🍀flexers

[outer lynx]

dull blade

[broken sphinx]

wrong

[outer lynx]

[broken sphinx]

pro ayaka aint it

got another flex too

[outer lynx]

good lord

[icy palm]

[broken sphinx]

ik you love it

[broken sphinx]

guess again

[cobalt rain]

i assume celestia, but you could get a deeper explanation of it in #📚lore-dungeon

[undone isle]

ahhh yes, wise words

[undone isle]

omg yes i wanna see what ppl make of this

[dim oak]

could this finally be my usable emblem circlet for my raiden??

trash subs besides cdmg but who cares as long as it rolls a lot of cdmg

[onyx fulcrum]

Oh no not the curse

[dim oak]

pls i just want my raiden to have a better circlet than the trash she runs now

[hallow minnow]

@icy palm That Xinyan looks so odd without her hair up.

[nimble pebble]

just hope it rolls well, anything can go wrong

[dim oak]

turned out better than i expected (2 missed rolls though, one into flat hp and one into flat def but its better than what i had previously at least )

[lucid hornet]

risk lower ER for more crit rate or lower crit rate for more ER? (ayaka blizzard set)

wrong chat srry o_o

[nimble pebble]

wow, i've had more than i'd like to admit go terribly

[onyx fulcrum]

Good good

Your Raiden must be smiling now

[dim oak]

[nimble pebble]

cup could be a lot better

[onyx fulcrum]

Oh

Not enough materials from that colossal frog

Good thing i have a lot of dream solvent

[dim oak]

just dont look at the def

[onyx fulcrum]

Not satisfied with my crit dmg but it's all right

[onyx fulcrum]

Nice def

[onyx fulcrum]

Are you using her signature weapon?

[dim oak]

yep, i got hella lucky on weap banner lmao

[onyx fulcrum]

Oh that explains the base atk

[onyx fulcrum]

Same here

[dim oak]

full build if ur curious, ik some pieces can use some improvement but i really dont wanna farm emblem anymore

[onyx fulcrum]

Nice sands, also same i hate farming emblem

[onyx fulcrum]

I dont wanna replace mine

[cedar ocean]

whats the website called again

[dim oak]

enka.shinshin.moe

[cedar ocean]

Im gonna be real guys this build will prevail any c6 no cap updated xiao guide the new meta

[calm ravine]

And I won her weapon too

[twilit matrix]

MY FIRST EVER 50CV ARTIFACT-

[undone isle]

O: geo dmg xiao? op

[undone isle]

stop stealing our luck

[cedar ocean]

its on hp tho

[twilit matrix]

I know It's literally my first 50cv artifact

[tame crater]

EU account for me Yelan and her weapon in like 5 wishes I’m crying-

[cedar ocean]

Like i feel bad about my luck but not really

[pallid latch]

I'm somewhat contented with my dps Kazuha build (but I need a better circlet)

Imma try getting cons in his rerun

[twilit matrix]

I hope he gets a return I lost the 50/50 the 1st time

[pallid latch]

O goodluck with your pulls

[violet ingot]

tf it is sooo good

[unborn pecan]

[potent cedar]

Now 20 it

[unborn pecan]

bet

ha funny

[potent cedar]

[unborn pecan]

[spiral pollen]

[onyx fulcrum]

How long have you been farming weekly bosses

[cedar ocean]

I have hundreds of those and i barely use them

[tame crater]

Chad

[dim oak]

flat atk

[hallow minnow]

I managed to get a better Xiao 👌 It used to be 100/140, now it's 100/160. Rising in those ranks!

[onyx fulcrum]

lemme see that non crit

[hallow minnow]

@onyx fulcrum Wha'chu mean? You mean without artifacts and without weapons??

[onyx fulcrum]

nevermind

[undone isle]

amazing

[hallow minnow]

Yo bro, how do I make an image like that? I know there's a website, but for the life of me can't remember what it was.

[dim oak]

enka.shinshin.moe

[neon sleet]

I need aqua simulacra 🥺

[pallid solstice]

562 dollars for genshin

[dim oak]

that sands is insane wtf

[hallow minnow]

You should see the pieces on my Noelle

[dim oak]

is that an atk% hat on a noelle?

[hallow minnow]

Yeah, but to be fair, farming Gladiator is pain.

[dim oak]

for glad pieces i just chuck my fodder into the strongbox

[hallow minnow]

I always forget about that thing.

[unborn grotto]

How do you see these

[remote spade]

https://enka.shinshin.moe/ website to show your builds

[faint walrus]

kinda copium

and here baal

[tame crater]

Ooooooo

[faint walrus]

still no cdm circlet

[nocturne folio]

[potent cedar]

Flexing that's there is missing ground before oceanid battle

[fading zephyr]

hmmm mets

[violet ingot]

lmao

[spiral pollen]

Hundreds? Surely that true

[violet ingot]

lvl 7 e
lvl 80 unascended
71/168
wp elegy (without passive)
4pc vv Jean
mona lvl 7 q
and Bennett for Pyro

yelan rotations for buffs is so much diff
cuz like you can't buff her using attack buffs
so it's confusing no ttds no Bennett buff no Pyro resonance

[dawn fulcrum]

Mi biggest flex i defeat the raiden shogun

[violet ingot]

N0ice

[stable dagger]

Instructors bennett

[violet ingot]

lol

[twilit matrix]

just got this

[nimble wind]

Die

[onyx fulcrum]

Die

[twilit matrix]

[native swift]

my heart sank

[stable dagger]

Bless you

[twilit matrix]

Ik it’s hard not being me

[languid condor]

not me getting yelan pieces when i don't have yelan :')

[tired sage]

day 3

[dim oak]

that circlet is absolutely cracked damn

[tired sage]

agree

[weary hollow]

The pictures are kinda creepy ngl 😂

But nice buildss

Also does anyone have any idea about when kazuhu will get his rerun??🥲

[ivory oracle]

Bruh these pics

[weary hollow]

Exactly 🤣🤣

[gaunt sparrow]

wink wonk

[fallen forge]

i can sell this

[remote spade]

i need it

[sour zephyr]

took me since ga islands to get a circlet that good

[violet ingot]

that's good piece for my yelan💀

[crisp aspen]

[violet ingot]

noice

[vivid parrot]

That’s probably one of the best raiden shoguns I’ve seen, what’s your max dmg hits?

[glad rapids]

C0 Kazuha Sacrificial Sword Taser & C6 Noelle Mono Geo | Spiral Abyss 2.7 Floor 12 - 9⭐
https://youtu.be/DJuLjLUDxL0

[calm ravine]

Same weapon too anyways im running her on pure dps so im not focusing too much on er cos it give alot of electro dmg bonus.

[unborn pecan]

like 200k full buffs ? idk man

[nocturne tendon]

What the hell is that feather

[vivid parrot]

It’s crazy to see 200CD Raiden Shogun but if I got closer to that I’d miss out on like 50% electro dmg which doesn’t seem worth it with my artifacts right now

[calm ravine]

Mine is 307k maximum. Raw is around 70-80k dmg depending on my pjws stacks

[calm ravine]

Damn that goblet + on set mine is off piece

[vivid parrot]

C0-C1? What supports do you use?

[unborn pecan]

and here is my kazuha, pretty decent ig

[vast hull]

rate my xiao pls

[tired sage]

cool

really nice and consistent build

[vast hull]

4 months of grinding

[tired sage]

cool

[vast hull]

and i just noticed your pfp

[tired sage]

btw since ur good with xiao (yeah )

which one is better

[tired sage]

@vast hull

[vast hull]

consistency number 1 , bigger numbers number 2

[tired sage]

overall which is the better pick

[vast hull]

Number 2 , i used to have 50 crit rate while using blackcliff , worked fine

[tired sage]

sometimes doesn't crit

[twilit matrix]

I’m scared and proud

[tired sage]

the number 1 has a better ttk compared to the 2nd one

[vast hull]

ehh it's a 50/50

[vast hull]

what does ttk stand for

[tired sage]

time to kill

[vast hull]

mmm good point , go with what your heart desires

[tired sage]

basiclly no 1 is faster at taking down enemies

[vast hull]

big numbers or faster genocide

[tired sage]

i will, it's not like he would loose damage

[tired sage]

that genocide though... (but i will think about it)

[vast hull]

btw what website did you use for your stat card

[tired sage]

https://enka.shinshin.moe/u/

it's more simpledont have to screenshot it

[vast hull]

the exact same??

