US - Utah

[haughty moon]

I saw your message, but was too much to send out in the mesh haha

So any device configured for MediumFast and Frequency Channel 51 is able to contribute to the mesh, regardless of the text channel or key. So yes, DMs will use the mesh

[ruby prism]

@kind eagle ask here... They might know.

[obsidian storm]

We can always feed more!

it helps in case things go offline

[umbral ice]

do you want unique instances for each node or can I reuse mine both on my roof node and the hackerspace node?

[leaden crow]

Nice!
I'm not going to volunteer you for setting up a whole bunch more instances. 😁

[prisma saddle]

im sure its all scripted at this point..

lol

he is "bash"

[obsidian storm]

it's 100% scripted.

well, minus the cloudflare part

but I'll get that soon.

[prisma saddle]

ah ya api that sucker!

[obsidian storm]

I'm looking for unique instances

[kind eagle]

I have a WisBlock 4631. I am trying to configure it per the instructions for Freq51. I am in South Jordan and can see a friend up in Woods Cross, but when I try to message him or in the channel, I keep getting max transmission. Anyone have any suggestions to check? I am also not showing up on the freq[.]net map or lists.

[obsidian storm]

Take a quick second and screenshot your settings 🙂

[haughty moon]

After that, if its good, I got $1 its ipex issue

[prisma saddle]

what type of antenna are you using

[obsidian storm]

Channel settings too 🙂

[kind eagle]

Just have the antenna that came with the wisblock

[obsidian storm]

The Settings all look good.

Take it outside and set it on the porch for a few minutes.

I'll see if I can wake it up

[kind eagle]

Going to set it upstairs for a bit and see

[obsidian storm]

sure! Put it in a window facing south

[haughty moon]

Double check antenna connections are tight

[leaden crow]

We need to make a troubleshooting page on the website. We're going to have this down to a science. Meshtastic version of "Hit the gym, lawyer up, delete facebook"

Also, if we ever get back to non-tariff pricing. I'll leave a box of Ziisors and RG178 pigtails at the hackerspace.

[kind eagle]

Just sent “BP01 testing”

[obsidian storm]

got you

[kind eagle]

Ok, maybe I just need to be higher or get a better antenna.

[haughty moon]

That there is the crux of radio

[leaden crow]

Your settings are good. Is this a portable node or one you intend to leave permanently installed at a location?

https://meshtastic.org/docs/hardware/antennas/

[kind eagle]

I’m former satcom in the military, but I dumped a lot of the info a long time ago

This is a mobile, maybe I’ll get a fixed for upstairs

[leaden crow]

The Muziworks/Gizont whip antenna on that page is great for portable nodes.

[leaden crow]

For fixed nodes. I really like this antenna for the money:
#1197577977781821541 message

[kind eagle]

I will note these down. I appreciate the help!

[inner jay]

The stub of doom

That right there is your weakest link

[obsidian storm]

If you need any additional help, let us know.

I'm probably not even 2 miles away from you so I'll be a very close node/hop

[leaden crow]

Gizont whip are perfect on these nodes. I have measured a ton of them and they have consistently great SWR.

[kind eagle]

Thanks everyone!

[prisma saddle]

Ditto

@kind eagle

[umbral ice]

Omg I’m an idiot. I was adjusting AIDA the other day, and somehow didn’t realize I did this

[prisma saddle]

the client base or unmonitored?

[umbral ice]

Unmonitored

Can't do any BBS or anything

[inner jay]

https://tenor.com/view/doh-homer-simpsons-silly-gif-4837044

[prisma saddle]

ah great.. can you remote fix it or have to usb it

[umbral ice]

Yeah just wifi on my house

Have to turn off meshing around change it and restart it

[leaden crow]

Man I think the ADC on my Longmesh is wonky. The battery values I am getting are all over the place. It should be pretty stable. It has 18,000 mAh of battery.
WC1,2025-10-27T03:33:53,74%
WC1,2025-10-27T12:53:53,82%
WC1,2025-10-27T14:22:00,81%
WC1,2025-10-27T15:54:57,80%
WC1,2025-10-27T20:04:35,78%
WC1,2025-10-27T21:42:55,87%

[haughty moon]

18k??😂

Yeah i dont think it should change much lol

[leaden crow]

WC2 battery is half the size and it has read the same 90% over the same period.

[prisma saddle]

solar not getting up there?

[leaden crow]

I should have pressed wehooper4 more about the options. I could have got it with a Murata and SMA connector.

Nah, I think the solar and battery is probably fine. It has a boost circuit for the E22 module, so maybe it's affecting the ADC battery voltage? I'm just used to it being super stable on my other nodes.

[umbral ice]

Bad combo of shade, bad angle, bad weather and lots of BBS link drained AIDA's battery :/

Guess its time to finally run some PoE 🙁

Maybe Femtofox time and I can upgrade ISR early 😄 😄 😄

[obsidian storm]

anyone have any Nebras they don't want? 😄 lol

I have too many people asking for kits that I've run out.

I only have boards left.

[prisma saddle]

was mine still in there of a full kit or did i loose it again. lol

for my slowness.

and your giving away nebra now?

[obsidian storm]

I have a board for you, but you have to get it, lol

I bought a pack of 15nebras and have been selling them to go along with some boards. Just to make it easy for people

[ruby prism]

Do we like raigen antennas?

[obsidian storm]

What kind of node? Handheld or stationary?

[prisma saddle]

oh wow that many buying them? i didn’t know you were doing that. guess if we don’t have places to put them no point in keeping them for the mesh.

ya i’ll come get it.

[ruby prism]

Stationary.

[obsidian storm]

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806241790045.html

This is the antennas we've been using recently for stationary

45cm

[umbral ice]

Woo AIDA is back

[reef ridge]

Is it doing some type of Coulomb counting or is it just reading the voltage and extrapolating from that?

[leaden crow]

I would guess only voltage calculation. Looks that way based on this:

[reef ridge]

That's an interesting choice on a board that's meant to be solar powered. There's always going to be voltage sags when the radio TXs. 🤔

[ruby prism]

I am ordering this for my stationary node. but I am curious now, what do we like for handheld?

[obsidian storm]

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804421300249.html
Color: 915MHz SMA M

[keen glen]

@obsidian storm Do you have a higher-res coverage map for LAKE?

[obsidian storm]

not really

you could make one.

[leaden crow]

In this hardware, it's going to depend on whatever they wrote in meshtastic firmware.

nrf; monitoring the battery voltage with an analog input pin.. or the charge controller's STAT pin can be connected to a general-purpose input/output (GPIO) pin.

This board uses CN3791. It looks like the only status it outputs is this:

Open-Drain Charge Status Output. When the battery is being charged, this pin
is pulled low by an internal switch. Otherwise this pin is in high impedance state.

Open-Drain Charge Termination Output. When the charging is terminated,
this pin is pulled low by an internal switch. Otherwise this pin is in high
impedance state.

[inner jay]

I use a Lilygo T-Deck myself when I'm not near one of my stationary/car nodes

Using the standard Rokland whip

https://store.rokland.com/collections/all-helium-antennnas/products/2-5-dbi-sma-male-915-mhz-soft-flexible-whip-antenna-for-t-beam-t-echo-other-lora

[keen glen]

LAKE is reporting at 40.28498, -111.94204 for me, that seems slightly off from the actual location?

[obsidian storm]

it's slightly offset.

it's by that KABE-FM

[keen glen]

Approximately how high up is it?

[obsidian storm]

8 ft

[keen glen]

https://www.heywhatsthat.com/?view=M7WCLGRT
A smaller hill on northern lake mountain has some pretty good east-side coverage, in BLM land.

The city center part of LAKE coverage should be a fully missed area, so I'm definately experiencing some sort of lensing/ducting to get signals from LAKE

[obsidian storm]

while true, it's too close to LAKE and will probably not work out too well.

the best place is to the west

Take a look at these three

#1197577977781821541 message

specifically flattop or lowe

if you want a spot, work with @haughty moon as he is working on it as well.

I also just got permission from the tower owner for this one in eagle mountain, just waiting on city permission.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/3ZU72yjK7i7HSUXU6

[compact flare]

Hi guys, new here and just learning everything. You might see me pop-up. I'm in a kind of a crowded area so I can receive but not transmit.

[keen glen]

Sweet, that will 100% reach where I'm at. Flat Top would be awesome to get, not sure if it's still viable/reachable for the season.

[prisma saddle]

trying to work flattop on my end. just a bit slow.

would be a chopper ride.

[keen glen]

Haha, that would be way easier than trekking up there

[keen glen]

Have you tried with line-of-sight to any of the peaks that have infra? https://freq51.net/infrastructure

[compact flare]

I've tried to walk around and get better line of sight with the "Aurora Uranialis Router" which I rx from often and I think is my closest infrastructure but I think I'm just really underpowered. I just transmitted today for the first time when I was downtown and walking around but nothing by the airport can pick me up

[prisma saddle]

what device do you have, and antenna?

[compact flare]

I have just the cheap wisblock 4631. I got the $35 starter kit on Amazon to start dabbling with the hobby. It came with two Lora antennas and I'm using the little ducky antenna that has the adapter. It's not marked so I don't know exactly, sorry

[prisma saddle]

ah ya no prob. So first thing youll want to do is get something on your roof. height is key.

and some ideas for antenna https://meshtastic.org/docs/hardware/antennas/

[compact flare]

Any recommendations for the rooftop device? My apartment manager is pretty chill and the roof access is fairly easy if they unlock it. It's a 5 story apartment so I'd get a good vantage point I think

[prisma saddle]

ah nice. well yuo could use that rak, get the alfa antenna and a solar panel / batteries. and your set. here is some examples https://freq51.net/equipment

[compact flare]

Nice, thank you for the advice!

[prisma saddle]

if you get stuck on anything. just ask. and many times you can get hands on help if you have time to stop by the hackerspace @ 801labs on thursdays depending on who is there

[compact flare]

Very cool, this seems like a fun hobby

[prisma saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/alice-rabbithole-falling-tumbling-bye-gif-5308157

very cool yup they are.

ive wanted to mess with one. id prob switch out the antenna if i did but ya nice things

[haughty moon]

@obsidian storm just wanted to clarify that the peak to the east is quite a bit better for more of the valley. https://www.heywhatsthat.com/?view=VUX541FL ACE let me know how that goes, I can contribute/provide hardware

[prisma saddle]

ya just checked in with my dad who is in contact with the dude offering it.. so will see

[compact flare]

How're you guys setting up the infrastructure? Do you need to ask permission for BLM land and is there a medium you ask that through?

[prisma saddle]

I dont know wehre its at exactly yet.. 50' wood pole. on there somewhere

[compact flare]

I assume yes to the BLM but I'm new and could be wrong

Dang I bet that takes some time.

[leaden crow]

Pretty much all of the above. We are asking permission, working with multiple groups that are tower owners, or have lease. We also have some cough birdhouse nodes cough

#1203524130410860585 message

[inner jay]

The borg nodes will eventually be assimilating locations once they're built

[umbral ice]

Fun? LOL

[umbral ice]

I don't even want to talk about my hobby expenses this year LOL

[manic fractal]

Think of it as an investment. That makes it easier to swallow.

