📚wiki-discussion

[agile spindle]

thanks! could you include coordinates as well since theyre at locations not present on the wrecks page?

[solar totem]

Yep. I wasn't 100% sure how folks felt about fragment coords so erred to not including them

Updated

[agile spindle]

thank you 🙏

[vernal cypress]

Fragments map🤔

[solar totem]

I was going to ask if adding coords and maps to each applicable blueprint was next 😄

[solar totem]

And thank you for cleaning up a bit behind me.

[summer kindle]

They can I suppose but currently I’m annoyed at the fact that they do

and would rather they did not

[remote leaf]

It is a weird page

[finite rock]

i think for specific fragments this is probably a good map idea (fragments for X item, rather than an all fragments map)

[jaunty solar]

Could an admin remove any table styling for now

Ill work on the new style of it

Its so much easier for me that way

[finite rock]

i think removing them is going to remove one of the best lists we have of all of the materials (or w/e the specific page is). It might not be something that many people use, but for those who do need it, it's quite helpful

[solar totem]

There's the items navbox which, IMO, is more useful and readable

[finite rock]

for ex on the runescape wikis we have a giant table of all the ways you can earn experience in the Smithing skill. It's a massive table that 99% of the time, you don't need. But when you need a full sortable list, it's the only way you can do it

navboxes dont really offer that functionality

and it doesnt really cost anything to keep the existing page around

[solar totem]

So are you arguing in favor of collapsing the four pages into one and making it a simple, sortable table?

[jaunty solar]

um

[finite rock]

no im arguing that a page like https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Raw_Materials should just exist mostly as it is now

and we can just avoid linking to it prominently

[jaunty solar]

change --infobox-border-color to #264959 btw

[faint sandal]

how many things is there in sn2 about heavy metals and nuclear materals?

[summer kindle]

ok now what about electronics, basic materials and processed materials

raw materials I can see the rationale

that list wouldn't exist anywhere else

[finite rock]

i mean why are you wanting to delete the pages?

[summer kindle]

I do not see the reason for those

[finite rock]

to provide a list of all of them if people search for it

[summer kindle]

because the only reason they exist is legacy holdover from the old wiki

[finite rock]

almost like a disambig but more of a landing page

not something i would want to link to normally but if people search "electronics" (im assuming this is the fabricator section name or something)

[summer kindle]

can easily link to the appropriate subheading of the page of the machine instead

electronics is a fabricator section name yes

but there is no reason it needs to exist on its own page when the fabricator page already can display the full crafting tree

and does

[finite rock]

idk, i dont think its a good idea to redir people to a page with a list of a lot more stuff than what they asked for

i dont think it's a huge deal either way fwiw, but i think erring on the side of deleting pages is not the right approach

[summer kindle]

in the scenario someone was ever looking for electronics

[native bane]

Where can I follow the updates coming to Subnautica 2?

[remote leaf]

More list to maintain as well

Unless we make them auto update

[finite rock]

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Planned_Features should have what you're looking for

[finite rock]

yeah, you could just read from a bucket (if we are writing to it with infobox item)

[native bane]

thx

[late island]

I think more than anything what matters is whether or not these pages actually need to exist for users

if they don't need to exist for users it's just needless clutter and even more on our upkeep plate

so I guess figure that out first.

[finite rock]

i think that's almost right but i don't think "need" is the right way of putting it

because there are plenty of pages that arent needed but are potentially useful

im not really sure i understand the clutter argument though, it's not like users are looking at lists of all pages or anything

like i dont think anyone needs a page like https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Blackboxes , because all those will be on pages for the individual people

but it's obviously a very useful lookup table

[late island]

Clutter for editors. More pages to keep track of on the "making sure the wiki stays good" end, which is a big concern with the Subnautica wikis especially

[summer kindle]

blackboxes has a lot more utility than basic materials

[agile spindle]

Blackboxes is kinda redundant now that each NPC page has their blackbox locations
(not that i am advocating for its removal)

[finite rock]

i think if you optimize a wiki for editors it will be very bad for readers

it's not a big deal if a list falls out of sync for a bit. Having small, trivial errors like that is actually potentially good for getting new editors

[late island]

Potentially

[finite rock]

i mean i can tell you that's what ive seen in my time. That's not to say we should sprinkle errors all around, but i dont think we should be afraid of having some pages be not quite up to date

[late island]

Whenever there have been periods where multiple wiki keepers stepped away from the wiki we've come back to a larger amount of degradation than improvement

I'd love it if this new wiki changes things though

[finite rock]

i think if you want to do that, you need to have a pretty good group of casual editors

people who feel somewhat empowered to clean things up, but maybe arent there every day

Im not sure if youve had that previously, or what exactly the degradation you saw was, but that has been my experience

[solar totem]

While the debate goes on, I'll point out that Raw Materials and Basic Materials are features on the Main Page. I can't remove them, of course.

[finite rock]

yea i think that's something we want to change regardless of this discussion

idk if the idea there was to replace it so im not gonna touch it for now

[agile spindle]

i just added those because the main page was blank af

and it seemed logical

[late island]

degredation like misinformation being added or replacing real information, or confusing/erroneous edits like that time "Death" got added as a PoI to the Dead Zone

and honestly I feel like this wiki has always kind of been lacking in a stable of casual editors like that. or editors in general sometimes

[summer kindle]

their presence on the main page to begin with was why the conversation about removing the pages started way back then to begin with lol

[vague marten]

you can also learn a bit of lua and automate some stuff like the uses item list, so certain things do stay in sync

[finite rock]

fwiw i think it's much harder to have that for a game like subnautica, where the game comes out, maybe gets a few updates, but for the most part is stable

[vernal cypress]

[finite rock]

(i think we should definitely keep this page in case that wasnt clear)

[late island]

aside from early access periods at least yeah

[vernal cypress]

I do think having the map directly on each blackbox pages makes more sense but we just don't have the tooling for it

[finite rock]

can we just make separate Map pages for each one? It's a bit scuffed to do it that way but as long as the main map image is browser cached then idt it should be a big deal

and then we can clean that up when we get the tech

[summer kindle]

sounds annoying

[agile spindle]

id be down to make quick simple maps for fragments, blackboxes, etc just need a quick rundown of how to make em

[finite rock]

yea it definitely is, but idk a better option rn

[finite rock]

1. Make a page in the Map: namespace named whatever you want
   1.5. Use https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Special:ChangeContentModel to change the content model of the page to json (admin only)
2. Copy an existing map like https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Map:Digestion (simple one) to your new Map
3. Change the coords and labels and save the page
4. Add {{Map|data=Map:MyPage}} on the page

[true mason]

Any example ?

[summer kindle]

i mean everything with a red name

[vague marten]

Wouldn't it be pretty simple to add a coords param to map template that just drops the coord into a data-coords="" on the map div and have the gadget drop a single generic pin at that spot instead of loading a whole map json page? The map file itself isn't changing for all the maps so you could just stick that file name into the gadget itself?

[agile spindle]

thank you will get on that today

[summer kindle]

there's no fulgur

[true mason]

I see, i will delete all red name

Except Root Canyon (Contaminated)

[late island]

The information on that doesn't seem accurate either

[finite rock]

yeah, if you want to implement this then that sounds like it would work. You would lose some ability for pin customization but i think that's acceptable. Momo also mentioned he had some inline version on the gta wiki that was a work in progress you might be able to copy from

[summer kindle]

Epicurean symbiote should be tongue thief, I have to assume Spiney Tail is meant to be Hoverthorn

idek what fulgur is

[late island]

fulgur is conduit crystal

[summer kindle]

ah

[late island]

and I think "contaminated" is supposed to be the Metal Farms

this is kinda the problem with just using code data without cross-referencing with the game itself

[summer kindle]

what's eyeball sponge 01b

[late island]

those barnacle things around karakorum

not currently scannable

[vague marten]

Ah like putting the whole raw json as a template param? That could work too, but seems a bit verbose and like you'd probably just end up making template wrappers for them anyway, landing right back on the issue of making individual map pages for them all

[vernal cypress]

Blackboxes was made btw, you would just need to copy paste the coord from https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Map:Blackboxes

[late island]

Also I'm looking over the biomes pages in general rn

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Void This page feels maybe a bit more misleading than the Out of Bounds Terrain section that was there before

[agile spindle]

how so?

