US - Utah

[obsidian storm]

Yes. Change it over @real cedar

It's been pretty stable

Leave it up though

it's pretty great

[real cedar]

Hmmm weird. It's not giving me public key unauthorized. It's giving me unknown public key? Node Info issue?

@leaden crow if I recall I gave you admin too. I might need to ask you if it doesn't work for a while

[leaden crow]

sure

[real cedar]

Fuck can we try through you?

"Common causes and solutions for "unknown public key" errors in Meshtastic:
Node Information Exchange Failure:
Cause: One node has the other node's information, but the receiving node does not have the sender's public key in its database, preventing the secure exchange needed for DMs.
Solution: Ensure both nodes are within range and have had sufficient time to discover each other and exchange node information, including public keys. This exchange usually happens automatically when nodes interact."

I'll dm u what to change

@leaden crow

😂👌

[prisma saddle]

lol nice.

[leaden crow]

Too bad GPS is only terrestrial. Otherwise I could give it moon coords.

[prisma saddle]

hmmm antarctica? north pole?

[inner jay]

Just set its altitude to 50000ft lol

[umbral ice]

My elevation alerts wouldn’t stop pinging me then!

[spring merlin]

unga bunga, dc801c6, AUR 2.0 are the only nodes i see in direct connects so these must be what I'm nearest. still I can't traceroute any of them

AUR by far the best signal, nothing but failed traceroutes still

[manic fractal]

Yeah, I finally had to put FPR on the altitude ignore list because the bot was constantly telling me its altitude a 1000 times a day.

It gets obnoxious when the stationary nodes trigger the altitude alert.

[prisma saddle]

it shows more nodes than that, you have any filters on ? jump over to our other discord and we can troubleshoot futher. if you would like. or can help here. https://discord.gg/J4KJkYER

[inner jay]

Don't put too much faith in traceroutes. They often fail on the best hardware

[real cedar]

Is Freq51 your primary channel?
Secondly those SNR are enough to trace route. Especially AUR 2.. so you should be able to trace that at minimum unless something's configured wrong

[real cedar]

This is true too

[spring merlin]

yes it is my primary channel. what other things could i have messed up with my config? i can try factory resetting again. i'm wondering if there are any known firmwares to avoid? my devices were updated with the default beta firmware on the web flasher within last week or so

[real cedar]

Then that should trace no issue. However trace routes can often fail not because they suck or hardware sucks but antenna placement. You can place an antenna in such a way where it's RX is good but when it TX's it doesn't perform well in that area for tx. Thus the thing you want to talk to doesn't hear you but you can hear it

Where is your antenna roughly located

[spring merlin]

about half way between 3rd and 2nd avenue and half way between T street and S street in SLC aves

i'm trying a new pigtail today. already swapped from 3dbi to "9dbi" (maybe renamed to 8dbi) outdoor rokland antenna, no real difference

i guess i'm using two adapter/pigtails to connect the antenna which is probably not ideal. i have a direct single piece on order to replace those as well

[real cedar]

Yeah that spot is rough. In order to cover it. I need to deploy a node near mt wire

I love the avenues btw. My favorite place in slc

[leaden crow]

I have seen a few bad pigtails. Either where the center conductor is solder bridge to ground or broken. It would explain the no improvement with different antenna. If the new pigtail does not solve your problem we should figure out a way to test all your equipment.

[spring merlin]

just swapped the one part of it that i have on hand. (i think it's SMA to larger N Type? threaded adapter)

[spring merlin]

interesting. with the new pigtail i'm getting far worse reception 😛 i'm about to try a new UFL to SMA adapter and a new RAK device. this is weird

[spring merlin]

i found a UFL to SMA, gonna try that next, and then a new RAK device if that doesn't work

[barren island]

Well, I bough a WishMesh Tag and used it for 3 weeks. I forgot to charge it the last week so I guess it over discharged. Now I have a paperweight. I have seen similar cases on the web and I wanted to warn others. Think twice before buying one!!! I did via Aliexpress and the vendor offers to repair it, provided that I pay shipping (which is a minimum of 38€ plus taxes plus the return shipping, so it will cost more than the first device). So no solution. I would steer far from this crap

[barren island]

If anyone wants proof I am happy to provide

[umbral ice]

I had the same issue I think. I bought directly from Rokland and they are replacing it for me.

