This is #📚wiki-discussion, not #off-topic
#📚wiki-discussion
rigid jacinth
onyx river
Are you on an iOS device?
tribal gate
onyx river
Interesting, you should just be able to press play
onyx river
It may be because the .ogg files are a bit broken on fandom
little wolf
Quick question
Why is this recipe showing here even though on the wiki it isn’t labeled to have magnetite in it
little wolf
Alright no problem
dreamy holly
Yeah thats the old recipe
warm hound
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shrewd wadi
nice
lusty hearth
🤔
onyx river
Who?
lusty hearth
IAmBob
onyx river
sigh
lusty hearth
I'm undoing them right now.
warm hound
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warm hound
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ivory steppe
Trivia: I am not.
onyx river
rip recent changes
onyx river
really -_-
lusty hearth
onyx river
i already undid it but if it keeps going we may need to get the page temp locked
ivory steppe
Tell them to press F1 and check the biome ID.
Pretty sure it says East and West Arctic.
lusty hearth
onyx river
^this
ivory steppe
Ah.
lusty hearth
Pretty sure the koosh zone had something to do with copyright hence its current page name.
onyx river
yeah, some toy i think
onyx river
it is?
onyx river
this guy
lusty hearth
The area where the biome was is filled with terrain. Even then it was about as featureless as the tundra void.
There's no point in creating a page for it.
onyx river
sigh time to undo it
rigid jacinth
I undid it
rigid jacinth
As do I
lusty hearth
onyx river
lusty hearth
https://subnautica-belowzero.fandom.com/wiki/Ice_Sheet. Well, looks like there's a page to delete.
ivory steppe
Is that a period after Ice Sheet?
onyx river
Mhm
lusty hearth
Yes, also it's obvious they spliced half the information from the Fabricator Caverns page.
onyx river
dreamy holly
I missed somthing lol
waxen token
proper needle
Not sure if this is supposed to look like this, but it seems a bit weird. https://subnautica.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Sound_Files
rigid jacinth
Not sure if this is supposed to look like this, but it seems a bit _weird_. http...
Doesn't look right
onyx river
-_-
Fandom is having some sound file problems at the moment though it’s been like this for months
I don’t think I can directly change category pages anyways so shrug
cinder kestrel
I don’t think I can directly change category pages anyways
Change--in what way?
If I do this:
@cinder kestrel You want to go through https://subnautica.fandom.com/wiki/Special:ListDuplicatedFiles?limit=347 later just because.
I'll probably forget about it. Oh, well.
onyx river
A lot of it yes
untold crane
also who chose them?
onyx river
¯_(ツ)_/¯
A lot of the, correlate to their page, so the peeper one is on the peeper page
lusty hearth
I haven't checked on this page for a while, should I remove this chunk of text?
It looks very excessive.
onyx river
The top chunk?
lusty hearth
That and parts of the bottom chunk.
onyx river
Yeah, I’m not sure about that last sentence, and I don’t know how accurate the first paragraph is
lusty hearth
I'm also considering adding a Water Void tabber, since there's been some confusion regarding Void Chelicerates spawning in the World Edge.
onyx river
cough slicey cough that makes sense but I’m not sure how much info there really is about it
lusty hearth
There really isn't that much info, which is why I didn't create one in the first place.
onyx river
Maybe just create a separate paragraph talking about the difference?
lusty hearth
Mm, perhaps.
lusty hearth
How's this.
onyx river
“Three Void Chelicerate Leviathans that inhabit the area” is off
onyx river
Looks good 👍
lusty hearth
onyx river
@ivory steppe are you happy now?
ivory steppe
🤔 I was happy with it before... But this is fine.
heady gulch
Make that smile 300%
onyx river
erm, what
rigid jacinth
lusty hearth
Their edits were questionable. 
onyx river
I-
cursive vigil
every day something weird happens on the wiki
ivory steppe
Make that smile 300%
😁
rich flare
Not a suggestion nor report but i think the people working on the wiki are doing fantastic, thank you for using your time to work on it 
onyx river
Stib has left us 
cinder kestrel
Because he is no longer the wiki manager, we can't say, "Sitb, this user needs a global block and in the meantime we need you to enable this for us"; we should instead say, "SlyCooperFan1, this user needs a global block and in the meantime we need you to enable this for us"--because SlyCooperFan1 is the new wiki representative (Wiki Manager was renamed to Wiki Representative).
rigid jacinth
Wait why is Sitb gone???
cinder kestrel
Since, as far as I am aware, his main reason for being on the wiki was to be a Wiki Manager, you won't be seeing much of him anymore. If you can get him addicted to Subnautica and deeply interested in contributing to the wikis, then I'm sure he will stay as an editor the same way the rest of the Wiki Keepers are editors, but otherwise, he's gone from editing on the community.
cinder kestrel
Don't worry: you'll have a new user to fall in love (or "fall in love") with.
rigid jacinth
Did Sitb leave?
cinder kestrel
If you really want to talk to him, you can do a little
@neon mesa
action. You can also talk to him on his message on any wiki (just try not to use a completely random wiki that neither of you have seen before).
rigid jacinth
cries in no mutual servers
cinder kestrel
Ah.
@molten tree is our new Wiki Representative; as I said above, "this user needs a global block and in the meantime we need you to enable this for us" are some of the things you might say to him.
You can also say other things, too. For example, I might say, "Hey, I recognize you from Community Council."
Once Donya | Community Manager gets Wiki-Bot added to this server (or once the moderators decide to help you directly), you can get the Wiki Keepers role.
cinder kestrel
He joined the server several minutes ago; I hope he hasn't fallen asleep in that time.
molten tree
I'm here! 10-minute timer bot was just a little slow
rigid jacinth
I completely forgot that timer
molten tree
Hi everyone :D Indeed, I have been reassigned to support both Subnautica wikis. I'm a big fan of the original game and I'm looking forward to the full release of Below Zero. Like SLScool said, if you have any questions at all regarding the wikis, feel free to reach out!
sudden dove
Once *Donya | Community Manager* gets Wiki-Bot added to this server (or once the...
Got em @molten tree
cinder kestrel
Eventually, Wiki Keepers will be slightly more powerful than others, but for now, the difference is purely cosmetic--and psychological.
sudden dove
If anyone else needs the role just let me know, guys.
cinder kestrel
One of the jobs of the new bot is to destroy one of your jobs.
But until then, I guess it can't destroy your job.
sudden dove
cinder kestrel
Getting the bot has been in Donya's to-do list for 13 days.
Not that I'm counting or anything . . .
onyx river
cinder kestrel
(I'm not: I looked at when she said she put it in her list of DMs to get back to and subtracted that date from today)
Definitely not counting.
I am, however, counting some stuff for the wiki.
onyx river
:o
sudden dove
Things are insane right now with the BZ release on the horizon.
rigid jacinth
Can't wait for that
eternal orchid
Things are insane right now with the BZ release on the horizon.
do you like to eat tuna?
sudden dove
Nope
eternal orchid
ok
molten tree
Out of curiosity, why are there two different wikis? Has there been any consideration in combining the wikis?
ivory steppe
I'm sorry what?
onyx river
There are 2 wikis, the sn wiki and the bz wiki
molten tree
Most wikis don't do this, so I'm wondering what the reasoning was and whether that's still applicable.
