game-feedback

[eternal moon]

Why did yall give finn a buff on speed

[eternal moon]

Why do his hits send u so far back this is what I am taking about whan i said yall be buffing characters that don't need it why can black adam hover so high up in the sky .He should be able to hover mid air

[eternal moon]

Why is Nubia staff is to long it takes almost the whole map come on and on top of that most of her move stun u. Nerf her

[eternal moon]

Jason grab move just pull u into it u can be going the other way not close to him and still get grab

[mossy hill]

Meanwhile i got 0 2v2 matches like completedly

Wdym..... before u can even lost 32-40

They change it to 19 max

[eternal moon]

Yall need to buff Harley why is she a light hitter mostly all of the characters stronger than her i can name a couple that are stronger that shouldn't and even with speed.yall still didn't give her update since the beginning every body else getting update and buff .Her spaciel is getting to slow and all her spaciel are getting taken over that is stupid give her some new specials. She has different weapons too u know

[mossy hill]

Tbh harley still on top tier tho

Tho lil bit trickier to use unlike befofe

Like u have to play around IAD

[eternal moon]

@mossy hill she just need an update she seems sluggish.

[mossy hill]

More to overall game

Lile

I felt jason is top fast now

Also just spam his special shield

[eternal moon]

@mossy hill jason and finn

[mossy hill]

That took 2 hits to destroy

[mossy hill]

Ehhh fin only fast when hes on air also when he attacking on ground

The rest he is so slow on certain cind

Til he buy the speed buff

Ughhh

[eternal moon]

Yeah and her spaciel don't come out quick it is to slow u will get hit most of the time

[mossy hill]

I wish thry just brought back OG velma neutral special

[eternal moon]

They are buff people that doesn't need it

[mossy hill]

Is it the bat doll?

[mossy hill]

Well like rick and ppg

Doesnt need much changes

And they did regardless

Now rick is oppresive zoner and ppg just ppg

Like nubia dont need buf now

People start know how to play using her

Since her gamestyle is punishing enemy

[eternal moon]

They need to look at all the characters to see who need changes and needs a nerf

[mossy hill]

Velma getting shet on for 2 season im row

[eternal moon]

Nubia weapon takes up mostly the whole arena

[mossy hill]

If u notice ajax tweet

U might consider using ms dinkley next season

That tweet giving velma buff hints

[eternal moon]

Iron gaint is another one

[mossy hill]

WHICH NEVER HAPPEND IN SEASON 3

[mossy hill]

Just completedly rework him

Or make him smaller like in beta and lighter

[eternal moon]

Boy dash the whole arena and his arm spinning last for a while

[mossy hill]

Literally all the IG i face

They know velma cant do jack shet

But ik their trick up in their sleeve

Cuz i faced rico (who is GM IG in previous season)

[eternal moon]

And Harley can't really either and u will get stun

[mossy hill]

We literally have to bait his up special then use Sair

Or u can use Nair

[eternal moon]

Sometimes u can't even doge

@mossy hill About to have me want to break the controller giving some of the characters mostly stun moves

[mossy hill]

Legit that IG isnt fair af

[eternal moon]

If u going up against gold you should be able to take a lot because they do it to you in rank

[prime bane]

Worse part, all IG players act like he's so bottom. They be rubbing it in your face like they should be proud. "I beat you with three moves, lololol, you suck"

[lusty sparrow]

can ya do somthing about ranked 2v2 in the australian server? its been empty for weeks. put a bots in there or somthing. i dont think anyone cares at this point.

[spare iris]

Tl;dr game isn't fun

[slate jetty]

lol

[mossy hill]

And theres velma that legit even worst than IG

[queen ingot]

Shields were a mistake. My fights have felt so much slower since they've been integrated.

[olive pier]

Do you play 1’s or 2’s?

[queen ingot]

Both, but it's definitely worse in ones.

[olive pier]

Was just about to say. 1’s is just like that because 90% of the player base don’t know what neutral is so they just run the entire time or just sit there and shield. Who do you play as?

[queen ingot]

As of now mostly Garnet

[granite star]

Hey PFG,

I've been getting an increasing number of novice-level ragequitting partners from the matchmaking channels in this discord. I think that many of them are new players trying to pick up this game, but the matchmaking is pretty brutal for them. I have seen instant ragequits from these situations:

1. Losing to tough opponents
2. Teammate sd's to lose the game
3. We lose, but I get 3 kills when they have 0

I'm not sure if you can make your SBMM stricter, but I have a quick-fix solution for ranked play. This is intended with the current character-specific ranking system in mind:

• Player ends season in gold or above -> starts new season 1 tier lower
• Player ends season in bronze or silver -> starts new season in same tier
• Bronze rank players can no longer match with gold rank players

The reason for this change is to keep the bronze ranks protected, so that brand new players can at least try a character before getting thrown in the deep end.

[olive pier]

Use her projectile and see what your opponent does. If they shield you can run up and shield break, if they don’t, you can probably get them to whiff and then punish them or just use an armor move. Either way you can steam roll with garnet in 1’s. 2’s will depend on many factors.

[mossy hill]

pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeee let me matched against some people idc if its gonna be NA/EU as long as i didnt crashed

esp in master ranks

[high goblet]

I’m referring to season 3 the points where much better than the garbage we get now in that season if you lost to low ranks or masters you only lost 7 points max compared to the 16 points loss regardless of the opponents rank it’s stupid

[mossy hill]

i think thats caused byy MMR

cuz

season 3

i barely able get -8

[high goblet]

Also bugs pie needs a massive nerf why does it have so much knock back even at zero I’ve run into so many bugs players only spamming the pie while they’re partner protects them it’s incredibly toxic and not skillful hopefully they nerf it soon

[high goblet]

Nah it wasn’t that I went from gold to masters much more easily that season now it’s hell because of the terrible point system and match making I’ve run into multiple grand masters and still lose 16 points and if it’s a low rank player even your own rank at times you gain 7 to 14 points it’s creates an unnecessary loop of losing and gaining points that isn’t fun at all especially with the toxic spammy play styles

[mossy hill]

i felt last season just overflood the RP

like rn its much more balance

[high goblet]

It was much better last season than this the player count is quite evident of that

[mossy hill]

yeahhh it was bettter for this type player count

but last season its kinda overflooded

like

some people who didnt deserve master, reached master cuz too easy

this season its much balanced

but too balanced i will say

[little aurora]

Find a way to nerf Jason's grab while on the wall to get rid of the infinite loop, maybe make him fall at a normal speed while grabbing or something

[vale basalt]

I still think we should be able to go training while waiting an arena matchmaking

[sonic folio]

you can

[vale basalt]

Huh? I don't remember that being the case, because every time i try to go back to the main lobby i go to the arena lobby instead.

[sturdy dagger]

You have to charge for knock back and speed and you have to spawn it in advance.

The fire rate is quite slow too AND there's only on screen at a time.

Also LeBron can have four basketballs on stage and their teammates can passively relaunch a faster projectile with strong knockback. (No charge required)

[sturdy dagger]

---

Please Put gleamium 10 to 50 gleamium in the chest as well if you're going to continue Rogue Rifts.

[sonic folio]

oh i just noticed you meant arena specifically and not just in general, yeah that one you cant, sorry lol

[vale basalt]

lol that's ok

[heady agate]

NERF HARLEY’S ENTIRE MOVESET PLEASE SO ANNOYING TO BATTLE AGAINST HER!!! Nerf her combos, NERF HER N-Air HitBox so it doesn’t hit the opponent from Behind and make her Hurtboxes LARGER!

[high goblet]

It’s way worse Thu it’s annoying af for 2v2s if you didn’t see that part

[high goblet]

I don’t know if your master or not or if your just don’t play 2v2s It’s not like it’s any better this season I’ve fought multiple masters who just spam they’re way to victory they don’t deserve it either and the game is still horribly balanced Jason is a huge problem with his tilt to death Combos and super armor grab spam , Nubia is op and underrated same with Rick who has combos that can get you to 60 in no time the ranked is still a hell hole full of spammers ruining the points solves nothing it just makes mor people uninstall this garbage

[high goblet]

And your top 1 with Velma so you kinda underestimating just who bad ranked is this season

[next trellis]

it’s hilarious how broken jason is. he can do 50 damage in one second

[mossy hill]

I am master , you can found me in 1v1 velma but i hard stuck gold CUZ I GOT 0 MATCHES ON 2V2S

And i can see people just spam the same move

Which looking at SUPERMAN spamming armor moves and grab

[high goblet]

The rank system is garbage this season and this game will be dead next season if this keeps up

Quite frankly it deserves it this is what happens when the devs are tone def idiots

[next trellis]

Haha lebron characters too, they spam that one armor move that he does with his shoulder

gold is so annoying to get out of

[mossy hill]

Oh ground neutral

Ehhh

[next trellis]

lebron is the most frustrating character to play against in 2v2s in my opinion. insane amount of projectiles, armor moves, ability to teleport, use fire … just overly strong

only low skill toxic players who spam the ball as much as possible to make it impossible pick lebron

[mossy hill]

I even use velma and saw someone just spam ball nonstop

[stuck cave]

Delete Star Contenders and Stomp. These modes stink

[next trellis]

yepp high elo lebrons always do that. he needs to be nerfed

[slate jetty]

very much so, even though you can "only" have 4 balls on the stage at a time doesnt stop them from being able to spawn a new one at them to pop you in the face real quick

[sturdy dagger]

LeBron legit should only have two on screen including the one he's holding.

[slate jetty]

I would say yes that would be nice

[next trellis]

it’s so annoying, and on top of that his knock back is extremely exaggerated. he needs to be nerfed

if he gets nerfed the game will be more enjoyable

[gentle perch]

Having Steven spawn a watermelon or ppg on the screen is guaranteed lag

[prime bane]

This game is so poorly made. PFG deserves to fail. 2v2 is a nightmare. Win the first match, despite incompetent teammate, while getting all 4 kills. They rage concede, because trolls are real, and I lose 20 points.

This starts happening A LOT once you get close to master. It's like there is actually a genius code inside solo queue that pairs you with the most toxic and/or trash people undeserving of their rank the closer you get to the season finish line

[tulip forge]

I'm not sure if this is a bug or a feature, as I'm not sure what's going on to cause this, but sometimes when I play a 2V2 mode, after the match is over and I get to the results screen, the game will just automatically either force-join me to the teammate's lobby (with the message "Joining Lobby"), or force-join the teammate into my lobby (with the message "[Player name] has joined your lobby") without any clarification if I want to join beforehand.
It's really annoying, because sometimes the game will automatically force the game mode to the plain 2V2 mode after you leave the lobby, which is not a part of the Event Queue section I need to play modes on to for the always occurring "Deal 400 damage on a Event Queue mode" daily mission. I'm not sure if it's the "Invite to Party" button at the results screen being treated like an "auto-join lobby" button or not, but finding out that you only completed the "Deal 400 damage on a PVP mode" mission because some person from your last game auto-joined your lobby and you quickly had to leave it without realizing it automatically changed your mode to the plain 2V2 mode is really irritating. If this is a bug, I just hope it gets fixed once Season 5 starts, but chances are that it doesn't get fixed.

[blissful garden]

Man fk I feel your pain 10,000 times and it was darn tormenting

[umbral elm]

Fix Agent Smith already, his stuff is so incredibly inconsistent and it never hits when it should

like I effing LOVE getting scammed off games because FOR SOME REASON, my attacks just don't connect

[prime bane]

PFG doesn't "fix" anything unless the scrubbiest top-tier-only players cry. It's why the balance is so bad. They only listen to the loudest comments and decide almost nothing for themselves, because they are not gamers and don't care. They are whale fishing for people who actually buy gleamium and that is it. Abandon hope. This game will be dead pretty soon I think.

People downplay Bugs like he's not busted. But he can cancel all of his recovery into shield. Go from shield into close range combo starters with instant startup. AND he can camp from across the stage, forcing you to approach.

