📚wiki-discussion

[summer kindle]

Yeah I was considering looking into all the duplicate templates and seeing which can go

That’s just a byproduct of the wikis being separate before

[sharp oak]

I'm not on PC right now, can someone link the conversation about switching, between SLScool and the CEO (I'm not sure if it's actually the CEO or another role but I think it is)

I've been testing a lot of stuff, you don't have to do everything alone

[stark frigate]

i m too lazy to find more but these for the second one source is here: https://www.reddit.com/r/subnautica/comments/19eviug/is_the_fandom_wiki_outdated/

now bye

[remote leaf]

oh my

people really like just brute testing huh

[sharp oak]

The "bugs" sections were not updated after Living Large, were they?

I remember seeing old bugs still listed

[summer kindle]

I don’t think I have ever touched the bugs sections so I don’t know anything about those

But probably not

[onyx river]

I have a feeling a lot of stuff hasn’t been updated since living large

[sharp oak]

Ice Worm page is the scariest offender though

Intended feature is listed as a bug

[summer kindle]

Idk how that got there

I stopped editing not long into BZ’s life so I absolve myself of all responsibility

[sharp oak]

The worm has a ton of attacks, they only listen 1 of the insta kill animations

Damage is not solid values either, pretty sure

[summer kindle]

I noticed earlier today how there is not a single image of Marguerit in game on her page

[sharp oak]

This is because she doesn't have a BZ page

[onyx river]

So pretty much all of our problem chalk up to:

• Fandom = bad
• Not enough support to fix it

[sharp oak]

They only edited the SN page

[summer kindle]

Her concept art is on there

[sharp oak]

Well it shouldn't

It's a mess

I don't know how would we do it, one page that includes BZ spoilers or a second page for her?

[summer kindle]

Oh wow nobody has touched the page since I last did in 2021 lol

[onyx river]

I think that was one of the pages that was locked for a while

[summer kindle]

Oh yeah this page is locked

[sharp oak]

Your edits are so good people don't even dare to work on top of them ✨

[summer kindle]

That makes sense

I’ll unlock this

There’s probably a lot of pages that could do with unlocking.

[onyx river]

I think I remember that page specifically being bad though which is why it was locked

A lot of false info or smth

[sharp oak]

Why are pages locked?

[summer kindle]

When the game was new people used to just add a lot of incorrect things on prominent pages

[sharp oak]

Ah...

That's a bummer

[summer kindle]

Not very many locked pages actually

[remote leaf]

"Once the Reaper's body floated to the surface, due to the Ghost Leviathans consuming only planktonic organisms. "

yeah, this page def could use a clean up

[sharp oak]

Don't they all?

Solar panel values can and should be removed

They depend on the biome, and the original poster didn't mention which biome they used

[summer kindle]

Yeah there was actually only 2 fully protected pages

Unprotected now I guess most of them already got unprotected

[sharp oak]

I heard some wikis require admin verification before the edit actually goes through

Does Fandom have that?

[summer kindle]

No

[remote leaf]

iirc, they do

it is just disabled by default

you have to ask fandom to turn it on

[sharp oak]

ouchihuahuas

[remote leaf]

we had it on the SL wiki, but have since then went to just disallowing public edits in general

[summer kindle]

And they never once explained why she is alive

[remote leaf]

I wanted Bart :(

[sharp oak]

That's a BZ plot hole that will probably never be explained

[summer kindle]

Bart Simpon

[sharp oak]

Bart was the best

[summer kindle]

I remember when Tom Jubert left as writer he said he “looked forward to seeing how the next writer would explain that” or something along those lines

And then they just

Didn’t

[remote leaf]

alien vents that connect to the PCF via teleporter

[sharp oak]

Not even he could...

[summer kindle]

well he didn’t get far enough yet..

[stark frigate]

[remote leaf]

and the writing left in game, still feels like early access

[summer kindle]

I have my gripes with BZs writing most of it is from after Tom but I can’t forgive him for Marg

[onyx river]

Love one of the posters in game that still doesn’t have an icon and is just a ❔

[summer kindle]

I can never forget the King Jelly’s copy pasted from Wikipedia databank entry

[remote leaf]

this implies one can just edit the databank

memser implies other creatures can edit it

oh, and somehow, everything always generated the same name

degasi autogenerating reaper leviathan 10 years before alterra

[summer kindle]

I mean it would make sense that one can edit the databank

[remote leaf]

true

but also just feels weird seeing that in game

Who put that there

[summer kindle]

I like it

[summer kindle]

This one is a bit strange though

[sharp oak]

She had no fabricator, how did she survive for 9 years...

[onyx river]

Anger

[summer kindle]

She also had a deadly disease

But we’ll ignore that

[sharp oak]

No habitat builder to make habitats

[sharp oak]

She was coughing, according to one of the PDAs

[remote leaf]

also, this is more of just gameplay since you cant truely predict the order of the player, but I do find it funny, the PDA can technically mention other fauna that you havent meet yet

[sharp oak]

Symbiote talks about Holefish

[summer kindle]

Yeah I was noticing that in entries I was looking through the other day

[remote leaf]

scan hoopfish
talks about bladderfish

[summer kindle]

Databank entries were always the weakest point of the writing

[remote leaf]

writing up creature behaviors that dont exist in game

[summer kindle]

Well maybe not really because I think the entire premise of the game doesn’t really make sense when you realise that there is literally no reason given to us that explains why the architects would have had a problem with kharaa

[remote leaf]

databanks are something I want to clean up on the wiki as well

some of the images are low quality

[summer kindle]

BZs databank is extra bad but the original game had a lot of stuff that was pretty bad too lol

[onyx river]

There’s a lot of stuff I want to fix but then I remember I have responsibilities

[sharp oak]

Responsibilities are silly, it's 3 am

[sterile veldt]

I’ve mentioned this a number of times, there is zero information on how long the disease takes to become fatal in humans, if it is deadly at all?

[onyx river]

I think Paul died to the disease

[sharp oak]

Paul drowned

[onyx river]

Oh mb

[sharp oak]

Danbi and Bart died to it

[sterile veldt]

Didn’t the Aurora crash on top of him?

[sharp oak]

Death is imminent, as stated by several PDA entries

[summer kindle]

That happened like 10 years later he was probably already dead

[onyx river]

See but then how does danbi die in a matter of days but Bart lasts a lot longer

[summer kindle]

Uniquely susceptible for some reason who knows

[sterile veldt]

Ah, forgot that. But could have been other factors.

[remote leaf]

2 weeks

[stark frigate]

how about degasi?

[sharp oak]

Paul drowned in Grand Reef, Bart succumbed to the disease in the Floating Island base

[summer kindle]

Bart was from the Degasi

[stark frigate]

i remember being 3 people

[summer kindle]

Bart, Paul and Marguerit

[sharp oak]

They were 6, but the other 3 people died on the ship

[summer kindle]

Marguerit is alive, Paul drowned, Bart died of Kharaa, probably.

