Arya Stark

[twilit ingot]

Next time you feel the need to seek attention you should call your parents and tell them you love them. It's way more constructive than trying to start arguments with strangers over literally nothing.

[calm lily]

did they buff her dash attack? it feels like it does more knockback

[winged rain]

no

[calm lily]

beta arya is so back

[twilit ingot]

Go tell someone who cares

[ancient crown]

Wait this is still ongoing?

[ancient crown]

Beta Arya will only be back once she can use other characters' taunts 😔

[twilit ingot]

Arya feels really good right now. I think people are going to whine about how she can follow upspecial with dair pretty easily though.

[winged rain]

Can you shut up

Womp womp lil bro

It's multiversus

Move on

Youre the random

yes i'm whinning ironic

[twilit ingot]

I'd rather talk about how arya is actually more fun to play right now. I had a feeling those aerial changes would improve her but so far it's better than expected. I've only had enough time for like 10 games but they were 10 very enjoyable games

Still had to get people to 140 pretty consistent to kill but I actually feel like she can rack up damage again like she should.

[ancient crown]

Fr

She feels really good because she actually has an aerial starter rn

dair jab is a thing now T-T

[twilit ingot]

Oh? I haven't tried that that. I assume you just fast fall after dair. When I get home I'll try to lab it. Thanks for the tip

[ancient crown]

Once we get IAD faces she's gonna feel even better

[twilit ingot]

Oh is it and iad dair to jab?

[ancient crown]

Nah you can jab jump dair into jab on some characters

You have to fast fall dair

IAD dair into jab was already a thing

[twilit ingot]

Ah got it. I struggle to iad consistently but still working on it. I'll definitely try out the jab dair ff jab though thanks

[ancient crown]

Np

She has way more routes now

[winged rain]

i love the new Dair

feels like the other air moves now

[ancient crown]

The new dair's awesome

It feels better than nair ngl

[winged rain]

its a blessing we never knew we needed

[ancient crown]

Nah I've always wanted beta dair back

It's not exactly beta dair but it's good enough ig

If they make nair closer to beta nair, it's ggs💀

[twilit ingot]

I was able to get a couple Nair to jabs when people were at like 40 or 50% which. I have no clue If it was true or if they just di'd terribly but it still felt good to not have to fish for a jab to combo

[ancient crown]

On bigger characters it's consistent

[tulip seal]

what did they do to dair

[wispy talon]

I decided to main Arya a couple days ago and I’m so glad I did, she is really good.

[winged rain]

Fixed it

It's more fluid

[manic eagle]

arya is F tier

[winged rain]

Edgemaster57.

[celest widget]

So since when can she jump right after her up special. I did it and somehow got onto of the person I was trying to hit. Haven't really played since the start of season one so I'm not sure if it's a glitch or I intentional

[winged rain]

Always

And it's intentional

You can jump and go into Dair with it also

[celest widget]

Oh nice, also did they update air moment? She feels a lot faster on the air then I remember

[twilit ingot]

Yeah air movement was changed. Before she would basically stop almost abruptly when using a move in the air, now everyone keeps a bit more momentum. This makes getting those spikes on the wall much easier and she can react to people di a bit more after upspecial.

[celest widget]

Got you, thought as much because I remember back in beta that they did that as a nerf, happy they in did it since air is her game and her ground stuff has always been meh and more about being them in the air anyways

[elfin hill]

arya need rework she so bad so damn light are combo stings do not connect with another like every other charcter out attacks between hit other comes out hella slow then eveyone else as well her sword doesn not enlarge like every other person with a sword that makes no sense shes suppose to be fast shes slow compare to alot charcters movement charcetrs that you wouldnt think like jason got a sword and swings it faster then me same for other fin and stuff like we assassain wuith a sword

[twilit ingot]

Not even I can downplay arya that hard. I tip my hat to you. Good day.

[sturdy marten]

yeah she so bad to thee point that the only character that's better than her rn is shaggy

[stuck mesa]

[winged rain]

Batman exist

[winged rain]

Buddy imma say it this sounds like a skill issue

Arya is top 10 easily

[sturdy marten]

she is 100% better than batman

and look at tournies

look at her kit

her kit does not give a single shi about the game

[winged rain]

You play LeBron

[sturdy marten]

yes

[winged rain]

Also tourney??

[sturdy marten]

worst character in the game

[sturdy marten]

tournaments yes

[winged rain]

Arya hasnt won a tourney in a long time

Look at frostverse

[sturdy marten]

consistant t8 and always higher placements than batman's ?

lol

[sturdy marten]

oh ofc

i'm talking to na

wonderful

[winged rain]

It's like Warner bros and pfg was made in na

Crazy

It's like an American brand

Insane

Crazy there would be more American players for an American brand game

Insane truly

[stuck mesa]

chill man savak's a little mad rn

[winged rain]

Point is arya is a -2 mu for LeBron

[sturdy marten]

that's true

but has nothing to do with her

she is still broken

her kit is insane

[stuck mesa]

that's true

[sturdy marten]

kill power is insane

[winged rain]

She's gonna seem more broken to you than someone who plays Finn or morty

I'm not saying she's not broken

But she isn't top 3

[sturdy marten]

name ur top 3 then

that does not have arya in em

[winged rain]

Shaggy Batman and BA?

[sturdy marten]

LOL

[stuck mesa]

i would say top 5 still havent played everyone after the patch but i think she's top 5

[sturdy marten]

wonderful

[winged rain]

Put the fries in the bag bro

Getting pressed over a game

Smh

[stuck mesa]

that single change they made to aryas dair made her combos alot better and easier to hit so she did go up in the tier list for me

[sturdy marten]

so dair changes made her more broken while keeping her other broken shi

and that's not top 3 worthy

[winged rain]

I never denied her being top tier but this dude says she's no 2

[sturdy marten]

she is atleast a top 3

she is 100% better than ba currently

and 100% better than batman currently

[winged rain]

Nah

[stuck mesa]

yeah but idk about top 3

[sturdy marten]

and i'm not talking about mu wise

[winged rain]

You ate biased though cause of your mu

Same with Jake mains

It's literally always Jake or LeBron mains saying she's top 3

[manic eagle]

just say you suck, if you wanna see some actual arya gameplay come to the cord 👍

[azure scroll]

yeah arya is still busted, good looks

[umbral depot]

if anybody who plays this character ever complains about anything you are spoiled and a moron this character is bs

[twilit ingot]

Only the sith deal in absolutes

[winged rain]

This isn't the cry about a character channel

[umbral depot]

idc arya players are carried

[winged rain]

Imma be real no one cares about your opinion

We've heard it enough

So stop complaining

[umbral depot]

exactly cause yk ur carried 😭😭😭

[winged rain]

No cause all we hear is your no skill crying ahh upon the daily

[nocturne spire]

Fellow Arya mains I need help. Can one of yall kind souls show me her combos again and how to use this new patch Arya bc I haven’t played her in a while and I’m dog water rn and I can’t do this to my girl

[stuck mesa]

yeah sure dm me if you still need the help

[hallow ginkgo]

Is it possible to get out of airwalker combo around 80 percent?