[slate jetty]

thing is though.. pfg personnel do play the game. Its just they are part of the "scrubbiest top-tier"

[prime bane]

Fair enough

[slate jetty]

dumb question, but there is a setting that's in options for "auto join team" after match. Is that possible enabled? I myself had "only friends can send invites" enabled at some point

[tulip forge]

I don't think I can auto-join lobbies, at least on my end. There's not a button like that after the end of the match.

[slate jetty]

if the option is checked in options it'll just do it, thats why I asked if it is, sometimes the game just does random stuff idk lol

[mossy hill]

Like how velma van got nerfed cuz that 1 batman video lol

[umbral elm]

every top Smith player was asking for him to be reverted to Season 2

if they reverted the neutral B buff, he would have been fine

but NOOOOOOOOOO

of course not

they never listen

they just do whatever

instead of reverting bad changes

[sturdy dagger]

His moves are genuinely low priority with absurd whiff lag.

He's a setup character that needs space. Bugs isn't just gonna approach you. You need to smother him (use some caution obviously)

IDK how people complain about Bugs, there is genuinely more egregious stuff amongst the roster.

[umbral elm]

Bugs is still easily top 5 or 6 though

like EASILY

top 5 or 6

he's INCREDIBLY consistent

has INSANE kill and combo power

and so on

[slate jetty]

I think its more when you play against Bugs mains where it gets absurd tbh. Bugs CAN do some wakey things, though yeah there are worse characters out there with more absurd (and even easier bull where you dont even have to learn the character in the first place)

[umbral elm]

yes, he's not as stupid as Rick, PPG or Harley

or Marcy

but he's still top 5 and on the same tier

try playing a character like Smith, where his hitboxes are RNG based

because that's what it feels like

it literally feels RNG based

I can literally be right up against someone

and have my attacks not connect

even against people in burnout

he's also the ONLY character in the game that can't antiair with jab

the ONLY ONE

[sturdy dagger]

They over corrected some moves

[umbral elm]

his jab 1 into jab 2 into jab 3 is not true

for some reason

his gun drops

like I hit people with a perfect side B read

on the edge

at 100+ damage

and they survive because only the first shot hits

and they hit mew while firing the rest

way to effing go

[sturdy dagger]

People randomly not dying seems to be a general issue. Like I can up attack a light at high percentages with Bugs and they stick around like..... wuh

Speaking of hitboxes Marcy has some obnoxious phantom contact on up special and down special.

[umbral elm]

nono, you don't get it

it's like

you hit the gun specials

they hit

and it does no knockback

or you get no regs on the last 1 or 2 shots

(the ones that actually deal knockback)

so even if you do EVERYTHING right in that situation, you get punished

like

[sturdy dagger]

I really do hope the next update addresses these things. And purge instant parry on whiff.

[umbral elm]

you do what you should

and still get punished

then you have characters like Nubia and Beetlejuice

who have literally 0 effective whiff

they have 6 frames of whiff on many attacks

for reference

the fastest attack in the game has a 6 frame windup

so it's LITERALLY unpunishable

[sturdy dagger]

Whiff cancelling is genuinely dumb too.

Low whiff becomes virtually no whiff.

It's like one pip of bar too.

[umbral elm]

As I said, the problem is not that the game has or doesn't have shields, the problem is that some things have 0 effective whiff

Shields won't solve that

They can still mash into shield

With 0 way to counter it

You just give them more tools to mash, because they can instashield after whiffing

I just got a bunch of OOS no regs against PPG

They have a big hurtbox and it still doesn't hit

Way to go PFG

Way to go

Point blank and it doesn't hit

It doesn't hit a large hurtbox

Bravo

[sturdy dagger]

Turns is such a fundamental thing.

Like super baseline fighting game stuff.

In MVS a character can hit like a truck and never stop swinging. The few risky moves they have can just be cancelled.

[umbral elm]

that's the problem

they can cancel the strongest moves

because they have insane frame data and hit like a truck

[sturdy dagger]

I swear if the "combat overhaul" is literally just the game being faster with zero thought put into interplay 🫤

[umbral elm]

An example is Batman's dash vs Garnet's dash

Same frame data

Batman's is a kill move

that kills crazy early

Garnet's doesn't

you have moves that are too fast

[prime bane]

I guarantee that is all it'll be

[umbral elm]

and give WAY too much value

Shaggy's entire kit and BJ are prime examples

same with Nubia

[prime bane]

They released the game and took it offline for a long time to give it a redo, and brought it back still meh. Then they systematically made it worse with almost every patch. PFG just doesn't know what they're doing and I think it's pretty plain to see.

[umbral elm]

also, they say they want to speed the game up

while giving more stuff to stall

and adding whiff to dodges

(which does not take into account dodges used to space moves)

and makes them useless for chasing zoners down

they also don't make moves come out faster

don't fix whiffs

[prime bane]

That's the biggest problem with this game imo. You HAVE to use chunks of your dodge bar for positive spacing against certain characters and play styles. They only ever took this into account once, when they made it cost less, and left it only after that as if it fixed the problem.

[umbral elm]

exactly

you can't use it for spacing or for chasing anymore

it made the game slower

[prime bane]

That zoner, run away, fishing play style is way too strong to allow it to go unpunished.

[umbral elm]

also, autotechs made everything worse

they should be optional

so you can choose

to use them or not and actually introduce mixups

[prime bane]

The truth is that they have no answer to the problem. Outside of simply copying ssb.

Which I wouldn't even mind, but I know a bunch of others would

[umbral elm]

You can for instance make moves come out faster

Add a minimum whiff

That's longer than enough startups

[slate jetty]

why is batman dash the only dash that has armor brake innately baked in it and a huge hit..honestly is pretty dumb

[umbral elm]

and it's fast as well

also, remove airwalker already

[slate jetty]

true, it is fast and a double hit lol

[umbral elm]

you finally got rid of Last Stand because it was too broken

AND YOU DIDN'T REMOVE THE PERK THAT'S ONLY USED FOR 0TD ROUTES

WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING AT THE BALANCE TEAM

SERIOUSLY

WHAT THE HECK

WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING AT THE BALANCE TEAM?

there's a reason brackets had to ban that

they also had to ban Rick's Polymorph

WHY IS THAT NOT BEING ADDRESSED?

[umbral elm]

because Ajax is a Batman main

that's why

look at the characters the PFG guys play

and you'll see a pattern

[sturdy dagger]

It's AgGrEsSiVe

[umbral elm]

they never get nerfed

they are consistently stupid

they have the stupidest hitboxes

the stupidest combos

they are consistently high-top tier

and their bugs get fixed INSTANTLY

[sturdy dagger]

A lot of native armor breaks are pretty free. But amor is free too, except Garnet.

[umbral elm]

oh, and before I forget

whenever they have a character that is strong against them

insta-nerf to the counter

it's ok to have a balance team that plays the game

what's not ok

is having a balance team that balances to make their mains better

[sturdy dagger]

Did anyone actually counter the DC characters at any point in time?

[umbral elm]

many were strong against Batman or WoWo

WoWo is still meta in 2's irrc

[sturdy dagger]

WW shield should just be a deflect and push block. Rn it just the "approaching beat everything" attack

Covers her backside too

[umbral elm]

her shield is not the most broken part

the stupidest part is her FREE Nair

and the fact that all her moves hit 360 degrees

you can't punish from behind

[sturdy dagger]

The trade for heavy hitters is supposed to be walk speed but they all can Di their ass anywhere pretty fast.

With *air attacks

[umbral elm]

Garnet is literally as fast as she was in beta

[sturdy dagger]

Pizza cutter moves should be punishable on whiff in general.

[umbral elm]

same with WoWo

you have TANKS that are faster than BRUISERS and ASSASINS

then you have MAGES that are BETTER AT MELEE THAN THE MELEE CLASSES

Rick being the worst offender

he's better in melee range than pretty much all of the melee characters

[sturdy dagger]

Personally I think Garnet is fine besides clap and Nair needs some more recovery.

[umbral elm]

also, all 360 degree moves need to have slow whiff

hot take

they have the MASSIVE upside of hitting from all sides

they should have that downside

[sturdy dagger]

Raven being "get off me" the character.

[sturdy dagger]

LeBron having a better projectile game than the dedicated range characters is also funny.

[umbral elm]

yes

also, Bugs literally has frame 1 OOS options

[slate jetty]

it irritates me about that, his "jab" being like the best in the game because its "throw the ball" and ball is just...so good 😐

[umbral elm]

and a Nair that lasts for longer than the dodge window

so you literally can't dodge it because it's a multihit

and lasts for longer

Finn's Up B was reworked, it's insane that Bugs'' Nair hasn't yet

[sturdy dagger]

Instant point blank force projectiles, throw two back to back ... Why not

[slate jetty]

right?

[blissful garden]

1- Improve the cel shading and lighting to this game and it's models have it be more vibrant and colorful cartoonist style.

2- Please improve the maps and refine them. Don't make them too annoying to move, too big or too small. Have some major background movements in those maps as well to make the maps look less stale. You could also have some gimmicks depending on each map and background.

3- Please focus on improving your user interface. This UI needs a major remake. Adapt to expressive vibrant style of cartoonish art to it.

4- Focus only on one battle pass per season. Having two separate battle passes with repetitive rewards like badges and perk exp isn't rewarding.

5- Improve your rank system. I'm being honest here and not exaggerating that spending 30 hours just to climb from division one to master was the most depressing time I had playing any game. It's not rewarding to win only a meger amount like 6 to 8 points while losing 14 to 19 at a loss.

6- Improve Fighter Road by giving the players the choice to choose who they grind for. Give new players instant access to at least 5 characters of their own choosing, so new players can have incentive to play.

7- Give more access for player to communicate and form connections in game. game chats, game voice chats, guild system, worldwide chat box.

8- Elusive skins are just pointless please remove them. Returning and new players who might be interested in spending money for those skins won't be able to buy them. Prime example myself, I'd love to buy the superman Clark Kent skin but can't .

9- Improve Rift by removing unnecessary difficulty levels and rift gems. Give unique rewards like gelimum and skins for completing rift stories to entice players to play them. Let us matchmake in rift so we can form a party easier to play together.

10- please Improve your hitmodels and hitboxes. Many characters still attack from behind. My superman hitboxes can whiff against small models.

[sturdy dagger]

Most multi hits do, but that's mitigated by just dodging in the right direction.

[blissful garden]

11- please refrine shield it's hard punishing ppl who spam their combos then use their shield repeatedly. Have a time limit of shield activation with a visual representation like smash bros and please add a way to destroy shield faster in ground and in air.

[slate jetty]

there is a move that instant brakes them on ground

[umbral elm]

Still, multihits shouldn't do that period

Same with Shaggy Nair

[blissful garden]

In my honest opinion it's not fast enough in comparison to the player that can deactivate their shield quicker and attack you

[slate jetty]

you are able to do it pretty fast if you are coordinated enough.
also you can bind the move itself to a single button so you can just press it and throw out the move as fast as a jab

[umbral elm]

It's not an instabreak

It's low priority and slow on purpose

[slate jetty]

im not saying shields are perfect, but I do think they are nearly on par with smash shields now imo

[sturdy dagger]

The problem is the whiff cancelling not the shield. Before shield was added people would insta parry.

[blissful garden]

In execution it doesn't work and simply the truth is almost none can use it effectively. Played around 70 hours since the shield has been implemented and there barley any players that use it and it's not like smash bros where characters have an effective grab ground move to stop it and it's duration is very long

[slate jetty]

the move literally breaks the shield in one hit. but it doesnt cause burnout, difference. it has high whiff but it is actually fast

[sturdy dagger]

Depending on the character, some shield breakers are ass

[slate jetty]

reason people dont use shields like smash is because multi didnt start with it. People are set in the ways of "dodge" for this game.

[slate jetty]

true enough

I've noticed that too, bugs has a pretty far ranged one, while...some others really do just suck..super close range and such

[umbral elm]

the problem is that they tried making Rock Paper Scissors

[sturdy dagger]

Marvins uses his sair that usually requires momentum to make contact. Zero reach

[umbral elm]

but didn't add Paper

shielding is literally a +3 interaction in favor of the one shielding

especially on characters with good OOS like Bugs

[blissful garden]

Also there's many characters who depend on Ariel combos so having no way to break a shield in air is a major disadvantage to many characters

[sturdy dagger]

Multiversus RTS: Oops all Rock

[slate jetty]

can I ask what the "Rock Paper Scissors" is in Smash..when not every character has a near instant shield break move?