Who remembers when they were called Baat and Paal

[remote leaf]

I have also wanted to update some of the infobox images on the wiki with renders

since well....

so dark

[sharp oak]

pfft, nice image

[remote leaf]

I have spent time messing with blender

[summer kindle]

Oh yeah I remember this one always being like that

[sharp oak]

That looks better than in-game

[remote leaf]

blender can be amazing

[sharp oak]

I think this is the wrong channel for that

[stark frigate]

yeo

forgot

[sharp oak]

All good

[remote leaf]

it is also funny when you turn off all textures besides illum

[summer kindle]

Could you do better size references in blender or are the models not always scaled right

Some of the size references are pretty rough

[remote leaf]

hm

could try, blender isnt the best for size references from what I seen

something to look into at somepoint

[summer kindle]

Just meant like can you stick the player model next to them or something

For some of the really big things the in game references aren’t great

[remote leaf]

uh oh

might work

[stark frigate]

hm

i don't see anything wrong

[remote leaf]

okay, importing them differently fixed it

renders look like they would work for scale

they just need uh....some clean up first

angry

[cinder kestrel]

I didn't have conversations with Ted Gill; someone else did.

[sharp oak]

Ah, sorry

[sharp oak]

Creature sizes are not always the same. If I recall correctly, they are random between 0.8 and 1.2, which is why we see "babies" and such

[sharp oak]

Who is Floof Altaria?

[summer kindle]

Idk

[heady gulch]

its good to see you return bippity

order has been restored

[onyx river]

Anyone know why there are like, 10 different spoiler section templates?

[sharp oak]

The more the merrier. It's to keep spoiler sections fresh and exciting

[onyx river]

But they're all almost the same :(

So unexciting

[bitter dock]

Regarding the changes to the Alien Containment (Below Zero) page, eye jellies that are hatched and released can still damage the player, but squidsharks cannot.

[cinder kestrel]

I'm looking at [[Special:Analytics]] and I can tell from the page views that the developers announced [[Subnautica 2]] almost two weeks ago.

[willow vector]

https://subnautica.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Analytics
https://subnautica.fandom.com/wiki/Subnautica_2

[summer kindle]

Well many templates have a Below Zero duplicate because they were initially created on a separate wiki

That will have to be dealt with eventually

And then there are multiple different types of spoiler template depending on where on the page we want it

[cinder kestrel]

It's nice to see unread messages in this channel that haven't been deleted.

[sharp oak]

It's nice having a reason to chat here other than alert for vandals ✨

[remote leaf]

it's been too long since there has been a normal chat in here

[raven bear]

Thank Andy, she's the one that pushed us here from #subnautica-chat :))

[fast flare]

yay

[summer kindle]

|-|
Other=
<gallery position="left" widths="200" spacing="small" captionalign="left">
SeaDragonLeviathan12.jpg|Exterior view of the Sea Dragon Leviathan’s scrapped Seamoth attack animation
SeaDragonLeviathan13.jpg|Ditto
SeaDragonLeviathan14.jpg|Ditto
SeaDragonLeviathan15.jpg|Interior view of the attack
SeaDragonLeviathan16.jpg|Ditto
</gallery>

Can someone add this to the sea dragon gallery

At the bottom above the </tabber> tag

I would but I’m on mobile rn and source editor is all kinds of messed up

Idk why I didn’t have this on the page already

[sharp oak]

Thanks for deleting that thing in the Reaper page

[summer kindle]

Yeah there’s a lot of weird stuff like that that I’ve found on various pages

Like this can probably go too

There’s nothing wrong with it but it’s just speculation

Nothing in game says this

Aside from the reaper part obv

[sharp oak]

Yes

[summer kindle]

Someone has also changed the Sea Emperor page to use she and her

It didn’t used to be like that and we know that the species on the planet don’t have sexual dimorphism

[sharp oak]

Yea, there's a sad story about it....

[cinder kestrel]

Does anyone/anything in-game ever use pronouns for the emperor besides "it"?

[sharp oak]

Obraxis said that the CEO says it's a girl

Immediately after, the wiki changed all pronouns to she/her

[summer kindle]

Well that contradicts what the game tells us

[sharp oak]

Yea

[summer kindle]

I think it should just be changed and that should be added to the trivia

[sharp oak]

Nop, it's all "Emperor" and it/its

[cinder kestrel]

And the occasional "adult specimen contained within the facility."

[sharp oak]

Even came from you

[summer kindle]

Can’t believe I would do this

[cinder kestrel]

Then don't believe it.

[summer kindle]

I think this might be before we actually had the lore on their reproduction and stuff

Yeah from what I can see that stuff came in 2017

Whilst that convo took place in 2016

Hang on was the entry about the animals being single sex altered?

I can’t find that anywhere

The entry about eggs just doesn’t mention that anymore

[onyx river]

Its under the databank "Fauna Reproductive Data"

[summer kindle]

Oh yeah

Not on the eggs page for some reason

And no mention of it either even though I’m sure it used to be

[sudden dove]

Picls are you coming out of retirement?

[onyx river]

My interest has been resparked, but i think once my reading week is over i wont have time

[onyx river]

Thats a lot of missing icons https://subnautica.fandom.com/wiki/Placeable_Items

[summer kindle]

Wonder how that happened

[onyx river]

I think they were just never uploaded

[summer kindle]

Odd

They should have been

[onyx river]

Fortunately I think most of them have the same generic icon so it should be pretty easy

[remote leaf]

can you get an in game screenshot of the icons

[onyx river]

I wont be at my pc for a couple more days so no, but if no one else does in a few days ill do it

[remote leaf]

damn

[sharp oak]

Ah.... if only I had seen this earlier. I'll do it tomorrow.

[remote leaf]

good

cant wait to spend minutes scrolling through all the assets

[sharp oak]

Wait

There's a problem

I am on PS4, I can check for stuff but I can't send you the files

[remote leaf]

I can scroll through my own files

I just need a screenshot for reference

[sharp oak]

Some, but not all, still have the ? icon

[remote leaf]

ah, just list those ones

[sharp oak]

The only poster that has a special icon is the one that got cut from the game

[remote leaf]

hopefully the file names are descriptive enough

[sharp oak]

I can't check now, but tomorrow I'll do it

[summer kindle]

I haven’t had the game downloaded in a few years so I’ll get back to u on that

[sharp oak]

Hey, I was just taking a glance over some pages

https://subnautica.fandom.com/wiki/Prawn_Suit_Propulsion_Cannon_(Subnautica) Thermal Plants are not movable with the Propulsion Arm anymore

https://subnautica.fandom.com/wiki/Lava_Lizard In "Trivia", we can see that this page hasn't been update since release. Reaper Leviathans don't have bioluminescence either

In the newly updated Boneshark entry, we should probably add "Despite its Databank entry, they are not attracted to light sources"

[remote leaf]

reapers have bioluminescence

we initially thought they didnt after the new texture, but that was disproven

I can back this up with the fact they have a texture for it

[sharp oak]

Please show, I've never seen them glow

[sharp oak]

So weird

[remote leaf]

reaper with only bioluminescence enabled

it is just very faint

[sharp oak]

Well, that's interesting

[remote leaf]

[sharp oak]

They big glowy green eyes were removed :c

Also, insert bugs section in this page https://subnautica.fandom.com/wiki/Upgrade_Modules

or at least a little note

[remote leaf]

faint

[sharp oak]

Range upgrades for scanner room don't work, they only zoom out the holographic map

[remote leaf]

[sharp oak]

The scanner room has max range by default (500m)

Hull reinforcement modules, although compatible, do nothing on the Prawn, as you can't reduce 0 collision damage

[remote leaf]

still weird that upgrade works for it

[sharp oak]

Oversight, collision damage was removed but not compatibility

[remote leaf]

or well, can be placed inside it

yeah, I notice this happens a lot with this game

[sharp oak]

I think Forklifts can't be picked up anymore either

[sharp oak]

Oh wow, these screenshots are old, all of them

[remote leaf]

yep

[sharp oak]

I hope I'm helping </3

[remote leaf]

helps a lot

[onyx river]

This is for both games i assume?

