Batman

[iron ermine]

divekick not only has a really good priority

it leads to 0-60/55 combos

guess they deleted every message now

[iron ermine]

yea his uppercut is an SS tier move

[untold valve]

Every time I go against a Batman they spam the uppercut that hits half the screen

[undone wraith]

Plenty of people have talked about it

[real yacht]

It’s not as bad as gizmo or Morty mains tho

Yeah, but almost every Morty or gizmo I’ve seen say that they suck or aren’t top tier

[tardy gyro]

Batmain aint broken in comparison to others lmao

Hes not top tier

Hes high tier

Not top

[undone wraith]

Morty mains downplay him heavy

[real yacht]

he is top tier

[real yacht]

yeah its annoying tbh

[tardy gyro]

He is not

Not when finn, arya, gizmo etc exist

Hes not on their level

[real yacht]

hes probably 5th best character

finn is onlly good bc of his 0-death, gizmo isnt better than batman, and arya is probably the best

[real yacht]

only other 2 ppl better than batman is IG and jack, maybe joker but probably not

[undone wraith]

Joker def better

Gizmo too

[sick smelt]

Battu man

[indigo egret]

Nah, Jacks gotta be up there somewhere. Man is a machine

[indigo egret]

Your not wrong, they kinda just touch you once and your dead sometimes

[tardy gyro]

bro

aint no way

ur joking right lmaoo

[real yacht]

Dude idk what you mean, the only person better than Batman is LeBron

[tardy gyro]

and velma

[clever pollen]

A tier maybe

He struggles too much against Arya and Gizmo

[iron ermine]

ye batman is A tier

[tardy gyro]

Yeah A tier

Hes not top

[indigo egret]

I feel like he struggles with smaller characters in general. A little harder to get consistent combos

[zinc kite]

Batman mains

If u spam dive kick

Like a loser

Ur a opp

[clever pollen]

if you dont spam divekick youre not a true batman main

i dont make the rules

[zinc kite]

Sadly there will be no true batman mains next patch cuz its dive kick is getting nerfed 🙏😭

Sorry man

[tardy gyro]

Morty main talkin bout spamming

[zinc kite]

At least u can punish dirt

[tardy gyro]

Yess broo lets go nerf batman until hes useless please

Cut his arms and legs off

[zinc kite]

Bro are u so scared of nerfs

😭🙏

Problably u cant cancel out of dive kick anymore

Next patch

[tardy gyro]

Yes 💀

Divekick is dopamine

I'll die without cancel

Now its gonna be doodoo

Whiff it

Dead

[zinc kite]

Bro u think its fine to spam a move over and over

And u cant get punished

By doing it

[tardy gyro]

Yes I do

When its me that does it

Not u tho

And anyone else

[tardy gyro]

Buff batman

Hes low tier

[candid ether]

quick question for the batman mains here

Do you pick the easy way out for everything in life or are you just like this on mvs

[tardy gyro]

Do you wanna be touched or do you wanna be touched

Jokes

Wdym man

At least its not

Finn

Or arya

Or joker

[candid ether]

nahh batman is much easier to plau

because the hitboxes are huge

everything combos into everything

[tardy gyro]

Mmmm nnnahhh

[clever pollen]

Youre describing finn rn

wrong chat

[quiet pier]

Y’all saw that broken Arya tech someone did in a tournament 😭 #clips message

3 zero to deaths in a row Is mad

Anyways is the number 1 (ranked 1s) Batman in the server?

[jade perch]

how do u know what character rank u are

[clever pollen]

Not that I know of

[clever pollen]

Play ranked and check your # in the character tab

[jade perch]

Ah gotcha

i gotta play more 1s

[lapis dirge]

nerfs when?

[tardy gyro]

Never

If we get nerfs imma lose my mind

Batman is balanced idc

Somewhat

I wouldn't mind as long as it doesn't make him a complete bore to play

[lament marsh]

IF they nerf anything, it's probably gonna be Divekick lol

8 out 10 times someone is complaining about BMan, they always bring divekick to the argument

[clever pollen]

Divekick my beloved

[zinc kite]

Divekick spam needs to be fixed

So nerf nerf nerf

[tardy gyro]

no

no more divekick down air anyway

gone

tech

sad

wahhh

[shadow thicket]

dont wanna hear mfs complaining about divekick, and for some reason they disguised the bat-a-rang nerfs

we have to become more people

🫡

[wise lodge]

We are trying to make the Air Down Special (“Crashing Justice” dive kick) less centralizing and more challengeable. We’re beginning to evaluate how to make Batman feel more dynamic in an upcoming patch.

Air/Ground Neutral Attack
~ Batarang will only attempt to home in towards Batman for a maximum of 3 seconds.
~ Batarang will be destroyed if Batman is still the owner of the Batarang when he is rung out
~ Batarang will be destroyed if Batman is still the owner of the Batarang when he attempts to spawn a new one
Air Down Special
– Start-up window increased 6 frames
– Leg hurtbox size increased

Imagine selling at air down special

[subtle saffron]

can we get more knockback on up special next patch

[loud sky]

u know how crazy my baterang control was.. now its like i practiced this shi for nothing i used to practicing hitting the craziest angles jus so i could have an approach in difficult matchups and crazy neutral finesse idc about divekick but at least let his only projectile that has been nerfed to ashes be good

#revertBaterang

the can keep it to where its one at a time

but aerial baterang is important for high level play

[tardy gyro]

I blame those dumb videos that showed the batarang spinning around him constantly and him being able to have 3 or 4 at the same time

So stupid tbh

[loud sky]

But when I say somethings don’t need to be posted people think I’m tripping

[tardy gyro]

Still tbh even with those videos (which I still blame idc) its not like it could be pulled off in a match lmao unless ur opponent was handicapped and braindead

[hushed fern]

Bro batman is so garbage now what do I do

[tardy gyro]

Stop using divekick constantly

I mean yk

Adapt basically

I hate it was well what they did

But theres no point in spamming divekick now

Just putting urself at a disadvantage cause it takes 10 yrs to cancel out of

So stupid bro I swear they coulda just made it so u cant dodge cancel

Only jump

[hushed fern]

I don't even spam it

I just

Have a hard time getting in and punish people

Feels like I can't kill either

Up special feels worse for some reason even fully charged

[zinc kite]

Stop crying u guys

Batman still good

[tardy gyro]

Still good but much worse

[hushed fern]

I mean yeah he's still good and I've gotta get better with him but he's definitely much worse

Also I don't think ranked is a good place to practice with my MMR I should stick to casual

For a bit

[subtle saffron]

no point in using the move in 99% of the scenarios

[subtle saffron]

hes still solid but genuinely just annoying when they gut moves without compensating

[tardy gyro]

Maybe if I could not get 10 years input delay holy shi that would be so nice

Far out bro

Its bipolar as shi

10 billion yrs of input delay

And then smooth next game

And then 100 billion years of input delay

[summer estuary]

Just saying... Brave & the Bold skin with Diedrich Bader as the voice would be cool.

[tardy gyro]

ANY SKIN WOULD BE GOOD

PFG BRO

PLEASE

GIVE BATMAN A CRUMB OF THE CONTENT U GIVE HARLEY OR SOME OTHER ASS CHARACTER

[summer estuary]

Although if he gets another prestige (character change specifically) I think bringing back Loren Lester to play Robin (BTAS) would be nice.

[velvet quail]

He nerds an arkham skin. Like say the new Arkham Shadow game as a skin and get Roger Craig Smith to voice Batman.

