#Batman

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velvet quail
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Yay i have 1 candy.

indigo egret
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If you have a Halloween skin you can grind in rifts easy. I got it done it like and hour with the rain dog skin

velvet quail
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Didnt know it applied to rifts. Nice

velvet quail
indigo egret
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It might work with target smash but I never tried it

flint furnace
velvet quail
indigo egret
dusk kernel
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Hmm, that billionaire fella really knows how to fight, do you think the rumors are true?, that Bruce Wayne is Nightwing?

velvet quail
velvet quail
dusk kernel
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C'mon, It ain't that crazy, have you ever seen them both in the same room?, it makes you think, maybe the whole batcrew is just bored billionaires, Batman is Lex Luthor, Batgirl is Katherine Kane, and Robin is their illegitimate child.

indigo egret
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Lex Luther!? Nah, you ever seen Ivo’s robots!?

Batman is 10000000% one or that mad man’s inventions.

fickle ruin
lament marsh
delicate vigil
lament marsh
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But i'm still going for Bman and grapple because on my very first Batman game on beta, i was a victim of the bug where you instantly DIED by using grappling hook

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Every time i pull the trigger, i'm afraid of it happening again til this day 😂

delicate vigil
lament marsh
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But atleast i know when it's coming, the grapple bugs on the other hand are pure evil, you never know when it's gonna fail you lol

tall egret
fickle ruin
dusky atlas
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Where would you guys put batman on the tierlist?

dusk kernel
dusky atlas
dusk kernel
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No, obviously

dusky atlas
dusk kernel
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Don't care

dusky atlas
hasty lance
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did they get rid of batman down kick into batarang combo ?

sturdy beacon
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yes

fervent hawk
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Yo what's that new bats skin in the raven trailer

flint furnace
dusk kernel
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Raven likes BBC
Big Black Capes

tall egret
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There’s no chance that was unintentional

static pasture
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lazer grab, punch, also he can combo u way more than Batman last patch

zinc kite
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Nerf this character pls

lament marsh
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It was the thing you wanted the most, isn't it? I remember seeing you here complaining over it lol

zinc kite
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They said they changed the characters that worked around it

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Plus its not like he needed it

turbid barn
jagged fjord
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excellent. now we'll see more smoke bomb combos

dusk kernel
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any bets if PFG remembers that the batarang perk exists and changes it on the new patch since they're removing weakened?

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I'm betting that they forget that the perk exists and it remains as an obscure way to get weakened when its not supposed to exist anymore.

tight aspen
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Nooo they nerfed him again!

fervent hawk
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I mean he did kinda deserve it

worldly coyote
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You now, weakened could be easily nerfed by just. . . Reducing it's damage increase? Like, I don't find how removing it from principal mechanics changes something, it would be objectively be the best status effect.

indigo egret
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More nerf!? What do they hate the Batman?

hollow slate
indigo egret
flint furnace
hollow slate
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She got nerfs on it a while back but youre correct

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I think plenty of characters have spammy up airs/specials. But Batman is the worst

indigo egret
flint furnace
indigo egret
flint furnace
low mural
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yea they butchered us

indigo egret
low mural
hollow slate
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Shaggy up air just got nerfed XD

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WW up special also got nerfed last patch

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Tom and Jerry's up air is gutted beyond belief since beta. Its not a god button anymore

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And Superman's up air is terrible

proper smelt
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I thought Batman was in an okay spot

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More nerfs???

honest wing
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No word on what happened to bouncerang in the patch notes...

low mural
indigo egret
hollow slate
proper smelt
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Bats only really excels if you can consistently out-read your opponent. Why would they want to make that harder?

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But no, Harley can spam out her hammer and that's totally fine. But let's slowly dissect the character with nuance.

low mural
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its funny, people hate batman cause hes the only true fighting game character in a game of spammers

hollow slate
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This bloke is huffing his own supply lol

proper smelt
low mural
low mural
hollow slate
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The best way to play this character is to spam his up special

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Its a god button just like tnj's old down air into up air combo

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Everything else on the character is still amazing

proper smelt
dusk kernel
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wow, that's a huge wall of nerfs, someone in the balance team is a batman hater for sure

proper smelt
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Harley got mostly buffed?!

proper smelt
low mural
dusk kernel
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I need to see how it plays out in the lab but these changes seem like too much.

hollow slate
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I play Superman. Half my character dont work

low mural
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i hate this community so much

hollow slate
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Superman needs buffs

low mural
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no he doesnt

dusk kernel
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superman needs buffs, he's supposed to be buff, like full of muscle, it's like his brand, lots of kryptonian steroids i believe.

indigo egret
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Seeing as they took away weakened, I’m not sure why they also nerfed a lot of his moves. I feel like it might drop him lower than intended.

hollow slate
indigo egret
dusk kernel
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so what is the batarang perk supposed to do now, is it fully useless?

indigo egret
hollow slate
indigo egret
static pasture
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I thought batmans gameplay was all about weakened and stuff damn

hollow slate
dusk kernel
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And last time (on the patchnotes of his redesign) the devs said that Batman's gameplay is all about long combos