This isn't something I'm asking about as a sudden, "I'm about to push a big red button" thing, it's mostly my personal curiosity, though I'm sure it would be beneficial for both readers and search engines to have a single wiki to browse through instead of two.
silver tulip
They're for seperate games
molten tree
That much I understand xD
onyx river
They're for seperate games
Yeah, but if you look at Wookieepedia for example it’s encompasses pretty much the entire Star Wars universe
molten tree
Thankfully Subnautica is nowhere near as complicated as Star Wars :P
rigid jacinth
Thank god
onyx river
O.o that would not be fun
molten tree
A better example is something like the Call of Duty Wiki, they handle all of the Call of Duty games in a single wiki. Shared characters have a single page.
rigid jacinth
Imagine having to have 30 different materials just to make a seamoth
That truly would be terrible
molten tree
The way we're doing it, we have for example two pages on Marguerit, https://subnautica.fandom.com/wiki/Marguerit_Maida and https://subnautica-belowzero.fandom.com/wiki/Marguerit_Maida
rigid jacinth
He has a point
molten tree
The mere fact that they exist means they're both fighting each other on Google to be the top page on Marguerit, so they steal views from each other
rigid jacinth
Perhaps the wikis should be at least partially integrated into each other?
Oh wait
There are cross-wiki links on most of the related pages
molten tree
Yeah and that's... honestly not good IMO
users shouldn't be put on a wild goose chase
onyx river
he makes a good point
molten tree
It's just something I wanted to clarify and, if it's something to change, get the gears to start turning. Again I'm not talking about this for a sudden change like, 
tomorrow only one wiki stands, nothing sudden out of nowhere like that. Just something that's been bugging me as a fan.
onyx river
cough @agile spindle I’ll summon you since I know you were around for the creation of the bz wiki
agile spindle
When below zero was announced there weren't that many active admins and the person in charge at the time made the decision to have two wikis
I tried to get people to merge the wikis a year or two ago but I was overruled
rigid jacinth
🟠
Wait who can overrule the bureucrat? 
agile spindle
well it was majority rule
rigid jacinth
🟠
Wait who can overrule the bureucrat? <:whatthe:618135243039178753>
I spelled that wrong
agile spindle
I don't know where the current community lies on the debate right now but I don't think there's enough editors to make such a change atm
rigid jacinth
Hmm, I don't have a life, so I could help if we ever want to get the movement going
Since the https://subnautica.fandom.com/wiki/Marguerit_Maida page was mentioned
Isn't there a rule against swEaRInG
Perhaps should the in-game quotes be censored?
agile spindle
no
rigid jacinth
Ok
onyx river
We would have maybe 7 or 8 people who are willing to help
rigid jacinth
Can anyone confirm that you can shoot a lava larvae through the wall of a cyclops with a propulsion cannon?
Because I tested it and it's not working for me
cursive vigil
don't you mean the repulsion cannon?
rigid jacinth
Nope, the edit said "propulsion"
cinder kestrel
The edit said propulsion cannon, did it no--and it did.
rigid jacinth
What
rigid jacinth
Can anyone confirm that you can shoot a lava larvae through the wall of a cyclop...
Plus it should go in trivia to begin with yes?
cinder kestrel
I don't think there's enough editors to make such a change atm
That does beg the question of what exactly the change would look like.
rigid jacinth
Probably putting notices on articles that say "This information only pertains to Subnautica: Below Zero" or smth
And then moving and merging pages
And possibly also adding a Below Zero section
agile spindle
Plus it should go in trivia to begin with yes?
sounds like a bug to me
rigid jacinth
Would I put it in a bugs section then?
But still can anyone confirm it?
cinder kestrel
Preferably check both cannons unless we're already sure about one of them.
molten tree
I don't know where the current community lies on the debate right now but I don'...
I'm the new Wiki Representative for both wikis--it's my job to help out in situations just like these
onyx river
I think the biggest problem would be getting enough editors who know how to properly use templates, etc.
cinder kestrel
You also seem like the user with the most experience on other wikis.
Do you have any prior knowledge/experience/guesses/thoughts/whatever on how much effort it would take to merge two wikis? [Based on what happened over the next two minutes, I assume that's a yes.]
molten tree
If the templates on the two wikis are as similar as they appear, that shouldn't be a problem.
onyx river
I more meant knowing how to use wiki text and stuff
cinder kestrel
If the templates on the two wikis are as similar as they appear
They should be.
rigid jacinth
I think the biggest problem would be getting enough editors who know how to prop...
I have a basic to intermediate understanding of it
Perhaps we should have a discussions post?
Or a Google Form?
onyx river
maybe ¯_(ツ)_/¯
molten tree
No no, there's no need for that
onyx river
We would have to actually come to a decision first
molten tree
Again, it's my job to help with things like this. There's no need for you guys to make a call to editors or anything, it's not as drastic as you're thinking
rigid jacinth
We would have to actually come to a decision first
That will be the biggest problem
molten tree
You also seem like the user with the most experience on other wikis.
Do you hav...
It really depends. In this situation, what I would do is go through Special:AllPages and compare pages that are on the exact same subject--same creature, same character, etc. Then I'd combine the contents of the pages to make a cohesive page that covers both games.
For pages that only exist on one wiki, there's an export tool we can use that copies over a page's edit history and contributions.
Really it's more about merging information than merging code. When one wiki covers both games, I would go into the backend and close the second wiki and redirect its URL.
molten tree
You don't need to do that right now. Again I'm just discussing, not really putting a plan together
onyx river
Interesting, I forgot fandom had page comparison tools
cinder kestrel
274 exclusive to Subnautica, 239 in common, and 338 exclusive to Below Zero.
I was slightly bored over the past four minutes.
rigid jacinth
SLS is fast
molten tree
@onyx river is correct, anything that would be done would require consensus from the active users on both wikis.
cinder kestrel
I forgot fandom had page comparison tools
Nah, I used a feature with AutoWikiBrowser.
onyx river
Oh -_-
agile spindle
Well we can individually ask active users on their opinion
molten tree
I can't use that as evidence of consensus
onyx river
What can you use?
molten tree
It would have to be like a big announcement post
I've done this before, if it's something we end up doing you can let me handle it
rigid jacinth
That would be the largest announcement poll ever.
onyx river
Interesting
agile spindle
sounds fair to me
rigid jacinth
And not every active user would vote
cinder kestrel
Normally, we're more bureaucratic than that. On this wiki (these wikis), we usually don't ask everyone for their opinion--we just let the Wiki Keepers and everyone who participates in #📚wiki-discussion give their opinion and then we form a decision from that.
cinder kestrel
Seeing as [most] of the active editors are on here anyways
That definitely helps.
molten tree
@cinder kestrel For larger-reaching decisions like this, I'd want to make sure such discussions are recorded on the wiki(s). It's something we ensure for all wikis because we can't use Discord as evidence of anything. It's not our platform.
agile spindle
makes sense
rigid jacinth
Well, most anyways
We've got most people who make valid edits on here don't we?
molten tree
For in-wiki discussions, that's one thing, but if Fandom is involved (through me or otherwise), it'd have to be on the wiki
onyx river
We could always just tell people about the discussion in here so they can contribute to it on the wikis
molten tree
well of course I'd post links here
but anyway, again, this is just me thinking out loud right now
I have no plans yet and I just want the thought to be there for now
rigid jacinth
🤔
cinder kestrel
I do agree with you on this; it's just different from the norm.
agile spindle
im for it
rigid jacinth
Me too
(though my vote doesn't exactly matter)
lusty hearth
I'm fine with it.
onyx river
Same
onyx river
Well... there’s still the other 6 or so wiki keepers plus a few other editors
molten tree
Like I said, I'm not doing anything right now, this doesn't count as a "vote" xD
cinder kestrel
I thought we just voted to make a Discussion post or something to discuss the matter with the whole wiki (as opposed to actually voting "yes" on the merger).
molten tree
I did say I was just thinking out loud
cinder kestrel
I think we've moved beyond you just having a thought on the matter.
molten tree
That sounds insulting for some reason 😆
I'll go ahead and make posts on both wikis and announce them
cinder kestrel
That sounds insulting for some reason
It's no longer about you and your thoughts; it's something real now.
