I'm not mad or anything, just a friend debate. If they get rid of it, I'll just adapt. I like like the tool.
#Garnet
frozen iris
crisp bronze
I'm not mad or anything, just a friend debate. If they get rid of it, I'll just ...
Im not mad too
Im just showing my point of view
crisp bronze
i like the game where you need to touch enamy more than 1 FCKING time to win
tiny comet
Harley pre nerf
crisp bronze
I wonder htf they let Harley have it for so long
tiny comet
Jp in street fighter before nerfs zoning
crisp bronze
No wonder game died when people were in cut scene with Harley for 15 seconds
tiny comet
Bayonetta before nerfs
King grappling
😂
Just grab back……
Fails
Gotta add reversals indicator like wwe
crisp bronze
Ok
Gtg from this channel
Dm me
Of something interseting happends
tiny comet
Kk
Ik who ever watch this channel for garnet feed back
This chat is everywhere
This aint helpful information
😂
Swear nattack going to get nerfed eventually
Even tho its so predictable
frozen iris
Didn't expect that to get the chat so crazy.
crisp bronze
Didn't expect that to get the chat so crazy.
Loops always was hot topic
tiny comet
I get both sides
crisp bronze
On beta topics about Harley cut scene combo and arya true dagger combo were on daily basis
tiny comet
Loops are getting nerfed regardless
And its possible iad will be nerfed too
Cause the mentioned superman in 2s punches loop
Its implied but not definite
crisp bronze
From remaining loops
The ones that remained are
Taz
Superman
Bugs
And garnet
crisp bronze
Tbh garnet can slip under the radar with iad for now
Bcs they are like 4 garnet players
tiny comet
Or hit a projectile for a bubble pop
crisp bronze
Then ww is degraded from s tier to gloryfied A
crisp bronze
Nahh
tiny comet
Sair side b down b all nerfed
crisp bronze
Wait.
In this mid season patch
Right?
tiny comet
Ye
crisp bronze
LEZZDGGGOO
tiny comet
Ikr
crisp bronze
Hb joker?
crisp bronze
Any nerfs for sair or jab?
crisp bronze
Thanks god
tiny comet
And dodge nerf
crisp bronze
Holy w
tiny comet
Still the best in the game low key
crisp bronze
I mean
He was so disgustingly broken
That i would not be suprised
Any info about garnet?
tiny comet
The agenda fross
crisp bronze
What
tiny comet
Garnet not too good or bad to get a mentioned
The agenda
crisp bronze
Good tho
crisp bronze
But they doing the same things that killed game in beta
0 things for hardcore players
Brb
frozen iris
Patch notes probably tomorrow morning. Following the trend of how they used to do it.
frozen iris
I will lab some non loop combos from now on, which are mostly her aerial combos. I'd love a buff to aerial upspecial as a finisher. It feel undecided as to what angle it sends the opponent and they just live a lot of the time.
tiny comet
Win by any means
No mercy
Punch them into the dirt
Sometimes i jab charge neutral wait for them to dodge then smash
Even if true uncharged sometimes
Finns do the same with charged up attack and taz too
Bait and react
Being honest
They need to add some toonami characters
Or adult swim
They setting the bar low
tiny comet
If you dont know to handle him yes
Plus collateral damage also yes
He can leave you bouncing of his shield while taunting
But situational
If you dont have an uppercut also could be trouble
Problem for others
Not a problem for me
😏
Neutral punch conquers all
tiny comet
Neutral up down up down repeat
exotic hemlock
did they touch garnet this patch?
tiny comet
Than his up special has priority like ww as well
tiny comet
did they touch garnet this patch?
The agenda
tiny comet
Garnet not too good or bad to get a mentioned
The agenda
tiny comet
Till the patch notes release nothing definite
exotic hemlock
give a stun to her up special
tiny comet
Wasnt mention in show
exotic hemlock
her ground down attack doesn’t feel the same as it did in beta
plus her rocket fist don’t have the same targeting, which i get why they changed it but still
exotic hemlock
what did they give her?
tiny comet
All up specials apply shock
Or electricity (what ever)
Neutral punch charged shielded (armor slam removed)
Rocket punch doesnt disappear when you get hit like it did in the beta
fleet birch
jesus christ steven is broken
buoyant shuttle
council of garnets: what do people think about running the +5% perk versus the ""if you're at 100+ damage you apply weakened" perks, ive been doing the former since i figured she needed the edge to get in but im starting to wonder if the latter is better
tiny comet
It reflects projectiles
Weakened perk for 1s
Movement for for 2s
My ninja way
Both viable
Collateral the last options for the second slot
buoyant shuttle
ive been running pugilist, i didnt think she did enough floor/wall slamming for collateral to be worth
buoyant shuttle
oh wait yeah
tiny comet
Armor killer for iron giant ww steven
Armor crusher for superman
Interchangable
Imo*
buoyant shuttle
ive been running snowball/speedforce/pugilist for most matchups, protective momentum/speedforce/clear the air for marvin/rick/etc and snowball/dashes break armor/armor killer for ww/supes
though i dont know if im good enough to warrant running clear the air since im bad at parry
tiny comet
😂
Fair
Consistency all that matters
And understanding your options
Or you can die by being stubborn being greedy
Like me
buoyant shuttle
mood
buoyant shuttle
honestly i kind of love fighting iron giant in 1s because it feels like the one matchup where going full on I Am Never Going To Stop Punching is the play
ive barely touched 2s though
tiny comet
honestly i kind of love fighting iron giant in 1s because it feels like the one ...