[tired sage]

the "enka version"

[vast hull]

uh

[tired sage]

https://enka.shinshin.moe/u/830978465

just change the uid

[teal whale]

first one by a lot

i just did the math and ~30% more damage

[tired sage]

that's what i thought

[tired sage]

yeah, unlike other servers told me to no loose the 18 atk

[violet ingot]

your er though

[tired sage]

i have ei to batery him

[teal whale]

yeah the er is a bit

[cedar ocean]

I run 84-201 Xiao with primodial zero er tho

[violet ingot]

it's pretty bad

[teal whale]

i don't like to use ei on teams she doesn't belong

[tired sage]

i have ei*

[vast hull]

lol i only got 110

[violet ingot]

xiao and ei do not have good synergy though
it's like 💀

[tired sage]

xiao, ei, diona, bennet

[teal whale]

use sucrosse instead of ei

[tired sage]

some one suggested me this

[violet ingot]

sucrose with like fav codex

[vast hull]

meet my way too much crit dmg rosaria

[teal whale]

or with sacrifi

[violet ingot]

that might be enough
barely

[tired sage]

haven't built her yet, as for jean i borrowed the pieces for xiao

[violet ingot]

you'd need to switch hell a lot of times for that
to funnel particles properly to xiao

[ancient sparrow]

Kequing + raiden is pro yes?

[tired sage]

i'll take this advice in consideration

[teal whale]

you dont need that much of a build for her

[tired sage]

hmm

[vast hull]

ehhh just chuck some er pieces or eosf on her

[teal whale]

she is here to help your xiao with 10-15 particles

[violet ingot]

:|

c0 r5 catch

[tired sage]

i reached 200k too (with food buffs)

[tired sage]

i see

[violet ingot]

my raiden is kinda meh
but like my artifact luck is meh-er

[tired sage]

decent stat (good er though)

[violet ingot]

73cr and 176cdmg with catch

[tired sage]

nice

[onyx fulcrum]

Same

[calm ravine]

My er is meh

[onyx fulcrum]

What

[sour zephyr]

anything over 250 er is useless. you only need 250 max for raiden.

[onyx fulcrum]

Can't help it, it's my substats

[vivid parrot]

Nice, my max is 226k right now but I can’t wait for Kazuha rerun, hopefully hit 250k+

[sour zephyr]

impressive to get over 250 tho tbh

[violet ingot]

yea
sands and the catch alone are like almost 100er lol

[violet ingot]

tf is that base attack
what wp?

[cobalt rain]

i need a better goblet and feather pretty happy with her crit stats considering my weapon though (a little over 33k hp on field)

[violet ingot]

fav warbow
based.

it honestly feels perfect for her👌

though I'm running elegy

[cobalt rain]

yeah that particle funneling and er stat for emblem is chefs kiss

i would go for her weapon but i REALLY don’t want a jade spear and it’d just be adding a lot more very unnecessary damage

[radiant wedge]

is this ok

[onyx fulcrum]

Oh attack sands

[radiant wedge]

or do i change the att sands

[cobalt rain]

i’d recommend ascending the skyward to 90 for the er but aside from that very nice build!

[onyx fulcrum]

Fuck Tenacity i hate farming that set so much

[cobalt rain]

atk sands is good if you have a nice balance of er (which you do)

[radiant wedge]

oo thanks thanks

[violet ingot]

you ideally shouldn't be going double attack
because you'll prolly be running her with Bennett
and then that's just way too much attack
and electro dmg would be much better
imo

[cobalt rain]

np!

[violet ingot]

do you manage to get your burst
with just 105% er?

[onyx fulcrum]

No worries, i have Xingqiu

[faint walrus]

its good for el and it boost your electro damage bonus

[violet ingot]

hm lol

[onyx fulcrum]

Dont forget, im not done with that damn Tenacity yet

[violet ingot]

4pc eosf would prolly be better

but you got no er so idk 💀

[cobalt rain]

i think i could get it dawn to to 2 char but i’m not sure who to run because first half without a cc is painful

[kindred cape]

ayy tenacity and HoD gang

[onyx fulcrum]

I refuse to farm that set, it's full of Def

[violet ingot]

i fucking agree

[kindred cape]

lol unlucky

[violet ingot]

i hate that domain as well🙁

[sour zephyr]

nah it caps at 250. anything over doesnt give a bonus

[onyx fulcrum]

Damn right you are

[kindred cape]

but holy shit that crit damage tho

[faint walrus]

what caps the el or electro damage

[kindred cape]

what app is that btw?

[onyx fulcrum]

i should use this sands instead

[onyx fulcrum]

enka.shinshin.moe

[sour zephyr]

wym by el?

[radiant wedge]

damn ur er

[violet ingot]

engulfing

[faint walrus]

engulfing lightning gives atk

[violet ingot]

even eosf bonus goes till 300% er

[faint walrus]

still got the electro damage bonus tho

[violet ingot]

I'd personally run this
i just like having er
it makes life easier

[cobalt rain]

not bad but i’d say you’re overcapping er a bit

[sour zephyr]

electro dmg. not everyone has el lol

[onyx fulcrum]

You can blame my substats

[faint walrus]

yeh but it's not entirely useless

[radiant wedge]

like this?

[cobalt rain]

even though eosf gives a boost until 300 er i’ve done the testing and higher atk/cd at the cost of some er does more overall rather than more er for me personally

[faint walrus]

just say without el

[onyx fulcrum]

How's this

[sour zephyr]

lol i didnt know el boosted based of er but tbh is anything over 250 worth it if ur sacrificing cr/cd

[violet ingot]

holy shit that's 285 er
i didnt even see that

[faint walrus]

yeh i think

[cobalt rain]

veryy nice

[faint walrus]

depends

[violet ingot]

it's not like im running 270er by choice💀
it's just that everything frikin rolls into it

[kindred cape]

pain

[faint walrus]

how about this

[cobalt rain]

that’d definitely give more dmg than the original 285 er

[onyx fulcrum]

This was the set i used before remembering i had tenacity on Zhongli

[cobalt rain]

id add a bit more cr for consistency but aside from that amazing stat balance

[violet ingot]

without catch? or with it?

[onyx fulcrum]

Without, im not going to use Blackcliff on her

[faint walrus]

my emblem set luck is bad

[kindred cape]

damn man

[onyx fulcrum]

our

[cobalt rain]

[onyx fulcrum]

I can use this instead

[violet ingot]

omg

i run this
with my yelan
hp might cross 30k once is ascend her past 90
2pc hod 2pc eosf for now
with elegy

[kindred cape]

yoo with elegy?

[onyx fulcrum]

Wait, i have cdmg circlet EoSF on my Xiao

[violet ingot]

if i play below 70cr
nothing crits
so yea...
my crit rng is pretty bad

[kindred cape]

compared to @onyx fulcrum mine is doodoo

[violet ingot]

yep elegy👌
i got it on the haran banner when i was trying for haran
to give it to me keqing :')

[onyx fulcrum]

You'll be fine with a bit more farming

[violet ingot]

at least you dont have 100er

[onyx fulcrum]

Nice Hp btw

[kindred cape]

i swear when I want tenacity the bloody domain gives me pale flame instead

[violet ingot]

hell yeah

all yall with 35k+ hp
while im struggling with 30k+

[kindred cape]

it do be like that

[onyx fulcrum]

Im struggling to replace this HP sands

[kindred cape]

anyone uses full thundersoother on yae?

