Black Adam

[unreal turret]

If you get my gist

[trim vigil]

yeah

[unreal turret]

Idk what Adam you’re like

So

I just used his whole kit

[trim vigil]

Adam the brusier, you know

I struggle against bugs, harely (now), arya, T and J

[feral atlas]

I'm running sets now so don't really have time to offer opinions

[unreal turret]

K

[unreal turret]

I would recommend Batman the most since his kit has tons of tools

But warning

Batman is all about peak neutral management

If you mess up

You die early

Fantastic neutral and advantage state

[trim vigil]

I actually moved from Batman to Jack and Adam last season, i gotta try batman post update

[unreal turret]

You mess up

Ya dead

Adam is far more lenient in messing up

But the neutral is some

Dog

Water

Especially rn

Welp

Gtg

Ciao for a now

But gl

[trim vigil]

thank you

[honest badge]

Yeah get tf back to batman pookie

He very fun now

Much more than before

[iron karma]

For me I think the side speical change should only work once he's out of stock

[prisma citrus]

go back to playing skilled characters

[feral atlas]

Who would you consider a skilled character

[prisma citrus]

velma, marvin

jason too

[feral atlas]

Personally I'd only really count Velma out of those three lol

[feral atlas]

Have you played as BA recently

[unreal turret]

https://youtu.be/bMbM4B9M9Sk?si=2-ibemYYvXyURPVU

@muted latch

Adam might not be as dead as I thought. The buff to his kit I overlooked

It opens new combo routes

@feral atlas this might interest you too

Also @trim vigil

I think Adam needs

One

Small buff

Make his neutral special have less end lag

They made him a much better combo character with neutral special but if you miss that thing for whatever DI or other reasons in a combo

It’s horrible

[feral atlas]

The endlag is to balance it more for 2s, I could see them lowering it a little bit but personally I think it's a fair tradeoff considering what it can do

[unreal turret]

I don’t really see it now

The 6 second lock out timer makes the end lag not make much sense to me

Now

Without that

Sure

[feral atlas]

Still negates all projectiles which is pretty huge for matchups like Morty

[unreal turret]

Yeah but you stand still for around 3 seconds rn

I’d make it like

2

Maybe 1.5 to 1.8

You still stand still and it’s very whiff punishable

It’s just not

Ah yeah

Death

It’s more akin to whiff punishing clap

It shouldn’t be this move that makes you instantly die for trying it

Just imo

[feral atlas]

The projectile itself is active for most of it so I understand and am fine with the whiff personally. Imo there actually needs to be a lot more risk/reward things in the game similar to it

[unreal turret]

Like if you dodge through the clap you instantly get a free punish window

The same exact logic should apply to neutral special imo

Not

Ah yeah stand still for eons

[feral atlas]

Neutral special is a lot different though in many many ways you can't really treat it the same

[unreal turret]

I mean?

Why?

Clap is a strong armor break move

That hit pauses

[feral atlas]

Clap hardly hitpauses now

Also lightning grab does a LOT and is so insanely versatile

Chains off of teammates, projectiles, enemies, applies shock + ignites by itself if using flammable, can punish wall clinging insanely hard, enables advantage extensions by literally shutting down team fights, can be used at a very safe distance to support while your teammate goes in, etc

The amount of free kills I still get post cooldown nerf just because both enemies are off ledge is silly

It makes sense to put that level of risk behind it because he can be in very safe positions while using it

After getting used to all the changes imo the only one that feels actually bad is the down attack change where it only gets one charge every like 6 seconds

If they fixed its consistency then it'd be okay but now it's mostly a dead move

[unreal turret]

maybe make it so like

it has max size

every time

no charge needed

[feral atlas]

Ehhh I wouldn't like that personally, I like being able to vary my spacing for it in the situations where I am covering the ledge or baiting

[muted latch]

Interesting

[unreal turret]

You "can"

still charge it

it's just that the size of the projectile and knockback/damage will always be maximum

charging is merely in this scenario to bait people

[feral atlas]

Charging only affects how far you send the projectile

[muted latch]

Black Adam is still viable although much more annoying. Now that you have to work around his weaknesses.

[trim vigil]

@unreal turret thank you for the video, but man i'm gettin my ass kicked and that's suepr frustrating

I lost like 10 games in a row now

almost broke my controller

and I'm being teabagged, on top of that

the game has become very toxic and it seems like I just can't play anymore since the update dropped. I can't pin point what exactly changed but everyone is moving so fast that I can't keep up. I'm dropping combos and I'm exteremly stressed out while I play.

I need help understanding the fundmentals of the game all over again

[unreal turret]

Check out tremmel tbh

[trim vigil]

I did

[unreal turret]

Bro goes over fundamentals really well

[trim vigil]

I just can't comprehend what's going on anymore

and every other freaking game is the piece of 💩 called PPG

they just spam F jab jab D jab U jub or air neutral then upper special

and boom that's 40 something damage

[muted latch]

Even though he's good at explaining doesn't change the fact that black guy isn't a talk top tier anymore

[trim vigil]

sorry I went into timeout because I typed the F word 🤣

anyways, it's so F- ing frustrating at this point

PPG can beat me doing 3-4 combos

there was that one game that I lost 3-2 where I ended up doing 300+ damage and PPG did around 180 damage total and I still lost

I'

I'm not saying I'm one the of best out there, I got Platinum II last season, but man; this season I can't even make it past Gold IV

And the fact that I'm losing to almost every character is annoying AF

I lost to PPG, bugs, Smith, Iron 💩 , Jason, and of course, Harely Quinn

[unreal turret]

True I think Adam is like

C+ to low B tier in 1s

And B in 2s

[feral atlas]

Trust me in high end comp he's still high A

For 2s

[muted latch]

How about this B+

Let's meet in the middle

[muted latch]

It's really weird that I agree especially since he has a really good flow. But trying to get into that flow is impossible, and also really inconsistent.

[unreal turret]

Yeah

Like

His advantage state

Is still extremely powerful

If you master that

Early kills, strong reads, great combo game, etc

His neutral is some dog water ☠️

[feral atlas]

Believe me with the right comp he's still way up there

[muted latch]

Okay B++

[muted latch]

I think it's the worst in the game. Unless there's someone else I'm forgetting.

[muted latch]

@unreal turret most optimal kill confirm#clips message

[unreal turret]

I mean if you can get the parry yeah ☠️

[muted latch]

I was being sarcastic

Even the most optimal dair special into Sair drops a lot.

[unreal turret]

I figured

[rain star]

Wait, how is BA B+ in 2s?

I'd consider him Top 8 Atleast

[feral atlas]

That's what I'm saying lol he's definitely top 10 minimum imo

[rain star]

in 1s he's definitely lower but not C+

I'd say around bottom of A or Top of B

sure, BA has no approach in 1s but has easy ladders when in jab

Easily react to dodges in the air when laddering

[feral atlas]

Yeah it's not unusual to get a 50-60% string off of one jab and like two reads max

[muted latch]

I would say top of the B considering how much he changed. I don't play 2s, so don't take my opinion at all.

[muted latch]

50% string is with two reads. Or if your opponent has horrible di. I've already searched out a bunch of combo routes, which never work if your opponent has a brain.

