subnautica-2-chat

[hallow violet]

haha you underestimate me..

[lusty sierra]

i may have to steal that video for my sn2 folder

[brittle cloak]

easier to pierce stuff

[pliant aurora]

how many things do you need to pierce, where cutting isn't enough?

[hallow violet]

if i kill a leviathan can i leave the basement?

what the..

[frank kettle]

(caps)

[gaunt pasture]

we basically have a billhook thing

[hallow violet]

;-;

[brittle cloak]

filleting fish

[lusty sierra]

we have fabricators for that

[frank kettle]

it was requested i make it how dares :(

[hallow violet]

so can i leave the basement?

[pliant aurora]

fair, but then again we're in subnautica;
fabricator

[gaunt pasture]

#memes-and-media

[gaunt pasture]

What?

[lusty sierra]

oh i was making a joke about the leeks i didn't realize you went to go make it 😭

[frank kettle]

lol

[hallow violet]

oh okay... i guess i wont leave the subnautca basement..

chat just died

[frank kettle]

yep

[hallow violet]

damn

so..

[frank kettle]

so..

[lusty sierra]

random image from the folder go

[hallow violet]

idk man uh ima learn how to mod and put my game dev skills to use

[frank kettle]

who in the world is anita

[hallow violet]

did you scower the.. hey dude can you dm me the whole folder?

[wise karma]

autosaves in subnautica 2 🥹

[warm lion]

i dont have a folder

[hallow violet]

oh mb

[lusty sierra]

we've seen the game autosave quite a few times

[frank kettle]

WHOOOOOOOOOOooo YHEA babyyyy thats what im talking about... (gasp) WHOOOOoo

[hallow violet]

wrong person

[warm lion]

i just copy paste from my own server where i collect screenshots

[wise karma]

i lowkey have never noticed

[hallow violet]

can you send me the whole folder?

[lusty sierra]

discord might not like how large the folder is but i can send a zipped copy

[hallow violet]

legend

[green mortar]

Sup

[pastel moth]

my favorite autosave screenshot is definitely this one

[hallow violet]

Hi

[frank kettle]

can i also get the folder 🥺

[lusty sierra]

yea

[frank kettle]

anyone wanna tell me what the werid cube icon thing is on the right?

[main plover]

Good thing if anything bad happens we can load back to this save where all was well

[hallow violet]

mhm so the thing is...

[pliant aurora]

in order top to bottom
lifepod
tadpole
just a normal signal

[warm lion]

its like in alien isolation where you save the game with the alien chasing you so you are stuck in a loop

[frank kettle]

lifepod i see i see

I still think it would have been cooler if we didn't have a lifepod and started the game down in the depths due to an expedition going wrong.

[terse apex]

What was the plans for release?

[pastel moth]

foulhawk's wakemaker shortcut strat is a good one, this will work vertically too

[hallow violet]

so is the story for this game a crash again or just cuz

[brittle cloak]

Crashfish 2

[wise karma]

im pretty sure the story we know of is; we are on a ship called the cicada and are going to a planet called zezura, but our ships AI goes rogue and changes the course,

[neon sapphire]

2 hsifhsarC

[hallow violet]

ah okay

[wise karma]

i might just be straight up wrong though

[terse apex]

Like ive heard EA was gonna be in May but when is full release?

[hallow violet]

no.

[frank kettle]

read chats from before

[brittle cloak]

May is unconfirmed but possible. Full release is still years out

[frank kettle]

it will help

[hallow violet]

hm? what i missed

[frank kettle]

i was just pinning the guy asking the question so he wouldnt have to scroll to it

[hallow violet]

ok thx

[frank kettle]

and your chat ended up being the one i pinged

[drifting crag]

You have potentially a couple of months to get familiar enough with the way unreal engine stored entities in memory, install a memory editor such as cheat engine, and get really practiced in finding the memory locations where the creatures are stored and deleting them cleanly

[hallow violet]

oh, thanks

[plush hatch]

Maaaaaannnnnnn I'm gonna hate this
(In a good way)

[sour patio]

i cant believe how great the game is gonna be looking just for ea1

and how much were gonna have

[plush hatch]

I prefer the Switch Axe myself or the Long Sword

[silent oak]

switch axe actually goes hard

[plush hatch]

It's soooo satisfyinng

[frank kettle]

wait this is still sub 2 right?

[pastel moth]

it's actual name is Survival Multitool

[fervent aurora]

thanks, autosave

[plush hatch]

Smol Monster Hunter references

[lusty sierra]

had to go get a new screenshot since i didn't have one but

[plush hatch]

Switch Axe in SN2 would be

[lusty sierra]

to my knowledge this shot was the first time we saw the name in-game (though it's been called that by devs in here for a bit before)

[frank kettle]

nah give me a prawn suit with a grappling arm and drill, I'll kill every Leviathan.

[plush hatch]

Gimmie Prawn and Grapples so I can stick them to their butts and get yoinked around

[fervent aurora]

seems like we need the multitool to get the raion for batteries
so our first tool is the multitool insteade of the scanner this time

[jagged pelican]

oh no my friends dad was right about the disadvantages for auto save. the devs will have to make it so the auto save does not happen when your seconds away from dying

[pastel moth]

or just commit to the death and respawn without reloading

[plush hatch]

I'd rather it be a toggle

[jagged pelican]

how tho? you would just die over and over again

[plush hatch]

Manual saves ftw

[pastel moth]

I assume you respawn in a biobed when you die

[lusty sierra]

the survival multitool is a civilian use version of the switch-axe from natural selection

[fervent aurora]

god of war had both autosaves and manual saves
that would be a good middle ground
helps people who forget to save, and still lets us save scum

[jagged pelican]

oh yeah i forgot about those XD

[gaunt pasture]

It is

[drifting crag]

You don't spawn at the last save in sn1 either

[plush hatch]

🔥

[hallow violet]

yea i know what im doing

[green island]

I can hear this against metal

one of those pictures you can hear

[hallow violet]

if even 1 leviathan is killable then i will do it .. even if it has 1m hp i will succeed (at some point)

[green island]

Please have each autosave have like 4 or 5 options

[pastel moth]

leviathans won't be killable

[pulsar beacon]

pretty sure its said they dont even have health

[hallow violet]

at allll??

[gaunt pasture]

From what we have been told they simply do not have HP

[hallow violet]

just 1 just give it to 1..

give it 1m

[pulsar beacon]

you are not the hunter you are the hunted

[pliant aurora]

everything.

[hallow violet]

heh you are 100% right but im not ggonna stop trying

[gaunt pasture]

I’ve never understood how people derive any enjoyment from killing the leviathans

[hallow violet]

yea know but

[gaunt pasture]

It’s so lame to actually do

[pulsar beacon]

the definition of insanity

[drifting crag]

I don't understand it either but I respect the dedication

[hallow violet]

i dont i just enjoy fear..

and im teryfifed of leviathians so i normaly go for void ghosts

[pulsar beacon]

is it fearful to kill leviathans?

[hallow violet]

cause they respawn

[gaunt pasture]

I would respect it if it was actually like a hard thing to do but it’s just tedious instead

[fervent aurora]

I found killing leviathans to be really intense. the real issue is the area being boring and empty once the leviathan's dead

[hallow violet]

yea i wish they respawn

[lusty sierra]

went to grab some new screenshots from ditl and i noticed something

[pulsar beacon]

also even if they could be killed you would jsut die

[plush hatch]

"you don't see bodies"

So SN2 takes place inside a Matrix type simulation.....

[swift kraken]

Yeah if you kill a leviathan in SN1 its just like wow. awesome. you shot it with a stasis rifle and clicked a button and did that over and over

[pulsar beacon]

the only reason it was possible in SN1 and BZ was due to the stasis rifle which wont be making a return

[lusty sierra]

is this a player black box?

