general

[unreal tulip]

As it should be, it's not like they ever did "Raven & Lenore" cartoons

[analog current]

random but lowkey thought ur pfp was soldier boy from the boys up until now

[drowsy hill]

Can yall guess my Worst MUs

[covert current]

🤔

[rancid jackal]

How can you see anything except miles morales

[analog current]

asian eyes

[unreal tulip]

I thought it was the Boondocks

[kind jolt]

I thought 2 am was past try hard hour but its looking rough this morning

[unreal tulip]

The other day I thought a picture of Shinji of Evangelion on a chair was Donald Duck

Happens when you see them small on mobile XD

[rancid jackal]

Boondocks for mvs

[unreal tulip]

Boondocks Saints 4 MVS

[kind jolt]

Boon for MVS

[unreal tulip]

With Norman Reedus and... the other guy, I can't remember

[sleek heath]

if you block someone, do you still get matchd against them in ranked?

[unreal tulip]

Yes

[sleek heath]

there goes that hope

[unreal tulip]

Hewwo everypony

[rancid jackal]

Omg

[unreal tulip]

Don't take it out of context XD

[wraith geyser]

Yay we won arena against a Harley hammer spammer and Taz duo 🥳 it felt good uwu 👌

[rancid jackal]

The word everypony makes me want to tear myself apart limb from limb

[wraith geyser]

Hewwo, how are shu doing =D?

[unreal tulip]

I have a cat on my legs, so well

[kind jolt]

Really unhappy I have to go against good players today, which means the game is back to being garbage

[sleek heath]

i'm stuck against a nubia spear grab spammer

[worn ferry]

jump🦘

[rancid jackal]

There are only good players left in the game all the newcomers leave within a week

[sleek heath]

i do. they can actually aim it

[unreal tulip]

Hi Van Halen

[sleek heath]

and ca always juggle me out of my dodge

[worn ferry]

?????

[sleek heath]

the song, jump

[worn ferry]

o

[worldly lichen]

i have 15 days to make it to level 45, think its possible?

[worn ferry]

Goin giant as Beetlejuice always feels good. GGs on the arenas Melissa!

[unreal tulip]

I feel sad inside you had to need it explained

[worldly lichen]

im at level 3 right now

[wraith geyser]

Awww thats pretty adorable 🤗

[kind jolt]

And the "good players" just sit back and camp entire matches its crazy

who would ever have fun in ranked ever

[unreal tulip]

What if those are the "evil players" instead?

[wraith geyser]

GGs! You use BJ awesome 💝 Idk how I played that good with Shaggy, I rarely use him lol X>

[kind jolt]

those are the grandmasters, they're on their way though.

the deeper you go the more corrupted

[worn ferry]

Your Shaggy was great! Hard carried me a good number of rounds!

[unreal tulip]

I'm a "chaotic neutral player"

[rancid jackal]

Lemme rephrase that, not good players but just longtime players

[worn ferry]

Number 1 reason I stopped playing rank is circle campers running in place to avoid camp mechanic

[rancid jackal]

Camp mechanic is terrible

[worn ferry]

It really is sad that someone would actually want to play a fighting game like that

[vestal pendant]

stripe deserves a good skin

[kind jolt]

Im gonna make a fraud watch list soon

[unreal tulip]

Hey, here's a Boondocks pfp, I knew there was one around @rancid jackal

[iron silo]

The devs really do need to take more countermeasures against camping

[rancid jackal]

Marvin spamming projectiles so hard you can’t approach but the game will still give you stop camping bc you won’t run into braindead camping

[unreal tulip]

Getting hit by projectiles should prevent the camping timer

And dodges without attacks in the middle should get more expensive

[rancid jackal]

I literally had games where I’m dodging tnj bullet hell and the game thinks I’m camping

[wraith geyser]

Thankies 🤗 Your RRB is awesome too, but who is your main =0?

[worn ferry]

Annnnnnd with those arena wins I finally have enough caps TO GET MYTHIC VISTA TAZ🥳 🥳 🥳 🎉 🥂 🎊 🎆 🎆

[unreal tulip]

I honestly never got the camping penalty, maybe because I play only 2s

[vestal pendant]

just happened to me still won tho

[rancid jackal]

I am the stone that the building refused
I am the visual the inspiration
That made lady sing the blues

[sweet valve]

wait, i just saw a post on reddit, elusives only give 960 prestige???
If you are gonna sell those they should be more prestige than legendaries, garbage like this and greedy choices are why this game is failing

At this point MVS updates are just finding what the Monkey's Paw did to the game
We get something good, but something else horrible happens

[worn ferry]

I main Taz, Beetlejuice, Steven, and kinda PPGs. I'm working on maining Jake and Garnet.

[vestal pendant]

have anyone's game been crashing like crazy lately

[wraith geyser]

Always lol, it even has crashed my PC pwp

[kind jolt]

Adding IBiBil to Fraud watch list

Good at exploiting his character, Shaggy, but still sucks at the game.

[worn ferry]

Mythic Vista Taz is mine!

[kind jolt]

Currently at a 43% winrate and gaining RP

[rancid jackal]

Yea pretty much it’s crazy how 30 dollars spent on an elusive gives you rare banner prestige xD

[iron silo]

You guys get to play arena?

[wraith geyser]

I see. My mains are Finn, Batman, and PPG. I am currently working on learning Reindog, Jake because Cake is adorable 🥺 💝 and Marvin 😄

[iron silo]

It should give like, an epic skin's worth. I only don't say legendary because most of them don't change voice lines

[agile oasis]

Reindog seems fun to learn ngl I’ma learn him when I unlock him

[tardy jetty]

He ight

[agile oasis]

I know but it’s just funny to see a dog beat you to death 😭

[wraith geyser]

They are very high priced indeed =0 I got way more things with the same amount of gleamium in the black friday sales. I hope they keep doing those deals pwp

[sweet valve]

30 dollars... for one skin?

Yeah this game is cooked 😭 maybe down the line we can get a proper version of this game

though i was telling myself that when they shut down the first time

[worldly lichen]

does anyone believe i can complete the pass from 6 to 45 in two weeks 😢

[tardy jetty]

Yeah fs

[sweet valve]

like the titanium plated steel balls to ask for $30 a skin when Fortnite skins are $18 max is INSANE.

[wraith geyser]

It is 🤗! Reindog is very easy to understand I get used to him in a few matches, I even found a 02D with upair lol

[sweet valve]

Props to PFG for having confidence I guess...?

[wraith geyser]

You can =3! Most of all players got it completed in like 2 weeks.

[sleek heath]

that's because ranked mode rewards are elusives, so it'd stockpile ridiculously fast thanks to them

though they confirmed that WON'T be one time only

[sweet valve]

aren't there only like 3 ranked rewards a season?

[worn ferry]

arena mode nets a lot of battle xp just do them and some rift missions you'll be fine

[sleek heath]

four

[rancid jackal]

Should give more than a legendary based on the price imo. If a 20 dollar skin gives 9600 than a 30 should be like 12k prestige

[wraith geyser]

But what about the players who have bought all =c? Giving them 960 prestige is unfair 😔

[sweet valve]

Yeah idk how this is being defended

[worldly lichen]

ok sure. also, do you know who lenore is and how i can grab someone with them?

[sleek heath]

and you get one of them by default after winning any ranked titles

[wraith geyser]

The side special of Raven

[sleek heath]

i'm not sayig it's fair, i'just speculating why they do it

[wraith geyser]

Is Raven bird, I think.

[tardy jetty]

Lenore=The bird

[sleek heath]

indeed. it likely shouldn't have a uniform amount given the context

[kind jolt]

Im getting matched against masters players every match in Platinum and all of them have been losers so far

[sleek heath]

grounded up special after sending out the rave

[iron silo]

Yeah true

[rancid jackal]

Even if an elusive can be earned for free you should get the same amount. With events like the Batman one you could earn a legendary for free and it gave the same prestige as if you bought it

[worn ferry]

No Lenore is the cute little dead girl

[verbal rune]

Rank dm me

[rancid jackal]

I hate to say it but mvs is actually dying

[lone trench]

After season 2 it was obvious the game was gonna die

[rancid jackal]

Game has only been going down since July hasn’t seen an increase in players even with all the stuff they added

[lone trench]

S1 made so many players leave because lag and ztd

[gleaming venture]

Lmao

[lone trench]

Those Finn and joker zero to deaths was just crazy

[worn ferry]

What do you expect after PFG keeps removing combos from ppl's fav characters. As a Taz main who lost like 3 I'm mad af

[gleaming venture]

Ey I’m hyped for Marvel Rivals tho

[tardy jetty]

Finn...