[summer kindle]

Had been meaning to bring this up but as a person who can’t play the game my input was limited lol

[finite rock]

i think what you're pitching sounds better than the inline json blob, at least for now. Are you thinking about trying this now? if so then maybe it's a good idea to have people hold off on more maps for rn

[vague marten]

Nah I can't right now, maybe in an hour or two I'll take a look at the gadget - I haven't actually read through the map js in depth much

[agile spindle]

i can hold off

still going through seabase modules anyway 👍

[finite rock]

im gonna snooze rn though since it's very late, but i think i also got the google search result title fixed so now it isn't something insane like "Main Page - Subnautica Wiki" for the sn2 homepage

[late island]

The 5000+ meters thing is just from text, while the previous measurement was data taken from the physical depth of terrain at the end of the map. The way it's currently talked about might also imply there will never be stuff to do on the terrain out there, which isn't true.

[agile spindle]

well that can all be specified on the void page

[late island]

I'm also slightly hesitant to state "Void" as the name just based on the Shiver entry, but that could also just be a me thing

[summer kindle]

Let’s call it the Wet Desert

[faint sandal]

Any one?

[late island]

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Silver_Mine I don't think the information on this page is correct either. Setting traps there doesn't necessarily mean they wanted to "lure" humans, just keep them out

[agile spindle]

sure thats true

[agile spindle]

anyone know where the Biohacking Chamber Scanner Station Upgrade is? I remember finding it in my survival playthrough but I don't recall the location

[jaunty solar]

gallery image needs better quality
https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Necrolei_Cyst

it has ui in it

[vague marten]

you can put [[Template:Retake image]] on the file's page

[willow vector]

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn/Template:Retake_image?action=edit&redlink=1

[late island]

we really need to go through and standardize the format we display crafting recipes in

[jaunty solar]

uses in crafting does not equal to crafting

i guess

[agile spindle]

the infobox one is getting has been removed anyway

[jaunty solar]

table needs rework

when i asked for anything for these past 3 hours nobody cared so i wont bother

[agile spindle]

I'm hesitant to touch CSS because I don't understand it as much

I thought you could experiment with CSS in your profile/subpages?

[jaunty solar]

i cant

when theres already css on it

most of stuff i do are overwrites over the css it has in default supposedly

and makes my goal just more annoying to do

[vague marten]

as long as you just add extra specificity to your selectors (like body:not(#body) in front of your selectors) then it overrides them, and that extra specificity can just be easily removed when moved to site styles

or you can use devtools to disable any styles

[jaunty solar]

its the fact that u need to bother with disabling everything default

and tables are horrendous to style

and tiring to do

[vague marten]

there's a bunch of builtin styles as part of mediawiki anyway, so styles in our own site styles also have to use extra specificity in many cases

[jaunty solar]

html (default) already has simple styling for tables

but thats just outlines

1 pixel solid outlines

added a fun fact

also i would make the table more unique like it not just being rounded

but also have stuff like outline stuff

[vague marten]

you have to be careful with styling tables in particular because there's a ton of edge cases like tables within tables, or tables used in banners rather than regular tabular data, or navboxes - and you also have to consider mobile too, like the navboxes completely change layout on mobile so they're more usable

[jaunty solar]

yup i know

problem is

i dont know what default wiki styling is

and i assume most of you have 0 css knowledge and will copy it and pray it works

and that can cause problems

sometimes css will fail to apply

i dont want it to cause problems at all

how about

what skin is this wiki using

vector?

[vague marten]

it changes - different parts of the builtin css load depending on whether you're logged in or not, whether you're on mobile or not, etc. so there's no one default, and a ton of cases you have to check against to ensure changes work across all of them
even things like opening the editor on different namespaces will load different styles - eg one icon we haven't gotten around to fixing if you open the editor in the template namespace, the advanced syntax highlighting settings icon is black (1) but if you open the editor on any other namespace, it's properly white (2)

[vague marten]

forks of vector and minerva

[jaunty solar]

well

thats a problem

how will i get default css of that

[vague marten]

https://github.com/weirdgloop/mediawiki-skins-Vector
https://github.com/weirdgloop/mediawiki-skins-MinervaNeue

[jaunty solar]

Alright

[jaunty solar]

look at what class it applies color: white to

might be unnecessarily specific

which could be the source of the problem

[vague marten]

tbh you should just use devtools tho, the skin css loads separately from the site styles so you can just use the requests to determine them, especially since it changes depending on page

[jaunty solar]

i do but they kinda suck on firefox

[vague marten]

no it's a svg mask and filter, color and bg-color won't do anything

[jaunty solar]

so

look where it applies filters at

this doesnt seem to be a exclusively table issue

[vague marten]

i know - we already fixed hundreds of these kinds of things during the migration from fandom, just using it as an example of one we haven't goten to yet since it was such a minor thing and only applied to the template namespace

just saying that the default styles loaded will change depending on the page and such

[vague marten]

x, y, title, and description can be defined as unnamed params in map template now:

{{Map|x:-357715.933,y:442373.285,title:[[Bloom Node]],desc:Individual bloom node|x:-119926.158,y:422838.831|x:-189858.736,y:456716.39|x:-221496.139,y:428564.045|x:-346111,y:411597}}

[limber river]

Fandom 🤮

[agile spindle]

Nice, so I can just drop this template anywhere and change the coordinates etc?

[vague marten]

yup, can't do category name or change the pin icon/color, but the basic functionality of it just defining individual pins without needing a whole map data json should work

[agile spindle]

awesome 🔥

[limber river]

Weird gloop hosting Subnautica wiki will be better over Fandom

[agile spindle]

up is East on the map right?

[tardy sequoia]

the wiki map? yes

everything karakorum is in the east

[agile spindle]

I've made an example of a quick fragment map here https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Wall_Rack

I chose to leave in the gallery and coordinates of fragments below it in case people can't/don't want to use the map

[tardy sequoia]

ouh
so, now that maps don’t need their separate pages anymore, does that mean we‘re free to add them to other pages similar to the wall rack example?

[agile spindle]

yup!

[vernal cypress]

I should fix that...

[vague marten]

gonna edit the gadget to try to auto zoom into the markers, if it breaks anything can just undo

[vernal cypress]

That doesnt work

[vague marten]

i don't think it's literally the string "all", it's the numbered ids

[vernal cypress]

u need to put the category string id

numbers dont do anything

or Im stupid

[vague marten]

the examples on sn1 have multiple categories, it's using numbers https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn/Template:Map

[vernal cypress]

oh they probably named the category numbers then

[vague marten]

ah yea the category ids are numbers on there https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn/Map:The_Crater

i can add the literal string all to be supported in the module tho

would just do the same as not providing the param

[vernal cypress]

nah its fine

[solar totem]

I've been out gathering coords, text directions and screenshots of fragments in the shallows and just beyond. Is the gallery and text something we want to continue to do?

I only ask because some fragments (hab builder, flashlight) are abundant

[agile spindle]

I am not sure

I think only having the information available via map would be a mistake

[solar totem]

I tend to agree. OK, we can make a call on pages that might get a bit messy from a large gallery.

[vague marten]

this is probably a decent format to follow (tho you probably don't need all the individual interactive maps, just the main one) https://runescape.wiki/w/Blooming_Burrow_Egg_Hunt#Egg_locations

[agile spindle]

I think this makes sense but the table should be collapsed by default

[vague marten]

why? default collapsed is almost always a mistake

[agile spindle]

like Caffeinated said, some items have a lot of fragments, the page would be really really long with that table

and there are some things we would be putting below it like gallery and trivia

at least we do that in the current format

[vague marten]

that's kinda what the toc is for tho, if someone is looking for gallery or trivia they can directly jump to them

[solar totem]

Let me add what I have for the Hab Builder fragments and we can eyeball it.

[vague marten]

also trivia tends to get overused in a lot of cases - most stuff that gets put into trivia either should be in the article itself, or tends to be speculative or something that shouldn't be there at all

[solar totem]

I'll start with a standard table

[agile spindle]

I trust your judgment, we can try a regular table

[vague marten]

if there's a ton of them, then you can separate them into subsection tables too

[vernal cypress]

nice

@vague martencan u look into merging https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/User:Lenka/common.js

[jade solstice]

are we gonna have a section for easter eggs in Voices from Beyond?

(Starship Troopers for those who dont know)

https://tenor.com/view/im-doing-my-part-serious-stare-gif-11979677

[agile spindle]

Voices from Beyond can probably have its own page, it's an episodic thing right?

