Batman

[loud sky]

And be better

That’s all I can say

Uppercut and up air obviously

And slide sometimes

[green bay]

Saw you sent me an invite, was semi-AFK. Its late for me, lets do this earlier tomorrow !

I was labbing some stuffs

And about that, I think we S L E P T on the perk STatic electricity

The one when we apply shocked on our next projectile if we move on the ground for 4s

[loud sky]

Well I’m acrobat Batman won’t be taking advantage plus we get free shock from neutral specia

[green bay]

1. You can't leave the ground while charging the effect but once it's activated, you can do whatever it will stays on until you use a projectile.
2. It deals 7% bonus damages (exactly 6.8%).
3. It replaces Pugilist that is around 8% bonus melee damage (checked it myself). So with 1 projectile you somewhat equal the bonus damage Pugilist would have offer after ~107%

4) ITS TRIGGERED BY GRAPPLE !! Like you just land a grapple you cancel afterward and you get 7% damages and probably burn 1 dodge meter if opponent tried to evade.

Like nah, it's cracked.

The ignition one s*ck a bit but Static ? Hard to pass. Depending of your playstyle I think it's at worst even with Pugilist. Straight up better otherwise.

[green bay]

It's 4% and doesn't apply on batarang/grapple

sure it's fine, but not comparable

I'm gonna test that extensively in pvp matches next time I play

[loud sky]

BRO U NOT TROLLING

THIS IS CRAZY

my uncharged baterang went from 4 to 12 dmg

[green bay]

I'm never trolling

[loud sky]

I been playing with it

I would only use it against like WW matchups

Matchups that require me to maneuver projectiles like Morty and such

It’s still usable but might as well go pugilist

[granite kiln]

What are some general Batman tips to get better with him?
Also, is BA just an unwinnable MU or am I just bad with the BA MU regardless of what character I play?

[loud sky]

BA matchup is annoying because u can play wonderful and die at 30

I’ve run into this top BA like 3 games in a row

I can win if I combo and get dodge read follow ups repeatedly

But especially at our weight it’s def not the best matchup

[granite kiln]

Yeah his kill power is ridiculous
But is Batman really still the second lightest?

[loud sky]

One thing I’ll say is u can’t really judge if the matchup unless ur playing on flat sky arena or trophies edge

[loud sky]

Yes I think Morty is lightest after

[granite kiln]

How do I make the second hit of uair consistent? Is it just a game bad issue or am I doing something wrong? My opponent always just falls out and I always get punished for it

[green bay]

Rectification 🤓

All the assassin are lighter than Batman + a bunch of mage (I forgot which ones)

But it's a tiny gap compared to Batman vs the heaviest chars

[green bay]

It's a spacing and airdrifting thing, you kind of just have to gte used to it

But even if you're good at landing the 2nd hit mistakes will still happens

[lyric rain]

tbh

sometimes it's just di

so it's not particularly something you can control then your opponent just di-ed correctly

[green bay]

DI could have a role, even tho I strongly suspect that the 1st hit is not super DI impacted

But I can assure you that you have a lot of control over landing it

The 1st hit "drag" the opponent in the direction you go, and it scales on your momentum more or less precisely, it's not something I've tested myself a lot.

which is mostly the reason why the opponent will sometimes drop out of it, if you don't adjust well enough (easier said than done)

[lyric rain]

You mostly do I'm just saying that for certain hurtboxes Di is more significant

notably gizmo and marvin

[green bay]

Could be, I would need to test that to be sure of the extent of this.
But I was mostly responding to the claim "it's not particularly something you can control then your opponent just di-ed correctly" which was misleading

[lyric rain]

oh I just meant in certain situations

which

then why are you even using the up air

use the up special

or side normal

[green bay]

Yea I can see uair being more complicated to connect fully on smaller hurtbox, I have this feeling too

[remote crescent]

up air has more knockback from my experience

[lyric rain]

Yeah but if it can’t connect due to opponent’s DI pattern then just do a move that would work

[green bay]

Still not thinking it's about DI. Even if I can feel like it's less consistent against certain character, I still reliably hit with uair2 (at least in juggle situations, a bit different when it comes to grounded/near-ground uses)

[green bay]

I love that about uair, if I'm not mistaken I think it wasn't a kill move at all during beta

But there is so much sauce killing with it 🥰

[remote crescent]

it does drop for me but very rarely. 95% of the time it works as intended. and most cases it does drop its like touflou says, grounded

[loud sky]

these batman clips ive been getting are so insane

[loud sky]

guys i go against mirrorman game 2💀💀💀💀

pray 4 me

pls im begging yall

nvm ima lock in

[smoky radish]

sending u bad vibes hope the discord ping distracts you if you have it enabled

😈

are ya winning son

[loud sky]

IM FINNA WINN

should i play shaggy against bugs and spam super saiyan

i might have a chance

[smoky radish]

nah go with your comfort pick

[loud sky]

u right im finna put batman on the map

[lament marsh]

Also fun fact, if you also have ignition, the shock will trigger the mark

love it

[lament marsh]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ihEFHf01I8lKibPkAEavEaqZyU-VV9MGeKGZ-PmjeQM/edit?gid=736130214#gid=736130214 Weight list

and other stats as well

[remote crescent]

I BELIEVE

[green bay]

So, yes I knew about that but since ignition is what is and I didn't think it was justified to swap 7% bonus damage for it

BUT

You could technically trigger it multiple time if you keep grappling the opponent

I have to test how much more damages it does that way, hard to predict, but it could maybe make ignition good that way ?

(for batman at least, I know its good for some other chars)

Ok that's sexy

Yea that deserves to be tested in actual match

[loud sky]

Bugs bunny is just as bad as pre patch iron giant

His loops are so stupid

Now I gotta fight number 1 bugs.

I need y’all to drop all matchups knowledge rn

🙏🏾

[lament marsh]

Yup, as long as they are burning from the flame proc, and you keep landing the grapple, you can keep reseting the fire, you just need the shock to start the first one. Basically a game of dodge or take chip damage lol

[granite kiln]

What do I do about a Black Adam man
This guy cuts off half the stage with a bubble and now my batarang is useless

[lament marsh]

Honestly i only know the basic stuff, like armor break moves one shotting his safe and that the safe is also considered a projectile, so we're immune inside the smoke lol

[green bay]

1. Believe in God

[loud sky]

😂😂😂

[green bay]

Honestly against a good Bugs its so tough

[loud sky]

We got two patches and not a single touch to that character

[green bay]

I think they wanted to focus on frustrating stuff for more casual players 1st

I hope the update focusing on balance will do a god job at it

[lament marsh]

Nerf hammer will get him eventually

[green bay]

I'll be available in an hour or so @loud sky, if you are down to play at that point

[green bay]

On large stage its pretty great honestly

Will keep the build sloted

[loud sky]

aight

[hasty lance]

I have found the light, i am a batman main again

https://tenor.com/view/in-the-house-martin-martin-lawernce-biggie-hello-gif-15455137

[loud sky]

🙏🏾🙏🏾

It’s good to find the light

@green bay Batman mirror match is so honest to the point where u almost are out of touch the moment u fight a crazy character😂😂

[green bay]

This is the life we chose

[loud sky]

Dying at 50 to a fully charged shaggy uptilt with no stacks of weakened should be a sin

Steven jus needs to be nerfed to death

I wanna try grapple perk against him

Maybe our only choice

Then I can maybe grapple his pet and get free explosions

🤔

[echo crag]

which sig perk is batman's best

[green bay]

Steven is gonna be tough no matter what. The best is to have him on a small stage and don't let him breath, but on a bigger stage where he has space do do his Steven's sh*t I think I'm just playing Ignition/Static Electricity perks, don't even try to approach and just burn his ass off with grapple until he decides he's had enough.

