📚wiki-discussion

[remote leaf]

it's early access so leave for now

but if they never get one on full release, then we follow what the SN and BZ pages did

[agile spindle]

Then, does this plateaus flora get a page?

using its code name or whatever we decide on

[remote leaf]

find its name and get a render for a page

[summer kindle]

well it doesn't have a temp databank even

if it doesn't..

[late island]

If you're able to get enough info about it I'd say it's fine to have for now. otherwise it's probably a case where we can wait and see if it gets anything official

[summer kindle]

it is strange that it doesn't have an entry it's a very bright and prominent thing

[solar totem]

It's quite prolific in the caves, yes

[agile spindle]

yeah that plant is everywhere

in the caves

[summer kindle]

relative of the shootroots maybe

[solar totem]

that was my first thought as well

[remote leaf]

Plateau Caves Flower 03

[summer kindle]

Yeah if we've only got a name like that I don't think we should go for it

[agile spindle]

i dont see any sign of a databank for it

[solar totem]

So reading the Lifeforms page, it pulls from things that have their own page so even if I were to make an Unknown Lifeforms parking page it wouldn't make it to the table.

Or is that important?

[late island]

Such a page could potentially be useful

[solar totem]

OK. It's a good place to start

[jade solstice]

seriously--- the person redoing the Jubliee info unlinked a character, delete some sections and then linked a reddit threat as sources for information....

i need whiskey gimme a sec

[agile spindle]

yeah but they wrote a pretty good summary of the jubilee lore

[jade solstice]

yeah buit seriously...reddit

[agile spindle]

thats true

unfortunately we havent really set up citations for databanks yet

[jade solstice]

and they used reddit as links for characters being part of the faction, not for the lore

that info is literaly in blackboxes

[remote leaf]

[jade solstice]

they linked a fan made timeline on reddit for characters involvement in a faction

[late island]

oh that's

[jade solstice]

i think ill not be sober if they continue

[agile spindle]

we can just remove the citation

i double checked the info and what they wrote on the page is accurate

[jade solstice]

im not mad at the info

im mad that they removed my section, unlinked Anita for no reason and used a reddit timeline as a source for characters

and then they added Mel to the Jubilee list with the source / reason being listed as "likely"

[agile spindle]

well it is likely ;p

they're close with Iso and Iso is with Jubilee

[jade solstice]

id agree with it being possible if itv wasnt the same reddit timeline source

and without proof its just a theory

christ this person made me drink Whiskey straight from the bottle

[vague marten]

imo it's plenty fine to make pages for things even if they don't have proper names yet - like on vsw there isn't any kind of bestiary in vampire crawlers (spinoff game) giving enemies names (yet? idk) so we're using internal enemy ids as their page names (https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Crawlers:Enemies) which does look a bit messy, but i think having pages that can be filled in by other editors (especially anon, who can't create pages but can edit them) can be really useful

[summer kindle]

difference being that these are interactable parts of the game in the case of VS

but yeah

A collected page like that could be fine

[agile spindle]

having its own page makes for a good place put pictures of it and maybe observations/trivia

[late island]

yeah. there's not really much of any gameplay information for a lot of the unnamed background life

[vague marten]

yea just depends whether you even want to document regular unscannable scenery objects or not

[summer kindle]

I feel like once you open that box there's a whole lot of pages you suddenly have to create

[solar totem]

[[sn2:Minor Lifeforms]]

[late island]

and more importantly figure out what to even put on said pages

[solar totem]

One day I'll get it right : https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Minor_Lifeforms

[late island]

Maybe "Unnamed Lifeforms" would be a better name

[summer kindle]

Yeah

[solar totem]

Works for me. Just riffing off what Terranhawk mentioned earlier.

[remote leaf]

I prefer minor lifeforms in the chance we have a name in the files but nothing else

[late island]

hm

there has to be some better word

[remote leaf]

well, it is just what we use currently

we would have to change it on SN/BZ Wiki as well

[late island]

"Unscannable Lifeforms"?

[agile spindle]

Unscannable

[remote leaf]

that also works

[solar totem]

Great. I'll move it

[late island]

or dataless or something

data-poor/minimal even

minor just feels very non-descriptive comparatively

[jade solstice]

relinked the character, removed the reddit links and readded the removed locations with a source for Sleep Bay 3

[solar totem]

Moved the page to https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Unscannable_Lifeforms until someone comes up with a better name

[vague marten]

unfortunately i think the wiki bot linking is limited to wiki keeper role

[solar totem]

Alas

[jade solstice]

anyways gotta work my way up Le Ranks again- gotta do more alterra stuff

[agile spindle]

speaking of ranks, all of the pioneers have ranks/pay scales/access level right? could add an infobox label for that

[jade solstice]

yeah but keep in mind thats formerly, Mongolian Free States, for alterra we have like 1 rank mentioned on 1 pioneer

[agile spindle]

no the kurul access codes come up a few times

kurul being the leadership rank

[jade solstice]

but yeah SN2 can use a Pay rate section for infoboxes because everyone has one listed (but all pay scales are listed as defunct Mongolian Free States info)

as the Free States (also called Independent States) dissolved

if you wanna know why they dissolved play Natural Selection 2 and imagine you are a civilian and see those creatures

SN2 confirms that the fighting seen in NS2 takes place the Mongolian Settlements of the Ariadne Arm

SN2 mentions it being dug up in a mining facility and both wikis mention the first known outbreak of that strain being on Freya IV

[summer kindle]

that's from Natural Selection II but it might be inconsistent with new stuff

[jade solstice]

meaning Alterra and the Subnautica strain are not related to the outbreak in the Mongolian states, it was just that the newly discovered strain infected colonists

what was the prob year the Cicada launched again?

[summer kindle]

2195 or later

[jade solstice]

but yeah it is nice lore we got

[summer kindle]

the biolab entry says the tragedies on 4546b and "Rakshasa" which is new.

[jade solstice]

i mean we now know that the Cicada Pioneers fled from the very Strain that caused the fights in NS2

Rakshasa being seperate along side 4546b sounds like that one was the original strain from SN1 while the rest was the NS2 strain (which was the one originaly meant for SN1 as well based on the cut Kharaa colors for it)

so they chose to explain how it turned from green to more brown by making it seperate strains, which the brown one being far more dangerous

correction
we know 3 Kharaa strains not 2

the Original, the very old one frozen in Sector Zero and the one from NS2 / mentioned in SN2

[summer kindle]

@solar totem https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Acid_Raion
When you’re able could you add pictures of the Raion spewing acid, and also one of what is left over when all the pouches and gel sac removed

Thanks a lot for all the images you’ve added so far btw

Damn why are blue Pents so insanely bright lol

[brittle rover]

I just found this in a youtube comment (from this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAzbcZDGu38)
User @DocViviLeandra says:

It's Subnautica 2's science advisor here in your comments section again, and I'd like to point out some fun science stuff you might have missed:

• The Proteavirus is like nothing on Earth - it uses RNA as a storage material and seems to operate like a retrovirus, but has 1.4 million bp of RNA (several orders of magnitude more than the largest Earth retroviruses) and seems to initiate its own ribozymatic activity (making it not really a "virus" at all, and seems to respond in some way to light patterns (which is why everything on Proteus is bioluminescent - in fact, light sorta plays a role in gene expression on Proteus in general). I actually wrote the doc on the Proteavirus, so I know more, but I can't quite share yet, lol

• Many (maybe even most) organisms on Proteus are genetically chimeric; different body tissues may actually have different genes and separate developmental origins. Organisms that appear to be symbiotic associations are often in fact such chimeras, reproducing together and evolving together as a single species. Life on Proteus blurs the lines between "individual organisms" and "separate species" in a way that may be observed in Earth bacteria, but not in more complex life here.
  ...

• Modified vinyls - similar to PVC, PE, or PP plastics IRL - are common biopolymers on Proteus, which is why you can't digest native life without adaptation - it's like trying to digest a plastic bag- Another basic biochemical difference is that the codons in Protean DNA are 4 basepairs long, instead of 3; this makes them a bit more resilient to random mutations caused by radiation, which is good because there is a LOT of radiation on Proteus

• Proteus's "corals" never developed the ability to synthesize their own mineral skeletons. The hard corals you see are actually a symbiotic associations between a coral and a sponge, similar to the association between a fungus and an algae that makes Earth's lichen

• Those sponges' mineral skeletons are actually made of hydrated silica (i.e. "opal"), like the frustules of diatoms, rather than calcium carbonate, because Proteus's ocean chemistry is not friendly to calcium carbonate. That's why you get quartz from them!

