[fleet birch]

Black adam is braindead

[tiny comet]

True

[fleet birch]

Like my dog could play him

[tiny comet]

💀

No cooldowns 😂

[fleet birch]

steven doesnt feel like an S tier???

Like compared to what I go against

He doesnt feel that good

[tiny comet]

Steven op

Nvr nerf again

[fleet birch]

is he rlly?

[frozen iris]

Can't with ones today. T7J, Marvin, Morty, Bugs. Almost exclusively

[tiny comet]

Dont take me seriously

[fleet birch]

i never know when to

[frozen iris]

Third Marvin in a row. I have to take a break.

[fleet birch]

not as bad as my 7 shaggys

[frozen iris]

I'll take that any day, over projectile vomit characters

[fleet birch]

sandwich

[frozen iris]

1 projectile, versus Marvins whole kit. Garnet has more projectiles than Shaggy.

[fleet birch]

sandwich

[frozen iris]

Also, it's not even the projectiles as much as the playstyle.

[fleet birch]

sandwich kick sandwich

[frozen iris]

Shoot and run.

[fleet birch]

literally shaggy in a nutshell

[toxic walrus]

@crisp bronze yo

ready

[tiny comet]

@crisp bronze

[fleet birch]

@crisp bronze

why are there so many shaggy and wonderwoman duos

Wonderwoman just needs to be deleted

[tiny comet]

😂

[frozen iris]

Both characters have been free at some point, so most people have them

Has anyone noticed any major differences fighting Joker?

[tiny comet]

Joker still a ladder player

Still strong

Just not cheesey

Which is fine

I dont find many jokers

Its like the 4th arya today

I swear no one play arya in 2s before this patch

Id get 1 arya a week

4 in one day

Geez

[crisp bronze]

Not like i predicted it

Xd

[tiny comet]

I need to dance more

Zzz

[upbeat fable]

Of course, they can't TOD anymore

[tiny comet]

Batmans too

Slides out

Down attack ig

Ah yes

Down attack still dont hit airbourne grounded characters

😴

5 arya

But its on my team

Spicy

Dogged

[crisp bronze]

Still into Play?

[signal dirge]

I'm probably no where near as good and im vcing my bf rn but sure

Worst case I'll learn somethin

[signal dirge]

Ye

[rustic linden]

Dude I finally got to play her

She’s so bad omg

[signal dirge]

You just. Don't do the stupid loop anymore

That's it

[rustic linden]

Nah man there’s something else about it

She just feels more worse and sluggish

[signal dirge]

? Intresting. I haven't been feeling that

If anything dtilt has been super sexy

And fair covers more since you might be able to punish with hit 2 quicker

[frozen iris]

She's a 50/50 character now. Now you just have to wait, instead of everything being confirmed.

[signal dirge]

I mean yeah that or you just play alot of neutral

[crisp bronze]

@signal dirge ok come

What's your nick?

[signal dirge]

ZeliriousZ

I play on ps5

[crisp bronze]

@fresh sleet you next

I will Play bo3 with both

[signal dirge]

He's gonna beat me up

[frozen iris]

I'm referring to advantage stage, the part after neutral when a hit is confirmed.

[upbeat fable]

At least it's not me again

Don't want to go 2-18 ever again

[crisp bronze]

Hope lags will be not that significant

[signal dirge]

Ouch

[crisp bronze]

Zooming garnet is real

[signal dirge]

I'll learn

[crisp bronze]

Ggs

^^

[signal dirge]

Ggs. So. Any tips?

What would ya rate me outa 10

[crisp bronze]

4

You have good dodges
And you know Basic combos

And you had good edgeguard

[signal dirge]

I need to learn the better combos but the engagements I lost every one. I guess bash is really just that good

I really underestimated the lean back

[crisp bronze]

It is that good

[signal dirge]

Is the other guy showing up or?

[crisp bronze]

I literaly spammed it this game

[crisp bronze]

Idk
He quiet

[signal dirge]

I'll keep learning untill he responds if you'll have me

[crisp bronze]

We have to play

[rustic linden]

Gimme a sec

[signal dirge]

I'll back out then

[upbeat fable]

What am I?

[crisp bronze]

You something between 2 and 12

You are Dice roll

[signal dirge]

Lmao

[upbeat fable]

Fair enough

I do just press buttons sometimes

[frozen iris]

What about me?

[upbeat fable]

Other times I cook

Other times it's somewhere inbetween

I am truly just inconsistent

[rustic linden]

@crisp bronze

Brarkingdestiny

[signal dirge]

I'm slowly getting the hang

I'd love to learn more from ya

[crisp bronze]

Hope it helped a bit

[rustic linden]

Ditto?

[crisp bronze]

Ye

[signal dirge]

Is this like smash where me being here will drop ur frames?

[rustic linden]

I got no idea

[crisp bronze]

Same

[signal dirge]

One of the big difference between 1s and 2s is how much yall place star on stage.

[frozen iris]

Curious what you think should work on?

[rustic linden]

Ig it works a little

[frozen iris]

I almost never in two unless I'm already off stage and want to stall. Risk of teammate picking it up is too high.

[rustic linden]

I saw some lag maybe it’s me tho idk

[crisp bronze]

Its not
We are just on other continents

[frozen iris]

Just ran into a Rick with some every cool combos. But he didn't know I could reflect the Meeseeks.

[signal dirge]

Garnet can reflect meseeks?

