Arya Stark

[tropic willow]

when you learn basic things on arya
you get 80% of her potential

just like that

[winged rain]

If that's how you wanna play then sure

But not meaning to break the rule but most Characters you can learn the basic things of them you basically know the whole character

Yes arya is easy to learn

But you won't be seen as a skilled arya for a while even me myself I don't think I'm a skilled arya compared to some other guys

I just play the game a lot which is why I'm # 112

[tropic willow]

im playing with guy called sveet on daily basis

mayby you know him

[winged rain]

He's the best arya

[tropic willow]

yes

[winged rain]

Yeah I talk to him sometimes he's pretty chill

[tropic willow]

and he not doing much more than average arya

he is good

i will give him that

but its not that best finn vs other finn mains lvl of diff to other players

he is just a bit more patient

and spams roll more

[winged rain]

The Issue is that before all these nerfs arya was the top of A tier back when Buggs WW and Joker were super over powered but once they got nerfed a good amount of meta slaves wanted a new broken character

And it seems arya has been placed as that

And so everyone who wants a broken character that's easy to start want to play arya

[tropic willow]

arya was broken from the start
but was not as broken on first sight as joker and ig

[winged rain]

And like WW and Buggs she'll get a few hard nerfs and move down to B tier or A tier or something like that

[tropic willow]

nerf her roll
give her a bit longer whiff times
and im ok with other bullshitt she have

just stop her from being as idiotproof as she is now

[winged rain]

I agree

I rather not have meta slaves on my character

[whole willow]

yes i agree nair is not as good as people make it out to be. solid move but isnt that reliable to combo with since it maybe leads to sair/jab but most of the time they can dodge

which is why dlight is used so much more because u can dodge cancel into jab 80% of the time

i do think dlight is overtuned though, 1 bar of dodge metre is actually insane

comes out faster than dodge cancel into jab so why tf would us aryas use dodge into jab when we have the better option

and the whiff is pretty nonexistent

[winged rain]

Dodge jab is very useful as an arya

If you can catch a jab on your opponent you can go into your combos

down tilt > dodge Jab > face steal > dodge jab > up special > airwalker plat > jab > up special > depending on Di you can go into Uair or Sair

Also her basic combo jab face steal jab

Works much better when you do jab face steal dodge jab

[grave elbow]

im trying to do this combo but cant do the second dodge jab

[winged rain]

just practice doing jab face steal dodge jab

until you feel comfortable doing that

[grave elbow]

okay

[winged rain]

i can send a reference clip in dms if you'd like

i'd have to make it real quick

but its a useful combo

[grave elbow]

thatd be great if you could

[winged rain]

i'll make the clip real quick

[grave elbow]

alright ty

[craggy depot]

Arya is the "choose to lose" character of this game

[whole willow]

yes ure right i meant more as an approach tool rather than a combo extension

[winged rain]

Wdym lol

[craggy depot]

You choose when to lose with arya, that's literally all

It's the new kazuya mishima of this game, it was shaggy but now it's arya

You learn the combos? Congrats, now you don't need to learn neutral with her so you can win anytime you want

[winged rain]

You make it seem like they won't nerf down tilt lol

Like istg I hear nothing but complaining over a move that will get nerfed

Trust me every arya here knows you guys hate it

We don't need you to randomly come in here and tell us once more

[hoary plank]

S tier downplay

[craggy depot]

We still don't know lmao, look how much they took to nerf joker (and he still S tier)

Or even IG

He had a 0 to death on every patch

Also nakat is using arya just now and oh man, you know what happened with wonder woman

[winged rain]

That's a new character and also he's broken due to a broken kit he will always be S or A tier did you want them to completely gut the character?

[winged rain]

And they gave her back that whip thing this patch 💀

[craggy depot]

At a jack or agent smith level? yeah, cuz I didn't feel in any moment that something was unfair about them

[winged rain]

ig is too big for a fighting game he'll always be broken until they take him out the game

[winged rain]

Wdym

Jack hasn't had any nerfs

[craggy depot]

Cuz he is pretty balanced as a new character, maybe annoying but just that

The joker case was nasty

[winged rain]

Yeah because player first games doesn't know how to make a balanced assassin without making them trash

I'm not sure is joker an assassin?

He moves like one

Point is player first games listens to the community

They killed buggs

People cried about him

They nerfed ww somewhat

And you don't hear people crying about her anymore

And now it's arya and eventually they'll nerf her too

[craggy depot]

I hope so cuz really, it was fun to play against her before but now it's not, it's really nasty the things she can do and how many 50/50 she can do (like up special into sair)

I just hope they listen to everyone and she gets a little bit of whiff on down tilt

[winged rain]

Glad you aren't the people calling for completely gutting her lol

Yes I agree down tilt needs to be able to be punished more

Punishable

[native bloom]

i don't struggle vs her with joker i said

you just suck

gotta be

[winged rain]

Both of you had bad takes

I just play arya became I like sword characters and I like cool looking combos

Like you gotta admit at high level play of arya they are cool looking combos

[native bloom]

what are you even talking about

unless you not talking me

i just wanna know how y'all crying about arya so much over TNJ

[winged rain]

Ayra has broken moves

Every atya knows it

[native bloom]

so tnj don't?

[winged rain]

Didn't say he doesn't he needs his loops nerfed

[native bloom]

going from 0-70 insane

[winged rain]

But also saying the side special needs to be an instant telaport is crazy

[native bloom]

it always been

and always will be

you can legit dodge it if you time it right

only right nerf for arya is down tilt its busted other than that she honest af

[winged rain]

I can sorta agree

[native bloom]

fin killing at 30

but people complain about arya

[winged rain]

Yeah

Because meta slaves play her now

[native bloom]

arya bugs been my main since beta

[hoary plank]

Her hurtbox is scuffed

She falls out of so many attacks for no reason

Attacks even phase through her

Issue not unique to her but happens more frequently against her

They need to fix it

[native bloom]

gizmo

fin

do also

all small character does

but i agree need to be fix

[hoary plank]

Yeah small characters have really stupid hurtboxes

Gizmo has dumb hitboxes too

Like 99% of the hits I receive from Gizmo aren't even hitting me

Ridiculous character

[native bloom]

shaggy damn near all moves hit full 180

batman just spamming down kick dodge

superman just spamming the up move and dodge out of it

all that needs to be punish

[hoary plank]

Honestly all the beta characters need to get a massive whiff increase on like half their kit

Basically none of the beta characters are punishable

Batmans dive kick also has no commitment even if they added whiff to that he would still dodge out of it anyways

If they forced you to follow through with it he'd be cooked off stage when using it

[native bloom]

yep

hit top 80 arya time to take a break getting boring fighting all them sweats

[tropic willow]

im literaly just bellow top 100
Playing vs best eu players and holding my own

and you probably strugling to hit plat while playing the most op character in the game 💀

[native bloom]

Struggling?

I’m top 40 Arya

Diamond 3

[polar jetty]

Buff Arya shes bottom tier

[native bloom]

Facts

Buff her

[snow dome]

Onb

[tropic willow]

im im master and still losing to this parody of character

[polar jetty]

Shes needs to kill at 60 instead of 80

[polar jetty]

Who do u main?

