Do you guys consider Shiver to be nonbinary

[finite crypt]

thank you! this is what i was saying

[night harbor]

BEING LGBT ISNT A GROSS THING!!!! ITS NOT GROSS FOR CHILDREN

yes and lgbt people can show affection!!

[snow escarp]

BUT YOU STILL SHOULD HAVE TO COMPLETELY TRANSLATE A GAME FROM ANOTHER LANGUAGE YOURSELF TO KNOW THAT A CHARACETR IN NONBINARY BECASUE THAT IS WHAT THE ENGLISH TRANSLATION IS FOR, YOU ARE JUST MESSING UP THE TRANSLATION

[night harbor]

OH GOD NOT THIS GUY AGAIN

[real kraken]

HES HERE

[wintry canyon]

Great, so lgbt peeps should be allowed to show lgbt affection without being sexualized.

[night harbor]

LETS GO HE'S BACk

[real kraken]

Yes

[night harbor]

oh god they are growing in numbers

[night harbor]

IM SAYING IN AN IMAGINARY WORLD WHERE SHIVER IS FUCKING NB

[nimble plover]

The literal homophobia and transphobia is so blatant

[night harbor]

I WASN'T HERE LAST TIME BUT THANK YOU

[snow escarp]

mb mb

[night harbor]

LITERALLY SO SICKENING

[night harbor]

THANK YOU

[snow escarp]

WAIT

[night harbor]

oh my god what

let us live and breathe DAMN

[snow escarp]

YOU JSUT SAID THAT THEY ARENT NB AND THAT THEY WOULD BE IN ANOTHER WORLD

[night harbor]

ok you’re gonna say some dumb shit

[snow escarp]

L

[night harbor]

he literally didnt say that

man i really wanna go to bed

are you atupid

stupid

[night harbor]

HUH?????

my fucking god

[night harbor]

"he literally didnt say that"

[placid cedar]

Lol

[wintry canyon]

.......

[night harbor]

maybe kobeni read the message wrong god damn

im sleepy

im going to sleep here tonight

zzzzz

Oi

headcannoning shiver as nonbinary doesnt mean he said shiver "actually isnt nonbinary" shiver isnt canonically any gender

show me your sources

[wintry canyon]

English speakers cannot grasp the true shape of shiver's canincal gender because English localization is shit

[night harbor]

AGAIN????

fr

💀

i appreciate you auto

they be like hold on let me move my bangs and read that again

same auto ur metal

👀🍿

[nimble plover]

Me rn too lol

[night harbor]

my brain is fried after all of this nonsense

[nimble plover]

Same

[night harbor]

same

gays/trans cant have shit in detroit

[snow escarp]

damn

[night harbor]

you can't have anything in detroit

[snow escarp]

that suck

[nimble plover]

When i read the first bit of this thread i was literally like “wtf is up with the obvious transphobia “

[snow escarp]

i would move out of detroit then

[placid cedar]

I wonder why the mods didn't close this thread yet

[finite crypt]

no one can

[night harbor]

Fr

laika out of everyone saying shiver is nb I respect you the most because you understand that you see shiver as nb, and you aren't saying it's fact or giving information that can't be backed up

now

because i live here

[night harbor]

yes and they have spent this whole time trying to backtrack and defend themselves

kobeni

[real kraken]

I’m not even gonna comment on this stuff anymore this is honestly crazy. I respect your opinions and all but the way you’ve been insulting me and labeling me has left a bad impression on me. Once again I state my only opinion. You can use splatoon as a platform for your community, but I feel as if there is better places to do so, I accept your opinions and support you all. That is all. But the way you’ve been talking to me has left a toxic representation of what you’ve been arguing for, at least from my view. So once again, I support you but we obviously have different opinions, which is okay. So have a good one

[snow escarp]

😮

[night harbor]

ayo watch yo mouth right there

[night harbor]

you say you agree with us but your first messages earlier this convo where blatantly against lgbt

[night harbor]

I just want to know where you got your information, if it's true I'm on your side, if not I want you to admit you were wrong about something

[night harbor]

backtrack

auto said facts

you can still see shiver as nb but I don't want you to give us incorrect information

[night harbor]

you say this but this whole time youve been argueing and trying to cause problems

auto told you our reasonings

[night harbor]

I don't know what happened to you, but have a good day❤

everyone please stfu for one second

[nimble plover]

[night harbor]

[night harbor]

