game-feedback

[foggy ether]

Harley needs Sair nerf

Just had a Harley that spammed that the whole match

Why can she do that instantly over an over so fast?

Even after getting hit?

(BTW. Wasn’t the first time I’ve experienced that from a Harley)

[upper wing]

harley is so busted rn

every other ranked match has a sweat crutching on her

and i just got +3 rp from winning 2-0

yet -30 from a close game with grandmasters, i lost all my progress from playing the entire day in just a few matches

[quick vortex]

allow me to reroll the daily free item once a day i can't get it when i already have the gem maxed out

[lone pelican]

am i the only one that feels that the auto tech is dumb

[eternal hamlet]

fix taz damage plz (at the end of a game the stats show much less damage done that what you actually do with taz)

[viscid pike]

bj's neutral special can do infinite combos and with the perk you can insta kill at 80

[quick vortex]

why are you telling on your self like this? stop holding towards Bj and hold away and you get out of the fake infinite after the second jab

[viscid pike]

infinite's not the main problem

[mossy hill]

honestly

i would say BJ is kinda

balance

"kinda"

but that doesnt mean he cant get some adjustment

[viscid pike]

the neutral special can be charged and deal a total of 24 damage, and the fully charged ground up that you can do after that deals a god like knock back. you can do this move after every two jab with the perk, how is that balanced?

[mossy hill]

like i said

KINDA

"KINDA" again

[viscid pike]

read my message

[mossy hill]

so it isnt entire kit balance

but most of his kit are balance

maybe they could tone down the charged mallet

but again

its slow and need be charged

[viscid pike]

they could just make the neutral special not chainable

[mossy hill]

its gonna stil chainable in 2v2 either way

[viscid pike]

im talkin 1v1

[quick vortex]

he needs it tbh his kill power is insanely low

[mossy hill]

his killpower is mostly on the charged attack

[viscid pike]

dude

[quick vortex]

i played him and unless i hit his charged uptilt i don't kill until around 130

[viscid pike]

well yeh if you do that after 100 its pretty fair but not everyones like you

[viscid pike]

black adam : is a bruiser

also balck adam : hase the weight of a tank

[bitter bramble]

speaking of ranked: Yesterday i (starting out the day in plat2) got into a winning spree against people of lower ranks (plat4 and below) and kept getting 20rp per win, but whenever i lost to any of my sleu of bad matchups i only lost 5 rp. I am now in diamond4 Jason but do not deserve to be here whatsoever. This system is so backwards that it isn't even funny anymore.

[lusty sparrow]

did they even give out beetlejuice event missions on the 20th? seems a long grind still

[low patio]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MultiVersus/s/wzpMnAId2s

I feel like this post can work for some feedback

It’s regarding the balancing on most of the Recommended level characters

[winged stratus]

Fix the matchmaking, i'm currently master 4, i played with a gold 5 on my team against two master 1 and i lost 19 points for this ... currently i'm loosing around 15/30 and i win around 3/10..... it's not even fun....

[hollow swift]

Can batman, idk have just less knockback... Thanks XD

[lofty beacon]

I’m still waiting for Garnets hitboxes to be fixed

Or have attacks that are suppose to hit only in front ONLY HIT FROM THE FRONT

[lyric tapir]

why don't we have Joker, Jason, and Agent Smith ringouts badges yet, but beetlejuice has his

[viscid pike]

garnet has a one shot move

[viscid pike]

somehow she doesnt die out of the top zone, so when she gets there she just puts a down special and if she gets you youre done

[viscid pike]

youre pretty much done after a jab

and you cant kill her when shes doing that cause shes basically out of the arena

[hollow swift]

Can we remove WB logo thingy from the maps for ranked. Its absolutely THE WORST MAP for 1v1 in ranked. ABSOLUTELY NOBODY likes it, and for sure not for ranked. The low height long middle platform makes it the least fun and the LEAST FUNCTIONAL map in the game, so its underserving to be in ranked unless the middle part is removed. Thank you.

[viscid pike]

cant even kill a 180 superman in it

[hollow swift]

Exactly. Its the absolute worst map.

[viscid pike]

yk what i absolutely hate. any freakin player in diamond plays passive after lossing 1 to 3

it disgusts me

[hollow swift]

Who do u play?

[viscid pike]

jack

[hollow swift]

Fair enough. The comment was just a bit sus to me. Just played against a superman on that map and lost on it with him on 180. Would've gone way better on a different map ngl. The fight was right before you said that.

[viscid pike]

yeh jack can only kill with charged specials, he really doesnt have that much kill potential

and hes pretty light for no reason lol

[hollow swift]

Meanwhile every Jack edgeguarding me like there's no tomorrow...

Jack is an edgeguarding god.

[viscid pike]

oh yeh thats the only way to kill under 150 ngl

on larger maps

the problem with jack is that his more braindead moves can kill faster, but it aint called a braindead move for no reason

[hollow swift]

Ur forgetting I'm TnJ. One of the 2-3 extreme light characters. For me edgeguarding like that can kill between 70-100.

[viscid pike]

yup

[hollow swift]

Yup XD

[viscid pike]

cant kill a 158 bugs on rock and morty map

[hollow swift]

I wish TnJ would be heavier ngl. Just a little bit. And just have maybe 3-4 frames faster on like the frying pan and the dynamite.

[viscid pike]

jeez

[hollow swift]

Cause they already don't have high knockback attacks. They don't even have a ground upwards knockback attack at closerange. They have only the Jerry Rocket which on the ground takes about as long as Jack charging his sidespecial, and then for it to start flying is incredibly slow. Then the other is fishing rod, which only deals great knockback at like 90 IF used at like Max range of the rod and used probably on the sweetspot. So the dynamite for protection and the frying for wall 1v1 OR to combat WW and Harley and superman and BASICALLY everyone with a high knockback ground starter would be nice.

[viscid pike]

well they got pretty long combos

maybe thats why theyre not buffed

[hollow swift]

Combos, but no knockback.

And the combos tbh can be really easily dodged out of if dodged at the right time. Or if you di out of em

But their combos have the issue of not dealing much damage either, the one attack that can deal almost 20 damage is ONLY if all 3 dynamites hit you. Thats it. The pingpong which what people complain about a lot does only 1 damage per hit, and totals at like 8 hits. AND you can DI out of the pingpong too.

[viscid pike]

i like how bug's last jab has more knockback then jack's

like jack aint even a bruiser , better make a new role named damage dealer

[mossy hill]

it cuz he gave weaken get more knockback

[sharp fjord]

it's not about the damage of the "pingpong", it's about being stunned and comboed afterwards

the problem with Tom is spamming Jerry throws... Jerry does too much, including stunning by himself... Not every character is able to deal with Jerry quickly enough, and as soon as Jerry is thrown, also comes a fkn rocket, Jerry's cork and a lot of flying projectiles from Tom... It's too much, especially for not having a cooldown

[eternal moon]

Ranked is genuinely just a speedrun of how much you play in one day. It’s literally top dawg challenge. Stay on the game and play all day to climb the leaderboards

Unsure why plat players or gold players get matched with master rank players

[eternal moon]

It’s not even skill it’s just determined on how much you stay on the game and play ranked

[bitter condor]

They should add infinite toasts

@eternal moon what do you think about infinite toasts

[hollow swift]

Jerry doesn't deal that much damage, and CERTAINLY doesn't deal enough knockback, as characters above 150 don't even get knocked out by Jerry. Jerry can only stun up to 4 times and depending on the perk, only 2. The rocket WITHOUT JERRY on it doesn't deal much damage (only about 5), and its impossible to knockout with it, all it does is a small stun AND it will only fly towards Jerry, so u dodge jerry and go out the way and you're FINE. Jerry usually is at a distance from Jerry if he's thrown, so you keep Tom away from Jerry or you just use your charged shield breaker to kill Jerry. Jerry's cork doesn't deal much damage, about 1 or 2, and doesn't even go far. Its literally only if you're RIGHT next to him. Rocket has a cooldown, tennisballs have a cooldown, and dynamite have a cooldown. They all take in between 10 seconds to 30 to recharge. The rocket charges the fastest, and the corks DON'T RECHARGE, they are lost and are automatically used when Tom uses his racket attack. Meaning Jerry can become useless very quick. He has a charge per tennisball he uses. If you havs ever noticed, Tom relies mostly on THROWING JERRY, and after he used all his projectiles, only on close range combos and his fishingrod, which can only knockout on long range.

[bitter condor]

What do you think about infinite toasts

[patent halo]

don't we basically have infinite toasts at this point. I have like 500+

[bitter condor]

Toast people bro

[patent halo]

i do every game

[bitter condor]

You will run out of toasts

It’s sad

[sharp fjord]

the stuns are preventing Tom from being punished and punishing who was trying to punish

and making you being comboed

it's not about the damage Jerry does, it's about what he enables

[bitter condor]

@sharp fjord why are you grumpy

[sharp fjord]

also 30 seconds is nothing... Jerry shot, rocket, projectiles and dash attack, all come right after jerry shot, so he recovers jerry and starts all over again

that's what's like fighting Tom and that's why Jerry shots need a cooldown

[bitter condor]

@sharp fjord is it because you don’t have infinite toasts

[noble perch]

So nobody wants to talk about joker? Jokers cards need a major cool down. Not to mention his up Air hits a Full 180 degree & the hit box is broken.

[hollow swift]

Only if Jerry is close enough to Tom. Plus, there is literally only 2 chances with JERRY. Its your fault for not keeping Tom away from Jerry

[hollow swift]

Good for us, bad for the company. Toasts give fighter currency. Meaning if u have infinite, ur giving away their money infinitely.

[pure silo]

minus 30 per game +3-+4 per gamne

[bitter condor]

THEN TAKE AWAY THE FIGHTER CURRENCY PART

[pure silo]

game expects us to have a 95 percent winrate in order to rank up

(in master 1)

[hazy forge]

Quitting this game in a week if Ranked is not fixed within the week.

I'm getting next to no points for wins and then losing to players my rank or higher it's a huge - 20 or - 25 punishment

Can't do this anymore.

[sharp fjord]

oh, sure, because I'm the one aiming Jerry... that's a very stupid take

[hazy forge]

I just beat a diamond 1 Shaggy who I lost to earlier.