Yeah, I can see what you mean.
molten tree
lusty hearth
Isn't Dinofuzz one of the admins?
rigid jacinth
TheVentBro is
molten tree
The active admins on the wikis are Tueman, Xenodrone98, and MorphGuy
agile spindle
I'm a bureaucrat
MorphGuy = Dinofuzz, he is also bureaucrat but I'm not sure he's active
Xenodrone is admin and he is somewhat active I think
molten tree
Bureaucrat does not mean admin
Bureaucrat is completely different, it just means you can promote users
cinder kestrel
The active admins on the wikis are Tueman, Xenodrone98, and MorphGuy
And SLSbot, but bots aren't people, so they don't count.
molten tree
Bureaucrats are not always admins, and admins are not always bureaucrats
agile spindle
I wouldn't give bureaucrat to someone I don't trust as admin, but sure
molten tree
Oh no I totally agree
cinder kestrel
Wait, when don't bureaucrats serve as admins?
molten tree
but technically it's possible
molten tree
There are some wikis that choose to have bureaucrats not be admins and vice versa
agile spindle
that seems odd to me
molten tree
I think Wikipedia does that actually
in any case
I do need to introduce myself to the other admins as well, and get their opinion on this matter before we can bring it to the community at large.
No need to rush into this
agile spindle
definitely
rigid jacinth
MorphGuy = Dinofuzz, he is also bureaucrat but I'm not sure he's active
Wait what?
I thought he was just an admin
visible confusion
cinder kestrel
That's what we call a Parity Issue on minecraft.gamepedia.com--except that's about something else entirely.
MorphGuy is an admin on one wiki and a bureaucrat on the other.
cinder kestrel
Good question. tueman can probably answer that.
agile spindle
i think some admins stopped being active on the subnautica wiki because it was "complete"
so we promoted him on the BZ wiki but didnt bother on SN
rigid jacinth
It doesn't seem complete LOL
agile spindle
complete to the degree of not needing serious changes
rigid jacinth
Fair
agile spindle
i dont really want to speak for him so ill just say he was mainly focused on BZ
molten tree
Wikis, because they're wikis, are never complete
agile spindle
because this channel isnt active enough to demand that
rigid jacinth
Hmm, why aren't there two wiki channels
That was a stupid question for me to ask
cinder kestrel
There'll eventually be a second channel, but it'll have a different purpose.
rigid jacinth
Hey, at least we haven't had any off-topic questions in a while
cinder kestrel
Ever since this channel was moved from the General category at the top to its current position, we've had fewer "off-topic questions" and other unwanted messages.
rigid jacinth
https://subnautica.fandom.com/wiki/Reinforcement
This page is smol
But there isn't much to be added
🤔
cinder kestrel
That's okay.
Short and complete is fine--unless we decide that it's not fine on the wikis for a certain reason.
cinder kestrel
I was thinking wiki-specific versus Fandom-wide in this case.
If you're asking why we don't demote them: that's a fair question. If you're asking why they go inactive: that's also a good question.
To the latter, it could be because their life gets busier or they lose interest in the game or they lose interest in editing or any number of other reasons.
rigid jacinth
If you're asking why we don't demote them: that's a fair question. If you're ask...
Pretty much both
onyx river
*MorphGuy* is an admin on one wiki and a bureaucrat on the other.
I believe this also applies to vee/MyztriCaecusCA
warm hound
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rigid jacinth
I believe this also applies to vee/MyztriCaecusCA
Interesting
heady gulch
this is ancient but, does anyone know much bout this?
is there even an itallian subnautica wikii?
onyx river
Not that I’m aware of
heady gulch
huh, if thats the case i'll see if i can remove the link to it on the main page.
onyx river
I think you need to remove the link on the template page
heady gulch
i think it did work but i didnt look closely enough and undid my revision
onyx river
Oof
heady gulch
yep its gone now
lusty hearth
molten tree
Got it
warm hound
https://subnautica-belowzero.fandom.com/wiki/Snowman670 <:kielFacePalm:655814497...
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lusty hearth
Spam page.
warm hound
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ivory steppe
Thumper Page needs a little fixing in the Recipe Department. I dunno how to do recipe stuff. It should be Magnetite, not Magentite.
warm hound
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ivory steppe
Okay... well... Xeno is not the only one who can fix it.
cinder kestrel
You're welcome?
onyx river
Dang it SLS
cinder kestrel
I tried to guess what you would say.
ivory steppe
SLS saves the day again.
onyx river
Indeed
lusty hearth
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I'm busy.
warm hound
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onyx river
You’re too late anyways :p
lusty hearth
I can see that.
ivory steppe
Wiki Keepers have lives outside the wiki.
warm hound
Okay... well... Xeno is not the only one who can fix it.
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ivory steppe
🤔
warm hound
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onyx river
He doesn’t know how to edit the Recipe2 template
ivory steppe
"I dunno how to do recipe stuff."
warm hound
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warm hound
**"I dunno how to do recipe stuff."**
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dry trail
how to craft torpil for cyclop please
ivory steppe
Do you mean Creature Decoys? Via the fabricator. Also, consider asking in #subnautica-chat
flat fog
I'm in the middle of trying to import Subnautica into a unity editor so I can take a detailed look at scripts. Would it be worthwhile to take note of entity behaviors and document them to be added to the wiki, such as exactly how reaper/ghost/sea dragon leviathans behave under the hood?
I'm noticing a lack of details such as aggro range and whether or not using a seaglide/seamoth would affect it.
silk flame
@flat fog YES, very much so, in fact, ping me whenever you've got info, please
flat fog
I'm trying to figure out how to use ng missing script recovery. Very new to using unity. Will probably be a while.
flat fog
Encountering issues, but I'll note when I have it working.
silk flame
Story of my life
flat fog
I think I'm slowly wrapping my head around this. Doubt I'm anywhere close to being done, but I know more than I did last I spoke.
onyx river
https://subnautica-belowzero.fandom.com/wiki/Repulsion_Cannon?curid=1259&diff=73508&oldid=71167 was it ever set as a cut candidate?
rigid jacinth
Not as far as I know
tribal bone
Thumper Page needs a little fixing in the Recipe Department. I dunno how to do r...
what even is a thumper
ivory steppe
what even is a thumper
A device designed by Alterra to stop Ice Worm's from attacking in a certain area.
tribal bone
oh
heady gulch
@onyx river so uhhh whats going on over here?
im not the story sortie so i dont know these things
onyx river
so basically, in the DRF they were keeping a Sea dragon egg, so a sea dragon attacked the building, this guy is trying to convince me it was an emperor
heady gulch
mhmmmm theres only one sea emperor alive at this time and unless it escaped the PCF then. yeah no not a sea emp
onyx river
yeeep
ivory steppe
Definitely a Sea Dragon.
heady gulch
if they change it again im calling them a potato
ivory steppe
Call them a baked potato.
cinder kestrel
If the user changes it again, I intend to lock the article on whatever revision I find it on until you two discuss it (which would probably happen on one of your walls).
onyx river
yeah, ill probably leave a message on their wall if they do it again
rigid jacinth
Bruh some guy is spamming discussions
fervent grove
Excuse me, did I see someone use potato as an insult?
onyx river
ivory steppe
Excuse me, did I see someone use potato as an insult?
It was VentBro.
heady gulch
Noble heirarch surely you understand this was a mistake
ivory steppe
Confession: It was me as well. You may split the punishment between us.
onyx river
@cinder kestrel halp
heady gulch
since unfortunately the server has banned Killua for posting images too fast, I'll finish up what he was mentioning. https://the-dave.fandom.com/wiki/Xenodrone98
So, long story short theres a user that keeps insighting trouble on the subnautica wiki over the idea of an rp hoverfish war.
heady gulch
<@333326315610439692> halp
I'll handle it
onyx river
Thanks
heady gulch
but uh. seems theyre trying to advertise their wiki and have some fun.
ivory steppe
Interesting. What are you gonna do about it?
heady gulch
@molten tree, I was wondering if their wiki as of the current standing goes against the Fandom TOS, especially with the toxic nature of it and slander of users from subnautica wiki. Our previous wiki manager, Sitb, dealt with a previous version of their wiki they had set up which did the same thing.
heady gulch
Interesting. What are you gonna do about it?