• Because Proteus lacks an equivalent of "plants", its soft corals have moved into more fully autotrophic niches as primary producers via photosynthesis (though the World Trees make up a huge chunk of Proteus's gross primary production)

[slim fog]

Is this a chat to discuss stuff about the game like what you suggest wise in terms of the game or just discussing the wiki fandom

[jade solstice]

this is the chat for the work on the wiki

[slim fog]

Ok- where would I go to say anything regarding that of like stuff regarding the game

[agile spindle]

#subnautica-2-chat

[slim fog]

Ok-

Guess that should’ve been obvious

Thanks

[vague marten]

just fyi, the wiki has moved away from fandom!
sn1/bz: https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn/
sn2: https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/

[late island]

This person would do great as a wiki editor

[jade solstice]

the Hardened Blade is funny to me a bit

its the prob only cut content we have that can still be listed as a thing in the lore because while we dont get to use it the Degasi logs make it still canon

though only for them and not for Alterra

[finite rock]

not really sure where this would go as trivia but i saw some of the databank entries mention 0xSEABEEF. This doesnt really make a lot of sense as a hex value because of the S, but it's probably a play on 0xDEADBEEF

[jade solstice]

ill check if the Degasi based are possible to build later today

if they are we can use the clean rebuild versions for the pages gallery to show what it looked like when it was intact

same for BZ and SN2 as good as i can

[jade solstice]

@agile spindle its obv but i still want you input
we can list the following on the Alterra pages right?
PRAWN suit Mk I and Mk II (as we have Mk III)
Aurora Cargo Bays 1 and 2 (as we have 3 and 4 for it)
Sleep Bay 1 and 2 of the Cicada (as we have 3 named)
and, added exactly like this to have it short, Lifepod holds 1 - 72 (as we see 73 and 74 in the intro wreck)

(id list the last one prob as a small note saying the Cicada at at least 74 Lifepods onboard but ill see what works best then)

@finite rock you sayd you diddnt like that seperate lifepods diddnt have pages on the old wiki, ill prob go and get to that soon and set up a page with some info for each that we know off

also added to the Lifepod 5 page that its also labled Escape Pod when interacting with the hatches

noticed that yesterday when playing my actual first real survival run as i usual do freedom or creative for research

but i felt like playing again

though on my Freedom save i grabbed every single deco item so ill actually check that we have them listed correctly

the AEP suit we wear, while seeming to be worn in the intro cutscene is according to the Lifepod PDA log part of the provisions on board

the pod comes with 2 of them, but because that suit is the base layer for the character and cant be unequiped or equipped they never show us the second one as it wouldnt make a diffrence

[solar totem]

Done

[summer kindle]

Thanks

[agile spindle]

@waxen plume We changed the Lifeforms table into a bucket because keeping the table consistent with individual pages tends to be out of date since people usually will only update one or the other

[waxen plume]

It's what I thought but the Lifeforms table is very general and doesn't have contextual pieces of information that could be great additions, and I didn't want to tweak the Lifeform table code as I'm unsure I'd achieve the same result

Yet, if you know how to add there parameters to the code of the Lifeform table, it's be poggers

[agile spindle]

It doesn't need to have very much information, the page is mainly for routing players to individual pages

what parameters were you thinking of?

[summer kindle]

In which case the species column probably isn’t necessary

but at the moment it isn’t really taking space from something else so it can stay

[waxen plume]

Uses: relevant recipes related to that species, biomod(s), the resource you get from harvesting that species (if applicable)

All under the same "Use" column

[agile spindle]

most of them would be blank unfortunately, i think we decided we didn't want to add a column where most of them don't have data

[waxen plume]

For example Water Slug would get Water + water retention biomod

[agile spindle]

also "Use" isn't something we put in infoboxes

since that just goes on the page

[waxen plume]

Ohh I see, I'd just think it'd be relevant to guide people to relevant related links

It was also because I felt this page was very long and I was trying to test through making individual tables if it'd allow some tables to sit next to each other (as I did in [Sustenance] and on the Tadpole Fragments map), so that we don't have to scroll forever

[agile spindle]

listing them side by side could be good, but that would probably involve removing even more information from the table

I'm going to revert the page back to the bucket tables because there are now a lot of blank spaces and missing data in the table

[waxen plume]

Is the "Species" a relevant piece of information? I actually don't know if other people value that outside of the page of the lifeform directly

The blank space is actually the space where I'd put another table tho so that the entire page is shorter

[agile spindle]

I would definitely be interested in having a more compressed version of the table that focuses on images instead of tons of blank space

[waxen plume]

I only know how to do that on customisable tables, not on a rigid table like that tho

[agile spindle]

yea I think the tables are defined in CSS

[waxen plume]

I don't even know if it's possible to customise the table alignment with that system

[agile spindle]

CSS is powerful stuff

[waxen plume]

I mean yeah, it's just my knowledge stops at wiki coding not CSS coding XD

[remote leaf]

I feel like spieces can just be put under the actual name as well

[summer kindle]

true yeah

If you’re gonna include it at all it doesn’t need its own column

[remote leaf]

Helps make the table smaller

[vague marten]

Could do tiles instead of a table, with just the image and name of each, if that'd be more what you'd be looking for (something like this layout https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Characters)

[agile spindle]

yeah I think that would look good

do we want any information under it still? I know we talked about how having biomes there wasnt all that useful

maybe attitude could still be good to list

[limber river]

oh man the poor sn1 wiki

[frigid sapphire]

#subnautica-2-chat message

Alright is the map on the wiki accurate or is this person right

[agile spindle]

I haven't looked into it myself but the person who made the map said they do follow a path, but they often bug out

[limber river]

why would you define the recipes inside the template lol

[agile spindle]

we didnt have Bucket at the time and most of us were not experienced with CSS/Lua

we did the same thing with Databanks lol

[limber river]

hurts my soul

those poor editors lol

[manic field]

Yeah, I'm slowly working on a plan on replacing this.

[limber river]

you bot replacing it? if not id be more than willing to help once you get the foundation in place

moving the recipe declarations back to the page, building uses in crafting template

the recipe template itself is honestly not so much the problem.. save that to bucket and ditch recipe2

[manic field]

Yeah, eventually I'll throw something together to replace the old syntax with the new template once it's done.

SlyAceZeta was actually working on a module replacement back in 2022, but then Fandom fired them and he had no reason to continue that.

The reason we never moved to using it, is because of how we have articles setup on the SN Wiki, where both games have their own page for the same item, e.g. Titanium (Subnautica) & Titanium (Below Zero), and a disambig page for Titanium.

The module would check for "page existence" by checking every page links edit protection expiry status, which would return a usable value if the page existed or not, but it's a very expensive parser function, so I never moved pages over to using it.

It was more expensive than the current setup.

[limber river]

oh yeah the current setup for sn2 barely costs anything

[manic field]

I threw around the idea of ditching all (Subnautica) pages and making those the default, and all below zero content will keep their (Below Zero) disambig thingy.

[limber river]

the page is cached until purged anyway

[manic field]

Yeah, which gets purged whenever a template that page uses is edited, or an edit is made to the page.

I actually went through the effort of pretty much finishing the data for all SN/BZ items on their respective module pages, [[Module:Recipe/BZ]] and [[Module:Recipe/SN]].

[willow vector]

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn/Module:Recipe/BZ
https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn/Module:Recipe/SN

[manic field]

Probably won't need that now though lol.

[limber river]

im assuming there are no buckets for the infoboxes as of right now

[manic field]

Nope, just basic modules replacing PortableInfobox usage.

[vague marten]

you don't really want to put all the data into a module like that typically - it hides it from regular editors who don't know anything about modules
i do plan on backporting the recipe stuff from sn2 to sn1, and i already have a module mostly made for it https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn/Module:Sandbox/User:Californ1a

[vague marten]

sn2 has a bucket for lifeform infoboxes, but none others yet, and no bucket usage on sn1 yet

[limber river]

yeah the recipe2 thing is terrible for someone that wants to edit a recipe

or god forbid add a new item into it

thankfully sn1 and bz are complete games now

[vague marten]

yea that's why i haven't really put too much time into backporting it yet, it doesn't necessarily need changing to be more easily editable since it's already all set/complete

[limber river]

i got sick just looking at it today cause im like there is no way its like this lol and it got worse the deeper i went

[vague marten]

here, have fun 😛 https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn/Template:Icon

[limber river]

i took great satisfaction in ripping out {{SubnauticaLink}}.. ripping apart this would be a huge improvement in orgazation and editability

if editability is a word

[manic field]

Yeah, which is why I never finished SlyAceZeta's work, and that's also why I didn't bother during the migration stage.

Because I realised Buckets would just be more efficient.

