📌gimshim-help

[bright pollen]

most healers today can and should use other sets as they both heal enough already, and can be used to provide other buffs for the team

yeah go for VV then, it's the universal set for most Anemo supports

and you can pair 2pc VV 2pc ATK% for DPS characters

[clear ginkgo]

Oh that ocean set that heals is better for some healers right? Like Barbra,…koko who I don’t have.

[clear ginkgo]

I have that on heizou

[bright pollen]

not just that set, there are plenty sets that healers can use nowadays to provide all kinds of things

the ocean set for example is designed to turn overhealing into DMG output

you can also do 4pc Tenacity for some characters, or 4pc Deepwood if Dendro RES shred is needed, etc. too

[bright pollen]

yeah you can do the same with Venti if you want, saves a lot of resources

[clear ginkgo]

I do have some on my debdro teams, I think I have it on kuki? & I was getting some for my Yae as well.

[clear ginkgo]

I have to see my stats on venti. But Ik I need good em pieces for him, sucrose & Kazuha.

[bright pollen]

Might be more optimal to use 4pc Deepwood on Dendro sub DPS characters as Kuki can get more EM from 4pc Gilded for Hyperbloom and Yae can use 4pc Golden Troupe for DMG, but if not possible then sure

[bright pollen]

I’m pretty sure you don’t need EM for DPS Venti? you should double check though

[muted kettle]

Should i wish on durin banner? im a f2p and want to make teams for abyss , what banner shd i wait for which is meta rn ? im a returning player i thought id save for c6 kazuha but i dont think his rerun will happen soon

[strange scarab]

Should you

[muted kettle]

dont know man

[rugged sparrow]

Durin is a pretty good supp/DPS, fairly flexible and makes older units fairly relevant again
meta basically shifts towards whatever banner is featured so
spare for some outlier DPS units

[muted kettle]

Does it make ganyu worth using or nah?

Cause from what i like saw on lists and stuff shes not really good anymore

[rugged sparrow]

I don't play Ganyu but I doubt it

she'll probably get buffed like how some older Mond chars are buffed, who knows

[muted kettle]

Does durin work as a main dps ? or shd i wait for someone that is more dps like , just wondering if he ll work with my other charecters

[rugged sparrow]

he should work

you're only showing your 5-stars so hard to say if he'll work with the rest of your roster

[muted kettle]

I was just wondering because i dont have the newer charecters

[rugged sparrow]

should be workable with Durin/Bennett/Sucrose/Xq

[muted kettle]

and for the other team i run kazuha and raiden?

[rugged sparrow]

or Tighnari

[muted kettle]

Is he worth it ?never used him

[rugged sparrow]

his team should be better than poverty c1 Raiden team options

[muted kettle]

Damn thanks , do u have any idea when the next kazuha rerun will be?

[rugged sparrow]

in any likelihood, your 2nd team is definitely gonna revolve around Fischl

and no

[muted kettle]

do u think itll be soon or nah

[rugged sparrow]

[muted kettle]

So what four tighnari fischl and?

[rugged sparrow]

idk why you keep pushing for answers when hoyo re-run trend is as unpredictable as it gets

[muted kettle]

Mb didnt know thought the leaks and stuff maybe people would know

thanks bro

[rugged sparrow]

can probs try Raiden/Yaoyao/Kazuha/Fischl or Sara actually

or Tigh/Fischl/Sayu/Lisa

can replace Sayu for Kaz on the Tigh team if you don't need sustain

[swift pike]

yo is this a decent off piece for arlecchino

[rugged sparrow]

ehh

6 useful subs total, not too bad

[sick quarry]

How do I unlock this chest? There's nothing to fight, so what is meant to unlock it?

[cedar flint]

Probably something to do with that floating thing no? but opening the interactive map will give you the answer if you click on that chest

[lyric cargo]

wait, you have 4 limited chars and lost to every single standard char?
I'd say that's some incredibly bad luck, but you also kinda forced vertical investment rather than getting a wide char pool

you didn't wish on the standard banner with primogems, right?

[sick quarry]

Ok, the chest doesn't show up on the interactive map.

Yet it's still in the game.

[neon wave]

It's probably under puzzle pins

[lyric cargo]

maybe it's related to those lanterns in the background?
they have their own pins, iirc

[sick quarry]

Then I don't know how they even work, because I already forgot how stuff works in Chenyu Vale.

[lyric cargo]

you send balls of energy flying through them and try to hit all of them iirc

"Jade Incense Cauldron" is the name of the tag on the interactive map

you can search for it there and activate it
someone likely left a comment, if not on that one then on another one, about how they work

[rugged sparrow]

uh, all?

it's not like you can only upgrade few, you can upgrade them all

[lyric cargo]

would be an interesting video idea to record some runs without the witch buffs, then do homework and show the difference side by side

or can the buffs be disabled? I assume not

[rugged sparrow]

dont think they can be disabled

yes, really
Razor isnt unlocked for me cuz my Razor is not lv70

ye

[balmy cove]

Which Mualani build is better?

[rugged sparrow]

optimizer angle

or if you're lazy just try hitting a random world boss with full team buffs and see which have the highest dmg

the Temper event? yeah non-repeating char cons only

[lyric cargo]

time for me to level up one more char for theater again

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1364590615752605768/1446225594709970995/grafik.png?ex=6933360b&is=6931e48b&hm=08289f8136d97f59ef2e4fd54d4c8edbe07178f1f87c3fb14d82f7e85dc67f72&

I guess Mika is the least bad

[rugged sparrow]

phantom

[rugged sparrow]

I'd argue Rosa is better but

[lyric cargo]

even though I have Escoffier, so even if I get Skirk I wouldn't use Mika

[rugged sparrow]

Lynette / Sayu is also there

Heizou is also fine-ish, TTDS + VV bot and has EM buff at c4

[lyric cargo]

it's a way to show chars I don't own, for starting chars / borrowing from a friend

[rugged sparrow]

ic

but yeah Mika is just blegh

no off-field app to trigger IT blessings, aspd buff is rather niche, and healing is kinda optional

[lyric cargo]

right, that's a thing. actually helping chars like Gorou be somewhat viable I heard

[rugged sparrow]

ye some IT blessings appreciate off-field chars

Rosa also has cr buff which is more applicable

and your Rosa is c4 to help her ER issue a bit

[opal surge]

I would do rosa

[rugged sparrow]

fwiw Rosa's DPS, boosted with IT blessings, aren't too bad either

[opal surge]

I also did rosa this patch

[rugged sparrow]

esp since you can also do melt shenanigans this time around

[lyric cargo]

seems like broad consensus for Rosaria then

I thought with Esco and Layla built I wouldn't have much use for another off-field cryo dps

but it's not like the other options are better

[rugged sparrow]

well, more is better

esp. after they add more stages

[gritty flame]

I'm new can someone explain this server for me and it give primo?

[opal surge]

no

[viral mulch]

this shi sucked

[lyric cargo]

does that want you to play anemo teams?

gambler's earrings as well I guess

[spiral mantle]

wait do i use c6 fischl or c0 iansan rn for varesa

[rugged sparrow]

if overload probs Fischl

actually what's the full team

[viral mulch]

kinda but u need a very specific cards combo

theres like 3 riftwolves and 10 cards u have to kill

[bright cape]

i used sayu swirl

sayu with gamblers and wolf's gravestone was enough

but starting rng is rough

[ripe mesa]

For my Xingqui, would Noblesse or Emblem work better. Hes in a team with Diluc, Bennet, and Sucrose

[bright cape]

emblem. bennett can hold noblesse

[midnight pond]

does anyone know how much of a % dmg increase durin is for chasca teams?