[sharp oak]

Yes

[remote leaf]

unlike most feedback for the SL Wiki I get

you actually point things out

instead of yelling "Terran, you wiki is outdated!!!!!"

"please explain what"
"no"

[sharp oak]

I mean, I do tell people that very often

When people say "but the wiki says so" I just tell them that it's not a reliable source of information

Which shouldn't be true, but unfortunately is

[remote leaf]

thank god SL wiki is ran by the company, so we can always say it is true

[sharp oak]

@onyx river it's a bug, not intended behavior

Default range should've been 300

[summer kindle]

What the hell how was this still there

[onyx river]

oh okay cool i see

[summer kindle]

It’s been so long since it looked like this

[sharp oak]

The Cyclops one has "old upgrade console UI"

It's ancient, that UI seen the dinosaurs

[remote leaf]

what in god's name is this

[summer kindle]

What on earth lmao

[sharp oak]

Is that power usage

[remote leaf]

yes

tabberception

[summer kindle]

Yeah that should just be in some kind of chart not like that lol

[remote leaf]

the bottom border is missing

we need to like, get a bunch of wiki staff together and do some massive clean up

[remote leaf]

[summer kindle]

Keep finding such random lines on many pages

[sharp oak]

Thermal plants, thermal reactor modules and speed graphs are curves, I have them somewhere in my phone

The wiki makes it seem like they're like steps

[remote leaf]

old one I found

[onyx river]

I wonder if a sort of interactable graph is possible for those pages, instead of the tables that we have now

[sharp oak]

I swear, do people not know about sharks?

[summer kindle]

Behaviour section of the Boneshark also claims it attacks its own species

I assume this is taken from the data bank

[remote leaf]

if there is one thing I know about this community

[sharp oak]

https://tenor.com/view/shrimple-pun-puns-sea-puns-shark-my-words-gif-27141528

[remote leaf]

many of them, know squat of biologoy of any creature

sharks are a biggest

[summer kindle]

But I don’t think that’s true in game if anyone can verify

[sharp oak]

They have snouts with nostrills 😭

[summer kindle]

That’s not what that line is saying

[remote leaf]

I seen one guy claim the megalodon was too big to fit in the game (some earlier guy made a suggestion they should be brought over by the Precursors)

[summer kindle]

It’s talking about the positioning of the nostrils being consistent with how air breathing aquatic animals have nostrils placed high up on the skull, sharks don’t

[sharp oak]

Ah

[bitter dock]

I have a basic understanding of some biology, though I am very, very far from an expert.

[remote leaf]

megalodon is only 10 meters....easily outsized by many fauna

[sharp oak]

Well... Alien planet

[summer kindle]

I favour the air breathing Stalker theory

Given the existence of the Snow Stalker

[sharp oak]

It's weird because they're in the PCF

And they can be put in ACUs

[summer kindle]

Ehhh don’t worry about it

[sharp oak]

Pengwings have gills too, right?

[remote leaf]

super lungs

[onyx river]

clearly they stick their snouts in the portal to breathe

[summer kindle]

The Arctic Ray is also an exclusive herbivore that is a predator

[bitter dock]

They seem fairly intelligent, so perhaps they know how to get oxygen from brain coral.

[remote leaf]

they can just hold their breathe for like....years

[bitter dock]

Are we sure about that?

[summer kindle]

Yes

It eats fish in game

[remote leaf]

I heard it doesnt attack anymore

[sharp oak]

They swim near fish, but doesn't attack them

[summer kindle]

Data bank claims its an herbivore

They don’t?

Nobody updated the wiki then

Unsurprisingly

[sharp oak]

They do get attacked by Symbiotes, which might cause blood particles

[bitter dock]

Did it once? That would support it being omnivorous, despite it not being shown in the game.

[onyx river]

But if its not in the game then it isnt?

[remote leaf]

it isnt anymore it seeems, or maybe just a misunderstanding

[summer kindle]

Yes it used to eat fish

[remote leaf]

but this wouldnt be the only fauna in game, misclassified

cough triops cough

[summer kindle]

or the Boomerang that is an herbivore despite being stated to eat coral

[remote leaf]

look

[summer kindle]

Coral is a very forgotten category

[remote leaf]

we should just accept by now

UWE thinks coral is a plant

despite them being animals

[summer kindle]

Yeah I think so

[bitter dock]

I don't think it should be on the wiki, but they aren't shown as eating plants.

[remote leaf]

or this very simple method

[sharp oak]

Corals, fungi, plants, what's the difference?

[remote leaf]

if friendly to player

herbivore

[remote leaf]

corals are animals

[summer kindle]

Well one is an animal one is closer related to animals and one is plants

[remote leaf]

fungi are neither plants or animals

[sharp oak]

I was kidding

UWE treats them all as flora

[remote leaf]

[summer kindle]

Well they don’t really treat coral as anything they kinda forgot it

Didn’t BZ add like

2 corals

Very lonely PDA category

[onyx river]

bz also has a very depressing amount of plantable flora, not much was added at all

[bitter dock]

Well, it is an alien world. Coral might just be what it's similar to.

[summer kindle]

Yeah idg what happened there

[sharp oak]

Luna/Lung plants...

[summer kindle]

Most plants were plantable in SN but they just didn’t for most of the BZ ones

[sharp oak]

Skipped due to resources/time?

[remote leaf]

we also got more creepvine

[bitter dock]

I would love to have ragged pitcher plants, reaper's wineglass, radiant sieve coral, pouch bulbs, etc...

[remote leaf]

creepvine and bloodvine relatives canon

when

[summer kindle]

Interesting choice to name it Reaper’s wineglass in the place that doesn’t have Reapers

[sharp oak]

Both games are pretty undercooked. BZ even more so, but SN does have its raw moments

[remote leaf]

and then we have

this guy

this THING

[summer kindle]

Oh yeah lol

[onyx river]

its so pretty tho :(

[bitter dock]

What's wrong with it?

[summer kindle]

The “flora” species that is composed of coral and fauna

[remote leaf]

it isnt a plant

[remote leaf]

animal + animal = plant

who knew

[onyx river]

negative * negative = positive, so logic seems sound

[remote leaf]

horse riding will now reclassify you and the horse as a plant

until dismount

[bitter dock]

Perhaps the PDA focuses on Riley's understanding rather than accuracy.

