[America Server] Discussions

[sullen tapir]

?

[lunar ginkgo]

aww Thank you so much @tropic slate

[tropic slate]

what happens if a match goes to round 15 and the game calls a loss for both players?

should they /gicancel, or are there tiebreaking criteria?

[sullen tapir]

That would be a question best answered by one of the Genius Invokators familiar with tie-breaking procedures.

I'm sorry I can't give you a definitive answer.

[tropic slate]

ah ok. @subtle ibex what are the rules for what to do in the preliminary rounds if the game reaches round 15 and calls a loss for both players

[lunar ginkgo]

Thank you so much. I will cancel the match >< @tropic slate @sullen tapir @desert grove

[subtle ibex]

Gonna copy+paste if you don't mind

if a match reaches turn limit, please disregard it and if time permits you to play another match, please do so. Otherwise, please cancel the round and use Yes, "other" option to report the round so you won't be blocked from queueing due to cancelation. However, please keep in mind that we will investigate the round to see if it's indeed reached turn limit, and another check during the verification phase. If it's a false report to game the system, consequences will be presented~

[drowsy wharf]

got my 3 wins! hope u get yours too, had lots of fun playing~

[rich wasp]

[tropic slate]

would it be possible to put this in the FAQ, in addition to wherever you pulled this from?

[ember heath]

I am still at 2, but working on it 💪

[subtle ibex]

it'll be in by next season for sure, just need to poke the TOs about it every so often

[tropic slate]

also while i'm asking for stuff in the faq to be clarified, can the entries about [conceding in the preliminary phase causing a strike] be removed, since that isn't enforced any more?

[crystal tapir]

honestly not a big fan of the rule anyways
resigning is a sign of respect and to save both peoples time

its not rly bm

[tropic slate]

the early seasons of cat's tail were before the match replay system was added, and they required you to submit a screenshot of the winning move

I suspect the concede rule is in because if your opponent concedes you don't have time to take a screenshot

as that's no longer how the tournament is run, conceding should be fine, and for at least four seasons now they haven't given strikes for conceding (at least, when the opponent doesn't report for it)

[sullen walrus]

Wait Nyhida is lower than blep in leaderboard?

Blep should retire casting and play competitively

[pearl fern]

No thanks

Nyahida is still the better player

[crystal tapir]

whos nyahida

[pearl fern]

I got pretty lucky with matchups, didn't got the leaderboard ppl very much

[tropic slate]

blep you made it into top 16

congratulations! seriously!!

[sullen walrus]

I made it into top 16 for the first time. Maybe the sauce is to not play cope

[tropic slate]

shann you have been playing life sentence

might be more reliable but sure doesn't make your opponents hate matching into you any less lol

[sullen walrus]

I play the same deck the entire ctg

[slow heart]

am i going to get knockout of top 16?

[sullen walrus]

that one game where I decide to counter pick, I lost

[tropic slate]

lmao rip

[slow heart]

I counter pick twice and won both time

[pearl fern]

thank you

[pearl fern]

we're kinda past the point where running cope is enough. The average deck these days is just really strong particularly with the current meta

[subtle ibex]

well, we still do enforce concedes fwiw, atm we give out a warning to those we have found suspected to concede from reports/preliminary verification reviews of matches
perhaps it's something to discuss with the TOs also about, in terms of how we approach concessions in the future i think there are some concerns of boosting that we'd have to address if we were to change our strict standing on it, but we'll talk more about it internally when we get there

[tropic slate]

boosting concerns are absolutely fair, but it's also generally sportsmanlike to concede in round 3 or 4 after your win condition is decapitated, in order to save time. Especially when playing with or against a stall deck

[pearl fern]

usually the way I get around that is if I feel like I lost I'll just end immediately

[willow lion]

especially playing against a stall deck is key

[pearl fern]

with like 8 dice

[willow lion]

POV its 4 rounds in, half ur character is dead, enemy is on 10-9-10 with full equipped ning

[frigid sundial]

It seems i wont be able to make it again because of quota

[pearl fern]

but it does seem like not being allowed to concede is a remnant from verification days

[frigid sundial]

Shoudve risked moring queue

[pearl fern]

like, you can still "boost" by just passing turn instead of actually conceding

though tbf I usually don't report concedes doesn't feel like it's worth the time

[twilit steppe]

Yeah in the first few days I got 6 losses because I play 2 super kopium decks.. I regret not terrorizing people with Finaly instead 🙈

[tropic slate]

if it's in good faith, like they just accept they lost and want to move on, I see no reason to report it at all

[slow heart]

what are the requirement for a match to be consider a "conceded" match? Going to the top right and forfeiting? or does ending your round the moment it start also count as "conceded"

[tropic slate]

just take the W and move on

[pearl fern]

I believe it's a top right only. Unless they are tracking game actions they won't really be able to do anything about ending your round immediately

[slow heart]

So they can't do anything if one player just end every round the moment it is their turn?

[summer berry]

If you want to give up against stall you could always just pass on full dice

Not as quick but giving up works all the same

[crystal tapir]

honestly the bigger issue rn is invaders and queue dodging

also tiebreak should be by opponent win% instead of time

[sullen walrus]

funny enough, I lost to 2 quicken decks

[slow heart]

queue dodging

[sullen walrus]

Collei is op, nerf this character

[sacred marten]

[pearl fern]

this is actually a good idea. I think most swiss style tournaments use this in their calculation

[subtle ibex]

i think if i say anything more on it, the higher up(s) will prob be madge at me we rely quite a lot on reported concessions in modmail, and/or pings in matchchat
def not a perfect system; ill see what the TOs think about it when they're up

[pearl fern]

and like assign another score to tiebreak with

[sullen walrus]

this should be safe right?

[tropic slate]

yesbut you should still play one more match in order to get better seeding

[sullen walrus]

I kind of don't want to play another one

[slow heart]

I see so as long as you don't reported it nothing will really happen hmm

[supple marsh]

if true

[tropic slate]

if the order stays this way then it means I have to fight nyahida in t16 r1

and i do not want to do that

[safe plaza]

Good job Shann

[subtle ibex]

if that's what you choose to believe

[sullen walrus]

I finally got unwashed

[slow heart]

Wait if I report my opp top right and conceded, what will happen to that match?

does it get voided and both player lose 1 game?

[tropic slate]

it wouldn't get voided, you'd still get the win

but your opponent would get a strike

[twilit steppe]

People queue dodge? 🤔 as for me if I lose then it is what it is

[tropic slate]

so reporting it would be mean

[slow heart]

So if i find another person that play the person that conceded twice against me that also got conceded on, we can both report that person and that person will get 3 strike and ban from ctg?

[tropic slate]

i guess? i would hope the mods are merciful and dont do that

'people should not be punished (other than with the game loss, which happened anyway) for conceding in good faith' is an ethical opinion i hold very strongly

[sacred marten]

THERE'S A RULE SAYS WE CANT TOPRIGHT CONCEDE?