[feral atlas]

Mostly depends on character size + where you start the up attack but against a lot of characters the lightning hitting isn't a problem until higher percents

[muted latch]

That is a major flaw.

[muted latch]

Everything depends

[feral atlas]

Can you elaborate

[muted latch]

Disclaimer: this is all my opinion make what you will of it.
Black Adam was a good character in 1s but he still had a lot of holes in his kit which he could just bull through with his other stuff. Now they took that stuff away.

All of his combos are inconsistent

Doesn't have any kill confirms (that are consistent)

No neutral

[feral atlas]

I agree with some of that but not all personally

I don't think he's super high for 1s but I still think he's solid and doesn't have a terrible matchup spread

[muted latch]

Elaborate please and maybe a bit of proof would convince me otherwise.

[feral atlas]

I don't find all of his combos to be inconsistent, and he has some fairly consistent and solid confirms in general

His neutral isn't great for sure but he at least has tools to play the way that is required as a passive punish based character

[muted latch]

It almost always depends, the most consistent combos are out of jab but continuing the combo is where it gets complicated.

[feral atlas]

Btw if you reverse the up attack after jab 2 it positions them much closer to the center and can mess with their DI a bit, making it better for higher percents

[rain star]

BA has so many kill confirms. I can name a few.

Jab1 -> Jab2 -> IAD sair
SideSpecial -> sair
dair -> sair
Jab1 -> Jab2 -> UTilt -> Sair (consistent enough if practiced)

I can name more but too lazy

In 1s, approach with dair into sair

dair is the safest move to throw out

[feral atlas]

Dair really isn't that safe in 1s tbf

[rain star]

oh it is

its REALLY safe

i can send a VOD of FPZ abusing it

[muted latch]

All those are pretty inconsistent I've done all of those except for jab into IAD Sair because it kills pretty late

[rain star]

?????

they're very consistent

[muted latch]

Then maybe I'm horrible at the game.

But I feel like I'm not

[rain star]

Diamond 5

[feral atlas]

Nvm if you're just flying spacing it it's safe

Depends on how you're playing it

[muted latch]

I was diamond 5 last season

[rain star]

my fault

[feral atlas]

Only one that's pretty inconsistent is if it includes up tilt bc DI and positioning messes with it imo

[muted latch]

Also you have to remember that everyone else got buffed as well they can move faster in the air. On top of Black Adam being nerfed.

[rain star]

you can react to DI btw

[feral atlas]

Also what character was the matchup against for reference

[feral atlas]

I mean for the lightning bolt

[rain star]

oh, if lightning hits. sair can still work. work on positioning

[rain star]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2257167283?t=04h54m39s

[feral atlas]

Up tilt into sair isn't true unless lightning bolt hits though I thought?

[rain star]

it's true

[muted latch]

Who dat?

[rain star]

damn

[muted latch]

Listen man I only played around 300 games of Black Adam last season.

I don't have a lot of time

[feral atlas]

Do you know off the top of your head at what percents it is, I'd assume late 60s then

[rain star]

true between 30-90%

i lied sorry

[feral atlas]

So there's a smallish threshold then that makes sense

Okay nvm I see

[rain star]

literally the first interaction of the VOD represents that

nvm, I thought i knew it by heart but it can extend from 30% to 90% (Jab1->Jab2->Utilt->Sair)

[feral atlas]

I watched the whole set and it shows his weaknesses though, like he's good but imo not one of the big threats

He struggled to kill Bugs for like two whole stocks because past a certain percent all you can do is hope for a read or get a sweetspot dair or nair off

Also near the end the Bugs caught on to the dair approach and punished a lot of it, it's mostly matchup familiarity

He has some good confirms and his combos are strong but most of the top characters have almost 0 variability in their confirms and just require a stray hit from a very active move that combos into things at almost all percents

Like I think personally he's in a totally fine spot and has some fair tradeoffs

[rain star]

That's the thing with BA. He has no type of approach other than Dair, Nair, or Sair.

[rain star]

and plus, Misty is considered the top 8-10 1s players rn

[feral atlas]

For sure, but Bugs in general is a pretty bad matchup too imo

[rain star]

bugs is actually disgusting 😭

[feral atlas]

And yeah that's the thing that keeps him from being S tier really, his approach options are pretty bad against a good player and always rely on bait

[rain star]

That's when you play neutral

since pfg promoted neutral play in the new build

time to whiff punish

:)

[feral atlas]

I agree to an extent but my point is that the truly S tier characters tend to always have an option to either combo or kill (or both) after a neutral win but BA has a lot of moments where he can win neutral but not get too much out of it

[muted latch]

Cuz what else is he supposed to do? I abuse it all the time oh I go for a down air special it's starting to get predictable because there's not a lot of other approaches

[muted latch]

Exactly

[feral atlas]

Realistically a lot of characters are capable of just sitting there forcing you to approach

[muted latch]

100%, I went against the number one Aria (yes I'm serious). there was literally nothing I could do.

[feral atlas]

But the top characters hardly have that issue because they have extremely safe active moves that lead into whatever they want, or spacing tools that are low commitment and almost always available

[muted latch]

There's a lot of characters with that it's unfortunate that they took away Black Adams down tilt.

[feral atlas]

Arya in 1s is silly I don't blame you, atrocious BA matchup

Small character + disjoint is mostly a mess for him, Finn included

[muted latch]

My question is why isn't side special like Arya's? (In the sense that he doesn't get invulnerability in exchange for a Dodge meter).

[muted latch]

That's a lot of the problem smaller characters

We're lucky a lot of the small characters are not good rn

Or else there would be a lot more people playing them

[feral atlas]

Probably because it still has the property of going through people + the little lightning ball comes out right away

I don't really think it needs to have the invulnerability, Arya's dodge attack just needs reevaluated imo

[muted latch]

Isn't Arya the same?

[muted latch]

Agreed

[feral atlas]

Arya's attack comes out after the dodge, BA's is instant

BA's allows counterplay by hitting him before the lightning ball is close enough to destroy it

But Arya's has like no counterplay lol

[muted latch]

If people were spamming it there's still no punish to people who do it in burnout. which doesn't make too much sense. I feel like you should only lose Dodge meter, if you use it when you don't have ammo.

Also side special should not disappear if you get hurt imo

[feral atlas]

I'm okay with it disappearing because otherwise the only counterplay is dodge, and you're getting punished for no real reason

[feral atlas]

It would be neat if while you had no ammo for it, you got the invulnerability

[muted latch]

That could work but I feel like it shouldn't take Dodge if you have ammo imo.

[feral atlas]

Yeah. I want to see what it'd feel like if it only took half a bar instead of full

[muted latch]

Less burnout

I would probably use it more in that sense then

I think I'll remake a tier list to see exactly what be happening

[feral atlas]

Tbh I feel like matchup charts are always better than full on tier lists

[muted latch]

Probably

But truly I don't play enough to know

I just complain about the things that are apparent when I do play

[feral atlas]

I don’t blame you lol

[muted latch]

this is my matchup chart #clips message

I really wish Black Adam was like Falco in smash ultimate

He has a tool for everything, you just need to know how to use it

[muted latch]

I made the chart in less than a minute. So there will be a few mistakes.

[muted latch]

Forgot to mention this is only in 1s and it is not ordered.

