Death Guard 2.0 - Theorycrafting | HH: Age of Darkness | Page 2

austere siren Jun 22, 2022, 7:40 AM

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I straight up have a unit of denurgled 40k deathshroud that i use in 30k so its no problem for me

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I just apologise to my opponents about the modelled cataphractii

buoyant crystal Jun 22, 2022, 7:56 AM

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After recommendations from yesterday I went with the red trim. I had like 30 minutes yesterday to paint it and apply the transfer so job's a bit sloppy and I'll do some touch-ups after work today, primarily on the red and to blend the transfer in more with the actual banner. Overall really happy with the look and how I somehow managed to both cut the transfer to size and apply it over such an uneven surface. Thanks for the suggestion on the red trim @rapid compass

austere siren Jun 22, 2022, 8:29 AM

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Nice, very classy

void gazelle Jun 22, 2022, 8:52 AM

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Iirc 40k Deathshroud are huge even compared to standard Terminators, where as the 30k models are on the smaller size.

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But if it's a proxy for a couple of games it's probably not going to be a problem if they're already fine with you using the 40k models.

rapid compass Jun 22, 2022, 12:46 PM

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buoyant crystal After recommendations from yesterday I went with the red trim. I had like 30 min...

Eyyy looks great. Really pops but keeps the right aesthetic imo

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@buoyant crystal did I imagine it or did you have a game yesterday trying some stuff?

buoyant crystal Jun 22, 2022, 12:47 PM

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I did have a game.

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You spying on me?

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hmmmmmmm

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But yea, I tested some stuff, including Leviathan, Spartan and Deathshrouds

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Deahtshrouds didn't get to do anything lol

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Played against IF, he brought Dorn, Fafnir, Cata Praetor, Chaplain, 10 Tartaros, 5 Catas, 2 Contemptors, 3x20 Tacs, 10x Heavy Bolters and 10x Missile Launchers. Roughly.

For those who might have doubted Plasma Cannons, I can say my faith in them was well placed. Each turn they managed to effectively wipe 20 Tacticals. Absolute beasts

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Deathshrouds got blocked by the two Contemptors, so had to take a detour around

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which was fine, they stood on objectives all game

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Leviathan with Phoshex, yes please. Loving that weapon

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I can see myself taking 3 of those

timid hollow Jun 22, 2022, 12:52 PM

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buoyant crystal Played against IF, he brought Dorn, Fafnir, Cata Praetor, Chaplain, 10 Tartaros,...

As in Plasma on HSS?

buoyant crystal Jun 22, 2022, 12:52 PM

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Yes

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just 5 is fine

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Quick snap I took after having deployed

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Didn't get more pictures as my opponent plays super slow, so had to keep the game at a steady pace

rapid compass Jun 22, 2022, 1:47 PM

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@buoyant crystal ace news about the plasmas dude. Also, how are you arming your leviathan?

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If I take a 10 man lascannon squad, 2x whirlwinds, and a leviathan for my HS choices as a creeping death player, how should I arm the levi? I'm thinking grav and phosphex? I'm also taking 2 contemptors ... with kheres I think. Bit torn between rending dakka or another blast via a plasma cannon?

2x laser rapier in elites slot too

buoyant crystal Jun 22, 2022, 1:48 PM

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I used Storm, Claw, Phosphex and Alchem flamers. Will probably switch Storm to Melta but it worked fine

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I'm not sold on Grav tbh

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I've read into it and unless I've missed something it is just AP 4?

rapid compass Jun 22, 2022, 1:50 PM

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Is it not AP2? And forces strength tests on 2d6?

buoyant crystal Jun 22, 2022, 1:50 PM

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AP4 in the book iirc

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OMW home, can check then

rapid compass Jun 22, 2022, 1:51 PM

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I'm.going by P3 so I may be wrong

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I also need to check if whirlwinds kept S8 large blast 4+ rending if stationary

buoyant crystal Jun 22, 2022, 1:53 PM

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They did, with Pinning on top

rapid compass Jun 22, 2022, 1:54 PM

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Oh wow, music to my ears

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That'll flatten 20 marines a turn lol

buoyant crystal Jun 22, 2022, 1:55 PM

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Just in case I'll check that as well lol

rapid compass Jun 22, 2022, 1:57 PM

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That'd be great, cheers man!

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I need to get the book so I can put an accurate points cost together

buoyant crystal Jun 22, 2022, 2:05 PM

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@rapid compass Scorpius is indeed S8 AP4 5" Barrage with Rending 4+ and Pinning when stationary

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Grav weapons are all AP4

rapid compass Jun 22, 2022, 2:08 PM

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Brill, cheers man

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I think I'm leaning towards melta on the levi

buoyant crystal Jun 22, 2022, 2:09 PM

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Yea same

rapid compass Jun 22, 2022, 2:12 PM

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Grav is let down by that AP and it's anti AV rules are no where near as good as you'd think

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Storm cannon I think doesn't do anything too spectacular

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What's the melta guns profile?

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The cyclonic lance or whatever it's called

buoyant crystal Jun 22, 2022, 2:18 PM

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18" melta with 4 shots

rapid compass Jun 22, 2022, 2:51 PM

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Oof that's crazy

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With a lotta luck that's 4 dead terminators or 4 wounds on a contemptor

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Does the armourbane melta rule reroll wounds on dreads or is that just armourbane?.

buoyant crystal Jun 22, 2022, 2:52 PM

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It's the same as armourbane just at half range

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so you get re-rolls

rapid compass Jun 22, 2022, 2:57 PM

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Good Christ. Leviathans are contemptor killers

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And vehicle killers obviously

wild pelican Jun 22, 2022, 5:59 PM

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austere siren I straight up have a unit of denurgled 40k deathshroud that i use in 30k so its ...

Got any pictures? I was thinking of doing the same, but not sure how much effort it’ll take to de-Nurgle them

austere siren Jun 22, 2022, 6:01 PM

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Some other denurgled 40k models

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When i say 'de-nurgled' i removed tentacled and distended armour maws. I've kept battle damage, the odd horn and whatnot

wild pelican Jun 22, 2022, 6:03 PM

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Those look pretty good

calm pawn Jun 22, 2022, 6:28 PM

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Looks good

last saffron Jun 22, 2022, 6:32 PM

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Working on building a base for Morty after I lost the bit he stands on

unique thicket Jun 22, 2022, 6:47 PM

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Aye, that's the concern - not enough heavy slots

shrewd stone Jun 22, 2022, 7:08 PM

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austere siren

Got any images of them next to the FW DSTs?

distant karma Jun 22, 2022, 7:10 PM

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So for some uniqueness, I think I'm gonna put some speeders in a Creeping death list for some zippy anti tank perhaps. Proteus or Javelin?

buoyant crystal Jun 22, 2022, 7:12 PM

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Jav for sure

distant karma Jun 22, 2022, 7:13 PM

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I was looking at Las/MM Javs, but grav/MM Proteuses looked neat, if not a bit ramshackle

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I'm loving the image of a couple speeders screaming out of the mist ahead of a deliberate infantry advance

unique thicket Jun 22, 2022, 7:42 PM

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For the above comments on Grav / Graviton, wasn't it all about the Haywire ?

unique thicket Jun 22, 2022, 7:43 PM

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austere siren When i say 'de-nurgled' i removed tentacled and distended armour maws. I've kept...

that's de-tneetsching them - or however it's spelt

buoyant crystal Jun 22, 2022, 7:44 PM

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unique thicket For the above comments on Grav / Graviton, wasn't it all about the Haywire ?