[pliant aurora]

reboot card (not my joke don't hate me)

[plush hatch]

Stasis rifle was not in BZ

[hallow violet]

ohh that makes sense

[pulsar beacon]

thought it was must be tripping

[plush hatch]

Only through spawn/item commands

[hallow violet]

eh iv done it without it

[pliant aurora]

even the stasis rifle needed aim
prawn grapple and drill
click and hold button 1
click and hold button 2

[swift kraken]

I don't think I've seen very many people killing leviathans in BZ, but that may also be due to less people playing BZ

[plush hatch]

But normal gameplay? Na

[pulsar beacon]

the disrespect people had for BZ was insane

[hallow violet]

eh im not a fan thats for sure

[swift kraken]

BZ was not a bad game in the slightest

[quartz lake]

Imagine you get stuck and the game auto saves

[pulsar beacon]

it was unique

[swift kraken]

Imagine you crashed and the last save was 2 hours ago

[pulsar beacon]

thos who know

[plush hatch]

I wanna continue the original story of BZ but they removed all of the builds from steam

[swift kraken]

I can tell you that in my steam library I had 8 friends who played SN1 and 2 who played BZ

[pulsar beacon]

sounds like you need to force some people to play bz

[plush hatch]

From what I remember, I was liking it better than the revised story

[quartz lake]

It’s funny how people call bz a flop when it sold well

[plush hatch]

Sales ≠ flop or success

[pulsar beacon]

literally what that means

[swift kraken]

Admittedly, 5 of those 8 have less than 10 hours in SN1 so they didn't even finish the first game lol

[quartz lake]

The devs don’t consider bz being a flop

[plush hatch]

No because if it was successful it would have been loved like 1

[pulsar beacon]

no a success or a flop is literally defined by its profit margins
thats all that really matters in the game world

[swift kraken]

Subnautica 1 caught lightning in a bottle, it is unreasonable to expect to do it twice

[pastel moth]

it has very positive reviews on steam and it was profitable, it objectively wasn't a flop

[quartz lake]

Also bz is mostly positive in reviews

[pastel moth]

it's fine if you don't like it, or like it less than sn1

[swift kraken]

They don't want you to know this but this is the WORST game of ALL TIME

[drifting crag]

It was a fun game, you can feel a little bit that it had a rocky development in the story, and it's a less environmental style so it's not 1:1 with what sn1 players are guaranteed to like, but I enjoyed playing it

[swift kraken]

To be clear, this is a joke

[pulsar beacon]

BZ did in fact sell less then SN1
but also 3.3m sales is nothing to laugh at

[quartz lake]

Only 3.3 million? Clearly a flop

[green island]

BZ probably also cost less than SN1

[pulsar beacon]

was the development time shorter for BZ?

[quartz lake]

Some people treat bz like it killed there family

[swift kraken]

I believe BZ was in early access from 2019 to 2021?

[neon sapphire]

Pretty sure they cost the same

[neon sapphire]

It’s genuinely good

[pulsar beacon]

def shorter then SN1 thats for sure

[swift kraken]

Though I think it was meant to release originally like months to maybe a year earlier than it did before the story rewrite and everything

[plush hatch]

I don't see sales as "success" because if you only focus on that? Then you get complacent and are more likely to pump out more slop.

Look at stuff like CoD, it's technically a "success" if you just count sales but it's a terrible series of games.

Sales should be taken into account for overall success, yes but it's not the derministic statistic.

At least it shouldn't be.

[drifting crag]

sn1 was 2014-2018, which leaves less time between its release and BZ's than it had in early access

[dawn wave]

when does this game come out again

[pulsar beacon]

a good game does not equal a success

[quartz lake]

Bz was originally intended to be a map expansion of sub 1

[red ermine]

unconfirmed

[pulsar beacon]

your thinking of a good game vs a bad game
success is not defined by any of those metrics

[quartz lake]

A game selling very well while also having very positive reviews on steam isn’t a flop

[plush hatch]

It is if you care about what you create

[swift kraken]

BZ went through a lot of pains during development and still came out the other side as a good game so I can't complain

[plush hatch]

If you don't care? Sure, large bank is a success

[pulsar beacon]

good games flop all the time

[green island]

cause a good game is just a part of the recipe

[plush hatch]

Ye, you can still have bad advertising etc. etc.

I'm sure a part (could be big or small) of why SN2 is bein whipped up because the team doesn't want to leave things on a relatively sour-ish note

BZ was good but it wasn't perfect

[pulsar beacon]

the thing is
BZ was received well

[plush hatch]

Lotta things to fix from past mistakes, lotta new things to create that they couldn't in BZ etc.

[quartz lake]

Anthony already said sub 2 isn’t a “apology” for bz

[plush hatch]

Never said it was nor contextually inferred that

[green island]

SN2 an apology for BZ aylmao the things one hears online

[pulsar beacon]

BZ got a 89% on its reviews
sure SN1 got 97% but a 8% difference isnt bad

[quartz lake]

Bz isn’t that bad that it needs to be apologized for being made idk why people think that

[plush hatch]

I said it could be a reason that the team themselves didn't want to leave things that way

[pulsar beacon]

except the team was proud of BZ

[swift kraken]

SN2 was always going to happen

[warm lion]

Leave things what way

[green island]

It could be the flat earth tilting to one side too much too

SN1 didn't really explain the bacteria, it was in my eyes never intended to be the only SN game, BZ didn't explain it either, they just explain how it started

[pulsar beacon]

and guess what
SN2 wont explain it either

[drifting crag]

It also connects into natural selection lore

[plush hatch]

Lotta things they couldn't create, systems to have, things to do, stretching their storytelling arms, new creatures that couldn't be used that can now be repurposed

[pulsar beacon]

pretty sure we need another NS game to get more bacterium lore

[green island]

Bet my bottom dollar SN2 will explain way more than we know about the bacteria

[pulsar beacon]

its been said it wont even be in the game

[green island]

Where did you get that from?

[drifting crag]

I wonder if there ever will be NS3, I doubt it honestly, I don't know if modern day UW would make an alien shooter

[green island]

mods say they don't think there's a market for it

[quartz lake]

I wonder if they’ll make any more sub games after this

Probably too early to tell

[plush hatch]

Natural Subnaulection

[drifting crag]

It would really be a surprise for the studio to go back to their like decades old series for a refresh

[pulsar beacon]

after all these years
UWE resorts to violence

[pulsar beacon]

it was said by one of the developers cant find it though
if seth shows up you can ask him about it he should know

[green island]

I highly doubt it's true

the whole IP is about that bacteria

Wouldn't it be absurdly out of place that SN2 will be the only game in the universe of the bacteria that won't have the bacteria

SN1, BZ NS, SN2? Noup

[warm lion]

The bacteria won't be the focus of the new story if that's what you mean

[pulsar beacon]

unconditionalone back me up here

[plush hatch]

What if the next game is you working at alterra in a "Aperture Desk Job" way?

[quartz lake]

Can’t wait for the game to auto save in front of a leviathan

[green island]

I'm kinda lost as to why that would be the case tbh, subverting my expectations alright

[warm lion]

For all we know humanity died out except us

[green island]

As far as I was told that's not yet the case, no

[pulsar beacon]

because the original strain is gone
and NS2 has its own plot device that really wouldnt make sense to interject into SN2

[quartz lake]

It does seem time has passed since the cicada has crashed because all the wrecks are covered in coral

[plush hatch]

A Wall-E like

But NS/SN

[green island]

I still don't see it

[gaunt pasture]

well in the devlog Seth did the intro for he started out by saying “you might be the last human being in the universe”

[pulsar beacon]

SN1 we killed off the kharaa in the water
BZ we killed off the kharaa in the ice

that literally means the strain from SN1 is gone

[plush hatch]

Rip Robin and Ry, then

[pliant aurora]

this is all I could find of kharaa REAAALLLY related to sn2
but I'm pretty sure this has gone on to become the virus in the checks notes 363 days since this message

[gaunt pasture]

Somehow, Kharaa returned

[green island]

So the game wont be about the bacteria cause it wiped the entire universe and we'll be just chilling on a planet completely disconnected from it

I'm utterly lost

[swift kraken]

I can't believe in SN2 they turn Kharaa white and ethically ambiguous

[pulsar beacon]

this can be taken as a no or a yes btw

[plush hatch]

It is all of the bacteria and we are all the white blood cells?

[pliant aurora]

sadly... the devs love their plausible deniability lmao

[drifting crag]

My theory has always been that "last human" may be since anything currently human has been genetically modified beyond the definition of humanity

[plush hatch]

my vision is augmented

[swift kraken]

If everybody is dead keep me on this moon bro I'm not going home

[gaunt pasture]

Well Kharaa is a major catalyst of events in the storyline but likely not a focus in the game the same way it was in SN1 and BZ

[pulsar beacon]

"nah nah bro the marines in NS2 totally won you gotta believe me"

[drifting crag]

The moons looks like it would make a good home eventually, after enough gene edits to be able to survive there

[quartz lake]

I really wonder what sent cicada to this moon

[green island]

Which honestly is the first I hear of it and it puzzles me to no end

[gaunt pasture]

We’re part of a colony that was sent out to escape Kharaa

[plush hatch]

Wait if it's a similar microbe to Kharaa....does that mean we have an "Umbrella Corp." In NS/SN?

Out here creatin the "T-Virus" from "Progenitor Virus" etc.

[gaunt pasture]

Yes his name is Vinh Pham

[green island]

Here I was thinking we'd be playing part in another stage of the arch and we'll be playing some filler episode?

