Arya Stark

[marble matrix]

💀

tbf its not as simple as that but its funny to think of it like that

[twilit ingot]

Arya actually has to finish animations and has multiple moves with about a half second of end lag. Sair, tornado, dash attack, down tilt are the ones that come to mind. Take her to lab and mash dodge after using them, you'll see what I mean

[edgy bear]

ive played arya for a very long time now

if ur whiffing directly on someones threat range, then of course you can get punished, doesnt mean her lag is minmal

[twilit ingot]

I don't see why you would whiff outside of threat range and it doesn't really say much. She has multiple moves not safe on whiff. Other characters go from active frames to being able to dodge. She doesn't have that. For a light character that is kind of a big deal. The point is, people tend to play what is consistent and safe in fighting games. He asked why do aryas have a linear game plan and this is the reason. She has safer moves than others. As well as the fact that those unsafe moves don't lead Into much. Tonado might get and upair. Down tilt can combo Into jab at low percents. But these relatively unsafe moves are just not as rewarding as jab combo.

[edgy bear]

everyone prefer safer moves, even as ur example explains

but saying jab and her other combo starters lead to nothing is being willfully ignorant im not gonna lie

shes probably top 5 as it stands rn, and its purely bc of her dmg output

[twilit ingot]

Well that's just a strawman. Not remotely what I said.

[edgy bear]

alright, not into much is also a lie

she is simply good, idk what to tell you

[twilit ingot]

I never said she wasn't. This was more about why she is funneled into a linear gameplay. Not about her being bad. You are just moving the goal post

[edgy bear]

oh mb, i'd say its cz her more complex stuff is just, extra

[twilit ingot]

Her combos are strong and she is good. No one is denying that. But the person was wondering why aryas play the same

[edgy bear]

why would u go for a 80% combo using half dodge meter when u could do 70% with 1 bar type thiking

her developments are rlly good, mvs just isnt in a state to hv those bloom

[twilit ingot]

Yeah pretty much. Airwalker is flashy but a dair into upair follow up is just as good

[edgy bear]

but even still, they still differ in things to do, like nair shenanigans off stage, and goddamn jab up air

[twilit ingot]

Whoops I ment upspecial

[edgy bear]

dair uair is still good which makes this funny

[twilit ingot]

Yeah she's fun played unoptimally. Lots of cool stuff to do but way riskier

It's why I like her so much. You can play flashy or tryhard

[edgy bear]

but flashyness is coming into optimal gameplan, slowly but surely

also why ive been loving harley more and more

[smoky tinsel]

I came back and i found out a few days ago that weakness was taken away?

wth happened to this game?

[stuck mesa]

last stand and batman were too broken

[loud meteor]

does anyone here use down special

[ancient crown]

Yes

It's main purpose is to allow all her attacks to break armor

Personally I like to use it in combos

[loud meteor]

wait it does that?? I thought it just turned people around

[grizzled portal]

@frosstea it does both. Turns them around so you do more damage and it gives you and your partner armor breaking moves.

[loud meteor]

woh wtf

that's really cool

[ancient crown]

Indeed it is, if only the animation was faster :/

[loud meteor]

yeah that's why I don't use it much

[ancient crown]

I didn't like it either until I started using it in combos

Now it's always on cd :/

I wish she had an on cd down special

[loud meteor]

any time I use it I usually end up getting hit right after cause I dive right into someone getting hit

[ancient crown]

It's a pretty niche move

I wish it was as fast as beta's down special. It was almost instant

If they ever make it faster, I'm definitely gonna cook with it xD

[loud meteor]

I think I remember that yeah

[gaunt kite]

She doesnt 😂

[twilit ingot]

Go to the lab

[edgy bear]

tbh she doesnt rlly

maybe if we think of it in a vacuum, she has.. decent end lag, but in context, shes perfectly fine, minus some moves that you dont even need in neutral

[gaunt kite]

Morty has more whiff than her

In most of his moves

[twilit ingot]

Did you actually test it? In the lab?

[gaunt kite]

Why are u even trying to downplay her

Shes like top 3

[twilit ingot]

Go to the lab

[gaunt kite]

Morty side b has more whiff than most of her moves

Plus

Lets be honest

Arya doesnt have lots of whiff

Not even a lil bit

[twilit ingot]

Lab

[gaunt kite]

I just did?

Also whats wrong with saying ur main has little whiff and stuff??