[winged rain]

Depends on the character

[hallow ginkgo]

Welp, what about Jack

[winged rain]

Most likely yeah

Jack is easy to get combos on with airwalkee

Since he's big

[hallow ginkgo]

So theres no way to di out of it?

You can di downwards in lower percentage but that doesnt work after 80

[winged rain]

You could Di out

It's hard to say because sometimes if he's too high of a precent the knock back will throw him out

https://clips.twitch.tv/CogentLittlePotNononoCat-5TwwRy2lbHlvdSX-

Here's an example of it being easy to throw Jack around as Arya lmao

[manic eagle]

there's plenty of arya combos in the arya discord, DM if you want a link

[twilit ingot]

Saying Arya players are carried is kinda wild. She's one of the worst champs to pick if you don't know how to play this game. She's at least top ten at high skill levels but probably bottom 3 at low skill levels. Arya is not going to carry a bad player.

[grave mesa]

champs? We playing LOL?
If you don't know how to play the game just down-attack.
6 out of 10 times it works every time.

[winged rain]

Yes down tilt as players bait it out and punish hard for it

[twilit ingot]

Even if it worked 6 out of 10 times you would still lose. It does 10 damage and kills at 140 typically. It has a ton of end lag now and she can't afford to take poor trades. Down tilt is amazing but generally it's best used to whiff punish or extend a combo. Not just spam it.

[hallow ginkgo]

for the love of god

please stop being a scum

actually start playing the game instead of spammimg air walker

[winged rain]

Yes cause airwalker is spammable

And doesn't take half your dodge meter

You literally play a character that let's you spam one move

[hallow ginkgo]

every arya i play against plays passive the whole game just to get their dodge bar full and then go for a single combo

[half hound]

So basically all Arya’s fish for one combo

[hallow ginkgo]

spam what? side b? you must be joking

[half hound]

Like most characters in this game

[hallow ginkgo]

yes but not every character in the game can kill at 60

[half hound]

Not wrong

But every character can 0-death with the right reads

[hallow ginkgo]

i dont have a problem with her combo, i have a problem with cheesing

[hallow ginkgo]

airwalker combo is not a read combo

you can do it anytime you want

[half hound]

Is it a true 0-death?

[hallow ginkgo]

in some maps yes

[half hound]

Are these maps the usual legal ones

[hallow ginkgo]

in some maps its 30 to death

[half hound]

Because its entirely possible that some of it is the devs fault

[hallow ginkgo]

yes teen titans map

[half hound]

That map shouldn’t be legal I don’t think

I’m talking about like the maps most players consider legal

[hallow ginkgo]

wdym legal

its in ranked

tf does it matter if its legal or not

throne room too

[half hound]

It matters because if the map is stupid that ain’t the Arya playes fault

Thats on the devs for putting in awful stages

[harsh ether]

default ladder?

[winged rain]

You feel like it's always true cause Jack is huge

Compare Jack to WW

He's a big boy

Bigger characters airwalker works on

Mid to smaller characters it's a 40% chance if it'll work

And requires dodge read

[hallow ginkgo]

so if it only works on big characters its not a problem?

[winged rain]

Yes it's called character advantage

[hallow ginkgo]

wow

trully wow

[winged rain]

It's like counter picking exist in fighting games

Crazy conspect I know

[grave mesa]

Jab.

All my Jack homies love Jab.

[craggy depot]

Arya down tilt is totally balanced and fair, Jake is broken

[harsh ether]

what move can she copy

[winged rain]

Depends on the character

When she steals a face she can use either one ground move or one air move

In truth it's among the most skillful assassin move in the game

Since it requires you remembering what each face steal does and each one can lead into a combo

Some are more useful than others

[jovial ether]

we lying now

[jovial ether]

lmao

[hallow ginkgo]

ah yes, the 12 damage jab which cant be chained into a combo on lighter chars

[grave mesa]

They call me Samurai Jab.

[hallow ginkgo]

jaburai jack

[twilit ingot]

Spamurai Jab

[maiden arch]

is grounded up-attack ever good to use?

[winged rain]

Yes

I use it on ledge

Also @shadow portal found a combo using airwalker into grounded up tilt

Or well

Uses it

[maiden arch]

i see. Airwalker is the only way to use Arya

[winged rain]

No

In fact many Arya don't use airwalker

I run it cause I always have since the relaunch

Sometimes when your opponent is on the ledge you can up tilt into Sair

Up tilt is also a good way to keep your opponent off you when up close

Just up tilt

It'll throw them up in the air

And you reset your advantage

[manic eagle]

she's a lot better and has more combos when you use airwalker

[maiden arch]

is there a way to combo into side-special? (sword throw)

[winged rain]

Jab side special then dodge read

If they Di

Then you can turn around and go into jab face steal jab up special Nair side special up special dodge up ward uair

[maiden arch]

interesting

[winged rain]

Sorry up special then jump Nair

most likely would work against a good amount of the cast

idk how many

but you'd only get it once tbh

they'd learn not to do it again

[maiden arch]

okie dokie. so, only neutral-air will combo from an attached side-special 🤔

[winged rain]

No

You can also do them into up special up air

[maiden arch]

I see, I see. ty for the help

[grave mesa]

I use Last Stand cause I'm a lunatic.

Or 2F2B when I'm desperate.

[shadow portal]

Hey Arya mains

[ancient crown]

Imagine not using troll tactics smh

[errant mountain]

Hi everybody. Im aspiring to learn Arya but have a few things that im not understanding.

Is the jab-facesteal-jab-up b combo supposed to be true? Why do some people dodge out of it?

Also how do i see some people start combos from the rolling slash down attack? In my case the knockback is really strong.

Thanks in advanced to whoever can share their knowledge.

[winged rain]

jab face steal dodge jab

is what you gotta do

whats the rolling slash down attack

[errant mountain]

I meant the grounded down attack

[winged rain]

It doesn't have a lot of knockback

And can't kill till 140

[hallow ginkgo]

no a character with 40 damage combos is not hard carried with airwalker

[winged rain]

@grave mesa please try killing with down tilt at 100

I beg of you to try

[winged rain]

Okay spamuari jab

[hallow ginkgo]

Out of all the kill options you choose downtilt

Wow

[winged rain]

It wasn't i was saying it isn't a kill option

Because it isn't

Just like up special

It's a combo tool

[hallow ginkgo]

For the kill confirm

[winged rain]

No..

