US CA Bay Area

[blazing pine]

older firmware with neighborinfo enabled will have short lockups and excessive flash writes

(2.3.x except 2.3.4)

[slender pelican]

hmm maybe that's what smoked my heltec

[broken saffron]

lol I just saw this DM to my router

[blazing pine]

[blazing pine]

you know you can reply, yes?

[broken saffron]

yes! I do!

but I thought it was funny and wanted to share

Also just when I had forgotten about the cyberdeck conversations.... headline hacker news is https://www.doscher.com/recovery-kit-version-2/

[blazing pine]

lol I remember him building that

I provided 0 help 😆

[toxic kindle]

I want one of those

[blazing pine]

someone was selling 2 partial kits for cheap a while ago

[broken saffron]

I've got some notes on how I want to build one. More SDR's, Lora radio (obvi), clone of wikipedia. Ethernet switch is... meh. Maybe some way to power an external glinet cellular router. Better screen.

[toxic kindle]

Except if I could make a version with a Mac Mini that would be good

I like Mac OS

[blazing pine]

poe would be nice lol

[broken saffron]

hah. Just buy an MBA... It's got everything you need AND it slices cake

well... I guess they got rid of that feature with the M2 air's

https://www.gl-inet.com/products/gl-x3000/ I got one of these redonc units for internet backup at home when we were having a lot of issues... Maybe I should just put it in a plastic box on the roof. My wife probably wouldnt notice

[blazing pine]

muh cyber🦆

[broken saffron]

ooo very pretty setup

did you build the keyboard ?

[blazing pine]

it's a clockworkpi devterm 😆

all I did was remove the printer, stuff it full of batteries, and do some hardware mods for proper suspend support

also, replaced the dinky heatsink with a thicc chunk of copper.

along with the weight of the batteries, this thing weighs like something from the 1980's

also had to drill the CPU module. too gnarly for pics.

[south seal]

devterm gaming

[rapid jungle]

20M (14mhz)

(plus all of Japan, but the US portion is fun, 1hour shift and instead the entire us hearing my signal, just that band)

[blazing pine]

@sharp mantle 2.3.4

[rapid jungle]

Why does it rain only on the weekend?

[broken saffron]

Because the world hates you

[rapid jungle]

I already knew that, but ruining everyone else's weekend seems a bit extreme

[remote vale]

With all that rain today, might have to put a water wheel on a node to keep it charged

[torn void]

Not me this time

Emailing with a client right now. Might be coming back to raid yalls mesh again

[rapid jungle]

Decent breakfast down the street from me, if you didn't find one that day

[broken saffron]

Totally random: Anyone live in the MacOS world and have a system for "bootstrapping" new machines? I have a dotfiles yada yada repo but the macos config side is a bunch of defaults write commands that have been carried forward for... at least a half dozen version of macos and some are borked and/or do wonky things on the new version of macOS

[blazing pine]

planting a node?

[toxic kindle]

No

[blazing pine]

@earnest bane you should probably expire the neighbors of a node when their position changes by a good amount

[torn void]

I ended up skipping breakfast and getting a nice dinner instead.

[broken saffron]

Someone new in the REAL East Bay hood! Meshtastic 6a38

There is something strange going on with node data on the map. For mine at least. The Station G2 has been unplugged since I put up the new Router, but it shows as online. But the router shows as offline, even though that's the only one with MQTT.

I wonder if there something related to short name collisions....

[blazing pine]

2.3.3 ඞ

[abstract yoke]

I've been away for a week or so. What big bay area news did I miss?

[blazing pine]

2.3.4

[blazing pine]

@earnest bane fascinating.

[earnest bane]

Possible there is hex id collisions, but if that’s the case, you’d likely also see the node completely vanish if another node with the same ID sent a position packet for somewhere else.

I did notice one of my nodes that was completely offline also had the mqtt state timestamp updated, and it’s likely because my server reconnected and the state is resent to the mqtt client since it’s a persisted value.

