Finn The Human

[finite sky]

Finn all together is a tech chasing combo character

So him having that makes sense actually

[solemn adder]

true, i think honestly gizmo would be fine if he couldnt dodge out of it

i think the fact that he can charge the arrow and doesnt have to commit to it is a bit strong

[random charm]

it is unironically impossible to beat finn, I have no idea what to do
he can infinitely charge his ground moves and they come out instantly so you can't get in on him or anything unless you have some kinda auto dodge cheat or something
how do you fight finn

[solemn adder]

the best way to fight him is whiff punish jab 2 as it has more lag than just jab 1. you also want to get him above you as he is weak when he has to attack people beneath him. make sure you mix up your dodges and your landings to punish his charge moves

[random charm]

definitely one of those easier said then done things
like should I just run away if he's charging a move or what lol

[solemn adder]

depends on what character you are playing

if u have a character with projectiles running can be good because he cant dodge while charging

just becareful for his side special which destroys projectiles

[random charm]

well naturally right now I've been playing Jack cus he's new pff
I was able to time his counter right a few times in a match but still lost out to charged move

[solemn adder]

Jack actually has better range on some of his moves then Finn so you can actually punish the charge with good spacing unlike other characters

[random charm]

I guess I still need to figure that spacing out
doesn't help that so often everyone else seems to know my exact frame data and dodge it perfectly ;w;
sometimes I'm convinced my copy of multiversus is personalized and holds me back lol

but yeah, finn is just, sure is somethin
things that work for other people never seem to work for me when I play him

[solemn adder]

jack is actually similar to finn in the fact that they both have pretty weak disadvantage states and a weakness below

if u have good spacing and keep the finn in disadvantage u will destroy impatient finns who just rush in all the time

[solemn adder]

finn is one of those characters where u want to find what your character has agaisnt him and just abuse it all game

[random charm]

also I'm so glad I'm getting actual advice, in my head I expect people to just say "skill issue" all the time cus its a big public server for a fighting game
but I guess it helps that I'm not just complaining and am asking for help pfft

[solemn adder]

if u have good timing your jab can actually beat finns jab and that will give you a combo

[solemn adder]

yea usually if u just say some character needs to be nerfed no one will help you

[random charm]

seems about right yeah hah

[fast jacinth]

This character is a 1 trick

[wheat wren]

^

[finite sky]

If you’re using Jack, forward tilt uncharged is actually a great poking tool against Finn

[viral siren]

Be like me and forget how to play Finn

[random charm]

when I first started playing MVS in the beta I went for finn, since I was playing the game cus "hey, I know adventure time" but he never stuck for me
altho I still play a few games as him, I mean they gave me a cool varient so I gotta pfft

[finite sky]

I literally picked him up day one

I made sure to do the twitch thing so I could play a week early

Immediately bought him

Never dropped him since, love this guy to death through thick and thin man

[random charm]

I ended up going for bugs once I unlocked him
but I was also trying out characters as they dropped, so lebron as soon as he happened cus I did get that early beta

[viral siren]

I hope Jake gets similar to how he was in the beta one day so Finn and Jake players can have synergy again

As God intended

[random charm]

the canon duos gotta have that good synergy or else whats the point

[finite sky]

Fr

Help bro

Why did they give his punch a hurtbox

You can literally die to an up tilt from fully charged punching them from midway map

My friend that mains Superman literally just spams up tilt when I play Jake against him and I SOMEHOW GET HIT BY PUNCHING HIM 😭

I mean it’s crazy specific but still yeesh

[random charm]

this game just
it sure is something sometimes

[finite sky]

Legit perfect way to describe the game lol

[random charm]

so many things that I wish worked differently
like marvin suffering from phantom projectiles, or the 100s of times the game said "dodged" but I still got hit by that move

please video game, please!

[finite sky]

Multi hits be screwing me over

Also ALL OF BUGS AERIALS

I swear that bunny is hitting me from ALASKA TO NEVADA

[random charm]

god I wish I was hitting people from that far as bugs bunny

[finite sky]

Because these aerials should not be this prioritized

Neutral air literally changes directions seemingly instantaneously

Side air is just fast

Down air is actually kinda meh

But good golly that up air

[random charm]

theres a lot of weird priority issues
one thing I also hate is hitting someone but their hitbox still comes out even tho I interrupted them

[finite sky]

Literally hits in front of him, above him, and behind him

And I’ve TESTED this

And will always send you up

[random charm]

on the topic of finn btw
this happened to me against one
#clips message

this video game

[finite sky]

Lmao

[random charm]

the thing is, I might not be remembering right, but this was never an issue in the beta

so much that just seems to have sadly gotten worse, hopefully it'll all get figured out

[finite sky]

Yeah servers legitimately got worse sadly

I legit can’t recall a single disconnect in all of the beta

[random charm]

even the new stuff, for every good change, a, well not bad but more just, weird one seems to take its place, depends

like event xp from battles instead of daily missions and the events are weekly, with a metal for a skin, good change
and then they buffed some top tiers that have been very oppressive, like why did you do that

[torpid ginkgo]

I beat LostGriff guys

[south karma]

Hell yeah

Actually struggling to keep finn as my main. This game making me play every character for quests gets me out of the finn zone

[torpid ginkgo]

just ignore them like I do

the Finn grind never ends

[south karma]

Yeah thats tough though when I want to progress and dont play every day

Any tips on the jack matchup?

[torpid ginkgo]

feels similar to Smith imo

kinda hard to get in but once you do you can dominant

dont blindly charge at Jack or Smith

[south karma]

I feel like when the good ones hit me once they just dont let go

[torpid ginkgo]

like 2 out of the 3 characters that out melee range you

Jack is pretty laggy on whiff so make an opening when he misses

[south karma]

Gotcha

You got a matchup clip i could watch?

[torpid ginkgo]

not really

i could do some 1v1s to demonstrate tho

my Jack isnt great lol

[solemn adder]

DI bro

its not true

i dont have one. anything after uptilt is not true if u di away usually

u can also just dodge down and away as well so most finns never dodge read

[glossy cove]

baseball

[heavy solstice]

Whats the best D-i against a fin no bad awnsers like just go away cause that retarted

[finite sky]

DI in

DI in and then dodge away, basically DI one way and dodge the other right before they attack

Then mix it up and dodge the same way you DI’d

Basically don’t ever dodge the same way more than like twice, once they find your dodge pattern it’s read combo city

[heavy solstice]

im just talking abot the zero to death

[finite sky]

Which moves in particular?

Cause from what I know he doesn’t have any true zero to death

[brazen sedge]

He's probably talking about that combo that brings you up for him to knock you out with his backpack

[finite sky]

Ah yeah, makes sense

Against backpack honestly dodging up and down air is the best option

To avoid the apparently “super strong” vacuum effect

[wheat wren]

This character so lame lol same sht over and over

[finite sky]

Same argument can be made for half the cast

[solemn adder]

i disagree with the DI in because usually DI in allows for nair to connect if u DI away and down most of the combos will drop

[finite sky]

Well yes but I’m mostly thinking of continuing with aerial side special

Cause if they do that all the time it’s easy for Finn to lock on to them

[solemn adder]

with side special?

