Black Adam

[marble garnet]

you playing black adam 💀

if you want a reason to be mad play rick for 5 seconds

that character just isnt fun to use anymore

[mild vortex]

I was literally playing rick :)

[marble garnet]

oh no

[mild vortex]

Yeah, really wanted to pick up a 2nd and every other character just feels like...bleh. The game feels grey?

[cerulean pecan]

I use to pray for times like this

[cerulean pecan]

That makes sense

[cerulean pecan]

It’s bc they nerf the wrong character lol

[silent turret]

It cant get any worse 🔥 until it does 🗣️

[muted latch]

Waiting till they rework Black Adam

And maybe the whole game while they're at it

[feral atlas]

What would you like to see them do to him

[muted latch]

Make neutral grounded and neutral special more usable in 1V1s. Of course in exchange for nerfing some of his annoying/broken moves.

[feral atlas]

Only thing I could see them doing in regards to that is reverting it to its final Beta patch state cooldown and all

[muted latch]

Never played the beta so no idea what you mean.

[feral atlas]

It used to have about a 7-9 second cooldown, but it came out a lot faster and its velocity was MUCH quicker. It also grabbed them for less time so it was more of an instant throw

But, in turn, its hitbox started directly at his hand, so you could jab jab neutral special

[cerulean pecan]

Scum

[muted latch]

I think that's pretty smart and would make him less powerful in 2v2s.

[somber shoal]

needs huge nerfs

not even small nerfs

just huge nerfs

[cerulean pecan]

Black Adam needs to be reworked completely

[silent turret]

Yeah they should make him like izanami

[muted latch]

Something I actually agree with

[cerulean pecan]

There is quite literally no counter play to his flying at all

[muted latch]

This is where we disagree, but at least we agree on getting him a rework.

[cerulean pecan]

Yah ur finna tell that BA mid right

[silent turret]

God forbid a character have a strong tool that also has workarounds

Matchup specific as it is

[muted latch]

No

[muted latch]

Spoke my mind

It's always hard to balance a game especially a game like multiverses.

[prisma citrus]

he's broken

way over tuned

why are all adams delusional

they act like he'sa mid tier when he barley has any counters and broken skills

[silent turret]

Cant believe id say black adam is mid tier...

Oh

Wait

I didnt

[prisma citrus]

not specifically you

that was a general message for the morons who thing theyre sht for playing him

[silent turret]

No one amounts to anything playing any character in this game lol

[prisma citrus]

true

but it especiialy apllies to adam

[silent turret]

No it doesnt sister

[prisma citrus]

yes it does

most problem characters ahve a few moves that make them cheese to fight

adam's entire kit is just cheese

[muted latch]

Okay let's compare him to someone like shaggy right?
Just a few things shaggy has that Black Adam doesn't.
Shaggy: has a kill confirm out of jab, 0td, consistent combos, great perks, zoning tool,

Not to say black Adam is bad, but can you really say he's the most broken?

[prisma citrus]

yes. shaggy can kill a lot faster, but adam is very durable

he can very easily sway a fight into the way he wants

waant them to stay back, use the spammable ranged lightning stuff

fighting a mage, just drop your anti projectile field.

therye uselss for like 35 secconds

you anywhere off the map?

just up special and complletely control your y-axis

on top of that a lot of his attacks are just stringy in general

comboing isnt exacly hard

[muted latch]

very punishable (unless you mean side special) in which case that has a cool down.

[muted latch]

Certain characters can just Spam until it's broken

[muted latch]

Correct although it's inconsistent

[muted latch]

Yep this I agree with

[prisma citrus]

thats not an excuse. nothing sohuld be around the stage for that long. batman's down special is jsut a balanced version of this move

[prisma citrus]

doenst make him bad

[muted latch]

It is a problem for specific characters

[prisma citrus]

it sohudlnt be designed like that period

no filed should have that much time on stage

[muted latch]

I know but dropping a combo means that you might get punished

[prisma citrus]

and have that big an impact

[prisma citrus]

what does punishment even mean

he can bounce back easily

i havnt even gone over clap yet

[muted latch]

lol that move is.......ye

I don't mind if they tone down his moves if they gave him consistency

[prisma citrus]

stop downplaying this guy. the stuff that he is reall really good at makes up for weaknesses on moves that are already not even bad

[muted latch]

I'm not but because I play him I know that he has weaknesses

[prisma citrus]

he doessnt have enough

its disproportionate

[muted latch]

If you really want to see how hard a character is you have to play him yourself

[prisma citrus]

why dont you try marvin

try an actually hard charatcer

[muted latch]

Tried LeBron

[prisma citrus]

he actaully struggles to kill

he cant just no you enemy attacks

you need to think wiht him

[muted latch]

The balance of the game is up to season 3 there's clearly good and bad characters.

[prisma citrus]

adam is one of the good ones by a large margin

[muted latch]

Ok

[silent turret]

Dont exist

[prisma citrus]

velma

[silent turret]

Who

[prisma citrus]

what

[silent turret]

When where how???

[cerulean pecan]

If u don’t think Adam a problem than that’s saying something

Bro jsut infinitely flies no meter no cooldown

He’s broken asf

[feral atlas]

Here's a list of things I want to see happen that might make him healthier.

Make sair only do its second swing if you hit with the first attack. Fix up air/up attack hitbox so it's only the lightning that hits and not all the way into his torso. Make clap smaller but keep everything else the same about it. Make lightning grab come out faster, seek targets faster, and have less endlag, but give it a 7 second or so cooldown. After all of that, see if there are still problems with flight, but I think it'd be fine without changing it if he caught some significant changes elsewhere

Maybe give ammo to ground down attack again too because it's a bit degenerate

[cerulean pecan]

Scum

[grave frost]

Eww this place stinks

[rugged sigil]

Scum

[cerulean pecan]

😭🙏🏾

[feral atlas]

LMAO

[muted latch]

This place became a gathering of haters. instead of a place where black Adams come to learn.