[pliant aurora]

this could be something I guess? very vague still

[quartz lake]

I wonder if Robin and Alan are dead now

[gaunt pasture]

How is the aftermath filler

[swift kraken]

I think my new theory is that the world tree does some sort of electromagnetic wave signaling thing to attract things to consume for energy, and at the start of the story we think the blight is bad and try to kill it but later learn that it is good because it is killing the big evil world tree or something. Or perhaps none of the above because it is simply nature at work

[drifting crag]

I doubt we're gonna get unambiguous answers from seth, he likes to give us answers cleverly crafted to contain as little information as possible

[quartz lake]

I made a theory that the tree was evil before

[green island]

I mean that's the only sensible way to do it, if it was indeed nothing else to talk about, but it still puzzles me

[pliant aurora]

actually maybe better to just do this for the whole convo

[pulsar beacon]

this was what i was referencing earlier

[plush hatch]

Soooo, the original story to Destiny?
(We were goin after "The Darkness" because it kept following The Traveller around but it would have turned out that "The Darkness" is The Traveller)

[swift kraken]

You are never going to guess what game series the SN2 Senior Narrative Designer worked on previously

[pliant aurora]

well that's in reference to 4546B, zero bearing on the galaxy as a whole

[gaunt pasture]

SN1 had the discovery, BZ had the immediate aftereffects, NS has the conflict and SN2 has the aftermath

[swift kraken]

What does it mean if Anthony reacts to this with a thinking emoji...

[quartz lake]

There’s definitely more to the coral tree than just a giant tree

[hazy ivy]

Coral fruit?

[pastel moth]

kharaa does seem to have played a role in why we went on this trip

[pulsar beacon]

the thing is the galactic kharaa has nothing to do with SN1 or BZ

[quartz lake]

Coral doesn’t grow fruit it’s not a plant

[swift kraken]

The interesting thing is that the pioneer program was seemingly planned before Kharaa went crazy in the Ariadne Arm

[plush hatch]

Avatar intensifies

[drifting crag]

My guess would be that it's an interesting theory

[green island]

So we lost? we fought a battle , lost the war, move on?

[pliant aurora]

arguable, but regardless, it has a hell of a lot to do with natural selection, and by weird extention the pioneer program

[gaunt pasture]

Seemingly

[quartz lake]

I just said the p word in this chat hopefully Seth didn’t see

[pulsar beacon]

if you saw those poor marines you would understand

[green island]

It seems like an odd place to pick up things from narrative wise, hard to close the story this way

[swift kraken]

Just a few more Subnautica games...

[gaunt pasture]

maybe it’s a new beginning…

[plush hatch]

The end is where we begin

[quartz lake]

I wonder how Alan is doing now

[pulsar beacon]

i mean we cant really communicate with anyone
so you really have no idea whats happening off the planet

[crystal temple]

not too many though, we dont need subnautica 13

[pliant aurora]

yo this could make a banger core concept for a game in the series. imagine like adapting to new environments and stuff (/j)

[remote crypt]

I hope subnautica 2 is out by next month

[green island]

Feels really out of place that we'd get a reset in the story we've been telling for decades, with a "better luck next time" sign

[pastel moth]

the pda entry for the new hatch membrane mentioned kharaa, I think it helped detect it or something

[swift kraken]

Subnautica 13 in the big 2109 will go hard

[remote crypt]

Lol

[pulsar beacon]

the NS2 plot made it clear the bacterium had gotten out of hand

[pastel moth]

this one

[quartz lake]

If we are the last humans in the universe then we are kinda doomed

[green island]

magic super tech and aliens will save us or whatever

[pulsar beacon]

nah bro we got human printing
genetic diversity be damned

[plush hatch]

I hope SN2 wont turn my PC into a C5 Galaxy with TF39-GE-1C's

[gaunt pasture]

Well the last vestiges of the Architects are probably out there somewhere still.

(Al-An)

[swift kraken]

Subnautica 3 where Ryley unites Robin, Al-An, and 1-4 people from a random moon to save the galaxy

[flint sentinel]

I still feel the idea that kharraa "wipped the universe out" is a little extreme... Especially because this moon that hasn't been touched by the bacterium is still within the same galaxy as 4546B.

Kharraa can only spread as far as humans have taken it. That's why it wasn't a problem until we discovered 4546B.

[green island]

what galaxy, they're all bacteria'd

[plush hatch]

"The Randoms" team

[pulsar beacon]

has seth told us what happened to the other disease research facilities?
they just mentioned them in SN1 and then never brought that up again

[gaunt pasture]

We don’t know where this moon is and we also don’t really know if everyone is dead yet

[quartz lake]

40k people on the cicada and only 1 person was able to reprint themselves

[drifting crag]

There is a lot of space to write in the other parts of the architect's kharaa response

[pliant aurora]

I wonder what the deeper overarching timeline really is
we know alterra started the pioneer program, but was it because of the kharaa after all?

[swift kraken]

Well they were able to reprint at one point and then were seemingly unable to

[plush hatch]

The 1 person was the only smart one

[gaunt pasture]

Clearly not the case if you see the clips at the end of the latest vid

[green island]

The galaxy can't be lost, they didn't develop lore for two decades to throw it all away, we'll cure the bacteria, change my mind, that's the only reasonable thing to do

[pulsar beacon]

this is literally how stories work
they have to end sooner or later

[drifting crag]

There is a lore explanation for multiplayer so there are canonically multiple people, I don't know how they explain a good few without putting in so many that the planet would be crawling with them

[plush hatch]

Reprint the universe, make everything a simulacra

[green island]

But we didn't even try to save the galaxy

[quartz lake]

Well idk who Sophie or Anita is but they need to get there eyes checked

[pulsar beacon]

dude thats the plot of NS2

[drifting crag]

The story can say "they lost, and then-"

[green island]

Not really

[warm lion]

I think someone in here said the zezura mission was started before the natural selection outbreak

[gaunt pasture]

At the end of Subnautica 2 Al-An will appear and use the Al-An Annihilator on the Collector and save us

[pulsar beacon]

literally the plot of NS2

[flint sentinel]

As far as we're aware Alterra hasn't built any phase gates that take us out of the galaxy. Or at least were always between Milkdromeda or Andromeda idk what they called it.

So why would this phasegate jump on our way to Zezura (which is a planet confirmed to be within the Ariadne Arm) suddenly take us to somewhere beyond the galaxies.

[swift kraken]

(I lied earlier) Based on VfB it seems like Kharaa was spreading in the farthest reaches of the Ariadne Arm around the same time the Pioneer Program got started, so it may just be a coincidence or it may be more nefarious. I think it is unlikely Kharaa was going on and then Alterra started the Pioneer Program

[pulsar beacon]

NS2 is literally about the TSF attempting to stop the spread of the kharaa

[flint sentinel]

Also wait since when were you a mod, gemma?

[green island]

They fight it on a corner of the galaxy they're not trying to actually save the galaxy

[plush hatch]

AL-ANihilation

[dapper yarrow]

I genuinely think the kharaa bacterium outbreak in sn2 is Alterra's doing--a bioweapon on mongolian territory just as Robin feared. It makes the most sense to me and is more unique instead of "another outbreak"

[pulsar beacon]

what do you think the TSF is doing in NS2?
attempting to stop it from spreading across the galaxy

[gaunt pasture]

Why didn’t I think of that

[green island]

They're soldiers, we're scientists

[pliant aurora]

#subnautica-2-chat message lied, as in this?

[swift kraken]

The weird thing about Alterra is why they thought Zezura was like awesome for colonization, surveyed it and it sucked, and then still committed to it

[drifting crag]

It is interesting that with NS lore they pre-emptively wrote that things will go badly from the subnautica timeline, makes sense for this game to skip to what happens next instead of putting more in the "right before tragedy" space

[swift kraken]

Yeah that's what I was referring to, I had not referred to my timeline but now I have

[green island]

Alterra is dead, they're all dead, move on

[pulsar beacon]

thats why SN2 has nothing to do with the kharaa
the kharaa variant now is not something characters in the subnautica series would survive

[pliant aurora]

I ask because I just noticed that looking at the transcript

[plush hatch]

AL-AN whips out his trusty AL-ANihilator Cannon and just starts blastin'

[green island]

Al-gone

[warm lion]

hey wait a minute i just noticed we are on topic

[gaunt pasture]

Robin appears and says aren’t Ayou glad to see me

[pulsar beacon]

we are always on topic

[drifting crag]

More or less

[flint sentinel]

They probably had no better options.

[flint sentinel]

Al-Gore

[swift kraken]

Then they reprint Sam and she's like I'm Goodall, what about you?