[violet ingot]

and this is my full 4pc eosf yelan
which i'd really rather not use💀

[violet ingot]

idts ill ever get anything better than this tbf
:')

[gaunt sparrow]

OMG

PERFECTO

[onyx fulcrum]

Yo same

[broken sphinx]

U r gonna want more er

[onyx fulcrum]

I heard that loud and clear

Im not done farming yet

[broken sphinx]

Also run 4pc emblem if possible

[onyx fulcrum]

Fuck that set, it's full of def

[kindred cape]

random bullshit go

i mean two piece of tenacity and hod should be fine

[broken sphinx]

@onyx fulcrum

I run this 4pc emblem 3 elements

Still farming as well

[kindred cape]

seggs-c pieces

[broken sphinx]

?

[onyx fulcrum]

Ikr but i'm just not done with tenacity

[violet ingot]

bruh the amount of hp you got from weapons and artifacts is almost as much as my total hp💀

[kindred cape]

spend primos on resins

[broken sphinx]

This is with 18% hp from 3 elements

[kindred cape]

sexy pieces u got thr lad noice

[broken sphinx]

Which is what i said already

[onyx fulcrum]

oh damn you have 200 more hp than mine

[calm ravine]

Pjws

[broken sphinx]

Im still farming for better pieces

Could use more hp and cr on hydro cup

[calm ravine]

My eosf literally has no hp%

[broken sphinx]

Shes triple crowned

[onyx fulcrum]

Tomorrow im about to get full pale flame from that domain

[calm ravine]

Literally the only hp% on my eosf

Lvl 50 Yelan on lvl 70 aqua cos I have 0 mats to upgrade shit

[onyx fulcrum]

Why the hell is this better than my 2pc HOD + Noblesse

[broken sphinx]

Why is your sac not 90

Also you need more er at least 220 since no c6

[onyx fulcrum]

It's been like that for a few months now

[kindred cape]

you could say...
he sacrificed his resin on artifacts and not upgrading the sword

[onyx fulcrum]

dont forget weekly bosses

[calm ravine]

She’s all talent 2 e does around 10k raw and 25k vape. Managed to hit 100k on a setup tho

[onyx fulcrum]

I dont have any problem with only 177

[calm ravine]

You run him on double hydro or with raiden?

[broken sphinx]

Well if you dont proc sac pssive then u wont have enough

[onyx fulcrum]

Right now both

[calm ravine]

Kk same lol

[broken sphinx]

What does 1.6/20.8 mean

[kindred cape]

wtf?

[calm ravine]

But I have 200 er and I’m c6 so it’s abit overkill

[calm ravine]

?

[onyx fulcrum]

You can blame the weapon banner for only giving me 1 sac sword from 65 wishes

[broken sphinx]

@onyx fulcrum what does your 1.6k/20.8k mean

[kindred cape]

ouch

[cobalt rain]

yelan skill no food/potion buff

[onyx fulcrum]

Oh so you were asking me, primogems

[broken sphinx]

Primos for what

[cobalt rain]

that’s with an hp circlet though so i wonder if it’d be higher with a cd one

[onyx fulcrum]

Yoimiya

[broken sphinx]

👁️

I hope you can at least 36* abyss

[onyx fulcrum]

The 2 bows will end up useless if i dont get another bow user

[calm ravine]

This one is fine if you have a good rational for PMA. Even tho it’s like 2.2M hp you can shred it with any strong single target team

[teal whale]

220 is needed if you are not using sac sword, if you are using one the er drops to ~170

[onyx fulcrum]

Good thing you asked because:

[broken sphinx]

No you still need 220 cause sac may not proc and also theres a cd as well after using it

[onyx fulcrum]

I can 36* it again if you want

[teal whale]

The cd of sac sword align with xingqiu at r3

[broken sphinx]

If u want it up in one rotation at least

[calm ravine]

Is 40k hp on yelan overkill?

[broken sphinx]

Is that with 18% or no

[onyx fulcrum]

Nice

[restive mountain]

My luck rubs off of other people huh(friend's acc btw)

[broken sphinx]

Or is that 30%

[calm ravine]

No I was calculating my yelan’s hp when I level her to 90.

[calm ravine]

18% from?

[broken sphinx]

Uhh how is your hp so damn high if thats not with 18% or 30%

[onyx fulcrum]

No i meant, nice hp

[broken sphinx]

Her a2 passive

[kindred cape]

her passive talent if it has different elements and shit in ur team

[teal whale]

How do you have that much hp

[calm ravine]

Half of the artis are from my 50k hp Kokomi and the other half is just crit with hp subs

[broken sphinx]

Uhh hows your crit

[teal whale]

Are you using double hp piece or something?

[calm ravine]

2 tenacity. Though she is still 22k at lvl. 50 ascended

[onyx fulcrum]

Oh so this is what Yelan with double HP looks like, with 18%

[teal whale]

That er...

You are going to have serious problems

[onyx fulcrum]

Oh the crit is still okay

[calm ravine]

Mine is on 140 with raiden and XQ

[broken sphinx]

U want at least 130 er

[teal whale]

With those two is good i think

[gaunt sparrow]

jk i just tried putting TP on her since I currently dont have AS

[broken sphinx]

For yelan 130 er Assuming c2, else i wouldnt run anything lower than 200 er if c0

[teal whale]

If you don't use sac xingqiu you need like 200 er

[broken sphinx]

I tested 160 er with c0 and it was awful

I bumped it up to 200 and it was fine after

[calm ravine]

My XQ’s er is too high 200 at c6 in double hydro team and raiden

[kindred cape]

what team comp do u use?

[cobalt rain]

not at all

[calm ravine]

I’m just running XQ, yelan raiden and Bennett/sucrose

[calm ravine]

Overworld unga bunga

[kindred cape]

ahh icic, i just run hutao,yelan,xing and zhong.

[calm ravine]

Oh kokomi has less base hp than yelan. That means 60k hp is possible

Not an actual build ofc but just for fun

[broken sphinx]

Wait what

Im stacking prosperity books today

[calm ravine]

Me, no resin as usual

[broken sphinx]

But yea yelan feels awful without 200 er for c0 even with hydro battery

[calm ravine]

Mine is 140 with XQ and raiden

[broken sphinx]

I mean u r running ei

[calm ravine]

My yelan is doing 11k on her e now

Can’t wait to get it past talent 2

[broken sphinx]

My f2p yelan does like 16k on her e

17k mb

[calm ravine]

I got aqua so… I was not expect Helen but I got her at 2, therefore I have no mats as I was not prepared

[onyx fulcrum]

Are you perhaps telling me to use ER sands/2pc EoSF and ER bow

[broken sphinx]

No use 4pc esf and yes use er sands

Dont need er bow

[calm ravine]

What can a crowned yelan e with aqua r1 do?

[onyx fulcrum]

for 4pc Eosf, i refuse

I have shit luck no matter how long i farm for that set

[broken sphinx]

Farm it for a year first 🤦‍♂️

[calm ravine]

Bruh I have almost no hp% on that set

Suffering from success

[onyx fulcrum]

It hasn't even been a year for that domain yet

[broken sphinx]

6.2k-7.3k t8 q on f2p yelan btw

Shes not 90 yet

[onyx fulcrum]

I would still refuse using that set im already fine with this set i have now

[broken sphinx]

Suit yourself

I was running 2pc 2pc initially as well but then i switched

[calm ravine]

Finally ascended yelan LESGO. Now she’s lvl 51 let’s dmg test lol

[broken sphinx]

@onyx fulcrum here

How much more f2p can u get

[calm ravine]

Lvl 51 yelan doing 32k raw vapes wtf

[onyx fulcrum]

What do you mean by 'f2p'

[broken sphinx]

Free to play

[onyx fulcrum]

No not that

[broken sphinx]

?

[onyx fulcrum]

By the weapon or something?

