Finn The Human

[coral void]

hardly even see finn in 2v2 any more he's too balanced

[rocky stream]

I dont know abt that

He is not that balanced

Neither that fair

But he isnt a big issue anymore

[real zephyr]

Said no one ever

😔

[coral void]

true he's just honest and mid tier

[real zephyr]

Idk about mid tier

He's middle of high tier imo

[coral void]

in 2s though?

[real zephyr]

Oh 2s

He can still do the same stuff kinda

I don't play 2s that often so I don't really know

[coral void]

now i can say i main the lowest winrate character in 2s 🫠

[solemn adder]

Winrate doesn’t mean anything

[coral void]

it means a little bit

what it definitely means is a lot of other people are struggling with the character too so i don't have to feel bad if i lose

[solemn adder]

joker has one of the lower winrates

yet hes one of the best characters

[coral void]

2 points closer to 50% than finn is

guess he's 2 points easier to play or smth

[solemn adder]

generally speaking pick rate and how easy a character is to abuse will negatively affect winrate. finn is picked frequently so alot of less experienced players will lower his winrate

[torpid ginkgo]

character honestly has GREAT support via shop

offensively he covers the ground well for his teammate

[solemn adder]

dont forget about bmo shockwave existing

its really broken honestly

[coral void]

i don't think it's too outlandish to say jonkler is just better rn though i mean sam jack has over twice finn or junko's pickrate and is still doing better than finn. it's fair to say other characters are more easily abusable rn

[maiden flare]

wasnt the best character like velma or something according to winrate on tracker

highest winrate fr

[coral void]

extremely low pickrate though so most of the people playing her were just the most competent velma players + lack of matchup experience on the enemy's part due to low pickrate also she is just plain better in 2s

honestly i want statistics on how characters do when they solo queue 2s instead of with a duo i have a feeling a lot of those velmas winning had a partner

[maiden flare]

i mean shes definetly straight up built to be a support

i think in the beta she was just straight up clasified support not sure

[unreal harness]

her and gizmo

[maiden flare]

i think reindog too?

[unreal harness]

yup

[maiden flare]

yeah i mean they are definetly straight up designeed to do better in 2s

[solemn adder]

yeah they are better im just pointing out that winrate is kinda a useless stat when put it into context

like in 1s samurai jack has the lowest win rate

[solemn adder]

its ig rn

[maiden flare]

damn wth alr

[idle turret]

Ehhh

In 2s he's fine

In 1s he's still od

[rugged wedge]

That’s a nice joke the character has everything in his kit to be majorly annoying on top of little to no whiff punishes

[idle turret]

They mean in 2s

The character is not that strong in 2s

[rugged wedge]

Even in 2s his speed and no whiff punish window is still annoying

[idle turret]

Still like A tier though

Yeah but he falls short from the top tiers

[rugged wedge]

Lebron keeps getting buffed as tho he ever needed it to begin with which is crazy

[maiden flare]

ragebait

[torpid ginkgo]

Finn is like the slowest assassin

outside of BJ

who lets be honest isn’t an assassin

[idle turret]

Bait

[rugged wedge]

Hardly a bait getting hit by a floating ball multiple times is crazy

[torpid ginkgo]

some call him the master

[maiden flare]

ball doesnt even multihit your ragebait sucks

i respect the ragebait but noones gona engage with it if you say factualy wrong information

[rugged wedge]

My main complaint is that Finn needs to be toned down majorly also pick up a dictionary “ragebait” isn’t a thing

[torpid ginkgo]

🎣

🪤

[solemn adder]

Yeah rage bait doesnt exist #buffjoker

[pastel blaze]

Does anyone have any Finn tutorial because I recently started playing him and I'm doing well but it feels like I'm missing something, he's definitely not easy to get very good with

[torpid ginkgo]

working on Finn guide

have a finn server rn tho

can show some stuff

[pastel blaze]

Sure

[idle turret]

Nair chaining

[pastel blaze]

What's that

[idle turret]

Nair>nair>nair

True combo

[pastel blaze]

That seems bad tho it completely ruins your air momentum

[idle turret]

Depends on who your fighting, its really good on characters like shaggy

Can lead to early kos, u can check my twitter for examples

[torpid ginkgo]

nair chains is -999 aura

use up air combo

[idle turret]

Use gem combos

[torpid ginkgo]

if only

real talk tho

i dont like using nair chains

unless its IG

seriously don’t care how igs feels

[idle turret]

I only do it cause ive forced myself to post it daily on twitter

So the very few times i hop on i try and hit as many as possible because i dont play much rn

[torpid ginkgo]

but why

[idle turret]

Because i gotta

It's about the message

Tomorrow is day 20

[coral void]

both of you are extremely based on this subject

[torpid ginkgo]

nair chains are honestly so cringe

take away all creativity

[pastel blaze]

Finn is garbage in 2s or am I just bad

[real zephyr]

Just bad

No offense

[idle turret]

Not garbage but

Not as good as he is in 1s

[solemn adder]

He’s good just gotta play him right

[coral void]

alright finn is completely incompatible with mages i can't win if my ally is one

[coral void]

nah if you're solo queueing you start to understand where the 46.4% wr comes from
you have to be really good with him to overcome that

it's RNG when finn works best with tanks and not everyone else is playing tanks

finn mains on their way to start up-playing their character

[solemn adder]

Finn is actually pretty good with like Rick and Morty, Rick’s polymorph gives insane early kills and Morty and Finn’s pressure combined makes it hard to land

Also don’t solo q in ranked you will not win consistently

[coral void]

rick and morty are kinda hybrid mages so they're less cringe with finn
also marvin is a mage and he sucks ass paired with finn like one

did they change marvin's tag to mage i don't ever look at eightball i won't play him 🎱

[serene ether]

i really hope this stupid ass character gets the nerfs it deserves

[torpid ginkgo]

mad

W pfp tho

rip Kenny

[solemn adder]

Nerf lebron he’s OP

[serene ether]

Real

[coral void]

let me see that time machine that brings you to the last patch for a few hours

[maiden flare]

what does that even mean

bro cooked the epic own too hard its overcooked

uncook it

[coral void]

it's only a medium rare roast

[finite sky]

Womp womp

Maybe instead just ask us how to learn the counterplay

Instead of whining

[rugged wedge]

Yeah this is exactly why he will get nerfed because of your ppl with attitudes like yours 🤭

[coral void]

finn haters actually never happy unless he's the worst character in the game pfg gonna stop listening to the boy who cried nerf finn

in summary, skill issue

yall been yapping about finn for over two years it's time to let go it's time to wake up the accident wasn't your fault

[solemn adder]

nah i seen leaks hes getting gem back

[rugged wedge]

And? He’s had a good run let him get nerfed and pick up a diff character

[finite sky]

Ah yes, I’m the bad guy for telling you to ask for advice and improve instead of whining for nerfs and overall adding to the common problem with listening to the fans for nerfs

