📚wiki-discussion

[fluid vale]

for the dive elevator page,

theres a sentence here explaining its impracticality
do we think it fits?
grammar aside

[rough sedge]

The Sunbeam was definitely in system if true FTL wasn't a thing, and probably even if FTL is a thing

And having a close base of operations doesn't really help, since having it be the next star over would still mean it would be years away without FTL. Stars are very far apart. The only way to rationalize this is to full on ignore the "months" comment

As of Subnautica 2, yes

[primal geode]

that definitely does not match the style of the wiki at all Imo

[fluid vale]

yea its like an opinion

i was thinking

nothing is stopping the player from constantly rebuilding and deconstructing the elevator to place it anywhere they need to get down right

or does it need to see a valid floor to be placed

that can be added if so

[strong apex]

the item infobox has a fragments biome parameter, but fragments arent biome-based anymore

gonna remove it

[primal geode]

I don't think there has to be a foor

[rough sedge]

I placed it in the middle of the ocean, no floor

[fluid vale]

interesting

[strong apex]

oh nvm i cant

[rough sedge]

My tabpole then got pushed out of bounds and I died when I went to go get it, but I digress

[rough sedge]

Wait really?

[strong apex]

yeah i think cuz its a module

oh im just stupid

nvm

[jade solstice]

the Sunbeam got the Auroras distress signal on the "far side" of teh system meaning they were like on the edge of it

and canonicly it took them a week to get to the Planet

[strong apex]

i think maybe only admins can edit the module page

[vague marten]

anyone can edit modules

[jade solstice]

they do have their facilities but even with those canonicly it takes months until they even get any signal the aurora send sout
meaning first they stop geeting routine check ins and then months after the distress gets end by the crew after the crash they first see it, likly after they are all dead allready

[strong apex]

oh ig my change just didnt go through then

[jade solstice]

and the message we get with the neptune was HQ answering the original distress the crew send out, meaning that message from ALterra HQ was MONTHS old

it took like 18 months for alterra to be even fully aware the ship lost contact

[vague marten]

this change you did only removes the parameter from the list of parameters in the visual editor https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/?title=Template%3AInfobox_Item%2Fdoc&diff=5842&oldid=4722
it doesn't change how the actual module functions - you have to edit [[sn2:Module:Infobox Item]] to remove the row where it's using args.biome2

[willow vector]

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Module:Infobox_Item

[strong apex]

i did, it just didnt go through fsr

[jade solstice]

Alterra officialy announvced the ship lost contact after not signing in on severalk sceduled checks after 18 months

at that moment they diddnt know about the crash yet, so that was before they received the distress send out by the survivors over the long range

[vague marten]

now you got it 🎉

[jade solstice]

Subnautica 1 wsasnt rly good at properly showing the time that canonicly passed

[strong apex]

for scannables that only take 1 scan, should i list fragments as 1 or just leave the field blank?

[primal geode]

I say fill it

otherwise people will think it's just missing the info

[agile spindle]

this unnamed plant has teeth

[primal geode]

also helps with consistancy

[lusty loom]

Not a plant smh

[agile spindle]

anything that doesnt move is a plant

[knotty nimbus]

Somebody page Seth! (/s)

[primal geode]

oh, no, see it's a sessile organism (/hj)

also why did both of you just appear here to mention it's not a plant 😭

did ppl find the rectangular light at -334329, 411509, -2856 earlier?

[remote leaf]

Subnautica Databanks

[summer kindle]

I won’t stand for this

[remote leaf]

This time we will add a new lifeform that is fungi and coral and call it a plant

[primal geode]

there is a singh blackbox behind anita's angel comb 210m 185 degrees that has no mention on the wiki
feel free to take and crop if someone wants to add and this is good enough
-331535, 413379, -3603

[jade solstice]

did a start

going to bed its 3 am lol

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Jubilee

still kinda a weird feeling to see the things changed on the wiki after i bring them up

[strong apex]

are these sections necessary?

i mean like yeah its true but do we really need to know that

[agile spindle]

adding it, ty

[jade solstice]

its a WIP

Jubilee seems set up to be a important part of the story

their members are still alive

[strong apex]

yeah im just not sure what vehicles they use is significant enough to warrant a section on their page

[jade solstice]

its the standard system for all Faction pages

i allready did the Architect one in SN1, Alterra in SN1 and 2 and more

[strong apex]

fair enough then

[jade solstice]

its my system i brought over that i have months of experience in

[short spire]

It’s cool lore. As long as it’s not an opinion (or guess), that stuff is cool to learn if you missed it in the story

[jade solstice]

several wikis now use my system or a slightly modefied variant lf it depending on if they ask for stuff

like ive done that on at least 10 wikis so far if i counted right

in 2 i have mod rights now, in 1 im working on the system with the Admin and in others i work directly with the staff who even send me screenshots they take that kight be usefull for me

[finite rock]

Would it make sense to have individual pages for blackboxes? That would make it easier to show where they are located (maps/images) and we could include the databank so you don't have to go to the databank page

Since the databank page seems like a place you should never actually end up

[jade solstice]

theres basicly 2 main versions of it though

Table and No Table

Table was invented when i worked out how we do faction pages on The Outer Worlds Wiki until we agreed on a good version (now im a mod)

non table is much older and was used on alot of wikis i did

[finite rock]

I know on the sn1 wiki it drove me crazy that individual lifepods didnt have pages

[agile spindle]

hmmm, maybe we could just include blackboxes on individual npc pages? I don't want "Ruby Blackbox" and "Ruby Blackbox 2" as separate pages

[jade solstice]

that also bothered me andncab easily be changed

i have a sheet with some info including who was in them saved up

[strong apex]

i like this idea

[finite rock]

This could work. Are people going to be googling things like "rubys blackbox"? Or is that something they arent going to know until they find it

[short spire]

This seems like a perfect middle ground. I also like the idea of separate pages

[finite rock]

I saw Ruby in searchdigest but didnt know if it was a material or a person lol

[agile spindle]

yea people search up the first names all the time

it's the name that appears on the signal NoA gives you to find it

[finite rock]

Then yeah id say going with the person seems like the right approach, we can always tweak if need be

[jade solstice]

rm theres 2 Rubys but its a def a bug

as both have the same job

oh and Ruby is a nickname

not their name

[agile spindle]

we can do that. just need NPC pages to start being made

[short spire]

Yeah, then they would be referenced from the databank pages and black box pages for more info on the individual.

[jade solstice]

the Alterra page has premade links to pages for the characters

just no pages yet

all the ones i linked dont need tk be verified by me rn and can be created

[finite rock]

Yeah, my advice would be to avoid the big table pages when possible. They end up doing really poorly in search and google so it makes it hard for people to find them

[jade solstice]

the ones not linked are being verified

[finite rock]

• it includes a bunch of info readers dont need

They can still exist, but just shouldnt be the primary place info lives

[jade solstice]

tables wouldnt actually include much more header than what i have on factions rn

ill set up a preview to show at some point but not at the time

i mainly thought it would be good for employees as rn its an even worse mess just because of how it needs to be listed

[short spire]

Yeah, from a user perspective - I kind of look at tables like indexes for new places to jump for further details.

[jade solstice]

heres the 2 Rubys and youll see why im verifying them

T. "Ruby" Erdene - Lead Pilot
T. "Ruby" Anar - Lead Pilot

[short spire]

Like a big toc for a large category

[jade solstice]

ill have to check first if my stuff even works here anyways lol

one neat thing from my employee tables is that i dont list name first but job

that way you have all people who had the same job together and its directly visible if another one had that job before or after without having ro search for it like you need ro if its sorted after names instead

anyways ill share an exmaple later

[finite rock]

Same. Either this or "i need to collect all of these things rn" for collectibles so I dont need further info

[limber river]

@tight harness is Module:Infobox Item saving to bucket or anything like that?

[finite rock]

Is anyone particularly interested in upcoming updates? I know people are always looking for that sort of info and would probably be something we would want to link on the main page

Literally an "Upcoming updates" page that goes over what upcoming stuff is confirmed and links to where it was mentioned. Usually those announcements end up scattered

[agile spindle]

i made an update history page https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Update_History but forgot to add the roadmap to it

will do that rn

[vague marten]

the only bucket right now is for recipes https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Special:PrefixIndex?prefix=&namespace=9592 - ones for infoboxes could definitely be made if needed

[finite rock]

Yeah that might work, though you might want to have a diff page for upcoming stuff so it doesnt all get muddled together

Especially if you jump w ctrl f, if can be easy to get confused

[agile spindle]

sure i can do that

[jade solstice]

my tables have 3 maybe 4 points if even

Job / Role
Name
Image

anyways need to rly sleep now

[tight harness]

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Special:AllPages?from=&to=&namespace=9592 right now the only bucket is for recipes, but there could totally be an item bucket

I see california beat me to the message 😂

[limber river]

haha

wiki is low tech lol, some of these tables are built by hand and are gross lol

[vague marten]

yea, but at least manual tables give lesser experienced editors a foot in the door to start somewhere, pros and cons

maintaining the same info in multiple places longterm tho, definitely good to bucket some stuff

[limber river]

yeah they game is still early so manual tables still work for now but they become hard to maintain

[magic flare]

How long will the wiki take to be updated fully until the next game update drops?