Whhaayy

[crisp bronze]

Last one

Lets play

[signal dirge]

I must train until frost calls me a good garnet

Ur my dad now

[crisp bronze]

Xd

Bruh

Dont

[signal dirge]

Lmao

I can't live with the rank of 4. I atleast gotta be a 7

That was a hot parry

Let me out of here

It doesn't let you leave till you lobby

NO ONES HERE IM TRAPLED IN THE LOBNY

The leave button is blocked out on some Sao stuff

Guess restart

[crisp bronze]

Limbo trap

[crisp bronze]

Get used to the post iad loop world

You fishing too much for jab

[frozen iris]

With a stack of weakened, you can kill Batman at 23 percent with fully charged Grounded Neutral attack.

[crisp bronze]

Yep

Without di tho

[frozen iris]

yeah, he didn't expect it. Once you parry his slide a couple of times and he stops doing it, the matchup feels a lot easier.

[signal dirge]

So. Applying weakened to myself with the taunt really isn't doing me any favors

But it's so funny

[crisp bronze]

Ye
Batman is playable match anyway

[frozen iris]

Don't do that. Until your are a god, at least.

Banana Guard. Time to die

[crisp bronze]

and fck
I need to grow some balls
For some reasons instead of finishing combo with sair 2 in a good way im reversing it as an instinct

Idk why

I lose so many free kills with this

[signal dirge]

Tbh getting good is a side endeavor to having fun

I'm just gonna play the game untill it becomes instinct

I switched to garnet midway through

Ugh black adam

Tho it wasn't unoassable. I'dearn

Switching from taunt to last stand is night and day

[tiny comet]

What i miss

[hollow birch]

I am now a garnet main

shaggy too stubby

b i g l a d y

[tiny comet]

Abort

Go back

[signal dirge]

Not good here

Bad time

(If you love lowtiers tho)

[frozen iris]

When guarding someone at the ledge, try throwing your up projectile straight up, It makes it a bit more difficult for them to recover, or it could break their hit as they recover.

[signal dirge]

Good to know

Teach me the ways

I wanna dog on people with the lowtier while taunting away

[tiny comet]

No shaggy zone

Go learn banana guard

[hollow birch]

: ) nah imma get better than u

[frozen iris]

I want Shark Hat Garnet. It's laziest skin in the universe, and I want it.

[signal dirge]

Wedding garnet my beloved

[frozen iris]

That cost money, and I'm broke. But I do like it.

[signal dirge]

Hahaha I'm not asking

Get wedding garnet

[frozen iris]

Can you spare 80 gleamium?

[signal dirge]

I can

You got paypal?

[reef ore]

i got it from a crate dawg 😭

[frozen iris]

I was joking. I'm not going to take your money. I'll get her next week when I get paid.

[reef ore]

good luck to u tho

[signal dirge]

You better. Best skin by fat

Fat

...

[reef ore]

lmao

[frozen iris]

Lucky. Only one I've gotten that I play is Superman.

[signal dirge]

She's thicc

[reef ore]

question. how many mains is too many?

[frozen iris]

need a Megan Thee Stallon cosplay on that. And they should add Garnet's fusion dance as an emote. It's suddenly popular on TikTok again.

[frozen iris]

If you are super new, 2. Otherwise, 3 should be enough to work with.

[reef ore]

what would u define as super new?

[signal dirge]

I got about half of those words

[frozen iris]

Like, never played a platform fighter.

[reef ore]

what about like 50 hours on smash 😭

[signal dirge]

I played smash for Years and only have 2 per title

Like since brawl

Usually 2 mains and a counter pick

[reef ore]

i mean i played a lot more than 50 hours but thats just ranked. most of it i played casually and didnt bother practicing

[frozen iris]

Focus on one for now, so you learn the game through them, then branch out. But if you are super casual, do whatever. Just a game to play.

[signal dirge]

Also being a vet gives you old habits

For example I'll never learned iad

I refuse

So this being your first makes ur learning fayser

The flipside is everyone knows more

[reef ore]

thing that sucks is this is an awful platform fighter in platform fighter standards

[signal dirge]

But most of the brawlhalla pros started with brawlhalla

And that's also an awful plat fighter

[frozen iris]

That's propbably the reason I'm so upset this patch. I spend hours learning that technique just for it to be basically taken. I even switched controls to dpad. Say what you will, but it sucks losing something you had to practice hard to get, because I'm not great at those types on inputs.

[reef ore]

i know iads

i just

forget to use them

im not sure what combos to use them in

im a marvin main btw

[signal dirge]

I know them and where to use them. But the imput is annoying so I dont

[frozen iris]

I wanted this to be the combo platform fighter, but it seems that's not what the community wants.

[frozen iris]

I don't know what Marvin does, and unless he becomes meta, I refuse to learn.

[reef ore]

ive gone through plenty of characters. in beta it was taz and garnet. on release it was garnet then jason then stripe then marvin

[reef ore]

the cool thing about marvin is hes a counter to a good majority of the meta

hes the anti-meta

he will never be meta

but meta will never beat him (exaggeration)

[signal dirge]

I hate the concept of being locked in a combo

[frozen iris]

Started on Harley day 1 beta. Then I saw Oopstier fold people on Superman. So I said there the whole beta. Garnet was a tertiary then. Came back, and saw Garnet saucing in the new version, so I made her the main.

[reef ore]

theres a feeling like no other when you land your rocket without flag

[reef ore]

really? the only saucing i saw on release was her jab loops with side iad

which idek if u can do anymore

havent tried

[frozen iris]

I come from regular fighting games, so I don't really mind, as long as there some good counterplay.

