Batman

[serene plume]

ive always used the rang perk, idrk what the hook does differently

[green bay]

Grapple perk was never a serious option. So yea you either go for rang perk or 5% (this one being my personal choice)

[serene plume]

oh? ive seen high ranked bmans use it but i didnt understand why they would pick rang over grap honestly

[green bay]

Because grapple perk really doesn't achieve much, it can even prevent/alter some followup you can have without

Might be a viable option in 2s

[lucid gorge]

what’s Batman’s best signature perk to run?

also what’s Batman’s gameplan

an what are the best perks to run on him?

[alpine mango]

I just use Weakarang on Batman.

[lucid gorge]

you run flammable or snowball for perk?

[alpine mango]

Run Snowball unless you're confident that you can hit every batarang thrown.

[lucid gorge]

gotta say initially i thought he would be tricky to play

but he feels very player friendly to pick up and learn

[woeful viper]

How are you guys handling PPG?

[hollow slate]

Is Batman just broken or am I DIing wrong?

Why am I getting hit once into 60 damage

[subtle saffron]

possibly a mix of both also depends on what character ur using for the damage

[umbral sleet]

You are getting hit one time against Batman, that's all

He's crazy good rn, good combo game

[hollow slate]

Why does the down tilt combo into itself

and do 40 damage in the process

[subtle saffron]

wym?

i dont think it can let me try

[hollow slate]

It does a ground bounce and he can dash cancel it into it again

Im running customs with this Batman and its pretty disgusting lol

[subtle saffron]

are u talking about his dash attack?

[hollow slate]

I think so

[subtle saffron]

i dont think its true but he can catch u with it if u mess up lol

[subtle saffron]

its true depending on di i believe

YE ngl idk how they gon do it but bats def needs a nerf this is stupid

[hollow slate]

lol

Dont worry he isnt Superman

[indigo egret]

So the timing for smoke bomb is exactly the same timing for the auto tech roll, and the hit box is just big enough to cover either option, so no matter which way they roll they’ll get hit by smoke pellet.

So if you do it right you guaranteed an extra hit at minimum. I haven’t worked it out yet, but it might be possible to push the combo further

[tiny atlas]

What are some common combos this season?

[clever pollen]

jab jab dtilt batarang jab jab dtilt dtilt

I think jab dtilt dtilt dodge jab jab also works, but its not true

[haughty notch]

Who decided Batman needed an even better combo game and advantage state lo

[green bay]

Gonna lab this, it sounds interesting 👍

[subtle saffron]

because he didnt really have one???

he was always read based since majority of his combos werent true

[umbral sleet]

Straight up lying 💯💯💯

[quartz cipher]

What are his options off of reading tech? Do I just repeat the same combo?

(Unless they’re in kill range)

[subtle saffron]

never that

even then they were so boring and unrewarding

always jab based which majority still are now

[severe echo]

What do I do in neutral with Batman? Do I use batarang and punish the opponent for trying to dodge it? Not sure how to use his kit but he’s got some painful combos

[median mango]

Yooo batman feels great to use

His new changes are honestly really good for some edgeguard ringouts

[tepid mulch]

I js picked batman up. How do i not whiff with this character? His basic combo doesnt have any range. I always whiff and get punished.

[clever pollen]

Follow up on Batarang
Batman is a character who has to read a lot and punish other characters when they whiff, his only weak side is his range

Try to learn combo's so that if you do get the hit, youll make it worth your while
Also, try to approach from above (divekick got nerfed but in low-elo lobbies youll be fine)

[tepid mulch]

Thanks. I know some good combos but the only problem is that somehow i cant make batarang „truely“ connect. Like in training the hit combo resets.

Ive done it properly like twice but the timing is unclear

[serene plume]

hes been broken and toxic for this games competitivity

[serene plume]

instant dodge into fair is a pretty good rush tool

i also stick with down special in the air, its good to just throw out since it lingers

and combos....

[tepid mulch]

Ill use that thanks

[tepid mulch]

Its good but that recovery is horrendous. If i miss its over

[serene plume]

spam dodge to the wall

glide is also nice if you want to mix up/ read

glide you just hold the jump button

if you ever want pointers im down to spar

[serene plume]

it is really good for edge guarding as well since it lingers. but youll have to predict the opponent recovering high or recovering low

its good for low recoveries

[subtle saffron]

use to be*

[serene plume]

still is---

[subtle saffron]

its an okay rush tool

not good

[serene plume]

better than 80 % of casts ability to rush-

[subtle saffron]

batman got nerfed i think

no more iad out of down tilt

they took away iad sair and all routes after down air 2 this is crazy

[zinc kite]

More nerfs

This character still busted

But its an start

[subtle saffron]

idk about busted rn

wait a bit

nvm i take it back u can live without any cancels out of downair two i guess the down tilt setup is down kick 1 into batarang but its meh

i havent tried any other ways to see if u can get a new combo begun out of the first kick

i think its just batarang and up special that kinda sucks

[indigo egret]

Wait iad > sair is gone? That’s crazy,

[subtle saffron]

i meant jab into iad sair like that combo

[indigo egret]

Okay, that’s not horrible. Combos will be a bit tougher. I’ll have to mess with it.

[subtle saffron]

he might be back to boring jab loops again

[flint furnace]

I dunno if I'm looking into this right, but the second hit of Batman's new dash attack seems to whiff when done at the edge of a stage, seems to whiff against most of the cast except of larger character like Jason & Iron Giant.

[wraith hawk]

Why am I facing bore batsys then ppgs rn

Oh wait i know why

[serene plume]

ive ran into 10 ppg in a row on ranked man.....

[alpine mango]

Do people just have money to burn?

[serene plume]

ig

[lament marsh]

Yeah, the second hit whiffs a lot when used on someone out of stage

[tardy gyro]

Broo wtf are we supposed to do 😭

[tardy gyro]

Oh that got taken away in the first patch of this season

Not a massive deal I guess

[valid geode]

Do u use a shortcut button for neutral attack (RB/R2) or let go of directional input and press attack?

[subtle saffron]

As a whole no but my claim is they take away too many combo options entirely instead of doing something about the moves themselves like it gets to a point where it doesnt make sense anymore

[tardy gyro]

This sweep nerf was not needed at all

[subtle saffron]

At all why would they make it so i cant extend after it at all and ON TOP OF THAT MAKE IT GO UPWARDS

[valid geode]

Anyone else feel the dash attack hitbox doesn’t stay active at all?

[proper smelt]

Wait, they nerfed Batman during maintenance??

[subtle saffron]

yes

[proper smelt]

Son of a-

I swear somebody at PFG hates Batman

The only people I've ever met that dislike Batman turned out to be literal criminals

[alpine mango]

You gonna call the cops on these guys?

[proper smelt]

I'm gonna call my uncle who works at Nintendo 😤

[tardy gyro]

Still fun ngl

Batman my goat

[subtle saffron]

Not for me

[tardy gyro]

Well hes still def better than before s3 patch

Idk to me hes still quite fun

Just wish they hadnt nerfed sweep like this

[tardy gyro]

Alright batpookies

They acknowledge how ass the nerf is

Ajax said it was an immediate solution only and will be adjusted in a hotfix

We might be back

Depends how they adjust it

[bright estuary]

nerf batman

[clever pollen]

what are your suggestions

people constantly say 'nerf batman' without anything useful to say

[tardy gyro]

Nerf batman because I lost to him ☝️🤓

[umbral sleet]

Remove weakened
Not just on Batman tho, it's a major problem but being able to put weakened with just an attack it's crazy

[tardy gyro]

I mean

He's kinda weak without weakened

Strength wise

Killing capability

Kind of

Kind of

Maybe not

But maybe

He needs weakened idc

[clever pollen]

Theyre looking into weakened overall says Ajax

[clever pollen]

He needed it most in beta

the whole 'Batman doesnt kill' philosophy was true there

[umbral sleet]

Yeah like he is pretty much balanced on 2's or at least I think so

But weakened on 1's is crazy, even better if you can hit someone and never remove weakened, he really doesn't need it, same case as Morty

[subtle saffron]

Ajax said something about they looking into it

Thats honestly the best thing they can do or unfortunately bring back some form of attack decay to remove jab loops

[subtle saffron]

Idk i weirdly had fun for a bit before s3 till the nerfs and tech came in i mean he was still fun but not as fun yk

Rn i simply cant stand the fact he got nerfed 3 DAYS AFTER A BUFF thats wild😭

[tardy gyro]

Yeah

Glad they gonna adjust it tho

Btw do u wanna join the batman server

[subtle saffron]

Sure

[tardy gyro]

K sent u an inv

[wraith hawk]

why doesnt shock have a cooldown

[alpine mango]

It's supposed to be a move to substitute if the Batbomb is already on cooldown.