Facts
Its like he has a target says hit me
buoyant shuttle
brain off full aggro
tiny comet
Once he gets in the mech its gg
buoyant shuttle
everything is a combo when the enemy's hitbox is the whole screen
fleet birch
everything is a combo when the enemy's hitbox is the whole screen
preach
tiny comet
💀
tiny comet
Its hard work
fleet birch
I love her but I feel like I suck too much
Same
Its kinda just the way she plays for me
Like shes a decent character
But the meta is revolved around being fast
And garnet is just slow
tiny comet
:/
buoyant shuttle
she really feels like a character that benefits more from reacting and reading than just doing combos and the latter is way easier for a lot of characters
tiny comet
I was going to say tht
buoyant shuttle
im at the point where in 1s i mostly just see the high tiers and its a coinflip on if i win or not but i guess thats a good spot to be
buoyant shuttle
back to back i had a superman who gave up and suicided after i was two stocks up by just not jumping into his attacks and counterattacking, and then a superman who i did 60% damage to and he just 0 to deathed me off the side in response
trail jewel
I think I need to work on how I move mentally
fleet birch
im at the point where in 1s i mostly just see the high tiers and its a coinflip ...
thats how it is for me its not whether or not the oppnent is skilled its if they can cheese u
trail jewel
I just beat a lebron bc I knew I can bubble projectiles with her song
buoyant shuttle
i think it'll be a lot better with the upcoming patch supposedly removing a lot of long loops
trail jewel
Sadly he sold the last stock :(
Considering how I also main Stripe and Supes, it's been hard wanting to be good on Garnet
buoyant shuttle
garnet feels like a very honest character and once a lot of the dishonest outliers are tamped down i think she'll feel better
trail jewel
Sometimes I have an absolute great feel for the fight, other times I felt like I could just drop her and main another bruiser like Adam
or even Jason
buoyant shuttle
jason is the closest thing to a secondary i have but im waiting for him to get some hitbox love
definitely fun but hes missing the sauce atm
trail jewel
She's honest in a roster of broken fighters
tiny comet
Jason getting buffs
trail jewel
a well balanced fighter in a kusoge roster
tiny comet
👍
buoyant shuttle
yeah im optimistic for him
his design feels fun and good he just needs a bit of touchups
tiny comet
Hes pretty good
Just suck vs projectiles
And hit/hurtbox problems
I got him and joker to 10
tiny comet
You need armor killer vs him
fleet birch
Idk what they could do to garnet to make her aligned with the rest of the roster
exotic hemlock
Idk what they could do to garnet to make her aligned with the rest of the roster
give her armor
make her superman
tiny comet
😂
trail jewel
Ugh, I'VE BEEN COMBO FOOD TO A GIANT?
tiny comet
Neutral punch everything
trail jewel
GIANT IS COMBO FOOD
tiny comet
This is the way
fleet birch
ok but not as broken as joker jesus
Wdym ur at 180 and didnt die?
U got launched
I hate that map
tiny comet
Neutral punch that man
exotic hemlock
neutral air
trail jewel
0-2 against Giant. I hate this.
trail jewel
I keep asking myself if it's worth staying on the beat
trail jewel
The worst part is I had close games
Idk if I should dump Garnet to secondary and main like
idk
Stripe or Jason
tiny comet
Its a choice
trail jewel
or Adam. Somehow I've gotten a lot more confident in Adam than her
and yet yesterday I felt like I was on fire with her
tiny comet
Up to you
trail jewel
It's hard. She's too balanced
trail jewel
I like her style. Outside of grapplers, I like her playstyle, the brawlers, the charge character type
trail jewel
I want to keep maining her but I don't feel confident enough
There's always labbing ig.
And if that doesn't work there's always the patch
It's hard to compare who feels right to who I usually like
fleet birch
It's hard. She's *too* balanced
Half the roster is basically designed to counter her
tiny comet
i can never... right?
trail jewel
Close call on a Rick
trail jewel
won the set all the way thru 👍
toxic walrus
Air Side Attack 1
• - Now applies a repeat-move lockout after ground side attack 1; air lockout duration matches ground lockout duration of 16 frames
it's over bros...
signal dirge
Stupid edge to edge combos should be removed on everyone. Can I have a signature perk that just makes it so allies cannot grab my star?
I've had it be useful like 3x after getting 5 stars for garnet
trail jewel
wait so she's nerfed??
idk how to feel abt these changes but i'm glad marker got fixed and her launcher followup is faster on startup now
golden sapphire
Yeah but the launcher has less hitstun just making it worse for follow-ups
Like wow it has more knockback, but less knockback than clap so it’s useless
north path
Should've let you be able to jump cancel the up combo finish so you could maybe combo after it.
woeful goblet
tiny comet
Gutted
trail jewel
soooo she's nerfed?
trail jewel
the down followup's my usual followup anyway
least i can deal with the funny bunny now right?
pearl dust
Didnt expect side up to get nerfed / changed
faster w less base knockback makes it a better combo tool ig
idk man these "buffs" are just kinda whatever
tiny comet
This might be the worse patch ever
novel copper
I'm just glad Joker's fish slap got nerfed
tiny comet
As a garnet player
novel copper
that is ALL I wanted
tiny comet
And isnt even about the iad
tiny comet
faster w less base knockback makes it a better combo tool ig
No
You read it wrong
They increased the knockback and reduced the hit stun
This is weird
pearl dust
OH youre right
north horizon
Well back to harley and velma
pearl dust
oh this reeks
tiny comet
💀
idle hearth
Just woke up am i tripping or did the loops not get nerfed?
tiny comet
I thought i was joking with the agendas
Nerfed grounded loops
Ariale loops maybe if you know how to do it
idle hearth
What is iad btw?
pearl dust
hopefully
tiny comet
They want you to up air attack more
And use up attack ender but to follow up
But not be true
You can iad still but not the same way as before
I have ideas
idle hearth
When is the patch live?
tiny comet
But anything put on chat will get nerfed
Tomorrow and they showing off agent smith or something
Garnets good so she got nerfs
Makes sense i guess
pearl dust
double embed fail
frozen iris
Whelp, loops dead. Let's see what she can do now.
tiny comet
I cant believe marker and down special got nerfed
We people literally get grabbed and randomly break out of it when they should get grabbed
Im flabbergasted
When you use a move you expect it to work
pearl dust
isnt it crazy how superman got more buffs than we did
frozen iris
Honestly a bit disappointed. Doesn't really address her core issues and made her combos and launcher worse. Guess stray hits and pray.
tiny comet
Or up special (cd) and air up special hitting only once at times and the immediate recoveries
The agendas are clear
😂
I think you can iad one time, but if you sair, side attack ground you cant iad
frozen iris
Which I never used in 2s anyways because you will just get hit out of her combo and you need the meter.
tiny comet
At least thats what the description implies
tiny comet
Which I never used in 2s anyways because you will just get hit out of her combo ...