[umbral elm]

Bugs for example literally has FRAME 1 OUT OF SHIELD ATTACKS

[umbral elm]

grabs

you can't have shields without grabs and throws

[slate jetty]

alright true...

[umbral elm]

shields counter regular moves, grabs counter shields, regular moves counter grabs

even then

a guessing game isn't realy a skill bassed thing

[slate jetty]

but they are starting to add grabs in the new characters....all they ned to do is fix the ones that dont 😛

[sturdy dagger]

Also very few soft spots on attacks.

[blissful garden]

Like they have the capacity to do that anymore. The best way to fix shield is to remove them and fix characters spams

Thats all

[slate jetty]

im fine with shields tbh, I want the damn balance to be fixed...thats been a day one beta issue with the moves...at least in beta they HAD attack decay to combat it

[sturdy dagger]

No, it was dumb not to have a basic defensive mechanic. Limited dodges vs. infinite attacks.

[umbral elm]

The game was fine before they slowed it down, that's the issue

[sturdy dagger]

It wasn't fine it was just free.

[blissful garden]

Then best second option I can think of is to have limited shield def points to it

So everyone start with 30 or more after it breaks its gone for the match

[umbral elm]

It was fine before they overtuned the heck of some things

It was fixable

[sturdy dagger]

How many Harley sairs is that

[slate jetty]

yeah no, thats not a good idea at all actually. like saying you have 30 dodges once you use them you cant dodge the rest of the game

[blissful garden]

To be honest it's better than players keeping spamming it after they land their combos every time and it'll give players who use to learn when to use it and not spam it

[sturdy dagger]

Or you can learn not to rush in the second they end their combo...

[slate jetty]

they need to fix the spam..its a really simple thing, but PFG just doesnt want to do it

[blissful garden]

The game is passive enough waiting for them to attack isn't the point of a fighting game

Not fun

[sturdy dagger]

It's passive because attacking is low risk and mostly high reward.

The solution is actually having people eat their veggies(whiff/recovery), instead of cancelling everything.

People are afraid of being touched as well, because it could lead to being dragged off screen.

So they run, and whiff, and run....

[slate jetty]

also, I mean in smash (and yeah im going to keep smash as a comparison due to it being one of the most successful of this genre) cant you do your combo then put up shield right after it? its about learning your opponent and playing around their style. (unless its spam...I mean there are ways to out smart spam its just annoying having a character do the most free moves ever)

[blissful garden]

True but in smash you had throws and grab to counter it and shield has a visual effect showcasing how long it is

[sturdy dagger]

Yep people defending themselves is a fundamental thing you should figure into your game plan in literally any fighter.

[slate jetty]

the shield in this game has a visual of how long it has, its not free. and it eats stanima like candy

[blissful garden]

I'm using superman so my shield break is soo darn slow that player can instantly deactivate it and attack me. Plus because I'm using superman I really can't use shield since it rely on counter meter

So characters who don't use their dodge meters like tanks are in a disadvantage because of it

[umbral elm]

you literally have 3 command grabs

[sturdy dagger]

His literal gimmick is, instant armor and robbing people by carrying them of stage.

Why wouldn't people block.

[blissful garden]

And characters who barley need to use it who are the main reason for the shield implementation just keep spamming their attacks and don't rely on it so when they finish their combos they then use it to walk off to attack again

[umbral elm]

Superman has 3 command grabs, you'll be fine

[slate jetty]

lol what I was thinking when he started talking about Superman 🤣

[blissful garden]

You guys pls play superman first hand before judging and actually try it

[sturdy dagger]

Tell me I'm wrong...

[slate jetty]

I have him at level 15, I played him, I know how he feels and I know how Superman mains play him

[blissful garden]

His air grabs aren't effective in actual match against shield

You can spam his air side special and try to grab and the players can see it and react faster than you can land it

[slate jetty]

bro what....dude use his jab or air neutral for his rush punches..it actually makes it so they have to stay in shield having the stamina drain faster or get punished

also

use his ice breath...it goes through shields -_-

[blissful garden]

They can deactivate it and hit faster

[slate jetty]

no they cant

[blissful garden]

Yes they can

[slate jetty]

trust me, his fast punches are faster than anything they can do deactivating shield and attack

[sturdy dagger]

It really shouldn't

[blissful garden]

Doesn't matter anyways his ice breathe is slow and stacks slower

If he does that you can immediately

Punish

[slate jetty]

yeah, but all status effects can which is funny

[sturdy dagger]

It also makes them slower

[sturdy dagger]

Yeah idk how they didn't address that.

[slate jetty]

half baking things and "deal with it later....maybe" is their unofficial motto

[sturdy dagger]

They're never gonna get the time in a seasonal model. It's the downside to a ftp fighter.

[slate jetty]

really wish they would take a season to FIX rather than add to the mess

[blissful garden]

Shields needs a revamp though still many spam it and there's isn't a proper counter to it

Numbia is the best in this season thanks to shields for instance

[slate jetty]

why because she can spam spear?

[blissful garden]

She has a long counter ground grab and she doesn't relay on dodges as her attacks have longer reach so she extend her combat and shield up

That spam spear is a grab and it's really effective against shields

[sturdy dagger]

personally I think focusing on a whole unified product
with side options for people who want to invest in one or two characters, is a better route.

[umbral elm]

Also, what good is a bug reporting channel if we can't post pictures or any embeds there?

[sturdy dagger]

Post in clips and link it

[umbral elm]

Cuz I just got the "no players and timer being frozen" bug

#clips message

Freaking lovely

I'm getting my points back right?

[sturdy dagger]

That's a connection issue usually

[slate jetty]

yeah, well at this point I think you just need to get better if you think spam is how you win, a lot of people dont spam and can deal with the shields. As we said its playing around your opponent, if they spam sure fine go ahead, but if you're one of those people who use nubia to spear over and over again with no reason other than free long range grab you are part of the problem imo

[umbral elm]

My connection is literally more stable than the average datacenter

[sturdy dagger]

It's not just your connection, you're playing with other people.

[umbral elm]

Then why ahould I lose points because my opponent is playing on Dial Up or something?

Remember when this happened in the beginning of the season?

I lost over 300 rp from that bug

[blissful garden]

Man I just use superman and I wish shield gets improved cause ppl starts spamming and passive playstyle is still a problem

[sturdy dagger]

That's a fair question idk

[umbral elm]

Am I going to get those rp back?

The rp I lost to my opponent unplugging their router?

[sturdy dagger]

People are passive because that's the best thing to do against Supes.

[slate jetty]

pretty sure that can happen when you "play to long" the game is so poorly optimized that you need to restart the game after a while or UE just says "no"

[umbral elm]

Like gotta love having someone intentionally crashing the lobby

And losing rp because of it

[slate jetty]

this is very true, many people expect to be cheesed with superman so they get passive

[blissful garden]

Definitely false a passive superman is the worst playstyle that guarantees a win what are you talking about. I play normal aggressive and the amount of ppl who play passive in this game is still a problem.

[sturdy dagger]

"against"

[blissful garden]

You know that superman can be the most passive play style if ever and it'll guarantee you a win

[slate jetty]

dude...have you never seen a true superman main....oof..they are so hostile and beat you off the map in just a few hits if you arent carful

[blissful garden]

I am a superman main and I'm very offensive

[sturdy dagger]

Omg please read again, I'm losing it

[slate jetty]

if you were like the ones im talking about you wouldnt be complaining about shields right now

[blissful garden]

Just because it's not affecting me doesn't mean that shield shouldn't be fixed and complained about

[sturdy dagger]

[blissful garden]

Shields objectively is not properly implemented and doesn't have an effective counter to it. Characters who use the air to close distance can't break shields on air and Shield breakers attacks aren't effective as it varies from one character to another on how slow they are and their range.

They implemented shields without an effective proper counter to it and thats a problem in a fighting game.

[umbral elm]

they need to be put back in the oven

they are literally raw

it's better to not have a feature than to have a bad implementation of said feature

literally every top player agrees on this

shields were a net negative

[shadow bay]

Never do the Rift thing to get a skin ever again
It's lame grinding and not fun
Or at least
Let us try over and over again instead of 5 a day

It's dumb
Thank you

[umbral elm]

And please give Shaggy whiff

[heady agate]

So Steven’s Not Nerfed Hard yet, I believe this should be the first thing he sees on his bed when he wakes up: https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/steven-universe/images/5/5b/BREAKING_POINTV2.png/revision/latest?cb=20190601031911

[heady agate]

I don’t think it’s necessarily Needed

[umbral elm]

Yes it is

Rule 1 of fighting game balance

For realism and for balance, the stronger a move, the more windup and the more recovery it needs

[prime bane]

People who don't think -blank- needs whiff, or nerf or whatever, general play that character, or play a worse character

The people who downplay on this discord; most of them don't understand that matchups exist. If all you play is Rick or TnJ or whoever, you don't understand different matchups. And I think that is the majority of people.

[eternal moon]

Speed Harley up

Slow swing

[prime bane]

How is this game real life. I get punished for my partner afking. Why does this happen so much when I'm inches from master5?

[eternal moon]

Buff Harley

[prime bane]

200k+ members and the same 50 or so talk any given day. How you know this game is dead in the water.

[eternal moon]

Fix Harley come on

[eternal moon]

Take up Lees hp than everyone on this game

Work on the power leveling

[prime bane]

Sick and tired of having trash teammates in this solo queue. Even if I do link up with somebody, especially from the cord, the first L and they dump their whole purse of toxic teen rage on me.

I just want masters for the skin. Then I'll stop playing the game. Why is the gatekeeping so real just before the masters rank? It's like the matchmaking is intentionally putting me with people who barely play or just wanna have fun, play by themselves. Meanwhile, my opponents are 1000% sweatlords, in a manual team, and one of them is on a dummy account with a silver rank for maximum rp loss on my part.

[molten geyser]

Gonna level with the team: even though I love the arena mode, I haven't touched it since the latest event because there's nothing for me to get. I have all the fighters. I'm at tier 100 in the battle pass. The arena event offers nothing but xp for the pass and fighter road. I need something to keep me invested.

[sturdy dagger]

I shouldn't get a timeout if a random teammate disconnects.

[final tendon]

I really enjoy the idea of the Rogue Rift. I did happen to get the elusive variant on my first run, so it made the grind of it feel a little lackluster (feel bad for me guys). But the power-ups are fun to work with and can make the runs more interesting. I have been in short supply of perk points (the only points I'm in short supply) and I was able to farm some on the runs, so that was nice. Maybe a little more variety in rewards would be nice, but I also did like a mode to grind perk points, so not a big deal for me.

[stuck sable]

You're not going to bring in new players with New characters when they are locked behind a paywall or tons of grinding.

The only way you could save your playerbase at this point is making the characters free. You can make other things cost money, you could even make the skins more expensive to compensate. You would sell less skins per player, but selling any skin to a player is better than not having any players that buy skins.

This huge roster of locked characters is an enormous hurdle for anyone starting this game for the first time. If they started the game because they heard of a new fighter they want to play, they are going to leave when you realize they can't play as them without paying or doing an absurd amount of grinding.

[slate jetty]

problem is they shot themselves already with that, due to giving the character vouchers in the founder pack. This means if they did do that it would open them to a lawsuit

[cyan patrol]

I never really understood this. If you love playing the mode then play the mode. Why do you need some secondary pretend hustle? It's a game for recreation not a task completer for a false sense of accomplishment. If nothing else you still rack up stats like Arena 1st place finished, or Arena ringouts for your badges.

