US CA Bay Area

[earnest bane]

halfway there with tapback I guess

would require proxying the mqtt connection from api server to web client over websocket, since the mqtt servers don't support websocket by default, and can't connect to it in browser

[broken saffron]

emqx can do it

[earnest bane]

I do find myself clicking the reload button to update nodes a lot tho

[broken saffron]

https://www.emqx.com/en/blog/connect-to-mqtt-broker-with-websocket

[blazing pine]

downside: more load on server due to mqtt proxying. upside: less load on server due to less people refreshing/reloading

[earnest bane]

yeah

aprs does live updates to map

so many packets though, browser would probably go brrrr with lag

[broken saffron]

I think the challenge would be.... dealing with protobuf in browser?

[earnest bane]

that's doable

[broken saffron]

ah so it is https://github.com/protobufjs/protobuf.js

[earnest bane]

protobufjs is good

have done this before

[broken saffron]

but yea, that'd be a lot of traffic for a browser to deal with. Most of which isn't important for the browser client. Dupe (json/protobuf) and data that doesn't really need to be real time

[blazing pine]

y my browser already go brrrr

[earnest bane]

yeah, I would likely clean it up server side. server connects to mqtt, and sends small deduped packets to browser over websocket

I feel the lag when cluster is off

[blazing pine]

my potato's fan is screaming.

UK has chicken pox

[earnest bane]

forever remember

the derp is no more

will fix the issue where your updated waypoint should have marked as expired

db was only querying for non expired waypoints, and then ensuring it only used the latest

but it should use the latest expired too

[blazing pine]

indeed

[remote vale]

Fun map. Thank you!

[blazing pine]

for posterity

[earnest bane]

expired waypoints are hidden from ui now

[blazing pine]

i think the nodes max age should apply to waypoints too

or maybe have a separate option

[earnest bane]

maybe a waypoints max age

added

so much cleaner...

[blazing pine]

any way to fix up the neighbor links? when there's a link both ways, maybe have it stop at the center between the two nodes?

[earnest bane]

yeah, I've been thinking about this for the last few days

atm, if there a link 2 ways, it's darker, due to opacity mixing

but I'm still thinking on how to do this

[blazing pine]

or apply an offset and use a different color?

[earnest bane]

lines overlapping etc

[blazing pine]

or gradient!

[earnest bane]

my initial thought, was curved lines, with an arrow pointing from in the direction of tx

buldge them out

I'll find an example

like these

random google pic

[blazing pine]

i like straight lines better... it being rf and all

[earnest bane]

same

maybe offset like you said, but there would have to be some sort of funky lines to join them back up to original point if offset from center

[blazing pine]

offset only a little 😛

[earnest bane]

being able to hover over nodes, and see the lines from it, to the neighbours heard or transmitted to would be neat. but have to think about it more

[earnest bane]

still an issue if lots of neighbours

[blazing pine]

https://meshtastic.liamcottle.net/?lat=37.80175644112801&lng=237.79328942298892&zoom=16 i'ma firin' muh lazer!!1

[earnest bane]

short distance too, so no mqtt 😄

actual links eh?

[blazing pine]

of course!

[earnest bane]

very nice

yeah, need to get those links more readable

[blazing pine]

also, wen miles vs kilometers?

[earnest bane]

metric better 😛

I could add a setting to toggle showing km/mi but would be converted to mi after the fact

[blazing pine]

doesn't sound too bad

[earnest bane]

I'll probably forget about this one, but if you really want it, open as issue in repo and I'll get to it

[blazing pine]

i don't really want it. other people do!

[earnest bane]

they can open an issue then 😄

found a plugin that can do pixel offsets for polylines

will need to polish more than 1px offset, but that does help a bit

[broken saffron]

oh, here I thought you meant you'd offset the center of everything by 1 or 2px, just to drive the perfectionists mad

[earnest bane]

still pretty hard to look at even when doing the pixel offsets, because there's too many lines going between other nodes

I'm playing with a new ui, to only show lines for a specific node

[blazing pine]

too much clicking xD

[earnest bane]

a bit yeah, I like the idea of hovering a node to auto show the lines, but that's not something that will work on mobile

want it to be consistent experience on desktop and mobile

[blazing pine]

also, gotta tap like 10+ times on mobile to hit a line lol

[earnest bane]

and then if you hover, how do you switch from "heard them" to "heard us"

rekt

yeah

I mean, I could make them thiccccccer

but then it's still ugly because too many lines

[blazing pine]

wen color lines based on SNR?

[earnest bane]

probably after the above

[blazing pine]

if you have line colors there will be less need to click on lines

also, line/neighborinfo expiry is a mystery

[earnest bane]

yep, but also think we need this single node display as well. otherwise if lines are shown for all nodes that exist, the colours will merge due to opacity

[blazing pine]

mmm,

[earnest bane]

and if no opacity, hides other lines, without that offset

so many things

[earnest bane]

last neighbour info packet I get, is what is shown

and has the timestamp

[blazing pine]

and no expire? 👀

[earnest bane]

not currently

just expire the whole node for now 😄

[blazing pine]

time for yet another option

[broken saffron]

ALL THE OPTIONS

Map that requires a PHD to operate?

[blazing pine]

needs moar historical neighbors too

[broken saffron]

I mean the map doesn't allow us to filter by MQTT topic yet...

[earnest bane]

I was going to add a filter based on lora region, but that only works for nodes that can upload map reports directly to mqtt

[blazing pine]

we have no idea where the nodes come from. we only know it's magic.

but for the times when you really want to know, there's meshmap.net lol

[broken saffron]

oh thats true, I forgot about that

[earnest bane]

yeah, mine only shows the mqtt topics that the node itself send packets to, and not the topics another node sent that nodes packets to

also, I think that's disabled now too

since I don't collect the service envelopes anymore

I will revisit that later I think

[remote vale]

More cow bell

[remote vale]

https://tenor.com/view/cowbell-gif-22229766

[toxic kindle]

I have infiltrated the sussex chat

[blazing pine]

https://youtu.be/ctIbXWIHVXo?si=gv2kDyamlmmCCCGN&t=199 not enough cowbell

[fleet bridge]

how does one win at violin?

[blazing pine]

it's all rigged

[remote vale]

Great talent. Definitely low on cow bell.

[blazing pine]

@torn void Otto

and something something hotel california

[toxic kindle]

@blazing pine Having an issue where gps doesn’t update on T beam supreme even when moving with the smart position

I sent a location request thing and it updated location

But not automatically

[blazing pine]

are you checking from client or from another node?

[toxic kindle]

Client

[blazing pine]

weird. i thought that was a problem with the android client.

[torn void]

Made it out 😛

total number of nodes seen during the trip was 170 BTW

HOU- LAX - OAK - BWI - HOU

[blazing pine]

but how many were seen with no nodeinfo?

[torn void]

not sure.

I want to work on this, maybe automate some stuff using a secon uC

[blazing pine]

write your own protobarf logger

[torn void]

im teaching my self python right now.

will be a nice project to take on.