[zinc kite]

Brother he still S tier

Like

Top 3

[wraith hawk]

hes still S tho

[loud sky]

No, everything is Diable his true routes are good not excessive they found a way to take 99% or bomb to death routes a way and force us to use dodge read setups they balanced him well he’s just a good character. Idk if you’ve noticed but a lot of characters are good this patch

[chrome wadi]

Its earned

[proper smelt]

Meh, it's whatevers tbh. It does more knockback, which I'll take

Weird that his event starts on October 1st instead of today

[summer estuary]

Really hoping with get a blue and grey suit soon.

[summer estuary]

True, why is that btw?

[proper smelt]

Dunno bruv

[summer estuary]

(especially with how the (very buggy) Batman store is already up on my version of the store)

Like was it a last minute choice or?

[green bay]

It's not whatever but it's not destroying Batman neither

"It does more knockback" the only point of the KB "buff" is to make any kind of followups impossible (that on top of more endlag).
It doesn't matters if it allows you to kill earlier with it since you'll always be able to kill earlier with any other option (notably front-kick and up special)

I said it on the Batman cord, but sweep is virtually useless until they tweak it again

[subtle saffron]

I mean yeah but its annoying and hilarious to me

[subtle saffron]

Im no tournament player so i have no say

[subtle saffron]

This changes nothing about what i said they buffed him and nerfed him within 3 days lol

[subtle saffron]

I wouldnt say balanced him well cuz hes slightly boring to some players as well as having not to many routes they def are close to making him balanced tho

[tall egret]

I feel like his Baterang cooldown is too forgiving

As long as he gets it back, which isn’t very difficult, he only has to wait like 2-4 seconds before he already has it back, considering how strong of a tool and how much utility it provides, is extremely powerful

As well as toning down his insane combos that he currently has

[languid marlin]

Happy Batman day

[tall egret]

It’s like Season 2 Finn level combos on a bruiser where half his moves kill

[tall egret]

🥳

[dim raven]

Happy Batman day everyone

[iron ermine]

best perks for Batman?

• some bnbs for new patch too?

[serene plume]

batarang weaken perk is the best

@iron ermine

[tardy gyro]

I use 5%/batarang, thats flammable, speed boost, pugilist

[shrewd ruin]

Is there any batman combos post nerf? Trying to get better with doing combos with Batman and need some suggestions.

[hasty crystal]

How do you guys approach and go aggressive with Batman? I feel like all his approach options are straight up garbage except for the batarrang

[serene plume]

dive kick and aerial dash forward air

down attack as well

[subtle saffron]

Dive kick approach in season 3 is crazy

[wraith hawk]

☹️

now that he has so much ground control, why not nerf his air control☹️

[tepid mulch]

Why did i get timed out bruh wth

[tardy gyro]

Nahh nahh dw its still goated trust just land it 🙏

[subtle saffron]

If it starts up in time😭

[hasty crystal]

Dive kick, seriously? People always seem to know how to space it so that I never hit them and get punished...

[serene plume]

lol

[tardy gyro]

Well u have to know when to use it now

Its still

Kinda

Garbage

But can be useful if u get a hit with it

Divekick dair and then thats it its over for the opponent

[steep fern]

Also smoke after dair negates the tech

I need help batman mains. How do I play the T&J matchup

[tardy gyro]

Ummm

I just use slide alot against them

Kill off jerry

Without that stupid rat tom is basically defenseless

Just slide and sweep

For jerry

Still annoying asf and idk I struggle against em

[steep fern]

Every tom just shoot off jerry instantly n I can't do anything

[alpine mango]

Jump

[subtle saffron]

true but jump kinda ass in the game overall bruh u be getting hit weird jabs in this game when u do

[dusty falcon]

What the hell did they do to Batman?

[dusk kernel]

Bat-stuff

[alpine mango]

They made it so that you need a Bat-Credit Card to play him.

[shrewd ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/emotionalcontentnotanger-presentmoments-gif-13298400

They broke Batman’s back

[subtle saffron]

batmans kill confirms are abysmal

[green bay]

I don't know what you're on but it has never been easier to kill with Batman

[subtle saffron]

130 wonder woman slide does not kill left side of the map on dexters

jab jab uppercut characters live at 100+

also had joker live dash attack at 113 on left hand side

i can recall several instances where moves should have koed but just didnt

[green bay]

There is no such thing as "should have ko'd". Every char is balanced differently, but pretending that Batman struggle to kill mean you either have an issue with dealing optimal damage or/and to recognize situations that could lead to kill (and missing on them)
You shouldn't struggle on these aspects if you're on point.

[subtle saffron]

1. there is plain and simple u bring up each character being balanced differently changes nothing when the majority of the roster is struggling with getting proper buffs and or nerfs
2. I am not pretending that batman is struggling to kill i said they were bad which several killing moves are such as sair, up special, jab 3 etc
3. nobodys struggling with these aspects in the situations Im in the moves should just do more knockback

[green bay]

I disagree then. I think the game is heading in the right direction, a vast majority of characters are viable now. Sure, there is still a way to go but I can't say I agree with the 1st statement.
I play Batman and can't say I'm not satisfied with my kill options, actually I think every one of them is good at what they're designed to do.
And I don't know what you mean by the last point, "nobodys struggling" but you litteraly complain about struggling to kill because of "poor" killing options.

[subtle saffron]

perfectly fine with u not agreeing but I completely understand they have made alot more characters viable such as garnet but again we still have a way to go
2 I wouldnt say im dissatisfied thats a little strong but in some cases characters a little heavier I think to myself that should do more knockback because they are at the tip of the endzone or in the endzone but not all the way pushed through which is why I say they are abysmal
3 Those are 2 instances out of hundred of matches where I simply think the moves should kill nobody is struggling lol im doing very good rn

[green bay]

But so your issue is the fact they're too heavy ? lol

If you acknowledge that it's usually ok, then your problem is not with Batman

It's about their weight or eventually the map's blastzones

[subtle saffron]

yes and no

[green bay]

If you decide to buff Batman kill options based on that, you'll just make him overpowered

[subtle saffron]

I have several ways to gut this character

I will state each and everyone if he ever becomes broken

[subtle saffron]

this also plays into the factor its kinda harder for me to write my entire problem

[green bay]

certain map are cancer for 1v1

mostly Dexter Lab

I'm ok with the rest of the stages roster

[subtle saffron]

mojo sides are horrible( in a bad way killing my opponents way too early) ttg tower ceiling is ridiculous lol dexter has several problems water tower sucks tree fort sucks cromoulon is better after the last patch I have a love hate relationship with batcave for having the cars

[green bay]

To me it's good to have a good variety of maps layout and blastzones, it's healthy for the game (just Dex Lab ceiling is SO high it's crazy)

To me the problem is mostly that there is no pick & ban phase

[coral girder]

i took a break for a bit time and came back now and i love what they did to batman his new sprint attack is fire and i love that the slide is down attack now

[subtle saffron]

broken?

whats broken about him rn care to explain

idk dont play in tournaments nor have i looked at any tournament placements

i dont have a place to speak

if your ranking characters without being at the top or playing at the top it seems rather dumb to me

[chrome wadi]

Hes trying to see if your gonna downplay

[subtle saffron]

im not gonna downplay his points if they actually make sense

proceeds to say no points to how hes broken😭 .Im not even making a claim whether he is or not just wanna know what is your problem

[proper smelt]

I'm siding with the dude I don't see here whining every day tbh

[subtle saffron]

1 yes 2 meh 3 not rn 4 loses to many other projectiles but is very versatile 4 yes but they are probably going to tweak all characters weakened but I understand you 5 has startup and endlag on several so he can be punished 6 disagree 7 idk wtf aoe means in the terms of this game lol 7 yes and no he has to either get some boring setup jab jab or catch u on whiff punish or overall catch u

[subtle saffron]

some of his points are good but broken is maybe a stretch

characters like that fat iron blob exists in the game when he shouldnt

[chrome wadi]

IG is fine currently

Or at least way more fine than he was

[subtle saffron]

u can catch alot of his moves and u claim they are fast which several arent due to startup and when i say endlag he has alot spread out through his kit in comparision to other characters like ww supes arya yk

[proper smelt]

I like getting beat by batman because more often than not I learn something... But I'm also a batman main 😅

[chrome wadi]

Fair

I’ll get beat by a Batman as Morty or something and can usually see where I went wrong, he is strong but there are definitely ways to play around him

[subtle saffron]

yes ik but his isnt low as u think for example up attack grounded sair has a healthy amount dash attack and slide attack have a lot

he has like two moves with low endlag being upair and batarang

ik just trynna talk about it how has a good amount of endlag rn when u compare it

if not worse

[subtle saffron]

^

dawg the amount of times i seen a wonderwoman dodge out of moves damn near immediately they whiffed is wild😭

ok ive experienced this once ever today and its when my opponent whiffed i tried to dodge into an immediate jab to catch him and we traded

i cannot but no need talking about it further

and tbf this game has horrible hitboxes/hurtboxes in general rn

[green bay]