[remote leaf]

it is highly implied the PDA makes choices on its own

[sharp oak]

The horse will remain a plant though, because corals are part of a herbivore diet

[remote leaf]

a choice that is somehow consistent with every one else in universe that scans it

[summer kindle]

The PDA definitely does not do that

[remote leaf]

even those from 10 years ago

with the Degasi getting the same newly generated name "Reaper Leviathan"

followed by Alterra 10 years later

[sharp oak]

Lifepod 4 crew, Ryley and Degasi share databank, apparently

[sterile veldt]

Unless the horse you are riding is Al-An, in which case you’re now an ion cube.

[bitter dock]

Do you think the PDAs algorithm is just very consistent?

[remote leaf]

it somehow is

[summer kindle]

None of the trans gov information data entries are in the game right

[remote leaf]

consistently bad

[bitter dock]

They are, yes.

[summer kindle]

Idk if we’re talking about the same ones

[sharp oak]

Does it always have the note for Reapers? The note is not present in more aggressive, dangerous creatures

[remote leaf]

PDA seeing two creatures that like digging "They must be relatives"

[sharp oak]

Rockgrubs and Sand Sharks are quite similar though

[summer kindle]

God I’ll never forgive the Rockgrub + Sand Shark + Boneshark grouping

[bitter dock]

I wish they had changed the entry for Below Zero, at least a little bit.

[remote leaf]

you can see bip's anger here

[sharp oak]

Bonesharks are a stretch though. It ends up with Rockgrubs and Bonesharks

[summer kindle]

In reality that’s like proposing a close relationship between a worm and a snake

[sharp oak]

True

[bitter dock]

How do we know the sand shark is a vertebrate?

[summer kindle]

Because the PDA states that most life forms are vertebrates in the Reefback entry and the Research Specimen Theta also proposed to be related to the Sand Shark is a vertebrate

[bitter dock]

That's a very good answer. Thank you.

[sharp oak]

Sand Sharks have herbivore eyes

But all the "related species" are carnivores/omnivores

[remote leaf]

inverebrates are rare on 4546B, unlike Earth

[bitter dock]

Maybe they don't really use their eyes for hunting. They probably aren't at the top of the food web.

[summer kindle]

They are ambush predators

So it’s not strictly necessary

[sharp oak]

Tigrinum made me aware of this, Arrow Ray icon is upside down.

[summer kindle]

How strang

e

[bitter dock]

It is? I was talking about the Sketchfab model...

[sharp oak]

Ah

Nevermind, you're right

It's 3 AM Andy

[summer kindle]

Yeah I was just about to say no it isn’t

The Alpha Peeper entry casually seems to imply that they evolved eyes separately to most other animals on the planet

I don’t think that was how it was intended to be read

But that’s how it comes across

[remote leaf]

well, SN2 has a dedicated creature team

[onyx river]

The whole icon system actually hurts me, theres so many templates that are just templates inside of more templates

[remote leaf]

so, let's see how they handle evolution

I think SN and BZ are so messed up because you didnt have a dedicated team for creatures

[summer kindle]

Yeah I think it’s a bit silly looking back on it

[remote leaf]

you just had a writer just saying "this is related to that"

[summer kindle]

I don’t remember whose idea it was if it was mine you have permission to execute me

It probably wasn’t my idea though because I doubt I was good enough with that stuff to do it

My crowning achievement was figuring out custom backgrounds on pages

[onyx river]

Recipe2 is just a bunch of recipies, which is just a bunch of icons, which is just a bunch of IconCreates

[sharp oak]

I want to share something that makes my brain hurt sometimes:
Peepers have eyelids to avoid predators, however, within the last 1000 years, they've developed those stomach holes, large nasal cavity and suicidal tendencies to spread the enzyme. This implies that the eyelids are older than that. However, Oculus and Arctic Peepers have the holes too, but no eyelids, and they could make good use of the eyelids, especially the slow moving Oculus. Hmm.

[remote leaf]

generally you just need a template inside a template

but templateception can sometimes just be better for editing, the hard part is just understanding the template

[summer kindle]

Tom Jubert was not a biologist

It becomes quite evident often…

[remote leaf]

my favorite thing

[sharp oak]

Maida

[remote leaf]

was when bip collected so much proof that Ghost can be related to the rays

[sharp oak]

Sorry, didn't mean to make you cry

[remote leaf]

then Tom comes

"Ghost are related to eels"

[summer kindle]

Tbf it is all still superficial

[bitter dock]

Evolution doesn't always work neatly... it still doesn't make sense, though.

[onyx river]

I do agree its better for people who may not understand wikitext, but like it took me 30 minutes just trying to figure out what i needed to fix for one single icon

[summer kindle]

But I think the case for the Ghostray relation is far stronger than Ampeel

[remote leaf]

yeah, they can be hard

I guess im more used to it now after using mediawiki for years now

[summer kindle]

Oh yeah the benefit was just that you change the icon on the template and it changes everywhere obviously

[remote leaf]

I use it on the SL wiki (I took a lot of inspiration from SN wiki)

[remote leaf]

the amount of time this has saved me on the SL wiki

[summer kindle]

Because before like if they changed an icon u had to manually change like the recipe on every page and that was annoying

[onyx river]

ah valid

[bitter dock]

For the custom page backgrounds, is that concept art? Is there a reason not to put it on the page?

[summer kindle]

Ah yeah the BZ ones I didn’t do those

Idk where those are from

[sharp oak]

Artstation

[summer kindle]

I was wondering what those were the other day and why they’re not on the page

[sharp oak]

Why do some recipes have icon x4 but others have icon icon icon icon?

[remote leaf]

BZ

[bitter dock]

I don't know where the best place to share it is, but do you have a link to those?

[onyx river]

I think the templates could use with some cleaning up but thats alot of work for something that visially makes no difference

[summer kindle]

Wdym by that

[remote leaf]

templates are always gonna be a bit of a mess

[summer kindle]

It was convenient in a frequently changing early access game

Nvm I just worked out you were saying something different

Anyway

[onyx river]

There seems to besome unspoken rule that more than 3 of an item is just putting the number down

[summer kindle]

I see

[sharp oak]

https://subnautica.fandom.com/wiki/Prawn_Suit_(Subnautica) only depth modules have recipes, nothing else

[remote leaf]

there is no between

either you deal with broken light mode

or you deal with broken dark mode

neither work correctly

[onyx river]

I lied, it looks to be written into the template itself

[summer kindle]

This is not very functional on mobile

I’m sure it didn’t used to be this bad

[remote leaf]

when do wikis ever function on mobile?

[sharp oak]

No one will notice it, there are too many ads hiding everything

[remote leaf]

anyways

a good ol <br clear=all> might help with that

[onyx river]

okay but whats the point of the separate pages if the table just has the same info on it?