[cyan patrol]

I don't think it's accurate that making all characters free would open them to a lawsuit. There has been ample opportunity to use the vouchers since the founders packs. I'm not a lawyer but I'm fairly certain if you asked one they'd tell you making all the characters free would not be illegal or open them to liability. And the free characters needs to happen because basically no one is going to grind characters they don't like for months just to get one they do

[slate jetty]

there is high likelihood that it does due to the vouchers had cost real money (which they were the biggest selling point for the founders pack) so suddenly making something free when someone paid money for same thing in the past does indeed open up for lawsuit unless all vouchers that were ever given were refunded for something else of equal value

[sturdy dagger]

You can just make everything earnable in game, but have early access through the battle pass.

[slate jetty]

thats what battle passes do in the first place half the time 🤣

[sturdy dagger]

Yeah but then they removed the character....

[slate jetty]

yep...first character of season free for premium BP (which in most cases is free)
"happier" times....they just want to make the game more grindy and more money grubby

[sturdy dagger]

I get the new characters quick now that I have everyone. But I can't imagine starting Fighter Road from scratch.

[cyan patrol]

I get what you're saying but I don't think it works that way. I don't think any lawyer would take that case

[slate jetty]

you'd actually be surprised what lawyers will take

[sturdy dagger]

They need to focus more on cosmetics (skins not loading screen banners) and balancing.

Well hopefully that's season 5

[slate jetty]

true that

[keen obsidian]

Have the daily gem rewards also level up the gems from the previous and current seasons.

[sonic folio]

im sure cases similar to that has happened before. regardless, the threat of a possible lawsuit is still there and would be better to avoid it. the only way i see them making all characters free is by refunding at least some of the money of those who have paid.

like i get you said theres been time for them to use them, but its the buyer's choice when to

[heady agate]

🎶”Gotta get back, back to the nerfs, Samurai NERF HARDER”🎵

[sturdy dagger]

I think once they get rid of weakened an tone down that obnoxious jab 1......

He might actually need knockback buffs on some attacks.

[heady agate]

So what your saying is it’s like it wasn’t worth wasting $100+ over it.

[heady agate]

Pretty sure that’s not the problem, we need to be able to escape those types of Jabs

[sturdy dagger]

Not?

[vivid helm]

how are we supposed to do arena missions if we can't even matchmake? I've had nothing for the last few days

at least feed players some bots for multiplayer mode if other players aren't on for a queue

[vivid helm]

Update. I got into 1 arena so far. Since Arena has started I still have never gotten credit for the "Gain at least 50 gold interest in Arena" mission even when I do it. I also took pics for proof.

[slate jetty]

it does seem you gotta do the arena early if you actually want to do it. Arena doesn't interest me to much..like Ranked now lol
but everyone's different

[buoyant pine]

I used to enjoy Arena before bots

[heady agate]

Bugs bunny needs to be nerfed again

[heady agate]

Time to make SuperMan Side B and Aerial Side B have Cooldown timers like 15 to 18 seconds

[mossy hill]

been complaining all supermans i face just spam icy breath (against most of the projectiles char) also spam armor moves and grab

[mossy hill]

and superman is feels super oppresive against

like dodge cancel attack are really strong now

superman doesnt feels slow lol as tank

and he is kindaa heavy

[gritty zephyr]

Tank Fighters are being too offensive.

[spare iris]

Animations and hitboxes are poorly aligned

You could use a full pass on each

[eternal moon]

How the fu** do u hit theme in they regain recovery that fast

[eternal moon]

Harley should be taking up more hp than what she is doing now. This is why whan a person u know not stronger than the character u have taking up more than u without really doing nothing. THIS IS A BIG PROBLEM IN THE GAME

[sturdy dagger]

There's legit no trade off.

It's supposed to be his walk speed, but he can zip across the stage by di'ing across the stage, dash attack, and sniper punch. Essentially nullifies his slow walk speed.

So he's fast, has instant armor, and hits hard. Not as bad as Shaggy still...

[eternal moon]

Take off Tazz stun move he doesn't need it .

[mossy hill]

thats thte problem tho

and he can ATTACK CANCEL

SOME OF THE MOVES

WHY some char like v elma

cant cancel some attacks

[sturdy dagger]

I honestly think characters should just eat the whiff recovery.

ATM some characters are effectively low risk because they can drop whatever whenever because of cancelling.

[mossy hill]

like

they took those away from velma lol

whats the heck is the logic

seriously

[sturdy dagger]

I can see them not wanting a zoner to be able to whiff and run.

BUT they're also allowing characters that can hit like a truck, or have genuinely low recovery in the first place to whiff cancel..... which is like wtf

A general problem in this game is that powerful characters don't have to commit to much. It's all whiff cancelling and sliding their air attacks back out of punishment range like they're on a zip line.

Then on top of that you can parry and perfect dodge mid whiff animation too.

[mossy hill]

problem is velma side special run is literally commit move

also

arya

wtf man

down tilt is a dodge into attack

[sturdy dagger]

It's AgGrEsSiVe SkiLl ExpResSiOn~

Esports will love it....

Honestly, my biggest interest in season 5 is the combat overhaul.

[eternal moon]

Tazz shouldn't be able to control his dustball attack it is annoying u can doge in get put right back in to it because they can control it

[sturdy dagger]

If you're using Harley just air down special or ground side special. It can be broken by hitting the center with a projectile or disjoint...

It slow too you can out run it.

[eternal moon]

I know but it doesn't be coming out fast enough

[slate jetty]

@mossy hill another sad thing is with superman..you really dont need to practice with him specifically to be "good". (I dont mean to spam his armor moves) as long as you are knowledgeable in dodge cancels and chaining from them you are in the realm of "good" with him...not like the superman mains though they are crazy
I hardly used him but when I went to play him to level him for event boost EZ zipping everywhere

[slate jetty]

dogpile is extremely easy to counter, only time I get caught by it is when I have no projectiles or I mis calculate distance of attacks (or expect the attack to trade differently)...

literally if you have projectiles or long range melee you are fine, otherwise run away. Different story if they combo you into it but at that point its just another attack in a combo

[slate jetty]

btw, when did we hear about there being an overhaul anyway. I dont remember officially hearing about that, only heard it here from others.
(find it funny that the only thing we know about S5 is the combat overhaul, nothing else)

[mossy hill]

I hope they rework tech

Into manual tech

[slate jetty]

honestly, I would like it better to be an "ease of access" option (have auto tech be a setting to be turned on or off, perhaps with an option to manual tech midgame while auto is turned on)

[sturdy dagger]

Ajax explicitly said he's there's gonna be a combat overhaul in his new year post, and Nakat went out of his way to send a clip to content creators about combat changes.

[slate jetty]

i'd be fine if S5 was only overhaul and fixes (if it all goes well) rather than new characters and other garbage

[sturdy dagger]

Worse case scenario it's just to facilitate a higher speed

[sturdy dagger]

It's definitely the most important part. Getting robbed by cheese lords is aggressively unfun.

[slate jetty]

SO true
sees Black Adam or a Shaggy with the "Bruce Lee like" skin and the "number of wins with that character" over 1400
yep getting cheesed

[sturdy dagger]

Pretty much

[cyan patrol]

It's also janky af. Yesterday I faced a Velma that did a run and I hit her from behind and instead of hitting her I got grabbed by the move.

[olive pier]

Want to hear something that makes what you said even crazier that she even has something like this in her toolkit? You can control the distance and what side she slices. So you’re always getting hit unless you’re full screen I believe. It goes decently far.

[cyan patrol]

Revert ranked RP gain and loss back to true ranked. Giving people extra RP so they can more easily get the skin distorts ranks such that people are higher rank than they really should be just because they've played rank a lot. I keep getting Gold teammates that literally the worst performers in every stat when everyone else in the lobby is bronze.

[blissful garden]

1- Improve the cel shading and lighting to this game and it's models have it be more vibrant and colorful cartoonist style.

2- Please improve the maps and refine them. Don't make them too annoying to move, too big or too small. Have some major background movements in those maps as well to make the maps look less stale. You could also have some gimmicks depending on each map and background.

3- Please focus on improving your user interface. This UI needs a major remake. Adapt to expressive vibrant style of cartoonish art to it.

4- Focus only on one battle pass per season. Having two separate battle passes with repetitive rewards like badges and perk exp isn't rewarding.

5- Improve your rank system. I'm being honest here and not exaggerating that spending 30 hours just to climb from division one to master was the most depressing time I had playing any game. It's not rewarding to win only a meger amount like 6 to 8 points while losing 14 to 19 at a loss.

6- Improve Fighter Road by giving the players the choice to choose who they grind for. Give new players instant access to at least 5 characters of their own choosing, so new players can have incentive to play.

7- Give more access for player to communicate and form connections in game. game chats, game voice chats, guild system, worldwide chat box.

8- Elusive skins are just pointless please remove them. Returning and new players who might be interested in spending money for those skins won't be able to buy them. Prime example myself, I'd love to buy the superman Clark Kent skin but can't .

9- Improve Rift by removing unnecessary difficulty levels and rift gems. Give unique rewards like gelimum and skins for completing rift stories to entice players to play them. Let us matchmake in rift so we can form a party easier to play together.

10- please Improve your hitmodels and hitboxes. Many characters still attack from behind. My superman hitboxes can whiff against small models.

.

11- please refrine shield it's hard punishing ppl who spam their combos then use their shield repeatedly. Have a time limit of shield activation with a visual representation like smash bros and please add a way to destroy shield faster in ground and in air.

[olive pier]

This is such good advice that it’s probably not going to happen. I hope it does though

[mossy hill]

bruh

why tf PPG CAN INSTANTLY SHIELD

AFTER MISSING GROUND SIDE SPECIAL

I CANT PUNISH THEM LIKE THIS

like i tried punish them by attacking closer

but cuz nubia has slow start up and PPG has BS range on side special i cant punish them at all

[olive pier]

Use neutral special. It goes through shields

[mossy hill]

ik but i want punish them for missing the move

they usually just spam the side special SINCE ITS LONGER THEN MY NEUTRAL

[olive pier]

You can jump and dodge cancel into nair to punish. It’s only longer if she charges it. In that case, you do have time to react. No PPG should be getting away with side special spamming on the ground. Air maybe but def not ground.

[mossy hill]

too hard fight aagainst PPG using nubia

since i using velmaa most of the time

and yes

they spam ground side special, dash attack

and just camp to spam dash aattack

[next trellis]

the execs of this game are absolutely clueless and horrible communicators. they also hired horrible, inexperienced devs for the UI which led to tons of bugs and confusion for users such as the invite bug where when you can’t join someone’s party. it was clearly out of their capabilities to create a basic messaging and status system so people could see if you’re already in a party with someone, or a whisper system … that’s all on the fault of the execs for having no idea what they’re doing.

the core gameplay is still great and many people love it. the art is amazing, the characters are very well designed and creative. the controls are great, and they’ve made versatile characters that can be used in many contexts aside from basic platform fighting. the people responsible for this on the team are great, but the UI designers and programmers are garbage

[tawdry wolf]

Honestly deserved. This game was treated poorly. By both the community and the devs

This game would've been better off as a pay once and get the full game type of game

Being free to play was a bad move

And it didn't deserve the hundreds of dollars you had to spend on

For all the stuff I could get here, I'd be able to buy like 5+ Smash Bros Ultimate

60+ characters with already finished stages

[vale basalt]

This game had so much potential, really sad to see it is gone

[tawdry wolf]

Potential but horrible execution

Also yo Wobbuffet! When are you returning as a Pokeball Pokemon! You were funny back in Brawl

[stuck sable]

Yeah, fun game at its core with a good roster of characters... but the monetization and grind to unlock characters really killed this games marketability to new players.

[timid steeple]

Give me money back if you losers can’t sell this game to epic cause WB is a bunch of scummy losers

[tawdry wolf]

Nahh Epic sucks

[mossy hill]

if they fiinlly buff velma really hard next season

wow.....

[tired skiff]

Very disappointed to hear this game is shutting down after season 5, but I'm not surprised. This game was mishandled since the beginning, and it's honestly really sad to see such a cool concept be completely wasted. I was one of the people who purchased the legendary founder's pack back when this game was in "beta", and I genuinely feel like it's one of the worst gaming purchase I've made. Idk if PFG or WB Games is to blame for the awful monetization (having to slowly earn or buy characters is NOT the way to go). Monetization should only be for cosmetics and I wish you guys would have adapted and changed to be better. Very disappointed in WB Games and I will not be purchasing anything from you guys in the future (unless it's a genuine new Arkham game lol).