[finite sky]

Oh 👍

Side special yeah lol

[solemn adder]

if they are using that u just dodge and get a free punish

[finite sky]

True

[solemn adder]

if u DI in you will die to the most common zero to death 90% of time

[finite sky]

I’m just used to that not working I guess

[solemn adder]

i actually usually keep doing DI out reads so the person i am playing against so i condition them to DI in

then i get my free 0td

[finite sky]

I literally base all combos on dodge reads now

I just chain dodge read punishes and then finish the stock off

[solemn adder]

yeah i usually like using the bread and butter jab jab uptilt and catching air dodges as well for a free 0td

[stable ferry]

I've come here to say that unfortunately you're all glue eaters

[rough valve]

only dodging down, some Finn will do another backpack spin to ensure the kill. dodging down might give u a chance to kill him and there is not much he can do about it

[finite sky]

Fair point

I’m just saying that for the fact that the vacuum effect might still hit you underneath of him

But I’ve never had someone try it so I’m not sure

[rough valve]

"dodging down might give u a chance to kill him"- inspired by my gameplay

I did get kill for doing the backpack spin too high

[finite sky]

Some advice to you Finn mains:USE NORMAL HIGH FIVE MORE

Especially against characters like Rick or Marvin that rely on their projectiles a lot of the time

It can help a whole ton because people tend to forget Finn’s neutral special reflects projectiles

Also if you see someone is using bouncerang perk before the game starts, there’s an 80% chance he’ll start with baterang

So just high five it

[desert ore]

what are finn's true combos?

[finite sky]

Jab jab into any of his tilts

Or jab jab IAD any aerial

Those are most his true combo, the truly crazy Finn combos are off of dodge reads to extend the combo more

[desert ore]

any zero to deaths?

what's true after up tilt?

[solemn adder]

nothing is true because he has no true zero to deaths

almost anything after nair is true though so with dodge read u can zero to death after landing nair

[finite sky]

It’s all dodge reads

Which is why people that say “I hate Finn cause of Zero to Death” have a decently predictable dodge pattern most likely

[wheat wren]

Bro it’s all a lie I’ve tried every DI and dodge. He should be removed from the game and fixed like iron giant was. 0 fun to fight against this character fishing for stupid long range jabs and holding charge moves. Un fun and lame character

[candid rain]

You play banana guard

[stable ferry]

Lmfaoo

[wheat wren]

If you play Finn your opinion on other characters is nothing

Sorry

[candid rain]

You play Banana Guard

lol

[wheat wren]

You scared of a mid tier character?

[candid rain]

Banana Guard just isn't fun to play against

At all

Regardless of how good he is

[wheat wren]

You play ez mode Finn. Not fun to play against fishing for jab all game

[candid rain]

But he also has a winning MU against my character which makes it even less fun

[candid rain]

I don't play Finn

lol

I hate finn too but you play Banana Guard

[wheat wren]

Crying about a mid tier rofl

[candid rain]

You're crying about a mid tier

The 0td isn't even true btw

Just dodge out lol

[wheat wren]

Oh ya Finn mid tier rofllll cope

[candid rain]

All you have to do is dodge

[wheat wren]

Even without 0td miss my ass lollll

Credibility gone

You have yet to state who you play btw

So I can say lol you play x character

[candid rain]

Velma

[wheat wren]

Ya ok

[bronze venture]

...Why is baseball finn even in the medal shop if you can't buy him with a medal? ._.

[stable ferry]

Yeah that kinda sucks

[stable ferry]

Nor is he fun to play lmao

Actual worst character in the game in terms of fun

I have more fun playing like velma or something

[candid rain]

Sair > sair > sair > sair > sair > sair 🗣️

[finite sky]

Mfs when they get dodge read and combo extended

Just stop dodging so predictably

[finite sky]

How am I in Gold 3 getting matched with platinum and bronze players 😭

[random charm]

all these finn players
worst people to fight

[finite sky]

Arya Gizmo Harley Shaggy Black Adam Joker Samurai Jack:

[solemn adder]

You don’t know how to di then 😭

[rocky stream]

Can wait for Finn to get nerfed 🤤

[finite sky]

Can?

Are you saying you don’t want him to be nerfed?

Cause if you do rare MVS player W

[rocky stream]

Yeah cuz first i am waiting for the Ww nerf

But after that i want Finn nerfed

[finite sky]

😔

[rocky stream]

Not a big one

Just to make him fair lol

[finite sky]

Ok that’s understandable lol

[rocky stream]

Its not even his 0 to death

His jab is just too good

[finite sky]

He doesn’t have any true ones

Just dodge read combo extensions

But yeah his jab has insane reach

I’m pretty certain it goes further than Jacks

Even though jacks kick hitbox is literally extended past his foot

[rocky stream]

Insane reach and unpunishable on miss

[rocky stream]

Me too

[finite sky]

Wouldn’t even mind it getting nerfed, doesn’t effect me all too badly

Half the stuff in the game doesn’t even need nerfs

Just fix its hitboxes

To be consistent and actually match the attack

Cough cough Tom and Jerry down air cough cough

[rocky stream]

Dude Tom and Jerry is worst than Morty

Because Morty has dirt right?

But T&J has a entire moveset 😭😭

[finite sky]

Exactly

[rocky stream]

That is annoying

[finite sky]

I swear he’s the least fun character to fight against

Along with Marvin

[rocky stream]

True

[finite sky]

Not even fun for the matchup experience it’s just straight up boring

[rocky stream]

Dude i hate Jerry he should die at 2 hits

Or 1

Why does he take so much dmg to die

[finite sky]

Well if he died fast the character would kinda stink

I’d say get rid of the stupid cork

Or only give him 1

[rocky stream]

Idk man they should just like rework him or smth

Make him fair

[finite sky]

He doesn’t need a free defense option while Tom spams tennis balls

Just force him to sit there with either one or no corks

The Tom should have to fishing rod him back

Instead of just spam nair so Jerry defends himself

[rocky stream]

And Toms jab is away better than much bruisers out there 😭

[finite sky]

Dawg I swear it reaches more than Finn sometimes

I’ll jab him during his jab and I get hit somehow

[rocky stream]

Yeah man, he goes so much far

Like wtf is that up attack that u get hit even if u not on it

[finite sky]

Actually

Why did they give it a hitbox in front of him??

It does not need a vacuum effect when he can actively just run away instead of being whiff punished

[rocky stream]

Idk??? Make it more annoying than already is???

[rocky stream]

Yeah lol

Its not like he cant just move or smth

[finite sky]

Exactly

Like I asked the Tom and Jerry channel and they said he’s fun and well designed

But that must be a one way experience

Cause he is NOT fun or well designed to fight against

[rocky stream]

Fun and Tom&Jerry at the same sentence? What is happening

[finite sky]

lol

I could see him being fun for the person playing him

Same for maybe like Arya and possibly Marvin

But he not fun in the slightest to fight

When the counter play is sit on the other side and wait for them to mess up

[rocky stream]

Dude, talking about Arya, i still dont get it why does her down attack costs like half a dodge thing

Its so op

Its her only issue tbh

Should cost half a dodge bar idk

[finite sky]

It’s literally a dodge attack without being a dodge attack

Which I’m guessing is the point but seriously??

They couldn’t make it cost like 1-2 bars instead of half of one

When it goes through like everything and sends you back?

With no whiff punish whatsoever

It’s like if Harley’s down tilt was back at release

[rocky stream]

Yeah man and the worst part is that Arya wasnt nerfed once

[finite sky]

Find out how Arya didn’t get nerfed (Harley mains hate her!)

[coral fog]

does finn even have a losing matchup?