[grave frost]

Spam down air

Spam side air

Spam n air

Great tutorial am i right?

[kind tangle]

☹️

[cerulean pecan]

He’s one of the most broken characters in the game what do yall need to learn

[feral atlas]

Pretty much always has been, nobody wants to learn how to play him without being scummy and everybody hates to go against him

Especially since a lot of people migrated to him and just started playing backline in 2s in the most obnoxious ways possible which highlights his design flaws

[honest badge]

Lmao

[kind tangle]

☹️

[amber aspen]

Man I wish uptilt was true

This would have been nice to hit #clips message

[cerulean pecan]

And I wish u had some self respect and played a different character

But hey scum is scum

[amber aspen]

Dang bruh

[muted latch]

U can say that to the meta loving freaks. I play him cuz I have fun and like his character design.

[amber aspen]

I cant play characters to more?

[amber aspen]

Fr and he’s not even my main

[muted latch]

Exactly

[cerulean pecan]

Yah u can’t I’m sorry bro I don’t make the rules

[cerulean pecan]

Bro doesn’t own a mirror

Ur a meta loving freak scum

[muted latch]

I'll be playing someone better then. And don't tell me Black Adams the best you know he's not. (I'm not saying he's bad)

[cerulean pecan]

He’s top 4

[muted latch]

In your opinion. And a lot of pro players think otherwise.

[cerulean pecan]

Who doesn’t think that BA isn’t broken lol why lie

[muted latch]

Not everyone. (And not just people who use Black Adam)

Of course people's opinions don't matter when it comes to hard facts.

[cerulean pecan]

BA is broken that’s a fact

[cerulean pecan]

Yah ppl who are in bronze don’t think that

What rank are u ?

[muted latch]

Diamond

[cerulean pecan]

Diamond what?

2s or 1s

[muted latch]

V 1s

[cerulean pecan]

Yah well that makes sense

That’s all I needed to know

[muted latch]

How?

[muted latch]

He's good that's a fact. All u have to do to is check the top 100 leaderboard.

[cerulean pecan]

Ur like silver 5 but since u play BA Ur diamond 5 so ur game sense is on par with a sliver player thats not playing anyone broken

[cerulean pecan]

Nah he’s broken

[muted latch]

I'm almost in diamond with Jason. Plat 1

[cerulean pecan]

Bro doesn’t have a disadvantage state or burn out

[cerulean pecan]

Yah that’s not helping ur case Jason is brain dead as well😭🙏🏾

[muted latch]

Bruh

Whatever you say man

[cerulean pecan]

Bro plays broken and brain dead characters

[muted latch]

Who should I play then?

[cerulean pecan]

That’s why u dotn understand when characters are broken

Bc the game plays itself for u

Next bros finna say that Jason is c tier

[muted latch]

💀 I know he's not that bad.

[muted latch]

....

[cerulean pecan]

A lot of other characters

Velma 💀

[muted latch]

In your opinion tell me all the skillful characters.

[cerulean pecan]

I ain’t listing all that

But BA is def broken

It’s ok to be scum bro

[muted latch]

Damn okay.

[feral atlas]

He isn't broken in 1s at all

In 2s he is but in 1s it's genuinely a skill issue lol

[cerulean pecan]

Nice ragebajt buddy

[feral atlas]

Learn to get better it's not our problem

[stark copper]

Adam is balanced

[cerulean pecan]

Yah nice rage bait almost had me

[cerulean pecan]

Nice try lol

[grave frost]

What game is bro playing 😭🙏

[muted latch]

Black Adam is a high tier in 1s top 10 even, 2s it's 😅.

[cerulean pecan]

Bro I swear ppl me making their own versions of the game😭🙏🏾

[muted latch]

People like to do that 😭🙏

[sacred tide]

Did he get a buff recently?

[bronze folio]

They acting like yall playing Bugs or something

[muted latch]

No

[feral atlas]

He got a weight nerf but that's the only change that has been made lately

[stark copper]

Fair and balanced

[cerulean pecan]

Bro has a special copy of multiversus

[kind tangle]

☹️

[amber aspen]

40% damage combo for black Adam main(ingame)

#combos message

[amber aspen]

chill with hate bro

[cerulean pecan]

Nah I’m good

[kind tangle]

☹️

[grave frost]

Ewwwww

Black Adam mains

[cerulean pecan]

Scum

[muted latch]

....

[amber aspen]

Morty is one of the least respectable characters 😭

[grave frost]

He is just annoying

Black Adam is straight up broken

[muted latch]

Morty has kill confirms and a zero to death

[grave frost]

He doesnt have a 0 to death

Plud

His only consistent kill comfirm is dirt up air

[feral atlas]

There are only like 3 or 4 characters that are allowed to complain about other characters in this game, everyone is just different degrees of broken lmao

[muted latch]

What about Sair up air?

[grave frost]

Not consistent

[muted latch]

#combos message

[grave frost]

But it works sometimes

[muted latch]

Every single one of Black Adams kill confirms are inconsistent.

[grave frost]

Lol nice joke

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Side air is consistent

[muted latch]

I'm being serious

[grave frost]

Nair is consistent

[muted latch]

It's a consistent kill move

There's a difference

[grave frost]

Sooo whats the difference

[muted latch]

Throwing them out raw is always a bad idea cuz you can get punished. yes even neutral can get punished.

[grave frost]

If this really worked on a real match u would see Mortys on basically every tournament

[muted latch]

Which is why kill confirms are necessary

[muted latch]

It probably does work in a real match just not that many people know about it

[grave frost]

Down special into side air

[muted latch]

Somewhat consistent, also that is punishable.