Discord drama🍿

I want you to stop avoiding questions, and I want firm evidence before I leave

💀

WE ARENT AVOIDING WE ARE TIRED GAH DAM

[nimble plover]

Yeah its like 12 am for me

[real kraken]

Last one, please just learn other people have different outlooks and to respect them, I did that for you and tried to understand you view point. But it seems you didn’t. Take care

[night harbor]

me too

it's 11:30pm for me

[night harbor]

Same

[night harbor]

ur in love with us

BSNSNSNDND

What even happened here? this my first time on loreum lol

[placid cedar]

I was sleepy but this wake me up

[night harbor]

i agree to hear out others outlooks unless they are homophobic or transphobic. i wouldve heard you out if you didnt come in this thread being blatantly anti lgbt

[placid cedar]

Midnight show

[nimble plover]

Homophobia and transphobia isnt “a different outlook” it’s unnecessary hatred

[placid cedar]

And you guys are the show

[night harbor]

kobeni, I want you to answer the question

[night harbor]

Lmao

[wintry canyon]

I am biking home from work, gimme time to get home and I'll re-find sources for everything, and then put it into a tag so I can just bot respond to people demanding proof.

[night harbor]

leave me alone im sick of you

AUTO ILY

[night harbor]

i second this, thank you i am exhausted

I just want a SINGLE source saying that shiver does not canonically have a set gender

[snow escarp]

ill be waiting

[night harbor]

saying it and not following up is not evidence

bro where tf were u guys 20 minutes ago

[nimble plover]

Or, hear me out, you can head canon them as any gender you want

[night harbor]

we said everything

[nimble plover]

[night harbor]

ze I agree with you

I just want 1 last thing

[placid cedar]

Shiver is a helicopter

[night harbor]

we shouldnt have to give you evidence for our headcannon but auto is too nice

oh come on

[night harbor]

jesus christ you’re unlikeable

[raw basin]

caboose made the onejoke

[night harbor]

that is transphonic

[placid cedar]

Lol

[night harbor]

Lol

[nimble plover]

Thats á transphobic joke my dude…

[placid cedar]

I am?

[night harbor]

you are

yes you are

[night harbor]

HOLY SHIT IF YOU'RE SAYING THIS YOU CAN'T SAY SHIVER IS NB

STAY ON ONE SIDE

WHAT ARE U TALKING ABOUT

[placid cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/eh-meh-jim-jim-halpert-the-office-gif-25317293

[night harbor]

😭 what

the stupid attack helicopter jokes are transphobic

wtf😭

you keep saying it's headcanon, but then you're saying it's fact

pick one

not both

boy what

[nimble plover]

What?.

[night harbor]

Is this about headcannons or official stuff?

[nimble plover]

I assume headcanons

[finite crypt]

how?

[night harbor]

I don't fucking know anymore, they keep switching

[snow escarp]

who agrees👆like if agree

[nimble plover]

The joke was to make fun of trans ppl

[placid cedar]

Well it headcanon why you all so work up

[night harbor]

kobeni do you accept that it's headcannon and that it isn't fact

[wintry canyon]

There is fact that leaves it open for interpretation, but no official word-of-dev confirmation on how it's supposed to be interpreted

[night harbor]

it's a yes or no question

[night harbor]

Fr, if it's not official it doesn't matter lmao

[placid cedar]

Exactly

[night harbor]

is anyone saying it isn't headcannon?

if you are please explain

kobeni always said it’s a headcanon they state it many times

but we tend to treat them as canonly nb bc it’s our headcanon

[snow escarp]

like if you think headcannon

[night harbor]

shiver being nonbinary is a headcannon but i will tell people shiver isnt female because she isnt! just because she isnt comfirmed non-binary doesnt mean she was confirmed female and auto said they will show our evidence im tired

exactly

also i said transphonic earliee i meant transphobic im sorry

earlier

we r so tired

[finite crypt]

r/ihadastroke

[placid cedar]

Lol

[night harbor]

Lmao

[placid cedar]

Shiver no she neither nb that what is it

It need to be something

[proud storm]

OH MY FUCKING GOD, THIS THREAD IS STILL ALIVE?