I am Diamond 2 when I lost it was - 24 rp

Now that I've won it's +14 rp

what the???

I have an 80% winrate and cannot progress

[sharp fjord]

when you lost, did you lose 2-0? And when you won, was it 2-1?

just trying to understand their math

[hazy forge]

I lost 2-1 and lost barely and when I won it was a 2-0

[pure silo]

10th game in a row only plus 3 to plus 5 and any loss gives minus 20 to minus 30

[hazy forge]

I just 2-0ed a plat Buggs bunny and got 15rp, 1 more point than when I beat the diamond 1 Shaggy.

why tho

[ionic kettle]

@hazy forgei love how bugs can just run back and fourth underground for unlimited amount of time until he finally catches you

[viscid pike]

got 28 points for beating a plat supes in diamond

[stone ermine]

Can we please nerf superman?

Specially in the armor?

[viscid pike]

remove WB map from ranked

[hazy forge]

Bad idea no.

[viscid pike]

tanks there are unkillable

[slender bear]

i lose likee 80% of my rounds against ig in 2s because of rage mode is it a little broken there?

[viscid pike]

it can kill pretty fast in 1v1 if you get caught by his stomp

[hazy forge]

What in theeeeee I just got 30RP for a win lol we tske those thank you

[gentle zinc]

Complaints about him never really stop but they're not constant in here anymore

[gentle zinc]

Stop approaching to kill jerry on the ground unless you're using Garnet's shoulder charge or armored attacks you shouldn't be on the ground trying to kill jerry

Corks get shot left or right and intended or not they got an arc change that makes the range worse than it used to be so they're not as effective as they used to be rn

If you're playing 2s against Tom good luck though. Got no advice for you with 2s it's just chaos

[viscid pike]

dude im crying rn, my jabs with jack cant kill a 136 dmg batman at the ledge and then he just easily kills me at 90 with his jab at the same place

[gentle zinc]

Fishing rod can kill close to you just gotta angle it to hit the floor

[viscid pike]

like how much more should i try, im getting tired

[distant parrot]

dont let any jabs combo into anything but jab

a jab shoul be raw jab

no jab jab upspecial

[sharp fjord]

"lets have no combos in the game" hurr durr

[noble perch]

Tru truu

[stuck cave]

2v2 matchmaking is legitimately garbage

[noble perch]

I cant kill taz at 386 with jack vs his 186. But they say jack still needs a nerf 🤷🏾‍♂️

[gentle perch]

Today it's bronze one banana and silver 5 shaggy against diamond 5 jack and platinum 2 black adam... You didn't fix the mmr like you said and it's honestly a joke at this point....

[viscid pike]

Anyone who says he needs a nerf are genuinely just playing bad; he doesnt have high damaging combos, his impossible to pull off moves dont have enough knock back(ground up special/ air up special SHOULD kill bellow 120, couldnt kill a 129 bj on the air with it) , the only Highlights here are his neutral special and down air special. And fully charged ground neutral if you know how to bait your opponent(this is the only move that kills under 120 btw).

[sharp fjord]

his strenght is finishing people who are off-stage tho

his off-stage game is the strongest part of his kit

[viscid pike]

Anyone who says he needs a nerf are genuinely just playing bad; he doesnt have high damaging combos, his impossible to pull off moves have low damage and knock back , the only Highlights here are his neutral special and down air special. And fully charged ground neutral if you know how to bait your opponent(this is the only move that kills under 120 btw).

And the Focus thingy is worthless now that the side special requires you to hit (easily dodgeable)

[viscid pike]

Cant do it on harley , batman , Bugs and any other character that has a wide up attack

[viscid pike]

Wait did my message just multiply on its own

[noble perch]

I dont think he needs a nerf his side special is trash now it drops 75% of the time when you land & considering he is the same class as Black adam he is nowhere near the same speed & Jack vs Wonder woman is a hard L.

[viscid pike]

The only thing to do with it is a down air special(mostly the one that hits the ground)

[viscid pike]

And dont forget his weight, hes the lightest bruiser

[hexed roost]

Iron giant doesn’t fit under the acme sign when open..

[umbral elm]

Revert the top blastzone change or do something to prevent people from camping out of bounds

There's no good reason for peeople to be allowed to camp there

Especiaply since there's no indicator that shows where they are when out of the screen (like in Smash)

[unkempt geyser]

Fix ranked rp -25 is wild in platinum

Idk if servers are broke or if that’s just how it is now

[upper wing]

ranked is broken, -30 for every loss, 10 or lower for every win, even against grandmasters

i got 11 rp from beating a grandmaster team

[gentle zinc]

Most of these are people with good DI I'd imagine. Bad DI will kill even okay DI would probably kill and the stages don't have the same sizes on some it'll for sure kill on others not so much

[wraith arch]

Genuinely we need a way to report people for going AFK or quitting and losing the set for you in ranked 2s

[gentle zinc]

Jab still needs a nerf though. Hitbox shouldn't be on his head pulling me down to his foot

Other than that he's cool

[viscid pike]

Dude, nerf? Seriously???

Dont worry 15 damage wont do much when its jack

[gentle zinc]

It's enough to lead to other things and the constant roll jab spam people do with him

Might just be a Jason thing can't remember if I got hit like that with Tom but I'll never not hate him

[viscid pike]

No way ppl Spam that in diamond

[viscid pike]

Nah its definitely a Jason thing

[gentle zinc]

Well I'm plat 4 but they probably do but I've not fought a diamond jack yet only plats and golds

Had 1 that was really good but the rest just spam jab and roll

[viscid pike]

I havent fought a diamond Jack either

Like Im only top 200 but dunno where the other 199 Jacks are cause the only ones I get matched up with are plat

[gentle zinc]

Never know really. I didn't realize it matches you up with people a metal rank above or below

Got a masters last time I play and was shocked

Was a stripe player

Can't stand those mfs but I can't complain they're just hard to hit

[viscid pike]

I dunno if its just me but the master players I get matched up with play with some of the most disgusting braindead passive playstyles youve ever seen

Like there was this beetle juice who only used jab +jab + neutral special +fully charged up attack

Literally cheesing it's way to grandmaster

[gentle zinc]

They're either the most consistent or they're just skill checking you

[viscid pike]

I would definitely love a skill check but what that bj did to me will never be forgotten

[gentle zinc]

I know I do that when I'm playing people I'll do things just to check their knowledge and know how free of a game it'll be

[gentle zinc]

That one didn't send. I get you though sometimes you wonder how they got so high playing so lame or unskillfully

Prob getting matched with lower tiers

[viscid pike]

That neutral special should NOT get chained im telling you, 25 damage and you get stunned for 2 seconds? No thanks

[viscid pike]

Or the Charge shouldnt stack. Another Suggestion would be a cooldown on that stunn

[gentle zinc]

The Beetlejuice scream?

[viscid pike]

Yup

[gentle zinc]

I wasn't a fan of it myself when I got got with it. Though he doesn't seem like he has much or is overturned anywhere other than that going crazy so I don't really mind it rn at least

[viscid pike]

He has infinte jab combos too tho

[sturdy dagger]

ok but why does Agent Smith's jab combo hit from behind? lol.

[gentle zinc]

Some of ya'll don't belong in ranked but you play it anyway

I'm the worst bugs bunny player I know with only about 200 wins since closed testing and all that and i've had two people give up

just play casuals stop playing ranked

[tepid flax]

Nerf lebron the fact he can spam basketballs is cringe

[hazy forge]

Dude I just got 0 to death by a Harley and it's literally as simple as dash attack into fair. That Fair needs a nerf dude wtf

[fervent drum]

KEEP NERFING JACK

[sharp fjord]

please, remove hidden mmr... it makes it so much harder to learn new characters... this system kinda pushes us to stick with 1 character

[noble perch]

We need more perks. The projectile blockers are trash they take to long to activate.

[hazy forge]

Bandage Banana Guard is an awesome skin

[upper wing]

fixed ranked, the rp system is broken and punishing everyone just for playing it

3 rp for beating two master 1 players

[slender bear]

can someone explain why i gain more rp when playing against gold and get a lot less against master?

[upper wing]

ranked is broken currently

the only way to gain and lose points normally rn is to team with a smurf account or just low rank teammage

[slender bear]

its crazy like i have to play against really good players and lose 23 and only gain like 8-12

naa i just lost 25 rp being diamond 2 against master 1 no shot im not gonna play ranked anymore for now hollllyyyy

[bright thunder]

very fun that the online was “fixed” and it’s still bad today

[upper wing]

its super broken rn dont play unless you want to lose hundreds of rp in one sitting

[foggy ether]

I see that too sometimes. Jack has been nerfed into the ground and players still cry about him.
He has zero sauce.
Horrible combo game.
Has no good kill options.
He’s been reduced to Jab.

Harley has been reduced to Sair basically BUT she has good combo game, good kill confirms, for example.

[slender bear]

yea ill wait for it to get fixed thanks for telling me thought something is wrong with my mmr

[upper wing]

i lost 300 rp from it 😭

[slender bear]

damm

[upper wing]

i was 3 places away from grandmaster and now im just mad

[slender bear]

even when being diamond or master it dosent change right normally u gain like 18-23 and lose like 8 right?

[sharp fjord]

honestly, WW is fine where she is... Now we need to get the other characters to her level

[long cipher]

Balance ur game please nerf black Adam and joker it is absurd that they are still this strong,please pfg

[sharp fjord]

how would you balance them?