[tropic willow]

garnet

i know its not bet match up
but i just hate when she can make milion mistakes and dodge out of every of these mistakes

[whole willow]

garnets not winning against arya straight up

buff garnet

[native bloom]

You must mean top 100 garnet

You can’t be talking about top 100 in 1s

[tropic willow]

on garnet im top 3

you can look in on leaderboard

xd

[native bloom]

You master what?

[tropic willow]

yes????

[native bloom]

Meaning 1-4

[tropic willow]

5 for now
going higher tho

[native bloom]

I been beating hella master 2-3 and few 1

[polar jetty]

Bro there only 10 garnet players out there

[polar jetty]

Who do u main?

[native bloom]

But that dang IG keep whooping me

He top 15 or something spetrum or whatever his name is

[native bloom]

Arya joker bugs

[polar jetty]

So alll top tiers except bugs

[native bloom]

Been playing Arya and bugs since beta

You think I’m going swap now bc she meta?

[native bloom]

If I wanted to play top tier character I’ll go to Finn, shaggy, IG, gizmo

[tropic willow]

ye i know
but maste is master tho

[native bloom]

Or cheese with Batman down kick

[native bloom]

But what that win % looking like tho

[polar jetty]

There other top tiers than jsut hyphen u know that right

[native bloom]

It’s ez af to rank up

Joker don’t even feel high tier no more

So punishable now

[polar jetty]

Yah honestly he’s like b/c tier

U also play the legit best character in the game.. how are u not masters alr

[polar jetty]

Yah respect

[tropic willow]

62% now

[native bloom]

I wonder if I fought you before

[tropic willow]

if yes probably you won anyway
i would have like 70-75% wr if not arya 💀

[polar jetty]

Yah me to

[native bloom]

I doubt we did I haven’t fought a garnet since i hit plat or diamond they was only in silver or bronze

[polar jetty]

What rank are u?

[native bloom]

Diamond 3 or 4

Went from silver to it today

300 Arya to 40

[polar jetty]

How u not masters alr bro

[tropic willow]

we can play if you want

[native bloom]

In the bed

[native bloom]

Wym how lol I miss like 3-4 days of playing since ranked drop

I’m playing catch up

[polar jetty]

Arguing about mvs on the bed is crazy ngl

[native bloom]

Arguing? Having a conversation

[winged rain]

where you do expect him to be talking about it 💀

[winged rain]

Made it to top 100 as arya

[polar jetty]

Must have been so hard to play as her

She’s so weak

They honestly need to buff her bad

[gaunt kite]

Lol

[winged rain]

C tier at best

[snow dome]

Yh arya needs a buff

[split sapphire]

buff arya

[winged rain]

Glad we all agree

[silver lichen]

Yo I’m a Shaggy main, and I despise this matchup. What should I be looking out for in neutral? It seems very hard to even hit her.

[tropic willow]

Pray arya player is acoustic

Or you doesn't have chances

[polar jetty]

Skill diff she’s c tier and dies at 60

[silver lichen]

Nice try ragebaiter

Maybe next time

[polar jetty]

Everyone else agrees in the chat but nice try

[winged rain]

Try and bait out her down tilt more

If she's over spamming it then space her out and get her to come to you

And then go for attacks

If she's already used her dagger she can't do anything

[silver lichen]

Thank you

[winged rain]

Also I've seen a lot of shaggys go out and do that power up move and then cancel it and dodge inward towards the stage

And go for Sair

I've died early from that

[silver lichen]

Yeah it’s a good mixup

I should use it more tbh

[silver lichen]

Ragebait used to be believable

[polar jetty]

Bro scroll up bro and read

[silver lichen]

Alr ragebaiter

[polar jetty]

Look @silver lichen

[silver lichen]

For someone called #1 ragebaiter, you’re not doing a very good job of this

[polar jetty]

Jsut showed u proof lil bro

[tulip seal]

arya is strong :3

shes very good especially in 1s

are you okay

yeah she dies at 60 but she outputs an absurd amount of damage and has tons of kill confirms

[polar jetty]

1/10 rage bait

Arya is max b tier

[tulip seal]

in 2s

🩷

[polar jetty]

In general

She’s weak

[tulip seal]

are you like

garbage at this game

[polar jetty]

I’m better than u @tulip seal

[tulip seal]

if you say so

i mean I barely play so I wouldn't be surprised

I play actual fighting games ❤️

[polar jetty]

What fighting games do u play

[polar jetty]

Bro took it like a good girl lol

[tulip seal]

kof 98, gg (+R, rev2, strive), skullgirls, sf6, tekken, bbcf, bbtag, dnfd

thats about it i think

there might be some older ones I only play with mates that i forgot to list

but also I go outside so I don't play too often!

[polar jetty]

Wait are u good at those games or not bc now ur saying u go out often

[polar jetty]

What’s rank in this game

[tulip seal]

yeah! masters in sf6, consistently celestial in strive and diamond in dnfd (only sweats play dnfd so I didnt get that far)

but also rank doesn't really determine skill!!

I would say that I'm quite far above average in each game though

the other ones dont have ranks aside from tekken which i have like 20 hours in

[tulip seal]

degrading attempt failed im a girl 🩷

anyways i have other hobbies so being good at a platform fighter isnt really high up on my list of priorities, especially when they toned down what I found fun about the game

[polar jetty]

Oh so u alr take it than🖤

[silver lichen]

Your ragebait is weak, bro

[polar jetty]

Holy yap I asked what rank are u in this game?

[silver lichen]

Who's your Strive main?

[polar jetty]

How I showed proof that very one agreed what else more u want

[silver lichen]

You're really not good at this are you?

[polar jetty]

Good at what bro

[tulip seal]

I haven't really played since ranked dropped!

ive mostly just played casual 2s with my friend :3

[tulip seal]

I play millia!!

and a little aba

[polar jetty]

Oh ok

[silver lichen]

Sick

I play Sol

[west light]

OK, folks. I need help from the stronger Arya players here. How am I supposed to beat jack? I've got a decent or better win rate against every other char but I can't be winning more than 10% of my games against him. Any tips or ideas on what I might be doing wrong?

[hoary plank]

Spam whatever move it is that y'all spam which gives i-frames and a massive combo into kill confirm

You also probably need to camp and edge him better or something idk that's what all the Arya's I play against do and it's the least enjoyable experience while playing this game

[polar jetty]

Yah everything he said the fact that ur struggling is a red flag u literally have the frame advantage against him

[hoary plank]

#1 ragebaiter with the bottom tier rage bait 💔

[polar jetty]

Not even rage bait😞

[silver lichen]

That’s what I’ve been saying fr

[wicked wagon]

how you guys land some of these combos

like you dodge perfectly between attacks

i treid saving my frined from one and i coudln't get him out causse of the dodges

[west light]

So this is the whine about Arya channel. Got it.