"a lot" I can use 1 hand to count how many time that happened, and I only play Batman since beta.
It can happens, sure, but the fact you point it for Batman when he's probably one of the characters least impacted by this is weird lol

[subtle saffron]

after looking back at it, it seems like jab 2 has a long active hitbox with a trash hurtbox?

its not im not being biased

[green bay]

I mean, I secretly wish it was consistent so I could abuse it

But it's really not

[subtle saffron]

i wouldnt say mained but I have played other characters like garnet, ww, supes,taz, and others but i try to force myself to keep playing bats

cuz hes my favorite that will change soon cuz bane is coming to season 4

i have played the entire roster except 4 characters those are just some quick names dawg😭

and where did u see i didnt think bats was strong?

my statement does not change i have given majority of the roster a geniune try except 4 i think who are fundamentally boring and unfun

ur defintion of too strong most definetely doesnt match mine

a character that is too strong is a character that has little to no flaws and is damn near unbeatable and uncontestable at the least he is not both of these

velma ig reindog and smith

[subtle saffron]

those are practically synonyms

what is so brainless about him?

besides his one jab combo im curious because if its what i think ur gonna say than damn near every character is

over half the roster has similarties with this

i do not think this is a good point and atm he doesnt have too too many

even then everything is tied into jab if anything u should be complaining about how dumb and brainless jabs are currently

[serene plume]

i like getting beat by batman but that might be because i am masochistic

[proper smelt]

Hurt me plenty

Yeah, same 😂

[green bay]

lmao this guy drift deleted all his messages

there was no substance to anything he said anyway, just someone that couldn't accept not being good enough

[chrome wadi]

He does it everytime

[green bay]

wiping all traces of his clowneries

[green bay]

I challenge you, I'm willing to pick any character you want me to play against anything you want to play

[subtle saffron]

I want to see that

[subtle saffron]

he made me look like im talking to myself

[green bay]

😢

Oh also, I couldn't be mad being carried, I just love it when the character I chose to play is top tier 😎

[subtle saffron]

[green bay]

Naaaaah I'm not at your disposition like that lmao, but if you're down to do it we will be able to do it 👍

don't tell me yet who to play

Keep the surprise for when we do it

yea wanted to know if you would be down, which you apparently are

man I hope you're decent at the game

[subtle saffron]

if yall box is it possible for one of u to stream it i love watching these challenges

[green bay]

he's my main yes, and I have secondaries

[green bay]

We'll see, but I'm gonna record it in any case

🤐

mb, it's not happening today so get some sleep

[subtle saffron]

[green bay]

I'm good at that !

Yea, I'm good at that

🪲

[subtle saffron]

and he deleted again

[chrome wadi]

Yeah if he appears again don’t even bother with him

[summer estuary]

idk how I feel about the rework

[umbral sleet]

What do you even need to think? Batman it's top 3 lol

[low mural]

why they have to make my main skilless

all because casuals said he was mid or not good

[tranquil nexus]

How long is the batarang cooldown

[flint furnace]

About 14-15 seconds if you've completely dropped it and about 5 seconds if you've retrieved that same batarang.

[plucky oriole]

Someone on the dev team must hate Batman more nerfs what a load of crap

[subtle saffron]

so they removed the weakened on the kick and u still cant follow up???

[plucky oriole]

That’s how I read it

[subtle saffron]

they could take away his damage or something man bro these combos are so boring

[plucky oriole]

Yea I’m kinda over this game to be honest might come back if they fix the rp and actually nerf the top fighters that need adjustments

[hearty oar]

I mean ye that’s what they did

Nerfed one of the best characters that needed adjustments lol

[subtle saffron]

this isnt really an adjustment tho its more of a nerf

adjustment is like making something weaker but not crazily weak or compensating for something which he never really gets

[hearty oar]

Not a detail that was my point lol

But what’s the significance of this nerf then

[subtle saffron]

no combo routes no follow up

nerfs knockback on second kick through weakened which was good but u cant really follow up and i think it does less knockback then just regular downtilt so its kinda trash

its just another useless move realastically i rather go back to his kit last season lowkey💀

the only plus i can think of is its a possible kill confirm but again that doesnt matter since kick one is overall better

[hearty oar]

Pretty dumb change ye

[umbral sleet]

Oh yeah and you gonna say he didn't deserve it?

[subtle saffron]

didnt deserve another move becoming pratically useless and not really affecting his combo game due to the move not being used no but deserve a geninue nerf such as weakened being removed yes

like the dude above said its a dumb change it didnt make batman and more better or really much worse hes still playing around the same with a effective way to get weakened through down attack 1 which i said they should have took it from him as a whole there but they didnt

[proper smelt]

More Batman nerfs?? 😭

motherfu-

[serene plume]

lol

[serene plume]

literallyyy

[indigo egret]

How is bats after the nerfs? Seems like his combo game to a little hit…

[subtle saffron]

its pretty bad but bat is still dumb damage wise

[indigo egret]

I’d rather him feel good and do less damage tbh. But I’ll have to see when I get on

[indigo egret]

I feel like there are a decent number if characters the feel honest to play against even when you lose and Batman is one of them.

Jack, Shaggy, and a few others when you lose. You kinda feel cheated

[proper smelt]

For sure. Getting whomped by Bats is an experience. Getting slapped around by somebody like, Shaggy? Total losers

Like, an embarrassment to their family

[serene plume]

i agree

i dont understand why people think batarang makes batman the best zoner in the game

[indigo egret]

Yeah, beta Batarang was CRAZY! but now a days when I face a Batman sometimes they don’t even use batarang in the match once. It’s a good utility but nothing crazy

[subtle saffron]

iad dair feeling like my favorite move rn

[dusty falcon]

Is it me or does Batman neutral have the shortest range in the game?

[umbral sleet]

Then they gotta be crazy bad if they don't use batarang, that projectile is putting pressure while you approach and can even put a bomb on the enemy

[serene plume]

im not even gonna lie i mainly use batarang to extend combos or apply weakened mid combo

[tardy gyro]

Batarang main use rn is to cancel out of slide ngl lmao

Although it is still good as a tool overall

[serene plume]

wait it cancels slide?

[subtle saffron]

ye u can get a jab reset or sometimes like batarang dair

[lyric rain]

Anyone know what the timing is for the slide into leg sweep

I’m not sure about it

[subtle saffron]

wym?

[lyric rain]

You hit down normal right after you hit slide

But like

Exactly when

The timing on it felt weird

[subtle saffron]

u just hit it right after i dont think theres really timing needed

[lyric rain]

Idk I keep doing the kick

It’s weird

I just hit down normal then down normal

[subtle saffron]

yes

[lyric rain]

And it’s not registering the second one

Idk why

[lament marsh]

Maybe you're pressing the wrong imput during the combo or your imput buffer is too high, leading to the wrong move instead

Try this, do the slide, but keep your finger on the down button, then just press normal again

[green bay]

idk what could cause your issue, it's weird.
Fortunately for you, sweep became a god awful move so you can just ignore it and do anything else lol

[lyric rain]

What?

[lyric rain]

Tried that

It actually improved when I increased my input buffer

I have

Zero idea why

[green bay]

I totally forgot about input buffer, yea that make sense. If you reduced it to a low amount, you're gonna have more trouble stringing your moves

I know a lot of people were happy with the ability to lower the input buffer, but in all honesty it's more a blessing than anything

Overall it just make things easier, and it's only a problem for the kind of players that have the (really) bad habit of spamming their inputs to achieve anything

Cause yea in that case you're gonna buffer things you don't want to do

[green bay]

About that, sweep has been nerfed to a state where you really have very few reason to use it rather than any other followup (the "default" front kick followup, jump cancel, up special, batarang etc...)

If you want to kill, front kick is gonna kill earlier horizontally, up special is gonna kill earlier vertically, if you wan't to extend you're combo well sweep won't achieve that anymore so you'll want to use batarang/neutral attack or eventually try some kind of reset by jump cancelling for example

There is, sadly, not a lot of reason (if any) to use sweep right now

[plucky oriole]

L take on voids tier list Batman is not broken top 1 lol

[green bay]

It's debatable for sure, but I do agree with him

Batman is a big S3 winner

[umbral sleet]

I mean Shaggy's still better but Batman is top 2, we don't even need to talk about that

Shaggy and Batman are just playing another game rn

[subtle saffron]

shaggy at 1??

is that what ur implying?