Extending combos

Or an approach tool

[hallow ginkgo]

Up b sair

🤨

[winged rain]

Tell me you know nothing about a character without telling me you know nothing about a character

The original message was down tilt isn't a kill option

He said cap

[hallow ginkgo]

Sorry I didnt see the previous message, I dunno why you replied to me for his message tho

[winged rain]

I was gonna write smth to you

And accidentally tagged you in it

[hallow ginkgo]

Anyways, 40 damage combo is a bit too much, with kill confirms like jab+face steal+dash attack or up b+ sair theres no reason to debate on whether you need airwalker or not. Most aryas that cant win without airwalker are just donwplaying character at this point. Fun fact theyre the only aryas Ive been winning againts in the past weeks😭

[winged rain]

Most Aryas that aren't in diamond don't use airwalker simply because airwalker is situational

There is a few characters it'll work well on

Like jack

I keep airwalker because I always have

Since the relaunch

I have played Arya

For the simple reason I enjoy her kit

And in the beta I also play Arya

[hallow ginkgo]

I just dont know how to feel about that honestly, the balancing team has kinda ruined some characters and mechanics for me, and the fact that i play a b tier character makes it even worst😕

[winged rain]

Idk id still play Arya even if she was F tier even if they send her to the depths of hell simply cause I can't see myself playing anyone else

Expect gojo

I'd drop Arya for gojo

[hallow ginkgo]

I wouldnt mind if I get awarded for actually getting out of someones cheese move but thats never gonna happen unfortunately

[hallow ginkgo]

Disneykaisen glaze is crazy😭

[winged rain]

Look it's the only anime I enjoyed 😭

Being able to throw hollow purple at Steven would be a dream

[hallow ginkgo]

Nah I like it too, my only problem was the ending

[winged rain]

The Manga or anime

[hallow ginkgo]

Manga ofcourse

I only read the mangas most of the times, rarely watched any of the anime adaptations

[winged rain]

Ah I haven't read the Manga

Don't spoil it

[hallow ginkgo]

I wont🗣

[winged rain]

If you ever do watch the dub version

It's peak

[hallow ginkgo]

Btw are you ZzLucid??

[winged rain]

Only time I'd say that about a dub

[winged rain]

No

[hallow ginkgo]

Theres another lucid then

[winged rain]

Is that the Velma?

[hallow ginkgo]

Yuh

[winged rain]

Yeah I know him but I'm not him I'm the Arya and mid Velma player

[winged rain]

Also pro tip for Arya

Dodge in when she does jab face steal jab

You'll fall through

And most Aryas aren't prepared for dodge in

They predict on you dodging out

[blissful mist]

I wouldn't even say buff, but Arya's side special needs a rework. It's just so clunky for a character that otherwise specializes in fluidity

The spin dive part, not the dagger, that's perfectly fine

[stuck mesa]

I don't really see a problem with that

[grave mesa]

That's Arya paying for how cracked dagger is.

[ancient crown]

I think it's fine the way it is, it just lacks the explosiveness from beta when it hits the opponent

[winged rain]

Honestly I'd rather it be quicker with no armor break and less damage

Feels better for an assassin type

Also

I wish there was a counter for down special while it was in cool down

And bring back stealing taunts

[stuck mesa]

personally I don't remember a time I threw this move out without it being a missclick

but at the same time have no armor break moves other than down special seems bad

[winged rain]

Well you can use it for let's say someone is jumping at you while trying to get back to stage you can side special and carry them down to the ledge and have them wall bounce and turn around Sair

[stuck mesa]

sounds too risky

you're throwing out a slow move against someone that edge guards you

if you miss its over for you and you also waste one of your air moves

nair sounds like a better option to me

[winged rain]

True

It's not fool proof

Bit works sometimes

[blissful mist]

That's my point, it's super situational

[stuck mesa]

I think that's fine

you can't have every move combo into another move

[blissful mist]

Maybe it'd be fine if the situation was more common, but as it stands it just feels like the slot could be better used

[stuck mesa]

that's fair

I like aryas moveset as it is rn

having situational moves is fine

maybe make it a little faster

btw @blissful mist what's your rank?

[blissful mist]

I stopped playing for awhile so it's now in the bronze, but I was silver in 2s a bit ago

[stuck mesa]

ranked is annoying can see why you stopped

[blissful mist]

I'm still not very good at this game haha, but my main issue was for some reason the game stopped letting me form parties with people who weren't from Australia/new Zealand

So I had rely on a smaller community

[stuck mesa]

that sounds so weird

[spice roost]

[hallow ginkgo]

Skibidi's duo💗💗💗

[spice roost]

yup thats me

[odd crane]

any goood combos for arya? maybe true combos? I barely know 2 or 3 😩

[winged rain]

Arya doesn't do true combos

Her combos are dodge dependant and character biased

[hallow ginkgo]

huh

[winged rain]

Her combos aren't true as much as you get hit by airwalker they aren't true

And diable

[hallow ginkgo]

airwalker is not diable

on jack

and her base combo on jack is always downtilt+jab+face steal+ jab+up b or dash attack. if you finish with up b you can do a sair after 60 damage or something. and there are some situations where you can do another up b after your combo if you finish it with a down air

you can do an opening with a side b too

[hallow ginkgo]

this is actually the most damaging combo in the game if im not wrong

Yup 52 damage

[winged rain]

You can't think Arya has the most damaging combos when batman Smith exist

Batman literally has a 0 to 80

Aryas combos are Di able jab face steal jab doesn't even work 40% of the time

[stuck mesa]

facts

[winged rain]

Most Aryas will just do jab up special into Dair or Sair because Jab face steal jab is so unreliable now since that jabs don't take priority

[hallow ginkgo]

Batman Deals a maximum of 37 damage

[winged rain]

And Smith? Who literally has 0td

[hallow ginkgo]

No he doesnt

[winged rain]

He does lmao

[hallow ginkgo]

Dude he doesnt wdym

[winged rain]

Batman ain't s tier for no reason

[hallow ginkgo]

Hes s Tier cause his combo is the most consistent in the game, not because he can 0 to 80 with one Single combo

And if Smith had a true zero to death they wouldve patched it in one day

[winged rain]

And like I have said before

You wouldn't be so biased against Arya if you didn't play Jack

[hallow ginkgo]

52 damage

52

[winged rain]

Di able

Legitimately you're pulling things out your as to try and be right

[hallow ginkgo]

I Set the bot to dodge after hitstun

On hard mode

[winged rain]

And that magically makes it true in every battle

[hallow ginkgo]

The bot dis on jacks combos so why not on aryas combos

[hallow ginkgo]

So I have to record it ha

[winged rain]

Cause the lab has been notablely known for not working with Arya combos 💀

[hallow ginkgo]

Thats a thing now huh?

[winged rain]

I could literally give you a full in depth book on how Arya isn't as broken as you want to believe and you still wouldn't listen

Cause you're biased

[winged rain]

Been since season 1

[stuck mesa]

she's broken

[winged rain]

Didn't say she's not

[stuck mesa]

not 52 damage combo broken but broken

[winged rain]

Yes she is broken but I'm tired of people pulling things out their as about Arya just to inflate their ego and accept a skill issue

[stuck mesa]

I feel that

[winged rain]

If Arya had a 0 to 52 combo that worked on every character every time always true don't you think that'd have been patched?