[summer kindle]

I think the recipe can just be removed from the depth module section there

[remote leaf]

huh

[summer kindle]

I don’t see why it’s necessary to have the recipes on there

[remote leaf]

why

is it a seperate table

[sharp oak]

idk, just make it consistent. All recipes or no recipes

[onyx river]

Table in a table but one uses html and one uses wikitext, excellent page writting

[remote leaf]

I like the idea of removing the recipes

[summer kindle]

Feel free

[onyx river]

I agree

[remote leaf]

well, it is a table inside a table

I guess that is why

[summer kindle]

I think it breaks if you tried to do it another way

It’s also just visually distinct which helps

[onyx river]

I also removed them from the cyclops page cause they were on there for some reason but not on the seamoth page

[sharp oak]

https://subnautica.fandom.com/wiki/Message_Wall:TheReaperWhoAteYourSeamoth?threadId=4400000000000119816#4400000000000436124&_rcid=4400000000000436124 This thread has more activity than the wiki in the last 3 years 😭

[summer kindle]

Yeah that keeps coming through on the wiki changes channel

Will they quiet down

[onyx river]

xeno told them they should move but they seem to have ignored it

[summer kindle]

I remember when we tried to ban the discussions section because they were just so incredibly annoying

It was all just like 12 year olds fighting all day

Fortunately most of them have moved on because SN isn’t big on YouTube now lol

[onyx river]

I just want to know why people choose fandom of all places to have lengthy discussion

[sharp oak]

And they're not even SN related

It's typical missile copy pasta with Fortnite

[onyx river]

yet another reason to dislike fandom

There must be a way to get the bot to ignore anything under the social activity tab

[remote leaf]

we can tell them to move elsewhere again, if they dont, then just lock it

[sharp oak]

Some of the convos they have break this server's rules

Such as swearing/NSFW references

[onyx river]

it is possible, we just need someone with perms to do it

[summer kindle]

The loss of all those YouTube videos is very unfortunate

[remote leaf]

[summer kindle]

What perms are required for that

[onyx river]

I think discord bot perms

!wiki rcscript feeds

yeah

[summer kindle]

Oh I see I thought this was a wikia thing

[sharp oak]

Someone changed the Sea Treader page. It is still wrong

[heady gulch]

the wiki does not mirror the subnautica discord's rules and guidelines; if it does, that's news to me.

however, I'll look into whatever it is they are up too. I warned them about conversation incineration if they violate the wiki rules;

did a bunch of the in dev videos get lost? (the developer vids)

[remote leaf]

yeah

[summer kindle]

Yeah

Tons are privated now

[remote leaf]

need to look for archives

[heady gulch]

mmm yikes.

[onyx river]

Is the new addition jst straight up false?

[summer kindle]

Unfortunate we didn’t have the foresight to download them

[sharp oak]

It depends

[sudden dove]

Picls I fully expect you to continue helping through the next few days so I'm giving you your role back.

[heady gulch]

should we start archiving any remaining dev videos then?

[summer kindle]

Probably a good idea

[remote leaf]

do it

[heady gulch]

Im pretty sure the waybackmachine still acts as a reliable archive.

I've never used the site before but I'll see what I can do. push comes to shove I can just make a google drive copy on all the files.

[remote leaf]

should we get like, a custom youtube channel up? SN Wiki Archive or somethin?

[sharp oak]

They are completely passive now, towards the player and any vehicles. It is a bug, though. They are not supposed to be passive.

[remote leaf]

[summer kindle]

No wiki keeper role for me I’m hurt

[heady gulch]

does the page say they are passive towards the player and vehicles?

[sharp oak]

Pfft git gud

[summer kindle]

I think I was the first person to actually have the role

[sudden dove]

Picls has years of wiki keeper experience and is in the credits of BZ.

[summer kindle]

So am I lol

And more years

[sudden dove]

Well there ya go 🙂

[heady gulch]

Bippity has carried the wiki like atlas carried the world.

[sudden dove]

Lol

[heady gulch]

the site wouldnt be a shell of what it is now without them

[sharp oak]

It was changed mere moments ago saying that they're passive towards the prawn, but it still shows it attacks the player

[remote leaf]

[summer kindle]

I was joking anyway I assumed you wouldn’t see that

[remote leaf]

we can place that in the bugs

[sudden dove]

[heady gulch]

didnt the wiki editing guidelines say we dont mark bugs in the pages?

[remote leaf]

hopefully it is a bug

and not another cool thing removed

[sharp oak]

The Prawn addition is redundant, and should be in the bugs too

[heady gulch]

not that I really mind marking it as its own section

[remote leaf]

during early access

[heady gulch]

because there are a lot of bugs that never got patched over.

[summer kindle]

Actually I never checked if I’m in BZ credits but I’m in subnautica’s

[heady gulch]

i think youre in both

[sharp oak]

There are tons of bugs that were patched but are still in the wiki, and the Ice Worm has/had an intended behavior marked as a bug

[heady gulch]

im marked as XDCER in the subnautica below zero credits.

Didnt use my real name cuz i wasnt an adult at the time.

[summer kindle]

I was playtester on BZ briefly but became busy with other stuff

[sudden dove]

Wow there's a throwback username.

[heady gulch]

haha

[remote leaf]

I was surprised to see my name in it

[heady gulch]

I was overjoyed when I was asked how id like my name in the credits.

[onyx river]

Ill just revert the change and add that to te bugs section then

[sharp oak]

Tuner, can I get a wiki keeper role if I keep working on it?

[heady gulch]

but gloating aside. im gonna go look over the... uhh reaper dude's wall.

[sudden dove]

Absolutely.

[sharp oak]

yippeeeee

[heady gulch]

The wiki doesnt have problems with prolonged conversations on the message walls. And I will respect that.

however If they are doing or saying anything thats violating content guidelines, I'll tell them off.

[sharp oak]

I think it'd be better to remove that part of the bot

Sometimes there are threats with names that break our server rules, and that sounds very hypocritical of us imo

[summer kindle]

Oh yeah iforgot I’m in there because of the Soy Pengling anyway

[heady gulch]

lmao

yeah i remember that

wasnt it vee's child?

[summer kindle]

Did not make it into the playtester section though somehow

[remote leaf]

Fandom is being deleted

[heady gulch]

yeah thats the average fandom user.

[summer kindle]

Yes then I added the functionality to it

[remote leaf]

I dont have external sticker perms

[onyx river]

Thank goodness

[remote leaf]

I cant use my yipee sticker

[summer kindle]

But the functionality never actually got into the game very well

[heady gulch]

fandom users are younger than pyrocynical fans.

I just cant prove that half of them are below the TOS age unless they directly say it.

The wiki has it's.. "social cycles".

[remote leaf]

simply as them

what is 50 minus your age

[heady gulch]

people join, and to them they just discovered the game and all the content and they're exploring the wiki and everything as if its a day 1 launch.

[onyx river]

Idk who has bot perms but youd have to get one of them to do it

[heady gulch]

they talk to each other and comment, at least breaking some rules once.

then they go "guyz is the wiki dead?"

and then inexplicably stop talking one day and never return because they moved on in life.

ive watched this cycle repeat for 8 years.

[fluid lagoon]

it do be dead tho

[heady gulch]

oh god

the great return

[sharp oak]

Sure thing

[summer kindle]

Since when were you back in here

[fluid lagoon]

literally months

[heady gulch]

i thought you leeft into the abyss

[heady gulch]

yeah thats true but shhh dont tell the wiki users that

[remote leaf]

just like the wiki team here lol

I went to another wiki

everyone else did, what every they do

[fluid lagoon]

the merge killed our enthusiasm

[remote leaf]

same

[heady gulch]

tbf its hard to stay devoted to a wiki like we used too, especially for a game that hasnt had a release in a long long time.

on top of that yeah the merge did slop up the wiki a whole lot that im still seeing fixes in the wiki changes logs.