[grave frost]

Its just not consistent, u know how hard all that follow up is on a real match

[feral atlas]

Inconsistent depending on range

[grave frost]

Bro u guys acting like Black Adams kill moves are incosistent

[feral atlas]

They explicitly said kill confirms

[grave frost]

Nair and sair are up consistent

[muted latch]

Kill moves are consistent, side air does drop sometimes though.

[feral atlas]

Not kill moves

[grave frost]

Up attack also works

[muted latch]

You barely see people use that. Hold on you're being vague.

[grave frost]

It can follow up to a kill move

[feral atlas]

Ground or air?

[grave frost]

No u dont its super spammable and it has armor for some reason

[grave frost]

Both

[feral atlas]

For ground, DI lol

Plus small characters get out easy

[muted latch]

Buddy it's not expendable, and it's very punishable, and you could di out of it really consistently.

[muted latch]

Was playing against a stripe lightning didn't hit once the entire set.

[feral atlas]

Like they intentionally made it very DIable if you're always getting hit by the lightning it's on you

[muted latch]

And people complain about Black Adams flying ability. But that's what makes him special. Just like Tom and Jerry, you have Jerry. Batman has batarang, and so on.

[feral atlas]

At low percents it hits more consistently but at high percents it's one of the worst things to go for

[grave frost]

Give it stacks like supermans lasers

Or maybe just cooldown

[feral atlas]

Give it a meter that needs recharged by being on the ground imo

[grave frost]

No

[muted latch]

Bro

[grave frost]

Stacks is enough

[feral atlas]

??

What do you mean by stacks

[muted latch]

Then what would it do on cooldown?

[feral atlas]

Like ammo?

[grave frost]

Yeay

Yeah*

Like Mortys granades

[feral atlas]

So you want the move to be gutted

[muted latch]

I don't think this is what needs changing it's more over his overall kit.

[feral atlas]

Meter makes infinitely more sense than ammo and makes it worse in a reasonable way

[grave frost]

Lil bro its a free recover move

😭😭

[muted latch]

And iron Giant has a get out of jail free option. On top of being unkillable.

[grave frost]

Ok so nerf that too

[feral atlas]

And giving it a cooldown would make BA unusable lol his entire kit revolves around it. Cooldown is a terrible balancing decision

[grave frost]

Nerf both

[grave frost]

No it would not 🙏😭😭😭

[feral atlas]

Do you play the character

[grave frost]

Its just ammo

What abt u manage ur stuff

Instead of just spamming moves

[feral atlas]

Nice assumption

[grave frost]

Oh wait is that too hard

[muted latch]

The only reason why I used clap more than needed is cuz I can't kill out of jab.

[feral atlas]

Can I recommend getting better at the game

[muted latch]

It's pretty easy to punish someone for spamming

[grave frost]

Up air is just a Ricks portal

Up special*

[muted latch]

No it's not

[feral atlas]

What

[grave frost]

But u can use it anytime

Its basically a free recover move

[feral atlas]

That is an atrocious comparison

[muted latch]

Not in most cases actually

[grave frost]

Ur downplaying is atrocious

[feral atlas]

Portal is rarely used for recovery anyways

I'm not downplaying I'm correcting you

Black Adam is an incredibly strong character

[mint mountain]

He also gets comboed for centuries tho

[feral atlas]

But your suggestions are trash lol

[muted latch]

And just like every character he has weaknesses

Sorry not like every character

[grave frost]

Black Adam should not have a free recover move

[muted latch]

It's not free and you know it

Is it a great recovery option yeah

Free? no

[grave frost]

Yes it is just press up special 😭

[feral atlas]

And giving ammo/cooldown is the lazy way to fix it and in turn makes him not function well

[muted latch]

You're acting like you reset back to neutral if you press this button.

[mint mountain]

Its interceptable

Thats the main thing

[feral atlas]

Giving it a meter like IG jets or Beta Superman ice breath is the best way to balance it

[mint mountain]

If you leave him alone hes vibing

[mint mountain]

^

[muted latch]

Probably

[mint mountain]

Just like something like Rob from SSBU

Super simple fix

[feral atlas]

Encourages less stalling with it and allows him to be punished

[mint mountain]

I’d agree to nerfing BA some but also please fix his multihits lol

[feral atlas]

But keeps it viable

Every nerf suggestion I see is just people wanting him gutted because he's annoying lol

[mint mountain]

I get how it is to play a character that relies on multihits in other games

Its horruble

[mint mountain]

Same with every other character in this game

[feral atlas]

I'd love to see power shift around in his moveset and get some nerfs in turn but while making him more consistent overall

[muted latch]

True, they refuse to look at his weaknesses ex. Neutral ground and neutral special.

[feral atlas]

It's crazy

[mint mountain]

Btw most people downplay their mains like super downplay em

[muted latch]

This is what I've been asking for for centuries.

[feral atlas]

I complain too but people just want every character but their own to be trash

[feral atlas]

Oh yeah I know

[mint mountain]

I get you my guy

I think we’ve both seen the spectrum lol

[feral atlas]

I actively try not to but most opinions about BA are just blatantly wrong and based off of being annoyed by his kit

[feral atlas]

A lot of his tools are super situational but extremely annoying when usable

[muted latch]

People just get annoyed because of clap and Sair.

[grave frost]

Clearly u know ur doing it rn

[feral atlas]

I'm literally not

Where did I downplay

Reply to the message

[muted latch]

Yep if I use neutral special and I miss I'm probably dead.

[grave frost]

Saying that a up special nerf was going to gutt black adam

[muted latch]

Bro are you aware that your character is really good?

[grave frost]

Wich is dumb

[feral atlas]

Not an up special nerf

Your idea of a nerf

[grave frost]

Ok, and?????