It was specifically for the Levi and his weapon doesn't have Haywire

unique thicket Jun 22, 2022, 7:50 PM

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shoul

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oops sorry mistype :)

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Oh the Grav Flux.. yeah diff weapon

austere siren Jun 22, 2022, 8:49 PM

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shrewd stone Got any images of them next to the FW DSTs?

no but i can do em next to normal cataphractii if that would be okay

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i'm not sure how the resin Deathshroud compare to the plastic Cataphractii

distant karma Jun 23, 2022, 3:00 AM

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Trying to get somewhere in this overwhelming listbuilding process by listing what I'm required to or bare minimum want to play in a Creeping Death List.

austere siren Jun 23, 2022, 7:47 AM

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Good start

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What is the final total you're after? 3k?

distant karma Jun 23, 2022, 11:59 AM

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3k

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Which I wouldn't be surprised if this hits 2k after upgrades

buoyant crystal Jun 23, 2022, 12:04 PM

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It'll be close for sure

distant karma Jun 23, 2022, 12:07 PM

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Not sure how to fill gaps. As I see it-

I'd like to go up to 10 Grave wardens or otherwise fill that Spartan

Need some more footsloggers, tacs, HSS, TSS, you name it

Probably need something to distract from the Spartan or present a viable enough threat to split fire

Apothecaries?

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Oh and even though the siege breaker is required, he seems to be puttering around without much to give Sunder to

buoyant crystal Jun 23, 2022, 12:09 PM

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You can take a unit of HSS with ML and give those Sunder

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Else it's fine just running him with the Wardens so he can get close enough to throw his Phosphex Bombs

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Them having Sunder also isn't a bad call if there aren't any good targets for their flamers. That way they can take out AV12 or lower more reliably

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I'd say you should totally go for 2x20 Tacticals at the very least

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Each with an Apothecary

distant karma Jun 23, 2022, 12:15 PM

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That's a good start. I'll see what that shakes out to. Contemptor loadouts recommendations?

buoyant crystal Jun 23, 2022, 12:16 PM

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Melta cannon and either inbuilt meltagun or alchem flamer (because alchem is cool)

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Assault Cannon is also not too bad at picking wounds off opposing Dreads

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But it's 3x the price of the melta

distant karma Jun 23, 2022, 12:18 PM

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I get a bit concerned at DG's ability to get a dread into melee with the LR

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But that's discounting them coming to me

rapid compass Jun 23, 2022, 12:38 PM

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Do graviton rapier thingies still toss out 5 inch blasts?

buoyant crystal Jun 23, 2022, 12:39 PM

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yes

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36" range

rapid compass Jun 23, 2022, 1:01 PM

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Glorious. I like the idea of even more dangerous terrain on the board

distant karma Jun 23, 2022, 1:04 PM

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So autocannons look better than they were previously,but are they good enough to be worth taking? Like Rotor Cannons and MLs got a glow up

austere siren Jun 23, 2022, 1:11 PM

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not in an astartes meta

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if everyone is running cults and demons and ad mech, they get better

distant karma Jun 23, 2022, 1:15 PM

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It is good to see MLs be useful these days

calm pawn Jun 23, 2022, 3:28 PM

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Agreed

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I do wish the frag part still got boosted to Str 5 by Creeping Death, but alas

rapid compass Jun 23, 2022, 4:25 PM

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I keep hearing conflicting info on MLs lol. I keep getting sold one way then the other

calm pawn Jun 23, 2022, 4:37 PM

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With MLs it depends on what you are using them for

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For the same cost a Volkite Culverin is better against infantry, for the same cost Autocannons do better at light vehicles and dreads, and for 5 points more you can get lascannons or multi meltas which are better against vehicles. MLs gettign Flakk missles for free is nice which means they are going to do best against aircraft

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I feel MLs are fluffy for DG, but they are lacking because everything else is better for a specific role or cheap enough to bring instead without a second thought

last saffron Jun 23, 2022, 5:10 PM

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I'd take ML if lascannons were more expensive

distant karma Jun 23, 2022, 5:36 PM

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Any suggestions for what squad to shove a siege breaker in, if not MLs?

loud pagoda Jun 23, 2022, 5:59 PM

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Dumb question, I modelled my DG sarge with a 2 handed scythe but actually he still has a bolter, correct?

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And not dumb question: decent loadout for 5 terminators? Already have 5 Deathshroud built.

buoyant crystal Jun 23, 2022, 6:08 PM

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He still has a bolter, yes

loud pagoda Jun 23, 2022, 6:09 PM

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I gotta model one on there, whoops!

void gazelle Jun 23, 2022, 6:33 PM

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loud pagoda And not dumb question: decent loadout for 5 terminators? Already have 5 Deathshr...

Power/chainfists for high-toughness hunting maybe?

loud pagoda Jun 23, 2022, 6:52 PM

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Was thinking scythe + 3x combi/power + heavy chem flamer.

spice vortex Jun 23, 2022, 6:54 PM

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buoyant crystal He still has a bolter, yes

Is Powerscythe not 2 handed?

loud pagoda Jun 23, 2022, 7:00 PM

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They come in 2 hand and one hand poses. But look at the rules they don't replace anything.

buoyant crystal Jun 23, 2022, 7:00 PM

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The Serg is just taking a power weapon which gets replaced

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two-handed just means you can't get the bonus attack for 2 melee weapons

spice vortex Jun 23, 2022, 7:08 PM

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Still operating without a rulebook or the Liber hereticus so I’m mostly flying blind on wargear choices. Cheers 👍

buoyant crystal Jun 23, 2022, 7:11 PM

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Np. Got both books right in front of me as well as screencaps of all the special rules, weapons and equipment. I got ya

loud pagoda Jun 24, 2022, 2:34 AM

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Does the cattaphract sprue have a left arm no hand so that I can use the left hand power scythe from the Fw pack?

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Let me know the number if it’s on there i can’t find it

twilit sun Jun 24, 2022, 2:43 AM

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alright boys, what do we think?

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Rite of War - Creeping Death
HQ
Calas Typhon - 200
5x Deathshroud Retinue w/Legion Standard + Toxin Bombs - 375
Siege Breaker - 105
TROOPS
15x Tactical Squad w/Nuncio-Vox - 160
15x Tactical Squad w/Nuncio-Vox - 160
10x Tactical Support Squad w/Alchem Flamers - 145
Dedicated Transport Rhino w/Dozer Blade - 40
10x Tactical Support Squad w/Alchem Flamers - 145
Dedicated Transport Rhino w/Dozer Blade - 40
6x Grave Warden w/Toxin Bombs - 305
6x Grave Warden w/Toxin Bombs - 305
ELITES
Rapier Carrier w/Shatter Shells - 180
Rapier Carrier w/Phosphex Canisters - 180
Rapier Carrier w/Phosphex Canisters - 180
HEAVY SUPPORT
3x Legion Predator w/Magna-melta, 2x lascannon, dozer blades - 480

3000pts

buoyant crystal Jun 24, 2022, 6:40 AM

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loud pagoda Does the cattaphract sprue have a left arm no hand so that I can use the left ha...

Even if it doesn't you can just cut off a hand from any arm

spice vortex Jun 24, 2022, 6:54 AM

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twilit sun Rite of War - Creeping Death HQ Calas Typhon - 200 5x Deathshroud Retinue w...

Pretty close to peak DG fluff/theme wise 👍 Consensus seems to be that quad mortars aren’t great (I still want to use mine, because they’re thematic) but you should chew through power armour at least

buoyant crystal Jun 24, 2022, 7:11 AM

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I love the look of the list. Initial impression is that you'll have trouble with Dreadnoughts but would have to run the math on those Predators

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Why do you have Dozer blades on your Rhinos? The entire army already auto passes Dangerous Terrain tests, so it's a waste of points

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Get 'em out and throw Toxin Bombs on your Tacticals and/or TSSs

austere siren Jun 24, 2022, 8:19 AM

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Does the row not make vehicles immune to dangerous terrain checks?

buoyant crystal Jun 24, 2022, 8:19 AM

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It does

austere siren Jun 24, 2022, 8:19 AM

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Or is it only infantry?