[limber river]

and had to have my plink template on sn2 lol

need that on every weird gloop wiki

[vague marten]

(tbh, this whole massive switch statement template could be replaced by having an infobox param for which bg the item uses, throwing that into a bucket)

[vernal cypress]

There are multiple paths

Looks like 4 different paths

[limber river]

cant that just live in recipe? do we need that anywhere else?

[vague marten]

i haven't really looked much into everywhere it's used so idk, if it's only used in recipes then yea just within recipe template would be enough, but if the icons are also used elsewhere you'd want it in the infobox for general usgage outside recipes

[limber river]

i also dont love the collapsibles

i think infobox just defines an image Template:Craftable

holy cow batman

also someone was in love with tabber and {{clear}} all over the place

kill it lol

but the icon create thing can be mostly css i feel like

there is no point in trying to make the page short like this. we have TOC and having like no content on the page until i expand it is annoying

i think fixing the icon creator thing and recipe is the first step

[remote leaf]

Don't look at the Cyclops page

[limber river]

oh no they are nested

dont do this to me

poor mobile users

[vague marten]

sn1 definitely needs like a big cleanup, removing collapsibles, tabbers, and reformatting a bunch of stuff to look a bit nicer on mobile

[remote leaf]

I SAID DONT

[limber river]

even the infobox on mobile is kinda excessive

im not a big fan of collapsibles and tabbers.

oh no Template:Databank2

sn1 is on a broken foundation

[vague marten]

tbh that one's probably an easier cleanup than recipe and icon stuff is

since it's just text, no item association between pages to lookup in a bucket query, just save/load the text

[agile spindle]

Could we get that on SN2 wiki as well?

[vague marten]

sure i can do that pretty easily on sn2 since it's already used individually on their pages

[agile spindle]

awesome

worth noting that there are multiple databanks with the same name sometimes

[limber river]

we should move the sn1 entries to the page though

why did they put bz on the same wiki though?

[vague marten]

are they on different pages, or multiple entries of the same name on the same page?

[vague marten]

afaik it was fandom staff decision

[frigid sapphire]

don't suppose you know them all lol

[agile spindle]

Multiple entries of the same name on one page, plus entries with no specific page associated with them

a lot of those cases are with Blackboxes

[remote leaf]

I think depth limit should just display default

It will help cut down a bit

[vague marten]

alright - multiple of the same name on the same page isn't great, but manageable... not having an associated page though is an issue - bucket's entirely based around data being associated with individual pages

[agile spindle]

an example of having no specific association would be the survival guide; it's given to you upon starting the game and exists only in the databank

[limber river]

i dont think it needs to live in bucket

very rarely besides the databank is it needed elsewhere

[vague marten]

yea, unless those need to be reused anywhere, it'd probably fine to just list those directly on the databank page and not store in bucket? or they could still be stored in bucket and just associated with the main databank page (defined on that page rather than an individual page)

that might be a bit confusing tho having some entries in bucket associated with the main databank page and the rest individually

[strong ermine]

How can i go into the alien tower

[agile spindle]

as long as we can still link directly to the databank that should be okay

[agile spindle]

heya, gameplay questions are better in #subnautica-2-chat

[vernal cypress]

This may or may not be accurate https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/User:Lenka/MapTests

does match tho

[limber river]

and why have Template:Spoiler and Template:Spoiler (BZ)

is there a difference?

[vague marten]

there was during fandom migration, we changed the css to make them match, but i'm guessing it originally existed on both the separate sn1 and bz wikis and fandom staff just appended (bz) to everything with the same names when they merged?

[limber river]

and things like Fauna are on the same page for both games but everything else doesnt

Vehicles too

it was done with icon too Template:Icon

everything for every page is in the template

massive switch statements

[chrome forge]

IIRC I did move most of it to css during staging

[vague marten]

anything look immediately wrong here? just dumped all entires into a bucket https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Bucket:Databank?limit=500&offset=0&title=Bucket%3ADatabank

[agile spindle]

looks good to me

what is the page_name_sub value?

[vague marten]

that can be used to differentiate multiple sub-entries on the same page in more complex cases

it's a default column added to all buckets, even if you're not using it

(as an example, a character in vs with multiple skins you can swap with the buttons above the infobox https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Diva_No._5 defines each skin's infobox individually as subobject rows in bucket https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Diva_No._5?action=bucket)

[limber river]

we should be able to replace recipe2 with recipe right? and we dont need main= im assuming

if the items are on seperate pages for the different games we dont need recipe and recipe (bz) correct?

[vague marten]

you'll need main for now with the current template or it won't assign categories i believe, but won't need it after the replacement module is finalized

and technically it'd still be good to have separate recipe and recipe bz, or a param for game in the recipe template, since you probably want to be able to refer to the item name independently without needing to manually append the (Below Zero) to match the page name

[limber river]

a getrecipe template can specify the game and find the right recipe off that by appending the right game? {{GetRecipe|Air Bladder|game=bz}}

[vague marten]

if the recipe template is either separate or includes a game param, yea

[limber river]

we know the game based off page name do we not?

[vague marten]

it could also automatically determine the game based on the page name if the page name has the game name in it, but not all pages do, so there should be a way to define it, either by separate templates or a param

eg https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn/Spy_Pengling is below zero

so you also can't just default to subnautica

[limber river]

oh like if you want to query all recipes

it may be good to have

[jade solstice]

hm? why would we have both games on one page tho?

[vague marten]

tho those would be on separate pages (and eventually, separate wikis)

[limber river]

and main= does add the crafted with categories but we can add that automatically right?

we wouldnt i was just putting them together to get the structure

[vague marten]

yea, since recipe template will only ever be used to define the recipe on that item's page, it can just add the categories by default, and the template to get recipes will be separate

[limber river]

do we need to update recipe template before we start converting stuff over?

lol

[vague marten]

yea, best to wait until i can finalize the recipe module backport

[limber river]

kk

move that to a module

[vague marten]

or you can take a copy of my sandbox and mess with it if you want, if you're familiar with lua and bucket (the bucket hasn't even been made yet) https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn/Module:Sandbox/User:Californ1a

i'm doing sn2 databank stuff right now

[limber river]

font-size="12" was very popular as well.

im removing it and getting rid of the small text

[vague marten]

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Template:GetDatabank if the params need to change in some way to select it differently, lmk, just went with page_name as the default and an optional additional name for now but if it ends up being multiple of the same name on the same page then it'll return both, and if you just want one i'll have to add a param for some kind of index selection later

[vague marten]

most the inline css should be removed tbh, or at least moved to templatestyles so it's easier to keep track of

[agile spindle]

we would need a way to select them individually i think. with the blackboxes example, their main page would be on the NPC page for that character but they would also be linked from the Databank page

and the categories ingame are pretty messy rn so they arent lumped together, although things like Blackboxes/Profiles share a name and go in diff categories too

[vague marten]

also noticed these btw - https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Hoverthorn & https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Black_Hoverthorn, the same one defined in both spots

[agile spindle]

yes - scanning either creature gives you the same databank entry

[vague marten]

are they separate creatures entirely, or should they be combined (eg https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Mirror_Halfmoon)?

[agile spindle]

they are separate

they've got separate items (you can pick them up and cook them) and different spawn locations

[vague marten]

hm, alright - just trying to figure out if it makes sense to only define the databank on one of the pages and query it on the other, or to individually define it on both even if it's the same entry

it's interesting the name of the entry is just hoverthron, but the image is the black hoverthorn - if both the name and img were one of them, then it'd make sense to only define it on one and query it on the other, but since it's a mix it's a bit more difficult to say one way or the other...
i could probably add a param to GetDatabank that would also store that entry in the bucket on that page as well as retrieve it from the other page, for cases like this

but maybe that's more confusing for editors than just manually defiining it individually on both?

[agile spindle]

what about a little edit button that takes you to where the information is written? like on navboxes

[vague marten]

yea something like that could work, rsw has these little links in the bottom right of some generated data tables, could do that

or, actually, could just make the name link to the page it's defined on

[agile spindle]

yea that would work

[limber river]

do these need spoilers?

[agile spindle]

no, in fact im pretty sure the plan was to phase out spoilers entirely

[vague marten]

alright, now the name links to the page it sourced the databank from - so idk which of these two it should be defined on, but the other can be replaced by GetDatabank and it'll link back to the definition page

[agile spindle]

awesome

[limber river]

we can generate this also

[agile spindle]

hmm, because we are listing all of the databanks found on the page when that page is called, it means we have to do things like this pretty often to avoid linking too many databanks:

mainly applies to locations where they have several databanks found there

[vague marten]

there's only one on that page, you don't need the second param

[agile spindle]

a better example is Axum Observatory, then

or Karakorum Power Plant

[vague marten]

would it be better if the first param was name rather than page name?