:/

indigo egret
sour imp
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Bro Batman is not even fun to play as anymore

low mural
sour imp
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I went against a Beetlejuice that obliterated me in combos becuase batman has no consistent combos anymore

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He was the only reason I played the game when I first started now I have to learn a new character

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They should've reverted him back to season 2 batman if they were gonna make changes this is criminal

low mural
dusk kernel
zinc kite
sour imp
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Lol whatever you say bro

zinc kite
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Thats an fact

sour imp
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I dont care if he's better or he's not the fun in batman is just not there anymore

honest wing
indigo egret
dim herald
mortal cargo
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i dont know why people are such doomers. yes, batman doesnt have 17 ways to weaken and kill early, but he is still really good. the movement is still there. the combos are there, idk what you guys are smoking.

zinc kite
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Beetlejuice i good

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Is*

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But hes not better than Batman

signal hamlet
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Whats the go to finisher now

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Now that they nerfed l iterally every finisher

indigo egret
# zinc kite Insane take

Have you seen beetles combos? They are really good. Not a lot of people play him so people underestimate how good he is.

indigo egret
signal hamlet
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Yeah, the hitbox changes made that combo less consistent tho

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Do you think down attack 2 is still better than side jab 3?

alpine mango
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Parnets

indigo egret
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😦

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Boys it’s official, Batman has reached the bottom of the cast in 2v2s when ranked by win percentage.

sturdy beacon
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do you guys prefer well rounded or bouncerang?

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currently

dim herald
woeful viper
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Should nerf him again. Can’t take the risk that he would be any good whatsoever /s

indigo egret
dusk kernel
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Don't forget to nerf Lebron while you're at it.

subtle saffron
dusk kernel
hasty crystal
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I swear to Christ Batman is f*ng trash now...
No weaken buff which was the main reason why he didn't need any tru combos, no true combos, massive wiff recovery on most of his moves now... They butchered him so bad

hearty monolith
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Experienced Batman players, could you share with me how to handle fighting your character? I'm inexperienced with this game, but not the genre. Currently Batman is the only character I struggle to fight against.

From my perspective his hitboxes feel massive, he has fairly good kill power, and his startup seems quick. I currently go about the match up being very patient because most Batman players like to punish any missed attacks, but it's just very difficult for me to secure any wins.

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This is likely a common issue with this game, but often times when fighting against someone there will come a time when the game will say someone dodged something, even though it looks like I hit them. I assume that's sever issues, but any time that happens I'm in immediate disadvantage by being next to him. To a lesser extent this happens with him dodging through attacks before attacking me as well. This obviously happens with all characters, but it's more concerning for me while fighting Batman because his hitboxes seem so potent. Dodging seems to lead to several frame traps. Since this can happen at any point, it makes playing the long game very scary and makes me want to get better at fighting him in general.

Do you guys have any tips for how to DI his combos, what style of gameplay gives you the most trouble, or any general character weaknesses? I'd like to actually improve on the match up rather than be frustrated by it.

Character wise I mostly play Raven, put I also dabble in some Arya here and there.

shadow thicket
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he probably gonna get another nerf for no reason

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wouldnt put it past them, then leave agent smith untouched for some reason'

hard ocean
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whyd they remove his weakened???

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i understand removing weakened from characters like shaggy because like. dudes got 0 muscles
but BATMAN?? that was like. his THING for me

hasty crystal
dusk kernel
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Gotham needs a hero

dim herald
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That completely makes up for nerfing his whole kit, and removing one of his core mechanics

full surge
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They removed weakened because it’s a very toxic debuff that serves to allow more cheese kills. Honestly, it’s a huge W change and no characters outside of Jason should be killing at under 80. Now they just need to make some character adjustments after the meta settles a bit more

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It’s especially problematic in 2v2 when you pair someone who can consistently apply weaken with another character that has strong base knockback moves

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I for one don’t enjoy dying at ludicrously early percents unless I was edgeguarded

dim herald
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Yeah, but finn carrying you across the stage on a true combo and killing you at 30 health is fine Ig. same with ppg. Theres plenty of character that can easily kill very early and dont even require weakened. Plus, isnt the whole point of 2v2 to find good synergies?

full surge
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Oh I’m not saying the character balance is perfect rn

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But removing weakened is a step in the right direction

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I want them to nerf kill power across the board

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Even in my own character, there’s no reason why Shaggy sair should be killing at 60-70 near ledge

dim herald
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But batman's kill power wasnt that high, because it was balanced around that

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And now they removed it

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Indirectly nerfing it

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And then they also nerfing directly

full surge
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Batman’s current kill power is where the majority of characters should be imo

dim herald
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And they buff Bugs bunny Up air

dim herald
full surge
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Imma be real. I don’t think even with the weakened removal that Batman is a bad character. He’s still a lot of character’s worst matchups or one of their worst

dim herald
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Idk about that. He's barely seen in tournaments

full surge
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But regardless, the next step should be nerfing the kill power of the rest of the of cast

full surge
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Which I can admit is a problem

dim herald
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Precisaly my point