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Same thought same tome

buoyant crystal Jun 24, 2022, 8:19 AM

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All units with Legiones Astartes (DG) ignore dangerous

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(in Creeping Death)

last saffron Jun 24, 2022, 8:20 AM

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twilit sun Rite of War - Creeping Death HQ Calas Typhon - 200 5x Deathshroud Retinue w...

I think you're relying a lot on your predators for anti dread/armour and footsloggging a lot of terminators up

austere siren Jun 24, 2022, 8:20 AM

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Also Typhus is a real dead expensive squad i'd put em in a land raider or a spartan

timid hollow Jun 24, 2022, 9:26 AM

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I'm torn. There's a Heresy weekend event near me in November and I have to make a 3k list for it. Should I bring Mort?

austere siren Jun 24, 2022, 9:30 AM

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If he's allowed in the event rules, maybe

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Some events have a no primarch rule?

timid hollow Jun 24, 2022, 9:31 AM

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LoW and Primarchs allowed

last saffron Jun 24, 2022, 9:35 AM

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Need to make sure you have something capable of killing other primarchs

timid hollow Jun 24, 2022, 9:37 AM

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My Lord there is no such force

spice vortex Jun 24, 2022, 9:37 AM

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3k seems like Primarch territory and you’d be suffering if the other players bring them and you don’t.
Or bring a few squadrons of vindicators and nuke the opposing big cheese right off the table

timid hollow Jun 24, 2022, 9:38 AM

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I thought Vindicators were bad for 2+ stuff now

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Or do mean Laser Destroyers?

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Also I would only be facing loyalist Primarchs

buoyant crystal Jun 24, 2022, 9:48 AM

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timid hollow I thought Vindicators were bad for 2+ stuff now

Brutal allows you to eat through a Primarch

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At least my guess as for why you'd want Vindicators

timid hollow Jun 24, 2022, 9:48 AM

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But AP3 Rending 6+ is a bit of a swing

timid hollow Jun 24, 2022, 10:21 AM

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I know I made a list based on it, but is footslogging Grave Wardens a viable strat?

void gazelle Jun 24, 2022, 10:24 AM

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I've messed with it a couple of times. Issue is the short range of their grenade launchers and no Cataprachtii run. With 10 guys I always ended up losing about 3-5 before they could get stuck in since "blob of Terminators" always drew fire.

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So not much different to dropping them in a Proteus when they finally connected.

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Two squads of 5 might have more luck.

buoyant crystal Jun 24, 2022, 10:26 AM

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Yea, min size squads would be the way to do it

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But I'd probably go with the larger unit and throw them in a Land Raider of some type

timid hollow Jun 24, 2022, 10:30 AM

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Hm ok

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I'm definitely spending ages making lists now that everything has changed, I'm a bit of a perfectionist lol

timid hollow Jun 24, 2022, 10:51 AM

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I've got this so far, Creeping Death, aiming for the 3k I need

buoyant crystal Jun 24, 2022, 10:56 AM

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Could use some anti-Dreadnought 😛
PLASMAGUNS

mystic vigil Jun 24, 2022, 10:58 AM

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timid hollow I'm torn. There's a Heresy weekend event near me in November and I have to make ...

Only one solution. Creeping Death + Eskaton. Maximum war crimes.

buoyant crystal Jun 24, 2022, 11:02 AM

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This is the way

timid hollow Jun 24, 2022, 11:06 AM

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People may want me dead

buoyant crystal Jun 24, 2022, 11:08 AM

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Let them, they'll have to pass dozens of Dangerous Terrain checks to get to you

timid hollow Jun 24, 2022, 11:09 AM

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On a more legit note I'd rather just not have to buy and paint the Dark Angels just for it

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As much as I find the build idea painfully funny

buoyant crystal Jun 24, 2022, 11:12 AM

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A Praetor / Delegatus and 10 Tacticals is technically all you'll need to run it

timid hollow Jun 24, 2022, 11:24 AM

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But in terms of DG units, would a Contemptor or 2 be better anti dreadnought than a plasma squad? More survivable

buoyant crystal Jun 24, 2022, 11:25 AM

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Possibly. Just be ready for the fact that if you charge a Contemptor into another Contemptor, the chances of you both ending up dead isn't as low as one would want

timid hollow Jun 24, 2022, 12:03 PM

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Mortarion seems like he would he very good at killing Contemptors

last saffron Jun 24, 2022, 12:10 PM

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Anything short of AV 14 or other primarchs he's pretty solid against

timid hollow Jun 24, 2022, 12:11 PM

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Maybe I should take him in the 3k to solo jump around and be agressive

last saffron Jun 24, 2022, 12:12 PM

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That's basically what I'm taking him for

timid hollow Jun 24, 2022, 12:13 PM

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Or if the enemy has a real problem Primarch like The Lion or Russ he could lock them down, he wouldn't win but he can tank

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I wouldn't need to pay for the Praetor either

buoyant crystal Jun 24, 2022, 12:37 PM

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List needs another Line unit

timid hollow Jun 24, 2022, 12:42 PM

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I could swap back to 3x15 Tacticals?

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Swapped back to 3x15 Tacticals and added in another apothecary. Removed the lascannon squad and I'm on 2,550

austere siren Jun 24, 2022, 12:50 PM

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are you targeting 2500?

timid hollow Jun 24, 2022, 12:50 PM

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3k

austere siren Jun 24, 2022, 12:50 PM

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gotcha

timid hollow Jun 24, 2022, 12:50 PM

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For an event in November

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Primarchs and LoW allowed as standard

timid hollow Jun 24, 2022, 1:17 PM

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If I could I'd probably just Fellblade it and go ham

last saffron Jun 24, 2022, 2:05 PM

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Could take Praetorian and command squad for more Line

timid hollow Jun 24, 2022, 2:13 PM

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Is 3x15 Tacticals enough line?

austere siren Jun 24, 2022, 2:15 PM

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at 3k? probablllyyyyyy

timid hollow Jun 24, 2022, 2:31 PM

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I've got 450 points left to fill atm

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Which always feels like way more than it actually is haha

mystic vigil Jun 24, 2022, 2:37 PM

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timid hollow But in terms of DG units, would a Contemptor or 2 be better anti dreadnought tha...

Contemptors look so annoying to kill that at this point I'm considering just ignoring them

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Or tarpit them with throwaway stuff

timid hollow Jun 24, 2022, 2:39 PM

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In this list I'll have Mortarion to deal with them

buoyant crystal Jun 24, 2022, 3:23 PM

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timid hollow I've got 450 points left to fill atm

Considered just making it 4x20 Tacs lol

timid hollow Jun 24, 2022, 3:24 PM

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buoyant crystal Considered just making it 4x20 Tacs lol

Definitely considered 3x20 but I'm unsure lol

last saffron Jun 24, 2022, 3:41 PM

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Take the AS off the HSS and give them a MoS instead?

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Chuck in a contemptor to take the heat off Morty and the tanks?

timid hollow Jun 24, 2022, 4:34 PM

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Maybe this?

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That's 3k exactly

last saffron Jun 24, 2022, 4:35 PM

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Can't say no to anything with a Leviathan

timid hollow Jun 24, 2022, 4:37 PM

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And if I wanted to I could swap Morty out and have a Praetor and 270 points to juggle around

austere siren Jun 24, 2022, 4:38 PM

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i think swapping out morty would require a whole ground up rethink tbh

buoyant crystal Jun 24, 2022, 4:41 PM

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Trust me, you'll want a flare shield on that Spartan

rapid compass Jun 24, 2022, 5:21 PM

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Not sure on points but I'm toying with:

Delegatus

20 tactical marines
20 tactical marines

2 apothecaries ^

2 contemptors (unsure on loadout. I think fist variant and gun variant, likely plasma cannon or MM?)