[fluid lagoon]

every so often i'm like "i should do work on the wiki" but then i think of how much a colossal nightmare it is

[heady gulch]

the content of the subnautica part of the wiki is mostly fine

the content of below zero is very much lacking

[remote leaf]

I still dislike how many pages are seperated that dont need to be

[onyx river]

I blame that fandom dude that came in told us to merge it and is apparently gone now

[remote leaf]

airbladder functions the exact same in both games

[summer kindle]

I just can’t think of a non confusing way to do it

[heady gulch]

at least 4 months ago i rememebr either marge's story. or one of the main characters had the note of "there will be more to see" for the story about it because nobody had bothered updating it since early access.

[remote leaf]

that guy was placed in charge of the Fandom SL Wiki later

never did anything lol

I think we launched the official SL Wiki around the time he got assinged to SL Fandom

poor timing

[heady gulch]

which one?

[summer kindle]

I mean I guess you can just have all links to ingredients and stuff link to the disambig page instead

[heady gulch]

we changed hands 3 times.

[remote leaf]

the first manager

[heady gulch]

ahh him.

[remote leaf]

must suck somewhat getting assinged to a wiki, only to see the game's studio launch there own

[fluid lagoon]

if fandom had any idea what they were doing they would implement some sort of infrastructure that would allow one wiki to be split across multiple games

[summer kindle]

That one seemed to be my fault I protected the Marguerit page so nobody could edit it

[heady gulch]

o h

oh okay that makes sense

h u h

[remote leaf]

so for SL wiki, we have one wiki split into multiple langauges

[summer kindle]

I noticed that recently too how it had literally no pics of Marg on it

[remote leaf]

all are seperate wikis, but still share the same file uploads

[sharp oak]

It is confusing, but sometimes things may appear to work the same way, but they don't. Flares are not eternal, but they go out faster in BZ.

[summer kindle]

Then I noticed the protection was set to admin only

[fluid lagoon]

let's go baby it's still like this

[remote leaf]

there is global.css which affects all wikis as well

[summer kindle]

I can’t believe those are still there Lmao

[sharp oak]

Ice Worm page is one of the worst...

[remote leaf]

all wikis connected but still seperate

[summer kindle]

4 polygon glaciers

[remote leaf]

would work wonderful for SN and BZ

[fluid lagoon]

once we find a non-fandom solution for the SN2 wiki i am going to unleash the full potential of my university degree

none of you will be ready

[summer kindle]

You’re going to write so hard

[heady gulch]

alright I looked over the reaper who ate your seamoth thread.

[remote leaf]

save us vee

I want to leave fandom

[summer kindle]

SN2 will definitely not be fandom that’s not being allowed to happen again

[sharp oak]

I don't think anyone minds the switch. I think staying on Fandom might actually hurt

[remote leaf]

fandom just cant be trusted

[summer kindle]

What are the alternatives anyway

Idk what other wiki sites there are

[onyx river]

Build our own from scratch

[heady gulch]

wiki.gg

[remote leaf]

my god, we get a studio ran wiki for SL and they still refuse our request to get rid of the non official

[heady gulch]

iirc thats the one that slscool wanted to do with

[sharp oak]

Yeaaa Picls got it right

[fluid lagoon]

there's wiki.gg and miraheze and some other one i forgot about

[remote leaf]

building your own gives you a lot of freedom

[summer kindle]

Well I don’t know how you build a wiki from scratch so that’s up to someone else

[heady gulch]

also last time there was any attempt to migrate the wiki, didn't unknown worlds entertainment say they would not be supporting this decision? (whatever that means)

[sharp oak]

I may be a graphic designer, but I won't be graphic designing wikis 💔

[sudden dove]

This idea brought to you by SquareSpace

[remote leaf]

sadly, that is handled by someone else for the SL wiki. so I cant help with setting them up

[onyx river]

But thats a lot of work for a bunch of unpaid peoples

[fluid lagoon]

who's ready for the gang war when someone else inevitably starts trying to put together Subnautica 2 wiki pages on fandom

[remote leaf]

dont worry

I have a power

ADHD

[summer kindle]

Yeah that’ll happen

[remote leaf]

and insane love for wiki editing on games that I love

[heady gulch]

Im not saying i despise fandom, but I can't quite wrap my head around why we wouldnt be using subnautica wiki / fandom for Subnautica 2.

[remote leaf]

bad history with fandom

that is why

[onyx river]

Just sysop lock the whole wiki

[remote leaf]

oh yeah, outside fandom

you can do that

entire plugin exist to make all edits have to be approved by staff

[fluid lagoon]

we did that for the BZ wiki lol

[remote leaf]

also we can have the in game cursor back

fandom TOS wont apply anymore

[onyx river]

Oh i didnt even realize that was gone

[summer kindle]

The BZ wiki was truly perfect

[remote leaf]

it was removed because it is a violation of TOS

[heady gulch]

well, i dont know this backend stuff like you guys do. but if its better than what we have for now- then sure count me onboard.

[summer kindle]

We ruled with an iron fist

[remote leaf]

god forbid we have a custom cursor

[remote leaf]

backend, will take some time. def need someone to do it, if we self host

[heady gulch]

there is wikigg

[remote leaf]

but the benefits are so much

[heady gulch]

iirc slscool wanted to go to that one

speaking of which

@cinder kestrel thoughts?

[remote leaf]

fandom has been a constant issue with the SN wiki over time

[fluid lagoon]

the BZ wiki was beautiful and then fandom came in and was like "erm...but the extra 0.005 cents we could make if they merged"

[remote leaf]

breaking our navbars to outdated videos

[onyx river]

We exist only to maximize shareholder profits

[heady gulch]

yeah the tldr was "google clicks. uhh.. we want it all to go just to one wiki lol"

[summer kindle]

And now we’re stuck with this mess years later

[heady gulch]

OKAY
that one we actually went on strike and they joined subnautica DISCORD just to reason with us

[sharp oak]

To be fair, the community was pretty negligent too.

[onyx river]

Yes, but fixing it would take so long

[remote leaf]

it still took them, a long time

the fact we had to go on strike

[sharp oak]

For so long, people correcting grammar instead of the blatantly wrong info from over 6 years ago---

cough cough ACU

[remote leaf]

I feel like, if we get the SN2 wiki fully set up, we should slowly port over SN and BZ to it

[heady gulch]

the fact we went on strike and it worked goes to say something that we had significant influence back then.

[summer kindle]

How did we go on strike

[heady gulch]

dunno about now because subnautica is an older title and certainly isnt generating the clicks it used too

[heady gulch]

we threatened to pull the wiki or smth idk

[summer kindle]

Ah right

[heady gulch]

regardless they sent a representative to join the discord and talk it out with us. in this channel

[remote leaf]

oh yeah, I think back then we had delete buttons for wikis

[summer kindle]

I don’t remember this

[heady gulch]

if i remember any keywords i can find it.

