us - NYC metro

[jaunty harness]

hahaha traceroutes on LF20, ahahahahahahahahaha yeah right

exchange position can be hit/miss, mostly if they don't have position set they have nothing to exchange

[gloomy sun]

why traceroute no workie?

do i need to temporaily bump my hops to 7 to get a message to @median gate

[jaunty harness]

because old firmware ROUTER_CLIENTs

[gloomy sun]

ohhhhhhh now it makes sense why you guys hate routers so much lol

they are still reaking havoc

[jaunty harness]

they eat packets and create backholes, and are ignored by their operators

[gloomy sun]

bad boys!

[median gate]

My list shows JLO2 at 5 hops away but no way to know how stable that is

[gloomy sun]

just pinged you

does sending messages help discover new nodes?

[median gate]

I got test 3!

Hopefully my reply made it but might’ve needed more hops. It’d be neat if DMs could automatically match hops to the contact

Yup, took maybe a minute but the ack made it all the way back

[gloomy sun]

Got your reply

[midnight mural]

I haven’t had any succeed yet

[gloomy sun]

Corona to Jersey in effect whoop whoop

[jaunty harness]

like JLO2 i also got your LongFast reply @ 3hops

[median gate]

I’ve had a couple succeed, one just now even, but to a close by node (called Brighton beach but currently in JC not Coney Island area)

[gloomy sun]

Just got your second message from the streets.

[median gate]

Never did get the recipient ack but hey, it’s basically working

[gloomy sun]

Got a direct message from dktowerbot!

Im in shock.

[misty gorge]

Was just in Maryland and stopped by Philly. Picked up some nodes in Philly and even got a delivery confirmation to my LongFast "ping"

[gloomy sun]

Zumble is back baby!!!! Whoop

[jaunty harness]

oh sure, perfect excuse as to why you're ignoring me now 🦊 is back on LF20 😄

[misty gorge]

I've been away since Friday. No Meshtastics in Annapolis or Hoopersville MD

Philly seemed to have a bunch though.

[jaunty harness]

ahh well i have actually been looking for your EDC for sign it's time to start trying again

(instead i'm just 0-1 hops three ROUTER_CLIENTs)

[misty gorge]

picked this up from one of the philly nodes.

https://phillymesh.net/

[misty gorge]

I think its time for you to move.

[jaunty harness]

helllllll nah, I got rent stabilization!!

like 10 years of OATH Board shenanigans to get it

[misty gorge]

Then we gotta find who owns those nodes.. or we need to find those router nodes and take them out with a....laser....

[jaunty harness]

now you're talking 😄

[misty gorge]

"Don't you fucking use ROUTER mode" beacon needs to happen.

[jaunty harness]

other idea i've been half jokingly/half seriously considering: 1W on the roof set to ROUTER_LATE to preempt them AND actually be useful

[misty gorge]

is that preempt? doesnt that just repeat after the router nodes go off?

[jaunty harness]

even if they just update firmware to >2.5.x that'd make them cosmetic infra roles and abide by normal CLIENT behavior and i'd have no problems

oh i'm figuring I would do the original re-tx before them from better ears (node would have filter) but then also the delayed re-tx for better reliability out of an infra node

[misty gorge]

Ohhhh..

I think the try the beacon first.. let that run for maybe a month?

[jaunty harness]

heh yeah, that's more likely to happen - too much work lately

[misty gorge]

I'd like to think who ever put those nodes up actually use them sometimes.

[jaunty harness]

i'm less forgiving, they put them up with what was already old firmware at the time and haven't updated them or used as a CLIENT since

[misty gorge]

i wonder if these are window nodes instead of solar nodes

You'd think someone who spends the time to build a solar node would not completely abandon it.

but window node.. maybe.

they could have just bought something with firmware on it already and plugged it into USB and forgot about it

what happens if we all put those 3 nodes on ignore?

[jaunty harness]

that would fix it since they'd be mass ignored, but without 100% ignoring it wouldn't work as intended

[misty gorge]

but lets try to get as many nodes as possible to ignore them??

if it kind of bandaids the mesh.. thats better than nothing.

you really just need the "infrastructure" nodes near it to ignore them right?

that should help a lot?

[jaunty harness]

everything needs to ignore it, even one client without it ignored will repeat if under hoplimit

[misty gorge]

but that just burns a hop right? that one client may help your message get out?

[gloomy sun]

@median gate i see your tdeck

[median gate]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-duck-naked-shocked-gif-10756729

[gloomy sun]

Can someone help

Bot CMD?:ping, bbshelp, bbslist, games, hfcond, messages, moon, motd, sitrep, solar, sun, sysinfo, whereami, whoami, wiki:, wx, wxa

What do i do with this? Dktowerbot

[midnight mural]

How is MD? I don’t see much when I’m between Baltimore and DC and around

[misty gorge]

I went down there for a fishing trip.. but the damn weather runined it.. sooo.. We visited the naval academy which was really cool. Had a good meal.. but Annapolis is meh.. so is hoopersville.

[midnight mural]

Annapolis is the size of like 3 nyc blocks, and has as many nodes. I remember *bros as node names, AmishIT guy.

That place is part of my travel routine

[misty gorge]

We did the maritime museum and ate are the restaurant there.

Pretty good.. but the plan was to go fishing out of hoopersville.. trip got cancelled the day we were supposed to head down there.. headed down there anyway and found absolutely nothing around and just left the next morning. haha

[tender pine]

I love Maryland

[misty gorge]

Like all of it? Or certain parts? I hear ocean city is nice too. Baltimore is kinda cool for food.

[tender pine]

It all has a lot of charm, until i moved to nyc i was a Maryland lifer

I think it is a very varied state, it goes from the seashore to the bay to the Appalachian mountains

[misty gorge]

I had no idea there was so much nice water.

I've always just known Baltimore.

We were joking that it felt like we were in africa with the flat fields and mountains in the background.

[misty gorge]

@midnight mural F&F Pizza is a very solid NY slice. But I don't think its as good as Philomenas or Chrissy's.

[terse gull]

Ceres

[gloomy sun]

damn that looks good!!!!

philomenas is within reach for me. i might ping you guys from there this week.

[midnight mural]

Yeah, tons of coastline and crabs. I miss having fresh crabs in the summer down there

[midnight mural]

Same, but I can’t go back after all that NY has to offer

[misty gorge]

Do it. What you want is the pepperoni square slice okay? But all of it is good.

[misty gorge]

Our Airbnb put out crab traps for us. We got like 10 out of the two traps

[misty gorge]

Being able to get almost anything at any hour is pretty addictive.

[misty gorge]

Too poor for that.

Round two.

[jaunty harness]

Zumble don't need the mesh to have a pizza party 8)

[misty gorge]

Diamond Slice Pizza. Pretty good. The tomato slice is better than regular cheese in my opinion

[midnight mural]

That’s called Ledo Pizza and it fucking sucks. It’s in NY too, kills me everytime I see it

Provolone is a worse offender than pineapple on pizza

[misty gorge]

No provolone at Philomenas

[misty gorge]

Didn't get any nodes to pick me up by Steve's Key lime or Diamond Slice

[torpid imp]

Shoutouts to Bayridge

[gloomy sun]

Lets goh!!!!!!!!!!!!

[terse gull]

everyone still on long fast?

[daring moth]

Yep, though we recently switched back to the defaults.

[gloomy sun]

Is Nassau really that bare?

Can i see your map to see what you have west of you?

There has to be some folks in flushing and bayside

[dark bobcat]

It would seem so. Obviously we’re much shorter (building wise) than the city. I’m roof mounted but that’s only about 25’ up. Only 2 consistent contacts. I’ve pretty much given up for now.

[gloomy sun]

Show me where you at on your map.

My buddy lives in freeport. Im going to set something up in his house

[dark bobcat]

Dm me if you want

[dark bobcat]

I’m west of lilo but close

[gloomy sun]

It’s a lil bare but im gonna add one soon. 😉 maybe 2. Trying to see if anyone could bridge queens to Long Island. I could see straight to you guys. Flat as hell.

[dark bobcat]

Flat is the problem. I have a 9dbi on the roof and that puts out a very narrow pattern. Even highway overpasses can block it. I should have stuck with my 5dbi to get more “height”

And fyi a lot of nodes you see will be…..me. I set fixed locations. I’m lilo, stitch (node crapped out though), doodle and Ripken.

[karmic junco]

I saw a e6d3

[karmic junco]

Yes. It's bad. North shore is barren

[karmic junco]

I have a few on the North shore,, covers part of the cross island expressway but only on the water. Ft totten on a good day, and parts of great neck (shoreline)

Anything else above 10msl I'm fucked

[gloomy sun]

I was cruising Jamaica queens today and got acknowledgment from york college. Someone is lurking around there.

There has to be more nodes than appear on map. Its a conspiracy

[jaunty harness]

heh no conspiracy, any node that doesn't share position will not show on the map

[gloomy sun]

Do they still mesh though?