[dusky ridge]

anyone tryna 1v1 me as arya im tryna get better at the matchjup

[nova cosmos]

I am once again voicing my opinions about Arya and how I feel she is in the meta:

She just sucks. Arya has been my most played character since the beta. I started playing comp with her and got placed in Bronze 5 because my placement was against a scummy Superman (God forbid), and it feels like every game you have to do EVERYTHING without error, and still only end up with measly rp gains. I know Arya is supposed to be a glass cannon and I have experience with them as a Giovanna main in Strive and a secondary Cammy in SF6, but Arya doesn’t even feel like Glass Cannon sometimes, she just feels like… glass. She feels like high risk but low reward, while many other characters in her class or with a similar playstyle to her just do everything ten times better. Characters like Finn, Harley, Bugs, and Samurai Jack can all chain combos more consistently AND do more damage than her AND take a bit more time to die. I know some higher rank players would disagree with some of the things I have said, which is fair, but I feel like Arya has to do too much in order to do the same thing others can do more easily. At some point, I feel like Arya may be a bottom tier, most likely at high-mid C tier, but maybe at worse just above Velma

[winged rain]

can you sum it up

but yes she is a glass cannon

people say things like there is a 3 move combo that kills 0 to death

or that down tilt kills early which it can't even kill most char

[hoary plank]

Your placement is always bronze 5

It doesn't matter how your match goes or who you fight

You start in bronze 5

[nova cosmos]

Too weak with high risk but little payoff. Combos are a bit inconsistent, compared to others.

[winged rain]

yes

[hoary plank]

Also unfathomable cope because Arya is considered top 4

[winged rain]

i fully agree with this statement

[winged rain]

play black adam as arya

or a black adam vs arya

[hoary plank]

Black Adam is also busted

Hitboxes are uncontestable, he's insanely tanky, has some of the highest kill power in the game, he's fast, he has ridiculous combos, projectiles, a shield that can stop a handful of projectiles making him okay at camping out the campiest of zoners, etc.

Even characters with super big disjoints like any swordie in the game can't contest some of BAs hitboxes

[winged rain]

yeah he's like a tank that can fly

i hate that match up

i gotta spam 20 moves for what he can do against me in 3 hits

but i'm saying arya isn't the only issue

some people come in here and treat arya as the only broken char in this game

and once they nerf her it'll all be good

[hoary plank]

She's not the only broken character but she's one of them

She's part of the problem

[winged rain]

yeah i can agree with that

[rain barn]

Arya is broken? How?

[polar jetty]

I agree with other bro said Arya needs. A buff 🗣️

[polar jetty]

She’s not it’s rage bait

[hoary plank]

One of if not the best ladder combos in the game, her size makes her hurtbox basically non-existent and some attacks that are supposed to be true just aren't (like Shaggy's second jab won't connect, Garnets utilt won't fully land, etc.)
I think it's your dtilt (not sure since I don't actually play Arya) that makes you dodge and attack at the cost of one bar of meter, which is ridiculous since anyone else needs half their meter for that
And you also have insane hitstun allowing you to fully charge attacks mid combo for easy early kills
Arya is easily among the best characters in the game and if you think otherwise you're either bad or just haven't faced a half decent Arya player

[gaunt kite]

Arya main detected

[hoary plank]

You play Morty

[gaunt kite]

Duh its on my name

[gaunt kite]

U play Samurai Jack no?

[hoary plank]

Jacks not as busted as Morty or Arya

[gaunt kite]

He still busted

[hoary plank]

He's not

At all

Lmao

[gaunt kite]

One of the strongest rn

[hoary plank]

Name 3 reasons for why he's top tier

[gaunt kite]

Insane Jab, insane side special, unpunishable moves

Easy😎

[hoary plank]

Unpunishable moves? Skill issue
Everyone has an insane jab, Jacks doesn't combo into much though (especially not any kill moves) making his jab kind of meh, more of just a bit of damage into nothing
Side B?? Insane??? Did you know you can press dodge???

[gaunt kite]

Idk man his side special is really strong takes the entire map they can just spam it that they can actually hit and the jab excuse does not work lol the range is too insane and he can build up dmg over and over till the ledge to spike

His spike is really good but not really a issue

[hoary plank]

If you're getting hit by his jab over and over you should try not running headfirst into it and maybe try using one of Morty's million projectiles that hard counter Jack

[gaunt kite]

Not my fault he has the best jab in the game

Really fast and isane range

Also disjoint

And also

Most of his moves need a hitbox fix

[hoary plank]

Jokers jab is way better

Jokers jab will forever be the best in the game

[gaunt kite]

Oh wow now jacks jab is top 2

[hoary plank]

Nope, Rick has a better jab too

[tropic willow]

acoustic?

[hoary plank]

So does T&J since their jab gives them a loop

[gaunt kite]

the range is better and its faster

[gaunt kite]

Isnt it up attack and Jerry?

[hoary plank]

Almost every move in this ENTIRE GAME needs a hitbox fix (that the devs just wont give us because they suck)

[hoary plank]

Jab combos into his utilt

[gaunt kite]

Idk man it doesnt really counts as one of the best jabs, hes loop is insane tho

[hoary plank]

His jab has a huge hitbox, I've never played a character that can contest it

[rain barn]

Kk. I’ve been trying to learn her and the only thing she’s given me is reasons to uninstall. I’ve also never seen anyone else play her in ladder.

[polar jetty]

Who arya

[gaunt kite]

Skill issue ig

[rain barn]

Yeah

[rain barn]

I mean that’s why I’m here. This is the first Fighting game I’ve played.

[gaunt kite]

K

Starting with a hard character is not the best choice tbo

[silver lichen]

Arya takes skill, but Arya players are the biggest downplayers I’ve seen in this game

Like I’m not saying she’s brain dead easy, but she is very good

[polar jetty]

Nah it’s not a skill issue arya is weak rn she needs a buff

[silver lichen]

Bro tryna rage bait

[hoary plank]

Bro tryna rage bait

[silver lichen]

This guy gets me

[polar jetty]

It’s not even rage bait

[silver lichen]

Alr #1 ragebaiter

[craggy depot]

This week I have seen like 3 people saying that Jack is better than Arya

I don't know what is this world anymore

[rain barn]

Ig. Didn’t really have anyone else that stood out initially. And when things go well, she feels good. Issue with her is I feel like an addict trying to get the next fix

[polar jetty]

Jack is way better than Arya

[hoary plank]

#1 ragebaiter with low tier rage bait 😞

[polar jetty]

It’s not even rage bait😞

[silver lichen]

You mentioned you’re new to fighters, so that’s more of a fundamentals thing than an Arya thing. Just give yourself time to learn the game.