[sleek heath]

there's a slight irony that both combos ad removal of combos are being blamed

[rancid jackal]

S2 brought so many players but then the following month the game had its biggest drop in players

[torpid barn]

prolly because of ranked mode

and then they left because the game is stinky

[worn ferry]

One of the best taz mains I've ever seen quit the game cuz they removed Taz's combos so

[rancid jackal]

It’s funny bc we all asked for ranked mode and then when it came out we realized how trash it is

Be careful what you wish for

[subtle plover]

the meta never gets interesting and is always the same strong ones most of the time every season that could be a reason people get bored quick

[kind jolt]

Im playing against the goats every single game in Plat 2

who is this beetlejuice with 1.2 million damage

[junior flax]

its good pricing

[open grail]

Never seen a taz main do a combo just special 😂

[open girder]

bro doesnt know about other games pricing

atleast one of them is free

[hoary stream]

#clips message

is this a bug or is this just a thing

[open grail]

Should see apex pricing 😂

[open girder]

or valorant

[open grail]

Ohh they got events where you got to spend 120+ to get the final skin too now 😂

[kind jolt]

when is mid season patch?

[worn ferry]

I'll gladly show you some

[open girder]

LMAO yep mvs is super greedy, they even have the balls to give you free stuff like they re omega greedy

[open girder]

when pass ends

[hoary stream]

were not mid season yet. at least 2 weeks away from that maybe a bit more

[obsidian scarab]

anyone knows how to fix matchmaking failed

[subtle plover]

when the bp ends?

[worn ferry]

taz combos use to be so good ppl were using air walker w him

[open grail]

I know a free games got to make money but if you make affordable cosmetics people will spend more

[open girder]

probs restart game?

[lone trench]

S2 - loops/ztd
literal joker meta💀

[worn ferry]

remove auto tech from the game

[subtle plover]

its on their side not ours

[obsidian scarab]

have done multiple times

[open girder]

indeed, 30 dollars are only for elusives anyway

[open girder]

idk then

[open grail]

Even doing bundles for 30 I’d happily buy

[supple panther]

Bro I can’t get out of silver 2 everyone keeps running away send help

[open girder]

i mean those black friday bundles are super good

[kind jolt]

yes

[open grail]

Need to go have a look not been on in a bit

[kind jolt]

How is it taking these grandmasters so long to crawl into their holes holy cow

[open girder]

bro u missed on some epic deals

[worn ferry]

If someone is selling a stove for 150 is that a steal or nah

[open girder]

depends on the quality? ig

[kind jolt]

sounds like a good price

[iron silo]

Is the stove in good quality?

[worn ferry]

I have no clue yet

[kind jolt]

honestly how could a stove even get cheaper lol

[worn ferry]

they said it's decent but I wanna see pics first

[open girder]

true that lol

[kind jolt]

You better make sure it works

Is it a gas stove?

[worn ferry]

electric

[kind jolt]

probably safer

[open girder]

yep

[worn ferry]

I feel like even if it was scrap that's still worth 150

[open girder]

yeah

[sweet valve]

brother, the pricing this game is emulating is fortnite pricing

there are no $30 skins in the fortnite shop

[kind jolt]

Yeah basically

[sweet valve]

even worse, pre lawsuit fortnite pricing (not 20% off)

and even if we ignore the pricing this game is "inspired" by

does smash bros have $30 skins? what about brawlhalla?

what other platform fighter is this greedy? /gen

[kind jolt]

Smash Ultimate barrier to entry is literally like 300 dollars

[sweet valve]

and that is definitely also fair to criticize

[kind jolt]

You have to by the Nintendo Switch which is 200+ then the game is what? like 60+ and then you have to by the DLC characters? So closer to 100

[sweet valve]

wasn't the mvs roster like $200 on launch tho?

sure it's optional but the option is there when it should not be

the characters should have just been easily obtainable from the start

[sweet valve]

wait hold up

no way you are counting the console as a part of the game purchase 😭

i don't claim multiversus is $500 because it requires a decent pc or next gen console to properly play

[worn ferry]

bruh there are so many jake players right now wtf happened

[sweet valve]

imagine how hard i would get clowned on if i said this like let's be fr

[worn ferry]

Everyone just suddenly said you know what? lets play jake

[kind jolt]

MVS is not console exclusive

We're talking about greed, greed is locking your games to a console.

[sweet valve]

Reread what I said real quick

PCs aren't free are they?

By your logic even if it was on PC, that PC cost would count toward the cost of the game

Which is some Looney Tunes logic but we're going with it for the sake of argument

[robust sonnet]

Erm

[sweet valve]

also agreed, but i respect nintendo way more for actually making first party titles as their exclusives

instead of basically just buying games and claiming you made them

[junior flax]

mvs is also f2p

[robust sonnet]

It gets people to buy your console over the other

[sweet valve]

cough sony
cough spider-man

[junior flax]

and brawl is just kinda bad imo

[robust sonnet]

Woah brawl stars is good

[junior flax]

brawlhalla

[sweet valve]

being a free to play game doesn't justify that high prices though just off being free to play, the implication here is that the price is that high to fund the game and funding the game should be why we are okay with paying that much

[robust sonnet]

We still got the jake top 8 bet :3 Jake is humble now

[sweet valve]

they wouldn't need to sell them that high though if they just sold more for less

it's literally just basic business

[junior flax]

bc you dont need to buy ANY skins

[kind jolt]

Its about accessibility, PCs are near universal in the year 2024

Nintendo Switch is more Niche than an Xbox or PlayStation or PC.

[junior flax]

you don’t run a company last time I checked

[sharp minnow]

Anybody know when marceline comes out?

[sweet valve]

we moved past this in 2020 or earlier i thought, using the "you don't HAVE to buy it" to handwave criticisms

[sweet valve]

oh, well get better at checking because my family literally runs an ice cream truck

[robust sonnet]

I run a company, you could say, it’s a lethal company

[sweet valve]

we don't go "oh our ice cream isn't selling, let's sell $30 popsicles"

because that is stupid logic

we sell more for less

and make money regardless because we still profit

[junior flax]

people are still buying the skins

[sweet valve]

meanwhile this game is on it's deathbed

[junior flax]

despite the complaints. So why would they make them cost less

[sweet valve]

clearly not enough if WB has lost as much money as they have

[junior flax]

the skins sell just fine

[sweet valve]

So they can sell more and the game can survive???

[kind jolt]

Skins you can get for free are fine to be expensive

[torpid barn]

How do you countet smith gun edgeguard

[sweet valve]

not according to WB, they are the ones that need convincing here not me

Convince WB that live services aren't a money pit

[junior flax]

there was a lot more to that 100 mill story

[sweet valve]

Yeah, multiple live services, including this one

[kind jolt]

As Jake? Gl bro

[sweet valve]

and if this wasn't one of the biggest of those then that says even more IMO

[junior flax]

like if you don’t like the prices then don’t buy them. They give a good amount of free stuff anyways

[sweet valve]

yeah, that's how businesses go bankrupt
"if you don't like it don't buy it, we don't have to lower prices"
"why will no one buy our stuff except whales"

classic cycle

[robust sonnet]

Just nair

[sweet valve]

relying on whales to coast along is basically gambling with your game's life lmfao

[junior flax]

this game has tons of whales. Most of the player base uses mommys credit card

[sweet valve]

you need a steady, consistent revenue stream

[kind jolt]

Off edge?

[kind jolt]

real

[sweet valve]

oh, surely it'll reach #1 then soon since i hear that is how fortnite did so well

good content? nahhh they just set up a store and people buy because that's clearly what happened 💀

[vagrant thunder]

No one asked you to spill my spending methods to the whole chat.

[junior flax]

if your this pressed then email tony or something instead of malding in gen chat

[hybrid spindle]

I whale my own credit card

[spare zephyr]

^^^^^

[vernal seal]

Yall, mosh pits are fun asf, I think I dislocated my arm for a min last night

[sweet valve]

i see the convo is done then

[junior flax]

if you want a change then actually make something happen

[sweet valve]

we're at the point of pulling "u mad bro" cards lul

[junior flax]

ign? Couldn’t find u

[vagrant thunder]

Add a Henry Cavill skin for Superman.