[umbral ice]

Oh for sure they're all investments. All 7 new hobbies that happened in just hte last 12 months ><

[leaden crow]

I keep trying to tell my wife that.

[umbral ice]

My excuse for my recurve bow was infinite ammo ><

[prisma saddle]

a year? ummm who did those stats.

“emergency prep”. right?

[leaden crow]

Except for all those carbon arrows you break or lose that cost way more than ammo, right?

[umbral ice]

shhhhhh

[leaden crow]

Yeah, it's got to be fake. I don't even know what lame hobby is possibly that inexpensive. Maybe birdwatching?

[prisma saddle]

i dunno binoculars can be pretty $$$$$$ lol

[umbral ice]

temu binos. you might get lucky and get some that fell of the vortex factory line LMAO

[leaden crow]

You only have to buy those once. I guess birdwatching could get pretty expensive. After watching birds for a little while, I'd be itching to buy a nice over/under.

[reef ridge]

Funko Pop collecting? 😂

[prisma saddle]

what would happen if I had two client base sending to a single node?

[compact flare]

Could a message still get out and not acknowledged? I'm worried that I'm spamming the network by retransmitting a couple of time.

[prisma saddle]

roof and truck have ace mobile favorite lol.

[haughty moon]

Try it and tell us lol

[haughty moon]

Check out one of our online clients. https://meshview.freq51.net/chat. usr/slcmesh pw/slcmesh

[inner jay]

Lol the nodes drop duplicate packets

[compact flare]

Very useful, thank you

[compact flare]

That makes sense, okay so I don't have to worry so much

Jeez okay so apparently I'm getting out but I'm not picking up my acknowledgements or the replies from people. I gotta be more careful not to send out duplicates, sorry!

[haughty moon]

Where abouts are you located? One or two messages is fine don’t worry too much

[compact flare]

I'm over by the SLC airport

[haughty moon]

Can your node hear AUR direct? Any luck with a trace route to it?

[stark burrow]

YO gang i got a better anteana for my heltec v3

[haughty moon]

which one? is it working better?

[stark burrow]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D7D6866W?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title

way better i can talk in the freq51 channel

So yall Lets chat about the G mountain repeater

[haughty moon]

For sure. Come check out the Utah centric channel node ops. Don’t want to blow up main. https://discord.gg/ukRk6QH2

[reef ridge]

It's always DNS the pigtails.

[leaden crow]

@reef ridge @haughty moon
Check out my roundabout traceroute. Going through STIR and FPR to reach WC1
https://meshview.freq51.net/graph/traceroute/2125048018

[obsidian storm]

FPR straight to WC1

that's cool

[haughty moon]

The flood routing never ceases to amaze me

[reef ridge]

I didn't realize WC1 had LOS to FPR, very cool!

[leaden crow]

It needs something closer to be reliable. Either NPR 2.0 or AUR 2.0 I think would do it. If that happens, my plan next year is to move WC2 for better Millcreek coverage, and I'll build a WC3 for Park City.

Scott's hill tower might actually be the spot for Park City, but we'd need to figure out which tower. There are 3 or 4 and I think only 1 covers PC.

[prisma saddle]

Hmm ya will see what this does. tired of changing my truck back and forth from client to mute. so roof and truck are base and both fav my mobile. will see what it breaks.

[haughty moon]

As long as the bases only have your nodes favorited, it should be fine

[prisma saddle]

yup

[real cedar]

Nah you ride your ass across the lucin cut off then take a short road off of it and park 9 miles out from the peak

@astral valley if your doing that. Call it BOOM BOOM Router haha

[compact flare]

I can hear it but nothing can hear me 😆. I just have a starter kit. Some people have recommended some antennas so that's the next purchase

[reef ridge]

That sounds inconvenient.

[real cedar]

Bruh this is Backcountry 🤣

If you wanted convenient stay in SLC 😂😂😂

[real cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-steps-will-riker-star-trek-picard-tiny-steps-slowly-now-gif-21813741

[inner jay]

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-gif-5951761023657161921

[inner jay]

Is this oak kid for real?

[whole oxide]

Oak is real

also a character

but he's cool

[real cedar]

@broken turret homie.. you know what the android and apple app need. They need the ability to message a node based on its raw node id and node number combo. Know why? The nrf52 devices only store 80 devices and the Freq51 mesh is so massive and so expansive that we can't always see each other without favorites. Who would be a good person to suggest this too. The idea is you plug those in and the mesh makes a best effort to deliver and the nodes try to exchange node info on receipt

[real cedar]

Bros a homie

Funny guy

Don't worry if he misbehaves. I'll take his radio privileges at the space away.. 🤣

[prisma saddle]

I agree with that.. send a new DM or so on directly to an id or its hex id. either one. just like with the cli how you can do it.

[real cedar]

Yes please please please it's needed. Like our nodeDBs are ass rammed with nodes.. what is it 231 stored in my G2 now

[prisma saddle]

just about to hit 300 on my nebra

[real cedar]

Also favorites shouldn't be auto purged after 7 days inactivity 🙁

Lost my favorites cuz let my node stay offline foreves

[haughty moon]

Wait that’s a thing?

[real cedar]

Idk if it's a bug or a thing.. mine wiped

[leaden crow]

I made a list of the nodes on our mesh using duplicate keys. If your nodes are on this list, I strongly recommend you make sure your firmware is up to date and regenerate your keys.
More details here: https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2025-52464

[prisma saddle]

Thank you sir

we should prob have that checked often, prob resetting nodedb often to recheck.. cant it pull info from mqtt? do pub keys get put there? maybe that could be a way...

[broken turret]

So, the apps actually cache nodeinfo. And the ability exists (although the apps don't actually do this part currently) for the app to send that back to the firmware.

Given that, IMO a better approach than trying to message a node ID would be to simply have the info for that node get transparently reloaded from the app onto the connected device when the user tries to send a message to that node. That way the user wouldn't even need to know anything about the mechanics of it, and there would be no delay on waiting for a nodeinfo exchange... the messaging would "just work", as if the nodeDB limitation didn't exist.

In terms of who... if you have someone with the skills to implement this, just go ahead and do it, and open a PR for it.

If you are asking for it, but lack someone to implement it, then log a feature request issue in GitHub.

[haughty moon]

If this does get implemented, I would highly suggest that it works for multiple nodes at a time and can store it locally on the clients storage

[broken turret]

Agreed. At the moment, client apps only store nodeDB info for the most recently connected device.

[obsidian storm]

18 Checkins so far with the weekly net!
https://meshview.freq51.net/net

We even got @umbral ice from IDAHO.
Unique cities:
Herriman, Sandy, Flier ID, Bluffdale, Hollady, West Valley, North Salt Lake, Sandy, Salt Lake City, Murray, Daybreak.

[prisma saddle]

i’d weekly results graph. lol.

[umbral ice]

There’s actually been a few others from Idaho that have checked in. Twin Falls,, Jerome, and Mindoka. I guess they didn’t quite make it 😭

[prisma saddle]

by location.

ugg i need to get a mqtt node in tooele. gues l toss my dads nebra up temp in his house until we can mount it.

[umbral ice]

Can’t wait to be able to hopefully add in the treasure Valley to that next week. They are gonna make another run at Hayden this weekend.

[obsidian storm]

They didn't make it to AIDA?

[umbral ice]

They may have OK to MQTT Off

[real cedar]

Umbriel def has it off. Jupiter def has it on is all I know

[real cedar]

Ahh yeah bash got the yellow tag.. nice

[real cedar]

I'll probably do this closer to Thanksgiving thanks for the input homie

[jolly goblet]

This would be great. Would it also be possible for client devices to also retain messages (channel and DM) for particular nodes that remain after connecting the client device to a new node?

[inner jay]

https://tenor.com/view/you-ask-for-too-much-sato-the-karate-kid-ii-thats-asking-for-too-much-thats-a-tall-order-gif-24816510

[jolly goblet]

Perhaps I do. How do those of you with many nodes (i.e. 20 nodes: #1393416763797934120 message) deal with the data loss of the nodeDB and messages when switching between nodes when administering so many? I only have a handful of nodes and it is very frustrating. Do you have a different phone or tablet for each node? Or you just accept the data loss?

[prisma saddle]

multiple devices tablet. old phones. etc.

[inner jay]

I just pick up the conversation where I pick it up really. That or my roof node updates my phone when I connect to it

I don't have a need for message history on the mesh really

And as far as nodes go my heltec desk unit stores 200 on board and the pc it's connected to holds any more than that

If i somehow fill up 4tb of drive space on a nodedb overflow we have bigger problems lol

[leaden crow]

I really only check messages on one of them, and the secondary answer is Portduino.
General:
MaxNodes: 1000
MaxMessageQueue: 1000

[jolly goblet]

So the solution is either nodes with more onboard storage or multiple client devices.

Is there some technical reason why a client device cannot save all the information (nodeDB and messages) for multiple nodes?

[leaden crow]

MCU limits. Build a portduino node.

[umbral ice]

Or sim one that is on the same network as your roof node.

[jolly goblet]

I often have messages that are replies to other messages that just show the replied-to message as "empty". I assume that this is because either (a) my node did not receive the message that was replied to; or (b) my node did receive the message, but it is no longer in memory (either local to the node or on the client device) and therefore shows as empty.

[jolly goblet]

"Build a portuino node" is the "node with more onboard storage" option. Yeah, maybe I should do that. I have many old (and newer) raspberry pis and similar (orange pi, rockpi, etc.) or x86 computers laying around.

But, I have already have a bunch of MCU-based devices, such as my current roof node (a Seeed solar P1) and my future roof node a Station G2 along with a LilyGo, a couple WIO Tracker L1s and some Xaios.

I think my question was not clear. In my question about whether there is a technical reason for not having more information saved on the client, by "client" I was referring to the device (such as an android phone or tablet, or Apple phone or tablet) used to connect to (and interact with) the node. These Apple and Android devices have ample storage (I would think) to keep the data from dozens (or millions) of nodes. Is there some technical reason that, for example, my iPhone must delete all of the node information and messages when I connect to a different node?

I have never developed apps for Android or iOS and I have no idea about the constraints that exists for them. But, it strikes me the phone app could have a database (or file such as JSON, YAML, etc.) for each node to which it has connected that is made active each time the phone app connects to the app that contains the messages, node info, etc.

[leaden crow]

I'm not the right person to answer your iOS or Android questions. I use that client only occasionally.

You should get a Nebra hat kit from @obsidian storm it will run on pretty much any old rpi, although I'd strongly recommend a 64bit one--Zero2w or any 3 variant would be good.

[jolly goblet]

Tell me more about "sim one that is on the same network as your roof node."

Currently, all of my nodes are on the same network--namely MF freq 51. But even if one of them were a portduino, all of the other nodes would still be MCU based, and my phone would delete the nodeDB and message information each time I connect it to a different node.