2 laser rapiers

10 lascannon HSS
2 whirlwind scorpius
Leviathan with siege claw and melta

How cheesy is this? What's missing? Anything I have too much of?

twilit sun Jun 24, 2022, 5:46 PM

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Yeah Spartans kinda need one

austere siren Jun 24, 2022, 5:50 PM

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why a delagatus??

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get a praetor! stop stinging

unique thicket Jun 24, 2022, 5:54 PM

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I'm not sure why you'd think that list cheesy? I'm pretty sure there's some mean stuff out there surpasses this list even when utilising the DG bonuses

rapid compass Jun 24, 2022, 5:59 PM

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austere siren get a praetor! stop stinging

It's based on a 1750 list that was using a budget HQ. Tho it's a list I've butchered a lot and am still playing with so it's a bit of a mishmash

rapid compass Jun 24, 2022, 6:00 PM

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unique thicket I'm not sure why you'd think that list cheesy? I'm pretty sure there's some mea...

The heavy support trio and 2 contemptor/leviathan trio?

unique thicket Jun 24, 2022, 6:02 PM

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pretty sure other legions have more potent things

rapid compass Jun 24, 2022, 6:02 PM

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Yeah true

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I need to grab a siege breaker I know, but is it missing anything beyond that?

unique thicket Jun 24, 2022, 6:03 PM

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upgrades on tacts etc?

austere siren Jun 24, 2022, 6:10 PM

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oh you're fine

buoyant crystal Jun 24, 2022, 6:13 PM

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Can Scorpius be run as 3? On phone, no book

rapid compass Jun 24, 2022, 6:14 PM

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unique thicket upgrades on tacts etc?

Sorry, yeah that's with chsinblades, vexillas, augury, artificer armour etc

buoyant crystal Jun 24, 2022, 6:15 PM

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Hopefully also Toxin bombs

rapid compass Jun 24, 2022, 6:15 PM

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Yep 100%

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I was toying with swapping the rapiers for graviton, to throw some more dangerous terrain out

mystic vigil Jun 24, 2022, 6:20 PM

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buoyant crystal Can Scorpius be run as 3? On phone, no book

Yes

calm pawn Jun 24, 2022, 6:22 PM

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I'm on the fence with bayonets. With FotL always being active for our Tacts I don't see myself ever wanting to get into melee with them. Toxin bombs are fine as they are great charge deterrents

austere siren Jun 24, 2022, 6:23 PM

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rapid compass I was toying with swapping the rapiers for graviton, to throw some more dangerou...

much more fun, if you think you have the anti tank

buoyant crystal Jun 24, 2022, 6:42 PM

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mystic vigil Yes

In that case I think it'd be worth considering running a third

last saffron Jun 24, 2022, 6:51 PM

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Finally 'finished'

rapid compass Jun 24, 2022, 7:08 PM

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I just don't feel like my list is very Death Guard... It just seems like decent units?

I guess 20 tac and apothecary is DG.

As is 2 contemptors and the whirlwinds.

How can I make it more "Death Guard "?

buoyant crystal Jun 24, 2022, 7:09 PM

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Terminators

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Wardens or Shrouds

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Or just normal Terminators tbh

rapid compass Jun 24, 2022, 7:12 PM

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In creeping death rite of war do they need transports, or are they ok sat waiting for the enemy to come to them?

calm pawn Jun 24, 2022, 7:13 PM

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rapid compass I just don't feel like my list is very Death Guard... It just seems like decent ...

It really depends on what you feel is Death Guard. I think your list was fine

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Remember, even though he favored infantry tactics Morty made sure his Legion was want for nothing

rapid compass Jun 24, 2022, 7:15 PM

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I think, maybe, it's taking the 10 man las AND the laser rapiers that's bugging me

calm pawn Jun 24, 2022, 7:16 PM

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Swap the HSS las to MM or ML

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Put again, I think your list is fine

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Victory is the final arbiter in war after all

rapid compass Jun 24, 2022, 7:18 PM

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True lol

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I just feel like I'll just delete people's transports turn 1, then they slog up the board being shot with lascannons and plasma cannons, then run into 2 contemptors and a leviathan 😬😬

calm pawn Jun 24, 2022, 7:21 PM

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Sounds like a plan

rapid compass Jun 24, 2022, 7:21 PM

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I need to calculate points on it. If it's north of 2.5k I feel ok.about it

calm pawn Jun 24, 2022, 7:28 PM

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Running as Loyalist or Traitor?

rapid compass Jun 24, 2022, 7:28 PM

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Traitor

calm pawn Jun 24, 2022, 7:29 PM

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Nice. Then I recommend if you have 20 points left stick toxin bombs on either the Apoths or the Tact squads. Less likely for your opponents to charge them without risking marines on top of overwatch

rapid compass Jun 24, 2022, 7:29 PM

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Oh yeah for sure, definitely taking those

buoyant crystal Jun 24, 2022, 7:29 PM

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Running loyalist DG is a nice flavour move but you just miss out on all the fun stuff lol

calm pawn Jun 24, 2022, 7:30 PM

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Mmhmm

buoyant crystal Jun 24, 2022, 7:30 PM

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No Toxin, no Reaping, no Typhon

rapid compass Jun 24, 2022, 7:30 PM

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It's s shame phosphex is a tad naff given the siege breakers tax

calm pawn Jun 24, 2022, 7:30 PM

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Yeah

rapid compass Jun 24, 2022, 7:31 PM

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I think I'll.feel better if I outright swap the laser rapiers to grav rapiers..More thematic and less spammy

calm pawn Jun 24, 2022, 7:31 PM

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That works

distant karma Jun 24, 2022, 7:31 PM

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buoyant crystal No Toxin, no Reaping, no Typhon

You get reaping, but no Creeping

buoyant crystal Jun 24, 2022, 7:32 PM

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Yea, what I meant

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Like same same but different

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Reaping, Creeping

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who keeps track of this stuff

calm pawn Jun 24, 2022, 7:32 PM

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I just don't feel Reaping is worth it at the moment

buoyant crystal Jun 24, 2022, 7:32 PM

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Same

calm pawn Jun 24, 2022, 7:32 PM

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Creeping just enhances our gameplay too much

buoyant crystal Jun 24, 2022, 7:32 PM

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Rad is cute but it doesn't give nearly as much as Creeping

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And no movement based Reactions besides our own is really rough

calm pawn Jun 24, 2022, 7:33 PM

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Mmhmm

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I would only take Reaping for more HSS

rapid compass Jun 24, 2022, 7:36 PM

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Reaping sounds cool initially but falls apart under scrutiny

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Oooh missiles, lascannons, volkite everywhere!

But the points really rack up

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I may have asked this already but do toxin bombs mean a charging enemy has to roll two sets of dice I.e. two tests. One for toxin, one for dangerous terrain ?

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Can someone explain the intricacies of this rite of war? So, enemies are getting screwed over for being in our DZ. Can we list all the examples of when/where/how together?

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Dangerous terrain test on every movement, charge, and pile in I believe? What about consolidation?

buoyant crystal Jun 24, 2022, 7:52 PM

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All types of movement that doesn't specify that they ignore dangerous or difficult (like jump packs). That includes normal moves, charges, pile ins, consolidate, etc.