Assuming pretty standard
iansan mona durin vs iansan mona pyro (bennett taken by other team)

trying to eval if durin is more or less worth than saving for another chasca con based on sensi's chasca con sheets

spreadsheet of con im comparing to for context

[lyric cargo]

Durin should make it easier to run Chasca alongside other teams, at least

I've seen Chasca Durin team calcs, but I haven't seen calcs for other chasca teams from the same tcer
it's hard to compare to calcs from another tcer

[midnight pond]

damn ig that makes sense. not many people calcing the net benefit of pulling durin vs not pulling

Do u know roughly what those numbers are while we wait for gcsim

[lyric cargo]

I've seen a 107k dps calc for Chasca, Fischl, Durin, c2 Mona
but it's kinda in a vaccum without other chasca calcs from the same tcer

I'd honestly just go ahead and tag @opal surge to see if they've gotten around to calc'ing Chasca Durin teams. Though I haven't seen, so I'd assume no

[midnight pond]

makes sense. seems optimistic at least given mav/skirk are top tier with 100k dps calcs vaguely
I'll take it as a soft guidance ty

o fair, i am referncing their original sheet lol

[lyric cargo]

that seems fairly pessimistic tbh, I've seen Mavuika calced at 135k dps and Skirk 122k dps without fancy combos

Varesa is supposedly around the same level as Skirk now, with Durin

[midnight pond]

oh wtf. i guess the mavuika refernce i have is way out of date
(the 0 con row is 111k dps)

[lyric cargo]

^these aren't that recent either, and there's no dps calc. only dpr

[midnight pond]

wow ig more optimized combos or diff assumptions. full 500k increase. ty

[lyric cargo]

newer combos are much better even

^

[quaint fern]

I may have grabbed c###### sucrose without realizing that my razor is at c5

[lyric cargo]

it's ok, you'll get him off standard next wish

by c###### you mean c6?
or c7+

[bright cape]

my sucrose is c5 and razor at c1.
i am considering razor.

should i complete sucrose first?

i have started to use her with flins

[quaint fern]

c[idkwhat the flip shes on now]

at least 6

1.0 player btw

[bright cape]

i heard razor becomes really good at c6

[spiral mantle]

slr omg but rn varesa(r1 lost prayer) durin(r5 favg) iansan(c0) chevreuse(c3)

[short adder]

which is a better team?

flins, aino, sucrose, kuki? or flins, aino, durin, kuki?

[elder bluff]

durin has no place there

[raw agate]

how long is Durin's buff duration?

[feral forge]

wat r some durin teams?

[strange scarab]

pyro teams

[sage sail]

how much worse is key furina compared to aino for nefer?

[hazy lotus]

assuming lauma aino nahida furina should just be straight up better than c0 aino

the issue is u will be half health with no sustain unless u have c1 lauma or swap nahida out for sustain which is what will drop ur dps

[sage sail]

i have c2 aino but ig it's irrelevant since she barely does any damage

[sage sail]

i'm using baizhu right now for comfort

[hazy lotus]

c1 aino gives 80 em or something key prob gives something similar and furinas hydro app is more comfy than ainos circle

no loss if ur using a healer already anyways unless its taking furina away from another team that wants her

[lyric cargo]

I think his value is still somewhat limited (need c6 Bennett + c6 Chevreuse + c6Fischl/Durin)
but a better carry than c0 Raiden?

[lyric cargo]

I decided to pull c0 Jahoda and level her instead
after experiencing nk chars fold without a second nk last theater, I think there's value in having another at 70

[spiral mantle]

huhu should i stick w iansan rnnn

[rugged sparrow]

uh

Fischl is def. an option but Iansan should be fine too

[rugged sparrow]

why not

[spiral mantle]

owkieee

should i fischl first then iansan after getting c6

[rugged sparrow]

also please dont use Fav Durin, just use Lion's Roar

[spiral mantle]

can i use that one new sword

[rugged sparrow]

which

[spiral mantle]

the one u can get from the quest

in nod krai hiisi island

[rugged sparrow]

idr the name

[spiral mantle]

hol ip

moonweaver’s dawn

or do i go lion’s

[rugged sparrow]

if it's only r1 then just go Lion's Roar

[spiral mantle]

r3 rn

but r5 lion’s

[rugged sparrow]

the Moonweaver's?

[spiral mantle]

yes

[rugged sparrow]

it's prob same diff, Moonweaver should be better in more situations since Lion's Roar require pyro/electro aura on enemies

so just stick to Moonweaver

[rugged sparrow]

wait a minute no, go Lion's Roar

Durin is 70 cost, thought he's 60

so Moonweaver is garbage on him

[spiral mantle]

alr alr

who can use moonweaver…

[rugged sparrow]

no idea

atk scaling sword DPS with 40-60 cost burst, who also relies on burst dmg

[violet cipher]

How much of a damage loss is it in Mavuika/ben/citlali/Iansan if Bennet is on Nobless instead of Instructor and Citlali and Iansan both use Scroll?

[lyric cargo]

hmm
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13plWe1PZ9fhCcM_heOuxVM-iSwbF4HCIZFGYoh172Gw/htmlview

this is from the detailed weapon calc sheet linked on GenshinBuilds

[rugged sparrow]

even with practically no passive, interesting

[lyric cargo]

it's not showing r3, so no idea there

[rugged sparrow]

it's probs sidegrade to Lion's Roar

assuming linear scaling

diff is roughly 2k DPS between r1 and r5

[lyric cargo]

they're fairly close at r1 and fairly close at r5, with Moonweaver's slightly ahead in both

[lyric cargo]

I guess that puts Lion's ahead for you? unless you use Durin in teams other than overload as well

[rugged sparrow]

^

[spiral mantle]

alrrrr

tysm!!!

for fischl ill have to build noblesse and then emblem on durin?

[rugged sparrow]

Fischl goes 4p GT

[lyric cargo]

Durin can run Noblesse if nobody else does

his damage is burst dmg, which makes emblem viable, but he doesn't usually have to build much ER

[rugged sparrow]

problem with Noblesse Fischl too is that you need to burst every rot which is like, not really the way to play her

unless you're running Stygian with Fav/50+ ER subs Fischl

[spiral mantle]

i seee

tysm!

btw who can use my amos’ bow rn…

[rugged sparrow]

post the list of your chars maybe

Amos is a fine atk stat stick for most atk-scaling bow chars

[spiral mantle]

i have

aloy amber childe yoimiya tighnari yelan collei diona faruzan fischl gorou sara ororon sethos and

if only i lost to daybreak…

[lyric cargo]

if anything, there's Tenacity which Fischl could run?
but only if your GT pieces are bad I think 🤔

[rugged sparrow]

it must be atrociously bad

cuz GT literally ended Tenacity Fischl's era back then due to the amount of dmg it gives to Fischl
then again modern DPS have higher dmg share so it's prob different now

[lyric cargo]

"I haven't leveled my Fischl talents yet" angle ^^

Fischl damage still very relevant I think, especially with witch's homework 45 atk% buff (both to her and the on-fielder)

it's only 22.5% if Fischl isn't c6 though

[rugged sparrow]

hoyo HQ be like
"hey guys, Fischl has been replaced in OL and EC teams lately"
"ok give her 45% atk and 180 EM buff"

?

Eula punching air rn

[lyric cargo]

it's the prelude to making even stronger chars to push her off those teams

[spiral mantle]

is this oki

[rugged sparrow]

270 base atk

just post enka card

[lyric cargo]

watch them skip nights of favonius faction buff and go straight to buffing Zl + Liyue faction next ^^
With Zl getting a new signature like Venti did

[spiral mantle]

huhu okie

[rugged sparrow]

hoyo should be charged for child neglect

[lyric cargo]

to be fair, they did buff klee

[rugged sparrow]

Eula is their child too

but she's phys*cal so I guess I understand where they're coming from

even they gave up on making Razor phys and just turn him into electro DPS

[lyric cargo]

she's already grown up, so has to earn her own buffs herself now

[lyric cargo]

to be fair, a knights of favonious buff when Varka comes out could make sense?

idk the lore side of things, does he belong to that faction?