Currently working on a system to log temps using a IR camera over a conveying system 🙂

Thinking about using meshtastic to communicate the readings

Totally not me wanting to put " repeaters" at ports on high structures like 400ft cranes 😛

[blazing pine]

plant a node, grow a mesh

I'm currently collecting parts to build three "throwaway" solar nodes

[torn void]

I have 30 RAKs let me know if you need some/ cant find anywhere

[blazing pine]

!! why so many

[torn void]

because it was cheaper per unit when ordering from china

My thought was i can sell them for 35 a pop to people that need them and at the same time it funds my attempt to grow the Houston Mesh

dollar less the ordering from rokland 😛

i make like 4 bucks per unit. #GettingRich

[blazing pine]

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804946329924.html buy the rest of this. sell pre built for more monies

comes with PCB mount w/ bt&Lora antennas

buy all 13 of them. save muh wallet

because I don't wanna have to buy 13 more Meshtastic kits and batteries and solar panels

[torn void]

i may make an order.

but thats gonna be after i close out current projects. Got too much going on and i may have over spent a bit with the nodes.

it was " only" 800 bucks ish

[blazing pine]

they might be sold out by then lol

you know it's a major pricing error, yeh?

[torn void]

no.

i did not know that

[blazing pine]

if you buy them all it ends up being like $12-13 each whereas they're normally $33+shipping each

[torn void]

done

hehe 0 left 😛

[blazing pine]

I'm happy with my 3 😆

[torn void]

came out to 121 for all 13

about 9 bucks per unit shipped

[blazing pine]

much cheapo \o/

[torn void]

I got 5 volt regulated solar pannels. can i just plug that in to the charge port on a RAK?

[blazing pine]

yep!

[torn void]

Sweet! got like 5 pannels here, gonna make some cool nodes 🙂

might sell 4-5 of them too just to recoop cost.

thanks for the heads up 🙂 \

[blazing pine]

you're welcome

[torn void]

I wish the cube cell could run meshtastic

[blazing pine]

it's too potato

[simple hedge]

I think that's because the NodeBroadcast interval is >= 1h (at least in the App), while Nodes can be learned from other packets too.

[blazing pine]

5 minutes

it was changed recently from 1 minute, I believe

[simple hedge]

The dropdown on my iPhone doesn’t show anything less than 1h. But I don’t know what the device would really accept via the yaml config

[blazing pine]

keep it at 3h. nodeinfo is automagically sent/requested when needed, with 5m minimum cooldown

[broken saffron]

what panel? I found one on Amazon that's basically just USB out that I was going to use with my Rak. Hoping it doesn't do anything too stupid

[blazing pine]

always check voltage first

[broken saffron]

ya

[blazing pine]

saw this on Facebook

[broken saffron]

Nice

[blazing pine]

18650s in series, plugged into solar input port

[broken saffron]

oh uh.... yea... so... that's gonna have a REAL short lifespan

Sorry, discord is on a side monitor and the image is teeeeeeeeeeny tiny.

[blazing pine]

pretty surprised the red led is lit

[broken saffron]

@earnest bane I blame you for this adventure

[broken saffron]

I mean.... LED's work above their rated voltage, they glow really bright too! just... very briefly

I just had to check to see if maybe there was more wiggle room on the solar port

yea, no. Unless those 18650 were dead dead, then something on that board is gonna be dead dead.

this might be my lack of deep electrical understanding. But how does one get NEGATIVE voltage. I understand wiring things backwards = bad, but... negative volts?

[blazing pine]

that can happen with many things

like maybe even a solar panel at night ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[torn void]

https://a.co/d/cQMCKZP

This is what I got

[broken saffron]

Thanks. Looks similar to what I was looking at. USB solar

“USB”

[torn void]

When I have a chance I’m going to probe its voltage.

[blazing pine]

I'm guessing 5.1-5.2v

[torn void]

I heard that some don’t regulate the voltage and relies on the panel output

Just want to confirm

[broken saffron]

Oh, I'd be shocked if many were regulated. Cheap chinese dodads and all that

[blazing pine]

I'm pretty sure almost all the [non-scam] ones with USB connection are regulated

[torn void]

As Regan said. Trust but verify.

I assume it’s regulated but gonna test it before I connect other things to it

[blazing pine]

after looking closely at review pictures, the panel is a "6v" panel, so would potentially be outputting >7v if unregulated

kinda weird. I would assume those things would use a 7-12v panel

(usually 9v)

https://www.amazon.com/Security-Adjustable-Waterproof-Rechargeable-Battery/dp/B0CN96W45R 7v panel, for example

BUT fishy thing: the review photos for that one show either 6v or 12v panel

i'm thinking 6v.

[torn void]

Maybe they are using a buck converter to get the wattage

At lower voltage

[blazing pine]

buck 1v

[toxic kindle]

@blazing pine If a channel is named differently than the default does that change the frequency?

[blazing pine]

depends on settings, but generally yes

[toxic kindle]

Can you generate a QR code code for a primary channel called “Parachute Mobile” and default encryption. I just need to send a quick email and I’m a bit busy rn.

If you can’t that’s fine I’ll just do it when I get back

[blazing pine]

i have 2 hanfs and mouth full of food right now

[simple hedge]

Can you explain how? I lived in a world where I assumed that only the channel ID was influencing the actually radio frequency 🤪

[blazing pine]

by channel id i assume uou mean channel hash?

and channel hash is generated from channel name + key

[simple hedge]

I thought the numeric index was the only input to the frequency

Let me try to find some documentation

[blazing pine]

index only affect primary/secondary

[simple hedge]

Chat Channels and LoRa Frequency Slots

Previously, Meshtastic used the word "channels" to define two different configuration properties: Messaging Channels & LoRa Channel Numbers. However, this could lead to confusion since "channels" was being used to refer to two distinct concepts. To clarify the distinction, the decision was made to change "LoRa Channel Number" to "LoRa Frequency Slot".

Just found the calculator!

[blazing pine]

https://meshtastic.org/docs/configuration/tips/#creating-a-private-primary-with-default-secondary this part

If your LoRa frequency slot is set to the default (0), the radio's transmit frequency will be automatically changed based on your PRIMARY channel's name. In this case, you will have to manually set it back to your region's default (in LoRa settings) in order to interface with users on the default slot:

[simple hedge]

I finally get it now

[pure shoal]

And is only client side, never goes over Lora

[blazing pine]

indeed

[blazing pine]

welcome to the yay area, btw

[blazing pine]

@pure shoal

[blazing pine]

@earnest bane

I guess that's why neighbors be disabled by default currently?

[earnest bane]

Yep. Because of the MQTT garbage

No way all of those are real neighbours

[blazing pine]

needs a bit more trig in them offsets

[blazing pine]

those are real neighbors

all of them 👀

[earnest bane]

Rly

Wew

I have a new button btw

Can show neighbours for specific nodes

It turns off neighbours layer

Might need page refresh to show up

[blazing pine]

how about this for desktop users: click node once to see neighbors, click again to toggle heard stuff

[earnest bane]

I played with showing both TX/RX neighbours at the same time and it looked bad

But yeah, I will play more with how things show up

Too many clicks atm

[blazing pine]

the green/red is for SNR, yeh?