[finite sky]

Gizmo

Cannot hit that mf behind his umbrella or bow

[coral fog]

that character is still ridiculous

[finite sky]

Umbrella is the most weird launching move ever

It still launches after the initial launch and he’s moving at like .2 MPH

[solemn adder]

i think jerry has like ten health so you just gotta find a fast double hitting move or a high damage move

same with gizmos car i think

[solemn adder]

most are even or in his favor

[finite sky]

Fully charged high five

Or BMO

Side special is crazy useful

[solemn adder]

i think fully charged nuetral attack is good too

[finite sky]

Gets rid of the projectiles, hits Jerry, pushes Tom back

[solemn adder]

i just use double side special

[finite sky]

I use jab side special

[solemn adder]

i normally use double side special bc it gets rid of the projectiles and i can cancel out of them easier

[coral fog]

thats wild

finn has one of the best MU charts in the game

[solemn adder]

true i think its because he has alot of available options to most scenarios

[barren steppe]

Jack has crazy reach compared to Finn. Maybe not that crazy but it’s enough to notice. And I believe jack is faster.

[solemn adder]

he will win the jab fight if u dont whiff punish

[barren steppe]

What I will say is that playing on PC vs CON makes a slight difference to me. Especially if you’re wired in. I win like 5 games or more back to back when I play on my pc vs my ps5. Both wired.

[barren steppe]

Facts I learned that early. Lol

[solemn adder]

i would say when you get the whiff punish get the jack into the air with your uptilt and ur fine

[warm jetty]

Finn should be nerf on his grounded game, and keep his aerials, tbh his 0 to deaths are fine you can always di and mix for him, but i dont like his spammy gimmick

[shadow condor]

bro every character is spammy, tbh if finn’s damage was buffed a lil bit then i think he’d be perfectly balanced

[finite sky]

The problem is if you get rid of Finn’s speed he kinda loses everything he has going for him that makes him the fun combo character he is, which would make him just a worse Harley or Arya. If anything maybe decrease his overall damage a bit to make combo extensions his main thing

[fiery magnet]

does anyone else feel like the knockback when trying to ringout is biased when playing as finn?

[solemn adder]

no

[finite sky]

Not really lol

[barren steppe]

Kinda depends I have clips where you would ask yourself wtf like the opponent should be dead offscreen and everything but nope. Mainly IG!

Mostly I would agree with the others tho I don’t have this problem.

[wheat wren]

I mean everyone is worse than Arya so there’s that

[finite sky]

True

[torpid ginkgo]

bro comes in here everyday just to complain

try meditating

[finite sky]

Lmao

[echo terrace]

What are good finn IAD combos

[finite sky]

Jab jab IAD side air up tilt jump and dodge read with side special up air

Womp womp

[echo terrace]

Damn no nair?

[finite sky]

You could nair

Nair*

But it’s DI able sometimes

[echo terrace]

Fair enough

[finite sky]

Usually it’s better to nair as a dodge read after the up tilt

[echo terrace]

I see

Also as a general finn question do you guys have to dodge read twice to combo extend

[finite sky]

Meh, you can extend off a hard read

I tend to do two

Just for the damage rack up

And to waste their dodge meter

[echo terrace]

Aight thanks bro

[barren steppe]

Baseball Finn is slightly bigger in size. I wonder does that change his hitbox. He looks better bigger tho.

[coral void]

if they don't fix fern's load in animation soon imma mcfreakin lose it

[finite sky]

lol his left foot being stiff?

[coral void]

literally unplayable

[finite sky]

I noticed it instantly lmao

I dunno how they went from one Fern glitch to too

Two*

His sword still doesn’t turn around when facing left

Wasn’t even a problem back in beta

[coral void]

at least he has his unique ringout sounds back

[finite sky]

Yeah

[coral void]

i will need more fern account cosmetics as compensation for this egregious set of ongoing errors

[finite sky]

lol

Can’t wait for the Fern announcer

It was leaked a while ago on YT

I just need a Fern pfp and I’ll have all fern stuff finally

[coral void]

not supposed to talk about leaks g. don't forget a fern banner (don't say use tree fort i want green knight legendary banner)

[finite sky]

Do they ban you for it or something?

[coral void]

You'll get timed out probably

[finite sky]

Dang

I should probably stop blabbering about those then lol

[coral void]

crying shame if his green knight form gets no rep. he could even be a rift boss in the future would be kinda cool

[finite sky]

It would

But if anything they’d probably do Ice King, the Lich, Marceline, or maybe Abadeer

Hunson*

[coral void]

poison ivy themed rift set where one of them involves trying to get fern away from her while he's coping like NO I WANT TO BE HERE GO AWAY I DON'T NEED SAVING

and then fern and arya kiss

[finite sky]

Wut

[coral void]

happy ending

[finite sky]

Why arya??

[coral void]

why not

why velma and finn?

you know velma and finn were macking that's why jason showed up

[finite sky]

Gizmo was there too tho

[coral void]

gizmo was just chillin

that's howie mandell we're talking about

[torpid ginkgo]

weird

[coral void]

wacky you mean

[finite sky]

Oh wassup Coffee

[torpid ginkgo]

being the GOAT

[finite sky]

Goat of what?

[torpid ginkgo]

im #2 Finn

only behind chance_805

[coral void]

oh based gotta update your name then

[torpid ginkgo]

the true master of thw sword

[finite sky]

Flacoco?

[torpid ginkgo]

got nothing on chance the goat

[coral void]

chance gets so angry bro

[finite sky]

😔

[torpid ginkgo]

love it when he uses high five in air for approach

such a sigma play

[torpid ginkgo]

He’s nerfing himself to keep it fair

the tournament he was in was obviously righed

[finite sky]

Why in the world would you do this

That’s like a beta Finn strat

[torpid ginkgo]

bc hes pro

[finite sky]

The amount of easy to dodge that is is insane

[torpid ginkgo]

he also charges doen tilt in neutral

pro strats

[finite sky]

???

[torpid ginkgo]

(im lying)

[finite sky]

Oh

[torpid ginkgo]

yeah chance is goofy

[coral void]

I was about to say i never seen him do this so i need to know more lmao

[torpid ginkgo]

hes an interesting player

[finite sky]

Like he’s not bad but bros strats are looney

[torpid ginkgo]

will ironically charge you with high five

[finite sky]

Mf is not dodge reading me

[torpid ginkgo]

New pfp

[finite sky]

Cool

[coral void]

finn lookin like a FRANK rn

🌭

cylindrical....

[solemn adder]

i beat chance and he got so mad lmao

[solemn adder]

nah hes pretty bad

[south karma]

Anyone have advice for the marvin matchup?

Got worked by a marvin and IG in locals

[torpid ginkgo]

just try and play it patient

a lot of Marvins will throw out a projectile and follow behind it. Trying to bait you to bash it and punish with down tilt. Dont fall for it. Take your time and punish down tilt with a dash attack and then beat the hell out of him. Once your in on him he has nothing

armoed buns also helps a lot

[south karma]

Gotcha, yeah i was avoiding doing side special. I can beat Marvin on ladder but this guy was a whole other level

[mortal heart]

Out of all the moves that armor break
Why finn's dinky kick nair?

[finite sky]

It’s one of the moves he did in the Dungeon Train episode

When fighting a slime monster

It’s basically his burst option combo starter/extender

[mortal heart]

but why does it break armor?

[finite sky]

Burst option

It’s supposed to be his strongest burst option

Especially in tight situations

[solemn adder]

its a pretty good armor break because u can get true combos off of it

[south karma]

Anyone have a finn combo list?

[finite sky]

Well I don’t have a list but most of all his combos start with jab jab

You can kinda freestyle from there if you want

[south karma]

Yeah thats mostly what i do, i was hoping for some like what they put in the combos chat that i could drill

[finite sky]

Well the one I love to use is jab jab IAD side air up tilt neutral air side air up air

That works if they try to DI out

[south karma]

gotcha ill give it some practice, does that work on all sizes?