[rugged sparrow]

he's also part of Hexenzirkel

so who knows

[neon wave]

yes, yes he does 😭

[rugged sparrow]

he's literally the grandmaster

deadbeat grandmaster

[lyric cargo]

I thought so 😅

[viral mulch]

300k damage on air

[elder bluff]

eula plunging for room 3 SO

[dapper heron]

who to pick

[rugged sparrow]

I mean you can pick 4 at the end of the day
just avoid picking Diluc consts since his consts are generally worthless for his best playstyle rn (melt plunge)

c1 Ganyu and c2 Mona are nice

[dapper heron]

hm i guess il go c1 ganyu? can ganyu be used with arlechino for melt or anything?

[rugged sparrow]

she can be but far from the best option ig
and her c1 doesn't help with melt Arle if you want to use her there

u might as well get Mona consts and run vape Arle

like Arle/Mona/Sucrose/Bennett

[dapper heron]

well i have yelan isnt she better?

for vap

[rugged sparrow]

she probably isn't anymore post-Hexerei buffs

[dapper heron]

well i need mona for chasca teams, too.... hm then mona cons it is

[rugged sparrow]

well in any case, Mona consts is prob the best value you can go for

[dapper heron]

what about c6 rosaria?

for melt?

[rugged sparrow]

melt Arle wants Cit

it's like Arle/Bennett/Cit/+1

Rosa should technically work since she has the same tick rate as Citlali but you're playing with venn diagram at that point

Bennett circle impact + Rosaria circle impact

[dapper heron]

[lyric cargo]

afaik, melt without Citlali isn't really better than vape?

[rugged sparrow]

it probably isn't

[maiden kayak]

what main stat in sands for furina?

[rugged sparrow]

most cryo options don't have significant buff over vape options

[rugged sparrow]

ER/HP, adjust depending

[dapper heron]

oohhh

[lyric cargo]

maybe with c6 Kaeya (but that's almost like a 5-star pull with how many shop purchases it takes)

[dapper heron]

so i can only melt teams if i have citlali huh

[maiden kayak]

how much er does she needs?

[rugged sparrow]

depends on team

Furina's ER req varies between not needing ER at all to 250

[lyric cargo]

day 3 of nod-krai Kath refusing to let me claim expedition rewards and having to go to another nation instead

[dapper heron]

wait what

some kinda bug?

[lyric cargo]

I guess I gotta progress some quest they added with the update

[dapper heron]

ooh

[lyric cargo]

but also, progressing that will lock me out of ||columbina encounters|| from what I heard
so I likely won't do it

this update really is rock bottom in terms of quest QoL

[rugged sparrow]

I'm pretty sure it locks you out anyway?

you can check it no

[dapper heron]

hm we can no longer claim that name card for her encounters?

[lyric cargo]

ah, right

does it unlock at any point before becoming permanently disabled?

[rugged sparrow]

yeah 6.2 just straight up locks you out from Selenic

idts, or at least I'm not aware

[dapper heron]

[opal surge]

As soon as you walk close to katherine once its over for your dating sim

[neon wave]

if you finished act IV then you're auto locked

Even before that

[opal surge]

u cant take them during the quest either

[neon wave]

The quest starts automatically

[opal surge]

i love IT

[lyric cargo]

that's where I logged out before the update

[rugged sparrow]

BAAAT

[neon wave]

Wanderer wao

[lyric cargo]

time to give negative feedback on the survey for that before it goes away

[neon wave]

This IT was p brutal for my lineup

[rugged sparrow]

doesn't help that I tried brute-forcing pre-patch

re-did it again after patch and it was smooth sailing

[neon wave]

I did too yeah

Mizuki mono cryo was a highlight

[dapper heron]

when using a hexerai team, does both the caracters need to complete the witches home work to get the hexerai buff?

or is 1 enough?

[rugged sparrow]

pretty sure they do yeah

[dapper heron]

hm ya both need to complete witches homework

[swift pike]

ok is this build decent for arlecchino?

ik the ideal is i think 70/200 but im worried if its bad

[neon wave]

it's serviceable, but I wouldn't say it's particularly good.
You should max her weapon, ascend her, and bring her NA talent to 9/10 asap.
Your pieces can definitely be improved, especially your circlet. You lack crit rate and could look for more useful rolls in general.

The "ideal" is not 70/200 btw, what you want is to get as many useful stats as possible and try to balance them well - as far as crit ratio goes the optimal balance is a 1:2 ratio. If we're looking at ~200CV then a 85/180 CR/CD split would be better than a 70/200 split

[lyric cargo]

useful substat count:
7, 5, 4, 6, 2

plume and sands could be better
circlet is pretty bad. If you don't have a better one by the time you're done farming, I'd craft one

but yeah, what rei said:

bring her NA talent to 9/10 asap

it's also a good idea because we'll get stygian onslaught in like a week
and the first 10 days of stygian give you what's basically a better artifact domain (more drops per resin spent)

so ideally I'd crown the NA talent before that, then focus on artifacts during the first 10 days of stygian (when we get to farm artifacts there)

[viral mulch]

6, 7

[violet kiln]

Anyone in the Asia server free to finish Meetings in Outrealms: Series 5 and 6?

[viral mulch]

do u still need

[strange scarab]

yea

[violet kiln]

817013842
Yes, please! Thank you!

[viral mulch]

alr

player not found

[violet kiln]

Eh? I'm logged in.

[viral mulch]

ok now it pops up

[violet kiln]

TYSM for the help!

[viral mulch]

np

[shy hare]

who here has c6 charac for Imaginarium theater can i borrow please?

[glacial wind]

can someone tell me whether r2 moonweavers dawn or r5 lions roar is better for durin

[snow flame]

Hi does anyone have hoyo's support email or email for inquiry or something? Pls and Thank you💜

[crude dirge]

dont forget that lions roar loses majority of its value on infused enemies or on melt/vape teams. i think moonweaver's dawn dawn was planned to be good on him

moonweavers dawn is basically lions roar but passive isnt strict at all

[glacial wind]

ok thank you i will build moonweaver's for more flexibility!

[crude dirge]

i think finale of the deep is also a decent option and will be useful for more than a couple characters

[lyric cargo]

hmm, I don't see a timer on this selector
if it's not time limited, I might just sit on it

Razor is c4, Sucrose is c3. Neither gains anything from +1 constellation
could c6 one naturally then give it to the other

[mental ivy]

Anyone know how I unlock this waypoint

[glacial wind]

im actually a returning player so i dont know how i can obtain that sword haha. thanks for suggestion and appreciate the help

[crude dirge]

fontaine craftable

just purchase blueprint from local blacksmith

[brisk mural]

How do yall build ineffa

[clear ginkgo]

what are some routes for mora and artifacts?

[lyric cargo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pA5b-3ukKw
https://qiqis-notebook.com/route/68ef6a14316ee797d311a5f3

(same route, second link is an overview for the route in the video)

[lyric cargo]

this is a good first place to check: https://tinyurl.com/GenshinBuilds

[sand igloo]

What does the witch's homework do?

[lyric cargo]

it's a series of quests for several chars from Mondstadt
doing the quest will expand the char's kit and help them keep up a bit with today's power level

is there any char in particular you'd like to know about?

[sand igloo]

Hmm interesting, there is one, id like to know about, Razor

[lyric cargo]

hmm, I looked it up on the fandom wiki but maybe a video is better. I'll go find one

[sand igloo]

Aight

[lyric cargo]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LJdo1cajC-E
razor is at 5:00

[sand igloo]

Thanks for the help

[rapid ledge]

My characters are built so bad i can barely do leylines

Or domains

[nova swift]

Legos

[tawny vigil]

im watching a kyostinv chest guide, how does he always have the kuuhenki power with him, mine goes away after like 5 second after i leave the bush

[frail rock]

okay
i havent logged in since 5.0 and i am a little overwhelmed by the amount of updates that have happened... is there anyone who can tell me the important shit ive missed

[neon harness]

if ure talking about the lore, go to #📚lore-dungeon

[half anchor]

what is the best mualani-durin team?