[pseudo kestrel]

well, dang. I was excited for a wismesh tag for christmas 🙁

[prisma saddle]

I dont think the tag is the issue. Its normal lithium battery discharge that kills them if not charged. But ya if you got it from rokland they may replace it for you.

[haughty moon]

Yeah. It seems the bms circuitry is not preventing the battery from dropping below safe levels

[prisma saddle]

t1000e does the same sadly.

[manic fractal]

Thanks for the warning. I’d been wondering about it after all the discussion of the Tag. Good to know.

[prisma saddle]

just treat it like your smart watch. mag it every night. 🙂

[manic fractal]

Which I do but then it’s just good to know that it’s an issue.

[haughty moon]

What if I have a Garmin that goes 3 weeks? lol

[umbral ice]

Same. Longer if I’m out in the sun a lot!

[leaden crow]

I have not seen this with T1000E and mine are probably from an early batch. Have discharged it to dead several times and it always comes back.

[prisma saddle]

i’ve not had one die just mean you don’t charge it. it will “die” till charged for 24h or so. dad had one kill over. plugged it in for like 2 days. it then had risen after that.

[leaden crow]

They are talking about the WishMesh Tag being fubar if it discharges completely. Like BMS (or lack thereof) allows battery voltage to drop too low.

[prisma saddle]

right. figured this was like that. guess i’m wrong.

[ember torrent]

My t1000-e after all this chat.

[manic fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/donut-morepower-donutmedia-gif-13890153

[ember torrent]

He funny. Remind me his new stuff?

James pumphrey. Speed. Meh. Guess havent watched in a while. Mk3 vws got me.

[manic fractal]

Yeah, I fell off of his new channel but sometimes they put out something interesting.

[real cedar]

Mines been having a weird issue with the app. The orange connect loop particularly after charging. Not sure why. Kinda ready to give it up. Building my mobile rpi z2w node

[dawn monolith]

Anyone available to help with some MQTT settings? Trying to make sure an infrastructure node that has been setup in St. George shows up...

[haughty moon]

We don't use MQTT for connecting nodes via up/down link, just for stats monitoring. That being said, we are always trying to expand our mesh via pure RF.

[dawn monolith]

Got it. Just trying to stumble my way through. I've had a couple of nodes for a few months. Both were originally set with LongFast as the primary channel. I just got them switched over to Freq51.

[haughty moon]

Nice. Im guessing MediumFast? Where did you set up the infrastructure node? I go down there pretty often, so I do want to see if we can get a link all the way down I-15.

[dawn monolith]

The infrastructure node is set up on the St. George City Commons building at 220 N 200 E.

We are working on getting additional nodes set up on Utah Hill and Webb Hill.

[haughty moon]

Oh nice. Those are great sites. We are more active in the other Discord channel, I think I saw your username over there. If you pick a region in the "start here" channel it will unlock the rest of the channels. We have a "node ops" channel where we can discuss infrastructure set ups

[dawn monolith]

Hmm. Maybe I'm special (likely), but I'm not seeing the option to pick a region.... Discord is definitely not my forte

[haughty moon]

You click on the emoji at the bottom of the message. St George is a cactus

[fleet shale]

Anyone running Med/Fast/Freq51 east of Nephi? Seems unlikely. Fairly new to this, and have been scanning the old message boards here haha. Think ill be stuck on long/fast networks out here in Sanpete County

[storm onyx]

Yeah you might be the pioneer in your area until a central Utah high point router infrastructure gets in place. I visited family in Spanish fork over Thanksgiving and couldn't get any messages North.

[fleet shale]

Good to know. I was wondering how far south the Freq51 actually reached. Heard rumors it may reach Nephi, but even that seems doubtful

[storm onyx]

I could see nodes in pleasant grove but it was just a tiny bit too far. A high roof node might have made it.

[prisma saddle]

come join us in the other server. if you can get the height .. maybe.. https://discord.gg/9TXVz5UX

[leaden crow]

It reached Scipio last summer at hacker camp, but since then a few nodes have either gone offline, or are stuck on old preset.

[maiden wraith]

My node keeps having connection issues to my phone. Like the node gets messages but won't connect to my phone until i reset the node. Like the latest new message shows on the screen but won't transfer to my phone, even after i connect. I confirmed it's not connecting to any of my other phones or computers. It's been happening since before Thanksgiving and I've only connected to it like 4 times since then and had a grand total of 2 public messages get pushed to my phone, and I'm sure there's more traffic than that. I'll get versions here in a sec.