Do u wanna feel better abt playing her or smth?

[twilit ingot]

Because it's false that's why

[gaunt kite]

Tell me what moves ur talking abt

[twilit ingot]

If it were true then I would say it. Also just because a character has whiff doesn't mean they are bad. It just means you have to not throw out moves randomly.

[gaunt kite]

Ok?

When did i say that Morty was bad

[twilit ingot]

I've mentioned them multiple times. Sair, downtilt, dash attack and tornado are the worst. Nair doesn't have a lot of end lag but does have commitment. Which is fine.

[twilit ingot]

I never said morty was bad

But you would have know which moves had the most end lag if you went to the lab. So pretty sure you lied

[gaunt kite]

Down tilt 😭

Sair????? 😭😭😭😭

They dont even have that much whiff

[twilit ingot]

Yeah morty side special has a lot of whiff but it's not an up close move.

[gaunt kite]

It has like normal whiff

[gaunt kite]

His sair has more whiff than Aryas sair and down tilt

[twilit ingot]

It's about even surprisingly. Didn't realize morty had a bad sair

[gaunt kite]

Its not bad

It just has a bunch of whiff

Funny how most characters dont even too much whiff on their sair

But Morty does for some reason

[edgy bear]

idk why this is such a big thing? like what?

sure, arya doesnt hv much lag, but i do wonder, why r u so hung up on not wanting that to be the case?

[gaunt kite]

Idk im bored

🤪

[edgy bear]

not talking abt u, tho ur insistance is still weird regardless

[twilit ingot]

Not wanting it to be the case? Never said I wanted less whiff. Honestly arya is one of the better designed characters because she can be punished easily

[edgy bear]

so can i just say as someone whos played a lot of arya, shes degenerate, lots of dmg, lots of kill power, not much whiff on her important moves, but thats not rlly smth thats bad to hv??

its cool, ur character is good

[twilit ingot]

If you watch high level arya play you'll notice that arya don't just throw out random moves while other characters do. There is a reason for that

[edgy bear]

bc she plays for punish game, bc shes a light character

[twilit ingot]

So a character that can spam moves constantly, do you think they have more whiff that arya?

[edgy bear]

who knows, maybe

doesnt mean arya has lots of whiff tho

just means others can spam, more than 1 things to take into account for spamming

[gaunt kite]

Thats Aryas playstyle

Whiff punish

[twilit ingot]

If she had moves that were safe to throw out she wouldn't be though. She waits for that window for a reason.

[gaunt kite]

Thats why they just dont throw stuff out

[gaunt kite]

Down tilt?

[twilit ingot]

I throw out down tilt to punish and try to combo at low percents. Can't talk for other aryas though. But plenty of people spam moves far away and downtilt counters it

For instance if a morty uses dirt, my first instinct is to down tilt. Pretty simple

[edgy bear]

you would think yeah, but even when dtilt was lightning fast, aryas werent just throwing it out willy nilly, they waited regardless

[edgy bear]

laggy on whiff

[twilit ingot]

Good ones yes, but there were spammers at low levels doing that. I'm pretty sure that's why it was nerfed. For lower end play

[edgy bear]

no, it was awfully broken in all levels

it was parryable, sure, but it was barely any lag so an intentional whiff parry bait prob just gets u the stock

[twilit ingot]

Armor moves countered it well too, but yea not a lot of counter play against it in season 1

[edgy bear]

armor moves counter any single hit non armor break

[twilit ingot]

I actually think more moves should have whiff across the game. Too many spammy playstyles that get too much mileage

[edgy bear]

well, yes and no, not every move should be punishable

its just gonna spawn a bunch of jasons camping walls

[gaunt kite]

Not really

[gaunt kite]

It doesnt have that much whiff

[edgy bear]

it is, laggy doesnt mean guaranteed punish form anywhere

just really a window, and that window is very apparant

[ember verge]

This character deserve nerfs

Lit no whiff character

[nocturne spire]

Hey how do you deal with samurai jack

[loud meteor]

it always felt like he has an advantage over me so I simply do not engage and practice the tried and true method of baiting them into whiffing

[marble matrix]

How yall liking shields aryas

[marble matrix]

🗿

Arya chat ded

🙏

Rip

[twilit ingot]

Eh yeah. The community is dwindling

[marble matrix]

🗿

[sonic belfry]

the game in general is off bruh

[sonic belfry]