[spare zephyr]

Reninabin

[torpid barn]

This guy is using his pistol like a machine gun

[hybrid spindle]

in a free to play game, getting pressed over cosmetics is really silly because it doesn’t affect gameplay. I understand the character unlock methods being an actual point of contention, but not outfits lol

[junior flax]

you could have actually tried to talk to someone meaningful

[vernal seal]

Take out super from the game and we wouldn’t have this problem

[sweet valve]

You can say that again

[robust sonnet]

Yezzir

[junior flax]

so do it or stop complaining

[torpid barn]

Coach me big man

[vagrant thunder]

But Henry Cavill is a goat.

[sweet valve]

Let me check your roles fir- Oh wait you're not a mod, for a sec I thought you were

So you got mad and just want me out of the chat? Lol

[torpid barn]

Do I jusy have to learn the timing between smiths gun spam? Idk if there is enough time to sneak in a nair

[sweet valve]

Say no more, I'll leave so you can stop seething

[junior flax]

get a load of this guy

[vagrant thunder]

Does this mean if I asked you to do something, you'd actually listen?

[junior flax]

im his dad

[vagrant thunder]

[robust sonnet]

Just spam it and pray

[sage summit]

Yo get the belt 🗣️ 🔥

[vagrant thunder]

Family drama at the holidays season. Classic.

[spare zephyr]

😭😭😭

[hybrid spindle]

I’ve heard images of shocked pika is/used to be banned on some social media sites

[sweet valve]

what, is it weird to call someone mad when all they are doing is typing?
Agreed, I said it to make a point

[torpid barn]

Nahhh 💔

[sweet valve]

I listen to mods so sure, idk what you'd tell me to do here tho

[junior flax]

fetch me a beer

[vagrant thunder]

Why would it be banned?

[robust sonnet]

Also get a low taper fade

[sweet valve]

maybe when you turn 21 buster

or hell even 18

[torpid barn]

The low taper fade is STILL massive

[vagrant thunder]

Okay but seriously, let's just move on please. @sweet valve @junior flax

[junior flax]

sorry we’re trying to get his anger issues sorted out

[hybrid spindle]

On March 16th, 2019, Twitter user @0xKruzr reported that tweeting a Surprised Pikachu image caused an on-site suspension for posting gratuitous imagery.[5] The report was confirmed by several other users, including @bangishotyou[6] and @StephenAymond,[7] who also confirmed that only posting the original (blurred) Surprised Pikachu image would cause on-site suspensions.

-KnowYourMeme

[sweet valve]

Aww, it was just starting to actually get funny and not as serious, but okay

[torpid barn]

Why yall even arguing?

[sweet valve]

oh you weren't joking along w me

okay yeah stop then

i'm done too that was lame

[sweet valve]

Classic trick question, my answer? Scroll up
Not getting muted today

[junior flax]

he said he didn’t like the skins prices so I told him to not buy the skins or to actually email a higher up at PFG over the issue instead of shouting into gen chat

[sweet valve]

Good effort though

[torpid barn]

Ahh ic thanks for the tldr

[torpid barn]

I aint that devious

[latent bronze]

Skin prices in free games can be whatever they want for all I care, people are foolish enough in league to buy the 500 dollar skin they deserve to pay outrageous prices

all we can do is vote with our wallets

[torpid barn]

Lowkey I'd spend if there were better deals like the old 2 character + 1k gleamium for 5 dollars

[sweet valve]

I just want the game to actually just... not die lol, but every time that is seen as me just blindly hating on PFG

[sage summit]

Fr, the moment I heard this game was F2P, I knew the skins were gonna be ridiculous.

I really never understood the fomo argument, how can you miss out on a cosmetic that has no impact on your gameplay whatsoever.

[sweet valve]

This server needs a heavy dose of nuance

And I mean real heavy

[latent bronze]

im always pro consumer, I do like MVS and PFG a good bit, I think the game itself is entering good places every big update

but always vote with your wallet, if you think prices are crazy then dont buy

[junior flax]

people love to complain but not actually do anything

[sage summit]

My cat loves multiversus so I hope it doesn't die

[latent bronze]

if it ends up killing the game, thats on them for not reacting to market changes

[sweet valve]

we're having a productive convo, stop insulting or just leave

[junior flax]

fetch me a beer

[sweet valve]

comments like that are exactly why things escalate

[sage summit]

Ngl you were spitting with this tho

[sweet valve]

also his definition of doing something is just complaining in tony's email

[latent bronze]

I think it is hypocritical for some folks to say they hate prices on a game and then go and buy the 30 dollar skin

[sweet valve]

somehow it's complaining here and criticism when in an email, don't ask me

lol

[sage summit]

That is what most people in here do, complain but when it comes to actually giving feedback, or doing something to voice your opinion you don't.

Complaining in the general chat for this game, is the least constructive thing you can do for this game.

[sweet valve]

only true because the devs don't read this server

[junior flax]

because aint no one here is capable of doing anything about it. Make an email, tweet, do whatever involving the actual devs. No one here can solve your problem

[worn ferry]

so tired of ball n chain teammates in casuals how am I supposed to have fun when I get literal morty players who can only net 140 dmg while I'm doing 300 having to constantly fight two ppl at once

[sweet valve]

Should have waited a few more seconds for that one...

[torpid barn]

@robust sonnet the spam nair and pray was very effective

[sage summit]

#game-feedback they read this chat, general isn't for feedback, that's why they don't read it.

[torpid barn]

But it feels cheesy when all i do is nair 1 and 2

[sweet valve]

Trust me, Tony's not reading his emails about criticisms or "complaints" about this game

[sweet valve]

Good joke if you think they read this either

[latent bronze]

I think it can be allowed for someone to air their greivances about the game in here with other members as long as it doesnt get too out of hand

no one should be barred from doing that

[worn ferry]

It would be cool if this game's mmr wasn't just gives you a teammate who is complete dogshet at the game. It would be so awesome....It would be so cool....

[sweet valve]

My main goal in criticizing the game here is to get more players to wake up to how bad it is getting with this game and to actually want something better

[latent bronze]

they key to a server like this is avoiding toxic negativity or toxic positivity

[sage summit]

Also the "criticism" is usually just really bias complaining of the game because of a bad MU or a bad experience.

The players are too close to this issue to solve it imo

[sweet valve]

The only way that is useless is if everyone plugs their ears and refuses to listen

I like to believe people here can have their minds be changed and use critical thinking to their advantage

[sweet valve]

I never even mentioned a single matchup let alone character today

[latent bronze]

Well I would argue bad player experience is the core of a games criticism no?

[sage summit]

I'm not talking about you specifically

[sweet valve]

It might be time to close the valve on that copium tank

[sweet valve]

Fair, but make it more clear next time cuz I am the only one criticizing here rn

I def thought you meant me lol

[torpid barn]

Dude smiths hitboxes are still busted

Why am i getting hit from behind him

[latent bronze]

lets just be sure to not cross a line when we are having a discussion, saying other folks are on copium isnt productive

[sweet valve]

They know this too, that's why they wanted it to escalate

Create fake conflict, wait for mods, they ask what's up, say "he started it by complaining"
Simple as

[lime ingot]

Stop assuming

[sweet valve]

It's what happened, so
Scroll up if you are curious

[junior flax]

[sweet valve]

Hey at least you admit it

[junior flax]

caught red handed, got my hand in the cookie jar

[sweet valve]

Props there, most weasel out when caught

[spare zephyr]

“They” and it’s one person 😭

[sweet valve]

Yeah, bc I don't know their pronouns

[fluid chasm]

Christmas month

[sweet valve]

Actually, scratch that whole convo, just go ask your english teacher

[ashen stream]

Jake must be the new meta? Why is everyone and they mama jake?

[sweet valve]

If you aren't in school anymore, god have mercy on your soul

[junior flax]

nair

[lime ingot]

They have 1 good move, but it's overtuned to hell and back.
He is S tier

[ashen stream]

Thought so.... Smh..... Meta chasing....

[latent bronze]

Jake gaming, certified

[spare zephyr]

This was a good enough reason btw lmao

[ashen stream]

It's wild how many I've seen so far

[worn ferry]

Jake isn't S tier ppl just picked up it's easy to play Jake and that ppl are really bad at fighting him cuz no one is used to fighting him so they're hoppin on the easy wins. THAT'S the real reason.