[jade solstice]

yeah

[agile spindle]

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn/Voices_from_Beyond oh we have a page for it

[jade solstice]

it gives us nice lore for some of the years before the Cicada Crash up to the exact moment of the crash

[primal geode]

On the topic of VfB easter eggs we see Seth's Exordia in ep3 I believe

[jade solstice]

oh yeah the posters in the series are diffrent from the ones in game btw

the first one we see is the same landscape but a diffrent headline and other one is a version without an Alterra Logo on it

right poster:
diffrent text from the one in game, instead of advertising the planet its more of an pioneer advertisment

left poster:
same as in game but without Alterra Logo

SN1 items in the last episode

those small box variants only appeared in SN1 and BZ

[vague marten]

will do

[solar totem]

The Habitat Builder is quite long/complicated with recipes so I punted on that one for now and did the Flashlight fragments instead: https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Flashlight

[agile spindle]

that looks good, though maybe we omit the Z coordinate and just give depth instead

which is just Z / 100

[solar totem]

Yep. Good idea

[agile spindle]

are you planning on doing the map too?

[solar totem]

Updated

I can give it a shot

[vernal cypress]

Map should be rotated the proper way everywhere now 🙂‍↕️

[agile spindle]

‼️

(Tadpole map)

[vernal cypress]

oh ig it will be cached for a while

[solar totem]

Can someone with permission convert Map:Flashlight to content model json, pls?

[agile spindle]

We're doing maps json free with a template ^

[solar totem]

OH!! Missed that

[agile spindle]

yeaa sorry about that, you can look at Wall Rack or Tadpole pages for examples

[vague marten]

if the map's going to be reused in multiple places then make a map: namespace thing for it, but if it's just individual pins on a map used in one spot, then yeah you can just define the pins directly in the templace

[solar totem]

Added but I think there is still a problem with the pins dropping in the old rotation's locations.

[vague marten]

yea i'm not sure this is working - it's rotating the pins but not the map

[vernal cypress]

ig it takes a while?

[vague marten]

does any of the default data need to be changed? the blankmap in the module here [[Module:Map]]

[willow vector]

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn/Module:Map

[vernal cypress]

Nope it should be using the latest image but it looks stuck on the old image

[agile spindle]

btw @solar totem idk if intentional but the first coordinate is missing an image

[solar totem]

It is. I didn't have an image.

[vague marten]

yea probably just a cloudflare thing i guess, since this direct link is still pointed at the old version https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/images/SN2_EA_SimpleMap.webp

[limber river]

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/images/SN2_EA_SimpleMap.webp?debug=2

It’s fine

Add ?debug=2 to that link

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/images/SN2_EA_SimpleMap.webp?debug=2

[vague marten]

yea but that's debug, bypassing the cache

[limber river]

It’s caching so it will update eventually

[vague marten]

well the cache invalidation was having issues earlier not replacing the image, so it might be doing the same as it was here^

[limber river]

Oh

I blame cloudflare

[solar totem]

For this screenshot pass, I prioritized fragments not in facilities or named wrecks. I plan on noting fragments in the table but someone (maybe even me) will need to fill in things I don't have rn.

[agile spindle]

runescape players have it so easy

they can just take a picture of their map

[solar totem]

Jealous

[vague marten]

sort of but also not really, since there's layers, different floors and dungeons, and they do tile generation and upload hundreds of individual small map tiles for it to piece together

[solar totem]

But they don't get the joy of finding the right angle to capture context and good lighting!

[vernal cypress]

SN2 might also need tiling at some point, you can only fit so much in 4k

[vague marten]

rs's map stuff is separate from the wiki, not files uploaded to it directly, but there is this project from brighter shores wiki that uses tile images directly uploaded to the wiki:
https://github.com/GauChoob/bs-cartography - this gets minified into a js gadget
https://brightershoreswiki.org/w/Brighter_Shores:Map_Project - overview of the maps
https://brightershoreswiki.org/w/Brighter_Shores:Orphanage/Map - tile images
biggest downside of that project tho is that everything is defined in the gadget itself, so only admins can change stuff like pins and links within the maps

[jade solstice]

aight im in a better editing position now i think lol

used to have to work like this plus a large tv on the right

with now space for anything

but im able to work like this again now

[vague marten]

i just changed the module to force it to use the current version of the map image (when individually defining pins) for now, so ones like [[sn2:Wall Rack]] should look correct but those using map namespace like [[sn2:Blackboxes]] probably won't yet until the cache updates

[willow vector]

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Wall_Rack
https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Blackboxes

[vernal cypress]

yeah the main url is cached u can just add anything to clear it

[vague marten]

sort of - once that's been loaded once by anyone, then that url is also cached

[fluid vale]

im not home atm but saw this typo on the thea system page

could someone correct it thx

or reword it

[vague marten]

you can! hit the pencil button

[fluid vale]

im blind

didnt know i could edit on mobile wow

[agile spindle]

during SN1 early access i used to edit from mobile while at school

[remote leaf]

I once edited on mobile and the wiki blew up

[agile spindle]

yea thatll happen

[vague marten]

break [[sn2:Module:InfoboxBuilder]] and throw a script error on every page

[willow vector]

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Module:InfoboxBuilder

[remote leaf]

edit on mobile, it randomly jumps to a different section and adds a space, you dont notice, go save, entire template shatters

[jade solstice]

when i try the wiki just reandomly deletes entire lines while im editing - like when i try to delete a word it instead removes the entire prvious line

[remote leaf]

it likes to do that as well

but for me, it likes to randomly just jump to a different section mid edit for no reason

[jade solstice]

mobile is a broken mess- but here it should work better than on fandom

fandoms mobile editing is gambling

[remote leaf]

not even just on Fandom for me, happens on SL Wiki which is self hosted

mobile is just cursed

[jade solstice]

its glambling with a D20 but all sides are 1s

launching SN1 at like 3:30 am just to check info lol

the full name for the Coffee Box based on text on the model:
Alterra Corp Model 40 Coffee Box

[finite rock]

hm, looks like the styling broke for the More only version of the search bar section. Can be seen on special:search for ex https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn/?search=test&title=Special%3ASearch

[vague marten]

oh yea i fixed that on sn2 but don't have admin on sn1

[finite rock]

oh okay yeah i was just about to say i see on 2 it's fine

do you know which line offhand? I can copy it over

assume it's just a border radius change

[vague marten]

should be around line 180 in vector.css, replace the #p-views sectors with

#right-navigation,
#p-views,
#p-views li:nth-child(1 of li:not(#ca-view)),
#p-views li:nth-child(1 of li:not(#ca-view)):hover,
#p-views li:nth-child(1 of li:not(#ca-view)):hover a,
#p-views.emptyPortlet + #p-cactions,
#p-views.emptyPortlet + #p-cactions:hover label {
    border-radius:var(--vector-nav-border-radius) 0 0 var(--vector-nav-border-radius);
}

#p-cactions .vector-menu-content {
    border: var(--vector-border);
}

#p-views.emptyPortlet + #p-cactions .vector-menu-content {
    border-radius: var(--vector-nav-border-radius) 0 0 0;
}

& if you want to fix the table border radius on sn1
replace https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn/MediaWiki:Common.css#L-1521--L-1612
with https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/MediaWiki:Common.css#L-1725--L-1773

[finite rock]

i am never suggesting rounding corners again lol

[finite rock]

can do. I feel like you also had another fix that i forgot to apply

[vague marten]

yea lol that part is a bit cursed xD but i couldn't think of a better way to do that, leaving it straight looked way worse

[finite rock]

yeah idk what we would do there

[vague marten]

oh the toc, yeah - that one is just adding this to vector

.toctogglecheckbox:checked + .toctitle {
    border-radius: var(--border-radius-table);
    border-bottom: 0;
}

should already be a toc section in there for it

[finite rock]

done ✅

ty for the fixes

[vague marten]

np

[half quarry]

is the items list bucket only editable by admins? There is a mistake on the recipe for the Mild Acid in the Processor (it takes 2 Acidic Raion Pouch instead of the 1 that is currently listed in the bucket)

[vague marten]

anyone can edit buckets, but you don't need to edit the bucket itself - edit the recipe template on that item's page and it goes into the bucket

[finite rock]

yeah, you would edit this page https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Mild_Acid and change the recipe

then that updates the bucket

[limber river]

fixed

[half quarry]

ty. I was trying to find some "other" uses for the pouches and caught the error.
I wonder if they're going to slow down the rate of crop growth. It seems really fast

[limber river]

i heard one of the devs saying they wanted to adjust grow beds so you cant just get really fast food and stuff

some errors in the wiki can live on for a while so thanks for letting us know

[half quarry]

yeah. I mean, it's not ideal traveling food (low nutrients / space). But it's easy to keep a box full of Oily Salad around while you're at home

[jade solstice]

wip - started updating the SN1 alterra info again

[frigid sapphire]

Map genie seems to have one more Blackbox listed than the wiki, I can't tell which but figured I should say something

[jade solstice]

show me a screenshot ill check if i can find out

[agile spindle]

No, I don't think so

the problem is that Chap's blackbox is bugged and even though two blackboxes of his exist, both give the same databank entry

actually you might be right? there might be an extra singh one

ill check!