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Why are you nerfing batman then

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They should focus on things that are more pressing

full surge
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But like Smith really only needs 2 nerfs. He needs more whiff on jab 1 and his nair/neutral attack shouldn’t be killing at 60-70 at ledge since you can confirm into it from utilt

dim herald
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Rather than nerfing batman when is really just fine

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His up tilt > Up air kill confirm is so dumb

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That needs a nerf

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Just get someone at a hundred and theyre automatically dead

full surge
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I think Smith is a fairly well designed character and most characters should be buffed to his level rather than nerfed down to Velma’s

full surge
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A kill confirm at 100 is fine

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A kill confirm at 70 is not

dim herald
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ANd when theyre so easy to pull off

full surge
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Yes I’m aware. But instead of nerfing Smith’s kill confirm, I think PFG just needs to add more consistent kill confirms for more of the cast

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But just make them not kill until around 100

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The only dumb confirm Smith has is jab -> utilt -> nair killing at 60 near ledge

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Outside of that, he’s pretty much fine. No one complained about Smith on release and now people are only complaining because the other top tiers like Joker and IG got nerfed hard

dim herald
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Actually people did complain on release, then he got nerfed

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Because of some insane combos he had

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I think hes fairly well designed too

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BUt I disagree getting a kill should be as easy as just Up tilt, Up air true combo

full surge
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It is technically a DI read

dim herald
full surge
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You need to either instant double jump on DI in or dodge jump on DI away

dim herald
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His up tilt leaves you in hitstun like 3 years

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More than enough time for him to double jump and get you

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ANd thats when your at 85-100 range

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Depending on weight maybe

full surge
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But again, the problem isn’t the confirm. It’s that jab has no whiff

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So it’s a normal consistent confirm that’s just unpunishable on whiff

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It’s not OP imo

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Just add more whiff to jab 1 and now he can’t just mindlessly fish for it

dim herald
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It's not a normal confirm. Most characters dont have such easy confirms

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Both parts of it are a problem

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They should nerf at least one or the other ig

full surge
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  1. Bugs has jab -> utilt -> uair which is easy and kills at like 90
  2. Shaggy has jab 1,2 -> up special which is easy and kills at 90-100
  3. Superman has grounded up special -> uair which is easy and kills at 70
  4. Morty has blaster -> dirt -> uair which is easy and kills at 110-120
  5. Garnet has jab -> up special -> jab -> clap which is easy and kills at 80-90

Etc

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Other characters have easy confirms. Batman just currently doesn’t to my knowledge

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Even something like Stripe jab 1,2 -> utilt 1 -> reverse utilt 2 -> gun is pretty easy to do consistently and kills at like 90-100

indigo egret
full surge
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If Batman had like jab 1,2 -> up special -> dodge jump uair and that killed at like around 100 or so, then he’d be fine

delicate vigil
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Is it weird if I said that I think characters like Finn and Batman shouldn't have a kill confirm at around 100?

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Or at least just a difficult one to setup would be ok?

dim herald
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Still I think easy confirms are just boring

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The way it worked in the beta was much better in my opinion

full surge
full surge
dim herald
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They have other tradeoffs for being fast, like being extremely light

full surge
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It could be worse. He could be as light as T&J

dim herald
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Isn't he tho?

full surge
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And they’ve nerfed T&J so much to the point where they don’t have any B&B combos either

dim herald
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I'm not sure how its been since release, but back in beta Batman was tied for like second lightest characters

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With Harley or something

full surge
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But Batman is lighter than most characters

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Someone made a chart detailing hand tested weights, run speeds, run accelerations, air speeds, etc

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But it’s outdated now and I don’t have it

dim herald
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Hm

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Still hes pretty light, which was the point i was making

full surge
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He is yes

dim herald
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Idk why people hate him so much

full surge
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Because he’s really fast and batterang is hard for a lot of characters to deal with

dim herald
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I guess It's kinda frustrating cause he has a very good advantage state

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But that's the thing

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Like he leaves you in disadvantage

full surge
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And then people also just have a sour taste in their mouthes from when he had a brain dead easy loop with jab and slide

dim herald
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When the rest of the roster just straight up kills you

dim herald
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That change was just copium for the people who somehow lacked the motor skills to trigger dash attack consistently

dim herald
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When they nerf him

full surge
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Batman was Shaggy’s worst or second worst matchup for the majority of the relaunch

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And a lot of that was due to the fact that Shaggy couldn’t approach Batman without rage due to batterang

dim herald
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Its not that strong

full surge
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That and Batman at the time had a significantly better combo game with about equal kill power with weaken stacks

dim herald
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Yeah ...