[unreal turret]

I would say it’s valid

Supes could be even tho

[muted latch]

I'm mostly putting it there because clap has less reach and soups can combo you easily.

[muted latch]

If you want to do an air approach you could be stuffed out by command grab and any armor move.

[cerulean pecan]

SCUM

[muted latch]

What happened to you? It's been a few days.

Also to anyone who's in this chat that is playing Black Adam should we make a separate server?

[cerulean pecan]

Had take some time off

It’s hard doing what I do

[muted latch]

There's not a single Black Adam in grandmasters or Masters one, or Masters 2, sooo I think it's safe to say he fell off.

[unreal turret]

yeah....

I pushed to masters but he's miserable once you're there

I literally quit the character

lmao

[muted latch]

A Black Adam has made it into top 100 today

And he's the only one

congrats to kirlyfriez

[cerulean pecan]

SCUM

[muted latch]

And now he's not anymore oof, yeah I'm not going to keep track of these anymore.

[amber aspen]

Dawg he got nerfed

[cerulean pecan]

Still Scum tho

[cunning river]

Yeah I hopped on yesterday, and his clap is way smaller lol

[cunning river]

Glad to see you’re still doing well my guy

[cerulean pecan]

Appreciate it my man

I’m always dedicated to what I love to do

[unreal turret]

💀

[cerulean pecan]

😂🙏🏾

[zinc lake]

Scum

[unreal turret]

This character sucks

In comparison to most of the cast rn bro is

A meme

[zinc lake]

He’s still top 5 in 2s

[unreal turret]

Ehhhhhhh

Idk

Morty, Steven, Marvin, bugs, and TNJ are all better partners

[zinc lake]

Marvin and tnj not really

Steven ww bugs morty maybe

[unreal turret]

For a front liner like smith, Batman, joker, garnet, jack, etc

[unreal turret]

Also forgot about Rick

[unreal turret]

Marvin is really good with the aerial mobility changes

[zinc lake]

His best comp is Steven marvin

[unreal turret]

Turns out a fast moving midget in the sky is

Pain

[zinc lake]

Not enough Marvin’s to make it good

[unreal turret]

Idk Adam just feels

Generic imo

Like he’s good in a 2s environment where people run around like headless chickens

I haven’t seen him perform in tournament as of lately. He was largely carried by his neutral special in 2s

And his down normal

And his clap

Bubble and his dair are solid too

And flight is good for extending a combo of partner for a finish

But if alllll your neutral tools just got like

Gutted in the same patch

Well

☠️

[mortal kayak]

Lmao maybe you are playing bad with your own character

[unreal turret]

I pushed him to masters in 1s ☠️.

[mortal kayak]

If you want to play a character that really sucks play Jake, this character is alright, viable and even meta on 2's

[unreal turret]

True

You aren’t wrong

Ok let me

Rephrase

This character was A tier in 1s and S in 2s (deserving of a nerf for 2s tbh)

The method in which they nerfed him makes him B tier in 2s and like C tier in 1s

That I would say is a pretty accurate statement

[unreal turret]

Tbh jake and supes are like

How do I word this

Outliers due to poor design

Their kits were broken messes that had extreme edge cases
(Supe with mobility, edge pushing, laser spam, and early grab kills and Jake with disjoints and the best combo game in the game in beta)

That the devs just

Gutted them and never looked back

Well they try to fix them but they can’t

The fundamental design is the problem

They made the disjoint character have hit boxes on all his hurtboxes ☠️☠️ (Jake)

IG is also an edge case but he wasn’t

As gutted

Basically I would count those 3 out of any argument cuz they shouldn’t have ever released with those kits at all imo.

And those kits were just gutted to avoid further controversy with the only real method of a fix being a major rework that straight up changes multiple moves

Adam’s kit isn’t even close to that but they nerfed it way farther than necessary

This is why you could actually like

Buff garnet to be good

Her kit was never a fundamental problem.

[mortal kayak]

I don't think that he's that bad tbh, yeah, he fell of because of the nerf to clap and weight but he still is better than most of the characters, you can't even gimp a good black adam and he still is pretty heavy, iirc he is heavier than Batman

And his combo game is fine, he still has a good way to juggle opponents, has a good way to be fine against some projectiles and doesn't have a big problem with killing

[muted latch]

Lol

In 2s he may be the same but 1s he's a different man

[muted latch]

Problems with your statement: 1. He does have a problem with killing if your opponent is being careful 2. Combo game feels inconsistent and hard to pull off 3. Has no neutral anymore

[cerulean pecan]

Bros tryna be me 😂🙏🏾

[muted latch]

You know it's ironic, because this dude's partner in twos, is Black Adam.

[mortal kayak]

My brother in christ he doesn't have a problem at killing, he literally has jab jab IAD sair that kills shaggy at 110 on a NORMAL map

And even if you don't kill him guess what? Now he's in the air and BA easily is one of the best at catching people in the air, if you can't do that as someone who flies then that's sad

And he has neutral, it's only that you can't rely on spamming side b and ignoring that lol

[cerulean pecan]

He plays ig so his opinion is immediately invalid

This is the problem with mvs like yall all want yalls main to be op

BA Doesn’t struggle to kill at all

Bro breaks the rules of platform fighters and yall still complain

[muted latch]

Wait what it kills at 110?

If this is true then I take back what I said.

[muted latch]

There's still characters that glide and in my opinion it's better or at least could be better. IMO

[cerulean pecan]

U think BA Fying is worse than other characters gliding bro

Are u delusional

[muted latch]

In some cases yeah

[muted latch]

No

[cerulean pecan]

In some cases means nothing

[mortal kayak]

#clips message

[muted latch]

You know what you're right I take back what I said.

[cerulean pecan]

99% it’s jsut better

[mortal kayak]

Yeah and Shaggy is pretty heavy, more than most of the characters

[cerulean pecan]

What are we talking about bro

[muted latch]

My only complaint is neutral, besides everything whiffing randomly.

@mortal kayak any tips on neutral?

[mortal kayak]

Learn to use fly against characters that controls a lot of ground like Morty Arya Shaggy, those characters you need to stay in the air to actually beat them, I can't really explain how good is fly but really, you need to learn it perfectly to have the best neutral

[zinc lake]

I dropped myself

Cuz I sold him today

[muted latch]

Huh? English pls

[grave frost]

Bruh wdym

It has almost no whiff

And its hitbox is prettyyyy big

[muted latch]

It's really predictable what else is he going to fly you with?

You have to pick up on habits

And it's not like we have a whole bunch of Mix-Ups.

As it stands right now Black Adam is not good at a high level. My reason is specifically for the top 100 there's no black Adams at least the time of making this in top 100.

Which was not the case last season where there was a least five

And even a "bad" character like Jason is in top 10.

Professionals with Black Adam last season would really admit he was strong but a lot of experienced players this season all agree in unison, that Black Adam is not as viable anymore.

[grave frost]

He still viable wdym

There is just not too much adam players

[feral atlas]

I just wasn't using it in that way normally. I agree now though that it's prettty safe but imo still not insanely so

[muted latch]

Relatively around (2.2) percent of people use iron Giant, banana guard, stripe, and joker. And all of these characters happen to be in top 100

Isn't it time we stop overrating black adam?

And among all those I just listed Black Adam has the lowest win rate (49%)

Okay except for joker who has lower but still.