50/50 is usefull for the mages matchups and in general. But idk i feel it a little weird how it works. I think needs a revision

[winged rain]

Game is dying is why

[supple flower]

Arya has got to be the most combo confirmed character on this whole game she literally drops nothing at all lol. Even though she is light she is the most precise and most unpredictable character in this whole game and can kill so easily it’s crazy. They made her to lore accurate cause how does a character literally have no whiff or possibility to drop any combo on any character. She is the ultimate combo confirmed character

[twilit ingot]

Someone is having a rough day

[supple flower]

The Arya players are very dominant. There is no beating them sadly

[twilit ingot]

High risk high reward. You can beat them. She dies at 80

[edgy bear]

still broken tho, but hey, its been this way so long its kinda funny now

[twilit ingot]

Naw if she was actually broken she would be winning every tournament and crowding up all the top 8 in 1v1 and 2v2. She's really only seems to make placements in the EU.

[edgy bear]

i mean, thats not rlly how chars work, garnet is an absolute unit that see almost no results as well, same with rick

chars dont hv to be winning to be good

[twilit ingot]

Well you used the word broken not good. I would agree she is good. But she isn't game breaking by any means

[edgy bear]

she can literally touch ppl once and kill them pretty easily, and as mentioned, happens in eu

[twilit ingot]

Not really. She doesn't have a consistent touch of death. It requires the enemy to di poorly. She does have some ways to kill early if she catches someone with upspecial while they are in the air, airwalker and then up air them while they are literally touching the blast zone. But saying it's pretty easy is not true or else everyone would be doing it. But there's only a few people really pulling it off at the moment.

[edgy bear]

there is a lot of labbing for arya, and she has many set ups and stuff, only reason mehdou and makmat dont do them is bc they dont rlly care to learn, and rainbow is doing well with those things, AND her tech chase, but she has lots of dmg and kb, which is a crux of the problem

[twilit ingot]

She has damage sure but she actually has garbage kb. It's why she's so reliant on killing with combos. She doesn't have decent kill confirms. But that's what makes arya a difficult character and why most that say she's op don't touch her.

[edgy bear]

she has amazing confirms? varied as well, and her kb isnt amazing, but positioning and charge is enough

[twilit ingot]

Not really. One of her best confirms is jab neutral and that won't kill most till 140 to 150 in the middle of the stage. Compare that to most other characters that have confirms way earlier.

She has to combo to kill earlier. It's her identity

It's also why she struggles in 2s. It takes her a long time comparatively to kill someone and it give the enemy teammate ample time to stop her.

[winged rain]

Rick has been winning comps or at least top 8 wdym

A few weeks ago I saw a Rick win top 1

[twilit ingot]

Starting to think shields was a bad idea. Games are way slower and the shield has tipped defensive play way to far.

[supple flower]

In 2’s Arya is very iffy because of the time it takes her to set up her combos which an opponent’s teammate can interfere with but in 1’s she is very dangerous and very very VERY GOOD. Due to her having a move that dodges attacks while she attacks. She is small so she is harder to hit. A lot of her combos are confirmed unless her opponent DI’s at the right direction not even considering the big body characters that just have to pretty much take it. She is a very high tier character with her kit and she is the only character that can literally steal another character’s special doing the exact damage of the characters face she steals. I won’t get into the argument that she is broken but she is definitely a high tier character and has been for a good while now

Also 6 Arya players in Grandmaster in 1’s and 5 players in 2’s kind of proves a point that she is a super high caliber player in this game

[winged rain]

Yap session

[winged rain]

Isn't there like 9 batmans in gm?

[supple flower]

I’m not sure I haven’t looked at it recently

[edgy bear]

and like 4 jakes there too, the point? ranked sux

[winged rain]

They said there being 6 gm Aryas kind of proved their point

[edgy bear]

and you shouldve retorted with jake, not a good character

[ancient crown]

she actually does slightly more damage and kb with her opponents face if she lands a backstab. It's very noticeable on lighter characters

[nocturne spire]

Is it me or is Harley really broken this season/patch

[edgy bear]

Yes, all the harley mains here should agree, the place for harley mains to gather, of course

[twilit ingot]

Harley got way weaker with shields. Every aerial based character got a massive nerf

[supple flower]

See that I didn’t know thank you for that info

[loud meteor]

dang who could have seen that coming

[grave mesa]

Learn to empty hop I'll be shield camping you until you do.