If seamoth keeps spreading it then i'm goin to ban him, simple as that, I told him already not to participate in this kind of stuff especially with the whole "hoverfish war" debacle since its disruptive.
ivory steppe
This is all so childish. 🤦♂️
heady gulch
They can have their "hoverfish war". But once it starts to involve subnautica wiki, as well as its users, then theres a problem.
I'm not gonna go after most of them involved, only seamoth549 since he seems he's trying to actively spread it and engage with it on the wiki when i told him not too.
molten tree
Wh... What the
agile spindle
the woes of having a young player base
molten tree
But how do we even have a younger player base? Subnautica always seemed like a more mature game to me
silver tulip
drawback to having an age rating of 7
molten tree
oh... that's odd to me
molten tree
<@!131039651094855680>, I was wondering if their wiki as of the current standing...
Anyway, yeah, that's definitely not allowed. Thanks for the heads-up
agile spindle
But how do we even have a younger player base? Subnautica always seemed like a m...
lots of youtuber attention from people like jacksepticeye, markiplier, etc who have a lot of very young fans
molten tree
That's fair, I did discover the game through Jacksepticeye
flat fog
@silk flame During my snooping while fixing scripts, I believe I have come across something noteworthy. The reaper and ghost leviathan have the script StayAtLeashPosition assigned to them, while the ghost leviathan juvenile does not. Therefore, I speculate there's no code preventing the ghost leviathan juveniles from leaving their zones.
Nevermind. Found it...
Definitely taking a deeper look at entity behavior, though.
agile spindle
fixing scripts?
hot oyster
does anyone know the max amount of attachments a sea truck can have? also can it have multiple of one attachment e.g storage for more lockers?
flat fog
fixing scripts?
I used utinyripper to unpackage subnautica, then used unity, thunderkit, and ng missing script recovery to fix any missing scripts as a result of the unpackaging process. What I'm left with is a project with subnautica's files and scripts in human readable format.
So now I can take a look at what scripts are responsible for a creature's behavior and what values things are set at.
For example, the script StayAtLeashPosition. Assuming the unit of measurement is in meters, the leash distance for a reaper leviathan is set at 60 meters. In theory, that means it won't wander further than 60 meters from its leash point unless something with higher priority grabs its attention.
In comparison, the leash distance for a ghost leviathan is set to 100 and for the juvenile 55.
@silk flame Some juicy info for you.
turbid ermine
does anyone know the max amount of attachments a sea truck can have? also can it...
No limit, and yes.
hot oyster
Cool
turbid ermine
For example, the script StayAtLeashPosition. Assuming the unit of measurement is...
Not really his spawn point.
flat fog
Hm?
turbid ermine
A bunch of methods update this vector.
turbid ermine
Check the ones with breakLeash = true in FleeOnDamage for instance.
And the StopPerform method.
The shadow has it at true.
flat fog
I'm incredibly new to using unity, so you'll have to point me in the right direction.
Am I correct that the distance is in meters, though?
Found FleeOnDamage and the Break Leash argument you were referring to.
@turbid ermine So, what would be the creature's leash position after it stops fleeing?
turbid ermine
Their current one.
flat fog
Their current position, you mean?
turbid ermine
Where they stopped, yes.
flat fog
Oof. So attacking a reaper or ghost leviathan can cause it to relocate.
Any scripts encouraging them to stay in their respective biomes?
turbid ermine
No.
turbid ermine
Everything is in meter yes, but you also have the things in Evaluate to take into account.
flat fog
Hm?
agile spindle
technically its in unity units isnt it
turbid ermine
I guess.
flat fog
Max Dist To Leash means how far the creature can be from the leash point when performing a certain action, correct?
A cyclops temporarily increases that leash distance from 60 to 160, if so. When a reaper is attacking one, that is.
It seems a reaper leviathan will prioritize staying at least 30 meters away from terrain.
Seems ghost leviathans have worse field of view vs reapers.
What effect does happiness level have on leviathan behavior?@turbid ermine You seem knowledgeable about stuff like this.
Seems leviathans are scripted to retaliate after fleeing and remember what attacked them for a period of 5 units (seconds?), if I'm reading this right.
Seems reaper and ghost leviathans aggro on sandsharks.
Seems ghost leviathans will also maintain a minimum distance of 30 meters from terrain.
turbid ermine
What effect does happiness level have on leviathan behavior?<@!40789758277858099...
It is used by the animator.
I don't think they have a specific behavior about it other than that. However, some things can, I'm thinking about the breach from the whale.
flat fog
Do you know if stasis counts as damage or contributes to aggro?
Hm. Speaking of which. I remember a story about a ghost leviathan following an ampeel all the way to the safe shallows. Must have cycled between getting damaged by the ampeel, fleeing, and retaliating.
Sea dragon leviathans don't break their leash upon taking damage. Good to know.
Huh. It's also aggressive towards sharks.
And will maintain a distance of 30 meters from terrain.
flat fog
Huh. A ghost leviathan's max distance from leash when attacking a cyclops is 140. 20 less than a reaper.
silk flame
This is legitimately really interesting
sudden dove
Agreed.
sudden dove
Not true. It has eaten me multiple times 😛
sudden dove
I know, just couldn't resist lol
flat fog
Huh. Most, if not all creatures seem to have a leash position.
onyx river
@flat fog feel free to add anything you find of importance to the wiki, just make an account first
agile spindle
try not to get too specific with the information you add
we don't want the wiki to be littered with jargon that the average user can't understand
flat fog
Fair enough.
flat fog
It would probably be a good idea to note somewhere about damage causing reaper/ghost leviathans to change where they'll hang around.
sudden dove
Coulda sworn that's on there somewhere already.
fervent grove
Don't swear Tuna, it's against the rules
warm hound
One message removed from a suspended account.
onyx river
warm hound
One message removed from a suspended account.
silk flame
I'd like to start a formal petition to ban Tuna
warm hound
One message removed from a suspended account.
cinder kestrel
But "The Moderators' decisions are final and will not be discussed in public channels," so if Tuna decides to swear, you shouldn't object in public.
warm hound
One message removed from a suspended account.
One message removed from a suspended account.
ivory steppe
Why is BZ so heavily glitchy
I rarely experience bugs in my game.
hot oyster
Can someone update the wiki so it shows that the teleport module has 3 uses per ion cube? thanks
onyx river
🤔
cinder kestrel
I thought about it for 0.2 seconds.
And I'll still be thinking about it regardless of how much gets deleted.
fervent grove
Kids, amirite?
cinder kestrel
amirite?
Yes, you are this.
warm hound
One message removed from a suspended account.
tribal bone
i just edited something in the below zero prawn suit page at the upgrade module section, i added the storage module. can anyone check if i did something wrong since its my first wiki edit? thanks
molten plaza
lol
ivory steppe
> amirite?
Yes, you are this.
🤔 Am I Right?
gray nacelle
https://subnautica.fandom.com/wiki/Subnautica_Creepypasta:_The_Mod @cinder kestrel Can you remove this page? (I might be dumb, but I think wiki mods can)
cinder kestrel
Yes, moderators can delete stuff (and protect stuff and edit protected stuff). The big difference between moderators and administrators is that administrators can block users.