[vague edge]

arya stark deserves iron giant treatment and needs to be removed from the game

[polar jetty]

Skill issue lil bro

[vague edge]

even pros like gsmvoid say arya stark is undoubtedly the best character in the game

[polar jetty]

When did he say that

[vague edge]

livestream tierlist he ranked arya stark above everyone else

[winged rain]

I can agree with nerfing down tilt but she needs her hitstun attacks

Like legit all her combos would be completely useless without them

Like her jab

[winged rain]

Honestly a skill issue can't lie

This also isn't the cry about arya channel

Try #game-feedback

[tropic willow]

you know she is broken
like 30 people from top 100 are aryas

you are delulu af

[winged rain]

Saying she needs to be taken out is a skill issue

Lol

ig was impossible to beat

Literally

[tropic willow]

in 90% match ups arya have almost as much advantage as pre nerf giant

you cant have dodge attack that have 3 frame whiff time

you literaly can dodge attack into dodge into insta dodge attack

[winged rain]

Bruh no lmao IG was broken for the combos that were literally true and did 0 to death which arya doesn't have

Arya does not have true 0 to death combos

And if they are they relay on airwalker

And usually you can DI out

[split sapphire]

Arya nerf soon anyway, won’t last much longer hopefully

[tropic willow]

^

[tropic willow]

You need 1 read to kill someone most of the time
1 fcking read
When most characters need 3 or 4 to have 0 to death
Add the most broken move that ever existed in this game being dtilt, add non existing whiff times. Bcs why should you get punished for you mistakes?
Add 2 hour stun time after up air, you can cast nair to half before these stun ends
AND THIS MOVE KILLS AT 90 FROM MIDDLE OF STAGE
Add fastest jab in the game and combo for 40 damage + mask
You need to touch enamy 2-3 times to get stock

Stop gaslighting people that she is weak

She is 1 tier above morty and joker in terms of being op

[winged rain]

More than 1 read you need to read the second jab because if they DI in it breaks the whole combo depending on how they DI and when it'll break the combo once you get into up special depending on how they DI and which character can also depend on if it even finishes

And I promise you at low precents won't kill

And how does killing at 90 an issue?..

Everyone can kill at 90?

[tropic willow]

killing at 90 from the middle to the side blast zone is ok?

[winged rain]

Superman nerfs too shouldn't be able to go from jab into jab as a true combo lmao

[winged rain]

Literally every character does

[tropic willow]

your mom
not every character
stop gaslighting
like
its not even funny

[winged rain]

I've killed with Velma at 90 from the center stage

[winged rain]

You're gaslighting yourself 😂😂

You don't even know why you're crying

[tropic willow]

with what?
full charged move that some idiot just waled in
or combo from fastest jab in the game

[winged rain]

Cope harder for everyone's sake

[tropic willow]

dont worry

they will nerf her

this patch

and you know it

[winged rain]

Cool story then why do we need to see your little tempter tantrums?

[tropic willow]

bcs i absolutly hate gaslighters defending this disgusting parody of an character

[winged rain]

Yeah so that means we need to see you cry?

Go cry to someone else

[tropic willow]

yes

[winged rain]

Attention seeker lmao

[tropic willow]

i will
with joy
when they nerf her
and you will drop from 70% wr
to like 20

bcs you cannot possibly have less than 70% wr as an arya

[manic eagle]

what do you main frosstea

[tropic willow]

Garnet/wonder woman

[manic eagle]

do you envy arya because your character got nerfed

[tropic willow]

No
Im just getting frustrated meeting her 7/10 matches on rankeds
Doing absolutly random moves and winning
Im playing more garnet than ww so i dont even cry about ww nerf

[manic eagle]

meeting her frequently in ranked doesnt warrant a nerf

nor does you being unable to read an arya thats doing "random moves"

[tropic willow]

But complaining from people
Her being in worst match ups in 90% mu lists

Being s tier in literaly every tier list

[manic eagle]

she was barely changed from the start of launch, it's your characters that got nerfed

[tropic willow]

Ah yes
Famusly op character

Garnet

I still wonder how she slipped under radar 4 fcking patches in a row

Probably bcs joker and ig terror

[manic eagle]

talking about wonder woman

[tropic willow]

I literaly wrote garnet first
I Play ww very rarely

[manic eagle]

then don't say you main wonder woman

brb

[bitter egret]

Garnets the best character in the game what are you talking about

This guy always undersells garnet

That's like his rhing

[tropic willow]

the thing is that arya is the most infuriating character in the game
when im playing vs joker im like
"ye he playing op character, but i made mistakes and i could win this"
vs arya i have.
"why she can dodge right after dodge attack and cast another dodge attack. why she missig 70% of her moves and she can dodge from every whiff"

[bitter egret]

Idk man sounds like a skill issue

All these garnet mains just complain about their character instead of trying to get better

[silver lichen]

So true

[tropic willow]

i have master
you complain about black adam
stfu

[bitter egret]

Idk man sounds like johns

Ad hominem

[grave mesa]

Not gonna lie most of this also applies to Iron Giant.

[bitter egret]

Also considered to be s tier?

And unfun?

What's your point here

[tropic willow]

the thing with ig is that he got 4 nerfs
and if you bait the combo breaker he can be comboed infinitly

helicopter still is broken

he is still high a tier
even low s

but he is not arya
he is not morty
he is not joker tier

[winged rain]

Real

[bitter egret]

Garnets have a little easier time dealing with him since we can bully him around a little

[grave mesa]

Don't let Arya Stark distract you from the fact that Iron Giant is the best character in the game.

[bitter egret]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1009533239339253770/1268235402825699378/my-image_1.png?ex=66abafc2&is=66aa5e42&hm=815c69b4061d26f458de91721f0fb80cbaf5819b5c1e2430ad8ea97cc6e8ce15&

[grave mesa]

Who needs Arya nerfs, when we can nerf Iron Giant.

[bitter egret]

These are my thoughts

[winged rain]

Exactly

[bitter egret]

I mostly play 2s on garnet

[winged rain]

Let's all agree we should nerf IG and move on

[bitter egret]

I do put ig at number one because he's more consistent

Arya dogs on lowtiers harder than anyone else. But ig dogs on everyone the same

[winged rain]

Half of the time you can't do anything against IG

[manic eagle]

nerf IG and buff arya

that'd thr only fix

right @tropic willow?

[bitter egret]

Hahaha no Arya buffs

[silver lichen]

Sometimes I think about the fact that he has Burst from Guilty Gear, and then I get sad

[grave mesa]

It's GG burst but better.

[silver lichen]

It is

Bc you can’t block in this game 😭

[grave mesa]

Cause Strive burst is both hard coded to be unable to kill a character, and impossible to combo off of.

[silver lichen]

It also doesn’t do damage

[winged rain]

Also IG can break any combos with his super armor

[silver lichen]

IG so dumb bro

[bitter egret]

I hate when you have knife on you and you're just no longer allowed to go to anywhere but center stage

[silver lichen]

People really hop on this game and consciously select Iron Giant

[bitter egret]

Ig in 2s is even stronger

[silver lichen]

True

[bitter egret]

His teamate can hide inside the ig

And just. Do whatever

[silver lichen]

Either that or you parry it (I’ve only done this twice)

[winged rain]

They are the type of people to throw their plastic trash out the window while driving

[silver lichen]

😭

[winged rain]

And not care

[bitter egret]

Garnet mains are respectable af

They are lowtier and not even that dishonest

Compared to the people around that tier

I have absolutely no bias :3

[manic eagle]

please tell us who we should nerf and who we should buff

I'd like to know your input

[winged rain]

Most are a bit better than others some go into other character channels just to cry about a certain character to everyone who plays them

[bitter egret]

Yeah screw those guys

On another note

Yall wanna raid the ig server

[winged rain]

Or call people who play a certain character sub human

[winged rain]

What are you gonna raid it with 😭

[bitter egret]

Iron giant players

The ten garnet players

[tropic willow]

i will tell 3 for each
Velma, Banana, Jason

arya,morty, joker

[manic eagle]

buff Jason?

elaborate

[tropic willow]

outside of damage and kill power he have nothing

2 hour end lags

2 hour start ups

slow af

big hitbox

0 projectiles

0 combo game

[manic eagle]

he has combo game, damage and killpower id def enough for a character, obviously he'd have a big hitbox since he has extremely high damage and killpower, if they removed endlag he'd be overpowered

[tropic willow]

what combo game??

he have 2 hits?
that is hard to start bcs his moves casting 2 hours?