[loud sky]

Ur right

Ignite dash attack break and electricity

Plus grapple explosion

This is the new toxic Batman build

😂😂😂

[green bay]

Pure toxicity, the fix I needed

[loud sky]

I did 20 sum on one grapple hit

😭😭😭

[green bay]

[loud sky]

My BATERANG COMBOS😂😂

They do too much

[lament marsh]

The Bat Taser tech

[granite kiln]

Does Batmans grapple have any practical use? It seems way too easy to dodge, but at least okay for recovery

[green bay]

Definitely decent as a recovery tool.
As you said it's easy to dodge but at the cost of their dodge meter, so grapple canceling is a great tool to burn their resources from a distance with light risks. And then depending on how they adapt you have several mixups you can use.

[granite kiln]

You can cancel grapple?

[green bay]

It's also pretty great to use when you send them too far horizontally (after fair notably), so you get to extend your advantage situation that way and eventually kill them

[green bay]

By jumping and dodging

[loud sky]

Man I went back to my old main shaggy

Man this character too easy and crazy😭😭

Playing shaggy and black Adam make me wonder why I still play Batman

[hidden python]

For his kill potential. Ah no his uppercuts only kill if max charged. For his combo potential, that can be avoided by DI away. Well idk too

[granite kiln]

For his drip. Ah no BWL is better

[granite kiln]

Shaggy needs to be nerfed so hard now its not even funny

Before he was just a bit overtuned in a couple areas

Now he kills half the cast at 60 and does 30 damage a hit

[indigo egret]

Yeah, need some Batman buffs even if its gadgets only work in 2s. Being a combo machine doesn’t mean much when you get one shot by a random side special.

[lament marsh]

Nah bro, TAS and Samurai are clean af

[granite kiln]

BWL is just better
Samurai is fire though

[loud sky]

It jus feels good to win with a mid character

but im tired of not being able to fight gizmo, steven, and good wonderwomans

its crazy cause shaggy doesnt really have counterplay, the only reason he beats projectile matchups is because he only needs to land one hit to win😂😂

imagine ur counterplay being landing a f'ing jab

[lament marsh]

Yup, playing Shaggy after Batman is like playing on easy mode 🤣

[granite kiln]

Crazy, the character specifically designed for new players to have an easy time using is easy

[lament marsh]

He should be easy to pick up and play, yes

But he's waaay to powerful

[granite kiln]

True

Revert him to his beta state

He was balanced then

A little overtuned in some aspects but

More balanced than now

I'd say revert him to his beta state and then nerf the kill power on his up b and buff his utilt and uair a little bit, then he'll be perfect

I like the rage changes, aside from hangry man being instant

[lament marsh]

That perk is a menace in 2's

by the time people reach me, i already charged lmao

then i can just hold my rage to use whenever i want since for some reason, it lasts for years

[lament marsh]

did his rage lasted for an eternity on beta as well? i don't remember

[granite kiln]

In the beta it lasted forever

For a short patch it lasted 10 seconds

It lasts a while now though

I dont think its infinite, but its long

30 seconds at least

Which is a lot in a game like this

[lament marsh]

Yup

They should make it last less whenever he uses hangry man

it's a fair tradeoff

but still, he still has a lot of power outside that

[granite kiln]

His normals are pretty balanced imo (aside from sair being the most destructive kill move I've ever seen from a normal)

His specials are where the issues are

They all have ridiculous damage and kill power, just nerf those PLEASE Tony 🙏

[green bay]

I'm away for a day and we downplaying Batman like that?

[green bay]

You can't say he's mid what are you doingggggg

He's just not among the 5 characters playing their own game, but other than that Batman is really good

I would like a few changes on the character but not really for balance purposes, more so that he feels more complete

But what I would really love is that they break the ankles of the top 5

[lament marsh]

Best buff we can get

[green bay]

yea really

I wish Joker got his jabs and utilt demolished

I'm so pissed at those moves

That's what make 80% of the character current strength

[loud sky]

bro its impossible to revert him to beta state because of the speed of the game and everyone dying later. if he could string like beta he would be number 1 in the game. u could jab into stomp into nair into jab into upspecial even after all nerfs

thats like saying give batman all his true combos back

[loud sky]

man they never nerfing the top 5 to death, black adam, ww, gizmo, steven, bugs, harley, shaggy, and morty all above him

bro wth is an A tier in this game

its S or nothing

yeah u can stomp in pubs but into this character gets buff ur never beating the highest level of meta

People never understood pfg balancing. In the beta they actively worked to balance every character around the strongest(batman). Due to this they gave every single character in the cast counterplay to baterang. This was amazing because now everyone had a chance against their hardest matchup. In this iteration of the game, the should be doing the same thing with WW. Every character should be patched around WW counterplay and OD projectile spam but no. They gonna leave them alone every patch and touch characters not even sniffing S tier😂

[indigo egret]

Facts, it feels like beating a boss on hard mode. Irritating when you get killed by soothing dumb, but when you perfectly execute that combo… sheesh!

[granite kiln]

I just mean stats wise really

His kill power and damage were way lower in the beta

[loud sky]

He relied on rage to kill that’s better

Now he don’t need rage

Rage is jus icing on the cake

[loud sky]

@green bay @wintry inlet just reaized people in the twitter community really stealing our sauce and taking credit

😂😂😂

Shi crazy

[green bay]

You either consider him A tier and then it's a competitive character or you consider him lower than that.
Tiers have a meaning (should have at least), if you decide to put a character in A you imply he's competitively usable but still outclassed by S tier char. But A tier should never be "nothing compared to", just use tiers below for that !
Personally I think Bat is way luckier than some REALLy low tier char that have nothing to even try winning. Definitely a strong A tier in my book.

[green bay]

I'm all for the community to get better. Knowledge is for everyone !

[granite kiln]

Coming back to this a day later after a revelation

Do you know why he applies weakened with half his kit?

It's so he can kill

Do you know how strong weakened really is?

It is ridiculous

[hidden python]

meanwhile half the cast doesnt have to rely on weak moves to stack weakened and kill, they can just kill you.

[granite kiln]

Name me 5 characters (not even a fifth of the cast) that can kill early without weakened moves

[hidden python]

Bugs ww Harley banana guard black adam

Shaggy uses weakened but has easier ways to apply them and usually those moves kills

[granite kiln]

Harley? Harley isn't killing early unless you're near the blast zone
Black Adams only early kill tool takes time to charge up

Shaggy doesn't need weakened honestly

His kill power is genuinely ridiculous rn

[hidden python]

Finn steven

[granite kiln]

Maybe just because of this game having stupid knockback multiplication, but I was able to kill Harley at 54% with air down b (normal) as Shaggy

[granite kiln]

Finn relies on a 0td (killing you near the blast zone)

[hidden python]

Kinda would disagree on the Harley part she can clearly ladder you to the blast zone

[granite kiln]

It's not true

You CAN dodge it

You just have to dodge properly, which is a bit of a challenge in the current state of the game with dodges sometimes saying "dodged" and then you just spontaneously combust anyways

[hidden python]

In the end even if I'd agree most character does kill around the same percentage as batman (around 100 damage with stacks). They do it way more easily and more consistently than batman does. Batman needs his stacks to kill while with most characters weakened stacks just a bonus. batman NEED to do a whole gymnatics where other characters can just do whatever.

[granite kiln]

Bomb > Air down b > dair > utilt > read the dodge > up b > uair if possible, if not let the bomb go off and it should kill most characters around 100 with or without the stacks

Actually maybe not

Idk if air down b into dair is true at 100

But that bomb is really good

[shadow thicket]

fr

[granite kiln]

I guess the issue is more of Batman's too balanced for a game like this

[hidden python]

And honestly the stacks disappear quite quickly that's why i'm so annoyed batman doesn't stack weakened when his batarang hits direcly because it doesn't refreshes the stacks

[granite kiln]

Genuinely how did the devs even balance him? Was it just the dodge changes?

He was one of the strongest 1s characters in the beta and now he's damn near perfectly balanced

Maybe the speed and dodge changes combined fixed him?

Or maybe it's just the top tiers are so strong and the low tiers are so bad that Batman looks balanced comparatively

[hidden python]

Honestly i just feel bamboozled that his batarang just stacks on the return why if it weaken the opponent on one side why not on the other, but that's just maybe me

[granite kiln]

That's just been the perks function since day 1

It used to be stronger though, 5 stacks instead of 3 I think

I remember Batman mains crying about that nerf in the beta

It was funny

"Batmans actually gutted now!! 😭😭" like the rest of his kit didn't also apply weakened

[hidden python]

Yes but also it used to stacks one weakened when it hit directly

[granite kiln]

Did it?