[feral atlas]

I literally suggested a nerf LMAO

[muted latch]

I don't care if he gets nerfed I just want a more consistent kit.

[feral atlas]

Giving it a base cooldown would objectively make BA awful

[muted latch]

Not objectively it would be awful

[feral atlas]

But giving it a meter would be a justified and fair nerf

[mint mountain]

I just hate the ladder stuff tbh

Basically getting 0TDed

[feral atlas]

Being able to float and pressure people so high up is absolutely an issue, but nerfing up special in a way that makes it unusable for like 5-7 seconds at a time effectively disables him

[feral atlas]

I agree

One air dodge read and it's over on a lot of stages

[muted latch]

On high percentages though like 70 to 80

[feral atlas]

Depends on the stage

I have gotten a lot of 30-40 percent kills

[feral atlas]

Btw for people in the chat that actually play this character here is a funny knowledge check I've been pulling for a long time now, I haven't seen a single other BA use airwalker #clips message

[amber aspen]

Looks nice for cheap kills ngl

[cerulean pecan]

Agreed

Scum

[feral atlas]

It makes recovering from below ledge a lot safer because it's another option they have to consider

Tradeoff is half your dodge meter though

[amber aspen]

Uptilt have armour is so much better too

If you 100% know they gonna attack you, you will win

Imma use airwalker

[feral atlas]

Yep

Also side special off of airwalker keeps its momentum, that's what I mainly use it for

You can stall in blastzone with fly while your teammate frees up space for you to come back

Then airwalker platform > side special and you zoom to the stage

[amber aspen]

I don’t really play black Adam

I only picked him up to use that one combo but I might have to try him out in ranked 👀

[cerulean pecan]

Scum

[amber aspen]

Who do u main

Just watch bro say wonderwoman

[cerulean pecan]

Rick

[amber aspen]

Black Adam skill> Rick skill

[cerulean pecan]

L ragebair

[amber aspen]

Being serious.

Ricks don’t do anything special

[grave frost]

What is bro saying 😭😭😭😭

Never cook again pls

[amber aspen]

Have you seen black Adam’s dodge read potential

[grave frost]

Dodge read aint a big deal

Thats bcs side ir is super good

Have u seen Ricks set up potential???

[amber aspen]

Upair - sair is such a crazy read

[grave frost]

Not really

[amber aspen]

Which one?

The ones that was last patch

Or the ones that are diable

[grave frost]

He has a lot of setups

[grave frost]

All in general

[amber aspen]

His combos are mid now

And set ups

[mint mountain]

To me main thing is he has good movement, a solid recovery, and uair is just absurd for ladders

BA’s stage control to me is nuts, and then some of his hitboxes are dumb but thats most characters

[cerulean pecan]

Bro plays an op character abs thinks it’s skill

[cerulean pecan]

What rank are u bro

[amber aspen]

#clips message

How is this not skill?

[amber aspen]

I’m silver 4 with joker

[cerulean pecan]

What’s ur highest rank?

[cerulean pecan]

What about that combo was skill

Bros playing a different game

[amber aspen]

💀💀💀

[amber aspen]

Bro it’s a 10 hit combo

[amber aspen]

Silver 4 is my highest rank

[cerulean pecan]

Ahh makes sense

[amber aspen]

And you?

[cerulean pecan]

Anything works in that rank lol

[cerulean pecan]

I’m GM

[amber aspen]

Aight what’s ur name

I’ll look you up

[cerulean pecan]

DIDDYYKING

[amber aspen]

That is NOT bro

[cerulean pecan]

U want proof lol

[amber aspen]

Dawg does NOT go outside

[amber aspen]

But regardless that combo still took skill

@ me when find a Rick combo over 9 hits

[cerulean pecan]

I got u

Go ahead and check clips bum

[feral atlas]

Saying this but acting like Rick's jab jab sair is any more skillful is pretty ironic though

[cerulean pecan]

It’s bit but his combo route is tho

Nice try tho

[feral atlas]

Idk what that sentence is trying to say

[cerulean pecan]

What I meant to say is that part isn’t but is other part of his combo route is

[feral atlas]

I'd agree there are parts to it that take skill but imo in general there are very very few combo routes that take much effort for any character

So it's not really a great point to make to argue a character is broken. How escapable/the damage you get out of it is a good point to make though

Because there are things like Joker where you get hit by his jab 1 and literally have zero options other than take the damage

At least with BA's, his exentions are very DI dependent and the auto tech put his IAD dair in line

He still has broken parts of his kit but his combos aren't really anything amazing with how escapable they are imo

[muted latch]

Oh hell yeah.

[muted latch]

Okay to be Fair I've seen Rick do way cooler things.

[muted latch]

For real? Now I see why you're #1 glazer

[cerulean pecan]

How?

[muted latch]

Cuz you play so much.

[cerulean pecan]

Havent played in 2 weeks but ok

[muted latch]

But you said you're a gm

[cerulean pecan]

Yah I’ve been a grandmaster since the launch of rank

[muted latch]

@cerulean pecan it's about that time.

[cerulean pecan]

What?

[muted latch]

Scum?

[amber aspen]

He’s changed

I wanna try out beetle juice not a lot of people play him

[cerulean pecan]

He always me scum in my eyes

[austere veldt]

Are all yall happy with BA nerfs, or is he still OP lol

[feral shard]

What did they do black adam

I just got hit by 4 sairs in a row from him and I couldn't dodge from it

[feral atlas]

The nerfs specifically target the people who were playing super degenerate with him and not the people who play him normally so I'm happy

[austere veldt]

Nice I think he’s in a good spot too, his neutral special sounds like it would be good in 1v1 but have to test. Little sad about the dodge meter usage for side special but I think it’s justified with the increased movement and shizz

[austere veldt]

Honestly the movement buffs across the board might make him more of a menace but only time will tell

[austere veldt]

You should have clipped it

[feral shard]

I should have

[wanton urchin]

Whyd they nerf ba so much?