[umbral ice]

The simulated node is part of meshtasticd and, if you have an ESP32 node that is on WiFi or otherwise connected to your network, you can use Meshtasticd to create a virtual node that would have all the power of a portduino node but without the requirement. You're essentially creating a fake node and transmitting any packets via your network to your real node which then rebroadcasts it as a hop.

[jolly goblet]

I think my fundamental problem is that I misunderstood Meshtastic before buying nodes. I had assumed, evidently wrongly, that the paradigm considers that one might have multiple nodes. I likely assumed this because the nodes are relatively cheap and one could easily deploy many (such as one at the office, one in the car, a mobile one, one at home, etc.

[jolly goblet]

Interesting. I'll look more into that. The Station G2 is ESP32-based. Somewhere, I think I have some ESP32 Xaio boards, that I could us instead of the nRfs.

[umbral ice]

#meshtasticd message

Thats the convo I found to poke at it

[jolly goblet]

When you write, "WiFi or otherwise connected to your network" are you saying an IP-based subnet and not the mesh?

[umbral ice]

Correct

Since the sim node has no actual radio, it has to have a way to get to a real radio. It can do that over UDP through your network where a real radio to take a hop to rebroadcast

[jolly goblet]

I misunderstood. I though you meant the mesh network at first.

[umbral ice]

Ah no worries. I have a very bad habit of letting my brain run faster than my fingers or my mouth and I skip steps often LOL

[jolly goblet]

No problem. I can relate

[inner jay]

https://tenor.com/view/the-more-you-know-adhd-the-more-you-adhd-audhd-add-gif-1101152267835397008

[haughty moon]

If you have a bunch of Pi’s sitting around, set up and run a client on your best positioned node 24/7. That’s what I do. Then you can just remote into it to check messages

If you have a ESP32 device it’s pretty easy with WiFi

But yeah, there’s no reason what you talk about could be implemented. It shouldn’t be this hard

[umbral ice]

I think though, that the issue extends beyond just the device holidng on to things and rather the phone itself wiping messages when swapping from Node A to Node B

[jolly goblet]

Thank you all for the suggestions. I'll read more about that.

[umbral ice]

Cause its definitely a frustration point for me, and why I only connect to a single node on my phone and all other nodes have different means of connection.

[haughty moon]

I agree that it’s a problem, just trying to help provide a solution

[jolly goblet]

Yes, I don't understand why it does this. It strikes me as an odd design decision. And I have been unable to find any information about why it would be designed with this behavior.

This is why I wonder if I assumed (wrongly) that a fundamental idea behind Meshtastic was that a given user might have more than one node. And I've only been aware of Meshtastic rather recently, and I quickly discovered that many users have many nodes. So, I assumed that was part of the design.

And for the first few times I connected my phone to a different node, and lost some of the node info and all the messages, I thought I was doing something wrong.

But I guess discarding that information is the intended behavior. But, I still don't understand why.

[haughty moon]

I don’t think it’s intended behavior, rather it was the simplest implementation and they haven’t changed it to be better yet

[prisma saddle]

i asked about this awhile ago. see this and read in. #apple message

[umbral ice]

Presumably, your phone would have to log a db or something that would keep every message and every nodeinfo in it. Then you'd have to figure out some kind of stale db clean up process and who knows what kind of impact that would have on app stability/performance

[prisma saddle]

@haughty moon @jolly goblet @umbral ice

[haughty moon]

Idk that guy seemed to be listing a lot of problems and not recommending solutions lol. I get it’s hard, but it shouldn’t be impossible?

[inner jay]

SQL is a thing

And scheduled db sweeps don't really impact performance

[prisma saddle]

haha ya. i’m like. profile based. it could do it. login to a profile then switch and go to a different.

[inner jay]

Iirc that kiba app has a db

[keen glen]

I've reset mine on the H2T

[obsidian storm]

I use favorites

Favorites make it so those nodes don't leave your nodedb even if it's full.

it's not a perfect solution but it works for one that I use regularly.

[kind eagle]

I am looking for the MQTT server and login information if anyone has that please.

[umbral ice]

Did you get a roof node you're wanting to uplink data with or are you meaning to get into the meshview sites?

[kind eagle]

into the meshview sites

I don't have a roof setup, but have a good antenna on it's way and have placed my heltec as high as I can.

[umbral ice]

~~#1197577977781821541 message ~~ details are in thsi message

this one is better actually: #1197577977781821541 message

nice!

has mroe information on who is feeding it

[kind eagle]

That is to login to the site, but do I need the MQTT info to have my node show up or is it just the antenna that I have currently is not good enough? I can see other freq51 nodes, receive messages and other can receive my messages. Is there something else that I am doing wrong?

[umbral ice]

As long as your LoRa config has OK to MQTT turned on and you can reach a gateway you should be showing up

[kind eagle]

ok, then maybe it is just the antenna then. I have yet to show up and keep thinking I am missing something else.

[umbral ice]

could be. you're seeing stuff but you may not be getting too far.

[kind eagle]

Thanks for the help

[umbral ice]

No problem!

[inner jay]

Also keep in mind it can take a bit for data to show up in meshview

[real cedar]

@umbral ice @reef ridge could one of you DM me your config .. COMPLETE config and the version of BBS your running of meshing around

Im at the space and am gonna update the node since I gotta kill some time

[reef ridge]

Sure, when I get home.

[jolly goblet]

Good point. Maybe that is the case. Thanks!

[jolly goblet]

Thank you. I've read through those messages. It looks like you've have the same frustration as me. And, based on the replies by Garth, who appears to be the admin for that channel and a Meshtastic developer, connecting multiple nodes to one device without data loss is "not how meshtastic works." #apple message

Some of his answers don't make a lot of sense to me, or are just vague and condescending. For example, when you asked why the app pulls the messages off of a node and forgets them, he replied by saying, "The messages do not live on a [sic] island, there is a lot of data to make messaging work, having them munged together in one database is a security issue."

I'm not sure what it means for messages to live (or not live) on an island, and I doubt that is a technical term. And he claims that DMs using public key infrastructure complicates saving them while simultaneously saying that "mung[ing] messages together in one database is a security issue.

[jolly goblet]

It strikes me that using public key encryption mitigates the security issue of having messages from multiple nodes saved (perhaps "munged" is the Apple world's technical term) on a phone.
Based on the iPhone app's behavior one can deduce that an iPhone saves messages from the most recently-connected node (and info from the nodeDB) in the phone's more-persistent storage (again, I'm unfamiliar with iPhone architecture and behavior, so I'm poorly equipped to speculate too much about this. But, it seems to not be only in some short-term session RAM) because one can close the iPhone app and--provided one hasn't connected to a new node in between--those messages and nodes are still on the phone app when one re-launches the app.
And with public key cryptography, those messages could be stored on the phone in their encrypted state. The private key to decrypt them could even reside on the node (not stored on the phone) and require a connection to the node to decrypt them for a given session. Of course, this would be a tradeoff because the messages would not be available "offline" (i.e. not connected to the relevant node). Whether that is an acceptable trade-off could even be a user preference--store the messages encrypted or in plaintext.

Most importantly, I find it disheartening that (if Garth is to be believed) Meshtastic fundamentally assumes that a person will only connect to one node; or is willing to accept data loss that necessarily comes with connecting to another node. This strikes me as a serious shortcoming. Of course, as I've written earlier, perhaps there are technical reasons that Garth doesn't know, or was unwilling to share with you.

[jolly goblet]

I'm not clear from your post if I am "that guy" or if you mean someone else.

Assuming its me, I'll recommend a solution. Unfortunately, I lack the skills to implement a solution.

I think that cell phone apps should be able store the messages and node information for nodes to which they've previously connected, even if a user connects the app to a different node. It could be an option--meaning one could choose (perhaps on a node by node basis) whether to store messages, node info, or both (and perhaps other information) on the client app for a particular node. There could be limits for the number of messages or node records per node. And perhaps this could even be customizable.

For example, for one node, a phone app user might want to save 200 nodes and 100 messages, and for another node not save any nodes (only the on-node nodedb downloaded when connecting each time) and 200 messages.

I recognize this would take some phone storage. But, I cannot imagine that node records and messages take more than a kilobyte or two each. Let's assume, arguendo, that these are even 5kB each. This would give 200 records per MB. I would gladly allocate 10 MB per node for even a dozen nodes. This would consume a fraction of a percent of the storage on my phone.

There would no doubt be some issues to work through about how to handle node information that becomes stale, or how to roll out messages or node information once limits are reached. But, to some extent, those issues are already a part of the in-node storage, so it wouldn't be novel.

[jolly goblet]

But, one cannot use favorites this way if the node is client_base and the favorites are for nodes with roles other than router or client_mute. Otherwise, the node will act as though it is a router for all messages heard from any of those favorite nodes and re-transmit the messages in the early contention window. And, that can harm the mesh. And it still does nothing for the loss of message history.

[obsidian storm]

For a few nodes, that's not a big deal

[haughty moon]

Yeah no, I wasn't talking about you as that guy haha. I was talking about the dev (Garth?) I have the same frustration and view as you. I have taken only some intro CS classes and not enough experience to weigh in on technical details.

[obsidian storm]

But yeah, it doesn't fix a lot of other problems

[haughty moon]

Your proposed solution makes sense to me and I like it, we just need someone who has the skills to implement it

[jolly goblet]

Is that true? Do we know that?

It is my understanding that client_base allows a node to become a router (re-transmit in the early contention window) to and from any node that it has made a favorite.

My roof node shows 162 nodes of which 23 are client_base. Twenty-three is more than just a few—though perhaps only a few of those 23 have improvidently favorited nodes they shouldn’t. But, as far as I know, we have no way of knowing. And since sending a DM automatically adds a node as a favorite, owners of those 23 nodes might be unwittingly making themselves routers in many instances. Or, they might be deliberately favoriting nodes without understanding the ramifications.

The developers are aware of this problem. https://github.com/meshtastic/firmware/discussions/8367#discussioncomment-14730204 and https://github.com/meshtastic/firmware/pull/7992#issuecomment-3402966039 But it might be a while before it is fixed. And even once fixed, the problem would persist on our mesh until users update their firmware.

[inner jay]

Perhaps only allowing zero hop nodes to be favorited on client_base is a solution

[carmine umbra]

Treasure Valley (Boise) has officially started switching over to Freq51! HPR will be going up tomorrow which should give us the first connection with the rest of the Intermountain mesh 🥳

[inner jay]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-spongebob-excited-woot-gif-425442738971630555

[novel spruce]

As someone looking to switch the roof node to client base, can you confirm my understanding that I should only set my own nodes as favorites. Of which all but one are client_mute

[prisma saddle]

yup you got it right.

all nodes under it.

[radiant wasp]

Anyone see Hayden peak. Because yesterday before we left it was detecting some utah stuff

[haughty moon]

I don’t see it. What’s its node id? What are the expected hops into Utah? Francis Peak (FPR)?

[carmine umbra]

HPR_c312

It was receiving a bunch but not getting any transmissions through.