@frigid sapphire great catch! never would have found this

[frigid sapphire]

Glad I wasn't going nuts I was beginning to think the page just had a number error 😂

[vernal cypress]

it was already documented

[agile spindle]

it wasn't on the table nor on singh's page

didn't notice that it was on the map already though my bad

[rustic idol]

is this right? i dont think its correct to call it a bloom organism, since the bloom only parasites on it

[leaden plinth]

No the Angel Combs are seperate from Bloom

[jade solstice]

finished some more of the stuff for Alterra in SN1 and will continue soon as i can

@agile spindle should we make an BZ alterra page allready and move it when ever we split them in the future or wait

both works for me

have the info for it on standby

same for XenoWorx

[zenith drum]

@finite rock Hi, I just have seen your post on my talk page (Haus), I understand your "concern" about this matter but the constant use of <blockquote> by me in my edits is to ensure organization and ease of reading on the pages I make/edit.

[jade solstice]

can someone send me the current map we made?
as in the image

i wanna do some stuff on it for my own research

mainly ill print it and take notes lol

[limber river]

please try to use bullet points @zenith drum

[jade solstice]

issue is that its not consistent with the rest of the wiki if you do it diffrently

[limber river]

otherwise just leave as a standard paragraph

[jade solstice]

aight i update my profile here to display my main role rn lol

and my projects

[limber river]

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Index.php?curid=2498&diff=8249&oldid=0&title=Talk%3ANutrient_Block

-_-

[jade solstice]

eh its a talk page at leats they diddnt vandalize the page

[limber river]

blanked

[jade solstice]

and i mean- it IS Crab poop

[limber river]

i mean they arent wrong

[jade solstice]

he blanked the talk page only so its fine

its a weird comment - but thats how the community can be

factually he is right

it is Crab Poop
it is salted
it is eaten and seems edible

[limber river]

yeah you shouldnt vandalize at all even talk pages. they have done it twice now

[jade solstice]

technically that comment isnt vandalism tbf

its just a weird comment

he diddnt delete anything else to make it either

[limber river]

it is def spamming

[jade solstice]

if he does it again add a note that he should stop

if he does it again after escalate

[limber river]

nonsense/gibberish on pages is generally not condoned

[jade solstice]

its just a talk page tbh

hes not the first and the others are still up aswell

[limber river]

yeah ive just been a part of a lot of wikis where its not accepted

[jade solstice]

id say we worry about it if someone takes it too far

[limber river]

i dont know how things have been run for the SN wikis

[jade solstice]

well IF he does it again its spam and we escalate

but next time you should prob add a note to the blank

otherwise who knows what he thinks the reason was lol

[limber river]

its pretty obvious

[jade solstice]

yeah but with a note you have proof that you warned about you possible escalating to a mod about the spam

and that you warned him its getting pretty close to spam (which id say is 2 or 3 times in this case as its a short message and wasnt like a wall of text or insults9

otherwise , from how people are, he might claim he diddnt realize

Papertrail and all that ykn

[limber river]

we havent warned yet but would be next step

but i mean if they blanked the other page before they know what they are doing is wrong..

everyone knows that

[jade solstice]

well tbh
he changed the previous
mmmmh, i like my nutrien block as salted Crab poop
.
to mmmhh, Salted Crab poop

[limber river]

yeah doesnt matter

theres no defending it its against guidelines

[tardy sequoia]

I don’t get why we have a reference to that in the Trivia section to begin with

yes, it’s true, but it’s completely unnecessary information and gross imo

[limber river]

which page?

[tardy sequoia]

nutrient block page

[jade solstice]

itsalso added on the Biofuel page

[tardy sequoia]

I don’t think we need to draw attention to that
it’s just gross

[faint sandal]

the tadpole has 6 degrees of freedom so is there any plans in work to have a "spacemouse" or a 6 axis joystick to be able to work with the submarines ?

[faint sandal]

@waxen plume do you want that as well or ?

[covert coral]

Biomods are going to become such an expressive and important part of the game. Wouldn't it be better to give them their own section in the Contents tab on the main page?

[finite rock]

kind of a dumb thing but is anyone opposed to changing the Stub template? It says "is actively being worked on" which is not usually the case with stub pages

so I would just remove that part

[waxen plume]

What do you mean, the source?

[faint sandal]

source ?

[waxen plume]

Were you referring to the screenshot you sent?

[faint sandal]

yes but if you look at what i marked out

i want to be able to controll the submarine using this

do you know how it works ?

you can move it like this

[waxen plume]

yeah yeah, have we tried if it's already in the game? or it just lore?

[faint sandal]

well the "lore" so far is saying 6 axis but we do not have full controll over it so i was wondering if thay are gona add suport for it or not?

[waxen plume]

No clue honestly, perhaps a mod can double-check that with the devs, could be cool to control it with a joystick

[faint sandal]

sorry for the ping @kindred obsidian but you are online and a mod

[kindred obsidian]

you have 6 degrees of freedom with standard controls, I don't see why that would imply specific hardware support

[faint sandal]

do we ?

[kindred obsidian]

well yeah, with a mouse and keyboard or controller you can do all of those

[faint sandal]

we have

W forward
S backward
A left
D right
SPACE up
D down

we are missing

Yaw left
Yaw right
Pitch up
Pitch down
Roll left
Roll right

@kindred obsidian

as for keybinds

[faint sandal]

and it is not brand spesific support it is axis controll support

[kindred obsidian]

I guess you can't roll with the mouse, keeping you upright is probably intentional

[faint sandal]

i am just saying a "maneuver mode" and the ability to have key binds for it can be a good thing

[kindred obsidian]

but yeah I don't know, lore implications probably don't indicate what they plan to support later but i'm guessing seth wrote it and is probably best to ask, he's active in #subnautica-2-chat a lot

throw it on the nolt page if you want to see it (why are we discussing this in the wiki channel?)

[faint sandal]

witch seth ?

[kindred obsidian]

general battuta (pls don't ping him)

[faint sandal]

:/

[faint sandal]

can you send a pm to him asking if i can ask him about it ?

[kindred obsidian]

no this is not DM worthy lol - catch him in #subnautica-2-chat some time, he's active a lot

and make a nolt post if you want the feature https://subnautica2.nolt.io/

[faint sandal]

notl ?

#1505270921445904555 message
btw lol

that is one of the reasons i am asking

[kindred obsidian]

lets stop clogging up the wiki channel with unrelated stuff

[tardy sequoia]

seems like the names of map pins are broken for the ones generated by template without a dedicated Map: page

[agile spindle]

i think that only happens when we forget to include the title: part of the template

what page is that?

[finite rock]

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/K._"Ander"_Anand
thoughts on this map for the blackbox on individual pages?