[earnest bane]

Yes

Green positive, red negative

[blazing pine]

i think it maybe be better to adjust it to some other arbitrary value

-8? -10?

or at whatever point reliable becomes partly unreliable

[earnest bane]

Would need to be a config setting probably

[blazing pine]

gradient xD

[earnest bane]

Hard to see really

Without making the lines thicker

[blazing pine]

indeed

[earnest bane]

Then making them thicker hides others

[blazing pine]

fun

[earnest bane]

Trying to keep it simple

[blazing pine]

how about using them arrows as hitboxes to select/view neighbor line info

then you can somehow show both in/out

them lines are pretty hard to hit even with a mouse lol

[earnest bane]

That’s an external plugin. No click events, and probably wouldn’t be immediately apparent to click those.

Probably just have to increase the width of the lines

I did have them thicker in testing but removed that before pushing to prod.

Will play some more later.

[blazing pine]

perhaps one day i can make this connection... 53km!

[toxic kindle]

Maybe when someone goes to Mt Umunhum

[blazing pine]

or maybe this is more feasible

because tiny antenna

@earnest bane i noticed zooming with scroll goes in large steps. maybe it's double-zooming?

ah happens on meshmap.net too

[earnest bane]

Haven’t noticed that? My PC mouse clicks per scroll. Maybe you zooming multiple idk

[blazing pine]

i have a scroll ring. seems to work right everywhere else.

see if your scroll equals the zoom using "-" and "=" on keyboard

also happens on openstreepmap.org. hmmm

time for windows 10 vm!

works right in the VM

okay the double-scrolling is happening somewhere in my window manager or xserver

for some reason it works right in gqrx (qt)

also works in geeqie (gtk)

however, xev shows two events on each scroll "click"

ButtonPress event, serial 34, synthetic NO, window 0xc00001,
    root 0x57d, subw 0x0, time 43087755, (516,9), root:(1599,957),
    state 0x0, button 5, same_screen YES

ButtonRelease event, serial 34, synthetic NO, window 0xc00001,
    root 0x57d, subw 0x0, time 43087755, (516,9), root:(1599,957),
    state 0x1000, button 5, same_screen YES

[earnest bane]

That’s fun bug lol

[blazing pine]

https://www.quirksmode.org/dom/events/tests/scroll.html behaves the same in both linux chrome and windohs vm chrome

[blazing pine]

https://github.com/Leaflet/Leaflet/issues/7403 apparently other people have similar problems

[earnest bane]

That’s fun… comments were saying fix was being added to 1.9.0, but I’m already using 1.9.3

[blazing pine]

arrrgh i can't figure it out. even regular webpages scroll at "half speed" on windohs vm compared to linux

most people seem to complain about too slow a scrolling speed

i have scroll ring so it doesn't matter to me as i could scroll thousands of lines in one go

apparently i can send 53 scroll events with a flick of a finger

compared to 3-6 on a regular mouse wheel

418 events in 10 seconds with light scrolling. 838 events in 10 seconds through flicking.

[earnest bane]

Crazy

[blazing pine]

it's how i go through a whole day's security camera footage in minutes, lol

also good for going through EULAs

... but it's not free. i measure about 15 additional watts energy consumption flicking through a long webpage

pagedown button uses 2-3 watts

holding pagedown button uses 9-11 watts

[blazing pine]

PROGRESS! changing page zoom to 150% makes scroll zooming work 1 step at a time

so i guess it's a osm/map bug after all. durp.

or some sort of weird dpi issue...

and on windohs vm, once page zoom goes down to 50%, it starts double-zooming on scroll

[earnest bane]

Yeah that’s just annoying 😂😂

[blazing pine]

at least now I know I'm not crazy

[rapid jungle]

@blazing pine

My station felt it

[blazing pine]

it's the only earthquake that I ever heard before the shake/thump

usually the sound happens during+after the shaking

[broken saffron]

what kinda station?

[rapid jungle]

Raspberry shake

[broken saffron]

oh very cool

the price tag is not

but the concept is

Look. I get not all GPS is created equal, but some of their pricing is...

[blazing pine]

it's their glorious propositioning system

[broken saffron]

Anyone use the RAK Ethernet & POE Module and have strange POE/power issues?

[toxic kindle]

Can you hook it up to Meshtastic?

[rapid jungle]

How so? Notifications sent to the mesh? Or data collected through the mesh? The data is all open

[toxic kindle]

Notifications sent through Meshtastic

So if the grid goes down you can get notifications via the earthquake sensor thingy

[rapid jungle]

Using the whole networks data or just a single local station?

With just one sensor it won't get magnitude and the epicenter

My Internet is pretty stable, enough battery to keep it running days

In case of power outages, not sure how big the quake has to be to take the fiber network connection out 🫣

[blazing pine]

with just one sensor it's liable to get false shakes from particularly tremulous farts

[rapid jungle]

I can make it locally ping when there is a big jolt though

Trucks passing by show up

I can even tell when people are walking in the house

But it is pretty isolated from the house relatively not just up on a shelf upstairs

[blazing pine]

https://youtu.be/rFP6KAqfNuM?si=WgnHCx3MrGX72cab

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-death-star-laser-gif-9916316

[toxic kindle]

Your nodes are so connected

Intertwined

[broken saffron]

Ok. WC Router is online for realz

[blazing pine]

box way too big. needs bigger battery or phat capacitor bank

[broken saffron]

It’s POE. I didn’t even want to install a battery. But the RAK POE module is kinda janky apparently

It has cold boot issues.

[blazing pine]

needs moar passive poe power injector?

j/k i know nothing about poe

i only run all my google wifi mesh points over poe because i bought a bunch of them dingle dongles

[broken saffron]

I have a 24 port POE switch from Ubuiqiti . It powers all sorts of random POE shit without issue, this is the first device that's had a problem. The RAK would start to light up and the red light would blink a few times, power off, restart the proccess. In the mean time the switch would indicate it was sending power for a few seconds and stop.

Then randomly sometimes when I plugged it in to the switch, it'd boot up and work fine.

So it was either use another POE to USB-C adapter, which I have... or just plug the battery in so it can "start" off battery and then continue on POE

As for the box size, yea, it's large. But the top box is the PlanePi and ... I'm going to be honest. The RAK units are cool and power efficient and relatively cheap. But I'm fairly disapointed in terms of lacking features. So the plan is to replace the RAK with a Raspberry Pi anyways, now that Linux is supported directly.

[blazing pine]

i wonder how much 906.875 interferes with 1090

[broken saffron]

Its a good question. Tried to put the antenna's offset from each other.

adsb has plenty of graphs to go with it., so it'll just be a "Watch and wait" situation

[broken saffron]

and not an hour after I put up router "v2", the RPI hats show up

[earnest bane]

Scored a heap of free old drill batteries and mini solar panels

[broken saffron]

nice!

[earnest bane]

Harvesting the 18650 cells 😎

[broken saffron]

winner winner battery dinner!

I guess it's time to start building router v3. I didn't realize these things shipped with GPS and an RTC (at least I assume so by the battery holder on the underside)

[earnest bane]

Nice! I didn’t even check the specs on the ones I ordered

Just that they were the right ones 😂

[broken saffron]

likewise 🙂

[earnest bane]

Two batteries the same… one has a wifi/bt micro controller and buzzer. Other doesn’t…

[broken saffron]

amazing how much electronics in a simple battery these days

but the electronics are cheap

[earnest bane]

Give me a sec, just gonna wifi into my drill battery 😂😂

[broken saffron]

I've heard of BT batteries, for the "find my" and %% batt remaining

[earnest bane]

True

Probably what the buzzer is for

[broken saffron]

mmm yea, that would make sense

its basically an air tag :-p

ah, not RTC battery. "Onboard button cell holder, supports ML1220 rechargeable cell, for preserving ephemeris information and hot starts"

[earnest bane]

Weird that the other one doesn’t have the chip at all

Same model

[broken saffron]

So whats the end goal for all those 18650 cells?