Mind you I'm specifically talking about 1s

Facts do not care about your feelings.

[cerulean pecan]

BA mains need to drop the blunt asap 😂🙏🏾

[feral atlas]

I mean tbh now that I've played more 1s he almost feels better in some ways because of the neutral special changes

[muted latch]

He's got a new kill confirm. #clips message

But it's kind of hard to execute especially since well.... Garbage neutral

[feral atlas]

He has quite a few now from it

[muted latch]

But still, getting a jab is probably more risky than going for flying dair.

[cursive kiln]

what are the best black adam perks?

[muted latch]

15% one snowball perk and last stand. And regular for the last

[feral atlas]

For 1v1 or 2v2s?

[muted latch]

Actually there's a lot of different set ups, so there's not really a "best".

[feral atlas]

For 2s I always run Circuit Breaker as the signature

1s normally Well Rounded

And my main setup is Flammable/Airwalker/Pugilist

[muted latch]

Let me guess air walker is for edge guarding reversals.

Also why flammable? Isn't snowball more consistent?

[feral atlas]

This + movement and stalling in general

[feral atlas]

I hit projectiles often enough for it to be worth it over Snowball

Snowball is a very very small bonus

That you won't notice much at all

[muted latch]

Ah ig

[cerulean pecan]

SCUM

[muted latch]

potential perk idea: instead of neutral special sending up or down, it could instead stun or aim in any direction.

[muted latch]

This man needs a rework

[cerulean pecan]

scum

[feral atlas]

After playing more 1s I'd say he's mid-high A but still behind the S tiers

If you're an S tier you have zero unwinnable matchups

But BA has like 4

And they're all the S tiers lmao

[cerulean pecan]

He’s still scum

[muted latch]

Would like to know why you think that

[feral atlas]

His only genuinely bad matchups are vs the best in the game, other than that he still has a favorable matchup spread

Finn, Arya, Wonder Woman, and Batman are the main issues

Morty as well

But other than that he wins or is even for the rest of the matchups, also excluding probably Joker

[muted latch]

Well seeing as everyone's Black Adam is different, personally for me he doesn't feel that strong.

[muted latch]

My question for you is do you think he's top 10?

[feral atlas]

I could see an argument for low top 10

Like between 8-10

[muted latch]

Interesting, I don't know I just feel like there's a lot of characters who have much better kits, at this point but maybe it's cuz I haven't played too much yet.

And I'm sure he'll feel very unpleasant, when you go against high level players.

I mean there's a reason why there's not more black Adams in top 100.

[polar laurel]

Anyone else experiencing a lot of jank with the side special? I swear since last patch it’s just been moving right through people

No damage no dodge

[muted latch]

Idk feels fine for me except for being in burnout 100% of the time.

[feral atlas]

Side special has never given you invulnerability, you're probably just burning through the ammo it has

[polar laurel]

I’m referring to the lighting trail

I swear I’m watching it just pass through people

[feral atlas]

I haven't been having that issue personally

[polar laurel]

I’ll try to see if I can amass some clips cause I feel like I’m going crazy

Also I reached top 20 BA in singles can we get some W’s in chat

[feral atlas]

Nice!

[cunning river]

Fr

[cunning river]

W

I haven’t played in like a month

I gotta get to it fr

[cerulean pecan]

Not even worth it bro

I’m waiting for sparking zero

[polar laurel]

Stroke it Daniel-san…

[cerulean pecan]

Imma do more than stroke it

[muted latch]

Why am I not surprised?

[polar laurel]

So PFG made a massive mistake

Rp is broken rn

I was lucky enough to get 40 rp for every single win

No matter who it was

So as of right now I’m rank 1 black Adam 😭😭😭😭

[muted latch]

Bro I got 12

[polar laurel]

I kind of feel bad for exploiting it all but highkey how does a bug like this even happen 💀💀

I got to Grandmasters for free 💀💀

[feral atlas]

Yeah they literally trivialized all of ranked with that change lol idk what is going on

Makes me not care anymore really

[polar laurel]

I was already masters anyways so in terms of rewards there’s really no point for me but yeah you’re right it does suck

[feral atlas]

I was too yeah, just feels awful though knowing people are gonna pass me who put in half the effort, mainly for my Beetlejuice rank because it's actually pretty difficult to climb high ranks as him

[muted latch]

Didn't realize how bad it was until I saw it for myself

lol

And I got another 12 RP

A five win streak and I only get 12 every single time

[halcyon herald]

Wicked

[muted latch]

Black Adam feels so bad right now

Might switch

[coarse bone]

lmfao that's absolute nonsense or a skill issue

[unreal turret]

Not really

At higher levels of play he’s pretty predictable, whiff punishable, and has pretty poor neutral

The best things about the character are flight and his advantage state

[muted latch]

The reason why I say this is because I keep getting matched with high level people and there's not much I can do.

#clips message I got matched with the Masters 1 Batman

[ashen cedar]

Can someone give me feedback on my game against a finn its in #clips

[muted latch]

I could but I want to see the clip in the actual channel, I don't have to travel to somewhere random.

[ashen cedar]

oh mb

@muted latch posted it

[rain star]

#clips message

mainly

you just need to understand what moves chain into other moves

• first interaction, grounded side special can chain into jab but you jabbed the wrong way (depends on enemy's health)
• second interaction, the lightning from your utilt can chain into dair quite easily and then chain into other moves
• don't approach with aerialdownspecial that often unless you are in advantage
• when you're on the wall. sideair is a really good move because it clips through the stage
• if you do land a dash attack, you can approach with another attack but it's unsafe but lands often

everything else is fine but you do press a lot of buttons for no reason
@ashen cedar

[ashen cedar]

yeah when I fight finn I get so annoyed I start button mashing lmao

thanks

[tawdry grail]

Any updates on BA for the mid season patches?

[muted latch]

Dash comes out 4 frames faster

[polar laurel]

https://www.twitch.tv/ashesgren

Forgive the self insert but id apprciate it

[muted latch]

Nice archive 👍

[polar laurel]

Oh yeah man I’m really into this

Whopping 0 videos

[covert tapir]

BA is super predictable. Can somebody that actually plays him tell me how to get around that?

[feral atlas]

Biggest thing is to capitalize on mistakes, approach options are pretty limited so you have to focus on making sure your punish game is consistent

Vs some characters like Arya you don't really have any choice though

[muted latch]

The problem is, he has a lot of characters that he just can't approach.

[rain star]

just whiff punish for 5 hours a day

[muted latch]

@rain star @polar laurel #clips message what are we thinking about the chart?

[muted latch]

#clips message I updated a little

[fervent hazel]

lol are you saying over half the cast has a winning MU against adam

[rain star]

for 1s?

ummm

[rain star]

#clips message

[covert tapir]

I feel like I see statements about BAs high viability relatively often in this channel: claims that BA is great in so many matchups. Whenever somebody counters that he is slow, punishable and predictable, someone else just does the politician spin - the equivalent of "I'm right and you're wrong."

Either this masterful Black Adam tech is being hidden behind gatekeeping, or this is your average troll campaign for an apparently much hated character. Maybe I'm just trash. I can acknowledge this.