[dreamy spoke]

yes i believe they do

[jaunty harness]

yeah any CLIENT will rebroadcast

[karmic junco]

Anyone see 🍕🍕🍕

[jaunty harness]

yeah he's been in/out of town past week

[fervent nebula]

nodes that don't share position won't show up on the client map, nodes that don't also OkToMQTT won't appear on the web maps.

[near ocean]

Anyone meshing @ AnimeNYC? If so what settings are y'all using? Long fast was just fine yesterday. But I can't chat nor dm today.

(hilariously, mobile data hasn't been too bad. Last year, meshtastic was a godsend because mobile data at Javits cons just gets too congested)

[gloomy sun]

JLO8 is on 9th floor and JLO7 is on 43. The signal went all the way to ridgewood from 43rd floor and back to 9 and from 9 straight up to 43. 🤩

[brazen spear]

We hope to put a node on top of electchester. That would bridge the gap.

[gloomy sun]

You local 3?

[brazen spear]

Not I. Friend of a friend

[gloomy sun]

Dope! I am.

[jaunty harness]

That’s how the flood routing works, the CLIENT with the worst SNR will have the shortest timer delay before retransmission, so in theory something closer/stronger will go to retx, notice someone’s already txing, listen for that to finish and check what it just heard is the same message it was about to send and give up if so

Helps propagate to the furthest end points

[gloomy sun]

wondering whats the fix so I can get all the downtown chatter back in Queens, its like you guy dont like up up here or summin.

[misty gorge]

Which tower?

[jaunty harness]

the tall one (ducks)

[gloomy sun]

Got some solid connections in east Jersey. Even on the turnpike now

[misty gorge]

Boooo. I ask cuz one of them has public safety equipment

[jaunty harness]

oh HAHA yeah I have no idea - it's Gardener's install

doesn't seem to be existing NYCMesh site either 🤷

[gloomy sun]

Forest hills has new nodes popping up. 🙌 whoop whoop

[torn veldt]

I've noticed my t1000e doesn't do great at transmitting

But often if I retry the transmission it goes through

Is there a way to automate this

So that it retries more times and has a longer timeout automatically?

[median gate]

Needs a firmware change. But also it might just not hear the rebroadcast even though it did get out, so could get very spammy unintentionally

If I ever get max tx reached I check meshview first to confirm no gateways heard the packet

[karmic junco]

I dont think it ever transmits well.

?Its unfortunate as I have 4.

[gloomy sun]

What do you guys think of the tbeam supreme?

[jaunty harness]

it has a radio newer than the SX1276 in the non-supreme which *means it doesn't have issues with

[bold jay]

I have one (Pige0n). Can’t comment on power consumption but otherwise it’s solid. I haven’t really explored this yet but it has more headroom for computing tasks.

My only issue is the Bluetooth range is horrid on mine. I’m not sure if its defective or I’m doing something wrong but I lose connection if I move to my kitchen which is line of sight 20ft away lol

Size wise it’s also quite a bit larger than my heltec 114t

[gloomy sun]

I heard it makes for a great router cuz of the headroom you speak of.

[bold jay]

Yeah I want to make a project similar to that Hops node and I think it would be great for that. Still figuring out all the LoRa stuff before I dig deeper

[jaunty harness]

ESP32 devices (like the T-Beam) have more flash than nRF52840 but most of the bots/scripts are intended to run on a standalone computer like a raspi or #1329096340700921898 which connects to the actual node over serial *or directly via meshtasticd (generally speaking)

[bold jay]

Ohhh interesting. I have a ton of Pis…

[jaunty harness]

even a 3b works, an OG B+ might but it's painful as that's basically same spec as the Femtofox (single core armv6 32bit cpu) but at least has a decent amount of RAM the 🦊 lacks (512MB vs 64MB)

then you have options like usb for serial connection or fancier options like a hat with the radio on it talking to meshtasticd over SPI, or Meshstick/Meshtoad which connect over USB (and use a USB<->SPI chip to allow it work)

3B with screen running MUI and 1W Hat (the Femtofox PCB can be setup as a standalone raspi hat as well as the Luckfox Pico Mini soldered directly onto it)

[bold jay]

My Pi’s are clustered together right now so I’ll find a way to make this work with K8s. Thank you for the info!

[midnight mural]

I love seeing that guy

[midnight mural]

You could, you know, leave that, and get MORE raspis haha

No need to break up a perfectly fine cluster

[jaunty harness]

heh looks like a unifi 8port switch + dream machine in there? also have been k8s free for (counts on fingers) 29 months - do not miss everyone trying to shove everything into k8s all the time at previous job (like the guy who wanted to move prod db + replica, because he didn't have to do any of the work nor understood k8s enough to know how stupid an idea that was)

[blissful moon]

I think k8s is pretty cool.. but is another layer of problems.. I built a k8s cluster with my rasp 4 and poe.. was pretty until I dismantled... but I also have a Vmware cluster with 2 supermicro and iscsi storage.. that at home.. LOL

[jaunty harness]

Nice! Yeah my issue is it’s amazing for scaling stateless and ephemeral apps but soon as you need persistence you’re hitting a nail with a saw instead of a hammer - it’ll work but oh boy are you doing it wrong

It’s become kind of its own self contained cloud which is super cool for homelab and multi tenancy, but if you’re running a minicloud in the actual cloud … see previous comment about doing it wrong

note: that’s also 100% personal opinion not shared by others, and that’s alright cause I used to work with a true wizard at k8s even though we didn’t agree on k8s utility we still did amazing work together coming at problems from totally different perspectives

[jaunty harness]

ooooooo @fast spruce - except your coords say S Buffalo

[haughty drum]

Sorry, we're on 7 hops, we do that because we are communicagting and connected to the Kattskill mesh, and a lot of that mesh is at 5 to 7 hops. It's intentional to go north, We basically only get from/to you guys when we get connections via ... northwest router or whatever that one is.
That and we literally have line of site to the city skyline from most locations that are 1500' to 1800' above the city.

[untold cargo]

Yup long island is team 7 hop too. Id love to have a mesh big enough to drop down. Ct folk are the only ones I see

[haughty drum]

We have single hops that cover over 50 miles. Between 'meshs' and so many 15 mile hops on between. But in the mountains and other tough areas we eat up some hops. But it is nice being able to go over 50 miles from home and still be able to talk back home

[karmic junco]

ooh cluster!

been kinda quiet here

[jaunty harness]

we have trouble getting even 5 miles for numerous reasons, including nodes with 7 high hops that sometimes reach down here

[haughty drum]

It's not sky scrapers concrete and steel?

[jaunty harness]

those are solvable/work-aroundable problems... people never updating firmware (those are all pre 2.5.x/no PKI) and running ROUTER_CLIENT not so much

dkTowerBot = ~80s flr of 1WTC, and even that runs CLIENT

[haughty drum]

I understand that. I've just noticed you've been pretty perturbed about us running 7 hops. I'm sorry our messages sometimes reach you, sometimes we get messages from the city as well, I pick up city nodes as low as 3 hips, yes all the way to 7. I mentioned earlier our mesh is rather large geographically, and we talk between states at well over 50 miles, some of us use 7 hops.to get to the other side of the mesh. I understand there are unwanted side effects like reaching others that don't want to hear us. We probably won't be on longfast for too long, as half the mesh wasn't, but switched back to join the other half and be 'discoverable' to new people. We so often use a 'private channel' which should at least stop messages coming through.
Also, yes I understand the roles and outdated nodes. We just recently switched a couple of our highest mtn top nodes to router_late after testing, previously we had all of them on client but swapping those roles.in those devices ended up making messages more reliable in certain circumstances

[haughty drum]

3 hops

[ashen venture]

Also our traffic usually doesn't reach into the city because of the noise floor. 7 hops outside the city shouldn't really impact the city mesh

[haughty drum]

I know. I've tried talking back to messages I've received on longfast, but I've never received a response.
Blaming our hop count for their messages not getting through be abuse every now and then they receive a message ... sounds a little bogus, as well as the individual users setting hop counts.

Back when we had the Jeffire repeater we constantly had connection with parts of the city, once that one went down, it really hasn't been much of an issue.

[ashen venture]

I don't think there's a big issue about us interferring from the outside of the city, at least that I've seen here or in the other discord.

[jaunty harness]

it's definitely gotten better since that node died, but the reality is we're using a shared spectrum and if you're not being concientous of how your own usage you're one step short of being the new user that sets your brand new shiny node with an infra role.
note: I don't use "you" as in you specifically and apologize if it was taken that way as I am equally unhappy with the people here that run 7 hops when they only need 4 or 5 at most - I give gardener a pass for running 7 hops on his unmonitored infra CLIENTs as it's one of the ways he remote admins them and they only put out telemetry/location with normal CLIENT behavior where they'll drop their own packets prioritizing messages. i'm also unsure when the "setup advice" on nyme.sh which said things like DON'T RUN INFRA ROLE and YOU DON'T NEED 7 HOPS SO DON'T DO IT got shuffled off to a subpage

[median gate]

I’m hopeful the city can build up enough density to make MediumFast viable, and then will have a natural separation between short and long haul meshes

And dare I wish for more deliberate routing options like that other meshing thing, for use cases where you want the control?