[agile spindle]

that's impossible to know 😅

but we are working hard

[strong apex]

not sure but a lot of stuff is already on there

is the reason the blooms whisper in the voices of the pioneers ever revealed or is that still unknown

[magic flare]

Sorry, i was just curious lmao thank you a lot for working hard

[tight harness]

shorter the more you help out 😉 Anyone can edit!

[primal geode]

you can deconstruct the command module and chassis

[stiff geyser]

hiya! i'm not actually sure *how * to edit a wiki and i don't want to mess anything up, but i found Ganzo's blackbox in the graveyard caves - depth 230 m, at -303387, 449732, -22974. thanks for all your hard work, editors, i'm impressed by how much info is up already!!

[agile spindle]

i scoured every inch of that cave and couldnt find it 😭 thank you so much

[stiff geyser]

i've been in here for SO long trying to find them all haha 😅 happy to help!!

[primal geode]

and now tuba 2! 😄 (/hj)

[vague marten]

don't be scared to try editing, just hit the edit button in the top right corner on any page - you can't catastrophically mess up anything that can't be easily fixed in 2 clicks

[finite rock]

Believe it's spelled twoba btw

[primal geode]

oh I just took it from the wiki

does anyone have ANY idea where it is?
I spent the last 2 hours looking for the one morgerwyn found (thank you for ending my suffering 😭) but I can go for that now
or 2 hours is a bit disingenous since I was also focusing on progress in general

[agile spindle]

this is what the text says

if i remember correctly they were attacked by tailings in the karakorum region?

[primal geode]

HA, IT IS TUBA
(I had no real idea)

[stiff geyser]

oh that's good to know, thank you!! i'll try it out next time i find something good...

[primal geode]

could just maybe be tailings village?

or close-ish

[agile spindle]

could be

[stiff geyser]

i haven't made it across to karakorum in my solo playthrough yet but i'll see if i can find Tuba 2 as well... i am determined 🔍🤓

[finite rock]

I meant instead of tuba 2 😭

[primal geode]

OH

I'm tired and miss stuff
I swear I've said this tonight already but I couldn't find it

[primal geode]

any ideas on how to keep track of a.. substantial "decision tree"

[vague marten]

like a dialog transcript?

[finite rock]

What are you trying to do?

[primal geode]

oh sorry I took a while I was getting food irl
I'm trying to get screenshots of all the files to just have a collection of them, and I am really struggling to keep track of the tadpole pens one

[narrow reef]

Anyone got the link of subnautica 2 map for matriels?

[primal geode]

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Biomes this is really all we have right now on the wiki
(but real talk, there quite isn't a wiki map yet, and no online maps are affiliated with the wiki)

[finite rock]

We have the Map namespace now so we can actually start adding maps

Im stuck in the car for the next few hours unfortunately i think we can start getting them up in the next day or two

[crude vigil]

all of the cicadas wrecks are now completed

[primal geode]

how much testing has there been around this

it seems to circle around here and there a bit, but it's right about manageable

though difficult

[jaunty solar]

I had an idea that the image would be interactable

[jade solstice]

@agile spindle if i get a infobox for it i can set up first variants for character pages

[tardy sequoia]

someone created a character infobox yesterday I believe

[jade solstice]

aight

someone sende screenshots of Blackbox pda entries plus the Colonist entries please (the ones that have their name,mission role, gender and personality stuff/description)

[primal geode]

is it ok if I dm them I am really not sure the bot (or chat really) would like the wall that would come

I mean I don't have every single one, but I SHOULD have all from the cg side of the trench

[jade solstice]

sure

[jaunty solar]

is there a need for some fancy template or something else

[limber river]

I think most of the templates we need right now are there. Building out content pages is the biggest need at the moment

[finite rock]

Yeah i think looking at #subnautica-2-chat and seeing what people are asking is a big one. We might have info (then we can respond with the answer + page link) or maybe we dont, and we should add it to the relevant page

Bc those are going to be the same things people google and we want to appear for

[jaunty solar]

i said fancy

i dont want to make new ones

just make them look better

[finite rock]

Not exactly fancy but would you want to make the top banners like [[sn2:Template:Stub]] better? On mobile it is extremely squished. Probably the margins

[willow vector]

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Template:Stub

[jaunty solar]

added the things on the sides from the game

[finite rock]

Im sure there are others like that, it might be better to have a general class for messagebox and then apply consistent styles there. But fixing this one would give us a clue of the general fix

[jaunty solar]

yea

[jaunty solar]

ive applied messagebox class to it and separate messagebox-stub

[finite rock]

Nice, it still looks like it has a horizontal scroll though. Is that normal w the current messagebox styling?

[jaunty solar]

horizontal scroll?

i dont see it

[finite rock]

I would expect on mobile that it would be wide enough to not need a scroll (or at least take up more horizontal space)

Kinda hard to show in a pic but on mobile i can still scroll, and sort of have to bc the text is partially hidden

[jaunty solar]

refresh

[finite rock]

Ah yeah there we go, that looks great

[jaunty solar]

We need definitely a better scaffold for such templates

Tables are uh

Not a thing we want

[finite rock]

Oh god is it a table?

[jaunty solar]

Yes

[finite rock]

Thats cursed

Woof. Yeah that's probably worth cleaning up at some point and standardizing those templates across the wikis

There are a couple of massive banner templates that should probably be resized or canned

[jade solstice]

i just randomly found a wiki so bad it hurts

one that feels ai generated

listing stuff like Degasi crew as alterra staff, Their Aurora page lists info on a City in Colorado with that name and write so much amde up info

and the wiki straight up makes up characters

giving them backstory and claiming the devs added them lol

[cerulean beacon]

added all the crates, if someone were to be so kind as to find them all in game and take pictures, that would be greatly appreciated! (and if someone with style skills could make it beautiful, that would also be cool)

[jade solstice]

what if we sort after the content

[cerulean beacon]

or position or anything, to be honest, i just sorted by default python order of my scraper

[cerulean beacon]

like this (imagine as a table)?
first aid kit:

• location1
• location2
  -location3
  Titanium ingot:
• location1
• location2
  -location3

[jade solstice]

@agile spindle i uploaded a wip of the Alterra page to have Equipment and Products both listed

will continue today but had to stop rn

just if your wondering

gonna see to work on them being collapsed

[summer kindle]

The man eating marrowbreach should have its own page

Whatever it was called

Following what we’ve done for other creatures in the past it should be separated

[dire agate]

The big one?

[summer kindle]

Yes

[agile spindle]

disagree they mostly have the same behavior, one just has special animations which can be a section

[summer kindle]

Different scan entry

[dire agate]

they have seperate pda entries tho dont they?

[remote leaf]

Ah

[agile spindle]

really? i didnt even think to check

[summer kindle]

If Ghost Leviathan juveniles and adults which are behaviourally identical get different pages why wouldn’t these get different pages

Larger, different entry, more aggressive supposedly, and has an additional attack animation

[agile spindle]

i dont seem to be able to scan it, it just shares the marrowbreach entry

it's the big one in the graveyard right?

[knotty nimbus]

Am I crazy to think that the big one is the only one signaled by the Houndgars

[summer kindle]

That’s odd

I’ve seen a different entry for it posted

Is the scan entry not naturally available

[agile spindle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[remote leaf]

Oh

Alright, so who decided to to DNA modify the marrowbreach

[agile spindle]

@jade solstice are you sure Jubilee is the name of a group?

[jade solstice]

it is

[agile spindle]

seems like it refers specifically to an Angel Comb, probably the one near the lifepod (in this context)

[knotty nimbus]

It’s a group

[jade solstice]

one pda in a bunker talso about them taking control of sleep bay 3 and cuttimg of the network

[knotty nimbus]

I think it’s clear if you try to say something about the Jubilee to Sophie’s ghost

[agile spindle]

gotcha

[finite rock]

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Special:Search?limit=500&offset=0&profile=default&search=insource%3A%2Fis+a+.*+in+.*Subnautica+2%2Fi

does anyone want to take a crack at rewording pages that have "is a X in Subnautica 2" in the lede? It should be kinda obvious it's in sn2

I dont know if that's all of them, but it should be a small enough batch to tackle

Some of those seem like false positives btw, but should be obvious from looking at the lede

[agile spindle]

do we have nahema's and sophie's full names? we do

hmm

[finite rock]

Slant rhyme detected @sleek thistle ^

Butcher almost sounds like a joke about her job

[agile spindle]

ironically she is a surgeon

[summer kindle]

whoops

Hope this one has been submitted in feedback

[strong apex]

i can, in a bit

[tardy sequoia]

that is actually a nickname for her used by some of the characters

but it probably shouldn't be stated as her actual name

[agile spindle]

which one

[crude vigil]

someone has coordinates of the great jaw?

[crude vigil]

ty

[dire agate]

is being able to change light colors in the game already or no?