[supple flower]

I didn’t know Arya was able to constantly use her free dodge attack back to back

[supple flower]

What are some moves that makes Arya the most vulnerable to be punished?

[twilit ingot]

Depends on how they play. If they are aggressive, every approach options has substantial whiff. But if they are only whiff punishing then it might be difficult

Her weakness are pretty obvious. Just play her for a bit and you'll find out very fast what moves get punished.

[supple flower]

Alright cool appreciate it

[sonic belfry]

Normally her dash attack and neutral attack gets you in a vunerable state if you dont hit it

[grizzled portal]

And cool down side special

[supple flower]

Thanks for the info

[stuck mesa]

Oh I forgot this place existed

[edgy bear]

leave oh no name arya

[stuck mesa]

Ok 😢

[marble matrix]

How goes it my aryas

Is our girl still sick with combos?

She still has the same upspecial dair combo

So I had some fun playing her earlier

[golden obsidian]

I've been having a good time with her in 1v1's. Haven't quite gotten the hang of being her in 2v2's, but fun nonetheless.

[sonic belfry]

Just the same as usual

Sometimes i whiss we could have new moves so the variety of combos would be more

[marble matrix]

Very good my aryas.

[twilit ingot]

Been playing more 2v2 this season. I still play as arya. She's way worse in that mode and she probably should be buffed if this game is actually supposed to be balanced around 2v2 only, but she is too good in 1v1. 2v2 is a much more fun mode, as it's less serious.

[wispy talon]

Speed nerf

Huge

[ancient crown]

speed buff... tiny

[wispy talon]

@ancient crown big speed nerf

Harley needs a speed buff

Buff Harley

Why do she fight so fast

[ancient crown]

rip

[wispy talon]

@ancient crown rip for Arya speed

[ancient crown]

Arya will get a speed buff fr

she's so slow

slowest character in the game

[wispy talon]

No she is not she got batman speed

Ask anybody who is the fastest character her name will be on the top of the list

[wispy talon]

Huge nerf

[ancient crown]

small buff

[wispy talon]

@ancient crown on what

[ancient crown]

Overall

[wispy talon]

@ancient crown no she does not the person that does need it is Harley. Arya stun u for a while in her attacks is almost like tanks his and her speed is top 1

[ancient crown]

Harley is top 2 rn🤷

[wispy talon]

For what

[edgy bear]

zign, stop using my tl against me

[ancient crown]

at worst she's top 4

[wispy talon]

She is the lightest hitter in the game and she does not fight fast and she is slow with her spaciel

[edgy bear]

top 2

[ancient crown]

arya is as light as her, isn't really fast either

[edgy bear]

if rick wasnt a 0td character i would hv her top 1

[ancient crown]

nerfing arya's speed won't really do much either way

[wispy talon]

@edgy bear people playing with her everyone that plays with her is saying new combo and spaciel

[edgy bear]

what?

[wispy talon]

@edgy bear every one that plays with her says she needs a update with spaciel and combo.she just number 2 because people like playing with her

[edgy bear]

i play her, and i think she needs nerfs

idek what u mean by special combo btw

[wispy talon]

Arya she needs a nerf speed and strength

[edgy bear]

just strength

[wispy talon]

Harley is the lightest hitter and her speed is trash

[edgy bear]

also, ive played both, and harley is better

[ancient crown]

speed nerfs only affect aggressive aryas

there aren't that many aggressive aryas

[wispy talon]

I people even said she needs a nerf

Arya

[ancient crown]

she definitely needs nerfs but not speed nerfs

[edgy bear]

And harley most definitely does not need buffs either

[wispy talon]

Harley is the latest hitter character in the game. That's stupid.

[ancient crown]

hitter character?

[edgy bear]

Not rlly

Sux but deal with it

[ancient crown]

probably meant lightest

in which case Arya's as light as Harley, so mute point

[wispy talon]

That a lie Arya be taking up alot and she don't even hit combo

@ancient crown @edgy bear U really think she is stronger than Harley and faster

[ancient crown]

Arya's advantage state is better than Harley's but other than that Harley's better

[wispy talon]

@ancient crown she can literary hit combo after combo with no opening because of the speed

[ancient crown]

her attacks causes a lot of hitstun, that's how she chains combos

[wispy talon]

No, sometimes it won't stun and most of her moves is stunning people

[edgy bear]

Idk abt fasted, aryas movement is damn good but yeah harley is probably better

Dw, I think arya Is like top 3

[twilit ingot]

Arya is mostly melee aside from her dagger that has a long cool down. She the lightest in the game and doesn't have substantial knockback. She should have some strengths to make up for her weaknesses. Currently her strengths are great combo potential, moves that do more damage than most characters and her speed. I would say out of her strengths, her speed is probably the least impactful as she plays best patiently. I would love to see changes to her or the overall game that would tip the scales into making an aggressive playstyle more rewarding even if it meant she was weaker overall.