[ashen venture]

The terrain for the areas outside the city justifies a higher hop counts. It can take 1-2 hops just to get out of a valley. Definitely agree about being conscientious. Perhaps we can establish alternative channel 0 so nodeinfo doesn't spam on LF

[karmic junco]

I have my nodes setup as 7 hops

and most of the stuff I see is at least 3-5

(namely, I need 2 hops just to get out from my dead zone, from my portable to my big antenna, to another house which has another big antenna

[gloomy sun]

Most of us lose a hop to go up and get out. The people running low hops don’t reach the outer rings of the network. IMO, run whatever you want and think is necessary. We are all building and testing. Remember to have fun and don’t ruin the pizza party 🍕 🎉

I do think the router / repeater thing is a little more sensitive, the people with big brains in here should pick someone to become a router, to make hops and routing more efficient.

[midnight mural]

I love heading upstate and getting messages dozens of miles, that is so fun

[jaunty harness]

the problem with hops specifically is not a "well i guess the mesh isn't doing what I want" but instead an exponential problems because your packet goes out to the mesh and then is retransmitted throughout the mesh. so it's like I park outside your home and honk my horn - annoying, but it's one horn. so I bring in 10 friends who are also honking their horns outside your home. and they bring in 10 friends and now there's 101 horns outside.

now replace honking horn with a packet from far outside the mesh that makes it here at 5 hops, 6th hop gets it to an infra node who then blasts it out to 100+ nodes.

at that point you have a massive "oopsie"

while we were on LF24 it was definitely "anything goes" because we were a private mesh at that point and any oopsies were contained within. on default LF20 it's a whole other world where you should be mindful of things

[jaunty harness]

2 ROUTER_CLIENTs down (other being Harlem Relay)... 2 more to go

they only switched role, no firmware update as still not pubkey in their NODEINFO but still big

[median gate]

Poor Harlem relay still on medium slow

[jaunty harness]

@vocal cradle when you've got a chance, we're back on default LongFast/Slot 20 😄

I think Feeb's still on a MF/MS preset too? Haven't seen his Hoboken 1W for a while

[median gate]

Yeah also west facing, I could see both when I switched a node back on MS for a bit

[gloomy sun]

I get the management of airtime, and mis allocation of recourses. I also appreciate you explaining your position. I still think that that 100+ node blast is pretty incredible if it happens. Im not getting all the low hop folks messaging, and I wish i would.

[gloomy sun]

When you go med slow on lora config, you cant see chat long fast?

[fervent nebula]

the LoRa spread factors won't decode each others messages, plus the default frequency for MediumSlow preset is different to the one for LongFast

[gloomy sun]

Thanks!

[untold cargo]

i understand where you are coming from. In my day job I'm an embedded systems sw engineer with over 30 years of experience. my "night" job is writing/editing at hackaday. I really think the answer will be to have a mix of settings. 7 (or more) hops for folks in sparse areas. less hops (and different radio channels / profiles) in the dense areas.

looking to the ham world, going for distance is fun. It's pretty cool to see nodes all the way from boston pop up. I think that should be allowed in such a way that it doesn't destabilize the mesh or eat bandwidth.

[oblique heart]

Any one is westchester, specifically closer to new Rochelle?

Finally got my first node. Wanted to see if anyone else is local around here

[median gate]

Awesome! What node did you get? You might be able to reach LilyBX or one of @gloomy sun’s herd directly from there https://meshview.nyme.sh/map

[oblique heart]

It’s a heltec v3 with a stubby antenna so I don’t think I’m reaching anyone outside even a mile right now.

Plus my house is in like a bowl/valley which makes range worse.

I need to probably set up a solar node on my roof or something just to get visibility out of my neighborhood.

[median gate]

Getting something on the roof will definitely help, but you might be surprised. At the very least an antenna like the Muzi might help, it’s very very good

[jaunty harness]

Village of Mamaroneck has (or atleast used to have) some nodes up, one of the town hall by the library, one by the harbor and I think there was a 3rd out in the sound but that might have just been wacky location data (which having grown up there, made me happy)

[median gate]

Meshmap.net shows at least one in Mamaroneck as of yesterday, WND1

[jaunty harness]

ooo nice the village ones are named like VOM[1|2|3]. there was also a node in Larchmont earlier this year btu haven't seen it in like 6months

[proven grove]

I've been hearing a lot of y'all this week at home in Dobbs. But the question is... has anyone seen my nodes? Most are pretty obviously named lol

[jaunty harness]

i always assumed byte / 👾 was yours but i ain't heard from it in like 6 months

[jaunty harness]

@karmic junco it’s happening (over the weekend, IF I can get the old radio off) … a TBeam that can talk to LR11xx without waiting for 3.0 😃

[karmic junco]

@jaunty harness don't keep me in suspense!!

[jaunty harness]

hehe still haven't gotten to it yet other than slapping a bunch of kapton all over the board

[jaunty harness]

old radio is off! and it took almost all the pads with it 😢

after this last TI game get to sort of jumper wires weeeeeeeeeee

[blissful moon]

Anyone knows where to get femtofox?

[jaunty harness]

US Store (sold out for months, OSC is working on PCB milling so don't think they'll be stoking back up until they have that working). EU Store which is run by the designer himself and probably best bet short of doing your own JLC PCBA order following the how to order instructions

however if it's just the PCB you're after .. think I still have a blank CE Edition around

[normal elbow]

Hey all I'm interested in adding some nodes, but its becoming clear to me that I'd probably need to learn how to solder in order to set up something sustainable like a solar node. Any suggestions on how to learn?

[gloomy sun]

@midnight mural

[midnight mural]

Porkcube nailed it 🙂

[proven grove]

It was lol, Swapped it out for 45dc (my Faketec F1)

[proven grove]

Does it have to be an E22? And are you looking for the CE edition or a Pro?

And before I forget the actual reason I opened discord today: did anyone else get hit with a return to sender by USPS last week once it hit the NY Regional distribution center?
Had a package coming from GNiceRF in CN last week and they said it was undeliverable as addressed. meanwhile I know I didn't mess up my own address. Now NiceRF is trying to make me pay for redelivery (lol), but one of my coworkers said some packages that were coming to our office did the same thing last week. So I'm wondering if it's a USPS location issue and not my actual address.

[fervent nebula]

I had a package that is suddenly untrackable after the last status was "passed through customs" in NY my tracking status is now "no data available", like the package never existed.

[jaunty harness]

huh, haven't had anything coming via USPS in last 2 weeks, only thing i'm waiting on atm are the "sample" E22P which seems to be some 3rd party YANWEN

[crisp flicker]

This is probably a very basic question - how could one look at a map of Meshtastic connectivity throughout the NYC Metro?

[median gate]

https://malla.nyme.sh/map is a good place to start, there are a few different options but this is probably the most thorough view

and there’s an area-specific discord group a lot of meshers around here are in, if you have questions about specific neighborhoods etc https://discord.nyme.sh/

Note that not everyone enables location or map visibility, so this is only a partial view of what’s going on.

[vocal cradle]

Sorry about that! I set mine back to LongFast/20 👍

[median gate]

No worries! Glad to See it back in the fold https://malla.nyme.sh/node/861770540

[karmic junco]

@jaunty harness did it work??

[jaunty harness]

unfortunately no, though due to my PCB - I should be able to make it work but after I caught the mistakes I gave up until I had more time for the connect things up then try and sort out the custom fw needed (since existing variant is for SX1276 not SX1262 + pin changes)

[inner breach]

Hi I’ve never used meshtastic and am interested in setting something up in nyc if I get permission to put something on top of my apartment building (which is where I assume a node would go). Can someone explain what I would need?

[daring moth]

Most of us have been discussing the use of Meshtastic in and around NYC in the https://nyme.sh/ Discord server, so please join that for more active discussions.
To answer your question, although rooftop access is very beneficial to the overall mesh, it isn't strictly necessary in a lot of situations. Especially if another rooftop nearby already has a Meshtastic node. All you'd need is a Meshtastic node (and antenna / power source), and depending on the exact one, a separate computer-like device to connect to it. After installing the Meshtastic client app, there's no need for any WiFi/cellular connectivity. The computer-like device connects to the node over USB or Bluetooth.

[inner breach]

i was more asking like
what should i buy for this purpose
there seems to be so many options

[ashen venture]

If you want a set-and-forget with no effort on your part, the atlavox beacon is a nice unit but it's close to $300. If you want a low cost unit, you can build solar units good for rooftops for less than $50

I think that's the general range. rak/rokland have some middle-of-the-road solar builds that are closer to $150

So I guess the question is what is your budget and DIY comfort?

[gloomy sun]

Absolutely under 100 bucks.