[winter raven]

If that interests anyone, I made a quick recolouring of the Periscopic Clowncrab to match the variant found in the Necrolei Hills

The "placeholder" one is in case this can be used for the wiki, but mut be signalled that it is a fan-made unofficial recreation

[crude vigil]

All of the wrecks now have an image and coordinates 🎉

(including unnamed)

[jade solstice]

Butcher is a nickname

several sources confirm her name is Boucher

[crude vigil]

its the english translation for the french name 'Boucher'

[agile spindle]

the name "Butcher" is used multiple times including her official profile

Boucher is only used once

[crude vigil]

bcs its the same thing just different languages

[agile spindle]

evidence mostly points to her name being Sophie Butcher

[jade solstice]

her name with nickname according to several sources is Sohie "Butcher" Boucher

[agile spindle]

where

[crude vigil]

i think its at the origine Sophie Boucher but then got renamed for Sophie Butcher for Alterra

[jade solstice]

its in some pdas ill grab is when im back home

[crude vigil]

that was quick

[jade solstice]

we have snipers

[agile spindle]

correction she doesnt have a profile entry yet but this is an official alterra document

[crude vigil]

here : {{#invoke:Infobox|main}}<noinclude> how can i see the actual main script?

[jade solstice]

that manifest also lists some nicknames as names though and surnames as last names its a mess

ill grab the info when im home

[agile spindle]

it is pretty messy overall

but thats to be expected

[crude vigil]

on this https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn/Template:Infobox

[jade solstice]

i used it as a base and corrected info via pdas and NoA

[agile spindle]

The infoboxes are CSS, they are edited at Module:Infobox_(thing) rather than template

[primal geode]

these two? or is there a third yet?

[jade solstice]

NoA also says it i think

hold of in it untik i can get the info

i am also kinda still researching some names anyways

[summer kindle]

It makes much more sense that Butcher would be the nickname

instead of Boucher

[jade solstice]

her Bunker PDA is called PATIENT CHART: Boucher, S.

So her name is actually Sophie "Butcher" Boucher

[agile spindle]

theyre used interchangeably constantly

she refers to herself as Butcher and Boucher on different occasions

[jade solstice]

well most nicknames the colonists use are used to the extend a military nickname is so it makes sense

they all basicly only use their nicknames

Zip, Ganzo, Rowboat, Twinkle, ....

[primal geode]

I just found this

[jade solstice]

though rn some nicknames are straight up just their surnames lol

[primal geode]

butcher is only the manifest, as far as I see

[agile spindle]

ill move her page to Boucher based on this evidence

[primal geode]

it's not impossible it ties into something about her identity being wrong and messy with "find the real boucher" stuff

[jade solstice]

tye manifest constantly switches between full name, nicknames, Surname Lastname, Lastname Surname

its a mess

thats more because her mind js stuck inside the biobed

[agile spindle]

would love someone to transcribe the whole sophie conversation cuz theres valuable lore in there

[primal geode]

I have screenshots of the tadpole pens NoAs for whatever that's worth

[agile spindle]

im just tryna get a sense of the timeline and causes of death rn

[jade solstice]

all characters on the Alterra or Cicada page that are linked are useable rn for names

rest is wip

[agile spindle]

would be great if they could be posted or transcribed somewhere 🙏

[primal geode]

but how would we do it
it branches and converges and goes circles and....
genuinely I don't understand how to transcribe it that's the issue 😭

[agile spindle]

I made a list with full names on Pioneers as well

[jade solstice]

ill take a look later to see of im missing any

we need to do some digging anyways as its only meant to be 25 plus us

[agile spindle]

all of the graveyard caves blackboxes say that 9 survivors died in the caves looking for zip's blackbox

however we only have 8 blackboxes archived down in that cave, not counting zip's

so we are missing one

[crude vigil]

hey can someone fix all of the gallery on https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Subnautica_2 ?

[jade solstice]

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/T._"Ruby"_Erdene?oldid=6246

Nicknames shouldnt be part of the main name

or at least not the page title

[agile spindle]

disagree because that is her full name as she's known

taking Ruby out of the title name just makes it confusing who it's referring to

[jade solstice]

hm well some nicknames should be left out

like the mess that is Wu "Dr. Wu" Lianhai

or with title
Dr. Wu "Dr. Wu" Lianghai

or Sean "Sean" Harris

[agile spindle]

thats how their profile calls them

[jade solstice]

its still un needed info

a surname isnt a nickname

[finite rock]

you can just make them whatever you expect users to call them and then add redirects for all other ones. Realistically these are probably going to change a bit with updates right?

if so then probably not worth spending a lot of time on

[agile spindle]

yeah, every page has a (Nickname) redirect going straight to it

[jade solstice]

i feel like with taht being the case the nickname doesnt need to be part of the name

considerinf we allready have the also known as on the pages that also has the same nickname

rn we have the nickname already in teh name

and then have that part pf the name again as other name wixh feels like too much

and not even all pages to it

[agile spindle]

because not all pioneers have a nickname in their profile name

[jade solstice]

its all such a mess

[finite rock]

lmk when you make this other version. I have a test setup here, but I can't align the coordinates without knowing the region the map image covers (minX, minY, maxX, maxY) . In my test you can see the lifepod is not in the right place bc im guessing the location https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/User:Andmcadams/MapTest

[jade solstice]

well that explains why the twins "last name" is not the same

[turbid ermine]

Yes, that's exactly for the twins that I asked him.

It didn't make sense to me back then.

[vernal cypress]

Leaflet right? Im using that for testing

[finite rock]

It uses leaflet under the hood

[jade solstice]

also explains
K. "Wander" Wangmo
and
K. "Ander" Anand

and means we know their last name

Kinu

because we know who their mother is

ill take some more looks later

[jade solstice]

though because its a Title Dr Wu should still have Doctor added infront of the name

i mean he earned that title

[agile spindle]

alterra didnt think so

[finite rock]

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Map:Bloom_Nodes
you can edit this if you want to test on my page. Youd just need to change the image (if you don't upload over my existing one) and the mapBounds. Note that I cut off the last two digits bc making the coords huge scales the image in a weird way

[jade solstice]

its still a doctorate though

and if we follow pda name we need to leave out some character literal last name

Kinu "Wander" Wangmo
and
Kinu "Ander" Anand

the children of
Mogami "Mogami" Kinu

[vernal cypress]

we can make it use tiling right? kinda low res

[finite rock]

we cant rn, that's the limitation of this gadget

i did scale down the image to 4096x2048 but we don't have to do that

well actually we might have to because iirc the image was like 20mb

we should add tiling support though

[jade solstice]

thats the lifepod i think

would fit

[vernal cypress]

Yeah tiling is gonna be a must as the map gets bigger

[finite rock]

yeah, it's definitely on the roadmap

sooner rather than later

[jade solstice]

i feel like the character info box should have a family section

[agile spindle]

that would make sense, im just setting up the pages rn

[jade solstice]

oh and most (but not all) of them also need more affiliations added

Alterra, Cicada / Cicada Crew, Mongolian States formerly for some

[agile spindle]

pioneers implies all of those

[primal geode]

so very dumb question but I don't really use google drive.
I can't like, mess it up TOO bad right? so if I share a link to the file it's JUST that file?

I'm trying to somehow share the few dozen screenshots of NoA and pioneer text

[jade solstice]

pioneers is nothing but an alterra sub group though

[agile spindle]

please check the "ping" thing off when you reply to me btw

[jade solstice]

what ping

[delicate flax]

Is there gonna be a few updates with early access or not really

[jade solstice]

technically the affiliations are

Alterra Corporation
Pioneer Programm / Pioneers
Cicada Crew

*Cicada Survivors

for some formerly the Mongolian states, and for at least 2 i think we know of old colonies they where part off

[finite rock]

does anyone care if i remove the "Acquisition" section here and just add it to the lede for the biomods? It's always a single sentence and just makes the page kind of annoying to use on mobile
https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Dermal_Garden

[jade solstice]

its allready listed in the infobox anyways

though maybe the Bio Scan part of the source link should be changed to link to a Bioscanner page then

[finite rock]

it's nice if it shows up in the hover preview + gets matched on search and google. Having it in the infobox is fine but doesnt help with those

[obsidian cloak]

I see a map is being worked on, i was actually about to do that myself, even setup a local dev enviroment to not spam the wiki

[jade solstice]

i can see your profile allready aiming at the ones making it

[agile spindle]

does gender: W mean woman?

[obsidian cloak]

Prolly

[jade solstice]

Wamen

[obsidian cloak]

What plugin is being used?

[vernal cypress]

Thats just leaflet@1.9.4

[obsidian cloak]

Why not just use the map extension by media wiki? It has leaflet support

[vernal cypress]

we will use it

its just for local testing

[knotty nimbus]

It means Waterslug

[obsidian cloak]

gotcha

[finite rock]

does anyone want to slap some prose on https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Water ? I noticed it doesn't have any

[winter raven]

Ouh, I can see it's getting its own widget image ! Does that mean you're using my placeholder, or a screenshot from the game, like for the HiHat and Awnworm ?

[frozen jay]

so ive been editing stuff on the fandom wiki in regards to subnautica 2, but I just saw a message that the fandom wiki is only for subnautica and bz. is that correct?