This is facts
I only iad to secure kills
Or to be fancy with down special
frozen iris
I do like iad sair at the ledge to "slip off" and follow down back di
tiny comet
Still an option
frozen iris
Or I use it as a burst option because it's the fastest forward movement she has.
tiny comet
I cant believe dance didnt get buffed
frozen iris
Whelp, I'm glad I landed it once in a real fight. Rip.
tiny comet
Im flabbergasted
frozen iris
I guess we were winning too hard.
frozen iris
I do win a lot, but every fight feels terrible to me.
tiny comet
I sold
Neutral attack is next on the chopping list
So is dair
Side attack up ender nerfed is egregious as hell
pearl dust
Neutral attack is next on the chopping list
first ever char to have no grounded normals
😔
frozen iris
At least Jason looks fun, I will try him out too.
north horizon
Lol
pearl dust
been pocketting jake since he was in the free rotation
might just have to switch sides after those buffs
tiny comet
Shouldve added more levels to characters
Stuck on 16 …
Moda suckas
when we getting new character emotes in discord
Joker not having an emote in discord criminal
frozen iris
No point over thinking it. Let's wait until the patch drops and see. I actually liked the shoulder charge change, so maybe this will have something fun too.
tiny comet
👀
woeful goblet
I think the changes to garnet are negligible. they removed the loop but that applies to everyone so it's only fair
frozen iris
I'd agree if they didn't also take her launcher, one of her kills moves, and if she had the same power of kit as other characters.
Unless she really gains something in the aerial game, she will become a hit and run character in a game where she can't chase.
woeful goblet
wait doesn't the launcher change mean that she can kill more using it now because of the increased knockback?
frozen iris
Maybe, but since it's grounded, the opponent still gets more time to DI the hit. And it was better as a combo extension. My hope is that since the move comes out faster, maybe she can follow-up at lower percent. And now we have to see how big a difference 100 points are. Up Jab up barely kills at 120-140.
tiny comet
wait doesn't the launcher change mean that she can kill more using it now becaus...
Reduced hit stun as well
frozen iris
Forgot about that, means even less chance to follow-up
tiny comet
Less quicker to follow up but higher knockback more space to decide options
frozen iris
For you and the opponent.
tiny comet
Cant upper cut into attack into sair anymore
Hp depended
Or up attack as well
They still getting juggled
frozen iris
Like I said, not happy on first glance, but I'll be labbing as soon as maintenance is over, since it's my day off. Maybe there's something. I just want an interesting character.
woeful goblet
Cant upper cut into attack into sair anymore
oh i didn't know that this is a thing lol
i think 75% of my follow up after jab 1 is elbow
tiny comet
There were unique options
I see
They made up ender hitbox frames faster
If someone approaches at 120 from the sky they may die
true fiber
still no armor gain from her shockwave🙄
tiny comet
But on the ground they will not
tiny comet
still no armor gain from her shockwave🙄
Not happening
I think after another month if data they’ll decide what to do
true fiber
I wish it would change her status dramatically
tiny comet
I wish it would change her status dramatically
Naaaah
woeful goblet
wait so is the patch in like 5 hours?
idle hearth
8 hours i think
tiny comet
Let me be respectful, i disagree
idle hearth
i would have loved to see a buffed sing
tiny comet
Down attack not having shield isnt garnets problems
woeful goblet
i would have loved to see a buffed sing
yeah that thing is so slow to start
idle hearth
yeah that thing is so slow to start
garnet should get her first buff WAY faster
tiny comet
Especially since she cant cancel out of anything in the current way the games design
idle hearth
so that you can use it after winning neutral without instantly throwing your advantage away
true fiber
garnet should get her first buff WAY faster
Rythm?
idle hearth
yeah
tiny comet
Theres a reason why they buffed down increased frames on hit
true fiber
for me I don’t really need it for 8/10 matches
tiny comet
Hits move oppenent recovers
idle hearth
• Ground Side Attack 2 (Up)
• - Hitstun reduced
• + Knockback increased to 1750 from 1650
• + Hitbox start-up time advanced 5 frames
tiny comet
They only thing the shield would benefit would be vs batman and harley queen for slides
idle hearth
what do they mean by hitbox start-up time advanced to 5 frames?
tiny comet
It’ll trade instead if being too slow
Or whiffing when it should hit
And maybe it in combos it’ll come out faster
Cant wait to see the tier list
And see everyone moving up
And garnet like
😂
idle hearth
atleast the loop is gone i guess
hushed needle
did they nerf garnet
crisp bronze
they removerd IAD loop
and fixed cheese perk
and changed up jab and buffed dlight
i need to play to see if it was nerf or buff
toxic walrus
Oh boy can't wait to see what is exactly possible after the nerf, I hope with this change they didn't screw up sair as a combo starter by adding the lockout, that's like 60% of how my combos start, if I can't sair > jab1 as a combo starter I'll be mad.
Maybe it'll end up being that you can only IAD once in a combo, if that's the only difference I'll survive.
Even if it's only once in a combo, that'll still be enough damage off one interaction; roughly 40 damage off one combo is still nothing to sneeze at for guaranteed damage.
I think the underrated buff will be to dtilt, moving faster afterwards could be something gamechanging if it allows uncharged dtilt to combo more reliably into upspecial, I can see our max damage combo becoming something like catching a dodge with DTilt > up special > jab > iad sair > jab > clap.