[stuck sable]

I really hope the WB executives know that they were the ones that killed this game by demanding heavy monetization for quick gains.

All the flaws in gameplay MVS would absolutely have been overshadowed by the fun roster of fighters to chose from and care and passion put into making fun and unique fighters... IF new players could actually get to play those characters when they start the game.

Having a huge roster of locked characters that you have to pay for, really kicked new players to the curb and reduced the amount of players that would potentially support this game by buying cosmetics. Not a smart business choice.

[tawdry wolf]

WAIT EPIC MADE RIVALS NVM

[molten geyser]

I'm less upset that the game is ending, I think we all kind of anticipated it, but I am upset that so much of it is just being lost. Knockout City gave players the option to host private servers after the game shut down, why can't we do the same here?

[stuck sable]

Yeah letting this game be available only in offline mode is really quite sad. This is not a game people play for the single player experience 🤷

[molten geyser]

Right now the special game modes are only available either during Wacky Weekend or in a custom online game. Is there no plan to add volleyball or spotlight to local?

And what about Arena mode?

[tawdry wolf]

I just hope that for Season 5, they manage to add Lola, Daffy, Ruby, Wicked Witch, and Aquaman all together, plus all unused stages (Crystal Lake, Primal Lands, Riverboat, Barbie's House, ACME Canyon, and Rabbit Season) and cosmetics. I hope that's WHY they were taking so long, despite apparently having most content ready or close to ready.

[fading lichen]

Give me a refund

[steep cloud]

please dont leave us

ignore the nerds

[tawdry wolf]

Im gonna ignore UR MOM 🤘😎🔥🔥

[steep cloud]

🏀 .

[molten geyser]

Will the final battle pass at least contain enough free gleamium for people to buy the full thing? Considering we can't buy any more of it?

[sonic folio]

at least it has a character now

[cyan patrol]

This is what happens when microtransactions take priority over the actual game. You get a half finished buggy mess and so people leave instead of playing and paying. Just terrible decisions and abysmal testing through and through. It's a masterclass in how to tank what should have been a gold mine. Good luck to whatever you do in the future because I can't imagine anyone will trust these devs with any future games they make

[keen obsidian]

Can we at least have every skin, ring out, etc.., unlocked before season 5 ends please?

[main ocean]

This. At least do a "Complete Edition" if you are going to make the game close down.

[tawdry wolf]

They're not gonna do that. Y'all know it

[molten geyser]

They should, though. In all seriousness.

[tawdry wolf]

Dude that's what Im saying. Most egregious examples are the elusive skins. They costed waaay more than it's worth. A whole Smash Ultimate game + Fighters Pass if you wanted all of them. And only getting the bare minimum prestige points. Horrible decision

[tawdry wolf]

I doubt so. No one's gonna get a refund and it'll just feel like they just stole from them if they gave us everything unlocked

[molten geyser]

We're not gonna get a refund anyway.

[signal crane]

This game would’ve thrived if the characters were ACTUALLY PLAYABLE FOR NEW PEOPLE

[mossy hill]

i only wished they do entire buff and reworks

[kindred stratus]

Well, now that I know this game is gonna shut down, I wanna say this.

I’m overall really disappointed. Both in how this game turned out and the fact that it’s shutting down. I’m not gonna act like I never liked this game, I had a lot of fun with it both during the beta and a bit during the relaunch, but there could’ve been so much more coming out of this game, so lemme explain my full thoughts.

Why would you have felt the need to change the gameplay? The fast offensive gameplay was one of everyone’s favourite parts of the beta, so slowing it down is what I think killed the game fast, but I’m not done there. Why did we need 4 currencies? No other free to play game has this many, it’s nearly impossible to get all of them without grinding or spend real money. The gold in the beta was perfect.

Now the characters. Oh boy… this is also another reason why the game died quickly. First of all, the means to unlock them. Back when fighters currency was still a thing, each character was too grindy and there’s not many characters to start with in the very beginning if you’re a new player. Marvel Rivals having all characters be free was a good decision because they knew grinding for characters wouldn’t be fun. Then there’s the new character choices. There were a few good ones, like Joker, Jason, Samurai Jack, PowerPuff Girls, Raven and Marceline. But why on earth did we need characters like Banana Guard, Agent Smith, Betelgeuse/Beetlejuice, Nubia and now Aquaman and Lola Bunny? We could’ve gotten characters like Gumball, Ben 10 and (for the funnies) Walter White, but nope, we got Banana Guard.

Then there’s the micro transactions, i’m sure we all know the point. Too. Damn. Expensive! $20/2000 gleamium for a legendary skin is just not it. Same with $5 for a poorly made green screen skin. And the fact that you need specific skins to progress in rift mode is like adding salt to an open wound. Sure, Marvel Rivals has a bunch of expensive micro transactions as well, but at least they don’t gate keep you from playing the game and they come with a lot of items in bundles that are more reasonably priced.

There’s also a lot of other stuff that has already been said by hundreds of players so I’m gonna stop here.

Overall, I am really, really disappointed about how this game turned out. If you kept things the same way as it did in the beta, gave us characters we actually asked for and have functional servers, then this game probably would’ve lasted a lot longer. But it’s too late for that, I guess. So… yeah, I guess this is it… now if you excuse me, I’m going back to NASB 1 and 2. (okay maybe not, but I will be playing other games)

[mossy hill]

time to move rivals of aetther 2 guys

[tawdry tiger]

Wow well I’d really love if they add Scooby! Scorpion ! Gah I’m so excited for the future of this game !

[random pine]

This game was only good during the demo stage when you actually had to grind to unlock the characters. Once they stopped giving you currency per battle it was never the same. Not surprised your micro transactions phase didn't work for you.

For comparison.. look at how successful Disney Speedstorm is. My point exactly

Side note: there was never enough content to keep any player interested to begin with

[mossy hill]

tbh if the rank SYSTEM isnt crappy AF

for asia

i would keep playing nonstop

[stuck sable]

The devs made a pretty good game, but whoever is in charge or monetization need to be removed from the industry due to their dangerous incompetence.

[mossy hill]

the one in charge with the balancing and monetization

[spare iris]

rip

[lament dome]

Yes this please, Marvel’s Avengers did this at least!!

[tawdry wolf]

I agree with most of this, but I do have some stuff I have to disagree with:

1. While the game during the relaunch felt sluggish at times, I also didn't enjoy the scaling, nor the blurring, unwelcoming speed of the Beta. I think it would've been better if it was like 3/4s of that speed. Not Melee level, nor Brawl. Meet down the middle for accessibility and speedy fun.

2. I don't think it was character specific either. First, while I wasn't as excited for them, I saw a lot of people who were happy with Agent Smith and Beetlejuice ever since they were leaked. And I liked how Banana Guard and Agent Smith were released. They were both free (if you grinded), and they came along with Joker and Jason anyway. As for Nubia, love her actually, one of my mains, but I don't think her being in the game was the problem, but how she was released. She was an "easy to make" character, since she was gonna be a WW skin, but she was the only new character for weeks, and she costed the same as Joker or Marceline when they first released, and since no one knew her, she didn't feel worth it at the time. I would've released her ALONG a 3rd character, instead of having her as the sole secondary character of the season, like Banana Guard

[lament dome]

Banana guard was my wingman when I couldn’t use shaggy in the shark rift, I needed him

[kindred stratus]

Alright, well, I appreciate the thoughts

[tawdry wolf]

Ofc ofc!

[bright seal]

Hey, can the founder's pack people get a refund? £80 primarily for 30 character tokens and now the game is closing with more than half of these unspent!

[lament dome]

No one is gonna get a refund, sadly that’s not how these games work

[dense sail]

😂

[lament dome]

Or look at marvel rivals

[queen ingot]

Y'all could have had smash money and you blew it with your greed. Hate to see this game go, but y'all had it coming.

[iron pendant]

This game is a colossal failure in IP management, I genuinely don’t understand how you guys are shutting down not even a full year into launch. I don’t get how a game like Brawlhalla can stay online for 5+ years and MVS can’t even stay online. Truly truly despicable works here

[sturdy dagger]

People may have lost their jobs and you turbo dweebs are tut tuting

[blissful garden]

It saddens me to see this game not even lasting longer than suicide squad.

What they did wrong

1- They overslowed the game down from beta. I feel that beta was too fast and should've been a bit slower, but they overly made it slower.

2- The UI is horrendous and was worse than beta, and beta wasn't that good by any means. They should've made the UI visuals in a cartoonish style and made it easier to use.

3- crappy monetization overall and skins were wayyy overpriced. Then they split the battle pass and made the rewards even worse. Elusive skins didn't help at all.

4- still to this day, crappy, unstable netcode server stability.

5- The rank points system is abysmal to rank up. It's not enjoyable for me to waste 30 hours climbing from division one to master. For me, that was the most depressing time I had playing any game.

6- janky hitboxes that haven't been fixed. My superman whiffs against smaller models, and lots of characters hit you when they visually don't land.

7- Grindy rewards and events of rift gems. If they aren't fun why continue making them. Rift was not an event but an excuse to sink players time, but it wasn't fun to play.

8- maps being a mixed bag of some enjoyable ones, while other maps, like PPG being too small and Warner Bros tower being too annoying to move.

9- Game marketing was non-existent. Nor was there any communication to its own community.

10- wayyy, wayyy too many currencies that make this game feel like a crappy mobile game.

11- characters unlocks as a whole have killed whatever possibility for this game to bring new players with the final nail being the fighter road. You need to give an incentive for new players to actually play the game so they can then spend money if they like this game.

,

Overall, this is what happens when you release an underbaked raw game. Multiversus still needed a whole extra year to develop, which they wasted when they spent their time after beta changing to a new engine, but now it's too late. Players will flock under recognizable IPs like Marvel rivals and multiversus, but the game needs to be an enjoyable, bug-free experience to maintain it. Unfortunately, you guys took your own golden goose egg and ruined it by trying to mimic mobile monetization elements, making this game feel like a bad mobile game.

[sturdy dagger]

Unfortunately I think WB wanting to launch early to capitalize on hype definitely hurt the game.

[blissful garden]

Man I'm a grown man and people losing their jobs is the worst thing that can happen to anyone's life nor do I want them to get fired.

[sturdy dagger]

It's a broad statement on the channel ATM not you specifically.

[queen ingot]

I can be upset at the people who messed up this game and feel bad for people that lost their jobs. Get off your high horse.

[tawdry wolf]

Agreed. Sure it sucks but they do hold the responsibility for its failure

[cyan patrol]

You mean the thing that happens everywhere and to everyone who performs their job poorly?

[sturdy dagger]

You don't even have to do anything wrong to get fired (especially with WB)

There's plenty of valid criticism, but at this point you're just trying to shame them.

[sturdy dagger]

Meh. Being relatively cordial isn't particularly a high and mighty stance.

[cyan patrol]

I and many others think some shame is in order.

[queen ingot]

I sure am, they deserve to be shamed.

[cyan patrol]

I mean if I preformed my job as poorly as they did Is be ashamed of myself

[queen ingot]

Smash money, dawg. And they fumbled. It's God damn heart breaking.

[sturdy dagger]

WB's monetization methods have been known.

Though PFG did choose to go all in on aggressively oppressive playstyles, and added toxic emotes to a ftp game (ftp run on casual players)

[sturdy dagger]

They definitely didn't have Smash money, nor a smash size company with legacy staff.

[queen ingot]

They had the potential to rival smash is what I'm saying and could have eventually gotten there if not for their incompetence.

[sturdy dagger]

I honestly think the Ftp model was the biggest issue. Especially trying to drop a character a month.

[queen ingot]

Characters should have been free and they should have made skins their big money maker. Woulda made a world of difference

[sturdy dagger]

Also they're a new indie team, pretending they should be veteran delepors on their first project is disingenuous

[sturdy dagger]

IDK about big money, but definitely could've done better

[queen ingot]

Hey, maybe your right. They shouldn't have been in charge of a product with this much potential to begin with.