[pulsar beacon]

a desert planet with water isnt bad for colonization

[pliant aurora]

what do you think, based on your timeline? I wanna hear you thoughts before I may go saying the same thing for nothing

[green island]

Mongolian federation? More like Free Biomass for the Kharaa

[swift kraken]

I think this is pretty much an accurate bar for bar retelling of what happened without much theorizing

[swift kraken]

Idk I'm not really confident enough to say whether ot not Alterra released it if that's what you mean

[flint sentinel]

From this summary it doesn't seem Kharraa gets any further than the outskirts of the Ariadne Arm

[swift kraken]

Based on Natural Selection it seems that it was released from some random planet inadvertently

[pliant aurora]

keyword
from that symmary

[pulsar beacon]

man those marines must have been putting in work

[green island]

Nah fam trust they all ded

[swift kraken]

I personally don't think it did

[flint sentinel]

I feel it's a wildly silly assessment to think it went from, one part of a galaxy... To the entire universe.

Again, Kharraa can only spread as far as humans or the mutated aliens can travel.

[plush hatch]

Ignored the lightbulb it seems, someone shook it too much

[gaunt pasture]

It was confined to the Ariadne Arm last we heard yeah. But who knows what happened next

[pulsar beacon]

we really dont know how it likes to spread
not like its explained

[gaunt pasture]

No one is claiming it’s universal

[flint sentinel]

...Nerzul was

[green island]

We're trapped on an alien planet, nobody has time to save the galaxy

[swift kraken]

I for one have faith in the TSF to stop the spread of Kharaa 🫡

[pulsar beacon]

the humble TSF

[gaunt pasture]

Humans are still only in one galaxy in the Subnautica universe

[plush hatch]

We need to get Samus Aran on the case

[swift kraken]

Despite what big Andromeda might tell you

[pulsar beacon]

seth has explained this already

[gaunt pasture]

Avery Quinn was a liar and a fraud

[pliant aurora]

shhhhh it's alpha andromedae it's alright

[swift kraken]

I know

[pulsar beacon]

dude someone needs to find that voice actor for Avery quinn and get him to update that line

[gaunt pasture]

Avery Quinn lied about his backstory so we would think he was cooler

[flint sentinel]

This. I think people are misunderstanding the "last human in the universe" line to mean "the last living thing in the universe"

I've seen multiple people make the mistake

[green island]

Does it matter really

[pulsar beacon]

its not even a confirmation that we are the last human in the universe
we are just so far from humanity we will never get an answer

[gaunt pasture]

Yes?

[drifting crag]

It's retroactively a star called andromeda that they're on the far side of, decently plausible since if that's a traversable distance people might start referring to the star as the primary andromeda because you can actually go there, and not have to specify

[swift kraken]

Ryley scratching his head when this guy on some random small ship said he was from another galaxy, do NOT get on that ship bro

[green island]

We're not gonna be playing space cows

[quartz lake]

The last living thing in the universe what is all the lifeforms in sub 2 then? Hallucinations?

[pulsar beacon]

its highly unlikely that the TSF couldnt consolidate their resources to defend a planet or a space station

[flint sentinel]

Kinda? When we know massive space-fairing alien civilisations have and can exist in this universe, it is entirely possible that another species like the Architects is just a few trillion light years away from andromeda

[flint sentinel]

Ahuh

[green island]

We ain't playing as those

[pulsar beacon]

do you even care about the lore?

[gaunt pasture]

In Subnautica 3 we play as a little green man

[pliant aurora]

the universe is 14 billion years old

[flint sentinel]

But they still probably exist

[swift kraken]

I think it is unlikely the silly Kharaa aliens would manage to get space-borne without humanity's help, the TSF needs to lock in and just abandon these random chunugs minining sites

[green island]

Fish react this man

[flint sentinel]

Al-an game maybe?

[pulsar beacon]

the kharaa is on space stations in NS2 isnt it?

[flint sentinel]

Your point? XD you're proving my point

[plush hatch]

Cryptosporidium intensifies

[pulsar beacon]

the kharaa is somehow getting off world and that is cause for concern

[drifting crag]

If you had them confined to certain planets you could abandon those ones and go death star on it

[pliant aurora]

a trillion light years is not a distance that exists in the universe

[swift kraken]

Well even if they are they probably can't fly em

[quartz lake]

Do you think dolphins are still extinct in sub 2

[gaunt pasture]

Kharaa evolved catapults

[pulsar beacon]

ya its only 30 billion light years across

[green island]

If the TSF was doing good we wouldn't be sending exodus ships and settlements wouldn't become all derelict and stuff

[swift kraken]

The humble Kharaa space elevator

[flint sentinel]

That's the observable universe.

[plush hatch]

Kharaa "Protograveminds"?

[gaunt pasture]

I don’t know what that is

[pulsar beacon]

cant see it doesnt exist

[quartz lake]

That’s only the observable universe the actual universe is speculated to be much bigger

[flint sentinel]

The actual universe could be far bigger, that's simply as much as the light as travelled from the beginning of the universe to us here on this place blue dot

[drifting crag]

The universe's size is who knows

[green island]

If the sentiment in the audios is "we're all going to die" I don't think the TSF is doing good

[pliant aurora]

the observable universe is 93 billion lightyears

[flint sentinel]

So every single star thats died out and we're seeing the Light of still exists?

[pulsar beacon]

the TSF is not doing thats kinda the point

[plush hatch]

Halo Flood thing, they grow to a "gravemind" and at later stages they "catapult" "seeds" into space to land on other planets

[pulsar beacon]

i dont make the rules

[pliant aurora]

I feel like I'm wrong here somewhere

[gaunt pasture]

Ah I never played Halo

[quartz lake]

The universe is most likely septillions of times bigger than the observable one

[pulsar beacon]

the kharaa in NS2 clearly is figuring out how to control creatures
now if that means it can control humans to pilot shuttles who knows

[plush hatch]

Ahhh okay

[green island]

If they can't grow spaceships I'd be surprised

[quartz lake]

And people will still say Earth is the only planet with life 😂

[pulsar beacon]

the kharaa can not grow spaceships i know that much

[green island]

not that we've seen

[pulsar beacon]

its pretty clear the kharaa cant grow spaceships

that would also not even make sense

[green island]

It can grow all sorts of things I don't know why an organic spaceship is difficult

[lusty sierra]

now i've got the mental image of a kharaa alien turning into a ship like al-an at the end of bz

[warm lion]

[pliant aurora]

organic engines at a macroscopic scale can't exists

[pulsar beacon]

because it cant grow something that can generate enough lift to get escape velocity?

thats the most insane thing ive ever heard

[green island]

Cause ofc we know the type of materials they'd use

cause we know alien materials

[pliant aurora]

actually there could be some scifi explanation I guess, but realistically I don't think so

[pulsar beacon]

the real logical explanation that i can imagine seth using is just that they hijack shuttles leaving the planet

[brave fjord]

can the “new lore” mods match the latest version

[flint sentinel]

The reason it's called the "observable universe" is because that's how much of it we can see from where we are. That's why the "edges" of the observable universe is the the remnants of the big bang. Because that is the light that's travelled to us from that distance.

Over time as the light from those parts of the universe are able to reach us, we will be able to see what's actually there.

This is the logic behind "ghost stars" in iron lung. Distant stars that have most certainly disappeared, but we can still see them because their non-existent light hasn't reach us yet.

[gaunt pasture]

Kharaa evolving to use space ships doesn’t really seem that outlandish at this stage kharaa can do whatever it wants

There’s a Kharaa mutant that can create phasegates

[green island]

It wiped the Architects and it can't travel in space meh

[flint sentinel]

Idk. Frm how they are in NS2 they don't seem that intelligent

[pulsar beacon]

using spaceships makes sense growing spaceships would be insane

[flint sentinel]

There was??

[pulsar beacon]

i believe gemmabee is confusing the tunnels in NS2 with phasegates

[flint sentinel]

Yeah, I feel the easy solution here is to shoot down all spaceships harbouring Kharraa mutants

[quartz lake]

Imagine being a species that’s able to put your body in a non organic structure and still being mostly wiped out from a disease

[green island]

don't overthink it, it's sci fi

[pulsar beacon]

we really dont know what the TSF has in terms of planetary defense weapons
after all they havent had to really wage planetary war

[flint sentinel]

We technically don't know,

[pulsar beacon]

there is a reason the architects designed firing a super heated plasma cannon at all ships as the best course of action

[gaunt pasture]

they got teleporting Kharaa lifeforms they can do anything https://naturalselection.fandom.com/wiki/Fade_(Natural_Selection_2)?so=search

Kharaa made a big Fade and teleported to a new planet

[flint sentinel]

That's kinda what the whole ending of BZ was tryna set up.