But I’m the problem, of course

[maiden flare]

wait wth finns geting gem back

[maiden flare]

chat can american patriots approve this information

[finite sky]

NO

NO SHOT

AINT NO WAY

It’s either gonna be wonky or op as heck man

I kinda wanna see how they’ll implement it back into the game

[solemn adder]

Me when I spread misinformation 🔥

[maiden flare]

actually devious individual

[finite sky]

Lmao

[idle turret]

He's never getting it back bruh cmon😭

[stable ferry]

Can he just be mid tier lmao

I dont care abt if hes worst or whatever

[idle turret]

Finn will always be good if his grounded game stays like this

[coral void]

there's plenty of characters stronger than him right now if you're still hard struggling against finn your character is trash or you need to reevaluate something else

stop expecting pfg to balance 1v1s and play the real game mode

reminder that arya was so busted she made a finn player quit 1v1s

[pastel blaze]

Does anyone know any Finn combos

[idle turret]

Jab jab iad nair nair nair nair

True combo

[pastel blaze]

How do I even do iad

I'm trying to do it

Doesn't work for me

[torpid ginkgo]

spreading misinformation

double nair at best

how dare you lie to them!!!! /j

[torpid ginkgo]

dms

[idle turret]

that's just against lights usually

mids-heavies u can do more

[torpid ginkgo]

i forgot

havent used it in a while

nair chain no fun

[idle turret]

Tomorrow, we will see if nair got reverted

[real zephyr]

Sure hope so

[real zephyr]

So what's the opinion on the stuff for finn

[idle turret]

im mixed on it

sad that we didn't get nair back

but ill have to play patch to say anything really

[coral void]

can anyone help me cope

i can sneed on my own

[torpid ginkgo]

your on your own this time sadly

[pastel blaze]

Ok now I need a huntress wizard skin

Or should she be her own character

[coral void]

we're gonna get through this ok?

[torpid ginkgo]

That Finn guide ain’t coming out anymore

[terse wasp]

are we cooked..?

[coral void]

Listen you'll just need to revise it once he gets his buffs again! it's gonna work out

[coral void]

we're gonna be okay just need to wait a little while

[terse wasp]

I saw the kill power nerfs. It might be curtains.

Air down special nerfs are so random.

[coral void]

don't be negative we're gonna make it

i'm trying to be the positive voice for the finn community here okay

[terse wasp]

Good luck

[coral void]

It's really hard when my favorite finn is feeling this bad about it too

[pastel blaze]

Is it really that bad

I'd suggest wait until the update comes out but I do think it was unnecessary

Finn was balanced after the "0 to death" got nerfed idk why he needed this

[terse wasp]

I believe I heard “in the into the verse” thing that removed IAD from jabs when talking about batman. If that’s true/universal this might be the bad timeline

maybe some of the universal gameplay changes can let us cook though so idk we’ll see.

[pastel blaze]

Oh hell naw

That was the most saucy thing about finn

That sucks

No reason to do that whatsoever

[torpid ginkgo]

🪢 🪑

welp that settles it

[terse wasp]

😭🙏

Idk how true that is I just believe i remember them saying that

Could always of misheard (cope)

Hopefully it’s ONLY batman that they were referring to

[pastel blaze]

I think it's only for batman from what I've heard

[terse wasp]

yeah we will have to see

[terse wasp]

it’s not mentioned in the patch notes for general changes or for Batman exclusively.

[real zephyr]

never give up

[torpid ginkgo]

im backing down

[coral void]

im picking you up

RIIIIIIISE

[stable ferry]

Unfortunately only batman

Grrrrr

[idle turret]

Rework

It now spikes but u still cant even combo into it

[solemn adder]

Could make it better for edge guard but I will still prob never use it

[coral void]

he do just have better options

[real zephyr]

I miss comboing with dair

[stable ferry]

I dont 🥺

Jk idk anything about finn

[coral void]

he's z tier like you wanted stop posting here

[stable ferry]

Z tier my ass bro he aint bad at all wdymm lolll

Im not even posting to say anything

Im just bored

[coral void]

me when i haven't read the patch notes yet

[stable ferry]

U right actually I haven't

Not finns changes

More pressing matters at hand

Like seeing if ww got nerfs

(She got buffed)

[coral void]

shoo

[stable ferry]

Ermmm

I dont really see

Anything bad lmao

Jus got buffed mostly

[coral void]

try again but put on your thinking cap this time

[idle turret]

Killing potential was cut in half basically

[real zephyr]

Finn is is shiek now awesome

[coral void]

can anyone translate this message

i don't speak smashese

[old hull]

Flashy combos but can’t kill at all

[coral void]

i will play exclusively ppg in retaliation for anti-finn crimes

[real zephyr]

Sadly unlike shiek finn doesn't have a projectile to combo into

Or kill confirm with

[coral void]

thinkin about that gem

[idle turret]

our killing aint that bad from what i can tell so far

[real zephyr]

I'd rather have apple tbh

[finite sky]

Finn feels pretty fine rn

The game overall feels worse to me

But that could be day 1 lag or something

But Finn combos feeling kinda fresh

[pastel blaze]

The game definitely feels worse I agree

[real zephyr]

Finn doesn't feel bad

I needa play more tho

[real zephyr]

Yeah Finns still good

These changes to movement compliment him alot

[idle turret]

KB nerf is very noticeable and maybe they could increase it back just a bit

And there's some other stuff id personally want but besides that he's good and fun

[finite sky]

Finn himself feels fine

The game is what feels worse

Every move seems to never take hit priority in Finn tho

Every situation he always seems to lose hit priority to any bruiser

Even when he swings first

[real zephyr]

You think the game feels worse?

The game actually doesn't feel clunky for once

The momentum stuff they did with dodge attack works really well with him

[real zephyr]

I haven't really had that issue

Expect one time ppg jab beating finns

[finite sky]

Had it with Batman and Beetlejuice

[idle turret]

If it was with our jab that's just cuz all jabs have lower priority now

[karmic yew]

ive def had problems with finn priority with bruisers

in my last match i had an agent smith basically deny all of my moves 😭

[rain nova]

Backpack nerf or not I can still spam the same 3 jab combos

[idle turret]

Yeah

But we just feel cooler now

And we're getting more stuff in an upcoming patch

[rain nova]

I’m not complaining cause I be landing some strings that make me feel cool sometimes

Was even able to carry people to the blast zone but idk how to do it consistently

[plush belfry]

whats finns best perk guys

[idle turret]

Backpack one

[daring vigil]

can we get a fiona skiin for my boii finn please

[coral void]

nah give him fun 🍬

and flynn

would be hilarious if flynn gets in before fionna

[real zephyr]

I could see it

Being pfg they probably would

[pastel blaze]

Is Finn shop even useful

Only thing I use it for is armored buns when I'm fighting against projectile characters but that's it, BMO seems useless to me

[solemn adder]

bmo is very good

[pastel blaze]