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And yes, Toxin + Dangerous stacks

rapid compass Jun 24, 2022, 7:57 PM

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Christ

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Bonkers

loud pagoda Jun 24, 2022, 7:57 PM

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Thoughts on Destroyers? With the load out in the box

rapid compass Jun 24, 2022, 7:57 PM

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Grav cannons are enticing to make them spend the whole game making dangerous terrain tests

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So, our DZ is difficult terrain too? What's that do, reduce movement and charge distances?

buoyant crystal Jun 24, 2022, 7:58 PM

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Yes

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It's also Dangerous

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Our entire deployment zone becomes difficult and dangerous

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and gives any model in it a 6+ shrouded save

rapid compass Jun 24, 2022, 7:59 PM

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How much is movement reduced by for enemies?

buoyant crystal Jun 24, 2022, 7:59 PM

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2"

rapid compass Jun 24, 2022, 8:00 PM

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On charges too?

buoyant crystal Jun 24, 2022, 8:00 PM

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Yes

rapid compass Jun 24, 2022, 8:00 PM

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Jesus Christ. Creeping Death is outright filthy isn't it

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I mean. Like, wow

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So, stay huddled in DZ, hammer enemy with artillery, and come out to meet key targets with contemptors and leviathan?

buoyant crystal Jun 24, 2022, 8:02 PM

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Don't need to huddle in your DZ. Work around all the great terrain that is now also difficult and dangerous along with your grav weapons filling out any safe-space with more dangerous and difficult

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You still need to score VP and that will require you to get out on the map with your Line units

loud pagoda Jun 24, 2022, 8:08 PM

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rapid compass So, stay huddled in DZ, hammer enemy with artillery, and come out to meet key ta...

What artillery are you using

rapid compass Jun 24, 2022, 8:09 PM

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Ah sorry..I misinterpreted, I thought artillery was innately barrage but I see it's a specified additional rule

rapid compass Jun 24, 2022, 8:10 PM

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loud pagoda What artillery are you using

Rapiers, lascannon HSS, and whirlwinds

rapid compass Jun 24, 2022, 8:10 PM

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buoyant crystal You still need to score VP and that will require you to get out on the map with ...

I'm concerned as I only have 2 line units 🤔

loud pagoda Jun 24, 2022, 8:11 PM

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Mortar?

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I’m gonna buy one rapier but not sure which is best o start with

rapid compass Jun 24, 2022, 8:15 PM

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They're cheap and squishy so you may want to take 2 or 3? I was taking lasers but it felt spammy with a 10 man lascannon HSS team too. So I'm changing to the grav cannons as it feels far more thematic, especially in the creeping death rite of war @loud pagoda

loud pagoda Jun 24, 2022, 8:20 PM

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Nice

rapid compass Jun 24, 2022, 8:27 PM

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And, unless I'm.wrong, with haywire they can ping HP of things pretty well also

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Haywire hurts dreads also

rapid compass Jun 24, 2022, 8:44 PM

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Ok, 1750ish point death guard creeping death rite of war list:

Delegatus

3x grav cannon rapiers
2x contemptor, 1 MM / 1 plasma cannon

2x20 tactical
2x apothecaries

10 man lascannon HSS
2x whirlwinds

buoyant crystal Jun 24, 2022, 8:44 PM

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Yea, that seems strong

rapid compass Jun 24, 2022, 8:45 PM

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I think I'm happy with it

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Man picking HS is hard, so many choices

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Elites is easy, for me

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Fast attack I'd add sabres with neutron lasers

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Concussive on the gravs is good for making contemptors more hittable, as well as making standard marines crap in melee

austere siren Jun 24, 2022, 9:21 PM

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Don't talk to me or my son ever again

loud pagoda Jun 24, 2022, 9:24 PM

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That one is sadly sold out but mortar feels fluffy for DG

calm pawn Jun 24, 2022, 9:33 PM

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It do

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Too bad the Arquitor is in resin, otherwise I would get one

unique thicket Jun 24, 2022, 10:08 PM

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rapid compass Grav cannons are enticing to make them spend the whole game making dangerous ter...

Do Grav Cannons from Rapiers and Contemptor fist weapons not take hull points off of tanks AV anymore?

unique thicket Jun 24, 2022, 10:16 PM

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rapid compass They're cheap and squishy so you may want to take 2 or 3? I was taking lasers bu...

We're the Death Guard... why on earth would 10-man heavy support squad be spammy ? Spammy would be having 3 heavy slots and 4 of your troop slots with LasCannon 10-man squads. I'd say it shouldn't be spammy in DG, we literally have a Rite of War that says we can take 40x of them as troops (need compulsories too!) as well as 30x for HSS :)

buoyant crystal Jun 24, 2022, 10:17 PM

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So what you're saying is that I should take 70 Plasmacannons... 🙃

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Like 250 points per unit, only 1750 points

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A little over half your list

unique thicket Jun 24, 2022, 10:20 PM

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hah I like your thinking :D Add in that HQ that makes one of them line too

buoyant crystal Jun 24, 2022, 10:22 PM

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Which one is that?

unique thicket Jun 24, 2022, 10:23 PM

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I don't have my legion book yet .. so no idea

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Herald or something ?

buoyant crystal Jun 24, 2022, 10:24 PM

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Herald just has a Legion Standard, so he can make one unit Line (whichever one he joins)

unique thicket Jun 24, 2022, 10:24 PM

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yeah that

buoyant crystal Jun 24, 2022, 10:24 PM

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Eh

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80 points

unique thicket Jun 24, 2022, 10:25 PM

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but 10x heavy plasma with line.. it's just another option to test out

buoyant crystal Jun 24, 2022, 10:25 PM

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Honestly might just try and make a list with 70 HSS

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For the lulz

unique thicket Jun 24, 2022, 10:26 PM

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lemme know how it goes with the herald :D

buoyant crystal Jun 24, 2022, 10:26 PM

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Don't think I'll be adding a Herald lol

calm pawn Jun 24, 2022, 10:30 PM

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Herald on HSS with Volkite Culverin. Sit on objective and chooom anyone who gets close

buoyant crystal Jun 24, 2022, 10:30 PM

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How are you giving a Herald a Volkite Culverin? Only Armistos can take that afaik

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Oh nvm, I get ya

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Fuck it, fine

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Herald

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Just 3 Centurions: MoS, Herald, Delegatus lol

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The Reaping
2995 points
Master of Signals
Herald of the Legion
Delegatus
2x Apothecary
4x Techmarine, Cognis-Signum
2x15 Tacticals, Scythe, Vexilla, Toxin bombs, AA
2x10 HSS, Lascannons, AA, Augury Scanner
2x10 HSS, Plasmacannons, AA, Augury Scanner
2x10 HSS, Volkite Culverins, AA, Augury Scanner
1x10 HSS, Missile Launchers, AA, Augury Scanner

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Best list I've ever made

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Vehicles? We don't use those here. You're more than welcome to bring some though...

calm pawn Jun 24, 2022, 10:43 PM

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With that much firepower who needs vehicles?

unique thicket Jun 24, 2022, 10:45 PM

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buoyant crystal Vehicles? We don't use those here. You're more than welcome to bring some though...

made me chuckle :D Awesome list- so DG .. please let us know how it goes

buoyant crystal Jun 24, 2022, 10:45 PM

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What, you think I'd play this? Humorous

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... I mean, I would

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But I don't have the models

unique thicket Jun 24, 2022, 10:46 PM

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I have the numbers, not the weaponry

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I'd hate to move the models around, shame no creeping death.. but yeah, that would be an interesting list to play

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since it's not like we get rules with lots of rerolls

last saffron Jun 25, 2022, 12:04 AM

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I mean, I think it'd lose hard, but it'd be fun to watch!

unique thicket Jun 25, 2022, 12:05 AM

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that's the spirit :D haha

toxic vapor Jun 25, 2022, 2:02 AM

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Are the Alchem weapons as good as they seem, loading up a specialist squad with a bunch of them seems like an easy way to melt through infantry for cheap even if it kills some of your own.