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Then they nerf his approaches

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Saying hes a combo character

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And then they gut his combos

full surge
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Like the weaken stacks was dumb, but I’m not a fan of PFG just gutting his combo potential

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They did the same with Shaggy

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Shaggy has no combos anymore

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Utilt doesn’t combo anymore

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Nair doesn’t combo on DI up

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Jab 2 whiffs constantly and it’s even worse with their hitbox adjustment

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Like Shaggy now just has raw kill power and that’s it

dim herald
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Well, shaggy jab wwas kinda insane

full surge
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And a good jab 1

full surge
dim herald
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Although yeah, I think there is no reason why a jab string should not connect

full surge
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Jab 2 just misses against like a third of the cast if you’re not doing jab from a dodge cancel

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I’d so much rather them have nerfed Shaggy’s kill power while keeping his combo game intact

dim herald
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Yeah. That would really be the way to go

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In general

full surge
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Rage specials don’t need to do 25 damage (28 with damage perks)

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Sair doesn’t need to kill at 70 at ledge

dim herald
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The problem is still, they just keep making batmans worse, taking things and not giving hik anything

full surge
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In an ideal world, they would revert the utilt change entirely, nerf base up special to make it weaker on the late hit, nerf sair to make the knockback significantly weaker, and make nair send slightly more horizontally for combos

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And fix jab 2 so it’s consistent

dim herald
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I mean shaggy was top tier,he got nerfed. Batman was top tier for a little while and got nefed

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And then they just nerfed him again

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While smith and ppg are doing whatever they want

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It just feels like he can't have anything cause he has batarang

full surge
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With Batman, I’d say they should lower the knockback of dtilt 2 but keep the hitstun to allow for a dodge cancel sair follow up, give jab 2 slightly more hitstun to make jab 1,2 -> batterang more consistent, allow Batman to cancel grounded up special earlier on hit to allow for an aerial follow up, and allow dair to be cancelled earlier on hit to allow for tech chases from dive kick -> dair to be easier

dim herald
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That seems really good

full surge
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PPG just needs an overall knockback nerf to practically everything

dim herald
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That up special pushing you like you at 80 dmg when you're at 30

full surge
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With the perk that lets bubbles or whoever stun with neutral special, they get a guaranteed 60 off of jab

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And then air down special kills stupid early for no reason

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I will say tho the size reduction is actually a really good change because it effectively nerfs their range across the board

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No more dtilt covering over half the stage

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Now it’s only a third of the stage lol

delicate vigil
dim herald
delicate vigil
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Plus the added utility they give

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Like Finn's infinite projectile shields and Batman's smoke providing a slow and extra damage for him

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And also making projectiles pass through him

dim herald
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Batman smoke does not slow since beta

delicate vigil
full surge
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Batman’s smoke also gives allies a speed buff now I think

delicate vigil
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When you go into a smoke bomb you get a down arrow over your head

dim herald
full surge
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It doesn’t make you slower. It effectively makes you lighter

dim herald
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So it doesn't slow

delicate vigil
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Not for anyone else

full surge
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It’s a straight debuff for the opponent that makes them take more damage and knockback

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But the opponent has to be in the smoke

delicate vigil
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It's still got that utility

full surge
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Which is a fair trade off

delicate vigil
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Of letting you be invisible, which doesn't sound like much

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But the mindgames with it are annoying

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Projectiles are a no go

full surge
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The mind games don’t really work offline tho

delicate vigil
full surge
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But online yeah

dim herald
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You can just stay out of the smoke

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Its not really that big

full surge
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That’s the point

dim herald
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It has a long cooldown

full surge
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Before, you could kinda just run at Batman in smoke

dim herald
full surge
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But now walking into smoke effectively gives you max weaken

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So it’s a no-go zone now like it should’ve been

dim herald
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But I don't want to trade my whole kit for a somewhat useful zoning lol CD

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Especially when Im melee for the most part

delicate vigil
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I mean

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You still have a good kit

dim herald
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I mean it has gotten giga nerfed twice

delicate vigil
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You're fast, have dtilt, fair is pretty fast and good, you have batarang for close range boxing or a bit of zoning

dim herald
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D tilt has insane endlag

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And is easy to acoid

delicate vigil
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Batman has weaknesses sure but isn't every character supposed to be balanced out by weaknesses?

delicate vigil
dim herald
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Yes it is

delicate vigil
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No it's not

dim herald
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Just slightly jump

delicate vigil
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You're underestimating Batman

dim herald
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I'm not

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I have played the character since forever

delicate vigil
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I have played him once vs a Batman main and beat his ass

dim herald
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If you go trying to spam dtilt

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You'll get smoked

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Cause of endlag

delicate vigil
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Use it effectively

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Instead of spamming it

dim herald
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I don't spam it

delicate vigil
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And are you hitting it?

dim herald
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Some times

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Its really a gamble

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Cause if ai missed I get insnaely punished

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And I caj easily miss

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Also

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Dtilt has no combo potential

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You just hit it

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And thats it

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Can't get anything from it

indigo egret
full surge
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Like sure they want him to be the dedicated anti-zoner, but like he’s starting to have a Smash Ultimate Sonic problem where you just can’t catch him

indigo egret
fiery hare
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New perk

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Bomberang
Instead of a delayed explosion, the Bat-Bomb will send out a mini batarang that returns to hit the attached enemy

honest wing
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Does bouncerang still give 3 stacks of weakened?