Just seems like the same thing as clap

Unless I'm missing something

[timid linden]

It sends you way further than the high-five and it’s armored

Way better than clap

[pastel blaze]

It's only armored if the meter is full though

And your not gonna find yourself using it too much tbh

At least not me

I just go for normal combos

[solemn adder]

u get the meter by just running on the ground bro

its very strong

[pastel blaze]

It takes ages though

[solemn adder]

it really does not

[timid linden]

Filling the meter is pretty easy tho

I use bmo all the time

Good kill move

[pastel blaze]

I mean I'll try

[timid linden]

It’s the one I buy most often but it depends on the matchup. Like if I’m going against t&j no way I’m not getting the buns

[karmic bane]

That was in the beta, now you only need to dashdance for like 1 second and it's full again

[torpid ginkgo]

@pastel blaze BMO is also a GREAT reflector

like use it against a Morty and steal their grenades

[pastel blaze]

I didn't know it did that

Good to know

[idle turret]

Buns and bmo yes

Boots are a "i have too much money and not enough things to spend it on" kind of thing

Only ever buy smth if ur above 1k coins or if its a projectile heavy mu tbh

[urban cosmos]

Finn is my favorite in the game too. I love how they bring him into the game. Would love a Fionna Skin or Alternate character.

[real zephyr]

Thank you for reminding me of this

[real zephyr]

Down b pretty fun to use now since it spikes

[timid linden]

This is the most fun I’ve had playing Finn since ever I’m not kidding

[idle turret]

@snow schooner ggs

[finite sky]

I’ve been struggling a lot with just the game in general but Finn himself feels fun

[timid linden]

The bag spike is too good

[finite sky]

It is legit nice

[idle turret]

Pretty good yeah

But chars like batman are better

[real zephyr]

per usual

bros always been insane

theres never been a time when he was actually bad

[idle turret]

Ofc not but this is just the best he's been

[finite sky]

Mhm

[finite sky]

Man

This game does not feel good

Not at the moment

Losing games I genuinely should’ve won because apparently everyone besides me can frame 5 dodge out of any whiff

[rain nova]

I think I made a Steven disconnect by carrying him to the blast zone and killing him at 40% LMAO

[coral void]

deserved

[rain nova]

I’m ngl half of Finn’s game plan feels like I’m literally just trying to mash my opponent with as many attacks as possible

“This next up tilt WILL land”

This character feels incredibly mashy to me sometimes lol

[rain nova]

Is “run at your opponent while screaming really loud and swinging your sword around really fast” an accurate description of how playing Finn feels cause that’s what it feels like to me

[rocky falcon]

Any new Finn combos =0?

I wanna improve uwu

[torpid ginkgo]

jab 1, jab 2, IAD nair, dair, BMO

[rocky falcon]

Thankies nwn! 💚 💙 What does IAD and dair means? I forgot it x>

[torpid ginkgo]

instant air dodge

when you use air moves on ground

[rocky falcon]

Btw; do you have any advice against Batman and Smith =0? I have losing shooo much against them and it makes me feel disappointed of myself TwT

[rocky falcon]

How I do that =000? Could you pretty please explain me? I'll be very grateful nwn

[finite sky]

Genuinely yes lmao

Like early Adventure Time energy right there

[rain nova]

So I was doing it right by trying to play Finn like a deranged maniac LOL

[finite sky]

Yes

[coral void]

the fact that so many finns play like this means more people might be able to counterplay it though, if you're getting womped don't be afraid to play more patient

[rain nova]

Yeah, I’ve learned that the hard way

You have to be more passive at times in 1v1s. Learned that from other games

Else imma just get baited by the same Marvin down air punish for the 5th time

[coral void]

IADs are really good for extending combos on him if you're not already doing that

[finite sky]

Yeah Finn benefits a ton from IAD

[rain nova]

Oh yeah I know a few IAD stuff that I use for jab, but doing some longer combos is a bit tricky for me at times

I’ve tried jab, jab, IAD, neutral air, jump, down air into air down special for instance

[torpid ginkgo]

sure

[idle turret]

Can also do a sair before the dair sometimes

[real zephyr]

I was taking a short break I gotta get back on

[solemn adder]

Those characters are very strong, best advice I have is to be patient and don’t rush your approach as you can die off of 1 interaction

[torpid ginkgo]

NEVER charge against a smith

your asking to be side special food

Smiths whole match up chart is how easily he cab jab you. So just dont. Use your swords range

Batman 90% of the time you just need to be the better player but try and play very carefully when he has batterang ready and dont panic mid air. Good Batmans like to glide and wait for a dodge so they can up special

[finite sky]

High five his baterang when you can ngl

They don’t seem to ever expect

[idle turret]

Id only do that if u have bmo ngl, high 5 is too slow

If u dont have BMO u can air side special to close the gap and potentially start something

[solemn adder]

yeah high 5 is very incosistent

also bmo can create the shockwave easier

[idle turret]

Bmo just all around better now

They killed my high 5💔

[solemn adder]

you can still get some funny kills with high 5 though bc of how it changes your momentum in the air

pretty decent mixup sometimes

[torpid ginkgo]

Give high five armor??!!

imagine

[real zephyr]

🦅🦅

[rocky falcon]

Thank you =3 I'll try to be more patient when is needed! I used to have that problem when playing Smash Ultimate hehe

[rocky falcon]

I didnt never noticed that =0 Thank you for the advice! 🩵

[rocky falcon]

That would be a good buff. That way I would feel less afraid of use it and be punsihed nwn

[idle turret]

I hate that it doesn't glide at all now

[solemn adder]

Real but it has a little momentum carry

[final bramble]

Excuse me, what is finn weaknesses to beat him?

[idle turret]

Who are you playing

[final bramble]

Tom and jerry

[idle turret]

Well i haven't played this patch much, but try and stay away, look out for side specials, keep ur jerry close and safe use corks if u need to

And try to cheese the finn as much as possible

[final bramble]

Thank you

[brittle haven]

takes no skill

same combo everytime

[torpid ginkgo]

just dont get hit

i can actually offer some advice tho if your willing to listen

[brittle haven]

dumbest shiiiit ive ever heard

no offense

[torpid ginkgo]

me when i troll

[brittle haven]

lmao

[coral void]

If you are losing to spam you are spamming a mistake 😌

unless it was losing to pre-nerfs ppg

[brittle haven]

@peak sage lmao

[coral void]

@peak sage do you know this clown?