[broken sphinx]

Yea

Too far from pity to try to get aqua on this acc

Recurve is good enough since dont have r5 stringless

[onyx fulcrum]

No money spent

Im never rolling on the weapon banner again

[broken sphinx]

I already have this on my main acc so its fine to run recurve on this other acc

[onyx fulcrum]

"Yelan feels awful without 200 er" huh

[broken sphinx]

I hit 57k raw e’s

[onyx fulcrum]

Nice crit though

[broken sphinx]

On my main acc, against maguu

[broken sphinx]

Yea she does if you dont have c1

200 er feels solid

With vv i can hit like 70-80k e’s i think

I dont pay attention really

Still gonna keep farming this cursed emblem domain regardless

Either more hp or crit would be nice

[onyx fulcrum]

Bruh you're not satisfied with that yet?

[broken sphinx]

Yea cause i need to be a top yelan contender

👁️

I think shes only above avg rn, not yet top

Also i need more emblem pieces in general

[onyx fulcrum]

Good thing i still have my dodging skills even though i've been relying on Zhongli's shield for months now

[broken sphinx]

Im not worried about that lol

[onyx fulcrum]

just saying

[broken sphinx]

I just want to be a top yelan contender is all

[onyx fulcrum]

pretty much, if you're talking about the crit that is, i've seen someone with good crit rate with 300 cdmg

[broken sphinx]

No thats actually not good

You dont need that much cd, if you have over 250 you stack %hp i did the math already

My cup doesnt have cd at all

Its hp and cr, i would like some more of that

300 cd is so bad cause you could be getting hp which is higher value

Like people value crit too much but its essentially not worth over 250 usually it becomes diminishing returns over 200

[broken sphinx]

Guessing his hp is low

What was his hp after 18% buff

Im trying to hit 40k hp clean maybe (with 18%)

[onyx fulcrum]

Im trying to find it somewhere

[broken sphinx]

Kk

[onyx fulcrum]

Keep guessing cause i dont know where it is anymore but i saw it somewhere

[broken sphinx]

Oh well

I mainly would like a better hydro cup

Also maybe better subs on my feather

@onyx fulcrum i dont like how your dms r blocked, was gonna send u something

[onyx fulcrum]

oh right

[onyx fulcrum]

How about now

[idle pulsar]

don't mind the top part i was watching yt

[sour zephyr]

you screenshot this from a ds?

[idle pulsar]

2 screen top and bottom

genshin on ds would be fun and hot

thank fully it was on standard

[cobalt rain]

r5 stringless yelan level 8 skill

[broken sphinx]

123k e vapes on pyro cube just checked, no buffs

[unborn grotto]

699 def

[broken sphinx]

You should get that er and cr up

[visual bear]

If it helps maybe go 2 tenacity and 2 HOD.
Probably better for yelan damage and easier to build.@unborn grotto

Or for an easier time with ER% and rotations 4 emblem.
70 eng cost is something

[broken sphinx]

Ar60 is a scam, 1 exp = 10 mora cmon

[gilded violet]

does anyone have one of those screenshots of a good xiao build I’m trying to build my xiao finally

[mystic flame]

[hardy drift]

Still trying to farm CWF to this day.

[clever spruce]

i need an on-piece of gladiator and a good goblet for him

and also pjws

[late galleon]

pain

[mystic flame]

[late galleon]

farmed CWF for a few weeks

[late galleon]

1k em

[mystic flame]

F2p

[late galleon]

forced2pay

[cedar ocean]

I know that anemo damage goblet is better than atk but if you have that bad substats go atk like me I went atk since my substats hit 46 cv it’s not worth that little increase of damage with bad substats

[clever spruce]

ye, maybe i do that

[faint walrus]

atk sands

[faint walrus]

same

[clever spruce]

amos on diona

[faint walrus]

yeh because i got no bow dps

i didn't mean to say hydro

[dusky dust]

not sure about xiao specifically but in most cases an elemental dmg bonus goblet is always better than an atk one

[hardy drift]

W-What do I use then?

[lavish monolith]

Hp

[broken sphinx]

Hey the man could be going for that phys ht build

[hardy drift]

Well I'll farm for a good hp sands soon enough.

[broken sphinx]

So im testing double hydro ht vape team and this comp is disgusting strong

My ht can do up to like 97k vapes

I just saw 100k vapes

[fallen forge]

why?

[broken sphinx]

100320 vapes with ht

Against raiden boss

[craggy minnow]

2.8 waiting room

[wooden idol]

Pat's pockets for wallet

[stoic harbor]

yoo free 2 play gang

[remote forge]

dolphin btw

[faint walrus]

[tribal crest]

Flexing on yall

[undone isle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/947917240077017118/983422091464425502/My_Genshin_Impact_character_design_Meet_Eden_a_Fatui_envoy_with_a_dendro_vision_and_a_geo_delusion_.jpeg.jpg

I got lucky as well

[tribal crest]

Lmao

[broken sphinx]

That hp is very problematic

Also u r using the diluc food buff 🤦‍♂️

[covert phoenix]

[tawdry blade]

[torn pasture]

demon time xq

[gilded fable]

Imagine it only taking weeks to get these stats.

[late galleon]

Got rly lucky i guess

[gilded fable]

That HP smh. Get her an HP Hat.

[teal whale]

That happened to me with the emblem set

Just one week and i got a full set with good stats

[gilded fable]

God I wish my account had art luck. lmao. My Raiden and Tao both tooks months of farming (including refreshes a lot of the time) to get to where they are now.

[teal whale]

I mean my albedo took me like 3 months and his circlet is shit

[late galleon]

I do not refresh and i think you already saw my raiden build but it took me very long

[teal whale]

Also my noelle is with really bad pieces, that happened to me with just the emblem set

[gilded fable]

Took me over a year to build my Albedo the old way to 80/180. Then the new set dropped like 3 days later and it was automatically cope.

[late galleon]

[teal whale]

Oof

[gilded fable]

I pretty much did 1 a day for over a year. I've stopped for the most part since hitting AR60.

[broken sphinx]

Show

[gilded fable]

Did one for Yelan boss mats but that's about it.

[broken sphinx]

Show

[teal whale]

The last time i refresh was like last year or something

[late galleon]

This one xD

@broken sphinx

[broken sphinx]

Holy shit thats almost similar to mine

What the fuck r those pieces

[late galleon]

Huh

[broken sphinx]

I run 67/162

[gilded fable]

I think these are current...

[late galleon]

I can run 80/140

[broken sphinx]

Im not even done farming

[late galleon]

Im not done too

[gilded fable]

tbh this is low-key my fav Raiden build I've done.

[late galleon]

Looks great

[gilded fable]

There's another Spine build with 75% CR too.

But the EL build is overall better.

[broken sphinx]

Ugh im stuck in emblem for like another year it seems…

[late galleon]

Im now spending half on vv the other half om eosf dailu

[broken sphinx]

Well i triple crowned my queen today

[late galleon]

Im keepin my crowns

[broken sphinx]

So now i have to keep farming emblem

Since i still want better pieces

[late galleon]

ill maybe try 80/170 raiden one day

[broken sphinx]

Thats overkill

[late galleon]

Over 260 cv build or smth like that

[broken sphinx]

U dont need 80 cr smh

[late galleon]

Unless ill try having the same cr i have now but higher cd

[broken sphinx]

I also cant seem to understand people who run 100 cr

[gilded fable]

I'm shooting for 70/150 w/ 270% ER. But I'd really like 75.

[broken sphinx]

@late galleon sorry i made a typo, i run 71/162

[late galleon]

What weapon you use

[broken sphinx]

Wait no 67/162, what the hell am i thinking of

I must be thinking of some other char

[gilded fable]

I run 65/163 w/ 225% ER sometimes. That's her Atk Sand build.

[spring knoll]

i "technically" run a 100 cr raiden

[broken sphinx]

Grasscutter

[late galleon]

Oh lol im waiting for it

[gilded fable]

[sour pivot]

it didn't touch def once

[spring knoll]

by technically i mean my hu tao grants the last quarter of crit rate

[sour pivot]

it only went for the hp and crit

[gilded fable]

Cope.