[solemn adder]

prob only one it wouldnt work on is gizmo

[south karma]

Do you guys change any deadzones or anything to help do a ground iad ? I find theres a very small window to make it happen

[sweet drift]

Y'all use the joystick? lmaooooo

[finite sky]

What do you use?

[finite sky]

During a jab, you can just hold the direction needed for IAD during the first two jabs

[south karma]

He probably uses d pad

[void ice]

How is option coverage for u guys, I find it hard to do with Finn aside from backpack

[finite sky]

Jab

Up tilt if they try to jump over you

[void ice]

Ok Yeah I gotta stop using sair to cover jump idk why I keep using that lol

[stable ferry]

Input buffer affects it apparently I've seen some ppl say

Try making it higher

I dont rly think deadzones do anything cause I had mine at 90 once and still did it fine

For the right joystick I mean

I use dpad and then right stick for attack

[sweet drift]

d pad

[finite sky]

Ah alright

[south karma]

Gotcha ill look into it when im on, thanks

[stable ferry]

Mid season update

I trust

Im praying

Finns downfall

We got morty

Now we need finn incapacitated

[coral void]

this is a finn positive space sir

[stable ferry]

I'll not let such a thing exist

[coral void]

that's fine, you're not invited to the tree fort

[stable ferry]

The only stage I get now is tree fort lmaoo

I never get court, never get steven, never get scooby, sometimes get townsville, sometimes dexter

[finite sky]

No

He doesn’t need a gut punch nerf

Just give him more whiff endlag

That’s the type of thing that will make this game die off

We don’t need to gut characters just tone down the more unfair stuff

[fiery pebble]

Finn needs his damn hitboxes nerfed and his end lag his jab is monstrous and his hitboxes are there size of the moon

Stocks don’t matter when you fight a finn

And it’s so boring

They go for the same combo

That’s honestly how you nerf him

[finite sky]

Jab doesn’t need a hitbox change it is literally his sword

What he does need is endlag

But there’s no reason to get rid of combos

It’s what makes him unique

[fiery pebble]

I didn’t say give his jab a hitbox change

I said give it endlag

Read

[finite sky]

I did read

“Finn needs his damn hitboxes nerfed”

[fiery pebble]

They need to give his charged up and down tilts a hitbox nerf

It’s the size of the moon

And his zero to death is already annoying but I won’t bother with that because that’s what makes finn “good”

[fiery pebble]

Yeah they do

His up tilt needs a hitbox nerf

Didn’t say his jab needed it

[finite sky]

Up tilt is fair

[finite sky]

It’s because the DI to escape them is so specific

He doesn’t have any completely true 0tD combos unless the opponent DIs or dodges in a predictable manner

[warm jetty]

Yea, thats true

[finite sky]

Yeah with his combos being so strong against a dodge read I can understand why people complain about it

I myself am not good at fighting Finn

But it doesn’t make him deserve an outright gut punch of a nerf

[random charm]

I have obtained
Fern

I shall use his power to finish off this circuit drone event and maybe get some ranks

[finite sky]

Amazing

Welcome to the gang

[torpid ginkgo]

or you could git gud

just saying

[wheat wren]

People that say get good are some of the dumbest out there

Almost as bad as people defending this character

[maiden flare]

i mean,have you tried geting good?

[coral void]

Seems to work for the people i fight on finn

[wheat wren]

Fish for jab and the same combo over and over. Lame gameplay. Bad for the game

[coral void]

i wish you people would force me to try a different combo but you keep falling for it 😭

[wheat wren]

Games broken anyway and dying so it will resolve itself

[coral void]

ah yes let's listen to the opinions of people who are gonna leave anyway

game's fine on my end, i just have a skill issue here and there

[native thistle]

Any combos

[finite sky]

MVS players dodging the same way for the 15th time, dying to a combo, and then calling the character broken:

[stable ferry]

Finn is just annoying

Its a skill issue on my part sometimes sure but ts character makes me wanna hurl my controller at a wall

[finite sky]

It’s not a platform fighter without that kinda character lol

[random charm]

every video games gotta have one

[mortal elbow]

I hate everyone who plays this character u all suck

[finite sky]

🤷‍♂️

Oh well

[coral void]

<@&882349260409032746> i've had enough of these trolls

you gotta be on another level to go into the finn chat just to be rude

[native thistle]

📵📵

[solemn adder]

How are you losing if everyone who plays Finn sucks 😭

[coral void]

he's gonna say "i'm not losing i'm just annoyed" next

[hidden gorge]

Sounds like a skill issue on their part ngl

[mortal elbow]

0 skill to play him

[solemn adder]

yeah but the players are bad so you should beat them anyways

[mortal elbow]

can't when I can't land my feet on the stage

[solemn adder]

idk learn to dodge bro

[mortal elbow]

🤓

what's ur rank lil bro

[solemn adder]

masters

[maiden flare]

nah infinitely or prety much infinitely held uptilt that combos into crazy early kill combos that also comes out unreactably fast is prety crazy tho

[coral void]

<@&882349260409032746> poor taste joke

[real zephyr]

i love seeing everyone complain about finn

[finite sky]

Same lmao

[wheat wren]

Nerfs will be here enjoy it while it lasts

[coral void]

but then you'd have have no reason to keep complaining

[wheat wren]

oh this game gives planty reasons dont worry

[random charm]

mmm, fern gameplay
been playing finn in 2v2s ranked, been steadily getting out of bronze

[solemn adder]

I will still be playing Finn 👍

[finite sky]

Nice

[random charm]

its a shame (but understandable) that you can't have two of the same character in ranked 2v2s
the double fern would be so crazy

[finite sky]

Average MVS player reasoning:
Learn the counterplay to the character ❌
Complain and beg for nerfs ✅

[finite sky]

I’d be down to make that a reality if you want

[random charm]

well we wouldn't be able to do ranked sadly, but we could terrorize the casual cue with grass boi

[finite sky]

Sure

[random charm]

it would be a very scary sight I bet heh

[finite sky]

You playing rn?

[random charm]

ye

[finite sky]

Alr ima hop on

[random charm]

my MVS name is CosmicCat

[finite sky]

Ok

[random charm]

its time to be the reason people beg for nerfs, muhahah

[finite sky]

Are you getting the invites?

[random charm]

oh I'm not, heck

redspeed right? I assume that's you

since I just got htat

[finite sky]

Yeah

Yay

[random charm]

also if you want to vc for this, or just dm me while we play, my dms should be open

[finite sky]

Ok

[torpid ginkgo]

just best of fived tikisneaky

[native thistle]

Exactly

[rotund wraith]

damn u made bro quiet

[solemn adder]

true lmao

[stable ferry]

i respect this tbf

People who dont abandon their mains after nerfs are W

[serene ether]

people have the audacity to pick this character and not play the game for an entire match

literally hold an attack and wait for ur opponent to come

devs needs to remove that ability from every character with hold n move attacks

honestly super cringe

[finite sky]

@serene ether

[serene ether]

yeah bro learn the matchup
time out matchup type shi

broken character

ask for nerfs

and fin mains say " oh yeah learn how to counter "

it's funny

[finite sky]

If you don’t wanna learn the counterplay nobody’s gonna make you 🤷‍♂️

[eternal haven]

There an active Character Disc Serv for Finn by chance?

If so please DM me the Inv.