[mild vortex]

2's.

[wanton urchin]

2’s?

[mild vortex]

2v2. He's problematic there because of tools like clap

[wanton urchin]

So put a cooldown on all of his moves is the solution?

[wanton urchin]

The clap wasnt even that bad

[mild vortex]

Don't let the 10,000 BA haters that live in this chat hear you say that

This chat is 99% hatred 1% silence

[amber aspen]

I dropped him

[wanton urchin]

Joined the discord today to read the patch notes. Genuinely sad becuz the only character i use has been nerfed to 💩

[feral shard]

He's still good

[muted latch]

Skill issue

[muted latch]

Damn y tho?

[feral shard]

Probably

Idk for sure if it was true but it felt true

Haven't fought any other black adams yet so idk

[muted latch]

There's a multitude of reasons why it wouldn't work

Or should I say why it wasn't true

[feral shard]

If it was true it was probably because I'm iron giant

Still lame tho

[muted latch]

Bro why didn't you say this in the beginning?

[feral shard]

Because it looked like it'd be true regardless

But you're a BA player and I'm not so you probably know more than I do

[muted latch]

Yep although sometimes if you exhaust all your options it can become true so I'm not sure right now.

@mild vortex is it me or is clap way smaller like not 10% smaller.

[leaden matrix]

it is

a lot more smaller

i saw it against me and it felt like a totally new move

[muted latch]

I have to change my entire play style now.

[mild vortex]

Oh I dropped the game for now, I just exist here as a phantom, a specter of depression and sadness that the game feels in general worse

[muted latch]

I see....

[amber aspen]

I didn’t find him that fun

I am even dropping stripe for this reason too, the character who I got diamond in 1s with

[muted latch]

Ah

[feral atlas]

Man that side special nerf hit him harder than anything else imo. He burns through dodge meter like crazy now

[muted latch]

Yeah that's one of the major changes

Clap feels way weirder.

Everything overall

[feral atlas]

I feel like it needs changed to half a dodge meter and not full

[muted latch]

Yeah

It should one Dodge is too much

[feral atlas]

Especially because it doesn't actually give invulnerability like Arya's down tilt does

[wicked raft]

Has Adam's nerfs made him noticeably worse? Asking cuz he still feels the exact same to fight

[feral atlas]

Definitely. Not enough to make him a bad character, but enough to where bad players generally can't just use the cheesiest parts of his kit endlessly

Good players will be doing mostly the same things they've been doing

[prisma citrus]

a little bit but he's still spammy trash so about hthe same all in all

[muted latch]

Exactly I just have to adjust my play style a bit.

[grave frost]

Nah

Its fine as 1 dodge

It goes pretty fas

Far*

And its pretty insane for movement

[muted latch]

Bro

You don't play him

You don't know how detrimental it is

[grave frost]

To have an free dodge that does dmg

?

[muted latch]

It's not a Dodge

It's like a half a Dodge

[grave frost]

It goes pretty far and its pretty fast

[muted latch]

Okay no it doesn't and I don't feel like arguing

[grave frost]

You can use it to dodge attack

[little sage]

best perk loadout?

[leaden matrix]

Shortcircuit, Flammable, last stand or wings, pugilist

[rain star]

**Really depends. For 2s. **

• SigPerk: 5%
• Perk1: Ignite or Snowball (Depending on tm8's perk1). +You would like to stack both SnowBall and Ignite.
• Perk2: Laststand (Wings is very situational).
• Perk3: Puglist.

**As for 1s. **

• SigPerk: 5%
• Perk1: Snowball
• Perk2: Laststand
• Perk3: Pug

[unreal turret]

He’s…

Not good at higher levels of play anymore imo

At all

Way too slow, easy to whiff punish, has no really solid neutral options anymore

Down normal is

Pretty useless now

Clap is okayish

The lighting grab is…. Useful one time?

Also for a character that needs to manage resources

The side special being a major method to his approach and combo game costing meter hurts him the most

All in all

Play Batman

Drop Adam

Or play smith

Smith and Batman and Morty are the biggest winners in this patch

[muted latch]

I agree with a lot of this

Although down air is now his best approach option

And can lean into a lot of good things

[muted latch]

how high?

And I'm still not dropping him because he's got a sick looking skin this season

[feral atlas]

I need to play him some more to really get a feel for the changes, I've been on the Beetlejuice grind lately

[unreal turret]

I'm already master and I kinda just

don't wanna play the man

at all

it's miserable

I swapped to jack and pushing bro to master rn almost there

My general opinion on adam is: play bro if you like him ig?

There's better characters in his role rn by a mile

[muted latch]

Okay you got me scared there for a second. I thought you were in like gold or something, but yes I agree with what you said above.