[blazing pine]

technically the gps is an RTC 😆

[rapid jungle]

What are these?

[broken saffron]

range test

sec (INT) is from the range test module https://meshtastic.org/docs/configuration/module/range-test/ - it sends a SEQuential series of packets, numbered.

[blazing pine]

doesn't show up on the app, only on node screen, yeh?

this guy has been doing the range test for weeks

[rapid jungle]

Yep

I thought modules had their own port numbers

Odd that this one uses the text message port

[pure shoal]

Older versions of the firmware the range test uses the text message port, now it uses it own port and then saves it as a text message if you have the module enabled. It must be older firmware if it shows up on the device screen

[blazing pine]

range test... for weeks!

[pure shoal]

How high a number?

[rapid jungle]

It only shows up in the debug screen for me, and in my bot

[blazing pine]

I think he does one per 30 minutes? I forgot

[pure shoal]

Me and andre filter them out pretty agressively

[blazing pine]

you should take a little drive/walk to his door 😂

[earnest bane]

Probably end up in project boxes. Have a few high spots for some mesh nodes. So will likely test and then throw them in a box and charge off solar

30 cells looking good so far. Ones in the back are not looking good 😂 still another pack to harvest from, but I wanna find out what that wifi/bluetooth chip is up to before I tear it down fully

Samsung INR18650-20R and Sony MURATA INR19/66

[blazing pine]

you should wire up the ones in a back to a node, just for pictures. #notabomb material 😆

[earnest bane]

Reboot counter: yes

[broken saffron]

Oh Liam, I dont know if you saw my @ at you earlier. But I hate you. I've spent the last 2 days trying to figure out how to prometheus all the things.

[earnest bane]

Hahah, metrics are great

[blazing pine]

imperials are better

[earnest bane]

Nice! If a thing doesn’t natively support Prometheus style metrics, I write a tiny express js server that just returns text lines for each metric I want. Then Prometheus just fetches that every 60 sec

So easy

[broken saffron]

Yea. I'm converting python apps now to use the sdk. don't really need the SDK, but whatever, makes it easy.

[earnest bane]

yeah, probably the best way

I just do text based manually when I want it tinyyy

[broken saffron]

Yea. If things change later, SDK will be updated... won't need to think about it.

[earnest bane]

yeah, nice and easy

[earnest bane]

also, this was because under voltage

dw01 chip on the tp4056 board I have cuts off at 2.5v

so esp32 go brrr

and factory reset lol

[broken saffron]

very pissed off chip

[earnest bane]

reboot over and over

it came back up to 40% bat and worked again

need to find a better board that's nice and cheap

[blazing pine]

2.5v not good for batteries

[earnest bane]

naw

they don't mind a bashing

[blazing pine]

lol

[earnest bane]

I've had cells sitting at 0 volts for almost a year

then charged back up to 4.2 and held for months

[blazing pine]

🧨

[earnest bane]

😄

[broken saffron]

DJI Drone batteries do not like going low voltage

[earnest bane]

LiPo is scary

I have some of those in the racing drone

idk what is in the dji

used my Mavic pro today

older one

completely ignores all the no fly zone restrictions 😄

[broken saffron]

Let 2 sit for too long. One just dead dead. The second.... well, It was warm when I pulled it off the charger - which said it failed to charge. An hour later I picked it up and it was still warm.... that's when it quickly went outside.

I think it stayed warm for about 2 days

[blazing pine]

fluffy pillows less scary than sticks of dynamite

[earnest bane]

dynamite is fun

my grandad had lots in his shed

they used to blow up the mountains to make roads

good times

anyway, I'm heading off to a 3d print meetup thing.. will chat later!

[blazing pine]

I read that as "3d print a meetup"

[broken saffron]

gl;dd

[earnest bane]

printing all the people out, and the building

[earnest bane]

I read this as good luck, don't die

[broken saffron]

that is the correct reading

🙂

[blazing pine]

what about "break a leg"

[broken saffron]

boooooooring. Or in the words of the kids these days "That sooooooo boomer"

[simple hedge]

Top of Black Mountain? Hiked there a few months ago, I should go there again and take a portable node with me

[broken saffron]

eclipseeeeeeeeeeeeeeee day

[blazing pine]

when eclipse?

[broken saffron]

Peak in the bay area is approximately 11:14

Start is 10:14, Peak 11:14, end at 12:16

Max coverage is 35%

https://science.nasa.gov/eclipses/future-eclipses/eclipse-2024/where-when/

[blazing pine]

does that mean it'll be fully dark at 11:14 pm

[broken saffron]

in the bay area? No

If you want to head down to Texas, then yes

[blazing pine]

12am?

[broken saffron]

.... yes

Getting my DSLR ready

[blazing pine]

wot. where are you

[broken saffron]

In Walnut Creek? That's just hte normal sun. Behind a really really heavy filter over the camera

[blazing pine]

can I just use like 2 polarizers

[broken saffron]

I am not an expert on this topic, so I'd advise you speak to someone who def knows what they're talking about. Or at least pretends to on the internet.... so reddit

[broken saffron]

Best we get

[blazing pine]

I'm still in bed

[rapid jungle]

Peaked for me

[blazing pine]

auto wb much?

is that an ant on the sun

I once took a photo of the moon with my potato

so smol

[rapid jungle]

Raw files, doesn't matter much

[rapid jungle]

About the same result here

[blazing pine]

I think your potato may be slightly better than mine

[rapid jungle]

I think the last one was resized, here is a few more pixels

Meshtastic node on the moon when?

[blazing pine]

is that... a Samsung?

[rapid jungle]

I wish I had some moon AI on my phone

I did once make an AI moon detector though

https://huggingface.co/spaces/bortle/moon-detector

[blazing pine]

1% notmoon

[crystal hamlet]

that was fun 🙂

reflecting off the ol' disco ball

[blazing pine]

I'm still in bed. should I have been outside getting a retina tan?

[rapid jungle]

I stand by the result

You can try it in the more trained https://huggingface.co/spaces/bortle/astrophotography-object-classifier

[blazing pine]

I like trains

[rapid jungle]

Yeah 65% moon at best

I wonder how it handles the eclipse photo

[blazing pine]

mars

[rapid jungle]

Moon or sun?

[blazing pine]

mars

[torn void]

Some one say eclipse ?

[broken saffron]

🔥

[rapid jungle]

Have this in my pile of random parts, is it time to utilize it?

[broken saffron]

wooo! rpi hats!

[broken saffron]

pine64....sdr?

[rapid jungle]

https://pine64.com/product/pinedio-usb-lora-adapter/

[rapid jungle]

https://shop.sudomaker.com/products/loshark-l1

[broken saffron]

ph very nifty, I didn't know they had a Lora thing

I love their pinecil

They make some many fun random devices

[rapid jungle]

Yep, I've got this too https://pine64.com/product/pinephone-pinephone-pro-pindio-lora-add-on-case/

[broken saffron]

stop linking me cool things. I have impulse control issues. I almost bough that meshphone thing that someone was filing a PR for meshtastic support for

Does meshtastic run on the pinephone?