[stuck mesa]

they already patched the up b into up b

was in the game for like a week or 2

[hallow ginkgo]

Why do you keep saying shes not broken? Its not like no ones gonna say : yeh you play arya cause youre a meta hopper youre trash. Shes broken and theres only Pfg to blame, you dont have to defend it with your soul cause someone might question your skill. As you said, you play with airwalker since beta. You dont use it cause its broken

[winged rain]

I have never said Arya isn't broken.

In fact I have actively wanted nerfs for this character since season 2

I don't accept however is people who have a genuine skill issue and like to argue about Arya in an Arya channel

And I'll say it again

You are only biased against Arya cause you play Jack

Legitimately i only see the characters such as Jake, Jack, Superman and Jason who cry the most about her

Cause it's a bad match up

Accept the fact that some characters naturally will do better against certain characters regardless if Arya gets nerfed into hell shell still be a bad match up for Jack

And you can't change that

[stuck mesa]

I don't know if jason is a bad matchup

[winged rain]

He's big

Almost any big character will be a good match up for Arya

[hallow ginkgo]

Multiversus is a competitive game, unlike games like smash. with bad matchups you cant compete in certain tournaments so its not normal for this game to have bad matchups.

[stuck mesa]

well yes but at the same time playing the stage against a jason is scary especially when you play against someone like pumba who uses rage very very well

[winged rain]

Yeah but character wise you will have the advantage over Jason don't get me wrong I've played against some crazy Jasons especially with that grab that'll counter down tilt and Nair

Making it hard to approach

[stuck mesa]

I played pumba twice

[hallow ginkgo]

Btw the 52 damage combo is downtilt+jab+neutral special+jab+up b+ nair, with down special activated

[stuck mesa]

last time I played him it felt like walking on a floor with legos one wrong step and I get rage uptilted into the next match

[winged rain]

Down special

Right when he does rage

[stuck mesa]

tried it

[winged rain]

It'll completely ignore it

[stuck mesa]

worked sometimes

and then he got rage back

and I didn't have down special

[winged rain]

Hm

Playing aggressively?

It's risky

[stuck mesa]

didn't work

I play aggressive on arya

[winged rain]

But potentially if you were playing more aggressively and keeping in his face you could make sure he can't charge

[winged rain]

I try my best but like every time I do i get camped out

Wonder woman is so cancer

All they do is camp

[stuck mesa]

whenever I play against a campy player I play worse

[winged rain]

For me I just try to catch them with up special

What rank are you?

With arya

[stuck mesa]

ww is alot easier now that her down special doesn't last nearly as long

[winged rain]

Well yeah it's just when they camp

[stuck mesa]

I'm grandmaster top 3 arya rn

[winged rain]

Wait are you malmvs?

[stuck mesa]

nah

my ign is toomanyrainbows

top 3 with arya top 25 grandmaster

[winged rain]

In 1s?

[stuck mesa]

yeah i play 1s

[winged rain]

I haven't checked the leaderboard in a while

I'm 72

[stuck mesa]

got up there not too long ago

[winged rain]

Well congrats then

[stuck mesa]

passed fiefy and kayes like 2 days ago

[stuck mesa]

thanks

[winged rain]

Still yet to figure who that mal guy is

[stuck mesa]

mal2gone?

[winged rain]

It's like

MalMVS

He was the no 1 for a few days

[stuck mesa]

well the season just started

[winged rain]

Were almost at mid seasons 😭

[stuck mesa]

we are?

wow that's crazy

[winged rain]

37 days left of the season

I'm diamond 3

Once I hit masters i ain't playing ranked anymore

[stuck mesa]

bro I've been nolifing this game 💀 I just realized

[winged rain]

Then I gotta work on 2s master

💀

That's the way of grandmasters atp

[stuck mesa]

I think I've gained like

maybe 200 rp

in 2 days

most of these games I've gained 2

man that's bad

[hallow ginkgo]

@winged rain theres a zero to death with arya

jab up special > land on platform > jab up special > airwalker > jab up special > up air

[stuck mesa]

umm

first of all

up spicial into up air is di able

other than that

jab up special airwalker is also di able

[hallow ginkgo]

Not on... you guessed it.. JACK

[stuck mesa]

I don't remember if I've EVER hit a up special into airwalker on a jack that used di away

[hallow ginkgo]

It hits

[stuck mesa]

wanna try it in game?

[hallow ginkgo]

I literally closed my Laptop a nanosecond ago

[stuck mesa]

welp

[hallow ginkgo]

But we'll try it tomorrow

[stuck mesa]

sure

[odd crane]

bummers... I thought so

so any of you guys have combos to share? maybe a video or just describe it

[hallow ginkgo]

arya has true combos

[hallow ginkgo]

downtilt+dc jab+face steal+ jab+up b or dash attack. if you finish with up b you can do a sair after 60 damage or something. and there are some situations where you can do another up b after your combo if you finish it with a down air
you can do an opening with a side b too

[odd crane]

dc = dodge cancel?

and what does the b stand for?

[ancient crown]

Special

[odd crane]

oh ok

thanks for the tips! gonna try it out

[ancient crown]

Np🫡 you should join the Arya server if you wanna learn more about her

[odd crane]

oh there's an arya server? didn't know about it! care to share the invite link?

[stuck mesa]

@hallow ginkgo

perfect time to test if airwalker is always true

[hallow ginkgo]

Ofcourse

In a minute

[stuck mesa]

gl

bro

thats me

[hallow ginkgo]

Lets just play rn

[stuck mesa]

i dont think you di

[hallow ginkgo]

We'll test it after this one

[stuck mesa]

alright

[hallow ginkgo]

Airwalker😀

[stuck mesa]

yeah

[hallow ginkgo]

Got disconnected lol

[stuck mesa]

really? welp

[hallow ginkgo]

Lets test it

[stuck mesa]

that's the servers for ya

[stuck mesa]

ok

[hallow ginkgo]

Right

[stuck mesa]

di away

[hallow ginkgo]

Damn its laggy

Btw

[stuck mesa]

are you for the US?

[hallow ginkgo]

We gotta do it in a map with platforms

[hallow ginkgo]

Nope

[stuck mesa]

huh than idk why its laggy

like

if the tip hits like the end hits

you cant airwalker

if you're stacked it works

[hallow ginkgo]

Damn jack's tall

[stuck mesa]

like

i dont think it works

i think its di able

[hallow ginkgo]

I dunno, a gm shaggy who also plays arya told me

[stuck mesa]

huh

[hallow ginkgo]

The combo

[stuck mesa]

who kawaiiegirl?