[signal dirge]

I don't wanna learn a guitar solo I wanna learn spacing. I don't wanna die at 0 because some Finn knew the timing on 2 buttons. If I wanted to die in 2 exchanges I'd play smash 64

[frozen iris]

You cannot, she doesn't have any combos longer than 2 moves now.

[signal dirge]

Which is the worst one

[reef ore]

so.. they killed her?

[frozen iris]

Not killed, just flatened.

[reef ore]

idk i have yet to see a good garnet

but thats because shes not all that great herself i imagine

[signal dirge]

They wanna remove the dumb take 100 damage for getting hit once. They'd hafta raise everyone to iron giant weight to keep it as it was

[tiny comet]

I have a few combos past two

Got a few that 4-5

Gatekeeping them tho

Gotta find the one piece to find out

[reef ore]

i hate finn. with a passion.
and tom and jerry.
iron giant for obvious reasons, same with ww even after their nerfs

[frozen iris]

Fross is pretty good. And I saw some fantastic Garnet in 1s tournaments, using IAD and full movement tech. Curious if they will stick with her.

[tiny comet]

😏

[reef ore]

i hate to admit it but unless they're dedicated to the character they'll move on

[signal dirge]

Honestly I just need to keep fighting good garnets until my pacing clicks

I usually learn super fast just thrown in

The first Game I got 1 stock. The last. 2.5

[reef ore]

to be honest garnet had already taken a huge blow after the transition due to her armor just being gone. she went from superman to supermid 😭

[signal dirge]

I love lowtiers tho

I wanna be at a disadvantage

I wanna have funny taunt perk

[frozen iris]

Wonderwoman isn't so bad when you relize most of her moves lock her in place, Try to delay you hits a bit, and follow the rule of two. After you dodge her first move, you should expect and second quick option. Wait for that move, then strike.

[reef ore]

could you elaborate on the rule of two? sometimes they'll use an attack and im not sure what to do. sometimes they'll dodge and that's when the rule of two works for me.

[frozen iris]

I took two stocks most games, except for last one. But was always solidly behind. I was rattled from an interaction from the second to last one, so I wasn't doing well.

[signal dirge]

I just am happy to be here and learn

Also add me Haku

ZeliriousZ

[reef ore]

one of the best feelings for me is when you can see yourself adapting to someones playstyle in the middle of a match. nothing like seeing your own improvement; being better than your past self and no one else.

[signal dirge]

GROW STRONGER W ME

That's all I can do is adapt.

I suck at gameplan or even doing combos. I'd rather just fundamental everything

[reef ore]

if yall wanna run some matches wit me im down

rageonimgone2

[reef ore]

real. i get 90% of my damage from jabs

because the other person is awful at neutral game

[frozen iris]

I'll fight whoever want to.

[signal dirge]

Same

[frozen iris]

We can set up a room, one person spectates and we rotate

[signal dirge]

If you know how go for it

[reef ore]

if we do 1v1, just know im not the kind of person to sweat, im mostly a casual player.

i have a very competitive mindset but am working on it.

[signal dirge]

I'm here to learn from Haku cause they did better

[reef ore]

i might 1v1 in a bit though

gonna go try the patches out with my dad

[signal dirge]

Alright

[frozen iris]

No problem

[signal dirge]

Why is my name not yellow I did the beta things

Or was that alpha only

[frozen iris]

Did you pay 100 dollars like a weirdo?

[signal dirge]

You payed 100 but can't afford wedding garnet(

[frozen iris]

I was in a better place a year ago.

[signal dirge]

Ah. Sorry to hear

Close

[fleet birch]

For how strong garnet can be shes just so diluted compared to everyone else

[rare glen]

Yeah. I mean, it's not like she's WEAK.

Per say

She definitely still hits hard.

It's not like they touched her damage. She's just boring.

[signal dirge]

1 to 1

I'm an algorithm

[fleet birch]

right

Like harleys up attack is broken asf

And garnet is just kinda like meh

[signal dirge]

Got to cocky after that stock 1

[fleet birch]

Halreys up attack is hitting me from like 3 feet below her

[signal dirge]

I'm so cloosseee

[frozen iris]

Yeah, you are

[signal dirge]

Now im further

[frozen iris]

You actually react faster to your hit confirms than I do.

You just aren't prepared for some random options I chose.

Comes with time.

[signal dirge]

I'm not used to garnet ditto or 1v1 format

You done?

[frozen iris]

It's good to do 1v1 to learn what other characters do.

I can do a few more. Let me change the stage,

[signal dirge]

I'm still in the stage where I just wanna play as much as possible. I played dedede in smash so reacting to random stuff hitting is nothing new to me

[frozen iris]

I mained Shiek

ready when you are

[signal dirge]

Sorry got a text

I'm a coward and now I have platforms

I need to stop misimputting side b

[frozen iris]

Did it crash for you?

[signal dirge]

Uhhh

Broken

[frozen iris]

It will kick us out, or we restrart the game

[signal dirge]

Well. Ima log anyways. I gotta be up early. Fun games tho

[frozen iris]

ggs

[signal dirge]

I'll definitely play with ya again sometimes

[frozen iris]

I'll be around.

[rare stag]

Hey, so does one stack of Rhythm anything?

[frozen iris]

small movement speed buff

[rare stag]

There is no visual indicator even though the game said it’s supposed to make her go faster in the beta it used to have wind around her to let you know now it does nothing and I don’t think she seems to go any faster

[frozen iris]

They accidentally put ranked stuff in the game, lol

[rare stag]

Must be a very small speed buff

[signal dirge]

I like her being low tier but like I wonder why they are so scared of her

Would giving them like a 10% buff with a stack really destroy everything?