[rapid jungle]

Not back when I was playing with it

[broken saffron]

ok good

[rapid jungle]

The pi hat is probably the only thing there that is worth exploring at the moment I think?

[broken saffron]

man, the pinephone pro + keyboard (which has a bigger battery) + lora backplate would be a killer cyberdeck

the SX1262 used in the pinephone pro is the same as whats in the waveshare etc hats. So I'd guess it's probably doable.

[rapid jungle]

The biggest issue is the phone OS

none of the options were very ready IMO

[broken saffron]

always

[rapid jungle]

Battery drain terrible, and after booting up the first time, package updates failed

[broken saffron]

oooo that's... not good

[blazing pine]

solution: install archlinux and do everything yerself

[broken saffron]

now I wanna build a cyberdeck... https://hackaday.io/project/174301-raspberry-pi-sdr-cyberdeck

Gotta toss in a meshtastic compatible radio, of course.

[blazing pine]

https://discord.gg/TGShW8J9 start here

[broken saffron]

I was curious....

If you dont buy a pi, or don't buy a Pi5 w/ 8gb... then as usual... the pelican is the most expensive single component. Sigh. Stupid name brand cases

[rapid jungle]

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/stations/3534

I have ais and adsb

Here

[broken saffron]

I'm jealous of that. I'd love to do AIS....

I use MT .com all the time. Unfortunately I'm not near the water and the amount you could see from here via radio is probably.... neglidgeable.

[barren socket]

I have a large gray pelican case for sale if someone wants one. Cheap or trade for a highly rated high gain base antenna. DM me for details.

South Bay

[rapid jungle]

What about ADSB?

[broken saffron]

Oh, that I have covered already, one of my favorite things to watch when bored. My station has decent coverage.

[blazing pine]

wow that's a lot of planes. my toothpick only picks up like 3

many years ago i tried it on my sky-high cb antenna and picked up... a lot

[broken saffron]

I put a lot of time and energy into building that device. Ironically I got "just as many" planes with my shitty setup in my SF appartment back in the day, because duct taping an antenna to a window got coverage of KOAK and almost KSFO....and it was a top floor appt. I wish I Could find screenshots of coverage from that.

Sadly my spouse will not let me buy a house because "There is good ADSB/AIS/Meshtastic coverage options here"

[blazing pine]

rent some nice warehouse for fun projects

[broken saffron]

If everything in the bay area wasn't so bloody expensive, I totally would

[blazing pine]

i had a nice aircraft hanger lookalike for 2.2k a month

rent probably doubled by now

or quadroupled

[rapid jungle]

I just didn't explicitly list that when I liked a house

She figured it out a few years later

[broken saffron]

lolol well played then, well played. Much smarter than I was.

[blazing pine]

you certainly picked a good location for your current house.

but hopefully your earthquake bracing is up to date?

[rapid jungle]

Yeah should be okay 😄

here I’ve got:

• adsb
• aprs (igate, no digi)
• ais
• Meshtastic
• rtk base

[blazing pine]

mine isn't. but if i don't get squished i'll just rebuild it into something better xD

[blazing pine]

lora aprs next?

[broken saffron]

You have a very solid pickup, that's for sure

[rapid jungle]

The antenna array got damaged so they are just laying on their sides on the table outside

[blazing pine]

i go test aprs now
let's see if i still remember how to use this ancient brick

um, 1200bps, yeh?

[broken saffron]

I was tempted to do websdr or similar. But... I dunno, there isn't a ton that is interesting in the area unless you've got it wired up to pickup trunk stuff. And I've not seen any web trunk software

[blazing pine]

or 9600?!?

[broken saffron]

9600 buad ftw!

[rapid jungle]

I’ve got a few HF rigs, apache sdr, ic705, and x6100

I have a loop and vertical that I usually use here so it is easy up and down in order to not get complaints from my roommate (wife)

[blazing pine]

my last aprs beacon was 338 days ago

wait y 9600bps no work

[rapid jungle]

I have an aprs capable handheld, I’ll put it on the charger

[blazing pine]

ah i got it at 1200

received by W6PW-10 in SF

and WA6TOW-2

[rapid jungle]

Booting it up

Sent some beacons

Packet heard by W6PW-10

[blazing pine]

heard by me too xD

d-star wot

[rapid jungle]

In the message comment or what?

[blazing pine]

yah

[rapid jungle]

TH-D74

[blazing pine]

your packet also heard by K6YIL-1 51.2 miles away

[rapid jungle]

I wish there was (is there yet?) a more accessible regular power output, dual band, APRS (with aprs via Bluetooth) handheld

[rapid jungle]

After I charge I’ll take it outside

[blazing pine]

https://www.dxengineering.com/parts/wmo-picoaprs-vhf like this?

ohwait that's vhf only

[rapid jungle]

And only 1 watt

Still $400

The d75a, is 800 but like so much more of a radio

[blazing pine]

i think i sent my beacons at like .3 watt

[rapid jungle]

Not 800 I guess, just 750

[blazing pine]

oh wait it was 100mw

[rapid jungle]

I could plug in the mobile, and do 50w aprs beacon, put some hot pockets out and see how warm they get

[broken saffron]

Speaking of HAM, does anyone run their Meshtastic setups in licensed mode? Free and clear and LOUD?

[rapid jungle]

I didn’t look in to it much, because I figured it wouldn’t send packets from people who were set to unlicensed?

[toxic kindle]

@pure shoal node acquired

[blazing pine]

how2acquire

[toxic kindle]

Etsy

It’s really small

Going to be using it as a base camp router

Brining it to Death Valley

I think the tiny solar panel can be sustained out there

[blazing pine]

https://tenor.com/view/brine-the-cinema-club-tcc-redwood-tequila-rbag-gif-13579553770467339440

[blazing pine]

too few lines from my cluster 😆

[rapid jungle]

Which node

[blazing pine]

all of them! well, only 3

[broken saffron]

please sir, may I haz a line

[blazing pine]

move to the actual bay area

[broken saffron]

hey! We're the real EAST BAY. Not you slackers in the middle bay

[blazing pine]

oh yeah? where's yer mesh?

[broken saffron]

you ... just gotta be at zoom22 to see it.

[rapid jungle]

Hmm, i don’t think I’m high enough up to put a directional antenna with high gain east to bridge the gap

[blazing pine]

wrong side of the mountains lol

[broken saffron]

the unit is plugged in. I'm a little concerned it thinks the battery is slowly losing charge

[blazing pine]

looks normal to me. rak, yeh?

[broken saffron]

yea

[broken saffron]

Hey, there is a new node in my area! Slowly we grow!

[crystal hamlet]

Hello 👋

[blazing pine]

somewhere San Francisco?

that tower looks familiar

[toxic kindle]

Thats my thinking exactly

[blazing pine]

sutro tower

[blazing pine]

j2?

AF?

[broken saffron]

if I had to guess https://www.google.com/maps/place/1390+Market+St+UNIT+908,+San+Francisco,+CA+94102/@37.7766492,-122.418154,349m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x8085809c0f5e108d:0x52b4e9c518f9edb2!8m2!3d37.7770294!4d-122.4176843!16s%2Fg%2F11lkj6mxf3?entry=ttu

give or take a couple buildings

[crystal hamlet]

bingo

[broken saffron]

hah! Geoguesser win for me

I mean the shot of Market and Lombard (one of the few places in the city you have big ass red stripped streets meeting) make it really easy to get close.