[long cipher]

Personally, re work joker so he can't jab u until 7 or straight up remove the 0 t d and completely re work ba or reduce his hit boxes and recovery cause he has the safest recovery in the game and can just fly

[sharp fjord]

I agree that joker has some crazy hitboxes and combo game for a mage

his hitboxes should be reduced and his cards should have a longer cooldown, imo

[upper wing]

i dont even care about the cards as much as i think his moves have ridiculous amounts of priority and low startup

some characters cant even contest the options he'll just throw out and spam

[long cipher]

Agreed

[stone ermine]

plz mega nerf steven

like

make him low tier

how fun to see a steven to only camp in the air and spam bubble
and even camp in out of bounds

so fun

[compact sable]

Fix ranked disconnect penalty

i got banned for an hour for someone else leaving the match that i won

also lost rp fix this

[stone ermine]

idk how you did it
but now samurai jack is more annoying than before

[fleet dust]

@sharp fjord i cant find the video u meant the tournament with BA spam

[stone ermine]

HOW CAN YOU TRIED TO MAKE WORSE SAMURAI JACK

BUT INSTEAD MAKE HIM MORE ANNOYING

HOW

[fleet dust]

he still top 5

[stone ermine]

now its time to nerf jake

last one i fought killed before 50%

[fleet dust]

he has cheesy strats tho

but he still meh

its so dumb some jab jab up special is possible

like shaggy

while some doesnt

and it doesnt kill too

[supple depot]

so sometimes my controller just stops responding inbetween matches, this never happens in any other game and it is super annoying my controller is still working but inbetween matches it will just stop responding and the game doesn't pick it up. I play on steam with an xbox microsoft controller for pc

[fervent drum]

Why does Morty's fire kill so early. Doesn't that go against a mage? Mages shouldn't have easy kill moves

[sharp fjord]

The Hazz League #3

[viscid pike]

Some cheezy moves ive been killed by in this Update:

Bj's jab+jab+ fully charged neutral special+ fully charged ground up
With the neutral special perk

Garnet's down special. Goes to the top of the blast zone, out of the arena and places a down special(wont die there for some reason). Then ones shots.

Ill Update this list if I find anything new.

[fleet dust]

uhhh what the timestamp i cant find it

[sharp fjord]

Just watch the black Adams playing

[fleet dust]

its 2 hours long 🤣 cant find which one is the black adam fight

still searching it

is it indigowendigo?

cuz its new single elimination video

that first thing i saw it BA

[delicate maple]

some characters don't speak their diolauge in matches anymore, batman, shaggy, rick, etc. hoping they can fix this soon. 😦

[fleet dust]

Its a bug

[worldly grove]

I always have problems with the turn-arounds and diagonals when playing online. i know i cant be the only 1 because i do rifts or training mode and it seems to work fine? maybe another online multiversus blessing??

[wise tusk]

Rework Steven into two separate fighters

He's so awkward to play as, half of his move set is more aggressive from future, other half of it is passive from Classic

Annoying to play and annoying to Fight, who is this character for genuinely?

It's not like this is a unpopular take either, almost everyone who's watched the show wants Future Steven instead 😔

[quasi geyser]

the beetlejuice stunchain combo is STILL a huge problem for garnet and large hitboxes. there's no way to input out

[umbral elm]

The ranked system might actually be rigged against South American players

NA players win/lose the same amount of points

Here, we lose between 3 or 4 times the points we get for every win

I did the Math a couple days ago, I would be well above 3k points if the system worked like in NA

Like we literally need to win between 3 and 4 games JUST to stay where we are

While NA players rise like a scuba diver's fart with that kind of winrate

Make that make sense PFG

Why are you rigging the system?

Because it's literally impossible to even have a chance to get GM like this

You have to grind 3 to 4 times as hard to climb, which coupled with how much GM's grind in NA

It makes it mathematically impossible even if you nolife the game

If I assume ±25 for each game, I would have been at around 4100 points

If we do ±20 I would have been around 3300

I don't think it's intentional, but in practice, it ends up being mathematically rigged against South America and other underrepresented regions

Because there's no good reason that players with the same winrate but a lot less games played should be placed higher than someone that is more consistent

Because here we get on average +7 per win and -25 if we lose, that's about 3.57 times what you get for wins

The ratio is completely screwed up

[cinder pebble]

blud never heard of mmr,have u ever played league of legends?

[umbral elm]

So you are saying it's fair that I have to grind 3.57 times harder than NA players for some reason I have no contol over?

Because this makes it mathematically impossible for any non-NA players to get to GM

[cinder pebble]

yk u can still play brawlhalla

[umbral elm]

So I can't complain about the system not being fair

Because Brawlhalla exists?

Is this the hill you want to die on?

[cinder pebble]

the game is dead pookie,rn only 900 players r playing on steam

[umbral elm]

And?

[cinder pebble]

with ps and xbox maybe 2-3k players online

max

[umbral elm]

Why are you here then?

You are derailing the conversation for no reason

[cinder pebble]

so if u just play the game u can reach master,just play the meta,ik the ranked is bad rn but u just have to grind

[umbral elm]

Except it's not possible

To reach GM

Because we have to grind over 3 times harder

Than people that are no lifing the game as well

Reaching GM is mathematically impossible

If you are in South America

[cinder pebble]

its in every single game,bh eu servers r harder then nae,on jpn servers its easy to hit t150

[cinder pebble]

im eu uwu

[umbral elm]

Except you don't have separate leaderboards

So it's not possible if your region gets screwed by the rank system

Idk how it's in EU

But NA players get around 25 points per win

[cinder pebble]

try to have fun till do something about ranked,ik its rlly rlly bad rn but we cant do anything

[umbral elm]

I play on brackets

Cuz ranked is cooked

[gentle zinc]

It's 7am

[cinder pebble]

still dead,just check tekken 8 player count or bh

[autumn estuary]

most of the players are on console

[cinder pebble]

ik but its still a dead game,they have to do something,like remove pay walls,new ranked system,some balance

[autumn estuary]

most people don't buy a pc to play platform fighters anybody on pc playing this game is purely coincidence

also epic games store exists

[cinder pebble]

what r u talking about? have u ever played any platform fighter at top lvl?

[autumn estuary]

top level players might be on PC that's not indicative of an entire playerbase

look at my username do you think i'm fighting top players regularly

[cinder pebble]

its not might be,its a must

lets just say u have 60fps in mvs on ps or xbox,if i play on pc i can get way more fps than u

sadly this is hard to go pro in ps or xbox

respect for every ps or xbox player

[autumn estuary]

this is the only game in the general fighting game sphere i've ever cared about i thought mvs had capped fps now or was that just a 💩 post i read

either way that's so irrelevant to the point bc top players are by definition a very small portion of the playerbase unless it's dead dead like nasb2

[quasi geyser]

areyou using event costumes? they boost losses too

[mossy hill]

insert asia GM player

[foggy ether]

More players are on console. Get those numbers and add that to other numbers like Steam numbers. THEN you can say it’s a “Dead Game” or not

[mossy hill]

people forget that its not only on steam lol

[foggy ether]

For real.

[mossy hill]

if u said like nick all star

sure its super dead lol

[foggy ether]

If this game released on Switch it would be so good for the game

[mossy hill]

they would compete

[foggy ether]

It needs that

But I’m unsure if it would happen. I think it’s possible

[umbral elm]

In that case, it's a South America problem

[quasi geyser]

also, garnet's dance shield has inconsistent effects on tom and jerry's dynamite

[gentle zinc]

Numbers for Tekken have a bunch of negative months like this one. Fighting games in general aren't super popular on PC. they almost always lose most of their player base. Brawhalla is the only one and SF6 that keep a fairly consistent playerbase

This game's case it's no surprise and people don't like ranked rn so it makes a lot of sense. Doesn't mean the game is dying unless console numbers are trash because fighting games are biggest on PS.

[gentle zinc]

Would be good. Those mfs will probably be the most cracked

[foggy ether]

PFG

Even though there’s hurtbox and Hitbox changes I’d like to see in the game (Black Adam clap for example)

There’s two major things I think that needs immediate attention.

RANKED:
The RP system in ranked MUST change.
It’s one of the most discouraging ranked systems I’ve experienced.
Although I have obtained Masters, it felt very unrealistic to achieve and now with Grand Master Rank here with the same RP system in force I don’t think it’s possible to obtain for many. Any rank should at least be possible to obtain for any player as long as they put in decent time and most of all SKILL.
A change must be made to the system.

REWARDS AND MARKETPLACE:

I’ve noticed as well as other players, the abundance of Perk Currency that overflowing in our MVS wallets.
(Heck with all these currencies we should have a MVS wallet lol)
And yet, for Challenges we get MORE Perk Currency.
Why? When rewards are lack luster like that, it is NOT very encouraging. Motivation plummets.
The season currency rewarding a choice of reward is a good idea keep those up.
But why take away the Top Dog challenge badge away? Improve upon it, dont regress the progress.
And I thought it would have been really cool to unlock BeetleJuice with the green beetles.

[mossy hill]

yeah BA need be rework or something

[gentle zinc]

Please rework or nerf that mf and hit Superman too.

[mossy hill]

superman shouldnt able to combo... into nonstop grab

[slender bear]

ig rage mode in 2s feels like an instant win button or im just bad idk most of the time with the amount of stuff going you gonna get catched by something

[gentle zinc]

The amount of armor spam on him and the grab having so much priority kills me.

Grabs are grabs they should beat most things if not everything BUT he needs a counter or to not be able to cancel it

Can't punish it when he just cancels it or I get grabbed from trying to hit him from above

[foggy ether]

If Zangief grabs you your cooked. If he whiffs it’s a ton of lag.

Perfect grappler

[hollow gulch]

a 401k is not a very highly recommended retirement plan. This is primarily due to the fact that if you begin investing too soon. You will be paying a lot of money in taxes which will severely limit the amount of wealth you can garner. What is more recommended is an IPA which will allow you to grow your wealth in a tax-deferred manner, meaning you won't have to pay taxes on the investment gains until you withdraw the money during retirement. This can lead to potentially higher growth over time, as your investments have more opportunity to compound without the immediate tax burden. Additionally, an IPA may offer more flexibility in investment choices and contribution limits, allowing you to tailor your retirement strategy more effectively to your specific financial goals.

[mossy hill]

Like how velmas cant

[gentle zinc]

Facts

[gentle zinc]

Explain pls I'm lost

[tacit aspen]

Maybe how velmas cant cancel their ground side special

[gentle zinc]

Oh yeah especially since that move barely does anything. Superman's fly grab should be the same or have less distance and more end lag or just remove being able to cancel it

[sharp fjord]

fkn hate canceling moves... it's cheap af, and requires no commitment...