I just hope they don't remove iad sair as a combo tool completely, it's too cool of a tool to be completely gutted.
formal geyser
All things considered I am pretty sure stuff like
iad>fair>Ftilt>iad>ftilt>upspecial>ftilt>iad>fair>upspecial still works lol
like you cant iad fair into iad fair
but 16 frames is not nothing but her loops were always slower than something like steven dair loops
I might be crazy but I dont think this will change that much
we will see
buoyant shuttle
finally my compeltely intentional decision to be too bad at the game to learn the iad loop is paying dividends
buoyant shuttle
I think the underrated buff will be to dtilt, moving faster afterwards could be ...
this is what im most interested in, i feel like dlight was in a weird position where it feels like it should be a high risk high reward read-punish move but the hitstun/afterattack lag was just long enough that it was hard to reliably combo it into even a utilt or clap
formal geyser
it was always a move I was happy to use whenever I felt I could
it has the morty earth launch angle which is just a really really powerful tool to have lol
toxic walrus
like you cant iad fair into iad fair
Fastfall max range sair > iad sair was one of my go-tos for starting combos as well, rip.
Actually, does the lockout only go into effect if you hit jab1 first?
It's noted weird in the patchnotes.
formal geyser
no clue ngl
obvs their intent is for the ftilt>fair loops to be gone
but what this affects in total is a big ? for me lol
dark seal
So they didn’t fix her bubble 😭
toxic walrus
I still think she should have the choice of at least using one IAD sair in a combo for extensions, completely taking that out makes us rely on up special to extend jab loops, which is unreliable af.
formal geyser
they stated multiple times that they dont want to take out the iddentity of the characters and Garnet being able to use iad fair is something i doubt they want gone fully
repeat move lockout does very well imply you can at least do it once but then your f-light cuases the lockout
toxic walrus
Yeah, but who knows until we have our hands on the patch.
toxic walrus
All I'm saying, they should've compensated a little harder for some buffs.
I feel like they don't know what to do with Garnet at all.
Felt the same through beta.
formal geyser
consider that most if not all characters got mostly nerfs
toxic walrus
I would've liked faster startup on dtilt as well as maybe adding the disjointed hitboxes back on utilt and uair.
It feels like they removed those when the full release happened.
I still get contested all the time when spaced properly with those two moves.
Anyway, back to the lab when this patch drops, if I find anything important I'll drop it here.
tiny comet
Is the lab open?
signal dirge
That's infuriating
Honestly marker is a nerf compared to groove or 5% without the funny. Setting star early is like useless when I want to set it offstage.
Imo Marker: Opponents can grab your star instead of allies. Being knocked out of flight now removes star
Also I think Nair loops on bugs or iad fair aren't part of identity and just broken parts of the system. If all of em got nerfed at once I'm fine with everyone taking a net loss
trail jewel
sigh
is it better off if i just become a stripe/supes main
signal dirge
No. Garnet cooler
tiny comet
💀
signal dirge
Tbh garnet is the most fun to me because it feels like everything just works into everything so if your gamesense is good you'll just be pretty close to optimal already
👈🚓
signal dirge
Should have kept that
They have a taunting perk that nerfs you and missions to do so
Lean into toxic
(I use the taunt perk)
tiny comet
Troll tactics is fun
signal dirge
Ngl it's good in 2v2 to pull aggro to you
Especially playing w Mages and setup characters
signal dirge
Well everything depends on circumstance
toxic walrus
Also I think Nair loops on bugs or iad fair aren't part of identity and just bro...
@trail jewel In all honesty, having a good combo game has been a part of Garnet's identity for a while now, ever since beta with the jab nadc jab and currently jab iad fair jab. Big body combo character might not be what her identity was at first, but now... that's what she's known as.
signal dirge
Clearing that on all characters allows for actual identities
To me garnet is everything strings
tiny comet
All they need to add is the best of 3
Or first to 2
Dodging after one win dont feel right
Run the fade
Not run from the fade
toxic walrus
Clearing that on all characters allows for actual identities
I agree with you on that point, it is healthier for the game for none of the characters to have this, but I feel like Garnet had to work hard for that first hit, so it kinda felt alright if she had it. I'm glad it's gone, even if it was fun to use. Hopefully I don't have to wait 2 months after this patch for one to fix Garnet if she suffers too much from getting rid of it.
signal dirge
I mean I thought they'd nerf shoulder bash so I'm much happier w this
Especially because it was universal
Besides if she is weak w all her combos they'll just make her combo more or make her starters slightly faster which is how she probably should be balanced
It's the first big patch
toxic walrus
It's whatever, I'll just go play RoA2 when that drops if Garnet doesn't get love tbh.
I'm not gonna play a game I don't like at the end of the day, and I'm only here for Garnet.
signal dirge
I think garnet is fun even if she doesn't win 24 7. She gets skins. Fun content. Fun style.
Also. Like Jake I domt think garnet being super strong will be healthy. Earning your starters is her thing
toxic walrus
We don't have to worry about that, Garnet was at her strongest ever on re-release, being strong doesn't really matter tbh, I just want some swag and character expression.
Garnet is so fun when you're in the flow state, I can't ever see her being not fun to play. I just don't think the buffs they made will help alleviate the giant hole that the iad fair change will make, considering that the only reason Garnet was considered high mid tier was because of the loop.
But yeah, I'm looking at the changes in a vacuum.
formal geyser
we will find out soon enough when we test it
toxic walrus
Maybe she'll be alright with the other character buffs and nerfs.
formal geyser
we can look on the bright side, we are not bugs
buoyant shuttle
honestly i barely even know how to combo and im having a lot of fun with garnet, im optimistic even if she's never top tier she'll be viable
signal dirge
Exactly. We got to keep our character feeling good. And Ngl I don't wanna rely on a dumb gimmick to be a higher tier
buoyant shuttle
even if i want to stop playing against superman, getting touched once and locked into a full stage combo string followed by an offstage 50/50 dodge game aaaaaaa
signal dirge
I want garnet to be fundamentalist
The star is already enough cheese to feel snarky
toxic walrus
At least I know iad uair will still work after jab1. That's not a terrible option either, and it leads into a potential followup based on how they DI.