[rotund wraith]

I honestly don’t mind Finn, I played open beta so I know how to fight him. I just hate fighting Finn’s that do nothing but hold charge and camp the entire game. If you’re gonna do the 0 to death combo whatever. I have learned to di or dodge out of it. But to spend the entire match camping with charge attack is so boring. I did a best of 3, in ranked. Im diamond 5 almost diamond 4. I beat this finn once because I played correctly and punished accordingly. The next two sets he proceeded to camp and runaway with charge move. It’s not an easy move to deal with. I know I can punish it with my attack but when a Finn knows that they will runaway and camp harder. You try to approach or punish? Here comes the charge attack, dodge and then back to charge attack camping. I wanna fight a Finn that at least plays and fights. Almost 90 % of Finn’s I fight do this. I think that’s why a lot of people complain so much

I’m sure each complaint in this chat has either been the 0 to death or the charge attack spamming

[rotund wraith]

I’m trying to give Finn mains the benefit of the doubt. I want to like Finn. I actually don’t care if I fight him or not. But these last few weeks ever since ranked dropped has been a horrible experience for me when I fight Finn players in ranked. It’s ranked people are gonna do what they can to win. Cool. But when people play one character a certain way, everyone is gonna feel like “nerf this now”

Like I said I wanna fight a good Finn. I honestly wouldn’t mind if I get clipped especially if it was earned. But man, fighting 10 plus Finn’s that do nothing but play campy with charge attack is so lame. It takes the fun out of the character for me

Like Morty with dirt when people spam dirt. There’s so much more to the character and creativity than just this one thing but people rather play lame and refuse to explore that creativity and jam press one move that they heard was possibly a guaranteed win and ez climb

[coral void]

"Like I said I wanna fight a good Finn."
there's some really good finns in this channel you could ask to 1v1

[rotund wraith]

Would love that tbvh

[coral void]

ye not me though i'm not one

[solemn adder]

I’d be down, who do you play

[rotund wraith]

😂😂😂

[rotund wraith]

Harley currently diamond 5 almost diamond 4. Aiming to get masters soon

[solemn adder]

Alr I can play in like an hour I’ll dm my user

[rotund wraith]

Just dm you

[random charm]

I still don't get why the game can put you with people so far ahead of you
my finn is bronze 5 cus I haven't played him in 1v1s yet
and I had to fight a GOLD 1 superman

[rotund wraith]

It’s because ranked is MMR based. Unsure I can put links in a chat so I won’t but you can always check your MMR on tracker.gg. When you check it should show your MMR and where you are. For example. My MMR is 2,021 and below it, it says Top 1.2%. So for me that’s who I will match up with. People of that same skill level. So anyone else with that number or MMR I will get matched with. If you’re bronze but matching with gold, then your MMR might be higher than you think

[random charm]

still very annoying thats for sure blehhh

[rotund wraith]

I see it as a good thing. You’re better than you think, especially when the game also thinks that

Check your MMR on tracker

It’s up to date

[random charm]

apparently my finn MMR is 1,049 (the other guys was like 1,200 on superman)

this site still needs to get updated for the game, its still so out of wack

correction
1,400 on that superman

xwx

[rotund wraith]

That’s relatively close imo. What does it say at the bottom? Like what percentage of players are you in with 1, 049? The game probably thinks you can handle it so they matched you with the gold player

[rotund wraith]

Some parts yeah I agree but for the most part the MMR is correct

[random charm]

top 24% with finn
but I dunno how accurate that really is considering characters I've played in 1v1s have no MMR

[rotund wraith]

What’s your name on this game? I’ll look you up is it cosmic cat?

[random charm]

without the space
CosmicCat

marvin flag pfp

[rotund wraith]

Yeah I see, your stats are really good. You have a high WR and your Win percentage is top 3%of players. You also have multiple characters where your Finn is. Nah this is accurate. I see why they matched you with a gold Superman. I wouldn’t doubt you will get matched with other gold players

[random charm]

damn
I don't feel that good
especially when people are like, perfect dodging all my moves lol

of course I don't put much time into finn, I only have been recently cus I decided to buy fern
so far Jason is my most played but I would get roasted on ranked mode if I played him lol

[coral void]

I don't think it's correct on tracker? My mmr on finn hasn't budged once since beta.

maybe that's because my real mmr is actually lower than the cached mmr from beta?? 💀 i'm so cooked so bad lmao

[rotund wraith]

That’s strange. It’s very up to date for me and others I see. Earlier this morning I updated my pfp and tracker updated it. My matches, My MMR, all updated and there

[rotund wraith]

Although now that think about it you aren’t entirely wrong. They are kind of stacking MMR on top of open beta I believe. I saw some profiles of people that I fight with like 8k MMR or 10k MMR

[coral void]

i literally haven't changed my pfp or banner or any account cosmetics since beta besides badges maybe that would do something if it did for you

[rotund wraith]

Maybe give it a try

[warm jetty]

@rotund wraith could you help me pls how to use tracker.gg

I cant link my account

[rotund wraith]

You gotta just search your name in the search bar

[rough valve]

what to do against rick?

[olive geyser]

finns are a bunch of skillless 1 tricks

[solemn adder]

if its one trick that means you know how to beat them

[olive geyser]

i do know how to, but all it takes is 1 jab at the ledge to get 0td

skill less

[solemn adder]

so you dont know how to beat the trick

[olive geyser]

well its a 0td?

its OP?

lmao

what do u want me to say

[solemn adder]

its not a true combo

[olive geyser]

? people say this when it is true lmao, yes its situational and u can DI out of it...sometimes, but other times its literally true

even void says its true and from me playing top finns.....it is defo true

stop lying and saying its not

[solemn adder]

its not true lmao anyone who says it is is lying

even with no dodge meter its not true

[olive geyser]

ah yes not true ! As if i dont die to it constantly! GUESS IM JUST NOT DODGING!

[solemn adder]

not DI'ing*

[olive geyser]

? yess im not di'ing !!! like wtf r u on about, its a situational true combo

[solemn adder]

i dont think you know what true combo means

Finns 0td is escapable at any percent making it never true

A true combo means no matter what you do it will land

[olive geyser]

good thing finns 0td isnt always escapable then, im convinced u have never played a good finn

[solemn adder]

I literally hit masters on Finn and have probably played better Finn’s than you have lmao

You can escape it. Try moving you stick or something idk bro

[olive geyser]

yeh because playing #1 flacoco really means nothing!! maybe i should play a better finn than him!

[solemn adder]

I’ve played against him too

Maybe it’s not the character and you just fought a good player idk what to tell you

[olive geyser]

i constantly play the #3 finn, i beat him almost every time, but it doesnt change the fact that the games are close due tohim 1 tricking me which is bs

[solemn adder]

It has a gap between uptilt and nair

[rough valve]

what to do against rick?

[solemn adder]

mix up DI when he is portaling

[finite sky]

Sorry you misspelled Joker

[rotund wraith]

Joker has been on crack for over a month

[finite sky]

I’m saying

[rotund wraith]

Although I beat jokers tho

[finite sky]

I barely clutch wins out

But good grief this character is just as dumb

[rotund wraith]

He’s a lot easier to deal with but yeah still has the best combos game

*combo

[finite sky]

He’s arguably one dimensional in gameplay too

Fish for jab 1 (no pun intended)

In disadvantage, card cane or dodge in

If he can’t find an opening in neutral, card

If they’re desperate, dash attack

[rotund wraith]

Yeah he still has one of the best jabs in the game imo

[finite sky]

Easily

[rotund wraith]

Jab that leads into a true leader combo that does about 40%

*ladder

I think joker is better than Finn by a long shot

[finite sky]

Seriously

Only thing Finn has going is situational DI read touch of deaths

Which Joker can essentially do with how many options he has for reacting to dodges and DI

[warm jetty]

@finite sky super accurate man

[finite sky]

?