[sweet valve]

Thank god I thought you were one of those that hates they as a pronoun because "muh woke pronouns and muh dei"

[worn ferry]

You can literally just spam jake horse and nair on so many ppl cuz they have no clue how to fight jake its hilarious

[torpid barn]

New jakes are just nair merchants

[ashen stream]

I kinda said this with meta chasing.... I should have clarified..... A lot of bad jakes too

[lime ingot]

All jakes are, it's the entire playstyle with him now

[worn ferry]

not even close

[junior flax]

i mean its his one option tbh

[worn ferry]

jake nair is hard to pull off without burning dodge meter and even then it's not 100%

[lime ingot]

Comp players left and right are straight up saying he's S tier. His Nair2 is just that good.

[junior flax]

ho ho ho

[worn ferry]

it's only good for wacky off stage shenanigans really for early kills

[ashen stream]

Where, i only see two

[lime ingot]

Okay, nvm, you just don't know how he plays lmaol

[torpid barn]

I dont mean to make myself sound like im good but I do go for combos and dodge reads too. But I know its not as optimal as welltimed nairs

[worn ferry]

No I just play against ppl who aren't stupid enough to consistenly fall for jake nairs they do this magical thing called walking away

[lime ingot]

I mean, good for you.

It's unoptimal and more effort than what it's worth, but good for ya

[worn ferry]

jake nair is just cheesy once you learn how to beat it, it goes back to being bad

its not like harley nair

[ashen stream]

Is his nair the stretchy punch cause that things a giant hitbox

[lime ingot]

No, it's him bloating up

then Nair2 is the hammer twirl move that pushes him up

It has a deceptively large hitbox, no endlag and KOs pretty early for what it is

[ashen stream]

Oh dang, yeah that one's irritating but can be dealt with

[worn ferry]

it's not nair 2 its nair then neutral special mister Idk how to play jake

[zenith agate]

Jake is broken actually

[lime ingot]

It's the one and only Nair follow up.
It's nair2

[zenith agate]

It is a nair 2 because it's a follow up

[torpid barn]

Just nair 1 and 2 alone make him this strong?

[lime ingot]

Yup

[swift crane]

When is Marcy gonna come out bro

[worn ferry]

I know I'm just being picky and also cuz the name is dumb

[junior flax]

I make up 3 of them

[lime ingot]

You know how Raven only really has 2 great moves but they are THAT busted, especially in rage?
Similar deal, but more extreme

[ashen stream]

😂 fair enough!

[torpid barn]

Which moves? Im guessing one of em is sair

[umbral oyster]

do I have to get every single fighter before the one I want

[zenith agate]

Jake just has a broken nair and that alone boosts him

[torpid barn]

What if the opponent just walks away when im nairing

[sage summit]

Coffee I'm boreddddddd

[worn ferry]

Taz nair is infinitely better

wait what am I saying everytime taz has anything good they take it away

nvm taz nair trash super bad taz f tier

[spare zephyr]

Is raven ass or am I missing something

[sage summit]

Taz players deserve nothing so honestly real.

[junior flax]

lets go skateboarding

[sage summit]

I'm down

[spare zephyr]

Hard to play as her and I never have trouble against her

[junior flax]

use sair

[worn ferry]

🔫 Don't say that again

[zenith agate]

U have little to no whiff and are in a safe position to avoid a punish, along with the fact it can drift pretty well

[junior flax]

wanna run 2v2s or something?

[sage summit]

The beta gave everyone PTSD, taz being meta was just... Awful.

[lime ingot]

Sair and nair

[zenith agate]

No lol, jake nair does 25%, super safe and its a kill move

[sage summit]

You'd play the Mickey for me? 😔

[spare zephyr]

I know sair
I know nair
I know up special on the tanks lol

[worn ferry]

One day he shall be free and you all shall suffer

[torpid barn]

i guess im bad then since I always get jabbed

[spare zephyr]

She just seems kinda. Eh

[junior flax]

I enjoy 2v2s when I play unga bunga Jack (probs my new main)

[torpid barn]

Oh yeah that nair is obnoxious

[junior flax]

shes low key A+ tier

[sage summit]

Honestly slamurai is pretty dope, works well with Nubia, me and zypten played for like 3 hours with an 84% wr

[zenith agate]

Raven is good

[sage summit]

I'll get on let me turn on the PC

[torpid barn]

OH MY GOD IM FIGHTING THIS DUMB SMITH FOR THE 3RD TIME IN A ROW. I HAVENT WON A SINGLE SET

[junior flax]

im the evolved zypten

[spare zephyr]

I need to find a good one 😭

[torpid barn]

Im actually going start tweaking

[sage summit]

I hate getting matched with the same duo I've lost to twice, it's like bruh... IVE LEARNED MY LESSON

[spare zephyr]

So I can find out what I’m missing with her

[worn ferry]

Speaking of Spamurai Wack, like ALL of his airs bounce combo his opponents into his jabs and Jack mains actually have the AUDACITY to complain and ask for buffs??? This character plays himself on automode.

[junior flax]

you play taz. Both our characters are the same

[lime ingot]

Jack is predictable, his biggest strength is Jab has no endlag and a wide hitbox.

[worn ferry]

Oh you have a cool down on side special too?

[lime ingot]

Not like ours matters much

[junior flax]

both our designs is to sit behind our teammate and unga bunga mash

[sage summit]

Me when I parry a jack side B:

+9billion aura

[tulip bluff]

lmao he is terrible meta wise, his counter needs buffs for sure, its so terrible and is a top 2 worst move

[graceful prairie]

lebron is meta trust me

[tulip bluff]

he doesnt really need buffs, a buff to his counter wont make him busted lmao

[torpid barn]

Dude how is agent smiths gun acceptable? There is 0 whiff??????

[worn ferry]

jack mains still delusional as always I hope some day yall get taz level nerfs and then you can see what it feels like to actually struggle

[tulip bluff]

we already struggling lol

[graceful prairie]

lebron is the best character in the game trust me

[junior flax]

we are in the same tier blud

[worn ferry]

trust me it can and will get worse 🙂

[tulip bluff]

calling jack mains delusional because they think their character sucks in this meta (jack does) is pretty weird

[junior flax]

this maybe the most silver rank take ive seen

[graceful prairie]

i still respect any and all taz mains for the suffering they endure when trying to play him

but uh buff lebron

[tulip bluff]

Lmao jack is so easy to punish, dude has insane amounts of endlag in like all his moves, pretty slow and okay kill power

learn the match up and i swear to you, you will win against jacks so much easier

[graceful prairie]

maybe not okay kill power more like good kill power

[rancid jackal]

No they don’t he has only 1 ground bounce starter

[worn ferry]

Jack has like zero whiff on most of his move what are you smoking

[tulip bluff]

for some reason his enraged attacks do less knockback

[rancid jackal]

Jack sucks

[tulip bluff]

LMAOOOOOO you tweaking

[graceful prairie]

bro what did they do to lebron bro he cant do anything

[glacial spear]

Jack is hella dominant

[tulip bluff]

nah there is no point in debating with you if you actually think that

that was just funny

[sage summit]

@junior flax Im on da mickey

[torpid barn]

GENUINELY WHY THE AVTUAL CRAP DOES SMIYH HAVE 0 WHIFF

[tulip bluff]

Jack isnt terrible, he is pretty good but doesnt do well in this meta

[junior flax]

him and johnny brave are gay for each other

[worn ferry]

I'm in training mode right now making him do single kick on jab repeatedly no follow up just the kick his whiff on it ike .03 seconds so again WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING

[lime ingot]

It's not at all bad, it's like saying Finn mains are suffering bad from nerfs.

[torpid barn]

I cant with thid gucking game man

[junior flax]

bet

[graceful prairie]

finn mains do NOT suffer

[tulip bluff]

"on all his moves"

[rancid jackal]

Gosh I hate this gucking game!!

[torpid barn]

Somebody on this discord told me smith was bad now after the hotfix

[tulip bluff]

every jab 1 has no whiff, you literally just tryna make up stuff

[worn ferry]

HUH

[junior flax]

I forgot the meta @sage summit mb

[sage summit]

time to listen to renegade

[graceful prairie]

buff lebron

[lime ingot]

Exactly, Taz mains are not worse off, he probably is decently strong rn, we just went from low A to high B

[worn ferry]

REPEAT THAT???