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 2:08 AM

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I would say so, though you have to find a good way to get them up the field. Wounding on 2+ is great, even with the risk of Gets Hots.

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And good luck charging them with any kind of infantry.

twilit sun Jun 25, 2022, 2:16 AM

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10 SS with alchem flamers will kill something like 13 tac marines on average

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more if you have Typhon

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so yeah they're pretty insane lol

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you probably dont even lose a guy from the gets-hot either

distant karma Jun 25, 2022, 2:25 AM

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We think TSS are better than Mortus Poisoners will be?

twilit sun Jun 25, 2022, 2:26 AM

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mortus poisoner?

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 2:33 AM

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Hands down as they are, yes

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 2:34 AM

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twilit sun mortus poisoner?

The DG unit we got in one of the Exemplary Battles PDFs

twilit sun Jun 25, 2022, 2:34 AM

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ohhhhh, d'oh

distant karma Jun 25, 2022, 2:36 AM

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Ya boi needs to make some lists, but motivation is low

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 2:36 AM

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A 5 man Squad of Mortus is 125 points, and gets a Bolter(which can be swapped for a Flamer for free), Chainsword, Hardened Armor and Rad Grenades as an Elite Choice.

twilit sun Jun 25, 2022, 2:37 AM

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yeah, mortus doesnt seem that great lol

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at least as-is

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 2:37 AM

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A 5 man TSS is 85 points with all flamers, and are a Troops Choice. The only difference stat wise is the Mortus are LD 9 base.

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What hurts them in my eyes is they are an elites choice

twilit sun Jun 25, 2022, 2:39 AM

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elites choice and paying for melee stats that they dont need

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 2:39 AM

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Yes, you can take phospex bombs on them and take a heavy flamer for 20 points.

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Yeah

twilit sun Jun 25, 2022, 2:39 AM

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DG in general is super anti-other assault armies, so paying all those points for some kinda-ok melee stats is just bleh

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 2:39 AM

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If they were a Non Com Troop choice they might be a bit more interesting

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But frankly I would rather just take more bodies in a TSS

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They suffer the same issues as Destroyer Squads, there are better choices, and in the DG basic TSS with Flamer do the job just fine, and if you really want a mean Destroyer like squad take Grave Wardens

twilit sun Jun 25, 2022, 2:42 AM

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agreed

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 2:44 AM

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Plus, who needs Rad Grenades when no sane unit wants to charge a squad full of flamers

timid hollow Jun 25, 2022, 6:08 AM

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Yooo what is up my stinky fellas

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 6:10 AM

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Hiya

rapid compass Jun 25, 2022, 6:10 AM

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Eyyy hello mate, you found us then

timid hollow Jun 25, 2022, 6:10 AM

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Yep!

rapid compass Jun 25, 2022, 6:10 AM

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Good stuff, welcome

timid hollow Jun 25, 2022, 6:10 AM

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So I own Bac and BoP

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So I can run 15 cataphractii and 5 tartaros along with a WHOLE host of tactical marines

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 6:11 AM

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Nice

timid hollow Jun 25, 2022, 6:12 AM

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Heavy Support Squads seem great due to penalty immunity

rapid compass Jun 25, 2022, 6:12 AM

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Sounds like a good start, especially for death guard

timid hollow Jun 25, 2022, 6:12 AM

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Is it still snapshots or -1 to hit

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 6:12 AM

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Snap shots

timid hollow Jun 25, 2022, 6:12 AM

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👍 Was curious

rapid compass Jun 25, 2022, 6:12 AM

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They are very good for DG, tho a word of caution - the rite of war that unlocks them as non compulsory troops isn't quite as good as our other one

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 6:13 AM

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Mmhmm

rapid compass Jun 25, 2022, 6:13 AM

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Well, that's the general belief anyhow

timid hollow Jun 25, 2022, 6:13 AM

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I don't own Liber Heriticus but enlighten me

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 6:13 AM

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Reaping Makes HSS and Vets troops, but not Line

timid hollow Jun 25, 2022, 6:13 AM

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Can DG take Libbies?

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 6:14 AM

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Librarians? Sure, not very fluffy though

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Both our RoW

timid hollow Jun 25, 2022, 6:15 AM

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Gotcha wasn't sure

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 6:16 AM

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Morty has a big hate for psykers

timid hollow Jun 25, 2022, 6:16 AM

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Fair fair

rapid compass Jun 25, 2022, 6:16 AM

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To the point typhon can't use his psychic stuff if they're in the same army

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 6:17 AM

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Of course if you are Loyalist or flavored as a Blackshield you could have a Librarian with 0 issues

timid hollow Jun 25, 2022, 6:18 AM

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The creeping death one seems interesting

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 6:18 AM

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Its my favorite of the two. I feel it improves upon what the DG can already do with little cost

timid hollow Jun 25, 2022, 6:18 AM

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What is shroud?

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 6:20 AM

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Pretty much a FNP

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Just for shooting

rapid compass Jun 25, 2022, 6:22 AM

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6× FNP against shooting, tho it's only removed by the Ignores Cover rule

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 6:22 AM

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Yep

rapid compass Jun 25, 2022, 6:22 AM

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So even if you get hit with a instant death shot you still get that roll, which is tasty

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 6:22 AM

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Yep

rapid compass Jun 25, 2022, 6:23 AM

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God I love 20 man tac squads

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 6:23 AM

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Haha

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They are great right now, so many bolter shots

timid hollow Jun 25, 2022, 6:28 AM

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Noice

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That's all great

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DG really do seem great at mass infantry

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 6:29 AM

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Morty was an infantryman at heart so its rather fitting

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Infantry backed with Dreads will do great

rapid compass Jun 25, 2022, 6:34 AM

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He did love his infantry. And he has a lot of infantry who were extremely resilient, and took great pride in being so

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 6:34 AM

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Mmhmm

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Though thats probably my only issue with the tactic, it doesn't really help our durability

timid hollow Jun 25, 2022, 6:35 AM

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The shade does no?

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Though uhh

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My question is what's a Legion Centurion

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 6:36 AM

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They are kind of like a Captain/Lieutenant, and with teh Consul rule can be specialized

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Less beat sticks, and more supports

timid hollow Jun 25, 2022, 6:37 AM

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Praetor vs Centurion

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Any difference?

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 6:39 AM

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Praetors are the equivalent of Chapter Masters from 40k, though in the HH they are usually leading something like a company or expeditionary fleet, or even higher up in Legion Command

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The Praetor is your beat stick, The Centurion supports your army

timid hollow Jun 25, 2022, 6:40 AM

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Gotcha

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So to run that terrain one

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I need a centurion

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 6:41 AM

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Yes, and through the Consul rule you upgrade him into a Siege Breaker for extra points

timid hollow Jun 25, 2022, 6:42 AM

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👍

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Yeah that terrain one looks really sick

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 6:42 AM

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Its great even with just the passive terrain stuff

rapid compass Jun 25, 2022, 6:45 AM

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Creeping Death can be horrific. Forcing dangerous terrain tests for every move, charge, consolidation, pile in, etc. Plus toxin bombs...

Plus they lose 2" movement and charge range...