[umbral sleet]

That he is the best character in the game rn, that

[subtle saffron]

interesting

i thought he was strong and rather annoying never that strong tho

[umbral sleet]

He's annoying and broken at the same time, iirc Shaggy still has a 70% kill confirm, good combos, heavy and not that hard to play

At least Batman is light I mean, that makes the matchup against him way easier with almost every character

[subtle saffron]

i dont think he had combo game but u do have a good point

[hushed fern]

What's batman's best combo? I'm only using jab jab dtilt and jab jab up special

[subtle saffron]

ur using it💀

[hushed fern]

Swear there was one more before the jab jab up special

[green bay]

jab 1 2 > dtilt 1 > batarang > jab 1 2 > dtilt 1 2 (if you want to kill or push offstage) OR dtilt 1 > neutral atk (if you want to initiate a tech situation)

[serene plume]

someone delete something?

got a ghost notif

[serene plume]

also, anyone else do air dash reverse batarang tech? you go flying in the opposite direction

good for getting out of pickles

[serene plume]

damn

[serene plume]

yall excited for 85 event??

[green bay]

Of course, curious to see the limited shop

I invited you to the Batman cord, better space to talk about the character

[subtle saffron]

yes mainly use it off stage

sets up some nasty mixups

[serene plume]

i like it to get out of joker combos a lot, a few other niche character ladders

[serene plume]

thank you touflou

[wraith hawk]

didnt they remove weakened from his second kick?

it clearly stated in the patch notes

so why does it still deal weakened

[green bay]

It's not clear in the patch notes but they removed it from sweep, the alternate followup

[wraith hawk]

what difference does that make lol

[lament marsh]

The difference it makes is that sweep's only advantage now is like 2 damage over the kick applying weakened, so yeah, sweep is pretty much a dead move rn

Since they already took the follow up after it on the last nerf

[shrewd ruin]

I can’t wait! I love how the Keaton skin looked from the teaser we got.

[cold hinge]

Hey all I'm brand new. I'm just trying to do Side Attack into Side Attack into Batarang. I have the Bot set to BEHAVIOR: DODGE AFTER HITSTUN. The problem is the Bot dodges before my Batarang comes out. Does this mean this is not a true combo or am I doing something wrong?

[jagged fjord]

yes, try grounded side-attack > grounded side-attack > grounded down-attack > and then batarang

[cold hinge]

thanks ill try that out!

[true edge]

Anybody got the new Batman skin?

[worldly coyote]

Como many batman 85 credits we can claim?

[green bay]

5

[worldly coyote]

Just 5, are you sure?

[lament marsh]

Yes, only 5

[worldly coyote]

And which skin is objectively better, samurai or animated series

[serene plume]

its honestly your choice

probably the samurai if you dont like the simplicity of the animated series batman

but tas bat has nostalgia so i can see both being good options

[summer estuary]

Samurai "technically" is better in terms of overall design/complexity... but I still like BTAS more

[worldly coyote]

Samurai has unique defeat and winning animations?

[summer estuary]

I don't remember

I just like BTAS because BTAS

[shrewd ruin]

Yeah it does

[odd torrent]

yup

[true edge]

Yes

[mortal cargo]

erro. how do you guys approach as batman? i feel like i am doing something wrong, losing most neutrals to characters with multihit nairs

i am trying to save batarang for the jab jab dtilt batarang jab jab dtilt combo

[green bay]

It's your choice, but batarang is a very good neutral tool too. You just have to be careful and manage to get it back when you whiff it to avoid cooldown.
Also, remember that you don't need to rush anything, against a character that has a better neutral than you, you can just decide to play patiently and bait approaches (which work well most of the time since a lot of players will not bother waiting too much and just jump at you at some point)

[iron ermine]

do u guys say batman is s tier in 2s?

[lament marsh]

Batman is great for 1v1, but 2v2, he's at his weakest

there's a reason why Robin isn't in the game, MVS Batman works better alone

You can still make him work in 2s, but it's a bit harder tho

[subtle saffron]

no maybe low-mid a tier at best

[whole trout]

Do you guys have any good Batman combos I can use?

[subtle saffron]

he doesnt have any just spam jab jab batarang bro once u learn that try incorprating some reads and thats about it

[tough nebula]

Pov you think batman takes skill

He's to funny

[subtle saffron]

?

what are u babbling about

[proper smelt]

Hey batmen and batwomen, speaking of 2's, what perks you think would work best?

[subtle saffron]

snowball last stand

idk what for last

[full surge]

Pugilist

10% extra damage for every melee attack aka every move except batterang

[subtle saffron]

i personally havent usued it in a min

[serene plume]

does grapple also get boosted? i thought it was a projectile as well

[full surge]

The initial hit no but I believe the real in does

[jade perch]

best advice, once u can read ur opponent u can juggle them in the air

[shrewd ruin]

Are the main perks any good or should I stick to 5%?

[rich meadow]

THIS CHARACTER IS NOT OKAY

😭😭😭

commiting absolute warcrimes

ExtraDose absolutely bullied me

[subtle saffron]

ye he needs to be balanced a bit more

[static pasture]

side special feels like a rare use

Like I'm too open and vulnerable I feel esp if im out the side rings

[rich meadow]

that and weakened

[subtle saffron]

weakened will probably be reworked as a whole

[hushed fern]

Stick to 5%

[shrewd ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-thumbs-up-thumbs-up-thumb-batman-batman-cartoon-gif-27277299

[jade perch]

who that

[subtle saffron]

grapple is solid

[rich meadow]

the person I was fighting

they were cracked

[jade perch]

ohhh igu

thought it was like a top 10

[odd torrent]

Flame perk for batarang

[subtle saffron]

I personally think fire isnt good but i see ppl run it

[full surge]

It’s an extra 3 damage every time you confirm batterang into something iirc

[dusk kernel]

and side special, it is really good

[subtle saffron]

Si

[severe echo]

Should I try to get samurai, animated series, circuit drone, or tooniverse Batman from the event shop right now

[static pasture]

What kind of question is that? Isn't there any that you WANT?

[subtle saffron]

lol

[severe echo]

Lol guess you’re right. I just like talking about skins and stuff

[static pasture]

all good, personally I bought BTAS cause the animated is my goat and TOoniverse cause i love comic style dots and outlines

[severe echo]

Yeah the comic shader is a really nice effect

Have it on Wonder Woman

Might get animated series because it’s just a really good design honestly

The dark blue on the back of the cape is super cool

[abstract marten]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/k1FQmnUo8R4 random ahh short

[jade perch]

i hate nico hes so good

[alpine mango]

Parnets

[deft hatch]

So how does Batman’s follow up aerials work? Sometimes i see him do this other attack, kinda looks like the dark knights return pose?

[green bay]

This is side air 2 that you can use after hitting side air (1)

[deft hatch]

Oh, now i see why i rarely hit it, usually i either miss the aerial or already land

[green bay]

It's not used a lot honestly, since the angle of the move doesn't match the knockback direction of side air 1 it will whiff in a lot of situation

So yea, it's a cool looking move that is not used often unfortunately

[forest isle]

is iFlyOlo87 in here?

[slow bison]

Any good true combo guide for Batman season 3 ?

[proper smelt]

side jab > side jab > dtilt > batarang > side jab > side jab > dtilt > dtilt

[tough nebula]

More like Side jab side jab baterang rang side jeb said jab batterang side jab reapeat

[serene plume]

more like side jab side jab dive kick down air drift in predicting roll down air up air into kill with batbomb. cmon guys

[proper smelt]

yeah my b

[serene plume]

yeah. thats right. live long wayne

[hushed fern]

If they don't nerf this dumbass character in mid season this game is cooked

[dusky pelican]

they will, they will GUT this character infact

and half of these batmans players will stop playing him now that hes gutted

people only playing him because hes the best character rn

[tall egret]

Legit lol

He’ll get the Beta MVS Finn treatment

Gave that mf 13 nerfs in one patch

[dusky pelican]

speaking of finn, just like how finns 0 to death was mainly patched and being gutted, mfs stop playing him

you barel ysee finns anyone even though he has 0 to deaths

same exact thing going to happen to batman

[tall egret]

He truly was not gutted I’m ngl

He’s still pretty insane when you use him optimally

Like we legit got off so good

[dusky pelican]

gutted to the point he wasnt brain dead

0 to deatjs were braindead

[tall egret]

In fact Flacoco (#1 Finn Main) found a ToD off of one read

And there’s still a pretty simple ToD off of a good dodge and DI read

It’s just not really guaranteed

And it’s mostly just praying on the opponent dodging on wake up

[tall egret]

But yeah he’s at a point where his skill floor is a bit higher

Still quite low but a bit higher

But I think that fits him, it’s Adventure Time. Running in screaming and slashing at the opponents fits a Finn rushdown playstyle perfectly

And when you start learning all the combo routes and stuff he becomes insanely fun

[dusky pelican]

nah i dont agree with that, he requires skill to do his combos

[tall egret]

Debatable

[dusky pelican]

like you have to learn how to iad to learn to do his major combos

[tall egret]

It’s mostly just memorizing inputs and that’s kinda it

IAD isn’t too difficult

That comes with muscle memory

[dusky pelican]

all i gotta say is, watch flacoco and see if you can do their combos in under 100 attempts lol

[dusky pelican]

bro play him

i can get on any character and do their combos

but when i played finn, i didnt know what i was doing

hes hard

[dusky pelican]

alright, prove me wrong, learn his combos

[dusky pelican]

then i dont agree with you

and youre wrong

[dusky pelican]

you can't do thm though?

send

advanced combo atleast

[median junco]

He doesn't have combos besides his 0tds

But it doesn't matter since every time they patch a 0td the finn gooners find another one

[subtle saffron]

I dont think finn is a combo character

Hes a read and adapt kinda playstyle

[median junco]

Drop some batman combos

[tough nebula]

Fin has dodgable combos with out reads and the ability to handle every class in the game mage and Melee

[tall egret]

He’s a mix of both of these

DI and dodge reads can get him easy 4-5 hit combos

And he in general definitely is a combo heavy rushdown kinda character

[subtle saffron]

True combos?