[crystal tapir]

how do you even concede in bad faith

🤔

[tropic slate]

e.g. start of round 1

[supple marsh]

the challenge with this view, honestly, is how are we supposed to make a system that detects when a forfeiture could be in bad faith

and it's not easy

[crystal tapir]

huh? then you just tank a loss

[frigid sundial]

[tropic slate]

it would be hard, yes, but the people tho do it in good faith to save time should not be punished just because other people sometimes do it in bad faith

getting the game loss is its own punishment anyway

and if two people are conspiring by using it no one is reporting that anyway

[pearl fern]

you can't prevent this anyway. Same deal with competing in CTG for multiple regions. There's just no way to realistically prevent it

[crystal tapir]

if youre really trying to wintrade there is so many other ways to go about it anyways

[summer berry]

Not being able to concede is not something that would stop win trading

[pearl fern]

I mean most MTG tournaments for example always allows a player to concede or both players can intentionally draw at any time

[crystal tapir]

ID my fav :))

[pearl fern]

it's obv a little weirder here since you could have another account

[barren anchor]

this is indeed what happens. i can confirm because i thoroughly asked via modmail about this

[pearl fern]

but honestly it seems like flagging concessions just puts more work on reports without much benefit

as long as the match is confirmed and matches with the result it's fine

reporting concessions seems like it'll eat up user time to do the report + TO time to process

[rotund lichen]

no concede is a pointless rule the only purpose is to increase policing for those who enjoy policing

[supple marsh]

inb4 the organizers use big data to detect and flag possible win-trading behavior

(possible but will require a lot of reports and match replays, which isn't really feasible)

[rotund lichen]

win traders aren't going to report themselves anyway

[barren anchor]

also blep congrats on lb placement

[crystal tapir]

so uhhhh how do you distinguish between human mistake and wintrade move 🤔

[pearl fern]

thank you!

[crystal tapir]

im pree sure you dont right

[pearl fern]

there's other ways you can detect it. Best not to discuss that though so ppl who are actually trying don't know what dumb things to not do

guaranteed if someone is trying they'll prob do it really stupidly and get themselves caught

or a large %

[rotund lichen]

confirmation bias you don't see the ones you don't see

[crystal tapir]

ok so like according to that logic eu finals last season was a wintrade then because iirc finaly screwed up r1 2 actions

like sometimes we just do rly stupid things its not wintrading

[subtle ibex]

kernel level anti-cheat required for future CTG matches

[rotund lichen]

there's probably win traders in the top 10 right now but you don't know it

[supple marsh]

do we even have server-side anticheat for TCG (some people found that kernel level anti-cheat is bypassable)

[rotund lichen]

even proper sports with employed officials struggle to stop win trading

[frigid sundial]

Can I still get SS point even if i didnt finished 35 games but made in to top 32?

[tropic slate]

i believe so yes layercake

[frigid sundial]

[rotund lichen]

there shouldn't be any way to cheat in tcg in a way that anti cheat cares about

[twilit steppe]

Top 32 got points? 🤔 .. sorry I forgot

[safe plaza]

@subtle ibex is there any way to fix the embeds in #cats-tail-leaderboard as well?

[rotund lichen]

the rng and game rules should all be server side

[barren anchor]

idt just making it to top 32 is enough, since only 24 players get points

[subtle ibex]

ou ill let nopnop know

[safe plaza]

Ty!

[tropic slate]

no it's just that only 24 are listed on the leaderboard

[supple marsh]

nopnop

[tropic slate]

there are people with points who aren't on the leaderboard just because there isn't space

[barren anchor]

🦤gasp is there a source to confirm this?

[tropic slate]

no but I'm 100% confident

[rotund lichen]

the main concede reports you get are stall griefers who want to make people sit in games for an hour

[twilit steppe]

I just saw this but yes top 32 got 5 points https://act.hoyoverse.com/ys/event/astracarnival/index.html#/newsDetail/122299

So I might get 5 points LOL

[tropic slate]

the serious showdown leaderboard will get more interesting after they tally the points from this season

in about 3 or 4 weeks

[pearl fern]

I mean everyone who played all 35 games are at 1 point

[barren anchor]

ayawah that's good news for me. i'll have 10 points total then since i placed top 32 in both seasons

[pearl fern]

and aren't shown

I didn't play all my matches last season so I might get bumped off of the T24 by the ppl at 11

[barren anchor]

how do you even know that

[pearl fern]

it's in the announce

[tropic slate]

blep you just need to make top 8 and you should be pretty safe

[tropic slate]

top 4 for guaranteed

[barren anchor]

🦤gasp

[pearl fern]

15 points should be safe tbh

but top 8 is not easy for me

[safe plaza]

Birdy

[pearl fern]

most of the other t16 play way more than I do

[tropic slate]

it's only one set, you can do it

you came this far after all

[safe plaza]

Did you ever fill out that Astra caster form?

[crystal tapir]

this is gonna be me when lb tally finishes

[pearl fern]

I mean it can happen for sure, I can take games off you all

just... on average I'm not favored

[tropic slate]

wdym

[safe plaza]

Did you even see the form?

[tropic slate]

probably not

[safe plaza]

They're recruiting new Astra casters

Iirc the form is permanently open

[tropic slate]

oh, I definitely wouldn't be interested in that

[safe plaza]

Really?

[crystal tapir]

🦤

where is it

@ kevinz

[safe plaza]

You wouldn't wanna be an analyst?

[safe plaza]

Astra Twitter

Somewhere

On mobile. Hard to get it

I think Kevin saw it for sure

[barren anchor]

dang all it took was to read to know thx

[tropic slate]

analysis maybe, but I have mediocre takes, I'm not good enough on mic, and I think I'm just more interested in playing

[safe plaza]

Noted

[crystal tapir]

ok maybe im not making it

[safe plaza]

Just for the record I'm not in charge or associated with any of that, I'm just poking people to apply heh

[tropic slate]

lol

[supple marsh]

I'm also poking people to apply, and probably more aggressively than Lia (seriously can we have more casters for other languages)

[tropic slate]

well in that case i definitely couldn't lmao, i'm monolingual

[crystal tapir]

i want more people who are good at tcg to give insight as commentator

cuz rn im pree sure a few of them dont actually play the game 🤔

[subtle ibex]

(also feel free to apply for ctg moderatorship here if yall are interested #📣server-updates message)

[safe plaza]

If you moderate here, you can't play though

Just an FYI

[summer berry]

🦤

[supple marsh]

Please provide samples of your work below. Can be namely Writing and/or Artwork
required question so idk

[barren anchor]

. As of the end of "Cat's Tail Gathering S2": Top 48; Asia Server Cat's Tail Leaderboard: Europe Server Cat's Tail Leaderboard: Top 24; America Server Cat's Tail Leaderboard: Top 24; will advance straight to "Cat's Tail Gathering: Serious Showdown - Spring" held in March to fight for the crown.

wait so serious showdown will happen after this ctg ends?

[summer berry]

So

[crystal tapir]

kevin go commentate pls

[pearl fern]

btw Kevin, the sauce was legit

I'm sorry I doubted

[safe plaza]

Seasauce

[summer berry]

🦤

[pearl fern]

I was so despair with it right before day 1

[tropic slate]

at some point yes, we're not sure the exact format

[pearl fern]

after losing 2 coop games

[tropic slate]

there will probably be a Last Chance Qualifier of some sort

thfill in the other 8 spots

[supple marsh]

does that mean they don't receive card backs as well

[safe plaza]

Yep

[summer berry]

Glad to hear it pulled through for you

[supple marsh]

can they at least get consolation card backs

[safe plaza]

I think TO stuff is generally understaffed rn. GITCG is also on break because they're lacking manpower atm

[pearl fern]

the stall matchup was really rough though but I can take that L

[barren anchor]

do you guys think 10 points would be enough to qualify for the spring ss :yaethunk:

[pearl fern]

I don't think I lost any games against Finaly

[summer berry]

no

Rather

[safe plaza]

Don't think so, but I also don't know how many current mods play TCG to want them

[crystal tapir]

depends on what is required to qualify

[summer berry]

10 points is extremely unlikely to make it

[tropic slate]

cardbacks is the single primary reason I play ctg

[crystal tapir]

If they dq all the invaders and leave only those with a address

[tropic slate]

so that would be a dealbreaker for me

[crystal tapir]

Then probably

[safe plaza]

I'm so sad atm

[pearl fern]

10 is gonna be at best cutoff with tiebreaks

[safe plaza]

I forgot to play last season because of Asia inv

No cardback

[pearl fern]

worst case though 11 points is prob where you want to be

[tropic slate]

cardbacks is the single primary reason i'm a tryhard, even

i want the gold cardback

more than anything

[rotund lichen]

they give mods the card backs can't have your free labour unhappy

[safe plaza]

Also I wish casters got golden cardbacks

[barren anchor]

wait ss requires id?