It showed 2 hops to FPR, though! Once we troubleshoot the tx issue it should be a solid spot.

Nobody here in the valley can see it either, unfortunately.

[haughty moon]

Oof. What was the hardware set up? Please don’t tell me Airbuddy amp…. I had tested a few and most of them have been not so good on Tx

[carmine umbra]

Rak with a JMT amp 😅

https://a.co/d/ijkWoZu

[haughty moon]

Ooh. Yeah same thing different names😬

Some people have had good luck with them, but not me🥲

[carmine umbra]

Malice's seem to work, but this one appears to potentially be causing problems.

I'm going to try and get back up there soon before I can't anymore to test a couple different configurations to get tx to work.

[haughty moon]

I bet it’s the amp. As soon as I pulled it it worked

[umbral ice]

It could be that instead of your amps being unlucky mine is just lucky

Though, I'm going to try to move away from them with 1w nodes anywhere I have one

[obsidian storm]

none of the MQTT feeders have gotten a node info for it yet

[radiant wasp]

Ok, anything tvm?

[obsidian storm]

you can check!
https://meshview.freq51.net

slcmesh
slcmesh

[novel spruce]

I remember seeing a post about ideal antenna dBi being around 6, or maybe 5.8, is there more info I can read up on or testing y'all ran.

Problem statement: today I was testing from Spanish Fork and was able to get a read acknowledge for my private channel. I assumed it would be my 8 dBi roof node but actually the only node of mine that heard it was a 10 dBi heltec v3s sitting in my office 20 feet lower than the roof node and surrounded by brick.

I would have thought, based on the bowl my neighborhood is in, I would need to go lower dBi but the above info is throwing me off here.

[haughty moon]

RF is magic. More testing of your scenario would be interesting.

As for the dBi, we have mountains that allow long distances to be made, so that extra 'focus' of the 'beam' is helpful. That and there are also side lobes that aren't usually shown in the diagrams that are still radiating RF.

[novel spruce]

Yeah this is setting up ham repeaters in Appalachia all over again. Pray for me.

[novel spruce]

Follow up question, depending on my testing on this problem is there a specific cavity filter I should look at?

[inner jay]

The baymesh ones are pretty popular

[leaden crow]

Acasom, Callboost are fine. I would choose the baymesh first.

[novel spruce]

Alright, I know this was asked a month ago but I am not seeing the answer here, on the Web, or the baymesh discord, @obsidian storm where are you buying those filters? And better yet, do you have any extra?

[obsidian storm]

I'm grabbing them from @tight halo ! But I'm about to do another group buy so I'll see if I can add one for you

[novel spruce]

Please and thank you!

[haughty moon]

Can you put me down for 3?

[inner jay]

How much do they run?

[obsidian storm]

$80

[novel spruce]

/jk but at least one but maybe two if there's enough to go around

[whole oxide]

https://www.reddit.com/r/meshtastic/s/URi3pLu7gF

May be of interest

It's a 3d printed cavity filter

Lined with copper tape for the filtering part

[carmine umbra]

That's awesome! I may have to try this out.

[prisma saddle]

@wet galleon HEy buddy you around?

[real cedar]

That can work but you need to make the surface EXTREMELY smooth

Any roughness contributes to insertion losses and affects the cut offs and so on

Ive definitely built something like that before but we used a high end copper tape with actual surface uniformity. But for 915 a lot of stuff wont hurt too much

For microwave it def will

[tight halo]

$90 now, I can't keep up with the volume. Sorry 🙂

[obsidian storm]

no problem

[wet galleon]

Whats up?

Sorry im not on the discord much

[prisma saddle]

hey, was just checking in on if you are working to get lptop switched over to freq51 channel

[wet galleon]

Yeah its on my list
I ran into an issue with the updated encryption keys
Ive gotta connect a node via usb to my PC and update lptop that way

[prisma saddle]

ah ok cool was just checking in 🙂

tried to hit you up on reddit to.. im happy to help if you need help with any of that

[obsidian storm]

I just added a POE build for outdoor nodes on mountain tops, meant to be covered in ice.
https://freq51.net/equipment/poe-node

Let me know if you have any thoughts on the build!

[prisma saddle]

Reminder to all about our weekly net - #1428062080950341775 message

[vital hemlock]

I keep forgetting 🤦‍♂️

https://tenor.com/view/game-of-thrones-shame-ringing-bell-walk-of-shame-gif-13316112511080767236

[manic fractal]

The BBBB-Alerts channel sends out a reminder when the mesh check-in opens. All are welcome to monitor it for the reminder.

[inner jay]

Just make sure it's updated for daylight savings 🤣

[prisma saddle]

@sage sentinel hey hey you around?

[manic fractal]

It’s all automated. Besides, in his defense daylight saving time is stupid in this day and age.

[prisma saddle]

interesting. https://discord.com/channels/867578229534359593/1419667429663182908

[prisma saddle]

#1393378939837349908 message

Best practices for freq51. 👆

[umbral ice]

needs super custom firmware i assume?

[prisma saddle]

dunno. 🤷

[reef ridge]

Isn't there already support for multi radio stuff with Rak?

[umbral ice]

I haven't looked at it tbh

[slate urchin]

Can anyone see our test out side of Eagle MT?

[manic fractal]

Haven’t seen anything but I’m up in West Haven and don’t see everything. Sorry.

[haughty moon]

Just now? What’s the node ID?

[slate urchin]

Just did another from BB or Baird Base

[haughty moon]

Not seeing it…

[slate urchin]

Dang. Okay

[radiant wasp]

Boise and salty lake are now linked

[reef ridge]

Fantastic work from the Idaho team!

Oregon is a stone's throw away, tristate mesh soon?

[radiant wasp]

Oregon is funny enough harder because west is lacking the topography to get those super long reaches

More hills then mountains. If you get what i mean

[umbral ice]

If we can get East Idaho to start up, I want to try to get to Elko NV from Southern ID

But before expansion, I want to reinforce what we have to eliminate struggles and coverage

[radiant wasp]

Ya improved service is a myst before expansion

[leaden crow]

WC1 has line of sight to Evanston, so I think that would be the easiest next state to add.

[vital hemlock]

I’m out by dugway and can receive messages but not get any out. Can anyone trace or message me,

bp1 - 5b84

[leaden crow]

No luck tracing from my nodes

[vital hemlock]

🤷‍♂️

[haughty moon]

Thats interesting. I wonder what you were hearing. We dont really have anything out there

[prisma saddle]

agreed

[thorny sluice]

Hello from Bend OR Utah friends, do y'all have a Discord I can join?

My office is in SLC and I'll be back in your area after new years

[haughty moon]

We have some chatter here, but the majority of our discussion is over here

https://discord.gg/hjK6aa4AFf

However, we have some linkage into Idaho, we span roughly from Boise to nearly Provo

[storm onyx]

Did we just lose FPR? I was having fun testing to twin falls and now our friends are gone. 😞

[umbral ice]

Seems to have its days 😛

[storm onyx]

The mesh is a fickle beast. We need a patron saint of lightning and rf propagation to make offerings to.

[prisma saddle]

still up

[storm onyx]

Weird. Must just be me. My node database shrunk all of a sudden.

[haughty moon]

yeah, the storage on nodes is only 80 or 100 depending on model

[storm onyx]

Gotcha, I was up to 240 and now 99.

[haughty moon]

everytime your phone disconnects and reconnects theres a good chance it loses nodes

[reef ridge]

Bout crapped myself there. There's no snow yet so I'd hazard another trip. 😂

[storm onyx]

Sorry for the false alarm! 🤣

[acoustic mason]

MEC Solar Base is now installed in my roof in central Orem. Seeed Studio solar node running 2.7.13 and configured as CLIENT_BASE.

[hallow dagger]

Any update here? With access we could still have a shot at getting a new NPR in place before the snow flies.

RIP NPR 😢 Anyone know if POTM is still up? I just made the switch to MF but still not seeing it.

[inner jay]

Yeah POTM is still up

[prisma saddle]

Npr is still there. just not on correct presets since we moved. @obsidian storm is aiming for 2.0 this week. depends on the engineers taking him up and the weather.

[hallow dagger]

I thought you said it was ripped down. Did someone put it back up?

[obsidian storm]

It's not ripped down!

Let me get you the picture

[acoustic mason]

Is Lake mountain repeater still up? I couldn't get to Orem from downtown Provo with LOS to lake mountain. but I could go directly from Costco in Orem to my home. Just wondering if Lake is not working at the moment.

[prisma saddle]

ya i got incorrect info from a tooele emergency dept dude. i have still seen it on lf 51

[obsidian storm]

This is just really far for a standard node

That distance is very long

What kind of node were you using?

[obsidian storm]

@hallow dagger If you want to update the settings to medium fast, that would help a ton

If you can't do it because of how old the firmware is, let me know. I think I can get it done!

[obsidian storm]

LAKE could use some upgrades and could be put much higher. But all the way to Provo it's hit or miss

The first trace route didn't complete, but the second one went through really well

I've got a tower that someone is going to let me put something up on Y Mountain in Provo. If I can make that happen, it will help a ton

[inner jay]

G mountain, Y mountain, we"ll have the whole valley covered

[dawn rock]

I was just looking at the node map, that's incredible we're getting traffic through a 260km link from hayden peak to mount harrison

The fact that I'm getting packets all the way 550+ km astounds me. what a community

[dawn rock]

I would love that, I can't talk to any routers where I am but I see all the messages 😠

[inner jay]

Where are you located?

[whole oxide]

In the spring, I'll be putting up a node that has LOS to the mountains above Elko, as well as FPR and NPR

NW Utah, almost due south of y'all

Doesn't have LOS to any of yours because of some of the mountains in between

[umbral ice]

Which mountain? Do you have a HWT of it?

[inner jay]

You talking about the range by George Peak?

Red Butte?

[whole oxide]

A bit further south along the Grouse Creek range

Rocky Pass Peak

[inner jay]

Ah, yeah the south peak of that range

This is what I'm seeing off RPP 20' off the peak

[whole oxide]

Yep. And it has LOS to Hole in the Mountain, which gets Elko and the surrounding area nicely

[acoustic mason]

I was using a Heltec Lora ESP32 v4 at .5w. Still couldn't make it.

[acoustic mason]

My roof node is a standard node. In the spring, I may rebuild it with a Heltec ESP32 v4.

[dawn rock]

I can't message AIDA, it says encrypted send failed. Is there something I can do to fix it?

Fresh reset radio and app, never seen aida before now

[umbral ice]

Just wait until she sees you probably

you can try to exchange info in the app

She's also in Idaho, so it might not be the easiest

depending on where you are, I suppose

Alternatively, you could delete it and wait for it to be rediscovered

[prisma saddle]

Ha ha. lets do it!

[inner jay]

🎵 and I would shout 9000 miles

[inner jay]

Loving this

[kind eagle]

New enclosure and antenna. Let’s see how this works out.

This one was just for laughs at how big the antenna is compared to one of my radios.