[low mural]

batman is still mid

in terms of gameplay

[zinc kite]

"Still" mid?

He was never mid

He still prettt good

[tardy gyro]

mmmmmmmm

mmmmmmmmmm

is he tho

idk man

hes still good

but id say he went from a high A tier/Low S

to

low A tier or high B tier

[candid ether]

How are you even complaining

Bro has an A tier character and has the audacity to complain

[tardy gyro]

um cause it was unnecesary to nerf him like that in the first place

he feels like ass to play now

yeah lets go man I love not being able to cancel out of divekick until 10 years later

[candid ether]

Ur mad

[tardy gyro]

what man dont u like standing still for a billion yrs when u whiff slide

smh the audacity

[candid ether]

Don’t whiff?

[tardy gyro]

thats stupid lmao dont whiff

[candid ether]

Sounds crazy I know

[tardy gyro]

aight bro

[candid ether]

Your character is still top tier

[tardy gyro]

no hes not 💀

top tier my ass

[candid ether]

You got used to broken moves and know you’re mad they’re gone

[tardy gyro]

how is divekick broken

even so

doesnt mean u gut it like that

its unusable now

not balanced

and the batarang nerfs were just flat out unnecessary

hes still alright

but not top tier

no way

[low mural]

dive kick is his only good move

[clever pollen]

You dont play Batman it seems

[candid ether]

^^

[low mural]

i dont even dive kick that much

thats just all people complain about

thats why he gets nerfed all the time

[candid ether]

He still has good combos and read setups

[low mural]

Mastery 21 with him.

ik he has other good moves im speaking from a hyperbolic sense. cause thats what everyone else would complain about

[clever pollen]

It was too good of a move

[low mural]

how

[undone wraith]

Nearly impossible to contest, could be canceled out of any time, so there was no commitment to throwing it out, and it gave him great combos

It wasn’t the most egregious move in the game, but it was insanely good

[subtle saffron]

rather u say just dont use the move lol u whiffing this attack 90% of the time now

[subtle saffron]

fosho but was there a better way to go about it? does it feel overtuned?

[velvet quail]

Wrong

[indigo egret]

Yeah, dive kick is a good combo tool. But, when you compare it to bugs upair, jacks side special, shaggy side special, etc, which are all easy kill moves, dive kicks seems pretty insignificant.

[candid ether]

bro

How can you even think about comparing bugs upair to divekick

people in this server smh

[green bay]

Every nerf Batman got was justified. Imo they rarely did it in a good way unfortunately, but everything they touched was worth tweaking.
There is one issue tho is that by these nerfs, they removed a lot of what made Batman fun without ever compensating, leading to this version of Batman that is... more boring.
The good news is that it was acknowledged in the patch notes and they want to make Batman better in a futur patch.

[sacred wigeon]

Is there a way to requests buff?

[tardy gyro]

Idk just in feedback I guess

[sacred wigeon]

Batman I feel like has no real good way to approach now. I was in master 4 and I feel like since the update it has been much harder to keep up with most of the cast. Anyone know a way to approach characters better seeing as he doesn’t have the best jabs

[green bay]

It's not about the character. You reached a ceiling and now need to work harder to break it.

And also as I said in my previous message, Batman is going to have some kind of "soft" rework I guess

[sacred wigeon]

I accept that. But I feel like I’m losing to a lot of cheese if you know what I’m saying. It’s hard to try to catch any characters now and I used to fight people off ledge and now it’s basically unviable

[tardy gyro]

As long as he does get buffed later to compensate then im fine, and like I dont mind having to work harder as batman now, its just I at least want him to be fun to play which currently he's not rly.

[sacred wigeon]

Exactly I agree. I have to work twice as hard. I don’t complain much but I feel like they just nerfed him without considering giving him more viable options. It’s frustrating

[green bay]

I don't see Batman receiving straight up buffs since he's not bad by any mean.
I'm pretty sure what they will do next time they tweak him is reworking the cons and pros of the character to give back some of his lost depth

So that he has more streamlined strengths and weaknesses and isn't as linear as he became since they removed everything creative lol

That's why I hate the way the nerf some characters, Batman probably being the worst case of it right now with these divekick changes

They only care about making characters they nerf more on par with the rest of the cast without thinking about how that will affect the gameplay depth and compensating for it

It's just probably easier to do it their way 😅

[sacred wigeon]

Do you play Batman ? What have you been struggling with if you are

It’s hard to for me to be consistently dealing out damage like I used to now.

[green bay]

I used to yes. I took a break since S2 cause I'm not ok with the current state of the game but I'm still hoping to be able to enjoy it again one day

[green bay]

Combo routes have been heavily altered patch after patch yes

But I'm pretty sure Batman still have nasty stuff and 0 to death with batbomb

@tepid mulch @loud sky @wary depot will be better suited to tell you what is up about that

[sacred wigeon]

Do they play Batman as well?

And also where did you see these claims that they were planning to buff Batman? I’d like to check it out

[green bay]

Again, they never said buff lol

"We’re beginning to evaluate how to make Batman feel more dynamic in an upcoming patch. "

It's in the patch notes

And yes, the ones I pinged are all competent Batman players

[sacred wigeon]

I see thank you so much for the help. I don’t wanna see this game die but I don’t wanna the way they nerf character continue

[green bay]

Np. I'm still a believer, I do think overall the game is heading in the right direction

But it's a bumpy as hell road lol

[zinc kite]

He is

Ok so everyone here

Agree that Batman

Still a good character

A tier one

Hig A tier

[tardy gyro]

No he is not High A tier

I'd say High B tier rn

[zinc kite]

Bro stop downplaying

He is not

At the same level as jake

Garnet

Lebron

[full surge]

This is probably pretty accurate

Even with the dive kick nerf and the fact that dive kick dair requires a read to continue a combo, Batman is still hella strong

[undone wraith]

Dive kick is better than all of those except Shaggy's side b with rage

Shaggy's normal kick is very telegraphed and easy to bait and punish

Same with Jack's side b

Although that move is a little better than Shaggy's base kick

Bugs up air is really good, but it's mainly for juggling and confirming

You can't throw it out in neutral the way Batman could with his dive kick

It didn't straight up kill, but you couldn't contest it at all

You'd get a trade at best

He could also cancel out of it so that he could punish you for trying to trade

[indigo egret]

I feel you in 1s. Those moves are pretty manageable. but in 2s you can throw out those move all day long and almost never get punished. I honestly don’t think the dive kick nerf did much. But I didn’t rely on it much pre nerf so idk. But sometimes I feel like they balance some charters with 1s in kind but let them get away with murder in 2s.

[subtle saffron]

was batman even that good in 2s?

[indigo egret]

Nah, in the Bata, he was the GOAT! but low tier in 2s. If I’m remembering correctly, according to the stats he was S+ in 1s and D- in 2s.

You’re insane if you think Batman’s up special and bugs up air are even on the same level.

That bat covers have the dang screen. Bugs upair is cracked.

[tardy gyro]

Bugs up air is so much better

[loud sky]

The fact that divekick into Dair doesn’t kill at 3000% because of auto tech might be the shittiesr game design even

😂😂

[summer estuary]

ehhh idk about that

[jade perch]

idk bro i was very highly ranked in 2s and 1s lol

[clever pollen]

What did auto tech do again?