They can also edit MediaWiki pages, promote users to Discussions Moderator, and do other things that moderators cannot do, but the blocking thing is the most obvious difference.
onyx river
I’m getting tired of this -_-
cinder kestrel
I agree. The extra lines in between the entries are annoying.
onyx river
🤔
cinder kestrel
Or are you tired of the lack of an explanation on the Leviathan Class Organisms as to why "A leviathan-class predator at the smaller end of the scale" does not mean the creature belongs in the article (which is a reason why users keep re-adding the Squidshark)?
onyx river
Yes, both really
cinder kestrel
If you know what the explanation is, I recommend adding it to the article.
onyx river
Sure
rustic pebble
Hello! I'm hopefully going to start doing some edits on the wiki (currently one of the few active editors for the Satisfactory wiki). I'm curious if there is a way to disable the custom cursor through an existing setting, or if I need to write that out on my oasis.css user page.
I'd also like to know if there is a formatting guide for pages on the wiki, like what type of grammar and how sections are ordered. I could also just be blind and have missed it somewhere.
cinder kestrel
You'll have to disable it on your own CSS page. https://subnautica.fandom.com/wiki/Subnautica_Wiki:Guidelines is the main guide on the wiki.
rustic pebble
(Sorry I have more combined questions) Do you guys use this discord chat for the majority of your discussions, or one of the available forums?
I also noticed that there is a lot of inconsistency with writing out numbers (one) and not (1). If there isn't a current decision on this, we use the typed out numbers for 1-10, and anything greater is just written with the actual numbers on the wiki I'm coming from.
EDIT: If the number that's ≤10 is being used with a unit or is a direct measurement (like 2x, 2%) we keep it as a number.
onyx river
We usually use this channel for conversations, as for numbers, afaik there is no decision on it
rustic pebble
Alright, cool. The number thing isn't too much of a problem here cause most of the numbers are greater than 10, but I just wanted to check here in case a formula was already set in place.
heady gulch
- s i g h *
sudden dove
I hate kids
warm hound
One message removed from a suspended account.
molten tree
onyx river
* s i g h *
Let me just say... who the heck chose those theme colours
molten tree
they're one of the defaults
onyx river
I see... I blame fandom then
onyx river
O.o fandom get it together and update these things
heady gulch
yup.
we give them a fair ban period then they always turn around and whip out an alt account which seals the deal.
oh, turns out this wiki isnt being run by the guy i had a talk with.
thats a breath of fresh air then.
wait is ban evasion against fandom's own terms of service? @molten tree
molten tree
On a global level, yes. On a local level, it kind of depends on the wiki's rules, but obviously almost every wiki doesn't allow it.
heady gulch
ah gotcha.
yeah, ban evasion seems to be the most popular offense on the subnautica wiki
molten tree
That "cave of secrets" wiki and two others have been closed
heady gulch
two others?
molten tree
yeah they've now made a total of five
heady gulch
any of which happened to be made by a user named "Pokemon was better"?
molten tree
yeah one of them was him
heady gulch
huh, was he doing anything wrong? I had an extensive talk with him about what not to do which mostly boiled down to "hey don't try to interfere or bother the subnautica wiki or slander it and Its cool" and he agreed to the terms from what he told me.
molten tree
We don't allow personal wikis
molten tree
heady gulch
huh, thanks for the info
heady gulch
I dont know how many times , i think 5 maybe
silk flame
This guy's a legend
onyx river
So, should we be letting this through or undoing it since it was called early
cinder kestrel
It'll need a new reference for whatever date it actually is (unless the original video was updated to give a solid date).
onyx river
Yeah, Bandai, who’s distributing the console copies released a date, but apparently it was premature and there’s always the chance that it’ll be pushed back
cinder kestrel
One of the downsides of feeds-based comments is that SLSbot can't take care of them.
silk flame
Sorry, idiot here. What does that mean?
cinder kestrel
It's something best deferred to later when we aren't talking about this spam.
silk flame
Ah
I was just looking for any mention of this seaworthy update thingy in the edits, and came across that.
If you'd like, I can take the time to get rid of those
keen sluice
guess they really want to know when below zero is coming to xbox
onyx river
If you'd like, I can take the time to get rid of those
Unfortunately only discussions mods can do that
silk flame
guess they really want to know when below zero is coming to xbox
Idk, they seem a bit lacking in the enthusiasm department
Ah, okay
Right
I don't know why I thought that was an option I had
I me you could gimme your login... (This is 100% a joke)
keen sluice
I me you *could* gimme your login... (This is 100% a joke)
heckerman
cinder kestrel
No heckling.
silk flame
I'll do it, don't test me. @onyx river I'm comin for that username
onyx river
I’m not a mod either :p
silk flame
Damn.
Ill have to go to plan E
Assassinate Picls, then impersonate them and slowly work my way up the chain of command until I am Mr. Sub Nautica himself.
cinder kestrel
I'm still trying to think of a good response. I'll put this from https://www.fandom.com/Terms-of-Use in the meantime.
silk flame
I'm not sure what the assassination has to do with the rest of the plan, but I'm 100% sure it's necessary
NO
Defeated by the TOS
keen sluice
the TOS has saved Picls life
cinder kestrel
Twice (https://discord.com/terms).
onyx river
I am untouchable
silk flame
What if I edit the TOS with my newfound powers?
cinder kestrel
I am untouchable
If you say so . . . but the evidence suggests otherwise.
cinder kestrel
Yes.
obtuse quiver
Why
keen sluice
why not
obtuse quiver
Sounds about right
cinder kestrel
I'll try using text-to-speech on that question (on my end).
And in response: "Y is the 25th letter of the alphabet. That's y."
silk flame
I've officially lost where this conversation has gone, have I murdered Picls yet?
cinder kestrel
You might be murdering the purpose of this channel.
keen sluice
oop
silk flame
Communication is a two way street
cinder kestrel
I do need to introduce myself to the other admins as well, and get their opinion on this matter before we can bring it to the community at large.
Did you ever do that, @molten tree ?
You might be murdering the purpose of this channel.
The purpose being stuff like what I just posted.
silk flame
Okay, so I added a couple things on the Cyclops page
Just wanna make sure I did everything right
And Seamoth
Oh, I'd like to add information about the bug that occurs if you park the Seamoth on the shallow part of the Floating Island "entrance", that's a glitch that I ran into and is quite frustrating, I'd like to put A: a warning that it happens, and B: a way to potentially fix it.
onyx river
Feel free to add what you want, if someone disagrees with you we’ll bring it up here or undo it 
As long as you aren’t adding gibberish or unnecessary info
For bugs there’s usually a “bugs” header
molten tree
> I do need to introduce myself to the other admins as well, and get their opini...
I've introduced myself to the admins, but I'm talking with staff about the implications of such a merge before I talk to the admins or the community.
In the meantime, I'm still here to perform my normal WR duties on both wikis
onyx river
WR?
molten tree
Wiki Representative
onyx river
Np
silk flame
Everything look nice and proper tho?
onyx river
Yep, it just takes a bit to learn all the templates and wiki text
heady gulch
> I do need to introduce myself to the other admins as well, and get their opini...
whats up?
ii heard something about introducing to admins
are we having the sunday lunch meet still?
cinder kestrel
We have confirmation on the release date now.
lusty hearth
All platforms.
heady gulch
even better
silk flame
Oh here come the edits
fervent grove
Time for " everyone editing everyone else's edits" lol
silk flame
I suppose it would be too much to ask for "one at a time, please"
cinder kestrel
Some wikis use a template that says, "This article is being edited at this very moment, please don't edit it right now" that editors can add to an article before doing a big change or when it's likely someone else will edit the article at the same time. We don't.
silk flame
Sorry if this sounds rude, but why the eff not?
agile spindle
there is nothing more infuriating than finishing a big edit and seeing "your edit conflicts with another edit"
agile spindle
like ive seen red after seeing that message
silk flame
like ive seen red after seeing that message
pat pat
cinder kestrel
That is something that such a template alleviates if it gets used.
onyx river
like ive seen red after seeing that message
Especially when that edit is “ “.