But for the layperson, unable to devote the amount of lightless basement time it takes to hone your fighting game reflexes to EVO perfection, I think BA's kit is subpar compared to most of the cast. Bad startup frames and recovery frames. Slow movement outside of fly. Predictable. Bad hitboxes with few exceptions. Bad neutral, which also means difficulty getting kills. And poor meter usage.

Far more often than not, I find myself up against a patient opponent more than willing to play the footsies/dodge/fish game. And in that scenario, almost regardless of their character pick, BA feels extremely disadvantaged.

I'd truly, appreciate an honest conversation about why you think I'm wrong, though I'm sure I'll mostly receive a trollish insult wave.

[rain star]

@covert tapir https://youtu.be/voonYCLO8Ms

Tourney set between Melly/BrianYi... they are considered a Top 4 teams

BA is stronger in 2s but weaker in 1s but overall a great pick but there are better options (characters)

[covert tapir]

I think he's strong in 2s. I'm speaking of 1v1, the only place I believe a discussion of tier can really take place.
You can do all kinds of scummy stuff with any combo of toons if you're clever or working together or just stagger attacks

[rain star]

https://youtu.be/flpbP4qtwhA?si=OFBpPF1CH8t_XnIN&t=358

This FPZ, probably considered the "best" BA currently. (He did pick up BA not too long ago) But overall a strong player in the Comp Scene

[covert tapir]

Thanks, I'll check it out

[rain star]

He did swap between Smith and BA

Notices how he usually approach with Jab, Sair, and Dair

BA's best moves from neutral

Play for whiffs and don't approach

easy formula for 1s

https://youtu.be/35cYiFgrJ-4?si=um8mSHNsKBDqNWGX

FirePizza vs Davis

https://youtu.be/GD1ak43N2VM?si=qgJ6Qja3Qk36EbhZ

FirePizza vs Anthos

[covert tapir]

His hitboxes are such trash. I die so much because I'm too close when jabbing

[iron rain]

Punch the best

[covert tapir]

TRASH Hitboxes

[muted latch]

Random fact: Black Adam is the only DC character to not have a prestige shop skin

[rain star]

Nubia

[muted latch]

She's new, it doesn't count also she's bla- (this is a joke please don't ban me)

[rain star]

Agree or Disagree #clips message

[muted latch]

Why can't we post pictures in here?

[rain star]

His Jab1-2 is good because of IAD dair into Jab1-2 into IAD dair and tech doesn’t matter

this serve is heavily regulated sooo

[muted latch]

Only if you hit it, it's useless against someone with good neutral

[rain star]

eh

i rather go for Dair tho

but his jab is still good

[muted latch]

It's not trash but it can be a bit misleading sometimes

And also people can low profile sometimes

[rain star]

misleading?

[muted latch]

Yeah the effect makes it look like it would hit

It's something minimal so

[rain star]

jab1?

[muted latch]

Yes

[rain star]

I mean

The only time where jab1 doesn’t hit if the enemy is low profiled

which there isn’t a lot of characters that can do that

[muted latch]

Funny enough there's actually a few characters that have such a move and it just happens to be it's a great move

Quick example is Batman down tilt

[rain star]

I would dair

his dtilt is reachable so i dair

i wouldn’t jab because of his LP

same with Harley

Joker

[muted latch]

You have to space it correctly and the time it takes to jump and dair it's normally enough time for them to escape

[rain star]

Nope

their end lag is horrible

you can easily punish

[muted latch]

Okay another example Tom and Jerry

[rain star]

and plus, Dair into Jab1 is true

[muted latch]

Depends how you hit it

Everything depends

Nothing is guaranteed

That's how black Adam is

[rain star]

he’s overall a strong character

He doesn’t have any bad moves

other than his jab3 and dtilt

and ntilt

[muted latch]

Would be cool if they weren't so inconsistent

[safe escarp]

black adam- uptilt 22 frame, neutral 38 frames, jab 12 frames, down tilt 19 frames, down special 16 frames, clap 26 frames, sair 12 frames, dair 20 frames, side special 38 frames for the ball, air down special 21 frames, dash attack 19 frames. These are all the start up times for BA

[tall wraith]

@safe escarp YO, ggs earlier bro

I’ll send you an invite to join our BA discord too

[muted latch]

What about endlag?

[safe escarp]

Ggs bro

[safe escarp]

That's going to take me longer to measure

Give me some time

[muted latch]

I have all the time in the world

[safe escarp]

Bet

[shrewd cedar]

Is that measured is the current patch? I measured a bunch of moves (very roughly) aaaages ago and got Dash Attack at frame 17

And that move got like 4 frames of buff recently

Oh and side special is active way earlier, ~6±2 frames from start up

[safe escarp]

That's rn

[safe escarp]

I should say it's within a 3 frame margin because it's not perfect

And I swear I can't tell the difference with the dash attack buff I'm still getting the same frame time

[shrewd cedar]

Yeah my measures were similarly in 2 or 3 range, but just that you've got side special as 38, which is super slow, when it's defo his fastest move

[safe escarp]

It's when the ball starts moving I should have specified

But it's definitely his fastest move imo

The ball itself is around 12 frames

[feral atlas]

They didn't change the actual frame data of it I believe, just when the hitbox comes out

The hitbox had a delay before and wouldn't actually come out with the startup

I've noticed it a lot, pretty big quality of life buff because it's such a good move when it works

[muted latch]

This is probably the least active character chat

[feral atlas]

90% of it is people hating him too lol

He's definitely one of the least popular overall

[muted latch]

Ye

It's unfortunate

[urban maple]

Anyone lmk what the best perks are for him 🤞

[shrewd cedar]

i always use thats flammable and pugilist. then theres plenty of viable options for middle perk

[muted latch]

There's like two that's it the other ones are meh

[shrewd cedar]

i use collat as the main, and airwalker or 2f2b in my other setups. I can see the argument for 5% too

[urban maple]

Cool thx what would you say for the first perk tho I do run him in duos so I might switch between them still idk which ones are better (the gold perks)

[shrewd cedar]

5% or 15% damage boost one.
5% damage reduction is really handy and consistent especially cos hes so heavy already and reduces hitstun by a tiny bit sometimes
circuit breaker is a lot more damage but you gotta hit those lightning moves first

[muted latch]

That was a bit inconsistent in a way

I think it depends if you hit combos more or random hits

[shrewd cedar]

I think it depends more on what combos you hit. Some BA players fish for juggle ko's from early damage, some prefer to focus on long combos from jab to rack up damage. I would recommend 5% for the former and circuit breaker for the latter

[rain star]

**For 2s. **

• SigPerk: 5%
• Perk1: Ignite or Snowball (Depending on tm8's perk1). +You would like to stack both SnowBall and Ignite.
• Perk2: Laststand or Collat
• Perk3: Puglist.

**As for 1s. **

• SigPerk: 5%
• Perk1: Snowball
• Perk2: Laststand or Collat
• Perk3: Pug

[winter epoch]

I dislike every single one of you

[muted latch]

Oh another person that's bad at the game, hi welcome.

I'm not sure what you planned by saying that, like what was the point?

[winter epoch]

Including you

[zinc lake]

I hate fpz specifically

Humble

[muted latch]

5/10 roast

[safe escarp]

skill issue

LMAO

[muted latch]

lol

[winter epoch]

And you

[safe escarp]

"and you and you and you" ahh reaction

[open stream]

Is there a Black Adam character discord?