[rugged sparrow]

should be the same as her previous best team (Cit Xilo) I'm guessing, you just replace Mav with Durin

if you want to push hexerei buff you just try to fit Sucrose

smth like Mua/Durin/Sucrose/Xilo or Cit

[half anchor]

wait why citlali?

[rugged sparrow]

Citlali shreds hydro res and procs Cinder?

[lyric cargo]

it's Mona, Mona's the real upgrade for Mualani

then you need either Durin or Sucrose to enable her witch buffs

[half anchor]

does her E not steal reactions

[rugged sparrow]

the same concept as why Xilo is there

[lyric cargo]

do you have Mona cons?

[rugged sparrow]

pyro dominant aura so no

[half anchor]

c2

[half anchor]

what if cryo applies after mualani vapes

[lyric cargo]

Mua, Durin, Mona, [xilo / sucrose]

Mua, [pyro], Mona, Sucrose

I guess team 1 could use Citlali, I haven't seen calcs

[half anchor]

would sucrose need to be c6 cus i have her c0

[rugged sparrow]

https://youtu.be/KpQrxuKlx-Y?t=121 doesnt look like it has problem as long as you put Durin last to override the cryo

[lyric cargo]

nah, Sucrose cons aren't important

[half anchor]

i also saw smth that said albedo is good for mualani, is this true?

[rugged sparrow]

sure

[half anchor]

i saw his kit increases NA dmg by like 42% in total

[rugged sparrow]

uh, 12% only

30% is for Hexerei members

[half anchor]

o didnt see that bit

[rugged sparrow]

but regardless he's a fine slot

off-field DPS, possibility for geo reso, 125 EM buff if you can burst every rot

though you'll likely just get his c2 if you want the 125 EM buff

[full sonnet]

durin manakin team > everything else 🔥

[lyric cargo]

Manakin

[safe storm]

I have c2r1 durin, c2r1 furina, c1 mona. Is that a better team for arlecchino than the overload team? or close?

[lyric cargo]

Furina would be better on another team. Arlecchino disables healing, and Furin'a burst dmg% buff scales off hp change

I guess with c2 you ,might be able to max it out even with Arle not behind able to heal (just from healing on off-field teammates). But I'm not sure what healer would slot in.
Jean? It still seems like another team could make better use of Furina

got a screenshot of your char pool? what other teams would you like to run?

[safe storm]

i’m a returning player so besides that i just have nefer and venti with sigs

but i was wondering if that’s a good team, i plan on getting more characters too

[lyric cargo]

ah.
my guess is that Venti will end up a support on Varka's team once that one comes out

for now, he'd run something like
Venti, Durin, Faruzan, Bennett
but that has overlap with Arlecchino, who wants either Bennett (for most of her teams) or Durin (for a chevreuse team, as a Bennett-less alternative )

Nefer's team for now is:
Nefer, Lauma, Aino, [flex]

[safe storm]

yeah i’m building his team i just got c6 faruzan

[lyric cargo]

I expect Aino to be replaced by Columbina
Aino's kit just isn't that strong, so seems like a 4-star placeholder

still good to lvl70 for theater entry imo

even if she's not a permanent best-in-slot on Nefer's team

[safe storm]

how much dmg would i lose using furina with arlechinno instead of chev and fischl?

i don’t mind overlapping arle team with venti bc i’m gonna build a nefer team

i dont have chev and only have c0 fischl so i have no option rn

[lyric cargo]

(we have Stygian Onslaught now, which requires 3 well-built teams without overlap)

[safe storm]

😭ill save that for later ig

i’m probably gonna try to get one of the new dps

[lyric cargo]

tbh, I think with 2 teams at relatively high vertical investment you're already mostly there

just need a third, and to actually build the chars of course

[safe storm]

waiting for lauma rerun

and columb

but do you think i should run c2 furina with my arle or get fischl and chev

[lyric cargo]

char pool screenshot would still help
you can get it from hoyo's website: https://act.hoyolab.com/app/community-game-records-sea/index.html

any older 5-stars, like Yelan? Not sure when you played previously

[lyric cargo]

the first question when it comes to Arle would be whether you want another Bennett team, or to lock Bennett to Arle

another Bennett team (for example, Mavuika Bennett Citlali) would prety much settle the Arle team to be Durin Fischl Chevreuse

[safe storm]

i didn’t play much b4

[lyric cargo]

yeah, nw

[safe storm]

if i want the best possible arle team would that be with durin fischl and chev? or would my c2 furina be better

[lyric cargo]

if Bennett is available for Arle, she basically has these three options:

• Citlali melt team (basically Mavuika's team, but with Arle instead of Mav)
• Chevreuse overload team
• vape team

[lyric cargo]

melt is a little bit ahead, but I'd say they're pretty even

I've seen 103k dps for melt and 99k for chevreuse overload

[safe storm]

what’s the melt team?

oh citlali

[lyric cargo]

but that's with c0 teammates, I can't say how your vertical investment will change that

[lyric cargo]

it's Xilonen Bennett Citlali

possibly Sucrose over Xilonen

[safe storm]

should i go for xilonen then?

would durin furina and xilonen be good

[lyric cargo]

it's a bit hard to recommend, she's likely the least important and most replaceable member

[safe storm]

should i just forget arle team for now and build venti team

[lyric cargo]

@opal surge do you think Arle + c2 Furina + Xilo + Bennett could work?

my first inclination would be to say that Arle and Furina have complete anti-synergy and she's better on another team
but if she's otherwise benched and gets some Fanfare from c2 + healing on teammates? I'm not sure.

[safe storm]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ArlecchinoMains/comments/1ge6wrf/is_there_any_situation_where_furina_and/
idk i found this random reddit thread and someone said they r good

[lyric cargo]

it's possible that on-field c2 Durin is just better than Arle, given that he works better with Furina

[safe storm]

i don’t wanna abandon my arle tho after getting her to lvl 90 😭

[lyric cargo]

yeah, makes sense

[safe storm]

oh wait xilonen won’t give hexerei

[lyric cargo]

yeah

[lyric cargo]

which team did you have in mind before noticing this?

[safe storm]

mona but ig it wont work bc she doesn’t heal

would bennet work?

nvm

😅

wait durins hexerei buff is just more pyro res shred right? and xilonen does that?

[crude dirge]

xilonen can give 40% damage bonus and more stuff with sig/consts

[safe storm]

so if i get her c2 it will be a good team? 😈

[crude dirge]

what team

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-thinking-monkey-thinking-think-money-gif-9734025314392564509

[safe storm]

arle c2 durin c2 furina

[crude dirge]

why furina with arle

u lose an entire team slot of building fanfares

cuz arle cant heal

[lyric cargo]

wait for Sensi imo, on the Furina thing

she's better elsewhere, but if the alternative is benching her and she's c2 then idk

[crude dirge]

u could still build fanfares but slower ig

[crude dirge]

wont durin steal the vapes?

[lyric cargo]

Furina can't use her r1 in most teams, btw. She usually runs fav sword.
Her ER requirement without that is just too high

[crude dirge]

oh its c2 furina

i thought c2 arle and durin

[lyric cargo]

Arle is c0 ^

[crude dirge]

havent scrolled higher than mona question

[safe storm]

what if i put furina in venti team instead of faruzan

is that mroe dps

[lyric cargo]

that should work, yeah

[safe storm]

so c2 furina>c6 faruzan?

[crude dirge]

why not both

[safe storm]

venti, durin, faruzan, bennett team

[crude dirge]

everyone was telling me to use hp sands, i used them and they rolled and worked terribly. i never got my burst back. i took my good er sands and its good ever since

[crude dirge]

just give arle her bennett back

[safe storm]

but furina needs heal right?

[rugged sparrow]

just stop running Furina with Arle, it's impractical for sustained rotations

[crude dirge]

arle bennett xingqiu lanyan
venti durin faruzan ifa (ttds + scroll👅) could work

[safe storm]

[crude dirge]

i feel like faruzan's res shred is better than furina damage%

or does faruzan even give res shred

[rugged sparrow]

yes, anemo res shred

[safe storm]

even c2?