[vivid raven]

Got a new antenna installed, but now I feel more sure in the belief that I love in a dead zone.

[umbral ice]

Are you on the Freq51 settings? Have you had any luck outside?

[vivid raven]

I do have them set up, and I have meticulously double checked all of them being tuned right. I was looking at the NPR range map and it looks like I might be right in line with some blockers.

I had the default antenna that comes with it installed until just tonight.

[umbral ice]

NPR isn't on Freq51 as of yet, its awaiting an upgrade. Give these a glance and double check where you're at to see if tehre is anything that should see you? https://freq51.net/infrastructure#routers

And you've got the Freq51 channel set up? I know loads of people who have missed that step

[vivid raven]

NPR is the only one that is remotely close to covering where I am at. I do have the Freq51 channel setup with the 1A== in the PSK field

[umbral ice]

Ok, if thats the case then fingers crossed NPR upgrade happens this week

[vivid raven]

Been crossing my fingers on this antenna doing the job, and also eyeballing places that could use another router.

[umbral ice]

Have you ever used HeyWhatsThat.com?

[vivid raven]

No, but that looks miles helpful

[umbral ice]

I like to start with the spot that I want to get coverage at. so your house lol, then use new panorama to generate LOS to determine where some good high points might be

Repeat for all potential high points until you find something with good coverage

Generally speaking Routers are >7000ft in elevation, Router_Lates are > 5000 ft in elevation, and clients (that still do a ton of work) are everything else that isn't a mobile node

[haughty moon]

can you tell us roughly where you are at? the salt lake valley is pretty well covered

[vivid raven]

North of Tremonton and Garland

[haughty moon]

Oh yep. We don’t have much coverage that far north as you found out. Box Elder Peak, or Inspiration point would help to bring that area in

[umbral ice]

Gunsight Peak was scoped a while back. https://www.heywhatsthat.com/?view=IG99XMVV

But, I don't know how accessible that peak would be before spring and it looks like it would require a hike

Here's a spot that would require special means to deploy. Prime candidate for a trailcam 🤣

https://www.heywhatsthat.com/?view=X84BIR34

[vivid raven]

Thatcher Mountain might have a tad bit better coverage, I was thinking, but then now that I look at it, it's pretty comparable.

https://www.heywhatsthat.com/?view=X84BIR34

[leaden crow]

Hunting trailcams are illegal in UT. It would garner more negative attention than a covert or birdhouse node.

[umbral ice]

Oh really? Wow 🙁

I thought it was a seasonal thing at most

[vivid raven]

It's not a hunting trail cam, it's a deer watching trail cam. One is for finding where the deer are at to shoot, the other is to see where the deer are at to avoid hitting with the car.

[leaden crow]

https://wildlife.utah.gov/trailcams.html
All trail cameras are prohibited on public land from July 31 to Dec. 31

[umbral ice]

I reckon I'll not suggest it then :P. Last one I was asked about I said it was for a timelapse project lmao

[leaden crow]

It will probably happen in ID too.
https://www.outdoorlife.com/conservation/idaho-hunting-technology-limits/
Even if only cellular trailcams get banned, your trailcam node with that Alfa on top is going to look suspect.

[umbral ice]

Yeah I saw that too

It'll get sorted before the time comes

[trim umbra]

hey utah how far into nevada are you reaching?

[haughty moon]

Not yet into Nevada. But we have made it to Boise

[trim umbra]

bro it's like you went around the corner on purpose 😄

want to help us put a node on that hypotenuse?

[haughty moon]

Maybe. What does your coverage look like? How far east do you go?

[trim umbra]

We will start with you and head west

We're all the way in Reno without much inbetween but linking up with you would be motivation

if you want to pop in tonight and talk, we are having our weekly discord meshup @ 6

[haughty moon]

We’ll see. It may be in the future. Your best bet would be getting to Boise. There is a whole lot of nothing in north east Nevada.

We are also hitting the limit of hop counts so making that long of a stretch will be hard with the current state Meshtastic

[trim umbra]

do you all ahve a live map?

[trim umbra]

are you up on desert peak?

[umbral ice]

https://meshview.freq51.net
https://malla.freq51.net

slcmesh
slcmesh```

I'm in southern ID and I really wanna get to Jackpot and Elko. That's my next expansion goal

I've got a guy here who is a helo mechanic but works out of Elko

[haughty moon]

Not yet. Its a popular hiking destination, so we are working on the best way to tackle it to avoid vandalism

i assume you mean deseret peak, not to be confused with desert peak which is private/gov property

[leaden crow]

We are very close to this happening, but probably next year at this point. @whole oxide do you have a map for coverage of your node in NW Utah?

[whole oxide]

@leaden crow this is from the peak I intend to put it on

[haughty moon]

Maybe in the spring when we are doing the ground to ground range record with Don we can put a router on idapah peak

[trim umbra]

you're putting one there?

or @whole oxide is?

[inner jay]

Blood. I just did the pano

[trim umbra]

how do you guys get permission (or do you?)

[umbral ice]

We always recommend getting permission as a best practice.

[leaden crow]

We contact groups who own or have access to the towers. Ham radio clubs, municipal services, television, UTA (transit authority that has towers for radio tracking bus locations).

[trim umbra]

Does that typically work? We are pretty new, only about a month old. Registered as a nonprofit so I want to make sure agreements are in place. We are still devleoping our ideas about how to approach people. Any thoughts?

yeah that's what i've been working on

SNARS and the guys on Razorback by burningman

[leaden crow]

I would say we have only been organized for a year and have a few agreements in place. A lot of these are early in negotiation / implementation.

[trim umbra]

yeah the minnesota mesh is really grassroots, they just have handshake agreements for a lot of their 700+ nodes

we are a little different out here, 85% BLM so i htink formal agreements will be necessary

[real cedar]

I'm sorry I've been so Mia. What have I missed?

[umbral ice]

@real cedar

That's quite the picture 😄

[real cedar]

Yes.. yes it is haha

[wheat kestrel]

I'm pretty sure desert peak is accessible, it's not easy but people go out there and hike it

I want to go up there so bad, crazy views

[storm onyx]

I've summited Desert peak in the Newfoundland range. It's pretty remote.

[trim umbra]

we're in VC on the meshenvy server if anyone wants to jump on and chat

[prisma saddle]

@sage sentinel You up?

[sage sentinel]

What’s up

[prisma saddle]

hey sending a dm.

[white field]

^last night at the Jordanelle

[prisma saddle]

wow very cool!

what kind of camera is that?

[white field]

It was from a full-frame Sony, but you can do this with anything that has an interval shooting mode and manual iso/shutter.

• exposure - 10s
• iso - 1000

I tweaked the colors a bit to fix the exposure + white balance. This is what it looked like before i touched them.

[prisma saddle]

very cool

[white field]

I way over-exposed it

[prisma saddle]

stuff i got on my phone frrom salt aire. deff not that fancy lol

[white field]

I'm curious if it's gonna be clear + stronger tonight like I heard this morning.

If it's doing it again, I might drive to the Salt Flats or up to a mountain ridgeline.

[prisma saddle]

ya it was pretty cool out there mega busy deff a lot less light bleed over.. no city to fight with

[trim umbra]

ok i'm working with @umbral ice in Twin Falls ID to get a path out to him. Does anyone in Utah want to work on a Salt Lake <-> Reno NV path with me?

[haughty moon]

I plan on doing Deseret and Idapah Peaks in the future, but it will probably be next year

[dawn rock]

I'd love to get involved, I'll be moving out to Reno soon

[trim umbra]

no shit? we're over here thinking utah looks good. why Reno?

if you want, jump into the meshenvy discord and we can start planning. we will send you a truck load of nodes and you can place them as you head west 🙂

[dawn rock]

Work stuff mainly, not somewhere I love

[dawn rock]

You got a link?

[trim umbra]

nice... well i've got a good brazillian jiu jitsu school for ya if you're into that

https://discord.gg/gRWAccbEWN

[prisma saddle]

was this time lapse or ?

[white field]

yeah, i think it was about an hour

10s exposures on a 20s interval while my friends and i were watching

[prisma saddle]

very nice!

well done

[rugged jasper]

This link!. . . I gotta stop clicking random links. . . Guys stop showing me links to click!

[trim umbra]

haha well i'm glad you clicked it, we need some utahonians to help us

[rugged jasper]

I think I’m susceptible to scanning QR codes that give viruses.

[vivid raven]

I can see people, most populated list I've had so far.

[vivid raven]

Granted, I still have to leave home for the result I can see people from home

[prisma saddle]

@jolly goblet think you were wondering about this in the past. looks like they are working on it. device memory database #android message

not yet on ios though.

[umbral ice]

BuT sEcUrItY. Isn’t that what Garth was saying? Lmao

[haughty moon]

He was convinced it was not possible

[prisma saddle]

ya dunno. 🤷

[real cedar]

So my buddy was chatting api stuff with the mesh api.. anyone know why this might be happening?

[real cedar]

Vision (tm)

I really want to figure this out. You know the boxes that are for the wiz block. That size node with an rpi zero 2w with Bluetooth, a filter already in there. 4x21700s and USB c fast charging. But how do we get that all in a tiny portable node. It would objectively be the most useful. This would be like the best portable node of all time

https://www.sparkfun.com/sparkfun-power-delivery-board-usb-c-qwiic.html

Heh found that

Now I need a really good lithium ion charger that can buck and charge

https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/pololu/4082/16164501

Excellent found what the power the pi with

[haughty moon]

Link to the case?

[real cedar]

3d printed ROFL

[haughty moon]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-les-simpson-matt-groening-ouff-non-gif-11592092171817688539

[real cedar]

Alright now a buck from the PD module to the pi directly so I can charge the batteries at full rate with this
https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Silvertel/AG105?qs=81r%252BiQLm7BSaqfLoiYK7zA%3D%3D

[haughty moon]

So you doing a Nebra hat or something else?

[real cedar]

Maybe. Hat can be figured out later. I have an adv hat lol
https://www.pololu.com/product/3782/distributors

Okay so I got the buck from the spark fun. Now I need a way to do a power path selector. Something to disable the battery supplied boost power supply when pd is connected and use the PD buck

[real cedar]

Fuck yes. A power mux
https://www.pololu.com/product/2596

That should work

Pi can auto switch to Battery (input two) if input 1 goes low

So in theory this is how all this would work

The pi zero 2 w sits in the box
It has mesh adv hat on it
It gets time and location from an adafruit ultimate GPS also plugged in
The sparkfun PD controller supplies the voltage to the power supply and the ag105 charger
When the PD is available the mux only powers the pi from the PD rail and the PD rail also supplies the battery charge circuit.
When plugged in the pi is not powered on the batteries and the 1S4P 21700 pack charges at 2.5A. slow but as fast as one can do without turning it into a hand warmer lol
The ag105 gives complete statistics to the pi which can also feed that into meshtastic
Meshtastic runs on the pi but also is exposed on Bluetooth for use with the app
When PD is disconnected the power mux automatically switches to the battery powered boost converter rapidly without browning out the pi but we will add some capacitors for good measure

Should just work 😄

One of these fat boys on the mux supply to the pi should prevent brown out
https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/panasonic-electronic-components/EEU-FR0J472/2433502

[haughty moon]

I think you forgot the kitchen sink

[umbral ice]

I’m here for it, because I kind of want to build one lol. What are ideal dimensions? Or are you just shooting for small as possible? What about designing a PCB that has all the things and a slot for the Raspi?