[sturdy dagger]

Rivals of Aether, doesn't have to make a quota for a giant corporation.

[slate jetty]

all they needed to do was listen. to. the. community
actually look at feedback...but NOOO~

[fallow ginkgo]

I was out the moment they couldnt reimburse me for stuff I lost

Gotta say its pretty Carthratic seeing this

[sturdy dagger]

TBF the community was all over the place.

Honestly I think listening to fgc people who wanted the game to be hardcore *bit them in the ass.

*I wish my phone wouldn't auto incorrect me

[slate jetty]

yeah, the team were competitives too so it made sense why they went that way

but if they looked through feedback there are things that were valid and said by multiple people that would have helped

I just hope that a third party gets made to allow online play (even steam remote for steam platform)
and a way to get existing skins and things that you didnt get before to be obtainable through some way...
(even bring back coins from beta to do so lol)

idk if I should feel bad or laugh (at) the people who spent $100+ on this for founder pack and junk

[sturdy dagger]

There's always parsec

[quiet forge]

ok

[mossy hill]

thank god i only spent 15$

but still

15$ frickin aalot for my country

[slate jetty]

yeah, but parsec is kinda iffy imo
rather have a dedicated program for it
(like CnCnet for command and conquer games)

[mossy hill]

honestly

if only they let us custom online matches

thats the thing i want

[slate jetty]

doesnt sound like they will, sounds like only local play

[slate jetty]

same lol

[mossy hill]

which is annoying

like

sure its fine for people want to play tournaments

but

us that WANT PLAY WITH FRIENDS ACCROSS THE WORLD

ugh

@slate jettyi hope THEY BUFF VELMA JUST BRING HER BACK TO FINAL BETA VERSION

[slate jetty]

thats why im hoping from some to make a third party program for it...
actually..if PFG was....(I cant believe im saying this) smart, they'd make the source code available (then again people can just data mine) so that a group or team can pick it up and it'd be "community maintained" which could allow the community to do all the things that should have been done, like buff or nerf characters correctly change and fix gameplay (even add new characters..all like in Project M for Super Smash Bros. Brawl)

[mossy hill]

@slate jettynot only that

the community

that will continue the game

without PFG

and just fix the problems the game have

[slate jetty]

I just said that 😛

[mossy hill]

Yep

@slate jetty if they do

I definitely playing velma

[slate jetty]

you know...i've played velma and got her to 15..(recently) she isnt...terrible, I actually had more fun playing her than IG or Gizmo...her van is garbage though...unless you are playing bots

[mossy hill]

Her van actually hit or miss

Cuz sometimes u can punish your enemy

[slate jetty]

yeah, the van is still pretty much instant death after 100~ damage and if you can catch them off guard its nice

[mossy hill]

Actually

70ish already a kill

If they wall camp drop the van on top of them

They wont able to react

[slate jetty]

70 was hit or miss for me, 100 was a sweet spot because i didnt need to do anything after they got captured just sit there...and i didnt play here long enough to get the techs like that on her lol

[mossy hill]

70 is a hit if near corner

Ledge*

Miss if on middle

[slate jetty]

yeah

[tawdry wolf]

Ha! Rival Smash? Guys come on. I'm up for trying new Smash-like games, I love myself some RIvals Aether 2, but ya'll gotta stop seeing it as a "rival" to Smash because no... it won't ever get to that level. First of all, the amount of characters, polished stages, and features missing in other games (like the shield that they refuse to add until they decide that it should be on the second game/a future update), with a bunch of great side-modes, items/other fun modes if you're not a try hard, and refined physics after multiple revisions throughout previous entries. If y'all see it through the lense of a Smash competitor, it already failed. Instead, see it as an alternative or a supplement to Smash. They can coexist

[queen ingot]

I said potential rival. As in many years down the line. I never expected them to give us an ultimate right out the gate. Had they played their cards right they could have gotten there though. They had the IP to do it and a decent base to improve on.

Personally I don't think shields were a good addition. Changed the flow of the game and wasn't implemented well.

[tawdry wolf]

Nah, I don't think so. They were already missing a lot of stuff that makes Smash special. The anticipation of a character reveal, the many options of how one can play the game (items, custom stages, 1v1, squad strike, classic/arcade mode). The only thing left to be desired was the online system, but they all fail to understand what makes Smash special because of the lenses are always pointed at Melee.

I doubt they would ever add a way we could play squad strike or give us a reason to pull it up on parties

They failed at F2P, because the Smash Plat Fighter genre isn't compatible with it

But that isn't to say that it couldn't be successful by itself. Just that it couldn't compete with Smash. In those regards, it failed because of everything else, on top of the risky move to make a Plat Fighetr F2P

[foggy ether]

HOW?

For those that truly worked on this game thank you, disappointed but thank you, but I know there’s gotta be those that rather make a buck then make a game.

I am so disappointed…
I can’t believe it man…

You had INFINITE POTENTIAL….

Literally…

Beta should have been perfected, Not changed entirely.

The spending in this game was too aggressive. You had to buy something to 100% complete Rifts. Elusive skins… etc.

Hitboxes and Hurtboxes. Never got fixed, even though they were somehow touched a bunch of times. I don’t get it.

I’m sad and I’m angry and I feel betrayed.

Beta lasted longer

[tawdry wolf]

Yeah but it died quicker. No one was talking about the final season

Heck, last time any attention was given to it, Marvin JUST got released

From there, the only thing people talked about is when it closed down

[tawdry tiger]

I spent over $16,000 on this video game man what am I gonna do? I guess I’ll just got dumped more on MK1 then..

[slate jetty]

im sorry, WHAT?!

[olive pier]

That makes sense. They used your lack of character knowledge and exploited it.

[tawdry wolf]

@umbral summit Please please we know that Daffy, Ruby, and Wicked Witch were almost done, as well that there were a handful of stages in the works. Please if this is the last update, finish and release them all so that we can enjoy the most of what's left in this game 🙏✨️

A final game with all current characters, stages +
Lola
Aquaman
Daffy
Ruby
Wicked Witch
Gandalf +
Crystal Lake
ACME Canyon
Rabbit Season
Barbie's House
Nowhere
Riverboat
Primal Lands
sounds REALLY amazing rn

[umbral elm]

Just let the community host servers if you are going to cut the servers

You don't have to support it if you don't want, but at least give us the option to host our own servers

[rigid monolith]

you can just make a anual sesson like omega strikers and century do they are dead too but somepeople like to play sometimes and we spend money on this

[sturdy dagger]

Annual seasons, would've given them room to actually work on content and balance things.

12 characters a year wasn't sustainable really.

[tawdry wolf]

Dude Season 4 was less than that and people were practically dying

[balmy thicket]

This.

If they make Peer to Peer workable, they could let this be a more relaxed service game. And keep it up.

[mossy atlas]

Give the game over to modders

[slate jetty]

there already is a version they got to mod but this version would be nice

[kind ermine]

Honestly I think although it has a lot of issues if they gave enough time and thought it could work but the problem is that they thought this game is like fortnite and a niche fighting game wouldn’t make it to the 500 thousand people playing it
This whole server is a proof the game wasn’t dead it just has A LOT of problems and the lack of transparency support and marketing did not help

[mossy atlas]

if modders had their hands on this game, it would play like melee lmao

[balmy thicket]

I hope not, lol, I like how the game plays now

[tawdry wolf]

Nah. Make it less floaty and a little bit faster

But also not like try-hard Beta crazy

Also the Switch. I bet more people would play it if it was available handheld

[blissful garden]

It saddens me to see this game not even lasting longer than suicide squad.

What they did wrong

1- They overslowed the game down from beta. I feel that beta was too fast and should've been a bit slower, but they made it wayyy to slow.

2- The UI is horrendous and was worse than beta, and beta wasn't that good by any means. They should've made the UI visuals in a cartoonish style and made it easier to use.

3- crappy monetization overall and skins were wayyy overpriced. Then they split the battle pass and made the rewards even worse. Elusive skins didn't help at all.

4- still to this day, crappy, unstable netcode server stability.

5- The rank points system is abysmal to rank up. It's not enjoyable for me to waste 30 hours climbing from division one to master. For me, that was the most depressing time I had playing any game.

6- janky hitboxes that haven't been fixed. My superman whiffs against smaller models, and lots of characters hit you when they visually don't land.

7- Grindy rewards and events of rift gems. If they aren't fun why continue making them. Rift was not an event but an excuse to sink players time, but it wasn't fun to play.

8- maps being a mixed bag of some enjoyable ones, while other maps, like PPG being too small and Warner Bros tower being too annoying to move.

9- Game marketing was non-existent. Nor was there any communication to its own community.

10- wayyy, wayyy too many currencies that make this game feel like a crappy mobile game.

11- characters unlocks as a whole have killed whatever possibility for this game to bring new players with the final nail being the fighter road. You need to give an incentive for new players to actually play the game so they can then spend money if they like this game.

,

Overall, this is what happens when you release an underbaked raw game. Multiversus still needed a whole extra year to develop, which they wasted when they spent their time after beta changing to a new engine, but now it's too late. Players will flock under recognizable IPs like Marvel rivals and multiversus, but the game needs to be an enjoyable, bug-free experience to maintain it. Unfortunately, you guys took your own golden goose egg and ruined it by trying to mimic mobile monetization elements, making this game feel like a bad mobile game.

[queen ingot]

Doesn't matter anymore. Time to mourn. Find a player and hug em goodbye.

[wispy warren]

Keep the servers up

[signal crane]

I can understand ceasing updates because of the game not making enough money, but closing the servers really makes everyone lose.

[tawdry wolf]

Dude -_- you better not be spamming. You already said this

[stiff shell]

Yall better make 25 more characters before shut down because I still will have like 23 or 22 left before shut down. Either a refund is needed or more fighters I can buy

[blissful garden]

Reposted it due to high influx of ppl

[dense sail]

Bro is angry GRRRRRR YOU BETTER NOT BE SPAMMING

[tawdry wolf]

Ehh I wouldn't say angry. Moreso like a slight "Dont do it a 3rd time or then I'll be mildly bothered"

Grrr

[spare temple]

Remake MultiVersus but into the same style original FusionFall was made PLEASE 🙏🏻

This game would have done wonders if it was created as an MMO like FusionFall

@fossil wharf is this possible or no?

[signal crane]

How can NASB2 keep their servers online with only double digit player counts and MVS with over a thousand at least is left without any support. This game only needed to fix fighter unlock progression and just keep the servers open. People would still play this game even if there's no updates after S5. Just pointless to take down the servers when this is a unique game with a cult following.

[blissful garden]

Warner Brothers are clearly aiming to kick, fire and replace all ppl who were handling live service games in the last year as they replaced the ceo and are now chopping all non profitable games for good. Ssktjl, multiversus and next it'll be Mk 1

[quick vortex]

is the final update making everyone broken like reverting all the nerfs?

[stuck sable]

Yeah this really. The game would still probably generate profits from skins and stuff if the servers were allowed to keep operating. Now the game will make no more money what so ever and players who invested in the game just outright lose the ability to enjoy the content they paid for.

[sonic folio]

im not sure if the amount of money that the game would generate from skins outweights the cost of keeping servers up, regardless i still find weird they are just straight up.... shuttin the game down

[stuck sable]

Make the characters free and people would spend more money on cosmetics. People don't want to constantly spend money to unlock new characters especially when there's no reasonably priced option for unlocking everyone. People do like spending their gleam on things they find fun though, like cool skins for a character they like playing.

[sonic folio]

yeah but makin all free now would def open them to some possible lawsuit/even more backlash online. As much as i want it i dont think they can really afford it. They shouldve made the characters free from the very beginning so they wouldnt be in this situation

[stuck sable]

Yeah they should, but hindsight is 20/20. I think people would still be a lot happier if the characters were made free and the server and shop remained open. I see a lot of people being really upset they spent money on cosmetics and characters they won't get to play mulyiplayer with ever again after May

[sonic folio]

i really hope they make everything free, from the info we have so far it doesnt seem to be the case. I wish im wrong tho

[umbral elm]

Meanwhile, characters like Batman can literally mash into shield

Generating an almost continuous active hitbox

Making it impossible to respond to it

Like the whiff on that stuff is shorter than your out of shield stuff

So you literally can't do anything

[mossy hill]

@umbral elm dont worry

Ajax say there will be 50 pages long

Patch nkte

[umbral elm]

It won't matter, they are killing the game

Maybe now they'll actually try so they are remembered fondly?