dusk kernel
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Yeah

honest wing
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They removed the new bomberang perk already? Lol

lament marsh
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I wish someone had footage of it, wanted to see it in action to get a grasp of how good it's gonna be

storm badge
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Will they ever add the absolute Batman skin?

zinc kite
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I know he aint that good anymore

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But he deff aint trash 😭

static pasture
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They really need to Rework this guy, fighting mirror feels like a slide simulator and I cant even blame the other player

dusky atlas
kind burrow
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Is there a Batman discord by any chance?

indigo egret
fickle ruin
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And it’s not active in the slightest

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I uninstalled yesterday at #1 batman in teams

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Mvs lost a day 1 og

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Rank at time of uninstall^

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Peak rank last szn was #1 batman basically the entire season

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Very happy with my decision I hope you all follow in my footsteps 🙂

dusk kernel
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The new Bruce Wayne skin is very 🧐

delicate vigil
flint furnace
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Just got myself 6 MV Diplomas to purchase Mythic Vista Batman, my 2nd elusive skin for him. Have any Batman mains chosen which skin they want between MV Batman or Headmaster Wayne with their free diplomas?

fickle ruin
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Or u will suck forever and stay a casual who thinks the game isn’t trash

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🤷‍♂️

delicate vigil
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I think you're the problem my guy

fickle ruin
delicate vigil
honest wing
fickle ruin
delicate vigil
fickle ruin
delicate vigil
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People can talk to you like normal without you having to crap on them instantly

minor jackal
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Anyways, that weirdo aside

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May pick Batman up as a side piece

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Any basic stuff I should know?

dim herald
minor jackal
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Please do better, I just asked for basic knowledge on Batman, not to downplay him.

dim herald
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I haven't downplayed him

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He's bad

dim herald
# fickle ruin 🤯

Guy's rude but he has a point. Played bats since beta as well. Always nerfs

minor jackal
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Cool!
I did not ask you whatsoever.

dim herald
minor jackal
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"Don't play him" is not basic stuff, shocking, but some people maybe just wanna have fun and not mald at every single change the game makes.

dim herald
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Well good luck having fun on a subpar character

minor jackal
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So, if there's someone here who actually cares about batman or the game, I'm happy to take notes.

dim herald
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Having fun with no killpower

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And no combos

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I care about batman. I wish the balancing team did as well.

low mural
full surge
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Everyone always downplays their own characters

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And honestly, I don’t blame them. If you cry hard enough, you might get buffed

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And everyone wants their character buffed regardless of how good they actually are

minor jackal
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Shame

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I got the MV Batman skin cuz it was my favorite of the bunch and I was wanting to try it out a bit

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I'll learn as I go along, ig

dusk kernel
# minor jackal Any basic stuff I should know?

slide like mad on most matchups, aim to keep the rushdown on the opponent, bat bomb can kill really early with the right combos, side special is either the worst move of his kit or a decent tool depending on the matchup and opponent, don't use guns they are the tools of the enemy, learn combos that's the main point of batman's gameplay, enough prep time (practice) will make you invincible, use down special (smoke) at the edge when you have the opponent offstage to make your pressure more deadly, and don't forget to fight crime/have fun.

minor jackal
dusk kernel
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jab 1, batarang, jab1, jab2, slide is a reliale easy combo to start

full surge
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What does the batterang perk do now that weaken is gone?

minor jackal
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It still does weaken

dusk kernel
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it still gives weakened last time i checked, the devs said they're going to rework it, but my choice of perk is the 5% one, just extra damage

minor jackal
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reading it right now

full surge
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Wack

minor jackal
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and there is "info" about what the reworked Batman Perks will be

full surge
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So Batman is currently the only character who can still apply weaken

minor jackal
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but nothing official or set in stone

minor jackal
full surge
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How can Jack apply weaken?

minor jackal
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Down special

full surge
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Oh I see

minor jackal
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one of his sig perks makes it apply weaken

full surge
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Gotcha

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Yeah weaken being removed across the board is a good change

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By far the most overpowered and toxic debuff

dusk kernel
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agreed, too hard to balance around, a shame that Batman was so reliant on it, so now his KO moves are not really KO moves

full surge
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Especially at launch when having 5 stacks of weaken have you a 25% damage and knockback debuff which stacked with damage perks like pugilist, snowball, and 5%

full surge
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Iirc that debuff is basically just weakened but reskinned and better balanced

dusk kernel
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the current debuff on smoke is a drain on their dodge meter, but it's not very significant, I hope it gets changed into something better, either a batarang recharge or other utility

minor jackal
full surge
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I thought there was a debuff where opponents took more damage when hit in smoke but only while they were in smoke

minor jackal
full surge
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Ah I see

dusk kernel
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Batman doesn't kill, it's lore accurate

static pasture
fickle ruin
static pasture
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Since most the posts i see are 1v1 i could be wrong

fickle ruin
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I’m the #1 batman in 2’s

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Last season

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And this season until a few days ago when I uninstalled

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I only play 1’s to make ppl eat their words when they talking too crazy to me

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@static pasture

static pasture
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Okay atleast u have a leg to stand on

fickle ruin
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U mean my cope leading to my uninstall is valid because batman sucks in 2’s?