2.6.11 on the node

android 2.7.8

[real cedar]

Yup same

It goes orange in the app

I have been struggling with this too.

It hasn't been the firmware in times past

I think it's the app

[maiden wraith]

good to know. Shame, I've probably missed so many test messages 😭

[real cedar]

I've just given up on using my phone for a bit.

Which sucks

I've also begun to understand the Lora protocol and stuff. Taken some things from mesh core and meshtastic and began to write my own thing that has true forward secrecy, payload checksumming, no decryption of payload device side only cli side. Like I want a paranoid radio heh and also one that enables more shenanigans without being as breakable but that will be my separate thing. Thankfully the meshtastic devs have created the environment where the hardware is readily available 😂 I've stashed a large archive of all the firmware and different hardware schematics and stuff offline too.

Need something better for drone comms tbch

[umbral ice]

What range do you need? HaLow an an option?

[real cedar]

100s of miles

🤣

The c2 telem link isn't meant for streaming anything other than commands, health and status, and positions of interest lol ... All footage will be stored onboard and retrieved when it RTBs

If I ever make a drone for fire scouting or rescue I'll make it big enough for a starlink antenna for that lollll

It would be nice if spacex offered a super compact mobile version of the antenna that accepted far less link speed.. that would be dope af

[haughty moon]

Why not just use LTE?

[real cedar]

Most remote areas don't have lte

If your surveying a place thats far from a population center it's far from a guarantee

[storm onyx]

Might just be me, but DM reliability seems very degraded lately in the Layton area. I recognize without FPR we are operating quite degraded, but it seems worse than before to me.

[maiden wraith]

whathappened to FPR?

[haughty moon]

My theory is the low voltage cuttoff was tripped after a few cloudy days with limited sun

[leaden crow]

We've been having problems with that Renogy charge controller on other nodes too

[haughty moon]

other than mine? lol

[leaden crow]

I guess pittvypr was just testing? or did he have actual problems before switching controllers?

[haughty moon]

both. He was looking for more efficiency so decided to switch to MPPT

[maiden wraith]

Francis peak is just cursed.

[leaden crow]

We are batting at least 0-3 on solar 1-watt nodes right now. I'm thinking when I installed WC 1.1, I put too much strain on a solder spliced cable from the solar panel. Won't know until ~May.
So it's not just Francis peak

[storm onyx]

Head over to the other discord. We were talking about gate bypass on motorbike. I told them you would know best. 😄

[maiden wraith]

invite expired. But I'm certaun you're allowed past the gate with vehicles less than like 50" can go past the gate even when it's closed. I've ridden on snowmobile tracks up there off-season, and never had an issue. Even seen the FCC or whatever trucks up there off season (they have keys and it gets plowed when they need jt) and no one cared.

it's probably impassable by wheeled vehicle by the radio towers. When i went up there in may, there was like 8' of snow on the road.

[storm onyx]

Cabin owners are also allowed to get past with gate key.

[maiden wraith]

mayve it was befor may. Let me find date stamps on my old pics.

[leaden crow]

Try this link if you got invite expired:
http://utahmesh.net/

[maiden wraith]

This was early May. Behind the radio towers was impassible and i had to go up and down Francis peak itself, which has a gate that you can pass on a 2-wheeler.

[umbral ice]

1-4 MHR is still running!

[leaden crow]

I know your shit is working. Had to rub it in, eh?
😁

[carmine umbra]

It's just the Utah 1w nodes. 😂

[real cedar]

it is. I switched C6C back to router late

to attempt to improve

[real cedar]

It's got an 8dB antenna on it ROFL so ya all should have good signal to it and it can see AUR, NPR, STIR and LMR directly

[storm onyx]

Excellent. I just bought an 8db for my next solar build.

[real cedar]

It's been suffering with so many days of no sunlight but it should charge back up. If we lose it that would suck

But it's been living out there for a year and half now hahaha

[haughty moon]

How is access? Can you update it to 2.7x for zero hop routers?

[real cedar]

I am not removing that thing for the winter

If it ever is to be upgraded it will become a station G2

new box

[haughty moon]

Can’t just take the lap top to the node?

[real cedar]

I mean the case was designed to be waterproof by literally being shut tight by permatex black and coated with lexel

And Bluetooth is off

😂

[haughty moon]

What? Never meant to be serviced? 🤣

[real cedar]

I didn't really care much for rapid firmware updates. I still don't to this day.. preferring stability and consistency over features

And rofl 2.6.4 and 2.6.11 have proven much more stable than 2.7.x for me

[haughty moon]

Interesting. Like what things?