[limber river]

am i missing anything

[agile spindle]

i think so, i imagine this would still require filling out the page param if the first param doesnt exist as a page?

[summer kindle]

I had intended to split the Blood Kelp Zone page into two pages

at the moment they are split by a whole page tabber

[agile spindle]

remove spoiler template uses

[vague marten]

remove spoilers (just have the info on the page), and i think aeywoo is trying to merge all the infoboxes between sn1 and bz (tho, keeping the templates themselves separate and using the same module invoke)

[summer kindle]

at some point the whole Lost River page needs a major rework

it’s a mess

[limber river]

ok so Lost River / Cyclops / Blood Kelp Zone

need someone to look at them

im removing tabber from galleries and moving them to h3's

i dont think tabber plays nice with table of contents

[vague marten]

yeah page name would probably be required if there's multiple with the same name, though if there's some other way to differentiate them you can think of that'd probably be good, if there's eventually going to be multiple with the same name on the same page... could have an index param just take in a number instead of a page name param, but then if another one with the same name is made anywhere, all the one requesting that name would have to have their index checked to make sure they're still pulling the right one - if there's any other kind of key or id that could be stored in bucket on each of their deifnitions you can think of that'd be best... partial string match on the source maybe? idk

i'll swap it to name as first param tho

[agile spindle]

i will say that the only case the duplicate name thing seems to happen consistently is with blackboxes and profiles, which is just a name like "Anita" as the title

each colonist has exactly one profile and all of their blackboxes are numbered

except for... the two Blackbox - Unknown entries we have

which are found in the same location, name, and have no specific identifier in the text either really

could we just define a specific hidden name as a parameter when creating the Databank Entry and use that to call it from another page?

only in cases where it is absolutely necessary of course

[vague marten]

yeah, that can be done

something like |altname=?

[agile spindle]

yea thats perfect

[limber river]

bad image name abbreviation lol

[vague marten]

first param to GetDatabank now looks for any with altname matching it first, and then name if there are none

[agile spindle]

amazing 🙏

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Floor_Locker#Databank_Entry somethin strange on the GetDatabank call here

this is how it looks on the Wall Locker page where it is written

probably has to do with <nowiki> things we put around the asterisks to stop them from turning into bullet points

[vague marten]

yea it's the nowiki... tabbers and gallery do the same thing, it's because mediawiki preparses content inside those tags outside the regular wikitext parser and then replaces that uniq mess in the output after the wikitext parser runs, but if something slightly adjusts the formatting of that uniq string then it can't replace it with the inner content

there's probably a way to deal with it

[turbid basin]

Donate to my go fund me so I can get my friend a pc subnatica 2 runs on 5 frames a second url is https://www.gofundme.com/f/me-give-my-old-pc-to-my-friend-so-he-can-play-subnatica-2?utm_campaign=man_sharesheet_dash&utm_content=amp17_td-amp20_t1&utm_medium=customer&utm_source=youtube_shorts&lang=en_US&attribution_id=sl%3A244a6999-8bd4-4224-93f6-6a5526552407&ts=1779746253

[limber river]

lol no one put a size on the image for the infobox

[turbid basin]

Vine

[vague marten]

i think that was intentional?

[agile spindle]

yea thats intentional

[limber river]

rip

[agile spindle]

some plants are very tall and look bad in a box

automod shot me

[limber river]

thoughts on moving quote to bottom of prose?

[late island]

oh just for the record it's called "PlantPaddle"

if anyone did want to give it a name on the wiki

[agile spindle]

doesn't seem to be linking correctly, calling it with {{GetDatabank|altname}} or {{GetDatabank|altname|page}} just leaves a blank spot on the page

[vague marten]

the altname is null on those

[agile spindle]

oh, i added them tho

is this a refresh moment nope

[vague marten]

oh, i had a curly brace in the wrong spot

[remote leaf]

Oh good

Maybe one day we will get a Plant 03 though

[agile spindle]

awesome that fixed it 🙏 thank you so much for your work

[vague marten]

are there any databanks with lists, or are you always going to nowiki the *?

[agile spindle]

they sort of have lists like this but we never use bullet points, it's always numbers, hyphens or em dashes

[vague marten]

alright, then i'll just remove the nowiki tags before storing in bucket and replace any line starting with *, with the actual * character

[[sn2:Floor Locker]] should be good now, lmk if there's any other weirdness

[willow vector]

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Floor_Locker

[limber river]

@vague marten we will need Template:Uses item list on sn1 eventually as well

[vague marten]

yea that'll come with the recipe module

[vague marten]

add on to this porting documentation and dependencylist modules & converting all templates/modules to noinclude /doc rather than documentation template itself

[limber river]

@vague marten name probably doesnt need to be a wikilink right? can just be text?

[vague marten]

yea it shouldn't be

[limber river]

i think fragments and databoxes should be on the page and not in the infobox as well

[vague marten]

possibly, though a long infobox isn't really too much of an issue, just a bit on mobile but the infobox sections are collapsible on sn1 to help with that

[agile spindle]

it's the same as the recipe, though. why have it in the infobox if it'll be on the page in detail anyway

[vague marten]

yea if it is in both then it probably doesn't need to be

[jade solstice]

kinda wanna check how many Fragments on the map are scripted spawns (like the Seaglide at Lifepod 3)

[real heath]

Guys, where did the wiki get the data for the leviathan sizes from?
Such as Shiver Leviathan [Female] is 180m long which is astonishing... it doesn't feel like that in game.

[summer kindle]

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Leviathan_Class_Organism?diff=next&oldid=6193

Whoever “Logans0676” is added them

based upon sizes added to the pages by an anonymous contributor

I’m going to remove these.

I know the 180 metre figure for the shiver came from someone trying to measure the concept art

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Special:Contributions/~2026-AmoeboidSpinefishCrimson1814

this user added the sizes to the “description” field of the infobox on leviathan pages, which is not what that field is meant to be used for

And I’m unsure how accurate they are

I’ve removed it all now until I see verification for it

[waxen plume]

Does anyone have an idea how and where to write in CSS in the LifeformTable module to make the tables automatically aligned horizontally instead of just stacked on each other?

[real heath]

Yeah it was pretty inaccurate, Shiver male is only like 33-35m as I was estimating it in game.

[limber river]

the tables dont need to be horizontal.. vertical is perfectly fine

[unreal bluff]

how do you go about getting the ingame item icons for pages that has icons

[waxen plume]

It's not about need, it's about QoL navigation making the page more compact and less of a gigantic wall

[limber river]

There is a TOC for navigation

[summer kindle]

Well I’d like to see what Lacamiste has in mind

[agile spindle]

california and i talked about having them tiled like this https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Characters

just depends whether there's any information we'd want to keep from the tables

[waxen plume]

It does look clean and compact, it'd make it way easier and faster to navigate all the lifeforms actually

[waxen plume]

I'm trying to find out how to make it that way: https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Food, but here it's a template so it's not as easy

[summer kindle]

Ohhh I see

Well we can see the tiled approach first

And if we don’t settle on that we can work from there

[agile spindle]

@waxen plume instead of editing the template directly could I have you duplicate it and test it on your profile? You can create a subpage to test things out like here https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/User:Tueman/Sandbox

[waxen plume]

Yeah I tried to copy paste their code but it looks like it'd make it will be more complex than that. In the Source code in Vampire Survivors Characters, they have a template but they do add each character one by one

[waxen plume]

oh that'd be fab, I have actually been probing the entire wiki to find where I can create my own /doc and template xdd for testing

[agile spindle]

(you can make your own subpage at User:Lacamiste/Sandbox but I don't mind if you use mine ;p)

[waxen plume]

ooooooh thank you for the info

[finite rock]

Yeah it's really hard to figure out on your own that sandboxing isnt too bad (the normal sandbox module path i see is not intuitive at all)

[limber river]

Moved all the databanks for SN1/BZ so we can move those into Bucket really soon and then update the Databank page to use Bucket instead.

It does look like we will need two separate Buckets, one for each game and to keep them separate.

Some of the databanks were using wiki tables directly on the page instead of using the template so there were more than I thought

But should be done

[crude vigil]

hey yall. Can an admin export all of the assets/images in this page https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn/Subnautica_2 on the sn2 wiki to make them work on https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Subnautica_2#Renders

[agile spindle]

You should be able to re-upload the images

[crude vigil]

yh just wanted to know if you had a way of bulk uploading them as there is a lot of them

[agile spindle]

some of the concept art ones are already on there on the Concept Art page

you can upload multiple images here: https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Special:BatchUpload

[crude vigil]

ok ty

[agile spindle]

and youtube videos we handle different, there's an example of how to put them on a page at https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Update_History

tho not sure if itll work in a gallery i havent tried to do that anywhere yet

[vernal cypress]

What do we think about the ability to have gifs of rotating lifeforms preview?