Ways to lower solar node cost:
1-Buy bulk items and build multiple solar nodes
2-Sacrifice bells and whistles: smaller battery, affordable antenna, screw cover instead of hinge
3- Don’t get too perfectionist, if you need to use some electrical tape to splice wires, don’t be sad. Do the best you can with the materials at hand.
Cheers yall.

[gloomy sun]

https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/25U42HJ7MF8LN?ref_=wl_share

this will get you pretty close. cheers!

[karmic junco]

Much depends on what you have on the roof. If you have a outlet or a USB power port, just about anything will do. Heat and Humidity is the enemy of most electronics.
If running or considering solar, units that are low power consumption are preferred, unless you can over provision power and storage.

Weather proofing is important. I just lost an outdoor panel , not sure what yet. Won't power on anymore.

[karmic junco]

Wow

That's a lot of nodes.

I actually received messages from people. That's amazing. At home

A lot of unrecognized nodes

[karmic junco]

anyone e347

[karmic junco]

https://nyme.sh/

[jaunty harness]

before restarting meshtasticd for update

after 😭

[tidal ferry]

So, anyone doing regular meetups on the mesh, something like a net like us HAMs used to have?

[karmic junco]

It's a good idea, but not necessary

If you consider; traditional ham net are due to the fact that once a message is sent, unless you were there to hear it, it is gone.

In Meshtastic, much like txt message, it is fully capable of storing your message until a later point in time.

[fervent nebula]

I think a regular net is actually a cool idea. The majority of the traffic on the mesh seems to be "test" and "ping" type messages, organizing a regular chat instead would give folks a reason to actually USE it and at the same time tests/displays the actual reliability and usability (or lack thereof)

[tidal ferry]

I more suggesting designated time for activity. It’s really hit and miss right now.

[celest brook]

you can come try to convert and recruit people for a net here tomorrow!

https://withfriends.events/event/FY0hJkjZ/film-screening-pump-up-the-volume-1990-diy-radio-meetup/

[karmic junco]

Gotta be able to get messages first. Lol

[reef sundial]

Does this include Brooklyn?

[dull wave]

Yes

You can join the NY Mesh's dc too. Link can be found at https://nyme.sh

[jaunty harness]

AMR3 putting in some work

[midnight mural]

Oh?

[jaunty harness]

yeah, i keep getting 🦊 -> 🦘-> AMR3 -> (dest, or 1 hop then dest) traceroutes. it's up at Electchester

[ashen venture]

I've been seeing traffic from Central Park and Astoria over the last few days. Also looked like someone from Astoria ack'd a message from Denning, NY the other day

[misty gorge]

There seem to be a lot of nodes in the astoria area now.

[jaunty harness]

or just more with position enabled - always hard to say because so many nodes run w/o position

[misty gorge]

Could someone explain this to me. I reset my nodedb yesterday on my R1 and already it's telling me 119 online out of 253??

[ashen venture]

I've been able to rx more from Astoria than normal, but it could just be a fluke. Or maybe a new node further north

[mortal wind]

I’m online in midtown currently.

[ashen venture]

The mesh is growing.

[misty gorge]

crazy compared to like last year.. geez.

[ashen venture]

I'm at 70/729, which is nuts. Usually I hover around 50 in hudson valley but this weekend it was hovering around 100, probably due to some ducting

[misty gorge]

So much has changed in the last year.. But my old friend Harlem Relay just popped up on my list..haha

[mortal wind]

thinking about getting filters for all of my nodes, might help focus the transmissions better.

bandpass filters should improve reception, right?

aww, that means the signal is quieter and that sucks.

[jaunty harness]

yeah its def a location dependant thing for how much you get out of the filter, and then it's a balance of "am I TX/RXing better even with the lose?" cause for me it's always better with a cell tower 1/4 block away AND especially on the E22-900M30S 1W which has RX sensitivity issues. even losing 5dB from the GPIO Labs filter I still basically doubled by "active" node count, which is also what started me down the making my own filters path

[misty gorge]

I wish I could have done some testing before deploying the GPIO filter.

It would have been nice to see some before and after numbers.. but I'm sure most nodes put in remote locations don't have the luxury of a lot of testing.

[jaunty harness]

best laid plans and all that

[misty gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/everybody-has-a-plan-until-they-get-punched-in-the-mouth-mike-tyson-fight-back-be-ready-to-fight-gif-17750863

[jaunty harness]

AMR Admin eh?

[misty gorge]

That's my OG Haltec. I'm trying to be cool and do mesh stuff from a computer like you cool peeps.

[jaunty harness]

https://tenor.com/2Zhs.gif

you're already cool, now - you're even cooler 😎

[misty gorge]

Anyone else having problems with Android 2.7.1?

was doing all kinds of crazy stuff with laggy node db and other weird stuff. laggy messaging.

Downloaded 2.7.2 and it seems better. so if anyone has issues with their android, maybe check for updates today.

[jaunty harness]

only been using iOS/macOS which is much nicer since AllAboutJake added TCP and Serial support, I don't pay too much attention to the Android release but updating to "latest" usually fixes things though usually that's getting a version from GitHub from Obtanium vs Play Store version (not sure which one is in F-Droid)

[misty gorge]

Yeah.. looks like all the ios and macos software is better for meshtastic.

I'm a windows and android person.. so yea.. I'm poor.

[jaunty harness]

there's still meshtastic python-cli though windows + python... I'd just go for WSL personally instead of shitting up my install with random fragile shenanigans for python

also MeshSense if you're using network to the Heltec, just disable the Auto TraceRoute or make it more sane value like one/day</brokenrecord>

[misty gorge]

agggh.. I was playing with the CLI..as much as I want to play around like I'm a hacker.. I think a polished app is more my speed. I'm no stranger to using CLI to setup servers and apps.. but living in the CLI is too much.

[jaunty harness]

discretely hides his Discord TUI

heh I do actually have it installed on my cloud VM but it's not as nice as desktop/mobile app, but I have also lived in a shell for decades

[misty gorge]

da hell? I'm talking to you in a MacOS terminal window?

hahhaa

[jaunty harness]

https://github.com/ayn2op/discordo

[misty gorge]

Oh cloud terminal still.

okay.. fuck........

[jaunty harness]

you're right though: macOS terminal -> remote* linux shell

[misty gorge]

that's kinda cool.

I tried using ALPINE for terminal mail for a while.

it was novel.. but I went back to GUI pretty quicky.. hhaa

time to spin up a linux VM to run my Discord TUI.

[jaunty harness]

oh god, Alpine is great for small/efficient containers that lack glibc vulns but not the first (or second or third) choice for a desktop

[misty gorge]

or does a docker container exist or something? HAHA

[jaunty harness]

not that I found on dockerhub, shouldn't be anything too crazy to make one though

[misty gorge]

No no.. I'm not going down this rabbit hole. hhaa

[jaunty harness]

FROM debian:trixie (stuff like apt install git) clone repo + build

maybe after work i'll give it a go, it's way more straight forward than the npm shenanigans I have to deal with on the daily 😄

[misty gorge]

a good terminal app is really nice though. hehe.

I tried to live in *nix for a while. bought a old thinkpad.. threw Mint on it. I mean its fine... But my windows boxes just work.

[jaunty harness]

yeah I've had mac for personal/work, linux and a wintendo forever - heck my old hackintosh can boot all 3 (cause it was ONLY machine beside work laptop I had while in cali for a bit)

now there's linux boxes all over the apt (mostly raspis, but also VMs running on a 2012 mac mini in ESXi) and wintendo is only really for games that don't have a mac port or FPS actually matters

[misty gorge]

how does discordo deal with pics and links etc.

I run linux vms for home services and pis and cloud linux devices for radio stuff.

the linux stuff just keeps chugging along and running. never have to worry about it.

[jaunty harness]

just spits out the URL instead of attempting to preview it (which is arguably better)

[misty gorge]

I guess it's faster and less resource intensive.

[jaunty harness]

Yeah, also no chance of coming back and finding something offensive on screen

Or at least not an offensive rendered image

[misty gorge]

That's part of the fun.

[jaunty harness]

should really have something to add non-root user and USER line so discordo isn't running under root, I leave that as exercise for the reader 😉

FROM debian:trixie

ARG DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive

RUN apt-get update && \
    apt-get upgrade -y && \
    apt-get install -y --no-install-recommends \
        ca-certificates \
        curl \
        git \
        unzip && \
    curl -fsSL "https://nightly.link/ayn2op/discordo/workflows/ci/main/discordo_Linux_X64.zip" -o /tmp/discordo.zip && \
    cd /tmp && \
    unzip discordo.zip && \
    cp -a /tmp/discordo /usr/local/bin/discordo && \
    chmod +x /usr/local/bin/discordo

CMD ["/usr/local/bin/discordo"]

(could also pin apt pkg versions but then i'd also have to worry about maintaining those)

[misty gorge]

SIGH.. you're gonna make it easy too??? fuuuuuuck..... I'm gonna pin this in my head.

It's like going in to a library and someone offers you crack cocaine.