I'd remove them all

[mossy hill]

she used to able do that in beta BUT THEY DECIDE REMOVE IT welp there goes her mommentum lol

[gentle zinc]

On hit yes whiff not at all

[gentle zinc]

She got overnerfed

[sharp fjord]

I'd remove on whiff too... :p

[gentle zinc]

No I mean on whiff you get no cancel

On hit you can cancel

[mossy hill]

yeah she got hit too hard

[hollow swift]

If YOU can't push Tom away from Jerry with any simple attack, then thats on you. Tom is one of the lightest characters, you can EASILY push him away with any attack that does knockback. Most characters can kill Jerry with 1 attack. Its not a stupid take, you are just not skilled in the game and are putting that blame on others. ANY player I play against in ranked understands that part and does well to get Jerry away from me even if I throw him close. The only one extremely complaining about it is you, and people without enough game knowledge to do so. Meaning you are the problem

[hollow swift]

Only if on REALLY high percentage, which goes about 150-180 UNLESS its someone like Arya or Gizmo, who each are the other lightest characters and can be killed around 140-160 with short range fishingrod. The fishing rod is MEANT for long distance more guaranteed kill. Thats the point of the entire attack. If you use it very long range, it can kill Arya and Harley etc at 90 and 100 even in the air. But again, thats ONLY long range.

[sharp fjord]

another stupid take

[hollow swift]

If its a stupid take then you shouln'd be on the internet yet cause you can't handle your own insecurities

[sharp fjord]

says the Tom main downplaying Tom

[gentle zinc]

Imma have to fight that fishing pole one but I gotta get a clip for it first. It kills earlier than what you're saying at long ranges you can get some even nicer ones with the sweet spot

[gentle zinc]

#clips message

Small stage is the only real difference here but it wasn't a long range hit either

[sharp fjord]

We have to deal with Jerry shot, rocket, jerry's corks, tom projectiles and dash attack, all before we're able to do anything to Tom, and even if somehow we manage to avoid all that and get closer to Tom, there's still dynamites

[hollow swift]

I love that you haven't even stated who you play

[gentle zinc]

He plays Rick

[sharp fjord]

I used to play Rick, right now I'm looking for a new main

[gentle zinc]

I think you need a bruiser or assassin

[hollow swift]

One dynamite. ONE with the perk. 3 Tennisballs. Tom dash attack has no priority, you attack and win that 1v1.

[sharp fjord]

Tom dash attack doesn't need priority when a jerry cork hit you from behind and you're stunned

[viscid pike]

iron giant

[hollow swift]

That is Joker, I don't know Joker's weight but from what I've seen he's light so it makes sense for him to die at 120

[sharp fjord]

Joker is about the same weight as Batman and Shaggy

he has the weight of a bruiser

[viscid pike]

iron gaint has the most win rate in ranked more then any other character, could anyone guss why?😛

[gentle zinc]

Joker is like 2900+ that's like medium

[hollow swift]

Proof?

[gentle zinc]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ihEFHf01I8lKibPkAEavEaqZyU-VV9MGeKGZ-PmjeQM/edit?usp=drivesdk

[viscid pike]

guess whos a bruiser and has lower weight then jonkler

[gentle zinc]

Now the doc is a little old but weights aren't changing a ton

[viscid pike]

its definietly not jack😛

[hollow swift]

That still isn't full proof, PLUS it can't be right for the sole reason that Jack takes more damage to knockout than Joker.

[gentle zinc]

Well you're gonna tempt me to get in that training room

[hollow swift]

Yup, plus put that character on recovery so it won't be as easy

[gentle zinc]

Of course. I can't cheese it. I wanna keep whatever credibility I have

If any

[hollow swift]

Bro. That is SO SITUATIONAL, you must be absolutely the worst Rick player ever if you can't deal with TnJ. Like fr. I STRUGGLE against good Ricks and barely ever win. This is literally just a YOU issue.

[hollow swift]

XD Perfect

If u want I can test it out with u

But I'll need to go at 9

[earnest rune]

I kinda wish Ceiling and Wall bounces didn't count as a point for the ground tech thing
Kinda ruins Court 2 and Scooby Mansion for me

[hollow swift]

Which is like 7 minutes

[gentle zinc]

I'm at work for 3 more hrs 😂

[hollow swift]

Nevermind then XD

Hit me up to test it out sometime. I'll have to stream and no clue what to play ngl

[sharp fjord]

ok dude, you're probably the best player in the world, congratulations

I'm just gonna ignore you

[hollow swift]

I'm in the top 300 so clearly not. You just have to learn how to play the game decently

[sharp fjord]

you're gonna keep trying to argument that your character isn't super busted

so whatever

[hollow swift]

Its not, and even in the rankings it shows its not. Rick with the new buff is literally better than TnJ

[viscid pike]

forget all of that, just a ground up nerf

[hollow swift]

Not by a huge mile, but he is better @sharp fjord

[sharp fjord]

I just think Jerry shot needs a cooldown, and they could buff other parts of tom's kit to compensate

[gentle zinc]

I don't want a Jerry cooldown

[hollow swift]

Bro, its literally his MAIN attack. its like putting a cooldown on YOUR GUN

[viscid pike]

well jerry can be easily killed so i dont think so

[gentle zinc]

Jerry cooldown would feel horrid and for sure make the already not good t&j players spam paddle more

[hollow swift]

Putting a cooldown on Jerry shot is cripling the entire character. Thats the WORST take I've heard in my life

[sharp fjord]

really? tell me how Rick's main tool being portal has over 1 minute cooldown

[hollow swift]

You gain a replacement attack for it. We don't 😄

[gentle zinc]

Probably because of how good it is for recovering and the cool stuff you can do with projectiles with it

[sharp fjord]

sure, Ski, which has almost 2 seconds startup to even become active

[gentle zinc]

Rick + Jason can insta kill whomever with Jason bag

[hollow swift]

After tennisballs and jerry is gone, our NEUTRAL does absolutely nothing. Is just does a denied sound 😄

[sharp fjord]

like Tom doesn't have recovery stuff too

[gentle zinc]

But that's a 2s issue

[viscid pike]

good lord i only play 1s

[gentle zinc]

Well it's not guaranteed like the portal is that's all I'm saying

[gentle zinc]

It's funny tbh 😂

[sharp fjord]

still, Rick has 1 minute cooldown for that "powerful recovery"

how long is Tom's?

[hollow swift]

Barely any. you know their recovery exists out of fishing rod and Rocket in the air right. Thats their only recovery

[viscid pike]

dawg 1s aint even better, garnet cheese is scary asf in 1s

[hollow swift]

They can't recover upwards

[gentle zinc]

However long rocket is but idk.

[gentle zinc]

The down air?

[sharp fjord]

and we're not even mentioning Tom's jab

[hollow swift]

Basically and its like a small double jump

[sharp fjord]

that startup is crazy

[viscid pike]

yeh she wont die in the top blast zone for some reason, so she just gets there and places one

[hollow swift]

Oh God you wanna go there? The jab that has less reach than most characters INCLUDING YOURS

[sharp fjord]

Rick's jab now has a 6 frames window to start up

[hollow swift]

And? Your jab is stronger cause it has a ROCKET

[sharp fjord]

sure, Tom's jab doesn't have much reach, I'll give you that

[sharp fjord]

wanna compare Rocket to paddle? really?

[hollow swift]

Paddle is not part of the jab

[gentle zinc]

It's weird tbh. Jerry rocket will.fix that

[sharp fjord]

but jab can connect to paddle

[hollow swift]

Paddle does 1 damage per hit and does only 8 hits

[gentle zinc]

Rocket kills jerry 1 hit I think

[sharp fjord]

impossible because Rocket is mid height

it flies over jerry

[hollow swift]

Not quickly. U can dodge out of it fr. Every rick does it when I try 😄

[viscid pike]

cant even see her out of the map, no name tag no nothing

[hollow swift]

Lies

[gentle zinc]

So it got nerfed on the tracking I guess.

[sharp fjord]

???????????

[hollow swift]

IT hits Jerry cause every Rick does it

[sharp fjord]

Rocket never had tracking wtf are you talking about

[hollow swift]

Thats literally how I lose Jerry against every Rick

[sharp fjord]

You're tripping, dude... Rocket comes out of his shoulder height

it can only hit jerry if jerry is super far, or maybe if it hits Jerry while he's still traveling

[gentle zinc]

Idk I thought it had some light tracking

[hollow swift]

He means the the trajectory I'm sure

[gentle zinc]

They used to use it to kill my Jerry a lot

[hollow swift]

It can hit Jerry from 1 rick space away

Just tested it

[sharp fjord]

the rocket falls down with traveling distance, that's why I'm saying that for that Rocket to hit jerry, jerry needs to be very far from Rick

[hollow swift]

Also Jerry can't instantly shoot cork, he has to charge it

[gentle zinc]

Charged corks are clutch. They never expect it

[hollow swift]

Only a small distance, it doesn't need to be perfectly on Jerry. The moment it literally hits his hair he dies.

[sharp fjord]

now test how long it takes for that rocket to come out

[urban pasture]

you took so long to get ranked out. now you take so long to fix the most basic but biggest problem of it: Being matched with such big difference that it is just a bad system. Make 1 full league max difference up or down for ranked. its just tedious

[sharp fjord]

and see how long he has to stand in place for that

[hollow swift]

Not long

[sharp fjord]

and then tell me how many things Tom can do meanwhile

...

you're capping dude

I'm done arguing with you

really

downplay Tom all you want

[hollow swift]

LMAO you have 2 PEOPLE who told you that ur wrong

[sharp fjord]

2 fkn TOM MAINS

WHAT DO YOU EXPECT

[hollow swift]

SO WE'D KNOW FOR SURE WHEN WE FACE A RICK

[gentle zinc]

😂

[sharp fjord]

again, downplay Tom all you want

[hollow swift]

OH SURE LET ME BE A WONDERWOMAN MAIN AND TALK ABOUT HOW YOU CAN KILL TOM AS RICK CAUSE THAT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE DOESN'T IT

[gentle zinc]

I just don't think Rick is as bad as you say. I'm not trying to dismiss your struggles but I think it's just your playstyle gimping you but idk

[hollow swift]

EXACLTY

[gentle zinc]

I don't really play the same for each character

[hollow swift]

But he won't accept it

[sharp fjord]

like you won't accept that spamming Jerry is toxic to the game

so we agree to disagree

[hollow swift]

I play with a rick main in duos. Rick KILLS JERRY EASILY.