[feral atlas]

Probably but I have no clue

[shrewd cedar]

There is, but i don't think we are allowed to send discord links in the server

[open stream]

Ty!

[desert egret]

Have any of y'all noticed how raven plays a bit like black adam ?

Spacing focused, strong down air, slow but strong neutral ground attack, floaty, projectile shield down special which can also be a projectile itself (black adam in the aerial version and raven in the perk version) and ETC

Also both are goth lol

[unkempt bay]

Scum

[feral atlas]

This character feels so bad now wow

[muted latch]

I can send you a link

[muted latch]

Yep

I don't think I'm a push for Masters again

Unless during mid season they change

[muted latch]

It's not even funny anymore

[unkempt bay]

It’s not meant to be funny

[muted latch]

So then explain

How are we scum?

[feral atlas]

Feels like trudging through mud as him now, not a fan

[muted latch]

I'mma see if I can find a new main

[unkempt bay]

Scum bc BA is still crazy strong

And he can still infinitely fly for some reason

[covert tapir]

Can I get a BA discord link?

Also, BA always struggled for normal people with normal human level reflexes. It's only going to get worse because people like this scum guy run around the various communities bemoaning how strong he is, even though he is constantly outclassed in the only category that matters in high level play. Neutral.

And PFG only listens to the loudest trolls.

[open stream]

Yes, but I have to DM it to you.

[muted latch]

☝️

[covert tapir]

Thank you

[polar laurel]

Man he feels awful rn

And I was being positive for a while

But this last patch was a backbreaker

[polar laurel]

Would appreciate a dm as well

If possible

[open stream]

Got you

And yeah. He def doesn't feel very good right now.

Though evidently I'm #3 Black Adam in 1s and I think #5 in 2s.

[polar laurel]

Good sh*t man

I was #1 in 1’s for a while in S3 but got real bored

I don’t think the fact that he’s getting nerfed is bothering me more so that they’re taking away everything that was fun about him

[open stream]

How are you working around securing stocks

I'm relatively new to MVS. Think I've been playing for a few weeks now so idk what BA used to do. Losing SAIR as a consistent kill option feels terrible, though

[polar laurel]

I feel like I’m forced to use nair a lot more, vertical kills are def weaker now

[open stream]

I know they added cooldowns to his dtilt and fspecial

[polar laurel]

Everything that was special about him at one point has been removed, no more fair cheese, can’t space nair anymore, his command dash has become more and more useless, can’t anti-plank with dtilt anymore, dair has never had good frame data, short range on his jab

He’s in a very tough spot rn

Not nearly as heavy, and compared to other characters hes never had an INCREDIBLE combo game

Fly still broken tho

[open stream]

What changed about fspecial?

[polar laurel]

Well 2 patches ago they just made it cost dodge meter

but in the most recent patch they it made it go no where in burnout as well

so its basically just like the normal dash except with no invisibily and an on cooldown projectile following him around

[open stream]

Oh I thought it worked differently before like gave iframes or something. It cost dodge meter once I started playing so I didn't know it used to be different.

[arctic fjord]

i wish he wasnt one of the worst fighters rn

especially after the last global changes, his kit still floaty while everyone else can fast fall everything black adam floats doing nearly everything

[safe escarp]

they HOED one of the only reasons i even play this game

black adam is mad pooh

[muted latch]

Agreed, I might push him to Masters again depending on mid season.

[muted latch]

Just undermined by his weaknesses

[polar laurel]

I think the fact that he keeps getting hit hard in conjunction with the broken characters getting untouched is the true back breaker

How do Arya and WW still exist in their current state?

[muted latch]

He feels horrible

Can barely kill

[feral atlas]

He still feels pretty good in 2s but people that know how to DI ruin a lot of kill options

I saired someone halfway off the stage at 140 and they didn't die lol

[covert tapir]

The devs don't have a single fighting gamer in the pack (not rare for fg developers, unfortunately). So the only way they balance is based off of community outcry, and of course monetary reasons for newer characters. But the community is filled with trolls that promote their own agenda for their own, likely cheap, characters and cry 'broken' at everything else.

And characters like black adam get the shaft because he's 'annoying' in twos. So he gets nerfed into the ground because fly is good and clap used to be amazing

[polar laurel]

Think there’s also something to be said about character stock. BA admittedly was added for the promotion of a movie and he’s just a super unpopular character in general so PFG probably doesn’t really lose a lot by taking him behind the shed. A character like shaggy however? More to lose there for them.

Not to mention that BA was genuinely busted on release.

Perfect example of a character with real low stock.

WW doesn’t get touched because her stock is through the roof.

And also nakat’s tampering lmfaaaaao but now we’re getting conspiratorial.

[muted latch]

lol

[feral atlas]

In fairness he was more than just annoying, and the game is balanced around 2s being the main mode

He was incredibly degenerate for a while

[tidal crater]

I mean, he still feels really degen with how fast he can cancel into and out of dash attack

Not to mention he can still kill really early and has decent combo dmg

And static perk changes make his curcuit breaker sig a lot better

But people rarely, if ever, use BA

He'll go under the radar for at least the rest of the season

[muted latch]

Are you saying he's underrated?

[muted latch]

Lol nobody uses that

You obviously do not play Black Adam

Me and a bunch of other Master Black Adams agree that he's kind of lackluster right now

[feral atlas]

For 1s he's not in a great spot but in 2s he still is pretty good

[covert tapir]

I think everybody can be viable in 2s. The nature of the mode is chaotic, allowing for all kinds of scummy setups and baiting. Plain ol' synergistic button mashing and a little luck can make any two characters seem like a wall of unfair.

But it's news to me that PFG balances the game around 2s. IF that is true (and I doubt it is) that explains a lot. Because in 1v1 this game is not balanced at all, certainly not for BA.

[muted latch]

Yeah I have a feeling

If that really is true then that's extremely disappointing

[feral atlas]

It's mostly always been a 2s focused game and it was advertised as such for a while even back during Beta. They tweak things as needed for 1s but even when it comes down to base character design they are generally made to be a 2s character first and foremost. 1s is a side mode that functions but it's not where all or much of the attention goes

Nearly all of BA's nerfs were because of 2s (rightfully so) and the compensation changes he got (applying shock gauntlets to teammates hit by any of his projectiles) is 2s oriented. You can see that in the way they buff or nerf a lot of the characters in this game

[muted latch]

Kind of wish there'd be things that were specifically given to him in 1s (kind of like how people have special things for 2s) but I guess make sense that they don't

[unkempt bay]

Scum

[muted latch]

I thought you were supposed to be chill guy

I guess not

Also legit this character is bad now

Oh my bad

You're a little kid

I'm sorry

[muted latch]

coughs Ohio rizz why do you phantom tax on Black Adam why you think he's skippity?

[unkempt bay]

Bros talking to himself 😂🙏🏾

[muted latch]

Number one indicator saying "bro"

Sorry for not being hip enough 😞

[unkempt bay]

Ur just not chill like me lil bro

[amber aspen]

The tournament winner for plat fight in 1s was black Adam

Black Adam is insanely strong.
Jab jab (iad)dair - Jab jab (iad)dair - ** tech chase**

Then repeat FPZ got people to 50%

[feral atlas]

I feel like the dodge attack only taking 1 meter did a lot

I really could not care less about 1s though so my opinion on it won't be accurate regardless

[muted latch]

Fpz is build different that's why

[amber aspen]

Im so happy he won no joke

Finally the devs will nerf him

[rain star]

since the main tech designer was there..