agile spindle
it used to be worse because fandom had this very broken "Draft" feature that would basically lock a page from being edited by you if it happened
cinder kestrel
On the other hand, this is the only time such a template has been mentioned (I think), so I'm guessing we don't want it that badly.
molten tree
I help manage dozens of large wikis and I've never, ever seen a template like that
agile spindle
if youre a real gamer you just lock the page if you making a huge change
cinder kestrel
agile spindle
if your brain knows no bounds you delete the page, create it on another wiki, edit it, delete it, and paste the result back into a new page on the original wiki
silk flame
Feel free to ping me if you need anything done!
heady gulch
hmmmmm
cinder kestrel
minecraft.gamepedia.com and disney.fandom.com also use an "In use" template (but most of the major wikis I've checked so far do not).
heady gulch
@silk flame do you have any video recording software
silk flame
I do not, why?
onyx river
Side note: we’re missing a bunch of audio files from the bz dialogue page
onyx river
What was the software they used to rip the sound files for sn?
heady gulch
can it run subnautica on the highest graphics settings
silk flame
Everything but water quality, yes.
heady gulch
hm that would be a problem then.
silk flame
Which is locked at medium
heady gulch
fair enough. I dont know how to bypass that.
silk flame
That is to say, it runs, but not outstandingly well
Playable
But it's not winning any awards
heady gulch
I need someone who has a video recording software of some kind and can run it at the highest settings.
onyx river
I feel like anom did it in the past?
heady gulch
Anom has been MIA since december
onyx river
Ah, rip
heady gulch
I'm guessing he's got more pressing issues atm.
silk flame
That's not possible. Subnautica Wiki is like Mafia. There is no leaving.
Well there is
Sleeping with the Reapers
No wait I got a better one
Sleeping with the Peepers
heady gulch
well the list of things needed is still active.
sudden mica
cinder kestrel
Discussing the wiki, including editing it (like you said).
heady gulch
Hmm
oh no
he’s returned
He REtUrned!
Gush walks into subnautica wiki
What useless photo will he add to a page?
The cycle has already begun
All we can do is pray now
lusty hearth
Or have someone reroll his edits. :P
heady gulch
True but.
The primary forces keeping him at bay, Vee, and Thunder are gone
Have you heard the tale of gush?
lusty hearth
I've only heard about their superfluous images.
heady gulch
Yes. They arrived long ago before time and before the spinjiitsu.
They posted photos but they were awful. All of them. He wasn’t a malicious user though and because of that he never broke rules. But his horrible images bloated pages and caused problems with the admins, many times they told him to upload better and many times he did or did not. At the end of the day though it was the same mess.
Before I was admin, I think bippity locked the page since he wanted me getting photos of the recently implemented sea emperor leviathan in the PCF instead of gush doing it.
We banned him away for 1 year. Or maybe two because he would never listen about photos. And now he woke from his slumber.
Vee and thunder are gone, the two main users who kept order against him.
lusty hearth
Mm, I see.
heady gulch
Be weary of him and what he might post on the below zero wiki
onyx river
Yes. They arrived long ago before time and before the spinjiitsu.
They posted ph...
A riveting tale indeed
heady gulch
Yes, we need our bravest editor to stand up against the new evil
pure iron
I added Indra Cormac to the Alterra Corporation page
And is anyone going to add information to the story of Mercury II on its page or is it too early?
onyx river
Eventually...
pure iron
Ok
And if people find information on something in Below zero, does it have to be added to the Subnautica wiki too?
agile spindle
not at the moment
heady gulch
We have a few degrees of separation between subnautica wiki and below zero wiki as far as im aware
thats why I dont believe we hav info on the pages confirming that the sunbeam is intended to be destroyed (since if you cure before they land they say theres too much debris to land. Below zero does mention iirc that the sunbeam went missing over the planet so kinda confirmed their death) as well as marge.
onyx river
Can someone confirm this, because I found it there no more than 2 weeks ago and I haven’t seen any updates about it
onyx river
Interesting 🧐
cinder kestrel
So it was there before a major update that updated that location but not there after? That can make sense.
onyx river
Yeah but I was playing in experimental, so the update didn’t really affect my game play
¯_(ツ)_/¯
tribal bone
could someone center the text in this for me? i don't know how.
via https://subnautica-belowzero.fandom.com/wiki/Prawn_Suit#Modules by the way.
onyx river
Fixed 👍
tribal bone
thanks
silver tulip
no one knows, it's just an easter egg for Obraxis the dev
ember kestrel
sadge
ivory steppe
what happened on obraxis prime
A massacre.
silk flame
what happened on obraxis prime
We don't talk about Obraxis Prime.
silk flame
we do not speak of it, it is forbidden!
fervent grove
You get banned if you talk about Obraxis Prime. Let it be relegated to history and forgotten.
ivory steppe
You get banned if you talk about Obraxis Prime. Let it be relegated to history a...
Agreed.
smoky depot
You get banned if you talk about Obraxis Prime. Let it be relegated to history a...
wait dms
silk flame
You get banned if you talk about Obraxis Prime. Let it be relegated to history a...
I tried to tell them, but they wouldn't listen. I know it's a painful memory for you.
fervent grove
onyx river
yeah i saw that -_-
heady gulch
i mean. im a mixed bag on that one.
its not like a techno made up car so its easy to probably find a car they based it off of
kinda a grey area atm
onyx river
Yeah, I was more talking about the back and forth of that one
heady gulch
yeah and im not in the mood to go dig through discord to find a dev statement about what its based off of
can we ask the Donya about it?
onyx river
I guess 
heady gulch
@grim jungle Hi Donya, sorry for the ping, If you have the chance. a few wiki members are going back and forth about the toy car, one claiming its based on a Corvette, and another undoing the edits saying that it isn't. I'm wondering if theres any info what car the toy car item might be based off of actually if theres any specific car model or manufacturer it was based off of.
onyx river
it wasn't fixed
Hmmm
heady gulch
yeah i mean honestly Picls2 I wanna step in but I cant really make up my mind on which is really the right or wrong in the case.
its obviously based off a car of some kind and maybe yeah they're right about it, but its hard to say "yeah its based off this" definitely unless a dev or something said it
i could easily claim the crashfish plant was based off of the alien facehugger egg because of how it opens up in that flower shaped way for the inhabitant to go out. but then. No dev ever said thats how it actually was so I cant say it's valid info.
onyx river
I think you forgot to press save
Okay should be fixed this time
onyx river
yeah i mean honestly Picls2 I wanna step in but I cant really make up my mind on...
Yeah I see your point
heady gulch
its a grey area
little wolf
Yep it’s fixed
heady gulch
because you can obviously point to a car and say yeah they probably based it off of that.
but then ya know, the other part two.
so I'm hoping we get some info on what its based off of before that devolves
that or we ask tueman
okay yeah i think we should just ask tueman
agile spindle
i have no idea
and donya wasnt around during subnautica development so unless she has access to old dev notes that we dont, it's unlikely she'll know
prolly shouldnt have pinged her
heady gulch
knowing baselerson this might turn into a fight so I'm gonna go tell him to chill on it before we get info.
crap sorry then.
Sorry Donya!
Im gonna say we just leave it as either or, either make a loose claim its based off of a corvette by visual design until we get information otherwise
agile spindle
just guess based on what it looks most like
if someone disagrees put both if they look similar
heady gulch
gotcha, I'll let them know
fervent grove
Obraxis would probably be the best person to ask
heady gulch
He's pretty busy so probs best not
is it fine if i undo this?
im 90% sure the Janitor joke has been a running gag in the dev group and in the discord as well because theres was no info about what ryley did or what his name was.
cinder kestrel
I think the first one should be removed. As for the second one: it depends on how far the similarities go. If both games feature a cleaner that has to pay for everything used for survival on a planet and no other game does that (except for Subnautica, of course), then maybe.
fervent grove
We all know Subnautica is basically Minecraft with curves
ivory steppe
https://subnautica-belowzero.fandom.com/wiki/Shallow_Twisty_Bridges Something looks off about this page IMO.
ivory steppe
Ask IAmBob1
cinder kestrel
Seperated the page into 3 major sections.