There is a bug with nodes that use the client proxy, where they get stuck in online state because the LWT is not set correctly in the mobile app.

When you connect to the public mqtt server, it will spit out the current connection state of all known nodes if you sub to the stat topics.

[earnest bane]

Guess I didn’t update this one… and flash got rekt on low voltage last night

That’s fun 😂 it’s up a hill…

Will get replaced with a rak board when they arrive anyway…

Hoping the channels don’t get nuked, and I can still remote manage it..

[slender pelican]

Someone here in the Tracy hills? Just got a message from you in El Dorado Hills.

[toxic kindle]

If anyone here isn’t in the Bay Area discord I would suggest you join, for some reason it’s been getting more activity recently

https://discord.gg/FYFPdJXTwb

[toxic kindle]

Worth it

I was there last year

I got my ticket for 69$

But now I’m getting in for free with a Meshtastic exhibitor pass

Mc hamster applied for a 3rd ticket so will see how that goes

[simple hedge]

Has someone leaked again MQTT nodes into our mesh?

I see 145 nodes since a few days

[blazing pine]

wow

you have epic range

[simple hedge]

I wish I hadn’t 😂

I think that the IOS app added the uptime field recently in the node details

And that causes me to miss the first digit of battery percentage

I should file a bug if there’s not one e already

[blazing pine]

i think there's plenty

fix one issue with the layout and someone else complains about another

[simple hedge]

If my node is running 2.3.4, is there any reason to run it as ‘router & client’ as opposed to just ‘router’?

I do not need to receive messages addressed to it

[blazing pine]

where is node placed?

and now is it powered?

[pure shoal]

You can filter down by distance

[simple hedge]

It’s a solar node, finally on the roof, powered. Name is SCB1

[blazing pine]

router-client for easier configuration, router if you must save as much power as possible

[simple hedge]

Which config becomes harder in router mode? Just asking.

The only goal I had was to avoid receiving messages on this node.

[remote vale]

Use repeater

[blazing pine]

Bluetooth connection

[supple gate]

Today I was up at Sempervirons Point in Santa Cruz County and reached someone in Salinas.

Pretty impressed with the reach with just a 8in omni antenna

[supple gate]

Not sure if they got my message but they showed up in my node list

[toxic kindle]

Surprising amount of people in Salina’s btw

I was passing through there

[supple gate]

I may have to go up there with a better antenna and see if I can do more than just see their node

approxomate location

[torn void]

Going to Fresno Sunday - is there a mesh group for that area ?

[supple gate]

Another shot from Sempervirons Point to Monterey

[simple hedge]

I went up to Mt Umunhum yesterday and saw a node almost in Monterey (Sar 42) using a small rubber ducky antenna

I was SCP1

[remote vale]

Yup, great spot and why the Air Force used that mountain for many years.

[toxic kindle]

That’s a Salinas node

Tons of SAR nodes when I passed through there a week ago

[toxic kindle]

Scp?

Like in scp foundation?

[rapid jungle]

http://qrp-labs.com/lighttrackerplus.html

New? Not 915mhz but interesting

[supple gate]

I was picking up SR42 as well from Highway 9

But much bigger antenna

If it wasn't a state park I would send one up on a drone to see what I could get.

[ripe sierra]

Well this is sweet, never saw this topic. Good morning from San Francisco.

[toxic kindle]

Meshtastic in the air! ✈️ 🪂
Program your Meshtastic device to primary channel name "PM" (Default encryption) and Medium Range / Fast in lora settings. The first jump will take place <t:1714240800:R>. Only program a node that is able to get line of sight of the sky. The name of the node in the sky should be Long Name: "parachutemobile.org 🪂" Short Name: "🪂". If you have any questions please ask me. If you are a ham radio operator you can also listen to 147.570 mhz.

Join the discord for more info

https://discord.gg/GxC8QXrZ

[simple hedge]

As in First and Last name initials Portable

[barren socket]

Yup. So the 3rd letter is P for portable or B for base. Ie: TKb1 is a base repeater, TKp1 is my first portable. Trying to keep it easy to identify our ARES members in the future. 🙂

[blazing pine]

I will be setting up my node <t:1714239000:R>.