[median junco]

Yuh

[subtle saffron]

Besides jab jab batarang into jab jab downtit u dint got much

I think u may be able to get try confirms into sair or dair through batarang but i think thats it

[jade perch]

honestly just focus on juggling, batman has great up attacks imo, not comparable to bugs bat tho

[subtle saffron]

^

[hushed fern]

Downtilt city

[jade perch]

nice knowing yall

im quitting after patch tmr, ik they gonna ruin batman 😭

[umbral sleet]

So he needs to be SS+ or he's ruined? holy the Batman players really need to get carried 💀

[jade perch]

i can guarentee you, im significantly higher rank than u by solo queuing duos

@umbral sleet whats ur rank

actually no need, i saw myself 😭

[umbral sleet]

Grandmaster 30? Wbu?

[jade perch]

he dont need to be SS+ 😭

they notorious for completely botching him tho

[dusky pelican]

"my character isnt the best no more so im QUITTING"

so sad and carried

this is how you can tell hes carried

[jade perch]

holy yap

ur gm, how many hrs u have

just wanna see something

actually no need, it took u hella long to reach gm bro damn

[umbral sleet]

The only character that they have ruined it's jake and there's no way they do the same

He's a DC characters he is one of the favorites of pfg + he just got a legendary and they love money

[jade perch]

they ruined him a while ago bro, when did u start playing

[dusky pelican]

how yall feeling

#patch-notes

smoking on that batman pack

🚬

[jade perch]

go outside lil bro 😭

youve racked at least triple my hrs

[dusky pelican]

yap

[jade perch]

just friendly advice, u cant live inside forever

[dusky pelican]

yeah ik

[jade perch]

thats cool tho

they buffed morty in a cool way

splitting enemy morty nades is interesting

[umbral sleet]

He was fine on 1's since release, he was fine on beta, he is broken rn until they patch him and we still gotta see cuz it took them 2 months to actually nerf joker so, let's see first the changes in-game

[jade perch]

they did a good job nerfing him lol

stripe got nerfed god daymn

only nerfs no changes or buffs

[jade perch]

they js buffed joker

[lament marsh]

Stripe is solid af, he might not be popular, but the character was strong

So i can see why he got some nerfs too

[jade perch]

yea i agree he was very solid, but man i called ts

said they would botch it

[jagged fjord]

gg Batman is dead now

[jade perch]

lmaoo no not rlly, just changed up

[subtle saffron]

Hes not as boring as he was before so ye he looks meh wish they gave us down attack 2 back with slight changes but wtv

[jade perch]

its all good

bane what rank are u?

i always see u talking abt batman lol

feel like ur top 5

[subtle saffron]

Havent played in a while

At my best i got to top 13 but i couldn’t stand the game or the character started dropping a bit then i stopped playing lol

[jade perch]

gotcha

makes sense

only rzn i play actively rn

is cuz my laptop can handle it

[jagged fjord]

13 advanced frames isn't that much. bro is gonna become a Steven Universe clone and spam side-special

[subtle saffron]

?

Up attack was nearly dead the start of the season due to hitpause this should correct it and make it a a bit more usable

Ive seen solid players dodge or parry grapple before these changed they just got to get down to the new timing

[jagged fjord]

I'm pretty sure grounded up-attack had a follow up which was grounded up-special. if someone was in burnout it was easily abusable. so, now Batman is getting a faster grapple (that can be canceled) to make people waste dodge and basically a reverted nerf

[lament marsh]

From the patch notes, they just increased the aim speed, not the projectile speed nor the travel speed, grapple is about the same

[jagged fjord]

ah, u right. my bad

[low mural]

went from good to bad

lmao

[dusky pelican]

went from best to top 10

[jagged fjord]

I can accept when I'm wrong. that's besides the point, he's still gonna become worse

so, Batman has no IAD after jab 2, no batterang after grounded down-attack. jab 2 into batterant isn't true. that's why I suspect he'll become a spam side-special character

[fresh dust]

Just bring back season 2 Batman

[lament marsh]

From the patch notes once again, they increased jab 2 hitstun, so jab 2 into batarang is probably true

[fresh dust]

They’re killing him slowly I could see him not even being top 15 around season 4 or 5 cause people are gonna keep begging for nerfs

[jagged fjord]

it can't be 'cuz they didn't do anything to the trajectory

[lament marsh]

We'll see that tomorrow, but whatever it happens, i doubt he's gonna end as a "spam side-special character", it's so easy to parry grapple, or just throw something at him that has more prio lol

[umbral sleet]

He's never going to be unplayable boy he's a DC characters lol

[low mural]

hes literally gonna be worse

[lament marsh]

Worse, but not bad, we just gonna need to learn new routes and that's it, i doubt the character is dead

If jab 2 hitstun increase is enough to land batarang, we're chilling

[jagged fjord]

yeah, he has a lot of tools, but grapple applies That's Flammable Doc so there's little reason not to spam side-special

[lament marsh]

Oh, yeah, applying the proc mark is my main use for it most of the time, but going forward? Nah

People will either parry it or just punch me out of it lol

[lament marsh]

But then again, using it like that makes it as useful as what? a single shot of Rick's blaster?

[jagged fjord]

I forget what the Batman grapple perk is called. that's what I'm thinking about

[low mural]

lol

[jagged fjord]

but basically u have to successfully dodge an attack to whiff punish now (tomorrow when patch comes) no?

[low mural]

sounds like it

[clear narwhal]

Batman no skill

[lament marsh]

Precision Grapple, it's a wacky perk, the increased knockback from the explosion makes it harder to follow up when you land it, it's easier to kill by landing regular grapple, there's a reason why most people stick to either 5% or Bouncerang

[jagged fjord]

that's true against light characters. heavier ones have easy follow ups with Precision Grapple. perks are interchangeable, it's nice to have

[lament marsh]

Even then, it's not a good idea to rely that much on grapple, the moment you face someone who knows how to deal with it(which is not even hard to begin with), your whole game plan is severely hindered

[serene plume]

how risky is it to jump out of grapple after tethering to player or ground?

[tardy gyro]

How tf u quit when u get nerfed

Like im a bat main as well

But if hes still fun or even more fun/better to play just weaker then its not a big deal

Depends what our combo routes are now

Haven't looked at the notes properly

[jade perch]

bro it’s a joke

😭

holy

[muted fiber]

So Bats Nerfed. I wanna know what this man is changed. I didn't understand well abt this patch.

[zinc kite]

Buddy wdym

Didnt he just got a rework this season that made him top 3

[dusk kernel]

I don't care if he's not high tier as long as he has fun combos and tech

[indigo egret]

Maybe I’m misunderstanding the patch notes, But… it looks like bats got gutted.

[fervent hawk]

Brother no💀

He definitely got toned down but he is fine

[indigo egret]

They definitely buffed him last patch but nowhere near top 3. Tournaments he rarely made it to top 10. WW, Steven, shaggy, have consistently been top 3

[indigo egret]

Maybe your right. Won’t know until we can play him. All I know is his bread and butter combos are probably be gone. BatBomb and Batarang got pretty big nerfs and when your add this the overall nerf of IAD, which he relayed on a lot, it looks like a pretty substantial nerf. Where as Shaggy, Wonder Woman, joker, who imo were still more powerful didn’t get nerfed/got buffed

[tardy gyro]

I jus hope he feels fun to play at least

Idc if hes weak asf

Or bottom tier as long as hes fun

[indigo egret]

Yeah I’m Just worried he’ll feel sluggish with all the end lag they added plus the general end lag they added to all dodges. But we’ll see in an hour or two

[zinc kite]

Downplay?