[brittle haven]

clown? dont you play finn?

yea ok

[peak sage]

This clown has a higher iq than your entire bloodline lol

Spam doesn’t have attack decay or a lockout system bro

[coral void]

Imagine being so pathetic you call for backup in a character chat

[peak sage]

It’s not backup it’s just that your brain is so tiny that my bro called me in so I can have a laugh

If you can’t see that then it’s just embarrassing bro

[coral void]

you're just objectively wrong so stop typing attack decay exists and multiple moves have repeat use lockout

[peak sage]

I’ve played fighting games for since I was 4 and Jesus people can’t understand anything

[coral void]

played fighting games for 10 years and still loses to spam 😔

[peak sage]

I don’t lose to spam

Okay look imma explain to where even a 3 year old can understand this peep this in a minute

[coral void]

you don't even know attack decay still exists in the game take your clown car and shove off

[peak sage]

1 damage taken off

[coral void]

<@&882349260409032746>

go away

[peak sage]

Hit stun and knock back doesn’t get effected

It’s not my fault you don’t know how this game works

[brittle haven]

i just wanted him to see the fockery

idc what he says at that point

[coral void]

finn haters just constantly telling on themselves how bad they are at the game idk

[regal flicker]

Lets not get into an arguement further, Lets be mindful of what others save in a polite way.

[mighty cove]

Howdy Finn players

How y’all doing

[real zephyr]

Drama

[mighty cove]

Ah

Yknow I’m not a Finn player myself but I got hit by a crazy airwalker 50/50 against a Finn

[solemn adder]

Nice what was the combo

[solemn adder]

If a Finn is charging use Jerry/other projectiles. Your jab actually comes out faster than Finn’s so if your close you can beat his jab. Also if a Finn buys armored buns try to destroy it as fast as possible

[solemn adder]

Just don’t get hit

[mighty cove]

Might’ve been like up tilt up til up b or something

[solemn adder]

Yeah up tilt on air walker is pretty clean

[mighty cove]

Seems really good for 50/50s

[solemn adder]

Yeah it’s not bad at all. I still prefer last stand though bc Finn already has some good 50/50 in the air with said side special and uair

[idle turret]

why is a batman main calling anyone spammy lmao

[torpid ginkgo]

it exists just way weaker

[torpid ginkgo]

the spiderman pfp beef

[final bramble]

I'm thinking of having finn as a second main after tom and jerry, does his backpack spin got nerfed?

[finite sky]

Yeah, the perk backpack strength got a major nerf this patch

[brazen geode]

It's kinda funny, considering every ranked match I've played against a Finn, they no joke half the time or more, JUST ran from left to right on the stage swapping between grounded up special, and the occasional jab. 💀

I think it's because I was playing PPG? And they struggle to approach on the ground? Idk lol

[solemn adder]

Bro what Finn’s are you fighting that are randomly using backpack on the ground

[brazen geode]

Ranked bronze through gold. I mean, makes sense, I doubt I'd see it in platinum and above, but it's funny how often they'd use only grounded backpack spin. 😭

Tbh it made me wonder if I missed some kind of new combo, or something along those lines lol

[idle turret]

😭 that is rlly easy to punish

[brazen geode]

I KNOWWW! It whiffed almost every time, but they wouldn't stop trying. Idk why??? 😭

[idle turret]

Because they're in silver ig

[brazen geode]

Seems like it. Interesting that my teammate Finns never did that, tho. That's why I guess it's a PPG MU thing maybe?

[rocky falcon]

I did it! I finnaly did a IAD combo in practice room ='D!

I tried doing it in casual 1v1 but I kinda feel scared of failing x>

[idle turret]

Just remember failing is part of learning

[solemn adder]

Free ranked points for you then lol

[brazen geode]

It was, felt nice. Lmao

[finite sky]

Nice!

[rain nova]

I LOVE COMBOING HEAVY CHARACTERS

[still stirrup]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Bv-kBoS1iA&ab_channel=NoClippeRProductions

[torpid ginkgo]

finn

[finite sky]

Fern

[brazen geode]

Finn & Fern

[rain nova]

Could I get some advice

How can I make my approach as Finn less repetitive and how can I make his combos work more reliably? I feel like I’m just spamming the same jab combo over and over so it feels annoying to be stuck in neutral with no idea how to approach

Also does it seem like anyone can just dodge out of whatever cool combo I try to do? It’s annoying and I don’t know how to set up reads to keep attacking either

Like what other moves could I try to land and start some kind of combo off of

[torpid ginkgo]

jab simulator

but occasionally you hit a sair and do stuff with it

i can send a clip

[spare hatch]

Hello Finn mains id like to learn your character

[finite sky]

Gimme a sec I’ll give a brief guide in a bit

[finite sky]

Ok so jab is gonna be your big combo starter, it’s an amazing poking tool and oppressive when spaced properly. Your main combo starter is gonna be jab jab into either a tilt or an IAD

Finn is all about his oppressive combo game and keeping your momentum against your opponent

His disjointed tilts and jab are both insanely strong on offense and solid on defense

[torpid ginkgo]

we can chat for a bit if youd like

[spare hatch]

Yea sure

If you can now

[torpid ginkgo]

bet

[pastel blaze]

I finally learned IAD

[torpid ginkgo]

W

bros on the path of greatness now

[rain nova]

I landed the jab, jab, IAD, nair, jump, forward air, up special kill combo and I feel epic

[rain nova]

Should I get last stand perk for Finn or stick with movement speed boost

Man I honestly wish there was a triple jump perk

That would go crazy on a character like Finn

[torpid ginkgo]

last stand

[torpid ginkgo]

used to exist

[rain nova]

Think it would really be worth it? I thought Finn was more of a lightweight character and wouldn’t be able to survive long at 100% to make use of last stand

Usually I run it on heavy characters

[torpid ginkgo]

yep its always the answer

broken ass perk

use air walker for style

[finite sky]

Yes

Probably the best perk for Finn in that slot

[solemn adder]

last stand because weakened is the most broken status effect, especially on a character like finn

[rain nova]

Yeah okay I got the perk

Actually, what exactly does weakened do? Does it increase the damage you take?

[spare hatch]

Increase launch distance

[rain nova]

Ohhhh

[spare hatch]

Its stupid op

[rain nova]

Yeah I definitely see that when using Superman

[spare hatch]

I died at 50 one time

[rain nova]

Crazy

[spare hatch]

Legit wanted to take a break bc of that

They should tweak it tbh

[rain nova]

Yeah when i use superman with that effect I just spam his armored hard hitting attacks and my opponents just die

Honestly wouldn't be surprised if it did get adjusted later on

[spare hatch]

I literally spam my armor breaking moves on Supes

Brain off

[rain nova]

Makes sense lol

I feel bad for any Jason player I use Finn against

Bro is getting juggled for days

[spare hatch]

U think thats bad.i bully Jason with Bugs

[rain nova]

Oh god

I hate fighting bugs

[spare hatch]

Legit my punching bag

2k win Bugs btw

[rain nova]

Bugs is just insane

Why does he have a “set up a teleport across the stage” move

I don’t really know how to play him tho

[spare hatch]

Tbf he does require a brain to play (not a jab at you btw)

Unlike some characters

[rain nova]

Makes sense I guess

A lot of characters feel… gimmicky in this game

[spare hatch]

WW is just armor and swing thats it

[rain nova]

Yeah

WW is super easy, but at the same time I don’t think I find playing her that fun

[spare hatch]