And does it affect Batman much? Havent been able to try it out myself

[tardy gyro]

Auto tech makes it so that if someone is ground bounced 2 times in a row they'll dodge automatically

[clever pollen]

So its an anti-loop tool

I see why Batman can suffer from this

[clever pollen]

The 2nd bounce is dodged automatically? Or the third?

[tardy gyro]

2nd

[clever pollen]

What

Thats awful

[tardy gyro]

2nd bounce it techs

Yeah

[clever pollen]

💀

[tardy gyro]

But I think its still a good addition cause its easy to read

U can still combo

Just stops loops

[clever pollen]

Yeah true

But it was damn satisfying to do

3rd bounce would make a little more sense to me

[tardy gyro]

Divekick down air 😞

Gone

[clever pollen]

:(

[tardy gyro]

I still do divekick down air into jab and stuff tho

Still makin it work

Cause if u know they're gonna tech just predict left or right

And yk

I do wish it was 3rd ground bounce tho

The worst thing about batman now

Is divekick

I mean not worst im saying like its the worst "nerf" that happened

Its so garbage now kinda

Idk

Just gotta adapt I guess

[clever pollen]

Ill be back sunday so I can try it out for myself

[tardy gyro]

Be ready for the difference

Its not gonna be easy getting used to it lmao

I meann ehhhh

Idk

Its just cus we always used divekick

Like constantly

Now we have to be more careful about it

[subtle saffron]

Meh not rlly

U can play without it but when they on ledge or when ur trying recover its barely an option

[urban wraith]

Haven’t played in a couple weeks but saw there’s a patch update. How’s Batman been?

[loud sky]

he got way worst

nerfed again

[shadow thicket]

played in a tourney with him worst idea of my life, switched over to supes🙏

[zinc kite]

Skill issue

[shadow thicket]

ditto?

[shadow thicket]

pls be atleast master rank 1

[zinc kite]

Uhh

What do u even mean

Im Master 4 tho

[shadow thicket]

wanna ditto?

[zinc kite]

What is ditto

[shadow thicket]

bru it basically mean 1v1 with the same char

[zinc kite]

Oh

Im not home rn

Sorry

[shadow thicket]

ur good bro

[zinc kite]

We can do it later

[shadow thicket]

bet

[urban wraith]

Just what I wanted to hear!!!

Ugh

Gotta love it

[loud sky]

COPY CATTT I BEEN SWITCHED😭😭

bro stealing my mains

Tech chasing on supes feels so good. He plays a lot of matchups well and the matchups he looses are so easy to counterpick

[loud sky]

but idk i feel like my batman evolved even more after nerf

taking away bad habits makes my neutral more patient

[shadow thicket]

true

[zinc kite]

Batman is really strong on a good way

He is an honest A tier

[shadow thicket]

the first char I ever played was superman but I switched over to batman because he was wayy easier to use in beta and funner, im only going back to my roots🫡

[subtle saffron]

what are the best moves to combat supes other than rang

[loud sky]

He’s combo food but he kills Batman easily also he can frost rang u just have to play amazing the whole time or else u can get gimped at any percent because ur light

Armor slide is good but all good supes bat it slide and get dair starter

Upspecial is really good especially aerially upspecial because it covers many options

Almost like a shield in this matchup

U can even whiff it on purpose just to space

[low mural]

Wong

[low mural]

@fresh dust

[low mural]

@fresh dust

[low mural]

@fresh dust

[clever pollen]

What are you doing

[low mural]

@fresh dust

[fresh dust]

I’ve played Batman since beta I know the guy who is pinging me. I didn’t want to read discord because I was worried people in discord didn’t know the good and the bad with Batman

[low mural]

@fresh dust

[fresh dust]

They keep touching Batman’s butter in his bread and butter but higher tier characters still keep the bread and butter

[low mural]

@fresh dust lmao

@fresh dust

@fresh dust

[fresh dust]

They minuscule nerfs and keep good momentum meanwhile Batman gets nerfs and feels like a stone in the air when doing any move startup

[low mural]

i think thats enough of me tagging you into stupid comments about batman

good day

[undone wraith]

?

That was way before any nerfs lmao

[fresh dust]

Batman has horrible downward Ariel combat and now with the tech change you can’t do dive kick into spike to knock someone out of the map

[clever pollen]

Please stop spamming

[low mural]

you will be alright

[low mural]

he was still mid

[clever pollen]

username checks out

[paper lynx]

why did i get pinged here

[undone wraith]

He was like high tier

Especially back when slide and divekick were left untouched

[clever pollen]

We got someone trying to prove their weird point by pinging half the server

[low mural]

does it?

[low mural]

idk cause i wanted to ig

[lapis dirge]

batman is brain dead lol

[clever pollen]

it definitely does

[low mural]

ig

[clever pollen]

😂

[low mural]

sure

[lapis dirge]

if you wanna play batman but honest play garnet

[undone wraith]

💀

[low mural]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[low mural]

💀

[undone wraith]

\💀

[clever pollen]

typical

[low mural]

typical @clever pollen

[clever pollen]

1 blocked message

[low mural]

ayo

if you get blocked, you know you win

[fresh dust]

Blocking admits defeat ig he couldn’t handle a actual conversation with valid criticisms of Batman

People wanna live in their own twisted reality lol

[clever pollen]

Spamming emotes is an actual conversation?

[fresh dust]

You’re a interesting fellow

What emotes

That ain’t me lol

[tardy gyro]

Ew

Its getting a little stinky in here

👅

B33tler is correct

In whatever he said

Hes right

In whatever the argument was

[low mural]

glazing him so hard

[tardy gyro]

Hes my pookie

[clever pollen]

Ty bb

💋

[summer estuary]

I really hope we get a blue suit soon

[tardy gyro]

I really hope we get any suit soon

Lmfao

[plucky oriole]

Do any of the top Batman’s stream or make YouTube content ?

[shadow thicket]

hes a 2's batman but his name is ImCosty search him up on twitch

there is also SuprChyTTV hes a 1s batman although he doesnt stream alot

[plucky oriole]

Ok thanks

[inland jackal]

is batman a good main?

[alpine mango]

Yes.

Why would you ask that? Of course he's a good main. He's Batman.

[loud sky]

I make YouTube stuff a lil

[jade perch]

havent switched off him since beta lol

[dusk kernel]

as long as you get prep time (lab) you can beat anyone

[velvet quail]

Wang

[alpine mango]

Wane

[velvet quail]

Bane

[undone wraith]

Bane for MVS????

(Pls don’t it would be so toxic)

[alpine mango]

Bruce, it's been 5 years. You still owe me 16 dollars.

[velvet quail]

Not only that but we have enough dc characters. Especially ones involving Batman. If anything we need more JLA members

[loud sky]

true but dc characters have the most fluid movesets in this game

notice how everyother character theyve released since joker absolutely stinks

and is boring

[tardy gyro]

Woahhhh what da helll

Kuro

This is blasphemy

Smith and jack are great

Especially smith hes one of the most fun chars in the game

Altho I do agree dc characters on top 💯

I want green lantern and darkseid

[lament marsh]

And i want to see the fastest man alive

[alpine mango]

I would like to see Cyborg

[lament marsh]

And what class would you like to see him as? Projectile intensive mage? Middle term bruiser or just bulky mode tank?

[alpine mango]

That... is an excellent question...

[tardy gyro]

He def a tank

Darkseid a tank, flash an assassin, green lantern a bruiser

Idc what ppl say tbh more dc characters is always good

[indigo egret]

I’d be down to see Redhood. Not sure how they would make him very different form Smith but the dialogue would be peak.