I don't have an opinion.
Feel free to tabber-ify it
Normally, I would say "absolutely not," but then I would have to say "absolutely not" a lot more on the wikis.
agile spindle
sls you should form an anti-tabbing task force
cinder kestrel
But then I would feel obligated to form a number of other tasks forces.
Maybe later.
agile spindle
what other task forces would you form?
silk flame
Anti task tab force
silk flame
its obviously based off a car of some kind and maybe yeah they're right about it...
I'd be willing to bet not much more thought went into it than just "hey we need a toy car for the game, can someone get on that?"
I mean in terms of inspiration, not effort
native lintel
hello the sea emperor has been deactivated ?
warm hound
One message removed from a suspended account.
cinder kestrel
You must be really sensitive to this stuff if it drove you insane between the time you noticed it and the time you fixed it (how long was that? A minute?).
ivory steppe
This page exists: https://subnautica.fandom.com/wiki/Lithium_Ion_battery
ivory steppe
That page was created more than once? 🤨
cinder kestrel
But this is the first time with that exact capitalization.
ivory steppe
Oh god... They're learning.
molten tree
Lithium Batteries and Lithium ion Batteries were the other two pages
orchid jasper
is it a posabilisty to add scaner time on wiki
cinder kestrel
The time it takes to scan something?
onyx river
I feel like that one might require searching the game files? or just extensive amounts of time scanning everything
orchid jasper
I feel like that one might require searching the game files? or just extensive a...
but can it be added im willing to time the scans it will give me something to do
onyx river
i mean, im no mod but im not against it, as long as the times are accurate
weary sparrow
I was asked to convey a message.
https://subnautica.fandom.com/wiki/User:Peepers_are_scary "This user admitted to being underage"
Message conveyed, now I'm going back to my Personal Finance
onyx river
cough @heady gulch
heady gulch
this is an old thing
weary sparrow
The same screenshot I was sent ¯_(ツ)_/¯
heady gulch
i looked over it a significant while ago and asked for more info on it and they said they just made an oopsie and sorta forgot they were 13 and turned 13 a few weeks ago. I decided to give them the benefit of the doubt.
onyx river
ah, okay
molten tree
FYI if you see any evidence of someone admitting they're underage, please contact Fandom staff (or me)
heady gulch
gotcha,
there was quite a bit of back n forth about it.
weary sparrow
"What about G.L.L. he got banned for being underage and he was banned though no one gave him the chance to clear himself? Wait no don't send that to them" Sent it anyway 😏
What exactly is a G.L.L.?
heady gulch
ghost leviathan lova.
weary sparrow
What is a "lova"
heady gulch
except, he admitted to as far as im aware, another user on discord that they actually werent anywhere near the age of 13. so they pretty much lied on the wiki saying they were near that age. and then did constant ban evasion which, at the time I didn't know by wiki standards is a non appealable perma ban. So by the time he claimed he was 13 on the wiki, also spun up some story that the admins let him back which we didn't of course, I told him that he's on ice permanantly. But no he just decided to keep coming back instead after every ban.
this case looks a lot lot more like an accident than anything else in my opinion. sometimes I too forget that I'm old enough to get a drivers license that doesn't require a parent or guardian in the next seat over watching my every movement. I'm not about to ban someone because they accidentally mixed up some info, forgot they turned 13 not way too long ago, or had a typo about their age. Other admin's might do differently, but I'm goin to try to give people the benefit of the doubt first.
weary sparrow
Who is "ghost leviathan lova"
heady gulch
a rather malicious individual that kept returning to the wiki after being banned despite being told the rules multiple times. it was a really annoying game of cat n mouse with him because of how many alts he made and used to evade bans.
heady gulch
eh
as far as I'm aware SITB caught them trying to rejoin the wiki one time with their IP so he put a month global ban iirc on it. no problems since with him, at least none that have popped up yet.
heady gulch
the problem is theres plenty of users out there that try to treat the subnautica wiki like it's their own playground and it's all fun and games to have to play cat n mouse with wiki admins.
weary sparrow
eh
as far as I'm aware SITB caught them trying to rejoin the wiki one time with ...
Who is SITB?
heady gulch
Old wiki manager.
weary sparrow
I'm sorry I know nothing about wikis
heady gulch
its alright
weary sparrow
Does the manager own the wiki...?
heady gulch
no. But, as far as I'm aware, they are under FANDOM's payroll, either literally or metaphorically, and help out the prominent wikis on the platform.
weary sparrow
If they don't own the wiki why are they called wiki managers?
heady gulch
Fandom can probably answer that question.
heady gulch
https://community.fandom.com/wiki/Help:Wiki_Representatives here you go, im used to calling them managers, seems the official title is representatives.
"Wiki Representatives are part-time staff members assigned to specific wikis. They are here to support your wiki's community and help it grow and thrive, as well as serving as a liaison with a direct line of contact to full-time Fandom staff."
weary sparrow
Who is the person I'm seeing........?
heady gulch
sitb was moved a while ago i think. about a month or two
weary sparrow
Moved?
heady gulch
assigned to a different wiki.
molten tree
@heady gulch We were rebranded as Wiki Representatives just a couple of weeks ago, because of questions like @weary sparrow's "does the manager own the wiki" because "manager" was probably the wrong word to use.
heady gulch
ah gotcha, a recent change. thanks for letting me know!
yeah it does half come off that way when the wording is "manager"
weary sparrow
<@!269655239110557696> We were rebranded as Wiki Representatives just a couple o...
Cool
ivory steppe
Is this worthy of trivia?
agile spindle
yes
graceful mist
Test.
broken plinth
Is this worthy of trivia?
yeye
silver kernel
Isnt the prawn suit in subnautica actually prawn suit mk 3?
I think it says on a poster
cinder kestrel
The Mk.III is the latest iteration, and has so far only been rolled out by Alterra for their own high-value, phasegate-related operations.
--Data Bank Entry
And yes, both posters agree with this.
silver kernel
Didn't notice that
But yeah the posters in subnautica are much more memorable than below zero imo
cinder kestrel
Hmph (looking at the far right column).
But SOAP exists, so the semi-inactivity is not a huge problem.
Slightly related to that: if we don't want Dottedfish to be a bureaucrat anymore, we can ask SlyCooperFan1 to demote the user.
agile spindle
i may not have edited in a few months but i am still around and help out in this channel
hallow patio
warm hound
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hallow patio
Lmao
echo tapir
1000 years ago, legends say, that sea emperator was aggressive leviathan
heady gulch
Seems like there's a lot of things going down on sn wiki with individuals from the "hoverfish war" again. since I'm undergoing a heavy exam workload I cannot spend the time to handle all of these things and I wont be able too until the 16th. Is it alright if the users forward these issues to you lads instead for the timebeing? @agile spindle @cinder kestrel
and @molten tree
cinder kestrel
I'm not an administrator, so I cannot do a lot.
heady gulch
oh okay gotcha, sorry i dont remember the list of active admins off my head
if you dont want them sending the stuff your guyses way, let me know and i'll edit up my messages
i wont lie, i havent seen wiki users take something this far before.
onyx river
Yeah, I looked at recent changes then just closed my browser
heady gulch
yeah, if anyone needs my help, the most i can do atm is rollingback edits n such. but. all this going on is too much for me to handle
agile spindle
just ping me if another one pops up
molten tree
@heady gulch Sorry for the late reply. I was asleep when you pinged me. I see they've already been taken care of locally on the wiki, but those accounts are now also globally blocked. Thanks for keeping an eye on it!
heady gulch
heyya, yeah thanks for handling it! seems like every week there's something new going on
molten tree
Life of a wiki :P
heady gulch
Is it really like that in most places?
these 3 months alone the wiki has racked up more bans than well, i think in the last year tbh
molten tree
I mean, this wiki does attract the YouTuber kid crowd, unfortunately
cinder kestrel
We could always tell Unknown Worlds to make Subnautica and Below Zero 18+ games. That should eliminate half of the YouTuber kid crowd.
cinder kestrel
40% will still focus on "the good times" and the remaining 10% will be kids who watch adult content.