[toxic kindle]

You will have the best connection I think to the sky node

They are launching from the east bay

Be sure to record all the logs you get

[blazing pine]

that's gonna be difficult

[blazing pine]

by default encryption you mean AQ== ?

[toxic kindle]

Yes

[simple hedge]

Is it just me, or the battery usage for rak4631 has increased since upgrading to 2.3.6?

[blazing pine]

it's just you

[simple hedge]

I feel relieved then

[toxic kindle]

Wait Gish

You are alive?

Join the discord btw @sleek wraith

https://discord.gg/asZCuEyyEB

[tropic quarry]

How Can i get chnnel id of a channel in the web ui?

Sorry wrong chat 🙂

[toxic kindle]

If you are in the Bay Area then join our discord
https://discord.gg/asZCuEyyEB

[peak radish]

Just found this SFBA group! Got a couple of T-Echos setup and getting my feet wet with this stuff.

[toxic kindle]

@quiet apex Join our new Discord

[remote vale]

A returning node ending in 0F66 is back online and providing a large amount of coverage. Not sure where it's at, but it has great reach.

[blazing pine]

Meshtastic 0f66 first seen <t:1710138695:R>, last seen <t:1715102982:R>

... with 4 hops

and for some reason it's not showing up on mqtt map

[ripe sierra]

Crazy. I was away for maybe a month and there was maybe 20 or so. Now my list is at 98

[toxic kindle]

Yep me too

I got a node inside my house getting 10 now

Nothing on my roof or anything

[blazing pine]

i have 1404 on my logging node

[ripe sierra]

Nothing at my house, although there is one nearby.

My area at home

[blazing pine]

looks like there are a few nodes not on the public channels (but on same frequency)

and there's something interesting going on with HPnet rooftop

[remote vale]

No telemetry and looks like it might be in repeater mode.

[blazing pine]

some nodes with alternate channels...

[peak radish]

I'm in a 1st floor condo canyon and i have amazingly several nodes to choose from.

[peak radish]

"HPnet rooftop" shows up all the time for me in my urban canyon. not sure who owns it or what's the story with that node.

[blazing pine]

it probably has a few stories... below it

[peak radish]

between HPnet and Discone, i think i don't even need to bother putting a node outside on my 1st floor patio lol

Also, bears spamming from time to time, there's a standalone Discord for SFBA: https://discord.gg/asZCuEyyEB

[blazing pine]

@earnest bane great time to do some science and see how the storm is affecting gps, if you log that 😆

[earnest bane]

Map only logs the current gps position. I haven’t got around to logging position over time. But that would have been interesting to see for sure 😂

[blazing pine]

@earnest bane the nodes api output could really use some protobuf action. 11MB

[earnest bane]

Lmao, yeah it’s chunky 😂 12k nodes lol

I could probably do that for the map ui to make it more performant and low latency, but json apis are way nicer to consume…

[blazing pine]

simply renaming all the labels to 2 or 3 characters should help massively lol

[earnest bane]

It would, but it makes the api look shit 🙂

[blazing pine]

and round some numbers

have a separate output just for the map

[earnest bane]

Maybe there will be a /api/v2 one day

I consistently have 30-100 people on the map at any time. Multiply that by 11mb per visitor per day 😂😂

~25GB traffic per day I guess

[blazing pine]

TX packets 14098182133  bytes 7566161509205 (6.8 TiB)```

[earnest bane]

That doesn’t include the continuous stream from MQTT downlink either

[blazing pine]

plutoboofs on mqtt though, yeh?