[jaunty harness]

HAHA - except you brought it up 8)

[ashen venture]

yeah it was extremely laggy this weekend

[misty gorge]

Okay, so it wasn't just me. It was getting screwed up switching between nodes over BT also.

[ashen venture]

I thought it was either a bug or a bug plus extra traffic. Someone had a node up on a hilltop somewhere for the day and I was seeing a bunch of extra traffic and thought that was the cause. A bug makes more sense

[misty gorge]

its behaving as expected after installing the latest version from the app store.

I too thought the mesh was broken or I had too many nodes and my node device was messed up.

[midnight mural]

I’m 10 months in and it’s an amazing difference

[midnight mural]

Love me some TUI action

Also, I use Arch, BTW

🤣😂🤣🤣😂🤣

[misty gorge]

Elitist...

Coverage in Sunnyside is lacking.

[midnight mural]

I really just wanted hyprland and to rice out my desktop with a tiling window manager. Found a great YouTuber, and boom, here I am.

Been running Ubuntu and Debian for 15+ years. Still earning new stuff

[misty gorge]

Yea the fancy window managers are nice. I dipped my toe into the new Gnome on Fedora and really.. I'm a Cinnamon basic bitch.

I just want to boot up and everything to work.

I saw some girl on YouTube that uses dmenu? Basically types everything into her gui. Haha

[midnight mural]

I love that Linux is by the people, for the people. It’s what “we” want and here it is

[misty gorge]

Yea it's nice being able to customize. Windows is terrible with its snooping

But i am honest. So I can't say its actually a bad product these days. It just works.

The privacy issues are separate from functionality.

[ashen venture]

i take it you don't have kids then 😛

At some point I stopped having time to fix my computer so I installed kubuntu and stopped caring

although snaps are really annoying me so I'll probably switch to pure debian with kde on my next wipe

[midnight mural]

Nope, thats why I’m in the mountains and traveling all the time for work. No time for kiddos.

[misty gorge]

I just want things to work. The continually moving target with meshtastic firmware is the same pain point for me like keeping up with the latest Linux distros and desktops.

[midnight mural]

Except this is far worse, but I get the sentiment. I don’t think the Meshtastic iOS app update made anything much better than yesterday, but I’m happy it got updates

Ok, not far worse. It’s just early days and it’s been booming in popularity

[misty gorge]

I just was a solid base. Forget the bells and whistles

The fancy UIs and stuff. Just want a solid base that works well.

But I do understand some people like pretty apps and bells and whistles.

Just not me.

[midnight mural]

Hear hear!

[fervent nebula]

I think it's getting more solid, we are just too early

[midnight mural]

Probably. And just think about all we’ve learned

[misty gorge]

I have a friend with a node testing out in the garden city area. Let me know if anyone gets a RFI9 node in their node lists. Thanks!

[ashen venture]

I'm glad meshtastic has an active development community. I'm sad I have to hike up a mountain to do my updates

[karmic junco]

@misty gorge I'll take a look on my next costco run

[karmic junco]

Well.. you dont have to just depends on how crazy you want to do it

[misty gorge]

Yeah.. updating a node is totally not required.. You an totally just leave a node on the air with 2 year old firmware.

[jaunty harness]

…until they release 3.0 and change the sync word back to default and your old fw node no longer can talk to anything running 3.0

[misty gorge]

So I should wait to update AMR2? haha

But seriously.. I'd be pretty demoralized if I went and updated AMR2 and needed to go update it again.

[jaunty harness]

3.0 is coming... eventually - if i had to guesstimate (which would be 100% me pulling a date out of my ass) sometime next spring at least

[midnight mural]

I hike up mountains all the time, where is it, I’ll go update it @ashen venture

Well, message me if you want some help 🙂

[ashen venture]

I want to update the antenna on one and a few are access controlled, but I'll keep that in mind. I appreciate the offer!

[cyan drum]

Ill race you

Last one to the top is a stale node

[midnight mural]

I’m really serious if you are 🙂

it’s not a biggie, especially for the mesh 🙂

[median gate]

It’s worth updating now because it’s breaking hop counts, and hogging airtime with the old excess nodeinfo exchanges

[misty gorge]

Yea I know. Waiting on a few parts.

[median gate]

For firmware upgrade?

[misty gorge]

Nah gonna replace the whole node.

It's easier than doing a firmware update.

[median gate]

That’s…odd? Is the node welded shut or something?

[misty gorge]

I need to unmount it to plug something in. Might as well replace it at that point.

[ashen venture]

Yeah the harbor breeze builds are not easy to update if OTA doesn't work

[misty gorge]

Swap is so much easier. More costly for sure though.

[flat sequoia]

Hey everyone! in the Rockland area looking to mesh up with Long Island and upper Hudson!

just got my first radio and having issue flashing to the newer version

trying to use the web flasher but it wont connect (even though it connect if i click open serial monitor

[median gate]

Hi, welcome! Check out nyme.sh and https://discord.nyme.sh, lots of NY area activity there

[karmic junco]

Don't trigger me! I'm waiting for it!!

[karmic junco]

Which one did you get?

[flat sequoia]

I got a rak?

Saw i pinged someone yesterday

Hoping I see more people today as I run errands

[gloomy sun]

@misty gorge where u been at!? Fearless leader!!

[misty gorge]

Leader? No no. I'm around. I see your nodes all over the place now. Though one seems to be dying.

[gloomy sun]

JLX5 is having power issues

[misty gorge]

Solar panel failure?

[gloomy sun]

I think its the battery

Im going to swap it out tomorrow

[misty gorge]

Cool. You've deployed so many nodes. How do you decide where you're putting them?

[gloomy sun]

I had some time off of work so I started studying Queens topography in the field. I used public spaces and I got access to some roof tops. The process was deploy and test service boundaries.

I think im done but still have parts coming 😝

I used my bike to stop and certain crosswalks and see if i got acks or could TR nearby nodes

[misty gorge]

Well good job!

[gloomy sun]

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-thanks-dog-happy-gif-22660096

[misty gorge]

Woman killed in Brooklyn by flying solar panel

Hope it wasn't a mesher. Hahha

Anyone missing a solar powered Brooklyn node?

Taken out by a soshine panel. 🙁

[proven grove]

Whyyyy do people run rangetest on LongFast default channel?

[ashen venture]

i didn't know what that was but I guess 7-foot panel indicates it was not a mesh panel: https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/winds-knocked-down-7-foot-solar-panel-that-killed-woman-in-brooklyn-inspectors-rule/ar-AA1Oop48

[misty gorge]

Yea I was kidding

[misty gorge]

Could be inconsiderate people.. or just people that don't understand how sense the meshtastic population in NYC is now. People get into something and think they are the only ones around.

[proven grove]

I feel like this person just left their heltec at home on range test and left for the day....

[misty gorge]

Inconsiderate and probably doesn't completely understand what the hell they are doing

[twin root]

Aight now that I'm back from burning man and travelling etc I HAVE to get my roof node fixed before the winter, just booted my node up and holy hell, so many more routes than before.

[misty gorge]

Landscape looks way different than a year ago.

[median gate]

Ugh that sucks https://gothamist.com/news/woman-76-killed-by-solar-panel-in-brooklyn-was-out-on-grocery-run-her-husband-says

Mesh hardware is unlikely to be as hazardous, but a good reminder to properly secure it nonetheless

[jaunty harness]

i'd say 6months, let alone 12 - open sauce/defcon/wired article really brought in a huge swathe of new nodes/people, and those also brought in more nodes/people

also: JaimeLoopz 😄

[gloomy sun]

Thanks Pork!!! Im honored. This summer has been a blast noding all around Queens. This city is really amazing if you think about it.

I hope Long Island can connect soon. Im thinking Bayside is my next target for expansion.

[reef sundial]

I threw up a node in Greenpoint yesterday and got confirmations from Astoria and lower east side, kind of crazy how well the mesh is

[gloomy sun]

The mesh is meshing! 🙌

[reef sundial]

What?

Any channels that anyone is running you can join?

[proven grove]

No, they were doing it over the default channel that if youre using the longfast preset, you're automatically in.

[reef sundial]

What’s wrong with that?

Essentially using it for what it’s for. Communicating

[median gate]

Range Test spams the channel with messages every 30s and inhibits communication. It’s better to do it on a private channel so it doesn’t interfere.

[proven grove]

If it was someone manually sending out pings to see who they hear back from, that's completely fine. We all do that. Running an automated range test just creates noise and congests the channel.

I think of it like someone playing baby shark over a speaker aimed outside their window, then them going out for the day but leaving it on, so only the people in the vicinity of the house have to hear it playing over and over and over.

(FWIW My son is obsessed with that song right now so the thought of listening to it even more than I already do makes waterboarding sound like a vacation)

[proven grove]

I'm pretty sure @gloomy sun did what no one else has been able to do reliably: bridged Westchester and the boroughs.