We adapt boys.
formal geyser
if the change does not kill iad fair then garnet will be fine imo
its just a matter of how restrictive the change will be lol
if its just the loop thats gone
thats ait
toxic walrus
If fastfall fair > jab > iad fair works for one rep, I'll be happy.
formal geyser
ye exactly like
that SHOULD work
if they removed being able to do it at all ill riot
lol
crisp bronze
Tbh
I would be happy if they remove IAD loop completly
crisp bronze
Loops just dont belong in this game
signal dirge
Like. Everyone's crying they don't have their loop like THEIR character deserves it most
trail jewel
Personally hoped Garnet would have a Future Vision counter but it works
crisp bronze
After all the nerfs i think garnet will be a tier character
They nerfed entire s tier
crisp bronze
No no
With loop she was already a tier
toxic walrus
^^^^
crisp bronze
Having death touch combo is a tier from the beggining
signal dirge
Intresting. But how are you actually hitting fair 1 against the stiers or even anyone who can keep her out
crisp bronze
The problem is most people playing garnet wrong after full release
I was playing vs hog
And even with iad he could not win bo3
Bcs he was playing her wrong + IAD
Had problems with him tho
signal dirge
Then nah. Garnet strengths should not be one stupid exploit
signal dirge
Tbf I don't use iad in general and still have a typically 90% win rate so I just never cared for it
crisp bronze
Just not 80/ borderline 0 to death
crisp bronze
Would love to play against you if you that good
signal dirge
If your opponent is like centered in your body during jab 1 you can use the jig taunt while they dodge and you'll still hit them with neutral punch most times w the delay
crisp bronze
Iad loop was cancer af
And everyone who is talking its ok to keep it in game is just bias
signal dirge
Also. I wanna see how I am when ranked comes out. The people I've been playing against aren't very good. I was top 3% of smash players but it will carry less and less as the Game goes on
crisp bronze
True
signal dirge
Seeing as over 80% of the player base is toddlers who downloaded the game cause it's free
crisp bronze
Seeing as over 80% of the player base is toddlers who downloaded the game cause ...
Higher you go
More you will see smash and brawlhalla hardcores with similar experience
formal geyser
Seeing as over 80% of the player base is toddlers who downloaded the game cause ...
lmao its always very funny seeing some of the stuff people say with these sorta games due to this reason
signal dirge
Is there like a mmr already? I haven't really felt one
crisp bronze
Ok
Im going to barber
Brb
Ping me if you write something to me
I will read it
tiny comet
Read this
formal geyser
there is a hidden mmr for sure
crisp bronze
There is probably one
tiny comet
Nerf garnet 2024-2026
formal geyser
from what i gather its different per character
tiny comet
😒
buoyant shuttle
i love how maintenance kicked in just as i punched a steven at 140%, the child has been annihilated
crisp bronze
Gj
tiny comet
signal dirge
I'm dropping steven as even a secondary because of his rose nerf and I'm hoping rwby comes in to give me a quicker secondary
tiny comet
Sent him packing into the nerfs
crisp bronze
They deserve it
signal dirge
All the other nerfs were fine but like. Keep the bubble thing
buoyant shuttle
im genuinely baffled garnet and steven dont have lines for fighting each other tbh
signal dirge
Yeah what
crisp bronze
Oke
Brb
signal dirge
They could even just reuse garnets nice win I approve when steven rings her out or something
crisp bronze
@signal dirge lets Play after maintence
toxic walrus
FrossTea is just mad cuz he's a dirty little keyboard player who could never NADC or IAD as well as me. 😃
Just kidding. Down to the run the set anytime Fross.
Same goes to any Garnet in here.
I refuse to stand by while this slander about playing Garnet "wrong" flies around.
crisp bronze
I refuse to stand by while this slander about playing Garnet "wrong" flies aroun...
You just cant Play her on the ground if you want to play vs players better than bots
signal dirge
I am at work
toxic walrus
Fross really acting like I wasn't the first Garnet in Grandmaster and #1 MMR 1v1s at some point.
signal dirge
I like playing her kinda grounded on maps with walls
toxic walrus
Play vs people better than bots LMAO
crisp bronze
Fross really acting like I wasn't the first Garnet in Grandmaster and #1 MMR 1v1...
It was diff game
Beta and this verion are literaly other games
signal dirge
Wdym you can get like 4 jabs off if you have all cooldowns and have them against a wall.
buoyant shuttle
i have a crippling addiction to being in the air unfortunately
signal dirge
She's great getting people in side blast and spiking. Others are better for up tho
toxic walrus
She's extremely good at sharking.
signal dirge
Never heard that term
crisp bronze
she have one of the best momentum tool in the game in the air
signal dirge
Shoulder bash?
toxic walrus
Yeah.
crisp bronze
Never heard that term
Same
formal geyser
sharking is throwing out aerials (generally upairs) from below platforms to catch people
signal dirge
Shoulder bash is stronger than the rocket lmao
toxic walrus
Sharking is doing low-altitude aerials and reading the drift when an opponent is above you.
formal geyser
like both her aerial upspecial, bash and uair are insane for catching bad dodges
its curtains with 1 good read
signal dirge
Why would I use Nair btw
toxic walrus
Good approach option.
signal dirge
I can't find any niche besides ledgetrapping
formal geyser
its the steven nair neutral
spikes, therefor ground bounces for combos
and its a great whiff punish
toxic walrus
If you aren't using Nair you aren't playing Garnet tbh.
signal dirge
It catches dodges but I just can't find a use for it
formal geyser
very surprised to hear you say that lol
because outside of her projetiles its her main way to actually win neutral
signal dirge
It just looses out alot
I tried approaching both more horizontally and vertically to.