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Also game is just so bad compared to what it used to be tbh

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Marvel rivals December 6th 😊

static pasture
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Bruh i already said u have a valid point wtf

static pasture
fickle ruin
static pasture
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Im sure your uncle is very proud

fickle ruin
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I was gonna send my screenshot but I can’t in here 😢

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I’m hyped asf tho

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I was top 500 on 2 accounts Spiderman 1 trick

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Better stats than necros Spiderman on one of the accounts

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In the most recent closed beta

remote crescent
dusk kernel
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Bro thinks he's the main character harley2

hasty crystal
# minor jackal Any basic stuff I should know?

  1. Use side air to approach, it can combo with jabs.

  2. Use your grapple gun in the middle of a combo, most people mash dodge when they're getting combo'd so the grapple will get them when they do that. Remember that you can dodge out of it too so you can use that to get a side air instead of the grapple gun hit.

  3. Remember to use fast falls right after you hit up airs or up specials, that's gonna give you more control when trying to kill from the top.

  4. Use the glide mechanic to fake up specials when doing ladder combos. They were real combos on beta but... what a surprise they got nerfed.

minor jackal
delicate vigil
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@jagged storm Why you leave when you clearly see my grapple bugged

static pasture
untold valve
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The 0.5% you are Batman

static pasture
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Is there a real anti arial move? I feel like people jump in loops and i miss all of my attacks

delicate vigil
static pasture
static pasture
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Anywhere I can read or watch in depth Batman guide? sure Ive reached masters but I really cant land side air attack and stuff

crude flax
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Idk why but now I want a skin based on The Batman

dusk kernel
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More bat-skins pls

subtle saffron
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#rework batman2

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If we do this ill come back snd bring 100k players trust

indigo egret
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More Batman nerf is crazy. They really hate my man

honest wing
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Can you see bats in smoke if he has his shield up?

dusk kernel
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Man...

dusk kernel
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I'm shocked that there isn't already a perk that lets you throw lots of batarangs.
In every movie/comic/show/etc that has Batman he's always throwing them around like it's candy.

iron ermine
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basically everytime batbomb detonated, instead of exploding it had another batarang hitting the opponent

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( this was in game for a few hrs btw )

static pasture
iron ermine
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i guess what happened is that after a hotfix it mistakenly got out and released

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sadly it got removed right after with no trace of documenting it other than me ( i think )

fickle ruin
static pasture
fickle ruin
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Makes ur bomb instead of exploding, spawn a batarang to track the stuck target for 1 hit

static pasture
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ohhh

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well that sounds.. experimental

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I agree with the guy who originally said he should throw more batarangs since he throws it like candy in every interpretation

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since all is said and done with the weakened debuff and all

fickle ruin
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Games dead atp who even cares tbh

static pasture
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come on yall say that but theres consistent update and stuff

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am i delulu or what

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I still see it has potential cause not everyone can buy nintendo and play smash n stuff

fossil sluice
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can someone give me batman tips and combos i can use?

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ive been trying to get back into using him but the only combo i consistently use is side side down tilt and baterang into dash attack

echo cedar
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Just nerf batman for god sake

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Nobody likes down attack spamming smh

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I think it was like beta was better but it's getting wrose

static pasture
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but yea he needs something more than down attack

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nerf smith arms and give some to bats

dusk kernel
# fossil sluice can someone give me batman tips and combos i can use?

Jab>jab>batarang>jab>jab>down attack into whatever is a staple.
His knockout power has been severely nerfed with the weakened changes but a well placed up special on an opponent high in the air is still a KO, dash attack is another good kill move but a very vulnerable one if it's blocked or evaded.
Side air remains as his best approach tool and combo starter at low and mid damage ranges.
Side special keeps being janky and slow but it can be a game changer in some matchups, specially Iron Giant.
Down special now eats the opponent's dodge-meter but at such a low rate that it's negligible, use it for ledge guarding to keep your pressure ambiguous or to neutralize projectiles for a bit.
The bat has received nothing but nerfs in every patch and it shows, the glide nerf being the latest one.
Batman remains a bad character in 2v2's without much to add to a team aside from damage without kill potential, on 1v1's he's still decent but not the monster he was after the rework.

But most importantly, he's still fun to play and that's what truly matters.

dim herald
dim herald
echo cedar
echo cedar
static pasture
static pasture
fossil sluice
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think of it like wall decay

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the longer you stay in that state the faster you fall

hot fulcrum
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Is batman bad now

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He feels far worse than before

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Oh god everything feels so bad

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No killpower

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So much lag

minor jackal
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Meanwhile, Batman has the most spots in the top 100

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33 players in the top 100 are Batman players

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that's a literal third of them

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"ohhhh he's bad"

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lol

dim herald
minor jackal
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if I wanted to do that, I'd come to this channel to complain about Batman being bad

echo cedar
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I don't care that about like that bs

dim herald
dusk kernel
# minor jackal 33 players in the top 100 are Batman players

That sounds like bull-crap, so I checked and indeed it's bull-crap, the 1v1 top 100 only has 6 Batman players (6%), while the 2v2 top 100 is even worse, at 3 Batmans (3%, math is difficult).