[hidden python]

It's been a long time but i'm quite sure unless it's a mandela effect but i'm almost certain

[granite kiln]

I don't remember it being like that and I spent a long time fighting Batman mains

[hidden python]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxLwWlcM6_E

0:19

[granite kiln]

Ah

It seems you're right

[shadow thicket]

🫡

[hidden python]

Honestly i'm kindacomplaining like this rn but i feel like it's justified. I'm quite amazed by the fact that some of you are able to have good results with the character but i feel like the results in proplay tournament (at least those so in the early relaunch) proves me right. even in solo's his best mode he doesn't have goo results

superman was more used

[granite kiln]

Right now? Yeah right now he's kinda meh

Against someone of the same skill, Batman will probably lose since chances are, they're playing a top tier (like WW or Bugs)

[hidden python]

Maybe i'm just salty because my character isn't overloaded anymore but i was just tired to feel like i have to do a 100 times more than my opponent to beat him

[granite kiln]

That's how this game has always been

That's how most people felt about Batman in the beta

Honestly it might be worse now

Like WW has the best kill move in the game, it's a good edge guard tool, and it has armor

[hidden python]

Honestly i feel like giving him this back would help him a lot sustain the gameplay P1G want to put him in. he has a lot of attacks that stack weakened but they dont combo into each other really well once your combo is finished, ou have maybe two or three stacks and if you want to stack upo everything, you'd have to do another combo hoping that meanwhile the stacks doesn't ran out

giving him a quick projectile that stacks one weakened would help to avoid the stack ran out

[granite kiln]

I like to throw my batarang away from my opponent off screen and then run past them, if they hit me, the batarang saves me and applies free weakened, if they don't hit me, I get a free combo and the batarang still applies weakened

[hidden python]

his dash attacks only stacks if you hit the second part that doesn't lead into any combo i believe or not that could help you apply more stacks. Up smash doesn't combo well in up air i believe (it is dodgeable), up air doesnt always connect with the socond hit that apply the stack (it's rare but it happens). he's down smash is his best tool to combo and apply weakened but in the end i believe it's hard for batman to maintain his stacks thes moves having relatively small hit box or slow start up

[green bay]

https://i.imgur.com/ZsuceB5.png

VoiD cooked with that tierlist, I strongly agree with most of the placements

I told y'all to stop downplaying Batman lol, the character is so far from being bad

He needs more work than most other characters but it's not an argument justifying him being bad

[granite kiln]

L tier list fr

[shadow thicket]

yall playing in the tourney rn? im going pretty far with batman

[green bay]

I don't, but show them boss

[shadow thicket]

alr know im gonna get faced wit a reality check soon

[umbral sleet]

What do you think it's wrong there?

[granite kiln]

Shaggy's hard carried by kill power so I'd only put him in top tier, no way Batman is better than Bugs and Joker is definitely not better than WW, Velma should be in super top tier just to get her nerfed again because I think it would be funny, and Gizmo is better than Joker

[umbral sleet]

Oh yeah you are actually right, I didn't saw the batman being better than bugs when you start at 60 against him, actually crazy but tbh I don't really believe void that much

Even when he won an official tournament

[green bay]

Tiers are not really ordered (not at all iirc). What matters is the tier itself, character within the same rank are considered in the same power level.

[granite kiln]

WW should have her own tier

Like she literally has no downsides

[green bay]

I think she's perfectly placed

[granite kiln]

Fast, low whiff, good hitboxes, good combos, best kill move in the game, strong edge guards, a pretty decent "projectile"

[green bay]

Joker is even more bonker

imo

[granite kiln]

Jokers jab is stupidly good and his utilt and uair are OP but other than that I don't think he's keeping up with WW

[green bay]

But those 3 are cracked anyway

[granite kiln]

Maybe his 0tds

[umbral sleet]

Nah he still has counterplay and you can pretty much DI his main ladder

He's broken, but ww is even more broken

She's just... wonder woman, I don't even need to explain

She can just rush you braindead mode with armor and if you're character doesn't have a good armor breaker move... good luck with the free combo she has now

[green bay]

Let's agree to disagree. That might sounds haughty but I trust my own view on this subject, and more importantly I trust what the tournament results says. If both match, I have no reason not to be confident about what I claim.

At lower level WW is definitely more a problem than Joker, I can agree on that.

But at higher level I couldn't tell that one is stronger than the other, they're equally dominating alongside Shaggy that's starting to be really present in top 16/top 8

[umbral sleet]

Man I was going to say that the only tournament I saw whe're I didn't see so much ww was the frostiverse

But I just checked and I'm wrong, there's 2 of them

But yeah, 3 jokers, 2 shaggys

And funny enough 1 morty

The big 3 really it's just ww, joker and shaggy

[green bay]

Yes, Morty is starting to show himself. A bit like Batman, it took time because you can't just make the character works out of the box but he's mad strong

Might be even stronger than we currently place him, time will tell

[granite kiln]

Isn't it Iron Giant that's been dominating the comp scene recently? Someone sent me a screenshot of a tournment top 8 and 6 of them were Iron Giant

5*

[green bay]

That was before his nerfs

before he was removed

[granite kiln]

Crazy how even without loops he was busted

[green bay]

He's in a good state now, still pretty strong but way less toxic

[umbral sleet]

Oh yeah at 2's he still are dominating but tbh I don't really care about 2's, I just love 1's

[umbral sleet]

I mean morty was strong but he was bugged, he still is but they removed the major bug of him losing stun gun if he jumps while exploding a grenade, I think he is top 10 but he's the hardest character to play of there (maybe marvin can enter there but I don't know if some people recognize him as a threat)

But yeah, morty is the kind of character rn that if he gets a small buff he can get to S+ tier but I don't think we are going to see that unless they nerf hard all of the other characters

[loud sky]

Damn a Batman jus placed second in frostiverse

I gotta get back in tourneys

[shadow thicket]

yea I saw bro goober was so close to the gold, we'll get it soon

[loud sky]

They always put tournaments on my work days I swear

[full surge]

Best perks for Batman?

I’m guessing 5%, flammable, and pugilist, but which perk 2?

[granite kiln]

I like to use the armor break perk when fighting WW or Superman or someone with ridiculously irritating armor like that
Otherwise I just use speed force since last stand isn't really that needed for Batman tbh

I also prefer bouncerang over 5% because a lot of Batmans kill moves rely on 3 or 4 weakened stacks to really hit hard

[indigo egret]

This is the way. Armor break perk goes crazy when they spam armors moves.

[velvet quail]

Luckily it's super easy to land weakening since it feels like every move gives them a stack.

[loud sky]

Bro I landed the 70 to death in game

Against a Steven

It’s insane

This 70 to death changing the game

Since I had electric baterang it was a 56 to death true

[loud sky]

https://youtu.be/Ab3dVCyPISc?feature=shared

^combo here

[lament marsh]

Clean

[shadow thicket]

Holy W

[loud sky]

I found the WW rework

They should jus not allow her to have shield in 1v1 and rework down special

She has non loop 0 to deaths and normal loops

She’s insane without sheild

She should jus keep down tilt armor and side special

That’s good enough

She would still be insane but full on armor needs to go

At least for 1s

And then add hella whiff to nair

[loud sky]

They should maximum give her just projectile shield in 1s

[full surge]

I don’t think they’d do that. Like you’re saying just straight up remove her grounded side special?