[frozen iris]

hit hard, high weight, doesn't die. Plus "beginner character"

[signal dirge]

Finn hits. 2 buttons

[frozen iris]

I would love if dance was reworked and some part of it moved to her base kit. Sitting still , even for the projectile shield and armor break, doesn't feel great in this game, especially in 2s.

[signal dirge]

Dance takes twice as long to get a stack. 1st stack gives armor break. 2nd stack gives 3 tokens of dodge

[frozen iris]

You're kind of cooking.

[signal dirge]

Maybe 2. That expire with the 2nd note goes down to 1

So you can dance then run through bugs projectiles or whatever setup they did

It also more matches the actual fight between garnet and jasper

Where she first breaks her tool and visor. Then slips through all the attacks

[frozen iris]

That would be great, bacause heavy projectile are a pain for her. She can't block them. Bugs safe and rocket, and Jerry are all heavy.

[signal dirge]

And ball for some reason

Hell Even if it was only projectiles I'd be happy

[reef ore]

makes sense

[frozen iris]

She can block normal Lebron ball. But what's weird is that even if she hits it back, Lebron can just grab it and it's his again.

[reef ore]

doesnt killing someone give ur dodges back though?

[signal dirge]

I mean like. If you were to get hit it would consume a token like a ww sheild

[reef ore]

ohh

no i think

first stack should give armor break

second should give armor

makes more sense

considering her EXTREME lack of defensive options

[signal dirge]

That makes sense. But dodging is more her style

[reef ore]

yeah, that's why i think armor with her base dodges would help

[signal dirge]

Well dodge stacks would just be armor but without taking the damage

[reef ore]

yeah

[signal dirge]

You could like run through a bugs missile and still just be sprinting.

[reef ore]

she just needs more options. she feels really predictable atm

if im wrong let me know though

[signal dirge]

Armor would work but your still just tanking all the damage. Where if you dance for 4 seconds straight I think being temp invul to everything but grabs would be balanced

[frozen iris]

I'm noticing more people reading her.

[signal dirge]

But only for like a set amount of attacks

[reef ore]

yeah, it's becoming a problem

thats the reason i love characters like marvin

really unpredictable

[signal dirge]

Simple characters show their hands more. Give it time and everyone will be more predictable

Garnet is just honest

[frozen iris]

I changed my input buffer before we fought, want to get my inputs to be tighter. Trying to parry more, but it isn't working out so far. I parried you once.

[rare glen]

Yeah she's always been kind of simple in her attacks. The only thing that was straightforward was her dash-grab and even that works in a matter-of-fact fashion.

[reef ore]

if you lose to a garnet, your best bet is gg because you know damn well she fought for that shi 😭

[rare glen]

Hence why combos were necessary on her.

[signal dirge]

Imput buffer isn't the time between button press and your charactwr doing it

[reef ore]

now we dont even have combos. what happened to this character 😭

[rare glen]

But if she's just playing the poke game then well she just fails in comparison to others

[reef ore]

they stealing everything from us

we need to protest yall

[signal dirge]

It's how early you can imput the next move during your last moves frames

[frozen iris]

Let's give it a patch. see if we start losing, then maybe they will try something.

[reef ore]

there was this one game i played where you could choose your next move while using a move. its like that but add frame data.. i think

[signal dirge]

Like if it's set to 10 and your move is 20 frames. Then inputting your nect attack during the first half of the move will give you no imput

But if you were holding one imput and changed your mind you could imput another in the later half of the move for that choice instead

[reef ore]

bad habit i have is spamming my attack button and doing the full jab combo when i could've pressed it once and started a combo

[signal dirge]

It'll lower that

Since you'd have 2 jabs of frames. I set mine to 15 because I'm lazy when I play but 10-8 is probably optimal

[reef ore]

i dont even touch my settings lmao

[signal dirge]

But pretty colors

I just set it to 15 because it's like 6 frames slower than smash

And I feel about 6 frames slower than me 2 years ago

[frozen iris]

yeah, you actually move faster than me. I felt it.

[signal dirge]

Nah I'm actually medically slow in reaction time due to a nervous system disorder

Put it at like 10 and just follow the stick with your next plan

Then you only hafta worry about the button your trying to hit

It might feel like you hafta slow your roll a little. But you'll be locked in.

Quite frankly having to be better timed helps with my flowstate too

Of course it's different for everyone

The default sux

[frozen iris]

Yeah, that's another reason I like combos. I'm slow to react, but solid muscle memory. So once I get a hit I can lock in. I don't do well just stray hitting and neutral dancing. Never been my flow.

[reef ore]

kind of relatable

im just mentally slow

takes me longer than the average person to process anything

[signal dirge]

I'm slow to react but dancing and learning my opponent is way cooler than combos

[frozen iris]

Could have fooled me. You moved pretty comfortably on Garnet.

[reef ore]

i second that

[signal dirge]

The correct way to play should be a series of decisions

Not just. Hey I can fc a guitar hero song

You die at 2

[frozen iris]

I come from the FGC proper, and the biggest misconception people have is there no decision making in highly technical games.

[signal dirge]

The blocking systems are nothing in comparison to smash or even multiversus

I was a big strive guy a while back

I'd compare the two like csgo to overwatch

[frozen iris]

It would help if more games were like killer instinct. The combo system is active for both players, because you can attempt to break the combo at any time if you guess the opponent's option right.

[signal dirge]

Yeah they have a system but overwatch will always be so much more to think about ans plan

Then there's games like meltyblood or skull girls where there actually is no brain power

But those are exceptions not the rule

[frozen iris]

Excuse me?