[haughty moon]

im jusk kidding. I would be down for the ultimate pocket node

i bet we could get a group buy

[real cedar]

I was gonna figure that out when stuff gets here tbch

then do measurements

build the adjustable box from printables

but Im headed to Boise on a bus this coming weekend to pickup my sisters old car and drive it down to utah so short on time atm

[umbral ice]

If you want to pop into twin and grab a bite or something I’m down 😄 I get back from this work trip Friday night.

[real cedar]

heh i wont be on the return leg until probably late saturday cuz family but maybe next time im rolling through?

[umbral ice]

For sure! You can test our coverage on the drive up

Or ride up rather

[real cedar]

that was my BOM if you have the hat, pi and batteries

[umbral ice]

I do in fact have all of that.

[real cedar]

there are the digikey parts

BT on the pi should work to connect to the app right?

[umbral ice]

Im not actually sure. I know meshtasticd doesn’t broadcast on wifi without an extra daemon installed

You have to manually connect to the IP

https://www.printables.com/model/787176-rugged-meshtastic-node-usb-power-bank

I would love to remix this into this build

Cut out 2 of the 18650s, size it up to hold the 4 21700s

It wouldn’t be that much bigger

Then get a https://vfcomms.com/shop/antenna/fara-j-antenna-for-meshtastic/ for it

[carmine umbra]

Innocent question from the uncultured: why a raspi for a mobile node?

Obviously more capability and power than a Rak, but curious what your use cases might be.

[umbral ice]

The biggest thing is storage for nodes and messages

[real cedar]

Also can ssh in on mobile lol

Do custom stuff if I want

[manic fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/whatever-southpark-gif-4990391

[leaden crow]

A few thoughts; I think you could actually build this less expensively than a RAK. I have a node for RAing the WC nodes back when I first placed WC1 and could only reach it from a specific window in the valley. It's an RPi Zero2W & DIY hat (~$10). I did use some other stuff I had on hand (Powerbank for power, SD card, antenna, etc.)

It'a really nice for some things, like you can just script your RA commands. Either put them in something like rc.local or crontab (it's nice to have it retry a few times to make sure it goes through). Just power it up from your spot, let it run it's commands. You could do this with the rpi connected to the RAK, but that's more parts, and a less powerful radio.

[pseudo kestrel]

is 2.7.7 (app) crashing on open for anyone else?

[prisma saddle]

yup downgrade gill it’s fixed.

[prisma saddle]

cool idea. maybe i’ll do that with a my hat+.

[leaden crow]

Yes, one other thing I forgot to mention. Meshtasticd will allow you to impersonate a node for RA purposes. You can assign the nodeid in config.yaml (under General > MACAddress), and then assign it the RA key pair. You won't be able to do that with any MCU based node as far as I am aware.

[prisma saddle]

i need to get some more sd cards. to build that out.

using a 125gb for a femtofox. overkill.

cause that’s all i had.

[leaden crow]

It seems they're always on sale Black Friday. If you can wait a couple of weeks.

[prisma saddle]

true. can do.

[leaden crow]

I read somewhere that WS85 weather station was on Amazon Black Friday last year. I might buy one of those if it's on sale again this year.

[prisma saddle]

hmm this or something else? https://www.amazon.com/ECOWITT-Outdoor-Direction-Gateways-Consoles/dp/B0CZNZQ96G/

ah ya the hackaday link you sent me

[leaden crow]

Yeah, I would read the project post on the meshtastic discord. The hackaday one actually doesn't have very many details.
This one:
https://discord.com/channels/867578229534359593/1260693979591082015

[real cedar]

So I'm doing something interesting on the pi zero 2w. Turns out bt-PAN and BLE can connect at the same time. So in app I'll use bt ble to connect but on the phone I'll have a second Bluetooth PAN connection so I can ssh into the pi over Bluetooth with my certificate. Stealthy, secure. No wifi needed

[prisma saddle]

oh nice. we should document all these tips and tricks and builds. unless it’s all secret stuff :).

fyi this dude been working out the config and so on for the new rak pi hat. #meshtasticd message @real cedar @leaden crow

[leaden crow]

Nice! super interested to see if more people do the E22P approach of filter before and after the LNA

[real cedar]

On the Pi:
sudo apt update
sudo apt install bluez bluez-tools

Enable BLE + Classic:
sudo hciconfig hci0 up
sudo hciconfig hci0 piscan

Start PAN (NAP mode):
sudo bt-network -s nap MeshPAN

Give PAN an IP:
echo -e "auto bnep0\niface bnep0 inet static\n address 192.168.5.1\n netmask 255.255.255.0" | sudo tee /etc/network/interfaces.d/bt0

Restart BT:
sudo systemctl restart bluetooth

On your Phone:

1. Pair Pi in Android settings (Classic BT)
2. In Meshtastic app: Add device → Bluetooth (BLE)
3. Back in BT settings: tap Pi → enable “Use for Internet”
4. SSH to: ssh [email protected]

Both BLE (app) + PAN (SSH) work at the same time.

should work on dietpi

[prisma saddle]

cool. i’ll make up some more pages on the site.

[trim umbra]

Just seeing this. I don’t see why this has to be the case. From what I understand, nRF can memory map mini sd to effectively have 16mb or more of addressable flash (littlefs). Don’t quote me on it but I think that’s true.

[prisma saddle]

IF i recall, meshtastic does not support the sd card addon.

[inner jay]

Mesh ui does, but only for maps

[prisma saddle]

Right, but on Rak Devices.. not supported.

[broken turret]

Howdy all :-).

@real cedar How did you folks get on with that noise issue south of SLC?

Was thinking about that today and wondering whether you ended up solving it.

[leaden crow]

We haven't really solved that, but we've seen massive improvement from expanding our mesh and getting some routers both installed and upgraded. This one was installed last week.

[storm onyx]

Huge thanks to those donating the labor, hardware, and smarts to the infrastructure. This is the most reliable it has ever been. I hope all the high sites survive the winter. 🤞

[broken turret]

Are you still looking to solve it? Or are you more seeking to work around it in some way (e.g. have the new sites perhaps resulted in enough signal to have it function even in the face of that noise)? Or just living with it as-is?

[trim umbra]

Can you share more about how that install happened? I’m curious who physically installed it, how the mounting equipment was determined, and of course how the deal was made 🙂

[obsidian storm]

The deal was made by working with contacts within the org who were passionate about meshtastic.

The mounting equipment is the stock Nebra mounting hardware

The tower owner is the one who did the physical install.

[trim umbra]

Thank you! I have a feeling it will be the same for us, we'll need champions from within

[prisma saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-and-morty-season4-rick-sanchez-shooting-gif-16905047

[velvet seal]

I'm interested in getting started with mesh. I'm north end of Utah County. Can anyone give me some direction?

[storm onyx]

I always recommend starting with reading the excellent documentation on supported hardware on the blog. They really have outstanding documentation.

Devices | Supported Hardware Overview | Meshtastic https://share.google/1Xks4OlnO3ksP9PgH

[storm onyx]

And antennas:
LoRa Antennas | Meshtastic https://share.google/Qh3O8mjFjt4DDOJA4

[umbral ice]

Depending on where you’re at knowledge-wise: https://meshtastic.org/docs/getting-started/

and this here is the same link as above, but that’s a google share link that I couldnt open form
https://meshtastic.org/docs/hardware/devices/

https://meshtastic.org/docs/hardware/antennas/

The best question to ask yourself is: what do you want to do with the mesh?

[leaden crow]

Also
https://freq51.net/onboarding
Which also references the excellent Meshtastic documentation. If you're looking for specific hardware recommendations. My favorite personal client device is this one:
https://www.seeedstudio.com/SenseCAP-Card-Tracker-T1000-E-for-Meshtastic-p-5913.html
Most of us end up with a more powerful home/roof node for a persistent connection to the mesh, but I find the trackers are the best first device to own.

[velvet seal]

thanks . I'm just getting into HAM. I have GMRS and prepping for HAM license. I have a particular interest in mesh's capabilities.

[inner jay]

Do you have any hardware yet?

[prisma saddle]

any devices yet or looking into it?

[velvet seal]

no hardware yet and therefore the question.

I'm wanting text and encryption capability

[inner jay]

Well you've come to the right place

[rugged jasper]

We all agree with you. Meshtastic provides this by default.

[hard jungle]

the utah settings are Medium Fast channel 51 right? i cant for the life of me see anyone. but i factory reset i do.

[leaden crow]

You also have to change the default channel.

https://freq51.net/migrate#1-change-the-primary-channel-name-1

[haughty moon]

Yea we changed the channel name and PSK

[hard jungle]

yes i did that also. wierd

[haughty moon]

Where abouts are you located

[hard jungle]

i drove from bountiful to centerville and didnt get anything

bountiful

[leaden crow]

What device is it?

[hard jungle]

thinknode m5 and m1

[leaden crow]

Haven't seen those before. They look nice.
Usually we have people check pigtails and antennas at this point, but I kind of doubt that's your problem with a manufactured device. I'm guessing it doesn't even use a pigtail.

[hard jungle]

nope and i got a longer wip anteanna to try

[leaden crow]

I'm surprised you're not at least getting some stuff populating your nodedb. It makes me think it's still a config problem.

[hard jungle]

i did pick up someone on factory reset. kinda seems like it might be working a

maybe i should do the preset

[leaden crow]

I see it

[hard jungle]

not

[leaden crow]

You need Frequecy Slot 51

Not Frequency Override 51

[hard jungle]

hmm

oh yea RTFM eh

[leaden crow]

Frequency override is an offset (+-) to compensate for any errors in the radio module. You most likely should never have to change that one.

[hard jungle]

so the preset sets it to 51? cuz it says 0 still.

[leaden crow]

Maybe didn't save. Sometimes the app can be buggy and you have to try a couple of times.

[hard jungle]

k

[leaden crow]

Is that the Web UI? I specifically have trouble getting that to save settings sometimes.

[hard jungle]

mac app and the ios app

[prisma saddle]

try changing the override to 914.625 and the freq slot after to 51.

[hard jungle]

i set it manaully then switch to the preset and it worked

[prisma saddle]

cool send a message in freq51 channel

[hard jungle]

now lets see if we get a node 🙂

going outside

[leaden crow]

You get any of the replies?

[prisma saddle]

you should have a spam of replies.

[hard jungle]

woot. yes thanks!

[prisma saddle]

nice!

[hard jungle]

thanks for the assist!

[prisma saddle]

touch of the masters hand. @leaden crow

[leaden crow]

When your nodedb populates, you should try some traceroutes. From Bountiful, VVR and STIR are probably the nodes you'll mesh through.