I have thought of a rework for her:

1. Remove the armor on grounded side special
2. Reduce the knockback on sair (mainly nerf the knockback scaling)
3. Let her down special armor actually function like everyone else’s armor and have her take full damage when she gets hit (she’s the only character who takes no damage or knockback if you hit her armor), and also increase the cooldown
4. Massively reduce the knockback on down attack (especially when the gauge is full)
5. Reduce the damage of all hits of her jab
6. Reduce the knockback on aerial side special (it should still be a kill move, but it shouldn’t kill at like 40 off stage)
7. Add more whiff lag to neutral attack, sair, and nair

Wonder Woman is supposed to be a tank, but she has the combo damage and kill power of a bruiser with the utility of a mage (minus the projectiles, but whip is close enough). I feel those changes would tone down her ability to spam safe moves and get high damaging combos on hit with absurd kill power while also reducing the neutral skip armor spam

[loud sky]

No

Side special aight

I’m talking about down special

[green bay]

The main issue for me is that doing anything that gives armor should cost more dodge meter, or at least make the cost different for every moves.
Her downB should cost like at LEAST half the dodge bar if they want to keep it that way.

It's too free for what that is, it should be way more punitive

And reworking the framedata overall because it makes no sense for a lot of characters, WW included

[full surge]

I’d think that’s fair. Superman consumes one dodge’s worth of meter every time he uses armor

And since a lot of his commonly used attacks do have armor, he gets put into burnout pretty easily

[fringe estuary]

Hi all! Looking to pick batman up as a secondary. Does anyone have some tips or helpful videos for learning?

[minor cedar]

What perks should I use on Batman? And how should I play neutral? I used to main him and Bugs in the beta but I kinda just forgot how to play him nowadays.

[green bay]

exactly !

[green bay]

I know NAKAT did a guide covering the basics of Batman, it's a few weeks old but it should still hold since he's mostly covering fundamentals

[green bay]

You should get a lot out of Bouncerang most of the time, against your average casual queue player. Against more experienced players I'm still defending the value of the +5% perk over Bouncerang but apparently I'm in the minority. Both are usable anyway, just avoid the grapple perk at least in 1s

[loud sky]

I’m starting to see what u mean by 5 percent perk

Baterang in neutral ain’t the greatest on return rn

[fringe estuary]

Yea I watched it, might need to rewatch after playing Batman to get a better idea now haha thank you

[granite kiln]

Nah you gotta throw it off screen away from your opponent and then rush them down

[loud sky]

Bro ik

I still use it

And know how to use it to its maximum effectiveness for now

It shines in mirror match mostly ngl

But sometimes when u play against really good players they don’t really get hit by it on return and ur actually sabotaging urself hoping it’s gonna save u

And it ends up not always being the best trade

Still works but I’m realizing it’s not the best in every matchup

[granite kiln]

You seem to really struggle playing Batman for a so-called #1 Batman

Batman is busted fr

[green bay]

man who even are you 😂 😂 😂

@loud sky https://youtu.be/IepUizzTUMQ?si=lS4DhwNSsQmr90ud ? 😂

[granite kiln]

Ain't my fault he sucks with Batman 🤷‍♂️

[green bay]

You never talked like someone who knows what he's talking about 🤷‍♂️

If you want to start being rude we can be rude

[granite kiln]

Just saying, Batman isn't mid tier like he says 🤷‍♂️

Top of A at very worst really

[green bay]

It was not even the topic ?

[granite kiln]

Everything he says is just about how garbage Batman is

It's always the topic

[green bay]

I don't see the issue about mentioning batarang being a less efficient tool against higher level players, that's a reasonable claim I support too while still considering Batman a strong character

And I know kuro doesn't think the same, but that doesn't mean we can't discuss individual aspect of the character and criticizing some of them

That also doesn't mean you should disrespect him or anyone else in here

That's not ok

[granite kiln]

Get this guy the moderator role

[green bay]

badly worded, it's not even about saying batarang is less efficient cause it's still mad good against anyone, you just can't rely on hitting bouncerang as much (at all)

[lament marsh]

True, 5% is the safe bet

i see what u mean

I've played a bit with it, it's not bad IMO

i also run snowball effect and pugilist alongside it to bring even more % dmg amp

pugilist is like 8%, right?

i wish we had these numbers on the game

[lament marsh]

assuming this is right, we get 20% damage amp total in most of our attacks, it's not bad at all lol

Also, speaking of percentages, does anyone know the numbers on the Weakened debuff?

I wish the wiki had this info, but all it says is "Weakened: Incur greater KNOCKBACK and DAMAGE when hit. Effect can be STACKED."

[granite kiln]

I really don't see how so many people think 5% is allat

[lament marsh]

Is a lot when people are aware of your bouncerang shenanigans

So it's basically 5% or 0% lmao

[green bay]

Yea pugilist is around +8% bonus, so stacking with the rest we do get +20% damages which is quite a lot (and let's not forget the +5% defense adding to that, doesn't looks huge but can make the difference between dying or surviving ! With Batman we take those).
I never really tested the bonus KB/damages of weakened, certainly something I should do.

[granite kiln]

The bonuses of weakened are actually ridiculous

3 stacks of weakened can choose between whether or not an attack will actually just melt your skin off

[green bay]

Yes, it's strong

I guess we all know that by now lol but it's always useful to have precise numbers

[lament marsh]

I would appreciate that. Since it's our main debuff, that information is super valuable

It's crazy that they don't give us the numbers in game already

[green bay]

Yea I agree, it's not even on the wiki or anything

[loud sky]

Batman is high A-tier

He honestly jus needs smoke fixed and I won’t complain

[granite kiln]

Whats wrong with smoke?

[loud sky]

I don’t get my stacks of weakened when I hit people in it consistently

And reindog phases right through and hits me

[granite kiln]

I think you need to be in the middle to get the invisibility buff

[loud sky]

I did jab1,2 baterang into jab12, upspecial all in smoke for a whopping 0 stacks of weakend

[green bay]

Yea so weakened gives +5% damages per stack, simply.
It seems to roughly translate the same for KB, I didn't test it thoroughly cause it's not easy to do (thanks MVS training mode) and I was too lazy tonight, but from the few tests at 2/3/4 stacks it does seems to also be ~+5% KB per stacks

[green bay]

Smoke act really weird but only online, I think the netcode is doing something wrong regarding the invisibility state

Offline it's really consistent

But yea offline if I'm in a smoke, I'm always showed as invisible no matter what and apply weakened just fine but online, sometime the game don't blacken you and I'm pretty sure you're still invisible to the enemy but locally the game don't consider you invisible and thus doesn't trigger Batman passive

it's really weird

[loud sky]

found new routes with slide cancel

ive been able to go 0-60ish true

theres an easier route with no slide cancel that does 57

[granite kiln]

@loud sky 🔥

[loud sky]

Lagging harddd

[granite kiln]

Townsville might be the worst map of all time

[loud sky]

lol

Ggs

[granite kiln]

GGs

Shaggy is so painful to play rn it's not even funny relying on one jab combo is just not enjoyable
Bring back dair > nair 🗣️

[loud sky]

Nah gang u just got to get better at his neutral(aka camping whiff punish)

[granite kiln]

Yeah but that's no fun

[loud sky]

WALL COMBOS MAKE SUPERMAN BUSTED WTH

he has the stupidest wall routes

I jus got true 0 to death wombo combo on baggage

Batcave*

[empty wren]

https://twitter.com/GidyTheGreat/status/1805477682508902857

[loud sky]

Saucy route lol

[empty wren]

ty ty

[velvet quail]

I do. Sounds like skill issue

[granite kiln]

Batmans advantage state is so disgusting

[lament marsh]

Valuable info, ty

[woeful viper]

Is Taz invincible when in taznado and dogpile?