Ur acting like he is F tier

Morty still pretty strong even tho weakned was removed from dirt and granades knockback reduced

Its not that crazy

[proper smelt]

Why did they nerf Batman like that, holy moly

Oh well

[indigo egret]

Batman has always been a combo heavy character. And from what I can tell they gutted most of his combo routes. What they did to Morty isn’t even comparable. Sure they weakened mud wall but they didn’t remove the mudwall to up air kill confirm.

So you can mostly play him the same.

They’ve weakened Batman’s kill moves and his combos at the same time. So if I’m reading the patch right. You will need a totally different play style now

[cerulean hemlock]

I'm usually quiet amongst the community and honestly haven't even been that active on MVS due to fatigue and the game itself getting pretty stale overtime regardless of win or loss, but I got a few words for those Batman nerfs (FROM VISUALS, I have not played the update yet as the servers are down)

Bruce seems to have shot 20 times more than his parents were. My problem with MVS balance is that they say they want to expand on options and give players more freedom in movesets but the more they cut down on what's possible, the less fun and more repetitive it gets.

Even if Batman is still S Tier, I could care less about how strong he is. I care more about how cool my character looks while doing their thing. Now it seems like everything they've introduced to Batman is pretty much gone except for his new Dash Attack.

They said they want to further his original identity as a Combo Character, yet slowly be rid of that identity instead of thinking of ways to make it fun for both sides of the coin. Same can be said for PPG honestly, though I haven't read their notes as closely, too lazy.

Batman was always popular regardless of his strength, just from being... Y'know, BATMAN. But still I wouldn't be surprised if those who picked him up after the buffs started leaving

[indigo egret]

Yeah, PFG seems to have a problem of overreacting when people complain about an OP Charter. Especially Batman for some reason. He was OP in the Bata then they nerfed over and over again before over buffing him, rinse and repeat. He He’ll probably be weak until the end of the season

[jade perch]

Imma run a game with bats, see whats up - seems a lot of cooldowns got increased

im trynna push top 5 but idk if thatll be possible

[sacred wigeon]

He’s trash now. All his combos have been taken from him. They could’ve added new stuff to him like give back his IAD side air but nope. They just take and take and now he’s literally brain dead. Nothing about him is special anymore

[jade perch]

they slaughtered him bro its so bad 😭

[dusky pelican]

he still has his loops..

yeah the 30 damage one

[jade perch]

yea 30 dmg... 😭

[subtle saffron]

thats not rlly a loop

[dusky pelican]

thats alot of damage wtf

[dusky pelican]

it is

[subtle saffron]

if ur talking about jab jab batarang thats not a loop

[dusky pelican]

it is

[subtle saffron]

twice isnt a loop

[dusky pelican]

most loops in this game is only doable twice

[subtle saffron]

then its not a loop?

[dusky pelican]

what character has loops then

[subtle saffron]

cant tell u this patch not yet

[lament marsh]

A real loop was TJ doing the Jerry - Paddle bs until he was able to kill you

But i believe they took this one out already, right? Haven't seen a TJ in ages

[jagged fjord]

all they did was changed it to down-air - jerry shot

[vast dove]

they changed batman again 💤

[jade perch]

on my life that was the worst thing ever

[indigo egret]

That’s what I was afraid of. He needed some small nerfs but they straight up guttered his entire kit

[jade perch]

yep, like they couldve balanced some insanely OP stuff but nope!

i called it, someone disagreed then look

bots

[indigo egret]

Yeah Ww and shaggy are still untouched. But bats gets slaughtered

[subtle saffron]

dont forget arya

their lovechild

[indigo egret]

True!

Joker must have gotten hired at PFG. Cuz they seem to hate my boy. We were eating good for a little though!

[jade perch]

they will fix him next big patch dw

i can see it, if the whole community hates it they will do smthn

[indigo egret]

They made him worse than the pre-rework. I don’t get what they were thinking with this one… The PPG changes are also wack

[jade perch]

bro even his uppercut is SO SLOW

thank god im playing against bots

at least i can still get KOS with charged attacks

[umbral sleet]

https://x.com/FrostEsports/status/1844579933210935313?t=EkBbA1hUbigDIq_IjT2g0g&s=19, ???

Batman still is a good character y'all act like they gave him the Jake treatment

[jade perch]

he’s significantly worse, honestly low A tier high B tier

Arguably B

i literally have no impact on the game now except lucky charge attacks and bat bomb

[tropic vine]

I'm literally the night

[static pasture]

so the cool combo is gone?

[subtle saffron]

cool combo? what season have u been playing

[jade perch]

ong imma play nubia

she has some hella nice combos

[lament marsh]

Any slide into batarang combo is dead, if that's what you're talking about

[proper smelt]

I'm low-key kinda pumped to hop on Bats tonight. I'll roll nerds anyways, but now they can't cry about it as hard

[subtle saffron]

be prepared for up special hitting different other than that he feels the same(boring)

[indigo egret]

But are you vengeance?

[proper smelt]

Boring? Bro, it's Batman. By sheer virtue of that alone I poop on everybody else from a very high place

What they need is an Absolute Batman skin

[lament marsh]

I believe he's complaining about the lack of more complex to execute combos

[lament marsh]

That would be cool tho

[sour imp]

Thoughts on batman nerf?

[proper smelt]

I'm aware, just taking the piss. Homeboy is always in here being way too serious

[jade perch]

not fun , wish they would have balanced him instead of slaughtering him

[proper smelt]

I gotta get my hands on him to really tell you how I feel, but it's not looking good

[jade perch]

trust me i just feel so useless

like as batman now i cant combo, can barely make impactful plays unless its by luck

[sacred wigeon]

If anybody finds something cool lmk because I feel like his combos have been taken from him

[sour imp]

I think the same they massacred my boy

I miss old Batman though they could've just gave him the bounce change instead of giving him an instant slide kick

Now I feel I can't combo at all

My Batman turned into the godfather meme😭

[subtle saffron]

WHY SO SERIOUS

[sacred wigeon]

They could’ve at least given us his IAD back so we have more combo routes

[jade perch]

Check #combos @jagged fjord found a pretty good one, bot is set to dodge after hitstun

[sacred wigeon]

Could you show us

[sacred wigeon]

Oh I saw it nice bro

[jade perch]

ye, its v nice honestly

[proper smelt]

Now that. That's funny

[indigo egret]

Yeah, Batman’s main strength has always been his combo game.

Don’t get me wrong he needed some nerfs. But not like this… Now he just feels unfun to play.

[jade perch]

ong im locking in on nubia, her combos are nice

[steep fern]

Is batman dead now?

[umbral sleet]

No he's still good

[steep fern]

Can someone send a vid of a combo? What do u even do now

I have legit no idea what to do

[subtle saffron]

Why do yall keep asking for combos😭 he doesnt really have any rn just try to adapt snd read your opponent rn

[subtle saffron]

Jab jab batarang into jab jab slide uppercut or up attack

Or jab jab batarang iad dair thats about all the true combos

[sacred wigeon]

They said they wanted him to have combos and took everything away all his combos while characters like Finn and Arya stark were untouched. They have true zero to kills and Batman was the one who got nerfed.

[tardy gyro]

tbf tho

hes still quite fun

and I prefer reading than doing scummy combos that everyone hates on us for

[indigo egret]

Yeah, he’s not bad rn, but the lack of combo has brought the fun aspect is way down imo. He’s never had a crazy kill move like other characters so his combo power made sense to me.

Bring back the slide cancel and I think he’ll be in a better spot. The rest of the nerfs are good

[indigo egret]

Yeah, and all of his combos were grounded combo so you couldn’t do anything crazy in 2s because their remake would save them. Finn and Arya combos keep you in the air so it’s harder to save your teammate. So I don’t get why Bats got the nerfs and not them

[dusky pelican]

he has a 80% kill confirm with explosive batarang that EVERY good batman uses to get early kills

i died at 60 once from it

[indigo egret]

80% isn’t really a crazy early kill imo. By the end of the string they’re hovering around 100% and most characters can get kills around there so it’s nothing crazy.

It’s like he has a 0-death.

Either way; I’d prefer good combos over kill confirms

[proper smelt]

What is it?

[dusky pelican]

play the character

[proper smelt]

Don't be a jerk

#5 stripe, #1 chud

[dusky pelican]

mf its the easiest combo ever

just like explosive batarang

jab into up special before it explodes

deadf

[proper smelt]

I think we both know It would have been easier to just say that

[subtle saffron]

this patch?