TnJ are dead bc people could not punish a paddle

Well idk

At this point

[spare hatch]

She isnt at all

[rain nova]

I just feel bored playing her

[spare hatch]

I dont see how people find her fun

Her armor is annoying

[solemn adder]

increases knockback and damage

it also stacks too

really strong

[rain nova]

Yeah, up to 3 stacks

No wonder it’s so popular

[spare hatch]

I just run away from her if she has it on

[solemn adder]

its usually best in slot unless u are on a really slow character / one who dies too early

[rain nova]

Yeah

I tend to run it on tanks

But now I’ll try it on Finn too

[solemn adder]

i actually live to 100 alot on finn so its just free damage most of the time

[rain nova]

Finn is pretty fast so I guess he could probably try to avoid deadly hits at high percentage anyway and find an opening

I mean he can move and charge his tilts at the same time

[torpid ginkgo]

no he doesn’t ima be real

hes like top 3 most beginner friendly rn

[solemn adder]

He is easy but I can name like 5 other characters that are easier

[rain nova]

I think karma is hitting me because I’m getting bullied by his jab jab side special combo 😭

I don’t understand how he lands that so often

Am I spamming dodge at the wrong time

[final bramble]

Oh, didn't expect to see you

[jagged stream]

Even if the dash attack hits, the second stage often fails to hit. I think this is really bad.😢

[finite sky]

It’s odd

It’s super strong but if the first hit suctions them down from the air the second hit tends to not land

[jagged stream]

I see.
I'll be careful next time and act accordingly.

[finite sky]

👍

[solemn adder]

its a good move but it gets the dumbest drops sometimes

[coral void]

so this isn't just a me issue

[finite sky]

Nah

[terse wasp]

me when I lose games because dash attack 2 dropped :))

[rain nova]

Wish we could combo jab into dash attack

[torpid ginkgo]

that would be broken 😄

[rain nova]

But it would be so awesome

[real zephyr]

it isnt true but most people hold away when you jab so you can get a early kill by jab jab and dash attacking when they dodge away or hold the opposite way

[pastel blaze]

Does anyone have any combos with iad

[torpid ginkgo]

jab, jab, IAD nair, jump, sair 1, backpack

jab, jab, nair, jump boosted dair. More stuff afterwards

you can also double jab into nair some characters like Superman

jab, jab, down tilt, u tilt read

jab, jab, nair, jump boosted dair, BMO

[jagged stream]

Ah, another dash attack was a dud!
I've really really had enough of this.🤢

[rain nova]

One of my favorite things to do with Finn is try to land dash attack while the opponent is getting up from the stage wall

It’s funny when it connects but you have to space it right so the backpack lands on the edge as they climb up

[rain nova]

I got bullied by a Batman player 😞

This man is painful to fight

[idle turret]

He's top 3

[pastel blaze]

Top 1

Why is IAD so inconsistent

[rain nova]

It takes a decent bit of practice I think. Even I don’t do it properly all the time

Usually depends on the placement of your joystick when you dodge and the timing of when you input the aerial attack

[torpid ginkgo]

just takes practice

[karmic bane]

It's just practice but tbh sometimes I'm nervous and I fail it

[idle turret]

Nope

Well

Maybe

[finite sky]

Finn or Batman?

[idle turret]

Batman

[finite sky]

Oh

I’d say it’s a tie with Shaggy and Agent Smith

All three kinda fighting for top 1 imo

[solemn adder]

i think batman is better than smith

not sure about shaggy

[torpid ginkgo]

welp

we got f’ed over

[raven mica]

yea ggs

[pastel blaze]

[solemn adder]

[finite sky]

?

[torpid ginkgo]

backpack can’t multihit

[finite sky]

New update???

Did they say that?

[torpid ginkgo]

i saw it

in stream

[finite sky]

Bruh

[finite sky]

Do you have the time stamp

[torpid ginkgo]

yeah

39:23

watch the Finn

[finite sky]

NOOOO

WTF

WHAT IS THAT TRASH

COME ONNN

He was in a genuinely balanced state

This is why I don’t let the devs cook

Cmon dawg

[torpid ginkgo]

me and Finn mains are using this hashtag or make Finn great again

[finite sky]

Bet

[torpid ginkgo]

i got skemor on it

[finite sky]

I can’t with these decisions

Backpack already got a nerf

Now it’s straight up goofy

[pastel blaze]

I still can't seem to grasp what to do after I iad

I have to turn back or else it doesn't follow up on anything

[rain nova]

WHYYYYYY

[shadow condor]

Rip

[torpid ginkgo]

we fast now

[tender stirrup]

Finn can not longer multihit with backpack?THAT SUCKS

[raven mica]

Yea but we fast

[tender stirrup]

Who cares if you are fast if the character isn't fun enough, the ability is just now a generic and boring up special

[heavy quest]

yall wouldnt get nerfed if yall didnt try to 0 to death every second of the game

just play it normally

[tender stirrup]

Is not about being a 0 to death, is about the fun of the ability.

[heavy quest]

no its about being able to 0 to death and kill at 60

[tender stirrup]

Being a multihit does not have anything to do with that

[heavy quest]

"my move is fair now, so that makes my character trash"

yall are sadd

S tier to A tier

[raven mica]

nah they def could of probably still had it multi hit and take away the 0 to death

[tender stirrup]

^

Multi hit makes the ability unique

[heavy quest]

is it actually that big of a deal

[tender stirrup]

No it isn't, they could only reduce it's knockback

Stop being delusional about that

Multihit does not have anything to do with being 0 to death.

Its knockback does, its aerial momentum does, its double use during the air does.

[heavy quest]

can yall stop playing finn then

[tender stirrup]

That the attack doesn't changes Finn hitboxes does, that Finn abilities are designed into ladder combo does.

[heavy quest]

jesus

just dont play him

play a good character like stripe

[tender stirrup]

Out of arguments.

[torpid ginkgo]

why are you complaining your top 5

[heavy quest]

because FINN is broken

[tender stirrup]

No he isn't.

[raven mica]

Bro weren’t you complaining about your dynamite get nerfed 😭

[heavy quest]

ive been 0 to death when im winning too much times

[heavy quest]

No

what

what are you on about dude

just lying now?

[raven mica]

Pretty sure I saw you say something about the dynamite in gen

[torpid ginkgo]

he was mid A

[tender stirrup]

Finn doesn't have a true 0 to death, you are just readable. And if a Finn actually wins against you, they deserve that credit since those type of combo aren't that consistent.