We still have a ways to go to actually run reliable TR's, but my home nodes can hear everyone paging @midnight mural so I'd call that progress

[midnight mural]

If I take my nodes a few blocks closer to the east river in Manhattan, I’m pretty well connected. At home is still a struggle, one day I’ll have a solid connection to a neighbor to blast me everywhere 😎

[reef sundial]

Makes sense

[reef sundial]

How do you bridge

[proven grove]

Place a permanent node where two meshes can both reach it.

[gloomy sun]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-temptation-island-emotional-tears-sad-face-gif-20101717

Too high of praise. Let me go build more nodes.

[ashen venture]

I can see that traffic too. I wonder if a node on bear mountain would help

[midnight mural]

I go to Harriman often, haven’t made it to Bear Mtn just yet, I’ve been more west where I can see the Catskills

[jaunty harness]

more a question not of "if" but "how much" 😉

[ashen venture]

It could also just crush the upstate meshes from all the nodeinfos xD

who is dd74? Saw your traffic about d63d being PDD; I can traceroute to you at 2 hops via Bull Hill (Cold Spring)

[misty gorge]

Can you still drive up to the top of bear mt? I know they close the road sometimes.

[ashen venture]

Yeah usually

[midnight mural]

I don’t know, I guess I need to find out. I’ve only sectioned hiked through there at night on the AT. I know there are roads there, that’s about it.

I’ll stick it on my list of things to do

[misty gorge]

Yea there is a road that goes right to the top. Might be the most efficient way to deploy instead of hiking it.

Perkins Memorial Drive

[proven grove]

In a matter of "anything is better than nothing", I'd say a lot.

[proven grove]

That'd be me. Well, my mobile node.

[midnight mural]

I backpack there all the time, must not Bear Mtn. I’ll make my way over there and see what’s up

[misty gorge]

I've hike up bear a few times, ridden my bike up a few times, and driven up a few times. Honestly the surrounding peaks may be a better bet for node install cuz the top of bear is always busy.

[midnight mural]

That’s why I was in the western part of the park, but I don’t seem to be able to hit Manhattan even though I have a visual

[misty gorge]

I just tooked at topo map. Top of bear seems to be most optimal.

[misty gorge]

Welp looks like AMR2 died. Might be better for the mesh anyway.

[ashen venture]

Yeah I've been scouting topo in that area and bear is the best spot. There are some trails away from all the people who drive up but it's still a very busy spot.

Anthony's Nose (hilltop across the bridge) is also a decent spot, but maybe for a CLIENT or RL to cover the local area. You drop off the mesh once you lose LOS of Bull Hill in Cold Spring.

Anthony's Nose is 900ft or so IIRC

[jaunty harness]

Pouring one out for the dead homey

[misty gorge]

Oh well. The mesh around me is much better now. Maybe AMR2 doesn't even need to be revived

I left it running because it was still passing packets. So maybe it was doing a little bit more good than harm. But we have so many nodes out there.

[median gate]

I think the second harbor breeze node I’ve heard of failing after the nor’easter. Guess those little lights are not built for gales

[misty gorge]

AMR2 went up Feb 2024. So it lived a year an a half.

Wonder what the average lifespan of an outdoor roof node is.

[ashen venture]

I have had one die on me so far but it was in a heavy storm this summer. It was a rooftop node

[misty gorge]

Cause of death? AMR2 seemed to be doing well during the storm. Humidty readings were stable so the case didn't fail.

AMR1 had a failed solar panel a few months ago.. that one went up almost a year earlier than AMR2.

[ashen venture]

I haven't recovered it yet 😅 I can see it though. I have to request access to get on there and haven't gotten around to it. The node isn't really necessary. It was my first build

[misty gorge]

I'm not worried about AMR2 either. The hardware is still there, but it's dead. That used to be my only way to really get out, but with so many more nodes in good spots lately, I'm not sweating it.

lets see who recovers their broken node first @ashen venture . 🙂

Can't we just open an app and order a new node install by @gloomy sun anyway?

[gloomy sun]

That would be neat.

JaimeLoopz node deployment center

[fervent nebula]

order a pizza with a side of mesh

[misty gorge]

yea pizza would def come with the node install.

[jaunty harness]

jaime delivers the node, pizza delivers the pizza

[gloomy sun]

Pepperoni is my favorite but it gives me a lil heartburn. ❤️‍🔥 🍕 🪦

I would love an NYMesh sweater please

[zenith hearth]

What's the plan, sell them to fund more nodes to expand the mesh? If so I'd gladly buy one.

[midnight mural]

Ugly sweater or nice sweater?

I really need another black hoodie. I was looking in my closet the other day, and it’s full of them, but I could use another

[gloomy sun]

NYMesh haberdasher

[karmic junco]

Is that your standard garb?

Uniform of the day?

[jaunty harness]

standard (though today's hoodie is a dark blue)

[gloomy sun]

We are def making sweaters 😂

[maiden thistle]

Doggo sweaters too?

[dusty vault]

whatsup meshers

[misty gorge]

Do you sell heroin over the mesh?

[dusty vault]

nah but i can

[misty gorge]

That would be an interesting use of the technology.

but wait.. if you're a cop, you have to tell us right @dusty vault ...

[gloomy sun]

https://tenor.com/view/ron-burgundy-escalated-quickly-gif-9744555

[median gate]

https://tenor.com/view/bold-strategy-dodgeball-cotton-strategy-tactics-gif-4957668

Drug dealer walking around with an RF beacon

[dusty vault]

lol not even close

[dusty vault]

it's worked for a decade so if it's not broken im not gona fix it

[dusty vault]

to alex ^^

[midnight mural]

Yeah, standard issue black hoodie and black jeans 😎

[misty gorge]

Is everyone seeing high channel utilization?

[jaunty harness]

not at the moment but def varies and !cb0f46a6 is still out there spamming multiple times/minute non-stop, and only cfg'd with a private channel

currently what i see... FR2 is always insanely high, not sure how they get anything out honestly - rest is 24% (top) - 21% (bottom)

[misty gorge]

Was in the 30s earlier

Does a node need to be in the node list of a node in order to be ignored?

Can I just use the CLI to place !cb0 in ignore on the node I'm putting up thursday?

[jaunty harness]

cli is --set-ignored-node which I think adds to your nodeDB since "ignored" is anti-favorite

other way with cli would be --set lora.ignore_incoming to add to the ignore array and skip the nodeDB

[misty gorge]

yea.. just not sure the CLI is as up to date as the firmwares these days.

[misty gorge]

Which is more effective?

[jaunty harness]

🤷

i did both on my window node and it's still showing up in MeshSense

[misty gorge]

So what you're saying is that it doens't work.

hahhaa

That's what I was afraid of.

[jaunty harness]

heh more I think Meshsense still reports it

i'd have to check some of the other nodes for when they last heard it since window would be relaying, but right now i got food to inhale

[misty gorge]

Do we know if the lora ignore is still valid? I guess that would maybe stick better even if the nodedb blows up or something.

[misty gorge]

do I need to use the number instead of the ! namefor the lora ignore?

[jaunty harness]

I like to think they go hand-in-hand: ignore_incoming survives nodeDB reset since it's in cfg / --set-ignored survives something getting wacked with cfg and not a full wipe to reset nodedb.

[misty gorge]

so should def do both.

[jaunty harness]

think it's --set lora.ignore_incoming '!cb0f46a6'

[misty gorge]

nah..its complaining that I gave it a string.

[jaunty harness]

OH also set your rebroadcast mode to CORE_PORT_NUMBERS that should also help cut down on rebroadcasting like ATAK

[misty gorge]

onnected to radio
Adding '!cb0f46a6' to the ignore_incoming list
Aborting due to: 'str' object cannot be interpreted as an integer

[misty gorge]

just set core portnums only on new node.

Connected to radio
Adding '3406775974' to the ignore_incoming list
Writing modified preferences to device
Writing lora configuration to device

yup..need the number for the lora ignore.

any other bad actors I should add?

[jaunty harness]

think that's the only really obnioxus one at the moment

[agile forge]

Sometimes I do 60 second positions when walking around to my private channel. I wish I could say I reduce hops but... I don't. Then again, I don't do it too often.

[misty gorge]

Looks like CORE_PORT_NUMBERS doesn't forward remote admin packets?

[gloomy sun]

Astoria to Bayside via Bronx! 🙌

https://malla.nyme.sh/packet/1079914

[jaunty harness]

It did last time I checked

OH! And lora.ok_to_mqtt true so show up in Malla and can see how it’s interacting with rest of the mesh

[misty gorge]

That's already set.

[misty gorge]

The flood routing is so crazy.

[misty gorge]

I think I'm going to leave the reboardcast to all. I want remote admin to work for everyone. I have a hard enough time with it myself.

[jaunty harness]

It doesn’t filter remote admin out though?

[misty gorge]

Oh I thought you said it did

So I put AMR1 in core last night

And I could not pass commands or anything to my other node.

I thought I had crashed the remote node with admin commands. Flipped AMR1 back to all and everything was back.