[bitter egret]

I mean when you need one jab into a kill confirm why need other stuff

3 hits off a jab that does 30 and kills at 80 is the same as 7 hits that do the same

[tropic willow]

ye
but he have that confirm at like 90 vs light characters

110 vs medium

and touching someone 2-3 times before you can finish domeone as an jason is troublesome

[grave elbow]

@tropic willow Why have you been arguing that Arya is op since 11?? If you gotta complain do it in general or game feedback

[grave elbow]

Also can’t Jason kill at like 50? Didn’t you say that was broken earlier why are you saying Jason needs a buff now

[winged rain]

More like 70 for light characters

[winged rain]

Because he's a D1 arya hater lmao

[grave elbow]

makes sense

[bitter egret]

Garnet just has a hard time in the matchup

So we don't like

But that's only at super high levels of play

So. Who cares

[winged rain]

Mostly cause aryas best match ups are against heavy weights

[tropic willow]

Finn have good match ups against heavy too
And i can win it
Bcs he is punishable

[grave elbow]

finn has an easy 0-death and is hard to punish if they know what theyre doing

also why can jason kill a light at 5? its not a confirm but he still can

[tropic willow]

Ye
Now have rage and full charge move to kill at 5
Gl with that

[grave elbow]

yeah but still, its possible and ppl can fall for it while getting back on stage

[tropic willow]

The thing is arya have kill confirm at like 90 with easy to hit jab

[grave elbow]

its a 2 move 0-death lmao

[tropic willow]

What we talking about

From middle of stage

[grave elbow]

so what?

gizmo and finn (that i know of) have a 0-death, a lot of characters have a confirm at like 70 and probably less, and jason can kill at 80 just from jabbing

[bitter egret]

Finns is di able

[grave elbow]

yeah but most ppl dont know how to

[bitter egret]

Gizmos is impossible to escape for garnet

Also if you don't know how get good

[polar jetty]

Buff ig and arya

[tropic willow]

not like arya didnt had when you could use 2 platforms

[split sapphire]

superman will not get a nerf lmao, hes barely A tier as it is, nerfed his nair and sair last patch and the lasers dont even work sometimes, he will get a buff if anything, im pretty sure every character has some sort of 0-30/40 combo, supes is easy to do yeh, but its been in the game long enough i doubt they will touch it

[split sapphire]

hate it when people say this, its not always DI able, its very situational, alot of the time you cant DI out of it, which shouldnt be a thing, it should 100% of the time be Di able , but its not

[grave elbow]

why does that matter?

[bitter egret]

It is for garnet

I've never died to it

[split sapphire]

good for you then

void played flacoco #1 finn many times the other day, on a few characters in ranked, even he said you cant always DI out of it, and also my experience with superman u cant either

arya still best character in the game with downtilt being one of the best moves of all time lmao

[hoary plank]

I hate Arya but Iron Giant was removed because it wasnt possible to beat him
If you got hit, that was it, you lost the stock
You couldn't just DI or dodge at the right time, if you got hit you lost and that was that

[polar jetty]

Nerf Superman ice breath

[wispy talon]

Nerf down tilt for Arya. Make it punishable. It’s so wild that every game I fight a spamming Arya jamming down tilt with their head and immediately dodging after it. Also because you can combo off of it. Literally I have 0 other problems with Arya just nerf down tilt. Make it punishable. Such an abusable move

Other than that character is fine easy to beat

Just make down tilt punishable

[bitter egret]

Oh garnet can't avoid superman. But garnet just survives it

[winged rain]

Honestly I can't wait till they nerf arya

Then I can cook with her without so many people crying

[wispy talon]

I don’t find her to be a big issue. She’s paper weight and dies easily. If you space her out correctly you can definitely win. I just hate dtilt. All I want is for that move to be punishable 😭. If they nerf anything else then idk. Wouldn’t be surprised. WW got buffed when jack came out for some unspoken reason

[hoary plank]

I mean what were you expecting when you picked up a character who makes up a quarter of the top 100 be fr

[manic eagle]

just nerf everyone

[winged rain]

I didn't even pick her up after ranked but okay

[manic eagle]

remove all moves besides jab

[winged rain]

I legit just enjoyed the character

And wanted to play her

Lol

[hoary plank]

I'm fine with this as long as Velma gets nerfed

[manic eagle]

?

you okay?

[hoary plank]

Yes, why?

[manic eagle]

why would she get nerfed?

[hoary plank]

Because I think it would be funny

[manic eagle]

nerf genji

i mean IG

wronjg game

[wispy talon]

Really really think the only reason void said Arya was top 1 best 1 v 1 character is because of dtilt. Tbvh

[winged rain]

That's all anyone complains aboutn

[wispy talon]

The fact that it’s not punishable and she can combo off it I think are the two biggest reasons. That and her dtilt is essentially another dodge. It dodges projectiles and moves and travels pretty far of a distance. An extra dodge that allows you to combo off of and travels a good distance

[winged rain]

They say "oh there is so many reasons arya is broken" then only name down tilt and how Sair kills at 90

[manic eagle]

who's more broken, arya or jack?

[wispy talon]

Not sure if you read my previous message about how I felt about Arya but she’s not an issue. Wonder Woman getting buffed and jokers combos still doing 50 is the biggest problems rn. Like I said. I just want dtilt to be punishable. Everything else would make no sense because she’s paper and dies easily and she can barely kill. Joker can still do one combo and kill at 40 that’s not out the game yet.

Wonder woman’s armor is GENUINELY a get out of jail free card

[wispy talon]

I think jacks fine. The only problem is his blade and jab having extended disjointed hitboxes. I swear I get hit by his slash move when I’m above him, behind him or not even close to him. His jab reaches further than mr fantastic

[manic eagle]

his side special is so spammable, and the hitbox is misleading, I don't really mind as i can just dodge it but he raged side special is just broken

cant dodge cant get out of range

only option is parry

and his edgeguarding game is broken

[wispy talon]

Spammable? Yes. Punishable tho? Yes. Normally I just move out the way although I’m with you on the hitbox. His hitboxes are definitely disjointed

[tropic willow]

For me its the jab and spin
Side b is so easy to punish

But this kick is nasty

[bitter egret]

Nair? Intresting.