[crystal hamlet]

Sutro + Market is a dead giveaway 😄

[broken saffron]

Oh yea, and Sutro tower too.

[crystal hamlet]

but yeah I'm up here with somewhat uninterrupted views of east bay, south + east SF. Wondering if I should put a router out on my balcony? New to this so learning as I go 😄

[broken saffron]

The challenge is always "which building," which is kinda fun to try and figure out.

Heck yes! more routers!

[crystal hamlet]

any "best practices" conversations I can peep? Slowly sifting through all this lovely info with my very smooth brain.

[broken saffron]

Very nice, you're talking to what I assume is Oakland Hills Router

Now if only that slacker could get an antenna high enough so us in WC could talk direct....

[crystal hamlet]

Is Diablo too far? I can see it.

tie something to a tree up there 📐

[broken saffron]

With Yagi's? Probably not. But no one has put one up there yet, sadly. There are some Ham antenna's on the mountain top, but I dont think they'll let us play

[rapid jungle]

7c5b00dc (sirwnstn) here?

[blazing pine]

first seen <t:1712693428:R>, last seen <t:1712694916:R>

[broken saffron]

Alright. Time to begin the Linux build.

[rapid jungle]

Build mine next

[broken saffron]

well as soon as I figure out how to get this working I'll let you know

The documentation appears to be a bit sparse still. But it's brand new so that's not a shock

[earnest bane]

Need to get a little poe splitter for mine too. Found it fits nice in the stock case with the hat too!

[blazing pine]

y poe splitter when can poe hat

[earnest bane]

Did a couple tests with the wireless tracker too

Got permission to throw a node on here

[blazing pine]

I hope it's at the highest point

[earnest bane]

Same 😅

That pole has a good view over the city

I was gonna strap one on the other side of this tree 😂

[broken saffron]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07V35DH5F This is what I’m using. So far have worked well. The last one is on the plane pi for a year.

[blazing pine]

is that a siren at the top or only a microwave magnetron and horn waveguide?

[earnest bane]

neato! I love poe

probably all radio gear

it's the local wisp

one of

doubt theyd have a siren

we have them on the fire stations tho

[blazing pine]

@earnest bane blue should probably appear on top of red

(but below green)

wait why is red on top of green too

🥬

[earnest bane]

it's because blue and green were set with different z index, and then I added red later

so they will be zindex based on mqtt status, and then get set to red after lol

should probably be their own layers

but ehhh

I wanted to get it all into vuejs, so it can be reactive, but for now it is how it is

been busy with other things 😛

[blazing pine]

busy good. better than lazy bum me

[earnest bane]

send me rak kits overnight pls

[blazing pine]

all I do is complain and

[earnest bane]

I don't wanna wait weeeeeks 😢

[blazing pine]

@torn void 👀

[earnest bane]

lol I ordered from rak wireless, and they didn't send a tracking link and it's already been 10 days

so I hit them up, and they're like yeah, we send out after 10 days

now it's 11, still no tracking

[blazing pine]

mine was last seen in China March 28th.

[earnest bane]

r i p

[blazing pine]

still no update

[earnest bane]

yiiikes

[blazing pine]

[earnest bane]

too many people wanting to buy

was going to do another order, but through that rokland site, see if it got here before the rak order...

[blazing pine]

for some reason AliExpress orders come super quick

[earnest bane]

for rak kits?

[blazing pine]

for their enclosures at least...

[earnest bane]

I get ali express stuff to NZ in about a week or so

[toxic kindle]

@earnest bane You are now officially a member of the bay area

[earnest bane]

I live in New Zealand lmaoo

[toxic kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/invisible-vanish-good-bye-teleport-bye-gif-16415619

[blazing pine]

[torn void]

Liam you need some ? I have a bunch im sitting on. 35 bucks shipped if you get 2 or more

less then 2, you cover shipping

oh shit you are in NZ.... should have read the thread 😛

ill still send you some if you want but need to check on shippibg

[blazing pine]

overnight shippibg

[earnest bane]

how many do ya have? would be keen if fast shipping to nz is possible ✈️

[torn void]

20 or so

[earnest bane]

I eventually plan to import and sell local too, but haven't had a chance to even try the rak kits yet

[torn void]

I can have them in the mail tomorrow.

[earnest bane]

because still waiting haha

I'll send dm?

[torn void]

sure

[broken saffron]

ok. BME680 works, GPS works... ... and uh not meshtastic. Blarg

[toxic kindle]

I got some motivation out of nowhere and now im adding features to the ios app

[earnest bane]

failed to find radio...

ooof

[broken saffron]

woo IOS features!

[earnest bane]

traceroute progress dialog? 😛

[toxic kindle]

wdym

[blazing pine]

traceroute progress via mqtt

[earnest bane]

currently click traceroute on long press of a node, then navigate into the node, click traceroutes and look at top entry

would be neato to show a result as soon as it's available, with a progress dialog showing and abutton to dismiss/ignore pending result

went up a hill today, and wanted to test reaching specific nodes I set up across town. had to go in and out of menus to get it done 😛

[blazing pine]

it would be nice to immediately know which node first forwarded your traceroute packet

[toxic kindle]

What I was thinking is notification when traceroute arrives and abbility to delete them

Rn im stuck making a feature to stop connecting cause rn its in a loop doing (1 out of 10 connection attempts) for ble

[earnest bane]

I normally force close when it does that 😄

[blazing pine]

I think I heard of that happening with android too

[toxic kindle]

I added this earlier today
https://github.com/meshtastic/Meshtastic-Apple/pull/592

[earnest bane]

that's neato!

[blazing pine]

android needs features moar than ipone

[earnest bane]

single code base would be good lol

[rapid jungle]

Todo: add iOS emulator to android meshtastic app

[earnest bane]

I want to build one in flutter, but will see how that other OSS project gets on

[toxic kindle]

Todo: add apple.com to android to let android users purchase an iPhone

[earnest bane]

I just use both yeah

[toxic kindle]

Already a project

[earnest bane]

but will see how that other OSS project gets on

yep

[toxic kindle]

didnt read that

Im multitasking this and xcode

My thing isnt working

[rapid jungle]

Build it in PhoneGap 😬

[broken saffron]

Alright. I have no idea how to debug SPI issues. I'm gonna have to give up for the night. I know the GPS works (UART), and it's all happy and blinkenlitez.... so I assume I'm missing something stupid in SPI configuration.

[blazing pine]

bring out the scope

[broken saffron]

and I've got no idea how to get more debug info out of this

[blazing pine]

bring out them logic probies

[broken saffron]

I have no logic probes

[blazing pine]

back when I was building a radio and had no scope, I used the audio amp section to probe other bits and used muh ears to analyze

j/k I electronics illiterate

I did successfully find the bad op-amp though, through divining

[toxic kindle]

LETTS GOO

I did it

infinite reconect is fixed

[blazing pine]

fix it on Android too

[broken saffron]

alright. I give up. no more. Will try again tomorrow.