• IAD dair loop might be removed
• Sair repeat lock might be implemented

[amber aspen]

Thank god. So I’m guessing jab jab iAd sair will be gone too

[shrewd cedar]

That doesn't kill til like 160+...

[muted latch]

Even later depending on how much it's used, di, and weight.

And remember kids if you want a character to get nerfed, Cry about it.

[amber aspen]

lol after FPZ won it’s over

[feral atlas]

You say this and yet WW has had insane results in almost everything and they still haven't nerfed her lol, PFG doesn't have a consistent track record of how or why they nerf characters

[amber aspen]

WW is only broken in 2s

2s is not easy to balance

But she’s fine in 1s

And plus a community tournament is way different than plat fight

All fighting game players and enjoyers are watching black Adam doing loops to win a tournament. Meanwhile the person who actually had the most fun gameplay and showed skill lost

They know it’s not a good look for this game that’s why they will take action for the next big patch

[feral atlas]

I'm really not so sure about that but we'll see

[amber aspen]

Black Adam has always been a problem I’m glad it’s all come to light

Although I’m sad the better player lost to FPZ

[feral atlas]

I mean idk why you're making excuses for a player that's not yourself, in a tournament you play to win that's just how it goes

[amber aspen]

I’m not. All I’ve been trying to sad is I’m glad PFG can see how broken black Adam has been

[feral atlas]

It's clearly been on their radar because BA has gotten nerfed in nearly every recent major patch

[amber aspen]

Play to win = meanwhile other games such as Brawlhalla at plat fight used skill to win

[amber aspen]

Not enough it seems

Black Adam has been able to do this loop since for ever

Actually no s1

And not only that he has way bigger feats

[feral atlas]

All I'm saying is if/when they address that they need to give him different routes to make up for it like what they did with Joker

[amber aspen]

Now all the mfs that said black Adam was trash in 1s can shut it 😁

[amber aspen]

He already has good combo game

He doesn’t need extra

[feral atlas]

What does he have outside of that that has any consistency whatsoever

[amber aspen]

Lab him

[feral atlas]

I'm asking what you think he has

In terms of true combos

[amber aspen]

Last time I played him was pre nerf I don’t know if he can still do those things.

[feral atlas]

He has effectively nothing in terms of true combos currently outside of the IAD dair loop

[amber aspen]

#clips message

This is when I used to play him

I didn’t lab him enough but he has quite a lot of combo potential. All I did was just try to find the highest damage combo off jab

Here’s a higher damage one against a Jason but I’m pretty sure uptilt was diable #clips message

[feral atlas]

Everything kind of requires IAD dair though which is my point, the only way they'll nerf the loop is by shortening jab 2 hitstun

And when that happens he has jab jab up tilt which can be DI'd, jab jab side special which uses dodge meter and only confirms into another jab if you dodge cancel which ends up being 2 meter instead of 1. Otherwise you just get an up tilt out of it which again is very inconsistent and can always be DI'd unless you're a big character

[amber aspen]

They don’t have to completely remove iad dair. They could just make the hitstun really tight so you can’t do it two times in a row

That’s what I would do

[amber aspen]

Because of attack decay

[feral atlas]

That's how I'd prefer it, but given their track record they tend to go the easy route for buffing and nerfing things instead of the more thoughtful route

And also just for clarity I'm not saying BA is bad or whatever

Just that it will reinforce a lot of extremely lame playstyles and leave him without much sauce at all

[amber aspen]

True. Devs don’t know what they are doing

[shrewd cedar]

i like the idea here but it would be a kinda bad fix imo. cos of the hitstun difference between characters based on weight, light characters would still get looped (problem not fixed) and heavies would be uncomboable (different problem created)

[feral atlas]

Biggest problem overall is the auto tech system imo

Caused so many issues, more than it really managed to fix

[amber aspen]

If there was no auto tech I would have no problem with the loop

[shrewd cedar]

i personally dont think his iad dair stuff is unfair currently, but it definitely was pre-techs

at least you get a kinda 50/50 now

[feral atlas]

Considering so many characters have something similar I see it as an overall problem and not just a BA problem personally

[amber aspen]

It is unfair

Because even if you guess wrong you won’t get punished that’s the problem

The opponent would be way far away from you

[shrewd cedar]

if you guess wrong you lose advantage

[amber aspen]

Guess right= 50%+
Guess wrong= 27% neutral reset nobody gets punished

That’s exactly how it is

[shrewd cedar]

being 100% real with you, i only think its only not broken cos hes got better stuff

like, jab jab dair jab neutral b does 37 and gives a tech chase on 50% of the roster and can combo further on the other 50%

[amber aspen]

Maybe I don’t know BA that well. All I know is that tech loop is 100% reward 0% risk

[amber aspen]

Ok so even worse

[feral atlas]

Again a lot of characters have something similar to his basic IAD dair loop, not saying it's not a bit dumb but it's an overall issue that I'd like to see change systematically

[amber aspen]

If they aren’t gonna do something about tech I would atleast appreciate if they made the attack decay affect better so the same combo couldn’t be done 3 times in hitstun

[shrewd cedar]

surely if you think this strongly about black adam, you'll lead the charge the complain about joker flower loop

does more damage and is so much easier to input lol

[amber aspen]

I haven’t gotten hit by it yet but a lot of jokers attempt it. Pretty annoying move

Luckily Nubia sidespecial has more priority than jokers move

[feral atlas]

Also this one is super character/DI dependent, way more risk than the reward is worth with how much endlag neutral special has

You can jab neutral special as a starter on pretty much everyone but mid combo or as an extender it won't work out except for a few specific situations

At least vs players that understand DI anyways lol

[amber aspen]

Iad dair = 100% reward 0% risk

Neutral b one= 40% reward 60% risk

Right?

Wait can I ask something. Why do black Adam players spam dash attack?

What’s the hype about that move. I don’t see it

[feral atlas]

It's more like 80% risk imo because the opponent just gets to do whatever they want for free if you whiff it, and a good player that knows the DI will not let you get it

[feral atlas]

Just a bad habit because it works vs people that don't know how to deal with it

[shrewd cedar]

combo starter burst option. a lot of players dont want to fish for jab

[feral atlas]

It's a really strong move

[feral atlas]

Plus this

[amber aspen]

One dude that kept spamming even after I keep punishing it

Almost every BA in 2s I verse use it a lot

Instantly aswell 💀. You can’t even see it coming

[shrewd cedar]

im really not convinced you can DI jab 1 except for off-stage

[feral atlas]

It's more about DI for the jab jab IAD

If they up and out, you have to dodge cancel a jab

Which will bring you too close

[shrewd cedar]

yeah true

[feral atlas]

I generally opt for dash attack after IAD dair for people who DI hard out, puts them in an awful disadvantage because you hit with the end of it

Also ground bounces depending on character weight/DI and when you hit with it so overall it's a strong move

And if there is a strong move in this game players will latch onto it

One more thing about the IAD loop and it in the tournament, I think the biggest thing that caused it was the change that made it so dodge cancelling into an attack doesn't cost extra meter now

It used to be a conscious choice you had to make so you wouldn't put yourself near burnout

But now it is literally free

[muted latch]

So is Black Adam

Anyways I hope they rework him

That's the only way I can imagine that he would be normal again

Because of flight it's kind of hard to balance him

[amber aspen]

And in 1s

[muted latch]

Bro...