[agile spindle]

would be pretty sick

[crude vigil]

how do you get them ?

do you datamine the game ?

[vernal cypress]

I make em

[vague marten]

Oh whoops I intended to do that yesterday but got caught up with the databank stuff and then messing with sn1 recipes a bit - I'll mess with this in a little bit

[late island]

woah that's a sick setup. nice!

[late island]

definitely something that'd be cool to have somewhere on the page regardless of where specifically it might end up

[remote leaf]

Minecraft mobs

[vague marten]

if possible you may want to slow it down a little and try to make it a seamless loop - you might also want to try mp4 rather than gif, short video tends to have a much smaller filesize and will load quicker than a gif

[vernal cypress]

Yeah this was just a test

[unreal bluff]

look at him go

[fluid vale]

Rotisserie collector leviathan

[jaunty solar]

we could also make a fake 3d effect like tf2 wiki does

where it goes through multiple sprites

rotated by certain amount

[vernal cypress]

yeah thats what i wanted to do

lot of shopping website are also implementing this

its pretty cool

[jaunty solar]

oh damn really

that would be very cool to have

since you control the rotation, not the time

[agile spindle]

is website performance pretty bad on firefox for other people btw? I noticed someone edited their personal css to have an anti background-blurring thing that apparently causes issues on firefox

[vague marten]

not that i know of, but we don't even really need the backdrop filter on anything anymore since we removed the transparency from the main background color

so that could just be removed

[agile spindle]

I only ask because I recognized the user https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/User:Mr_Pie_5/common.css and I have performance issues using firefox

[vague marten]

afaik, the only firefox issue with backdrop-filter was from 2 or 3 years ago, the property just wasn't supported if the browser couldn't determine your gpu vendor name, but that got fixed

i'll just remove it anyway, we aren't actually using it anymore

someone else will have to make this same change on sn1 https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/?title=MediaWiki%3AVector.css&diff=10207&oldid=8133

[vague marten]

how's this? https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Lifeforms

[agile spindle]

i think that looks really good

having the attitude on there is nice imo

[vague marten]

@jaunty solar if you want to mess with this go ahead https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Template:LifeformTable/styles.css

[summer kindle]

oh can someone remove the duplicate periscopic clowncrab from the Lifeforms table

The blue one that is

[agile spindle]

oh yea thats because the page has two infoboxes

just needs to be converted to how the Pelagic Ghost infobox is set up

[summer kindle]

Yeah it doesn’t need two infoboxes at all

[vague marten]

i can actually limit it to just 1 per page, so pages could use either way

[agile spindle]

it's interesting that the blue version has a separate image but no databank entry or item associated with it

[summer kindle]

It doesn’t have a separate image

someone made that one manually

[agile spindle]

oh so it's just a recolored image?

[summer kindle]

I thought it was but looking now this is actually a slightly different one

I thought it was this

but it’s different

And Dee uploaded this one

[agile spindle]

could still be an edit

[summer kindle]

I think so

[agile spindle]

the image size is different than the orange one

[summer kindle]

yes I was also puzzled by that

anyway do you think it would be beneficial to list things horizontally in boxes like that on biome pages

Or are we leaving as is

[agile spindle]

probably not, there is actually useful information on those tables

[summer kindle]

regardless we need to actually come to a decision on how we are laying out biome pages because there are a few differently formatted ones at the moment.

[summer kindle]

Oh I meant like list the creatures like that on the pages for each biome

[agile spindle]

oh

maybe, yeah. that might look good

we'd probably want to separate them by just Mobile and Sessile if we did that

[summer kindle]

At the moment we also have inconsistencies with how we are displaying resources

so we need to settle on one of these

[agile spindle]

i like the Plink format for resources

left image

[jaunty solar]

lifeform table?

what is that

[vague marten]

the cards on https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Lifeforms

[jaunty solar]

i have more stylized idea of it

but need to start over basically

[vague marten]

you should probably keep the outer container the same, just style the inner cards - you can't really change the html layout either without messing with lua

[jaunty solar]

they look too generic

honestly

ill just leave it as it is

personally

for now

[summer kindle]

They can probably be styled to make them look more subnautica

[limber river]

i have a few to fix but one step closer towards bucket... im using databank2 just until we have it up and running in bucket and then i get find and replace that with the GetDatabank call to pull from bucket

[agile spindle]

thats the biggest character diff ive seen

[limber river]

grok had to help write a regex to replace it lol

[limber river]

im assuming these interwiki tags at the bottom of pages for other languages are useless... we only have an english wiki now right?

[agile spindle]

yep

[agile spindle]

so we are using the Recipe template on for this page https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Metal_Farm to show the inputs and outputs but after testing in game, the output from the metal farm isnt always the same amount. However the Recipe template only takes numbers for the result count and putting "1-2" doesn't work. Should we just change these to a table?

[vague marten]

that reminds me i was going to make a {{Uses machine list}} module similar to the uses item list one - i can also change the recipe result count to support ranges

[agile spindle]

that works

[fluid vale]

does this need to be expanded?

i mean it is a transgov

[agile spindle]

needs punctuation at least

but yes, that page is extremely devoid of info rn

@vague marten could we have the databank entry template add a "Missing Databank Source" category to the page it is on if the source parameter is left blank? all of them should have a source or at least "Not Available"

[vague marten]

sure

in machine pages like https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Fabricator
which of those sections are in-game? are they devided into subsections like that in-game?

(it'd probably be nice to have a gallery on there with the ui examples)

[agile spindle]

they are sorted how the sections are laid out

ill show a pic one sec

the four bubbles on the left have a name when you hover them that corresponds with the headers on the page

the processor is a bit different and just has one menu with several sections

[vague marten]

alright, so for the uses machine list module to be able to sort it like that, either the individual recipes will need to have params for section and subsection, or the item infoboxes - i'm leaning toward putting it in the recipe since some items probably have multiple sources so defining them per-recipe is probably better

[agile spindle]

yea some items have a recipe in both the fabricator and the processor

[vague marten]

are section and subsection fine names for those, or do they have other names? in infobox the subsection looks to be listed as category right now

[agile spindle]

section and subsection are fine, i dont think theyre ever called anything

[vague marten]

now that i put some more thought into it, the uses machine list might be a bit too complicated, considering section/subsection ordering - if the order didn't matter and it could just be sorted alphabetically then that'd be fine but i expect those item lists are probably better kept in the order they are in-game... so what i might do instead is make a smaller module that can be put into each subsection, takes in the item list, and returns a table for just those items

[tranquil ridge]

does he respawn guys

[remote leaf]

Leviathans dont respawn

Also this chat is for the wiki

[tranquil ridge]

mb

[bitter pasture]

hey. you guys are missing quite a few databank entries on sub2.

do you want a vid of me going through mine? or you just not gotten to putting on the site yet.

[agile spindle]

Hi, yea it's mostly a manpower thing. I've been putting them in slowly but it's a lot of work. Would you want to try adding some?

[bitter pasture]

yeah probably cant help actually adding.
I've done the wiki thing before, and I don't really have that kinda time to dedicate at the moment.

[agile spindle]

no problem! any little bit helps. A video could be useful if it's easy enough to make - we have a few editors who haven't been able to play yet

[limber river]

its on my backlog to work on some of it but working a bit on SN1/BZ wiki cleanup atm

but anyone is more than welcome to work on it before me

[bitter pasture]

https://youtu.be/KZ74ipWtKMk

there you go, once it finishes uploading

from my internet scouring of what there is, should have everything except the jack sponge

(which you already have anyway)

and possibly a Mogami Colonist entry. but i only saw that on one site, and there is a blackbox entry so..

anyways hope that helps, i know from experience how much it can help speed just to have an offline refrence

[agile spindle]

thanks! yea it'll be very good to have an accessible source for these

[vague marten]

alright, this can be used now https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Template:Machine_recipe_list
https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/?title=Fabricator&diff=10330&oldid=8681

the recipes listed on https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Metal_Farm will have to be moved to their products' pages instead of being listed there, for them to be inserted into bucket and made queryable

[agile spindle]

thanks! will do that

[vague marten]

oh i guess i should probably also add the result count to it as well

[agile spindle]

@limber river the databank entry for atacamite isn't a stub, it matches the ingame entry

[limber river]

oh its just empty?