[echo crag]

no to taznado unsure about dogpile

[green bay]

He's not

But it's not like you can contest it anyway, so you have to respect it

Talking about dogpile specifically. You can counter tornado reliably with batarang, not so much with other move that will often time trade or straight up lose

You can also parry the tornado for a big punish if you have your parry game on point

Just know that a good Taz will mixup his approach with it to mess up your parry timing if he sees you're sharp

[umbral sleet]

Grapple doesn't have any sense

It feels like old gem finn

[granite kiln]

If only it were that good

[umbral sleet]

Obvs is not that good but for so many character it feels like batman can basically grapple and you can't do nothing

and it's so inconsistent and the same time that if you want to parry sometimes you waste your dodge meter and batman get's stuck on the stage lol

[granite kiln]

You can dodge the very predictable grapple, unless he cancels it which is always funny

[loud sky]

lol goober funny told him shaggy is not a winning matchup

now he got 3-1 by tamunokuro

😂

[granite kiln]

Wow he lost to the best Shaggy since the beta? A guy who honestly I don't even think showers atp this mf streams for 3 days at a time (he's still fire though)

[tardy gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/multiversus-multiversus-batman-batman-multiversus-batman-multiversus-batman-gameplay-gif-26375537

lmao I remember this

[lament marsh]

That bug was wild lol

Using the grapple in combat was the same thing as playing russian roulette in the middle of the fight

[tardy gyro]

yes lolll

I actually raged a few times cause i kept losing to it and it brought my rank down a lot

[granite kiln]

Does Batman not have kill moves? I hit an up special around where the batmobiles in batcave are on Garnet at 130% and it didn't kill her or his up b just bad

[green bay]

Beside Iron Giant, she's among the heaviest characters in the game. The batmobiles aren't that close to the blastzone at all, so I'm not surprise that she survived with good DI

[granite kiln]

She did NOT have good DI

She just ate the up b

[green bay]

She survived. She Di'd well

[granite kiln]

She didnt DI dawg I was NOT meant to be matched with this player

[green bay]

You can consider it not bein on purpose if that make you feel better, but if she survived that she most probably Di'd good enough

You act like you CANT have a good DI if you're not good when anyone can just have a perfect one by mistake lol

especially when the DI to have is just away

[full surge]

If your up special was stale and you didn’t have any weaken stacks, I’m not surprised it didn’t kill

[granite kiln]

It certainly was not stale
That was my first usage in at least 7 attacks

[full surge]

I’m pretty sure they’ve also nerfed its kill power from beta

[granite kiln]

Yeah I would think if my attacks are noticeably not killing when I feel anyone else would've (exceot Reindog, for whatever reason) I think he might have been nerfed

[green bay]

@granite kiln I guess you're talking about air upb since you mentionned doing it at batmobiles level right ?

[granite kiln]

Yeah

It seems to just never kill reliably for me

Unless they're already edging death at the top of the blast zone

Or have 3+ weakened

[green bay]

Jason, who is heavier than Garnet by a very slight amount, die from grounded, non-charged upb on this same map at 147-148% with perfect DI

You can't ask for aerial upb to do the same lol

I mean, do better even

[granite kiln]

Why is the aerial one so much weaker?

[green bay]

It's a very fast option, it comes out in 9 or 10 frames don't remember exactly, it's among the fastest move in the game

faster than any jab

It does kill and I often kill mad early with it, but it's clearly designed to kill by catching them in disadvantage, when they are pretty high

You can't expect to kill with it so low in the air

(until way higher %)

[granite kiln]

I would really think by 130% I'd be able to kill someone tbh

[green bay]

Be happy we have this upb, you're complaining about a cracked move. You would have killed with upair

(maybe most certainly)

upair kill way earlier

but it's not as easy to land obviously

[full surge]

Yeah I actually like the balance better

In the beta, up b killed earlier, was faster, and had a bigger hitbox than uair

Now up b is faster with a bigger hitbox, but uair kills earlier which is worth the trade off

[coral girder]

best batman perks?

[granite kiln]

Does Batman have any way to beat Morty? That busted ass earth attack comes out instantly and approaching from the air gives me so few combo routes

[dusk kernel]

Is this true?
#clips message

[empty wren]

https://twitter.com/GidyTheGreat/status/1806176527861653806

[empty wren]

dsmash grapple isnt, the sequences after and before hook are

You can't true reel in and get the hit off it

But the grapple itself is true yea

Dn

Dm

Ain't no way that was true

your honor it's all true

[green bay]

As it's something I already tested, I can attest it's true BUT I'm pretty sure the grapple hit is DIable in a way that prevent upb from being true

It's been quite some time I didn't look into it so I'll not make any hard claims but I'm pretty sure that even at these kind of % you can make upb not true

Still a DI mixup

iirc I used to think it was true because of training bot being inconsistent with DIs when in combos

Yes, I get kill confirm after grapple a lot too

like, the way Lebron drift after batbomb hit

pretty sure my man was holding in with all his heart lol

I looked at both dw

I could be wrong, again no hard claims. I could test it manually in a local game

[green bay]

All good, looks completely true. I can't remember the reason at the time why I thought the grapple route wasn't.

[green bay]

Against Lebron it's hard to see but there is a world where you applied 5 weakened stack with the combo alone

Normally the grapple hit should have applied 2 stacks since you re-entered the smoke, making it a total of 5 lol

that's crazy

[granite kiln]

Is Morty's earth attack actually faster than Batmans jab? I was standing next to him, pressed my side attack, but got hit by that earth attack before it came out and lost the whole stock for it

[loud sky]

i 1v1 my friend whos a good morty all the time, u have to air camp/platform camp to stay away from rock and get the most out of every hit, sometimes if their indesicive u can slide before they rock, but most ur hits are down air special and dair since mort struggles to cover his diagonal. make sure u try to gimp every edge guard too lol

morty kills batman early but batman also kills morty very early

[granite kiln]

What are Batmans best edge guarding tools?

[loud sky]

air down special, baterang(with proper control), slide(can be punished if thrown out dumb), and Dair

also dtilt

dtilt is less commitment

since u should do it further from the ledge because of its reach

u can whiff dtilt on edge guard on purpose and throw out another move with proper spacing

[tight forge]

I'm loving Batman, and i get Emotional when I hear kevin's voice while playing with him

[coral girder]

best batman perks?

[tight forge]

I think one is the batarang one

I Love using the batatang

[granite kiln]

Bouncerang, snowball/flammable your choice, speed force for general use or 2fast2block against superman/ww, and pugilist

[umbral sleet]

Istg that batman players has the worst di
Like how can you die faster than a bugs? you are more heavy lol

I don't see any batman live for more than 70%+

[granite kiln]

Don't you play Shaggy or something?

[umbral sleet]

Morty, and still, batman is more heavy than him (as an assasin when morty it's a bruiser for some reason)

[granite kiln]

Morty has more kill power than Batman unless Batman lands a fully charged up b or has 5 stacks of weakened I'm pretty sure

[lament marsh]

Both are bruisers

[umbral sleet]

Nah but not only on that matchup, I feel like batman players die way to early

[umbral sleet]

Wasn't batman an assasin on the beta? I remember something like that I didn't even know they changed it

[granite kiln]

He was, they changed it because he didn't fit as an assassin

[umbral sleet]

That's weird, I really don't find him as a bruiser

But I mean, joker mague? morty bruiser? this game is hella weird

[granite kiln]

How tf do you find him as an assassin?

He fits perfectly with bruiser

Most of his attacks are melees

[umbral sleet]

I don't think he needs a sword or anything more to be an assasin tbh, It's more about the kit

Like he doesn't have anything defensive in any way

he is full 100% full dmg and rush

[lament marsh]

Smoke

[granite kiln]

Smoke is a defensive and offensive tool at the same time
He can apply 2 stacks of weakened while in it and is immune to projectiles

[lament marsh]

But clearly the real reason why he's not an assassin is because Batman doesn't kill

[umbral sleet]

Oh yeah I forgot that cuz most of the time I don't see it working lol

[lament marsh]

lol

[green bay]

Amen

[umbral sleet]

But i don't know, I really like seeing batman as an assasin, however the original batman it's 100% a bruiser

[green bay]

As far as I can remember, Batman has always been considered a Bruiser ingame. The only mention of him being an assassin was in an old trailer or something ? But that never made it to an actual playable version where he has always been a bruiser

(or my memory is faulty af)

[granite kiln]

Faulty memory

He used to be an assassin

[green bay]

I think it was to prevent him from having the damage malus assassin used to have during beta

[granite kiln]

I remember having a conversation about reclassifying him as a bruiser because he doesn't fit in as an assassin

The other assassins used weapons and had high kill power

Batman was fast but he didn't use weapons and his kill power was a bit lower than the other assassins

Still dominated the 1s scene, not sure why he's not too different the way he is now and he's no where near as oppressive

[green bay]