Also, using top placements as a metric for nerfs is a bad idea, not only the sample is ridiculously small it is also not representative of the state of the game for 99.9% of the players.

For example, Reindog has 7 top 100 mains in 2v2, more than twice than Batman has at the moment, conclusion: pfg pls nerf raindoge /s

sour imp
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Yea nerfing characters in a fighting game through metrics is not the move

hasty crystal
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You can really tell Batman is dead because it's been almost a month and no one is even talking about him

full surge
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Then Shaggy is even more dead because Shaggy chat has been inactive for even longer

iron ermine
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rlly

full surge
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I mean, we’re basically just waiting until the next update comes through and better balances the game

honest wing
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Anyone have a link to the batman discord

tardy gyro
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Goodbye batman pookies

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It's been fun

dusk kernel
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🕯️

hasty crystal
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Well, a shame honestly, it was a good ride

indigo egret
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More batman nerfs for the final update, PFG never changes

dusk kernel
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And no new perk

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The devs forgot

full surge
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Did they also forget to remove weaken from bouncerang? If so, Batman is still one of two characters who can still apply weaken after the “weaken removal”

lament marsh
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New perk is up

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Bomberang

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check it out

dusk kernel
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Hmm, any fun combos with it?

nimble plover
lament marsh
lament marsh
jade perch
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how does batman constantly get nerfed

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like bro

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games almost done and they still wanna be weird

flint furnace
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It's ridiculous that he keeps get nerfed while The Powerpuff Girls remain busted.

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The only thing Batman really gained here was a slightly quicker jab, Why do they refuse to increase his weight?

topaz sapphire
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batman just gets worse and worse. what happened to his only good sig? what happened to applying weakness? what happened to him being able to knock someone through the ceiling? there are 5 vertical characters (batman, harley, arya marvin, and aquaman) and they dislike batman so much the raised the ceilings in all the maps and as batman you cant ringout a 100+ mage caught lackin over the middle of the map with an up sig. his smoke doesnt work half the time, he doesnt have a most damage badge, his last skins are hipster mytic vista weak sauce. his downspike hurtbox is huge. auto tech removed the air down sig to air down combo. his knockback and attack priority are criminal. im rank 15 at plat 1. thats sad nobody plays him because hes nerfed to hell. batman started s teir and has dropped a teir or two with every update

wicked maple
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you have to be joking, right?

topaz sapphire
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not at all. i play mostly 2s. i was def heated when i wrote this, maybe could have articulated it better instead of rage ranting but there is one batman in the top 100 in 2s (#90). if you think im wrong tell me how.

dusk kernel
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This is true, Batman is bad in 2v2's, he offers no synergy and his damage and knock out potential are subpar.

full surge
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The problem with buffing Batman is he’s like top 5 in 1v1, so it’s hard to make him viable in 2v2 without making him overpowered in 1v1

dusk kernel
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The bat hasn't been top 5 in 1v1's for months, he has seen nothing but nerfs after the rework, but I agree with the point, he's a solid mid tier pick at the moment but he could become overpowered with some buffs.
If only the balance direction would have kept the bat-combos while nerfing the damage I think batman would be in a healthier spot, but I'm no game designer.

full surge
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The only reason he wasn’t talked about is because every new character has released in an absolutely broken top 1/2 state

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He’s always been that still high/top tier in 1v1 that people forgot about as the new shiny broken character was released

wicked maple
grim kiln
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This is just

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A classic

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Maincord crashout

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This is beautiful

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Like I get it you play 2s

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He's not that bad in 2s

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His strengths are still there

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He has some great utility

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He can't combo as well but still

bitter rivet
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Solid mid tier is cause u suck

dusk kernel
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Damn, why you gotta out me like that 💀
lol

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For the record, I disagree with that, but arguing over tierlist placements is a sisyphean task not worth wasting metaphorical spit over it

bitter rivet
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I mean even so objectively the char has nothing about him thats a mid tier

full surge
bitter rivet
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Rick fell off a bit too

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Marcy is first and id put him around ppg so either 2nd or 3rd

full surge
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In what world did Rick fall off?

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Did you somehow forget that he still has a guaranteed death combo from polymorph?