[haughty moon]

FPR and NPR theoretically should get coverage too, but not as good as those ^ ones

[hard jungle]

ok, i have access to raw iPAWS/EAS if that is ever needed (salt lake)

[prisma saddle]

not bad!

[prisma saddle]

that would be great to feed in.

Bbs nodes would eat that up.

[hard jungle]

does someone already feed into BBBB-Alerts ?

[prisma saddle]

@manic fractal you around?

[prisma saddle]

ya @manic fractal runs the Big beautiful bulletin board node . not sure what info he is connected with.

[hard jungle]

how do i connect to the BBS? I feel 15 again 🙂

[storm onyx]

Send it a DM with "cmd"

[hard jungle]

need to revive hackers haven heh (old bbs back in the modem day)

thanks

[prisma saddle]

lower lights!

[manic fractal]

I’ll look into iPAWS/EAS. It might be in the config file. I’ll check into it. Thanks for the suggestion.

[prisma saddle]

@hard jungle has access.

[storm onyx]

My brother ran HighlandsBBS

[prisma saddle]

I remember calling the Disney BBS and getting in so much trouble for the long distance

[hard jungle]

i have raw data. i recevie the EAS alerts for our tv stuff. im sure it would not be to hard to resend them over a channel

if needed. no biggie

[manic fractal]

Oh yeah, I looked into it. The meshing-around bot can handle both iPAWS and EAS if connected to the web. I had it configured to broadcast alerts already but I did notice that I had entered the FIPS codes incorrectly. I should have FIPS codes being monitored now for these counties: Davis, SLC, Tooele, Utah, and Weber. I also have it monitoring the National Weather Service with SAME codes for the same counties. Let me know if someone else is interested in monitoring another county. It's trivial to lookup and add the FIPS code. Just shoot me a DM here or on the mesh. The node I monitor most is probably Neisseria right now.

[leaden crow]

Some of my current long time friends are people I met through lower lights and other 801 BBSs in the 90's.

[prisma saddle]

haha very cool

[hard jungle]

curious why the wiki says to use medium/fast instead of long/fast ?

saturation?

[haughty moon]

That, which stems from the airtime difference from the different modem presets

[hard jungle]

k

[haughty moon]

For more info, we saw the air channel utilization getting pretty high (above 40% on some nodes). And we were getting many packet collisions, and nodes that were still transmitting and not having enough time to listen.

[inner jay]

"With great density comes higher bandwidth"

[real cedar]

@umbral ice nice connectivity up here man Freq51 stronk

😆

[haughty moon]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-nft-strong-buff-pudgy-gif-26256525

[umbral ice]

Perks of being rural haha

[real cedar]

Dude the bus ride is so much nicer and chiller than a flight

Loving this experience

Got my feet up.. chillin. Running trace routes like a total NEEERRRRDDD

🤣

[haughty moon]

you got the node stuck to the window or going discrete lmao

[real cedar]

It's in my bag

Inside the lower floor of the bus

Surprisingly it's able to do just fine

Bus bros don't know there's another tracker onboard besides their real gps xmitter hah

@umbral ice oy where's Danskin

It's still out there right?

Solid strength in mtn home hopefully. Gonna test that as I pass the peak

[umbral ice]

On LF51. It’s over an hour for me to go RA it and like 2 hours to go up to it one way

Just haven’t had the time

HPR should reach Mtn home tho

[real cedar]

Oooof damn.. I can't wait until it's on MF 51 whenever you get a chance no rush

Hopefully you are able to before the deep snows

[umbral ice]

It doesn’t close. Maybe if @carmine umbra or @radiant wasp is feeling saucy they can go up there too

But yeah it could get snowed in

[radiant wasp]

What

[real cedar]

That would be really good i imagine that would make connectivity extremely consistent across that huge swath of the treasure valley

[radiant wasp]

Ive been summoned

[real cedar]

Heh

Yes

[umbral ice]

Just talking about getting Danskin moved over

[real cedar]

Wanna go RA Danskin router from somewhere .. it's on LF51 and needs a full migration to MF 51

[radiant wasp]

Where is danskin again

[real cedar]

Too bad I can't I'll be in mtn home Saturday..

[umbral ice]

I didn’t put anyone but Sid and I on it, that would be a walk up to the node and BT to it

[real cedar]

It's the peak between Schaefer and Bennet

https://maps.app.goo.gl/hFwdJiLuo1Yg22fx7

[umbral ice]

TBH, it could stand to be moved. No telling what the folks who live up there will do with the trail cam come spring

[radiant wasp]

Yes?

[real cedar]

Si senor

[umbral ice]

There is a small outcropping that would be a way better spot, I just was fresh out of surgery and didn’t feel up to going out there

[real cedar]

In true Idaho fashion.. probably shoot it with a high calibre rifle

[carmine umbra]

Can you drive all the way to it, or gotta hike?

[radiant wasp]

If hike i can do. If a drive probably brown

[real cedar]

You can but I'd go before the snow otherwise your going on snowmobile

[umbral ice]

You can drive up to the last quarter mile

[radiant wasp]

Roads or "roads"

[real cedar]

I drank scotch on my birthday on it with my dad there hah

[umbral ice]

Unless they open the gate when they leave

[real cedar]

Not hard to get to just slow

[umbral ice]

It’s a road they hauled a camper up to the top lol

[radiant wasp]

2wd honda crv good enough

[real cedar]

Probably tbch

I got a Ford focus up it

[radiant wasp]

Ya i probably can do it. Though was going to recollect my south relat

[real cedar]

Then again I've gone up the ridges to rivers system in a focus too so maybe don't take my advice

[carmine umbra]

Are these coords accurate?
https://www.heywhatsthat.com/?view=MTX6FTFP

[umbral ice]

You probably full send that focus in places that a focus shouldn’t go

[real cedar]

Oh totally. Especially out in soshone and craters of the moon

[umbral ice]

Yeah on that tree

[real cedar]

Also that shield volcano remanent near mtn home

Or like 😂 let's go down to Anderson ranch dam in winter

Hahah hehehe pee pee poo poo.. hocus pocus we getting turnt in the focus

[radiant wasp]

I can do it if it's a must. And get my aouth relay another time

[real cedar]

Oh and nearly blew its transmission all over the highway on some random state road in the mojave

[radiant wasp]

Though atleast for Boise my south is probably more important

[real cedar]

Fuck the mojave

[umbral ice]

Yeah. Take care of your south relay

[radiant wasp]

Makes you wish for a nuclear winter

[umbral ice]

Maybe I’ll have time next week. Work had best give me some comp days lol

[real cedar]

I was riding a horse with no name

[umbral ice]

Flying home after a 100 hour Friday to Friday work week in Seattle and San Jose

[radiant wasp]

Ok ill do my south relay this week. Plan to build a birdhouse case for it. So it can go somewhere more town

[carmine umbra]

Yeah, that sounds exhausting lol

I'll check with my family on plans, but I could probably head to Danskin this or next weekend.

My wife might need a breather after Thanksgiving, so taking the kids on a drive might be perfect haha

[real cedar]

You'll need the keys to do it right?

[carmine umbra]

Yeah, I'll coordinate with @umbral ice on getting connected to it.

[radiant wasp]

Oh ya I'll be dead after thanksgiving. Because like hell I'll survive anything with all the heartburn from too much food 😂

Ok so danskin someone is doing maybe next weekend after giving thanks

Да?

[umbral ice]

Could be or depending on my timing I can get up there before Thanksgiving

Actually - if the Heltec v4 solar tests work out with @naive shale I might rebuild and install a v4 in its place

[naive shale]

I am summoned

[real cedar]

Oh and @umbral ice rufio and I lost half our transmission fluid on the way to defcon once too. I just wrench in it.. fix and replace.. and send it back into duty like an M4A2 Sherman Tank

🤣

[real cedar]

See the above Convo haha

[radiant wasp]

What are demons now 😂

[real cedar]

Also Ford said if I get it to 600k on the original engine. They will pay me 10 grand for it back .. original transmission doesn't matter. Goals have been set.

[naive shale]

The summoning rituals being made easier also resulted in a need for far more demons, which lowered the average quality of us demons greatly

[real cedar]

How many mountains can I send it off without harming the engine.. this is an optimization problem. I will not disclose where it's been when sold back rofl

[carmine umbra]

What are you at currently?? 😅

[real cedar]

497,987

Need a new timing chain hah

[radiant wasp]

Ya and the request are so minor now like "can you get the remote for me"

[carmine umbra]

So close

[real cedar]

Oh and it's a clown mobile. I got a mini bike and dirt bike into the rear when removing the bench seat

I swear I got picture hang on

[radiant wasp]

I saw we build a quadcopter that can transport nodes

[real cedar]

Fuck not on this phone

God dammit

It's so fucking funny to see

Ford gonna be like.. how did off road tire marks get on the internal plastic body parts.

That's classified

I've never been accused of being 1) sane or 2) not improvising

[radiant wasp]

If not offroad vehicle why do off road tires fit then?

[real cedar]

I'm glad someone understands me

You know it's always funny how many people think gigantic trucks with big v8s or diesels think that's the best off-road config but truth be told so long as you don't need absolutely massive ground space tolerance.. the lighter the vehicle.. the more maneuverable it is in a sticky situation and more performant it is off road. I'd absolutely take a lighter 2.0 liter turbo off road rally sedan over a truck a lot of the time

Or a dune buggy

You don't need much 😂

[prisma saddle]

is that a wrx?

[real cedar]

Yes ROFL

It's an sti

[prisma saddle]

hahahahahah. nice!!!!

[real cedar]

Specifically

Lmao

[prisma saddle]

DIY Baja!

[real cedar]

Dude I miss when cool builds like that were a thing now truth be told if we could up the electric range to 400-500 mi. I want an off road electric rally car

Come on musk

Giving me cyberpunk future cars

I want ... Where we are going we don't need no stinkin roads level electric cars

Stuck in a ditch. No worries just charge the battery with solar panels and camp until your one dude with a 6x6 super rig can come pull you out 🤣

[haughty moon]

https://drivesierra.com/pages/echo-r

utah company

but probably 6 figures

[real cedar]

Ya know. I like it but I need to go be a CTO first before I'm adding that to my garage

[haughty moon]

oh, starting at 85k

[real cedar]

Game wardens gonna need a helicopter to catch me hahaha

Who am I kidding it's not like I don't have a helicopter at the family hanger in Idaho anyways 🤣

Inb4 can we use it to deploy nodes
Yeah only if you want to sit and wrench on it for months to overhaul the engine

[haughty moon]

engine? they make an EV version

and they also have a cheaper one thats only 60k

[real cedar]

I'm talking about the family helicopter

🚁

[haughty moon]

oh lol

[real cedar]

So if I get rich who wants to buy a fleet of demilitarized MH6 little birds. God damn I've always wanted one of those cute little things. I can push them with one hand

[haughty moon]

well if you're rich, you can just let me borrow one

[prisma saddle]

me to. and we can go node hopping!