[torn void]

@blazing pine thanks for the plug 🙂 hooked up @earnest bane

[broken saffron]

ok. Day 2 of not having any idea how to SPI....letssssssss goooooooooo

I totally didn't have nightmares all night about this stuff

ok cool. So I found the demo python apps from Waveshare and they also fail. So the issue probably isn't meshtastic or the config (which makes sense). It's.... uh... I don't freaking know.

[torn void]

Waveshare ?

[blazing pine]

are you sure your hardware is spi?

[blazing pine]

and... it's probably the config... .txt

[broken saffron]

https://www.waveshare.com/wiki/SX1262_XXXM_LoRaWAN/GNSS_HAT

The config has an example for this exact board, so I doubt its the config. The hardware is SPI. But like I said, even the waveshare provided python examples don't work. I'm leaning to something wrong on the system. I might try writing raspbian to an SD card and trying that instead of DietPi.

[blazing pine]

so you enabled spi overlay in the config?

removed spi-bcm2708 from the module blacklist?

[blazing pine]

have you installed archlinux?

[broken saffron]

So best I can tell, spi is alive and well on this little boxen. And yes, the meshtastic config has the right lora chip, the spidev, gps, i2c

no, and I never will

I don't use arch btw

🙂

[rapid jungle]

https://meshtastic.liamcottle.net/?node_id=1978765696 OHW reverted back to "Meshtastic 9180" by itself

[blazing pine]

firmware version?

also, my raks do that often. my t-beam did it once.

[blazing pine]

it reset itself <t:1712706845:R>

[rapid jungle]

it is on solar but the battery doesn't last the night i think

[blazing pine]

needs moar rak

[rapid jungle]

2.3.4

[blazing pine]

if it happens to write to flash during a power derp, it'll corrupt and reset at next boot

[rapid jungle]

i feel like there needs to be some lockout if the voltage isn't stable and high enough

[blazing pine]

or a "router mode" where it doesn't write to flash at all.

[rapid jungle]

yeah that one could be router

[blazing pine]

i set my neighborinfo to broadcast every hour instead of 15 minutes to reduce flash writes.

[rapid jungle]

router wouldn't send neighborinfo packets?

[blazing pine]

it's still useful and fun for mqtt map

i had suggested neighborinfo not need to be written to db at all, but nobody heard

and nodeinfo db isn't needed at all if there won't be a phone connecting to the node

[timid turret]

@toxic kindle are we on for tonight?

[rapid jungle]

@blazing pine

[toxic kindle]

Yep

[earnest bane]

Also had the reset in a heltec v3 in client mode. Powered by an 18650 and using a TP4056 to charge it. Because the ESP32 is hungry, and the DW01 chip cuts off at ~2.5v, it has bad time boot looping and then flash gets nuked. Guessing it tried to do a write then? Trying to find a clean, cheap way or a programmable chip, to allow “cut off at X volts, turn back on at X volts”

[blazing pine]

or turn back on the firmware low-voltage shutsown

[earnest bane]

“Back on”?

[blazing pine]

it existed before, but got turned off for the sake of Rak

(because of derpy rak ADC)

[earnest bane]

Can’t say I’ve seen a setting for it

[blazing pine]

¯_(ツ)_/¯ it was automagic

[earnest bane]

Ahh righto. Would be nice to have yet another config to allow for setting those voltages

[blazing pine]

indeed

[earnest bane]

Or even a toggle to allow it on boards with good ADC

Solar bois just nuke themselves otherwise

[blazing pine]

solution: moar sticks of dynamite

[earnest bane]

Makes me feel like I’m gonna set them up in the wild and they gonna shit themselves in a few days lol

[blazing pine]

I would like a way to write a custom "factory config" to the radio, so flash derps don't affect important nodes as much

[broken saffron]

So after 2 days the answers are in

I'm not an idiot, the first of the two Waveshare hats I bought... was bad

[pure shoal]

I think the oem thingy does all of this except channels

[blazing pine]

wait what. what oem thing? I remember seeing something like that in debug logs

[blazing pine]

now get a refund... and fix it

[broken saffron]

I emailed Waveshare asking for store credit, I'll just buy another. I like their stuff in general. I could buy some supplies for that cyberdeck project I totally don't need to undertake.

[toxic kindle]

If anyone wants to hang out im in the vc

[broken saffron]

I dont think I can fix it. It's ewaste basically

hah! the GPS module works now

The only downside is that when meshtastic fires up it takes over the connection to the GPS module in some way that's mostly (?) exclusive. There must be some way to... duplicate the data so that it can be accessed outside of meshtastic and used by the OS (ex: NTP)

Ah Maybe the answer is https://manpages.debian.org/unstable/gpsd-clients/gpspipe.1.en.html

[blazing pine]

send it to me 😆

I can probably fix it without using a pi

me like challenge

[broken saffron]

Lemme find out what wave share says first. They might want it back. I doubt it. But if they don’t….its all yours.

[blazing pine]

\o/

anyone want this dingle dongle (minus the 868 antenna)?

[blazing pine]

lol nearly got scammed today

(look closely at gift card)

[toxic kindle]

its ripped

[blazing pine]

I did that

I opened it to check because:

• packaging looked a bit distressed (sus)
• cashier "forgot" to give me activation receipt

maybe sus: I asked another employee for the manager, and when he asked why, I just showed him the card and he went "oh" and fetched manager

sus: manager offered replacement of card, didn't even seem interested in where I got the card from

maybe sus: there was a small pile of those same gift cards on her desk

[toxic kindle]

Wait so its just a fake card with a fake activation code?

[blazing pine]

real card, last few digits had some surgery and are gone

[toxic kindle]

Do people just reedeem them and return them?

[blazing pine]

more like someone was collecting a list of last digits

(along with keeping the rest of the code)

if the staff are in on it, then most likely they know exactly when/which card is activated, and they redeem the card on their own account (or get someone else to do it)

if it's some outsider, then they'll go through the list one by one every once in a while to see which one(s) go through

hmm. I'm not sure how I feel about this new node running 7-hop range test...

for the past 9 hours

[toxic kindle]

what qth?

[broken saffron]

hams! always with your Q codes!~

[toxic kindle]

Theres always people in #help asking why someone is spamming CQ on Meshtastic

[blazing pine]

cq cq cw bbq

[toxic kindle]

I wish more people on Meshtastic knew the Q codes because im lazy to type stuff out

[broken saffron]

Yea. The thieves steal the gift cards, record the claim code and put it into a bot to try and repeatedly redeem. Then put them back on store shelves. As soon as you buy it... their bot claims the money because they have the code before you can give it away and that person use it.

[toxic kindle]

mmmmmm bbq

Sorry im hungry

@blazing pine Your emojis are so cursed

[toxic kindle]

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[broken saffron]

ya'll got issues

[blazing pine]

got an issue? grab a tissue

[broken saffron]

that will not help

[blazing pine]

me like kute hams

[toxic kindle]

It’s only @blazing pine

[remote vale]

Not creepy at all..... 🫣

[blazing pine]

not mine xD

[remote vale]

https://tenor.com/view/uh-huh-sure-gif-18089735

[slim vector]

Why are you buying $500 gift cards? It’s not really the prince of Nigeria emailing you. Blink twice if you need help.

[blazing pine]

the IRS wants them, or else they're gonna take all muh property

[slim vector]

🤣

[blazing pine]

@rapid jungle do you have 2.3.x on all your nodes?