[tardy sequoia]

It's one I just made for
https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Recipe_Data_Cards

though I checked the ones you made for fragments and its broken there too

[agile spindle]

the ones i made are working

[tardy sequoia]

oh wait, it just didn't have title: on the page I copied the template from ;-;

I see the issue

[agile spindle]

strongly wouldve recommended against putting the entire map on one line btw, but the issue is here

[tardy sequoia]

so, the habitat builder fragments map has the same issue

I'll go fix it I guess

[solar totem]

Ah, those would be my error. Sorry about the extra work. I'll get the other fragments I added recently

[finite rock]

also now w=200px and h=200px should make the map the right size. Before w was setting max-width so it wouldn't necessarily constrain the map

or whatever vals you want

just noticed some of the maps are very large, like on https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Wall_Rack
There are probably some cases where they should be smaller

[finite rock]

also if anyone wants to do these for the others, go for it. I'm about to hit the hay for tn

[tardy sequoia]

do we have any plans on having a separate page dedicated to an entire map showing combined data for fragments/blackboxes/wrecks/databoxes etc.?

though, as far as I know it's not currently possible to select which map pins to show and which not to, so the map would be a mess to look at

[glass anvil]

That’s a trip. Cool

[agile spindle]

i think the idea is to have a big map that has everything yeah. not with the current setup though

[faint sandal]

well if we can use dose to controll the submarines we can move thrue tighter caves with bigger submarines

[tardy sequoia]

I think I put wrong coordinates on one of the air tank databoxes lmao
that one is supposed to be in the research outpost

[agile spindle]

anyone know a second location of Portable Oxygen Generator fragments? only one I know is the Great Jaw but blueprint requires 2

[solar totem]

There are two in the Great Jaw

[agile spindle]

oh yea

[vernal cypress]

On mobile it kinda makes the image useless

[finite rock]

oh true forgot about mobile

if we give it a min-width then it's better but still not ideal. I think the table is going to overflow in any reasonable setup of this (other than removing the map or image)

[agile spindle]

the map zooms too much when all the pins on the map (assuming more than one) are really close together https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Portable_Oxygen_Generator#Fragments

[finite rock]

okay yeah thats basically the same problem i had with the single pin

there probably just needs to be a min zoom check. We can do something like getZoom() after fitting to bounds and then do min(getZoom(), -7) or something along those lines

[solar totem]

Maybe combine depth and coords as we're doing with the fragments?

[finite rock]

yeah, we could do that but i think itll still overflow

actually idt the map causes mobile to be scuffed. This one doesnt have a map

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Tziporah_"Zip"_Malk

[vernal cypress]

Interesting

I think we need to agree on coordinate vs depth

Including depth as a separate column feels useless

Could just be

-303399, 449728, @305m or something

[summer kindle]

Yeah we should probably just have the X and Y coords and depth in metres

The Z coord is not very intuitive

[jade solstice]

ykn whats missing in the intro

the eye of a massive leviathan right outside the lifepod window when you sink after the thrusters fail and they barely work again when you are about to reach it

[remote leaf]

More resource spawns

[tardy sequoia]

of course, just as I went over them a couple hours ago :c

[finite rock]

yeah if you want to do that and maybe add the min-width to the image i think it'll be good to apply to the other pages

[jade solstice]

new trivia to add: Metal Salvage changes size after being picked up

after being picked up, if dropped you can see that its around the same size as Titanium

[vague marten]

As a separate column tho it lets people sort the table by that column, if they're looking for shallower stuff for example

[vague marten]

If you make a map in the map namespace using the full data json, you can set categories for each of the pins and then the map lets you toggle visibility of each of the categories - like the examples on sn1 [[Template:Map]]

[willow vector]

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn/Template:Map

[tardy sequoia]

oh that’s nice, thank you

would that be something we‘d want to have soon-ish?

[vague marten]

Right now if you make a new page in the map namespace it won't be set as json content model by default yet, you'll have to ask an admin to convert it first before putting the actual json data on it, but if you want to make one you can

[solar totem]

Added a Gallery to Metal Salvage to show this.

[fluid vale]

for you guys that are really good at English/ writing, how do you feel about the beginning of these 3 sentences mentioning Marrowbreaches over and over

also the Coral Gardens includes the Graveyard so that can be squished

[agile spindle]

should say shallows instead of coral gardens

but i do agree its excessive

[remote leaf]

"has been seen" can be removed

that is very weird wording for a wiki

it should just be "The Marrowbeach is a large predatry lifeform that can be found in the Shallows"

[summer kindle]

this is another opening sentence that has just been unaltered

Aside from changing the moon to proteus

I wrote the first sentence months before release

hence the wording

[remote leaf]

ah, pre early access makes sense

but yeah, the word def needs to be fixed

[fluid vale]

this is one of the few pages that has behavior with a U as well

i think ill just change it back to behavior

is there a lore reason needler mangos are under fish and not mangos

or just mistake

[remote leaf]

I believe it is a mistake in the game itself

so we have to follow what the game says, even when the game is wrong

[fluid vale]

got it

[agile spindle]

yup Needler Mango is classified as a Fish in the databank

[fluid vale]

fixed

[remote leaf]

see, the fun part of the wiki, is sometimes you have to put incorrect information on there if the game gets something wrong, namely when you are transcribing something

[tardy sequoia]

I don't even know what it should be called to be honest, just "Map:Proteus"?
as far as I know there isn't any specific name for the region the game takes place in like the Crater for SN1

either way, if an admin were to create a general map page, I'd be happy to help fill it out

[vague marten]

maybe just map:general?

or yea, proteus probably

alright, you can fill in categories and markers on [[sn2:Map:Proteus]] - use the sn1 [[Map:The Crater]] as an example

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Map:Proteus
https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn/Map:The_Crater

[summer kindle]

Sorry for being British

I tried to catch myself doing that but a couple times I let it slip through

I forgot to bring this up at the time but why

The update history having all that stuff seems reasonable to me

[agile spindle]

it just makes the page unnecessarily long and people are looking for update information, i dont think they care much to see a random list of everything in the game

[summer kindle]

make it collapsible

[agile spindle]

up to you if you want to re-add it with that ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vague marten]

long pages generally aren't a big issue, but if it is a concern, it's usually better to split it to subpages rather than collapsing stuff

[summer kindle]

We’re just talking about a feature list for the game at launch

for the update history page

The page is going to be incredibly long anyway

you were listing them with newest update at the top anyway so having the EA release feature list at the bottom doesn’t even change anything for readability

[tardy sequoia]

what happened here lmao
https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Subnautica_2#Gallery

[agile spindle]

someone copied the page from the SN wiki over without uploading the same videos/images that were on the page

[summer kindle]

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Distraction_Flare

this page needs to be massively updated

[fluid vale]

will we need a page eventually on version history unless it already exists

hotfixes can be a bullet point

[dire agate]

for sure

especially for major content updates

[agile spindle]

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Update_History

[dire agate]

cool

so question

i helped put a few minor thing on the wiki like half a week ago

but is there anything i can do to help rn

nothing too complicated

im new to wiki editing

[agile spindle]

If you want to take a look at https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Category:Stubs "stubs" are pages with little info on them, if you can add more info to these pages that would be very helpful 🙂

[dire agate]

ill take a look

[kindred obsidian]

raccoon easter egg at these coords, in a small cave near great jaw, about 94m deep 🦝

[agile spindle]

took me a bit to find it, man that is sneaky

this cave was just added in todays patch right?

[kindred obsidian]

yeah I believe so

[ivory steppe]

What is bro doing on Proteus?

[kindred obsidian]

got lost in space, was on their way to Zezura with the rest of the crew

the trenchcoat isn't as warm anymore :(

[finite rock]

What we do on the rsws is update history on the page for the thing that changed. So https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Amulet_of_glory#Changes for example

I think that makes more sense to show when a game is constantly being updated, but we could always collapse it by default once the game is stable

[main cliff]

Wiki Bug:
The Shiver Leviathan is classed as a fish on the wiki, but it is literally called a Leviathan.
https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Shiver_Leviathan

[remote leaf]

iirc, it is in the fish category in the PDA

infact, the PDA doesn't have a category for leviathans

[main cliff]

Just saw that too, but maybe a link at the top of the Lifeforms page that links to the Leviathans page.
https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Leviathan_Class_Organism

[agile spindle]

good idea, i have done so 👍

[limber river]

If we can try to get areas that need expanding on the wiki marked with {{Stub}} or {{Sectstub}} it will categorize pages and give a place for new editors looking to help a place to start. If you see a page in need please mark it.

[primal geode]

what's going on with Rauli here?

[agile spindle]

he's famous

[primal geode]

wouldn't the same apply to mel?

and does he need to be mentioned twice?

[limber river]

uh guys

so which is it

[primal geode]

+15 food -5 water I believe

I'll check

[limber river]

looks like just that one messed up actually

[primal geode]

the game has a weirdly consistend but non-obvious way of sorting the inventory
no idea what the basis is

[limber river]

and Electric Geordie in one place says +5 water but not in another

[primal geode]

halfmoon and other of the very first fish for good measure

[primal geode]

do we know the in game ID's or whatever for tools

[limber river]

thank you

fixing them now

water slug is supposed to give +water not food.. correct?

[primal geode]

yeah

for now it seems like it's always
equipment > tools > food > resources > medical > water
I can't tell how it would be sorted within those groups

[limber river]

i have a list of things i wanted to correct that i made during work breaks today so now time to get them on the wiki.