I'll trust myself on this, I'm pretty sure I played the earliest we could play MVS and he was already a bruiser

If you can find me a proof of this being wrong I'll gladly change my mind

[granite kiln]

Trust yourself and be wrong or trust the guy who claims he's right and be right, the choice is yours

[green bay]

I'll trust myself

[granite kiln]

https://x.com/BenandBeetle/status/1476985087422083074 He was meant to be a bruiser but the beta classed him as an assassin

[umbral sleet]

Yeah I was not crazy, thx for showing me that

[green bay]

But this aint from the beta

[granite kiln]

Tomato tomato

[green bay]

Man, look at the date

That's what I said, I know he was showed as an assassin earlier

But from beta where we could play, he was always a bruiser

Or, y'all were VIP who played a super early version

lol

[granite kiln]

Maybe it was about him having the weight of an assassin then

[green bay]

You were man, no one of us ever played Batman as an Assassin, that was never true

[granite kiln]

Wow seeing screenshots of the beta and seeing how much nicer everything looked really sucks

Thank you PFG for ruining a good game by trying to rip off Fortnites UI 🙏

[green bay]

But, it has always been debated that Batman was more an Assassin than a Bruiser

That, yes

[granite kiln]

I don't see how people think he's an assassin

It doesn't fit

[green bay]

It does to me

[granite kiln]

I mean he's fast sure but he doesn't do what the other assassins do

[green bay]

It make sense to me, but he 's kind of hybrid tbf

I think that's the reason so many people debated this

The archetype system is trash anyway, a lot of characters are too diversed/nuanced to be classified in one of the current archetype

[granite kiln]

It's only purpose is to force people to buy new characters for daily/weekly missions

[green bay]

Joker being classified as Mage/Ranged when he's the biggest close quarter threat of this game WITH the best dodge distance lol

[granite kiln]

Marvin is one of the most magelike mages and his ass is an assassin

[granite kiln]

He's a mage because he has like 7 attacks which are TECHNICALLY classified as projectiles which TECHNICALLY means he can cast a spell which TECHNICALLY makes him a mage

He plays like an assassin though

[umbral sleet]

Just checked, he was an assasin on beta and then he later got changed to a bruiser

I was crazy and I was not crazy at the same time

[green bay]

Yea I get why they went toward that direction but yea, it's funny

[green bay]

I really don't think so, can you give me a link ?

I hate being that guy, but it's just I'm SO confident about Batman always being a bruiser during beta

[umbral sleet]

Just checked a post from Nov 18, 2021 about all the characters, he was an assasin

it was before lebron was in the game

[green bay]

So not beta, as I said

[green bay]

I mean yea, he was release during BETA in summer 2022

[umbral sleet]

Doesn't that counts as a beta too?

[green bay]

I mean, no. The game was never playable before then lol

I just checked 3 different stream archive from the day 1 of beta

Batman was a bruiser, let's end the story there please

No one of us actually played a version of Batman that was an assassin

[umbral sleet]

Ok I guess? lol

[granite kiln]

Could charging up b off stage have any use in a real match? I don't think it would since you fall pretty far down when it fully charges

[empty wren]

@tepid mulch is the insta grappling hook a meme or is it actually good

[green bay]

Explain what you mean by offstage charging upb

[green bay]

Grappling after like dtilt ?

Or did I miss a new tech on Batman ?

[granite kiln]

https://medal.tv/games/multiversus/clips/i9OvXEXQD4o6uP2Ba/d1337uEs3BXY?invite=cr-MSxuTzQsOTc0MjQ2MzUs

Timing is tight so its a bit tough to execute

[empty wren]

The side b that is insta reel but no dmg otw there

[lament marsh]

You mean the signature perk?

[green bay]

Oh you're actually talking about the perk. Pretty sure you should never use it in 1s, especially since the faster reel doesn't apply when you hit the opponent with it. I labbed so much with it but it's just... not good (again, in 1s)

It doesn't open anything new, nothing. It makes the grapple better as a recovery tool, there is that

[green bay]

Oh I tried replicating that thing from beta but couldn't, gj. Timing seems tight tho.
Did you manage to do it only with upb ?

[granite kiln]

I didn't try a ton with other attacks so far only up b worked
I tried a little with utilt and dtilt but couldn't get it to work, it's probably possible though

[green bay]

Because I tried doing that, but never with upb. I tried with utilt and dtilt, and never was able to do it once

Like to prevent dtilt/utilt from working, they completely cancel the attack even before being active, so that it doesn't displace the character offstage

Maybe upb is different on that regard

As for utility, its maybe not that interesting with upb but I could see niche uses for dtilt

I tried with slide too ! But again, attack get canceled entierly everytime

[granite kiln]

I only found out about it because I did it on accident while trying to catch someone who should've been dead

I'll try it with dtilt and utilt at some point

Maybe slide too, I think I've seen clips of Morty using his dash off stage

[loud sky]

Who has invite link to batcord?

Dm me

[granite kiln]

Yeah they did something to make it so you can't use any of those attacks off stage

[shadow thicket]

yall know who frenzi is?

[loud sky]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPREUHo9S/

This man Goober keep arguing saying we win the matchup

Bro y’all need to look at this

[lament marsh]

They nerfed Airwalker to a single activation to avoid these kills, but Shaggy only needs one anyway lmao

Do we even have any true combos with that?

[granite kiln]

They didn't nerf airwalker enough

They need to remove it

And bring back triple jump

Actually just give us back the old perk system and gold instead of fc and pc

Prestige can stay, I like prestige prestige is cool

The other ones stink and should be JFKd

[lament marsh]

Honestly, i kinda agree, i don't even know what they can do to it at this point

even if you made it consume your entire dodge bar, does it really matter when it allows you to just get a stock for free?

by the time the enemy respawn, the bar is already filled

[lament marsh]

I loved the old perk system, you had a lot more agency with it. Not only had more options to choose but also it didn't had that perk class thing, you could slot whatever you wanted, it was awesome

[lament marsh]

I wonder if they will add some old perks from beta or just make new ones from scratch

I would love to see Tasmanian Trigonometry again

[green bay]

Yea I always had a bad feeling about airwalker, I just don't like that such a perk is in the game even tho it's pretty cool

The old perk system was definitely more fun but at the same time it was a mess and a nightmare balanced wise. I like the direction they went with a more limited pool and 3 different categories, but right now this new system feels like a bad early access man (the whole game in the current state feels like early access really)

And triple jump should never return for any reason, and it won't anyway. It's disturbing the meta way too much, it's like signature perk level of strong.

[green bay]

I loved that perk 😄

[tardy gyro]

yes I as well

If anyone got it dm me pretty pls

[green bay]

@tepid mulch @tardy gyro @loud sky
There is no Batman Discord. There was one but it was salvaged into a more general MVS Discord, and added to that he's totally inactive.
Also there is character channels in the MultiVersus Pro server that are less active than the ones in here (the Batman one is dead)

All that to say, right now this channel here is the most active community of Batman players lol

[tardy gyro]

lmao

oh well

[shadow thicket]

😔

[low mural]

why are people asking for batman nerfs when he needs slight buffs lmao

[full surge]

Nah Batman is in the perfect spot imo

If anything, the top tiers should be nerfed to about his level and the low tiers should be buffed to about his level

He’s the perfect level of good but not broken

[green bay]

While true, I wouldn't say he doesn't need adjustments

I do think the divekick need a slight nerf

[full surge]

It’s very strangely disjoint for what looks like a non-disjointed move

[green bay]

That thing is a sword lol

To me they should either reduce and/or displace the hitbox by a bit, or delay the cancel window

[full surge]

Just toning back the hitbox enough would be fine I guess

[green bay]

I would like a couple more active frames on slide

[full surge]

I’m kinda surprised they went for a killing dash attack than a combo one

Considering Batman is supposed to be a fast combo character

[green bay]

It's both really, thanks to the 2-hit thing

This move is so versatile

[full surge]

He has combos out of it?