[real cedar]

Well for one on my daily carries I've had lots of bt disconnects randomly and needing to reset the node often for nrf52s. I've had straight lockups on my esp32-s3 nodes (which I love the esp when its powered).. and loss of config on 2.7.x after 3 days of being dead.

It's why I have not deployed it on a router yet cuz I don't trust the stability. 2.6.11 .. rock solid

[storm onyx]

Question, are the battery protection modules from peakmesh (the liprotect) just as good as the voltaic enclosures version on etsy?

https://www.etsy.com/listing/1743333017/li-protect-lithium-battery-protection

[leaden crow]

It looks like they are both breakout boards for the exact same IC.
This board uses the XB8089D0 IC by XySemi.
So unless one of the 2 massively screwed up the simple pinout, they should be equivalent.

[real cedar]

I wish voltaics LTO capable mppt was still around

[ember torrent]

Anyone get a WS85 during the holidays?

[prisma saddle]

the weather station? nah. still on my todo list for a node in grantsville. but not there yet.

don’t forget most of us are on the other server.

[modest bridge]

Is there a Utah specific server? I've been messing around with Meshtastic for a little bit, but relatively new to the Meshtastic Discord/Utah channel

@prisma saddle awesome thanks! Joined!

[prisma saddle]

awesome make sure to select your region in the role channel

[surreal yoke]

Thanks, didn't even see that there was region channels.

Better then dealing with people in the general.

[prisma saddle]

heh.. ya sometimes people wake up on the wrong side of the bed i guess

so utah aye? nice.

Looks like you were trying to set some node ignores?

[surreal yoke]

Yes, I'm in American Fork for work right now.

[prisma saddle]

ah very cool, nice place.

You on LF20 / Defaults?

[surreal yoke]

No, I was just watching a youtube video how someone shut down an entire mestastic network at a conference because they spammed a movie script.

[prisma saddle]

Ah ya, too many packets/etc. prob. pending their preset/etc.

[surreal yoke]

I work in infosec and I'm interested in emergency comm's and just trying to learn as much as I can about the way the network works.

And how to negate idiots if they did something like that.

[surreal yoke]

I left everything the default so far.

[prisma saddle]

Ah ok, gotcha. ya in most cases, you would have any of the nodes that are client role and above (client,router/etc) ignore the node, then that would block any of its packets from being rebroadcasted. which would stop them from killing the network.

Yup because its a mesh and on one node is in charge.. its like @astral valley coordination is key.

[surreal yoke]

Has anyone tried to coordinate with muncipalities to get repeaters up?

[prisma saddle]

Yup, there are a few of those here. And continuing to open discussions with other groups/etc.

[surreal yoke]

Ok, as long as there is a plan to deal with something like that. It kind of worried me that the youtuber basically said there wasn't any way to stop someone from doing that, which seemed kind of weird that one bad actor could take down a mesh network like that.

I have connection with the mayor of Draper if anyone hasn't talked to them, being right at the point of the mountain could be very beneficial if there isn't one up already.

Is it possible to send a message from American Fork to SLC?

[prisma saddle]

ON the defaults, it depends. We have a group that have moved away from the defaults because of many reasons, mostly because a lot on there are not aware of how things work and chose the wrong role/etc. so the mesh there does not function best.

[prisma saddle]

Thats cool, there is one at POTM, not on the exact tower, but near it. As well as one further south of there. But not on defaults. Different mesh network.

[surreal yoke]

Wait, you can setup several different mesh networks on Mestastic? That seems counter productive.

That's really lame, kind of defeats the point of all working together to build the mesh.

[prisma saddle]

right, and as meshes grow, settings change to help that growth. LF cannot handle massive amounts of nodes, thus the reason for other presets like medium fast/slow and short fast/slow/turbo.

more nodes more bandwidth needed and if the mesh is well built out, you can handle those upgraded preset modes.

[surreal yoke]

So should I change away from defaults? Should I change from LF?

I’m going to try to put up a node at my office and my house on the roof. My office is a two story warehouse building on the west side of I15

Damn, well, learn something new every day. Part of the reason why I thought the network sucked in Utah, lol.

[prisma saddle]

yup, which is why a group of us moved off, so make a better one where those that are on it want to make it better.

[surreal yoke]

That makes sense. Are you guys involved with Utah Saint or 801labs at all?