[crude dirge]

thats just damage%

[safe storm]

o

[rugged sparrow]

also anemo dmg%

[safe storm]

where does my furina go 😭🙏

[crude dirge]

she needs healer though

[rugged sparrow]

what

[crude dirge]

to dps qiqi obviously

[rugged sparrow]

Im talking about Faru

[crude dirge]

were u talking about furina or faruzan

oh

[rugged sparrow]

she provides both anemo dmg% and res shred

also anemo cdmg at c6

[crude dirge]

and energy

[safe storm]

should i go for xilonen 🫩

[rugged sparrow]

[safe storm]

or varessa

or neither

[rugged sparrow]

up to you, both are good value pulls

[crude dirge]

go for xilo, buffer for ur arle at least

c6 jahoda and c2 durin makes me cry

im at 67 pity and 50/50

[safe storm]

is that bad?

[crude dirge]

i want durinn

[safe storm]

is jaoda good

[rugged sparrow]

shes good for NK units

[safe storm]

nefer?

[crude dirge]

for ones who dont have any other nk units good

[lyric cargo]

Varesa Iansan Chevreuse Durin is pretty good

only thing is, it'll mean running Arle on either melt or vape. Overload will be taken up by Varesa
not an issue unless you want someone like Mavuika, who wants Bennett

[crude dirge]

ascendant gleam for me

[rugged sparrow]

can be slotted into Nefer sure

[crude dirge]

they dont have chevy i think or i didnt see

[rugged sparrow]

EM and CV buff

[lyric cargo]

it's a future potential thing. Maybe Chevreuse is on Varesa's banner, or they could get her later

[rugged sparrow]

wdym "supposed"

[safe storm]

oop

[stiff latch]

How do I join another persons teapot?

[valid anchor]

best suit: needs to be added as friend, then you can access, as long they had set permissions to enter.

[safe storm]

will venti dps clear spiral abyss

[valid anchor]

some players has restricted access to their teapots.

[lyric cargo]

you click on their profile icon, it's the third button from the top in the friend list

(not sure if it's possible without adding them as a friend first)

[lyric cargo]

easily, I think

even stygian might be possible given how highly vertically invested your 5-star supports are

[safe storm]

yaya

thanks for the advice evb 🙏

[opal surge]

Arle and furina don't have complete anti synergy, in fact with vertical furina used to be bis in arle teams

The main tradeoff is that arle furina is quite frankly not very comfortable to play

And I would personally avoid doing so unless you are a speedrunner

[rugged sparrow]

pretty much this

good for speedrun but instabricked if you're casual/avg players

[opal surge]

Yeah

[lyric cargo]

@safe storm ^

[lyric cargo]

@opal surge would you consider running Lan Yan to make up for the QoL problem?

(char pool in reply)

[safe storm]

[opal surge]

Nah I would just use her elsewhere

I'm not sure what the full context is but I'm sure you could make something with C2 durin C2 furina that's much more comfortable and probably also better

[rugged sparrow]

Nefer without Lauma

[opal surge]

Unless the context was specifically that you want to play arle and furina?

[rugged sparrow]

we're going back to Mondstadt DPS era pre-buff

actually no Eula still exists

[safe storm]

i don’t wanna play it if it’s bad but i was wondering if it could work

[rugged sparrow]

it works as been mentioned, just gotta be aware that it's not good if you're planning to do sustained/long rotations over multiple chambers

[serene sandal]

lowk think my account is bricked i have like way too many chars at lvl 40-60

[rugged sparrow]

chars being underlevelled isn't indicative to being bricked, just level them up lol

[bright cape]

which is better to get c6 sucrose or c2 razor?

[serene sandal]

but theyre all at a point where they take too many mats to ascend so theyre js stuck there

also does anyone have a trishiarite farming route

[rugged sparrow]

so what, resources is unlimited, just time-gated

having garbage roster is what makes acc bricked

[thorn bay]

C6 sucrose becomes like literal mini kazuha right??

Buff both em and dmg%

[crude dirge]

what are best defensive + supportive option for lyney furina benny and i dont have zhongli

i tried using kazuha but i get thrown around😔

[thorn bay]

Ig kazuha only buffs em at c2

[bright cape]

i think it's damage mostly at c6

[crude dirge]

ttds lanyan mayhaps

[crude dirge]

what they do

[thorn bay]

Buff dmg%

I don’t know how much

[crude dirge]

razor or sucrose

[thorn bay]

10-20% I suppose

[crude dirge]

then i look up ig

its pretty bad

but razor's even worse

sucrose gives 20% dmg bonus to element her burst infuses with (8s duration with 20s cd and 80 cost btw) and razor gives 10% to enemies below 30% hp

[dapper heron]

are there like any route map for natlan explorations?

[nocturne comet]

After finally getting 180 speed on E0S0 Cyrene

I think she actually feels okay
I don’t think the recollection takes too long to fill up

Once you use it the first time
You get it pretty often
I think I just need to make up for missing crit stats now

[crude dirge]

just look up natlan all chests

[stoic basin]

is there any whale I can add to get help for theater :>?

[smoky pumice]

Yall know a guranteed spot for this? (Im tired of lookin man and no im not looking for the local legend)

[dapper heron]

ya i know about that thing, i was looking for route maps 😅 . probably not a thing at all

[lyric cargo]

is the amount of baseAtk a weapon gives actuall an integer?

I'm following a fandom wiki page on how to calculate base stats, and the result is just a little off

https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Character/Level_Scaling
following the instructions from here, I get:

hp:        12552.058567,
atk:       358.76757,
def:       791.6110011000001,

so baseHP and baseDEF make sense if I round to the next integer

but atk would be off by 1 if I do that

so I wonder if A Thousand Blazing Suns actually gives a noninteger amount of baseATK that gets rounded to 741

if so, I can't find the unrounded weapon stats anywhere. But Enka must have it, since they correctly display 1099

oh, genshin optimizer has it. it gives 740.58

[serene sandal]

with these 5*s whats the best team i can make after neuvi furina ineffa baizhu

[rugged sparrow]

where are your 4-stars

5-star isn't everything

[serene sandal]

theyre below lol lemme show

[rugged sparrow]

Baizhu is better off being put with haitham or elsewhere since he doesn't benefit Neuvrina team a lot

[serene sandal]

so replace w kazu

[near prism]

navia zl bennett fischl
alhaitham kuki baizhu yelan
replace baizhu w kaz in the neuv team

[rugged sparrow]

you can just run Kazu yeah or someone else

[serene sandal]

ooh navia team would be cool, tho i have only zl built from thoise 4

[rugged sparrow]

well time to build them

[near prism]

navia can also use kachina instead of zl

[rugged sparrow]

if Faru is c6 you can probs do DPS Venti shenanigans

[near prism]

i believe there's a good chance she's better than zl there

[rugged sparrow]

Venti/Fischl/Faru/+1

[near prism]

btw @rugged sparrow mona omen can now cover 3 neuv CAs

[rugged sparrow]

like 3 ticks or

[near prism]

3 full CAs

[rugged sparrow]

is this like accursed 30s rot

[near prism]

it could only cover 1 and a bit of a 2nd CA before hexerei

[rugged sparrow]

[near prism]

what? no, its hexerei u fool

[rugged sparrow]

is Neuv CA that short

[serene sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-sonic-adventure-2-back-back-in-the-building-eggman-gif-17578619098878872054

[near prism]

3s ish yeh

[rugged sparrow]

Omen doesn't last that long no

[near prism]

even if you take 2s to fully extend it, you're left with 11s of omen uptime

[rugged sparrow]

esp if u need to use Neuv's burst to get enough balls

[near prism]

3s 1 CA
6s 2 CA
8s Q
11s 3 CA

[rugged sparrow]

hmmge

interesting

[near prism]

realistically you might miss some ticks

but she's a genuinely viable option now

[rugged sparrow]

yeah sure

I just wasn't expecting (theoretical) 3 full CAs

[near prism]

yeh

rot prob changes a bit too, from split to tighter rot

prob still 24s ish though, so you can do 2 mona Es

big energyge stonks

[rugged sparrow]