[earnest bane]

Yeah

Still, every single packet tho

It’s fine, I run on fibre 🙂

[blazing pine]

me too. my upstream sorta sucks at 6Gbit though

[earnest bane]

Wow

I’m around 900/600Mbit 😂😂

I haven’t upgraded any devices to 5G mobile networks yet either

[blazing pine]

i'll never do 5G. wired is the way to go

[earnest bane]

Be interesting to see you wired in walking up a street 😳

[blazing pine]

i turned off 5G on my phone

https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/f1101dbc-4620-4e9b-97b0-9b0c8d6c8bbf upload speeds really sucking today. jumps between 5Gbps and 8Gbps

also, eating like 15GB for each speed test, heh.

having fond memories of the 14.4k dialup days.

spending months to download netscape communicator

[earnest bane]

I used to play RuneScape on 56k dialup 😂

Those were the days

[blazing pine]

I was very late to the 56k game. flea market equipment 🫠

but on the bright side, I never paid for dialup

I remember my last dialup internet was from an EarthLink server I kinda exploited

valid username; random password. oh, wrong password? start up PPPd anyways!

downside is it timed out every 24 hours due to wrong password...

had my fancy us robotics modem disconnect internet and hold the connection on incoming phone calls too

[torn void]

LOL

i took a 56K modem offline in 2018

used by my old company at a site office for some reason.

They paid 300/mo for it.

old US robotics modem

[toxic kindle]

@earnest bane Weird stuff going on bc I have the same ID as another node

This node replaced mine on the map

I think its from oregon

And it thinks its in my place

[blazing pine]

same hex id?

[toxic kindle]

same ID

[blazing pine]

if so, then it'll be very difficult to "fix"

[toxic kindle]

Same Hex and same ID

[blazing pine]

awesome. same device too?

[toxic kindle]

yeah

[blazing pine]

much ඞ

[toxic kindle]

Imma go over to oregon chat and tell the guy to change his id lol

[blazing pine]

LOL

one of you may need custom firmware if you want to fix it from the node end

[earnest bane]

Yeah, not sure what I can do to fix it tbh. Downside of non unique ids

Is the mac address exposed?

I can't recall

if it was, I could use that

[blazing pine]

probably not

actually, lemme check

[earnest bane]

I know it was on the User protobuf, but not sure if that was sent out at all

haven't looked in a while

was also marked as deprecated

[blazing pine]

oh hey it is exposed

[earnest bane]

but yea, very annoying 😄

whereabouts?

if I can access the info from mqtt packets, I can add it to the db to update based on both columns

[blazing pine]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[earnest bane]

wouldn't help if both of the nodes were using the MapReport method for reporting themselves though

[pure shoal]

It is the MAC address

[blazing pine]

what is your node's mac address?

[toxic kindle]

idk how to find that

[blazing pine]

Meshtastic cli ?

[earnest bane]

Ahh I see, I hadn't looked into it enough to know. Just looked through mac address/node numbers and can see it uses the last 4 bytes of the mac, and the first 2 vendor bytes are not used, as they are the same across other devices from the same vendor.

here's a paste of some devices from my logs

"num": 353259220,
"user": {
  "id": "!99a34093",
  "longName": "RAK 4ed4",
  "shortName": "RAK",
  "macaddr": "ee:0d:99:a3:40:93",
  "hwModel": "RAK4631"
},

"num": 862244252,
"user": {
  "id": "!3364cd9c",
  "longName": "Meshtastic cd9c",
  "shortName": "cd9c",
  "macaddr": "64:e8:33:64:cd:9c",
  "hwModel": "HELTEC_WIRELESS_TRACKER"
},

"num": 862247328,
"user": {
  "id": "!3364d9a0",
  "longName": "Meshtastic d9a0",
  "shortName": "d9a0",
  "macaddr": "64:e8:33:64:d9:a0",
  "hwModel": "HELTEC_WIRELESS_TRACKER"
},

"num": 862247228,
"user": {
  "id": "!3364d93c",
  "longName": "Meshtastic d93c",
  "shortName": "d93c",
  "macaddr": "64:e8:33:64:d9:3c",
  "hwModel": "HELTEC_WIRELESS_TRACKER"
},