[sage summit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhkMbMZQV1Q

[graceful prairie]

dont add marceline add michael jordan instead

[tulip bluff]

atleast i think every jab 1 has no whiff, not sure but your saying jacks jab 1 having no whiff is crazy

[sage summit]

SO REAL

[tulip bluff]

when its pretty common for a character which has a jab 1

[worn ferry]

ALL OF MY MAINS HAVE WHIFF ON JAB 1 BRO ARE YOU FR

[sharp moon]

buff shaggy

[rancid jackal]

Buff jack

[tulip bluff]

No dont buff jack

[torpid barn]

Taz and vrlma?

[worn ferry]

Jack mains so use to not having whiffs on jabs they don't get how broken that is insane

[tulip bluff]

I said i think that every jab 1 has no whiff

[torpid barn]

This games lack of whiff on certain characters is honestly unbearable

[graceful prairie]

aint nobody ask for marceline

[glacial spear]

[rancid jackal]

Yes buff bro buff that nspec and enraged dspec

[tulip bluff]

the only good thing going for him is his hitboxes and jab lmao

[worn ferry]

the backpeddling

[vagrant thunder]

A lot of people asked for Marceline.

[wraith geyser]

Im just suffering from the first jab Owo I mean, the range was too long but isn't was necessary to make the hitbox shoo small when the range of half the roster's jab is big pwp

[graceful prairie]

from how much ive been on this disc ive seen more ben 10 and eminem than i have marceline lol

[sage summit]

marcaline is cool, but if theyre going space jam... why not micheal jordan?

[junior flax]

im not joking. look it up on yt

[rancid jackal]

When I say buff jack I don’t mean give him the works I just want like 2 moves to be better

[graceful prairie]

two goats bro it would be madness

[worn ferry]

All I'm saying is jack having an unpunishable whiff on one of his best moves actually makes him not bad at the game actually

[sage summit]

2 ballers in 2s would be hype asf

[vagrant thunder]

I moderated this discord since early beta and saw Marceline an awful lot.

[graceful prairie]

yeah bro im saying but how would they make the moveset different

[lime ingot]

She's straight up like THE most asked character from AT, maybe ahead of Ice King

[tulip bluff]

Jack has good edgeguarding, good kill power and a pretty safe jab. But he has lots of endlag, jab jab uptilt is diable now, pretty slow and is heavy read reliant.

[graceful prairie]

oh well idk what to say to that

[worn ferry]

Like it's genuinely impossible to punish jacks missing their jab

[tulip bluff]

idk dude ive been punished a lot lol

[rancid jackal]

It’s been di’able from the start and almost never works on small characters

[graceful prairie]

but buff lebron

[worn ferry]

unless you kept going after kick and just kept swining your sword at the air you can't be punished

[spice laurel]

BUFF JACK

[wraith geyser]

Maybe they could give it a rework like they did with Finn's jab pwp

[rancid jackal]

Nah agent smith can ez punish jack jab 1 on reaction

[graceful prairie]

jack does NOT need no buffs

[sharp moon]

Doctor Who possible??

[vagrant thunder]

Jack is definitely getting nerfed.

[tulip bluff]

for what

[brave wraith]

why can't i load into a match in multiverse?

[spice laurel]

He does.

[tulip bluff]

what is there to nerf on jack lol

[vagrant thunder]

That jab. Mainly his foot.

[tulip bluff]

Jack needs no buffs or nerfs, his command grab is terrible now

[spice laurel]

Jack has received nothing BUT Nerfs

[vagrant thunder]

I've said it before, I can understand range on his sword, but his feet? No way.

[rancid jackal]

If you nerf jack again he easily becomes the worst char for 1s

[tulip bluff]

Needs hitbox adjusting along with all his moves

[junior flax]

space

[worn ferry]

needs more that jab being unpunished is bad game design gotta go

[tulip bluff]

its the only reason why its safe, that it can reach opponents so far

[sharp moon]

Velma

[tulip bluff]

He is already insanely punishable with his endlag and whiff on all his moves

[worn ferry]

lies

[spice laurel]

What jab?

[vagrant thunder]

Not to mention the instant turnarounds that make dodges almost pointless.

[rancid jackal]

Are you talking about Arya?

[vagrant thunder]

No.

I hardly see Arya.

[rancid jackal]

You must be bc jack barely does that

[tulip bluff]

not all his moves but most of them lol

[wraith geyser]

What do you think 'bout Jack upair special killing really early =0?

[vagrant thunder]

This is just a lie.

[stark jetty]

I am trying to get gold 5 in 1v1 and god is it insufferable

[graceful prairie]

bugs up air normal and joker the same

[tulip bluff]

nah but i cant take you seriously myles, you literally said that jack has 0 whiff on all his moves, you just unserious to me now lmao

[worn ferry]

his jab??? his foot. if you just do the foot and miss you can move almost immediately. has no miss whiff on jab 1 he can do it freely and you can't punish him like you could anyone else missing their jab 1 ie beetlejuice

[spice laurel]

Jack can’t kill you at 100 dmg on stage

[indigo nebula]

Jack always turns around jab if he misses the first one

[stark jetty]

Jack in 1v1 is garbage

[indigo nebula]

Aight keep the jack slander coming

[fluid chasm]

Arya needs nerfs

[tulip bluff]

Jack doesnt need nerfs nor buffs, just hitbox adjusting lmao

[rancid jackal]

Jack jab 2 is actually bad on whiff

[sharp moon]

NERF JACK BUFF IRON GIANT

[worn ferry]

jack 100% needs nerfs sorry jack mains try skill

[graceful prairie]

buff lebron bro we need iron giant and lebron meta

[tulip bluff]

what does he need a nerf on

[fluid chasm]

Huh

[rancid jackal]

Nerf taz tornado

[lime ingot]

Straight up a lie

[tulip bluff]

taz is terrible but myles is making it sound like taz is just absolute unplayable

[spice laurel]

So serious rn

[graceful prairie]

i hope u joking

[vagrant thunder]

If you get killed early by that, you were just too close to the top.

[rancid jackal]

Nah this is true. Jack can’t kill without edge guards or up special reads from center stage

[graceful prairie]

joker up air and bugs up air is so annoying

[spice laurel]

Jack CANT kill you at 100 dmg on stage

[fluid chasm]

Most of jacks moves are predictable

[tulip bluff]

Jack needs hitbox adjusting, thats all

[worn ferry]

broken hitboxes his sword is just a giant rectangle on a sheath and connects w EVERYTHING hence his early kill power off stage, and whiff on SOME of his moves not being enough, and finally his spammy side special

[fluid chasm]

I agree

[lime ingot]

Good thing he can just carry you to edge for almost free with his strings?

[tulip bluff]

ive parried jack so many times

[graceful prairie]

not if they have above room temp IQ lol

[wraith geyser]

Honestly, Jack feels to me like easy mode in all modes when I use it, like Shaggy owo

[indigo nebula]

Strange clears most people in this chat lmao

[stark jetty]

And grab actually being able to kill again lol

[spice laurel]

Jack literally telegraphs EVERY move he does

[rain tapir]

[rancid jackal]

Not consistently tho morty and Arya and shaggy are near impossible to combo on jack

[graceful prairie]

give me lebron james meta

[open girder]

myles was never serious

[glacial spear]

I’d rather not

[graceful prairie]

morty is so annoying no matter what

[tulip bluff]

his hitboxes are the only thing which needs fixing, he can only kill early with reading (jack is heavy read reliant) he has lots of whiff and his side special is pretty easy to parry (atleast for me) and easy to avoid. Learn the match up, i know you play 2s so you have a different perspective but you aint making sense at all.

[worn ferry]

boot up training mode and spam jab one repeatedly. tell me to my face im lying

[spice laurel]

Jack has some of the worst knock back in game

[graceful prairie]

unserious

[fluid chasm]

Bro telling jack nerfs is crazy

[rancid jackal]

Even wonder woman who is a tank gets to walk out of jacks combos Scott free

[elder sentinel]

Love claiming infinite bp tiers and getting nothing but more bp xp

[unique notch]

if anyone wants to spar im a top 300 batman(havent played alot of matches)

[spice laurel]

What move kills at 100 dmg on stage?

[tulip bluff]

Myles plays 2s hence why he thinks jack needs nerfs, in reality, jack is punishable, has lots of endlag and is pretty slow.