[sharp fjord]

duos is chaos

it doesn't count

[hollow swift]

So is shooting your gun toxic to the game?

And I don't want u to argue, I want a simple answer

[gentle zinc]

Because it's crucial to his whole kit and it's the only thing not on a cooldown other than the scratches and trash can lids

[sharp fjord]

you wanna compare the laser pistol to all that jerry does

you really wanna say that pistol is as powerful as jerry?

[gentle zinc]

It doesn't kill until high percentage unless you shoot it down at them

[hollow swift]

Please shut up and answer the question if its toxic.

[sharp fjord]

"shut up"???? who the fk you think you're talking to????

[viscid pike]

oh hell nah that pistol makes me wanna call rick a bruiser

[lofty beacon]

lol

[hollow swift]

Someone who can't answer the question I'm asking to continue arguing with himself

[sharp fjord]

fk you, shove jerry up your ass

[hollow swift]

Sure. Right after he downs ur Rick cause u can't play him

[gentle zinc]

he can say that but I can't say the s word for poo.

[hollow swift]

Could be a report ngl

[lofty beacon]

Tbh as some who plays T&J, Jerry spam is toxic

[hollow swift]

LMAO

[lofty beacon]

That’s why I play him💀💀

Once I get mad, I switch to T&J and ruin the game for someone else

[hollow swift]

Ur a troll @lofty beacon XD

[gentle zinc]

Ouchie

[gentle zinc]

When I play Black Adam and Superman I spam paddle

Jack too

I spam more jabs against Adam than anything

[hollow swift]

Yeah cause they are tall enough for it to work on them

[gentle zinc]

Exactly and they're both super annoying

[hollow swift]

Yuppppp

[gentle zinc]

Jack is just irritating with the jab

[hollow swift]

Jacks most annoying part is his spin air attack and his side special

[viscid pike]

LOL

[hollow swift]

Its to me, thats an opinion man

[gentle zinc]

Just jab for me. After whatever nerf if feels like the side special spam went down a bit. The jab hits me when I'm above at his head and I can't stand it

[hollow swift]

Side special kills my Jerry, and in its initial release it destroyed my projectiles too. I can still dislike it for that reason.

[hollow swift]

Since the nerf I think the special is better. BUT GOD WHEN THEY STILL SPAM IT I WANNA PULL MY HAIR OUTTT

[gentle zinc]

Maybe they'll nerf him again 😂

Kinda doubt it but idk.

[viscid pike]

his side speical is pretty easy to dodge so yeh its a hot take, and now that theyve nerfed the focused version its pretty much useless till youre enemy runs out of dodges

[hollow swift]

It is until he is edgeguarding and your resources are limited

[hollow swift]

Its not useless its still a pretty decent attack. Just more manageable now

[viscid pike]

never seen a jack edgeguard with side special in ranked

[hollow swift]

I have. Its absolutely horrible.

[gentle zinc]

They do a lot when you're Jason

[hollow swift]

I'm 300 in ranked now. It happens all the time

[viscid pike]

thats pretty punishable jeez

[sharp fjord]

in Jack's defense, it still works a lot to hold side special after a combo and release it after the enemy dodged

it's a gamble now

[gentle zinc]

Dodging behind him never works so i can second that ^

[hollow swift]

Thats the point. I don't think its a bad a attack. Its pretty good. Just not op anymore.

[gentle zinc]

I wonder if any of the devs ever just sit and read us argue and debate in this chat

[hollow swift]

I hope not cause they then will read that message of cooldown on Jerry throw and actually do it, crippling the entire character

[gentle zinc]

Would definitely suck but I'd still play em. They have other things they could do if they'd decide to change em though

[sharp fjord]

funny how he ignored the fact that I also said I'd buff other parts of his kit to compensate

[gentle zinc]

What kind of compensation we talking

[sharp fjord]

dunno, making other things more reliable or stronger

like giving him more killing options

or whatever

[hollow swift]

It might make me leave fr. Its what their entire kit revolves around almost.

[sharp fjord]

I didn't mean a straight up nerf

[gentle zinc]

I think Tom is good as is rn. While some think Jerry or paddle are bs I think they're a strong A tier.

Though some might use him being the #1 player rn against me

At least as of whatever video I saw

#1 ranked player is a t&j

[hollow swift]

I wouln'd say Strong A. I'd say low A. But I also don't see every op character as S tier so...

[gentle zinc]

Yeah everybody still wants Joker nerfed but I think he's fine

[hollow swift]

But he is literally insane XD

[gentle zinc]

I haven't seen him play

[hollow swift]

Oh hell I just don't want him to be able to kill me at 20.

With that stupid upwards combo

They nerfed the one for TnJ but not for Joker?

Like wth

[gentle zinc]

Don't think I've been killed by it since his nerf tbh

I hate these 3 though

[sharp fjord]

to me, Joker's problem is his crazy hitboxes

Pogo has an insane hitbox

makes no sense

[hollow swift]

I have. Anyways gotta leave for stream. Byebyee

[gentle zinc]

Peace

[gentle zinc]

It's really fast too

[sharp fjord]

and no character should have 0tD

0tD is just bad for the game

[gentle zinc]

The only reason I don't fully agree is because I think they're okay if it takes skill. Some of the ones in this game take little skill some are only doable if you don't know how to DI and when in burnout anything can be done

Once I see the sweat I just throw out the best move to hit at the moment and get that free kill

[sharp fjord]

I don't think it's ok because the game has to be fun to everyone involved... if the person dies without a chance, it's not fun and will make the game lose players

I was talking about true 0td

[gentle zinc]

That's valid we don't want half the playerbase running around doing today combos

[sharp fjord]

no DIable ones

[gentle zinc]

Okay so basically what Joker does

[sharp fjord]

even as a former Rick player, some of his combos were not healthy to the game

I had a true 97 damage combo

that's not healthy

[gentle zinc]

Is it still true is my question because I've not died from it since his nerf so I just assume it's one you can DI out of

Maybe they just drop.it

[sharp fjord]

which one are you talking about?

[sturdy dagger]

More perks, please. We haven’t had a single perk update to existing perks except for the addition of new character’s signature perks.

Perks offer customization of fighting style and should have way more focus than, for example, PvE content like Rifts.

[gentle zinc]

Jab jab, pogo, gas, baton, baton , up air

Something like that

[sharp fjord]

I think that's a true combo

at least starting with Pogo I'm 90% sure it is

[gentle zinc]

They took a lot out. Only assumption is because most were useless and a few were OP like the DI one was a must have

[gentle zinc]

I think it's definitely true but I've not died off of it as a 0 to death in forever

There's also the balloon variation

[sharp fjord]

This one was 94, but I got to 97 later
https://youtu.be/sP8YkdC0IW0

[gentle zinc]

Which probably does kill but idk

[gentle zinc]

Pretty nice his combos are cool to me

[sharp fjord]

I think the baloon is more of a gamble... it's not guaranteed to hit

[gentle zinc]

Same for morty but they just spam dirt and grenades these days

[sharp fjord]

I think it depends on DI of the opponent

[sharp fjord]

they were... now his combos are like 40 damage

he feels more of a setup character, and I hate it

I mean, I guess 40 is ok... 90+ is too much for a single touch

[gentle zinc]

90 is getting close to tod range

The Rick's I fight use meeseek a lot and that jet ski

And gun

[sharp fjord]

personally I think Ski is pretty bad... it's only ok at midrange

it has almost 2 seconds startup

almost 2 seconds to become active

that's pretty bad

[gentle zinc]

It might only be good from certain setups or combo starters

[sharp fjord]

and it's actually only active for a bit

[gentle zinc]

Some just spam it 😂

[sharp fjord]

as soon as it starts losing momentum, it doesn't even hit anymore

[gentle zinc]

Short active hitbox

[sharp fjord]

with long startup

so not a great move

[gentle zinc]

You should play Jason

Starts out rough though

[sharp fjord]

I'm scared of his dodge

seems pretty bad

[gentle zinc]

In air yeah very

You got forward air up special and now armored grab though

[sharp fjord]

I like combo characters

[gentle zinc]

Up attack too but it's weird

Jason is combo and reads

In the beginning mostly reads I guess

I love him. I consider myself a t&j main first but I've loved Jason so much I'm at 1k+ wins with him before Tom already

Been playing Tom since the tech test

Gonna send 2 clips that explain why I love Jason

Better yet 3

[sharp fjord]

Jason doesn't seem to have combos, tbh

I don't think I've ever seen any relevant true combo by jason

[gentle zinc]

#clips message

[sharp fjord]

why that poor WW didn't dodge tho Q_Q

[gentle zinc]

Jab jab teleport is what most spam. You can do jab jab,stomp, up air depending on damage.
Jab jab, axe grab.
He has a lot it's just not a ton of the players really use em you'd have to watch the hardcore Jason players to see em

[sharp fjord]

any combo extension?

[gentle zinc]

She did she ran out at some point I wanna say. WW is the reason I started playing him after realizing his grabs (all grabs) ignore armor

[sharp fjord]

Jason seems like he has jab, jab something, but nothing besides that

[gentle zinc]

Since the bounce tech update he lost the double teleport

[gentle zinc]

Yeah jab jab works for almost anything. It's all anyone seems to know but he can start with other moves just nobody does it

They showed a new one in the stream for the update that was super cool

[sharp fjord]

I think the tech system is not working properly... I've noticed many times the enemy teching after just 1 bounce

[gentle zinc]

I haven't noticed but I did see a morty complaining the grenade caused a bounce somehow in a scenario where it shouldn't

Maybe more of that happening?

[sharp fjord]

I imagine Jason has a lot of issues vs BA

[gentle zinc]

I hate that mf for a reason but on Jason Superman is worse imo. Both suck though

Long as I don't play into the double air shocks into the double punches I can usually win

Mad annoying character though regardless of who I play. (So far)

T&J, Jason, Bugs, Taz basically dropped Taz though and I'm a pretty trash rabbit most of the time. He has a flow to him that is weird to get used to

Like you have to slow yourself down to do his combos properly

[sharp fjord]

I'm not seeing much combo potential to Jason tbh 😐

I'm testing him in the lab

[gentle zinc]

Down air is a good combo starter for him, the air grab if it stage bounces (though they mightve removed it), down special can cancel on first hit

And stomp can be canceled with jump I think.