[leaden crow]

Several are. @obsidian storm is on the board of 801labs. He runs the lan party at saintcon, and is an admin on the other Discord.
@real cedar is the radio officer at 801labs.

[surreal yoke]

I know who Bash is, we've been friends for a while.

I didn't have the members tab to the right turned on at first, or I would have saw bash and mike as "contributors".

Thanks!

[real cedar]

I'm the radio officer there yes

[obsidian storm]

Sup dcast 😄

[obsidian storm]

So... Meshtastic is very very fragile. A bad actor can 100% take it down

All it takes is a single actor, smart enough, to cause enough noise that it breaks everything

There's a lot of security through obscurity going on here

A single bad actor can take down the ham radio repeaters too. This is a pretty common problem and it's really hard to solve

Anytime you make a public asset, somebody could break it or cause problems

The internet is a pretty magical thing in the fact that it has been designed to try its best to withstand those types of issues. But even the internet has problems; we're just really good at tracking them down and putting people in jail for it

A DDOS is a hard thing to solve

I could, very quickly, write a script that would send a thousand packets from a thousand unique node IDs.

My one raspberry pi node could probably take down the whole Utah network if it felt like it

[surreal yoke]

But couldn’t someone quickly identify it and just start slowly blocking it?

And then if it kept happening we could create our own discord and just not release the keys?

[obsidian storm]

Kind of, kind of not.
If I started blocking Mac addresses for threat actors they could just cycle it and come up with a brand new MAC address for every packet. Same thing with blocking NodeIDs

[surreal yoke]

But we could just keep the keys private like what is done for the current Utah mesh, just not even put them on the website like they have now. Keep them completely private and say only release them to vetted individuals?

Which you couldn’t do with ham repeaters since it’s analog and not digital.

[obsidian storm]

Keys are only used for decrypting packets. The way meshtastic works is that it sends every packet it finds whether it can decrypt it or not.

The way to fix this is by enabling LOCAL_ONLY:
https://meshtastic.org/docs/configuration/radio/device/#rebroadcast-mode

But now it's no longer a public mesh. It's a private mesh only forwarding messages for that private mesh

So if we had a major problem and a major emergency, we can switch the routers to the specific mode. But then only specific people can transmit messages and only if they have the shared password.

It would fix that problem for that threat actor, but it would no longer be public

As long as we keep the mesh public, as a public asset, it's susceptible to these attacks

So yes, if we vet every person who is joining the mesh then we could fix that problem

But if even one of those people we vet ends up being a bad actor, it would be really hard to tie it to that person

[surreal yoke]

Ok, that makes sense. At least there is an option that all the hardware we’ve invested isn’t worthless if someone wanted to be an idiot.

Would the FCC get involved like they would if someone was abusing HAM frequencies?

[obsidian storm]

Probably not. We'd probably need to get law enforcement involved. I'll bet we could though

It's a lot harder because it's not just standard RF jamming, it would probably be within the packet rules. It's still interference but we would have to prove that it's intentionally harmful. That gets pretty hard

The nice part is is we can probably triangulate them very quickly

[surreal yoke]

Local law enforcement can’t enforce federal laws though. Is there a state law?

There is also street justice, lol.

We would probably have to get the FBI involved.

[obsidian storm]

I'm sure I could find something. A quick Google search shows me this

https://law.justia.com/codes/utah/title-76/chapter-9/part-2/section-201/

"disrupt the electronic communications of another"

[surreal yoke]

I was about to say that’s just using electronic comms to make threats and harass, but that could probably apply.

[obsidian storm]

"causes disruption, jamming, or overload of an electronic communication system through excessive message traffic or other means utilizing an electronic communication device. "

[surreal yoke]

My faith in law enforcement caring enough to do something about something like that would be very low.

[obsidian storm]

It pretty clearly seems to cover this use case

Right. We'd probably have to do all the work and present it to them with a nice little bow.

[surreal yoke]

Ya definitely. That would give a much better chance of having them get involved, especially since we would likely have many jurisdictions involved and many chances to get someone to care.

A neighbor of mine had their car sideswiped by a large semi truck and the SLC Pd weren’t even going to do anything about it till I pulled up a clear picture of the company logo on the side of the truck. We’re talking 10-15k worth of damage.

He acted like it was some burden to even do any kind of work to track down the driver/company.

[obsidian storm]

Yeah.