[late galleon]

If it takes long to her rerun banner i might try r5 if she'll still stay as a meta character

[broken sphinx]

But u dont even have c2 yet

[late galleon]

Getting a 5 star character aint that expensive

Plus since the 1st day i had welkin i still have it by that day i buy the bp all the time when its out sometimes im willing to buy the crystals when i pulled for xiao the same day i had like 40 pity for yelan XD

[late galleon]

Im gonna skip yelan i think, cause now i dont have any money im only willing to spend for kazuha now.

[late galleon]

Nice ratio

[regal crow]

Thank you

[gilded fable]

That atk.

[hallow minnow]

Any character who gains crit rate as they level up is probably a character to get 100% crit rate lmao.

[gilded fable]

Most of the CR ascension characters start to see diminishing returns around 80% usually... but that doesn't mean the returns aren't still good.

[regal crow]

Is it bad?

[gilded fable]

Yeah... You'd more likely than not see more dmg with an Atk hat instead. I never run Fish under 2k Atk. Even in TS4.

[spring knoll]

did that with my yoimiya lmao, well it's close to 100

[gilded fable]

OH WAIT. She's only lvl 60.

[regal crow]

Ah

[regal crow]

Yep

[gilded fable]

Ignore me until you level her up and check her stats. lol

[regal crow]

Ahh okay :>
Thank you for the advice

[hallow minnow]

@gilded fable 100/200 Xiao is a monster, I have 100/160 until I get Staff of Homa.

[broken sphinx]

Theres no reason to go for 100 cr, i even think 80 is more than enough

[spring knoll]

i didn't know you can choose what you get for artifacts

[gilded fable]

You're wrong. If Xiao doesn't crit 80%+ of the time his DPS tanks. Him more than most really need decent CR.

Every optimization I've ever done for Xiao put him as close to 100% rate as possible without being overly cope to get there.

IME anything under 75% is hardly even worth trying to play effectively. Low CR Xiao is a nightmare of disappointment. lol

[hallow minnow]

If you reall want the math, here's the equation to work with:
(1 - cr) + cr * (1 + cd)

The higher the result, the better.

[violet ingot]

omg 80 is not enough
but because i genshin hates me
so i run 79/180💀

[gilded fable]

The only character I've ever had optimize below 70% that's a DPS was my Raiden, at one point. It was 63%.

[violet ingot]

https://c.tenor.com/dxuA7ovhdkoAAAAM/genshin-impact-zy0x.gif

[gilded fable]

https://tenor.com/view/stickergiant-gone-fishing-gone-fishin-fishing-big-fish-gif-19607630

[violet ingot]

imagine running less than 70cr

[gilded fable]

ikr? Clowns

[spring knoll]

LMAOOOO

[violet ingot]

eula mains do be like that
||and it's fine||

[spring knoll]

phew close one
||(jk, i have 74,2 i just switched to make it funnier lmao)||

[violet ingot]

except for like anemo supports and Bennett
every char i run has 70cr
the crit rng just doesn't work for me otherwise
it's just bad luck i suppose😭

[broken sphinx]

Ok sure other than xiao who else would you be running close to 100 cr? 100 is really overkill and most people will just sette around 70

[spring knoll]

technically, ayaka, after applying all buffs (double cryo, 4p BS, etc.) it's not uncommon to run 40/45 CR on her

[broken sphinx]

Other than 4 bs users and ayaka

[violet ingot]

70 on a good day tbf
most people flex their 55/230 or like 60/230 xiao
it gives me the creeps

[broken sphinx]

Cause we rnt talking about specifics

[gilded fable]

There's a HUGE difference between SETTLING and OPTIMAL, my dude.

[spring knoll]

anyone you like, ppl just like to build whatever really

i run a 4p BS amber in a freeze bomb team xD

[broken sphinx]

If 100 was actually best then late game users would be maxing cr but then dont

[spring knoll]

if you REALLY want to talk about optimally, then no, you'd rarely build anyone with 100%, given that you can buff crit too

[violet ingot]

i dont even have enough artifacts to give my Ayaka 4pc bs
i cant imagine giving my amber one💀

[spring knoll]

well some ppl run 300% crit dmg with 2k attack ayaka and do less dmg than ppl with 2.3k attak but 270% CD

[broken sphinx]

So clearly 100 cr is not true optimal

[gilded fable]

Depends on the character / comp. Most meta comps don't include rate buffs.

[broken sphinx]

Yea those ppl who run 300 cd dont know what diminishing returns is

[spring knoll]

well reason being, her bunnies have an extremely long uptime, you pull both out, you freeze with other chars and then manually explode both, often, if not everytime, i do like 300k per bunny

[gilded fable]

Which one does more dmg fully buffed?

[spring knoll]

it's a fun comp to play with, not optimal, not meta, fun
which is kinda what games are supposed to be tbh

[violet ingot]

i mean if you are talking about like 100/140
then yea prolly it doesn't make sense
but in general xiao is pretty rate hungry

[violet ingot]

this turned into a life lesson pretty quick

[spring knoll]

bottom in this case, if i'm assuming any elegy weapon R5 buff (FS for example) and TTDS R5, top one if you lack one of these buffs
DR starts at around 2.7k atk iirc

[broken sphinx]

Alright i can agree that xiao likes cr but what about in general

[violet ingot]

how is that second art even ayaka

[broken sphinx]

Like almost no one i see who aims for optimal endgame builds will be looking for true 100 cr on their main dps

[violet ingot]

in general you give him what you got
cuz fuck artifact rng

[gilded fable]

Noooooooope.

It's a bit of a trick question... they both do within a few hundred dmg of each other the same calculated DPS in my Freeze comp.

But the atk% hat wins out by 400 dmg per burst tick, strictly speaking.

[spring knoll]

i'm running a similar like your bottom one, but i have a bit more crit dmg as well as R5 elegy on my venti, i'm planning to switch venti out for kazuha (have him, but need more attack on ayaka first) my personal goal is 2.250 at least

[teal whale]

The one i can think is childe if you don't ult every rotation, since his riptide is applied with crits and a lot of his damage comes from it

[gilded fable]

That's with: Mist 3 Stack, TTDS + NO Mona, TOTM Kokomi, and 1k EM Kazuha.

[spring knoll]

i mean that's VERY specific in your case, if you had a bit more cd, you'd prolly do more with the bottom one, at least that's the case for me (compared to my 2 builds, one has 1.9k tho, it's not as big of a diff compared to your two builds)

[broken sphinx]

Actually second one is better if you run shenhe and ttds kokomi

[violet ingot]

oh god C6 R5
my man run attack goblet
your mistsplitter is giving you way tooooo much elemental dmg bonus
attk much better

[gilded fable]

It's actually not. I've tested that too.

[broken sphinx]

Otherwise atk hat wins since no atk buffs

[cedar ocean]

Even if it means that you’ll have to sacrifice good substats? In my case I’ll have to sac a 46 cv goblet

[spring knoll]

actually not, DR for elemental starts at like 160 iirc

[broken sphinx]

You can easily get like 40% atk buff

So cd wins since it scales better

[gilded fable]

Anyway. My point is that most people have no idea what they're talking about when they use the word 'optimal'. lol

[violet ingot]

doesn't R5 mist give you like 80-90 more?

[broken sphinx]

If you dont run ttds and shenhe then atk hat wins, ive done the math

[violet ingot]

idk
that's not my domain
but I've generally heard that
after an r3 mistsplitter
attk goblet is bis

[gilded fable]

That's dif. iirc Triple Atk with Mist is the way to go if you have R5 + Kazuha.

[violet ingot]

he has R5 mist💀

[broken sphinx]

If you run ayakas best comp, cd hat will win since you get enough atk buffs to powercreep atk hat

[gilded fable]

You realize Shenhe doesn't give an Atk buff right?