buoyant shuttle
nair to me is the "i dont know which way my opponent is going to go so im going to cover every option and just swing in all directions" move
signal dirge
Besides combo routes I engage with shoulder bash
So. What's a situation I'd toss it out. Like. I hit and wanna chase?
buoyant shuttle
i usually throw it out if i know they're approaching me but im not confident enough in landing any of my more precise aerials
signal dirge
So a rush down starts sprinting at you and you go aah nair
buoyant shuttle
that or they're doing something like batman/harley/joker slide and i know they're going to go under me but i dont think i can land dair precisely
formal geyser
its one of her only ways to actually force an engagement
if you force engagments with bash you will be dodged and punished
or just stuffed out cus its range is shockingly low, both dash attack and nair serve the purpose a lot better
signal dirge
If you land in with Nair ur just getting up something by the entire cast of up swing characters
And I use dash attack alot
It lingers 5ever
It's good for following your rocket for easy armor break too
buoyant shuttle
the way i see it nair isnt the best option in many situations but its an okay option in a lot of situations, whereas fair/uair/dair are great in some situations but bad in others
signal dirge
So it's a move you don't hafta be as precise with in exchange for losinf slight power speed and utility
buoyant shuttle
if you dont know if your enemy's going to be above below or side of you, up/down/side air have a 50% chance of hitting and a 50% chance of missing, but nair has like an 80% chance of hitting
other aerials lead to way more but if you just arent confident nair will at least hit them in some direction
formal geyser
nair is namely the only aerial that you can use that will actually hit below you, dair has a much worse hitbox
you just nair, fastfall and boom you are on them and they have to respond
signal dirge
Landing on top of people as garnet is just not what I want to do typicallt
formal geyser
well thats because you dont use nair to do it lol
signal dirge
My garnet is defensive untill i see something punishable or a jump or something.
buoyant shuttle
that and it hits diagonally which is helpful against stuff like superman flying toward you, you can go over his fist grab hitbox and kick him in the back
signal dirge
Then I just parry projectiles because dancing is useless
buoyant shuttle
yeah im kind of the same
signal dirge
Fast fall Nair gets stuff like that?
buoyant shuttle
i play defensively/reactively until i get an opening, and then once they're at high percents i just bum rush them with air dodge attacks and elbow charge because if you spend the first half of the stock being cautious they dont realize just how fast garnet can rush you down if you dont expect it
signal dirge
It's good when you whiff a spike imo
That's that uh we are on wall randomly dodging and spiking ima just boom
formal geyser
big benefit of nair is that you can get deeper whiffpunishes that your tackle wont get
its about threat angles and burst range
idle hearth
How are the nerfs?
buoyant shuttle
patch isnt live yet
idle hearth
Oh
signal dirge
Honestly. I'm hoping they eventually just remove iad all together
buoyant shuttle
theorycrafting going by the notes is that super high level garnets are losing a jab loop but if you arent good enough to be doing aid fair jab repeat combos she's probably going to be a little better
signal dirge
I can do them I just find them so tedious
The rest of her is like. Fun fundamentals. Then you gotta do the stupid loop
buoyant shuttle
if nothing else she's surprisingly untouched while a lot of the top tiers are getting tamped down a little
formal geyser
its just a question of if iad is dead or not if its dead then so is garnet, if its just the loop then its fine
its an important tool and move to link her combos
signal dirge
Just buff shoulder bash to compensate lol
formal geyser
would change nothing because you are removing a skill expressive feature and making the game mor boring
loops and iad are not the same thing and only one of the two is a problem
signal dirge
What even is that take
buoyant shuttle
the patch notes dont make me think iad is going anywhere
signal dirge
You can buff any move in the game enough to break any character
As with any fighting game ever
formal geyser
worded it wrong. Ofc it would make a difference what im actually trying to say is that it would be a bad change to make
signal dirge
Well yeah. I was joking. Buffing one of her bests would just make her 1 dimensional
Which. She already was starting to become
With the dumb loop
formal geyser
ye
formal geyser
shoulder while strong at least is a move that opens her combo routes its not very one dimensional thankfully
signal dirge
No its not. But if they buffed it to much why would you throw out anything else
signal dirge
Garnet has so much air mobility. Why can she fly better than superman
buoyant shuttle
have you ever thrown a rock into the air it flies pretty far
garnet is a rock
two rocks even
logic checks out
trail jewel
To me garnet is everything strings
i mean... i like her, she's like a funky boxer. gives me the satisfaction of a heavier little mac
she has a rly fun flow state with followups
signal dirge
I'll defend grounded garnet. But calling her anything lile little Mac is insane to me
Also mac just tramples everything
Tho garnet does have that punch
trail jewel
i'm just used to the whole boxer type playstyle, i'm used to having defense tools while still letting me go aggro
like a charge character
signal dirge
Let the super armor for that punch come sooner so you can reaction punish burst movement like supes can and maybe we can compensate for the loop removal
buoyant shuttle
on one hand i dont know if i would say garnet is very little mac-ish in gameplay terms, on the other hand i do think she would be improved as a character if greg was in the background giving her fighting advice like doc louis the whole time
signal dirge
Pearl just freaking out and breaking down whenever garnet gets hit
tiny comet
Lab up ?
trail jewel
honestly my biggest gripe besides difficulty fighting with someone so balanced in a roster full of broken stuff is the sound design imo
tiny comet
Nah
trail jewel
i rly like SU (the show)'s sound design and i think it'd benefit from more show-like sfx (her weapon summon sound's so chunky and satisfying)
signal dirge
For garnet they should remove the cooldown noise for bash and clap
Like ik I don't have it tis why I'm using it
tiny comet
Big gripe letting shenanigans go untouched for too long
But nerfing lower end characters instead before if
Garnet loop got gutted 3 weeks before bugs nair
And bugs nair shouldve been gone asap
signal dirge
Black adam exists. Games trash
tiny comet
😂
signal dirge
The clap I want on garnet
And his dair wraps back around so far behind him I think he could itch his own nose w his toes
I get the lighting bs. It's his thing but like
Comon
crisp bronze
Good approach option.