[limber river]

A good project for a beginner editor that would be helpful is going through the items and adding descriptions. start with like the basic materials and stuff and add the description on the infobox. ill work on it in a couple days if someone doesnt before me but figured i would share something that could be impactful

[queen dome]

how do i see coordinates

[tardy sequoia]

they’re in the bottom right of the pause menu

[queen dome]

ty

[jade solstice]

wip by me
hes listed there because he was a pioneer prior to the mission as well

[tardy sequoia]

the Deepwing migration path is overlayed on the mapgenie map, no?
https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/File:Deepwing_Mapping_Project.png
are we even allowed to use that? I thought it was copyrighted

[jade solstice]

if theres concerns about faction pages let me know

or also if theres info i missed

ill then check if its missed or just still under review by me

[waxen plume]

Shouldn't the general Food page be called "Sustenance" as per indicated in the Navbox? Since it encompasses all consumables

[jade solstice]

i list food and Drink as Consumables on the alterra pages

havent gotten an answer so ask again - the BZ faction pages

should i do them now, on the sn1 wiki and we move them in the future

or wait for the grand day we split bz from sn1

[jaunty solar]

we should start making guides in the wiki maybe

would be cool

something like this stuff
https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Guide:Armor_progression

these kind of guides

[jade solstice]

hm we could makes guide pages

and for once unlike back on fandom not try and stuff the area guide for the Aurora in the middle of its lore page

[jaunty solar]

💀

yea no

we aint doing that

i mean separate pages for it

[agile spindle]

@waxen plume there's already a biomods navbox https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Template:Navbox_Biomods

they don't really fit under the Items navbox because they arent items

[left agate]

How to collect salt

[summer kindle]

https://x.com/nonfon420/status/2057911615576473818?s=46

Nonfon🌐 (@Nonfon420)

The collector leviathan will complete any building in the standard elements tab without using any resources when it's nearby.

Sadly things in other tabs, like power sources and metal farms, simply disappear.

X · May 22, 2026, 7:48 PM

maybe something for the trivia section lol

for what possible reason could this even be happening

[jade solstice]

not sure if we have it listed yet, but if you skip the SN1 intro you get a fire extinguisher with 100% while without skipping yuod have to use it to put out the fires

[vernal cypress]

I think I remember the intro one also staying at 100%

[waxen plume]

oh that's right my bad, to me it was more intuitive to have a Navbox including everything in the game than having separate ones

[agile spindle]

gotchaa, usually they are kept separate usually matching a certain category

[finite rock]

100% this would be great

[tardy sequoia]

the extinguisher doesn't lose any charge for using it during the intro anyway

[night hedge]

If I refund my base does it refund all the decorations? Also, is there a limit to how much it refunds?

[tardy sequoia]

It's supposed to refund everything, but I think right now it doesn't refund inventory contents, so empty all your lockers before you do

I'm not aware of any limit

[agile spindle]

a section for Refund Bases to explain how it works on the Seabases page would be good, i see some people searching for that on the wiki

[limber river]

Would Subnautica be a game that benefits from guides? I really can’t think of many that would be beneficial

[glossy raft]

can someone help me? i just bought the game but i cant play it everytime i try to launch it there's an error saying ' an unreal process has crashed "

[limber river]

Navboxes should be a separate one for each item type. That’s how we categorize and eventually potentially store data into bucket

[vernal cypress]

https://support.subnautica.com/

[glossy raft]

tried everyything but i still cant play it

[limber river]

This discord channel is for the wiki, we don’t support the game

[icy girder]

Go to #🔧sn1-bz-tech-support

[limber river]

is there a way someone can add a little padding on the recipe class so we dont have to add extra line breaks to give it spacing from other recipes and sections.

[limber river]

Also instead of redeclaring the recipe on pages where we want to show it I feel like we need a way to query it. For example if I want to show the recipe for upgrade modules on the Tadpole upgrades I should be able to ask bucket to find a recipe for a given result and have it give back all the ways to make that item

[agile spindle]

On Fandom we had something like that, would definitely love to have it again

[vernal cypress]

I think buckets supports this

[agile spindle]

still have it* but not on sn2 yet

would be good for databanks too

[limber river]

{{GetRecipe|Energy Efficiency}}

Something like that

That way if the recipe changes in the future we update the recipe template on that page and it’s reflected everywhere

Bucket definitely supports it we just need to build it

But would be a good nice to have

I’m sure you could also make it optionally take a machine if you only care about recipes through one machine

We have the data in bucket just need to use it

[summer kindle]

Yeah we were able to do that with the old recipe and databank templates

I’m sure it isn’t hard to do

(Not that I know how it works)

[jade solstice]

third time now lol but i wasnt ever answered

should we set up the (mainly faction) pages for BZ allready and move them in the future when theres finaly a much needed BZ only wiki

or hold off on them and do them then

id be able to set up the Alterra and XenoWorx pages this evening prob

[agile spindle]

If you're talking about splitting the Alterra page into an SN and BZ page then that should wait until the wikis are split

[jade solstice]

rn the page only has sn1 info

i have the BZ info saved up for when we split rn thats why

i haddnt added it yet when i added stuff from SN1 to the page

equipment and all that i mean

[vague marten]

i'll add a bit, but not that much - overuse of empty space just adding to the amount of scrolling you have to do isn't great, especially on mobile

[jaunty solar]

what if we did it like this

feels more organized

icons separately

[remote leaf]

that looks nice

[jade solstice]

i feel like Bio Scan should be a link to the Bioscanner

[jaunty solar]

last sentence

[remote leaf]

so many pages using first person

[agile spindle]

actually "you" is second person

[remote leaf]

fine

so much second person

happy?

[agile spindle]

yes

🙂

[remote leaf]

think I got them all

[vague marten]

this is done [[sn2:Template:GetRecipe]]

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Template:GetRecipe

[agile spindle]

thank you 🙏

[jaunty solar]

tomorrow ill figure out PROPER styling for tables i guess

they are just dull to look at so i wanna change it really

[summer kindle]

we still don't seem to have damage numbers

[remote leaf]

collector leviathan: instant kill
all other fauna: paper cuts

[vernal cypress]

I can look into it later

[limber river]

@vague marten thank you on both of those

I love when this channel is on topic, I can catch up to stuff I missed easily

[brittle rover]

Here's the nook blueprint locations: https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Nook

[remote leaf]

#subnautica-2-chat

This is for the wiki

[primal geode]

it is essentially confirmed to be a chassis for the tadpole
happy to elaborate in the other chat

[fair talon]

oh, sorry

[solar totem]

FYI, I added anchors for the unnamed wrecks so now we can do this: https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Wrecks#Shallows_Wreck_4

[jade solstice]

is it about the Workmech?

that ones also mentioned in game in a voiceline when you unlock the Tadpole

[tardy sequoia]

yay

[primal geode]

Yes, and the voiceline would've mainly been thr elaboration, but it IS the wrong channel for that so I didn't bother here

[limber river]

@agile spindle https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/?title=Vehicle_Upgrades&diff=9025&oldid=8916 thank you for doing this, beat me to it

we almost have a good wiki

[finite rock]

do conduit crystal deposits have fixed locations/respawns? maybe a @vernal cypress question based on game data

it seems like a pretty important resource so if so it would be nice to have a map. If they arent static we probably just want to mark the rough area

[vernal cypress]

Do you know the plant name

[primal geode]

I can tell you they spawn close to those pylons in the karakorum power plant but little more

[agile spindle]

might be called fulgur in the files

[finite rock]

i do not

[vernal cypress]

looks like it

[finite rock]

nice yeah that looks roughly like the blob

The repair is done using a Habitat Builder
ah yes my favorite repair tool

can't believe they would do the repair tool so dirty

[remote leaf]

Personally my favorite is the Feedback Resonator

[agile spindle]

when i was playing through it i assumed i'd need to get an axum upgrade for the repair tool to fix it

but nope regular old habitat builder does the trick

[finite rock]

possible it'll change down the line i guess, i just thought that was a funny sentence

[remote leaf]

Granted. The materials are also missing. A lot of them.

This isn't a slice on a Cyclops

[vernal cypress]

Game says they dont respawn but Im pretty sure mine does

[finite rock]

hmmmmmm

[remote leaf]

Talkin about turbine here @vernal cypress

[agile spindle]

they get created by the lightning strikes from these pylon things

[remote leaf]

And why habitat builder would be used to fix it

An entire chunk is busted compared to a small breach

[vernal cypress]

I meant fulgur something

[finite rock]

oh they get created like that? I just saw that they could get zapped which makes them more noticeable

[vernal cypress]

yeah looks like it

[agile spindle]

i can make a map of the pylons that'd probably help folks

[finite rock]

maybe a map of the static spawns and then another of the pylons?

idk how close they are

[agile spindle]

do they have static spawns?