The kick is crazy

The side b is still stupid strong tho. It's punishable vertically but most times I just choose to keep avoiding it till they stop doing it

[tropic willow]

Just dodge throuh it

Its not active frame
Its one hitbox

Its marked so much its not hard to dodge

[bitter egret]

I mean that's fine in 1s but not viable sometimes in 2s

[wicked wagon]

i wasnt trying to whine. i just want to know how she works

[bitter egret]

It's a top tier. Whose gonna be like. Guys I think Arya is actually b tier

[winged rain]

It's not about that

Just this isn't the cry about arya channel

[bitter egret]

Hey I never complained about ayra I was just here to troll fross

[winged rain]

That's easy though

Just say arya takes skill

And he'll lose it

[bitter egret]

Every charactwr takes skill

Even iron giant

[hoary plank]

Yeah Arya is probably the best character in the game tbh

If I get hit over like 70% I lose the stock automatically

[bitter egret]

I play 2s. Ig still better there

[polar jetty]

Cope arya is b tier she needs a buff

[hoary plank]

#1 ragebaiter with the low tier rage bait 😞

[polar jetty]

It’s not even rage bait😢😞

[bitter egret]

It's 100% rage bait but it just feels like sad

Try saying she isn't top 5 and then maybe you'll get more people to fight it

Cause then atleast your saying a tier. Which is still to low but yk

[hoary plank]

Or also don't tell everyone you're rage baiting with your name idk

[bitter egret]

My rage bait is saying garnets top 1 and saying Velma isn't bottom 1

[polar jetty]

Legit not even rage bait tho

[silver lichen]

You are very bad at this

[grave elbow]

is the arya stark channel just complaining about arya stark

[silver lichen]

Yeah

[bitter egret]

Exactly I'm not a rage baiter. Just someone who really enjoys using troll tactics

And aryas cool in my book if they are using airwalker

Love seeing those combos

[silver lichen]

They’re cool when they’re not happening to me

[winged rain]

It has become that

Aryacord is the only place where you can get advice about playing arya now lol

[grave elbow]

Yeah lmao

[gritty mauve]

Arya

Ground Down Attack
– On-whiff cancel window delayed 10 frames
Air/Ground Neutral Special

• Fixed an issue where Arya’s facesteal of Rick could cause a desync

[west light]

Do you have a link?

[hoary plank]

This server was never a place you could get ANY advice

No matter who you play or what you're asking

It's just not possible

[winged rain]

Yeah I'll send in DMs

[bitter egret]

WRONG

Garnet is great

Top player is in chat all the time

Rare garnet ws

🪨💎♦️💎♦️

[polar jetty]

Aryacord is crazy work😭🙏🏾

[mellow sorrel]

Can I get an invite

[polar jetty]

Ofc ur invited

[mellow sorrel]

Bet send the link

[polar jetty]

So I don’t have the link but I can invite u a diddycord which is basically the same thing cuz everyone knows if u play Arya ur might as well jsut be shouting ur gay

[mellow sorrel]

My Arya is like lvl 2 bro I barely play her

[polar jetty]

So ur bi?

[mellow sorrel]

Sure bro 😭

[polar jetty]

Bet u want in on this diddycord or what?

[hoary plank]

dFzNEjTuf2

Paste this into the server join thingy

Its the link to the Aryacord

[mellow sorrel]

Appreciate it

[winged rain]

Do you really want it

[winged rain]

What happened to the arya love 😢

[winged rain]

No one asked 🗣🔥🔥

[vale imp]

How down tilt feeling y’all is it bad?

[mellow sorrel]

Someone sent it already

[winged rain]

Feels better imo

More like her other moves

Rather than just too fast

[polar jetty]

Still feels like ur droppped the soap in prison imo

[silver lichen]

💀

[buoyant rock]

so you work for PFG and your spreading misinformation

[winged rain]

If you needed down tilt to win you knew this was coming

Lmao

[buoyant rock]

her neutral game isnt good beside downtilr nair and dash attack what are you on about

she relies now solely on jab1 and airwalker

being in 24/7 burnout as a result of this isnt the best

[silver lichen]

Now you know how Superman players feel…

[polar jetty]

Bros complaining about his character being not being op anymore

[buoyant rock]

anything above gold in ranked is filled with nothing but top tier and meta so yea its kinda makes it real unfun

[polar jetty]

There are some a and b tiers up there but I getchu

[winged rain]

Honestly I haven't felt off

[buoyant rock]

i been facing nothing but finn, joker, and jack

its so tragic

[polar jetty]

What rank are u?

[winged rain]

Diamond 5

[grave mesa]

Nice change

[winged rain]

It took a little getting used too

But besides that I'm good

[polar jetty]

With arya?

[winged rain]

Yes

[buoyant rock]

depands if you runaway and do nothing or actually approach

isnt bad if you dont approach

if you do not so fun

[winged rain]

I do approach

Some match ups you have too

[polar jetty]

I doubt it All Arya’s play the same

[winged rain]

They don't

[winged rain]

Look man if you genuinely think down tilt needed no way to punish and normally I don't like to be rude to fellow arya mains but it's a bit of a skill issue

Down tilt needed the nerf

[buoyant rock]

what she needs is ability to approach

her and morty were made by one move

[winged rain]

What's your rank

[buoyant rock]

now her and morty got pooped on

[buoyant rock]

133

[winged rain]

She's not the best in the game anymore

[buoyant rock]

high plat 1

[winged rain]

But she's not bad

[buoyant rock]

finn was still better

[winged rain]

You can di out of Finn combos

And just bait him out

[buoyant rock]

it takes one prediction of di to die

and his neutral and matchup chart is insane

[winged rain]

Also arya isn't a very agro character

She's a more defensive based character

[buoyant rock]

thats the issue because in beta thats all she was

[winged rain]

She wants to rush you down but she isn't meant to rush down

[buoyant rock]

her whole kit basically screams agro

its not that they did it intentionally its just that only one move is good so people changed playstyle

in beta dtilt was never even really used

now game is slow and it was her only option

[winged rain]

Idk just me personally a few weeks ago I learned to stop relying on down tilt

So I wouldn't have this issue

[buoyant rock]

playing so patient just isnt befitting of the character

i just want ability to play aggro

a decent neutral excluding dtilt

[winged rain]

I agree

But this game doesn't promote aggressive playing

At least not for arya

[buoyant rock]

it does for top tier which is the issue and honestly why i feel theyre so good

finn in 1s has such good advantage

and joker

really good ppl rn have good ahh jab 1s and agro ability

[winged rain]

The way I play arya is defensive with brust of aggression

[buoyant rock]

its honestly the only way to go

straight agro will make you lose

she cant support it

js lemme get some compensation😢

[winged rain]

Yeah and it's even harder in dittos

If you want I can invite you to the aryacord

[buoyant rock]

oh yea mirror is just downtilt and dash attack central

[buoyant rock]

theres a whole seperate discord?