[heavy quest]

it was literally 1-1, finn was at 130, i was at 50, got 0 to death, lost the set, was a top finn too, but FINN isnt broken

[torpid ginkgo]

strong

[raven mica]

But maybe it wasn’t complaining

[torpid ginkgo]

but not broken

[heavy quest]

No i did not

[fallow gorge]

all finn really had was the zero to death, he struggled doing much else outside of that

[heavy quest]

i was celebrating it

[fallow gorge]

im excited for these changes personally

[heavy quest]

thats the only thing that got nerfed

im fine with that

[fallow gorge]

especially the side b

[heavy quest]

@raven mica

[fallow gorge]

also it seems like the up slash is gonna be easier to combo uncharged and easier to kill fully charged

also dash attack fix yay!

i think jab side b combos are gonna go crazy, seems like a big change

and the up b despite the multihit removal, now does slightly increased knockback, so its a stronger finisher than before theoretically

defo gonna lab it with coins asap

[tender stirrup]

I think up special should be reworked into a snowball effect high damage ability instead of being a kill confirm.

[heavy quest]

i have a clip of me being 0 to death, 0 reads at all

[fallow gorge]

eh i dont really think that fits the move personally, it seems closer to meta knights tornado in smash ultimate now

[heavy quest]

youre just LYING

cant admit your character is broken

osakaos has 0 to death me many times aswell

[raven mica]

Wsp

[fallow gorge]

if anything the up b is an easier gimping tool now lol

[heavy quest]

is it true that Finn doesn't have a true 0 to death, and im readable.

i couldve sworn

the 0 to death you put me in

[tender stirrup]

This guy insists that the up special problem is being a multihit, instead of all the things I said above.

[heavy quest]

was true asf

[fallow gorge]

i think the problem with up b was the multihit combined with the ability to carry people to the blast zone

[raven mica]

the IAD nair to sair up special ?

[tender stirrup]

^

[heavy quest]

something with iads

i dont know yall combos

but it had a iad in it

[fallow gorge]

so by doing this change it keep its use similar but different enough to not be used as effectively in that scenario

[tender stirrup]

They could remove it's aerial movement. And that's all

[heavy quest]

and im pretty sure it was true

andi was di ing

[fallow gorge]

nah if they do that its makes his recovery worse

so idk

i see the vision though

[tender stirrup]

But they removed its aerial movement.

[raven mica]

Well the one ik works pretty much most of time but sometimes people di out

[tender stirrup]

Left and right

[tender stirrup]

This same patch.

[fallow gorge]

fair they did do that

[heavy quest]

yeah and no reads involved, so @tender stirrup just straight up lied to me

lol

thats funny

[tender stirrup]

Dude, this guy literally said people can di of it

[fallow gorge]

seems like finn just has to be a little closer to the stage rather that doing it super close to the blast zone

[heavy quest]

you said reads

not di

[tender stirrup]

Okay but my argument still up

[heavy quest]

and he said "sometimes" and he said it works most of the time

[fallow gorge]

seems likes itll make the grounded option a better kill confirm though

[heavy quest]

dudes a good finn too

he knows his combos

ion think he would agree with that

[tender stirrup]

A good finn playing against afk players . Is obvious the results.

[fallow gorge]

i wonder if side b into up b will be true now

[heavy quest]

im di ing bro

it just did work

that happens

sometimes it does

[raven mica]

I mean at the end of the day the back pack not being multi hit is whatever

Nair is gonna be better as well

[fallow gorge]

yeah nair is gonna be a better combo move

[tender stirrup]

Like yeah, but it wasn't the problem. Is just another and generic boring up special ability.

[fallow gorge]

idk im excited, especially with the speed increase + boots of speed

[tender stirrup]

There is no similar ability to Finn backpack, is unique

[raven mica]

Yea it does sucks they took it away

[fallow gorge]

i guess the one nerf we have to watch out for is that its worse against armor now

since its not multihit

armor killers gonna be worse on it now

[raven mica]

Yea did Jason’s armor thing get changed or is it still the same ?

[fallow gorge]

who knows maybe finns up b will kill earlier, cuz they just buffed the knockback after the nerf on backpack strength last patch

idk im just speculating lol

either way im optimistic

[tender stirrup]

The problem was the horizontal movement during the ability that made the 0 go death, not the multihit.

But they removed both so. . .

It's now boring.

[raven mica]

they gutted it pretty much we can move left and right now on the ground tho 😎😭

At least what ajax said

[fallow gorge]

you couldnt move left or right in the air in beta could you?

i dont remember

[raven mica]

Ima be honest I have no clue

[fallow gorge]

i wanna say he didnt but im not sure

[raven mica]

I only really used backpack on ground after jabs

[fallow gorge]

i used mostly on air dodge reads

[tender stirrup]

Another backpack problem is that it could be used two times in the air.

[fallow gorge]

im so excited for the down attack changes

praying it spikes on ledge like in beta

like

it was so infuriating watching it whiff

[raven mica]

I hope so

[fallow gorge]

seeing it more consistently connects plus moves farther gives me hope

[raven mica]

yea if it does I will be pretty happy because I’ve had it whiff a lot

[fallow gorge]

excited to lab the side b combos

idk I think this is a good direction for finn

really change up his gameplay cuz hes gotten pretty stale gameplay wise

[idle turret]

Stripe

[heavy quest]

stripe what

[idle turret]

U make it sound like stripe cant 0td

Or like stripe isn't top tier either

[heavy quest]

he isnt

top tier is top 10

[idle turret]

Lol and u think he aint top 10?

[heavy quest]

and you cant stripe 0 to death everywhere

it barely works

only on high %

not even a 0td

[idle turret]

U cant with finn either

[heavy quest]

He isnt 💀

[heavy quest]

maybe

[idle turret]

Its a 0td on light chars

[idle turret]

Ask a pro, character just top 4'd a tourney today so🤷‍♂️

[heavy quest]

doesnt make him a top tier 💀

[idle turret]

He's easily top 10 lmao

[heavy quest]

how

[idle turret]

Ur delusional if u think otherwise

[heavy quest]

like how is he top 10

doesnt make any sense

just lying

finn is a better characte r even after these "nerfs"

[idle turret]

Dynamite is a free crutch tool equivalent to ig burst, allowing him to escape combos the only downside being he cant trigger it manually, but he has the ability to wait for timer to go down enough then engage so if he messes up he cannot get severely punished for it, and if he succeeds his reward is amazing

[heavy quest]

dynamite has been nerfed

dynamite makes him top 10

thats crazy

just insanity

yall are terrible bro

[idle turret]

Character has great anti engage, and decent engage, he's strong overall, strong "loops" and can output great numbers

[idle turret]

Lol

Sure man

[idle turret]

Are we playing that patch rn?

[heavy quest]

yes

[idle turret]

Dynamite is absolutely ludicrous this patch lmao dont even💀

[heavy quest]

damage has been nerfed, hitbox has been nerfed, cooldown has been nerfed, literally EVERYTHING

[idle turret]

But we aren't currently playing that patch

I am talking about current live version of mvs

You're talking about a patch that comes out tomorrow

You can't know what it'll be like until you play it

We learned that from s3 launch

[heavy quest]

even then

the dynamite itself

dont make him top 10

[idle turret]

^

[heavy quest]

explain on them more

[idle turret]

Again just ask the ppl who actually place in tourneys

[heavy quest]

saying he has great anti engage and decent engage doesnt explain much

[idle turret]

They can tell u stripe is good

[heavy quest]

like ill wait for a vaid reason

[heavy quest]

hes high tier but not top 10

like bro

[idle turret]

Name ur top 10

[heavy quest]

this patch its : shaggy, batman, garnett, arya, superman, bugs, agent, tnj (mainly because of his 0td), finn, ig (because of loops and active hitbox)
(not in order)

[idle turret]

Garnet????????