[warm jetty]

Also what you think about my nerf for TnJ

To make him more balanced

T&J Nerfs:
Paddle:

Paddle its more easy to escape and the di on certain
character has been adjusted to make them escape easily so now it's an real 50/50, not an 80/20.

Paddle:
If Paddle whiff's the Tom and jerry no longer has the ability to cancel the paddle and escape.

Paddle:
If the T&J whiff's the paddle it wont pull you back, so the hitbox of the paddle will be at the top of the paddle.

Buff:

Jab 2 and 3, startup window increased.

Rocket on jerry cooldown reduced.

Dynamites split cooldown reduced.

Dash attack startup window increased.

Mouse trap cooldown reduced.

Jerry now have 15HP instead of 12HP.

[finite sky]

Yeah it makes sense

He doesn’t need any buffs

Just make his 50/50 not catch you even if you get it right

[warm jetty]

Well, an lil compensation

Bc after making the 50/50 an actual one he need more consistent stuff

[finite sky]

Fair

[warm jetty]

How we could get this into the devs

[finite sky]

We probably can’t

Maybe put it in feedback or something

[warm jetty]

Mmmmm

Nice

[olive geyser]

and then get rid off finns huge hitbox and 0td for balance

[finite sky]

Leave his jab hitbox, just make it so charging up tilt doesn’t make him jump up like that, backpack honestly works fine

[civic pawn]

did i really just have someone fall out of my up b and end up missing a kill because of it

[finite sky]

It can be inconsistent at times

[civic pawn]

ik i'm bad at this game but i really don't get some of the hype i've seen around this character being really strong

[finite sky]

People say the vacuum effect is too strong but half the time it sucks

[coral void]

people been saying finn requires no skill to win since the open beta launched fr it's just habit at this point

He could be the worst character in the game and people would still say it

[civic pawn]

he definitely feels like it sometimes

[coral void]

what you're not seeing is that it was in fact the guy you beat who had no skill

finn mirrors are the only true test of skill clearly

[civic pawn]

i was moreso saying he does feel like the worse character sometimes when i play as him

cause like, what is he gonna do if his tod doesn't work, box until he can get a read with a charged attack?

ig if he's charging it on a platform a charged up attack can kill a lot more reasonably, but that limits his range horizontally to around the platform he's on so can be maneuvered around if you see it coming (you will)

[distant ibex]

You don't need a read for his charged attacks, they put him in advantage as soon as you start holding the button.

You get to move while charging it, and now no one can really approach you from the front, so they have to go in the air, but by the time they do that you're now already holding up tilt and now you're in advantage even harder.

[civic pawn]

if you're standing back to charge up an attack then you're giving your opponent a lot of time to prepare for the move, so you'd need to know what they're gonna do in retaliation to it in order to actually land the attack

[distant ibex]

There is no retaliation.

The only characters that can reliably deal with that are characters with projectiles, but those characters are generally miserable for everyone, including themselves.

The jab 1 is so fast that you can react to those projectiles, and dodge them before they have a chance to hit you.

[civic pawn]

you're locking yourself into a move with very clear timing, they're just gonna dodge or parry it with ease and hit you afterwards, not even including more character specific options

[finite sky]

People seem to not be able to understand Finn’s moves are all extremely choreographed and very easy to see from basically anywhere, it’s simply a matter of if you can or can’t do the counterplay to it

[maiden flare]

i aint even a finn hater but this is absolute cope

[coral void]

i think you meant choreographed

[finite sky]

Yeah lol

Forgot the word

[civic pawn]

honestly i should probably swap out from grinding finn to a different character until beetle guy drops so i stop having to deal with all these jacks as finn

[coral void]

wait for a jack to start whining you should win that matchup

[civic pawn]

people should play black adam more that character's fun to fight

[finite sky]

Hate fighting him

Big hitboxes, early kills, not enjoyable for me in the slightest

[civic pawn]

the main thing i hate is his grounded neutral, that thing just hits at distances it doesn't look like it should and kills you for it

maybe the ones i've been fighting have just been too bad to spam the annoying stuff

[finite sky]

At least with jab the range makes logical sense, he’s stabbing forward with his sword, if you get hit by the sword of course it would hit

People complaining about Finn jab specifically when they wait for you to dodge before doing it is stupid imo, it’s not stupid for the Finn to use the knowledge that they know you’ll dodge and then punish your dodge, it’s simply practical

[civic pawn]

i was talking about black adam's

[finite sky]

Oh

[rough belfry]

how to aproach jack as fin

[finite sky]

Wait for him to whiff jab

You guys really gotta stop just sitting and spam charging tilts

It’s so obvious, they’re just gonna go for their safe move every time

[rough belfry]

I dont

[finite sky]

Cool

[torpid ginkgo]

hardest part is dealing with a dash dancing jack

[finite sky]

Legit

It’s so annoying

I hate passive players in this game

Cough cough Arya Morty T&J Iron Giant cough cough

[torpid ginkgo]

its just

Jack is one of the best dash dancers in the game imo

[finite sky]

Him and Arya

[torpid ginkgo]

hes so fast on ground and has such a god like jab

hes great at pushing you into a corner

[finite sky]

His jab is nonsensical

Not only does his leg stretch to unrealistic length

[torpid ginkgo]

only move that needs a nerf

[finite sky]

The air near his foot counts as a hitbox

[torpid ginkgo]

that and focus side special

[finite sky]

Literally

[torpid ginkgo]

dealing with jack in neutral as finn is the hardest part

he backs you into a corner so well

[finite sky]

Stop making me fight that mf on Cromulons

[strong vigil]

Alright Finn mains, what do you all think is Finn's best and worst move, and why do you think that specific move is his best or worst?

[finite sky]

Jab for obvious reasons. Disjointed (which it SHOULD BE. It’s a sword stab, the range shouldn’t be nerfed otherwise his sword is straight up going through them and doing nothing), it’s a safe option, fast if it’s precharged. Worst is probably down tilt. Out of everything it’s only really good to end a jab combo, and occasionally for breaking armor, but the endlag makes it an easy punish

[coral void]

i basically agree with this i love my controller making me do down tilt when i didn't mean to yay i really need to fix it or switch it out whatever

[rotund wraith]

You’re preaching to the choir rn. I’m diamond 5 and literally every single ranked match. Not an exaggeration. Every. Single. Match. Is someone dash dancing at the corner of the stage and jumping in one spot waiting for you to approach and then never fight you or press buttons, waits for you to do a move and then go for a punish. You try doing a move that is not punishing? They immediately dodge after trying to punish you because they threw out a safe move. Rinse and repeat. Just fought a shaggy that literally dash danced and refused to play. The camping in this game is at dangerous levels

[rotund wraith]

Talked about this earlier about Finn how much I hate Finn players that just camp you out with charge attack. It’s so cringe. Dash dance. Camp. Charge attack spam. Rinse and repeat. So boring. @solemn adder is the only Finn as of rn that is the best Finn I fought that actually is good and plays nuetral

[solemn adder]

you should play @torpid ginkgo they are better than me at finn

[rotund wraith]

😱

[solemn adder]

also i think the dash dancing thing is a game wide issue where you are rewarded for fishing for jabs the entire game

[rotund wraith]

This is actually very true

[torpid ginkgo]

@rotund wraith im down for it eventually

[stable ferry]

ew its kinda smelly in here

joking joking

or am I

[finite sky]

You entered the wrong chat

The Harley chat isn’t here

Joking

Or am I

🤷‍♂️

[coral void]

SMELLS LIKE GRASS IN HERE

it's ok i understand you just forgot what grass smells like

[torpid ginkgo]

Ayra and Gizmo chat

[stable ferry]

false since smith is my secondary and he tells me to touch grass

I have to adhere to his commands

[coral void]

but are you getting a good sniff of the grass, that part is important

[strong vigil]

Bro, I can't believe Finn forced me to commit tax fraud. Now the IRS is after me. We need to make sure Finn never does this again. Nerf Velma pls.