[vernal cypress]

ye

[agile spindle]

or rather, spawns not tied to the pylons?

[finite rock]

im not sure, i interpreted that as yes from lenkas msg

[vernal cypress]

Only static spot i found is @ x: -181949.97, y: 445049.97

[agile spindle]

i just watched the conduit zap one into existence 👍

[vernal cypress]

Figured where they spawn

Dont think map has a way to show radius tho

[agile spindle]

nope, ive made one with three conduit locations tho: https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Conduit_Crystal#Conduit_Locations

[vernal cypress]

Looks perfect, just edited to have accurate locations in the future

[agile spindle]

they are accurate

or do you mean the specific conduit crystal spawning spots

[vernal cypress]

yeah using the spawners locations

[limber river]

oof that was not fun

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/?title=Blueprints&diff=9145&oldid=8985

[vague marten]

probably could have done that with a single regex find/replace

nonetheless, nice it's converted

[limber river]

i like to keep things interesting

i actually found a couple errors while I was doing it

the enhanced first aid kit had the recipe of the basic one duplicated

[finite rock]

Nice, we probably want a map for the static spawns too right? I would think if i was doing a playthrough id go to that before spending a bunch of time searching around

[limber river]

For what? I’m not following

[finite rock]

for the conduit crystal

[vernal cypress]

There's only one

[finite rock]

i see

[late island]

Are the metal farms actually listed separate from the Root Canyon at all in the files?

we might just want to lump the metal farms as a PoI of the Root Canyon page

[agile spindle]

it has completely different resources

it's the only place in the game to find troilite and bacterial culture, and it has unique fish and looks distinct as well

[vernal cypress]

Root Canyon mentions Conduit Crystal which would mean it is indeed separate

so thats kinda Root Canyon

Also mentions Bloom nodes which isnt at metal farm

[late island]

Well Metal Farm would be lumped under Root Canyon, not the other way around

like I'm wondering if Metal Farms should just be considered a PoI within the larger Root Canyon area

[finite rock]

It seems distinct enough to deserve its own page imo

[jade solstice]

hm well that IS wiki relevant id say

[jade solstice]

in terms of material i can use for research im only missing 3 games on the systems i actually play on

SN1 and BZ on Xbox and SN2 on Steam

i have SN1 and BZ each twice and SN2 on Xbox rn

[primal geode]

It's was more an idea for a prawn suit, closer to a game question
As for the mech generally, I think we do have a page for it under ipcoming content, but it's just not linked

[summer kindle]

we need a checklist for pages in need of images or something

so many pages still lack galleries

Can just make a category for that I guess

[jade solstice]

might look into a system to have the role listed first and then the character but the table idea is out, doesnt look good on this one

if i do find a way ill do another test

[limber river]

I mean people can just add galleries when there is something to add to it

I don’t agree that everything needs to have one

[summer kindle]

No they don’t

But a ton of creature pages are missing them

So the only image on them of the creature are the PNGs pulled from the databanks which aren’t always great quality

This is the only picture of the Deepwing on its page

[limber river]

Looks fine to me

[summer kindle]

What

[supple wedge]

It's really not

Its low quality

[remote leaf]

256x256

[supple wedge]

Plus you can't even make out finer details like the eyes

[remote leaf]

bit annoyin some fauna have large images while others are tiny

this one is nice

[summer kindle]

Same deal for the Pneuma. Only image on its page

[limber river]

Yeah those aren’t player images

[summer kindle]

As I said

[limber river]

Player images would lack transparency and generally not be great

Imho

[summer kindle]

I don’t know what you are arguing

[remote leaf]

these would be images in the gallery

not the infobox

[summer kindle]

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn/Boneshark#Gallery

[remote leaf]

we could probably make our own renders for infoboxes if we need to

[summer kindle]

here is how we have done creature pages previously

many creature pages for SN2 currently lack any images aside from the often small image from the databank

[remote leaf]

also the low quality is very noticeable on some pages

[summer kindle]

Or maybe some concept art

yeah I would like to get better renders at some point

[remote leaf]

we got a map render, is it possible to get fauna renders with the same method

[summer kindle]

I’m prettt sure we had custom renders for some of the stuff on the previous wikis

It just takes a while for people to make them

Especially for how many would have to be done here

[remote leaf]

yeah, I have spent awhile makin renders for things as a test

though it can be hard gettin the lightning to match in game, so sometimes the render looks nicer

[limber river]

Yeah I mean quality is always something where a new version gets uploaded. Most of those are renders that are evenly lit not screenshots.

[jade solstice]

i think steam had a stoke

i went to check some version info for BZ and steam says the old BZ versions, all of the, where last updated in 1970 lol

[remote leaf]

hmm, so bright

[jade solstice]

Terran, do we need anything rn from the old SN1 or BZ early access versions?

[remote leaf]

I dont think we need anything from legacy versions

[jade solstice]

i mean like images for cut content for example

[remote leaf]

yeah, I dont think any of them are missing images

cant think of any at the top of my head

[jade solstice]

ill check

im running checking if i can get steam to work properly rn

[summer kindle]

ok I’m gonna make a Needs In-Game Screenshots category or something and add pages to it so that list can be worked through

[jade solstice]

ok EA versions cant be launched anymore rn

seems they changed the code for them so i cant access the save i had in EA8

[remote leaf]

yeah, legacy branch doesnt work anymore and steamdb doesnt show the build ids anymore

even if you had an archive, I dont think steam console will yet you download them if they are privated now

[jade solstice]

they are visible all id need is the code they set for them now as the original one isnt correct anymore

[late island]

They don’t have an official beta code anymore if that’s what you mean

[jade solstice]

the steam EA versions are locked behind a code and it isnt the same code as back when i last played EA8

[remote leaf]

no more beta codes

you would have to use steam db ids and steam console

[late island]

It’s a code that doesn’t exist. The build is inaccessible

[remote leaf]

I did have archives of the first two IDs

but I doubt they work anymore

or at least, it isn't as easy

I did get BZ depots downloaded earlier this year with steam's built in depotdownloader

so you just have to find a manifest ID

[vernal cypress]

I'll see what I can do

[solar totem]

Have you created the category? I'm editing a page with a Gallery that is just the text 'WIP'.

[summer kindle]

Was just about to start going through Lifeforms pages to look for them

Then I’ll do base pieces

[solar totem]

Just to confirm, the category will be 'Needs In-Game Screenshots'?

[summer kindle]

yes

Galleries can’t be done to the same level of precision they were on the SN1 and BZ pages since we can’t just spawn things in and freeze time unfortunately

[solar totem]

There is a mod that will freeze time and remove most of the UI so we're most of the way there

[summer kindle]

But a creature gallery should include a roughly side-on image, a front-facing image and a top-down view

and a picture of the creature in each of the biomes it spawns

[solar totem]

Got it. I'll put those guidelines in the category page so I'll remember to do so.

[summer kindle]

just noticed the Collector databank states an incorrect number of tentacles around the mouth

[agile spindle]

you can with mods

[summer kindle]

Basically unplayable

[summer kindle]

well that helps

[solar totem]

Do you know of a mod that will change the time of day? I haven't found one yet.