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 6:45 AM

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Mmhmm

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Great board control just for taking it

rapid compass Jun 25, 2022, 6:46 AM

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I'm taking 3 grav cannons too so the enemy will spend two 3rds of the game in dangerous terrain lol

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 6:47 AM

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Nice haha

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 7:20 AM

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timid hollow 👍

Something I forget to mention, you need either a Praetor or a Centurion upgraded to a Delegatus to be able to take Rites of War. You have to have atleast a 1k list to be able to take a Praetor.

timid hollow Jun 25, 2022, 7:20 AM

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I can do that probably

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 7:22 AM

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If not, a Delegatus can be taken at any point value and unlock them

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So to run the Creeping Death you need a Siege Breaker, either a Delegatus or Praetor, and two compulsory troop choices

distant karma Jun 25, 2022, 7:59 AM

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Anyone taking nemesis bolters in Creeping Death? Snipers are tried and true trenchers

rapid compass Jun 25, 2022, 8:12 AM

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I hadn't thought about it, but now I need to

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 8:17 AM

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For me it's a matter of points and what models I have access to, and currently I don't have any snipers

austere siren Jun 25, 2022, 8:47 AM

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You also need a praetor for creeping death as they unlock the rite of wars generally

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So you need a siege breaker and praetor

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(Or a delagtus, but take a praetor at 1k plus games)

timid hollow Jun 25, 2022, 8:56 AM

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These are words yes

rapid compass Jun 25, 2022, 8:57 AM

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I'm a fan of the delegatus to unlock the rites, even at 2k

rapid compass Jun 25, 2022, 8:58 AM

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timid hollow These are words yes

To unlock the ability to use rites of war you need a model with the Master of the Legion rule. Which is either a praetor, delegatus, or most named characters

timid hollow Jun 25, 2022, 8:59 AM

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Uh huh

nimble turtle Jun 25, 2022, 9:00 AM

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whats the difference between a praetor and a delegatus? when do you want which one?

last saffron Jun 25, 2022, 9:02 AM

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I wish the creeping death one required a siege breaker OR mortarion

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 9:05 AM

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nimble turtle whats the difference between a praetor and a delegatus? when do you want which o...

Praetor is the big chief and has access to most of the armory for weapons and equipment. A Delegatus is a Centurion upgraded via the Consul rule

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A Praetor can only be taken at 1k or above points. A Delegatus can be taken at any points level

rapid compass Jun 25, 2022, 9:51 AM

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And you can only have one praetor per 1000 points

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Delegatus ain't bad for his points tbf

unique thicket Jun 25, 2022, 8:41 PM

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Anyone tried the FW heads or DG 40k marine heads on the new beakies? Just wondering if it's worth picking up a few for the AA Sgt's

timid hollow Jun 25, 2022, 8:43 PM

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FW heads will fit perfectly for the most part

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DG 40k heads might look off since a lot of them are really mutated and such

unique thicket Jun 25, 2022, 8:44 PM

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There's one with a spike and the nurgle dots on his forehead which can be removed - I'm not so keen on the two lil nostrils.. but it's definitely the right vibe - more worried on sizing

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could still just wait for the new gw upgrade pack.. just impatient lol

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 8:46 PM

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unique thicket Anyone tried the FW heads or DG 40k marine heads on the new beakies? Just wonde...

unique thicket Jun 25, 2022, 8:46 PM

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Great stuff, thank you!

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 8:46 PM

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I wanna get some heads because of this picture

unique thicket Jun 25, 2022, 8:49 PM

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think it could be worth me waiting, if they do a cheaper pack that's on point with design, I may end up wanting a few hehe

timid hollow Jun 25, 2022, 8:50 PM

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They do seem to be releasing heads and stuff for all the legions

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Which is really cool

unique thicket Jun 25, 2022, 8:51 PM

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That's the helmet I was thinking

timid hollow Jun 25, 2022, 8:51 PM

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Mk2 helm

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Nice

unique thicket Jun 25, 2022, 8:51 PM

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timid hollow They do seem to be releasing heads and stuff for all the legions

they are for all, just a matter of time and if the design will be cool or not

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righty, got one of those helmets on order and some bits for conversion, will test it out :)

timid hollow Jun 25, 2022, 8:55 PM

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Are uhh

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Powerfists any good?

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I know they have unwieldy which makes them Initiative 1

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 8:57 PM

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They are good for ID against marines and termies

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 9:00 PM

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unique thicket That's the helmet I was thinking

The issue with the 40k DG helms is that a good deal of them require reworking to make them fit 30k

unique thicket Jun 25, 2022, 9:01 PM

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calm pawn The issue with the 40k DG helms is that a good deal of them require reworking to...

Yes I know, hence the rather limited selection of one or two. I personally have zero interest in tentacles in 30k or 40k.. sad that they are in 40k but still .. for 30k, I'm all about the marine look and not the daemonisation of any marine

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the one I pictured before has a tiny amount that's very easily fixable, sand and refill - done, includes top spike which is great too. My concern is the size differences - given the new beakie heads are a bit small and I always felt the DG FW heads were tiny too

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but with one now on order, I can trial and error :D

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 9:04 PM

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Nice, and really size isn't an issue between Mark Vi and Plague Marine helms

unique thicket Jun 25, 2022, 9:06 PM

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if it looks good I can go seeking another 9 to make a squad for one of the more important units

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 9:08 PM

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Indeed

mystic vigil Jun 25, 2022, 9:10 PM

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calm pawn

I hate the way they looked on the FW website. May reconsider now

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They would be bad ass for veteran squads

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 9:13 PM

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Mmmhmm

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And given we have already seen three Legions get upgraded head sculpts we might see one for DG in the future

buoyant crystal Jun 25, 2022, 9:15 PM

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Not might. They've confirmed that all 18 legions will be getting new heads and Mk6 shoulders

unique thicket Jun 25, 2022, 9:17 PM

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yeah, confirmed, packs for ever legion, just a matter of time as above

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every.. damn typos :D

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 9:18 PM

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Oh nice

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I look forward to seeing how are Legion looks

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Will be nice not to get a pack with a dud head in it. I don't like non helmeted heads >.<

buoyant crystal Jun 25, 2022, 9:20 PM

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There'll still be a dud for 20 man Tacs. 9 generic heads, 1 sergeant head, 1 un-helmeted head

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Suppose you can alter the Serg head

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 9:25 PM

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Use him as a Corporal 😛

timid hollow Jun 25, 2022, 9:31 PM

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calm pawn Will be nice not to get a pack with a dud head in it. I don't like non helmeted ...

For sure

unique thicket Jun 25, 2022, 9:34 PM

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calm pawn Will be nice not to get a pack with a dud head in it. I don't like non helmeted ...

you and me both .. one of those bad decisions made lol

unique thicket Jun 25, 2022, 9:35 PM

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buoyant crystal There'll still be a dud for 20 man Tacs. 9 generic heads, 1 sergeant head, 1 un-...

If you run a straight beakie with comms gear, you could get away with that

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or maybe dig out those DG plastic 40k heads for conversion :D one off for the comms gear etc

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 9:38 PM

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Hah

timid hollow Jun 25, 2022, 9:39 PM

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Question the vox/vexilla dude

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They are seperate from the sergeant?

unique thicket Jun 25, 2022, 9:40 PM

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I believe so yes, that or at least, people put them on different models

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 9:40 PM

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Yes, they are

timid hollow Jun 25, 2022, 9:40 PM

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👍

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 9:41 PM

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Vox is coms, Vexilla is banner

unique thicket Jun 25, 2022, 9:41 PM

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back in the day of modeling marines - the sgts used to get the batter (think 2nd ed) .. but now it seems we want to pop the vexilla on a generic marine

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so if your AA geared Sgt tanks hits on 2+ and dies... you still have the vex and vox

timid hollow Jun 25, 2022, 9:41 PM

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👍

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Can you put a vox in a heavy support?

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Because I realized that being able to reroll scatter dice is pretty good

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 9:44 PM

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Yes, they can take a nox

timid hollow Jun 25, 2022, 9:45 PM

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Thanks

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I don't have my liber hereticus

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So wasn't sure

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Is it just an upgrade?

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 9:46 PM

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Yep

void gazelle Jun 25, 2022, 10:32 PM

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calm pawn

Wish they'd hurry up and reveal the MKVI upgrades.