Neuv is still alien to me due to his extended rot

[serene sandal]

how long are chars supposed to take to build to a good enough standard? js curious if im js inefficient

[rugged sparrow]

that kinda depends on your arti luck

this guy here takes a whole week just to get 240cv going

my ass takes 2 years, give or take

in any case, getting a char to relevant level/talents prob took roughly ~3 weeks assuming you start from scratch
ofc if you have resources from explo/events it can be cut even shorter
and then the artifact limbo which range from weeks to months
years used to be a thing but thank god they introduced strongbox/elixir/dust of enlightenment

even assuming godawful luck you can still get a full set through crafting with elixir alone

[near prism]

thats not true

[rugged sparrow]

do u want me to pull up the proof

[near prism]

ive never gotten a 240 cv set that quickly without having atleast 3 pieces beforehand

[rugged sparrow]

ur 240cv GT set in Fischl

[near prism]

it was NOT a week, it was 17 days for the fischl incident

[rugged sparrow]

within a week

ill sew ur mouth shut

[near prism]

that didnt really help my case did it

[rugged sparrow]

"Erm ackhully it's 2 weeks and 3 days instead of a week 🤓 "

my Itto rotting with 190cv Husk for nearly 2 years:

"compadre, I crave good artifacts"

[near prism]

ok to be FAIR

[quaint fern]

itto in 2025

[rugged sparrow]

hey he's still fine but this abyss has the worst match up

[quaint fern]

what even was this abyss

[rugged sparrow]

1st half basically requiring bloom
2nd half has primo vishap

[quaint fern]

also I should probably try vape durin huh

idt he's doing too much in OL

[rugged sparrow]

crab herra 1st half
giga pyro shill 2nd half (Coppelius, fat fuck, and primo vishap)

[quaint fern]

but that's probably bc my team is ass

[rugged sparrow]

Itto just can't against any of current halves

[quaint fern]

oh right wasn't it cryo vishap?

[rugged sparrow]

it is ye

[near prism]

primo vishap is doable w geo

and as for the pyro shill, yknow, there's an easy solution

[rugged sparrow]

Itto monogeo is probably dipping below avg clear time no

[near prism]

his name is durin 🔥 ✍️

[rugged sparrow]

so true

[near prism]

the og version yeah probably

[rugged sparrow]

need to adjuts with Durin and co.

[near prism]

its not super high sgt dps to begin with, and its against geo resistant enemy

[near prism]

itto durin albedo chiori would be very sweet

[rugged sparrow]

yeh

[stiff latch]

I have 5 star weapons that are just sitting unequiped. I don't know who they could be used on that don't have better options

[slow seal]

is sac bow or stringless generally better for fischl? (i use her in both chev overload and aggravate)

[viral mulch]

epic battle durin vs durian vs during

[near prism]

hi net 👋

[viral mulch]

hi

[haughty lotus]

Stringless

[strange scarab]

Nutz

[mental ivy]

I’ve tried logging into Genshin on my iPhone but this thing won’t let me type in my own password I created

[thorn bay]

Press done

[sharp shore]

i think i forgot to claim kath reward yesterday...

[echo inlet]

should i use skyward blade or lion's roar on durin? im using eosf

[thorn bay]

lions roar probably
dont you have anything else??

[echo inlet]

nope

[thorn bay]

ok

[haughty lotus]

Hello, guoballs, my good chum. How are you doing

[frank spindle]

How much better is an anemo goblet over an atk goblet for Venti

[empty roost]

this works fine right?

[scenic slate]

Very much preferred yeah

[neon wave]

yeah

[violet cipher]

how badly should I care about Mona's artifacts in Mualani/mavuika/Mona/Sucrose?

[sharp shore]

does it trigger favonius's passive
if i have 80 crit rate
but crit damage below 100?

[neon wave]

yes, it's just as long as you crit
It doesn't matter how much damage you do

Even if you have no CD it still counts as a crit

(not that you can have lower than 50%)

[lyric cargo]

skyward should probably be on Bennett? what's he using?

[vapid frigate]

is Lanyan, Xingqiu, Bennet, Furina gud? or should I switch xingqiu with xiangling

[rugged sparrow]

it's a functional team
Furina won't be able to enable all of Xiangling vapes, I don't think, if anything you replace Furina with XL

[delicate ermine]

do i pull xilonen for premium neuvi team or pull varessa

or do i save up for any other character

[rugged sparrow]

if you don't have a good electro DPS yet, pulling for Varesa is definitely the wiser investment imo

[delicate ermine]

i have raiden

and kuki

or should i save up for neuvi or skirk

[rugged sparrow]

neither are particularly good DPS

wait so you don't even have Neuv yet

[delicate ermine]

nope

woah

ig ill wish for neuvi to play it safe

but i heard hydro dps's are gna fall apart soon

[rugged sparrow]

well we still don't know when he's re-running so

[buoyant cove]

Neuv in shambles

[rugged sparrow]

and why is that

and where'd you hear it from

[buoyant cove]

Raiden is sub DPS until C2 and Kuki is support

[delicate ermine]

bc a lotta the things have hydro resistance or are hydro by itself and now hydro is mainlly used for buffs

[buoyant cove]

it will be a cold day in hell before they powercreep Neuv
especially with them trying to promote Freeze teams

[rugged sparrow]

"A lot of things have hydro resistance/are hydro by itself"
and how often do they appear in relevant content

you can say the same towards many other elements

[delicate ermine]

or they are buffing newer elements

idk i js heard it

i dont think its true\

[rugged sparrow]

and where'd you hear them

[delicate ermine]

mualani

[delicate ermine]

in ts server

[rugged sparrow]

[delicate ermine]

i asked is neuvi still top 3 dps

and if hes still meta

[rugged sparrow]

asking which DPS is "top DPS" is kinda silly since content and meta is heavily contextualized

[delicate ermine]

ok

rindo is always online

[near prism]

with how abyss and stygian are structured, they promote having a diverse roster rather than 3 good dpses, even if you CAN brute force it most of the time

throw in theater too and there's no reason to only have 3 built teams

[rugged sparrow]

^

[delicate ermine]

sooooo f2p is just cooked?

[near prism]

uh, no?

[rugged sparrow]

how so

you just take longer to grind / get more chars, but it's not a race or anything

[near prism]

in fact id argue 'f2p' would be more cooked if only 3 dpses were good

as it stands you can pick a character you like and make them work by building around them

[rugged sparrow]

just don't pick Eula 🥹

[near prism]

you know thats not true

[delicate ermine]

but i have to get a lot more characters to clear newer content

[rugged sparrow]

or Yoimiya...

[near prism]

even eula works fine if you have a proper team

[near prism]

that is not what i said

[delicate ermine]

eula used to be meta

[rugged sparrow]

nuh uh

[delicate ermine]

i remember it

[near prism]

i said that stygian and abyss promote having a diverse roster

meaning, you can shift in different teams depending on the context

you can also brute force it if you wanted to but its just harder

[delicate ermine]

ykw that imma spend 2 wishes on venti

[near prism]

dont make me take a dig at itto

you know i dont want to do it

[delicate ermine]

WOOOHOHOHOH

[rugged sparrow]

Itto >>> Eula tbh

[delicate ermine]

make that 3

[near prism]

lend me some dps chiori

[rugged sparrow]

the kid named Escoffier:

Furina, lurking:

[near prism]

eula still has plurality damage share

in fact both in their best teams im pretty sure eula has higher damage share than itto

[rugged sparrow]

nuh uh

[delicate ermine]

whhyyyyy

why 3 on atk

[near prism]

[rugged sparrow]

Eula gets so much DLC that completely erase her identity as phys DPS

[delicate ermine]

ts good for kazuha in neuvi teams
??