[signal dirge]

Especially melty blood type lumina. I got heavy into it when they added neco arc

The footsies are fun but there's nothing going on

The decision making in proper fighting games is always like. I wonder if they'll do the safe or unsafe move. Time to guess. And it's super well choreographed what those moments are. Unless a character has a strong gimmick

Every fighting game has those 1 or 2 super techy characters

[frozen iris]

I don't know how to respond to that, because if you are convinced of that, there is no way explain the layers of neutral play that happens in those games.

I'll just have to let it be.

[signal dirge]

Well I mean alot of it is just passive thought. Like using your best anti air when someone lands on you. With command inputs if your slow sometimes you have a safer easier one. But once you're attuned you just. Pick what's best for the situation. Footsies is just footsies. And blocking systems are usually reaction based at high level.

Like. Anti airs in sf

You have your weak uncovering one your strong one and your imput one. And the imput is usually the best for lile 80% the cast

If you can do the imput faster than the weak attack. Why do the other 2

[frozen iris]

That's a layer one approach, Like if your opponent knows you are about anti-air. but what if they safe jump and block it, or yellow roman cancel it in GG.

And the weak hit might be safer, if you just looking for an opponents reaction, but often heavier moves are unsafe, but lead to bigger damage with better scaling.

[signal dirge]

Well safe jumps you should be able to react too. Blocks are something you hafta look for all throughout the match. And there's gimmicks in some fighting games to add depth in these choke areas

[frozen iris]

There just as much nuance in a platform fighter, as a tradition fighter, as an anime fighters, or 3d fighter. Just different styles for each.

[signal dirge]

Tis why gg also let's you change air momentum very quickly

I have never touched an anime fighter in my life

In like the dbz or naruto games where it's lile 2.5d

[frozen iris]

Guilty Gear is still classified as an anime fighter because of it's air dash and burst mechanics.

Anime fighters: Melty Blood, Guilty Gear, Blazblue, Under Night, etc...

[signal dirge]

Intresting. I didn't know they separated the 2d fighters. I was thinking like ninja storm

More tekken inspired

[frozen iris]

Ninja Storms are considered arena fighters, and aren't really grouped with the rest of the FCG titles.

3d fighters : Tekken, Soul Calibur, DOA, Virtua Fighter

[signal dirge]

Yeaah those ones

[frozen iris]

traditional: Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, King of Fighters

[signal dirge]

I tried tekken once and it just. No

[frozen iris]

Tag Fighters: Marvel vs Capcom, DBZF, Power Ranger: Battle for the Grid

[signal dirge]

You made those up

Power rangers?

[frozen iris]

Platform: Brawlhall, Rivers of Aether, Smash, Multiversus

[signal dirge]

Hey there we are

I can see my house from here

[hard gazelle]

when Garnet gets nerfed #music message

[frozen iris]

Insane game. Only game with actual TOD on this list. As in your whole team can die from the very first combo.

[signal dirge]

Yeah. Nope

Also that rip slaps

Siivagunners a gost

Goat

[frozen iris]

Haven't heard that name in years. They still around?

[signal dirge]

Yea they upload daily
Tbf I want my character to have like 100 2-4 hit strings sometimes 5 or 6 if you really fish. And a really good ground set

Just enough to push pressure and be scary but still exist in neutral

[frozen iris]

i miss the snow halation era. That was peak.

[signal dirge]

When every other post was undertale

Peak to me

[frozen iris]

Never played undertale. Internet ruined it for me. Like the music, though.

[signal dirge]

I'm practically inspired by it

[frozen iris]

Fair, very formative games I've noticed.

[hard gazelle]

Funniest one that's SU related was the price is right for Amiga turning into Stronger Than You

Cause like what a weird combo

[frozen iris]

is that another Silvagunner mix?

[hard gazelle]

Here Comes a Thought arrangement was great tho and even got Rebecca Sugar's attention

Yeah

[frozen iris]

I'll have to check them out at somepoint

[hard gazelle]

#music message

This was the nice one, really good love letter to Cartoon Network

Back on gameplay, turning down that input buffer really helps

I didn't notice the nerfs THAT much, a lot of those changes are ultra technical things I don't really pay attention to

[rigid storm]

@signal dirge @crisp bronze can you guys take this to dms pls

[signal dirge]

I haven't been here for a hot minute and frosstea even longer

What are you on about

[frozen iris]

I think your discord is updating super late.

[rigid storm]

It’s for next time. everytime frosstea fights someone they have the whole dialogue in here taking up all the log

i’m not asking for much here

[signal dirge]

Is this not a chat for garnet and garnet fights?

[rigid storm]

it is, not for

gg
nice
gg
no way
awesome
ur my dad now

🗿

[signal dirge]

Finneeee

Rule 1 of garnet club. Dont talk in garnet club

[rigid storm]

the drama of it all

[frozen iris]

Not like many people talk in here anyways,

[signal dirge]

I wonder why

[frozen iris]

hmm, a mystery...

[signal dirge]

So are you like a mod or something

Or just some random dude who wants to dictate

[frozen iris]

Usually a mod would have it clearly labeled with a special title. You learn to recognize them. This doesn't look like that.

[signal dirge]

I've seen them disguise themselves before. I'd hope the official server would have more class than that tho

An alt or somethin

[rigid storm]

no way ur still going

[rigid storm]

No i just wanna find tips and advice in a garnet chat not your whole arc 😭 I asked politely too so idk why ur being so childish

“hey can u stop that please?”
“FinE i W0nT EvEr TaLK AGain”

[signal dirge]

I didn't say that

Infact it's very obvious I'm still talking

This is a discussion place for people who like garnet.