[hallow ginkgo]

Nah

[quaint fog]

is it better to follow up up special with a air side or an air up attack? Seems like side does more knockbakc

[maiden arch]

Side-air can be charged and has a forgiving hitbox

[quaint fog]

can it be fully charged? or just a bit

[maiden arch]

fully charged. does 5 extra damage and more knockback

[quaint fog]

oh damn tyty

[stuck mesa]

sometimes against smaller characters if they di in you can't side air them and sometimes if they di away you can't up air them

you just need to react to that

[shy mist]

I still think arya has such an obvious slot for another perk to effect side special. Just make it the same as wonder woman whip, instead of letting you dash just have a high damage projectile

[wispy talon]

STILL ONE OF THE CRINGIEST CHARACTERS IN THE GAME

[winged rain]

Womp womp

[wispy talon]

do the same 50 damage combo and put my fries in the bag lil bro

[stuck mesa]

"put my fries in the bag lil bro" that's crazy

[wispy talon]

i need my fries

[stuck mesa]

fair I need some too

[winged rain]

Just give me the rp and move on lil bro 🥸

[wispy talon]

put. my. fries. in. the. bag.

is that so hard to understand

make sure you get my order right this time you cant be burning my hasbrowns

[winged rain]

Quit riding

[wispy talon]

fries now

[wispy talon]

get me my mcflurry

[winged rain]

Doing tricks on it

[wispy talon]

dang i see you

i need an adequate amount of oreos dont do my dirty

[winged rain]

Doing back flips on it

[wispy talon]

gawwwllyyy i see you. just for that ill tip you generously and handsomely

[stuck mesa]

yo lucid how do I get the arya discord server link?

[winged rain]

Dms

[stuck mesa]

ty

[manic eagle]

arya star

[twilit ingot]

Arya hate and multiversus aside, I really hope you don't treat service workers like this. They are out trying to make a living and you feel entitled to belittle them? Working people are my favorite people. I have nothing but respect for anyone who gets up each day to make it work. Grow up, get a job and if you have a Job that is making you lots of money that for some reason makes you think you are better than everyone else, guess what your not. Treat people with dignity and respect.

[winged rain]

Yeah most people especially in America and the economy here have to work jobs we hate or are even ashamed to say we do i respect anyone who does service work

[wispy talon]

yo bro i promise you it is NOT that deep. ive worked in multiple stores and ik how it is. its literally a meme just like any other meme on the internet 😭 😭 😭 😭 if you couldnt tell by the jokes we were throwing around idk what to tell u

just put the fries in the bag bro

[twilit ingot]

Honestly don't care. Don't make excuses. Don't normalize terrible behavior. I understand it's a meme but you realize dumb kids are impressionable and will actually go out and treat service workers like this right? I'm not a fan of censorship, and comedy is something that you can generally be more loose with, but this punchline sucks. It's basically saying service workers suck so let's mock them. If you want to keep using that meme, go ahead but I don't agree with the sentiment behind it.

[wispy talon]

👍

[amber nimbus]

arya stark vs coyote starrk

[winged rain]

Arya Stark vs Tony Stark

[amber nimbus]

true!!

[manic eagle]

Arya stark versus

They should make a rule where you'd get banned if you didn't main arya stark from game of thrones

[winged rain]

This is real

[blissful mist]

True and real

[odd crane]

real

[twilit ingot]

They should add Robert Baratheon. Bobby B needs some representation

[manic eagle]

They should add jon or danaerys

[umbral depot]

why did arya not get nerfed god damn it

[rancid rock]

she did

dagger is useless now

[umbral depot]

did they nerf the hitstun that much?

like can u get any conversion out of it

or just not any move you want anymore

[rancid rock]

yeah they did. in the air the only thing you can convert to is upair, which has low knockback and you cant continue the combo after it

[umbral depot]

i mean the up special loops weere kinda nuts

[rancid rock]

on the ground it's the same deal, but you can try to fastfall quickly to land a jab if you touch the ground

its iffy though

[grave mesa]

Doesn't up-air kill?

Am I remembering this character wrong?

[rancid rock]

nah upair always been mid

sair is the kill move

but regardless the better route was always dagger teleport to upspecial

in beta we had dagger teleport to dair to upspecial lmao that was nice

anyway rip dagger 2022-2024

[grave mesa]

You're Orcane at home now.

Have fun.

[winged rain]

Also the universal nerf k grounded specials

I haven't been on today

But jab face steal jab probably doesn't work

[rancid rock]

works fine btw

dodge attacks are unaffected

[winged rain]

Yeah

But dagger combos are useless

[rancid rock]

yup

[blissful mist]

Am I crazy or did they tweak the dagger alt

Like, her spin attack feels a lot lighter now

[wispy talon]

another day another arya putting my fries in the bag

dont let aero27 see this

[winged rain]

Jake Tuah and Nair on that thing

[wispy talon]

do some tricks on that thang

[round ermine]

any Aryas tryna 1v1

I'm tryna get better at fighting this character

[twilit ingot]

🙄

[worn pulsar]

you get upair off dagger

[manic eagle]

Which is pretty much impossible to combo off of

[worn pulsar]

didn’t say combo off upair? or did i said dagger confirms upair

use your imagination lmfao

[manic eagle]

Then dagger is basically useless if it only had one followup move that you can't even combo with

What am I gonna do after I uair?

Dagger lost 80% potential after not being able to follow up with upb or sair

[worn pulsar]

oh no.. if you want the 0td you need to make a read

what’s stopping you from sticking dagger, do jab up b sair/upair and then dagger tp upair

[winged rain]

Cause up air doesn't kill

Unless they're right up at the blastzone

[worn pulsar]

https://clips.twitch.tv/BombasticOutstandingShingleDoggo-6hCPk8f7XZMhaImk

[manic eagle]

Shaggy was at 80?

[worn pulsar]

and?

[manic eagle]

Because sair/uair to dagger isn't even true most of the time

[worn pulsar]

do you understand you’re crying that you have to make reads to kill at 0 lmao

[manic eagle]

What do you mean and?, so the move is valid because its able to kill at 80? While the shaggy was almost at the blast zone too?

[manic eagle]

It's not that it's just that dagger isn't a move I can combo off of

I'm not crying because I lost a 0td

[twilit ingot]

Bro literally said it would only kill if right near the blast zone and you show a clip of them fighting a bot, sticking dagger, landing a charger uptilt before dashing. You realize this is not common right? How often do you think people approach when then have dagger in them?

[worn pulsar]

i’m just saying that apparently arya players are so used to not playing multi that you forgot if you get them high up, they can die when you hit them

i’m not saying full charge an uptilt into dagger tp

[worn pulsar]

not reading allat

cause you guys are arguing a moot point

[manic eagle]

Agree to disagree man

[twilit ingot]

Then stop talking

[worn pulsar]

only if you do 🙂

[worn pulsar]

i just think it’s silly to write off dagger tp into upair when arya has the means to set it up

[twilit ingot]

You are the one running your mouth then going la la la when someone refutes your point

[worn pulsar]

especially since you can wait for the air dodge and your tp is confirmed

[twilit ingot]

What is your purpose here?