[steep fern]

How do I play against superman, I honestly want to quit the game forever because of him

Its just not fun at all

[proper smelt]

Zone his goofy ass out

Stay away from the ledge, play passively, and try not to trade

[dusky atlas]

Hes literally #1 in the game rn theres almost nothing u can do

I wouldnt blame u for quitting

[umbral sleet]

Superman it's not even close to being #1 lmao

[dusky atlas]

Ur wrong

thats ok tho

[umbral sleet]

Ur wrong if you think he's better than shaggy/agent smith/rick lmao

And I say that while my main have a bad matchup against him lol

Probably even banana guard it's better than Superman rn, he has a 0TD

Also Finn has 2

[dusky atlas]

he absolutely is better than all of them

[umbral sleet]

Prove me that he's better than all of them

[dusky atlas]

He just got buffed because of the batman event

his new move is a double hit armor break move

he has an almost instant kick

almost no whiff

batarang bomb and grappling hook

[umbral sleet]

What

My brother in christ you replied to a messsage saying talking about Superman saying he is #1

[dusky atlas]

Oh i mustve misread it

point still stands tho batman #1 lol

[umbral sleet]

Nah Shaggy/Finn/Banana guard are better rn ngl

[dusky atlas]

superman is also in that category tho so id also take that advice

[umbral sleet]

Last patch he was #1 tho

[dusky atlas]

shaggy is #2 rn

finn is kinda falling down the list i think

BG better than batman is a joke

[umbral sleet]

Finn just got buffed and has 2 0TD

And BG also has a 0TD lol

Like I agree Batman is good and all

But nah

Better than them? No

Like have you played this patch at least?

[dusky atlas]

yes

batman is by far top 2

does it really matter the spot at that point idk

but hes very good

superman is probably also up there too

[umbral sleet]

You just said shaggy's top 2 and then batman is top 2 what

[dusky atlas]

im saying i think batman is #1 and shaggy is #2 but at that point it doesnt really matter their positioning theyre the best in the game

[umbral sleet]

Tbh I don't see Batman any close to being in the top 3 tbh you really need to see how much they buffed Finn and BG fr

I still think Batman is good but not that crazy like last patch

[dusky atlas]

top 2 imo

I havent seen any reason he wouldnt be

[umbral sleet]

He got nerfed, other characters that were already crazy (finn Shaggy) got buffed and they didn't nerf some top tiers like agent smith, that's all

[dusky atlas]

what all did they nerf

[umbral sleet]

I can't copy just the changes to Batman but they are in #patch-notes

But it's crazy how they buffed an already fast assasin to be even faster, Finn rn is just crazy

[dusky atlas]

he still looks insane they didnt change a ton

Finn i cant speak for tbh i havent seen enough from him yet

I dont believe bg being as good as batman either

[umbral sleet]

He is, he used to be such a joke but he is faster now, he cancel a lot of attacks faster and that's crazy cuz he hits hard

[dusky atlas]

Better or worse than batman tho?

batman seems to do better

[umbral sleet]

He is doing better, BG just got a top 8 and the first person on the leaderboard it's using him rn

https://x.com/FrostEsports/status/1847125105027035261?t=D-puixMoFJBh1jwCXHJlIA&s=19

[indigo egret]

BG has kill moves that require no set up, are easy to land and hard to challenge. He also has pretty decent combos and really good spacing options. Bats used to have crazy combo game to even up the field but I don’t think he’s anywhere near top tier

[dusky atlas]

I’m still skeptical about bg but I’ll take your word for it

[subtle saffron]

Why do people think batman needs more nerfs rn?

[jagged fjord]

'cuz their character sucks and they want him to be brought down to their strength. It's an unfortunate cycle in this game

[low mural]

batman is just annoyinh in design

people tend to confuse annoying with strong

[dusky atlas]

hes not weak thats for sure

[low mural]

to me rn is B tier character while everyone else A or S

[dusky atlas]

No hes def A or S tier

[low mural]

how so

[dusky atlas]

he was buffed insanely for the new event

[low mural]

he was nerfed more than buffed recently and also thats not a reason

[dusky atlas]

all his tools are insane by themselves and combined theyre atrocious

hes insanely fast low whiff

his new charge jab is multi hitting and armor breaking

he has that instant dash attack

[low mural]

i just.... disagree

[low mural]

besides this

[dusky atlas]

i mean i play garnet

and compare their two tools

batman basically has all of them just better

[subtle saffron]

Charge jab? Wym

[subtle saffron]

I wouldnt say that

[dusky atlas]

why do you disagree

[dusky atlas]

the running jab move

i forget what its called

[subtle saffron]

I think they are pretty similar other than weakened really

Garnet also is doing better rn too

[dusky atlas]

theyre both doing really good

[subtle saffron]

That move is pretty slow and they had to do that do he could actually break armor due to them moving it to down attack and making downattack 2 useless

[dusky atlas]

i just think batmans stronger

[dusky atlas]

its not really slow tho

its fast

[subtle saffron]

Agree to disgaree

[subtle saffron]

Its slow with heavy whiff i dont think its that crazy solid move tho

[dusky atlas]

still multi hit armor break tho

[dusky atlas]

star vs grappling hook bomb vs electro ball batarang vs gauntlet

[subtle saffron]

Electro ball?

[dusky atlas]

the one she shoots up

[subtle saffron]

Oh i didnt know whag thats called

[dusk kernel]

Batman is S tier, just because he's Batman, not because of any in-game strengths or anything, pure prep skill.

[dusky atlas]

idk either

[indigo egret]

Try him, the learning curve is kinda funky in the beginning but you can slap people around with that banana! He can be reel fun in 2s

[dusky atlas]

i love slapping people with bananas

[dusky atlas]

at least i can say batman isnt braindead like WW

[dusky atlas]

nvm i take it back

[turbid robin]

I have a take as a fellow batman main

Batman's Electrified Galvaknuckles needs to be a more actually ability

[lament marsh]

This move doesn't need a buff, it's great as it is, damage increase on your next hit while your batbomb is on cooldown. You're aiming at the wrong move, take a look at smokeless bomb, that's the one that needs some work, because there's never a good reason to use it over something else

Mediocre damage, low range, weak knockback, you can land it at someone with 250 damage and they will probably survive

[subtle saffron]

I wouldnt say low knockback

Its solid ive seen people use it into a crazy kill and i use it sometimes on ledge afger jab jab and its useful for mixups

[broken star]

How do you do the purple down kick with batman without sliding before hand? And how do you cancel the first slide attack into another move?

[lament marsh]

I meant weak knockback as in scaling knockback(the base knockback is alright), i should've specified that, anyways, sure you can use it, for example i used it myself on a batbomb combo and it actually worked, had to use a dodge on the follow up in the air that usually i don't have to when i end the combo with UP special, but yeah, you can do it IF you want

The problem is that it feels like a button you press to play with your food/style points instead of being optimal, you can just press UP tilt or UP special and look for the same things, you want to send them in the same angle? DTilt 2 does the same, but it has way more scaling knockback and a bit more damage too

But with all of that being said, i still gonna give you the benefit of doubt because i honestly haven't really used it that much besides as a joke(ha ha smokeless bomb kill combo), maybe the move is actually usable if you put effort into making it work, honestly i just deemed it weaker than all the other options and moved on lol

[lament marsh]

Purple kick without slide? You can't, it was his default Dtilt before the update, but now you gotta slide to use it. To perform another move after slide, you just literally press it after slide, like slide+up special, slide into up tilt, slide into grapple, it's up to you

You can't do slide into batarang tho, they took it on the last patch

[broken star]

nooo

prob was too op

i didnt play batman back then 😭

so whats the point to charge the down attack after slide lol

[subtle saffron]

Thats the thing

There isnt really any

Unless ur confident you can catch ur opponent messing up cuz its slightly easier to follow up but again neither is guaranteed

[subtle saffron]

Your right but idk what they would do to make it a better move overall idk how they are gonna buff batman (lmk say buff but change batman atm)

[turbid robin]

smoke bomb is meant as a more defensive move than offensive to give teammates buffs and beneficial alterations I mean I guess add back the slow effect from the beta days

[lament marsh]

Honestly, i would love to see a small increase to the explosion radius

[lament marsh]

I'm not talking about smoke bomb, i'm talking about smokeless bomb, the one you get when smoke is on cd

[sage hound]

In your experience what is Batman’s best and worst move?

[serene plume]

i think you should learn to di or parry his attacks then, the chance of that is low and requires specific set up

[subtle saffron]

best move maybe batarang cuz hes relying on it alot rn and worst move down attack 2

[deft hatch]

The normal down attack 2 or the charged one?

Or would you just use something like up special either way

[hasty crystal]

When is Batman getting his grappling pistol fixed? The move misses alike 90% of the time , people don't even need to dodge when you grapple them, they just jump or go down or step aside just a little and the move just doesn't go where it's supposed to

[storm quartz]

He's the God damned Batman. Love the changes ,still hate the grapple gun.

[indigo egret]

Yeah, grapple gun is probably one of the worst side specials in the game tbf.

[dusky atlas]

How so?