[open girder]

he has whiff what about it

[warm holly]

it’s so lame nowwww 😭

[graceful prairie]

idk whos on sum jack BUFFS bro that would be genuinely horrible

[rancid jackal]

Only his charged neutral

[spice laurel]

Exactly

[unique notch]

hes so good rn

[graceful prairie]

man where is the lebron love

[fluid chasm]

Nah he just needs hitbox changes

[worn ferry]

bro I will boot up this pc record function right now keep playin w me

[spare zephyr]

I don’t think anyone needs nerfs tbh besides Wonder Woman who literally has too much

[graceful prairie]

this

[fluid chasm]

Jack is only good in 2s

[tulip bluff]

Jack doesnt need buffs or nerfs lol, i would like a buff to his counter because its the second worst move in the game but yeah jack has issues (His hitboxes and thats it)

[warm holly]

he’s annoying in 2s 😔

[open girder]

skibidi can also do that lol also i ve been punished for my jabs since it s not even a disjoint

[spice laurel]

Jack can’t kill on stage. Even at 100 dmg.

[graceful prairie]

ion play 2s but in 1s he is not tuff

[tulip bluff]

Jack is meh in 1s and is very good in 2s

[unique notch]

in 1s hes good

[lime ingot]

Damn, 2 bad matchups?
That's so bottom tier material, you're so right. Completely worthless.

[worn ferry]

Imma get yo boi nerfed I'll put that video in feedback TRY ME

[rancid jackal]

So he doesn’t need buffs but he needs buffs

[tulip bluff]

Jack is insanely read reliant

[worn ferry]

say one more thing

[fluid chasm]

He's meh like strange said but there's better options

[warm holly]

i’m not too familiar to the matchup so the really good ones are scary but yeah he’s cool

[spice laurel]

Jack needs Buffs.
His up tilt doesn’t work properly.
It doesn’t even hit small characters

[tulip bluff]

he doesnt need buffs but if i want buffs for him, that would be what i would want

[rain tapir]

[wraith geyser]

Like Jason, I think

[tulip bluff]

ive already caused jack to get nerfed xd, dude is not getting nerfed and if he does, it wont because of you.

[rancid jackal]

He honestly needs that as a buff, also focus move buffs are fair bc they would be compensation buffs for the nerfs this season

[stuck wolf]

Yo does anyone know what the highest damage ever dealt is? Because I might’ve broken that record by a long shot lmao

[open girder]

except jason kills and does 12+ dmg for small reads

[tulip bluff]

Jason isnt read reliant

[rancid jackal]

Way more than 2 bad matchups those were just examples

[warm holly]

??????????

[fluid chasm]

He really isn't

[spice laurel]

At least Jason kills.

[lime ingot]

Boohoo?

[warm holly]

trolling

[stuck wolf]

I just did 4585 damage lmao

[fluid chasm]

What makes Jason read reliant

[rancid jackal]

Jack has a bad matchup against almost all the top tiers besides agent smith

[wraith geyser]

I know a Jason who was GM last season and he told me than Jason is read reliant.

[spare zephyr]

BUNNY JUMPSCARED ME SO BAD 😭😭😭

[tulip bluff]

Jason is my secondary, what makes him read reliant?

[spice laurel]

Jack forward air doesn’t kill. It’s a nerf sword

[warm holly]

Everything he’s slow as hell

how is jack read reliant with that frame 1 jab? sit down 😭

[warm holly]

BOO 😛

[fluid chasm]

Jason isn't that slow as you think when IAD

Jason has speed tech as well

[rain tapir]

jason is faster then velma somehow

[worn ferry]

Jack mains fighting for their LIFE tryin to downplay that jab

[warm holly]

yeah just run up to them and mash see what happens

[spare zephyr]

Hate that this is true 😭

[rancid jackal]

Frame 1 jab is cap. Jacks jab actually has decent start up, Superman get use armor faster than jack can jab

[fluid chasm]

I just spam nair

[worn ferry]

START UP??????????????

[glacial spear]

Papa Jason >

[warm holly]

nah once u downplay the jab ik ur just gone

[brave wraith]

why can't i load into a match?

[spice laurel]

I don’t abuse Jab like that. I hate jabs in this game. But what I do know is some moves like Up Tilt don’t even work. Especially on short characters

[tulip bluff]

jack is read reliant because he has no combo potential (he does on heavies though) and its the only way for jack to kill early. Jacks jab needs hitbox adjusting along with other moves.

[fluid chasm]

All jabs in this game are bs

[unborn quail]

uhh

[brave wraith]

hey i can't load into a match like at all

[glacial spear]

it’s my trademark 😏

[rain tapir]

enlighten me what the bs part about velma jab is

[warm holly]

His gameplan is the edge like superman. Jab twice, side special and their off the side and u can guard

he also has iad for vertical stuff

[spice laurel]

THIS. Jack relies on that stupid up tilt but it don’t work on everyone

[tulip bluff]

I actually cant take yall serious with your jack takes xd, i saw a guy reply to my tweet saying that jack needs a 30 sec cooldown on his side special

[warm holly]

obviously that guy was dragging it

[rain tapir]

velma book ahh cooldown

[warm holly]

velma jab is really good..

[rancid jackal]

Let’s be honest Superman is way better at edgeguarding than jack. Even when he’s getting edgeguarded himself he can reverse throw you near the blast zone

[warm holly]

NOT BS but like

[spice laurel]

Jack can’t kill at 100 dmg on stage bro.

[glacial spear]

what’s her jab

[rain tapir]

leads into a whole lot of nothing and takes 3 business days to come out

[tulip bluff]

jab 2x into side special is not true???

[warm holly]

the range and linger? it comes out like joker speed

[rain tapir]

i think you mean dash attack...

[fluid chasm]

It's bad that's what is bs

[rancid jackal]

Right fake combo xS

[worn ferry]

idk how to explain to you that ALOT of characters can't kill at 100 on stage. Like have you TRIED an assassin class even once????

[hybrid spindle]

your name became a bear

[warm holly]

No one said one was better

[rancid jackal]

Myles is def a ragebaiter for jack mains

[fluid chasm]

Ppg can kill at 100 you sure buddy

[tulip bluff]

he can with reads

[warm holly]

bunny ^^’ but yea

[spice laurel]

LOL. yes.

[warm holly]

no, it’s a read

[tulip bluff]

No myles just doesnt know the match up and is only looking at jack from the 2s perspective because they play 2s

[tulip bluff]

okay but you can avoid it if its a read

[warm holly]

i land velma jab like all the time

[rancid jackal]

You just compared him to Superman when Superman does almost everything better than jack while being heavier with better combos

[warm holly]

jab into dtilt goes into another jab doesn’t it

[spice laurel]

Dash attack? (That’s a huge maybe). Neutral Attack charged only

[tulip bluff]

Nope, got removed after one nerf

[rain tapir]

you can land it quite often yea but the reward is non existent

[warm holly]

i’m saying they had the same game plan idk why you changed the main idea

[sage summit]

im feeling kinda cracked today time to play w/ randoms

[spice laurel]

Maybe down special charged

[tulip bluff]

im gonna be honest, i think all reverse jabs should be removed lmao

[warm holly]

that doesn’t make it not a good jab. it’s a jab

[wraith geyser]

Bunnies are cute and huggable =D! I had a bunnie and I always pampered him, I miss him 😔 💗

[rain tapir]

well if you compare it to practically any jab its the worst by a long shot

[warm holly]

so cute 😊💘

[tulip bluff]

alright im down with defending jack to people who dont know how he actually is, yall just have some weird takes lmao

[rancid jackal]

Except Superman has a completely different game plan, spam armor as many times as possible and stay high in the air to use as many lasers as possible

[warm holly]

i’d take velma jab over gizmo, steven, ppg, reindog, jake, morty…

[worn ferry]

Nerf spamurai wack

[sharp moon]

BUFF JACK

[fluid chasm]

Ppg jab ain't that bad

[warm holly]

yeah again, u show me u don’t know what ur talking about 🫡

[tulip bluff]

everything youve said has just been proven to be wrong

[wraith geyser]

BUFF HUGS 🤗

[sharp moon]

buff jack nerf velma

[worn ferry]

it hasn't but ok

[spice laurel]

Jack needs defending. He relies on reads to kill. Can’t kill early unless you got read like an audio book. And any character can do that

[warm holly]

imo it’s terrible

[fluid chasm]

Even though that's their best combo starter

[lime ingot]

Just DEMOLISHED a duo of a 5k Wins Jake and a 1k Wins TnJ in ranked with a Lebron and Marvin team.

I'm just too good bro.

[tulip bluff]

"ALL HIS MOVES HAVE 0 WHIFF WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING???"