[unreal turret]

Lmao no

I wouldn't talk about adam if I was gold

[muted latch]

Fair enough

[unreal turret]

He's "fine" there's just way more interesting characters to play rn

[muted latch]

Ye

[unreal turret]

far more complex kits with more mix up options, less whiff punish, and better neutral/combo game

all adam had was: bro hit big if he gets in

he just has garbage neutral rn imo

that getting in is not easy

they also just buffed mobility across the board

and it affected adam the least

☠️

[muted latch]

lol funny how true this is

[unreal turret]

like

I feel like jason

except jason actually is a tank and can kill early

Like no joke

JASON

is better than adam imo

the armor grab did wonders for his kit

[muted latch]

Na I play both

[unreal turret]

same

[muted latch]

Oh wait hold on

[unreal turret]

I main like batman, jack, adam, and jason

I really wanna try smith and ppg tho

they look super fun

smith has tons of combo game post buffs too

garnet also looks super fun ngl

[muted latch]

Ye

[unreal turret]

like

I just find adam

so

so boring

he has nothing of interest and his kit is super basic

and very readable

[muted latch]

I still think he's fun it's just a lot of his moves are not usable

[unreal turret]

and whiff punishable

[unreal turret]

I think I just got bored ngl

the routes are very

similar

there are some read differences here and there

[muted latch]

neutral air 💀

[unreal turret]

but nothing crazy

neutral air is a meme

like

that shizz

at gm

bro

people complain OHHHH they clapped bro

and I'm like

brother

dodge

flipping dodge and you get a free whiff punish

[muted latch]

Fr tho

[unreal turret]

like

people are like: oh yeah lightning grab now that's a whiff punish move not clap

and I'm like

what the flip is your definition of whiff punish

stand still for 3 seconds

☠️

[muted latch]

LMAO

[unreal turret]

the loss of down normal was the worst thing they could do imo

it was such a strong neutral option

it's just

[muted latch]

Neutral ground is also horrible no one gets hit by that garbage.

[unreal turret]

bad now

6 second cool down?

for that crap?

lmao

it forced people to have to approach adam at some point

they can't just say

haha I stand here you big dummy approach me

[muted latch]

lol it's because of 2v2s they didn't care about people who played 1v1s

[unreal turret]

yeah....

but if 2s was the issue bro

just the lightning grab nerf was all they had to do

like really

that was it

lightning grab in 2s was busted

I think adam is

mediocre in 2s

[muted latch]

Down was also good in 2s

[unreal turret]

just play like morty or steven for a support

or rick

[unreal turret]

true but it was a neutral option you could easily just

not get hit by

it was just to force some space

and some off stage pressure

[muted latch]

Now I think about it all of these neffs or specifically because he was strong in twos

[unreal turret]

agree

and they make him a meme in 1s imo

and mediocre in 2

he was a good partner for someone like garnet or ww in 2s

now just

[muted latch]

I feel like his jab is one of the slowest in the game. Am I wrong for that?

[unreal turret]

replace adam with the actual high tiers in 2s for a partner

like rick, morty, and steven

[unreal turret]

it's medium I'd say

like middle of the pack

[muted latch]

But it's hitbox does not help

[unreal turret]

if you miss the first jab you kinda get screwed tho

other jabs aren't like that

[muted latch]

Fr

[unreal turret]

the first jab is the only good one

other jabs have like

a whole string that's fine

the only good part of adam's jab is the first one

it's a solid speed and good reach

you miss that

get out

don't even try the second one

☠️ that shizz some dog water

[muted latch]

Oh it's trash

I feel like they need a change jab 3

Just bad

No good use for it

[unreal turret]

well

[muted latch]

Doesn't lead into anything

[unreal turret]

it has one use

off stage

if you want to send em there

that's about it

they need to be high percent tho

[muted latch]

That's a like high percentages and that's if you're facing the right direction to begin with

[unreal turret]

yep

very

very specific

I just think adam is a meme rn

like genuinely

he went from being like high tier in 1s and 2s to like

[muted latch]

He doesn't have any kill confirms at least not any I'm aware of.

[unreal turret]

yeah this shizz is a real nerf

[unreal turret]

it's all reads

but those reads man

you land them

oh boy

they flipping die ☠️

[muted latch]

They feel so good

[unreal turret]

yeah

he's super read heavy

that's the one part of his character that's fun

but without good neutral

ehh

not worth imo

[muted latch]

Ye

[unreal turret]

the whole point of adam was using his difficult neutral game to force an approach or get space for a good appraoch

with down normal and side special sometimes a down special or dair

[muted latch]

There's just better characters like Batman he's got kill confirms, has control over neutral. Easy 0 to 40 combos.

[unreal turret]

side special into bubble is great too

[unreal turret]

yep

[muted latch]

Why do people complain about Adam so much?

[unreal turret]

because he's a much easier character to pick up than batman

and makes low tier players feel he's op

[muted latch]

Ig

[unreal turret]

batman, smith, morty, jack, etc in 1s at higher level rn make adam a meme

they have so much control

even before you had to space

SOOO much

with adam

just to get in

[muted latch]

One of the biggest reasons I'm still playing him is his battle pass skin

[unreal turret]

and pray your reads are right

I just like jack cuz like

bro has

[muted latch]

I have to freaking download my opponent

[unreal turret]

way better neutral

but has very similar read combos

like if you like adam

I highly recommend jack or jason

smith and batman if you just want raw combo game

ppg also looks super fun

welp I gtg tbh friend came over for some board games

[muted latch]

Jason feels really fun although he didn't get any buffs this patch. I still feel he's a bit under tho.

[unreal turret]

ciao for a now fellow fellow

[unreal turret]

the down air buffs across the board

are especially good for him

the off stage pressure of his dair is

nuts

imo

[muted latch]

Ig

Anyways

[unreal turret]

like the downward momentum buffs affect 2 things the most

dairs

and side air normals

if those are the strongest approach options in someone's kit

these changes highly buff those characters in particular

exhibit A: smith

bro has an amazing dair and side normal but the momentum of the game pre patch just didn't allow those to shine

[muted latch]

Still needs disjoints though

He literally has like rejoins

[unreal turret]

true

at least he's not jake

jake is a meme

forever

there is literally no way to buff bro to be relevant other than:
an entire rework

or just remove the hurt boxes on his attacks like he had in beta

the second thing would make him S tier tho so uhhhhh

☠️

his design is just so bad imo

it can't be made balanced

[muted latch]

Agreed

[unreal turret]

I will agree tho smith doesn't have great disjoints but his moves are based on speed

they also buffed gun I think right ?

which tbh that shizz

great disjoint

and dodge punish tool

[unreal turret]

like batman (other than slide) doesn't have great disjoints

for example

smith and batman are largely based on speed and combo game

[muted latch]

Yeah but they're fast Jason is one of the slowest.