[loud sky]

jack is a spammer and Smith "WAS FLUID"

marceline is there next chance at a fluid character

[honest wing]

I keep seeing batman's using static electricity instead of pugilist in the 3rd perk slot. Is it really better than pugilist? I feel like you wouldn't be on the ground for that long (in 2s)

[tardy gyro]

Nahh they're both pretty fluid

Smith more than jack

Smith with these buffs has been crazy good

[summer estuary]

Finally got the BTAS skin after grinding for it ;v;

[hasty lance]

what do u do against taz

[clever pollen]

Save batarang for his tornado moves, they have high priority and are almost uncontestible

So you can batarang him and then follow up with an attack

Prepare for a long, patient battle

I feel the Taz matchup definitely got a little harder due to the divekick nerf

[short nest]

If their is one single projectile that should be spammed in a WB fighting game, it’s the baterang

[clever pollen]

Jerry

Marvin bubble

[jagged fjord]

i'm trying to learn how to use Batman in 1's. how would i go about choosing a signature perk? do u pick one based on the weight of the opponent's character or what?

[tardy gyro]

5% or batarang

Only ones I'd choose

The grapple perk jus

Sucks

Its up to u at that point, batarang can be rly good and thats the one I use, but 5% is like the safe option u can never go wrong with 5%

[jagged fjord]

o

ok*

[subtle saffron]

why does jab jab batarang into jab not work on agent smith?

[tardy gyro]

Jab jab batarang isnt true im like 90% sure

[iron ermine]

huh

it s not true anymore??

[tardy gyro]

Ummm I dont think it was for majority of the time since release im not entirely sure how right I am so dont take my word for it I suppose but I remember seeing ppl say jab jab batarang aint actually true

And ik for sure rn it isn't ppl escape it all the time

[iron ermine]

idk it worked for me

[subtle saffron]

i think it is

unless im theres something im missing i tried all the dodge x after hitstuns on tom and jerry and shaggy and it worked

tried it smith rn three times it landed once

maybe im just bad

[full surge]

If you use jab often, you’ll stale it and it’ll have less hitstun and won’t combo into batterang

[subtle saffron]

i tried it in the lab after reset sometimes it just wasnt landing idk what im doing wrong tho

[jagged fjord]

i just got my first 3-stock as Batman on a Harley Quinn player. am i goated with the sauce? 😮 i've been using the thunder perk (idk what it's called) but it feels kinda nice sometimes. hard to tell if its better than Pugulist

[jade perch]

thunder? ngl blanking opn that lol

[subtle saffron]

static perk

[jagged fjord]

what he said. it's pretty decent on big maps like Scooby Doo's Mansion

[tardy gyro]

Dont u have to walk for 4 seconds

Seems kinda bad

[jagged fjord]

yeah, but i'm always running away from my opponent the entire game. it's kinda how u have to play Batman

[tardy gyro]

Not really

Batman plays aggressively

And u have to move without doing anything for 4 whole seconds which is kinda crazy

No dodges no anything

I think

[jagged fjord]

the timer is always counting. it just says u have to not leave the ground or it resets. the game is so passive that it's viable

[tardy gyro]

Idk

Batman applies shock already anyway

So pugilist is kinda much better

[iron ermine]

with what actually?

i am curious

[alpine mango]

Neutral Special on cooldown

[tardy gyro]

Its just neutral special

Even with batbomb

U can use his electric gloves

Jus double tap

I think unless im tweaking

Either way yeah

Neutral special on cooldown at least

[iron ermine]

alrr got it

[jade perch]

think i found an insta-death combo

kinda unrealistic but it works

[subtle saffron]

@jade perch show like a couple of us then gatekeep we cant have batman getting anymore nerfs😭🙏🏾

[jade perch]

@subtle saffron check combos

i posted it yesterday

actually imma delete it

[subtle saffron]

Send it to me

[jade perch]

check dms @subtle saffron

[wraith hawk]

They gotta add boomerang as a legendary skin for this guy

[alpine mango]

As in Captain Boomerang?

[loud sky]

send

i have a feeling i know what it could possibly be

[tardy gyro]

THEY GOTTA ADD SOMETHING BRJRENDGHSJJFS

we havent got any actual skins like the others since release

[subtle saffron]

its read based batbomb into up special into

[tardy gyro]

Where is our bruce wayne skin broooo

[clever pollen]

Maybe S3

Since Harley gets her Harleen Quinzel skin

[alpine mango]

Actually, that'd be hilarious.

[tardy gyro]

We should be getting one ummm yk "rumours" and all 👀

[hushed fern]

We're getting a Michael Keaton batman skin instead apparently

[indigo egret]

I’m cool with that. But The Batman 2022 suit would go crazy

[clever pollen]

leak?

[dusk kernel]

I've heard it's going to be the 1960s batman suit, no idea where the Keaton rumor comes from.

[alpine mango]

Where are they gonna get an Adam West soundalike?

[hushed fern]

WB announced plans for batman day 2024 and it said multiversus was gonna have a batman day event and a 89 batman skin

[tardy gyro]

sick

Id take that

ik abt the batman day event leak

didnt know what skin we would get

they said 2 special variants tho

[tardy gyro]

^^^^^

[summer estuary]

So, anyone else see the 1989 Batman skin in the recent trailer?

[alpine mango]

Man

[dusk kernel]

I was right!

[tardy gyro]

Indeed u were

[zinc kite]

Love how all these DC characters are broken on their own way 🥰

[hushed fern]

Are you stupid?

[tardy gyro]

Batman is balanced now tho

Hes just good

Not broken

[zinc kite]

Superman
Batman
Joker
Harley
Joker
Ww

They all have smth broken abt them

[hushed fern]

Batman is balanced but I was just joking

[zinc kite]

Him giving weakned after every hit is kinda busted

[hushed fern]

Eh weakened isn't that good anymore after it lost 2 stacks

[zinc kite]

Not really

Thats why Morty be killing at 90

Dirt giving weakned

[lament marsh]

He doesn't

[zinc kite]

Up tilt, up air, down tilt, batrang, etc...

[hushed fern]

Idk. I never notice any differences with it

[lament marsh]

specific moves, not every hit lol

[lament marsh]

3 stacks equals 15% damage and knockback increase

if i'm not mistaken

[zinc kite]

Still a good amount

Should not be like that

Mainly batrang giving 3 stacks with the perk like damn

[lament marsh]

Honestly, that one is up to the opponent, sometimes i get 0 value from using it because the dude i'm facing is aware of it coming back and just dodges lol

[zinc kite]

3 stacks still 3 stacks

They should just rework weakned

Its too strong rn

And some characters get it too easily

Like batman

And Morty

[lament marsh]

Atleast they reduced the max amount of stacks to 3

Which honestly did more for Last Stand

Last Stand on any heavy character was something else when the max stacks were 5

[hushed fern]

It's not about the gyatt batman, it's about sending a hawk tuah skibidi aura...

[tardy gyro]

K

GET OUT 🗣️🔥🔥

[clever pollen]

Whats broken about Harley

[wraith hawk]

long ahh nair

[zinc kite]

Side air

Up air

Insane neutral game

Slide

Nair

Etc

Harley mains downplay their character a lot dont let they make u believe she is bad or smth

[clever pollen]

Never had any issues with a harley after release

50% of my matches in beta were against harleys tho

Now maybe 5%

[subtle saffron]

i would not call harley broken tho

[zinc kite]

Not that broken compared to the top tier rn

But if they get nerfed and Harley dont

U guys gonna see what im taking abt

[subtle saffron]

i dont think they will ever let that happen

[zinc kite]

No actual start up for this character bruh 😭

Has actual no start up

Its insane

Batman is so broken

[honest wing]

Any good 2s bats on twitch?