I think core accepts remote admin

But won't pass them.

[jaunty harness]

https://github.com/meshtastic/firmware/blob/15ee1c2819340da759d0dbb11ce302804004d707/src/mesh/Router.cpp#L719-L728

I'm reading that as anything that's NOT a decodable port, text message, compressed text message, position, nodeinfo, routing, telemetry, admin, alert, key verification, waypoint, s&f or traceroute gets dropped

[misty gorge]

Does remote admin send packets via the node's primary channel?

meaning if my admin nodes didn't have longfast as the primary channel, and there was a CORE ONLY node relaying, my packets would get dropped?

[jaunty harness]

hrmmm, not sure what channel they're sent on, or if they're even sent on a channel for that matter. it's not the "old" / "legacy" admin where you needed a private channel to match on both sides - think it's more like a special DM that does usual key verification + lookup privkey against security.adminkeys and if match change the cfg as instructed

[brazen spear]

Finally got the build day on the docket! Mark your calendars for November 8th

https://www.eventbrite.com/e/meshtastic-solar-node-build-day-tickets-1900614451989?aff=oddtdtcreator

[misty gorge]

Prioritize people who don't live in queens or brooklyn.. hahah.

[reef sundial]

Why isn’t there an nyc Channel where people activity chat on? Vs discord? Isn’t the whole point of the mesh to communicate? lol

[median gate]

The public default channel is inherently the NYC channel for folks in the NYC area. Pretty lively right now in fact

[misty gorge]

Discord works better....

[reef sundial]

What’s the general opinion of meshtastic vs meshcore

[median gate]

I’ll let you know when I have a successful exchange over MeshCore around here

[reef sundial]

True

[jaunty harness]

the running joke is Discord is where talk about how we're not talking on the mesh (discretely side eyes ZuMBLe)

[agile forge]

Yeah, we should definitely be using the alternate settings. SF11/BW250. Not that we two could 0-hop but it would certainly be a lot easier...although at some point there's going to be a "move to a new frequency cost." But that probably costs less than never having a network in the first place.

[misty gorge]

I don't think anyone can deny this works better. It doesn't mean meshtastic isn't cool. Meshtastic just isnt practical for sharing information like discord is. I like radios, and fast cars. Internet works better than radio to keep in touch with my friends and family.. I don't drive my car at 150 mph. That doesn't mean building the car is less fun.

[agile forge]

It's a toy... it's very stochastic. Developers of MT think that "infrastructure isn't mesh" while rolling out CLIENT_BASE which is... exactly what a person on MC would do. Put a rooftop node, and run on it with their companion nodes along with all the other rooftop nodes to...have a mesh that works better

And the idea behind routers on MT is that they're evil and (actually) can destroy communications, but MC operates where everybody can run their own router (called repeater). And instead of having ROUTER and ROUTER_LATE, MC has a txdelay, where a MC repeater with a good vantage point can delay transmissions to let lesser repeaters get their word in first.

[misty gorge]

The whole thing is kind of a mess.. but it also works.. and its "cheap" and easy to get in to the game.

[reef sundial]

Which gives me the question. If I’m running a dedicated node what device role should it be? What would be best for the meshtastic network?

[agile forge]

If you're not sure, CLIENT is a good bet. CLIENT_MUTE would be good if you're in a bad spot where you have better nodes nearby but retransmitting yourself wouldn't help others much.

[reef sundial]

Well I have a small mode in client. Want to add an always powered on node

[misty gorge]

I havent played with meshcore, but some light reading about it makes it look like it's more reliable with established infrastructure, but the charm of meshtastic is it's very dynamic. Though the dynamic nature also makes it unreliable sometimes and frustrating.

[agile forge]

I once balked at "infrastructure"

[misty gorge]

I think infrastructure nodes are the only way to have any sort of repeatable reliability in a place in NYC.

[reef sundial]

But also there are hardly any meshcore infrastructure in nyc which makes it useless compared to meshtastic

[misty gorge]

Yeah. I suppose if meshcore was really the way to go, many of the infrastructure guys would switch over. but I think it would need to take off nationwide.

[reef sundial]

I only see three main routers in the nyc area for meshcore and hardly any clients lol

[agile forge]

It doesn't take long to change...someone single handed lit up Queens with over a dozen nodes in a month

[median gate]

Make small node client mute and the always-on node in a higher location client

That’s a very common pattern, you could also consider client_base for the always on node

[median gate]

btw we’ve been chatting NYC meshcore a bit here if you’re curious about the current consensus on it https://discord.com/channels/1395794339329998970/1410716350107750610

[reef sundial]

Hoping maybe meshtastic can make improvements over reliability since it’s so widely adopted

[misty gorge]

This would be ideal. Maybe the solution would be to come out with specific firmware to be used by infrastructure nodes.

[reef sundial]

There is a rumored update for MQTT for 3.0

[misty gorge]

Any problems with putting an "infrastructure" node in CLIENT_BASE mode?

[median gate]

Nope, good idea in fact

If it has other infra nodes as favorites those become frictionless links

With the new hop limit treatment

[misty gorge]

But would it only favor telemetry etc? Stuff that originates from the other infra nodes? or any packet that passes through them?

[median gate]

Any packet that passes through

Uses the relay byte

[misty gorge]

this is good info.

[median gate]

Actually it specifically won’t work for any packets those nodes originate

Since it only applies after the first hop

[misty gorge]

but if INFRA 1 and INFRA 2 are both in Client_Base, and INFRA_1 sends out a telemetry packet, INFRA_2 would route that packet right?

assuming they favorite each other.

[median gate]

Yes it will immediately relay it in the router window, but not with preserved hop limit

[misty gorge]

could suck unless we turned off telemetry on the infra nodes then.. its something to think about.

[median gate]

Good thing latest firmware turns off telemetry by default

[misty gorge]

maybe pick key infra nodes and have them favorite.

[median gate]

Telem is background priority though anyway

[misty gorge]

Yeah, but its nice to know your remote node is alive.

gotta do some work on a node tonight.. gonna come back up in CLIENT_BASE and FW 2.7.13

well.. assuming there isn't catestrophic damage to the node.. but we are bringing up extra parts.

[jaunty harness]

set the favorites and add admin keys, then set CLIENT_BASE and worst case you spam remote admin until it actually flips off CLIENT_BASE to CLIENT

[misty gorge]

Yup that's what I'm going to do. I think I can spam remote admin to add favorites later also?

[jaunty harness]

yeah, especially if/when they cut a new release for python cli with kumiroko's patch (fix for timeouts)

[misty gorge]

oh man that would be great!

[ashen venture]

I was wondering about that; wasn't sure what all CLIENT_BASE does.

[ashen venture]

is this documented anywhere?

[median gate]

Only in the release notes and original PR so far but now that it’s a proper release hopefully the regular docs soon

https://github.com/meshtastic/firmware/pull/7992

[ashen venture]

Ah, I had looked at the original issue and the updated docs but not the PR.

it looks like this works for ROUTER* now too? So any ROUTER* that favorites another ROUTER* will preserve hop counts.
https://github.com/meshtastic/firmware/pull/7992/files#diff-fb9b4a4da3229ad0f8213d3e55e97cb8068e71ba0225002aa050cf06788f6b8aR72

[median gate]

Yup

[ashen venture]

Good motivation to finally update my hilltop nodes

[median gate]

Yeah it should be great for a backbone like that

[hoary plover]

There is this one too.. that works in conjunction with the above..
https://github.com/meshtastic/firmware/pull/5534

I'll try to get a blog post together and see if there is documentation that needs updating.

[median gate]

Yeah that is a neat one too, mainly for router lates since router and client base will have already relayed

[hoary plover]

Yup.. although I do see it sometimes on my router as well.

[median gate]

hmm I should add that to this simulator actually, doesn't require a favorite construct and should be easy to include https://k2xap.radio/meshtastic/managed-flooding

we don't have any routers around here so we won't have seen it at all yet

[median gate]

done, though I don't think the current layout really leads to this happening

also added receipt counts

[jaunty harness]

Brooklyn Solar Node / BSN ROUTER_CLIENT went up Jan 2025 during 2.5.x firmware, and not running licensed mode but has no pubkey so definitely <2.5.x and never updated, the other ROUTER_CLIENT opo30 went up within days of that and same situation but actually switched to CLIENT leaving just the other ROUTER_CLIENT in Jersey but it's on newer fw so it's cosmetically a ROUTER but using normal CLIENT utilization/re-tx timings

[median gate]

ICYMI there's a ROUTER here now, it's got a phenomenal position, basically the closest thing we have to a mountaintop around here. Seems like a big improvement, the NYC-area mesh is really cooking even on the LongFast defaults.