[crystal tapir]

I dont think so

But then i ask modmail stuff they said the rules arent in place

[supple marsh]

yes there's screening

[crystal tapir]

And to wait for updates

[summer berry]

They have already stated that id is necessary for ss

[rotund lichen]

they would just use the id of a friend in the right country nothing you can do lol

[safe plaza]

The rules are in place

[crystal tapir]

Oh good to know

[pearl fern]

yeah but if you qualified they would know... it's not you!?

[crystal tapir]

Do you need to live in the region tho

[pearl fern]

and then you'd be in deep shit

and just get DQ'd forever

[tropic slate]

on the other hand, if someone has an NA account and is only playing in NA but doesn't live in the region

[crystal tapir]

Or is it only for the 18+ thing

[tropic slate]

that should still be allowed

[twilit steppe]

I think yes because one of the person I matched on SEA qualification is from China and they (as in the organizers) don't want to repeat that anymore (?)

[safe plaza]

Yes

[summer berry]

Right

[safe plaza]

You have to live in the region and be 18+

[summer berry]

The fiasco that was

[rotund lichen]

just be consistent and use their details throughout

[barren anchor]

repeat what

[tropic slate]

like someone who used to live in NA, has an NA account, but currently lives in like philippines or something

[safe plaza]

That's why it's not recommended to play outside of your region

[summer berry]

SEA prince qualifiers

[crystal tapir]

if they can do id stuff why not just make ctg id event for lb players

[supple marsh]

short and sweet answer: we're not CN

[pearl fern]

I think it's just logistics and manpower

[crystal tapir]

Instead if all the discourage cross regional play thing

[safe plaza]

They chose SS to be the grounds for weeding ppl out

[barren anchor]

ayawah iding casuals who're here just for the 3 wins cardback

[safe plaza]

But I agree, they could nip it in the bud sooner. But as Blep says, lack of logistics/manpower is probably the factor atm

[crystal tapir]

No i meant only ko players

[barren anchor]

oh hmge

[rotund lichen]

what does that mean

[gleaming parcel]

McDonald’s is bad

[barren anchor]

that's reasonable

[gleaming parcel]

Not just bad for you, they fund questionable people and organizations and places

[twilit steppe]

As in I think they don't want someone not in SEA participating in SEA qualifier again, sorry I am not being clear😭

[supple marsh]

the TCG scene in China doesn't even need per-event ID check because that check already existed as early as account creation

though fwiw they still do ID checks for majors

[rotund lichen]

wow China are so awesome they really have things figured out

[barren anchor]

ah so "they" was referring to TOs, not the cn player. that was what confused me lol. nw

[barren anchor]

requiring id to play a game sure is amazing /s

[gleaming parcel]

How was everyone’s last day

[tropic slate]

worse than the other days but still good enough

[supple marsh]

their way of doing things there would be a GDPR breach if we're expanding it internationally

[tropic slate]

i am so glad prelims is over, i will be so much less stressed next week

[gleaming parcel]

Valid, I didn’t get to play today, I had to close (I’m on my 10 min break right now)

[tropic slate]

that's unfortunate

not even in morning queue?

[gleaming parcel]

No, morning is like 6-10am for me

[tropic slate]

oh yeah, ugh

[pearl fern]

it's 4-8 for me, but I remember being wide awake at 6am an anxious and deciding if I wanted to play

and then in the end i went back to sleep

[gleaming parcel]

I don’t wake up before noon if I can help it
But I also work evenings so my sleep schedule is different

[pearl fern]

I think I would've been really mad if I woke up and played tired and did bad

[gleaming parcel]

I definetly would be

[slow heart]

I dropped another place on the leaderboard

[tropic slate]

this is why I play evening queue, yeah

I'm on east coast so it's from 8-12am, which is very reasonable, and even I don't want to risk playing tired

[slow heart]

if I drop 1 or 2 more place I can play ting or si r1 for knockout

[pearl fern]

4 min left - it's probably safe

[gleaming parcel]

I think I’m gonna change my strat next season and actually play a meta deck tbh

But I’m curious if there will be any cards that come out in the next patch

I wanna play a Neuv deck whenever he’s released

[rotund lichen]

do a wooden spoon tournament to give incentive to throw 32 games

[pearl fern]

they almost always do 3 new chars at least every patch

I don't see them breaking that trend soon

[tropic slate]

so far they've actually been doing 4 chars

[gleaming parcel]

Last patch was just Thoma and sayu tho?

[tropic slate]

which is exciting

[pearl fern]

I don't think they're at risk of running out of characters for quite some time

[tropic slate]

thoma, sayu, and two monster cards

ice cube and seahorse

[gleaming parcel]

Ohhh gotchya

[pearl fern]

that was a first

[gleaming parcel]

I kinda forget the monster cards exist lol

[pearl fern]

outside of the huge 4.3 wave, it was always 3 chars

for most of them

[tropic slate]

ice cube is actually quite good and seahorse is very good

[gleaming parcel]

Yeeee definetly

[summer berry]

Sayu is good

But anemo sucks

[barren anchor]

ayawah i saw 1 sayu this ctg and it was cope shenhe swirl

[gleaming parcel]

I think I need some ideas for meta decks to play , but I might have to wait until next season too

I played a yelan Lyney seahorse deck that actually used Lyney first, it was interesting

I’m down to chat more later (I’m off at 10:30 and it’s 9pm right now)
About deck ideas that don’t use Fischl or raiden, if someone is willing to help me later

[barren anchor]

diona xingqiu barbara

[gleaming parcel]

lol where is @slow heart
That sounds like one they would use

[slow heart]

I did run that for ctg

32 games of it

[pearl fern]

certified insane

[slow heart]

actually won against yelan otk as well

[safe plaza]

LFGGGG @MATT

@undone spade

[undone spade]

💪 we made it

in game rn though

[safe plaza]

Nice job

Oh gl

[supple marsh]

well final queue is closed

we wait for all matches to be finalized now

[tropic slate]

finishing off game #35

anyway now that queue is closed, here is my entire run up to #5 on the NA leaderboard, complete with vods

(streamed to a series of unlisted youtube videos, did not record the links until after i was done queueing for the day)

[safe plaza]

Nobody watch my LS match pls

💀💀💀💀💀

[twilit steppe]

This makes me want to watch it

[barren anchor]

it's always fun when people note down their matches maybe i should do the same next season

[rose perch]

wtf people actually did heated battles

[tropic slate]

I asked a few times

only the one actually took me up on it

it was the single most fun match i had this entire season

[barren anchor]

[safe plaza]

I uh

Wasn't thinking and let Ning die in a really dumb way

[crystal tapir]

is heat battle the one where you get 8 omni dice every round

[tropic slate]

no, it's draft mode

plus randomly generated deck

[safe plaza]