[warm holly]

again just the jab

[fluid chasm]

At least their balance we can agree on that

[warm holly]

🍪

[rancid jackal]

I mean this is what ppl are doing in game, you don’t have to believe me

[tulip bluff]

jack needs hitbox adjusting and thats all, his jab reaches way too fast with its current hitbox.

[fluid chasm]

And Rivers flurry weaken needs to be removed

[warm holly]

That doesn’t mean it’s the most effective/optimal way to play him 😭

[warm holly]

you said u were done right?

[tulip bluff]

Jacks jab is safe with its hitbox

[spice laurel]

I don’t even care just fix up tilt and some other stuff and I’m good

[wraith geyser]

PPG now has a lot of punish-time after a move in a lot of his moves pwp

[rancid jackal]

He needs more than that bro, honestly where do you place jack in the meta

[tulip bluff]

done defending jack to people who dont know how he actually works

[warm holly]

tell me about it 😭

[tulip bluff]

bottom 8 in the meta.

[rain tapir]

gizmo: has much better framedata and a much better reward
steven: much better framedata and a decent reward
ppg: much better framedata and ridiculous reward
jake: better framedata and a similar reward
morty: much better framedata

[fluid chasm]

Ppg is at least B tier

[warm holly]

and yet ur still going on

[warm holly]

third time i said i’m just talking about the jab itself not what u can do with it

[tulip bluff]

okay then i guess i will continue

wildcard, you think velmas jab is good so i just cant take you serious with your takes anymore

[warm holly]

velma jab over raven jab especially, hers is so slow

[rain tapir]

even considering only the jab1, every jab is better then hers

[warm holly]

😭 it issss

I’ve literally won so many jab offs with velma

[warm holly]

alr 🤝

[tulip bluff]

it really isnt but okay

[warm holly]

you play velma right?

[unborn oasis]

another day of maining the best character in the game

[fluid chasm]

Raven jab is good tf

[tulip bluff]

i play with a velma teammate and ive seen how terrible that thing is

[worn ferry]

Velma's jab is insanely good chat has no idea what they're saying

[tulip bluff]

regardless ive used velma and i dont think her jab is that good tbh

[fluid chasm]

You saying to nerf jack

[warm holly]

Did i say it was the best in the game.. 😭 cuz that’s what y’all acting like

[austere tree]

Why do Taz players love spamming Tornado and Dogpile and then salt you like they did something special? Lol

[tulip bluff]

myles, no one can take you serious anymore with all your takes today

[tulip bluff]

You never did, its not the worst jab but it isnt really good either, thats just my opinion.

[wraith geyser]

Even Finn jab 1 =0? I didn´t knew.

[worn ferry]

🥹 I....don't care? Velma's jab is good

[warm holly]

can i have my opinion or no

[unborn oasis]

the tornado isn’t a problem anymore ngl

[rancid jackal]

So you’re fine w the devs removing all of jacks focus moves applying weakened and getting nothing in return?

[tulip bluff]

no bcuz im awesome, im joking, we will always have our different perspective and opinion.

[unborn oasis]

dogpile is annoying tho and his nair

[worn ferry]

Yall really don't understand how far away Velma jab 1 hits

[tulip bluff]

i dont actually care lol, i just want his counter buffed

[warm holly]

just drop it they’re being stubborn

[sharp moon]

Buff Bugs Nerf Velma

[warm holly]

🎣

[rancid jackal]

So his dspec focus basically being a useless move just doesn’t matter then

[unborn oasis]

2/10

[tulip bluff]

jab jab enraged down special is pretty good, its not true of course but it does give it less start up making it able to hit most times

also i barely use it

[glacial spear]

Nerf Velma Buff Jason 🗿

[tulip bluff]

Gut velma, buff arya

[sharp moon]

I forgot she was in the game

[glacial spear]

do NOT buff arya

[tulip bluff]

buff arya because qrys wants arya buffed

[sharp moon]

buff her and IG

[austere tree]

I know you lying lol cause how is it not a problem? With projectiles? I only have one projectile that can effectively stop taz other than that his tornado takes priority over all the rest of my moves even the armored ones

[wraith geyser]

Gut toxicity, buff huggies 🤗

[tulip bluff]

IG should be reworked lol, he can sometimes be the most easiest opponent to deal with and then just be the most op character ever

[unborn oasis]

who do you use ?

[rancid jackal]

At what percent does that kill

[warm holly]

You just gotta run or parry don’t force it

[wraith geyser]

I don't even know what gut means, but is very used, I guess it means nerf =0

[tulip bluff]

do you actually use it consistently lol?

[tulip bluff]

gutted means absolute unplayable or just nerfed to the ground

[rancid jackal]

I do but I’m just asking you to see if you know

[warm holly]

nerfed to the point the character is significantly weaker, borderline useless

[tulip bluff]

No because ive never used it when the opponent is at higher percentages

[unborn oasis]

i love fighting marvin players especially ppl that use his neutral special for combos

[rain tapir]

ok so it hits decently far away
but then you have:
terrible startup and whiff lag
inconsistent jab1 > jab2
no combo potential
terrible active frames
misleading visuals
that range doesnt compensate anything at all

[unborn oasis]

i have high respect for those guys man the combos they make never disappoint

[tulip bluff]

hey dude, you got any lebron tips, been tryna use him recently

[wraith geyser]

Aaaah, thankies for explaining me 🤗 Then indeed, gut toxicity and buff positivity uwu👌

[warm holly]

🫡 💜💜💜

[austere tree]

Garnet

[rancid jackal]

It can’t kill a light char like taz at 100 at the ledge

[warm holly]

neutral attack, you have two projectiles

[sharp moon]

🍅

[tulip bluff]

Do you think Jack ACTUALLY needs that buff though?

[austere tree]

How do you parry a move that has no hit box reference to be able to tell when to parry?

[warm holly]

i do it all the time babe

[tulip bluff]

I do great with Jack because my reading is really good

[warm holly]

playing the shaggy

[unborn oasis]

jab jab iad nair/dair are your best friends for lebron. there’s other combos but those are his best

[warm holly]

GET OUT ‼️

[tulip bluff]

is the first jab without basketball or with

[warm holly]

winning so far with the shagnator

[unborn oasis]

with basketball

[tulip bluff]

can you combo from nair?

[warm holly]

u need to LEAVE 🚪

[wraith geyser]

Tomatoes are yummy in 🥗 c=

[unborn oasis]

around 70-100 u can kill with jab jab iad nair jump up air

sometimes 60

[tulip bluff]

Alright thanks dude

[unborn oasis]

sometimes it doesn’t bring them upwards tho

[tulip bluff]

good to know

[rancid jackal]

I don’t think he NEEDS it to be viable, but logically it just make sense that a focus/ex move be stronger than it’s cost free counterpart

[warm holly]

and i lost

[unborn oasis]

you can also do jab down attack into jab jab iad nair to

[tulip bluff]

it does make sense but tbh i dont really care, i do amazing with my jack with how he is right now.

[austere tree]

Neutral doesn’t work and only one projectile works effectively against Taz when he does one of those moves

[warm holly]

does for me

[austere tree]

Then you are definitely better than me cause I heavily struggle with trying to parry let alone dodge those moves that he does

[unborn oasis]

doesn’t she have that other move that works against tornado

[rancid jackal]

I get what you’re saying but the game doesn’t need to suited around only what top players think is necessary

[warm holly]

I never bother with dog pile because yeah it’s hard to tell but, yeah if you time it right they were will pop the armor and you get the punch in

it’s a hard commit

[unborn oasis]

that ground move she does idk the input for it tho i never touched her

[warm holly]

probably 🤔

[unborn oasis]

it’s like where her fists hit the ground or something

[warm holly]

yes ik the shockwave

[tulip bluff]

i appreciate you for considering me a top player but i never said that jacks balancing should be leaded by me but i try to think what is actually nessacary and needed for Jack, ive reported many bugs which are beneficial for jack and done other things for him because i just want jack to be the most sigma of all sigmas.