[knotty nimbus]

There are new wikis for both games linked in the description of this channel

[frozen jay]

ohhh i see

thanks

[agile spindle]

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Pioneers okayyyyy finally all NPCs have their own pages with the blackbox locations and any databanks that are relevant to them

going to take a break for lunch then will write up a general outline of the Story with what ive learned from all that reading

all the pioneers have redirects from their nickname as well

[finite rock]

both are off fandom now! the new wikis are at
https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/
and
https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn/ (bz and sn1 for now, hopefully splitting down the line)

really the wikis just moved to new domain and off fandom, the content has all been copied over so all old edits are still there. They aren't totally "new"

[proud flax]

Winner

[frozen jay]

idk she more lost than won lol

[proud flax]

Nahema is a winner

[strong apex]

im advocating for the removal of the "recipe" field on infoboxes bc its redundant

and then we can either leave the recipe template as is bc you can see item names by hovering over them or add the item names to the display

[summer kindle]

Yea we were thinking of that

[strong apex]

i just wanna get the go ahead from a wiki keeper first lol

[solar totem]

If the decision is to go ahead with removing the recipe from infoboxes then there needs to be text on the page somewhere for mobile and users where the image isn't sufficient. I'd imagine folks want to see the thing at-a-glance and not be limited to 'hover to see what this is'.

[vague marten]

Remember hovering isn't a thing on mobile

[strong apex]

i forgot abt that

[solar totem]

Since at least one of the right folks is on, loving the 'Uses item list' module but noticed that when a time is specified for a machine, it's a bit close to any following recipe. For example, on Silver

It looks even tighter on mobile.

I tried to figure out how to pad the rows but didn't quite get there.

[vague marten]

this should be fixed now, there were negative margins on the crafting time in site css

[primal geode]

looks right to me

[solar totem]

Yep, looking good. Thx!

[crisp birch]

absolutely stoked to see we have a real wiki!

[jade solstice]

my theory on the EVA Suits being based on the spacesuits used by for rxample nasas for EVAs is correct

the PDA entry for the EVA Prep wreck confirms the suits were used for "spaceborne construction"

[jaunty solar]

fixed the table css
https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/User:Nextrg/common.css

the background behind the rounded corners was annoying me

[vague marten]

nice - the parser profiling table isn't fixed with this (edit source any page, then preview, scroll to the bottom and expand parser profiling), and it removes some rounding on bucket data tables (eg https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Bucket:Recipe)

[jade solstice]

alterra page will be updated while im at work tomorrow

[dire agate]

The any actual in-game bug fixes this update or no?

[agile spindle]

not according to the patch notes

[dire agate]

Hopefully there will be one soon then

[strong apex]

should articles about unreleased content be put on the wiki? all of this could easily change before release and could easily spread misinfo

at the very least we should put a notice that this is unreleased and could change

[agile spindle]

all the information on the page is public info that the devs have said

[strong apex]

oh really

i hadnt heard any of this

we should add sources then

[agile spindle]

would have to ask gem about that, i hadnt heard it either ;p

[remote leaf]

It helps to put them there as people still search for the terms

Having a page is better than "this page doesnt exists"

[strong apex]

fair enough

[primal geode]

Anthony has talked loads about the big sub, including by name
It's also mentioned in the files as .bank
Furthermore, it's seen by name only in one of the earlier dev vlogs

Collector or building unknown worlds

[primal geode]

By all accounts, everything here should be accurate

[strong apex]

i assumed this was all datamined info my bad

[primal geode]

It's good to be wary and confirm it, but in this case it just happened to be public stuff

[agile spindle]

if you know where it's from, could you cite it? that way readers know where the info comes from

[primal geode]

absolutely!
I'm going through the vlogs for that mention rn

Subnautica 2 Dev Vlog - Creating the Collector Leviathan 6:30
https://youtu.be/w1M4b6PneFk?si=rikeLK7QB2i4SsKx&t=387
#subnautica-2-chat message acquire
#subnautica-2-chat message trademark

but I don't really know if there's a certain way one is supposed to add or refer to screenshots like that

[vernal cypress]

"Trident" is also scrapped so it shouldnt even be on the wiki anymore

[primal geode]

when did they say it's scrapped?

[primal geode]

ah

[agile spindle]

yea but lots of people were searching Trident so the page is just there to show that we know nothing about it

probably could mention the name is scrapped though

[primal geode]

also the name is still needed for any of this to make sense
it all still does pertain to the big sub

it should be mentioned though yeah

[remote leaf]

Okay so

Rename the page to BigSub

Then add a redirect

[strong apex]

can only admins change page names? it wont let me

[primal geode]

we can move them which essentially does the same
I don't know if there's a "change name"

[strong apex]

ah alr

[primal geode]

I feel like the link to the repair tool should be removed

we have no evidence that is how it will work, and honestly I think it will be more akin to the turbine at the karakorum plant anyway
not that the habitat builder should be mentioned either

[strong apex]

i'll do that as well

nvm already got done

[ruby widget]

howdy

ive returned to continue work on the noa alerts list

nope. i've become annoyed that the rebreather page doesn't tell me what wrecks the rebreather can be found in

[primal geode]

at least the lander garage

[strong apex]

theres one with dual doors that need to be repaired

is that the lander garage idk their names

and i remember seeing it a lot in karakorum

[primal geode]

it is yes

[ruby widget]

i shall copy the formatting in Tadpole

[primal geode]

the wrecks say which ones the rebreather can be found in, just not the other way around

[ruby widget]

it will soon be the other way around too

gimme like 30 minutes

[primal geode]

I don't believe the zezura survey thing #subnautica-2-chat message is mentioned anywhere in the game currently, right?

[ruby widget]

be me. tab over to the wiki to write something about rebreather. get smashed by a smashfish

[vague marten]

what do y'all think of having the recipe usages as a more compact table rather than the same bubbles as the main recipe?

[remote leaf]

that looks nice

can we uh, remove that duration section though

[vague marten]

i'm guessing that's only applicable to processor?

[remote leaf]

well, all things have a timer

but it doesn't really look good when 90% of the cells are "None" at least imo

[agile spindle]

it only matters for the processor

fabricator is never more than like 3 seconds

[remote leaf]

I dont like how the lifeforms page has a biomod section when most of them lack a biomod, it looks bad

[tight harness]

could change it to instant instead of none?

[agile spindle]

the lifeform page just sucks

we need a different format entirely

[remote leaf]

it can also just be omitted

the crafting length can be put on the processor page

[tight harness]

yeah thats true it doesn't need to be on the uses page

[torpid galleon]

im sorry but- what

[remote leaf]

we need to start cracking down on quality

starting off with whoever keeps putting bulletpoints in the behavior sections

[primal geode]

it's more work but would it visually make sense to use this format for the processor crafted items under a "used in the processor" and list that separately below fabricating

just throwing that out there. omitting entirely is a good solution

[vernal cypress]

Can i somehow override locally https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/MediaWiki:Gadget-maps.js for testing?

[ruby widget]

rebreather has been improved

🎉

[remote leaf]

minor grammar mistake

[vague marten]

in your account preferences, go to the gadgets tab, and you can disable interactive maps gadget, then load your own js

[vernal cypress]

Ty!

[finite rock]

what are you changing in the js itself? At least for a first pass i wouldnt think we would need to do anything there, unless youre working on tiling or something

[vernal cypress]

Tiling but I also need the coordinate to rotate since everyone decided that the map must be rotated to -90

[vague marten]

tbh a lot of those pages of just large tables could be auto generated based on the data from the infoboxes on all their individual pages, rather than maintaining the same info in both places

[finite rock]

i think for the rotation we can just change the mapBounds, right?

[agile spindle]

i would lovvve for that to be the case because keeping them consistent with pages is impossible

[remote leaf]

it is fun doing stuff like this

makes everything so much easier

[finite rock]

can we get an initial version without tiling? It might require us to scale down the image. But I think getting any version of that live would be huge, and then we can worry about tiling. I think in order to do it efficiently we have to be careful about how we upload images too

[vernal cypress]

Yeah I got a simple version working

Its very zoomed in \

[finite rock]

oh nice, where at? We can start getting folks to add maps where they would be most useful

[finite rock]

interesting, i can also take a look. I know the mapbounds have some weird effects on image scaling

[vernal cypress]

the one on your profile should work

same setup but i had to unlock the zoom on mine

[finite rock]

oh okay yeah this is why i chopped off the two least significant digits

[vernal cypress]

ignoring the rotation issue

[finite rock]

but yeah maybe we can just fix the zoom instead. Im not sure if leaflet uses significantly more resources with the bigger dimensions offhand

just to be clear, the lifepod should be roughly where this circle is, right?

i only have my macbook so i havent had a chance to boot up the game yet

[vernal cypress]

yeah its a bit above

[late island]

not above the hole, no. a bit farther north

[finite rock]

ah okay yeah i see now

[vernal cypress]

also this is not the final map image, this one's rushed

[finite rock]

i think that's fine for now. For our purposes we actually dont need it to be perfect, as long as nothing is too egregious

we can always update it, and will need to as the map gets updated

but just out of curiosity, what makes it rushed? Just quality?