[jagged fjord]

no. he's terribad in 2s

[subtle saffron]

no hes not

batman is so bad hes worse than bananaguard

#buffbatmansupspecial

[zinc kite]

Bro is playing his own copy of mvs 😭

[subtle saffron]

nuh uh

[subtle saffron]

but i hope they can slightly change either slide or dive kick and then give us some other buff to sair 2 and batman will be fun again

[alpine mango]

Sair 2 hits if you don't land immediately after Sair 1.

[indigo egret]

Honestly, I just think he need slightly more consistent kill confirms and maybe a more reliable way to deal with armor when he’s in the air and he’s golden.

It’s a little annoying to die to Jason Jab, Jab, side B, or shaggy side special when you’ve been combing like crazy. But other then that I think Batman is in a good place

[indigo egret]

I honestly don’t see that perk triggers, often enough to be worth much tbh.

If you manage to land it at higher percents it helps close out a stock, but most of the time people will just run until the weakness falls off. So the 5% perk is usually better over all IMO.

I for think it can go crazy in 2s though. If your playing with a heavily and just focus applying weakened you can take people out pretty quickly.

[subtle saffron]

they really gotta do sum with the up special knockback bro idk why batman is struggling to kill superman IN THE AIR at 130 with up special

[lament marsh]

Isn't Superman the second heaviest character in the game? He's only losing to IG

[alpine mango]

And he ties with Jason.

[jade perch]

jason big as hell ngl, its insane how little knockback i get until like 90 dmg

even arguably 100 lol

[clever pollen]

😂

[zinc kite]

Maybe Beetlejuice is too bad

[muted fiber]

what's best batman perk in middle set, speed force assist or last stand

[subtle saffron]

speed force imo cuz batman barely lives at 100 he too light

[indigo egret]

I’m hoping for some slight Batman buffs on Tuesday

[subtle saffron]

Im literally hoping for anything positive for bats if not i might uninstall if ppg aint fun

[indigo egret]

I fear that PPG will be fun to play, but agonizing to play against.

But seems like that changed a bunch so there’s hope!

[muted fiber]

is batman too light? he's bruiser but i think he's more like assassin when i'm playing. other bruiser like smith or garnet they are actually heavier than batman

[subtle saffron]

Ye hes pretty light

[muted fiber]

but speed assist is kind less impact i think. just 5% tho. last stand is number one pick for bruiser or tank i guess?

batman can take damage more than 100 he's light but not too light.

[zinc kite]

Autistic Chinese Morty

[subtle saffron]

Ngl it seems like u want to do the last stand bro just do it lol

I dont care for last stand personally cuz batman dies very early for me sometimes so its just not worth it imo

[tardy gyro]

Oh hell nah

Well well well

He appears again

[hushed fern]

mucS

[alpine mango]

Who wouldn't? He's Batman.

[muted fiber]

Bro. I'm using speed force assist. I was just curious you know some batman player whom I seen were using last stand. I think it was good for 2V2 play but speed is more helpful generally rounded well situations. Speed force is top peak for 1V1 or any situation

[subtle saffron]

theres realistically no "ideal" batman perk setup none of them really change his playstyle i just use speedforce assist cuz its well rounded

[muted fiber]

Agreed

He needs some Buffs

[tardy gyro]

I have to pookie hes my main 😭

[rapid karma]

Batman sux

[clever pollen]

wrong

[summer estuary]

Alright, I like the upcoming Batman content. Still unsure about the rework thou

[alpine mango]

New Dash Attack looks cool

[zinc kite]

We did NOT need a batman rework 🙏😭

[vale forge]

Hes lit the god of saucy combos now

[clever pollen]

we did a little

[indigo egret]

Nah, Bats need a small buff. We'll see if they overdid it tomarrow

What do you think makes him OP?

[alpine mango]

Batman cannot kill

[indigo egret]

True, His combo game has allwasy been pretty great but He has no consistant Kill confirms

[alpine mango]

What good are those if you can't kill?

And they changed that

Done.

Maybe you should play him if he's so... easy.

[indigo egret]

Dash attack kills at like 112 on IF they are already on the ledge. Most other charaters can kill way earlier with more conistant set ups.

[alpine mango]

You seem to be complaining like a weirdo.

[green bay]

He needed it more than anyone

[zinc kite]

Dont say that

Morty

Steven

Jake

[indigo egret]

His up hairs are good but nothing crazy. Bugs has a crazy up air, Jason has better up air ect.

[zinc kite]

No one actually asked for an Batman rework

[indigo egret]

In some ways sure. But Jason has a ton of really good kill confirm. Jab > Jab, Side Special, anything with his axe, rage

Sure but WW, Superman, smith, and T&G all have show stopper moves, Like WW Side special, Supermans Armored moves and grabs, Smiths grab, T&J rocket that cann all kill with one hit at higher precents while batman has to land a combo and then lamb the upair for it to mean anything.

[green bay]

They all are complete characters with meaningful options.
I think it's a good occasion to remind you all that there is a difference between :

• A character being weak
• A character being too linear

If a character's issue is just being weak, he doesn't need a rework, he need a buff.
Batman was strong enough, there was never an issue about that.
But Batman was gutted out of his originality and creativity. He became SO linear that he became the shadow of himself, and the reason I took a break from the game.

Batman needed a rework not because he was too weak but because he wasn't half as interesting as he 1st was, half his neutral tool was virtually non-existent.

[indigo egret]

Yeah, Jason can take you out in like two hits, So he has no real need for combos. That being said, jason has some pretty good combo's Not batman level good, But Batman's combo's arn't so good that he doesn't need better kill confims IMO

[green bay]

So please, stop mixing everything. Of course Batman needed this rework.

[indigo egret]

Yeah that's fair but, Who cares if Batman can hit you with a 12 hit combo If somone like jason can kill you with a three hit combo.

[zinc kite]

Funny enough u guys were never asking for it but all the characters i mentioned if u check their channels there is a lot of people asking for a rework 😂

People in here be having the most atrocious takes ever

[indigo egret]

I'm not saying Jason is better overall, I'm just saying Jason's kill options are better overall. and Batmans better combo's don't necciosarly translate into better ourcomes. Jasons combo's are no joke, Guy is a beast!

[green bay]

I'm talking about myself here, and I definitely was waiting for what they did here for a whole season.
May I add that a playerbase don't know what they want, because most of the time they can't even conceive what should be done to make things better. I mean, not everyone is a game designer for a reason.

[indigo egret]

I honestly don't think atmans speed is nearly has good as you're making him out to be. He's fast sure, but WW, BG, Bug, Jason, Really anyone with a disjoint can beat his speed simply by using a weapon so...

Sure but most every charater has somthing to make up for the lack of combos. Jason Hit like a mac truck, Superman and WW have armored moves, ect.

[zinc kite]

WHAT, DO, YOU, MEAN 🙏😰😰

You are

[green bay]

" WAYYY too much speed"
Edit the full sentence to be full caps and bold at that point. Like the speed of Batman is THAT much of an issue lol

[zinc kite]

Actually saying

[zinc kite]

That Batmans speed is bad/mid

[green bay]

what are you saying ?????