[sharp fjord]

but they don't connect to other stuff

I only found jab, jab, cancel into up attack

[gentle zinc]

He's not super crazy on combos I guess, but if you can read the opponents you basically make it a combo..

[sharp fjord]

21 damage

[gentle zinc]

I'll try to find some clips I might have or when I get home record some I know

[sharp fjord]

the only iad combo I found so far

[gentle zinc]

How much damage you looking for in a combo?

Assuming like 50+

[sharp fjord]

40-50 is ok

I expected him to have something that combos out of an iad

like everybody

[gentle zinc]

Mmmmm from In air dodge right?

[sharp fjord]

yes

or just a dodge

anything that extends his jab jab combo

into more than 1 hit

[gentle zinc]

I don't think he has unless I'm having some memory block

[sharp fjord]

Jason doesnt seem to be able to extend his combos with any type of dodge

[gentle zinc]

The jab combos get pretty limited since everything is so slow it HAS to be a read if you start with jabs and don't do teleport.

[sharp fjord]

except for that iad/up attack

[gentle zinc]

If you get air grab near the ground you can iad into some jabs

Depending on damage the neutral air axe as well I think

The other Jason mains might have something I don't.

But most of him combos should be from stomp, slam, jab, and the down special now.

And neutral aired special depending on all the usual factors

The combos aren't usually very long though.

[gentle zinc]

From the devs as an example for how his combos work I guess
#clips message

He does stuff like that. Like the Rick combo you sent I don't think he can do a ton like that. Most I've ever gotten was like jab jab, stomp, up air, up air or replacing the second with up special

Everything else is decently short outside of some scenarios where they get a little nicer

[toxic prism]

Something has to be done about this disconnect penalty because I just tried to start a match with a homie. Never even got out of the pair up screen before it sent me back to homescreen. 5 minutes later I’m getting a -10 disconnect penalty that has deranked me. Are yall going to fix this issue?

[gentle zinc]

RBKeyz has a video for Jason combos ( maybe ignore the dodge combos from jab 1 I don't think those work anymore)

[sharp fjord]

that combo in clips is very nice, but feels kinda hard to execute... I'll try it more after work

[toxic prism]

Feels like Harley is too light now — every single side special move will yeet her to a knockout ranging from 40 damage to 85 damage. It also feels like her ground up special doesn’t have the launching power it did in the past. It’s taking significantly longer to knock out as Harley which makes every game very grindy where inevitably it comes down to one person landing the right move. Harley needs buff because the nerfs have made her extremely weak right now in game.

[bitter bramble]

why does a double 3 stock victory in a ditto only award 9 rp, but losing 2-1 loses me 20 rp

[gentle zinc]

She's good where she is. She's still at least a top 10 character at least. Still very good.

[toxic prism]

Just contributing my personal feedback having played her since the relaunch. Only really noticing her nerfs in the past week or so since the mid season patch.

[gentle zinc]

Gotcha. You have a great day sir.

[toxic prism]

You too — hope courage comes to MVS!

[gentle zinc]

I'll cry when he does!

[cyan patrol]

Very first 2v2 ranked game as shaggy. It gives me a bronze 5 teammate vs a team of platinum players. Like the matchmaking in this is just unacceptably bad and it's been this bad since beta meaning after years of development it's still this embarrassingly bad.

[gentle zinc]

I think it's MMR based instead of rank based

[noble perch]

Why Does Taz have Armour on every single move???? 😡

[upper wing]

so when are we nerfing black adams disgusting overtuned kit

[little aurora]

I took a break and came back hoping I was just playing too much, but man it still feels like booty after that patch. Marceline ringout is still missing, radio silence from support about that. They took away the one thing I spent my actual money on and they decide to go silent on it.

[foggy ether]

Harley isn’t weak… at all.
She’s been eating good this patch.
She probably has best Sair in the game. Good combo game. Kill confirms. Kill options. And even has stage control.
She doesn’t need a buff at all

[toxic prism]

Specifically I’ve noticed her ground special is a lot weaker and that’s what I was mainly commenting on. I also think they made her lighter just bc she seems to stock out faster — I don’t disagree with what your saying these are specific feedback nitpicks

[upper wing]

black adam NEEDS a major nerf hotfix, this character has such an abusable moveset that he makes everyone play his own game where he gets to spam and camp. this character is a choose to lose

[foggy ether]

PFG

Even though there’s hurtbox and Hitbox changes I’d like to see in the game (Black Adam clap for example)
And I think the recent mid season update is a good step in the right direction (like having tech in the game, we needed that, and nerfing jab because jab is SO strong in this game even now)

There’s two major things I think that needs immediate attention.

RANKED:
The RP system in ranked MUST change.
It’s one of the most discouraging ranked systems I’ve experienced.
Although I have obtained Masters, it felt very unrealistic to achieve and now with Grand Master Rank here with the same RP system in force I don’t think it’s possible to obtain for many. Any rank should at least be possible to obtain for any player as long as they put in decent time and most of all SKILL.
A change must be made to the system.

REWARDS AND MARKETPLACE:

I’ve noticed as well as other players, the abundance of Perk Currency that overflowing in our MVS wallets.
(Heck with all these currencies we should have a MVS wallet lol)
And yet, for Challenges we get MORE Perk Currency.
Why? When rewards are lack luster like that, it is NOT very encouraging. Motivation plummets.
The season currency rewarding a choice of reward is a good idea keep those up.
But why take away the Top Dog challenge badge away? Improve upon it, dont regress the progress.
And I thought it would have been really cool to unlock BeetleJuice with the green beetles.

[gentle zinc]

alright buddy you owe me a coffee now #clips message

[safe wadi]

at 0 you can usually jab jab dlight into a true jab

so IAD nair jab jab dlight jab jab ulight uair is true for 53 vs shaggy

[gentle zinc]

@sharp fjord I knew my Jason brothers had me

[hollow swift]

Very inconsistent tho, but fair it is below 150 and around 100 to 130. I did say that Joker seems lighter than on the doc so that he does die earlier between 90

[safe wadi]

nair jab jab dlight jab jab dlight jab jab ulight uair is true for 66

bot set to dodge away after hitstun

[hollow swift]

But

[gentle zinc]

sweet spot is easy you just pull back before it hits you can only hit with the hook

if you let it do it by itself it just does the normal hit

[hollow swift]

But one thing, the conversation was ALSO that in short range you can't do that

The video is all long range

[gentle zinc]

forgot to mention that yeah you were right on that part the short range hits do not kill that early

basically just sets you up to be punished

[hollow swift]

But you are right that it does kill about 10 to 20 points lower than I mentioned

So it will be a decaf XD

[gentle zinc]

now with JASON and Iron Giant maybe 130 with that sweet spot

[gentle zinc]

Its free i'll take it xD

[hollow swift]

Jason for sure

Iron giant 150 to 160

I'm pretty sure

[safe wadi]

dair jab jab dlight jab jab dlight jab jab ulight uair is true for 67 and that's about as high as I can do

[gentle zinc]

I love fishing pole its funny af they don't expect it. IG idk truly he don't seem to ever die off top

[hollow swift]

Alr dm and hold off to my paycheck for this week XD

[gentle zinc]

its okay I was only joking 😂

[hollow swift]

I kill him that way but with jerry rocket and fishing rodd

[hollow swift]

Nahhh I'm a man of my wordd, I was wrong so u earned it XD

[gentle zinc]

I can't say no to that

[hollow swift]

Dm me the paypal email and I'll send the 2-3 bucks to it XDDD

By the end of this week promise XD

[gentle zinc]

whenever you get it

[sharp fjord]

that's a nice one! Thanks

kinda depends on read tho... that start up for nair is kinda long

[safe wadi]

yeah it's easier just to start with jab

[sharp fjord]

it almost kills tho

[safe wadi]

yeah if you read a dodge in or out you can kill with air uspecial

[sharp fjord]

and if the enemy is like 15, the uplight doesn't work anymore

[sharp fjord]

have you tried this combo????

canceling air down special is so fkn hard, wtf

[gentle zinc]

yeah if he's doing the run you gotta start it from higher up

the run only comes out if he lands with the first hit

[polar gorge]

Give LeBron multihit (or at least some amount of it) back on his ball. Teching removed the infinite loops that caused the multihit to be removed

And this would be a dream come true, make it so that he can true combo off of his NB moves. If they are going to be so slow and low damaging you should be rewarded more for hitting them. Or if you have to keep the frame advantage on hit in its current state but make the moves have lower start up.

Also for bug fixes, sometimes NB nair will trigger ground bounce techs when close to the ground for some reason and it would be nice if ball didn't just despawn when spawning in the stage

[gentle zinc]

Lebron mains be quiet fr. Give em the ball multi hit back

[polar gorge]

Fr

[hazy forge]

I play against a player and get 2-0ed I'm not really worried because I only was 8 rp into diamond 1 so I know it can only take 8rp

The game kicks me back to the menu as soon as the 2nd game ends and gives me a temporary matchmaking penalty and I go and check my rank and I'm 22RP away from Diamond 1

Please explain why and also can I refund purchases?

[noble perch]

Soooo guys its crossplay. If you have crossplay on turn it off . especially if you on psn.

[polar gorge]

To add on to this it would be nice if the ability to summon a ball while you are about to receive one didn't start your cool down. As well as some sort of fix for throwing a ball while you're about to receive one causing you to stay in no ball state. Maybe the cool down could automatically be refreshed once you receive a ball even if you already have one in your hand

[upper wing]

characters that seriously need nerfs right now: joker, tom & jerry, shaggy, steven, harley and black adam

[sharp fjord]

careful, the last time I said TnJ needs a nerf they almost threw rocks at me

I'd only nerf Jerry throw and give Harley Sair a bit of a startup because it's too free, but I'd compensate them somehow.... BA is fkd up, I don't even know where to start... His flying capability and hitboxes are insane

[upper wing]

yeah jerry shot, harley sair, BA clap, steven nair, joker air side special, shaggy damage / knockback

all of that can get nerfed

you know what idc im gonna say it, bugs still needs more nerfs

[foggy ether]

I’d add Ayra in there. She has easier O t D. Multiple ways too. Like double up special

I want shaggy nerfed so he can have combos again. Instead of 1-2-dead

The guy literally hits you one or two times and you go flying to death lol

I get it, he’s a beginner character, but common…

[upper wing]

im a 2s player so i dont have as much of an issue w her but i bet she's still broken asf in 1s

shaggy is just way too strong, also the sandwich spam needs to go

[patent halo]

anyone else think shaggy is a better projectile spammer than reindog?