[green bay]

Can combo start, can lead to batbomb, kill by the top, kill by the side

[full surge]

Oh I meant as a combo starter/extender

[green bay]

He can cancel the 1st hit so yes

[full surge]

Doing something like jab 1,2 batterang into dash attack and getting more follow ups

Oh he can?

I’ve never tried to tbh

[green bay]

Basic follow up is slide > jump cancel dair > upair

[full surge]

I’m guessing that works at mid percents?

[green bay]

you can also slide > batbomb into another slide or jab to plant the bomb and followup on the combo

[green bay]

Any percent since the 1st hit of slide has a set knockback

[full surge]

I meant for dair -> uair to be true

[green bay]

ah yes

at higher % you can dodge jump upb/upair

can lead to kill

[full surge]

I’m imagining you can get something like:
Jab 1,2 -> batterang -> dair -> sair -> dash attack 1 -> dair -> up b

If you have enough stage

And if you have batbomb, then you probably get a different extension

[green bay]

jab 2 into batarang is really wonky when you combo start with it

by that I mean I'm fairly sure it's not even true on DI away

[full surge]

Is it? I haven’t played Batman too much, but I know it was consistent in the beta

[green bay]

it's weirdly more consistent in a combo after like slide > dodge cancel > jab etc...

[full surge]

I imagine it probably has to do with stale jab

A lot of characters lose certain jab confirms if their jab is stale

[green bay]

coud be, never thought of that

[full surge]

At least at low percents

Before v1.04, Shaggy could get jab 1,2 -> dair but it only worked if jab was fresh

If you used jab even once within the last 7 moves, jab 1,2 -> dair wasn’t true

I imagine it’s a similar case for Batman because he uses jab a lot because it’s good

And I say before v1.04 because Shaggy can’t jump cancel jab anymore

[green bay]

Didn't precised but jab 1 > batarang is doable

so you can just do that instead lol

[full surge]

Alright

I remember in the beta that jab 2 had enough hitstun to combo into dair lmao

So Batman in beta could do jab 1,2 -> dair -> sair -> dodge jab 1,2 -> batterang -> dair -> up b

His combo game in beta was disgusting

[green bay]

I guess there was a reason everyone hated Batman 😅

[full surge]

Oh yeah he was like definitive top 3 in 1v1

It was him, Jake, and Harley

But they nerfed Batman’s kill power pretty drastically and nerfed the control of batterang along with nerfing the perk that gives max weaken to instead only give 3 weaken

So now Batman still has a good combo game, but he can’t really kill too easily without weaken stacks

In beta, Batman aerial up b was stronger, faster, and larger than uair making uair useless

Now, uair is much stronger since aerial up b kill power was nerfed

Giving a reason to use it

[green bay]

Yea I like how they changed upair, its one of my favorite move now

Overall I like playing this Batman so much more, I left beta pretty early because the game was way too wild for me

[full surge]

Yeah like don’t get me wrong. The game was fun when it was insanely fast. But it was so unbalanced and disadvantage didn’t exist

You just kinda had to guess where your opponent would be

I think the game could be a little faster (maybe like 20-25% faster) or at least buff the speed of characters like Jason who desperately need it

[loud sky]

if they dont add ranked this patch

this game might lose me

[tardy gyro]

Honestly they should add ranked this patch

theres no way they dont

Im tired of just playing for no reason

even without ranked they should have kept the character rankings and leaderboards so we had something to play for

fighting for a top spot back in the beta was crazy fun

[green bay]

I'm sure they know how badly people want ranked, and I'm sure in a perfect world they would have love for it to be ready for release.
But the fact they didn't teased it in any way make me feel like it's not gonna be for this patch, my guess is that we'll have to wait until next season

I can only hope I'm wrong 🙏

On another note, are some people comfortable with Discord and the creation of a community server ? I started creating a proper Batman Discord but I'm not he best at that and mostly I'm not willing to manage it, not alone at least.
So if anyone want to be part of it and help me, slide in my DMs

[tardy gyro]

wait so what time exactly does the mid season patch drop

[loud sky]

hes good but dont gas him fr

[green bay]

It's time to light up kuro

we all were in disbelief when the game released but it's now time to see the truth

Batman is a beast

[shadow thicket]

gotta agree wit him, now when this patch comes he'll really be a beast undisputed #1

[granite kiln]

I wouldn't say one of the best tbh

Maybe top 10

Unless you consider that to be the best, but that's a pretty low bar considering we don't even have a full 30 characters in the roster

WW, Bugs, Finn, Morty, Joker, Shaggy, BA, Steven, IG, and maybe even Taz if you wanna say his loop and absolute priority on tornado are THAT strong are all better than Batman

And in 2s, what the game is balanced around? Batmans a mid tier at best

[green bay]

We'll see what they plan to change I guess, they will surely buff plenty of characters !

[granite kiln]

PFG has the kinda balance team that'll buff the Joker and nerf Velma

[green bay]

I hold them with higher regard than that

[granite kiln]

After they went a full month and the most they did to Joker was 5 whiff frames on his side b? I don't

[green bay]

Like they said, they plan to do a big balance patch every mid-seasons

It's good practice from a competitive standpoint

[granite kiln]

I mean they could at least balance before then
That side b chains into itself 3 times and on some maps just flat out guarantees a kill

[green bay]

You really like to make stuff up

But anyway, a patch is coming to balance things out you should be happy

[granite kiln]

I'm really not making it up

There are a few clips of him doing it, I think I've seen some straight from tournaments

I've managed to do it a few times

I've had it done to me a few times

[hollow furnace]

I love baiting people with Batman's wing flight right before the spike.

[granite kiln]

Idk how people spike with Batman, that dair has crazy startup and everyone I fight has a near instant uair (Bugs that damn bastard)

[hollow furnace]

To connect with his spike you have to be slightly above the opponent.

[green bay]

I've never had a Joker do that to me or seen a Joker do that in tournament

and since you have a habit of twisting the reality, I'm not gonna just believe you. Show the clip.

[green bay]

Float is goated

[granite kiln]

I ain't digging a whole ass month back to find you a clip of Joker hitting his 9th separate 0td combo 😭🙏

Side b chains into side b if input buffered, so you can drag them on the ground (1) and then upwards (2 and 3)

[green bay]

Started creating a community Discord for Batman mains, it's really a start but at least the foundations are there.
Can't share the link here so send me a DM if you want to get invited 👍

Also, looking for people to help me manage it

[granite kiln]

You could link it if you dropped the part that matters (the part after ".gg/")
Anyone that wants to join can just copy paste it

[low mural]

send me a video of you fighting ww, harley, ig, bugs, and black adam or even joker or finn

cause in comparison to those hes not

[green bay]

We can do that ?

Then if you want to join the Discord guys, here it is:

b7ZmSVuh6N

Not the full link cause again, we can't, but apparently it works if you just type that

If that doesn't works you can just DM me or even ping me here so I can manually invite you
(already sent some invites to those that I already think might be interested)

[loud sky]

if being a beast is top 10 then yeah

send 0 to death of slide😂😂

batman is really good we know that, but the busted chars are really busted thats all

all chars better than batman: WW, gizmo, shaggy, joker, black adam, morty, finn(suprisingly has become insane)

his position isn't bad tho

[green bay]

Except for WW Shaggy and Joker that are clear top tiers, the others are at least on par with Batman

Finn could be above, to me this character is a potential hidden top tier lol

[loud sky]

yes bro

sometimes u just 0 to death every stock

not even funny

his sword reach still OD

airwalker making every character have stupid stuff

at this point bring back old perk system

I GOT SHARK HAT BATMANNNNNNN

LES GOOOOOO

[vale forge]

I got an very crazy batman video for yall

Guys see this

https://youtu.be/HtlOlUn6Dnk?feature=shared

Bro that combos are☠️

I a lil bit new in batman

But bro that dash attack into dive kick its wild

Ik

Bc of di

😦

[loud sky]

u can slide into dair and slide into jab consistent

[vale forge]

Yea its hard to hit

Bro did you saw the video?

[loud sky]

where?