[ancient crown]

apparently she's gonna be reworked

[twilit ingot]

I know that Nakat mentioned that he would rework arya if he could but he's not on the balancing team. He just gives suggestion and helped with raven and nubia's creation a lot. I haven't heard that she is officially getting reworked.

[ancient crown]

yeah

but she's gonna need to be reworked in some way because her current playstyle is pretty toxic

[twilit ingot]

Hmm well if her rework is anything like the batman rework then people are just going to be very upset. I wouldn't be surprised if the just removed airwalker.

[ancient crown]

well doesn't seem like people like air walker, nakat doesn't like it either

[twilit ingot]

If this game actually shuts down, I'm going to miss playing Arya. I would have quit this game ages ago if not for her smooth fighting style.

[radiant cradle]

Hate to be that guy man

[twilit ingot]

Its okay. Valar Morghulis

[radiant cradle]

🙏

[ancient crown]

I'm gonna miss Arya too :/

Probably still gonna lab her until the end of s5 though

[sonic belfry]

Ngl im pissed bro

i while miss playing with arya bro

This game was the first in think i got very good playing a fighting game characte

I stayed this long only for arya...

[ancient crown]

likewise

and because of some people in the community

[uneven storm]

It's been real y'all, winter has come 🫡

[winged rain]

I'm gonna miss Arya

No other character in a game will be her

[sonic belfry]

Guys i dont know how to feel about the new patch notes changes for arya

are they good or nah??

[uneven mason]

just finished testing em and i think they feel so bad

i hate what they did to arya

70% of her old combo routes are gone

most of her attacks hit at weird angles now

[ancient crown]

Rip old Arya, time to embrace the new her

[sonic belfry]

Nah, im good bro. The character is dead, idk what were they thinking with this changes...

They erased all the usefull combos and added knockback to face steal for free

The season looks good and combat changes are great, but they killed the only thing that made me keep playing the game.

So i dont have a reason to play this season. Rip Mvs

[vivid river]

They had nerfed hard like that Arya, I'm sure it's just hard to escape that unless you use stripe down special and iron man as well for the combo breaker

Why they wrong about the arya about the hating about the arya

they think it was too broken and using airwalker

But i thought beta arya were better then idk

and it was like sesson 1 were better

Yeah that problem is that no longer true combos but it was nerfed badly

[vivid river]

Have you tried create any new combo?

I don't know if it was one 1v1 is doomed

[winged rain]

Eh

At least meta hoppers are off my character

Idc I'm still winning games with her

I even hit a few airwalker clips

Just using dodge reading now

[twilit ingot]

They really hate arya players don't they

[twilit ingot]

3 months left of this game. I was excited to just enjoy arya for 3 more months. They take away all of her sauce. She plays like a bruiser now with out the weight or knockback.

[loud meteor]

It seriously felt like I had to relearn the character every single time I felt like playing the game again.

[twilit ingot]

I'm slowly getting used to this arya. But she's pretty awful. On the bright side no one can complain about losing to arya anymore. I've already seen people put her bottom 2 and some have said bottom 4. I think it's still too early to tell where she really stands but I can easily say it's the bottom 10.

[winged rain]

She's bottom 5 icl

She takes so much work now

And being the lightest in the game doesn't help

Its stupid they killed Arya and the game is shutting down

What a joke

[golden obsidian]

This update really, really did a number on Arya. She just cannot do anything now. I don't understand their justification for it.

[uneven mason]

she's not a character anymore
or she's not arya stark anymore

a whole different character

[nocturne spire]

Is anyone alive in here….

[winged rain]

I am

Still on Arya

[edgy bear]

you know what game has all the letters in aryas name that you should play? Granblue fantasy versus: Rising

[sonic belfry]

Will never forget this game for what they did to arya...Never.

[pure garden]

Are there any Variants for the character with unique voicelines?

[atomic quiver]

RIP