[hazy forge]

Tom and Jerry are too oppressive to fight against. This game needs to so many nerfs across the whole roster, most of the characters feel like the player is a vessel for the character to beat yoy and not the other way around.

[mossy hill]

insert BA and taz

those 2 more oppresive

[hazy forge]

yeah, there's so many characters that are not fun to play against and are just broken

[mossy hill]

honestly

steven is counter to 90% of roster lol

[hazy forge]

Airwalker should be removed from the game it's the most clownish perk and always makes the person on the receiving end of it feel like they're getting robbed

[mossy hill]

uhhhh its a good combo extender

also that perk gave some char a god damn tech

like meeseeks on air, van on air

using that

[hazy forge]

Almost all characters feel bs enough on thier own so that perk extending their already oppressive advantage state even further really is just insult to injury

[mossy hill]

welp

plumbus perk shouldnt be a thing lol

sure it gave protection from projectile but permanent?

[hazy forge]

plumbus?

[mossy hill]

morty signature perk

when he using down attack on ground

he will use plumbus attack

break armors

also

with that perk he got projectile immunity

entire time he using that

[hazy forge]

tbh I think Airwalker is a lot more game breaking especially since it's universal

[mossy hill]

they already nerf airwalker tho

1/ air

[hazy forge]

it's game breaking

[mossy hill]

welp it just 50/50

cuz sometimes its so bad

[fleet dust]

i will on this acc

[foggy ether]

I’m a Jack main I played the biggest scumbag Jack ever that did nothing but jab all game. And honestly a ton of players do that with half the cast.
Recent priority helps, but jab is still dumb.
It’s not fun at all dodge jab over n over

[foggy ether]

Way too much grounded play

[wise tusk]

They should let you customize colours on different moves instead of just one applied to all of them

[sharp copper]

tom's pan/down air has some crazy reach off the ledge. I've got it clipped but don't know where to share it

[violet kiln]

Idk if this is where I should post this but please add the option to switch controller icons on PC. The game is available on both PS5 and Xbox so I know for a fact they have button prompts for their respective consoles. I play on PC with a Dualsense and I've been stuck with Xbox icons. Most games I play have an option to switch between PlayStation and Xbox buttons, I really wish this game had that too. Not a huge deal but it's kind of annoying seeing Xbox buttons when I'm using a Playstation controller

[dapper wedge]

Shaggy causing desync?

[autumn estuary]

remove shaggy from the game for this tony do it

give new players reindog instead

[little heron]

please nerf adam. you litteraly odont even need to think to be good wtih him

he sucks to fight and his players are are lying in saying that he's balanced

[cinder sable]

Remove bot matches, give option to buy characters with tickets or currency, fix hit/hurt boxes and frame data for all a characters, make player icons bigger, show ranks for each player before the match not just after

[little heron]

rework shaggy already

give his players a reason to try anything but side spam

[gentle zinc]

You a Jason player?

[tacit aspen]

game is bugging out, won bo3 and i get a disconnect penalty and - rp? so whack

[scarlet nest]

I think I might know a way to bring the game back to it's former glory

After the game gets enough updates to feel complete, throw away the microtransactions and announce a scheduled day that the game will cost money

Obviously this decision may get some backlash, but it seemed to work well for Don't Starve

I knew the main problem with the game was the fact that it was free, and I knew the game needed to earn money somehow given how many Warner bros. Characters and voices were in the game, so it seems like the best solution.

I know despite all the backlash, Player First are still doing their very best to bring the game back, and I have a good feeling they'll have the determination to pull through!

Now, I need to write this in the suggestions because I went to the wrong channel

[lofty beacon]

#BuffGarnet

[split robin]

The jab “nerf” is still nearly unnoticeable. Jack jab string still beats everything in Stripe’s kit except the dynamite explosion. Yes I understand it beats Skateboard because it’s the weakest aspect of Stripe’s kit. Yes I know Chainsaw isn’t much better. But beat my dash attack, beat my side air, beat my charged Chomp (sawblade on cooldown), beat my jab string.

Really think we’re still trending in the right direction but is there any chance that Stripe could get a melee attack buff? Every change has pretty much been tied to his gun. There’s still a lot this guy has to do to reliably score kills (provided your opponent is locked in), obviously he can be campy and that’s because the melee aspects are tied to dash + jab + jab + up tilt + XYZ.

Gizmo does everything Stripe wants to do, but does it better.

[lofty beacon]

ONG

[gentle zinc]

Well you gotta hit at the same time it's not just gonna beat because you did something else.

[split robin]

That’s not my point. The text was that jabs were made less effective over all and that people have been complaining about it.

My point is: jabs are still fine and it’s about timing more. But the nerf was intended to curb jabbing and I don’t see it having that effect very much. At least down here in Gold rank 🤷🏻‍♂️

I’m not complaining about Jack, I’m just using him as an example because he’s a common fight for me right now

I think the complaining is more about the adaptation to the new movement and burnout modifications. I dodge too much, is what I’m gleaning from how often I’m in grey haha

[gentle zinc]

NEW Priority Hitboxes

Certain attacks can now be classified as “low priority” hitboxes. Low priority attacks cannot trade with normal attacks. If a low priority attack connects with an enemy on the same frame the attacker is hit with a normal attack, the low priority attack will be ignored. Character-specific low priority attacks will be listed in the character patch notes.

All ground side attack combo hits (besides the finisher attack) are now considered low priority attacks.

That's what it says

[split robin]

👍

[gentle zinc]

Jabs are low priority. If they connect on the SAME FRAME as a move that isn't low priority they get beat. Jack's jab is very annoying yes especially with it having a hitbox on his head

[split robin]

I gotcha.

[gentle zinc]

What you said isn't true. It's a blanket statement that says more than what was done was done. If they were made worse or less effective overall that'd be great too but they just cannot ever trade unless it's another jab. Idk Stripes moves but I guess Jack is just hitting you first. They need to make the active frames start up later and remove the hitbox from his damn head and shoulder

[split robin]

I think I was imagining it backward

[gentle zinc]

Oh. I don't understand what you mean but if you understand then I feel good

[split robin]

Haha yeah you’re helping 🤣

[gentle zinc]

I hope we get more Jack nerfs for that damn jab though he makes me wanna wreck my damn chair

[split robin]

I think the Hitbox and Hurtbox should be the next major patch focus. If the devs trim them a little bit, or hone them a little more I think there would be a significant quality of life improvement across all characters

[scarlet nest]

Actually before I give a list of my suggestions, I want to play the game first and see how it's coming along

[gentle zinc]

They're so weird. I wish they would just line up perfectly with the visuals. They can go frame by frame to make sure things are accurate and tone down on some of the lingering hits. Frying pan has gone through Gizmo more times than any other character I fight and I just gotta hold the L.

[gentle zinc]

Who do you main in smash bros?

[split robin]

Giz has been getting the better of Stripe since the eighties 🤣 I feel that haha

[gentle zinc]

I lose to almost every Gizmo and Stripe player. They're just too hard for me to hit

[scarlet nest]

I used to be a Pac-Man and Isabelle main, but now I'd say Pyra & Mythra

[gentle zinc]

idk if we can be friends

[scarlet nest]

Understandable lol

[gentle zinc]

But you play professionally so you're not a side b up b spammer

[scarlet nest]

Ironically I told myself that I'd never main them when they released but here I am lol

[gentle zinc]

They're cool so I get it. Sora/Greninja, Pikachu, Incineroar and I dabble in Diddy kong/Donkey Kong claps

[scarlet nest]

I used to play Incineroar too until everyone figured out that he was low key viable

Then I didn't feel special 😔

[gentle zinc]

I feel that 😂. Was me with pikachu

[scarlet nest]

Pikachu? BUSTED

But in all seriousness I might hop on to play multi versus later today

I got work to do so I'll cya later

[gentle zinc]

Later

[red anvil]

increase the currency Rewards!

[scenic crown]

Glad to see teching is now a thing... Although admittedly, not sure whether there's as much utility as in Smash Ultimate. All the stages (on Ranked anyways) have walls on the sides so it doesn't check stage spikes. Then Tree Fort and Necromulus (the Rick and Morty stage)'s walls get destroyed about halfway through.

How many characters have decent moves for tech chases (where you launch the opponent at an angle to hit the floor, then guess if they'll tech and roll)? ...Harley's side special feels like it does something like that.

[patent halo]

y the F is BJ being BUFFED?!!!

r u srs

I really thought BJ was fine and didn't need to be touched

[trim panther]

few suggestions:

1. make the companion gems neutral so we can take them with us to all the rifts.

2. give jack with the lost jack skin his spear wich he had in his show at the start of s5. (i know this one could be impossible considering the hitboxes, but just changing it with new animations and without long range would be good enough for me)

[mossy hill]

He doesnt have kill power other than the charged attack

Or u have to hit the enemy nonstop on air

[patent halo]

but marvin

ya i guess i just have a different opinon

[weak ridge]

platinum matched with 4 master in a row and -17 mmr each
god bless you devs

[mossy basin]

less bots in 2v2 please

[hazy forge]

Good patch 👏👏

[polar gorge]

Why don't they make this chat a forum?