[spring knoll]

yeah, it's a direct dmg buff to cryo dmg

[cedar ocean]

Was it worth it :/

[spring knoll]

with my build above, i do 90k Es with 83k CAs (dunno what my burst dps is, i haven't tested it, it's enough for anything really lmao)

[cedar ocean]

I’m pretty sure I’d rather c6 than r5 a weapon

[violet ingot]

shush don't ask such questions

[broken sphinx]

It does give atk buff, its based@on her total atk which boosts your cyro dmg, its actually way more valuable than %atk buff

[gilded fable]

Shenhe Shred Res and adds FLAT DMG to Cryo dmg. Not Atk.

[spring knoll]

i don't R5 if i don't C6 first, so here's your answer, yes was worth it

[gilded fable]

Shenhe & Yunjin both work in similar ways and are the only 2 characters that work that way atm. Calcs are totally different.

[broken sphinx]

Ive tested atk hat and crit hat, crit hat wins

[gilded fable]

You can never account for someone else's subs.

[broken sphinx]

Ttds itself gives 48% atk

[violet ingot]

well it depends on what you are running

[spring knoll]

i think both of you are talking past each other, you're both understanding it right, but the wording is wrong in SDFs case, it's not an "atk buff" it's a "dmg buff based on shenhe's current atk"

[broken sphinx]

Tom gives another 20%, that easily beats 46.6% atk hat

[gilded fable]

Correct.

[gilded fable]

You don't get it. lmao

[broken sphinx]

Its a 68% atk buff + shenhes busted quill buff

[gilded fable]

It's not... an Atk... buff.

[violet ingot]

he gets that

[broken sphinx]

I do get it, i used to think what you think before as well till i did some actual tests

[violet ingot]

what weapon do you use?

[gilded fable]

Bruh.

I have tested those 2 builds thoroughly with Ayaka, Shenhe, Kazuha, Kokomi. Atk% wins between my 2 builds.

[broken sphinx]

Also if you want to add kazu with freedom sworn then you get another 18% atk dude cmon

[violet ingot]

you didn't add noblesse btw
i mean if you are really like adding everything

[broken sphinx]

Why would you run NO here

[violet ingot]

hey why not?

[broken sphinx]

Cause theres@no reason to?

[violet ingot]

NO is always nice to have

[spring knoll]

nah, you can run 4p NO on shenhe if you want, sacrificing 36% atk on her is fine tbh

[broken sphinx]

4 tom from kokomi ttds buff from kokomi, fs buff, shenhe atk buff

[gilded fable]

You need a really stacked NO build to justify doing this, IIRC.
I'm working on one now.

[spring knoll]

not really impossible tbh

[broken sphinx]

Its not justified at all better to go 2pc 2pc

[violet ingot]

but like using shenhe's burst will give her attack% so it won't be 36%

[gilded fable]

You're pretty dense, aren't you?

[broken sphinx]

And you arent?

You are saying atk hat always win when it doesnt

[violet ingot]

and buff everyone else as well

is the diff that big??

[gilded fable]

No. I'm not. I never used absolutes in any of this.

[spring knoll]

same, i've got this so far (need a flower still, other pieces not necessary to show, as atk% is the mainstat)

[broken sphinx]

Also its not artifact efficient to run a 4 no piece that can get up to the extra 36% atk from 2pc 2pc

[violet ingot]

how much attack% does noblesse give?

[gilded fable]

I'm trying to say there is no way to tell someone they should use Dmg over Atk. Even on characters that aren't Ayaka. IT'S ALL ABOUT YOUR INDIVIDUAL STAT BALANCE. And the comp, ofc.

[spring knoll]

20% for everyone

[broken sphinx]

Well no shit, can we get back to the original topic…

[teal whale]

So my friend got diluc 2 times last week (one from the standard banner and the other from the yelan one) and now he got another 5* in less than a 10 pull from the second diluc

[broken sphinx]

Someone justify why 100 cr endgame is best cause if this were true why doesnt everyone who r min maxing aim for it?

[violet ingot]

yea so like you are only losing 16%
i think it's pretty good

[gilded fable]

Because it's very difficult to obtain. And often isn't with their BIS weapons.

[broken sphinx]

Cause im saying they dont since its not optimal to run full 100 cr usually

[violet ingot]

or the correct set*

[violet ingot]

light mode aahahhahahahahahshhhh

[broken sphinx]

By gain anymore cr after 80 your cd is gonna plummet very hard

[teal whale]

What

[gilded fable]

Not always. lmao

[violet ingot]

okay chat

[gilded fable]

But also: Who cares? Critting smaller numbers more times is usually more optimal.

[spring knoll]

i mean...yeah...yeah, depends highly on what your flower and feather get on the atk sets, if you NO is better, sure, you can use 4p NO, but generally speaking, you're better of using 2p 2p on shenhe (in most cases)

ah shit, wrong reply, my bad, i meant to answer to @violet ingot

[violet ingot]

https://c.tenor.com/4qXh7UKDEl8AAAAM/good-night-chat.gif

[violet ingot]

:(

[broken sphinx]

Ok so why rnt people focus cr first over cd then, you will usually see people stop around 70 cr

And dont say that its cause of artifacts cause we are saying you have infinite time to keep farming

[spring knoll]

okay THAT doesn't make sense, cuz ppl are ALWAYS focusing cr first and then do what you say in the second part of the sentence lmao

[gilded fable]

Because you have to be reasonable and find a balance. You need to get a character's Atk + CR in order first and foremost.

[spring knoll]

(except ayaka maybe or in general BS users)

[broken sphinx]

Sorry i forgot to mention that u r aiming for 100 cr

[violet ingot]

it's more of wanting 100cr
than aiming for it imo

[spring knoll]

ah, makes more sense now xD

[gilded fable]

This.

[broken sphinx]

No i dont think anyone truly is aiming for 100 cr

[gilded fable]

That was never the question. lmao

[spring knoll]

i'm aiming for as much CR i can get without shitting on other stats
and i think that is true for most players

[broken sphinx]

This was the question from the start 🤦‍♂️

[gilded fable]

smh bro

[violet ingot]

100/240 is better than 70/300
is the point

[gilded fable]

Yes. 100%. Yes.

[broken sphinx]

300 cd is smh super unoptimal

[violet ingot]

not if you have bennett😆

[broken sphinx]

Anything over 250 cd and you would want mainstat unless you have enough mainstat buffs to justify more cd

[gilded fable]

Imagine using Bennett in every comp cuz your builds are trash.

[violet ingot]

5* Bennett when

[gilded fable]

I would say never but we did just get 5* XQ... and she fucks.

[violet ingot]

i think we need a 5* xiangling though

but it'll prolly be the Pyro archon

[spring knoll]

yeah, yelan is insane, she'd easily be the top 1 DPS in the game (if we're talking optimal comp, optimal artifacts and C6 R5 on everyone with the best possible weapon)

[hallow minnow]

[violet ingot]

it's more of what I want than what i need
but hey 2 xiangling's and abyss is never gonna be hard again

[violet ingot]

C6 is insanse hell yea

[broken sphinx]

define optimal stats for yelan

[dusky dust]

elemental dmg bonus is iirc a flat out damage boost so like your overall damage for that element increases by 46%

while atk just adds atk to the overall damage calculation

[spring knoll]

yeah, she's top 3, she pushed itto away from that spot

only reason she's not top one is because ayaka has access to shenhe and raiden has access to sara
if yelan had a hydro buffing equivalent, she'd top both

[dusky dust]

depends on the build but for the most part substats can’t account for that difference

[gilded fable]

Really hard to say. I know a dude with C6/R1 who's build optimized around 100/226?

It's another situation kinda like Ayaka. If you have Aqua for her then an HP Hat could very well be the way to go.

[violet ingot]

for xiao
it's a bit diff
if you run 4pc vermilion then attack will be worse
cuz you will get like 60%+ attack with ur artifact passive
aside from that if you go 2pc attk 2pc anemo your plunges will deal similar dmg
because his burst gives you hella dmg bonus
whereas your e will do less dmg than with an anemo dmg goblet with similar substats
so if you have a very good attack goblet just keep it
it'll be fine

[gilded fable]

My Yelan atm if very similar to my Ayaka. Her HP Hat vs Crit Hat build do effectively the same dmg.