Not it's wiki

[rigid storm]

^

[signal dirge]

That's what you're trying to implement

[rigid storm]

it’s a simple request, feel free to ignore it but ur being obnoxious

[signal dirge]

When you impose on others. Yeah they tend to not be chipper w ya

[rigid storm]

ur right people barely talk here because she’s an uncommon character, so you can imagine how tedious it is having to scroll through ur whole shabang for anything useful

I didn’t impose anything

i asked politely

[signal dirge]

Well I politely decline your request then

[rigid storm]

I try and be nice and i’m still being treated like the bad guy i don’t understand 😭

i’ll just be rude then

[signal dirge]

Feel free

[rigid storm]

👍

[signal dirge]

Also when your actively making a request for the people who've been here chatting all day to simply not and to have this place as your personal wiki. Yeah it's not nice. No matter how politely you word it

[hollow birch]

all i want is her future skin

[signal dirge]

I think they are actively avoiding future and the movie

They canceled su for cn towards the last season

I hope I'm wrong tho

[rigid storm]

It’s really not that difficult to say “let’s 1v1 i’ll dm you” i’m not asking for your liver. it’s selfish for you to talk that much with useless jabber no one else can respond to since it’s the context of just the two of you

Again, not that hard.

[signal dirge]

Anyone can use the chat at any point for any purpose not regulated by the rules

[rigid storm]

i wanna learn garnet lemme check out the channel

two dudes 1v1ing and 30 minutes of their texts

Okay we can try thinking about other people let’s try that 😊 not just urself ok?

[signal dirge]

I would also formally like to tell you I don't care what you want

[rigid storm]

😕

[signal dirge]

I'm not interested in anything your selling

[rigid storm]

i think i got what i wanted

[signal dirge]

If moderation makes a statement I will follow such statement

[rigid storm]

i’ll end this discussion so i don’t take anymore space like i just said

have the day that you deserve 🫶💓

[signal dirge]

Congratulations

And maybe that's why my days rock

For new garnet players. If you wanna learn ask questions. Specifics will help you out alot more than anything randomly spouted. This Game changes daily so keeping modern is important

[frozen iris]

yeah, not the best day to ask about her tech, honestly.

[signal dirge]

Yeah especially from me a 4/10 garnet

[frozen iris]

He wouldn't even rate me, so at least you are on the board.

[signal dirge]

Ima get better and slide him eventually

[fleet birch]

U must be new here we all pretty much talk about our 1v1's feel free to ask questions instead of scrolling through the whole chat tho 👍

[devout sequoia]

Just a friendly reminder to everyone that the purpose of this channel is discussion centered around Garnet in regards to gameplay/combos. For other conversations please use channels #general or #general-2. Appreciate everyone's help with that.

Also lets always keep it civil and respectful, thanks.

[upbeat fable]

#general and #general-2 are filled with random nonsense and constaly spammed by a ton of people, getting an actual conversation going is next to impossible in there. If you really want Garnet tech then you can ask for the Garnet cord or one of the Garnets in here. Just because people like to use this chat for 1s shouldn't be a bad thing, just shows that people are playing the character and learning from one another

[crisp bronze]

We figthing and then we share experience and learn from each other

You free to ask what you need
Anyone will help you

[tiny comet]

👀

Someone disturbed my rest

What happen to make an admin drop by lol?

I see i see

“Admins pay more attention to garnet chat than pfg to garnet’s gameplay”

Jokie jokes of course

Yall really need to add sair to shoulder

And vice versa

A solid combo

[novel copper]

Yeah, Garnet's still got it

I developed a new IAD combo with dair instead of sair; it doesn't loop (or at least I haven't attempted to) but it seems to work

Side Attack 1 > IAD Down Air > Side Attack 1 > Up Special > Side Attack 1 > Side Attack 2 (Up) > Side Air

I have to test it in an actual match to make sure they can't get out of the dair hitstun though

oh, wow

it DOES work

okay

we're in business

Could lead to other variations depending on the situation

waaait

nevermind

doesn't seem to work after all

maybe it's percentage dependent

this'll require more testing

[novel copper]

Okay, yeah, it's not true

they can definitely dodge out of it

ah well

[toxic walrus]

Oh well!

Gotta try this stuff out, y'know?

[novel copper]

not sure why I managed to hit that Batman with it

unless he just wasn't dodging

[upbeat fable]

Some people just mash

[paper ether]

These forums are still meant for discussion of the character itself.

It shouldn’t be filled with things that might be better off located in other channels.

Sometimes things roam a little off topic and that’s fine, that’s just conversation, but just because “general chat is busy” doesn’t mean that Garnet’s Discussion Thread becomes “General 3” or “LFG 3”

But I don’t think it’s an issue to discuss your matches either, it’s how people learn.

The reminder was mostly just a reminder that we should keep these channels on topic as much as possible.

[upbeat fable]

Yea Garnet chat shouldn't be general 3, but also remember there's literally every single other character chat. Not everyone can make use of general chats. It's also sometimes annoying to have to go into dms

[novel copper]

Unbelievable

they removed Garnet's loop but Supes still has his?

[paper ether]

None of these are reasons to just discuss things that don't belong in any Character Thread.

#general-2 is often quite slow and managable, there are places for conversation that don't fit into this topic.

I appreciate your understanding, and we are aware that this happens in other Character Threads as well, we are merely making a reminder in Garnet Discussion because it specifically had an issue recently. (Mind you, this isn't the first or last time we will have to make a reminder like this in any of the Character Threads)

Rather than trying to argue what the usage of these channels is for with Members of the Mod Staff let's just try to use them appropriately in the future.