[spare bay]

can we send image in character chats? i have to post my pics in off topic and use a link to share them in the character chats

[ancient cave]

kinda crazy how i can get on after not playing for a month and the same things people have been complaining about are still in the game

[viscid pike]

I was thinking about changing the color of the Bug robot to red, just Like season 5

[upper wing]

you didnt fix the broken rp system, now its just capped at losing 19 every match instead

still gaining 3 for every win

[slender bear]

marvin needs help

[upper wing]

braindead devs choose to buff characters instead of nerfing black adam and joker

[next kettle]

Finn is borderline sauceless, please give him back apples through a signature perk which replace his air down special

[lofty beacon]

Nahson

Buff Garnet first

[hollow swift]

And then people say spamming sidespecial jack doesn't work anymore. I was winning the entire match until he kept doing it the entire time. I fully am still convinced his sidespecial needs a cooldown.

And the guy who did it literally teabagged and started being toxic the entire time after. Even coming to harass in chat about it. All I see is best to give it a cooldown.

[upper wing]

nobody can gain more than 3rp in ranked because its still broken, yall need to hotfix this or your games gonna die so fast

[feral shadow]

if you lost exclusively to side special spam while jack was on his last stock you should work on keeping a positive mentality and adapting to situations. unless the game was close and it wasnt exactly you winning the entire match you shouldnt have been caught out by it repeatedly to be honest. it has a reactable startup even beyond anticipating that he is just going to hit it again if hes already hitting it

[native cedar]

I'm sorry but that is a complete lie, I can get loads of rp when me and my friend play ( around 30-40 per game ) it may be true for higher ranks but I dont play much since I'm still in silver.

[upper wing]

you're silver thats why 💀

this is a problem with diamond and above im pretty sure

[hollow swift]

Not if he can spam with it to edgeguard you'll lose dodges and attacks and it will be futile

[native cedar]

yes but then its not everyone, its only high ranks which makes sense, you shouldnt be able to get out of your rank in 3 games when youre higher

[upper wing]

the problem is ranked is broken rn so EVERY loss is -19 and EVERY win is +3 rp

progress is impossible unless you're winning like 90% of games

[native cedar]

yes getting +3 rp a game isnt right

[cinder sable]

So we just never getting a beetle juice character channel here or what? Is that too much work for PFG/this discord’s mods to do?

[gentle zinc]

Tbh a lot of them were probably losing

Some of them are pretty good

[stuck sable]

The watertower in ranked 2v2 is horrible

[upper wing]

worst ranked mode ever in a video game, this game is going to die without an immediate hotfix

[viscid pike]

shaggy shouldnt be able to chain his jab into a up special, that would just be an easily kill on a 80 jack in 90 percent of the maps

[hollow swift]

Glad so. Jack needs a nerf on his side special. I don't mind seeing a Jack lose early

[viscid pike]

wtf, just dodge it lol

[eternal bay]

It’s honestly hard to ngl

[hollow swift]

Sure, when its used to edgeguard its impossible to dodge. I can't dodge indefinitely. I run out of resources.

[hollow swift]

Thankyou

For sure on the WB map it becomes impossible. Its the hardest map to manuevre on and FOR SURE for TnJ.

[viscid pike]

in diamond if you use it youll get hard punished

[hollow swift]

You will. Until the dodges run out and the resources run out. You can't dodge forever, and the projectiles only last so long. If he's edgeguarding its a guaranteed win almost

[viscid pike]

agreed

[hollow swift]

If I throw Jerry and he dies, I have to wait about 30 seconds to use it again and its my main tool, why can't his side special not get a small cooldown too

[viscid pike]

did u just say

cooldown??????

[hollow swift]

I did. I think it deserves a 10 second cooldown of some sort. Its not his main tool or his main attack. Its a side special that is abusive in its current state. Just like all my projectiles have a cooldown, and a lot of characters their up special or sidespecial have a cooldown, I think he should have one too. Or like superman, where the distance gets halved each time u spam it, to the point he can't even more than an inch if he keeps spamming.

[umbral elm]

good thing they fixed the "getting pulled off the stage" bug

[viscid pike]

who tf spamms it

[hollow swift]

Everyone who starts losing and wants to make sure ur off stage and then edgeguards with it for sometimes for 40 seconds on end.

I'm almost master and I keep facing Jacks who do it.

[umbral elm]

meanwhile TnJ got his loop back

[viscid pike]

never faced a jack in diamond so no comments

[hollow swift]

No they didn't cause of groundtech, but I really don't care for your opinion after what you did last time. Plus ur a Fin main who thinks TnJ is stronger than Fin even tho Fin is literally the ANTI TnJ.

[stuck sable]

I think 10 seconds is a bit long, but I definitely think it should have some cooldown

[hollow swift]

Maybe 5 then. I'd be cool with 5 too.

[stuck sable]

Yeah. I think it would still be a good edgeguarding tool even if it couldn't be spammed, it would just require more prediction and timing. Like most attacks in the game

[hollow swift]

Yeah, I don't mind if they edgeguard with it. Its the spamming while edgeguarding that is a problem.

And just the spamming in general

[umbral elm]

that's not the loop they gave him

lol

[hollow swift]

I'm just gonna ignore u.

[foggy ether]

He doesn’t

[hollow swift]

He does. A cooldown for it. About 5 seconds sounds good.

[sharp fjord]

Funny that when I said Jerry shot needs a cooldown someone almost threw rocks at me, but now he's asking for some other character get cooldown... really funny

[hollow swift]

People disagreed with you and people have agreed with me. Go cry somewhere else please if you literally just came here to complain about how ur bad take is factually a bad take.

[sharp fjord]

You're just toxic dude, you should get therapy

The other person who disagreed with me was another tom main, funny enough

Then a third tom main agreed with me, but you conveniently ignored that

[hollow swift]

No, literally EVERYONE disagreed with you. Nobody agreed on a cooldown for Jerry's throw. Absolutely nobody.

[hollow swift]

Nope, he was a garnet main who trolled in the chat

[sharp fjord]

Who said that picks Tom when he's stressed out to make people's miserable spamming Jerry shots

[hollow swift]

And no you should for not seeing how wrong ur take is, Anyways from now on I'll also ignore u cause you give me headaches.

[sharp fjord]

But again, you conveniently forget that

[hollow swift]

Who again, was TROLLING

[hollow swift]

Nope, he was literally trolling in chat. But you conviniently didn't notice that. Just like you conviniently have a sentence that goes "Bad take" everytime someone doesn't agree with you.

[sharp fjord]

Sure, keep crying about Jack spamming while you're spamming Jerry shots

[hollow swift]

Keep crying how your rocket is supposedly useless against Jerry while it factually kills him.

Again, I'm done with u. Your name is very accurate btw @sharp fjord . Maybe you should work on that.

[sharp fjord]

Maybe you should work. Period

[hollow swift]

I do. And I'm paid pretty well too.

[sharp fjord]

I bet you do, "demisexual Twitch Streamer/Upcoming artist"

[hollow swift]

Did you really take almost 10 minutes to comeback with that? Those are my hobbies. Idk if you know what those are, but my job is a goverment securityguard. Thats all I'm allowed to speak on that.

[sharp fjord]

sure, streaming 8 hours a day

you're full of crap dude

[hollow swift]

Yup. I work 3 days a week. 12 hours. The rest are my days off.

And no, 6 hours and on free days MAYBE 7 max 8.

Also nice that ur watching my twitch profile. You can follow it too if u like 🙂

[sharp fjord]

hard pass

[hollow swift]

Unfortunate, atleast I get revenue if u watched any of those streams :p

[sharp fjord]

Just checked if you were all this you pretend to be, but then I saw you're Plat talking like you're grandmaster

[hollow swift]

Cough, diamond, cough

[sharp fjord]

congrats if you managed to get diamond, but yesterday you were still plat

you're not all that bruh

[hollow swift]

And I only started this season 14 days ago and played a total of 7 days. for about 3-4 hours.

[sharp fjord]

stop acting like you are

[hollow swift]

And I got already this far. Already in the top 200

[sharp fjord]

it looks like you have a lot of free time indeed

[hollow swift]

I'm not acting like I'm that, you are just worse and don't know how to deal with a character worse than yours.

[hollow swift]

Oh yeah, I do. Working only 3 days a week is perfect for me. I prefer that for all the free time it gives me.

[slender bear]

the superman ig combo is broken car smash + superman side special (with perk) ur dead at 60 without being able to do anything

[slender bear]

does a winning streak even do something in this game?

[sharp fjord]

does beetlejuice have any combo with more than 3 or 4 hits after the patch?

I'm trying in the lab, but nothing seems to connect

[sharp mantle]

I have received maxed out gems in my 'free' section of the store this whole week. I get it, yall don't like giving out free stuff but jfc dial it back with gems. Gems should not be a part of the 'free' section at all. Yall did a good job of making them easier to level in the Rifts so it's not necessary for them to be there. Get it together PFG.

[slender bear]

i got 5 lp for a master game :/

[stone ermine]

Who was the one thay said
Yes lets buff morty
Lets make him back to annoying

Even though with the nerfs he was already annoyinh

[severe dagger]

2 sets in a row my opponent disconnected after 1 game and i lost rp

[grizzled geode]

Why does this game have counter moves for every character? This is not smash bros or tekken. Just make everything it used to be before the initial release of 2024. Take it back to 2023 when finn had an apple to throw.

[latent tide]

Probably the worst ranked system i have ever played, im currently #12 and when i lose to another gm i lose 19??? I lose to the #3 and still lost 19 this ENTIRE DAY i have not lost anything lower can yall make it normal for once?

[upper wing]

hotfix ranked immediately or everyone's gonna stop playing, you're killing your own game

nobody can make any progress still winning isnt rewarding and losing is extremely punishing

[latent tide]

Gaining a MAX of 3-5 each game

If i beat another gm im gaining a max of 12. Fix your game

[slender bear]

yea its bad i was sweating my a** off for 2 hours and only got from diamond 2 to 1 its mentally draining

[upper wing]

whatever movement changes you did to air dodges, undo it, it feels awful and slow and nobody asked for it

game actively feels worse now

just shut down the servers, its clear you cant maintain or balance a game and have no clue what you're doing

[foggy ether]

Jack side special cooldown lol???? Do you really feel THAT oppressed? There’s literally zero reason for it to have a cooldown. Especially in the state Jack and the move is in now

[foggy ether]

I thought losing was cap at -19?

Which is still horrible

I haven’t played todays patch yet

[upper wing]

yeah but winning is still +3

[latent tide]

Dont play ranked in the new patch