Maybe the architects are still alive, maybe they're all dead, maybe they're all in storage. We don't know. And you know what happens when you assume? [insert that one joke that would get me warned]

[flint sentinel]

I feel there has to still be a limit.

[silent oak]

hello chat

[plush hatch]

If precursors, they had organic bodies at one point iirc

Could be very mistaken

[dull finch]

They still do

[swift kraken]

Nobody show this to Seth

[lusty sierra]

there are complications that arise from storing a mind non-organically it seems
you can find the data for a corrupted architect in the bloodkelp sanctuary in sn1 and al-an mentions the process isn't lossless (memories, for example, can be lost during prolonged storage)

[green island]

The Kharaa is pretty much the Zergs

[dull finch]

Precursors Have Partially Biological Bodies consisting of samples from around 27 different species

They can also teleport SETH

[warm lion]

i thought that was the warpers

[dull finch]

Yeah sure man, they can MAKE teleporters but can't TELEPORT

[swift kraken]

Why Unknown Worlds decided to make the bacterium in SN1 the same thing as the aliens in NS2 I have no idea

[quartz lake]

Those architects they should’ve used that doomsday device and blow up the entire solar system and gotten it over with

[gaunt pasture]

They can teleport Seth?

[green island]

Cause that was the whole point I was told

[dull finch]

? It's an evolved bacterium

[pulsar beacon]

i find it hard to believe the blink ability is using phase gate stuff

[warm lion]

wrong reply

[swift kraken]

They don't usually do that lowkey

[dull finch]

Imagine you have super powers but your only power is to teleport a random dude

[plush hatch]

They fly warp now!?

[lusty sierra]

he is not safe

[dull finch]

... We are in space

[gaunt pasture]

I just say phase to refer to any teleporter stuff

[flint sentinel]

I still feel it's a stretch to say they'd go from teleporting across a small space station to entire galaxies

[green island]

different degrees of moving fast I think

[pulsar beacon]

though phase gates seem to require a point A and a point B this seems more in line with what warpers are doing

[flint sentinel]

And do we even know if they survive in space vacuum

[dull finch]

How did Al-An get to the warp gate from the fabricator base
Just think about that

[quartz lake]

They’ll find a way

[lusty sierra]

architects can also blink
what exactly blinking is... dunno

[fervent aurora]

what if he uses them as his cronies to teleport himself around

[gaunt pasture]

Yeah I assume long distance warping requires fixed gates

[green island]

gotta triangulate properly

[gaunt pasture]

What Warpers and Al-An do is only suitable for short hops

[dull finch]

1100 meters

[lusty sierra]

yeah that's what i meant

i assumed the blink ability in natural selection was also a short range thing but i may be mistaken

[pulsar beacon]

Al-an teleports?

[green island]

he did hop into your mind didn't it

[pulsar beacon]

no we transfer him into our mind
like idiots

[warm lion]

ok i was mistaken it was al-ans body

[green island]

we don't have visions beforehand?

[pulsar beacon]

no we dont

[quartz lake]

Sea monkeys will evolve to be intelligent lifeforms on 4546b

[green island]

Oh it's the emperor, my bad

[pulsar beacon]

the emperor also isnt using teleportation
she is projecting that into our mind

[quartz lake]

They’ll be the ones that’ll stop the kharaa

[pulsar beacon]

completely different ability

[flint sentinel]

God now I'm wondering what mind of mutants might come of the random 4546B fauna if they were infected by NS2 Kharraa

[dull finch]

That's uh
Telepathy

[flint sentinel]

Evil Sea Monkey Mutants

[warm lion]

mesmer mutant

[pulsar beacon]

i couldnt think of how to spell telepathy OK

[dull finch]

Tell a pathy

[pulsar beacon]

no i wont tell a pathy

[quartz lake]

Red plague but it’s green

And its not a plague

[pulsar beacon]

technically the kharaa can be considered a plague

not even technically it is a plague

[flint sentinel]

It'd actually be yellow

Since NS2 kharaa is yellow

[warm lion]

yellow kharaa vs green kharaa

[wise junco]

everyone here vastly putting more thought into the interconnection of the games than the studio did in the past i guarantee

[lusty sierra]

i mean the natural selection kharaa is almost certainly a different strain

[dull finch]

What

[desert mural]

is prime subnautica gonna come back?

[dull finch]

He said too many big words

[gaunt pasture]

and we’re not even paid to like Seth is

[pulsar beacon]

anthony telling us that they didnt even consider NS2 when writing the lore for SN1

[green island]

I don't think that's the sort of stuff that should be said out loud

[pulsar beacon]

basically what i got out of those big words

[wise junco]

im not saying they didn't think about it

[dull finch]

Let's take Seth's job

[wise junco]

but i guarantee they weren't agonizing over the color choices

[flint sentinel]

Lowkey I've always been dumbfounded by the decision to make Kharaa green in subnautica but then rename it to be in line with NS2

Like

Did they want to seperate them or tie them together???

[green island]

You're merely saying people in the discord have put more thought than them

[pulsar beacon]

they get away with it because their two difference strains

[quartz lake]

What if Marguerite is immortal and is evolving sea monkeys into hyper intelligent being to stop the kharaa

[gaunt pasture]

Obraxis said it was an age rating thing. Orange is too close to red or something

[swift kraken]

Obraxis said the color disparity with Kharaa was due to age rating reasons so I cannot be sad about that

[wise junco]

what im saying is i dont think they were as concerned about the inconsistencies

[dull finch]

Huhhh

[flint sentinel]

Huh, we need to add this to the wiki, wiki currently thinks it was done to seperate the games lmao

[wise junco]

i wasn't there, but it hink sometimes people get hung up on what i perceive as minor details

[gaunt pasture]

the next time we see Kharaa I hope it is blue or purple.

[swift kraken]

Inconsistencies = Perfect theory fodder

[lusty sierra]

finding ways to connect things (even if it isn't something that was considered by the people behind the games) is fun

[green island]

That's just the average narrative work

[dull finch]

What if it was purple

[quartz lake]

What if the kharaa is rainbow

[lusty sierra]

hot pink kharaa

[pulsar beacon]

Seth getting hung up on random scientific names

[dull finch]

Let's see it purple

[stable plover]

rainbow kharaa

[lusty sierra]

it is purple for an amazing reason

[green island]

Fixing things plugging holes, that's basically storytelling across several stories

[wise junco]

seth is a paid writer. Writers have to deal with the fallout of a full team that isn't always thinking about al lthe narrative details

[swift kraken]

Imo I think the list for most reliable lore will probably be

• SN2
• SN1
• BZ
• NS2

[wise junco]

so they might make a color change or mechanic adjustment, without fuill consideration of the narrative

[dull finch]

Why's Seth dealing with fallout, he's working on subnautica smh

[flint sentinel]

There is a logical path of reasoning to argue that the Kharaa seen in NS2 and VfB wasn't the same one from 4546B

I mean, that's what I've always assumed, otherwise it'd make the whole Frozen Leviathan side quest completely redundant.

[pulsar beacon]

no its confirmed
this is like literally just the lore

[green island]

A change of color in the kharaa is possibly the least important change, it's alive, it decided to change colors

[warm lion]

green is just a better color than yellow for glowing pustules

[lusty sierra]

nuclear winter localized entirely within his home

[flint sentinel]

When..? Cuz I've seen a ton of people arguing "nuh uh it's the same"

[wise junco]

and probably reads better on the various creatures

[green island]

eggs prefer yellow light, easy

[swift kraken]

The Kharaa from 4546B that is spreading everywhere is not confirmed to be the direct descendant of the VfB and NS2 Kharaa

[flint sentinel]

Feels more alien

[pulsar beacon]

Seth literally said the strain on 4546B was taken out
the strain in NS2 was located on a freyra IV in a mine

[desert mural]

is there gonna be like seal look like

[gaunt pasture]

Seth is employed so that the rest of the team can psychologically torture him by making and adding plants

[dull finch]

Yeah

[flint sentinel]

Imagine they chose like purple instead lmao

[flint sentinel]

Please show me so I can save this as a medal of proof

[swift kraken]

We already know Kharaa was all over the place and based on the NS wiki Freya IV was the source of the Kharaa alien monster guys

[pulsar beacon]

Is this enough for you?

[dull finch]

I thought BZ left things pretty clear. Kharaa had been destroyed by enzyme 42 and Robin wiped out the frozen reservoir.

[silent oak]

why are we all forwarding the same message

[swift kraken]

Do you guys know if BZ left things pretty clear or not?