Oh you're this type. Yea good luck @indigo egret you're alone in this

[indigo egret]

No, That's not what I said at all... What I said was His speed is not so much greater then the charaters that It's unbeatable. You're acting like the guy is the flash and You have no chance to even react. Yes Batman is fast. But Who care how fast he is if All WW has to do is swing a sword that will close the gap before that speed means anything

[green bay]

People lack nuance, you're not gonna achieve sh*t

Drop your weapons and leave

[green bay]

He never said that

[zinc kite]

You guys need to stop acting like Batman isnt hig A tier

[green bay]

Nah he was

next

[zinc kite]

He still is bruh just because u cant no longer spam a move without getting punished that doesnt mean he isnt bad at all

[green bay]

Probably yes, maybe even stronger we'll see. What is the point of this ?

Again, he wasn't reworked because he was weak.

This is not the reason why you rework a character

[indigo egret]

I think eveything you just said would apply to just about any charater in the game.

[indigo egret]

Yeah, I don't think anyone thinks Batman is weak RN. I just think need need some small tweaks.

[green bay]

He's a rushdown man, rushdown have everything

[green bay]

Yea the problem is he was relying on a couple of super strong tool and that's it. This was super bad design and I'm glad they understood the underlying issue of why Batman became that way and fixed this.
Batman could end up being weaker that I wouldn't care.

[indigo egret]

Honestly mid A Tier

[indigo egret]

Fair enough, But I think that's an issue across the board. form jack spamming side special, Shaggy spamming kick, ect

In 1s sure, But in 2s you cna throw that out without getting punished all the time

[green bay]

Totally, and they acknowledged that in the stream.
But boy does Batman was the embodiment of that cause when the game released he was actually a complete character, and they just took everything creative out of him lol

[indigo egret]

Both? I play all the game modes.

[green bay]

But tbf he was also very toxic during S1, he needed nerfs 100%.
It's just the way they did them killed what made Batman fun

[indigo egret]

Yeah jack is nothing crazy in 1s but in 2s he can be a demon

[green bay]

He was still toxic as of today even tho he basically use 2 tools lol

[indigo egret]

Yeah, I'll give you that. In 1s Batman can go crazy! But so can a lot of charaters so...

[green bay]

This is the reason I don't wan't to communicate with you

Reminder that we have a Batman Discord server for anyone interested, can't share the link in here but you can DM me to get it or can also find it in the MultiVersus Pro server 👍

[indigo egret]

I mean maybe. But even if he is top 6/7 that what top 20%? Which I think is perfectly fine... When I play against a Batman I never get the feeling that he's unfair to play against like you get with some other charaters. He's good But has nothing disgusting like other charaters. At most I think he needs tiny tiny buffs in some areas. But if you buff him to much he would become a literal god.

Yeah, I don't think we really disagree on much. I think he need a few nerfs in some areas and a few buffs in others. But I don't think he's particualarly agregous. I think he need some minor changes and he'll be golden. But I also think other charaters have greater strengths in other areas so it kinda balances out. If everyone had the same combo game, damage output ect they would all feel the same and defeat the point of having multiple charaters. I don't thinks its far to say a charater is OP just becase they have one really strong aspect unless that really storng aspect is overtuned. Which, in Batmans case I don't think it the case for the most part.

[summer estuary]

I hope we got a Batman & Robin skin for Tom & Jerry

[indigo egret]

I mean, Id say just about every character has greater strengths in one area or another. But I would say the same about most anyother charater. Jason, WW, Superman, ect hit harder/have armored moves, Finn, WW, Smith, Jack, BG ect, have Really solid disjoints. Bugs, Rick, Morty, Have better zoning options . I mean Batman is not the best in every single way. And he shouldn't be Either. As for buffs, Hard to say with how manay changes this patch seems to have made. I think he needs a slightly better arial combo starter, even if they have to nerf combos overall to balence it out, and slightly better kills confim and thats it. Anything more then that and he'll be OP. anything less and it feels like you're doing twice the work when your oppoent only has to land one or two shots to get the same result.

[indigo egret]

That would go crazy! The batmans skins are popping of for the event!

Blud, I play charaters basically randomly a lot of the time. Batman has good combos yes. But so do a lot of other charaters. and for the most part charaters with weaker combo games have other strengths to make up for it. You're acting like Batman is some type of GOD charater that cannot be beat by anyone else.

[summer estuary]

mhm

[indigo egret]

Blud, You don't know what accounts I play on. You don't know who I play. I never said he wasn't strong. A lot of charars are stong.

Blud, Why are you trying to look up peoples accounts It's not that deep. I'm only defending Batman becasue thats the only charater we're talking about. I think other charaters need nerfs and Buffs too.

I have never said that Batman Isn't strong. All I have ever said was that certain things in his kit need to be slightly buffed and cerain things in his kit need to be slightly nerfed. You're the one obsessed with the idea that he is insanly good. That's literally the only thing we dissagree on. You think he's insanly good. I think he's very good over all but need some slight tweaks.

[subtle saffron]

so u cant do jab jab iad sair anymore?

we can only jab into dash attack or batarang or down attack?

[indigo egret]

I don't think so

[subtle saffron]

they honestly shouldnt have done that cuz it wasnt always true

interested on what else they done seems cooler now

[indigo egret]

Yeah, I don't think it will make that big of a diffrence. I think Jab > Jab IAD > Jab is also gone too

[subtle saffron]

we will have to see tomorrow i really hope they didnt change up too much cuz it was looking like everything now is going to have to rely on down attack which idk if u can get jab resets off of of guaranteed hits

[indigo egret]

I said he needs tiny buffs. Specifically A more consistant kill confirm at higher precents that it. Like I said, Anything more then that and he'll be crazy OP. I also said he needs a few nerfs in other areas. So I'm not sure why you're only focusing on part of what I've said.

[alpine mango]

Only a Sith deals in absolutes

[subtle saffron]

curious what do u think needs to be nerfed i dont think he needs much

[indigo egret]

Yeah, a little worried the rework and the overall combat chamges might be a bit much all at once. But We'll see tomarrow

[subtle saffron]

divekick is not great neutral(non batarang is not great) up attack isnt great its solid

alot of his moves arent great

[alpine mango]

Just ignore him. He doesn't play the game right.

[subtle saffron]

grappling hook is no where near great if ur halfway decent at parrying

[subtle saffron]

😭

im so serious alot of his moves were bad or extremely situational( wouldnt be bad if the situations were acheiveable at like 60% of the time)

[indigo egret]

Not much honestly. I thinks he's mostly in a good place RN. For buffs just a more constsant Kill Confim and thats about it. As for Nerf, I think Slide kick is a little to good, Dive kick can be alittle hard to contest for some charaters, and maybe down air is a little to big.

[subtle saffron]

situational bro

[alpine mango]

Who do you main?

Name them

He should be getting a few fixes this patch.

[subtle saffron]

i kinda understand the slide but if they nerf it anymore its practically useless unless they balance it out with a slight buff, dive kick loses to so many up attacks i would just leave it alone rn or remove startup and keep the cancel the same or the opposite, and his downair is pretty big i wont lie but that wont even matter cuz thats a hitbox thing which the game doesnt know how to adress despite trying in beta and somehow it became worse????

geniune question why

he doesnt look fun to play at all curious why u even bothered

💀

[indigo egret]

Yeah, I don't think he should be changed to much. I think he need some very small nerfs and buffs. But if they left him alone it's be fine but not ideal.