Im beta grandpa Now its bait move
trail jewel
honestly felt like sair became a bit better for approach
signal dirge
That's what I use
I played steven in the beta but moved to garnet on release
I'll hafta find another low tier if they keep buffing those mfs
crisp bronze
Garnet is not even low tier RN
tiny comet
Garnet loop got gutted 3 weeks before bugs nair
The agenda
crisp bronze
Like
She was stable b tier
crisp bronze
Xd
Low tier enjoyer
Jesus
Why
Anyway
Dont listen to hog
He stoped in beta as garnet player
If he think nair is aproche move
trail jewel
I'll hafta find another low tier if they keep buffing those mfs
the gremlin calls should the kusoge stuff get worse for her to deal with
other than that? def gonna learn smith on drop
toxic walrus
Im beta grandpa Now its bait move
I'm done talking to you Fross.
formal geyser
like you are just kinda rude for 0 reason
toxic walrus
Beg me for a match and then treat me like this.
crisp bronze
Chill out
Its just banter
tiny comet
😂
signal dirge
I've just been playing regularly. I'm not ruining this game for myself like I did smash
trail jewel
how does it feel to be dethroned of the title of "most toxic garnet" hog /j
formal geyser
its NOT come across that way at all
toxic walrus
Cant even defend myself cuz I'm working smh
signal dirge
That sounds rather judgemental frossy
crisp bronze
I just think she like 5x better in the air
tiny comet
Nattack getting gutted next patch
toxic walrus
Fross has strong opinions, don't listen to him, always a hothead.
tiny comet
I spoke w the devs
signal dirge
I think playing her without any jab 1 is kinda crazy
tiny comet
They agreed
signal dirge
Or like. Up special
formal geyser
every move has 1 purpose and 1 use
tiny comet
I’ll bait you
formal geyser
if you think otherwise i ban you
tiny comet
Gurrrrrl
trail jewel
i'm 50/50 on approach and bait, i mostly use nair as followup to tap dair
signal dirge
I used it as. I think they are about to dodge and i won't catch them in time. Nair to catch it after
crisp bronze
I think playing her without any jab 1 is kinda crazy
I prefer to dash attack and send them in the air than to use jab
signal dirge
But with so many killing off the top I don't usually chase things I can't follow safely
tiny comet
Neutral attack anything everything
crisp bronze
The only scenario where i use jab is when k want to finish
tiny comet
Cant be the only one abusing this 50 hp killer
crisp bronze
And jab into clap is brilliant finisher
trail jewel
hit em with the K.O. punch
crisp bronze
He acts like Nair can't be both an approach tool and a bait tool.
By bait move i ment that people that played like in beta will spam this move entire match
signal dirge
I like jab one>j up?>up.S>j.1>j down?>rocket dashattack
crisp bronze
Missing 80%
signal dirge
The last parts aren't true but it covers alot and it works if I don't wanna bash into hell itself
The rocket does snuff projectiles prebreak armor and clash if you dash attack behind it
And if you whiff you can send it up to anti air a punish
tiny comet
crisp bronze
unpopular opinion
toxic walrus
By bait move i ment that people that played like in beta will spam this move ent...
Well, to be fair Fross, last time we played was like a week after launch, so yeah, I was still in beta mode gramps.
crisp bronze
This verion of gauntlet is better than it was in beta
signal dirge
100%
crisp bronze
Like
It grows on me so hard
formal geyser
gauntlets is just "go my child win the neutral"
tiny comet
Cap
crisp bronze
Well, to be fair Fross, last time we played was like a week after launch, so yea...
You were
When can you play?
Gauntlet is neutral game destoyer
dark seal
This verion of gauntlet is better than it was in beta
How is that unpopular 😭
crisp bronze
YOU WOULD BE SUPRISED
formal geyser
some people just really liked the old gauntlet control
crisp bronze
How much hollowheads was whining about this new gauntlet
trail jewel
Rocket punch genuinely works as a killmove at a good distance
signal dirge
Rocket Gauntlets is also. Stop standing on that ledge I wanna be there
novel copper
Rocket punch genuinely works as a killmove at a good distance
Yeah, my clip "Sharingauntlet" showcases this
reef ore
what happened to garnet? like how was she buffed in summary
novel copper
Managed to weave the gauntlets through Black Adam's lightning projectiles to kill him
it was glorious
signal dirge
That's the fun stuff I want
reef ore
what happened to garnet? like how was she buffed in summary
and are these buffs enough to bring her into balance/maybe even meta?
novel copper
and are these buffs enough to bring her into balance/maybe even meta?
no, lol
dark seal
some people just really liked the old gauntlet control
I mean I did like having more control to knock ppl off the ledge but it was kinda cheese
formal geyser
100%
signal dirge
Garnet was high. Might be mid if loop removed. Might be top if loop stays
Long loops and combos are nerfed in general
reef ore
Garnet was high. Might be mid if loop removed. Might be top if loop stays
when people rank a character on tier lists, they aren't ranking with the loops in mind im pretty sure.
cuz ive seen garnet placed low most of the time
crisp bronze
They are xd
signal dirge
Garnets just very underestimated
I'm agreeing because I like lowtiwrs
Garnet bottom 5
crisp bronze
They puts garnet low bcs they are like 3 garnet players
novel copper
How it feels booting up Multiversus knowing I don't have to fear Joker's broken fish slap anymore:
aaaand
it's still under maintenance
alrighty
reef ore
Garnets just very underestimated
i hear a ton of people say their main is "underestimated" though. like, lebron was actually underestimated (now people aren't going to after his numerous buffs). stripe was after the tech was found out, and marvin not so much.