Long story short, I think if you had a bad actor, we could handle it with some effort on our part

And if we had an emergency, we could fix it very quickly at the expense of everyone else

[leaden crow]

You can absolutely get law enforcement to make at least some minimum effort here. One of my friends (network admin) had pin pointed a house that was launching wifi attacks at a business wifi he administered. They got police to knock and threaten the occupant. Now, I can't guarantee they would have done anymore more if it had not stopped, but it worked out for him, and was at least the start of a paper trail had it not.

[surreal yoke]

Ya that’s someone dumb enough to do it from their house, lol. Guarantee that was some dumb kid that got a pineapple for Christmas.

[obsidian storm]

The nodes that are a problem are the ones that we can't remote administer. We'll probably need to figure that out.....

I need to make sure NPR is remote administratable

I really wish I could get Halow wan working on the nebra boards

[surreal yoke]

As in we can’t remotely upgrade firmware and such?

Halow wan?

[leaden crow]

The point is that there is some precedent for resolving such problems with law enforcement.

[surreal yoke]

Ya it really all depends on the cop you get I’m betting.

[obsidian storm]

https://www.seeedstudio.com/Wio-WM6108-Wi-Fi-HaLow-mini-PCIe-Module-p-6394.html

[surreal yoke]

Cops in Moab charged a kid with property destruction when a kid used a Flipper to Bluetooth spam a teachers phone. Teacher claimed he perm bricked his phone.

[leaden crow]

I'm sure. Also I think the request coming from a business and having a detective assigned (not a traffic cop) certainly helps.

[surreal yoke]

Is that used to interface with a LoRa board or is it used to run a larger repeater?

[leaden crow]

Flipper is wizardry to small town cops. Kid is lucky he didn't get burned at the stake.

[surreal yoke]

Ya I attempted to call the district and convince them that the kid didn’t break anyone’s phone, not sure how much good I did.

Kid needed mentoring not handcuffs.

[obsidian storm]

It's basically Wi-Fi over the Lora bands

It's a different device

With a limit of 5 mi distance

But adding these to our meshtastic nodes would allow us to do remote SSH connections

[surreal yoke]

Oh, gotcha, which would allow remote admin.

[obsidian storm]

Yes. There's normal remote admin, but this is more firmware updates over SSH

NPR has the normal remote admin disabled because I forgot to enable it before I installed it

Lol

But even with that normal remote admin, I wouldn't be able to do firmware updates

[surreal yoke]

How hard is it to physically get to?

And why didn’t you do solar with it for power?

[obsidian storm]

Because it's running a raspberry pi and a one watt node

It was a pain in the butt to get there. Took @leaden crow a few hours to go up with the tower owners

[surreal yoke]

Walking?

[obsidian storm]

Car

Link here: #1197577977781821541 message

[surreal yoke]

Why so long?

[leaden crow]

Drive to the top take 1.5hrs (3hrs round trip). It's a steep rough dirt road with 4 security gates you have to stop at.

[surreal yoke]

Do we need permission to go back and fix things? I’ve got a truck that would likely handle the drive.

[obsidian storm]

Yes. We need to be escorted

[leaden crow]

Yes, but the Abc4 engineers will I'm sure take us back up. They drive up to do tower work multiple times a year anyway.

[surreal yoke]

I would love to go next time you guys go up.

Is there no way to run a 1w panel off solar?

[obsidian storm]

It would be a very large solar panel. It's doable, but there's no need up there.

They have generators + we put it on a large lifepo4 UPS that should run it for 3+days after the generators fail.

[leaden crow]

For an RPI it would have to be a huge solar setup. We have some other choices that are practical for solar 1w, but probably nothing that would give us an easy remote admin option.

[surreal yoke]

Does the rpie just support more power?

[haughty moon]

https://heltec.org/project/ht-hd01/

I have a few of these. Really cool form factor. Havent done a range test, but they work

[leaden crow]

It would potentially give us LTE or Wifi HaLow, that's what we need for full remote admin (ability to do remote firmware updates).

[surreal yoke]

What’s the plan for the others, just drive up there and Bluetooth connection?

[leaden crow]

Pretty much. Firmware update via Bluetooth OTA is a little sketchy. It's more reliable to either swap the radio board or plug in USB and update.

On my mountain nodes. I will most likely just keep spare boards. Enclosures are designed so it's easy to swap.

[obsidian storm]

I really want to test bluetooth OTA with a drone 😄

[surreal yoke]

Oh, that would be fun.