[winged rain]

Yes

It's quite active actually

It's not an official mvs server

One made by arya players

[buoyant rock]

oh yea that would be dope

[winged rain]

I'll send in dms

[buoyant rock]

thanks 🙏

[winged rain]

Np

[polar jetty]

Bro she’s still a top tier lol

[winged rain]

Low*

[polar jetty]

Yah ur right she’s c tier now

[winged rain]

I mean in actuality

I think she's still good

But she's not S+ tier

She isn't best in the game

In my opinion

You can't spam down tilt to your hearts content

And not get punished

[hoary plank]

I mean who's really better? Any contenders for top 1 got bigger nerfs than Arya

[winged rain]

Joker

[hoary plank]

Joker is strong but Arya does way better with her whole kit

[winged rain]

Genuinely I bought him season 2

He's easier to play than arya

[hoary plank]

Well when all you have to do is land the best jab in the game for an instant 50 damage, I think he'd be easy

[winged rain]

I won with just Jab Jab up tilt using that over and over against a WW 💀

His jab literally sucks you in 😭

[wispy talon]

Diamond 5 besties

[winged rain]

It's hard to get out of diamond 5

[wispy talon]

Facts especially with the current way you earn RP. I get 7 each win. Even when I beat other diamond 5s. I get like 5-7 rp. Best out of three just to win 7rp but lose 13 seems counterintuitive to the whole point of making it best two out three

[winged rain]

Best of 3 is so toxic now

I just can't stand it getting chessed by a wonder woman

Then next match just to get slapped around again

[wispy talon]

Like why would I spend even more time out my day doing a whole entire set just to win 7 but lose 13? Really seems to defeat the purpose

[winged rain]

Idk the game feels like it punishes you for being good

If you're too good the hidden MMR will put you against master ranked players

[wispy talon]

Yeah her armor is a get out of jail free card

[wispy talon]

Yeah I hope they fix the rp system. Make it to where if you lose constantly or on a losing streak you probably don’t earn as much RP. That makes more sense than doing a dragged out set for only small penny’s

Also it’s forced so you can’t one and done which I’m not against

[winged rain]

I also wish depending on how well you did in battle it'll reward you with more rp

I 3 stocked a morty

I should get more points for that

[wispy talon]

^^^ Yeah like street fighter does. Like if you’re on a win streak then maybe you get a bit more to. But idk i feel like people will find a way to cheese that. The difference is that in SF it’s more balanced than this

[winged rain]

True

[wispy talon]

I was with you until you said this. I disagree with this. 3 sticking your opponent just means you outplayed them completely and just punished their mistakes. People shouldn’t gain more by doing that. Again people will find a way to cheese this system to climb

[winged rain]

Idk I just hate how I keep getting put against match ups I struggle with over and over

Like why can't it be random

Instead of 3 black Adam's in a row

And 2 ww

And 2 aryas

[wispy talon]

Welcome to diamond 5 the high ranks. Would you like a menu? 😭😂

[winged rain]

Basically 💀

[wispy talon]

We are in the high ranks. We are gonna run into nothing but

Finn
WW
Joker
Arya
Iron giant

Bro I ran into like 10 Finn’s. It boggles my mind this character hasn’t been touched yet

[winged rain]

I just wanna hit masters and be done

Masters 5

And I'm done

[wispy talon]

Me too. Luckily when you get to masters you can’t de rank from their because it’s the top rank rn

More fighting games need to do that

[winged rain]

agree

Because once you hit the top rank

Idw to play anymore

I'm good going against major try hards

[wispy talon]

Once you get top rank you can’t de rank from there. I can’t imagine playing a fg that de ranks you from a rank that took you multiple levels of training and adapting to get just to lose it

Defeats the purpose

No one is gonna play ranked if you de rank from top to diamond 😂

[wispy talon]

Same. Just keep losing to Finn. I can’t stand it. The 0 to death and the charge move and the extended hit box that’s hits you from a mile away drives me insane

His jab hits you from New York to Texas

I don’t understand that

[winged rain]

I just bait him out

I keep losing to black Adam

Like it takes 20 moves for what he can do in 3

[silver lichen]

Ya ragebait is weak asl

Bait harder

Be better

[polar jetty]

Skill diff 😭🙏🏾

[polar jetty]

Bro hop off my nuts bro like damn

[winged rain]

Reallllllllllllll

As according to ChristXpher "if you get hit as arya you're just bad"

I just gotta train better fr

Time to lock in 🔐

[silver lichen]

No way the #1 ragebaiter is letting me ragebait

Alr I’m done trolling

Real talk, I think Arya players in here complain as much as the people who hate fighting her

Y’all playing a top 5 character acting like she’s bottom 5

[winged rain]

When have i?

[silver lichen]

Not you

I just meant in general

I just don’t like downplayers

I’d rather talk to a delusional Velma player who thinks she’s top 5 than like an IG player who thinks he’s bottom 1

[winged rain]

Most arya players won't say she's mid

Expect the ones who spammed down tilt

[silver lichen]

Alr maybe I’m just biased bc of this server lol

I’ll take your word for it tho

[winged rain]

We just don't appreciate being told we are terrible at the game because we play a certain character

Or being called sub human because a cool clip

[silver lichen]

Nah I get that

It’s mad annoying when people make assumptions just bc you play a certain character

I just don’t like when people downplay an obviously good character just bc it’s their main

I agree with your point completely though

[upbeat aurora]

Bro how do you play this game now ? I've been taking too many Ls in ranked since I got back to MVS

[hoary plank]

Edge your opponent the entire match and try to punish whiffs

[upbeat aurora]

You mean edgeguard ?

[hoary plank]

That's one way to take it

But no what you wanna be doing in neutral is play footsies

You wanna space them out until they make a mistake and then punish them for it

[upbeat aurora]

Alright... But she doesn't seems fast enough to make up distance and then dash back to the opponent... But if you say so

[hoary plank]

That's what playing footsies is for

You get just out of their range so they screw up and you punish them

Before the recent patch, Arya could also just spam dtilt since it had no whiff frames but that's not the case anymore I don't think

[native bloom]

How noticeable is the Arya nerf for down attack

[winged rain]

It isn't

[winged rain]

You can't spam down tilt

[polar jetty]

Pretty noticeable

[tropic willow]

Holy
Arya is punishable now
So nice feeling ❤️

[winged rain]

Okay?

So we don't need to hear the crying from you anymore

[tropic willow]

yes

[untold spade]

It's a easy parry

When did they patch the hit stun for face steal

[polar jetty]

Easy parry my ass let play and see how many times u parry it

[untold spade]

Lol ok

[untold spade]

What's your rank?

[polar jetty]

Gold 2 now wbu ?

[polar jetty]

Wya gang

[azure scroll]

is jab 1 face steal dash jab 1 not true ? feels like i drop it a lot but i might just not be quick enough on the trigger

[polar jetty]

Depended on di

[azure scroll]

it's true at earlier percents rather than later but i just picked her up yesterday so y'know still learning

[polar jetty]

Let help u out bro jsut stop learning her bro

[azure scroll]

i dunno bro this character mad easy i have like a 90% winrate on her in ranked

[silver lichen]

Fr

Arya too broken

[vale imp]

She is she’s still really strong like ww(I play both yes im a rat Ik)

[azure scroll]

only reason i picked her up is cuz she's top 1 imo

[silver lichen]

Play an honest character like Shaggy or Black Adam fr

[vale imp]

I just like swordies not like I can’t play anyone else

[winged rain]

Bruh

People like this are the issue lmao

[polar jetty]

What rank are u in

[winged rain]

Legit this is sorta why fighting games are ass now

[polar jetty]

Both shaggy and black Adam are not honest

[polar jetty]

As long as u know it alr lol

[azure scroll]

i mean yeah but at least i admit it, i have fun when i win and arya compliments my playstyle anyway