[warm lion]

i forwarded it as well just for fun

[flint sentinel]

Okay

[red harbor]

Maybe

[pliant aurora]

I was first so I get a pass

[lusty sierra]

hmm maybe someone else should forward it i'm not sure yet

[silent oak]

ts actually made me laugh ty chat

[pulsar beacon]

the strain in NS2 is not the one from 4546B idk why people think that

[dull finch]

I thought BZ left things pretty clear

[flint sentinel]

Cuz like it genuinely cruds me to tears that there have been people here arguing that "uhh Alterra acshullay kept a secwet stash in case mwehe"

[warm lion]

they dont know natural selection stuff, i barely know about it

[swift kraken]

This would probably do it

[pulsar beacon]

i have never played the game
but i have collected vast knowledge from actually reading stuff

[flint sentinel]

I love the wiki!!!

[dull finch]

CORY

[flint sentinel]

[pulsar beacon]

are Cory Strader and Tom jubert even writers anymore?

[gaunt pasture]

well they hadn’t planned this far ahead at the time

[dull finch]

It's them versus the more recent information

[gaunt pasture]

Cody Strader never was a writer and no Tom Jubert is not

[swift kraken]

Cory Strader is the art director still I think? Or something art related with a cool title

[dull finch]

Cory get back to concept art please...

[pliant aurora]

visual developement lead

[swift kraken]

Yeah that's why I think SN2 is probably a more definitive source of up to date canon

[wise junco]

cory does lead the concept art efforts

[flint sentinel]

Seth retconning the old story decisions so that things that were decidded by a handful of silly indie devs that just wanted a cool series of games can actually make sense for a larger audience... Wow!!!

[flint sentinel]

Cory my beloved

[pulsar beacon]

Seth saved us from a horrible plot hole
everyone say thank you seth

[dull finch]

Aware, when can I harass him for uncolored concept arts?

[swift kraken]

I don't think Cory has been seen in these parts since 2020

[pliant aurora]

I KNOW I strader was at the start of the tadpole vlog, I have the video open but IT WON'T LOAD

[pulsar beacon]

no one will believe you

[dull finch]

He was

[flint sentinel]

Thank you General Battuta

[flint sentinel]

He has been in the devlogs ys

[dull finch]

Seth filled the plot hole
Is he a city worker

[swift kraken]

He filled the plot hole so obviously not

[warm lion]

lol

[pulsar beacon]

lol

[dull finch]

Thank you for not being a city worker seth

[pliant aurora]

visual dev lead

[flint sentinel]

My man

[dull finch]

Can we hire his printer

[pulsar beacon]

who the hell puts a printer on a shelf like that

[dull finch]

Actually do we have to pay his printer?

[flint sentinel]

What page is this on the wiki? Just in case we need to add an additional note to state that this had since been retconned

[dull finch]

What's the going rate for it's like of work?

[swift kraken]

NS2 and SN1 get the excuse of not having thought out things because they weren't expecting to be this big franchise... BZ gets the excuse of having 7 writers and 12 stories... SN2 gets the excuse that uhhh writers are human and deserve respect, that probably makes sense

[swift kraken]

The Kharaa page

[pastel moth]

that might be his official title but i'm sure he wears lots of hats, especially for someone who has been around for so long

[dull finch]

@pastel moth hey do we have to pay his printer

[wise junco]

SN2 the story goes through revisions all the time

we're not a finished game

[flint sentinel]

If I could chose a topic for an upcoming devlog that I reckon we'd never get...

Just one entirely dedicated to concept art.

[swift kraken]

SN2 gets the excuse of having 1 million story revisions

[pulsar beacon]

cant believe SN2 isnt a finished game
i think we should riot

[quartz lake]

I want to see some sub 2 concept art

[wise junco]

sometimes i just got to seth and say "this thing you want to do, what if we did this other thing istnead"

[dull finch]

You sure?
Because a bunch of guys sound like finished games stacked on top of eachother in a trench coat

[flint sentinel]

The SN2 concept art section on the wiki is as barren as Zezura.

[wise junco]

and then we talk it out, and the story adjusts

[green island]

Alterra is gone, Al-An is Al-dead, Mongolians are donsky, they're all finito

[dull finch]

I'm losing my mind

[flint sentinel]

:B

[dull finch]

WHAT

[quartz lake]

There’s got to be waterslug concept art

[swift kraken]

You have to admit the space elevator collapsing and wrapping around the planet would have been cool though

[pulsar beacon]

you make seth sound like an oracle

[wise junco]

i am not sure what you're talking about

[dull finch]

Sonic Colors

[wise junco]

did we plan to have a space elevator at some point?

i really dont remember anymore

[dull finch]

That's sonic colors

[pliant aurora]

you did

[flint sentinel]

Ive tried expanding it with the random snippets we've gotten via devlogs, but it's still pretty empty

[swift kraken]

Seth said so a few days ago I think, whether or not that idea ever made it out of his brain who’s to say

[wise junco]

AH

[flint sentinel]

A WHAT

[wise junco]

yeah, probably mostly just in his head

[warm lion]

a very early thought that it might be cool

[wise junco]

i've pitched him on several such things

[quartz lake]

Nobody put this one on the wiki

[flint sentinel]

It's not clear enough

[pliant aurora]

and there's no telling WHAT that's concept art for, imo

[flint sentinel]

Also we don't know if that's SN1, BZ, or SN2

[swift kraken]

This is seemingly old SN1 concept art that was randomly dropped for the DITL intro lol

[dull finch]

Yeah

[pulsar beacon]

half the concept art was for nothing
its concept art after all

[dull finch]

Dtil uses S1 arts

[wise junco]

we do a lot of concept art and mood art that doesn't end up being anything in the game

[flint sentinel]

Half of it just feels like a really talented artist was told "alien ocean" and then they cooked

[dull finch]

Show us

[swift kraken]

Feed it to us… eventually

[pulsar beacon]

the people demand concept art

[flint sentinel]

I'm super intruiged to see high res concept art for SN2... they'd make for dope wallpapers

[warm lion]

the concept art of sn2 would be spoilers

[swift kraken]

I had BZ concept art as my wallpaper for a good while

[pulsar beacon]

i mean not really
unless you know which concept art is being used

[flint sentinel]

Like I'm genuinely so frustrated that it's all like super under wraps. Poor Alex hasnt even been able to post a dang thing :'(

[flint sentinel]

Depends what concepts are being arted

[pulsar beacon]

you really cant do much with concept art if you dont have the other half
which that being the actual game

[dull finch]

You can

[warm lion]

i would rather be suprised of what a biome will look like in game

[flint sentinel]

My beloved,,,

[pulsar beacon]

what would you do with concept art buddy?

[flint sentinel]

Alex Ries is so talented

[dull finch]

Look at it

[pulsar beacon]

dang thats a good point

[flint sentinel]

Wallpaper

[brittle cloak]

looks like that cat thing from the avatar movies but in water

[quartz lake]

There’s like 3 biome art for sub 2 and 2 of them are caves

[warm lion]

also the blurred leviathan is concept art, which is blurred to not spoil us

[dull finch]

Where are these from bruh

[wise junco]

ill provide you a snippet

of a concept

[quartz lake]

The third one looks like an early version of the purple vine area

[pastel moth]

there were a ton of leviathan concepts in the collector vlog

[pulsar beacon]

the blurred leviathan is also in a position that you know its intended to be used
thats what makes it a spoiler

[flint sentinel]

Jelli Plateaus, yeah

[deft plover]

Are the first 3 pics ai

[dull finch]

Plea

[flint sentinel]

[quartz lake]

Whatever it’s called

[pulsar beacon]

i imagine their 3D renders

[flint sentinel]

Most certainly not, they're 3D renders or just really well ldrawn

[pliant aurora]

concept! concept! concept!

[warm lion]

i hope they add the suit hangers

[dull finch]

I lowk just be conceptualising

[west depot]

I am SO excited for subnautica 2 bro

[deft plover]

Oh okay, I thought they were real pics at first

[pulsar beacon]

arent the suits grafted to our skin?