Oh we're on coke

[raven mica]

😭

[heavy quest]

she has finn sair, steven nair, superman uptilt, everything bro

[idle turret]

She is also combo food

Lmao

[cold forge]

💀

[heavy quest]

i mean yes

finn has a good matchup against garnett

[idle turret]

Her combos and dmg output is rlly not all that once you learn how to fight her, just get the DI down, dont panic dodge and get early ko'd and she's not a problem lol

[heavy quest]

youre on finn

you can outrange her

play any other char

[idle turret]

And stripe cant?

[heavy quest]

not as much as finn dude

[idle turret]

That doesn't mean u cant

Garnet is not a problem, she can be strong but a lot of her gameplay is throwing ur useless cds off the stage so u can get better moves lmao

[heavy quest]

okay if not garnett then steven

lord

i just dont like garnet

thats why its MY top 10

[idle turret]

True, but there's other characters on that top 10 that stripe can take the place of

[finite sky]

I don’t see the point of the charge time change but I’m not entirely annoyed with the changes

At least I still have high five 🤷‍♂️

[rain nova]

I think we could learn to work with the changes but idk

[finite sky]

I mean I don’t mind the backpack change as much as others

Moreso the tilt and high five charge time changes if anything

[snow schooner]

Charge time change is ridiculous in my opinion. I understand the first change from 4 seconds to 1.5 more. I still felt it was a little too much of a downgrade but now they keep just making it shorter. Kinda dumb…

Whatever tho I guess

[finite sky]

At least leave high five at 1.5

I guess I can see jab and up tilt but at least they gave compensation for down tilt going further

[snow schooner]

Yeah cus honestly down tilt was really mid, and the only reward for using it was armour breaking. Other wise I would find myself not using it much. Honestly instead of nerfing some good moves they should make more reward for using moves people neglected.

[rain nova]

It used to be 4 seconds???? Crazy

Tbh I don't really know why they would reduce the charge time from 1.5 to 1.25 for honestly

[finite sky]

Yup

It was fine at 1.5

[idle turret]

Finn is pretty good

[rocky falcon]

Finn feels shooo good now 🥺 💝

[brave spade]

hate the new backpack if they want to make it a one hit attack the animation should be shorter like half a turn so we don't waste so many frames not hitting and spinning for nothing, leaving us as an easy target spining around. finn is a very light character so every hit counts

[glad badge]

Backpack feels weird now but side special having less endlag on hit really helps

[coral void]

it feels VERY UNGOOD to have people dodging through the entire backpack move now.

[shadow condor]

he has no kill power now💀 and because they dropped the frames by 10

yeah he doesn’t have anything

they dodge the whole backpack move, the bag backpack hit them in any direction it feels so sloppy

Aii cause his perks themselves are pretty bad so CAN YALL PLEASE BEG THE COMMUNITY TO GET FINN COIN BACK?? as a sign perk😔😔

[finite sky]

They got rid of the down special shop perk??

I mean I guess at least he’s faster now??

But I feel like he was fast enough already

Just make his speed buff faster

Maybe we’ll actually consider buying it then lmao

[shadow condor]

no they didn’t it just doesn’t help his character as much since he’s ten times slower just keep perk shop and make dair a perk

[finite sky]

Oh

[rain nova]

I don’t like how he feels to play now man 😭

[heavy quest]

he needs another nerf

i still got 0 to death

this character needs to be removed

played 5th grandmaster finn, he was at 130, i was at 50-70, and then i DIED

this character shouldnt be in this game

[torpid ginkgo]

shut yo ass up

your on stripe

[heavy quest]

?

and

worse than finn

[torpid ginkgo]

still better

your character was top 5 pre patch

and probably still is

[heavy quest]

"stripe" "top 5"

LOL

[torpid ginkgo]

yes

ask most actually good players

aka people who place top 8s

[heavy quest]

stripe not top 10

he top 15

[torpid ginkgo]

🧢

me when someone lies on the internet

[rain nova]

Have Finn’s combo strings been changed since the patch? Feel like some of the combos I do with him aren’t working right now

[finite sky]

Probably

[vast moth]

hey i'm trying to pick finn up again after the patch, haven't really played him much since back in the beta when he still had the gem... any tips on what i'm supposed to do in the air now? i can absolutely tear people up if they stick to the ground, but once i'm in the air/offstage/etc i can't really find any offensive or defensive options that work very well

[finite sky]

Use your aerials to glide in the air, up air is a good one to just spam to make yourself kinda float a bit. Nair is an amazingly fast armor breaker that’s good as a get off me tool or a combo ender to some extent. Sair 1 and 2 are overall very good, holding sair 2 and fast falling also lets you glide across the ground a bit before releasing it. Up air is another extremely fast move that can kinda work as an anti air, though that falls much more towards up tilt. Dair is a good spiking move and overall strong. Use backpack stomp if you find yourself in a situation where you wanna spike the opponents a second time after using dair already and they’re still alive, or if you’re falling through the air with little to no other options while the opponent is underneath of you

[late aurora]

So what is the general consensus fellas? how bad is finn hurt? does he still have any close 0TD?

[spare hatch]

Finn mains whats happening

[jagged stream]

The movement is now much tighter than it was before the app.

/Ground forward dodges that do not successfully dodge an attack now have an additional 10 frames of recovery before the fighter can perform another action; recovery lag on successful dodges is unchanged

Is this because of this?🤔

[finite sky]

No idea

Can’t get into the game

[brave spade]

the backpack changes are weird when we are talking about finns playstyle now is a one hit but the animation is the same as before so if you dont hit them youll be spinning for nothing, and if you hit them you will launch the enemy away from finn, the speed of the character was improved among other little things, and time for charging the normal ground skills is now 1.25seconds, is not that bad but my fear is that they took the bagpack and gave us a little advantage in terms of speed now, but no one can ensure that they wont nerf all of this buffs and left us slow af and with no backpack special.

[finite sky]

Literally

I feel like it should be like 2 rotations at most and then stop, and flings a coin just so ppl can’t keep complaining about Finn backpack being op

But it takes away so much of his identity

A combo heavy anti zoner that has no combo enders besides dodge/DI read high five is a bit odd

Like it’s what I personally do as my playstyle so it doesn’t affect me as much but still

It’s just weird having tons of strong combos and then just having no way to kill besides a lucky stray hit

[brave spade]

yep, I think they are changing things for all the people complaining about fin, when finn is a light assassin we should be able to explode that side of the character as it was and with a good speed, because finn is very light and easy to ring out every time we miss we get vulnerable to be ring out the stage, when it takes us to deal 160 180 damage to be able to launch a mid heavy opponent out of the ring.. I played with other characters and they feel way easier to fight with, but i dont enjoy the playstyle.. while comparing my knowlage/results I can say that with finn its a lot harder to win matches (not hard to make some damage) hard to dont get ring out with 60 damage by jason, shaggy, leborn, banana guard, wonder woman and so on..

we only have a little advantage with very slow characters being played for people that are not pro players.