[polar jetty]

I can kinda respect that lol

[azure scroll]

plat V right now still getting 40 rp a win tho i'll be diamond soon

[winged rain]

I picked her up because she was the character I was genuinely interested in I didn't pick her up because I thought she was meta

You're only playing her as long as you think she's no 1

I play arya because I enjoy the character even if she was ass I'd play her

[polar jetty]

Bro took the easy route 😭🙏🏾

[azure scroll]

i'm not insulting you or anything, our ways of having fun/picking a character are different

and besides i don't see her getting nerfed substantially anytime soon

[winged rain]

She will mid seasons

[azure scroll]

not a waste of time investment especially if/when she gets em to masters

[winged rain]

I imagine they'll nerf her Sair Kockback

[azure scroll]

even then i don't think that's what makes arya top 1, she's a bait and punish character in a game that heavily rewards that playstyle over anything else

it makes sense as the best bait and punish character she'd be the best overall

imo at least

[winged rain]

Yeah I know which is why 90% of battles is just waiting for a opening from both players

[azure scroll]

and arya has some of the best ways to take advantage of those openings

good character and i'll play her until she's not

hate me for it i'm just here to get to masters for the jack skin and that's it

[polar jetty]

Both Y’all are scum there u go

[azure scroll]

real

[silver lichen]

I know I was joking lol

[silver lichen]

Nah bro they’re honest trust

Just ignore the killing at 80 part

[polar jetty]

And the insane frame data

[silver lichen]

It’s ok bc Arya beats them both

You should be ok

Also Black Adam’s frame data is just ok

Not insane

It just seems good bc he can fly away with up b so that people can’t punish startup

[tiny knoll]

I stopped going for jab 1 face steal tbh

[azure scroll]

i usually only do it for the early percent damage

but most of the time i forget i can even do it

[tiny knoll]

I am stuck at Diamond IV

[azure scroll]

i'm only plat IV but i stopped grinding for tonight

keep matching against diamond/masters players tho

[tiny knoll]

1 to 1 last hit can still make you lose 30rp

😐

[azure scroll]

yeah it sucks, my friend lost 40 after a set earlier

[tiny knoll]

in diamond?

[azure scroll]

she's in silver which is the crazy part

i haven't experienced any major RP loss since i started playing arya tho

i think my most lost was like... 5

[tiny knoll]

no way

did she move the decimal point

thats disgusting

[azure scroll]

it's awful

i genuinely don't understand why you lose more than you win at some points

[tiny knoll]

I just need some consistency

[polar jetty]

It’s based on rank and stuff but that’s how it should be so not everyone is in masters

[tiny knoll]

I lost 30 from a player higher rank than me

[azure scroll]

i think it's just a bit too harsh right now, like you can go on a killer win streak and still only get 10 per win -30 per loss

[polar jetty]

What rank are u

[azure scroll]

Plat IV, done grinding for tonight tho climbed all the way up from Silver

although my RP gain is still a lot higher than my loss right now

[polar jetty]

What till rank but 1s or 2s u lose and gain more with 2s than 1s

[azure scroll]

i've only played arya in 1s so far

[native bloom]

i love first game on i lose 26 to a master 1 while i'm diamond 4

[tiny knoll]

It’s always either master or gold

[native bloom]

why in the world we getting the same rp from B03 that we got BO1

[wispy talon]

Yeah no it wasn’t. Glad they nerfed it 🙏

[azure scroll]

chat we just beat the #4 Arya on leaderboard in the ditto 😔 🙏

[azure scroll]

We've reached diamond chat

[polar jetty]

lol nice name tho

[azure scroll]

i know what i'm about

[vale imp]

I just looked at your pfp💀

[hoary plank]

I like how mid tier is literally the only accurate ranking

[polar jetty]

What about it💀

[vague sinew]

do y'all enjoy sitting on the other side of the stage running back and forth doing nothing all game

im not mad because i lost, i win most of my arya games including the ones against campers but oh my god its so mind numbingly boring

[hoary plank]

Arya mains dont play for fun

[vague sinew]

i was just about to say that

this guy was camping like his life depended on it

[polar jetty]

Yah they have the best frame data and still won’t approach

[shell drift]

Arya hit stun is entirely broken

Can’t wait till she gets gutted.

[jovial delta]

yes the combo character has combos

[winged rain]

Someone lost to an arya

[polar jetty]

She’s broken lol

[jovial delta]

I havent played the recent patch but her combos arent the problem

[polar jetty]

Whats the problem than genius

[jovial delta]

Her down attack is too fast and too safe. Down attack is basically her only good engage tool which means arya is encouraged to play passive.

[polar jetty]

So what are u trying to say

[jovial delta]

U cant read?

[polar jetty]

I’m trying se what ur getting out

So we agree that she’s broken

[azure scroll]

Tbh I don’t think she’s gonna get nerfed anytime soon, not saying she isn’t broken she’s the best character in the game imo but I’m doubtful

She’s not oppressive like pre-nerf WW or Joker was, just annoying

[twilit ingot]

Arya is what the game should be. She has a bunch of tools that work well with each other. The basic stuff is easy for everyone but all the "broken" stuff are near frame perfect and you have to react to di. The brain can't even think that fast so you are reading your opponent based on their habbits. More characters should be like Arya.

[azure scroll]

Chat it's over, we've reached masters

[vague sinew]

this is garnet, not arya

arya wins for free by camping and whiff punishing because her mobility is so good and her kit doesnt allow for anything else

[azure scroll]

i mean to be fair, that's the name of the game every good character has a strong ability to whiff punish it makes sense that arya would be good because of it

not saying she isn't busted, i think she's top 1 uncontested but that's just MVS game engine

[vague sinew]

all characters have that potential but aryas kit is the only kit built entirely around it, making her by far the lamest and most boring high-level playstyle

[azure scroll]

i mean what can you really do about it ? she's not an overwhelming top tier like pre patch joker and WW were and it may be boring to you but i've grown fond of it

[vague sinew]

she absolutely is an overwhelming top tier, just not as overwhelming as ww and joker

and might i remind you, joker is still overpowered lol

[azure scroll]

i mean yeah i know that i think he's still top 3

i don't know how they'd nerf her tho, she's literally built for MVS

[vague sinew]

if the character ditto is just two people running back and forth on opposite sides of the stage all game i wouldnt say she was built for mvs

[azure scroll]

that's how every character plays unfortunately, it's everyones biggest complaint

[vague sinew]

it really isnt

some characters actually have to approach!

[azure scroll]

the passivity of MVS isn't arya's fault, she takes advantage of it the best

[vague sinew]

🙄

[azure scroll]

typically characters that are forced to approach are worse than those who don't

[vague sinew]

you are part of the problem

the game isnt built around camping lol

[azure scroll]

i don't like it either man, but that's just how top MVS is played

i would much prefer a rushdown meta but the lack of good defensive options doesn't allow that

[vague sinew]

because all the top tiers can only do that

joker, arya, morty

all of them are campers!

all three of them!

[azure scroll]

i mean yeah, but they're not unbeatable by any means

just annoying

[vague sinew]

by low tier?

s

yeah theyre unbeatable