[deft plover]

I hope the game releases soon 😄

[dull finch]

Nnnno

[warm lion]

what

[green island]

reminds me of a certain SCP

[flint sentinel]

I believe it's confirmed name is Jelli Plateaus. Jelli is the name of the dangling vines,

[swift kraken]

I am a big fan of all 3 biome concepts we’ve seen for SN2

[dull finch]

The all environmental protection suits are skin tight because they wouldn't work if they're not

[flint sentinel]

No?-

[lusty sierra]

jelly leis, rather

[quartz lake]

Would be funny if the snippet is just the blue ocean in the background of a creature art

[pulsar beacon]

man it would be a shame if the nibbler mangos hid in the grass

[red harbor]

This one is actually incredible

[wise junco]

I will not share the full image cause spoilers, but this is a piece of my favorite concept we've ever done

[dull finch]

Vroom

[lusty sierra]

oh woah

[swift kraken]

I can tell the aura here is insane…

[pastel moth]

huh

[flint sentinel]

Agreed, and we weren't even meant to see it XD

It was somehow hidden in the files of the steam page assets, I pluched it out before it got removed

[dull finch]

From the size of the tadpole here I'm going to guess it's a big landscape shot showing off an environment
There's some bubbling plants right there but it could also be showing off the crashed ship or a wreck

[warm lion]

oh its the tadpole

[pliant aurora]

suit shmuit, take this while I look for stuff

[pulsar beacon]

this looks like a firepit im not gonna lie

[flint sentinel]

Where even is this

Sunset maybe? Or some deep biome with an orange glow....

[fervent aurora]

What if it’s the main cicada wreck

[dull finch]

Yeah that's what I meant

[heady tulip]

Dude fr…….. that fire brazier says it all

[pulsar beacon]

it uh kinda reminds me of the containment facility in SN1 or what ever it was called

[pliant aurora]

lei, but jelly or jelli?

[drifting crag]

underwater brazier is crazy but crazy is sometimes what you want

[heady tulip]

It looks like a castle in the background

[flint sentinel]

Like all of the sn2 concept art we've seen goes so hard, its why I crave more

[pulsar beacon]

and we already know there are ruins on the planet so it could be related to that

[lusty sierra]

the stuff in the background kinda reminds me of the terrain in this image

[red harbor]

It almost looks better than the actual game to me, but not by very much.

The actual game still looks amazing

[pliant aurora]

why is it transparent in discord 😭

[dull finch]

I think the most important question to me right now is are we gonna get this game soundtrack on vinyl

[heady tulip]

Will the full image be released after the area is in the game?

[flint sentinel]

Visual Art will always look better than a video game running In real time.

[pulsar beacon]

because its projected onto your screen
duh

[warm lion]

semitransparent black and white image i have never seen

[wise junco]

that area from the image is in the game. But the lighting ended up feeling very different by the time we finished

[flint sentinel]

You mean from the concept art you teased? :0

[quartz lake]

That is not a nibbler mango

[heady tulip]

In a good way I’d assume?

[wise junco]

For fun, here's a piece of unused tech we had in the game for reasons and then removed. As a fun exercise, chat, what do you think these were for and should do?

[warm lion]

looks like a regular ol shark

[wise junco]

And yes, the lighting changed for good reasons for mood

[ocean night]

No

[green island]

BZ stuff? sry for the ping lmao

[flint sentinel]

Holy crud you are FEEDING us

[drifting crag]

The top of it looks like an alarm

[wise junco]

no, that was a model we made for SN2.

[red harbor]

Attract leviathans

[ocean night]

Just a Seth fantasy

[flint sentinel]

I'm curious if it's meant to be a deep biome or no...

[lusty sierra]

⁉️
some sort of repellant device?

[heady tulip]

Vesper?

[brittle cloak]

mining drills?

[wise junco]

interesting to hear the ideas

[swift kraken]

It’s giving off repellant device vibes

[pulsar beacon]

the lack of drillbit says otherwise

[heady tulip]

Probably power

[drifting crag]

Two cell signal transmitter looking boxes, one box that looks like it might have a display on the other side

[lusty sierra]

hivemind

[brittle cloak]

could be hidden behind the leg

[pulsar beacon]

maybe?

[flint sentinel]

Looks to be some kind of Exterior Facility.

Perhaps a siren or sonar device?

[red harbor]

Outdoor music making machine, that may occasionally annoy the local fauna

[pliant aurora]

the legs look weird. seismic sensor?

[heady tulip]

Looks similar to those three legged structures in the building dev log

[wise junco]

Real time ideation is fun.

[green island]

looks designed for indoor use maybe

[flint sentinel]

I feel if an exterior facility needs repairs there must be some way for it to get damaged...

[pulsar beacon]

that thing is pretty big for indoor use

[heady tulip]

Or maybe some form of comms station?

[green island]

it has fire in it

[drifting crag]

The alarm part is only open when it's broken, but it has a giant ring of red lights on it which is probably used somewhere in its function even when it isn't broken

[flint sentinel]

The question is by creatures or by wear and tear

[pulsar beacon]

weird doodads

[heady tulip]

Mmmm advance gene/DNA storage?

[lusty sierra]

the entire thing is a weird doodad i feel

[flint sentinel]

Ignoring the big scrapped machinary, I'm loving this lil guy.

He jsut standing there.

[heady tulip]

Why would it need an alarm tho……

[warm lion]

can anyone make this out

[pulsar beacon]

i believe it says hydrostatic

[flint sentinel]

Sorry for the ping Anthony, shoot my bad!!!!

[wise karma]

hydrostatic sensor

[pliant aurora]

I WANT to say

senses creature
flashes light
gets damaged, but not destroyed
keeps flashing, but detiorated
this just seems too simple, yknow?
--
especially with these ^ it could be they are sensors

[ocean night]

This hasn’t been contradicted at all

[wise junco]

dont worry about what it says. I'm just curious what you think it would do

[drifting crag]

It stands tall and it's on a tripod for stability, I would guess signal of some kind because of how much the rectangles on either end look like a cell tower

[pliant aurora]

distraction, simply put

[wise junco]

it's usedful because for now it's a dead feature. But the model is cool, so ive been thinking about ways to use it again

[pulsar beacon]

thats not a tripod

[green island]

thumper to attract leviathans

[quartz lake]

It alerts devs to the chat

[flint sentinel]

My bet is on creature defence system, and since creature attacks aren't implemented there's no point for this to be in game

[lusty sierra]

something to inhibit the spread of bloom maybe? or something to repel aggressive creatures?

[drifting crag]

There may be a fourth perfectly obscured

[dull finch]

A hydrostatic sensor?

[pulsar beacon]

there is def a forth because the way the legs are a tripod would make it insanely unstable

[flint sentinel]

Oh dang

[heady tulip]

I was thinking that too actually, just a big thumper

[slate zephyr]

Is the text at the base of the machine lorem ipsum or real words?

[pulsar beacon]

the design doesnt really support a thumper

[warm lion]

here it is again so less scrolling

[swift kraken]

I think it’s just easy to read what is written on the wiki as a direct link from SN Kharaa -> NS2 Kharaa when it’s probably more like Precursor Kharaa -> SN/NS2 strains of Kharaa

[flint sentinel]

I was thinking the things ontop emit some kj of frequency, they look a little bit like speakers.

[pulsar beacon]

not enough room for anything to pound downards

[dull finch]

Motion sensor
Creature decoy
Radio tower

Imagine a section where the motion sensors alert a Leviathan

[green island]

A spawnpoint

[flint sentinel]

Now the real question is

Anthony

Will you actually confirm if we get it right

[pulsar beacon]

no room for that

[dull finch]

And the sensors were built by other survivors?

[wise junco]

alright, this was helpful. At this point the text doesn't matter because that's easy to change. We had various proposals for it internally and ended up removing it anyways for now

[swift kraken]

If the alleged roaming creature is a thing perhaps it’d be a good warning system for telling you where it is or isn’t

[lusty sierra]

the biobeds are spawnpoints

[pliant aurora]

the "modules" or whatever on the side make me think antenna

[flint sentinel]

Lmao it's actually just a 6G wifi tower

[warm lion]

so it was just a neat machine thingy without a purpose?

[lusty sierra]

thanks for the food anthony

[dull finch]

Poll
Will I go bald before Subnautica 2

[quartz lake]

Yes

[flint sentinel]

It was for a feature that's since been scrapped

[pliant aurora]

but I don't think antennas would look like that in subnautica
they are too.. openable for wiring??

[wise karma]

"for now" 👀

[pulsar beacon]

oooh if the camera drones make a comeback could be like an extender

[pliant aurora]

I mean he did just directly say he's thinking of ways to reuse the cool model

[flint sentinel]

Alr time to add what we've seen here today to the wiki

[drifting crag]

I am probably most curious about why the entire upper bulb section is a red light, feels like a lot of space to dedicate to a light making it probably useful

[pulsar beacon]

the evil fandom wiki?

[wise junco]

yeah, we had a reason for making it, but in effect the reason ended up being kind of lame and ultimately got pulled

[flint sentinel]

Thank you Anthony for your valuable stuffs

[wise junco]

but the asset exists, so sometimes it's worth ideating on what we could make it do

[warm lion]

why dont you have the orange wiki keeper role

[flint sentinel]

You're not gonna tell us the reason are you

[green island]

if we're gonna be mining more an area denial structure would be useful

[dull finch]

Meh

[pulsar beacon]

it looks like a glorified cell tower as sanchu pointed out

[flint sentinel]

Idk. They don't like me 😭

Nah, it's cuz I doon't have enough contributions yet.