Omg I forget you can do that

Next time I will fire station heated battle trust

[tropic slate]

the only real improvement I would make is to add the resonance cards to the pool of randomly generated cards, if your characters are eligible for them

[safe plaza]

And never have to tune my entire hand for Bennett burst again

[tropic slate]

other than that heated battle is actually so good

[twilit steppe]

In last tournament I did against my will and in past tournaments I have agreed to that few times haha

[tropic slate]

I see fire station in my nightmares

[safe plaza]

Weeoooweeooo

[rose perch]

it is crazy how you only met 4 nahida fishcl lyney. I literally met over 20 of them

[tropic slate]

i definitely met more than 4

I had 3 today alone

...ok i met 5, that's less than it felt like

hm

[sacred marten]

They are talking about few china players in NA

And too many in AS

So maybe they are coming to NA nexttime

I mean....those top china players

[ancient spindle]

yeah getting their hands on a TCG playable account is pretty easy just need 3 days

[tropic slate]

there are at most 5 invaders on na top 16

I recognize everyone else

[rich wasp]

come to NA

[tropic slate]

hm, and reviewing all three leaderboards

it seems Binzu is the only person who has fewer than 35 games on any of them

unless i'm missing something

smh binzu manipulating the seeding

[safe plaza]

Lol I asked him

He said he was lazy

[tropic slate]

oh of couse he said that

it's a conspiracy i tell you

[pearl glade]

KevinZ to the rescue

[pearl fern]

crazy

[supple marsh]

well queues are closed completely now so

how do you feel

[pearl fern]

I mean I feel good, I didn't think I'd be able to make t16 again

[pearl glade]

Ggwp blep

[night token]

I don't eat at McDonald's

[gleaming parcel]

Good, you shouldn’t, they are funding genocide right now

[wet bluff]

HOPE YOU ALL HAD FUN

[safe plaza]

Banger deck Bit

[pearl glade]

what

what does mcd have to do with genocide

[night token]

I quit eating at McDonald's more than 10 years ago

It's very unhealthy and recently it's becoming more expensive

[gleaming parcel]

They fund Israel

[pearl glade]

man...

i know i asked

but i regret asking

[gleaming parcel]

Sorry 😅

[polar barn]

by region u specifically mean prince cup regions

right

[safe plaza]

Yes and no

Asia will no longer be broken up into KR/JP/SEA for example

[polar barn]

gotcha

[pine heron]

So I guess India is now in AS

[desert arch]

i mean

technically yes

[rotund lichen]

normally yes

the usual split is europe asia america

india is south asia

indians are also referred to as south asian

[polar barn]

give up on your hopes and dreams and die

[pine heron]

Do the honours for me

[ancient spindle]

Wait so this mean less golden card back for AS server

[willow lion]

poger

[thick charm]

that was QUICK

I got it too can confirm

[tropic slate]

this is from season 1 right

[ancient spindle]

yeah

S2 is green

[jolly osprey]

s2 is blue

https://www.hoyolab.com/article/22834745 blue green

[ancient spindle]

[thick charm]

white and yellow

[ancient spindle]

Pink and brown

[desert grove]

We got the silver Dragonspine card back about a month after the conclusion of the last season in which it was offered, 2023 S5. We got this bronze Chasm card back about a month after the conclusion of the sole season in which it was offered, 2024 S1. It's probably reasonable to guess that card backs will be distributed a month after the final season in which you can get them.

[earnest heron]

I still didn't get my s2 tournament reward

[hallow lance]

dw no one did

to quote the message above, "It's... reasonable to guess that card backs will be distributed a month after the final season in which you can get them."

[tropic slate]

keep in mind, S2 isn't even finished yet

the knockout round has not taken place, and nothing ever happens until at least that's done with

[pearl fern]

looks like lb changed slightly rip whoever was 16th before

[slow heart]

No way I was facing some random person for round of 16 and now I am facing si first game

[crystal tapir]

The random person you were gonna fight is a cn smurf

[pearl glade]

did u win

?

[slow heart]

Smurf over si trust

KO didn’t even start yet

[pearl glade]

o

[jolly osprey]

[safe plaza]

godspeed lieil

[vast wind]

[subtle ibex]

[pearl glade]

[rich wasp]

[frozen pike]

[shadow thorn]

Oh so that’s where the welkin came from

[sullen walrus]

[cursive gazelle]

Has anyone who played in past knockouts have had issue of not being able to play in the scheduled time, due to irl conflicts?

If so can players request to play a day earlier or later?

Or are they just forced to withdraw?

[tropic slate]

i did once have an issue where my opponent claimed to have been unaware, until about 1am my time (two hours before the window closed), that they had made the knockouts

I had been pinging them all day and was just getting into bed when they finally arrived, so we ended up playing and I lost, of course, because I was too tired

I think the mods handle it on a case-by-case basis

if you're putting in a good-faith effort and your opponent just isn't working with you then you should be fine. Playing a day earlier/later is unfortunately not allowed I don't think

but also, do try to keep your schedule free enough

[pearl fern]

that's honestly really sus I would not have let them get away with that

[cursive gazelle]

oh that is indeed unfortunate if we are only allowed to play on the scheduled day.. there are irl things you just cant re-schedule around like work

[pearl fern]

it's unfortunate but like, we are talking about a competition with actual prizes on the line

[cursive gazelle]

i understand that, but i think 24 hour window is too limited

48 hours would be a lot better

[pearl fern]

I don't think it's wrong to say each competitor is expected to make it work and if they can't it's too bad and your opponent shouldn't feel bad for not giving you accomodations

[cursive gazelle]

no its not about the opponent giving accommodations, i dont think they should feel bad at all

[pearl fern]

yeah but like replying 2 hours before the window closes sounds way out of line

[cursive gazelle]

but if we were given a 48-hour window to play each knockout round, i think it would make scheduling a lot easier for evryone

[pearl fern]

probably, but you let TOs fix that and until it's done, it's totally fine to make opponents commit to the current rules

[cursive gazelle]

oh sorry i didnt realize you were referring to superbird's case

im just talking in general. if you find out that you cannot commit to the 24-hour window you are given before the round starts, have accomodations been made before?

[pearl fern]

it's just a general statement especially at the KO level it is better not to give benefit of the doubt and where you can just prioritize yourself

you'd have to work that out with the opponent probably

but I don't see why not

[cursive gazelle]

ya for sure something you'd need to work out with opponent and staff

[pearl fern]

the window reads to me like the results have to be finalized within that time

so you could prob play your matches earlier, have the results ready, and post in the 24h window

[cursive gazelle]

im just wondering if anyone has had experience with these kinds of accomodations

ah ok

since the staff seem to have access to in-game history, i was wondering if they'd need to verify whether those games happened within that 24 hour window or not

[pearl fern]

as long as both players agree to the results I don't see why that'd be an issue. The important thing here is to always keep track in case of disputes. So save the matches until results are in, and also save conversations that happened in DMs

but at the same time - if you can't make the window, I think your opponent is completely within their right to not accommodate you and request that you play it in that window and it's not a dick move

[cursive gazelle]

ya for sure

just unfortunate that the window is only limited to 24 hours

[rotund lichen]

actually sometimes a really short window can be better too

like the story above, the problem was waiting hours and hours

whereas making one exact time is usually not too bad

[stiff crypt]

I wonder what would happen if both players can't find a time when both players can play
When one person is free, the other person is busy and vice versa

[barren anchor]

hi. could the same embed improvement be made in #1071009830044704878 as well?