[hallow minnow]

Better than Eula doing 1M?

[broken sphinx]

His hp is lacking, i saw the build

[gilded fable]

And yet. Optimized... is optimized.

[spring knoll]

i said DPS not dmg, damagewise, eula is still unbeatable, but DPS wise, eula isn't up with those 3 (4 if you count the recently pushed itto lmao)

[violet ingot]

damage per screenshot
and damage per second kinda stuff😆

[gilded fable]

Also consider how much C4 adds.

[broken sphinx]

Eula dps not including q is actually very slow

[spring knoll]

nah, i really mean damage per second, like calculated over time

[hallow minnow]

I typically see Xiao and Itto as top DPS, and are including or excluding assistance from other allies like Bennet and Raiden?

[broken sphinx]

Can confirm, atk spd for claymore sucks

[gilded fable]

WHAT. Lmao.

Xiao is super mid at best without C6.

[broken sphinx]

Better using sword or bow

[violet ingot]

i got it
i was just clearing the doubt
cuz of what they said

[gilded fable]

Noelle loves it. C6 Yunjin Moment

[hallow minnow]

Really? Despite being able to do 100k+ per burst?

[violet ingot]

🫂

but it's not very true
though I'd like to assume the same

[gilded fable]

Without C6? Xiao is trash. Plain and simple. 100k Plunges or not. lmao

[broken sphinx]

Thats not what i mean, i mean claymore atk spd just sucks

[gilded fable]

I say this as a triple crowned Xiao haver.

[broken sphinx]

Its so damn slow to auto compared to a sword user, im not talking sbout atk spd buffs

[hallow minnow]

Almost triple crowned.

[spring knoll]

i mean i just said this before tho "we're talking optimal comp, optimal artifacts and C6 R5 on everyone with the best possible weapon"
if you talk about characters by themselves, yelan is the nr 1 dps in the game
dps
very important, not most dmg per hit, but most dmg over time, in most cases, DPS is more valuable than one big hit

[broken sphinx]

What about yoimiya then

[violet ingot]

okay yea fr goodnight

[broken sphinx]

Assume c6r5 yoi, shes also bow user

[spring knoll]

yoimiyas hit accuracy sucks and compared to yelan, doesn't have access to EC, which is insane on yelan

[gilded fable]

I regret it so much. What a fucking waste. Would've rather finished tripling my Ayaka, Raiden, and Yae. Or even just have those 3 crowns for Kazuha instead.

[broken sphinx]

What about vape then

[teal whale]

What is ec

[dusky dust]

engulfing clightning

[broken sphinx]

Elextro charged

[teal whale]

Aaah

[hallow minnow]

@gilded fable I don't. Xiao is just so much fun, same with Zhongli (who is triple crowned).

[spring knoll]

ICD on yoimiya + lack of AoE holds her back

[gilded fable]

This is actually the best Xiao build I ever put together. Lithic Gang. I should redo this now that I have R5.

[violet ingot]

this discussion is so fire i can't even sleep

[broken sphinx]

Why not just rate my yelan and tell me how far from optimal i am then

[gilded fable]

[teal whale]

Fuck meta, embrace stun klee

[violet ingot]

okay now what is that?

[outer lynx]

[teal whale]

Stun klee? Overload

[spring knoll]

cuz optimal is unachievable, you'd need every. single. artifact. to be perfect

and by perfect i mean mathwise every stat as close as it can be until DR, as well as balance overall

[violet ingot]

ah i see

[gilded fable]

[broken sphinx]

Remember my ayaka from yesterday?

[outer lynx]

I dont want to

[gilded fable]

Optimal is always achievable. It's about working with what you've got.

[teal whale]

Klee has the most value to throw oponents, add that to overload and you have that the enemies can't get up

[dusky dust]

wasnt there a tool online that says what % of the character's max potential you've reached based on your artifacts

[broken sphinx]

Why not 👁️

[outer lynx]

[spring knoll]

no by optimal, i really mean optimal, not "best what i have" but literally "best that's mathematically achievable"

[teal whale]

Only ussefull against big mobs

[spring knoll]

and to get 5 artifacts that are quite literally perfect (respective per character), is quite impossible

[gilded fable]

Oh you mean like 100% MinMaxed unrealistic. Gotcha.

[broken sphinx]

Ok lets talk about achieveable optimal

[spring knoll]

yeah yeah

[broken sphinx]

Cause no shit i dont mean the theoritcal max

[spring knoll]

no thx, neither i nor the others have done the maths on that and that's also heavily dependant on your personal account

[violet ingot]

well technically then you just gotta have insane luck then
and make sure the 5% base that every char gets is enough to make sure you crit everytime and go like all out on everything else

it is rng afterall lol

[spring knoll]

that's not optimal tho

[dusky dust]

but even then it's not optimal cuz over time you lose out on dps

[broken sphinx]

When i mean optimal i mean up to like 90-95% maximum

[violet ingot]

wait how
if you have great luck you won't miss crits
||i thought we were going unrealistic||
💀

[spring knoll]

you're not doing the maths topdog, if we were to use 5% we'd use a 1 minute simulation and 5% of the attacks would crit, which is far from good nor optimal

[hallow minnow]

100/220 is probably the best I'll manage, if I'm insanely lucky I'll manage 100/240 on Xiao.

[violet ingot]

ahh we are only going partially unrealistic
i get it

[teal whale]

85/165 is my best

[violet ingot]

i thought we were making shit up LOL

[dusky dust]

i mean it is still theoretical

[violet ingot]

100/220 is muc better than

[hallow minnow]

Realistic within reason. Xiao with 100/2000 would beat everyone, but is not attainable lol

[violet ingot]

this ratio^^

[spring knoll]

nah it's still unrealistic, cuz if you're looking at artifact stats, the distribution of CV on the first 4 is about 54,6, might be 54,5 given that CD 7,8 isn't 7,8, but 7,77 something iirc

[violet ingot]

yea it's weird decimal stuff

even em is in decimals
like why even bother 🙂

[gilded fable]

I love how this discussion is centered on CV when that's not even the most important thing. 100/300 Xiao aint shit with 1800 atk.

[hallow minnow]

Currently I have 100/160 lmao, but when I get staff of Homa I'll be sitting at 85/220, and I'll need a new goblet with anemo and crit rate, hopefully I'll get crit damage on it too.

[violet ingot]

i hope you get what you want

[broken sphinx]

Cv is such a meme cause the shit is a joke past a certain point

[hallow minnow]

Yeah.

[broken sphinx]

Like i could careless than you have 300 cd with next to no atk

[violet ingot]

yes in theory you could crit everytime even with just 5%

[dusky dust]

cv on characters is awful but i use cv on artifacts a lot

[hallow minnow]

Hence why having an attack stat, elemental stat, and crit rate is good for Xiao.

[gilded fable]

Go say that in Unofficial and prepare to be crucified. lmao

[broken sphinx]

Go say that in maincord

[dusky dust]

but that's still not the character's overall damage potential

[gilded fable]

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-in-eric-andre-wanna-come-in-gif-13730108

[dusky dust]

if we're talking about build optimization then cr has to be very high

[violet ingot]

optimization hmmm

[gilded fable]

From what I've found, most DPS characters hit diminishing returns between 70 and 80% CR.

However, that doesn't mean that those diminished returns... still aren't the best returns you can get.

[violet ingot]

explain

[broken sphinx]

You can just get more cd

[gilded fable]

Just run the math. Seriously.

Genshin Optimizer exists.

[dusky dust]

isn't 100/200 better than 75/250 though? same cv but more consistency

[hallow minnow]

Just use this equation:
(1 - cr) + cr * (1 + cd)

[gilded fable]

Pretty much, yeah.

[spring knoll]

optimization takes into account what the character scales with, how far you can go with that or should go with that and doing different value comparisons (damage wise) is needed as well as cooldowns etc, there's much more than CV or atk or scaling value etc to it than just simple maths

[broken sphinx]

Yes its better for consistency but i really dont find it necessary to get 100 cr

[gilded fable]

https://frzyc.github.io/genshin-optimizer/#/

[dusky dust]

oh yeah this is the website i was talking about

[gilded fable]

With a few exceptions, their math is usually right.