[vernal cypress]

some meshes missing and some weird landscape

[proud flax]

Seeing this map makes me wonder if we are going to get more content anywhere but North, I hope we get more stuff in the other directions, it would be nice to be able to have a reason to backtrack and update bases yknow

[finite rock]

@vernal cypress what are the actual values of each of

        [
            -386840,
            268460
        ],
        [
            -59160,
            596140
        ]
    ],
```? Like which is supposed to be minX, minY, maxX, maxY?

just so i can make sure I'm not screwing stuff up when I'm debugging

[vernal cypress]

[[MinX, MinY], [MaxX, MaxY]]

Min being bottom left and Max top right

[finite rock]

hm, i ended up not needing to fix anything to get the lander pin working (still really zoomed in). For some reason the pin is just a bit off from where the pod appears on the map. How confident are we that the coords on https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Lifepod are correct?

well i had to change the lifepod pin coords themselves in the Map: file

[ruby widget]

don't trust any coords

standing in the middlish of my lifepod im at -337201, 433409, 235

[vernal cypress]

yeah

[vague marten]

all the lifeform infobox data is being saved now https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Bucket:Infobox_lifeform?limit=500&offset=0&title=Bucket%3AInfobox_lifeform
just have to make a module to build a proper table out of it - it could be separated into sections like on the current lifeform page, or just one larger table similar to that raw data one

[supple wedge]

Maps real uh
Vertical huh

[agile spindle]

amazing thank you

[finite rock]

hm, this still doesnt seem to line up

[ruby widget]

i'll go try again

[finite rock]

I'm thinking the coords might be right but are just not showing up correctly on the map

for some reason

whether thats a technical issue with the map or with some way that the map is rendered

[ruby widget]

figure out how those are off and i'll head off somewhere and we can do it again

if they are both off in the same way then easy fix

@finite rockdirectly in front of the old habitat noa terminal is -337261, 396660, -4447

[finite rock]

where should it actually be? I see it next to the great jaw

[vernal cypress]

I see the issue

[finite rock]

oh nice

[vernal cypress]

its calling .reverse() when u putcoordinateOrder to xy

which is not correct

[limber river]

it doesnt make sense to me to have recipe on Module:Infobox Item if you have it on the recipe template that is saved to bucket

[finite rock]

are you sure that's the problem? I guess I'd be a bit surprised bc the lifepod seemed only slightly off in the Y dir

[remote leaf]

already planned to remove it

[finite rock]

and not like the coords were flipped

[remote leaf]

infoboxes wont have recipes in the future

[limber river]

sounds great

hard to maintain the data is two spots

[vernal cypress]

it is

I think the lifepod coord being only slightly off just a coincidence

[finite rock]

okay, so then if i flip the coords for the markers, we should get the right pins?

Just as a test since i think changing the xy -> yx will affect other things

[vernal cypress]

if u remove xy u should the lifepod coords at

which is correct on the proper rotated map

[finite rock]

do you want to take a crack at the map file changes? Im struggling wifi approximately as effective as smoke signals

[vernal cypress]

So we can either leave the rotation default or try to write some code to convert it properly

Also the zoom must be unlocked

I unlocked mine locally but its just changing 1 line

this is probably an issue

[vague marten]

if you have the gadget disabled, you also have the styles for it disabled https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/MediaWiki:Gadget-maps.css

[vernal cypress]

makes sense

[finite rock]

If you give me a reasonable min there i can change it in a bit

[ruby widget]

we have a working map?

[tight harness]

you need to offset the pin. Look at gta wiki

the default in leaflet is that the pin is centered on the coord, not the tip of the teardrop

[finite rock]

It was off enough that it wasnt just that, but we will also need to do that

[vernal cypress]

-10 / -9 feels good

[finite rock]

Alright, can update that in a bit, but the js will be cached (~15 min iirc) unless you add the query param debug=2 to your url

changed to -10

[vernal cypress]

our setup works good rn

[finite rock]

@vernal cypress do you want to generate a better quality map and then spin up one using the bloom node coords? We can just use regular pins for now. Once we get one up and have instructions on how the coords work, i think we should start adding maps wherever they might be useful (wrecks, blackboxes, fixed resources, etc)

[vernal cypress]

Sure

damn it

[agile spindle]

i found the crimson shrimp in the one place we never thought to look

the main menu

[knotty nimbus]

Does the main menu use mesh blend I feel like I’m going crazy out here

[primal geode]

I am delighted and immeasurably disappointed at this

Is there a point in trying to guess nationalities for the npcs for their pages?
Currently, we know there's mongolians, a finn and a lithuanian, everything else is guesswork, but will be added later

[agile spindle]

there's an australian too

[finite rock]

Can just put unknown for the unknown ones for now

Guessing is just going to make it more confusing if it turns out youre wrong down the line

[primal geode]

True
It's future proofing, and we know some, but I don't imagine guessing and being wrong would go down all that well

[finite rock]

I have almost never seen guessing or prepopulating wiki stuff go well

You get a lot of really weird prose that ends up sticking around longer than it should in some cases "is an NPC" and just plain wrong info in others

And then the person who initially did it probably spent a good amount of their time on this thing that ends up being wrong/unhelpful

[vernal cypress]

does this look accurate

[vague marten]

the only thing worth prepopulating is an edit button 😛

[agile spindle]

looks accurate to me

[vernal cypress]

Done

this can be deleted https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/File:SN2_DebugMap_Optimized.jpg

[vague marten]

@remote leaf how's this? [[sn2:User:Californ1a]]

[willow vector]

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/User:Californ1a

[vague marten]

some category section names are probably wrong (eg coral and corals), but it's pulling them directly from the catagory param in the infoboxes

could also just switch it to a single table each (for mobile, sessile, and other/unknown) and put the category in a column instead, rather than sections

[jade solstice]

one colonist is a former Alterra "Educational Cadre"

and some were Mongolian Colonists that seemignly just had gotten into colonies / started living that life style including taking a mongolian name when the Mongolian States collapsed

Dr. Wu for example is a grandfather who lost his entire family

ill throw the info into a doc later i think

[jaunty solar]

having coordinates translate to position here would be awesome. theres many coordinates given in the wiki but theyre quite weird to use. having a conversion with a map would make finding stuff much clearer

[jade solstice]

yeah i hate having to use the pause menu and hope i moved the right direction just to see i diddnt

[waxen plume]

@agile spindle heya I've seen your message about editing the official Subnautica wiki Question is: I'm also a French contributor and I asked Donya tho she hasn't answered yet as to whether they can give us the right to add a page layout for the translation in other languages, do you guys know if they just haven't added it yet or if it's there but I just missed it?

[jaunty solar]

the easiest way would be taking min/max X and Y values and calculating which spot it is

[jade solstice]

theres a reason i travel in SN1 via landmarks

well that and the compass

[jaunty solar]

i guess

[jade solstice]

i sometimes had a map open but just one that shows the biom areas

but mainly i travel via bioms

like knowing that the red grass with radiation will be the one towards the Aurora

i also allways build mainly 1 mega base and move every material i can find there opten withultiple trips

like how i had a base with every single decoration you can find

oh and yes at least on PS its still possible to get stuff like the Aurora Miniature twice because it respawns after some time

[jade solstice]

took screenshots to work on Alterra away from my Xbox

... got some work ahead

[finite rock]

what are the deposits called that have lithium in them? Do we have pages for those (or should they be on the lithium page?)

Are they just "lithium deposits"? Do you need to use something like the sonic resonator?

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Lithium doesnt really describe them at all but i am pretty sure i have seen those deposits in gameplay footage

[limber river]

Do we have a standard style guide for the names of sections and their order?

[jade solstice]

pda uses a diffrent name for it

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Power_Storage

[finite rock]

i dont think so, I would just copy a page that seems to be doing fairly well. All that can be cleaned up after the fact

[jade solstice]

i found where that weird clearly ai made wiki infound got its info

they AI they used read 4546b and Rakshasa and instea of realising its another planet made up a detailed backstory on a character of that name who it claimed was an alterra survivor on 4546b who wrote like every single PDA entry on it

[limber river]

I would assume its a bug but its best to copy verbatim

[jade solstice]

id assume one of the 2 will change in updates

as a Capacitor is used to store electrical energy

so its the same thing but 2 names rn

i mean they clearly focused on the ones that are needed for the story first

[finite rock]

How do you get the coordinates? Noticing they are different than whats on [[sn2:Bloom]] for the nodes

[willow vector]

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Bloom

[vernal cypress]

They should be the same, mine being a bit more accurate since it's from in-game

[finite rock]

Hm, okay as long as there's no translation required then we should be fine

I'm going to throw this on the bloom node page

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Bloom_Node
we are live

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Bioscanner i think a page like this would really benefit from a map for example. Just marking where the wreck is and/or where specifically the bioscanner is