So I guess that wouldn't fix anyhing.
stable helm
There are bonesharks in below zero right? It's because I can't find the page for them in the below zero wiki.
warm hound
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stable helm
That's weird, I saw them in some update videos of below zero.
onyx river
You may have seen the brute shark or cryptosuchus
warm hound
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ivory steppe
Bonesharks were removed as of the Deep Dive Update (November 2019) and replaced with Cryptosuchus'.
cinder kestrel
SuperWiki1 is another troublemaker. The user claims to be hacked and under the control of another user, but it's also possible the user was always an alt of the user or suddenly decided to help out the user--and @molten tree can probably figure it out with special powers, but I don't think it truly matters.
just ping me if another one pops up
@agile spindle This is also true.
Anyone up for a game of Which User can Block First?
molten tree
Blocked temporarily, I'm on my phone so I can't easily investigate but they've at least spammed
onyx river
Hey look, another one https://subnautica.fandom.com/wiki/User:Remember_if_I_cried_When_you-know-who_had_died
molten tree
Wiki Keepers, I've got two updates for everyone: https://subnautica.fandom.com/f/p/4400000000000101615
cinder kestrel
Would getting AbuseFilter added to the wiki help?
Or has whatever-you've-done ultimately solved the problem?
molten tree
I've stopped new accounts from being able to edit, move, or post in Discussions
We'll see how it goes
AbuseFilter doesn't work in Discussions, so this is the best we can do for Discussions without involving SOAP more directly
cinder kestrel
Since most of the bad accounts were new, that should be good.
I was thinking of something to the effect of "You try to add 1heHoverfishGen or any other keyword to an article, you get indefinitely blocked instead" with AbuseFilter.
cinder kestrel
I currently don't know anything about writing for AbuseFilter, so I can't help very much. This feels strange.
molten tree
Don't worry about that, I'll implement AF for you
heady gulch
my biggest worry is that its a small group of recurring users
the only names on the list are 1heHoverfishGen, and Seamoth whats his face. I know theres been a few others due to past spam attacks in comments on my own wall
but I can assure you most of these accounts are made up of less than 5 users likely
molten tree
Honestly I think it's just one guy
heady gulch
at the minimum it might just be 1heHoverfishGen and Seamoth, I know both are involved and I know both users are separate.
seamoth has made alts before on other wikis and to access this wiki and so has 1heHoverfishGen, ive seen both talk and act differently.
I know that 1heHoverfishGen isnt competent enough to pull of something like this alone.
this was from the deleted wiki. Of course Seamoth rejoined and onto my wall claimed he's "Changed and moved on" and subtly tried to deny the implication he had used alt accounts. Regardless though. they're all in on it together
this thing rivals the severity of the chubbychaser incident
(can dm for more info since i dont think the bot will be happy with the words i will use to describe him)
molten tree
Don't worry about it, I got the point
heady gulch
ye
weary sparrow
i wont lie, i havent seen wiki users take something this far before.
"We're devoted ;)"
Perhaps I should try to change my courses so I can become a postman.
heady gulch
who are you acting as a postman for?
cinder kestrel
I'm guessing it's the relaying of messages sent by--whichever user(s) we currently don't like.
heady gulch
probably.
weary sparrow
who are you acting as a postman for?
Heather
flat fog
Think I've found something interesting in the class file for the reaper leviathan. Coming into physical contact with it will contribute to its aggression level. As a reminder, when the aggression level passes a certain threshold the creature will attack. Not that it needs saying, but touching a reaper/ghost leviathan will make it even angrier lol.
I've been taking a deep dive into the game files. If anyone wants me to look for and post info about something specific, feel free to ask and I'll take a look.
heady gulch
do we have any up to date clean maps?
I'm having migraine reading all these "outdated clean maps"
so im just gonna, obliterate most of it.
heady gulch
seems about right then
modern hinge
do we have *any* up to date clean maps?
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heady gulch
Ask the one who found the maps not me
modern hinge
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cursive vigil
do we have *any* up to date clean maps?
little wolf
this guy just copy and pasted the entire page https://subnautica-belowzero.fandom.com/wiki/Shadow_Leviathan?commentId=4400000000000044243
or at least an entire page
oak glen
yay i just spoiled myself a leviathan from below zero
wanting to look at wiki discussion
epic
little wolf
should've known that the wiki is the worst place to be if you don't want to get spoiled
heady gulch
going to the wiki isnt like there's a high chance of having it spoiled, its like inviting the spoilers in with open arms because they are everywhere.
oak glen
i didnt expect much activity on bz tbh
cinder kestrel
Why wouldn't the Below Zero wiki have much activity?
gritty cove
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There are slight differences in the Biome locations. I'm the one who added all the "outdated" tags to the maps, but kept them there for historical reasons.
gritty cove
do we have *any* up to date clean maps?
The dates were on the maps and I had them ordered. Is there a location on the wiki to possibly archive older maps? It feels sad just having them gone.
This person is added poorly drawn cave maps to various pages. While I can understand they feel they are helping, I think they are of too low quality to keep on the pages.
https://subnautica.fandom.com/wiki/User:MapALLtheTHINGS
heady gulch
IF you want to make a blog post or something I reccomend you do it and store it there. mostly because due to the very strong similarities between most the maps, the abundance of numbers, it comes off more as clutter than any thing.
Yeah i undid their works. are they doing it on BZ wiki?
gritty cove
Oh, I was clicking on the dates of the revisions, not the current versions. Thanks for removing those. I'm not sure if they are doing it on the BZ wiki.
gritty cove
IF you want to make a blog post or something I reccomend you do it and store it ...
In that case I can remove several maps from the Crater Map page. I don't have the time to compile all the maps, I suppose they aren't deleted from the wiki, so if someone really wants to know they can always find them.
cinder kestrel
So I think I stand for everyone on the wiki when i say this
What about users who have no idea what's going on?
heady gulch
well, crap yeah i didnt think about that, my message had a moderately salt fueled tldr of everything that went on.
not even too long didnt read because it was pretty long
I should have said " I think i stand for everyone on the wiki who knows about whats going on"
TLDR version:
spam attacks, insert false info into pages, spamming on my wall, ignoring warnings, ignoring the rules, severe ban evasion. making separate wikis to defame users, myself included.
and then SOAP had to get involved.
heady gulch
Thanks for the backup @molten tree also sorry if i got a tad emotional in my original response. by the time I was reading I was barely awake and irritated by all going on
molten tree
No apology necessary
I think I speak for Fandom when I say that these guys are assholes 😛
heady gulch
yeah.
out of curiosity, is there only thing on fandoms end that can be done to hold them off for a while?
molten tree
I'm already doing some of it
heady gulch
gotcha, thank you
molten tree
Is any of this happening on Below Zero? I haven't put protections in place there yet
heady gulch
I dont think so but, to be safe there might need to be some protections implemented there.
I don't think we'd need to fly these decisions by tueman or the other admins.
molten tree
I'd rather not if unnecessary. I'll keep an eye on things, let me know if it becomes a problem
heady gulch
they seem pretty hellbent on subnautica wiki but, i have the feeling they havent really figured out below zero wiki, either that or they just arent interested in it yet. I do have a nagging feeling at some point they're going to try to move over and act like because they were banned on on wiki it wont carry to the next and stir trouble that way.
molten tree
I did remind them that all of this goes against our sitewide policies