[subtle saffron]

lebron the weirdest lowtier he has potential and shaggy arya n nem aint low tiers

i hope ppg is bad so i can be the only ppg in masters

[indigo egret]

true, Lebron used to be goated but they kinda nefed him to the ground. He's just kinda just odd now. Idk

[hushed fern]

FREE BATMAN SKINS

[indigo egret]

We ARE EATING SO GOOD!

[subtle saffron]

Where did u see this

[alpine mango]

Youtube

[tardy gyro]

batman pookies

we eating real good

[hushed fern]

The batman event is going to let you spend the currency to get btas or samurai for free

[tardy gyro]

yeah I saw this as well

which is

insane

btas or samurai for free

so good

[subtle saffron]

sucks i alr used my hard earned free gleamium for animated bats lol

[hushed fern]

I was gonna buy it thank god I didn't

[subtle saffron]

free legendary variant is always good

[hushed fern]

And we got Michael Keaton batman too
Hope it has different voice lines

[tardy gyro]

now u can get samurai frrr

[indigo egret]

Yeah, that’s what they said in the livestream. Seems like you can choose either the Finn and Jake Batman skins or one Legendary Batman skin. So I guess sometime off event currency like the other events.

[subtle saffron]

do u have to buy him i skimmed over and i didnt see him in the battle pass

[tardy gyro]

nah u do have to buy him lol

gleamium

but imo hes not as good as samurai or btas so Id take a free legendary over 89 batman

[subtle saffron]

why would they do that

he could have been the skin the prestige store instead of that wack ass skin( sorry for those who like it)

[tardy gyro]

whattt

death metal>>>>

[hushed fern]

Wish it had the coat

[subtle saffron]

👎

[tardy gyro]

death metal is genuinely so much better than 89

[subtle saffron]

not to me

u do u

[tardy gyro]

89 batman is not better than death metal, samurai, btas imo

its cool

but

the suit itself is a whatever design

its still nice I suppose

[subtle saffron]

never said it was better than samurai or btas just dont like death metal

[tardy gyro]

ik im just saying

89 is one of his lesser good skins

death metal is good thoooo idk why u dont like it

its cool asf

[proper smelt]

what are they doing to baman

they're taking away my super readable dash attack??

[valid geode]

no they just made it easier to input

Can they just make the sair 2 easier to hit?

[subtle saffron]

Its possible they might have and just didnt showcase if not idk what they are doing atp

[vale forge]

Ngl

These character its like top 1 right now

[tardy gyro]

Chill lol we haven't played him yet but it is looking like a huge upgrade

[tardy gyro]

Making him better

[proper smelt]

Wait, so the ground down attack is changing from that sweep that can't hit anything to the slide kick?

[hushed fern]

I'm so glad they reverted slide dtilt

I missed that from the beta

[tardy gyro]

Its gonna be slide and then original down tilt

The kick after slide is gone

[green bay]

It's not

It's still the default followup, dtilt is gonna be an alternate followup

[tardy gyro]

Oh

Ohhhh

I just realised yes u are correct

This whole time I thought it got replaced lmao

[green bay]

Was there an issue with down attack ?

[proper smelt]

I had trouble getting the spacing off, it just felt awkward to me

skill issue, etc 😅

[mortal cargo]

hello. i have a question how precise do you need to be for batman combos? i am considering switching from harley, and i see a lot of slidekick cancels, but i dont know what the best way to cancel the 2nd kick is

[mortal cargo]

oh maybe i shouldnt worry about it if this is the case

[crude flax]

I wanna try out batman in the new update

[velvet quail]

Lec Luthor please. Need a Superman villain and superman stages like Metropolis, Fortress of Solitude and Daily Planet.

[velvet quail]

Same. Really interesting they put the slide kick back to the down neutral like in the beta.

[crude flax]

I never understood why they did that especially since they could've done like a shoulder tackle for his original dash attack

[tardy gyro]

NOOOOO DONT

DONT LISTEN TO THAT

I LIED

I had it twisted lmao

I thought it was gone

Everything is still there for batman

He just got a new dash attack is all

And these changes look amazing overall for him

[tardy gyro]

Yeah

At least now we got a cool asf new dash attack tho

[tardy gyro]

U cant cancel the 2nd kick after slide thats a kill confirm, u can cancel the slide into other things tho

U should pick him up tbh hes fun

I been maining him since the alpha

[velvet quail]

Very excited to try him

[jade perch]

batman is so back

lets go

[subtle saffron]

idk how im feeling

seems like dash attack is going to be ur combo ender rather than an extender and u cant jab into iad sair which wasnt 100% true

down tilt is ridicolous tho

seems very good

[hasty crystal]

I don't understand why he got his up normal nerfed, can someone please explain it to me?

[subtle saffron]

HOLY HE FEELS SO GOOD

rip iad sair but this feels so clean the down tilt

[steady robin]

So

They broke Batman

Eating good

[subtle saffron]

idk

does his dash attack have mad endlag or am i tripping

down tilt into cancel into dash attack is true that might be the best kill confirm he has rn

[mortal sable]

I thought there was a Michal Keaton Batman skin? Also how good is the new dash

[mortal sable]

What does it look like? I just started playing him?

[indigo egret]

So is dash attack is still strong? Or did they nerf it?

[subtle saffron]

i take it back death metal looks better

[indigo egret]

How much prestige is it? If I have enough imma try to buy it when I get home

[subtle saffron]

his down tilt is changed it goes shorter i think and his dash attack is meh as it see it, its coming out pretty slow sometimes ontop of the endlag it def has potential im just no crazy lab guy

[subtle saffron]

75,000 ibelieve

[indigo egret]

Sheesh, that’s not to bad! I thought it was gonna be way worse!

[subtle saffron]

dash attack also can bounce downwards too hmmm

[jade perch]

yooo

batman good?

i js loaded

[clever pollen]

Yep

[jade perch]

this new dash is sickkkk

[tardy gyro]

[subtle saffron]

hey man what i saw in the video looked horrible it looks more cleaned up now imo

[tardy gyro]

🫡 🦇

[subtle saffron]

wish this game had a randomizer for skins

[subtle saffron]

tried labbing a bit u can do some nasty routes with down attack

[jade perch]

is batmans dmg in game bugged

or am i just ass

[subtle saffron]

i think he has a batarang bug and possibly a grapple bug

[subtle saffron]

nope u might be right i just looked at an old clip where i think i saw the damage numbers move but i didnt receive any damge

[jade perch]

yea ive been getting lots of double-digit numbers when clearly doing more

[jade perch]

grapple

it flung me oppsoite of where i grappled

[valid geode]

wow you can actually hit down airs now

[subtle saffron]

does the death metal skin feel big for yall

[tepid mulch]

lol

[subtle saffron]

mighr be tweakin

[valid geode]

I think its just his big ass forearms and the thick cape on his shoulders

[hushed fern]

No it actually does

It feels heavier

I wonder if it unintentionally made him weight more

[green bay]

No no lol, this is not how it works 😂

[hushed fern]

I might be going insane then cuz I swear he feels heavier

[green bay]

But I really like the fact they gave him a bulky skin, and now he will also have a full black one

He's starting to have a good skin palette

[green bay]

It does give this feeling tho, I agree !