[agile spindle]

yep

[limber river]

why unknown worlds

@vague marten the table sorting doesnt seem to work on it

for product name anyway

[vague marten]

which table specifically?

[limber river]

Machine recipe list just the product column doesnt have the right data for sorting

and the items column can probably be made unsortable

[vague marten]

the item column sorts by total count of the items, sure it could be unsortable but it's not like the little sort arrows get in the way of anything

[limber river]

oh ok thats fine

[vague marten]

the products was also sorting by item count, but i'll probably change that to alphabetic by the name of the first product (if there's ever multiple products)

[limber river]

in was clicking it and it didnt feel like it was doing stuff lol

[vague marten]

i could probably have an override in the case where all items in the list are 1, to change it to sort by alphabetic by the first item

(eg [[Metal Farm]])

[willow vector]

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn/Metal_Farm?action=edit&redlink=1

[limber river]

@vague marten for SN1/BZ i noticed we are going to need different buckets for the databanks and stuff. the entries can use the same name but have different descriptions across the games. some are exact or similar but its not always the case.

[vague marten]

using one bucket is fine, just having a game field in the bucket is good enough to differentiate them

[limber river]

like [[Metal Salvage]] for example

and you can fill that in based on either {{Databank}} or {{Databank (BZ)}} right?

[vague marten]

yeah, it can just fill in the game field in bucket different for each of the templates, though ideally both templates would invoke the same module if it gets ported to lua, or they should be combined into just 1 wikitext template and it takes in a game param, so you aren't needing to maintain the actual formatting functionality of the template in both

[limber river]

i think having two templates calling the same module right now is the easiest

that way we dont really have to change anything

the getbucket call you will be to specify which game right? and it either finds it or doesnt

[vague marten]

yea - alternatively if you didn't want to port to lua you could do something a bit janky and re-pass all the individual args from the bz template into the regular one.... replace bz with something like:

{{Databank|name={{{name|}}}|description={{{description|}}}|source={{{source|}}}|game=bz}}

[limber river]

haha

[bitter pasture]

ok its done

[vague marten]

essentially doing the same thing a #redirect in the template ns does, but also injecting the game param alongside it

[agile spindle]

it says it is private

[limber river]

@vague marten like this? https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn/Bucket:Databank

and then call the databank template from the bz one?

i have to fill the game field in though

oh i got things switched around

[vague marten]

yea i think you might have messed up some braces somewhere

machine recipe list now sorts the item column by the name of the first item if the total count of items is all 1 in every row

otherwise it'll sort by item count

[limber river]

will that work now?

@vague marten pass along like this?

[vague marten]

you need the | after each variable

[vague marten]

yup

(that'll make it pass an empty string if the var is empty, doing it without the pipe would pass the whole string {{{name}}} as the input if it was empty)

also i fixed your image param saving to bucket, it was saving without the File: ns

[limber river]

its not putting in bz in bucket hmm

it is putting in there.. i thing my default is messing it up lol

[vague marten]

it is

[limber river]

oh

[bitter pasture]

sorry should be fixed

[agile spindle]

thanks!

[agile spindle]

@summer kindle could be particularly useful for you

[vague marten]

@limber river i copied over the getdatabank module, if you've got time to go through all the uses to make sure it doesn't break anything you can replace databank2 with:

<includeonly>{{#invoke:GetDatabank|main|game=sn}}</includeonly><noinclude>{{Documentation}}</noinclude>

and databank2 (bz) with:

<includeonly>{{#invoke:GetDatabank|main|game=bz}}</includeonly><noinclude>{{Documentation}}</noinclude>

i also stuck some (probably temproary) categories in there Multiple Databank entries found and No Databank entries found so it should be a bit easier to find any issues

[limber river]

thank you

[vague marten]

lmk if anything needs fixing in the module, and we can always just revert the template to the big switch statement one if something catastrophic happens lol

[limber river]

when i preview the page im getting duplicates lol

[vague marten]

it's probably defined on multiple pages

i could limit the output to just the first one, and only put the category on rather than display all of them

now it's just outputting the first one

(but still assigning the category if it found multiple)

[limber river]

those ones i need to fix i guess

[vague marten]

i made that not show an error, just assign the category, but yeah - that's because it found no entries with that name

[limber river]

alright nothing crazy.. ill fix those ones up before changing the bz one

[vague marten]

i added some text above the entry output if there were multiple found, if that makes it easier to go through those

[limber river]

apparently 85 to fix lol

[vague marten]

some of those you might just have to copy from the old template page history onto the main databank page, if there's no other better page to define them on

ideally they'd go on individual pages if they have them

whenever you're done if you want to get rid of the categories, just remove lines 52-57:
https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn/Module:GetDatabank#L-52--L-57
(and the cat.. part on 68, leave just return db)

[limber river]

ok

yeah i mean the wiki needs some work lol

[vague marten]

gonna take a break, but ping me if you need anything

[limber river]

no worries im just chipping away

[vague marten]

yea i figured 😛

[waxen plume]

hot damn looking clean ggs

[summer kindle]

yeah I’ll take a look in a bit thanks @bitter pasture

[limber river]

is there a good reason these are grouped together on the same page on SN1 wiki? I could split these out now and create a disambig page in its place.

[summer kindle]

Yeah I have been intending to split them

[crude vigil]

is the map broken or smth?

[summer kindle]

where are you looking

[crude vigil]

wrecks

before we add some waypoints now nothing

[summer kindle]

hm yeah not displaying anything for me either

none of the maps are displaying waypoints for me

[crude vigil]

weird, both map template nor wrecks pages have been edited

[summer kindle]

unfortunately I have no idea how the map pages work so I'm just gonna have to wait until someone who does know is online

[summer kindle]

I'm turning dead coral crab into its own page

same way that the Sea Dragon and Reaper skeletons have their own page

generally I go by everything that has a unique databank entry getting its own page

where is dead coral crab placed in the databank

wait i have a video to find this out now

ok just under coral crab

[deep shard]

the zezura poster from what I've seen can only be found in the starting sleep bay area correct?

so its basically locked from survival for now

but can you scan it if you use commands to give yourself a scanner or something still?

like is it completely impossible or is it just unreachable currently

[peak birch]

Do you mean Welcome to Zezura? Pretty sure I scanned it in the Welcome Center

Also I think the wreck you start in is accessible by swimming all the way down to it

[deep shard]

nope not that one

[peak birch]

Oh, what does the other one look like then?

[agile spindle]

I'm unsure why but every map that uses JSON data suddenly doesn't work

[deep shard]

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Zezura_Poster

this one

[peak birch]

Oh I see

[tardy sequoia]

Does one of the admins perhaps know what happened to the map template?
it seems like none of the pins are displayed anymore and the category selection isn't visible either
example would be https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/User:Nubody, but this applies to all maps defined via .json

[agile spindle]

I noticed that too, I'm not sure what changed for that to happen. I was planning on asking @vague marten when they were online

[tardy sequoia]

ah well, thank you

the template itself doesn't seem to have changed at all

[limber river]

its the gadget but i dont have permissions on that https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/?title=MediaWiki%3AGadget-maps.js&diff=10323&oldid=8363

[agile spindle]

@tight harness could you take a look?

[tight harness]

this should be fixed now, sorry about that

[agile spindle]

thank you! 🙏

[manic field]

This change might be useful to port over to the GTA Wiki.

If they are or would encounter the same situation.

Ah, you already did that. Lol.

[summer kindle]

We really need to settle on biome names

because between the different maps and the wiki pages itself we have a variety of different biome names in use

[agile spindle]

I feel like what we have on the Biomes page is pretty solid, except I don't really know what the Lead Zone is supposed to be

and we might need to nail down our classification of biomes/micro-biomes/points of interest/etc because its quite muddled atm

[vernal cypress]

Its near a wreck where all the lead deposits spawn :3

[agile spindle]

okay lol

hard to call that a full on biome but maybe more of a micro biome like the needler nest

[limber river]

i get distracted easily and work on seemingly random stuff but hey its all on my list of things

[vernal cypress]

They call them regions

[agile spindle]

in the game files?

[vernal cypress]

• CoralGardens
  • Graveyard
  • Leadzone
  • NorthRaceway
    etc

yes

[agile spindle]

if we want biomes to adhere to what the files say then theres a lot of changes that'd have to be made

for example we've been just considering the crab area as part of the shallows

[vernal cypress]

Shallows is part of CoralGardens

[agile spindle]

yeah

pretty sure NorthRaceway is the Coral Crab area

[summer kindle]

yeah this is what I’m referring to

One of the most popularly used maps uses internal names that are very different to the ones we are using

at this stage we should probably settle on the internal names

[limber river]

Also idk if it applies here but for biomes I like adding a aka param to show the 'Also known as' name on the infobox. sometimes things go by two names

like i added Crater Edge to have a 'Also known as: The Void' on the SN1 wiki

[agile spindle]

another thing is this whole area is considered two different biomes internally

but on the wiki, everything in both areas, including the caves under it are all on the Graveyard page

@vernal cypress are caves considered a different region than their surface counterpart?