[random charm]

true...

[viral siren]

💊

[finite sky]

What??

[strong vigil]

True story

[worldly ingot]

airwalker is pretty good on this character

[obtuse elm]

anyone know any good combos???

[finite sky]

Jab jab IAD side air or up air up tilt jump + neutral air side air up special

[obtuse elm]

thx

[finite sky]

No problemo

[finite sky]

Counting the days before someone else comes here just to complain

2 days so far

Let’s keep it up for the love of Black Adam neutral air stop whining in here 😭

If anything just ask for counterplay tips

[young glen]

can any fin mains explain how too do that jab jab , dodge into air side attack so consistently? im seeing sum finns hit it everytime but for some reason my opponent always dodges it

[finite sky]

Like how to do IAD?

[young glen]

check dms

[torpid ginkgo]

The reason I main Finn is bc he does my favorite thing ever. Taxing the poor

[spark spire]

At what percent does the kick + backpack combo easily kill at?

[stable ferry]

Im trying to resist

So hard

[torpid ginkgo]

depends on the character. With most fighters however off of a nair read nearish ledge i can kill at 40%ish

[spark spire]

Thanks. I was trying him out last night and the lowest I got was 60%, it's cool that it can go for lower.

[pastel blaze]

I'm trying to main Finn
Anyone got any tips I should know about?

[torpid ginkgo]

learn what each tilt and IAD can do out of jab

be patient with up tilt when someone is above you

[rocky stream]

Cant wait to finn to get nerfed

This character is stupid af

Insane stage control insane air control

His moves are almost unpunishable

There is no way man

[finite sky]

Just camp a platform if you can

Force him in the air

He isn’t as strong as you think in the air compared to the ground

[rocky stream]

He can just hold up attack forever

Bcs it hits super hig

And is unpunishable

[finite sky]

They’ll nerf the fully charged up tilt

So it doesn’t jump up like that I’d bet

At that point just camp him

You main Morty right?

[maiden flare]

morty main and finn mains arguing about balance is unreal

[finite sky]

Why?

I’m guessing the obligatory “they’re op”?

[maiden flare]

yeah ^

[finite sky]

Just because your character is strong doesn’t get rid of your right to have an opinion on balancing

Cough cough Black Adam Joker Gizmo Arya Iron Giant T&J cough cough

[maiden flare]

some oppinions are different

[rough valve]

If talking about balancing Finn, I suggest make him lose 50 coins every time he gets him instead of the up till

[finite sky]

Meh, I’d say just make it so whiffing moves makes him lose coins slowly, like every 3 whiffed moves he loses 100 coins. Make that the downside of his backpack perk, as right now it has no effect when Finn mains will just save coins to use as a kill confirm

Which let’s be real Finn doesn’t have “struggle killing” when he has a perk that makes his dash attack kill at 90

[rough valve]

True

[worldly ingot]

airwalker up normal really helped with the whole "struggle killing" thing

dont really run the backpack perk cuz bmo's nuts

[torpid ginkgo]

wrong

need the perk

[worldly ingot]

nah i spend money honey

[rough valve]

Still you need money, what if they make that as a passive

[finite sky]

I feel like that’s too much of a stretch

He already loses coins for whiffing any backpack move

Which are the only two moves that perk is useful for

Plus down special

It would make it like he literally never has enough coins to kill

So he’d be back to the no kill power problem

[coral void]

perk does nothing to stop you from doing this just pick your coins back up...

[pliant cargo]

Y’all ready for 2 days

[stable ferry]

Isn't it like 3 or 4 days

Wdym 2

[pliant cargo]

Patch notes

I thought they are in 2 days

I wonder how badly it will affect you guys

[stable ferry]

Oh yeah patch notes

Should be a bit before the patch right?

[torpid ginkgo]

my theory

Finn and the other top tiers wont be touched that bad

the cry babies for Jack are too loud rn imo

[pliant cargo]

Finn won’t be touched that bad?

my guy

[torpid ginkgo]

watch him not be

also watch the language

[pliant cargo]

People are upset at PFG

More people quitting the game

[torpid ginkgo]

i think finn needs few nerfs but not as many as people say

[pliant cargo]

pressure is on PFG Finn is completely broken he will get touched

[torpid ginkgo]

most people who cry at Finn nerfs arent that good and don’t understand him completely

[torpid ginkgo]

dont know abt that

also Finn getting nerfed wont save the game lol

[pliant cargo]

#clips message

Do you think this is fair in a platform fighter game?

Answer should be no

[pliant cargo]

Not everyone will do the perfect Di and I get that

But that is totally unfair

[torpid ginkgo]

That was not true lol

he just got cooked

[torpid ginkgo]

how?

he got punished for messing up

[pliant cargo]

Bugging

[torpid ginkgo]

on one of the games safest characters

thats on him lol

[pliant cargo]

Maybe towards the end but the gizmo looked like he was in hitstun

You cant seriously defend that 💀

[torpid ginkgo]

you just dont know the character like how i do

that gizmo just got cooked

[pliant cargo]

Idk I slowed it down and I couldn’t see end of hitstun

[torpid ginkgo]

finn does need some whiff tho

[pliant cargo]

Yea he did but that wasn’t fair dawg

Some hitstun nerfs for sure

[torpid ginkgo]

how?

how is that not fair?

the gizmo messed up

and died for it

[pliant cargo]

If you think being able to kill like that on low % is fair your honestly tweaking

[torpid ginkgo]

like Finn isn’t running away with tournaments

[pliant cargo]

Just for making one mistake

[torpid ginkgo]

it’s people hitting stuff in pubs and everyone thinking hes broken

[torpid ginkgo]

ITS A GIZMO

[pliant cargo]

“Mistake” your acting like it’s impossible to get hit by Finn not everyone plays perfect

[torpid ginkgo]

thats like his one weakness

[pliant cargo]

He would have hit backpack on other char

Too close to deadzone to di away

[finite sky]

Finn definitely getting nerfed

[finite sky]

Definitely more overall end lag and get rid of the hop he does from a fully charged up tilt. Personally I’d say let him charge moves for up to 5 seconds

[torpid ginkgo]

why the hop?