[placid cedar]

Yep

Welcome to the show

[night harbor]

I consider Shiver a woman lol

[raw basin]

well someone necro’d it

[proud storm]

I consider Shiver attractive

[raw basin]

just to say “ok”

[night harbor]

Yup

💀

[finite crypt]

yes

[night harbor]

[raw basin]

and then some chucklefucks saw it and decided to give their “opinions” to put it lightly

[night harbor]

kobeni I want 1 link saying shiver doesn't canonically have a gender

[night harbor]

Understandable

or literally anyone

[night harbor]

LEAVE THEM ALONESTFU

[real kraken]

We like older women😏

[placid cedar]

Lol

It time to find what shiver is

[proud storm]

you guys realize this thread has over 2k messages

[night harbor]

good

I want to know where you found your information

vale ive told you to leave me alone, it is late as hell and i dont owe you anything i dont have to find any links for you

[night harbor]

Shiver is a shark

then why do you keep responding?

[finite crypt]

why argue if you have no proof

[real kraken]

I’m not even gonna comment on anything anymore this has just gotten out of hand lol

[placid cedar]

Are you sure? It look a whale for me

[proud storm]

proof to me that Shiver is ||a wiper main||.

[night harbor]

and why do you keep saying shiver doesn't have a specific gender with no proof?

[night harbor]

Stop talking here or just don't respond if you're done with this lol

[finite crypt]

i literlly made a joke and it started this

wtf lol

[real kraken]

Awesome sauce

[night harbor]

Could be both

[placid cedar]

You just poke the beehive dude

[raw basin]

well vale question do you have any proof shiver has a confirmed gender? burden of proof is on you as well

[real kraken]

I’ve kinda just given up on any actual debate I’m just watching this at this point

[snow escarp]

<@&751152002796355605>

[night harbor]

Good question

[night harbor]

you’ve told us 4 times we don’t care

[sour shuttle]

I just want to sleep bruh, why did you just ping only mods

[wintry canyon]

(oops, didn't mean that as a reply) Going over the facts AGAIN for vale

1. In the original Japanese and some other langauges, Shiver is not referred to using inherently gendered language
2. The one guy that was interviewed for the confirmation that she is cis has been known to intentionally censor lgbt content in previous games. And also it's unclear if he actually worked on splatoon 3? (I don't think he's in the credits)
3. Shiver's wearing what looks like a binder to reduce chest size, but there's also other cultural clothing that appears similar.

[placid cedar]

I got an evidence that shiver is fictional ans gender doesn't matter

[night harbor]

Drama ig

[distant marsh]

Poor Shane, fella only wants to sleep, and we got people pinging mods.

[night harbor]

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2022/08/nintendo-confirms-that-splatoon-3s-shiver-identifies-as-female#:~:text=However%2C Nintendo has now confirmed,development and publishing%2C Nate Bihldorff

https://mynintendonews.com/2022/08/24/nintendo-confirms-shiver-in-splatoon-3-isnt-non-binary/

https://boundingintocomics.com/2022/08/30/nintendo-responds-to-media-speculation-that-splatoon-3-newcomer-shiver-is-non-binary-by-confirming-she-identifies-as-female/

[proud storm]

bruh, we even got the mods involved

[real kraken]

WHAT DID YOU DO???

[night harbor]

IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT

[nimble plover]

Oh dang yall got the admins awake 😭😭

[proud storm]

WELP, time to cross my legs and pull out the 🍿

[placid cedar]

Nil don't care about that cause is nintendo of america

[finite crypt]

hay can we uhhh... close this tread its getting out of hand

[real kraken]

Ayo can we close this forum shit has gotten out of hand

[night harbor]

wow, how happy you guys are to have ruined something else for trans people :)

[wintry canyon]

This is from an interview from a guy THAT ISN'T IN THE CREDITS FOR SPLATOON 3

[night harbor]

Lmao

[nimble plover]

OMG THERES A TIME OUT

[proud storm]

yep, there's no way this issue isn't getting out of hand, with mods front and center

[night harbor]

america nintendo did not create splatoon. and the person who "comfirmed" shiver is female is known for being anti lgbt and surpressing lgbt

[real kraken]

[wintry canyon]

The "Nintendo Executive" in question did not work on splatoon 3

[placid cedar]

There you go

[night harbor]

fuck yall

[night harbor]

Where?

[raw basin]

fun fact all three of those articles reference the same verge article

[distant marsh]

1: Dinner first.
2: Hostility is going to get us nowhere.

[night harbor]

it doesn't matter if you try to discredit anything, if you provide a single credible source saying shiver doesn't have a specificied gender or that shiver is nb, I'll accept it