[pearl fern]

If you visit the prelim ranking first, the names should show properly on KO brackets

Since discord will force load the names into cache

I don't think the KO page can do the same thing due to the formatting

[subtle ibex]

I'll let the TOs know when I can ~

[barren nacelle]

I forgor about ctg and ended up missing this season

is the blue chasm cardback just season 2 exclusive or will there be another opportunity for it later?

[tropic slate]

we don't know

[rotund lichen]

it said exclusive but they could do anything

bricked account you'll never have it

[tropic slate]

thank you so much for sharing this

we have been trying to find a screenshot for ages

[strange peak]

Too bad he left before I ulted

I think I still have the vid

[tropic slate]

oh noooo and you had the perfect line there too to not waste any dice

[strange peak]

https://youtu.be/BhjGZukDdn0?si=4pmepma9JZOgMPEf

[arctic valve]

insta concede

[strange peak]

https://tenor.com/view/heart-cat-cute-kitty-gif-17215321

[pearl glade]

adorable

[crystal tapir]

nya~

[pine heron]

[twilit lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-fresh-gif-13890949620129424116

[ancient spindle]

[ancient spindle]

[safe plaza]

good try @sullen walrus

proud of you for how far you got!

[night token]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-cat-cat-cat-tongue-tongue-tongue-sticking-out-gif-17562645742453176990

[polar barn]

shann

[pearl glade]

me

[strange peak]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-dance-cat-dance-cat-dancing-hey-hey-you-you-gif-10281105765813690669

[pearl glade]

https://www.hoyolab.com/article/25791452

[supple marsh]

fun question: would it be funny if one day a known LATAM player enters CTG top 4 (saying this because for some reason people keep calling the America server NA)

[cobalt kite]

NA is 2 letters, NA & LATAM is 7, so is America

[supple marsh]

but calling America NA is literally excluding LATAM

is it worth cutting letters

[cobalt kite]

nah
now we call NA AM :trust:

[polar barn]

just say A

for america

[gleaming parcel]

But there is more than the United States in the Americas

[elfin smelt]

Nam nam nam 🥚 🍌

[pearl glade]

MURICUH!!!

[gleaming parcel]

Ew, that is not something to be proud of right now

[twilit steppe]

People in are just joking I think? || but yeah it's nothing to be proud of, not just now but ever 🙊 ||

[gleaming parcel]

I’m from the United States and I hate it here lol

[pearl glade]

What are we talking about

Im confused

[safe plaza]

I hope you guys are ready for CTG's stream today!

[supple marsh]

promise me there will be news

[twilit steppe]

Hopefully I will be awake at that time and not instead

[supple marsh]

you might want to go a mimir now

[twilit steppe]

You are right, it's just that my sleeping schedule is very bad right now maybe I should just watch the EU one

[eternal musk]

this doesn't make sense.
so let's call Asia AS SEA just because Inzhagi won.

[supple marsh]

... you missed my point.

I'm not calling an area something else because they won (I'm not saying we should call America LATAM, duh), I'm saying that it does not make sense if the "America server" is called "North America" despite it covering all of the Americas

[eternal musk]

The point is, this has nothing to do with the classifieds region

[supple marsh]

I'm just picking "LATAM at CTG finals" because then it's significant enough to become a problem

and casters will have to change the way they colloquially call the server because it's not all NA anymore

[crystal tapir]

Btw whens the na stream

[eternal musk]

The thing is, they could change that without having to wait for something like that to happen.
but currently I doubt anyone really cares about that

[supple marsh]

I'd expect adoption to take a while though (look right above you)

[eternal musk]

basically it's still much easier to just say NA than America and AM already conflict with something else

[crystal tapir]

so uhhhh whens the a stream

[eternal musk]

idk

[twilit steppe]

About 7 hours 20 minutes from now on I think?

[twilit steppe]

https://www.youtube.com/live/IwUg_9m5Gqo

[crystal tapir]

:kleesis

[pearl fern]

Should be 3h from now

[safe plaza]

it's time

see ya soon guys

[subtle ibex]

[left hull]

That ting guy is so good just like kevinz

[pearl glade]

Goon squad

[supple marsh]

oh lawd Blep is in the main list

[rich wasp]

blep making it in

only person with 10 points

caster gives tie breaking priority

[supple marsh]

no way

[rich wasp]

realistically the tie break is by uh

best one season performance

and then by recency

but yeah there’s definitely a few 10 point people who didn’t make it

[supple marsh]

wait how does recency work

[rich wasp]

idk just s2 performance matters more than s1?

i’m just guessing

[supple marsh]

hopefully so

(pls ask)

[rich wasp]

also

one person with 5 points made it in AS as well

which definitely had a lot of tiebreaks

[summer berry]

Plot armor

[sick blaze]

Yes, it is like this

[supple marsh]

wait, so what happens if both of them tie on recency

[strange peak]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-kittens-usa-america-4th-of-july-gif-3431603

[pearl glade]

https://tenor.com/view/nyan-cat-america-flag-usa-space-gif-5235025

[twilit steppe]

[safe plaza]

LOL

ting 1st place leaderboard 1st place KOs is crazy btw

@hard vale insane

[barren anchor]

congrats ting indeed :bugcatnod:

[twilit steppe]

This reminds me that I haven't watched it oops, maybe I should watch it

[safe plaza]

was a pretty fun series

[south tiger]

Ting best NA player

[tropic slate]

best player is best player yep

[pearl fern]

calculated

[pearl glade]

Ting sauce’d!

[twilit steppe]

I just finished.. you're right it's fun. Both the winners played well.. I think I can learn more from them if I rewatch intently
~~And it makes me less embarrassed having defeated by both of them in Prince Cup SEA, major qualification, CTG etc ~~
Oh also I think the commentary was good especially from Blep's

[hard vale]

[safe plaza]

Thank you for the feedback Ryssa

@pearl fern lookie!

As always, if anyone has any constructive criticism for me I'm all ears!

[safe plaza]

[pearl fern]

thanks!

[pearl fern]

frieren pfp is indeed all ears

[safe plaza]

I love her

Still not fully caught up

[desert grove]

I just finished watching the America Finals. This was my first time watching competitive TCG.

@safe plaza and @pearl fern, I think you two did a great job.
• I'm not so knowledgeable when it comes to the meta, so pointing out general deck strategies and then discussing adaptations the players want to make based on the matchup and board state was helpful.
• I appreciated the moments where you did quick math to determine the amount of damage a player can do and whether that damage is lethal. Sometimes it got really difficult to tell with so many linked interactions, and there were moments where you seemed to be wondering whether there was a lethal route or not, but I don't blame you for not knowing with how complex things got. It is nonetheless helpful for me as a viewer if I don't need to think and you can just tell me "XYZ has lethal here if he does ABC."
• There were a few moments where you two were left wondering what cards the top player had e.g. "Is that Lotus or Minty Meat Rolls?", which is an interface problem that could be improved.
• I love it when you point out what a player might be expecting from his or her opponent; e.g. expecting a quick swap, a particular Arcane Legend, IHLY!, etc. It's easy to forget as a an omniscient viewer that the players are operating based on limited information.
• I appreciated your positive and professional tone.
• I appreciated any extra information you were able to provide about the players, such as decks they'd used before, typical playstyles, and past performances.
• I think a team of two casters is much better than just one.