[finite sky]

It’s annoying to fight when they’re edge guarding or just generally above the Finn

It’s like WW up special but faster and you can charge it for so long

[finite sky]

Like not the tiny hop that you get without charging

That full hop when you let the move fully charge up

[torpid ginkgo]

yeah but y

[finite sky]

^

It’s difficult to dodge and you can’t really punish the Finn most the time

[stable ferry]

Yes mother

My favourite part of a fighting games life is when ppl start quitting cause of balance or some dumb stuff like that

So funny

Like idk man I hate finn but im not quitting the game over him

[torpid ginkgo]

the mods just be wildin

[stable ferry]

They barely check character channels tbh

[pliant cargo]

Nobody is quitting the game unless they never liked it in the first place

There has to be a major bad change for people to start quitting over one character

[maiden flare]

id be fine with finn if he couldnt charge his attacks as long as he can and remove his 0tds while your at it

like taz got nerfed because uptilt was just the most trong overpowered infinitely held gamebusting demolishing move ever because you could hold it forever but finn can hold his every grounded tilt for like 20 seconds and also lead them into 0tds 🤷

[torpid ginkgo]

0tds would need a fundamental change to the moves

[maiden flare]

if hes that flawed and broken than fundamentally change him 🤷

if theres litteraly no way of fixing his 0tds than yeah dont just let him run around with those

iron giant got removed from the game for a bit while they reworked him for the same thing

[torpid ginkgo]

those were true infinites

big diff

[pliant cargo]

Let him be. You are dealing with a number one Finn glazer

Even if they found a 0 to death that was not Di able this dude will still find some way to defend finn and blame the opponent

[pliant cargo]

Like wtf is the argument “oh he got punished for missing a move so he deserves to die early” 🤦‍♂️

[maiden flare]

lmao yeah thats crazy bro just died at 32 for getting hit once

and you know if someone on any other character killed them at 32 for missing a move once they d be begging for nerfs

[solemn adder]

That combo had like 2 or three gaps

[solemn adder]

I think charge moves that you can move with should all be removed from the game, keep 0td though because they are all escapable and are a knowledge check

[maiden flare]

0tds should just straight up not exist 🤷 theres no reason they should exist,even if your going against silly steve over there that just bought the game and constantly keeps DIing in the wrong directions silly steve shouldnt die because you hit them with a combo starter once,this isnt just with finn,no character should have this. why would you ever want someone to have a 0td

[pliant cargo]

All escapeable???

[maiden flare]

lmao also this

[pliant cargo]

Arya dagger + down tilt you can hit a true 0 to death

[solemn adder]

I think every character should have one honestly adds more depth

[solemn adder]

Most*

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But no one talks about it cause you need to set it up

[coral void]

<@&882349260409032746>

[solemn adder]

No true ones should every exist

[pliant cargo]

No way bro

[solemn adder]

🤦‍♂️

[coral void]

man im just tryna chat about finn i don't need to see that sentence

[pliant cargo]

True

[solemn adder]

I honestly think that most characters that have one are fine and people who want them removed are dumbing down the game

[coral void]

if my guy deleted that message 5 hours ago i wouldn't have had to see it to be fair

[pliant cargo]

What di drops most finn “drag” combos. Last I dodged away someone did something like this to me #clips message but bag didn’t hit luckily

[solemn adder]

Do away/down but time your dodge for the side special

I basically never get hit by it when I do that

Also if you see a Finn attempting to read your dodge before nair you can just mash out on a lot of characters

I’ve gotten so many reversals like that

[pliant cargo]

People also found 0 to deaths that work on Di away. Crazy how you gotta be so technical to avoid a combo

But I never tried down

Seems away avoids the bag most of the time

[solemn adder]

Yeah usually the IAD combos read for away, so can bmo

[solemn adder]

Yeah if you dodge horizontally against bag you will die a lot because of the multi hit

[coral void]

I love queueing up 2v2 and finding which one has no idea what to do about the ladder combo and making the other guy rage by losing through no fault of his own

[solemn adder]

There is a reason I don’t like 2v2s

[pliant cargo]

Also how do people mostly avoid Finns jab

Taking notes Incase they don’t fully nerf him

[solemn adder]

That’s my main issue with Finn right now depending on your character you don’t have an answer for his jab. If he’s charging it then you can jump and punish from above but honestly Finn needs to lose his charge while running and so does every character

[coral void]

there's only two characters who can charge anything while running right?

i can't think of another one besides finn and taz sandwich

i don't play these other characters enough

[solemn adder]

Gizmo can charge arrows and cancel out of them. I think IG might have some moves where he can move while charging in the air

[pliant cargo]

Stripe. Other than dynamite because they just dodge it easily

[solemn adder]

Honestly the only character who should keep it is like Jake’s sair

[coral void]

gizmo could lose the arrow cancel but i think making him stationary while charging arrow as well might make it too committal idk though

[solemn adder]

I think he should not be able to cancel a move with full screen presence just my opinion though

[coral void]

yeah i'm agreeing with that

[solemn adder]

Most characters with charge moves can’t why should he be able to

[maiden flare]

projectile that comes out instantly with infinite (if charged) ammo that can be precharged that also leads into combos is crazy for gizmo lol

[solemn adder]

The fact that I don’t see more people taking about it is crazy to me

[coral void]

all these people in low mmr who don't see a good gizmo very often

[solemn adder]

Like let him combo with uncharged arrow but remove the campy charge arrow and car bs

[maiden flare]

just remove his arrow cancel and arrow gain on charged arrow,maybe even extend his arrow cooldown ontop

[pliant cargo]

Bro a gizmo countered me by using car

he side special me

[maiden flare]

would truly remove his campiness might be too harsh tho 🤷

[pliant cargo]

Gizmo is far from trash 💀

[coral void]

nobody said that he is?

[pliant cargo]

I will see if I can get the clip it’s hard to say what he did

[coral void]

he's top 3 at worst rn

[pliant cargo]

No I mean people who don’t believe he’s a threat

[maiden flare]

yeah like amount of characters that just cant touch gizmo is crazy

[coral void]

gizmo just doesn't get picked often in low mmr and when he does the person playing is usually criminally bad

like "should have stuck to jack" bad

the problems for low mmr players are the characters that don't take as much skill to just completely run the game (like jack)

[pliant cargo]

Ive never seen a gizmo do this before #clips message
I did side special cause it wins on a lot of priority and projectiles

It was probably by accident but the fact you can use a mini iron giant combo breaker is pretty cool

[coral void]

yeah that's pretty goofy

[torpid ginkgo]

🍼

[pliant cargo]

The gizmo was already playing annoying asf. After this I was tweaking

[pliant cargo]

Nice you’re still drinking your milk

[torpid ginkgo]

Love being called a downplayer when I openly say this character is top 5

[pliant cargo]

Its good for your brain development 😊

[pliant cargo]

Maybe even top 3

[torpid ginkgo]

naw

def top 5

but 3 other characters just cheat the game

[pliant cargo]

Name 3 better characters

[torpid ginkgo]

Ayra, Gizmo, Joker

all way better tourny placements

[pliant cargo]

Actually I can’t argue with this

But I’ve barely been seeing jokers idk what’s happening

[torpid ginkgo]

IG is also slightly better id still say

Finn top 5 rn

[pliant cargo]

The problem with iron giant is

He’s just CHEAP

[torpid ginkgo]

just think characters complain about the weong stuff abt him

[pliant cargo]

you can be cooking him the whole game and he kills you in 3 moves

[torpid ginkgo]

the ZTDs are usually just a skill issue

the character is way too safe tho

[coral void]

like the new pfp coffee

[torpid ginkgo]

thx

never taking off hotbod skin

[coral void]

not even for fionna?

[torpid ginkgo]

maybe for like one day

[pliant cargo]

Skilll issue from taz? #clips message

If they was more time someone would have found a Finn ZTD that is hard to di out of

[torpid ginkgo]

thats an ayra clip

and that character just cheats

[pliant cargo]

Oh I thought you meant in general my bad

[pliant cargo]

Cheats 💀 but I can’t really disagree

[torpid ginkgo]

One Ayra and Gizmo it isnt a skill issue

joker has a great string but isnt a ZTD

does ike 60% tho

[pliant cargo]

Any time I lose to Arya to top deadzones I feel cheated