[hushed fern]

I wonder if Keaton will be legendary and have new voice lines

[green bay]

It deserves it

[loud sky]

It feels small almost made me feel like beta but I guess when u play too much Shinobi Batman anything seems small

[tardy gyro]

Im not on the game rn but could they have perhaps made everyone smaller by a bit

I saw the wonder woman mains talking abt it

How she's def smaller than before

I didnt realise it cus I played for like 2 seconds lol

[severe echo]

Should I learn this character? He honestly seems pretty cool

[clever pollen]

Yeah hes fun as hell

Yesterdays changes make him really solid

[severe echo]

The fact that he can apply weakened is sick

[clever pollen]

Only on certain moves, when invisible (first hit) and with the batarang perk

Its a nice touch but not overpowered or anything

[severe echo]

Fair

I like a character who can rush someone and wallop them to no tomorrow lol

[tardy gyro]

Btw if any batman main (or anyone in general) new or old thats not in the batman server sees this, feel free to dm me for an invite

[crystal bane]

pm @tardy gyro

[zinc kite]

This character is busted jeez

[dusk kernel]

He really makes you feel like Batman

[tardy gyro]

Lies

Buff batman

Never heard of him being overpowered

I heard hes like

D tier asf

Bottom of the barrel

[alpine mango]

Batman is B+. He does not need many changes.

[zinc kite]

Worst take i have ever seen

No like really

[alpine mango]

Wow. You must have seen some godlike takes then.

wait...

darn

[tepid mulch]

i agree

[indigo egret]

Now that we've been able to mess with the Batman Reworks How we feeling about it? I feel like the new Dash attack Doesn't feel like a dash attack. It has crazy end lag, Is kinda Lumbering, and Doesn't combo to to well. but the imporved movement is pretty nice!

[loud sky]

Man getting dodge reads into dash attack is very satisfying

[zinc kite]

And it kills at 80 😂

[dusk kernel]

he needs it 😌

[indigo egret]

Yeah, it feels like a tank move!

[lament marsh]

It reminds me of Superman's dash attack, but you punch them to the ground instead

[indigo egret]

Yeah, I was thinking the same. But I feel like Superman’s has way less endlag but maybe I’m tweaking

[lament marsh]

No, you're right, Bat's dash has way more

But then again, slide as a dash also had a lot of endlag due the nerfs, so it's nothing unusual

[subtle saffron]

i think they could still remove a little it has a bit much and when u use it as a combo ender they can sometimes ground bounce and not fly into a blast zone

[indigo egret]

Yeah, I don’t hate it, but it doesn’t feel like a Batman move

[indigo egret]

I feel like it’s not fast enough to be useful. I feel like 90% of the time slide is the better option so the new dash is kinda going unused. Maybe I just need to get used to it though

[lament marsh]

Keep in mind that it also breaks armor, and you can also combo from it at lower %

It's not a bad move

[indigo egret]

Yeah, not a bad move… but even though it has armor break it’s often not the best option. The only combo I can get with it consistently is dash attack > roll jab or roll up tilt. But maybe u just gotta play with it some more

[loud sky]

That move is great edgeguard it hits the bottom edge super well, also armor break in a double hit move will always be satisfying

[loud sky]

it is geniunely a kill move, that moves knockback is hilarious

[indigo egret]

Yeah, I feel like the knock back is so much that’s more of a combo ended then a combo starter. It does go crazy at ledge though

[north island]

I'm used to dash attacks with long end lag at this point. My complaint is that it doesn't look or feel like something Batman would do. Pretty satisfying though.

[green bay]

I don't know if you guys watched a lot of Batman content other than movies, but in comics/cartoons this kind of lunging punches is typically the type of move Batman would throw in a brawl, especially when fighting henchmen-like opponents

But the movie depictions of Batman obviously fight very differently and in those cases you rarely see this (would probably render horribly in live action)

[clever pollen]

Batman is more of a risk taker in the comics

Dash attack made sense for me after reading Dark Night Returns in the train today

My guy is 50 learning the old ropes again

[indigo egret]

Yeah, depends on the writer and how long Bruce has been Batman. In the game a lot of his moves feel calculated so the new dash attack kinda stands out as particularly brusher’ish compared to the rest .

[clever pollen]

I agree

It fits Batman but its not completely in line with the calculated moves from his kit

[green bay]

It does depend of how young Bruce is, and also depend of the writers.

But no to me the moment I saw the dash attack, it clicked instantly

It's a dash attack after all, a burst option. It's supposed to be a go-in offensive option and this is already not something Batman would generally do (again, except for younger versions of Batman or against henchmen)

Even a slide attack or the front-kick he does afterward aren't thing a "calculated" Batman would do lol

But I mostly think we shouldn't care much about having a coherent Batman. I think devs mostly care about having moves that references things we know and can recognize. A lot of characters in the game have a moveset that doesn't make sense lore wise (like they have access to multiple options that they don't have or don't develop at the same time in their respective stories)

[tardy gyro]

Umm idk its kinda exactly the move he'd use lol

[severe echo]

Any beginner tips for playing Batman? Like how should I be playing him and stuff

Also perks (I assume maybe his bounce boomerang, snowball, speed, and pugilist would work fine tho)

[jade perch]

i run either 5%/bounce with flammable for batarang, or 5% with well rounded

other 2 perks are speed and pugilist

5% goes with well rounded

and bounce with flammable

[severe echo]

What does well rounded do

[jade perch]

7% dmg increase for ur team

against player with highest dmg on other

dm me rq

[jagged fjord]

that's Snowball Effect

Well-rounded is a 5% damage & defense increase to urself

[quartz cipher]

How do I combo with the new Batman changes?

[jagged fjord]

depends on what ur first attack is

[clever pollen]

jab jab dtilt batarang jab jab dtilt dtilt (42 damage with Flammable Doc + Pugilist perks) credits to Sakutaze for finding this

learning how to tech read is crucial

[indigo egret]

Also, Down Air Special > Down air > Grounded Down special, is true and negates the tech roll. Not crazy damage but the mix up is pretty good.

[subtle saffron]

what are his best approach options

[indigo egret]

Slide is still pretty good, IAD > Sair is pretty good. IAD > Dair can be really good a lower percents

[green bay]

What do you mean by "negate" ? I didn't play much since the addition of techs so I'm not super knowledgeable about them but aren't you invincible from frame 1 of a tech ?

And up special just cover tech in place rather than negating the tech situation ?

[full surge]

I think he’s saying that it covers all tech options if done correctly. Similarly to Smash, there is a brief window of vulnerability after a tech before you’re actionable

The window is shorter for neutral tech and longer for tech roll

[green bay]

Yes, but that doesn't negate anything then, you just covered neutral tech

[full surge]

Is ground down special not large enough to cover all tech options?

I haven’t really played Batman since beta so idk personally

[green bay]

Not at all, unless the invincibility last like 5 frames

which I highly doubt but again, I'm not used to this mechanic as I just got back in the game

[full surge]

That’s fair

It could be character specific for like Jason or Iron Giant who are so big that they often get hit after a tech anyway

[green bay]

That could be a factor

[full surge]

But I’d imagine it wouldn’t work on someone like Arya

[green bay]

But I'll test that, if he's indeed right that's huge

But I'm very skeptical

[full surge]

It’s always good to be skeptical

Lot of people are misinformed about stuff

Not saying this guy is because I can’t confirm

But just in general

[green bay]

Yea, unfortunately.

[serene plume]

if you use aerial down special it combos into forward and down air

down special in air into fair into grapple is nice for damage, you can delay grapple for dodge read

which is better now, precision grap or weakenrang?