[safe plaza]

this feedback is super valuable! thank you so much for your thorough notes

[crystal tapir]

Yea for sure pls make ui show cards fully

All the foods looks the same

or redesign the card so that the top is distinct

[hard vale]

What if u have both mmr's in a deck to confuse everyone

1 of each food

So u can't know what food is which

When spectating

[pearl fern]

Yes appreciate the time you took to write this out - it's good to hear about things that worked as well as things that didn't. It sounded like you enjoyed it overall so I'm glad!

Haha multiple casters is for sure a must. A single person is more like a reaction video than a cast

[desert grove]

Yes, I definitely enjoyed it! I just wanted to provide a number of reasonable suggestions for future improvement since you two are open to feedback!

[pearl fern]

the card issue will be hard to solve but good to know the explanations of metas and common lines is helpful since it's always hard to strike a balance between newer audiences and more experienced ones.

Missing lethal though is just classic TCG problems even players do it all the time haha and it's honestly harder while casting, but we'll try out best

I know that was the Yelan vs Freeze OTK match too, I was too focused in on going to next round and missed that one side could just win

[crystal tapir]

Na casters are already very good, i remember some casters that probably dont even play the game

[tropic slate]

caster who made t16 pog

other caster who made t32 pog

[crystal tapir]

Blep is literally better then me

Then again im semi retired

[pearl fern]

it's fine i'm gonna get creamed in SS, the 4.5 meta looks whack and this time I won't have the benefit of having the better players figure it out first so I can play their decks like Seasauce

[desert grove]

Yes, I felt like you casted at a great level!

I don't know the specifics of the interface, but I understand if it's a trickier problem to make the top player's cards more visible than I'm imagining it to be. It's not a huge deal if you can't get this fixed.

Haha you make a good point regarding the lethal, that's just classic TCG problems.

[pearl fern]

yeah Lia spotted that one before me - I got hyperfocused on the next round haha definitely happens

[pearl glade]

Everyone get on the blep hypetrsin

It’s happening fr

[crystal tapir]

Gl in ss

I go play league of legends until meta is fun again

[ancient spindle]

🚮

meta will never be fun

[pearl fern]

I actually think the meta is fun enough, but just action cards/deck builds are not diverse enough. The gameplay is somewhat ok

I don't mind that a jeht/gilded deck exists but it's bad when it exists alongside other decks with like 20 of the same 30 cards

[ancient spindle]

Indeed we rarely have a good patch where everything is well balanced. We really need a diversed meta not just RPS meta

[crystal tapir]

Rn the game has 0 long term planning and to me thats just not very fun

and also i suck at abusing magic

In a game where this jeht stuff exists

[pearl fern]

RPS meta is hard to avoid in some ways. I think it's better than a singole top deck as long as formats have bans, but blind pick makes RPS worse

[crystal tapir]

Stall just cant exist

[pearl fern]

I think long term stuff is difficult with how the game works since you don't really have cases where you build up to anything large

everything is incremental

I think that's just a flaw in the game design rather than current meta

[cursive viper]

woah RPS Cube Meta

[pearl fern]

in something like MTG or Hearthstone where you have like, things you can't play until way later in the game - you can have a plan where you stall out the game long enough to play a big thing and win

that just doesn't exist in GITCG

closest would be building up to a burst

[crystal tapir]

Well even just last patch ls was good, knowing when to sac hp for long term shield, when to cleanse, when to charge burst threat etc

Now its just “how do i end this guy before r3”

[pearl fern]

mm though those don't necessarily sound like long term plans but just knowing how to get value in specific board states and build into a lead

but definitely current meta seems pretty hostile to stall strats

[crystal tapir]

Well now you dont really have to choose between building burst or equip or stall swap or saving cards

Now you just rush xq burst and burn every card until you deckout anyways by r3

Ofc theres still skill in knowing sequencing and how to maximize draws

Or how playing around freeze works

But the skill expression is just much different than what i enjoy which is subjective

Maybe in a world having infinite dice gen and drawing every magic piece to race for otk r1 is fun but its just not for me

[hard vale]

good

[pearl fern]

always fair to say you don't enjoy the state of the game or specific decks existing

[hard vale]

i dont want to lose slowly in 30 minutes

id rather get highrolled in 8

but thats personal preference

[crystal tapir]

Well not even stall, anything that doesnt threaten r3 kill cant exist

No yaoayo no 2nemo no benny

[pearl fern]

seasauce was doing ok when Finaly was still more popular, but probably not that favored into the current meta

[crystal tapir]

The first half of 4.4 was fine

It was only after jeht getting discovered that the game spiralled into bad

[pearl glade]

I mean tbf

Jett is imba

It’s the highest ramp power card that can be procced almost instantly

With no limit and barely not needing investment

[pearl fern]

The main issue is jeht decks don't give up enough in aggro to have such a favored matchup against stall

But it's still not like definitely the best you could b doin

[left hull]

Guys it's Lia's birthday today

[tropic slate]

barely not needing investment

you need to design your entire deck around it or it straight-up does not work

it needs a huge amount of investment

but it does return on that

...most of the time

[pearl fern]

honestly I think it's neat we have a deck that can play without food and be successful, though maybe that shouldn't be the case

[crystal tapir]

the investment part is fake since youre bringing the magic package in any rainbow deck anyways
the only difference is that make you add a few more draw cards instead of food but the game end on r3 anyways

its not like the cards are there only to proc jeht, the cards are there to draw you more cards and give you more dice

[pearl fern]

I would def like to see a version of this without the gilded portion, I agree that isn't healthy.

It basically only runs gilded because you draw your whole deck anyway and so gilded yayoi lyre is just that good when you can always combine them

Otherwise that half of the deck has no synergy with jeht

[safe plaza]

NEXT TIME

[gleaming parcel]

Can I ask for help building a meta deck that doesn’t have Fischl or raiden in it

[arctic valve]

i think finaly will evolve onto Cicinaly, dunno if that counts for you

[gleaming parcel]

Idk what that means

[arctic valve]

finaly: fischl nahida liney

cicinaly: electro cicin nahida liney

[gleaming parcel]

what is the electro cicin

I saw a Lyney seahorse yelan deck once that was really good

[gleaming parcel]

I didn’t know that cardexisted

But I’d prefer not to play the deck that 60% of the users are playing too

I dismissed finaly a long time ago

[willow lion]

you'd think 60% of the user are playing this except everyone is playing jeht rn

everywhere i go its just jeht vs jeht

[gleaming parcel]

I didn’t see many Jeht cards this season tbh

I did see a lot of rainbow / magic engine tho

which I kind of want to try playing

[twilit steppe]

Yeah so many people in Asia random matchmaking right now who used Jeht engine including myself

[willow lion]

literally everyone:

[gleaming parcel]

Okay, but my desire to play a meta deck next season is still there

[cursive gazelle]

asking for meta deck is kinda an awkward timing right now

since new patch drops tmr

we wont really know what meta will be like for a while

especially since finaly is going to the

but jeht engine still looks promising

[arctic valve]

it doesnt matter the chars, it will be hyper magic everywhere

[cursive gazelle]

will stall rise again

[arctic valve]

with star apparitions of LS and childe dp

[cursive gazelle]

[gleaming parcel]

It definitely does matter lol

But yeah, I kind of forgot we are getting new cards tomorrow too

[arctic valve]

it doesnt, trust me

[gleaming parcel]

Ehhhhhhhhhhh

Unless you have really good skill it does matter

[cursive gazelle]

well kinda does in the sense that you want characters that fit specific roles

but there are many different combinations

[arctic valve]

you can stamp neuvillete bennet + something, or liney juan + something, or yelan + cryo char + electro char

[gleaming parcel]

But you also need 3 characters of different elemental type to get the most out of the gilded cards