[obsidian storm]

It wouldn't keep you from driving there but it might keep you from climbing a tree @leaden crow

[surreal yoke]

I mean, it could keep you from driving quite a bit. Mine has quite the range on it.

[leaden crow]

Mine aren't so far up a tree I can't Bluetooth to them from the ground. I just can't ever get OTA to work from my damn iphone.

[surreal yoke]

Even from node’s right next to your phone?

[leaden crow]

Yeah. A bunch of my nodes are Xaio based, and their factory bootloader doesn't even support OTA. The third party one that is supposed to work never does for me. With the RAK boards, I can get 1 or 2 steps farther in the process, but it always still fails. I think it works better from an Android phone, but I'm not committed enough to buy one yet just for that purpose.

[surreal yoke]

I’ve got an older Pixel XL that I have for use for stuff like that.

[real cedar]

I mean ngl could be an innocent actor too

We have been thinking of ways of increasing situ awareness via a flock, police, fire and authority reporter over mesh to a tiling server but how to do it without flood has been our question

[obsidian storm]

well, an innocent actor can easily be ignored by the routers

[real cedar]

Well I mean not entirely. There are certain core port nums that always get repeated but I guess they'd venture into less innocent by exploiting that

I've def sent a packet through a core port number that won't be throttled when I wanted to ensure getting through to the other side 😂

But I'm not like sending a giant PNG or anything

Just a text file

MC has ways of being similarly exploited. I don't think you can ultimately make mesh topologies immune to the problem. We have known that since the 70s though

[obsidian storm]

not if they're ignored

[real cedar]

Our networks large enough that the noise can still present a problem even if the routers ignore it is more what I mean. It would just bounce around a lot of clients unless everyone obeyed the ignore. It's kind of the issue you pointed out with a public asset

Like ultimately just like ham it relies on people not being dicks

[obsidian storm]

ah yes.

that's true.

[real cedar]

I also saw something not so cool recently and I'll see if I can dig up the article but spoofing the node id and number is a thing

Which ideally shouldn't be changeable

[obsidian storm]

yes. I wrote a few test scripts

it's very easy to do

[real cedar]

Oak pointed it out

Idk the way I see us mitigating it is more MTN top routers and short fast - short turbo and then it's like okay if someone tries to be a dick there's some room for it. Even on MF there is

[obsidian storm]

LOCAL_ONLY is the only real solution if it gets bad

[real cedar]

It is but it's also a bad experience tbch

[obsidian storm]

Maybe.

I saw the kiba app be able to pull in settings and apply them to a node pretty easily

just have people subscribe with the app and a password, and then it applies all the settings

would make it simple

[real cedar]

LOCAL_ONLY - Ignores observed messages from foreign meshes that are open or those which it cannot decrypt. Only rebroadcasts message on the nodes local primary / secondary channels.

The issue being then our routers must all carry the keys of channels people want forwarded

[obsidian storm]

yes.

so only a public channel

which kinda sucks

[real cedar]

Which I can see becoming a massive cluster fuck

Would not want to subjugate people to that so let's hope people stay polite

[obsidian storm]

it's been fine so far

[real cedar]

And I think it will probably stay that way. It's obscure enough

So what I've wanted to look into a a hybrid concept with stuff from MC and stuff from MT but on a 2.4 ghz Lora or potentially even a 5 GHz Lora (that would be remarkably short range but very high throughput).. that could be actually useful for other forms of media not just text

In military stuff there's something similar to Lora but rather uses dash7
https://www.dash7-alliance.org/

It's much shorter range though. 2-5 km but usually a throughput in the neighborhood of 133 kbit/s which ain't bad. I've been looking at the whole gammut of long range radio tech

Something I've realized for drones is that I might veer away from meshtastic

ExpressLRS is way superior

Unfortunately that still means I'm I'm your frequency band but I'll be mindful of where our channels are at for MC and MT and stay away from them when I develop that

https://github.com/ExpressLRS
So ya all won't have to see drone packets on the net for much longer if you even received them at all. They were all client hiddens and did not rebroadcast their node data

[maiden wraith]

ELRS will go for miles and miles and miles. I never ran out of range on ELRS + 900mhz video. I had numerous planes drop out of the sky on FRSKY firmware but once I switched to ELRS, it was smooth flying

[real cedar]

I want to encrypt ELRS

I want to scramble the analog 900 MHz video too.