[dusky dust]

is it just me or has the site been down for months

[broken sphinx]

Dont forget abyss gives 8%

[dusky dust]

theoretical max damage assuming you crit exactly how often your cr says you should

[spring knoll]

depends, if hyper carry, yes
if main carry, no
if sub carry, no
you want to crit MOST of the time or in general have the highest damage output per onscreentime with that character, so if you use DPS zhongli (for example) and use his burst to do big dmg, and he doesn't crit because you run 50/150 compared to 70/120, you're better of with the more consistent one over time
but if it's for short battles, which is most of the time the case, you're good with a 50% chance cuz who cares if you crit with zhongli lmao, his dmg is neglegable due to his already long ult animation lmaooo

[gilded fable]

It's been useless for months because of some of the exclusions they had. Like Shenhe and Yunjin. Who are now on the site.

I wonder if they've fixed the CD buffing issue yet or not.

[broken sphinx]

I think my current yelan build is pretty good but i want a better cup mainly

[violet ingot]

that's not what I'm saying

though that's not how math works
there is a probability that you will crit every single time time even with just 5% cr

[dusky dust]

yeah but then that build is really poorly optimized cuz when you actually use that character they'll never crit

[broken sphinx]

I wanted some of you critics to rate my build and tell me what i should improve on but if people dont care then id rather do it via dms

[dusky dust]

kanary i think we're talking about different things lol

[dusky dust]

im sorry but i dont think any of us have time for that

[broken sphinx]

I did some calcs myself so i have a idea what i want to fix but maybe ppl have different thoughts

[violet ingot]

nCr(5/100)^r(95/100)^n-r
to be exact

where N is the total number of times your char hit
and r is the times it actually crit

[gilded fable]

Use the Optimizer (assuming she's on the site already, anyway).

[broken sphinx]

I already use that shit

[violet ingot]

yea definitely
I'm not saying it's practical

I'm saying it's possible
lol

[gilded fable]

Then wtf you askin' for optimization tips for?

[broken sphinx]

Pretty sure i want more hp and maybe cd

[gilded fable]

HERE LEMME DO THE MATH BETTER THAN A COMPUTER

[broken sphinx]

Cause i want a second opinion cause it could go both ways

[gilded fable]

Math doesn't have opinions.

[violet ingot]

which is very very less

[broken sphinx]

The optimizer doesnt count for er

[gilded fable]

You can tell it to and then optimize from a minimum ER value.

[violet ingot]

and that's what theorizing is all about

[gilded fable]

Learn to use the tools at hand. Rather than ask people to do it for you.

[dusky dust]

but that's an unrealistic unrealistic theoretical calculation

[violet ingot]

YES.😆

[ancient panther]

[nova yacht]

I have 24 4 star characters

21 are all c6, 3 that aren’t are gorou (c2), Kaeya (c3) and Lisa (c0)

😎

[vague dove]

just got an 42 cv em main stat goblet^^

[drowsy rock]

mine only 36 </3

[vague dove]

still nice

me sands got 38.8 cv

[gilded fable]

Imagine having a VV EM Sand.

[hallow minnow]

Imagine enjoying the game the way you want to

[drowsy rock]

my pretty em sands. decent off piece

[gilded fable]

No like... I wish I had one.

[hallow minnow]

[gilded fable]

I would kill for that sand lol.

[cedar ocean]

Theres no way you arent a dolphin

[gilded fable]

COULDN'T USE IT CUZ I DON'T HAVE AN EM SAND.

[indigo orbit]

42 pity 0/2 epitome yelans weapon

[indigo orbit]

ive only bought one of each of the genesis crystal packs, aside from that its just welkins and bps :)

its really just luck/unluckiness because all i want is Lost prayers for klee💀💀

[cedar ocean]

dat still a lot of money if u accumulate over time Im assuming youre a veteran

[indigo orbit]

i swear hoyoverse is laughing at me everytime i dont get lost prayers

[cedar ocean]

if i got lost prayers im pretty sure id cry lmfao

[indigo orbit]

ive been playing since Klee's first banner and ive bought all the bps except the first one

[indigo orbit]

its the ONE WEAPON i want but nooo i get every good weapon that i dont want

[hallow minnow]

Knowing my luck I'd go for Staff of Homa and either end up with two of them or just end up with two bows (I don't use bows).

[indigo orbit]

lemme pull my recent pity counts from paimon.moe (i really am not a dolphin)

[gilded fable]

Just use a rate hat and Widsith R5.

[indigo orbit]

lmaooo

[vague dove]

mine er pieces

[copper mason]

uhh which one's better?

[cedar ocean]

homa arguably best weapon in game but u needa whale to get it

[indigo orbit]

i have a crit dmg cwof hates with 13.6cr and i hvent gotten a single cr hat with cd substat on cwof

[hallow minnow]

Like my luck is one way or the other, like yesterday I got three good artifacts for Xiao.

[cedar ocean]

o.0

whats the cv of them

[undone isle]

I suggest getting more crit rate, at least 70% because if u dont crit on that ult...

[hallow minnow]

Can't post, but Xia is 2.5k attack and 100/160.

[cedar ocean]

thats too much crit rate

[hallow minnow]

Nonsense, it's perfect for what I want

[feral depot]

I have nothing to flex ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ

[cedar ocean]

theres a certain extent where crit rate is too much

[hallow minnow]

I just hate having less than 100, even if it is less optimal. Big numbers are nice, I hate seeing the small with the large ones.

[gilded fable]

Plenty of characters will optimize at 100% if your CD subs are high enough to warrant it. On Xiao of all characters 100% is justifiable.

[cedar ocean]

hm but is 100-160 good on xiao tho

[indigo orbit]

on 2pc 2pc i had 2.2k atk 97cr 215cd (r5 deathmatch)

[cedar ocean]

ok dat pretty nice but that mustve cost a lot of money

[gilded fable]

Yes.

[hallow minnow]

Niiiiiice.

[cedar ocean]

:l

[indigo orbit]

my shitty 4pc vermillion with jade spear is outperforming it though...and its honestly not alot of money cos its $15 every 45 days which is 30¢ a day ish

[gilded fable]

I should really update this now that I have R5 Litchic.

[cedar ocean]

I run 84-210 with jade

[copper mason]

ikr but idk where to get the crit rate from tbh- cause she is on a crit rate hat and i dont think theres any crit rate claymores

[cedar ocean]

i swapped some artifacts

[gilded fable]

I run what the math for optimal DPS tells me to run.

[indigo orbit]

@cedar ocean

[cedar ocean]

Your pity is actually disgusting never got an early except xiao

[indigo orbit]

therefore not dolphin🙂

[cedar ocean]

Should make an alt lmfao

[indigo orbit]

i got qiqi from the noelle banner and klee at 7 pity at ar7 in november 2020

[cedar ocean]

wat website is that

[indigo orbit]

shortly after i lost 5050 to mona, proceeded to get childe at 3 pity right after, then i lost to diluc and got albedo at 7 pity that was all 2020

[indigo orbit]

paimon.moe (slowmode is annoying btw)

[cedar ocean]

How to check your account pity

[indigo orbit]

go to wish counter there's instructions there, basically you have to click your wish history ingame, when you are on the wish history page, turn off your wifi/mobile data and click the refresh button at the top right, which will cause an error page. on this error page there will be a link, copy it and paste it into the import system on paimon.moe wish counter and it will show all your pity counts even for 4 stars

[cedar ocean]

Nah it says I have to download steam

[indigo orbit]

oh I'm on mobile haha

anyway i gotta sleep its 512am goodnight @cedar ocean

[cedar ocean]

wait wot lmfao gn but why u awake..

[indigo orbit]

cos i dont have to wake up until 12 noon :D

i usually do my daily commissions then sleep

[gilded fable]

Imagine sleeping.