Instead of hated?

[mossy hill]

Yknow

The one causing this actually 1 person@umbral elm

Uhhh

But idw talked bout it in here

I might dm what i mean

[umbral elm]

Feel free

[mossy hill]

There i did

[umbral elm]

Ok

[molten geyser]

Just gonna be a broken record here, but as you guys transition to an offline-only version of the game, there are two features that I think are the most important for local play:

1. An option for each player to pick their own ringout effect
2. The special game modes (maybe not Race, since that won't work locally, but all the other ones)

[autumn estuary]

they never fixed fern's animation i'm pretty sure

nerfing finn killed multiversus

next time just buff everyone to finn's level it worked for marvel rivals

dear lord don't let netease do starlord dirty like pfg did to finn

[ocean siren]

A bit of a slap in the face wb many other companies keep servers open and it doesn't cost much and looking at your net worth you can afford it...

[olive pier]

It did not and you know it 😂. What killed multi was a dude banned Tony

[autumn estuary]

the guy who approved those nerfs you mean

[olive pier]

Funny part is (and I was a part of this as well) we all blame PFG when it was literally a bozo named Tony who was on PFG

[olive pier]

Nah I mean the guy who was calling the shots because he had final say

[autumn estuary]

the former riot games (league of legends) dev tony huynh, the co-founder and director of multiversus the platform fighting video game

it's simply our fault for not buying enough characters and skins and battlepass tiers and emotes

[daring spruce]

Make Iron Gaint Broken Again PLEASE! TwT

[autumn estuary]

i wonder where the free toast guy went

@bitter condor who you main in rivals

[crimson quest]

Thanks for stealing all our money

[dire crypt]

Just wanna say player first games. Never make a single game ever again. Y’all have scammed people, gaslit your community and now you fail them and leave with the money. Bravo. Truly. You and Warner bros I pray for you’re falling. Can’t believe yall could do this “legally” absolute joke.

Hope not a single person supports you or WB licences ever again.

[violet fiber]

facts

[bitter condor]

I WANT FREE TOAST

[autumn estuary]

honestly free toast as a farewell

[slate jetty]

yeah, i have over 1400~ to give out over S5

[lusty sparrow]

they need to give us a way to turn unused tickets and fighter currency into gleemium. give us somthing at this point.

[mossy hill]

I got 2k.... not even using it

[sonic folio]

i have so much toast, and i always toast people, i wish i could toast in higher amounts

or like give it all to a single person to help them lol

[mossy hill]

@slate jetty i saw someone making petition

[mossy hill]

If only they let u toast example : 10x

[sonic folio]

since the beginning i've seen people ask that , i truly wish it was a thing

[slate jetty]

Oh? For what exactly?

[random yoke]

Are they gonna make everything free after season 5? Since they don't have a way for us to get Gleamium without events and battlepasses, or just buying it, it would makes sense for them to just make everything free once the final season is over.

[sonic folio]

only characters, which they already are free offline

[random yoke]

So if someone didn't get all the costumes, and only had a few Gleamiums left, then they will never be able to get those costumes even when it goes offline?

That seems a little unfair

[sturdy dagger]

Technically no you had to be online to do locals (which was weird)

[sturdy dagger]

I'd assume they'd let you earn it at the very least. Guess we'll find out tomorrow.

[sonic folio]

yeah its true, we are gonna find out tomorrow. But the wording they've been using is very specific so far implying only you get to keep the things you bought. Im saying it could be that way as that way allows them to not give any sort of refunds or maybe avoid legal issues. But we'll see, id be glad to be wrong and they unlock all for free at shutdown

[olive pier]

That would be so good that they more than likely won’t do it but I wish they did. That bum Tony is too money hungry. I doubt he’d want to lose anything.

[slate jetty]

I mean......isnt he losing pretty much everything after season 5?
to have something that had limitless potential only to fumble it...thats just sad AF

[olive pier]

Nah, he’s not getting fired so he’s still with wb but not pfg from what I understood

[slate jetty]

theres a lot out there that says otherwise. even people hoping/coping that when the license with him is up WB sells the game off or gives it to better studio....but thats....a stretch....guess we'll see

[olive pier]

Hoping for the best regardless and that he does get fired for selling out the team like that and making this game trash. He needs a job somewhere else that’s only about the money like respawn 😂

[slate jetty]

lol 🤣

[abstract hornet]

offline only really should just have all the cosmetics unlocked

[olive pier]

Facts

[mossy hill]

For mvs not closing

[next trellis]

if PFG does the following, the game can be revived:

• add 10 surprise new characters
• bring back beta features like toast backs, seeing your overall MMR rank, deaths at the stats screen, damage taken at the stats screen
• remove shields
• make dodges take less of your meter
• more game modes like 4v4, 3v3, 2v1, 16 player elimination tourney, etc.
• region select
• fix major and all bugs, prioritize ui, remove all pain points
• make it so u can purchase previous battlepasses and elusive skins
• remove fighter road & make all characters free and have no 0tds
• fix janky gameplay mechanics like instant armor, e.g. on superman
• market the game more
• add winning or losing animations that can be purchased
• fix UI issues that cause new players to get confused such as not being able to join invites, or having a hard time finding things
• ability to gift gleamium and skins to others
• reward high performing players with a unique skin if they reach a high rank
• official tournaments organized by the team

hopefully a new studio picks up the game. it’s clear many people care about it and if done right, they can follow a similar playbook to rivals and grow their 150k+ initial audience, not kill it off

[next trellis]

the animators on the team were amazing. the artists are amazing. the ppl designing the movesets are amazing. the devs designing the core fighting mechanics are great. where it starts to get bad is the leadership, the UI people, the people who pitched fighter road, etc.

the core gameplay must be great to attract lots of non-spending players and spending players alike, there shouldn’t be any pain points at all cuz each one just makes you lose users and potential spenders or people who will spread the game via word of mouth to potential spenders

[molten geyser]

I'm being a broken record here because this is the last chance for it. Please add the Wacky Weekend game modes to local play.

[bitter sun]

Add Daffy Duck!! Stupor Duck and Green Lantoon alternates!!

[olive pier]

You know the game is ending right?

[worthy sapphire]

Can you put a version of the game from beta on steam from when you got your awards? Then we can choose between versions

[blissful garden]

Please please pleaseeeee please please let us get all the skins including the Clark Kent skin and this skin https://www.reddit.com/r/MultiVersus/comments/1eg2r5t/new_skin_ingame/ the original animated superman skin from 1940 please please

[slender bear]

Even if season 5 would be a bigger success they would still shut it down right?

[olive pier]

Unless it’s a huge success like ground braking numbers I think the decision still stands.

[crimson cradle]

I think the monetization plan really killed this game. They should have at the very least released all beta characters for free as a base roster. Even in it's death throes it still sounds like they aren't going to make any of the roster available to play for new players for free. This is really sad to see, and hamstrings any attempt to save the game even with season 5 updates. Please make as many characters as possible playable for all players in season 5. It would mean a lot to the community if we could celebrate the end by letting as many people as possible enjoy what you've created.

[olive pier]

Excellent point 🔥

[grand galleon]

👆 This

[iron stump]

fighting games that are over a decade old still keep their servers up, what's the point in making this game offline

[sonic folio]

probably wb doesnt want to keep spending money on this one specifically, specially cuz its a live service game. Maybe they coulda stopped the updates and just keep the game up, and they didnt think about it, but who knows

[thin rose]

Big feedback that a lot of us would agree with:
When the game goes offline, the people who bought the Founder's Pack should receive all cosmetics and characters (at the very least the characters) and all other players should have a means to unlock all these through gameplay in a similar way to Smash Bros where you can challenge a character to unlock it after X amount of fights.

[quartz lark]

If there going to have Season 5 run for three months, they should at least drop the other characters that were already finished. For Pete’s sake, there’s still 114 days in this season!

[spare iris]

big patch thoughts after 1 read

50 pages is more like 32, still big, I just wish they kept things honest

I can't comment on the fighter changes, haven't played yet and I'm no pro

the general changes feel backwards again, changing stuff nobody asked for, nerfing the fun out of rift upgrades, and still not doing stuff like rift matchmaking or fixing fighter road

Finn is the only fighter with ZERO changes which is again baffling, considering this was supposed to be a huge overhaul

[molten geyser]

Please add wacky weekend modes to local before the game shuts down, I want to play volleyball with friends

[wicked lagoon]

I could not getting any match with other

[spare iris]

"– Uncharged damage reduced to 8 from 10" and such changes.

The language logic used here always bothered me.

I think it should say:

reduced from 10 to 8

Linear logic instead of jumping up and down, makes it easier to read

[copper ridge]

Please let us earn more Gleamium somehow, there are so many cosmetic items I'm worried I'll never be able to use

[random yoke]

Does anyone know what currency I need to buy Gleamium? It has a golden ticket icon and I don't know how to get it

[sonic folio]

golden tickets is from the beta, for those who have left over and cant use it anymore

[random yoke]

So....they are now teasing normal players with the option to get more Gleamium, but won't let us earn them?

[sonic folio]

no, its for players who spent money before

[random yoke]

Oh, you mean people who has bought Gleamium in the past?

[sonic folio]

people who bought the founder pass in beta

[random yoke]

Oh. So there is still no way for normal players to get Gleamium when the season ends, which means they will either make everything free when that happens, or keep all cosmetics locked.

[sonic folio]

the wording they've been using seems to imply you only get to keep what you bought/unlocked, but they did unlock everything when the beta closed, so at this point its a matter of waiting til shutdown or someone says something.

[random yoke]

Let's hope they do the right thing.

[cyan patrol]

Why did you make the entire rogue rift 2v2 with the bot partner that may as well not exist. People have said over and over they don't like being forced to team to do rifts so you do the exact opposite. Just the worst choices throughout

[next viper]

I'm sure it if it was infinite tier but it was always rng-based

Like chest

[nimble crag]

Add multiverses on mobile
1 Idc what u guys say it can dev run on mobile look at delta force mobile,
War thunder,brawlhalla and some of those racing car games that have high graphics which phones can pretty much handle
Wzm
Cod and even one punch man world bro and Fortnite

[slate jetty]

LOL MVS on MOBILE?
do you want your phone to explode?

[zealous lion]

Elusive skins should be able to be bought in the shop in this season

[molten geyser]

The timing for Lola's neutral special is very unclear. I keep trying to practice it in the workshop, but I still can't tell if I'm supposed to trigger it before the basketball hits, after it hits, or what.

[nimble crag]

Look at the games I suggested

Some even have higher graphics than mvs

Such as asphalt legends unit

War thunder and I put it on max graphics and nothing has happened to my phone and it’s a big map with a lot of destruction

And don’t even get me started on Brawlhalla

Or wzm

Or delta force mobile

[slate jetty]

it doesnt matter what game you suggested what you arent understanding is that MVS is HIGHLY unoptimized
to the point that CONSOLES have frame drops and lag issue

MVS will fry a phone

[nimble crag]

Pretty sure it won’t

[slate jetty]

trust me it will

[next viper]

Bring back original training room with options for variants, whether they include platforms or not.