[real cedar]

Honestly if I did I probably would. I'd be the type of wealthy person going to burning man on a private jet and flying people home if they were headed to the same area

Gotta have a drinking after party in the air lol

[manic fractal]

Oh man, I love those things. I’ve flown in and out on Blackhawks, and Chinooks but the Little Bird is so agile and quick. I love those guys.

[real cedar]

@umbral ice a stretch goal peak or maybe a next year.. @radiant wasp .. packer John peak.. it sees all the way to McCall and y'all can cover the cabins and the ski resort eventually

https://maps.app.goo.gl/dNtqsTejMmQ2usLt6

It should be able to see Schaefer?

Potentially Hayden but maybe horizon interferes?

[carmine umbra]

Not bad!
https://www.heywhatsthat.com/?view=W1HEET8S

That's to Hayden

[radiant wasp]

Ya im done to hike and set things up

[real cedar]

My dad who works as a director for the Idaho office of emergency management told me his sheriff buddy also scouted the peak and would love a law enforcement repeater on it. So if it doesn't have infra it might get it haha

[carmine umbra]

This Idaho office of emergency management sounds like a good connection to have...

[real cedar]

Ahhh yeah parents big liquor cabinet... This is what I've needed after weeks of stress 😂

They owe me a 350 dollar bar tab from Vegas anyways 🤣

[real cedar]

Yeah it probably is. Haha. But he did say the county sheriff's are often better to cozy up to if you can. County sheriff's, Forest service, wildland fire.

[real cedar]

Alright I got my dad the wismesh card

And he also got a wehooper4 hat for the nebra @leaden crow anyway I can check with the dude directly on shipping and stuff?

He's sending it to me to use one of my Nebras for the build

And my large stock of batteries haha

Then I'll take it up there and install it in Mountain Home first

We will probably need to build a second in sun valley when signal gets up there

But it will mostly not be active in sun valley. It's a summer and winter home only

[leaden crow]

When I bought from him, he shipped USPS and sent the tracking number through PayPal. Took 1 week from order > delivery.

[umbral ice]

I've got a VZW tower that shouldn't get yeeted by some fool for The Sun Valley link on top of Picabo

Should be able to have grid power too

[hard jungle]

This means the node didn’t get my message right? How would I troubleshoot? (Uplink issue?)

[umbral ice]

Yeah. Could be hops or it could have just not gotten there. How many hops are you set to? BBBB is down in UT

[hard jungle]

7

I did a ping from the BBS, I was 2 hops from BBS to me

[umbral ice]

Ok. So it just didn’t make it. Since you’re going through MHR to FPR, there’s a decent chance it just doesn’t make it. Harder to go that way for us than them to come this way. For whatever reason, FPR is a little hard of hearing

[hard jungle]

Mine says 4

Ok

[umbral ice]

Oooh you’re not in ID? My mistake 😮 I thought you were in east ID based on previous comments

So that likely isn’t the case

[hard jungle]

I’m in Utah. Have a biz in Idaho falls

[umbral ice]

Ah that’s where my confusion was

[manic fractal]

Did you work this out? Was it an extended issue or did it just not respond the one time?

[hybrid schooner]

What do y'all recommend as a first node? I want a mobile node. DIY with heltec board? T1000-E? Wio Tracker?

[storm onyx]

Just my opinion but if you're going to operate on battery power a lot of the time, go with any NRF52 chip based device. Much more power efficient. I've been looking at the Wio trackers myself.

For reference I have 2 rak wisblock custom nodes and a Lilygo T-echo. All good devices.

[hard jungle]

it fails more then it succeeds.

[prisma saddle]

t1000e is a must imo. then some sort of roof node a rak or what ever works best for you. Really what works best for you and your use case is what’s best.

[haughty moon]

T Echo is pretty good. I’ve been eying the Wio Trackers as well

[haughty moon]

Has anyone tried the WishMesh Tag to compare it?

[prisma saddle]

think @hoary cliff did.

[carmine umbra]

I've got a couple WisMesh Tags. I love them, but I've never had a t1000e to compare.

[haughty moon]

How long does the battery last?

[carmine umbra]

About 2 days with the GPS on. 3 or 4 days when borrowing GPS from my phone. I haven't done any legitimate testing, though.

[prisma saddle]

pricing wise. i haven’t looked them up.

need to get t1000e or the like for some family members. how’s the tx on it. same as t1000?

[carmine umbra]

I'd love to be able to test that, I'm not totally sure. It obviously doesn't pick up or transmit as well as my Wio Tracker with Gizont whip, but I haven't been frustrated with its abilities at all.

[prisma saddle]

can it hold more than 80 nodes list? or same ish of a rak.

[haughty moon]

I think they both have the nrf chip. So same as rak

[carmine umbra]

Mine actually has 178 on it currently.

My Heltec V3 with all the same settings currently has 220 nodes, so I'm not actually sure what the Tag's cap is.

[umbral ice]

I'm tag/t100 is nrf so only 80

the stuff that is saved beyond that is on your phones db

[trim umbra]

hello utahrians, still looking for people from the SLT area who might like to work toward a NV link. please find me on our discord server (https://discord.gg/gRWAccbEWN) or tag me here. Thank you!

[manic fractal]

That’s a bummer to hear. I’m farther up north and west where the node density really thins out. If I go very far away from my house I can’t hit it either. I think it’s just a matter of letting the mesh in my area mature and fill in. Still, thanks for trying it. I wish everyone could hit it because it’s just fun to mess with.

[ember torrent]

Keep us posted. $110 right now.

[real cedar]

I kinda want this
https://www.dfrobot.com/product-2942.html

Plop it on a raspi. Feed live over meshtastic

wind speed, wind direction, air temperature, relative humidity, atmospheric pressure, light intensity, noise levels, PM2.5, and PM10

[real cedar]

@leaden crow @obsidian storm @prisma saddle at rufio's for Thanksgiving. While they cookin I'm trying to figure out this weird issue. Why would an rpi connected to a heltecv3 show !000000 even after forcing node exchange a trillion times? It's probably the main issue we have up here... His avenues node should see NPR

[leaden crow]

That is not something I've ever seen. If he's got an rpi, we should get him a nebra hat from bash. no reason having that janky heltec hooked up to it.

[real cedar]

I mean when he's down to sure but right now he doesn't care 🤣

I can certifiably say I just tried rofl

I'll probably get him a wehooper hat

[leaden crow]

If you do that, we should put the wehooper hat at the hackerspace and just move my DIY hat from the hackerspace to his node. Either one should work well, but having the filtered hat at the space would probably be optimal?

[umbral ice]

That looks similar to when I connect AIDA to Meshmonitor as a primary and then connect Meshing-around to AIDA via the virtual node server. Any messages that it sees from Virtual AIDA comes up as 0s.

[storm onyx]

Pretty node lonely down here in Spanish Fork today.

[prisma saddle]

hmm ya that’s weird it should be pulling the node id from the heltec.

[real cedar]

It isn't lol

[real cedar]

Not sure why

[haughty moon]

Malice might be onto something, they could be fighting each other

[prisma saddle]

really. hmm. interesting

[umbral ice]

I'm curious - assuming it doesn't show up twice in the node list, does it show up in the mesh with a proper node id?

[spring merlin]

so connect via mqtt is possible on freq51?

struggling to get above the rooftops and trees. I see lots of nodes but can't transmit

[real cedar]

Not really no. That's really old

Hahah

We chose to not do so

[spring merlin]

kk

[leaden crow]

Where are you located and what device / antenna?

[spring merlin]

slc aves, diy solar node using rak and a decent outdoor antenna. it's a shorty but I can't remember the db right now, checking my history

its the 3dBi N-male Rak outdoor fiberglass shorty antenna

I have that and the 9dBi version but from previous reading I was convinced the 3dbi would be better

[leaden crow]

The aves definitely have some dead zones. Do you think you would have line of sight to either of these?
https://meshview.freq51.net/packet_list/2861743464
https://meshview.freq51.net/packet_list/1736609882
You can use this tool to try and figure that out:
https://www.heywhatsthat.com/

[spring merlin]

hmm i don't have a login for this site

[leaden crow]

slcmesh
slcmesh

The RAK should be good antennas. I doubt it's your problem, but if you can bring them to the hackerspace next thursday. I will test them with my NanoVNA.

[spring merlin]

sounds like I just need to get it higher up or better pointed for line of sight. if i reset to long/fast i can transmit. these tools help a lot, thank you!

and thank you for the offer to test my equipment too!

[haughty moon]

If you are up on a roof, you should see NPR. Maybe LAKE and POTM

[spring merlin]

gonna go poke around at the placement, thanks ya'll

[leaden crow]

These 2 antennas?
https://store.rakwireless.com/products/3-dbi-lora-antenna?m=category&index=undefined&variant=32429030539309
https://store.rakwireless.com/products/fiber-glass-antenna?m=category&index=undefined&variant=44238895513798

I would definitely be using the large fiberglass antenna.

[haughty moon]

I would try for south west facing

[leaden crow]

The 3dBi SubG looks like it's tuned to support 860 -930 MHz. In my experience these antennas are sometimes not great SWR at 915MHz. The small single dipole can be really narrow in the frequency they are tuned. I would recommend test both your antennas and pigtails.

[spring merlin]

https://store.rokland.com/products/3-dbi-rak-brand-fiberglass-outdoor-antenna-bracket-mount-for-rak-bobcat-sensecap
the 8dbi looks like my 9dbi one. but the 9 dbi is no longer available, i bought it on sale in early '23

[leaden crow]

It might be the same antenna and they decided to be more honestly about their gain rating? A true 9dB omni is going to be this large:
https://www.dxengineering.com/parts/dmn-BC920

In either case, you should probably be using the large antenna. I'm using an 8.5dB rated Rokland antenna in the valley and it was a huge improvement over a small single dipole.

[spring merlin]

seems likely then, that thing is huge!

and thanks for the push toward swapping Antennas. gonna do that here shortly!

[real cedar]

@obsidian storm so tell me AUR 2.0 has a bme680 or something on it. I may leave AUR OG in place just cuz it has the full scope weather sensor that I placed there for local weather updates

Unless aur2 hasn't been deployed yet?

[obsidian storm]

AHT20 inside of the airtight enclosure

[real cedar]

Ahh I suppose that works for temp and stuff. Yeah I may leave original AUR there or move it to mt wire

Trying to give all my remote nodes bme680s cuz honestly it's a pretty good way to see if it ever got taken down. I.e sudden steadiness day and night of read outs heh

[real cedar]

When does it go up?

[obsidian storm]

It's been up for over a week now

https://meshview.freq51.net/packet_list/3579472290

[real cedar]

Oh geez really? Like on the tower?

Should I change OG aur over

[haughty moon]

short turbo?

[real cedar]

ROFL no. More like change its name, set to client. Leave as backup

Honestly I might name it UNGA BUNGA

Just cuz of the sheer fuck you level of pole hacker I put it on

@obsidian storm

[haughty moon]

It’s on a tower and 1 watt