[vale forge]

Let me see

Yo what

Bro thats so wild

[loud sky]

grapple not true

[vale forge]

Bro

Pls teach me

[loud sky]

i seen it before on twitter

[vale forge]

I khow you can cancel Da into bomv

Bomb

But tbh i dont hsve that consistent combo on batman

[loud sky]

ok

ima try it

[vale forge]

Bro

Does it covers di?

Wow do you have other combos?

Teach us lord sakutaze

🙏

But you dont have more combos?

I only do the da into dive kick

To confirm

But its smth not that good to confirm

Dash attack

Into dive kick

Down air its dair

[green bay]

Nah it's true buddy. If it ain't then it requires some twisted DI to get out

[vale forge]

But if you hit it you do like insane dmg

After dive kick you can follow into an dair

Then an jab string

To up special

Bc of Di

[green bay]

Be careful with that, it's true only on tall enough characters. And even if that works, you honestly have better routes

[vale forge]

Ik bc if you di you could miss it

And then get heavy punish

I just want an solid batman combos

Like 0 to deaths

[loud sky]

its not true

[full surge]

Half of Batman’s kit combos into itself

[vale forge]

Tbh batman its like arya and iron giant, bro got an insane zero to death

[full surge]

He has good combos

[loud sky]

bro the batbomb doesnt even go off before the grapple

watch the vid again

[vale forge]

Ik

[loud sky]

u could dodge grapple and then just take the bomb

[vale forge]

But his pretty good

[vale forge]

Are you the real top 1?

[loud sky]

no

idk who top 1

[vale forge]

XD

[loud sky]

im pretty high tho

[vale forge]

How

But you cant dodge the grapple?

[loud sky]

whats ur ign

[vale forge]

Mmmm

[loud sky]

i wanna try to dodge it

[vale forge]

It could be true tbh

[loud sky]

i mean the combo easy asl

training mode jus deceptive to me

also i thought saiki plays joker

yep lol

[green bay]

After all this time you still don't trust me on these matters 😅

[vale forge]

Tbh if saiki do this combo it should be true

[loud sky]

WAIT

lmaoo

i jus did something od with it

[vale forge]

What?

[loud sky]

yeah the route true or whatever but that means that all the previous batbomb routes i already have at higher percent are jus stupider

[vale forge]

Xd bro got you

[loud sky]

no ik

when i say stupid i mean crazy

[vale forge]

I think i should use after DA bomb cancel bc dive kick its just non consistent

[loud sky]

u can dash bomb cancel into dash dive kick

thats the most consistent way to land divekick

from my labbing

it was jab12 dtilt into slide bomb cancel slide divekick sair upspecial

i gave up on this combo tho

[vale forge]

Down tilt into slide its not consistent

I try it

If you di that dont hit

But the combo its really nice

[loud sky]

OMG

[vale forge]

?

[loud sky]

mb i jus shii on a shaggy 3 stock

it was beautiful

[loud sky]

u have to dash cancel slide

[vale forge]

I 3 stock an joker

[loud sky]

not the easiest

[vale forge]

Oh

[vale forge]

Dash cancel into slide its not that hard

Thx btw

Il try it

I just want to khow one final thing

The batman bad matchups

I alr learn to combo

And gameplan

Idk about matchups

[loud sky]

bro geniunely u jus have to play alot

[vale forge]

Maybe vs finn its an bad one

[loud sky]

WW requires slide armor break

[vale forge]

Ik

I hate WW

I got the da shield break perl

Perk

[loud sky]

morty requires u to air camp and try to switch up slide approach before u get hit wth rock

steven is geniunely impossible

unless the steven sucks

shaggy is 😂😂 two jabs and ur dead or 1 jab if they use airwalker

avoid jab and my new approach against them is divekick sair approach

[vale forge]

You khow whst i hate to much

WW

Eliminate that of the game

[loud sky]

the only ww u can beat are the onees who dont know how to spam aerials to avoid slide

[loud sky]

these new finn combos they been doing are OD

[vale forge]

Bro

Can you tell me an jab combo with batman

I need an explication on advanced batman combos

[slate harness]

Yeah I think he's pretty well designed this time around

In beta his strengths very much outweighed his weaknesses but now he seems a lot more fair while still being pretty strong

[velvet quail]

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills but. Has anyone else noticed that the Batcave stage doesn't play the matchpoint theme when it reaches match point?

Feels the same way with alot of the other stages too like Cromulons.

[granite kiln]

Is Batmans second sair ever worth using? It actually just always whiffs for me

[low mural]

plz show me a video between batman vs a even skilled ww, ig, bugs, harley, or banana guard

he does match up well with almost half the roster.

in air half the roster is faster, on ground side by side half the roster is faster

[granite kiln]

I like how Batman kills at the top of the map the best and Iron Giant has an attack that out prioritizes all of Batmans attacks, heads straight down, and at lower percents I'm pretty sure can also just give him a free kill off the top!

[low mural]

you talking about igs air down special?

[granite kiln]

Yeah

Actually an irritating attack

If only I could idk

Parry on reaction

Or something

If only there wasn't a visible input delay

[low mural]

yup

ww has more prio than batman same with BG, HQ, WW, Finn, Bugs

i just dont get why people are begging for batman nerfs.

[granite kiln]

I think Batman is in a good position rn

It's just some characters are insanely bad and others are so strong it's easier to beat Mike Tyson in a boxing match

[granite kiln]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ihEFHf01I8lKibPkAEavEaqZyU-VV9MGeKGZ-PmjeQM/edit?gid=736130214#gid=736130214 Yeah this is a lie

Batman is the second fastest in the air and I believe the fastest on the ground

WW

She was always fast

She's like top 5 fastest on the ground too

Actually ridiculous how quick she is

Fastest in the air though

Her attacks are also pretty damn fast

You didn't add the "used to" until after you're cheating

(edited)

[low mural]

i get that the numbers are there and i do believe them.

but batman just feels or seem slower than so many fighters in the game.

[granite kiln]

Well he's not

He is considerably faster than most

[low mural]

how am i downplaying when im not speaking it as if it was fact. im merely giving a opinion

[granite kiln]

Only rivaled on the ground by Shaggy and in the air by Wonder Woman

[low mural]

bugs just feels faster

but i get it

[granite kiln]

Get better movement

[low mural]

i never said that. i just feel like hes easier to counter

you arent really getting what im saying and thats fine

[low mural]

im aware

[granite kiln]

He's faster than base speed in the air, has base speed on the ground

[low mural]

im seeing clips of people doing great combos with batman that i didnt even know were possible

also how is he in 2s?

im sorry what do you mean by autopilot

im not familiar with that term for plat fighters

had a feeling

[granite kiln]

He's not horrible but he was never great in 2s anyways

He'll probably get some buffs because of that tbh

[low mural]

i mean true

[granite kiln]

But to me, he's really just more of a 1s character

[low mural]

i never saw him in 2s in the beta

[granite kiln]

Solid, but never great

Never amazing

Always just okay

Tbh that's probably why they barely did anything to him in balancing

To the devs, he was fine the way he was

[full surge]

This is interesting. So Batman doesn’t have the fastest air speed, but he does have the fastest air acceleration. I think that’s what makes him seem so fast in the air

Oh wait nvm it’s walk acceleration not air acceleration

But like of course WW would have the fastest air speed

As if she wasn’t already a top tier

[granite kiln]

Yeah idk what the devs were thinking with that

Maybe jump boost velocity is "air acceleration"?

If so then Batman accelerates the fastest

[full surge]

No I think that’s jump height

As in Batman has the highest jump

But Batman having the fastest walk and walk accel are kinda surprising

I thought for sure it was Taz, but apparently he’s #3

Maybe certain moves of his increase his walk speed

Like charged utilt and charged dash attack

[granite kiln]

His utilt makes him faster yeah

Idk why tbh

He can hold it infinitely and move with it AND it makes him faster? Such an oppressive way to juggle

[full surge]

I wonder how much faster Jason’s rage makes him

[loud sky]

batman feels so good rn

[velvet quail]

Same. But I mained Batman in 2s during beta.

[loud sky]

The fact I’m receiving hate mail from a WW after beating them is pure insanity no Wonder Woman on earth deserves to complain after losing. Genuinely embarrassing.

[shadow thicket]

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