[rugged sparrow]

580 EM

[delicate ermine]

yes?

is it bad??

bruhh how do i get more than 580

[rugged sparrow]

idk what are you even using

triple EM artifact is already like 560 EM

so either

1. you're not using triple EM artifact
2. you only have 1 singular EM roll on your flower/feather

not to mention your weapon is also a mystery
in short, just post enka

[delicate ermine]

ok

i js started grinding his artifacts btw

[rugged sparrow]

so the former

do you not have Fav

[delicate ermine]

im using iron sting

[rugged sparrow]

yes, I'm asking whether you have Fav or not

[delicate ermine]

yes

[rugged sparrow]

use it then

[delicate ermine]

but furina is using

[rugged sparrow]

so you don't have spare

[delicate ermine]

no

[rugged sparrow]

unluck

[delicate ermine]

im having fun w ts team for sum reaason

[crude dirge]

who is the onfielder and healer here

[delicate ermine]

no onfield

healer is bennet ig

kazuha swirling is actually kinda good

i liked the old genshin where u could js slap any character onto a team and still have fun

[crude dirge]

u still can though

mavuika citlali xilonen + slap any character

[delicate ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/mihoyo-hoyoverse-plane-crash-explode-gif-27573348

[near prism]

stupidest shit since xyz char+national core or hb core+xyz char

the genshin community never learns, we're stuck in a samsara of bad team building

[rugged sparrow]

4th slot emotional support angle

[tepid cedar]

hi what's a good team for razor

[rugged sparrow]

overload or quickbloom

[near prism]

fischl chev benny/durin

[tepid cedar]

Oh ok thx

[lyric cargo]

oh, Bennett is replaceable?
I heard the pyro infusion was necessary, making all of Razor's damage benefit from chevreuse, and without that it's a huge damage loss

I guess the normal attacks are less important than the burst damage then?

[near prism]

That'd mostly be pre hexerei, with hexerei you can take a bit of a loss on the NAs, and durin does. A lot of damage of his own

[lyric cargo]

if Fischl Chev Durin is possible without a large dps loss, my estimate on Razor goes up a lot

no circle impact, no taking away Bennett from other teams

[near prism]

Tbf taking away durin is probably just as big of a downside

But yes durin over Benny works, although worse, it's more comfy

[zealous ledge]

Hii

[lyric cargo]

yeah, I guess the only other consideration is taking away Fischl
Razor Bennett Durin Chevreuse

[zealous ledge]

Is there a way to see the boss materials you need from here, when a character's talents are all still at level 1?

I want to farm for her weekly boss

[lyric cargo]

but Fischl gets tons of a4 procs with Razor triggering overload I assume
(at least with Bennett infusion? if Bennett is gone then maybe you don't get that either)

[lyric cargo]

unfortunately no. You can see them at the alchemy table
(they should honestly integrate this into the char menu)

[lyric cargo]

also, that mora count
is that all from battle pass?

[zealous ledge]

Okie tysm!!

[zealous ledge]

Oh no I just never really spend it on anything. I never had battle pass

[lyric cargo]

huh

not crowning talents, not leveling chars to 90?

[zealous ledge]

I am!! I mean

Look at herrrr

[lyric cargo]

my mora kinda went into freefall with Natlan, from 35m all the way down to 15m
then I started doing daily co-op elite runs and I'm back to 30m now..

I spend it quite freely since I have extra again

[zealous ledge]

I mean I would spend it on something but I seriously don't know what to spend it on

I can star maxing useless 4-star characters (which I am doing now just bc idk what else to spend stuff on)

[zealous ledge]

Either way you meant this right?

And also how doing you do the calulate thing? I have never seen that before

At the alchemy table

[thorn bay]

training guide on

[zealous ledge]

Okee

[lyric cargo]

not necessary

hmm, weird

maybe I'm wrong and it is needed

[thorn bay]

[lyric cargo]

I'm not ingame right now, so I can't check

there should be an option to select which talent to level

[lyric cargo]

here's which talents I have leveled / crowned

I might do Venti's talents if he's shilled in stygian
though it might be a waste if it's just for one iteration

will help in theater as well I suppose

[zealous ledge]

Sometimes I think I also think waste

But I once realized that the biggest "waste" is for something to sit in my inventory unused

Ever since then I try to burn it all

But then it requires some annoying boss material I need to grind and I kind of forget abt it >.<

[near prism]

id say out of the unbuilt chars mona is probably the best value

[lyric cargo]

yeah, that's probably the case now
I wonder how far her talents are worth leveling. the burst dmg% buff is very frontloaded in talent levels

and stops scaling at tl10

so with constellations, 7 is probably as high as you'd want to go

[near prism]

i mean considering taking it to 7 is effectively t10, yes

her other talents arent really noteworthy, though worth mentioning that with c2/c4 mona her personal damage even as a quickswap isnt half bad

its expensive to build her that way though, and not really worthwhile

[lyric cargo]

without cons, tl7 is 54 dmg%
each tl gives 2%, so 8 is 56; 9 is 58; 10 is 60

[near prism]

i am aware

what i meant is that with c3 t7 is t10

[lyric cargo]

yeah

[near prism]

personally i took her Q to t12 cuz i like having chars on dps builds

id level up her NA a bit too but i just got done building durin and i have like, 40k mora right now

and i still have to level up durin talents from 1/8/9 to 1/10/10

[lyric cargo]

so it's not worth leveling past 7 in the long term
looking at the short term, I'd lose 6 dmg% (10% of the maximum buff) until I get the con

[near prism]

frankly at 30 mil mora, i dont think its that big of a deal to just level it up

[near prism]

i wasnt joking btw

[lyric cargo]

honestly it's only about resin usage for me

the mora isn't a factor right now

I farmed ballad during the overflow event, sitting on the talent books for now
it either goes to Venti or Durin if I get him this banner

I might just skip and wait for a rerun, though

[near prism]

id say the biggest possible winners on your account if you got durin would be like
navia, potentially nefer, raiden, any anemo dps

potentially tighnari

nefer would be clunky without a really good hydro app, so you'd kick out aino for like, yelan or smth

but even then it might be too much pyro for nefer

[lyric cargo]

wait, Nefer?

[near prism]

durin shreds dendro, if you can get the dendro res shred without scuffing your verdant dew generation, he'd be good for nefer

he also has some personal damage

[lyric cargo]

oh. interesting

the Nefer team is likely Lauma, [hydro], c2 Nahida

Durin's shred can't do as much as the c2, right?

[near prism]

combined with nahida's EM buff, most likely not

i did miss the c2 nahida though, thats my bad

[lyric cargo]

nw

it's part of the reason I went for Nefer, to still make use of her

I kinda expect she'll still be replaced in the future, though

[lyric cargo]

for Tighnari, I was thinking about Fischl + Durin + second electro

in theory, with eneough electro app you'd get quicken + overload

but I don't actually think it's possible to get that much electro from off-field

for electro on-fielders, that kind of thing might be possible

[near prism]

fischl durin+nahida might be enough

[near prism]

its more than possible haha, all quickburn teams w electro on fielders got a HUGE boost in damage

cyno emilie durin fischl seems to be like a high 80k dps team, unless i calc'd something horribly wrong

[lyric cargo]

makes sense

I heard you need 3 electro applications for every pyro application, to avoid burning taking over

with an electro on-fielder and Fischl a4, it should be easy

for dendro on-fielders, I'm not sure if you can reach that

something like Kuki burst would probably clear pyro aura and establish quicken. after it ends, I'm not sure what happens

[strange scarab]

Fell asleep cro

Tomorrow my new laptop should arrive

[valid anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/lucky-star-yawn-tired-sleepy-sleep-gif-8472935

[valid anchor]

which specs?

[true harbor]

which one for dps venti ?

how good is this for venti ?