[arctic valve]

every single deck that is not stall will be using hypermagic

[cursive gazelle]

its just funny that you have 2 decks with completely different characters but exact same deck list

[arctic valve]

or will be wanting to lose

[cursive gazelle]

i can see that

[gleaming parcel]

Wdym

I don’t have hyper magic on any of my decks

[arctic valve]

not going hypermagic rn is playing handicaped

unless youre playing LS or childe dp

[gleaming parcel]

Which is why I asked about a deck to play it with

[arctic valve]

if you dont like hyper, go for LS or childe dp

[gleaming parcel]

I

Don’t

Know

What

That

Means

[cursive gazelle]

this is hypermagic

characters are flexible but you use these 30 cards

[arctic valve]

LS is life sentence, childe dp is childe death penalty

[twilit lodge]

next patch is likely the worse patch to play meta

[cursive gazelle]

oh wait why does it only have 1 yayoi

[rich wasp]

its -1 boar +1 yayoi to get falcons list

[twilit steppe]

One of my favorite deck right now.. fun to play when you get the right cards at the right time

[cursive gazelle]

fun until you bottom deck jeht

[rich wasp]

highest wr deck of the patch

(carried by falcon)

and also barely takes a hit next patch compraed to some other decks

[twilit steppe]

Yeah sometimes I only get like 1 Jeht

[twilit steppe]

Oh that is good to know..

[cursive gazelle]

i know that feeling

i need to find time to watch falcon's games

i heard it was legendary

[gleaming parcel]

Three seasons ago I was horrible, so I built a Tighnari - Yae - Nahida neck
Which I used two seasons ago and did decently
I tried using that again this last season and struggled my first few matches so I made a Thoma - Ayato - Lyney deck and did better until the last few days when I was getting matched with players that had trouble my win rate
I still really enjoy my Thoma - Ayato - Lyney deck

And I prefer playing with characters I like
But I just have a feeling I’ll need to use a better deck next tournament

[gleaming parcel]

What deck?

[cursive gazelle]

well next tournament is in 4.6, and new cards will come up

[twilit steppe]

The Xingqiu Chongyun Razor one

[cursive gazelle]

so if you just want a tournament deck, better wait until end of 4.5

[arctic valve]

you can still play ayato liney thoma... with hypermagic

[twilit lodge]

i also prefer playing characters i like, thats why my top 5 favourite decks all contain barbara and layla

[gleaming parcel]

Oh I didn’t see anyone mention that deck

[twilit lodge]

🥹

[gleaming parcel]

But gilded doesn’t work with that deck

[rich wasp]

you can play ayato thoma ayaka hypermagic

[cursive gazelle]

omg the kamisato family bundle

[gleaming parcel]

Yeah but when i do that, I lose every match. I probably wouldn’t have gotten the card back if I didn’t make my new deck

[twilit steppe]

Oh yeah someone defeated me with that

[gleaming parcel]

I don’t see how tho

Like with their bursts and skills stuff idk
What order to use or anything like

It would be clunky I think

[rich wasp]

thoma skill/na skill/na burst ayato skill na burst unga

[rich wasp]

and you copy the action cards above

[gleaming parcel]

What action cards

[cursive gazelle]

like i said characters are flexible

i posted them like 10min ago

[arctic valve]

now i would like to test this list with rxn

[rich wasp]

(-1 boar +1 yayoi)

[gleaming parcel]

I literally don’t see any deck or cards posted here except the electro fatui one

[cursive gazelle]

ya +1 yayoi but im not sure which to kick

maybe boar ya.....

oh maybe the image isnt loading for you

[rich wasp]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1072075083025223770/1217021395901354066/1710230425711.jpg?ex=6602827f&is=65f00d7f&hm=b40d2dc614753d6b8d8caf80233b87e08cd577837056f91facf3d717f25c8210&=&format=webp&width=540&height=733

[gleaming parcel]

Oh thank you

Hmm

Not not really familiar with boar princess or the last cards, or the epic, jeht, and I don’t really understand the use of deyunrezard how however you spell her name

[rich wasp]

dun for short

[gleaming parcel]

There are quite a few cards in that deck I don’t understand / haven’t played / read the cards but don’t understand how they’re useful / how to use them

[rich wasp]

the trick with this deck is drawing the entire deck and simply playing every card in the deck

and then things work out somehow

[gleaming parcel]

Don’t you need a specific order though?? Or to aim for a certain order?

[cursive gazelle]

well ideally you have dun first and pull her down first to draw out companions

[rich wasp]

the cards that say “draw” on them you play first

[cursive gazelle]

but even if you don't start with her, its not too bad to put down companions on their own

[gleaming parcel]

Idk, it just seems like there isn’t much of a plan with that deck and that stresses me out

[rich wasp]

xq na na burst chong skill

and then on r3 you have almost infinite dice and figure something out

[cursive gazelle]

the plan is you draw out 2x jeht, get her to 6 stacks then burst. now you have infinite dice

[gleaming parcel]

I tend to prefer decks that have a clear plan
Which I suppose are more “combo” decks that aggravate but idk
That’s how I know how to play and I’m most comfortable with that play style

[cursive gazelle]

along with things like gilded and lyresong in hand

this is a combo deck

[arctic valve]

infinte = 8 😝

[cursive gazelle]

infinite compared to the 0 dice your opponent has

[rich wasp]

not gonna say the deck isn’t complicated since it is

[gleaming parcel]

I’m down to play a few games with someone so y’all can better understand my current deck / how I play

[rich wasp]

but it’s like learning to ride a bicycle

[cursive gazelle]

blep made a video on it https://youtu.be/6g4qPTISNMw?si=oY5bFDm1B3F0IbdW

[rich wasp]

id suggest playing some games with it and watching some gameplay

[gleaming parcel]

lol you say that but I was never very good at riding a bike

Well like
I’ve seen some magic engine / rainbow decks that don’t use dunrezard or jeht tho

[cursive gazelle]

this is a different engine

[pearl fern]

I would really not recommend that if you're not familiar with how the pieces are though

[cursive gazelle]

it uses the arti engine along with jeht

[pearl fern]

I guess the plan is pretty clear if you follow the normal lines at least

honestly if you want something similar but less... all in? The Liyue Friends with Hu Tao is probably a fine place to start. That or the Seahorse deck is pretty decent

[cursive gazelle]

liyue friends run jeht?

[gleaming parcel]

What’s the seahorse deck

[pearl fern]

It doesn't, but I prob wouldn't recommend Jeht in general as an intro to like dunya and magic

[gleaming parcel]

I’ve played against a few of the rainbow decks, just haven’t played it myself

[twilit steppe]

I actually struggle more with Liyue friends the Seahorse deck might be alright for people who just started learning it though

[pearl fern]

https://youtu.be/4lkoOc62Gjw

it's a deck with a decently simple opening (yaoyao into Seahorse), but some flexible decisions, and runs Magic

and pretty resilient to mistakes since it's high healing/value

it... prob will be worse into v4.5 meta though

[gleaming parcel]

Interesting

[cursive gazelle]

its fine just a starting point

[gleaming parcel]

I mentioned it earlier but I saw a yelan - seahorse - Lyney deck once

it did surprisingly good

[cursive gazelle]

that has pretty much the same decklist as i sent

[pearl fern]

that one is usually also built around Jeht, and is prob even less straightforward than the chong-xq version

[cursive gazelle]

ya

[pearl fern]

you can basically take the same chong-razor list, and just run yelan-seahouse-lyney