[upbeat fable]

In my opinion you're just making this chat more dead than it was in the past just for some stupid reason as people can't ask questions themselves and throw a fit when they have to scroll past people having a conversation

[paper ether]

We're not "making this chat dead" by requesting that you use it for Garnet Discussion.

Keep it on topic it's that simple.

[upbeat fable]

Play Garnet and doing Garnet 1v1s is on topic

[paper ether]

Didn't say it wasn't.

But I don’t think it’s an issue to discuss your matches either, it’s how people learn.

A reminder of the usage of this channel is not "killing the channel", nor is it preventing you from discussing Garnet in anyway.

That's all this doesn't need to go any further, I'm not here to argue this with you; but you should not be aruging something that isn't being said either.

[novel copper]

Just gonna mediate here, they did kinda derail from talking about Garnet gameplay to a bunch of other games

[upbeat fable]

When it's as vague as "in regards to gameplay/combos" then actually I am arguing something

[upbeat fable]

From what I saw yea this did happen, this isn't supposed to happen. But one of the people was complaining about people talking about 1s happening

[paper ether]

The reminder, is not an attack on your discussion of Garnet.

The reminder is a reminder to the entire chat at the time that the Discussion is to remain Garnet Focused.

You are pointlessly making this about something that it's not.

[tiny comet]

Found a 4k wins marvin

[novel copper]

Sounds like my kind of Marvin

[tiny comet]

Mans different even tho we won

[novel copper]

how'd it go

[tiny comet]

He a threat

[novel copper]

kek

[tiny comet]

Still explode tho

[upbeat fable]

Not Garnet focused, begone

[tiny comet]

😂

[upbeat fable]

If you think I'm serious Spork

[tiny comet]

What is this

[upbeat fable]

Then you're the problem

[paper ether]

Huh?

[tiny comet]

Another agenda

[paper ether]

I didn't even say anything?

[tiny comet]

😂

[upbeat fable]

Saw you typing

[paper ether]

My cat was literally stomping on my keyboard?

[tiny comet]

[upbeat fable]

Can't see that can I

[paper ether]

No, but you could make less assumptions as well, move on from this.

[upbeat fable]

You should too

[novel copper]

Guys... come on

[tiny comet]

Anyways

[wicked tusk]

[paper ether]

You... pointed me out?

Alright, how about this;

Don't antagonize users in chat, and follow moderator instructions in the future.

I don't want to see it again.

[tiny comet]

I see how a good marvin can cause garnet problems

[upbeat fable]

Antagonize

Wow

[wicked tusk]

and morty

[novel copper]

Clover

let it go

[upbeat fable]

So I can't even speak on what I think of mod instructions?

I can't argue anything?

[wicked tusk]

What's your tier list from your Garnet's point of view?

[woeful goblet]

ok so superman still got his jab loop on garnet that sucks

[novel copper]

YEAH

HE DOES

GOOD GRIEF

😭

[woeful goblet]

thats annoying

[novel copper]

hug me pls

🫂

[woeful goblet]

hopefully taz's loop is gone? haven't faced a taz yet

[tiny comet]

He can loop her easy

[wicked tusk]

yea, but sometimes i can avoid it with jump higher and do the nair

[novel copper]

WHY DID THEY MAKE HER SO THICC

[woeful goblet]

hmm if im caught with his jab down ender i cant get out even if im spamming dodge already

he gets like 3 loops

[novel copper]

Yes, it's the down variation that we literally can't escape

it SUCKS

[tiny comet]

What do you mean in general or matchup base?

[wicked tusk]

i never see loop from taz, but there are three moves that i think are the most annoying and almost unescapable :
taz-nado
slam wich
dogpile! dogpile!

[wicked tusk]

matchup base from your garnet, who are the most hardest until easiest

[tiny comet]

I’ll get back to u

[wicked tusk]

it's okay, no need to rush

[woeful goblet]

i think taz is just really annoying to play against lol

all looney characters are

[wicked tusk]

exactly
i don't want fully judge it yet, just need more time to figure it out to counter taz

[novel copper]

His pre-patch loop was soup into salt over and over

[tiny comet]

Ima be honest

Garnet suppose to counter both projectiles and armor with dance

Dance doesnt do a good job at either

[novel copper]

I could counter his soup setup most of the time, but sometimes I had to take it

[tiny comet]

💀

[novel copper]

The dance affects armor?

[tiny comet]

Lvl 2

[novel copper]

Ohh

You meant the rhythm stack

yeah it's unreliable

[tiny comet]

Indeeds

[novel copper]

Shame Garnet's got terrible perks

I'm sticking with the 5% boost

[woeful goblet]

I'm actually experimenting with marker rn I feel like it can be viable

the surprise star dash is nice if they dodge your rocket

[novel copper]

Sure, but I already do that manually

[tiny comet]

Not the game forcing me to do free for all

[tiny comet]

Indeed

[novel copper]

Setting a marker at the ledge, chasing my opponent off-stage and letting them escape and get back to the ledge, only to star dash back and throw them off again

You can't tell me that's not hilarious

[upbeat fable]

Def is

[novel copper]

Best part is, it kills at 100%+

Star Dash Yeet for the win

[upbeat fable]

I think it can probably kill earlier

Especially with a cheeky side special follow up

[tiny comet]

Signature moveeee

Servers fighting for its life right now

[woeful goblet]

yeah i killed someone at 70% earlier because of how it was placed since im using marker idk i find it convenient

[tiny comet]

Got 2nd in ffa

Sad

First baby!!!