[arctic axle]

This is my thoughts on the news update/season 5 I love that lola bunny made it in multiversus my favorite loony toon character but I have a complaint about not being able to buy gleamium for the shop and taking down the tier skip option for the battlepass and the tier skip was a good way for players to get the battlepass items even they have no time to play multiversus all the time I have a job and I can't play multiversus all the time to complete the battlepass and honesty put the gleamium back in the stores and bring back tier skips or back where we can earn character tickets to trade for gleamium and use it for the skins and cosmetics and tier skips this is the worst update ever !!!!!!!! After I unlock the classic toon squad skin for lola bunny I'm quiting multiversus

And I lot of players are mad about this update

[abstract hornet]

Yall forgot to add the farmer steven skin

[sonic folio]

future updates/events, theres a bunch of skins not added yet

[grizzled bane]

1 Fighter Ticket for 1,000 Gleamium is a fantastic deal for any Founder Pack user including myself. Thinking it over, I also thought about this:

1,000 Fighter Currency for 100 Gleamium

Not only would this be more for everyone than a select group of people that paid $100 dollars (myself included), but anyone with useless leftover Fighter Currency can turn it info useful Gleamium for any in-store items now, especially after the ability to buy Gleamium is gone

#memes message

[blissful garden]

Love this season so far I only wish we could use and get past elusive skins please.

[lusty sparrow]

can the local mode have all the features that custom game has. Please. it will suck if the offline version of the game loses all those features custom game mode has.

[heady agate]

Well it seems like Batman mains will be forever known as mashing losers or as smart as the wind-up monkey in Homer Simpson’s brain.

[lusty sparrow]

will we be getting a menu to set our taunts for each character in the local mode offline version of the game? or are taunts useless in the offline version?

[olive pier]

Great idea 👍🏽

[grizzled bane]

Thank you

[west patio]

hey, can we unlock all the characters in offline mode after may 31th??? it would be nice to make it so...

[slate jetty]

they stated that all characters will be unlocked afterward i believe

[foggy ether]

I can’t believe we finally got all these changes (some that should have been there on release) Lola Bunny… and the game is getting shut down…….
I’m willing to spend on this game.
I was strictly a free player but then I wanted to support the game so I started buying every character starting with Nubia to play early.

Logging in and getting Lola and Aquaman for free right off the bat felt so good. Like how it should be…
Guys… I can’t believe yall dropping this

[nocturne dove]

ayo, if you guys are goin out, let us keep the rifts at least in single player + player 2 local co-op offline so we can always have the ability to share the experience with those we love
(and make it so you got a constant single player xp bar that unlocks chests thatll let us work towards 100% please! + make tickets drop in local if ya do that!
I want a reason to keep playing single player!!! aaaaaaaa!!!!!)

[spare iris]

Lola's down smash is weird
It doesn't go over ppl when done from neutral, even when closer

But it does jump over them instead of stopping on them and hitting them when done after other moves

[mossy hill]

honestly i just notice aquaman has spammy neutral air

i had to hold my shieldd way longer

[arctic axle]

They need to give us challenges that aren't confusing and easier

To get battlepass xp

[lusty osprey]

can the development team put Steam cloud save for offline data?

This would ensure that we can transfer offline save data from one computer to another when we renew PCs once servers have been closed.

[quick vortex]

who is the advertisement team? they need to be fired or something because where were the ads for this game?

[slate jetty]

I mean...there are a lot of games that do have ads for it...do you see ads for Rivals of Aether 2 anywhere?

the media does the ads for them lol you always see an article about Multiversus..like everyday

[quick vortex]

i am talking about real ads like on tv or youtube and how many casual gamers look ad media sites?

[slate jetty]

again.....do you see ads for Rivals of Aether 2?

[sonic folio]

they did ads but for the beta, which is weird, then they stopped for some reason

i remember the whole mcdonalds thing

[quick vortex]

rival of aether isn't a multi billion company or owned by one

[slate jetty]

WB wouldnt be the one marketing it just Publishing, they would delegate that to PFG themselves

[olive pier]

Facts

[mossy basin]

Why the batman hot dog emote was gone from the Shop ?

[lament dome]

I still have a weekly claim free shop stuff but I’m pretty sure they took that away

[sturdy dagger]

There's genuinely a lot of visual noise with water boy. Get more than one, and it's like who "dafuq is doing what, where!?!?"

[fallen moth]

Im not sure if anyone already mentioned this but do we have a general idea of what the chest items are for the daily bonus missions? Other than obviously like perk currency or fighter road/battle pass xp because two times now I've gotten a ringout and banner I've already owned each time I got to that point which seems weird to me I'm not expecting like every item I've never owned to be there but it'd be nice to have a visual guide to see what we could possibly get like how the new rifts show what items are possible to get from the chests

[sonic folio]

they mentioned you could get items from past seasons, im guessing all of them? (not sure), i've only gotten prestige and perk

[fallen moth]

Ohhhh okay I must've missed where they said that but thank you for letting me know

[olive pier]

I’m hoping they do an elusive skin event via ranked or rifts

[sonic folio]

i think it was in twitter? i dont think it was in a patch

[fallen moth]

Gotcha gotcha I'll check that out rn

[red forum]

I can't open the red chests after completing the rift, I already have 30 chests out of 252 and the screen to open them doesn't appear. Please, I need support before the rift close

[sonic folio]

they do automatically, if it doesnt show the animation they still give you the rewards

[steady stump]

Considering the game is going to inevitably shut down, you guys should provide all the characters for free! I think this would be a great chance to allow everyone to experience new characters they weren't able to try previously before everyone gets booted offline. It would be nice if my friends and I could explore more options and have more fun before the shut down as well, there's nothing to lose ! 🙏

[lusty sparrow]

do we have confirmation if we can set taunts in the offline mode thats coming? local mode has got Ringout selection added in the latest patch. but local mode has no way to set taunts on a character currently.

[olive pier]

Sounding pretty toxic no cap 😂

[lusty sparrow]

lol! but yeah. would b good to have the option so all the taunts i unlocked dont go to waste.

[mossy hill]

We used to have that option in beta tho

[olive pier]

That’s a fair point

[olive pier]

True but we def weren’t playing offline in beta too often

[mossy hill]

Velma still dont have kill move other than camera

[quasi geyser]

dear player first games. I know it isn't likely, but would you keep 1v1 test matches up for thr entire season? They're the only event match my connection can handle any more and since I get at least one event match mission a week, that's a pretty big problem.

[olive pier]

Brother, I need you to watch bhandstv.

[mossy hill]

ehhhhhhhhhhh like ik she can kill

but its not consistent

and camera is her best kill move

up air requires alot of reads

downtilt can early kill if enemy got pulled toward wall and hole

[mossy hill]

and ik he is rick main

cuz i watch him before

[molten geyser]

Please add the wacky weekend game modes to local play. I want to keep playing volleyball after the game goes offline.

[twin river]

Marvin feels a tad overtuned after the recent changes.
He is able to jab>jab>air side-special and kill at around 90, and his neutral special (the button smash) has insane knockback and is able to ground bounce into the air side special for early kill potential way too easily.

at the same time, his dash attack feels lack luster, and consistently slides through enemies, only hitting for minimal damage and leaving him vulnerable

[scarlet parrot]

Let us trade Fighter Currency for Gleamium

[twin river]

Can Lola's basketball be a different color to help differentiate it from Lebron's?
rn if I'm playing as Lola vs Bron, and in the shuffle I try to hit back my basketball but it was actually his, feels a little bad

[slate jetty]

usually and the way I have it the ball is the color of the teams (so default yours being a yellow ball and the enemies being red ball)

[twin river]

I might have to fiddle with my UI colors more then

[keen obsidian]

If you wanna reach more players, try opening up the games servers to other parts of the world such as India, Japan, South America, and others.

[mossy hill]

Uhhh asia has their own server tho better dont add japan

Cuz asia already barely getting matches

[olive pier]

There is no way you guys did not nerf Tom and Jerry 😂. They do the same stuff and get away with it lol

[mossy hill]

Ehhhh tbh i just wish that jerry cooldown got nerfed or damage

And i kinda wish velna has a different kill move other than camera

Like if velma ground side special can be cancel again, i definitely using thst move to combo

[olive pier]

Jerry is whatever. It’s that freakin paddle and the fact that Buddy can be getting hit but mashing the attack button and Jerry hits me 😂 Actually dumb

[mossy hill]

Trueee

[mossy hill]

Imagine that someone complained about me using velma saying just spam camera and flahslight

Like then what the f i use???? she doesnt even have other moves that do jack sht

Jab? Its hard get close

Book? I cant grt used to use that too much

[olive pier]

Someone told you to spam?

[mossy hill]

Dtilt??? hellllll that move slow af

[mossy hill]

No...... They say im dog sht spam

Like wtf u mean

U also use superman and spam laser and air side special

Start to camp too

they also decently medium streamer (i mean the smmount of viewers)

[olive pier]

Oh that’s crazy bro 😂

[mossy hill]

And yeah ofc i camp back and they just start tbag and use crying shaggy

He start to mocking me using my entire bubble speech and using flashlight and camera

Like BRO

Try use god damn velma first then we can fki ng talk

About spamming velma camera and flashlight

Its arent as bad as some other character spam (looking at you frickin aquaman)

[mossy hill]

Lemme dm something rq

Like isnt zoner should play lil bit campy? Why tf u are using tank and camp then

What even worst velma megaphone is slow af

[grizzled geode]

What other free fighting game out there thats available besides multiversus? I really didnt think this game would end.

[olive pier]

Honestly bro, nothing I don’t think. You just gotta cough up the cash

[mossy hill]

Brawlhalla but i hate the mechanic of the game

[cinder token]

Fighter road xp from loot boxes not converting to battlepass xp

[oblique aspen]

Marceline's Power Slide w/ 3 fireworks just... doesn't connect

like ever

[scarlet parrot]

Come on @umbral summit, @pastel flint and PFG team, let us trade Fighter Currency for Gleamium. You don't have nothing to lose anymore.

[lucid delta]

I probably wouldn't ping them cause they're likely not going to answer this, and i don't this choice is in their hands.

[scarlet parrot]

Yeah, but they work for WB. Better trying than nothing.

[slate jetty]

thing is they dont answer here 98% of the time so doubt..also I think both of them are "faces" mainly not doing the main stuff...but yeah they can pass on suggestions but its a very low chance of it getting in at this point

[olive pier]

A really good idea no cap

[molten geyser]

Please add the wacky weekend game modes to local play.

[scarlet musk]

They are (I think)

[molten geyser]

I can't see anything about that. They're available in custom game mode, but I don't think you can play custom game mode locally.

[scarlet musk]

Ah you may be right, I played them in custom mode against AI, not sure about local sadly

seems like a waste not to have them there

[cinder bronze]

Please don't just lock all of the cosmetics forever when the game is done, even if it's just in the final month/week/whatever just let us have all the skins and stuff for offline play after the game's finished

[lusty sparrow]

i also want this too. all the custom game modes and modifiers should be added to local mode.

[mossy hill]

pfg idk if u guys still gonnaa do plaatch note

butttt

if you did

please just buff velma kill power or gave her another kill power

[toxic sigil]

nubias up air attack is bugged, it does no damage anyone know how to report the bug to get it fixed, they butchered my main and who knows if they'll ever fix it since its going offline soon anyway

[mossy hill]

huh when i play nubia i didnt notice that

[toxic sigil]

use 5% perk and hit someone with the last hit of the up air attack

the first 3 does like 6 but final hit does nothing and no knockback so you cant kill with it

its 100% bugged

[remote dirge]

How 😭

It’s fully bugged. It’s her worst move at the moment

[mossy hill]

cuz i got destroyed by aquaman nair spammer

nonstop

[slate jetty]

lol

[slate jetty]

it works fine for me

[toxic sigil]

is that a tip hit with the tip perk? cause it works with the tip perk I know that but without a tip hit it doesn't do damage I posted a clip in the clips channel showing it does no damage, I'm pretty sure they know its an issue now so just gotta wait on a fix

[sonic folio]

works fine for me as well

[slate jetty]

when you said "no knockback" thought you meant like none at all...yeah the final hit does 0 but is meant to be a "force up" the whole move isnt very strong damage wise but used as an "ender" top of the stage kill move (first 2 hits doing 4 and 2 with 0 knockback and final 0 with high knockback) the three hits are all one move so the move itself is 6 damage with high up knockback

you are meant to push them up with other moves...like special or ground up and lead into the air up. (or combo multiple air ups if you want to be mean)

also its not a power attack..or a charge attack so no..the move will not auto kill at 400% on ground like that in the clip

[olive pier]

Other than grabs, there should be absolutely NOTHING that goes through shields. This is ridiculous man