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Marcy is 4th because the knockback nerfs actually matter so she can’t infinite or kill at 70 anymore, but she’s still a clear top tier

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But Rick is easily #1

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I could maybe see the argument for Marcy still being better than Harley, but Harley is still top 5

bitter rivet
bitter rivet
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She barely got any knockback nerf all her finishers kill at like 80 lol and she has 0tds

full surge
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Actually wait I realized I made a mistake

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Lola is top 1

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Forgot about her for a sec

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  1. Lola
  2. Rick
  3. PPG
  4. Marcy
  5. Harley
  6. Batman
full surge
full surge
topaz sapphire
topaz sapphire
topaz sapphire
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and if if batmans so good why am i only plat 1 and top 15 but my plat 1 shaggy is like 100? why is there one batman in the top 100 2v2s and hes #90 the math just dont be mathin

full surge
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My list is exclusively for 1v1

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Batman is a lot worse in 2v2

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Sorry, I should’ve clarified

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Batman is like the exact reverse of Velma who is high/top tier in 2v2 after the buffs and bottom tier in 1v1

topaz sapphire
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sorry for crashin out but batman feels bad in 2s and i know im not bad i just cant carry like i used to

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bottom teir in 2s

full surge
full surge
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I don’t really know how they can buff Batman to make him better in 2v2 without making him overpowered in 1v1

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I know they tried to make his smoke bomb more of a real move

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Idk how much that affects his 2v2 gameplay tho

topaz sapphire
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shaggi is dead tho. i dont see too many shaggys out in the streets

full surge
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He’s starting to fall off in popularity because he’s just so linear

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Gets boring after a while

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Meanwhile shiny new top tiers are released every season and Shaggy has basically only gotten nothing but nerfs (tbf the nerfs to air up special were warranted because it definitely killed way too early)

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The one time they gave him a cool buff (air down special now being a grab), they remove the one combo route into it making the move functionally identical to how it was before

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I’m not gonna pretend like Shaggy isn’t good

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But he’s gotten a lot more stale as of recently

topaz sapphire
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i think batman is a more popular character but all the batman mains abandoned the game or picked someone else. outside multi probably the most popular character.

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the smoke does do knock back but it is buggy with blocking projectiles and it never blocks aquas shark

full surge
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Oh that’s goofy

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Aqua man is a very strange character. He definitely feels pretty strong and his range usually catches me off guard

bitter rivet
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He lost jab jab iad dair

topaz sapphire
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only batman in 2v2 ranked is now down to #94 were about to not have any representation in the top 100

wicked maple
full surge
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But you can also get a bit of extra damage from jab jab sair portal at the start instead

topaz sapphire
wicked maple
topaz sapphire
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🤣

wicked maple
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Bats is really crazy this season

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Whether you want to believe he's weak that's up to you, but I've seen what bats can do

topaz sapphire
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thanks for actual links this time ill get back to you when i do more research. why arent "pros" in the top 100 in 2s?

wicked maple
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2s have a different meta

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A character needs busted utility more than strength in 2s

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That's why Steven is pretty good in 2s but meh in 1s

topaz sapphire
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what are these links? you sent me season 2 1s tournaments. stop the cap. dude feb 21 is not this update

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@wicked maple

wicked maple
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Date

topaz sapphire
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send me a 2s tournement. look at the top 100 stop the cap bro

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it says season 2 dawg we in season 5

wicked maple
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There wasn't a 2s tourney recently as far as I know, even if there were I didn't see any results posted

topaz sapphire
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ive only argued hes not viable in 2s which is the games main focus

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why wouldnt there be any 2s tourniments

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you right about the date but wrong about me being wrong

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batman is f teir 2s

wicked maple
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Lack of entrants unfortunately

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Comp players like 1s more than 2s

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It's really difficult to fill up a 2s tourney

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I doubt it batman is that bad in 2s but there are way more broken characters in 2s

topaz sapphire
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maybe the games downfall is the focus on 2s

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but batman has ZERO representation in ranked 2s and if they balanced the fighters for ones maybe wed have a season 6

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but regardless batman only gets nerfed and im tired of acting like he isnt

wicked maple
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You're in your right to feel that way. In 2s I don't know much about Batman but he's definitely a demon in 1s

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Bats has really long combos in 1s which doesn't really bode well in 2s

topaz sapphire
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ok im glad we can be reasonable. i know that the game has many issues. my biggest is the lack of hit/hurtbox data in the lab. the second would be the character selection. it feels like an abuse of power when the devs make the game for the devs rather than the consumer. but the 3rd biggest would be the egregious micros and the batman disrespect in 2s

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it hurts to admit but i need to find a new main

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the meta just aint there for bats

wicked maple
wicked maple
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My character has fallen off drastically, but I'll continue sticking with them

bitter rivet
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Batman is a top 3 character in 1s just play him in that mode

bitter rivet
dusk kernel
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Batman is top one in any mode if he has prep time

full surge
topaz sapphire
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just beat the malcomx2028 in 2s( the only batman in top 100 2s) and he wasnt all that. i guess getting to master grand master is all about play time. i was worshiping this guy like he was on a different level. i guess thats why they say dont meet your heros. in his defense he was random queing and i was with my partna.

candid fulcrum
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I used to be a batman main

fickle ruin
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All Batman mains have gone extinct I’ve seen a few on marvel rivals but I myself no longer care and I was #1. Imagine being worse than me, there would be no desire to play the character. Mvs chapter is over onto the next Tony is stupid

astral cargo
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Are there any Variants for the character with unique voicelines?

alpine mango
flint furnace
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Goodbye to all the Batman mains here. Wishing you all the best of luck in whatever you choose to do next.