[manic mural]

finn is horrible now

[karmic bane]

He literally has like 2 0TD wdym horrible lol

He's even better than before

[solemn adder]

no hes not hes very good

[pastel blaze]

Ngl Finn is actually amazing now

He feels much better and smoother

I can reliably combo into a lot more stuff

My only complaint is the backpack feels weird

[torpid ginkgo]

i dont like it

[shadow condor]

ngl idk what rank yall are wit finn but im kinda high and he’s not good bro💀

like this isn’t even funny, yeah he had 2 0TD but his jab is bad, the 10 frame drop makes his attack so slow. You can’t dodge into having a attack which is so crazy to me because it’s way more difficult to start combos against good comp

against faster characters it’s literally impossible to get a decent combo off a combo starter so being a “anti zoner” makes no sense because he literally has no jab at all. he can only attack in the air and yes he’s floaty but dodging into another move kills the combo easily

And why am i still fighting ppl in silver 2 how does that make sense

[solemn adder]

im diamond 5 rn bc ive been playing rick

finn is definitely not bad

[finite sky]

Genuinely backpack would be fine if the multiple rotations would cancel once you land the hit

Like it’s practically a disadvantage state move

[karmic bane]

Literally flacoco, the best finn of all release, the one who is always placing on tournaments says he is top 5 and usually he doesn't talk that good about finn

And btw it's funny that you say "against faster characters" when Finn rn it's faster than ever lol, also, my rank is gm #42 ;)

[heavy quest]

Finn got buffed, still has 0tds

[torpid ginkgo]

hes good

just not fun imo

[shadow condor]

ur gm 42 and u main finn?

[broken kindle]

ngl they should change the backpack animation to just be one 360 instead of multiple cause the other hits don't ever hit so yeh

[coral void]

it should at least go into endlag on hit why does finn need to have the most punishable move on the planet now

[broken kindle]

it's punishable but after a whole day of playing for now people rarely go for the punish but I feel like when finn gets his boots his miss dodge delay should be cut to 5 frames from 10 cause if someone just doesn't attack and you get a miss read you get comboed into oblivion now but I get your point they should do that

also fr they should fix the animation

[rain nova]

Can I have help with fighting Taz as Finn

I feel dumb for not knowing how to fight a rushdown character despite also playing another rushdown character

[brave spade]

with taz you must stay focused for the side and up special, with the side jab if you are precise you can cancel the side special of taz just hiting him with the tip of the sword (Sweet spot) after that just buy speed and try to cancel his special movements but not with specials, with normal quick attacks (dont forget that you must hit first if you both hit at the same time he'll have the advantage)

[torpid ginkgo]

you camp

jab beats nado

Side special beats it

BMO beats dog pile

don’t let him mess you up off stage

[void nova]

Anyone have an updated Finn guide

Combo guide etc

[void nova]

Backpack beats tornado and dogpile

Trades with Dogpile but favors you

You don't get knocked back at all

[rain nova]

You mean up special?

[void nova]

Yeah

[rain nova]

Hm okay

[void nova]

Check dms

[karmic bane]

No but we know flacoco is working on one so, let's just wait and you are going to have the best guide of the char

[idle turret]

Wellll

I wouldn't say best, but it'll probably be good enough

[karmic bane]

I haven't seen a single Finn guide and probably every other is just low effort tbh

[idle turret]

Ive seen like 1 good one

But i doubt id be able to find it myself i got linked it last time

[rain nova]

Since the launch trajectory of forward air 1 sends people a little more downward now, could you use it to combo into down air? Been experimenting with it in training mode and it seems to work

[idle turret]

Yeah you could do that before aswell

It's more consistent now, but still not gonna happen every time

[old hull]

True Finn mains know he is more broken now

[idle turret]

Sky is blue

But the funny part is, there's a good chance he isn't even top 3

This patch embraced the mickey

[rain nova]

Hit platinum with finn! 😀

[idle turret]

We're absolutely broken this patch

[idle turret]

#combos message

Finn combos

[finite sky]

Backpack change aside Finn is amazing rn

You can finally end combos with dair now

You get legit get kill confirms off jab at 100 near the edge of the stage

[rain nova]

Man these are some crazy combos

How do you that side switch dodge into fair or jab thing? That’s pretty sick

[idle turret]

jab 1-2 iad reverse sair dodge jab

[rain nova]

Thanks, I definitely gotta practice these

Honestly one of my favorite things about Finn is how it feels like you can just improvise a combo off a hit whenever

[idle turret]

Yeah he has a lot of routes and you can usually follow di easily

[fallow gorge]

how do I deal with the morty mu im so tired of him

[idle turret]

Side special

Morty MU is +2 for us

Just side special everything

[torpid ginkgo]

and don’t blindly charge into dirt

remember when Morty MU sucked for us?

lol

[idle turret]

cant remember a time that never was

[fallow gorge]

What's the easiest way to get around mudwall in your guys' opinion. I think that's what I'm struggling with the most

[idle turret]

Go over it lol

Dirt looks hard to deal with until u realise he's locked in the attack and u can jump over it to get to him

[fallow gorge]

u have a point lol, i guess im just so used to trying to keep finn on the ground that i forgot LMAO

[torpid ginkgo]

jump

like if you jump he’s screwed

you ran faster than dirt now

[fallow gorge]

did the speed buff affect his air speed as well?

but yeah as simple as that advice is I really appreciate it lol

[torpid ginkgo]

on acceleration yes

also if you buy armor vs morty or gizmo they cant do literally anything

same for IG

armor beats IG burst

[fallow gorge]

oh shoot i had no idea it did that

keeping that in mind thx

[torpid ginkgo]

it beats basically everything

beats steven bomb ect

[fallow gorge]

wow yeah ill keep that in mind, had no idea it negated those moves

[idle turret]

Used to beat his nair too

[torpid ginkgo]

when the game was sigma

[idle turret]

S1 was not sigma

[real zephyr]

Multiversus sigma?!

Like that's ever gonna happen

[torpid ginkgo]

sigma bc finn nair

[coral void]

remember when the patch notes said dash attack was gonna follow more consistently

[idle turret]

It has been for me

[coral void]

maybe slightly but it feels like placebo when it just doesn't

[finite sky]

It does lol

[shy dagger]

hello

i am very new to finn

how is his gameplan and his bnbs?

[torpid ginkgo]

jab into DEATH

basically any tilt or IAD has a purpose