all we have to do now is copy/paste https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Map:Bloom_Nodes and change the coordinates to include each thing we want on the map

[vernal cypress]

Adding the coordinates in the popup description might also be useful

[waxen plume]

Quick question: I've seen other wikis mentioning elements not found in the EA and probably for post-launch, should it be added to the official wiki?

[limber river]

Blackboxes and anything with specific coords would be nice to add maps to.

for an official wiki probably not

[vernal cypress]

Nah it was said that the official wiki should focus on the main public branch with current released content

[waxen plume]

Sounds good, that's what I thought, thank you!

[finite rock]

agree, ive got some other stuff here https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/User:Andmcadams

[vernal cypress]

It's also pretty much impossible to tell what is scrapped or reserved for the future until the game is fully out, maybe in 2-3 years we will have pages for that

[finite rock]

but i am open to ideas, i still cant play the game bc it's windows only so i am probably missing a bunch of cool ideas

[vague marten]

there could be a page like "upcoming updates" for things that are confirmed for sure, but definitely want to avoid speculation or stuff that isn't possible without modding

[vernal cypress]

I'm also not done with my playthrough, spoiled the whole game for myself to get a wiki map asap

[finite rock]

i think we have that, tueman made it the other day iirc

[limber river]

we have [[Planned features]]

[finite rock]

your sacrifice will be remembered 🫡

[vague marten]

ah nice, I saw you discussing it but didn't see if it had been made or not

[limber river]

you guys can rename it if you want but it exists

[finite rock]

smoked by Title case pages

i added a redir

[jade solstice]

making progress with the alterra page

rn im adding in labled stuff that is in small details

if you find anything

specialy alterra made stuff

let me know

only in SN2 for now

[finite rock]

have you played a decent amount of the game? Itd be really good if we could get better coverage of the really basic stuff

[jade solstice]

on what exactly

[finite rock]

like are there lithium nodes? https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Lithium
i added that bit about the sonic resonator but i dont actually know if it's correct

[jade solstice]

i can see if i can find out later

[finite rock]

similar issues with pages like https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Titanium and other ores. We don't say anything about how you break apart deposits or have pictures of the deposits

[woeful scroll]

im going through some PDA data and i think a piece of information on the bloom/proteavirus wiki pages is the wrong way around ||both pages seem to say that the base proteavirus is what causes masefield, while the bloom stops the masefield from being released, but this datapoint from the old habitat says the reverse, that the bloom strain is the one causeing masefield syndrome||
its very possible ive missed another datapoint disproving this one though

[jade solstice]

though my main field of work on the wiki is faction details

Members, Divisions, Locations, Equipment, Products, and more

[finite rock]

If you change the page, you can just include that you were going based off this in the edit summary. Then if someone else comes along and changes it later on (or you later on!), they can see why you changed it in the first place

[jade solstice]

fun fact the lore names for the 2 chassis we have rn is Scout Ray Hydrofoil and HAUL rig

HAUL means Heavy Utility Lifter

[summer kindle]

yeah I really need to have a full read through all of the info about the different Proteavirus strains so I can write a fully accurate page on this

[tardy sequoia]

there are, in the great jaw and graveyard caves

I‘ll see if I can get some images for those

i don’t think lithium even spawns outside of deposits from what I have seen

[woeful scroll]

ive made a start with it on the proteavirus and bloom pages, but to be honest i am not great at writing wiki pages so would love for someone to take a proper look at my attempts and making sure all the info ive put in there is written away more clearly/concisely (and fact checked)

[finite rock]

oh really? That's probably worth stating on the page, I didn't get that impression as a reader at least

[limber river]

i love that we just borrow from other WG wikis lol.. they all follow a similar style

[tardy sequoia]

I‘ll need to check that, but I haven’t seen individual lithium nodes at all yet

(which means that the sonic resonator is a requirement for obtaining Lithium, so it probably should be noted on the page, yeah)

[finite rock]

yeah that's the kind of early game stuff that i think we really need to cover

I dont understand the "source" param in the infobox so i assume most other readers dont either

for ex, does this mean that it is just found free floating? Or is it a deposit I have to break apart? In sn1 there are both deposits and individual forms for most things (everything?) so it isn't obvious to me

[jade solstice]

source shoudl prob be a nit longer saying you need to harvets it with from a lead node

[tardy sequoia]

I had another look and got some images, but I can neither prove nor disprove that individual Lithium nodes exist
the question is whether absence of evidence is evidence of absence in this case

[tardy sequoia]

It's a node attached to a wall or the seafloor, there's multiple different variants of them
One you can just pick up, one has to be broken by hand or tool like the outcrops from SN and BZ and a third needs to be harvested with the Sonic Resonator

though, I don't know if this could be made any clearer in just a small infobox word

[finite rock]

i think this is something that should just not be in the infobox so that it can be properly explained

[tardy sequoia]

that would probbly help, yeah

[finite rock]

do you want to give it a shot on lead or lithium?

[tardy sequoia]

sure, I'll see what i can do

wait, the Lead zone doesn't have lead listed as a local resource?
lmao

it's even on the image

[tardy sequoia]

Actually, would it perhaps be easier to have a separate page on resource nodes and then list which of the nodes it can spawn as?
that would mean not having to explain the small, medium, large nodes on every page, but it makes it less intuitive because it just throws "Node" at the reader and makes them look up what a node is

[summer kindle]

I think it’s fine to explain each time

just say

• it can spawn as single pieces in the floor
• it can spawn as a node that needs to be broken with a multitool
• it can spawn as a large node that must be broken with the sonic resonator

[finite rock]

Yeah i would just repeat it each time. It might not always be the same for each (for ex if titanium doesnt have a single form)

plus then we can have images of each

[jade solstice]

can someone get me some screenshots? of the parts of wrecks and decoration scrap around them

[gritty bramble]

is there any wiki page that documents all the audio transcripts found in subnuatica 2?
im trying to go through it all without having to replay the game

[mighty thorn]

In sn2, right?

[jade solstice]

yes

[mighty thorn]

Alr what specific scrap, a bit more details. I can rq go do that.

[jade solstice]

@summer kindle
the Alterra Website from the job postion event confirmed that the Keep Calm Cat is an alterra created mascot right?

as its all over that page in designs unique to it

[jade solstice]

all of it from hull parts down to chairs

[mighty thorn]

Ohhh so just

The entirety of wrecks

Any specific area choice you want?

[jade solstice]

i am trying to see if i can identify what the parts are

be it hull parts, piping furniture,...

[mighty thorn]

Alr, so I can js go through all the wrecks in the starting area then?

[jade solstice]

ill take wahtever i can get

[leaden plinth]

One lithium spawns in a clam in a wreck site near the Great Jaw

[mighty thorn]

If you need a lot of screen shots I can try and go through every wreck in the game

But that'd take a lot of time

[leaden plinth]

Its the one just outside the base with the audio log of the Things arguing about swears

[leaden plinth]

Wander has an audio log where she tells Nahema that Wu is wrong

Do we have audio files of all the blackboxes yet?

[mighty thorn]

Like this, before i start taking more? Or do you prefer another method of taking screenshots.

[tardy sequoia]

wait really?
that's silly 😭

[jade solstice]

mainly i need the single parts of the wreck not yhe full view

[mighty thorn]

alr, so just go through different part types. Internal or External, or both?

[mighty thorn]

Also, More like this?

[leaden plinth]

If anyone's ingame right now, can you send me a screenshot of Wander and Ander's databank profiles

[mighty thorn]

Sadly I don't have Ander.

[woeful scroll]

i also seem to lack Ander

[woeful scroll]

oh interesting, do you remember which one/where it is, cause then ill go and relisten to it in a new save

[leaden plinth]

I believe its the one in the spider dome

Wander (Blackbox 01)

[leaden plinth]

Thank you my game was updating but this could've saved me time theorizing earlier lo

[summer kindle]

We’re not there yet I don’t think but we’re working on it

[gritty bramble]

that will be a blessing when it happen 🙏

[leaden plinth]

Where would I put the use of matronymics in the Mongolian states article?

Under trivia?

[summer kindle]

You could create a heading called “Customs”

Or “Cultural Practices”

[leaden plinth]

Maybe just Culture?

[summer kindle]

yeah or just culture

[leaden plinth]

Would this be alright to put between History and Locations

[summer kindle]

Yes

[leaden plinth]

What does New Tara mean?

Oh never mind

[jade solstice]

yes

[jade solstice]

both

[jade solstice]

if you eant it added send it to me im reworking my work on that article

[leaden plinth]

What is the category for pioneer profiles called in the databank?

Also can I get the profile for the Things (any of them work)

[mighty thorn]

Alright for more opinions, do these work well too?

just overall trying to get a idea of how you want the screenshots, and such

[jade solstice]

thats great

[mighty thorn]

Night view?

Or should I wait for day

[leaden plinth]

Ugh this game needs to update faster, can I also get Anita's profile?

[mighty thorn]

Using a tadpole to light it up

out of view

[jade solstice]

night is fine as long as its visible

[woeful scroll]