[worn pulsar]

because you’re arguing about the circumstances of the clip when i was just using the clip to show you guys how to dagger to upair lmao

just block me if i’m hurting your feelings bro

[twilit ingot]

And I posed you a valid counter point. How often do people approach with dagger to do that. It's a clip of a bot

[worn pulsar]

see you’re being intentionally ignorant

[twilit ingot]

That's projection

[worn pulsar]

if i have to explain to you how to play neutral you have other problems apart from arya losing dagger up b

[twilit ingot]

I'm not asking about a neutral state. This is an advantage state.

[worn pulsar]

the clip is just showing that dagger upair kills period. up to the arya players to set it up

[twilit ingot]

This is a scenario where the enemy is in clear disadvantage and you think they will walk into a charged up tilt

[worn pulsar]

arya losing dagger up b is the same thing as tom losing paddle jerry shot. it was unhealthy for a character to execute such things

[worn pulsar]

brother are you being dense on purpose? or do you just genuinely not understand how the game works

[twilit ingot]

Projection once again

Stop pretending you understand

[worn pulsar]

yea man for sure 😂😂

stop pretending you don’t understand

[twilit ingot]

You proved you didn't even know what neutral is

Facts are facts bro. You think having a dagger stuck is neutral state

Incoming insult or back pedal. Calling it

[worn pulsar]

the entire point of this argument stems from arya not being able to dagger tp -> up b. meaning the dagger being stuck while on the ground has nothing to do with the state of the players. in the hypothetical arya needs avoid getting attacked and hit shaggy in order to get shaggy into the air so she can dagger upair and shaggy either needs to avoid getting attacked and/or hit arya to avoid getting laddered to death

it is effectively a neutral state

[manic eagle]

https://streamable.com/0pfpx2

new 0td just dropped

airwalker my beloved

[worn pulsar]

but according to these guys that upair doesn’t kill sorry buddy

[manic eagle]

you just gotta be a bit lucky with catching your opponent early

cause in five seconds that dagger is gone

its not really the issue that uair is bad

i just like having more options with dagger

im limited to one route

and thats not fun

[twilit ingot]

Yeah... it's not. Dagger stuck is a massive advantage state. It leads to early kills. And the opponents options get limited, that why it's an advantage state. Neutral is when the playing field is even for both parties.

[worn pulsar]

so you didn’t read. got it

[twilit ingot]

Obviously it can kill and like it was stated earlier, you need to be close to a blast zone. It doesn't have great knockback

[twilit ingot]

I read it multiple times trying to understand what you think neutral is. Unlike you who openly states they don't read arguments. Like I said multiple times. You love to project

I bet if you polled 100 people if they think dagger stuck is neutral basically all of them would agree it's not a neutral state

[manic eagle]

sticking dagger to someone is obviously an advantage state

[twilit ingot]

Yeah also they could have di'd out of the airwalker part too. But it's still worth attempting

[winged rain]

Was he not right up at the blast zone?

"Unless they're right at the blast zone"

[round ermine]

looking for aryas to 1v1

[twilit ingot]

Lol that was my point. He tried to refute you with evidence that didn't prove you wrong

Then he tried to teach me that neutral is arya having dagger stuck.

I understand not letting upspecial hit after dagger but not letting sair hit is dumb.

[winged rain]

Yeah i agree

Up special is cheesy asf

And any Arya who thinks we need that again might be just coping 😭

[twilit ingot]

She still should have more options than 1 move. This takes away freedom of expression. It was fun sticking dagger then knocking them to the side blast zone for a sair option.

Now dagger stuck means I just go for damage or try a ladder combo only. Kinda lame

It's also going to be weird getting use to pressing back and special to ensure the upair. So use to going through them for the up special positioning

[ancient crown]

Exactly at least tp sair should be a thing or tp drill. In the beta drill only really combo'd off tp if you got the timing right

Being limited to only vertical dagger kills just feels bad

Tp dair is pretty much dead too

[manic eagle]

Arya is c tier

[craggy depot]

Lying

[manic eagle]

yeah actually she's prob d tier

[craggy depot]

I'm not falling for that

[manic eagle]

they need to remove the dagger cooldown

👍

[craggy depot]

They should probably buff dtilt, it's unfair that it takes dodge meter tbh

Bring triple jump again and maybe she'll be B tier again

[manic eagle]

yeah agreed

[winged rain]

I'm not falling for that 🤓☝️

[craggy depot]

☝️🤓

[winged rain]

You can't 🤓 my 🤓

[craggy depot]

"Errrmmm sir, You can't 🤓 my 🤓"
☝️🤓

[winged rain]

Boo hoo

Go play rivals 2

[twilit ingot]

I understand you need attention. I hope you are loved at home.

[grave mesa]

On god.

At this point might as well just make the follow up automatic.

I'm not in the mood to go for dodge reads just to hit something else.

I get the idea behind the change don't get me wrong.

In most situations you were just gonna dagger into up-b or dagger into Jab dair then up-b.
So they're trying to avoid that monotony to a degree, but it's done in a way that makes the move unfun to use.

[manic eagle]

You're not funny

Hope you know that

[winged rain]

Womp womp bro what does complaining to us help you do?

Nothing

We don't wanna hear it

[grave mesa]

Nothing isn't better or worse than anything.
Nothing's just nothing

[manic eagle]

Lucid the guy's complaining about us having less routes why are you mad

[winged rain]

You ain't Arya bro 😭🙏

Arya ain't cooking with that line either

Like no sht nothing is nothing

She ain't the brightest in winterfell

A girl may have no name but she's definitely got no brain either

[twilit ingot]

The new side special is actually not too bad. Still has crazy end lag but with the extra movement you can jump and use it and cover so much space that you can do it safely against bad players

[twilit ingot]

Actually had a lot of fun using the side special on cool down. Arya feels very different being able to use the tornado now. You definitely need to abuse momentum to make it worth your time so it's kinda predictable, but it's fun being able to zoom all over the map now.

[blissful mist]

yeah, i'm enjoying the tornado tweak, its a lot more fun to use now, i use it much more often

[modern spoke]

What if

We gave Arya

A AK-47

[winged rain]

🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅

[twilit ingot]

Dude is obsessed

[amber halo]

In your experience what’s aryas best and worst move and why

[grave mesa]

Do we count her Jab hits as one move total or each move individually?

Cause I ony Jab 2 as a misinput

But the movelist just has the full Jab combo take up one spot and I use Jab 99 times per game.

[ancient crown]

Jab 2 is definitely her worst move I totally forget that it exists sometimes xD

Jab 1 is her best move

[amber halo]

I guess it counts lol

[winged rain]

Jab 2 or down special is kinda her worst move

Her best is up special

[manic eagle]

Best move up special or dair, worst is down special

I would never use downspecial for offence

Only for the buff

[winged rain]

I wouldn't say that

Like down special is a good move generally

But compared to her other moves it's not as good

[twilit ingot]

You can extend combos with down special

[winged rain]

On some characters

I have a list of every character it works on somewhere

[manic eagle]

I didn't say it was the worst move in the game

I said it's aryas worst move

[manic eagle]

Don't like using it all that much, gotta be point blank to hit someone with it

[twilit ingot]

That's fair. I always forget to use it in combos. I do wish it would come out slightly faster.