[cursive gazelle]

it has multiple openings unlike the xq versions

[pearl fern]

but the play patterns can be a bit weirder

[summer berry]

A lot of discussion here

🦤

[gleaming parcel]

Idk, fbs combos were just good on it, I don’t remember them using jeht though
They also started with Lyney which was interesting

[cursive gazelle]

maybe they never drew jeht

but jeht engine pkg was refined later in the patch

i dont think many ppl used it in prelim

[gleaming parcel]

Im just really skeptical about using jeht and dunrezard

[cursive gazelle]

but yes starting lyney is an option

[pearl fern]

Lyney is mostly there to trigger your card draw cards like Chang, since he deals piercing dmg to himself

[gleaming parcel]

Copy-pasting decks just feels weird to me

[pearl fern]

I mean the Seahorse list is pretty flexible for your own preferences

if you play Jeht decks you basically have to copy the entire deck

because it's goal is to draw the 30 cards more or less

[cursive gazelle]

jeht engine runs the exact same 28 cards

you have flexibility for about 2 cards

[pearl fern]

but feel free to take the seahorse list, remove some cards that you don't like and add in some others

[gleaming parcel]

They just ran like an overload - electroize? (why can’t I remember the word for electro + hydro)
It was just really effective against my deck that tended to run in a specific order / it was very disruptive to plans

[pearl fern]

well yeah you usually get overloaded since they go lyney-seahorse

[gleaming parcel]

Is it still workable with magic engine?

[pearl fern]

if you want an overload deck there's Bennett Manifestation Klee

[cursive gazelle]

the reactions arent the point of the deck

[pearl fern]

it runs gilded yeah

[cursive gazelle]

the point is, all 3 characters can draw easily, seahorse tanks, have low energy cost for burst, and yelan burst combined with lyney is very strong finisher

[gleaming parcel]

hmmm
Cause I wanna run gilded with it, but I’m not sure what other cards to use if I don’t use jeht or dun

Fjdkskdj sorry I’m being weird

[cursive gazelle]

blep's yaoyao seahorse doesnt run jeht

[pearl fern]

maybe just got to the video and look at the list first in the description?

[twilit steppe]

I didn't knew Lucky Dog & Joyous Celebration were an option for this deck tbh I just copied KevinZ's list. Maybe I should try this one

[pearl fern]

this is a bit of an older list heh

whatever was used in EU ko's is more up to date

but this list is also fine, I mean it's what I used in KOs

[cursive gazelle]

o whats kevinz's list

[twilit steppe]

Oh alright.. 🤓👍

[gleaming parcel]

Hmmmm I also still have to get seahorse and yelan cards lol

Also random question, but why are talent cards rarely put in decks

[twilit steppe]

Has TOTM & Passing of Judgement instead if I am not misremembering

[twilit steppe]

Most talents are not worth it or even useless sadly

[cursive gazelle]

they are strong characters in jeht engine decks

[twilit steppe]

And it has one Paimon too

[gleaming parcel]

lol no one took up my offer of playing a few matches to see my most recent deck lol

[ancient spindle]

here's my version

[cursive gazelle]

im in bed

[twilit steppe]

Well I can if you want

[gleaming parcel]

If anything I also need practice against magic engine / remind me how it works

[gleaming parcel]

Yes please

[cursive gazelle]

oh very aggro for a yaoyao deck

[gleaming parcel]

It looks almost the same as the other deck

[twilit steppe]

Should I join your world or do you want to join mine?

[gleaming parcel]

Im world level 8 if that matters

[ancient spindle]

bc the decklist is so good you can use it with any character as long as its rainbow deck

[pearl fern]

this was the seasauce list from EU I guess it upgraded 2 cost artis into 3 costs for more value

[ancient spindle]

[twilit steppe]

Oh I am also WL8, well it's up to you which world we can play

[pearl glade]

ReZero

[pearl fern]

Looks like it's probably leaning more to dealing with combo matchups than aggro? Hard to say

THe core is the same anyway

[gleaming parcel]

635932231 is my uid

[pearl glade]

100%

[gleaming parcel]

@pearl fern what would the difference be for a yelan - seahorse - Lyney
And a Yao Yao - seahorse- Lyney

[twilit lodge]

kevinz still prefers clam over lucky dog, i think it actually works especially well in close format

[pearl fern]

They're totally different decks. I don't think you would play Yelan-SH-Lyney with just normal cards, they don't work well unless you are using Jeht

[pearl glade]

Former is hyper magic deck mainly

[pearl fern]

Lucky dog saved me one match so it must be good

+6 healing against finaly

[cursive gazelle]

omg im blocked by coryn i just wasted the last hour for nothing

[twilit lodge]

🦤

when kevinz first presented the deck it was so cope

[cursive gazelle]

[gleaming parcel]

How would the Yao Yao one work without using jeht? But still using magic engine?
I’m still a little lost
And not sure what order you would do for card playing
Or what cards / skills / bursts

[pearl fern]

I mean I would just refer you to the video which has a short bit on gameplay and then a sample game I don't really feel like re-explaining it

[gleaming parcel]

[pearl fern]

but the 1 liner is just - yaoyao skill and then go seahorse and stay on it for a bit

then it depends

[cursive gazelle]

well i hope the stuff i shared at least helped others

[gleaming parcel]

Can you link the video again

[pearl fern]

https://youtu.be/4lkoOc62Gjw

[gleaming parcel]

Thank you

[cursive gazelle]

oh they didnt see it cuz i linked it

[summer berry]

Everything takes refinement 🦤

Your ideas definitely helped me find the right path for the deck

[twilit lodge]

ofc my ideas helped when ur idea was to play baizhu eremite

🛌

[summer berry]

🚮

[gleaming parcel]

Tell me more

[summer berry]

I never actually believed in loremaster

[twilit lodge]

🦤

kevinz baiting ppl again

🍃

[summer berry]

🦤

I always said lyney was better

[gleaming parcel]

I must be getting sleepy cause I thought you said lobster

[summer berry]

And coped that loremaster was an ok alternative

[ancient spindle]

Loremaster hypermagic

[gleaming parcel]

What does that mean

[ancient spindle]

[ancient spindle]

its just this deck list and replace with loremaster and 2 other chars

[gleaming parcel]

Who is loremaster

[rich wasp]

just goes to show that sauce that stays hidden is never refined

[gleaming parcel]

????

[ancient spindle]

the pyro char is loremaster

[summer berry]

Flowing rings :pitawtf:

[ancient spindle]

[twilit steppe]

Why does this (the Loremaster deck) look kind of kopium sorry.. I never tried it so I might be super wrong though

[gleaming parcel]

Wait wdym

[twilit steppe]

The deck DarkShrine posted above

Also sorry my internet was so bad

[pearl fern]

Trust your instincts

It's just freeze otk list

[summer berry]

Nah trust my original build that I made day 1 would clear

[gleaming parcel]

It’s okay, im struggling regardless lol

[left hull]

jeht overrated

[safe plaza]

huh

cicin > fischl? huh?

that's surprising to me

[left hull]

the guy asked for a deck with no fischl

[cursive gazelle]

well electro cicin's talent is better than fischl

[safe plaza]

seahorse > cicin

[cursive gazelle]

they have different roles i'd say

[willow lion]

i think any pyro would perform better

[polar barn]

nah

[left hull]

babel is goated

[pearl glade]

nah

[left hull]

[pearl glade]

nah nah

naenae

[polar barn]

oz deez nuts

[pine heron]

Why so many oz fans but no Fischl fans

[sullen walrus]

wdym?

[desert arch]

immernachtreich

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