[lyric cargo]

looks like 1st vs 2nd is 1 roll of cr vs 2 rolls of er?

nvm, there's one more roll of atk% as well

so cr + atk% vs er + er

first if you don't need the er, second if you do

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUynaQOlJ_E

I can't really recommend these two sets if you don't already have them, they're so niche

[serene sandal]

ugh why do all the good chars require mats that take forever to get 😭

wanna build navia but she wants them underwater drops

[rugged sparrow]

isn't there like

100+ of them per respawn

[maiden kayak]

is level 90 weapon worth it?

[rugged sparrow]

it's a guaranteed dmg boost so yes

mainly for DPSes

some weapons are generally fine without 90/90 (like TTDS), but ofc there's some outliers that can utilize lv90 TTDS

[crude dirge]

atk scaler supports

[serene sandal]

i just started act 2 of the AQ how long would it take to do all the AQ up to current

[worthy iris]

I need to buy from other's teapot

can someone invite me?

[muted kettle]

Hah maybe but i actually think im pretty lucky my kazuha pulls were insane , c4 kazuha in like around 200 wishes maybe even less and back then he was my favourite charecter

[ripe surge]

just wanna ask if the 2 lunar challenge in IT is supposed to be hard and u need to prepare ur best teams or its relatively easy to clear?

[lyric cargo]

I haven't done this theater yet, but it's hard

you mean the 2 additional acts added by the highest difficulty, right? lunar mode? 28 chars to enter?

[bright cape]

it's as difficult as the last levels of IT.
unless u have perfect synergy with team and blessings, it might be rough

u can always check the wiki and prepare accordingly.

[lyric cargo]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GAvRjJPnuvw

[bright cape]

https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Imaginarium_Theater/Seasons/2025-12-01#Act_7

this helps a lot

[ripe surge]

for one of the lunar stages i used arle c0r0, citlali, benny, jahoda and i cleared it fast. so it got me wondering if its not that hard. the hardest one for me was the flying drake honestly.

soo i was able to clear everything, but i did the 2 lunar challenges last, and i can either risk using arle again on 2nd lunar challenge using the same arle team, OR beat stage 10 with support mavuika. and i chose the latter. and i think that was a mistake on my part, unless the 2nd lunar challenge is actually much more difficult

[lyric cargo]

the first one usually is a mob grinder in which you need to defeat a high number of enemies, but every enemy you defeat reduces the timer
so it's deeptively less time than it appears to be

it's probably the most challenging AoE combat content in the game

the second one didn't give me as much trouble irrc, it's just another boss

note that you can't do the arcanum challenges after you do act 10. I'm told act 10 ends the performance

[bright cape]

i mean that's a pretty good team already

for me, the consecrated beasts felt tough.

i had to use skirk + escoffier + mona

[ripe surge]

i redid imaginarium and i finally drew arcana. this was a hard one. i skipped durin but i had most of the premium teams and used c6 mavuika support to clear

[dapper heron]

whats use of this?

[cloud dock]

I need help building a team for clorinde 😭

My past team was clorinde,furina,fischl and nahida

Now my team is Bennett, sucrose,fischl and clorinde

[rugged sparrow]

uh

your old team was good as is

[rugged sparrow]

effectively does nothing, but summons the clan's logo apparently

[real shadow]

is durins sig a weapon thats pretty good for skirk

[quaint fern]

I mean it's just a crit stat stick

You won't really use the passive in most cases unless you're playing burst bot Skirk in a neuvi team or smth

[real shadow]

oh

[quaint fern]

The crit rate can make it sort of hard to build around, especially if you're using MH

[lyric cargo]

Additionally, when the party possesses Hexerei: Secret Rite effects, the effects of Blade of the Daylight Hours are increased by an additional 75%. This effect can be triggered even if the equipping character is off-field.

not getting this part, either: Her team uses Skirk Escoffier Furina, and Hexerei requires 2 hexenzirkel chars for which there is no space
(Mona is also the only one available in the team's elements, but regardless)

[real shadow]

true

[quaint fern]

Well that only buffs the atk%

I'm not expecting you to be able to take advantage of it anyways

[midnight pond]

building a chasca team, would it be better to run
chasca c2r1, mona c4, durin, iansan c6
or
chasca c2r1, fischl c6, durin, iansan c6

Debating if vapes + mona ult are more valuable or more electro to match with durin's res shred

[uncut herald]

Is r5 prototype Amber enough for Furina? I think ages ago people were saying that it wasn’t enough healing but idk if that’s changed. Maybe c1 onwards it’s viable?

[valid anchor]

hmm? which one? Furina uses a sword, not a catalyst.

[valid anchor]

with whitchy, Mona fits a waay more in vape teams. But, the rest is up to you. I would llike to test by yourself and see what fits more your playstyle.

for example, a Japanese sample team would be Mauvika, Mona, Mualani and Sucrose, just for test how powerful vape is now with witchy chars.

[uncut herald]

I mean you run Furina but the only healer you have is an r5 prototype Amber user. Is it enough healing? Can she get enough fanfare but the whole team is still half hp? Is prototype Amber only viable with Furina C1+?

[quaint fern]

wait when did they change it to two per set per patch??

[valid anchor]

hmm... which one is the healer? I use Kokomi, and with R3+ Prototype Amber and it's quite enough.

[uncut herald]

Idk. Any catalyst. Mona, Lanyan, whoever

[uncut herald]

This patch

[quaint fern]

I dont think it's ever been enough to cap?

[valid anchor]

I guess probably won't be enough, but it depends on trial and error.

[quaint fern]

yall are maybe thinking of amber with neuvi??

[uncut herald]

That’s fine I just wanted to double check

[midnight pond]

ah ty, my main dps are neuv, chasca, and mavuika so no solid vape teams to run i think

[quaint fern]

I mean you dont have to run him with another hex character

you could just do smth like chasca ben citlali durin

[valid anchor]

some forums suggest to use Mona with Nymph's dream artifact set. curious.

[lyric cargo]

it was this patch

[quaint fern]

yeah you on field her for some of the durin team iirc

makes sense ig

[valid anchor]

since more hits Mona does, Nymph's dream stacks longer.

[lyric cargo]

it's kinda cope for having to farm / strongbox such a niche set

[valid anchor]

yeah, too niche. So, in a nutshell can be a roulette.

[odd robin]

I need help. Idk how to fill the last 5 slots.

[quaint fern]

do the world quests around natlan

you can probably find a guide online of where to start each if you dont have them in your quest log

they should(??) all be related to the little one quests if I remember correctly

[odd robin]

Thank you

[quaint fern]

you dont need to fill them up if you just want to do the archon quest btw

just search the name of the gadget on the wiki, all info should be there

[fossil raven]

Do I get durin on my backup account that has Furina and mizuki and diluc as my 5 stars, or save for others?

[spark crystal]

hes a good sub dps so id say if you have some decent 4 stars too id get him

[lyric cargo]

depends on goals, Durin on-field is possible if you like (he's normally an off-fielder, but then it depends on which on-fielders you actually go for. I wouldn't count Mizuki or Diluc)

if it's an account you don't actually play on much, I'd probably get Mavuika for movement utility + combat

Chasca would be another option

what do you actually want to do on the account?

another option is to wait until there's a char you're not sure about on your main

(but you can't really test out strength on an alt, where you don't go for artifact grinding and which is lower world level)

[crude dirge]

is lanyan the best defensive option that can also buff

[crude dirge]

yes i saw that

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/804424802101100545/1276402009989447741/little_funny_boing_boing.gif

[wraith flame]

someone rate my build pleease

[lyric cargo]

ingame stats aren't great for evaluation, an enka card would be better:
https://enka.network/

[dire valley]

how ... how do i get in 😭 im so confused ...

[rugged sparrow]

indwell a Koholasaurus

or use Mua/Mav

[dire valley]

i cant find any nearby T_T

whos mav :O

[rugged sparrow]

Mavuika

both Mua and Mav can ride on those

[dire valley]

Ah i have neither :')

ill keep searching

[rugged sparrow]

unluck

[foggy phoenix]

in a alre melt team is sucrose better than xilonen

[rugged sparrow]

with Citlali?

[foggy phoenix]

yes

[rugged sparrow]

idt it's necessarily better