formal geyser
it's still under maintenance
lmao you ought to wait until the ping happens here before its up
signal dirge
LeBron was a mid tier and actually good in 2v2s
formal geyser
will likely be a bit
toxic walrus
They puts garnet low bcs they are like 3 garnet players
I'm down to play later, but I'm probably gonna be in the lab most of the time today.
signal dirge
Also I mostly play 2v2
frozen iris
They are also usually rating with 2s instead of 1s. I thinks she a good 1s characters, but doesn't offer much in 2s that other characters don't do better.
novel copper
lmao you ought to wait until the ping happens here before its up
sorry, just did my hair so I'm a bit discombobulated, lol
buoyant shuttle
game's up for me
formal geyser
its been an hour now so we will see how much longer
buoyant shuttle
on pc
signal dirge
Is ranked coming today?
reef ore
what does garnet suffer from? just curious.
like what makes her not as good as some of the other characters?
formal geyser
no
signal dirge
When is ranked?
formal geyser
nobody knows
novel copper
We've heard nothing about ranked since we were told it was coming "soon"
formal geyser
when the devs think the game is balanced
reef ore
When is ranked?
i pray midseason 2
buoyant shuttle
supposedly ranked in seaso n2 but who knows
formal geyser
so we can pray after this mid season it might be time
toxic walrus
There's like 5 decent Garnet players total, myself, Obstatyph, Kylo, Fross, and CrossHares when he played.
signal dirge
Hell yeah. I'm playing 2v2s. I loved dous in smash but they were neglected
reef ore
There's like 5 decent Garnet players total, myself, Obstatyph, Kylo, Fross, and ...
i used to be good at her. but man, after that armor got removed, it was like a whole new character for me
frozen iris
There's like 5 decent Garnet players total, myself, Obstatyph, Kylo, Fross, and ...
Damn, disrespect the whole discord at once. I see you.
novel copper
There's like 5 decent Garnet players total, myself, Obstatyph, Kylo, Fross, and ...
dang v-v
signal dirge
Wow
toxic walrus
LOL don't be like that Haku, I got the important ones!
The big cheeses from Beta I mean.
formal geyser
hog is just a hater
frozen iris
LOL don't be like that Haku, I got the important ones!
And he keeps going. You're really earning that title.
toxic walrus
:^)
reef ore
in general my mains from beta to release felt different entirely. im not half as good because the playstyles are so much different
wicked tusk
i pray midseason 2
midseason 2!?
Man, i hope they can release it in day 1 season 2
reef ore
midseason 2!?
Man, i hope they can release it in day 1 season 2
dont we all 😭
novel copper
I wanna see the Wicked Witch 😤
formal geyser
it was funny af going from beta to launch and just steven being the same exact character except 5 times better lmao
novel copper
PFG's holding out
reef ore
I wanna see the Wicked Witch 😤
where samurai jack at??
reef ore
it was funny af going from beta to launch and just steven being the same exact c...
yea him and a few others didnt get touched at all really
novel copper
People are saying they're in the game now
formal geyser
i mean he did get touched
novel copper
Oh wow
buoyant shuttle
agent smith was technically in the game weeks ago but his moveset was extremely unfinished and half of it was just shaggy's moves so who knows
formal geyser
just everything got better
frozen iris
Agent Smith is giving me Joker (Persona) in smash vibes.
signal dirge
Baller
novel copper
For his everything, he uses a gun
signal dirge
But also I'm only gonna play characters I like the franchise for
frozen iris
Since it's lab time, I'll be playing MvC2 music to focus.
formal geyser
just reminds me of the steven universe, hitler comic.
"cant we be friends?"
"gun"
signal dirge
Guys he's good now
frozen iris
I play characters that feel fun. I hate horror, but Jason seems fun to me.
buoyant shuttle
also dont forget to check rifts, they lowered the star costs for the final reward so if you were only a few off you might be able to collect a ton
toxic walrus
Since it's lab time, I'll be playing MvC2 music to focus.
In case you're wondering, your value on my GarnetMains discord tier list just went up from this comment.
signal dirge
Garnet buff. Remove I'm always up for dancing from the jig taunt and replace it with garnets motiff
buoyant shuttle
yeah unsurprisingly iad loop is gone, if you jab > iad > fair she just does another jab after a brief window that seems big enough for a parry
you can jab > iad > jab from the other side but shrug
jab > iad > upair still works
toxic walrus
jab > iad > upair still works
Yep.
Figured.
Maybe low % jab iad upair fair 1 upair.
crisp bronze
There's like 5 decent Garnet players total, myself, Obstatyph, Kylo, Fross, and ...
I need 3 of them
Beat
trail jewel
Garnet buff. Remove I'm always up for dancing from the jig taunt and replace it ...
Someone gets me with the sound design <3
signal dirge
That's more choices than like sound design
signal dirge
Tho I adore here comes a thought for the new loss
I will be using wedding forever
Back in the release of beta I said I wanted steven and garnets wedding skins
trail jewel
I'm so glad ya got that wish
signal dirge
I know they'd never do it. But I want a taunt where they unfuse and then spin like in jailbreak and refuse
Different skins could pull and it would only hafta be an animation
But wedding garnet is mommy fr
tiny comet
😏
frozen iris
So far, no new confirms. Jab Up ender can't confirm into any aerial, just a 50/50. Kills slightly earier, but not really worth it. Dlight feels better, easier to confirm down air and start a combo. Loops are completely dead. You can still get sair 1 into shoulder charge and sair 2, but you can't delay as long or they get to dodge. Made her very honest.
trail jewel
I think I just realized I'm used to side tilt being jab now
Because in beta I used to have side and neutral atk swapped to make it like Smash
fleet birch
I cant tell if she feels better or worse now?
trail jewel
Now that the option was removed for a while it's so... weird having it back
frozen iris
I cant tell if she feels better or worse now?
I feel it's overall worse. Less options overall. But if you wanted honest gameplay with no loops or big combos, then you'll like it.