[haughty drum]

Where's the router? Started picking up a bunch of NYC traffic and nodes yeaterday up here in north jersey

[median gate]

Midtown rooftop, ~750 ft AGL https://malla.nyme.sh/node/1213356233

[maiden thistle]

2 hops to Bay Ridge

[ashen venture]

Ah that explains all of the chatter from the city I've been seeing all day

[gloomy sun]

💯

[haughty drum]

That is a good looking node..... it has gotten quite a bit of chatter, you guys got it up the same day I got one up. Curious if it sees Forest-Edge Bearfort (FEr8)

[gloomy sun]

let us know if you got any connectivity!!

[haughty drum]

Yeah, we are getting a bunch of messages from the city, here in north jersey dmr some are making it to the Catskill. It seems to be all 1 way

[median gate]

Not surprising, so many packets down here that even if the signal is strong enough it won’t have clean airtime

[toxic warren]

Making my 6 month check-in here. Has there been any improvement in NYC for direct messages? Last I tried it was nearly impossible to consistently send a DM to another node over the mesh.

Have firmware updates improved this at all?

[median gate]

Some of the updates have likely helped, but we also have a bunch of new nodes in the area. DMs and public messages are much improved

Not 100% DM success yet but folks are discussing a preset move that should help, and broader infrastructure improvements

See also https://discord.nyme.sh

and ICYMI #1202833898376138752 message

[toxic warren]

Thanks @median gate If I remember correctly one of the theorized culprits was too man nodes in Router mode. There was talk about changing the area to different frequency (offset?) than default. Am I on the right track here?

Also I'm about to update my only remaining node in NYC a Rak WisBlock. Can you recommend which firmware version I should try?

[median gate]

Yes we experimented with that over the summer, mixed results. The density has tripled now so it will be more feasible, and some are actively testing MediumSlow. But we’ve also learned a lot from successful large meshes, how to actually use routers, the need for bandpass filters, and so on. We’re probably the biggest mesh still on the default radio settings.

[median gate]

Latest 2.7.15 seems pretty solid

We’ve also had a couple meetups! And potentially another one in January at Resistor again.

[toxic warren]

Ok good to know. Funny, I'm actually dusting off my node because there's a little instructional session at the Resistor tonight about Meshtastic.

Will you be attending?

[median gate]

No, I didn’t know about it haha

But good time to get back into it. Check out this message going from Sandy Hook NJ to Poughkeepsie https://meshview.nyme.sh/packet/1037712947

(There’s a bunch of mountain nodes in between that don’t show on this map)

If you get the node running now you might even catch the noonday cannon

[vale lantern]

Yonkers! I haven't been able to connect with more people.

[gloomy sun]

Hey! Come over to the NYME.SH discord.

https://discord.gg/5M8UPPRZ

[median gate]

Hi all, in case you aren’t in the NYMe.sh discord, and missed the messages on the air, some of us are doing a test of MediumSlow for 24 hours starting at 13:00 local today. (Feel free to switch sooner but some of the infra nodes are waiting til then.) https://nyme.sh/preset_testing.html

There’s a good handful on MediumSlow already

[fast spruce]

Any one know the absolute cheapest Meshtastic build

Solar powered

I have to deploy 100 donation boxes to a bunch of places

I wanna stuff nodes in all of them

[misty gorge]

what do you consider an acceptable amount per node?

[fast spruce]

Under 10$ lol

[misty gorge]

Damn I don't see how thats possible. Haha

[median gate]

That won’t even get you the Seeed Xaio Wio nRF kit, which is probably the lowest cost node hardware ($13.49 last I got some at Digikey) but won't include a battery.

[median gate]

a harbor breeze solar light build using the seeed xaio wio is probably the cheapest solar node, looking at about $30 all together

[woven trellis]

I wonder if putting a solar node in multiple little library boxes is an option

[gloomy sun]

as long as it gets plenty of sun and no one breaks them, i say thats awesome!!!

[dawn meadow]

t-echo swr

[karmic junco]

ITs possible just depends on where

[torn marten]

Can I have an updated invite link plz?

Just booted up my RAK4631 for the first time in a while, and flashed the new firmware through the new bluetooth feature on the app (major QOL improvement imo). Unfortunately, i lost all my config settings and nodelist, and now im not finding any nodes! Ive had my unit powered on with its antenna pointing towards the sky for a while, but nada… can anyone help me troubleshoot?

[gloomy sun]

https://discord.gg/VfXHehBzX

[glass dagger]

Is 8ce0 here?

[misty gorge]

yes.

[glass dagger]

I got 2 messages from you in Roslyn, long island!!

[misty gorge]

No.. that's JL.

@gloomy sun

[misty gorge]

The mesh reaches garden city area currently

[glass dagger]

Nice I work in that area, I live about 30 minutes east of here. A year or so ago I was getting nothing around here so it's pretty exciting to see some action especially a message

[gloomy sun]

Awesome!! Thats my Heltec V4 i carry daily.

I live in Corona.

[gloomy sun]

@misty gorge has an awesome node he Co-hosts. ETNA! It just got upgraded so we have lots of new connectivity in recent days.

Sends some stuff back if you can. Hopefully we see you too!

[glass dagger]

I'm in hicksville now and I've reached all the way to Fairlawn, NJ and Middletown township, NJ. This is crazy!!

I received some messages from a Jersey City node but couldn't send any back or get a trace route though

[gloomy sun]

the mesh is doing special things lately! I think Morristown NJ is soon! looking forward to chatting with my buddy @simple jay from my couch in Queens!

[median gate]

Do you know the name or ID?

[glass dagger]

Yes, it's a friend of mine @feeb. I haven't hit you though unfortunately

[glass dagger]

Hopefully we get some more infrastructure out east more. I moved out near Kings Park and I see nothing out here

[median gate]

If we move to a quicker preset too we can cut down on congestion and make it easier for packets to get inbound to the city. There’s not a lot of free airtime on the routers right now and the loud locals dominate it

I can have semi-regular DM exchanges with Garden City, but a lot of the time it’s only one-way

[simple jay]

he's on this discord I think :). I saw @twin root node show up in JC yesterday

[twin root]

👋

Yeah was awesome to get a message out around 37mi as the crow flies.

I had a very powerful, 1W femto node on my roof that unfortunately is not up right now, but will work on rebuilding.

[simple jay]

yeah, i work on 21st floor of somewhere in newport, have a LOS of entire hoboken, and union city or whatever (and of course Manhattan). Too bad I can't keep a node there, its only there when I am there 🙂

have all ready been asked 'what do you use those walkie talkies for?'

[simple jay]

some day! right now, I get a very high percentage of messages from nyme in mtown (especially GCNA), i think its impossible the other way around until airtime issues are mitigated in that area

i am curious to know whats the furthest west that PENN (or nyme in general) can effectively get a packet through

i have def gotton things from newark working, but it appears not reliable (but always get relay confirmations )

south orange up on the parking lot on the mountain I think I got some packets through

[gloomy sun]

This is an interesting question. How far does Penn Service. How would we test that. Let me think

[simple jay]

my guess, is the further the distance, the weaker the signal, and the more time its going to take to make it to penn, with louder packets speaking over the further weaker packets @median gate correct me if i am wrong 🙂

txing is just so much harder than rxing

but then again, wouldn't cycling_man have an issue being so far as well? Or maybe its stronger as its an ocean without any other buildings or hills in the way

[gloomy sun]

Definitely can confirm NYC rf noise is a big part of the problem besides obstructions. Wondering how the waterways affect RF signals.

[jaunty harness]

it's not like the airtime went sky high the moment you started flipping on densely packed routers (except it did)

[misty gorge]

I'd be down to try flipping them back to client for testing.

[jaunty harness]

ETNA is the only consistent direct connection out of all of them, and better than PENN which is < 1/2 the distance

[misty gorge]

and I really really hate the fact that one infra node is tying it all together.

thats not really meshing.

[agile canopy]

Is there a weather channel for the nyc area ?

For mesh ?

[median gate]

Channel name Wx, key WQ==

[dull wave]

Is there a sports score channel avail?

[median gate]

34–32 pistons

[median gate]

ICYMI there is a preset migration underway! Recommended config here and it's critical to follow these settings to maximize the performance of the network: https://nyme.sh/getting-started/

There is some background on the move here https://nyme.sh/preset-testing/#current-preset-test

There will always be an LF20 presence, but the new network is working very well in many spots: coherent conversations, delivery confirmations, snappy acks and remote admin. And importantly, the hops don't matter. 7 is both encouraged and necessary!

There are a bunch more routers now which helps with reliability, but still a major chunk of Brooklyn is uncovered. So it's a work in progress.

[inland hamlet]

commenting to join, hi all

[rare sparrow]

Hello!

[karmic junco]

Hola

[karmic junco]

A beautiful day today

[simple jay]

too warm

[karmic junco]

Tis true. Hate bugs.

[tardy atlas]

New to Meshtastic I live in central Nassau county. Im not connecting to any nodes yet. Any members live in this area?

[daring moth]

Most people from Nassau County, NY use the same Meshtastic configuration as NYC. It's detailed here: https://nyme.sh/getting-started/#meshtastic

[tardy atlas]

@daring moth Thanks

[median gate]

also check out https://discord.nyme.sh where we do more organizing