yeah it was that one, it has made me more curious as to what is going on with both strains of the proteavirus, ||since im personally hesitant to confidently say if either one is 'causing' masefield, especially with nahema's 'we must voluntarily die' datapoint saying that they invented the lie of masefield syndrome||
feels like the start of more information later in the story rather than something we can be confident in at this point with the many conflicting points
might be worth documenting the various in universe theories from the conflicting information points (including wanders scan contradicting the earlier information in universe) rather than factually saying any of them are fact?

[mighty thorn]

Externals from a wreck, do you also want just overall all of the platings or should I skip over most of these now?

[leaden plinth]

Yeah that's what I was thinking, there's no certain answer yet and a lot of conflicting theories

[mighty thorn]

I believe Ive sent through everything a lot of externals from one wreck

[mighty thorn]

I can rq compile it all, too

[leaden plinth]

Thank you, I noticed Anita was one of two(?) colonists with their gender marked as W

I think one of the Things was the other one

[woeful scroll]

i think documenting the theories at this point would be interesting to look back on later in development

[leaden plinth]

I'll update her article

[summer kindle]

Proteavirus Beta is the one that causes the Bloom iirc

[leaden plinth]

What do I put it down as. Just W?

[summer kindle]

yeah

[leaden plinth]

We don't know what it stands for

[summer kindle]

Idk jsut leave it as is actually

[woeful scroll]

yeah their seems to be an inconsistency with colonists data using a mix of F and W to mark gender, which to me seems like an accidental oversight when the patient chart explicitly uses F(emale) for Sex and W(oman) for gender, so id think that the colonist gender markers are supposed to be W instead of F, but it got missed

for now id just leave them as written in the datapoints but i wouldn't be surprised if later on they get edited in game to all be either F or W

although im personally hoping at least one colonist data point ends up with a NB/X instead of M/F/W

[leaden plinth]

Honestly I took W to mean a fictional nonbinary gender lol, Subnautica's world is vastly different and ahead of ours

[woeful scroll]

thats also possible yeah

[leaden plinth]

But yeah there's one more person, I don't remember off the top of my head who

Update finishes in 7 minutes so i'll know then

I miss uni wifi

[woeful scroll]

the others ive got in my in game list are gram and raster

[leaden plinth]

Can you also confirm what the Things genders are? The wiki lists them as ?

[woeful scroll]

i havent got a colonist page for them, so i think we dont know yet

[leaden plinth]

Got it

[mighty thorn]

@jade solstice I finished one wreck, should I send all the images here or dm you them?

[jade solstice]

dm

[leaden plinth]

Last thing before i can save this commit ^^

[tardy sequoia]

it's just "Pioneers"

[woeful scroll]

missed this, in my databank its colonists!

[tardy sequoia]

wait, it is?

oh I looked at the section with Blackbox information, sorry

[leaden plinth]

Thank you! Now how do I format that for a reference...

I was thinking Databank Entry - Colonists > Wander or just Databank Entry - Wander

[woeful scroll]

i would say the first, since theres also a blackbox entry with just the name wander, and it removes ambiguity as to which one's meant

[summer kindle]

won-winary… the future sure is incredible

[winter raven]

Winery won ? Good for grapes !

[summer kindle]

True…

[finite rock]

can someone grab the coordinates for the angel comb where you get digestion? making a map for the page rn

didnt see them on the wiki but might have just missed them

[jade solstice]

the NoA we are connected with in game is
"Noetic Advisor node ISV-CI-DSB3"

not sure about all parts but SB3 prob stands for Sleep Bay 3 which that node was managing when Jubilee cut its connection to the rest of the colony

[summer kindle]

It’s on the bloom page

-330748, 419041, -1207

[finite rock]

ah tysm

[jade solstice]

the NoA we have also isnt NoA itself but just one single node of it

so theres a good chance taht if we ever het the Cicada itself well confront the actuak NoA that wiped colonists memories

our NoA doesnt know everything it does

[woeful scroll]

im guessing it'd be InterStellar Vehicle - CIcada - D? Sleep Bay 3
assuming CI means cicada, not sure what the D would stand for at this point, could be Docked? but thats just a random guess

[lusty loom]

Me when I thought bloom was a fungus for the longest time

Idk I’m still kinda confused and looking into it

[leaden plinth]

There used to be something on the Collector's page about it collecting pearls, was that removed? What was the original source of that information

[lusty loom]

I assume it had something to do with the Great Jaws Lithium Pearls

Since we Know it eats Great Jaws

[jade solstice]

found more info

ISV:
AISV is the Cicadas Prefix

CI:
could be Cicada

DSB3:
D idk but SB3 is Sleep Bay 3

[lusty loom]

I assume later there will be a collector lair with more of the pearls and maybe some Other stuff it’s collected

[leaden plinth]

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Collector_Leviathan?diff=prev&oldid=3365
It was removed here but I can't find a primary source for it

[tardy sequoia]

the Collector isn’t currently in it’s "natural habitat" where it was intended to be, nor does it have the behavior it was supposed to have I believe, they just put it there for EA so there’s a threat to the region

[woeful scroll]

i think from either of these bits (screenshot is from a dev log i believe, probably the collector related one)

[leaden plinth]

It's one of Gemma's commits probably

[lusty loom]

Also Have any of you found references to the collector in any of the Pioneer logs or Blackboxes, it feels like a weird thing to have never mentioned

[leaden plinth]

ta7 gotcha

[leaden plinth]

No but that ties into EA threat I guess

[jade solstice]

so we prob should have 2 NoA pages in teh future kf it happens

one for NoA itself who will prob be plot relevant

and one for Noetic Advisor node ISV-CI-DSB3 aka "NoA" who is on our side and actually helps us

[lusty loom]

I wonder if the collector wasn’t around until recently (Which has some things against this theory but idk)

Idk it’s been what.. 23 years since the crash

[jade solstice]

nah the Collectors clearly just a reference to Hoarding Subnautica Players like me

i need every titanium i see

[tardy sequoia]

it’s not where it‘s "supposed to be", so the colonists likely wouldn’t have encountered it in the full story

[finite rock]

hm @vernal cypress something else we might want to consider is making it so maps can have their focus area/center set. I don't want to add a map to [[sn2:Digestion]] that just reveals the entire map because it's pretty early game + it makes it harder for readers to figure out where they are

[willow vector]

https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Digestion

[finite rock]

i think that's a pretty easy thing to add to the current gadget

[lusty loom]

Idk, I refer to mine as NoA and the others as NOa personally

[jade solstice]

NoA is the short for the AI system itself

the diffrences are the diffrent nodes

[lusty loom]

I know, But I internally view them differently though name variations rather than serial/system

[jade solstice]

and our node we use is the Forcefully dosconnected sleep bay node that we uploaded into a lifepod

[leaden plinth]

Something else I wanna confirm, do Hammerheads instant aggro if you use a repair tool near them?

One of my friends told me this but I haven't tested yet

[jade solstice]

imagine our NoA trying to stop the main NoA from wiping our mind

also i wouldnt be surprised if it turns out that the colonists that permamently died from their blackbox not being able to find their connected biobed was the main NoAs doing

[summer kindle]

Yes, we saw in pre-release behaviour screenshots that the Collector had specific interaction with “pearls” and that there was a “pearl stash”

[leaden plinth]

I thought that was because the wire to Sleep Bay 3 was severed?

[jade solstice]

it was severed but the colonists had build habitats with biobeds in them

[leaden plinth]

Does permadeath mean that fork of the colonist? As in next reprint is freshly memory wiped like the one of Zip

[jade solstice]

no it means total data loss

[leaden plinth]

Oh

I don't think that fits with NoA's "won't stop at anything to complete the mission" mentality we've seen so far then; more beneficial to reset their fork than completely eradicate them

[jade solstice]

the pda states for them that there path ended

some are still alive though as of their latest recordings

and some are unknown as there data was send to biobeds that couldnt be identified

[jade solstice]

one sec

not has perma killed before
but we dont know if on purpose or otherwise

people that are officialy dead:
Marked as not to reprint:
Chap, Mantis, Raster, Wander

Blackbox fails to find assigned Biobed so data is never send and a biobed needs to be assigned or the data is lost forever:
Quaker, Mogami, Thing Two, Dr. Wu

if they are marked as reprint, it appears their data gets deleted as the other colonists panicked when that happend to someone

people that are officialy dead:
Marked as not to reprint:
Chap, Mantis, Raster, Wander

Ruby
Ganzo
Iso
Mel
Nahema
Rhiannon
Singh
Tuba
Anita
Zip
Sophie

these are the ones that could still be alive

rn we actually could have a plot hole because of the colonists

the NoA states it printed 26 Colonists before the sleep day drowned

before! that means the player is actually the 28th or 29th because of the 2 dead ones that drowned before us

we know the one just before us was the one at the lifepod holds

if the EVA Suit one was also post drowning is not known but prob

that would make them 27th, Lifepod hold 28th and Us the 29th

that would also track as aside from us and the 2 drowned ones (one which being stated to have been yhe one before us who drowned wich must be after the bat went down) theres only 26 others

theres exactly 26 Pioneers known that were alive plus us and the other 2 that drowned

@agile spindle what do you think

[remote leaf]

I still dont think biomods should be in the chart. Same goes for nutrition. Most of those cells will be empty so it seems useless to have.

There's already a dedicated biomod page for this information.

[summer kindle]

Marked as not to reprint doesn’t mean they’re actually dead dead either they could still be reprinted they’re just not

The only total death would be complete loss of data

Rather than dead we should specify they are marked as do not reprint

There is a distinction I think

Or rather