[indigo egret]

It’s slow, easy to parry, easy to time. Not a good option mustnof he time

[umbral sleet]

With shields it's a bad move but nah, before was really good and when u force a dodge you could get one hit with that for free + it was a good tool to get closer against some chars

[indigo egret]

I gotta disagree. Because you don’t have to dodge it. You can just grow out a move and challenge it super easily. It’s okay for movement. But not as good as AID

[umbral sleet]

Not every character has a move that can challenge it, a lot of characters are either slow or doesn't have some kind of disjoint, also, it's a good recovery move if you have the grapple perk

[indigo egret]

I mean, literally any jab can beat it or any other move can for that matter. You’re only using grapple when you’re a good distance away so you have plenty of time to react or even throw out a slow move that can easily challenge it.

The perk can be really good. But again it’s not easy to land

[shell hull]

TONY

GIVE ME HELLBAT AND MY LIFE IS OURS

[green bay]

Grapple is not the best it could be for sure, but it's certainly better than what you think. You seem to forget that Batman can cancel it at anytime.
Sure if you never do it you'll always be challenged/parried very easily, but when you start to bait these counters by dodge cancelling it's already way better. You have to think of it more like a mixup tool than a straight up approach tool.

It's also very decent as a recovery tool even without the perk (that you should never use tbh unless you don't mind using a subpar perk). But in that case gotta be careful if the opponent is ready to challenge it as the punish is way more severe offstage 😄

The move would be better and way more satisfying to use if we retained a bit of momentum after cancelling it.

[subtle saffron]

Doing grapple cancel into iad sair catches so many people off guard its lowkey crazy

[green bay]

Real

[indigo egret]

I think this is very true in 1s but in 2s it’s rarely the best option imo. It just leaves you open and stationary for way to long when there are four characters on screen

[dusky atlas]

literally dont even play him and i know this isnt true

[indigo egret]

So... If you don't play him how do you know? Are you cnstantly getting hit by grapple? or...

[dusky atlas]

Fast, can cancel out of it you can force a dodge and punish

[indigo egret]

It’s not fast. Not fast enough to prevent people from just punishing you for using it/parrying it.

They added the cancel because one the past you used just get punished every time you used it. If you do Cancel it, you burn meter and meaning it’s only valuable sometimes for mid ups.

In 1s sure. But Your not going to be baiting any dodges in 2s you’ll most likely just get punished for trying.

You can’t reliably combo into it.

You can reliably combo out of it.

The move rarely see use in 2s and is often not the best option in 1s

[dusky atlas]

It absolutely is fast take garnets star for example and then tell me it isn’t fast

[indigo egret]

The grapple flying is fast. But then there’s a delay and the actual attack is not fast. And super telegraphed

[dusky atlas]

right it should be telegraphed but also should be used to catch people off guard

[indigo egret]

It’s so telegraphed you’re not going to reliably be catching people off guard. And even IF you land it there’s no big pay off.

Shaggy side special, while slower, is less telegraphed, has less start up, has less end lag, is hard to challenge and is easier to catch people slacking with. Oh and also it’s a huge kill move

[dusky atlas]

theres huge payoff, you caught them off guard

you gotta use it when they cant easily react to it like in air

[worthy iris]

👀

[indigo egret]

Okay, so what you get me one hit? You can’t combo out of it reliably.

Lemme just recap to make sure I got this straight.

1 It’s telegraphed.
2. It’s easily punished.
3. Can’t reliably be used as a combo starter.
4. Can’t be used to extend combos.
5. Is only useful when you catch them off guard/are in the air.
6. Is not a kill move

But you think this is a good move?

[dusky atlas]

yes i do think its a good move

its not easy to punish

[indigo egret]

I’m punishing it left and right so I don’t know what you’re basing that on.

In most 2 v 2s I don’t even see Batman’s use it outside of recovery.

You’re free to have your opinion. But I don’t see many agreeing with you on it

[dusky atlas]

if you use it correctly its great if not then it isnt

id expect that we are talking about using it correctly to pressure and force a move

if you catch someone off guard with it then its amazing

[indigo egret]

it’s only useful pressure a move in the 1s if you mess up you’ll be punished big time. More than you’ll be rewarded if you manage to fake them out.

And literally every move on the game is amazing when you catch someone guard… so I’m not sure what your point is

[dusky atlas]

high risk high reward use the move correctly

[indigo egret]

What high reward? It’s not a kill move. Not even a combo move.

[dusky atlas]

pulls you in close and you can follow up

[indigo egret]

It’s not a true combo above like 30.

Seems like a lot of risk for 1 or at best two hits.

[dusky atlas]

thats the point of high risk high reward

[indigo egret]

Huh? Where’s the reward?

Shaggy side special gives a reward, WW side special give a reward, Jason side special gives a reward. Gizmo side special gives a reward. Agent smith side special give a reward. Ect ect.

They all kill. But not Batman.

[dusky atlas]

im in testing rn if u use it then up special they cant dodge after the hitstun in time

[indigo egret]

At what percentage and with what DI?

Like I said, you can land up special out of it up to like 30% after that the knockback is too strong/ you can just DI out of it.

You might be able to land it on a stationary bot. But that won’t work in a real game.

[dusky atlas]

High risk high reward

[dusk kernel]

I can't believe that they added Bruce Wayne as a skin for Batman, as if that playboy could throw a punch

[umbral sleet]

So you want them to buff or rework grapple? Y'all got a whole month with Batman being the best char in the game lol

[humble crag]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A042JWjLQWQ&t=362s

[iron ermine]

does batman have a server?

like batman mains server

[lament marsh]

Yes

[noble crystal]

@upbeat lodge LMAO GGs i was the Marvin

[upbeat lodge]

gg lol

[noble crystal]

take that glitch out the game bro

its not the first time either

[deft hatch]

I wasnt sure about the Bruce Wayne skin, but i saw that instead of a batarang he throws money and now im considering getting it

[lament marsh]

Go for it, this skin is amazing

[flint furnace]

Got my Bruce Wayne skin this morning. Definitely worth the grind.

[indigo egret]

Who cares if Batman was the best Character for a month? Lots of characters have been OP in the past. Didn’t effect their current move set.

[indigo egret]

That’s the funniest thing tbh. If you ring them out with money it’s pay to win

[subtle saffron]

3 days*

[umbral sleet]

I care, I don't want them to buff or change grapple to finn's gem from beta, let characters have a bad moves, they don't need to have every button being good, nobody wants a Batman meta again

[umbral sleet]

? Tf are u talking about lmao

[subtle saffron]

3 days*

[umbral sleet]

3 days since you started to play the game dawg

[subtle saffron]

3 days*

[dusk kernel]

I want a Batman meta, everything should be Batman

[indigo egret]

I disagree, Batman wasn’t OP because of grapple. Characters having bad moves just means that move will never be used. So what’s the point of even having it to begin with?

Not every move should be great. But they should at least be good.

[umbral sleet]

I didn't say he was op because of grapple, I said we DON'T need Batman to be op with an insane approach and fast option, he is good rn, apply weakness for no reason, and even in the current stage grapple is good, if you think it's a bad move you haven't seen Steven jab, Jake down tilt, morty down tilt/up tilt, grapple is fine and if they change it you all have the chance of having Batman on S+ tier and NOBODY want that again

[dusky atlas]

if they buff it grapple then im gonna struggle hard as garnet

you have to commit so hard so if he throws batarang and grappling i have to choose what one to deal with

[indigo egret]

First of all, Steven jab, Jack D-tilt, ect, and grapple can all be bad at the same time.

Secondly this whole conversation started taking about Side Specials in particular.

In comparison to most every side Special in the game Grapple is bad. For the most part side special are kill moves, weather they kill outright think WW, Shaggy, Jack.

Or as a part of a combo, Jason’s Jab> Jab side special, joker jab > side special, ect.

Grapple is way higher risk than most of these moves but the payoff just isn’t there.

I don’t think they should make it stronger. Just not so easily punished so that make more sense to try it even if it’s not a kill move.

[indigo egret]

I feel like her armored move a pretty good at dealing with that.

At least if they throw out batarang first.

Usually the armor blocks Batarang and its not hard to time him coming it. At least in 1s.

In 2s everything a bit more tricky

[dusky atlas]

thats if you get to an armored move in time

[indigo egret]

My go to is Grounded neutral. If their at grapple distance it’s pretty consistent

[zinc gorge]

can anyone give me a few tips on how to play batman? things to use in neutral, combos, etc

[dusky atlas]

nvm i call bs batman doesnt have to commit at all if he misses and i dodge he can instantly use another move

[indigo egret]

But don’t even have to dodge it… you can just throw out a move and catch him coming in. The actual hit box on that move is pretty small.

[velvet quail]

I bet the dollar bill that Bruce Wayne throws is the money people are gonna spend on the 3 skins

Or possibly mine if I can't grind alot soon...

[flint furnace]

There are gonna be people who'll spend money / gleamium on the other 2 elusive skins. Me, I only wanted Bruce.

[velvet quail]

Same.

Ill pronably try to get at least 3 purple candy then buy the other 3 with moneh