[agile spindle]

i have, lemme find the name of it

[remote leaf]

Airbladder's model is upside down in the hand

[agile spindle]

https://www.nexusmods.com/subnautica2/mods/41?tab=description this one pretty sure

[solar totem]

Cool, I'll take a look

[summer kindle]

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Mirror_Halfmoon#Purple

does anyone know what variants of these actually spawn

same for fluttertail I guess

each page only has pics of one variant

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Pelagic_Ghost

Pelagic Ghost has images for red and black but not blue

does the blue one just not spawn anywhere

[agile spindle]

all of them spawn im pretty sure

they just dont exist outside of schools atm

[lusty loom]

I didn’t know they had a name, Unless thats just a placeholder

[summer kindle]

Flash Slug has the creatures with variants category

There isn’t some variant I’m unaware of is there

If they’re considering it a variant of the Water Slug that is definitely a mislabelling

[lusty loom]

Yeah, Why the flash slug isnt with the water slug in the PDA is weird (Category I mean), Unless it isn’t weird and I’m missing something

[agile spindle]

i dont believe there are any flash slug variants

[summer kindle]

can someone confirm that the Listening Gorgon's scientific name in the databank entry is typed out incorrectly

as Gorgon Kryphakous

the second word in a scientific name shouldn't be capitalised but the wiki page has it as that

[summer kindle]

ok it is wrong in game

[agile spindle]

@vague marten I'm not sure if the categories filters on the Map template are working, or if I am using them incorrectly. I set up the categories in the json and specified only to have the second one active but it seems to just disable all of them https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Bloom_Node

the map in question https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Map:Bloom

Seems to do that in the documentation example as well

[vernal cypress]

You need to type the category name

id "angel_combs"

[agile spindle]

thanks ;p

[vernal cypress]

Yeah and all doesn't do anything, just don't include categories to show everything

Also realizing map auto zoom is broken on mobile, maybe due to the map being collapsed by default

[summer kindle]

"Krill krikophore or the ringbearer krill"

mentioned in the gateway spire entry

not an organism that can be seen

do you think we should put it on the lifeforms page in the unknown category

[agile spindle]

nah, not from a one-off line

[jade solstice]

if you find possible alterra products let me know

[agile spindle]

actually after reading the databank entry they do kinda give a bit of info about the Ringbearer Krill

might be deserving of a page considering we have pages for other creatures with less info

[summer kindle]

yeah

Meant to bring that up

I’ll do that in a sec

does the dangling salp lack a databank entry?

no it can't presumably because we have the scientific name on the page

but the databank section is empty on the page

[agile spindle]

it has one

ill add it once youre done editing that page

[summer kindle]

thanks

also does the fridge worm actually do anything

When Seth talked about it he said it made its surroundings colder

is this actually present in game

[agile spindle]

hmmm, not sure. ill check

[late island]

I don't think so no

[agile spindle]

does not seem to change temperature at all

[summer kindle]

Seth the professional liar

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Category:Needs_In-Game_Screenshots

ok

a lot of things to work through here

haven't gone through base modules yet but I assume the majority of them will also need it

[solar totem]

I have some shots of the Nibbler Mango added but since there is the documented flare behavior, shall I leave the Needs In-Game Screenshots tag for now?

[summer kindle]

well that one would need a gif to properly demonstrate

[solar totem]

Yep.

[summer kindle]

I took it off for now

[solar totem]

OK, thanks

[agile spindle]

@tardy sequoia can we put the Proteus map you're working on onto the Biomes page? to replace the current png we have on there

[tardy sequoia]

sure, I think that was the point

though I‘m not entirely finished with it yet, I still need to add more pins and improve the popups so they actually tell you a little bit about each of the locations instead of just having the coordinates

I‘d also like to go through each of the colonist bunkers and slightly move the coordinates a bit, because as of right now the biohacking chambers use the exact same coordinates as the structure entrance, so the pins overlap on the map and you cannot see the structure pin anymore if you have the biohacking chambers displayed

[agile spindle]

i could set it to disable the biohacking chambers by default

and any other pins that'd be excessive on the biomes page, like blackboxes maybe

[tardy sequoia]

I don’t think everything should be enabled by default, yeah

though them having the exact coordinates as the bunker entrance is also a thing on their individual page, which I don’t think makes much sense

imo they should have the coordinates of their actual location, not just the structure they’re placed in

either way, how do you feel about having fragments on the map?

it could be overkill considering how many there are, but I‘ve seen a few other external maps also do that

[agile spindle]

I'm not sure it's necessary

that'd be a massive overload to put all fragments on any one map honestly

[remote leaf]

My browser when I load every fragment on the map

[tardy sequoia]

fair
the map is only going to get bigger with each EA release

it’ll be massive at some point

[agile spindle]

Angel Combs could be good on there too, although i did make a separate map for those over at the Bloom page

[tardy sequoia]

yeah, that’s what I thought about as well

do they get their separate category or share one with the bloom nodes?

[agile spindle]

i separated them

[tardy sequoia]

usually if you’re looking for one, you’re also looking for the other

but they’re not really the same thing

[summer kindle]

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn/Voices_from_Beyond

this page is on the wrong wiki

[agile spindle]

Is it confirmed in-lore that the Bloom causes Masefield?

I've been under the impression that only the regular proteavirus causes it

the Bloom really just seems to favor killing stuff like with the parasites

[tardy sequoia]

I think Wu was under the opinion that specifically the bloom strain of Proteavirus causes Masefield

but those are just speculations on his part, so we don’t have an in-universe confirmation as far as I know

[agile spindle]

I'm not really sure to what extent the pioneers have interacted with Bloom

we know it was around because Sophie talks about it several times

[tardy sequoia]

Wu has some samples in the entrance area of the Old Habitat

[agile spindle]

and she mentions clearing the bloom nodes

although they clearly re-infected

[tardy sequoia]

that’s also where you find the scanner station upgrade to scan for bloom

so they had some sort of understanding of it at least

[tardy sequoia]

oh yeah, that’s odd

[agile spindle]

this was only 3 days before Nahema blew up the Old Habitat

[tardy sequoia]

unless, they were talking about Anita‘s angel comb that gives you the digestion

perhaps that one was also infected at some point?

[late island]

Currently unknown. Only hypotheses or speculation by specific characters within it

[agile spindle]

thats also what I thought

We know the regular proteavirus gives it, but no specific evidence that the Bloom does

[tardy sequoia]

oh yeah, that’s the log I was referring to

[agile spindle]

Wu seems to be a fraud

[tardy sequoia]

well to be fair, he is a dietician, not a virologist

[summer kindle]

@jade solstice not an Alterra product however the biolab entry for SN2 makes reference to Danielle Valenti and Vinh Pham from Subnautica: Below Zero
https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Biolab#Databank_Entry

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn/Danielle_Valenti

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn/Vinh_Pham

[rustic idol]

i believe that sophies consciousness inside the noa at the tadpole pens states that masefield isnt actually caused by the bloom

not sure if im misremembering

[agile spindle]

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/NoA/Tadpole_Pens#What_do_I_have_to_do? She basically just says clearing the Bloom didn't cure Masefield

[rustic idol]

i think this kinda implies that the non-bloom kind causes masefield

[agile spindle]

yes, we have a lot of confirmation i think that the regular proteavirus causes it

if nothing else, just the fact that you start hearing the voices before ever seeing Bloom

[rustic idol]

oh yeah i never realised that

[frozen jay]

i feel like bloom is a result of proteavirus no?

[rustic idol]

there are two kinds of proteavirus

one is bloom, the other is omnipresent

and invisible ingame

[frozen jay]

that makes sense

they dont really know

[late island]

Again though, that’s just what a character assumes of the situation

[vernal cypress]

eh

[remote leaf]

pretty nice

[summer kindle]

he’s just standing there

[solar totem]

Not finding this in the wiki and it's not scannable in-game. Found in the Plateau/Hills caves. Any ideas? https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/File:Unidentified_Plateau_caves.png

[remote leaf]

if it isn't scannable in game then it doesn't get a page

for SN and BZ Wiki, we made a category called "Minor Flora" since Fauna and Flora arent being used anymore, we would just have to give it a new name

[agile spindle]

if we do that there are pages that would need to be merged into it

[solar totem]

Interesting. We have, for example, https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Pelagic_Ghost which aren't scannable. Not sure where the names for these come from.

[remote leaf]

hm

[agile spindle]

I've been wondering as well @late island

[remote leaf]

granted, this was a rule only made like last year or so

and it was namely for flora like the Treespawn

based on the page, it doesn't look like this fish can even be picked up

[summer kindle]

don't disrupt the agenda

[solar totem]

Nope

[late island]

That's what they're called in the code. They also have temp databank entries sharing those names, though nothing is written in them

[remote leaf]

ah, if it had a temp databank in the code then it would be better to stay up

[agile spindle]

some do and some dont

[remote leaf]

if they dont, then we should probably follow what we did with treespawn and have no dedicated page for them

[agile spindle]

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Lifeforms#Unknown_2 everything here with the exception of the world tree is basically "Minor Flora"

[late island]

I don't know if that rule can apply too much during early access in general honestly

[agile spindle]

tho some have databanks in code i think so probably not forever

[late island]

there will be a lot of times where things get added that don't even have a temp databank entry

[remote leaf]

yeah, I was thinking of that as well

[summer kindle]

I vote that we leave them for now..

[late island]

I know a ton of things in BZ got pages before they got databank entries