Fun fact, I did create the SN2 wiki page. Check for yourself, I'm the first contributor.

[drifting crag]

Free asset if you don't count that it's already been paid for

[slate zephyr]

🤫

[dull finch]

I don't know I feel like a bit of a waste

[green island]

A beacon that allows us to trade funko pops with the collector

[swift kraken]

All this talk of reusing assets got me thinking of when they were thinking of ways to use the awesome Terraformer model and I suggested it as a handheld electric deterrent system thing for BZ

[dull finch]

If the collector collects funkos it's on sight

[flint sentinel]

Wait Anthony!! Would you be able to tell us any artist names for these concept arts??

I'd really like to credit people on the wiki it feels rude leaving them as anonymous

[pulsar beacon]

They will never reuse the terraformer

[wise junco]

we wouild have to remodel it

all those assets from the old game are lower poly counts than our fidelity would call for

[flint sentinel]

"From the old game"? Like, an older version of SN2?

[slate zephyr]

I hope the terraformer gets cut again. To keep the tradition going

[swift kraken]

I know, it was a suggestion for BZ not SN2. SN2 has the hand held deterrent system thing we’ve seen

[wise junco]

no, the terraformer from SN1

[atomic sapphire]

downsize it a little and make it a beacon / light source that turns on when the base its built on runs out of power

[wise junco]

we did use SN1/BZ models as palcedholers at some point, but then had to remove all that stuff

[slate zephyr]

I swear it was also in BZ 🤔

[pulsar beacon]

They always add the terraformer mechanics into the game but always remove it due to the hatred for terraforming

[dull finch]

Add it then cut it
Tradition

[pastel moth]

yeah my guess would be a drill of some sort, if you left it out on an ore maybe it could get destroyed

[wise junco]

we never had terraforming

[swift kraken]

BZ never had terraforming

[drifting crag]

I think the only thing that was cut from both sn1 and bz was gene editing, and hopefully that's not being cut this time since it's already in

[wise junco]

we learned the lesson

[pulsar beacon]

well you better add terraforming so you can cut it

[dull finch]

True

[wise junco]

not right for a game where you want to go deeper and use the depth as a way to guide the player to specific parts of the progression

[dull finch]

Could add a sort of bedrock every 100m

[drifting crag]

also I remember from a really old conversation that there's no voxel terrain, so the terraformer would be difficult to make work technically

[wise junco]

also that

[swift kraken]

I hope you use the depth to guide the player to specific parts of progression using awesome trenches and less caves

[dull finch]

Well gang we did it
We cut terraforming before it was even added

[green island]

more giant coral tubes please

[wise junco]

caves are useful, however, because they put a real oxygen constraint on you that open trenches do not

[swift kraken]

I think we’re allowed one giant coral tube

[quartz lake]

We need a halfmoon leviathan called the full moon

[wise junco]

if you can just go right up with an air bladder

[drifting crag]

I think for it to count we would need to convince them to consider it for one second

[dull finch]

Seacave mmm

[swift kraken]

Well the air bladder had its limits

[warm lion]

two air bladders

[swift kraken]

Dang…

[lusty sierra]

five hundred air bladders

[warm lion]

fr you can use multiple air bladders you get to the surface SO FAST

[swift kraken]

Another victory for Big Cave

[drifting crag]

Not having voxel terrain for a game with such a depth-based map still interests me, but having now seen mesh blend I can envision the game being made from a lot of individual rocks

[green island]

Valheim underwater when

[swift kraken]

Well, no

[wise junco]

that is indeed how much of the environment gets made sometimes

rocks formed into walls

walls formed into ceilings

[swift kraken]

SN1 had surprisingly few rocks

[somber basin]

the devs should add a tiny dancing guy in the lifepod for observant players to notice and cherish

[drifting crag]

Honestly it might be like the professional version of the aesthetic when a game has a map editor that lets you place assets but not ground, so people make big structures entirely of the flattest rock

[raw vault]

well what do ceilings form into? the cycle cant end here

[hard bane]

Agreed

[swift kraken]

Ceilings formed into oxygen deprivation

[hard bane]

Agreed!

[somber basin]

thank you

[slate zephyr]

I haven’t seen the devlogs but will there be a staircase module akin to the cut BZ stair base module? (I might be hallucinating but I swear there was a cut staircase module)

[swift kraken]

Go watch the dev log and come back and your question shall be answered

[slate zephyr]

[flint sentinel]

I've been assuming this but... The waters lug won't give oxygen when consumed raw right?

[wise karma]

doubt it tbh

[flint sentinel]

Like the bladder fish gave the player a little bit of oxygen when eaten raw, but the waterslug probs,y won't do that right,

[hard bane]

Just like bladderfish? Idk

[wise junco]

no, they do not

[flint sentinel]

Thanks

[warm lion]

which is interesting cause isnt the bladder filled with water

[flint sentinel]

Don't think about it lmao

[warm lion]

head empty

[hard bane]

Ikr

[green island]

or air/gas

[somber basin]

The bladder is filled with increasingly smaller bladders infinitely

[flint sentinel]

I've always found the bladderfish giving oxygen was just a round about excuse for it to be used in the recipe for the air bladder

[hard bane]

Originally his name was airsack

[warm lion]

but we make water bottles out of them

[flint sentinel]

I have a lil bladderfish

[green island]

Originally he was supposed to make us sound like we inhaled helium

[deft cipher]

Dont know if its a leviathan but a ton of teasers have shown a massive variant of the halfmoon iirc

[drifting crag]

Steve

[wise junco]

steve is probably as big as we'll make those for now

[flint sentinel]

My boy

[drifting crag]

Pretty much canon accurate hold position

[flint sentinel]

Hold by the neck

[warm lion]

[flint sentinel]

I love how we hold the waterslug like it's a football

[drifting crag]

Steve (Waxmoon) is a very good sized halfmoon, bigger than that would be a bit insane

[wise junco]

for many months steve was just a scaled up halfmooon

[flint sentinel]

A-

To whoever said "like a water bottle" I was gonna response by saying "Pop it's head off like the cap of a bottle"

[brittle cloak]

can we get a banana next to steve for scale?

[flint sentinel]

I recall hehehe

[drifting crag]

He looks much cooler now than when he was hidden in the background of a dev log as a big normal one

[green island]

I did but thought you meant something else

[warm lion]

i edited for you

[deft cipher]

Honestly the different moon fish guys are probably one of the things Im the most excited about in SN2, its always sorta bugged me how uniform all the fish were in SN1 compared to how things typically play out in real ecosystems

[flint sentinel]

Where's that one picture with the giant half-moon

[drifting crag]

tracked one down

[dense dragon]

Do we have a release date for SN2

[deft cipher]

There's a lot of speculation but nothing's been officially confirmed

[drifting crag]

No, but soon, more info in the pins

[flint sentinel]

Where was this from anyways? Background of a trailer?

[ocean night]

I resent the special model for the waxmoon because I want to use scaled up models all over and a new model is the expensive version of that!

That said it looks good

[drifting crag]

It was one of the dev logs, don't remember which

[drifting crag]

Consider: he's a special boy

[deft cipher]

The scaled up halfmoon was from the first gameplay trailer iirc

[drifting crag]

ah

[ocean night]

I bet we could do slight size randomization on most models without causing TOO many horrible bugs*

*this is why you don’t gamble kids

[swift kraken]

I think SN1 had size randomization on some things like small fish?

[flint sentinel]

Bwahahaa

[flint sentinel]

I don't recall..

Give every fish a baby variant mwahahaha

[heady tulip]

Random sizes…..please? Atleast on the smaller fishes you pick up and eat. Maybe big versions you can’t eat tho

[drifting crag]

surely it can't be that bad (hitboxes and any other boxes must also be scaled, scale must never change after being loaded, no textures can be scale dependent)

[red harbor]

I hope there are larval forms of some fauna

[heady tulip]

Please 🙏🏻 🥺

[flint sentinel]

Can we hold the waxmoon

[quartz lake]

Imagine a bug that makes everything leviathan sized

[green island]

Big fish have smaller fish accompanying it gnerally

[pliant aurora]

steve and his family

[green island]

cause big fish is scary to predators

[main plover]

I have amazing news about a bug we had recently

[swift kraken]

🤷‍♂️ I just feel like remembering some fish were particularly small when compared to others

[flint sentinel]

Now you're reminding me of that one time Aci used the size mod to make a rockgrub that could devour the aurora in one bite.

[flint sentinel]

Omg

Do tell