The only thing i think jack needs right now is for his counter to actually work

[warm holly]

[tulip bluff]

wildcard, are you real

[open girder]

no

[warm holly]

also don’t quote me but i think elbow bash works 👀 for nado

[open girder]

bro s wildfard

[tulip bluff]

wildfraud

SigmaCard

[warm holly]

👻 i’m a lesson in your life

[tulip bluff]

i dont speak wildcard, can someone translate that for me

[warm holly]

🎲 roll a 6

[rancid jackal]

I mean you finished top 20 in ones I think that qualifies as a top player xD

[warm holly]

oop

[old imp]

EWWWW

[warm holly]

brotha euwwww

[austere tree]

That seems like some pretty fine tuned timing but I’ll try it

[warm holly]

just practice against me i’ll be taz

[tulip bluff]

haha true but i dont think ranked placements mean much anymore. Its just cheesing your way to the top, camping and etc

it was great to get top 20 without doing all those weird behavior stuff

[rancid jackal]

Idk if this is a Mandela effect, but I swear dodge cancel off the ledge was an intended mechanic and they showed it in one of the previous into the versus. Yet they still removed jacks ability to do it with up tilt

[warm holly]

Getting to that point WITHOUT cheesing is an accomplishment. be proud, don’t let people take that from you 🎖️

[tulip bluff]

Appreciate it wildcard❤️

[warm holly]

does anyone even use that fr 😭

[warm holly]

💜 🃏

[tulip bluff]

my jack montage is all they had to see

[rancid jackal]

The best players did it last season lol

[austere tree]

I’ve done elbow bash before but it mainly works right at the start up of tornado and most taz players do tornado at a distance

[desert marlin]

is ravens bird called Lenore? it says i need to grab an enemy with Lenore, does that mean the grounded up special with the bird

[austere tree]

Idk if I can handle that stress I’ve already played around 7 taz players within 45 mins but we can go for it I gursss

IF ANY DEVELOPERS CHECK THIS CHAT PLEASE PUT MORE OF A NERF ON TAZ TORNADO I BEG OF YOU 😭😭

[obsidian verge]

No dev will ever see this

[warm holly]

yea!

[acoustic anchor]

@toxic gull why did you u forfeit after winning?

[tulip bluff]

Yeah its called lenore, ive seen some very funny bugs iwth lenore

[warm holly]

😭 send me ur stuff

[desert marlin]

thanks

[desert marlin]

thanks

[austere tree]

A guy can hope though 😮‍💨

[austere tree]

Typhoon_707

[warm holly]

💜

[warm holly]

sent!

[brave crow]

Frizzy ur awesome

[obsidian verge]

🫘

[austere tree]

Ok

[austere tree]

[obsidian verge]

:)

[warm holly]

are u getting the invites sir

[austere tree]

Yes I received your friend invite

[warm holly]

just invite me then =_= @austere tree

[austere tree]

I just got it I’m sorry 😢

[warm holly]

The ghost invites are actin up

[warm holly]

dw! don’t forget the maps

[desert marlin]

joker neutral special in air is bs bro how does that combo into down air so soon, just died at like 20

[warm holly]

ouchhhh

[pliant sedge]

its not a true combo u can dodge

[desert marlin]

no its true

against the stage

[brave flax]

How come the bots have unreleased perks? Is that a glitch?

[oak quail]

if you have to ask it's always a glitch

[earnest tundra]

So I see banana guard is still busted

[warm holly]

yeah parrying dogpile isn’t the move apparently 😭

[austere tree]

That’s crazy that I parried the dogpile and it did nothing 😭😂

[warm holly]

You’re doing really well tho!

You struggle with the ledge play tho, getting around it

[austere tree]

That was insane how that happened I couldn’t believe it lol

[austere tree]

Thanks and yeah I struggle a lot with ledge offense and edge guarding

[warm holly]

🫡 lmk if u want me to do specific things

[sharp pecan]

who mentioned me?

keep getting mentioned by ghosts bruh

[warm holly]

hi gallle

[sharp pecan]

sup wildcard🖐️

[sharp pecan]

thats prob bc it is a constant move

like u cant dodge the tornado either u know

[ionic swan]

The NA vs EU crew Battle was 🫶

[languid plaza]

Climbing ranked once more (I’m losing to jacks who spam side special)

[analog stirrup]

NA team won that battle iirc right

[ionic swan]

Yea

[ivory pelican]

Anyone wanna help me rank up?

Im gold 1

[ionic swan]

What FatPac’s shaggy done to the EU team needs to be examined closer.

[open girder]

i didnt follow what did he do

[austere tree]

That’s wild to be like that though

[twin bloom]

Can someone diamond+ tell me if Rick or Black Adam are strong atm?

[ionic swan]

Delete several stocks from the Eu’s 18 stocks before being eliminated

[warm holly]

Rick YES
adam he alr

[open girder]

i mean he s shaggy

[ionic swan]

Yeh lol

[twin bloom]

Ty

[unborn bronze]

Hey, so is there anyone I can ask if there is going to be a raven announcer pack because I was genuinely looking forward to that and was going to buy it and was disappointed that there doesn't seem to be one with her release like every other character on the battle pass

[twin bloom]

There is one. Go to Account Cosmetics (where you change your announcer) and you can buy it from there

[desert marlin]

is nair into up smash a true combo with raven cuz i just did nair to up smash to up air and he died lol starting from 50

[ionic swan]

Up smash? You mean up charge Attack? 🗿

[desert marlin]

nvm it didnt look true

[desert marlin]

!!!

is there rage in this game? so when youre at like 100 you do more damage then at 0

[rancid jackal]

Raven up tilt needs a buff

[desert marlin]

☠️

[warm holly]

🗿

@austere tree nice work

[solid arch]

Is it me or does Jason actually feel good? He was a bit wonky and didn't enjoy him as much as I thought he did, but when I returned and played Jason, he felt great

[ionic swan]

Jason op rn

[solid arch]

Also, Lich for MV. Awesome choice

[analog stirrup]

Yes, he does, he's pretty menace

[rancid jackal]

I like lich but I think pb should come first

[solid arch]

He is? I just thought that he was just in a good spot, but not op, since he still has the disadvantage of being slow and big

[unborn bronze]

Kind of lame that they took that off of the battle pass, but guess they gotta make money somehow

[desert marlin]

cant tell if jason is good or bad

[rancid jackal]

Banana guard and the candy kingdom b4 bubblegum is crazy

[solid arch]

Idk dude. The lich would make such a good addition considering that there are no actually menacing fighters in terms of design

[unborn bronze]

......aaaaaand I can't even purchase the voice pack separately.......greaaaaaaat.....

[ionic swan]

If you fight a good Passive Jason you’ll change your stance quick

[rancid jackal]

I think so too. I think they both should get in, my only differing opinion is that pb should get in first

[solid arch]

How so? Speaking of passive, I went up against a passive/reactive jack. He was kinda scary but I won 2-0

[sage summit]

Arya shaggy 3 times in row, these sweaty losers need to have their internet turned off.

[warm holly]

he’s good

[rancid jackal]

I always take things w a grain of salt when ppl say passive

[solid arch]

Gosh, Shaggy to this day still feels so cancerous to play against

[rancid jackal]

Like are the ppl are you fight passive or are you just impassive

[solid arch]

I sure love the lack of punishment due to the amount of hyperarmor he has and how quick his moves come out

[ionic swan]

Jason with AirWalker hiding off map is morbid to fight

[desert marlin]

aah okay he is scary to fight against but when i am using batman it feels like its so easy cuz i can just combo him for so long

[ripe solar]

How are people getting two faced coin from season 1 rift in ranked matches?

[desert marlin]

that armor mad scary tho

[open girder]

finn

[ripe solar]

Ahh ok

[warm holly]

yeah he’s huge but he can kill as early as like 60% with good reads. And the armored grab is a really good move

[sage summit]

AGAIN

4 times the same duo

[austere tree]

Thank you and thank you for taking the time to help me with match up knowledge

[sage summit]

NAh im alt f4ing

i actually cant make this up

[rancid jackal]

Just take a break

[desert marlin]

yeah i hate that move

[rancid jackal]

There was one day I fought the same top 10 grandmaster 5 times

[sage summit]

if i lose 3 times in a row why would matchmaking put us together a 4th time?? i like actually cant understand it

[rancid jackal]

Dead game

[solid arch]

I rarely ever see air walker at all

[sage summit]

Arya's run this for the 20 dmg kill combo, its actually incredibly cringe

[rancid jackal]

They’re the only players online with a similar mmr to you

[ionic swan]

So my thing is, just because a character thats op isnt being used in the way that makes them op commonly doesnt make them not op.

[solid arch]

Oh I forgot that interaction with Arya exists. She still is cringe to this dead

[sage summit]

Arya mains deserve nothing but a swift death, like i really want her F tier, worse than velma

[ionic swan]

I got Iron Gianted last night badly lol. I wasnt being patient like I usually am

[rancid jackal]

Arya mains are disgusting vile creatures

[warm holly]

🙏 happy to help