You can have “deceased”

And “deceased (do not reprint)”

[faint sandal]

how high/tall/ what size

is the tadpod and the human ?

[summer kindle]

Seth actually gave the height of a human in the game one time but I can’t find it

[faint sandal]

google is saying 168 cm

or 1.75m

for the model

so idk

[leaden plinth]

Do we know what the sand circles on Observatory Island are?

[faint sandal]

not yet

[leaden plinth]

There's a bunch of sand pits with concentric cirlces

I assume its something NYI to do with the Collector or Sandspears then

[tulip python]

hey i noticed on the wiki theres a zezura poster, but after looking around I’ve only seen the new life poster, anyone know if that’s in the game?

i only have 9 posters and 10 seem to be on the wiki with that one

[summer kindle]

https://fixupx.com/zleeeb/status/2056773457334116561?s=46

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FixupX · May 19, 2026, 4:26 PM

I never saw anyone mention this

We don’t have it in behaviour yet either

On it now

[remote leaf]

Interesting

[agile spindle]

the NoA states it printed 26 Colonists before the sleep day drowned
when does he say this? I think I misunderstood how the colonists were being transported to Zezura

[jade solstice]

NoA says that in lifepod

it printed 26 before the bay drowned

and when we are printed and (from how they died the other 2 aswell) we were printed when it was allready sunken to over 500 meters

and those 26 perfectly align with how many pioneers we know that diddnt get printed after it drowned

in total theres 40.000 colonists all in memory storage

its a 14 year journey

they did a body printing take on the Cryo stasis thing in so many sci fi movies

the ship diddnt need any crew it was AI operated after all

[agile spindle]

thanks

[jade solstice]

as the Lifepod body was confirmed to be the one before us

that makes the EVA Suit one the 27th, them the 28 and us the 29th Colonist ever chosen to be printed

from Sleep Bay 3 that is

theres ar least 2 sleep bays that could be mentioned later

and as long as the ship is still somewhat 'alive' theres around 39 971 Colonists actually still alive , their data stored in the Cicada waiting to be printed

[agile spindle]

cant any of them be reprinted infinitely tho

noa would probably store all 40k originals

[jade solstice]

i think so maybe? but only the pre launch version like with Zip

if the ship stays intact building an actual Colony could actually be a viable ending for the game

[tardy sequoia]

How do you know that the ship was entirely unmanned?
As far as I know, this isn’t explicitly stated anywhere

and with hearing someone send a distress call in the voices beyond audioseries, I don’t think it makes sense

[summer kindle]

The only limiter is how much unspecified human printing goo you have

[summer kindle]

It was set to be a 14 year trip and the distress call is only sent as the ship is crashing

But technically we can’t confirm it

[tardy sequoia]

well someone had to be existing to make it, no?

[agile spindle]

we were supposed to send a distress call when the lifepod reached the surface

[tardy sequoia]

they could just keep re-printing crew as needed

[agile spindle]

im not sure if it actually went out

[summer kindle]

My assumption is they are printed automatically in like emergency mode

[tardy sequoia]

I would‘ve expected the Cicada to at the very least have some sort of Captain or monitoring crew at all times and then print additional "emergency crew", like NoA printing CI’s, but we just don’t know

In any case, I wouldn’t state that it’s unmanned if we can’t know for sure

[jade solstice]

we know the automation specilist was responsible for issues eith teh AI if i remeber correcly NoA states they would get printed of theres an issue

i can check

i added more info to some pages for now and will soon continue my work

i can also source anything if theres any questions

or if theres suggestions / comments

might get to doing the table preview today aswell
@agile spindle

[agile spindle]

table preview for what?

[jade solstice]

to see of the table version for Equipment i sometimes use works or if it looks bad

and for employees

ill let you know when i have it set up on a User page

any additions you want on the character pages?

oh and let me know when well add the Family section to the infoboxes

might be able to finish Mongolian States today

[agile spindle]

just more information about the character outside of the infobox and databank entry transcriptions, i only set up the basis of the page

[jade solstice]

im reading all the pdas and dialouge to see what affiliations we missed

also added to the Pioneer page that they are part of Alterras Pioneer Program

and that Ryley is also a Pioneer

imma set up a basic page for Ryley later

[manic field]

Ryley has a book.

[jade solstice]

i know and hes a pioneer

ill watch the videos from the show they did prior to launch soon to grab that info

unless you can grab that real quick

all the details from small objects with logos to dialouge lines

[tardy sequoia]

I think it’s pretty interesting that the PDA mentions him returning to the Pioneer Programm because the Aurora wasn’t a Pioneer mission with colonists, just a construction job to build a new Phasegate

[jade solstice]

can you send a screenshot of it rq

[tardy sequoia]

I think that specific part is just a voiceline, but I‘ll see if I can find it again

[agile spindle]

also id love feedback on https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/Story, I did my best to interpret things but I know I probably misunderstood some stuff

[jade solstice]

i dont think it was stated to be an alterra gate but i could he wrong

[agile spindle]

you are right, will fix

[jade solstice]

btw smth tells me that it prob wasnt actually 25 years but that the time was jsut written wirdly in the PDA lol

considering the tree is still alive... if they failed to poison the tree they headed toward for 25 years....

[tardy sequoia]

well they could've all died

but yeah, the time is given really weird

[jade solstice]

if they did that would be a weird thing to do after making them seem so important

[tardy sequoia]

the Axum seem to have made contact with the Architects at some point, so it isn't unlikely that they had a phasegate somewhere nearby Proteus

[agile spindle]

Blackboxes are very clear that everything we read about from the pioneers happened 25 years ago

[jade solstice]

it says 250,000 hours ago

but it could also be a weirdly written 250 hours

[tardy sequoia]

but then why would NoA only print a QI this late?
were there other QI's before us that failed?

[jade solstice]

at least for the last death

[blazing cobalt]

in the hot caves Twinkel gets reprinted first and then orders Noa to reprint Ganzo so two survivors

[jade solstice]

theres like 5 or 6 people marked alive or unknown

[tardy sequoia]

until now I thought of the "print a QI or two" as a line just for multiplayer since multiple QI's are printed at once there, but there very well could have been other QI's sent out before us

[agile spindle]

good catch! in what databank/conversation does she speak to noa?

[jade solstice]

there were

the 2 guys that drowned infront of the sleep bay

[tardy sequoia]

noa refers to them as "the last colonist didn't make it" though

I don't think they were QI's

[jade solstice]

note that theres only 1 viable lifepod hold left

72 is none existant and 74 is ripped apart

[jade solstice]

they said the last one they printed diddnt make it so tehy printed us

[agile spindle]

at the beginning NoA says that he is empowered to print investigators when he needs them to solve a problem for him

[tardy sequoia]

that's fair

I even put that on the Lifepod page

[agile spindle]

that problem is him losing track of the pioneers

[blazing cobalt]

it´s from one of the logs from inside the hot caves base camp but will have to check wich one exactly

[agile spindle]

"Do Not Reprint" okay, it doesn't say she "ordered NoA" though

[mighty thorn]

Okoku, do you want more wreck screenshots?

[lusty loom]

NoA, Don’t print me Before 7

[tardy sequoia]

it's this one, but it only states that NoA marked them as "do not reprint"

[agile spindle]

seems like Ganzo and Twinkle were just chosen to be reprinted for some reason

[tardy sequoia]

oh, oops

[jade solstice]

the first failed to activate the EVA suits oxygen and the second drowned right infront of lifepod 73

our NoA was disconnected from the rest of yhe network and had as they say themsleve just 26 colonist overall when the bay drowned

the 2 that drowned were printed after it drowned and was at over 500 deep, unable to be left without the lifepod

first one failed to remember to activate oxygen for the EVA Suit and got crushed by 60 bar in a 1 bar set suit

and the second drowned just before reaching the lifepod

[tardy sequoia]

welp, turns out there is a limit to the PDA Voice Logs history, so I don't have it anymore
perhaps I can reproduce it

found this one though

[jade solstice]

NoA says the Last pioneer diddnt make it

[mighty thorn]

Apologies since I have to ask again, Okoku do you want some more wreck screenshots?

[jade solstice]

yes

[mighty thorn]

Alright, Ill dm you with more when I am done then.

Want me to try and get to every wreck in the game?

cuz I can go one by one and just mark them off each time

[jade solstice]

if you can thats great

[jade solstice]

well prob find out later why theres only us and the other 2 that drowned and we dont see more in future versions

and maybe well even get Sleep Bay 1 or 2

[blazing cobalt]

it's in the NoA node in the camp although it might be more implied that she orders it to do it r

[jade solstice]

it pretty clear that noa diddnt listen form how shes acting

[agile spindle]

nice! i didnt know we had an exact day for that whole event

i dont think she can order noa around but maybe she convinced or persuaded him to bring back ganzo due to his rank

[jade solstice]

maybe NoA actually does want them to stop Jubilee

and they werent as infected as the rest, so the best choice

well and our NoA node, disconnected from the system printed us for their own research

[mighty thorn]

Okoku, before I end up leaving the wreck Im at, can you check the last screenshots to see if theres anything you need more detail on? It's a very annoying wreck to get to

[supple wedge]

Bulletheads

Sensitive to light

writing that down

a LOT of creatures actually have intended light reactions according to sam

[summer kindle]

I’ve seen Marrowbreach, Nibblers, Foureyes, Bulletheads all react to light

Collectors of course

I’m sure there are many more

Marrowbreach, Nibblers, and Collectors are entranced by flares