I can't seem to get a hop_start from your nodes

[rapid jungle]

Just one

[blazing pine]

ah I see. at least I know I'm not going crazy now, lol

[blazing pine]

which one? MAM?

[rapid jungle]

The node formerly known as OHW

[blazing pine]

oh 😆

y u no update

[rapid jungle]

Is there a reason to?

[blazing pine]

hops_away

[rapid jungle]

Didn't easter already happen? 🐇

[blazing pine]

you know you want some of this

[rapid jungle]

Neigh bored 🥱

[blazing pine]

also, that's probably why you couldn't send me any messages 👀

[keen falcon]

I just got done testing a stealth router up on a hill in Marin. I am sure some of you may be on here. Farthest node seen was down in Salinas. It would easily last a week on batteries. I will look for a permanent spot that can maintain the stealthiness but with a better antenna and solar panel.

[blazing pine]

last 4 of nodeid?

[keen falcon]

0836

[blazing pine]

never seen it ඞ

bruefrog

[blazing pine]

usually you're supposed to give the hex, not the int, lol

(1744)

[keen falcon]

You ask for Node not User

[blazing pine]

Apple app much weird

[blazing pine]

@rapid jungle yer nodes are stripping hop_start from all repeated packets 🫠

I don't have enough dummy loads to make my own mini mesh for testing

[earnest bane]

Some raks turned up today 😎

[toxic kindle]

Challenge: How much text can android devs fit in one screen?

[blazing pine]

wot is this magic shipping

[blazing pine]

I can go smaller

[toxic kindle]

The average age of a ham radio operator is 68 years, assuming that the Meshtastic community is the same age then no one will be able to read that. Presbyopia becomes noticeable in the mid 40s and continues into the 60s.

Thank you for attending my TED talk

[blazing pine]

I used to be able to count pixels on my 1600x1200 CRT

can't do it anymore because CRTs no longer exist

[earnest bane]

It was actually the ones from rak 😂 they sent tracking link a day ago… and now they here…

[toxic kindle]

I wish they sold Raks on Amazon

I would pay extra 20 bucks

I am too spoiled with 2 day shipping

[blazing pine]

my 3 raks are still in China, no updates since the 28th

[blazing pine]

it's like this every time I order. watch it suddenly arrive the day after tomorrow lol

[dense quartz]

I was curious are these operating in repeater mode? Was watching a few videos about that and was interested, it's just a firmware setting right?

[toxic kindle]

repeater mode makes you invisible

If you have the energy to spare I would go Router mode

[blazing pine]

what if I'm lazy

0 energy to spare.

[dense quartz]

what's the difference? I think the idea is to place up ours on a friend's property (which he is always up for new proejcts at his site) on a mountaintop, sounds like Router mode is preferable? Do people have to like "friend" or scan their meshtastic code?

[toxic kindle]

Put it on the Default long fast frequency

Should be seeing other nodes

@dense quartz Both router and repeater repeat packets earlier than others

[broken saffron]

Yea, mode is just a setting. My roof is router_client.

[toxic kindle]

But the main difference is that router sends its own info out and other peopl can see it meanwhile repeater only repeates packets and does not identify itself

[dense quartz]

What do you mean by that? Just faster than another node that is in RX range?

[toxic kindle]

Nodes wait a certain ammount of time before attempting to rebroadcast messages

[dense quartz]

so like a normal repeater, anyone on the channel can hear / view messages compared to individualized messages on nodes?

[toxic kindle]

For rpeaters and routers they have less time

[toxic kindle]

Wdym?

[broken saffron]

What you can "see" is a question of encryption and how you sent the messages. But in general, assume, like ham, everything is sent over the air in a way people can see. Software (and crypto) controls what your system will show you

[dense quartz]

Is there documentation or something you could also help point me in the right direction?

[broken saffron]

Repeaters just repeat. Routers repeate and do other things.

https://meshtastic.org/docs/configuration/radio/device/

[toxic kindle]

@dense quartz https://meshtastic.discourse.group/t/whats-the-difference-between-a-repeater-and-a-router/8037

[blazing pine]

repeaters are ghosts

[broken saffron]

Spoopy!

[toxic kindle]

Also please join the discord
https://discord.gg/9RneVymWRB

[dense quartz]

I am technically in San Luis Obispo but I come up there a few times and either way good to have other CA people to talk with building this out about 🙂

[broken saffron]

oh, banned for life then!

🙂

[toxic kindle]

If you ever need help feel free to ask. Ive learned this stuff by asking too many questions in this server.

Also because you are a ham do not be tempted to use Ham mode (You will be lonely)

Not many people use ham mode

[earnest bane]

Meshtastic Babe 😎

New board 😂

[blazing pine]

did you remember to wipe

https://tenor.com/view/tarkov-eft-escape-from-tarkov-battlestate-seagulls-gif-25570250

[earnest bane]

What do I need to wipe?

I flashed new firmware. Nothing was loaded

This is just the Mac 😅

[royal idol]

Hello fellow SLO resident. I just got a Lora module and get no nodes where I am.

[blazing pine]

and just like that, my rak package is out for delivery today

[rapid jungle]

5 watts of FT8 using portable radio / iPad. Antenna is a 5’ whip

QSO with Hawaii is so easy

[rapid jungle]

All nodes on 2.3.4

[keen falcon]

So much fun. My best FT8 on 5W has been 9k miles to South Africa.

[toxic kindle]

I need to get into HF

My biggest accomplishment so far has been getting a lot of contacts from Mt Umunhum on VHF/UHF for winter field day

[keen falcon]

Have you tried LEO sats on UHF and VHF? That is fun too. But definitely come over to HF

[toxic kindle]

Have not tried

Will be my first HF experience at the PAARA in the park meeting

[rapid jungle]

How often are you on the air?

[blazing pine]

7030? 😆

[keen falcon]

Enjoy. I have built a few HF wire antennas. You can a lot with wire for little $.

[keen falcon]

I have not been lately, I have been down the Mesh rathole for now.

[rapid jungle]

Same plugged it in today for the first time in like a year

[blazing pine]

you should play with all your toys every once in a while, lest you forget how to use 'em

[broken saffron]

nice bb keyboard usage

[earnest bane]

Not Bay Area related, but I feel like I chat to you lot the most 😂 got a couple of solar boys up on some hills today! One is a heltec v3 with 2x 18650, so I’m expecting battery usage to get rekt. And the other is a rak board with a 3.7v 3000mAh LiPo. They both get into my Linux native pi node at home without issue!

[blazing pine]

more firmware power savings coming soon

[earnest bane]

That’s is good news!

I didn’t enable neighbours on these, because I want to avoid them getting nuked 😅

[blazing pine]

neighborinfo safe on 2.3.4

I set mine to broadcast neighborinfo every hour

[earnest bane]

Ooo that’s good, they are all on 2.3.4 alpha

No flash wipes since?

[slender pelican]

what's the issue with neighborinfo? I have a heltec v3 that's unresponsive.

[blazing pine]

my skyrak lost region earlier today, but that's "normal"

[earnest bane]

Uhhhh doesn’t sound normal to me lmao

[blazing pine]

I think it has something to do with derpy Bluetooth connection

[slender pelican]

ahh ok thx