[onyx river]

Im surprised they couldnt just yoink your powers and take over tbh

[summer kindle]

I was there but I do not remember

[summer kindle]

They can

[remote leaf]

will be fun porting over stuff

...I'm not doing references though....

funnily enough I dont know how they work after all these years

never touched them here

and dont use them on the SL wiki cause well. why bother? it is ran by the company.

[fluid lagoon]

we need more information to come out about SN2 from other sources so we don't have to reference an anthomnia video on the SN2 page

[summer kindle]

They would just prefer to keep on the people who actually worked on the wiki because they’re the ppl who actually know it

[sharp oak]

Ugh that guy 🙄

[onyx river]

ah makes sense

[summer kindle]

Trying to get new ppl to manage it would be annoying

[remote leaf]

even then, more and more wikis are leaving fandom

[heady gulch]

okay i cant find it.

[remote leaf]

they are starting to loose big ones

minecraft fandom wiki is a mess from what I heard

[heady gulch]

yeah when they merged BZ wiki with the main ones, most of the dedicated BZ editors just jumped ship.

[remote leaf]

the idea of fandom being bad, is growing more and more popular

[onyx river]

It hurts me that the pokemon fandom wiki takes priority over bulbapedia

[sharp oak]

It's still linked in the official Mojang site

[remote leaf]

damn

[sharp oak]

I'm green, I like being special :3

[fluid lagoon]

i will never stop using fandom as an example of inaccessible design whenever i get the chance to on assignments

[summer kindle]

I was green, once

[fluid lagoon]

i was also green

[summer kindle]

But that was many years ago

[remote leaf]

so was vee

[fluid lagoon]

i was so many colors

[remote leaf]

both are like, the only reason I got to return, they fought for it

[summer kindle]

Are you talking about me?

[sharp oak]

Well, guess that means I'm the only still currently cool person, you greys, blues and oranges may sob as you like

[remote leaf]

I cant remember who at this point hten

[summer kindle]

My memory of like

Most of that era is just not functional

So I don’t remember

[heady gulch]

here we go @summer kindle

[remote leaf]

Im just luckily enough to be one of the few unbanned....and not rebanned later lol

[heady gulch]

i found it. this is where we won

[fluid lagoon]

i mean nobody really "fought" for it lol
it was mostly a matter of being like "hey we have literally no record for why this guy was banned can we unban him" "yeag"

[remote leaf]

at this point Im just gonna blame solar particles lol

clearly the cause

[heady gulch]

hahaha

[remote leaf]

[summer kindle]

Vee has memory of every conversation ever I have some form of amnesia

[fluid lagoon]

removed the visual editor as default
this is discrimination against me personally

[sharp oak]

Speaking of solar particles, do you know who made the Solar Panel values?

[heady gulch]

okay the visual editor is lame.

[heady gulch]

no clue, below zero or maingame?

[sharp oak]

I don't remember if it was a regular or not

[sharp oak]

Main game, was reverted recently

[summer kindle]

No that would have been done so long ago

It would take a long while to find

[sharp oak]

They were made this month

[remote leaf]

btw

[sharp oak]

And removed this week

[remote leaf]

where did the biome matters for solar panel come from

Im not seeing it in the code

[fluid lagoon]

also why did we let floof keep adding health to creature pages i thought we weren't doing that to make a point

[summer kindle]

Were we

[heady gulch]

idk the stance on that.

[fluid lagoon]

i thought we were

[summer kindle]

Sorry I have amnesia

[heady gulch]

through the years the stance has shifted so many times.

it used to be "no health values"

[remote leaf]

eh, I dont care that much about it

[heady gulch]

then there were "okay maybe health values"

[remote leaf]

I feel like there isnt that much of a reason to hide them now

[sharp oak]

Light values, I think. Grassy Plateaus is might brighter than Crag Field. I'm not sure if there's actually a difference but the values were obsolete either way.

[remote leaf]

game is old, they probably been floating around for years

[fluid lagoon]

gemma's starring in the worst Amnesia sequel of all time

[heady gulch]

into "sure lets display damage values" then towards "ohh cool lets find the damage values on propulsion canon weapons and prove how the acid mushroom and propulsion canon actually doesnt do anymore damage than a normal item"

stuff like that.

if you have one, you might as well add the other.

[remote leaf]

all Im seeing is depth changing it

[heady gulch]

since we have damage values on items, might as well go ahead with health values too.

[summer kindle]

Don’t say it’s the worst it’s not even out yet

[remote leaf]

depth and day night cycle

speaking of damage

prawn grapple is 5, drill is 4

last I checked

[onyx river]

I mean we can retest the values then

[summer kindle]

Why do we have 28/s for drill

[sharp oak]

Someone dealt 28 damage with 1 tick of Drill, and 56 with 2 seconds. What damage does it deal? They might have checked it wrong, can't trust people who aren't Ignis these days

[remote leaf]

yep, still true

[summer kindle]

Where did that come from then

[onyx river]

4 dps for drill and 5 per hit with grapple?

[summer kindle]

But how fast does the drill deal damage

[remote leaf]

I cant find a speed for it

could just be 4 every frame

[summer kindle]

So we don’t know then

[sharp oak]

I heard 4 damage, 7 times per second?

[summer kindle]

That’s what I remember

[heady gulch]

right i keep getting segwayed.
https://subnautica.fandom.com/wiki/Message_Wall:TheReaperWhoAteYourSeamoth

Uhhh reaper dude's message well.
they haven't sworn aside from a censored curse.
however they cannot be using subnautica wiki as a base of operations for their own wiki.

Talking about fortnite in message walls is okay.
Talking about your friends in message walls is okay

• Using the message walls to coordinate your own wiki administrator decisions, and file uploads, is not okay

• trash talking other users knowing they cant see these messages is DEFINITELY not okay. that's effectively off-wiki drama, and verges onto harassment.

[summer kindle]

Why are they coordinating their own wiki stuff here

For what purpose

[heady gulch]

because they arent bright enough to do it somewhere else. sorry for being blunt.

[remote leaf]

yeah, drill doesnt have any time in the code, so it is probably just every frame

[heady gulch]

I'll tell them off rn on it.

[fluid lagoon]

we should only allow discussions of video games related to Subnautica such as hit cardgame The Binding of Isaac: Four Souls Requiem

[heady gulch]

if they don't get the hint I'll incinerate the message thread

[sharp oak]

Thanks

[bitter dock]

I believe the titan holefish gives at least 12 oxygen, rather than the 10 stated on its page.

[heady gulch]

I do not believe in restricting what people talk about on message walls and in off topic discussion category. However there is a limit to what you're allowed to do. anything violating the fandom TOS or our own; that requires discipline

[summer kindle]

Titan Holefish is another data bank that is so bad

[onyx river]

That actually hurts

[fluid lagoon]

wait a minute i should put this on the wiki

[sharp oak]

Why should you

[heady gulch]

are you still an admin on the wiki

[summer kindle]

This is testable right

[fluid lagoon]

Yes.

[remote leaf]

if we change framerate, then yeah

[bitter dock]

That information is not from the databank entry.

[fluid lagoon]

also i don't mean we should put that rule on the wiki i mean the Card

[remote leaf]

looking at the code

no set value

seems to use a formula

[summer kindle]

I’m aware I was just reminded by the mention of it

[bitter dock]

I'm curious as to how and why this was implemented.