[unreal turret]

true

jason just

kills realllllly early

if he gets ya

and armor grab is a great mix up

and his side air I will say is a good disjoint but is super slow @muted latch

jack however

bro is

disjoint machine

☠️

[muted latch]

Fr

[wanton urchin]

i Quit adam to learn smith.

[wanton urchin]

Switching from adam to smith was great choice

[rain star]

Im assuming all of you guys are 1s players?

[wanton urchin]

I only play 2v2

[rain star]

im talking about the 2 above ^^^^

[wanton urchin]

When adam got a cooldown on lightning i knew he was on the decline. Seems like one of the least liked characters from the dev team. He gets no love

[rain star]

Chain Lightning? I mean, it was definitely needed

Dtilt Lightning needed a nerf but poorly executed

Black Adam is just a well rounded character for 2s

As for 1s, it's hard to approach

[unreal turret]

100%

[unreal turret]

Yes

[rain star]

Explains it

[unreal turret]

But I’m fully aware of his strength in 2s

The lightning grab nerf was fully justified

Idk about the down tilt

[rain star]

they couldve made his Dtilt as an ammunition type

[wanton urchin]

Okay to be fair. Adding cooldowns to all of his moveset does not create a solution to trash players abusing his attacks

[mild vortex]

Yeah at this point I'm convinced someone on the dev team plays a lot of 2's and got cheesed by mid Adams a LOT

Adam in 1's made people mad too because he's all reads, so if they get read twice that's basically a kill 80% of the time, and people hate watching you ladder their helpless bodies to the top of the blast.

Meanwhile he has a ton of terrible matchups and holes in his kit while others do most of what he does better. The biggest strength he has is fly, but it still requires confirms for you to get in, and a lot of the cast just has better confirms.

[muted latch]

It's harder to approach than ever

Especially with d light being nerfed

I use it against Finns who don't like approaching

That's the only thing I could do

[muted latch]

6 seconds tho?

[muted latch]

Oh, might have to give him a try.

[unreal turret]

Grab

Not down normal

Oh

Oh yeah it also has a 6 second lock out

Tbh

It should be 4 imo

[unreal turret]

Yes it does☠️

Because they can’t abuse Jack

And good players can’t use his tools properly cuz they all have cooldowns

He just becomes super mediocre

And not worth investing time in imo

When there’s other far more complex and rewarding kits with much higher mix up and combo game

Adam’s primary source of mix ups is side special and flight

One of which costs major resources now

The rest of his kit like down normal was core to his neutral

[iron karma]

How we feeling about Adam

[muted latch]

Read above

He's kind of a meme now

[covert tapir]

He was always meh, imo. Terrible hitboxes, with a couple exceptions. Horrible recovery frames across the board. Difficult or just situational kill confirms. Admittedly powerful in 2v2s if he could hide behind somebody with claps and lightning, but even that's gone now.

And bad startup times.

[tender lion]

imagine ur character so bad ppl need a guide to play him om

[feral atlas]

I think he's still really good for 2s, but yeah for 1s he's significantly worse

[feral atlas]

Nvm after more time I think he's only okay in 2s now

That side special nerf really hurts

[covert tapir]

I think they nerfed him into the ground. PFG listens to whiners, obviously.

[feral atlas]

I think he's still fine

Just has to approach things differently

The neutral special rework is honestly more of a buff for me

It gave him a lot of intetesting routes and confirms

[covert tapir]

I'll give you that. But the one buff doesn't make up for the 3 hard nerfs. Outside of 2s, I think BA just received a lot of scrub hate that the devs listened to. He probably still will.

[feral atlas]

In 1s I agree he's flat out bad now

He already wasn't that good in 1s once auto tech came in

Good but not top tier

Now he struggles hard in most matchups

I generally look at this game through the perspective of 2s

[covert tapir]

I try to do both. 2s is always a dice roll. Any two characters can stomp, if they get into a rhythm.

1v1 is, imo, where the balance should focus.

[muted latch]

Exactly that's the majority of my time spent anyways

I'm really struggling now

There are just better characters than him a good example is Batman he's got a kill confirm, good neutral, and he's fast

Also his perks are just bad

None are good enough to be used

[covert tapir]

PFG just took away everything that was good about him except fly

[muted latch]

Why? Because some people on their computers all day were mad.

[covert tapir]

Most modern devs balance based on community outcry. Rather make the bad game they asked for than risk scaring the money away.

[feral atlas]

The lightning bolt on your teammate one just needs removed lmao

It's absolutely never been viable ever

[muted latch]

Ye

[unreal turret]

I think old Adam was actually a real character imo

Like

Really strong

He has fantastic neutral options and down normal was peak for forcing Agro

His moves while slow are designed that way due to the early kill potential he has

Flight was was great with side special and down special

Current Adam is

An actual meme

In 2s there’s better options by a mile

And in 1s he’s a meme character that has to play extremely carefully since his neutral is bad

His neutral is worse than Jason imo

[unreal turret]

No he’s like

Legit nuked

Do not play him in 1s or 2s there are

FAR

Superior options for both modes

[feral atlas]

I play him regularly in 2's he's not bad there

[unreal turret]

Just play a better partner?

Like Steven

Or Morty

Or Rick

Or TNJ

Or Bugs

Or Marvin

I’m being dead serious

I think the only 3 characters legit worse than Adam rn are Jake, IG, and maybe Velma?