You know what? it's not even worth it.

I've argued about this way too many times.

[amber aspen]

Yea u have said stuff like he’s so weak not that good in 1s

[muted latch]

Listen I haven't been playing this patch recently it could be that everyone else got nerfed so much that he's considered the best or something.

Also if he's getting damage off reads isn't that normal?

You said yourself that you did a combo to 74 with Nubia off one read

[amber aspen]

Nubia is not balanced I agree

Nerf the rest of dc and top 5 she will be the best

[amber aspen]

But BA has always been strong

[amber aspen]

Read = 50/50

[muted latch]

That's like all tech reads

Tech is a problem in general

[timber arch]

Is jab n special true? I got hit by it a few times and I wasn't sure if it was a di thing

Forgot to mention but I was around 85-100 percent so it could've just been hit stun being the difference

[feral atlas]

Generally yes depending on character, but it also depends on BA's positioning. Assuming you're Rick bc of your name, it's normally true on him. If BA dodge cancels jab into you though, chances are he can miss the neutral special if you DI down and in especially when low percents

It causes his hand to clip through you

But that's just for if he's basically inside of you when jabbing

Other than low percents I recommend just DI down and away

[timber arch]

Yeah I was on Rick

[feral atlas]

Kills around 130ish depending on stage with good DI

[timber arch]

Cool thank you I'm glad he has that now back when I played him he was pretty one dimensional just spamming Nair I'm glad he has a different combo option

[feral atlas]

Medium percents though/depending on stage you can DI up and away so he can't get as much pressure on you

Especially bc Rick has some pretty safe get off me moves

[timber arch]

I'm honestly shocked Rick didn't get nerfed with the dodge changes

[feral atlas]

Yeah he's really insane right now

[timber arch]

Ba with Jake is a pretty crazy 2v2 duo though

[timber arch]

Upsets me honestly because I know he's getting gutted next major update

[feral atlas]

For sure, BA really shines as a 2s character imo

[timber arch]

I like when he was mid-high tier

[feral atlas]

Yeah PFG either god buffs or nukes there is rarely an inbetween

[timber arch]

Got hit by Jake bite then clap just kills at zero it was shocking

[timber arch]

I hate it!!

Wish we could just slightly tweak characters, but we get updates once every month. They're just bombs, it's frustrating

[feral atlas]

80% of the time they buff a character I feel like they hardly needed it, we just need the top end to not be so oppressive instead of bringing more characters to that level

[feral atlas]

For real

[timber arch]

Exactly

I'm sure it's difficult balancing for both 1v1 and 2v2 but that's no excuse for giga nerfing characters to be un playable

Tone down the crazy combos that the super high tiers have and slightly buff the lower characters slowly bring balance

No hate to any Marvin players but in my eyes he's like the one character that's been like bottom tier since s1

[feral atlas]

It's all made worse by a lot of these characters having one or two insane moves or mechanics that are so reliable and always active, and they never nerf the root causes of issues

There is just a lot of cheese in this game that needs thought over again, like Superman armor spam, Jake bite, WW armor, etc

Even Jason sleeping bag is a problem now in 2s because they have buffed his kit so much. Nair into sleeping bag is literally a free kill if his teammate follows up, on top of being able to get both enemies at the same time

[timber arch]

Yeah, they sorta shot themselves in the foot with the balancing design.

[timber arch]

Nair bag is true? That's insane! On some maps with closer blast zones, bag just kills outright. With a followup as you said, stocks can be taken even earlier

[feral atlas]

Yeah, nair can ground bounce and it gives enough time to get sleeping bag out

It's actually insane

[timber arch]

That is broken

There was a very brief time where jab bag was nearly true messed around in unranked with that for awhile

[feral atlas]

Yeah I think it's still true if you have rage for jab 1

[prisma hemlock]

What are Black Adam’s weaknesses?

[prisma hemlock]

Ain’t no way it’s this quiet in here with all the Black Adam players I’ve went up against lol

[covert tapir]

Look at the history of this place. It's been cleared out by trolls spreading fake news about black adam being overpowered.

BA players got tired of fighting the war and moved on to the real Black Adam discord

He's slow, poor recovery on pretty much everything and lacks kill potential outside of hard reads. His jab is underwhelming, though it leads to a nice combo (much like the rest of the cast) and weird hitboxes make his shenanigans unreliable. He has terrible approach tools and his side special costs meter, despite it doing very little and having a cool down, making fly his only good movement tool. And, while it's one of the best movement tools in the game, it doesn't make up for the rest of his lackluster kit. He's been nerfed into the ground mostly because the community was constantly complaining about him. He still makes plays with a clap read, so a good player can f you up if you're unfamiliar or predictable, but outside of 2v2s (where the playing field is kind of evened across the board) he will generally get out-everythinged by the usual suspects in one on one situations. If you're having a lot of trouble with him 1v1 just shield and punish when he tries to fly in, as it's really his only option against a knowledgeable opponent.

[torn carbon]

I’ve unlocked Black Adam by the Fighter Road, but I can’t seem to complete the mission of using his down special (Shu’s Protection) to destroy projectiles. I can’t seem what I’m doing wrong here. Any tips will be really helpful. Thank you. This mission is really hard for me to compete and I have to do it 3 times in order to complete this tough mission. Again any advice and tips to help me complete this mission will be really helpful. Thank you.

[heavy fractal]

There's a rift in Season 1 Surf's Up on the top path against Lebron and Aria that automatically gives them ball projectiles every few seconds. Try doing it in that match. Or if that doesn't work, try it in the Season 2 Cyber rift in one of the battles against the multiple Tom and Jerry groups.

[covert tapir]

Black Adam is proof that if the loudest people who play the scrubbiest top-tiers whine a lot, PFG will nerf an entire character into the floor.

Meanwhile, Batman will never be bad cause WB poster boy.

[open stream]

Seems you were right @covert tapir

[jolly harness]

Feelsbadman

Anyone else having wonky interactions with the hand hitbox on neutral special? At least on bugs it's flinging them out of the shock ball range before it connects. P annoying

[jolly harness]

At least when I do jab n special

[open stream]

You can't Jab2. Jab1 > Nspecial is consistent

[jolly harness]

Oh it's cause I was angling the ball down. Old habit. RIP

Yeah I've always done jab 1 > n special tho. Gonna be my go to after jab 1 > jump dair

[jolly harness]

Posted in #clips where the hand hitbox is def knocking them out of the way. Wild

[covert tapir]

This patch proves how out of touch PFG is with reality. Here comes another nerf, cause everybody that doesn't play BA whines about BA. It's not like I blame them at this juncture. They're out of jobs. But the road has been telling, and honestly, I hope the 2 guys in charge of balancing never work in game development again. They're bad at it.

[safe escarp]

he just slow af

and mildy inconsistent

[dense crown]

Are there any Variants for the character with unique voicelines? Besides the Man in Black