[bitter dock]

Is the "slow, stupid, and delicious" line the problem?

[summer kindle]

No

[remote leaf]

It checks two values
Titan Hole Fish Oxygen
Max Oxygen your tank can hold, minus how much oxygen is missing

which ever is small, it refills that much

[fluid lagoon]

should i put the Peeper card in the "Other media" section of the gallery and then have a blurb for it in Trivia

[remote leaf]

titan hole fish can refill a max of 100

[sharp oak]

It mentions Symbiotes before you scan them

Or is it the other way around

[onyx river]

Okay ill just put something along the lines of it can fill up to 100 air, based on how much oxygen they player has remaining, or is there more to it then that?

[summer kindle]

Also not the problem I just think making the Titan Holefish a being that somehow just emits oxygen and does not eat was silly

[remote leaf]

that is correct

[fluid lagoon]

gemma. save me gemma

[summer kindle]

I don’t know what you’re even saying

What is the Peeper card

[fluid lagoon]

the peeper card!!! from hit cardgame the binding of isaac: four souls requiem!!!

[remote leaf]

man

[fluid lagoon]

nobody remembers all of my bizarre exploits

[bitter dock]

I'm a little confused as to how this works.

[remote leaf]

tldr

it just refills your tank

[summer kindle]

I don’t think I’ve ever heard of this in my life

[remote leaf]

but it can never refill more than 100 seconds

[fluid lagoon]

you don't remember this

[remote leaf]

BZ still has so much SN stuff in it

[heady gulch]

oh no

[remote leaf]

just scrolling through

[heady gulch]

i cant remember her name

TIKARA

[remote leaf]

"Sunbeam event"

[heady gulch]

i remember

[summer kindle]

What is this from

Also we already discussed how I do not remember anything u know this

[bitter dock]

You get some oxygen even if the tank is empty, don't you?

[fluid lagoon]

this

[summer kindle]

Like is this something official?

[remote leaf]

if tank is empty, then you will just get 100 seconds

[fluid lagoon]

yeahh

it's official

since Tikara was both an SN playtester and a card artist on Four Souls i pulled some strings with Donya and had a Peeper card added lol

[summer kindle]

Ah I see

Then yeah just add that to the other tab for fun

[fluid lagoon]

most obscure SN trivia of all time

[remote leaf]

huh

didnt know that

this game as a script called "avoiding terrain"

strange

[bitter dock]

That doesn't seem entirely right to me, but I won't argue.

[sharp oak]

For Stalkers?

[remote leaf]

creatures in general

[summer kindle]

Why is that strange

[sharp oak]

Ah, Shadows are quite bad at it

[remote leaf]

because it is never used

[summer kindle]

True

[onyx river]

seadragons be like

[sharp oak]

Is it the same with Oxygen Plants?

[remote leaf]

hm

[sharp oak]

All creatures can clip through terrain. Large creatures, at least.

[remote leaf]

iceworm can eat small fish still

and medium fish

[summer kindle]

What

[remote leaf]

if they touch the iceworm's mouth, they get destroyed

[summer kindle]

Why was it ever even given that ability

[remote leaf]

idk

[bitter dock]

Does a pengwing count as a medium fish?

[remote leaf]

actually found a list of classifications

[heady gulch]

alright, i told them off. i misread something as them trash talking someone else on another wiki. But I told them pretty much that our wiki is not their private warroom and that they have to go somewhere else if they wanna coordinate their own wiki development.

[remote leaf]

Coral, Small Fish, Medium Fish, Shark, Whale, Leviathan, Trap, Crab, Poison, Fish School

[sharp oak]

They don't get damaged by the attacks, so probably a different entity

[summer kindle]

What comes under whale

[onyx river]

Glowwhale probs

[sharp oak]

Eye jelly, Whales, Gasopods

Reefbacks

[onyx river]

im sorry eye jelly?

[remote leaf]

it doesnt let me see what is listed under them, I can just see these classes exist

[heady gulch]

as for why they are using the wiki this way:

because they probably dont know what discord / telegram is, or dont care enough to use it. A lot of youngunns love using fandom because I guess its just.. easy to use??? im pretty sure discord is as well, but probably just convenience because they can talk, as well as edit wikis.

[remote leaf]

would have to use a different tool for that

[sharp oak]

Yes, they are whales, meaning nothing attacks them

[onyx river]

More accurate biology from subnautica

[summer kindle]

By the way did you used to use a different name

[sharp oak]

(despite Squidshark PDA referencing hunting larger targets)

[bitter dock]

Spikey traps will eat them, just so you know.

[heady gulch]

oh man bip not again

[sharp oak]

Oh right, forgor

[remote leaf]

spikey traps probably have some exception

[sharp oak]

They work weirdly

[fluid lagoon]

you're going to the old folks home that's xenodrone

[summer kindle]

Ah right

[heady gulch]

bahahaha

[remote leaf]

spikey traps seem to just search for anything

[summer kindle]

Yeah I was trying to remember

I knew there was some name like that

[remote leaf]

granted, best way to test for whale

spawn random fauna on iceworm mouth

[summer kindle]

Aren’t you older than me

[remote leaf]

see what despawns

[bitter dock]

I think it will eat noot fish, but not others.

[fluid lagoon]

ok there

[sharp oak]

Lilypaddler </3

[fluid lagoon]

How old are you.

[summer kindle]

23

[remote leaf]

if it despawns from ice worm it is a small fish or medium fish

[fluid lagoon]

YOU'RE OLDER

[summer kindle]

I have nothing

[heady gulch]

have your knees given out yet?

[remote leaf]

(snow stalkers have their own script, dont worry)

old people

you know, that's probably another reason why wiki editing went down

[sharp oak]

All edible fish respawn except spinnerfish

[remote leaf]

we were all teenagers during Subnautica's early access

[summer kindle]

Yes I mentioned this the other day

[fluid lagoon]

i had hair during subnautica's early access

not the case anymore!

[onyx river]

But somehow andy managed so summon everyone

[summer kindle]

I was like 16 however I am now an adult who is also married how am I meant to find time to edit wikis

I have to cook dinner and clean house

[remote leaf]

I have moved twice

and still stuck with parents

[fluid lagoon]

gemma got married to a supermarket chain

[remote leaf]

(USA)

[heady gulch]

yeah, we started working on the wiki more than 8 years ago, at least you guys/gals. my record goes back to 2015.. so active on the wiki since.. wow okay nearing 9 years then

[sharp oak]

Oh please, no need for applaudes, oh you guys are too much... You're clapping, right?

[remote leaf]

the perfect timing

[fluid lagoon]

i'll start clapping when you beat my record of five credits across both SN games

get to work‼️

[sharp oak]

Uhh, no thanks, I'd rather not be affiliated with Fandom

Will still provide info as often as possible

[onyx river]

Playtesting time andy

[fluid lagoon]

spy pengling time andy

[remote leaf]

How many credits were in a position you got paid for

[fluid lagoon]

absolutely none of them

[sharp oak]

What's the point of self destruct

[remote leaf]

Got paid for SL wiki at one point