[vernal cypress]

Gonna make a ordered list

[summer kindle]

those are two different things

[limber river]

Sorry I meant crater edge

[vernal cypress]

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/User:Lenka/BiomesAndRegionsAndPOIs

[agile spindle]

ig the graveyard is one big biome then actually

[kindred obsidian]

in the live q&a, Artie described the sections as Regions, Biomes, and Sub-Biomes

[agile spindle]

did they give an example of a sub biome?

[kindred obsidian]

I don't believe he gave a specific example but they have talked about it a bunch

[agile spindle]

in lenka's list it just goes from Biomes to Points of Interest, putting things like Needler Nest and seabases in the same classification

[vernal cypress]

If you need pictures: https://app.filen.io/#/f/3380e29a-b698-462e-9f73-8de275c9ac38%23W5e0wdAoL9Pc9OgAGtJic4OHi05TqI6k
but please note that its early dev

[agile spindle]

not sure how we would be able to split up biomes into sub biomes without it really being defined in any way

[vernal cypress]

Nowhere in the game files says Sub-Biomes, Its Biomes->Regions->POIs

[agile spindle]

If we want to go by this list, the wiki isn't actually too far off.

• I don't know what "Blighted Coral" is. Could refer to Shallows areas with Bloom in them but probably shouldn't classify biomes based on temporary Bloom
• NorthRaceway and SouthRaceway are considered part of Shallows on the wiki. We would need to figure out what the difference is between these two, but they may be mergeable into a single page
• No idea what "CollectorLeviathanRegion" is if Sparse Plains is also listed there
• Deep Start can probably afford to have a page
• Need to clear up POIs vs micro biomes. Maybe ditch the micro biome thing entirely and just separate things based on natural POIs and wrecks
• Most of the stuff in the Sparse Plains region seems to not be accessible in game
• I see zero mention of the Metal Farms

[vernal cypress]

Blight is codename for Bloom

[kindred obsidian]

yeah idk what they are in the files, if that's strictly what you're going by then maybe sub-biomes isn't relevant, it's just how they've talked about it publicly

[agile spindle]

yeah but the "BlightedCoral" biome wouldnt be blighted anymore if you clear the bloom up

[late island]

lots of cool looks at early biome fog at least

[spare mango]

I love how murky the water in subnautica 2 is

[spare mango]

wait is this before the current release of subnautica 2?

[agile spindle]

they seem to be early dev pictures yea

[spare mango]

has the fog been reduced since then or retained?

[late island]

It's certainly been changed a lot. here's what all of those five areas look like now

[spare mango]

it seems for the more blue shallow areas they've dramatically reduced the fog right?

the earlier photos seem more in line with how water realistically works whereas the latter seem better suited for gameplay

[late island]

I also find that the old fog there seems better suited for shots looking at the seafloor, while the current fog shines most when underwater looking up towards the surface

[spare mango]

I sort of disagree because I'd actually greatly prefer it if when say 100 meters underwater the surface were not visible

I deeply enjoy that feeling of being in an underwater void even during daylight

in general I think the thicker fog just looked better and gave a better feeling of being underwater but I suppose after playtesting it was changed for a reason

[late island]

oh I wasn't talking about the visibility of the surface itself, just the way things are lit or shadowed when you look upwards

[stuck pawn]

Mornin

[stuck pawn]

<@&192900629797142528> check the ghost ray page for a surprise!

[wheat plaza]

Nom nom ?

[summer kindle]

Just how I wanted them to sound

[wheat plaza]

BIP

WE DID YOU SPOILED ME

Sound very good

[fickle delta]

lol nom nom

[stuck pawn]

?

[fickle delta]

nice job @cursive vigil

👍

@onyx flower can you give this man a Wiki Keepers tag?

he's been doing great contribs to the wiki

[lapis drum]

yeah sounds good

[stuck pawn]

GG

Yay somebody appreciated my edit

[lapis drum]

sorry misclick

[stuck pawn]

Fug u

[heavy plaza]

What's the edit?

[fickle delta]

he's been adding the navbox

[frosty flower]

Anyone got a depth map?

I got lost in a cave

[heavy plaza]

😦

[lapis drum]

hah that's why the dive reel was added

[errant vault]

Who ever made that map thank you 👍

[heavy plaza]

?

What map?

[lapis drum]

biome map on the wiki I'm assuming

and he doesn't go on here afaik

[errant vault]

there's a new map on the wiki

as of the prawn update

[heavy plaza]

Oh yeah, I saw that

[errant vault]

I've been waiting for one, and this one is way more detailed too

[heavy plaza]

Wait, where is it?

[wheat plaza]

Saw that too yes.

[errant vault]

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/subnautica/images/1/1d/Subnautica_map2.png/revision/latest?cb=20160829200132

[heavy plaza]

Yeah, it's not in the biomes page

[wheat plaza]

Mapping subnautica ?

[heavy plaza]

Oh xD

[lapis drum]

fellas, we got work to do

@final oxide Can you do screenshots?

[grizzled tinsel]

Yes! The more fragments that get models the merrier! I am sick of those damn grey boxes!

Lol, I havent seen that before. The whole Obraxis Prime thing

[final oxide]

@lapis drum Sorry, I was napping. Still a little groggy. Is that the Seaglide? Still tneed the shots?

[lapis drum]

Yeah, there's a list of new fragment art on the wiki, lemme get it

[final oxide]

Please and thank you.

[lapis drum]

Seamoth, Cyclops, Seaglide, Propulsion Cannon, and Stasis Rifle Fragments,

Seamoth/Cyclops should already have pics

If you find any other fragments with art we'll need those too

[final oxide]

Rodger. I assume Cyclopse and MOth are the models that have existed for a little bit already?

[lapis drum]

yep

One picture of each fragment is fine

[final oxide]

Okay. I asssume you want the natural frags and not spawned

[lapis drum]

Upload it but don't put it anywhere yet, I'll have to add a section to the fragments list

Spawned is fine

Though natural would be better, but I had trouble finding fragments earlier

The one I have up there ^ was the only one I found

[final oxide]

I'll see if I can find them naturally. I know prop gun is in the Aurora

And you have the glide, so it's jus tthe rifle and the cannon

[lapis drum]

Mine has HUD on so we need that too

[final oxide]

Oh. Duh

xD

So how do I upload without adding to the gllery. I've always just added the pictures straight to it

[lapis drum]

http://subnautica.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Images

[final oxide]

Okay. I'm off to find the fragents

[lapis drum]

This link is in the On the Wiki bar at the top too

you should look at those, some are useful

[final oxide]

Useful how?

[lapis drum]

It has links to helpful pages

[final oxide]

Ooh. Okay.

[final oxide]

Should I take two pictures? One for the Fragments list and one for the Tool itself?

[lapis drum]

Just fragment

[final oxide]

Ok

Pictures are uploaded

[lapis drum]

Thanks alice 😃

[final oxide]

No problem! Anything else?

[lapis drum]

For now I think we're good

I'll notify you if anything is needed

[final oxide]

Understood.

[lapis drum]

<@&192900629797142528> The table on the fragments page isn't large enough to fit pictures as well. Anyone have ideas as to where we could put them?

http://subnautica.wikia.com/wiki/Fragments

[grizzled tinsel]

Can't you just shrink the size of the pictures? Well i guess the quality wouldn't be good enough for a wiki then...

[lapis drum]

If I shrink it to a size that'll fit on the page, you can't even make out what's in the picture

Adding pictures DOES add a scroll bar, but it's at the bottom and inconvenient to use

[final oxide]

Apparently Nuclear Reactor and Battery Charger frags have models too. I'm gonna screen shot and upload them as well

[heavy plaza]

@wheat plaza 😛

[wheat plaza]

wat

[heavy plaza]

You know what day is it?

[wheat plaza]

Last holiday day ?

[heavy plaza]

xD

It's time to pick up you're lovely little baby :3

[wheat plaza]

Later

I'm busy

[heavy plaza]

:/

It's oke 😃

[heavy plaza]

<@&192900629797142528> also, somone vandalized the aurora page and wrote f*nugget

I'm un-doing the action

[wheat plaza]

Alright

[final oxide]

Lovely people

[heavy plaza]

Name and shame

@wheat plaza can I pm you?