[gray coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/i-wanna-take-a-pig-angry-birds-meme-meme-gif-14812769550007415262

[maiden barn]

https://x.com/trihxx/status/1852179197076062233

[latent spear]

Do you still have it ?

By any chance

[marble matrix]

I'm picking up arya again with smith for season 4

#clips message

idk why this guy

stood their and took it

but it looked sick.

[winged rain]

Nice

Only difference this season is the dagger

And the new CD side special

[latent spear]

I also play both smith and Arya

[marble matrix]

Gang gang

😎

[ancient crown]

Now that weakened is removed, will she get a new sig?

[stuck mesa]

nah they are just going to delete the already existing one and keep her with only one sig for a few patches

[ancient crown]

She only has 5% yeah, trophy was even worse than betrayal in ones

[stuck mesa]

who needs sig perks

[ancient crown]

Sig perks that influence playstyles are always fun tbf

That's what I want for Arya

[stuck mesa]

yeah but like

what characters have those perks

[ancient crown]

Ppg

Ww

[stuck mesa]

ww is a stretch

[ancient crown]

It's something though

She can use the whip as a grapple or as a kill tool

[stuck mesa]

harley is a good one imo

[ancient crown]

I just want something like that for Arya as well

[stuck mesa]

me too

[ancient crown]

Her true sig rn is air walker honestly

[stuck mesa]

yeah

gizmo has some fire airwalker stuff too

[ancient crown]

Yeah Jason and Rick as well

But Arya gets the most hate for using it

[stuck mesa]

I mean

I hate rick airwalker 10 times more

[ancient crown]

I don't blame them though

[stuck mesa]

arya airwalker is just a part of this game at this point

just like shaggy

[ancient crown]

Yeah

It fits with her kit really well

[stuck mesa]

yes

[ancient crown]

She can do crazy air walker stuff but almost no one does it :/

[stuck mesa]

I've seen some CRAZY airwalker plays with bj

[ancient crown]

Fr?

[stuck mesa]

yeah

a player like

stunned me in the air

airwalker bombed

[ancient crown]

Wow

[stuck mesa]

THAT WAS FIRE

[ancient crown]

That's crazy indeed

[ancient crown]

Facts

Air walker doesn't always have to be cringe

It gets so much unnecessary hate

[stuck mesa]

well yeah but you waste half your dodge meter just for using it better play it safe

[ancient crown]

Air walker's for the sauce

But it's sauce has been limited ever since they removed dair air walker

[marble matrix]

Arya changes don't look to bad boys

Gona keep enjoying my upspecial dair combos.

[sonic belfry]

So yeah

Arya changes, except the speed bufs, are just meh

we need to lab her first tho

[sonic belfry]

Guys it is me or nair now feels alot more interesting

at least thats what im seeing in the lab

[manic eagle]

nair ground bounces now

you can follow up with jab

makes it a cool combo starter

[sonic belfry]

Fr. im testing it and feels really more usefull than before

the horizontal change for this and sair are very good to

[odd crane]

somebody from the arya discord please fix me I got timed out for saying the r word on mysefl 😭

[marble matrix]

nah

🗿

[manic eagle]

dm one of the mods

[round osprey]

tips for starting combos? I just started playing arya and been tryna dair into stuff but keep whiffing

[odd crane]

you can jab into dair when the enemy is on the ground

oh my bad

I meant nair

now that they changed how nair is done, you can chain that with jab

you can chain up special when dair bounces the enemy on the ground

and then airwalker and jab up sp blablabla

[round osprey]

fs fs

what about finishing moves 😭my opponent be at 150 but won’t die

[marble matrix]

NAIR IS SO COOL NOW WHAT

[gaunt kite]

Arya is so busted rn

[marble matrix]

its the china man

[twilit ingot]

Arya was underpowered last patch and this channel was super quiet. She gets minor buffs and people already complaining.

[marble matrix]

People are complaining

Where

Also tbh Arya was always good idk why people forgot about Arya, but I've been enjoying the character since people stopped complaining about her. 💀

[twilit ingot]

Mister oc there and comments from other places, mostly YouTube. I saw tier lists from last patch where people still thought arya was top 3 in the comments.

[marble matrix]

Oh

[twilit ingot]

I actually enjoyed arya a lot last patch. She definitely felt like she was average to maybe a touch underpowered. She was way below the power level of the top characters like smith, pfg, bg, and shaggy

[marble matrix]

Also I think Arya has a insane loop, i think that's why people are upset

Her nair combos now are great though

I love it

[twilit ingot]

I have been overwhelmed with finals so I haven't played much this patch. I'm stoked that Nair actually combos again. That's how it was in beta. Giving her an aerial approach is what she needed so could stop playing so campy

[marble matrix]

I mean, I've been using nair before. I just don't play Arya campy

🗿

But I'm not saying you did

Talking about others that do

[twilit ingot]

I played her pretty aggressive. But I'm guilty of playing more passive in ranked against very good opponents. Her optimal play style has been a patient one. But it's not nearly as fun. I'm excited to see how much success I can get while being aggressive this patch

[marble matrix]

Higher elo you have too if you wana win, but I'm stubborn and just run in, even if I lose for it.

If I'm player in a tornament or if I don't like a player it's different. 💀

But i don't play tornys.

[twilit ingot]

The problem with arya is all her approach options have an insane amount of whiff punish. It's weird because so many people think she's unpunishable, but she actually gets stuck in animations unlike other characters. Nair is a great tool since it doesn't have much end lag, it just keeps you in active frames for a while but at least you are defending yourself while it's active.

Maybe it's not necessarily a problem. But it does encourage a more passive and precise gameplay. She's can't afford to take hits and she is heavily punished on whiff. People probably think she's unpunishable because a good arya doesn't just throw things out randomly unlike most characters.

[marble matrix]

I just fight her with aerials like I do any character.

[twilit ingot]

I throw out Nair quite a bit but not so much sair or dair. Sair has terrible end lag and the hit box was inconsistent. I felt like it would pass through people at times and other times land things it never should.

I actually should work on a more aerial focused gameplay. I really enjoyed the tornado change from the patch before. Actually a ton of fun to zip around and catch people off gaurd. I feel like no one is ever ready for it since it wasn't really used before

[gaunt kite]

Man look

I understand u main Arya and so on

But saying shes not at least top 5 this season is crazy

Not even complaning rn

Shes really fast

She has good kill power

Her down tilt still hitting people on the sky

And being an almost unpunishable and a really good range move

So yeah

Shes problably a top 5 character

Even the people on the Pro mvs discord agree shes around that

[twilit ingot]

Well I really won't have a chance to play much till Tuesday. But we'll see. If she's top 5 it's because Nair can combo, not her walk speed. It was only like a 5% boost so it's like you get the perk for free and can use airwalker still.