I don't like playing by the rules 😂

It's like me and meshtastic. I'll break every rule in existence by modding the firmware 😂🤣😂

Can't stop me if I have access to the sauce heheh hahahah

[maiden wraith]

I'm pretty sure there are a few forks from ELRS to encrypt it. Been a while since I played with that though. Could probably just use a LUA script or something to wrap it if you're using normal flight controllers and inav or betaflight.

[obsidian storm]

@wet galleon
Your node is still going strong

that's so cool

[edgy furnace]

First day on Meshtastic. Paired my T1000E and drove through salt lake. Exciting to see a few nodes pop up.

[haughty moon]

Hi, welcome! We have mostly moved over to our other discord. See freq51.net and Utahmesh.net

[obsidian storm]

Did you get into any coversations?

That's the most fun

[gilded plume]

I'm finally seeing messages on Freq51

[obsidian storm]

64 Checkins on the Utah/Idaho Freq51 mesh! Crazy how it's grown

@manic fractal will you increase the nodedb count on your BBBB node?

We're at 410 nodes seen on the mesh over the last 2 days and your nodedb keeps getting low.

when it does, I get yet another "welcome to the mesh" message

[manic fractal]

Oh yeah, I didn’t realize it was doing that. Sorry. That’s got to be a pain. We have enough welcome messages. I can just turn it off if nothing else.

[obsidian storm]

@white field Hey buddy!

Question for you. Any chance we can chat about your remote solar nodes?

I've got an idea to revive them

[prisma saddle]

@kind eagle hey, you alive?

[kind eagle]

Yeah, what’s up?

My brain is fried from work today, but I’m alive haha

[prisma saddle]

oh hey cool! dm incoming. also join our other discord.

[ember torrent]

@pseudo kestrel You get your “roof” node installed?

[pseudo kestrel]

It's hanging out in a window still

[ember torrent]

Did a chimney install east of you. Thoughts on a chimney install for you?

[pseudo kestrel]

I'm unsure where it'd go, have you been by my place before?

[ember torrent]

No, i have not been to your home. You posted an image awhile back of your parking sign, and i’m assuming you are a single level with a chimney, similar to that Smiths Ballpark area.

If someone needs to climb a ladder for your parking sign node, might as well climb a ladder for a roof node instead. Be a little easier to attach to the chimney over the parking sign, i.e., mast mounts already exist.

[rain thistle]

Hey yall im new to mesh as a whole. Is there a place I can see a map of the relays / nodes? Im in the Vineyard / PG area and have access to 5th floor if it would help the network.

[leaden crow]

https://meshview.freq51.net/map
slcmesh / slcmesh

Edit, this is the Freq51 mesh, not the default LongFast 20. They probably don't have a map, it's the wild wild west on default.

[haughty moon]

Come check out our discord. http://utahmesh.net

[ember torrent]

Where do i find a 10k ohm resistor around SLC?

[tired urchin]

Goodbye all. As discord is enforcing some sort of insane identity requirements I will no longer be using this platform. Sad that it has come to this, I can hardly recommend other platforms as they all have their bureaucracy bullshit, so I'll just see you on the mesh from here on out. Please be vocal if any LoRa or channel settings changes are required as I won't see it here.

[ember torrent]

I have ~ninety-nine 10k ohm resistors for sale.

[leaden crow]

This is your best bet for finding components in SLC.
https://standardsupply.myshopify.com/

[ember torrent]

Also have three Soshine panels i dont need.

[prisma saddle]

@obsidian storm

[fiery sparrow]

This place still alive?

[leaden crow]

Everybody moved here:
http://utahmesh.net/
It got too busy for a single channel, and ID joined our mesh.

[pallid isle]

Can someone help get setup for the right channel

[storm onyx]

See freq51.net "onboarding" page for configuring your node primary channel.

[pallid isle]

Thank you

[prisma saddle]

and jump over to here too. more avail to help http://utahmesh.net/

[ember torrent]

It’d sure be cool to have a node above Lagoon if Sparks of Love knows a guy or gal.

[leaden crow]

FPR is almost right above Lagoon. We just need to replace it when the snow has melted.

[ember torrent]

Maybe too close, easier to troubleshoot also.

[ember torrent]

Fpr is too close.

[leaden crow]

There is a good chance we'll have a node on Antelope island soon.
#1393378883406925854 message
Honestly we need a node on the west mountains here to reach the east bench. If it's not Antelope, Promontory..

[ember torrent]

I was thinking here.

If Sparks of Love and that house are connected.

[obsidian storm]

if we can get higher, it'll be way better