[wheat plaza]

yeah

Always

[heavy plaza]

BOSS 😛

Also

WHAAAT? <@&192900629797142528> somone explain pls 😃

[wheat plaza]

Who done that ?

[heavy plaza]

Some random guy, by the name: Kixelated

He has been editing alot of pages lately.....

[final oxide]

You can just deconstrust. Breaking a base with floaters down't cause the building to be destroyed. Just flooded

[wheat plaza]

Yeah

[heavy plaza]

Yeah, so should I un-do this action?

[wheat plaza]

No

Keep this

[heavy plaza]

Oke

[wheat plaza]

It's okay I think

[final oxide]

?

But it's not. They don't destroy bases

[heavy plaza]

They just flood ^^^^

I wanted to add with @final oxide

[wheat plaza]

Oh, yes

[final oxide]

Let me do it. I haven't edited anything today.

[heavy plaza]

@final oxide oke 😉

[wheat plaza]

Rycart, my yellow screen is what was added

Your is the green screen

[heavy plaza]

what?

😛

[wheat plaza]

See

[heavy plaza]

I'm confused.....

[wheat plaza]

My Yellow screen is the change, and the green the old

[heavy plaza]

Oh.

[wheat plaza]

That's why I was confused

Anyway, undo that

[final oxide]

Done

[heavy plaza]

Ok, it's on @final oxide 's hand

Oke 😃

[final oxide]

Rykas, why did you remove Cutefish egg from future plans?

[heavy plaza]

Rykas xD

It's a combination of me and @wheat plaza ❤

[wheat plaza]

Cutefish egg ?

Mmmh

[final oxide]

Rykas 😄

[wheat plaza]

I didn't

Just remove the Sea Dragon

[heavy plaza]

Fuck

[final oxide]

I know. I was meaning to say Rykart, but I'm tired

[heavy plaza]

I did accidently

[final oxide]

I'll fix it

[wheat plaza]

Done

[heavy plaza]

Sorry btw 😦

I thought it said crashfish :/

[wheat plaza]

Don't worry

That's fix

[final oxide]

r00d

Why does the Spadefish have an egg?

[wheat plaza]

We don't know

[final oxide]

Weird

[wheat plaza]

"yet"

[final oxide]

Yeah. It's a fish you can grab. Doesn't make sense at all.

[wheat plaza]

Yeah

[summer kindle]

Yeah, Spadefish egg is really random

[heavy plaza]

Why does you're name remind me off cinderella @summer kindle ?

[summer kindle]

You know why

[heavy plaza]

xD

[odd nacelle]

You slacker.

:D

[lapis drum]

@heavy plaza http://subnautica.wikia.com/wiki/Special:AllPages

[summer kindle]

Oh, I forgot to update the Bloom Plankton page.

[frosty flower]

• 1151, -350, - 1425 are some unmarked Thermal Vents

[heavy plaza]

Ok, thanks @frosty flower for you're help 😃

[frosty flower]

-1135, -380, -1481 are the other 2 of the batch of 4

-954, -337, -1372 another couple

[heavy plaza]

Ugh, I don't know how to edit tables, i'll leave it with the others. Thanks for your help @frosty flower

[final oxide]

<@&192900629797142528> My laptop is too hot to play Subnautica on high graphics right now. Can someone take a screen shot of both the new Thermal Plant ( I think it's thermal, might be nuclear reactor ) And battery charger fragment models and add them to the image page?

Tueman hasn't set up the page yet, so don't add the pictures to the fragment page. Just the image page

[wheat plaza]

Can't right now.

[heavy plaza]

I'm half asleep

@grizzled tinsel , You're on!

[frosty flower]

I got an interesting bug on the Android App

[grizzled tinsel]

I can barely run on high graphics, and even then, when on high the game still doesn't have as crisp and nice graphics as it can. But I guess I will try

@heavy plaza Its just updating

[heavy plaza]

ok......

[grizzled tinsel]

I okay so what pictures are needed

Just thermal and battery charger?

Welp. I had to exit out of the game because I forgot to disable oxygen and drowned in freecam and it cause me to be in the pod but my camera was stuck at the surface of the water and I couldn't even open the feeback or menu or anythin

So much for waiting that like 7 minutes just to load into the game lol

[agile spindle]

Thermal plant & battery charger fragments according to Alice

[summer kindle]

tueman Flygon form

[agile spindle]

tueman on phone form

[heavy plaza]

It's a fake @agile spindle 😉

[agile spindle]

It's an at school tueman who is slightly on edge because he's sitting alone during lunch

[heavy plaza]

xD 😦

Wi Cri 😢

[grizzled tinsel]

Sorry guys. I don't know where to look plus I couldn't even find any fragments in the wrecks, But now my PC is about to explode so I have to stop searching. Can't wait till I get my new PC done

[heavy plaza]

Try warping there.....

DOn't worry man i'm in the same water

Can't wait to get my new PC aswell

[cursive vigil]

I have edited http://subnautica.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Navbox_Corals. I hope now it is better.

[cursive vigil]

An Admin should delete http://subnautica.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Navbox_Coral !!

[hazy linden]

<@&192900629797142528> PRECURSOR GUN AND LOGS ADDED! ATTENTION ALL WIKI KEEPERS!

[grizzled tinsel]

I will check it all out later. I have a movie to watch :P

[scarlet vault]

wahhhhht?

:O

dang it!

im in the middle of bombing the japanese!

imperial japanese army, not modern day japan of course

[grizzled tinsel]

Kill the Japanese!

[scarlet vault]

._.

more like this

https://s25.postimg.io/g4hyelfsv/Yer_3.jpg

[cursive vigil]

Wow. This is amazing! Precouror logs! Let's add them into the wiki

[scarlet vault]

i can't do it right now, can someone do it?

[cursive vigil]

I can add the new PDA Text and Dialogue. The other Wiki Keepers have to visit the GUN, the Lost River and the Lava Zone and add more details

[hazy linden]

We need to work

No access to experimental right now

I'm on xbox

[cursive vigil]

ye same

PDA Text is now in Wikia Data Downloads

[scarlet vault]

ok, i'm getting on to check it out

[cursive vigil]

New Signal like for the Lifepods, but now for Prison is named: Primary Research Facility

[hazy linden]

EMPRESS CONFIRMED! EMPRESS IS NOT A LIE!

Or so it seems...

[fickle delta]

LOL

nice

[hazy linden]

Edit added about the empress

But I blew up the reference

NVM. Bippity removed the reference.

But a reference would be nice.

[fickle delta]

um what edit?

[hazy linden]

I edited the Emperor/Empress/Gender dispute page, but i kind of rekt the formatting and removed all media.

I fixed it

[fickle delta]

lol

[summer kindle]

@hazy linden please don't do this.

[hazy linden]

Sorry, sir.

PLS NO BAN

[summer kindle]

I'm not an admin.

[hazy linden]

Sorry.

EVERYONE SPAM NEEDLESS EDITS TO PUSH THAT DOWN

I want to make a triggered meme and post it in meme-chat

But I know better

@summer kindle Sorry sorry sorry I'm sorry

[fickle delta]

?

[hazy linden]

When attempting to make an edit on the Sea Emperor Page, I made a joke about feminism and SJWs, and Bippity got mad

I am sorry

[summer kindle]

@hazy linden I'm fine with it, I just don't want you to do that on the wiki.

[hazy linden]

It won't happen again

[lapis drum]

What do you guys mean by gun added

turn off caps first calvin

[hazy linden]

We mean GIANT GUN ON THE MOUNTAIN ISLAND!

sorry

[lapis drum]

put a picture in here

[hazy linden]

i will now type in lowercase only

[lapis drum]

if I load up subnautica I'm gonna have a brain attack

[hazy linden]

The gun and stuff was removed for a couple hours due to a bug

Fix incoming later

[vast hollow]

I have a picture

I posted it earlier in the subnautica chat :l

For Leon

[fickle delta]

@lapis drum here

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/103560355065634816/220694189648773130/unknown.png

[vast hollow]

Ye

[fickle delta]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/103560355065634816/220693233464770560/unknown.png

[vast hollow]

I have one for night

Thats it lol

[lapis drum]

looks coolbeans

[hazy linden]

tueman's jaw drops to the bottom of the ILZ pit

[lapis drum]

I'd probably be happier if I hadn't had a bad day

any work need to be done on the wiki?

[hazy linden]

Negative on that

We've documented as much as we can

[lapis drum]

👌🏼

[fickle delta]

now we wait

[hazy linden]

🕒

[cursive vigil]

um on the wiki for wrecks, the dunes wreck it doesn't have the Prawn Drill arm fragment on the list and i found the fragments in the dunes wreck. Minor Thing but it confused me.