[feral atlas]

That's disingenous because they specialize in completely different things and don't play nearly the same. Yes, better characters exist, but that does not mean he's useless

[unreal turret]

Idk about Velma enough to comment

[unreal turret]

When the entire cast save like

Maybe 3 characters

[feral atlas]

There is no way Black Adam is even bottom 5 in 2s lol

[unreal turret]

Are better than you

[unreal turret]

Ok what do you think is worse than Adam

Besides the 3 characters I mentioned

If you can answer that question then I will gladly admit he has use cases.

Cuz I thought about it and I was like

Wait

This guy is literally bottom 5

In both 1s and 2s rn

No cap

Harley, Finn, and Arya aren’t perfect for 2s but they’re not a bad rush down option. Like they do SOMETHING.

Stripe I guess is iffy in 2s

[feral atlas]

It depends on stage, matchup, and team comp. Other than those three you mentioned, he is better than Banana Guard, Beetlejuice, Reindog, maybe Garnet, Rick, Superman depending on matchup, Jason, Stripe, and arguments could be made for a few others.

[unreal turret]

BG has combo game now

BJ got buffed also has solid combo game now

RD is loads better rn too

Garner is top of A in 1s and 2s post buff

Rick is great

[feral atlas]

Doesn't make him better than BA

[unreal turret]

Supes eh? Ig. Sure supes is a relic of poor design so is Jake and IG and Velma

[feral atlas]

This is not true

[unreal turret]

?

[feral atlas]

Beetlejuice has almost no combo game lmao

He has dodge reads

That's all

[unreal turret]

Fair

But his kit is super varied that the reads aren’t like

Hard

Imo

And most of Adam is also reads

Also bugs in neutral are great

[feral atlas]

Adam gets significantly more reward

[unreal turret]

With that one perk

[feral atlas]

Bug gets countered by everything under the sun

[unreal turret]

Hm

Maybe?

Ig?

Idk I just don’t really see Adam as a worthwhile option. He’s way too easy to whiff punish against actually competent players imo

And he provides nothing of neutral significance except like

Bubble

[feral atlas]

In 1s I'd agree but in 2s he still has quite a bit going for him and an incredible amount of versatility

[unreal turret]

Atop that the fast fall buffs like

Make everyone else much better at performing dairs, sairs, and accessing new combo game

It affected Adam the least

By a wide margin

You can’t just look at the context of

JUST the nerfs

But the fact the entire cast got buffed and Adam is one of the least affected by the change

By a very very wide margin

[feral atlas]

In 2s the momentum changes barely did anything for how the game plays

[unreal turret]

Eh?

Idk about that personally

Morty and smith especially

Are much better in both modes

[feral atlas]

Sure maybe for like those two but for a majority of the cast it really didn't do that much

It's not only BA who didn't get that much benefit

[unreal turret]

Eh? Idk

I just don’t really personally

See a reason to invest in Adam

Even from a kit perspective his kit is

Extremely easy to work around, lacks good mix ups, burns resources fast now, lacks good neutral

And very slow and easy to whiff punish

Like

He’s F tier in 1s

C+ to B tier in 2s

[feral atlas]

He is still A in 2s imo just a little lower

[unreal turret]

He was A before

There is no realm

Where bro is A now

At all

If he was

Then they didn’t nerf jack

[feral atlas]

Huh

What do you mean by that

[unreal turret]

I’m not referring to the character jack

☠️

[feral atlas]

Okay lmfao my bad

[unreal turret]

I realized what you were thinking when you messaged

☠️

But yeah at best

Bro is B

At worst we just discover more of the cast that “might” be better than him

Is just better than him

Like

[feral atlas]

I don't really see that happening

[unreal turret]

I can say that:
PPG, Jack, smith, joker, Marvin, Rick, Morty, lebron, taz, Batman, bugs, garnet, Steven, reindog, Tom and Jerry, and wonder woman

Are all better than Adam

In 2s

With zero hesitation or doubt

Post patch those characters all excel in 2s

TNJ dair and RD dair are godly now

[feral atlas]

Well TnJ have always been obscene tbh

[unreal turret]

Oh also Taz

Maybes are like

Shaggy, Arya, Harley, Finn, BG, Jason, and Gizmo

Adam is contending with those characters I would say

[unreal turret]

But these fellows

Yeah

They’re better

[unreal turret]

Oh already said taz

I kinda agree with Beetle juice

IG, Jake, supes, and maaaybe velma

And maybe stripe

I have zero concept how post patch stripe and velma are performing in 2s so I can’t comment

[unreal turret]

Adam being better than these

That is

For 2s

I would say firmly

With zero hesitation considering above and the reality of how his kit is currently built that he’s at best B in 2s

And that’s a very hopeful B

Cuz if somehow elements of the other characters are discovered that idk about

Then 🤷‍♂️

[feral atlas]

I see where you're coming from and disagree here and there but I'm not here to change your mind

[unreal turret]

Who here do you feel

Adam is better than here

Just curious

[trim vigil]

It

It's sad that he's so nerfed now

[unreal turret]

Idrc

[trim vigil]

I've been really struggling since the update

[unreal turret]

I got to masters with him in 1s

And hated playing bro there

At that level he’s just so

Predictable

[trim vigil]

I am actually stuggeling with the game, all in all

[unreal turret]

So I switched to my other mains and am pushing those to masters too

[unreal turret]

If you like Adam

I highly recommend Jack

Very similar read based combo game

[trim vigil]

I did use Jack as well

[unreal turret]

Or smith

Or Batman

Or Morty

[trim vigil]

Maybe I'll try smith.. morty isn't really my thing at all

[unreal turret]

Or beetle juice for ones (though the hardest of these characters to learn imo tied with Morty)

[unreal turret]

Yeah Morty is for the more

Projectile based adams

[trim vigil]

yeah morty is too hard tbh