[novel copper]

Right, but I mean placing the marker at the ledge specifically will always kill

I beat a Morty by yeeting him from the ledge 3 times in a row

it was glorious

One of my most satisfying kills was a Wonder Woman who tried to edgeguard me with super armor

[tiny comet]

Oh boy

[novel copper]

I just grabbed her and yeeted her into oblivion

[tiny comet]

Yaaa yeeeeet

https://tenor.com/view/steven-universe-garnet-thumbs-up-gif-7317273

[fresh sleet]

i have been summoned

what is this about

[wicked tusk]

i always bring my anti armor perk set for ww, ig, supe etc that have armor moves

[novel copper]

I just star dash or jab

[upbeat fable]

Just use up special projectile

[novel copper]

That too

still mad about that Supes loop

[tiny comet]

Why do i only get gizmo in 1s lol

[tiny comet]

When air up special, up special grounded, and up air attack all hit once

And didnt kill

Cause it resetted

ole reliable

Beat one gizmo lost to a different gizmo

Pain

[crisp bronze]

sorry
i pinged wrong person

[signal dirge]

Dumb question. How do I get aerials besides uair outa iad

[upbeat fable]

Be very fast with inputs

[signal dirge]

Explain funny man

I typically hit diag dodge and hit at the same time

How should I be doing it. And is it possible to get both fair 1 and 2 out of it?

Do I diag dodge and then let go of stick and quickly imput fair?

[tiny comet]

😅

Firmly grasp it

[toxic walrus]

Pretty sure you can get sair2 after, but it's just better to IAD sair1 into jab for more damage.

It's a pretty fast input after hitting dodge, do it within milliseconds of inputing the dodge.

If you are using controller I'd recommend flicking the right stick forward right after you input the diagonal dodge.

[signal dirge]

I can do imputs I just didn't know how it worked. Thanks for the info. And ik jabs better but fairing someone while sliding across the stage must feel so good. Tho Jab into down jab might just does everything that does but better for moving opponents low and forward

I use down jab far more than I should because it feels good

Is there a percent where I can combo the floor bounce of down jab into dtilt?

Maybe with a super heavy and bad di

[idle hearth]

omg

guys

you can put the Handicap over 95

in trainingmode

holy

[signal dirge]

Hey you can actually test kill percents now

[idle hearth]

kinda

you cant change it back

[signal dirge]

Well you'd just set it and hit reset no?

[idle hearth]

now everytime when you changed it too high and want it lower you will need to go so far up till its goes back to 0

[signal dirge]

Why

[idle hearth]

you cant lower the handicap xD

oh and wasnt filt (up) buffed?

why is it only killing at 135

[signal dirge]

I think fair was

[idle hearth]

alr nvm

you cant test anything

[signal dirge]

Huh no your right. It only kills early w bad di

[idle hearth]

the bot isnt Di´ing consistently

i hate it

[signal dirge]

Di away will make you live it far longer. Di in will kill at like 120 I think

[idle hearth]

yeah

but my bot isnt DI´ing out consistently

...

he just sometimes forgets to

how is that not fixed

[signal dirge]

They should make it if you put airdodhe away it's always di away

[idle hearth]

am itripping or was side attack as a whole always this weak?

at 120 he gets send nowhere near the blastzone

[signal dirge]

Well blastzones are stage dependant too

Tho why are you killing with up jab instead of clap or jab up special clap

It's just better for that purpose

[idle hearth]

well you dont always have up special on cooldown

and honestly i just wanted to test the "buff"

which i dont feel at all

[signal dirge]

No but jab upspecial combos into clap

It also combos into jab clap for even more damage

Jab 1 up special jab 1 clap

[idle hearth]

are you talking about jab into up special into jab into clap?

[signal dirge]

Yeah. The projectile stuns for a long time

[idle hearth]

not really

i had many people just dodge out of it

even superman

[signal dirge]

Jab 1 upspecial is true I think

[idle hearth]

im pretty sure thats just a fake confirm. (im still trying it all the time)

yeah

but the projectile part into another jab

thats not true

[signal dirge]

That is true. Just delay it slightly

But only by like. A smidge

[idle hearth]

ohh i think i know why its so "inconsistent"

Jab is stale after a while

making it probably not true

less hitstun

[signal dirge]

They removed move staling I thought

[idle hearth]

it sstill there

not as strong

and invisible

as far as i know

[signal dirge]

Didn't know that

If you take just a split second to angle the up special just a tiny more forward that should be proper timing. But it does work with the quick version too. That's just if you wanna get a couple more frames to do something

[idle hearth]

im not sure tho i just heard it

i again. idk how exactly the training mode works

idk if pressing "reset" REALLY resets everything (for example move staling)

cant test it

maybe it just doesnt exist and the bot just doesnt dodge early enough

[signal dirge]

You hafta aim the upspecial well so sometimes if you aim to high or to low you'll either let them dodge before it hits or hit them to early to follow

[idle hearth]

i swear are blastzones just bigger???

why is clap not killing at 95

[signal dirge]

As I said it's stage depending

Dexter 2 has shorter side Blast zone with higher top

Rick and morty stage is the opposite

[idle hearth]

alr now testing it on sky arena (1v1)

it kills at 95

but then without resetting it doesnt anymore

move staling does exist

ohh wait forgot to test it with perks

lmao

[signal dirge]

Good to know

[idle hearth]

thats why everything felt to weird

OH

holy wtf

move staling is crazy

wait ima clip it

[signal dirge]

Is it only on hit or whiff too