"num": 3663946828,
"user": {
  "id": "!da63644c",
  "longName": "Meshtastic 644c",
  "shortName": "644c",
  "macaddr": "34:b7:da:63:64:4c",
  "hwModel": "HELTEC_V3"
},

"num": 3663943920,
"user": {
  "id": "!da6358f0",
  "longName": "Meshtastic 58f0",
  "shortName": "58f0",
  "macaddr": "34:b7:da:63:58:f0",
  "hwModel": "HELTEC_V3"
},

[blazing pine]

sounds like a rak problem 😆

@toxic kindle contact rak and ask them for advice

[earnest bane]

unfortunate if there's multiple devices from same vendor with the same mac lmao

[blazing pine]

does mac come from rak or Lora chip?

[earnest bane]

both macs are likely to be ee:0d:f5:3f:44:1f

guessing rak is using ee:0d as vendor prefix

The MAC address does not belong to any registered block.

very cool

another rak, has a different vendor prefix

"num": 1917153984,
"user": {
  "id": "!724572c0",
  "longName": "Liam - Solar Boi",
  "shortName": "GS04",
  "macaddr": "d8:d4:72:45:72:c0",
  "hwModel": "RAK4631"
 },

also not registered

[blazing pine]

maybe there's hope yet

[earnest bane]

the heltec wireless trackers both have 64:e8 as prefix, and are registered as Espressif vendor
the heltec v3 both have 34:b7 as prefix, and are registered as Espressif vendor as well

but the raks look to be using random bytes as prefix

and are not registered

so, I guess, entirely possible that the two raks that are colliding with node id, have the same last 4 bytes, but likely different first 2 bytes

but I'm assuming the first 2 bytes are ignored by meshtastic firmware

have not looked into it at all

[blazing pine]

correct

much random

[toxic kindle]

@earnest bane A feature that I would like to see is being able to filter by root topic, because I dont want to see other nodes that take time to render plus it might solve the issue im facing.

[earnest bane]

Yeah, issue with that is having to log all those topics to the database. Without thinking about it too much, I also think if multiple mqtt uplinks were uplinking in different topics, the nodes would fluctuate with which topic it is associated with

One thing I was thinking of implementing, was a bounding box in the url. To only return nodes inside a geofence.

Alternative is to run your own mqtt server and host the map that way you avoid having the entire world nodes having to load at all

[toxic kindle]

@rapid jungle

[pure shoal]

Nordic does not use a vendor prefix

Neither is easy but I believe you can change the mac on either platform

[toxic kindle]

https://bayme.sh

[polar rover]

Having fun W1FRD

Fairfield

[toxic kindle]

Hey, join our discord group at

https://bayme.sh

[paper talon]

Hi Fred, saw you on vaca

[polar rover]

Took my Heltec V3 node to lunch. It’s in client mode.

My friend put one on Mtn Vaca and one on Mtn Diablo last week.

[barren socket]

A lot more people are here so hope you join us: https://bayme.sh

It's a different discord server

[blazing pine]

update firmware

[polar rover]

I know

[slim vector]

I remember the days of messaging every node in my list. I see one of my nodes in there! Were you on Vaca at the time?

Next time I visit that node I'll check to see if your message was received. Did you send anything out on the default channel?

[broken saffron]

For anyone who happens to be checking the main discord, The Bay Area Meshtastic group is not dead! We're very active on our own discord (https://discord.gg/GpsKbhGJx5 - with 250 members!), we also recently re-launcehed our website with a lot more documentation and resources for new and experienced users alike! https://bayme.sh/

[quiet apex]

Node at my house. 2FAA is a node in the garage at ground level.

[toxic kindle]

https://www.meetup.com/hackerdojo/events/303492618/

[snow lintel]

In Oakland

[cold oxide]

Hey all, trying to build out the mesh on Alameda, but I'm not hitting anyone as far as I can tell. Any recommendations for better antenna. I have a repeater (WhiskeyEchoBase / WEb1) raised up about as high as I can place it. Is anyone seeing it?

[toxic kindle]

Come join our discord

https://discord.gg/GpsKbhGJx5