[ancient crown]

the current nair is pretty goated yeah

the fast fall and short hop changes also caused her to have more routes and made some of her existing routes more consistent

[twilit ingot]

True. Didn't think about that. Being able to approach with an aerial and actually combo does improve speed a ton.

[twilit ingot]

Finally got to play some a decent amount. Arya almost feels like beta speeds. But I only got to play a little so I can't compare her to the rest of the cast yet.

[round osprey]

wtf am i supposed to do against samurai jack

every single move he has reaches behind him

and everything he throws connects

[marble matrix]

Use Arya speed to slip behind him, hit those dtilt combos that lead in to upspecial. Learn platform perk combos

Abuse nair

🤷‍♂️

That's what i do

[odd crane]

is arcticmicho here?

[winged rain]

Arya is top 5

[wispy talon]

anyone have good keyboard settings for arya

[winged rain]

@ancient crown

[twilit ingot]

Yeah. After actually getting a chance to play her some, it's not surprising she's in the top again. The Nair change was very good.

[odd crane]

that nair change was PEAK

[shadow portal]

She’s top8

[loud meteor]

It seems like I can't combo a dagger dash into up special anymore?
I liked getting air kills this way... I'm not sure what good the dagger dash is for now since it's kinda risky and people wait to attack you wherever it lands.

For those that reached master with arya this season, what do you generally use the dagger for?

[edgy bear]

ive only come back to arya but if they wait to punish dagger just recover normally

also, dagger up air is still true

[loud meteor]

I always zip past the target and it whiffs when I try that

[winged rain]

Up air not up special

And no they took it out the game in S3 mid seasons

It's still a good recovery tool and most people don't know that it isn't like how it used to be

So you can throw it on someone and get them to dodge around

And potentially go into burn out

[odd crane]

I usually go back to the stage with it or follow up with up air, nothing more to do with that, got nerfed to the ground

sometimes I also to dair as soon as I get there to start a ground combo, but that's not a true follow up so most times it doesn't work

[gaunt kite]

Top 5

[loud meteor]

dang, ok

I miss being able to lift with it

[narrow crypt]

im curious

why do yall rely on jab + up special + dair so much

[edgy bear]

wdym by rely on? use a combo? they just using this combo more this season honestly

[loud meteor]

because I can't dagger dash + up special + up air anymore

[marble matrix]

How dare you play the game.

Shame.

Disgusting.

🤢

[twilit ingot]

She actually has a ton of whiff frames compared to most characters on a lot of her other moves so they generally are only used when they are very likely to land rather than throwing them out.

[narrow crypt]

i mean like every ayra i fight its that alone

is there any other variety of combos other than that?

[narrow crypt]

good to know

[narrow crypt]

how would yall feel if i said that your combo game is absurd, because the main combo (jab, up special, dair, nair, repeat) can last up to 120

like how do i put this

your moves should have more knockback ig???

[edgy bear]

she kinda doesnt ngl

its only like, up special, neutral attack and dtilt

besides that, i could simply mash dodge

[edgy bear]

there are, but they're either too hard, not worth, too specific, or not being done

ppl just do that one cz it has nice dmg output and can kill rather early

[narrow crypt]

so what would happen if that mainstream combo got nerfed

[edgy bear]

ppl would do some other labbed combo, or go back to something else

its like jakes spamming nair, it gives them the most out of everything they could do

[narrow crypt]

i understand

ayra and jake need those in order to be viable

without them its just not good

[edgy bear]

no, jake does

but it makes the game easier for arya essentially

[narrow crypt]

so ayra is good without that combo?

[edgy bear]

every character has those, and i would kinda consider it to be bread and butter "combos"

[narrow crypt]

well i know that but i feel like ayra's bread and butter is too much butter and not enough bread

[edgy bear]

yeah, but it would make u feel even worse if all they did was jab upspecial sair/uair

[narrow crypt]

here hold on

#clips message @edgy bear do you think ayra should have stuff like this

to me personally, i dont find it fair whatsoever because it racks up damage and is a confirmed kill

and it all starts from a quick jab and thats your guaranteed win, because her jab does not have any whiff whatsoever

[edgy bear]

i do, i think their real problem is dmg output and kill power

[narrow crypt]

so you think those should be nerfed significantly?

if thatd be the case id be fine with that

[edgy bear]

not too far, but enough as to make her struggle to find consistent quick and ez kills

[narrow crypt]

oh my god finally someone who gets it

[edgy bear]

and also work with her kb and follow ups a little so she doesnt combo a little too well

[narrow crypt]

because currently shes just purely on a whole other level of bullstip

no commitment needed just wait for the jab and youre golden

but if you rework her with that and give her more approach options then itd be so much more of a respectable (my opinion) character

[edgy bear]

i honestly still think she is, or maybe its bias of the work i see them do

i just think she gets rewarded too much

[narrow crypt]

She does

And that’s what sucks about it

The current Arya encourages running away until your opponent whiffs and then you set your jab out

That’s what most if not all Arya players I’ve seen do

And I asked about it long ago and they said it’s because they don’t have approach options and that made me understand it but hate it at the same time

[edgy bear]

Just the game really, and some of aryas combo moves are easy to punish is why I'd assume

[edgy bear]

yeah dtilt was too broken so it got nerfed

wasnt great anyways, you could parry it fairly easily

[narrow crypt]

That’s why they never set those out first unless it’s to catch someone, jab is the main starter

Because it’s the fastest she has

[edgy bear]

yeah

harley is kinda just the same

[narrow crypt]

She’s just in need for more options is all

[narrow crypt]

Haven’t seen a lot of Harley

[edgy bear]

dtilt gt nerfed, jab is slow, sair kinda hurts aerial momentum, so you just camp

[edgy bear]

surprising, have the new players finally dropped her

[narrow crypt]

More like the dudes who spent their time in beta and “pros” dropped her and went for higher ups like Smith or Arya

Don’t even get me started on smith

[edgy bear]

im not entirely sure abt that

only one i saw switching was like shiro or muah, i dont remember which played harley

a lot of them still play harley, and they ONLY play her

[narrow crypt]

The soldiers

I always have a respect for the low tier character players

[edgy bear]

harley is not a low tier @-@

[narrow crypt]

Imo she kinda is -3-

If u gotta camp out ur opponent that means you have little to no approach making ur character not dat good

The difference between ayra and Harley is that ayra’s punish game makes up for that

[edgy bear]

not being able to approach is a character flaw, and trust me, i see her flaws, but she has an amazing way to use her win con, and camping isnt that unfavorable for her

[narrow crypt]

Well yea, camping is just a Wild West draw game

If that makes sense

[edgy bear]

ig yeah

[marble matrix]

first you go left then you go right

did they whiff?

yes?

okay we attack now