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I need to know if I'm selling mine.

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 10:35 PM

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Same

austere siren Jun 25, 2022, 10:35 PM

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you can make a bunch of the 30k death guard heads work just fine

unique thicket Jun 25, 2022, 10:35 PM

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which upgrades?

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 10:35 PM

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unique thicket which upgrades?

Head and shoulders guards

void gazelle Jun 25, 2022, 10:35 PM

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austere siren you can make a bunch of the 30k death guard heads work just fine

Problem with that is, Sod's Law dictates I'll buy a bunch, then they'll reveal the dedicated MKVI ones and they'll be better.

unique thicket Jun 25, 2022, 10:36 PM

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ah

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 10:36 PM

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Haha

unique thicket Jun 25, 2022, 10:36 PM

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and yeah.. they might be :) but then they might not be MkIII shoulder pads

void gazelle Jun 25, 2022, 10:36 PM

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Granted, I don't see what else they can really do but 'respirator helmet'.

unique thicket Jun 25, 2022, 10:37 PM

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spikey helmets

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they really need some good spikey helmets - I'd prefer plastic though because they will break less likely

austere siren Jun 25, 2022, 10:39 PM

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Wait that should have read 40k lol

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 10:42 PM

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void gazelle Granted, I don't see what else they can really do but 'respirator helmet'.

Maybe something like this?

unique thicket Jun 25, 2022, 10:42 PM

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personally that's not one of my favourites

void gazelle Jun 25, 2022, 10:44 PM

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calm pawn Maybe something like this?

I could see the one on the left being the MKVI one, since the front guy is just the current one.

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 10:44 PM

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Yeah

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I wanna see more alternate generic helms

unique thicket Jun 25, 2022, 10:45 PM

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we're known for MkIII helmets... and yet the most simplistic thing that GW could have done was to make MkIII helmets ... with spikes. Giving that old ww1'esque look of trench fighters that we're known for. Instead they go full on artificer and give the awesome MkIII helms to other legions :(

calm pawn Jun 25, 2022, 10:46 PM

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Mmhmm

unique thicket Jun 25, 2022, 10:46 PM

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come 40k.. they got spikes on spikes with spikes and tentacles on spikes and puss boils ..

timid hollow Jun 26, 2022, 4:05 AM

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Building these models are taking me forever

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Idk if I just got slower or I’m putting way more care into it

calm pawn Jun 26, 2022, 5:24 AM

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Could be both

unique thicket Jun 26, 2022, 1:36 PM

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timid hollow Building these models are taking me forever

I haven't even started, so I praise your efforts regardless of the time taken :)

austere siren Jun 26, 2022, 5:01 PM

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have folx used creeping death in practice yet?

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i've used it in two games and it's just not coming up that much

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idk if it's because i have quite an assault heavy list?

buoyant crystal Jun 26, 2022, 5:03 PM

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Used it in 8 games and I'm quite enjoying it. It makes it easy to either direct the opponent through choke points where blasts/templates can do work or where I can block the way with a vehicle or some Dreadnoughts. If they do elect to go through terrain then they'll simply suffer casualties, and by utilising the various reactions that allows you to move away from the enemy, you can keep them at an arm's length while they're forced to take dangerous checks over and over

unique thicket Jun 26, 2022, 5:10 PM

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austere siren idk if it's because i have quite an assault heavy list?

possibly - if they aren't moving to you and taking zone tests etc.. maybe you should check out the other rites?

nimble turtle Jun 26, 2022, 7:59 PM

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so im building the starter box (1 praetor, not sure what to do with the other) and 30 taccies 10 heavies
which heavy weapon would you recommend? heavy bolter or missile launcher?

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i think both are cool 😛

buoyant crystal Jun 26, 2022, 7:59 PM

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Missile

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Heavy Bolter is kinda trash right now tbh

nimble turtle Jun 26, 2022, 7:59 PM

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any reason to go 5 or 10 in a squad?

buoyant crystal Jun 26, 2022, 7:59 PM

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Vastly outclassed by the Volkite Culverin

nimble turtle Jun 26, 2022, 7:59 PM

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like in 40k theres blast

buoyant crystal Jun 26, 2022, 8:00 PM

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There's also "blast" here. I'd take 10 so you get more dangerous reactions and so you can get more value from throwing a Techmarine in the unit to give them BS 5

nimble turtle Jun 26, 2022, 8:00 PM

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my guess would be... smaller units are best to avoid templates but this isnt feasible due to attachment slots?

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ah yeah makes sense

rapid compass Jun 26, 2022, 8:11 PM

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I have a small worry that creeping death is a bit too passive for my way of playing

unique thicket Jun 26, 2022, 8:17 PM

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nimble turtle so im building the starter box (1 praetor, not sure what to do with the other) a...

LasCannon or Volkite personally... but Missiles aren't bad. I would wait for the LasCannon set to come out

buoyant crystal Jun 26, 2022, 8:18 PM

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Lascannon or Plasmacannon for me personally

unique thicket Jun 26, 2022, 8:18 PM

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I'm pretty sure a lot of people dislike min sized units because, at least, back in 1.0, they would be wiped by a single pie plate from something like a typhon or other arti shell

nimble turtle Jun 26, 2022, 9:01 PM

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aw man, did power scythes get nerfed

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thought i had rending 4 not rending 6

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altho no 10 extra pts i guess is good

buoyant crystal Jun 26, 2022, 9:02 PM

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Yea, was rending 4+ in the Phase 1 document

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But they also gave you -1 initiative

austere siren Jun 26, 2022, 9:26 PM

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wait are they full iniative now?

calm pawn Jun 26, 2022, 9:34 PM

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Yep

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And because it can be used as a power weapon replacement you can give it to a squad of Termies for free to use as cheap Deathshroud

austere siren Jun 26, 2022, 9:46 PM

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only characters can take them

calm pawn Jun 26, 2022, 9:49 PM

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You are correct, my mistake

spice vortex Jun 26, 2022, 9:54 PM

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They absolutely chew through power armour but against termies/2+ saves they’re not going to have much fun at all

nimble turtle Jun 26, 2022, 9:58 PM

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austere siren only characters can take them

that includes sergeants right

austere siren Jun 26, 2022, 10:01 PM

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yes!

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sergeants have the character type

calm pawn Jun 26, 2022, 10:07 PM

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I've seen someone convert the chaplain heresy model to use a power scythe and it looks great

timid hollow Jun 27, 2022, 6:29 AM

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What's the optimal terminator loadout?

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I built my BaC ones with claws

calm pawn Jun 27, 2022, 6:31 AM

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Depends on what you want them to do. I think for a basic squad TL Bolters and Power fists work

timid hollow Jun 27, 2022, 6:32 AM

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Gotcha!

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Wanted to double check

buoyant crystal Jun 27, 2022, 6:32 AM

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I'm looking mostly at a mix of chainfists and lightning claws, like 4 of each and then 2 unupgraded that will function as extra wounds

timid hollow Jun 27, 2022, 6:33 AM

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Interesting choice

buoyant crystal Jun 27, 2022, 6:33 AM

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I like being flexible lol

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Whichever weapon type is less optimal in a given match-up will of course get killed off first

timid hollow Jun 27, 2022, 6:34 AM

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I think I'll just stick with all chain/power

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Do deathguard get affected by dangerous and deadly terrain?

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When charging

buoyant crystal Jun 27, 2022, 6:37 AM

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Yes unless you're playing Creeping Death

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In which case the entire army is immune to dangerous terrain

timid hollow Jun 27, 2022, 6:37 AM

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No pogdolon emote eh?

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Still that's dope

rapid compass Jun 27, 2022, 10:58 AM

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I'm needing inspiration ... anyone fancy posting their list ideas? Either rite of war will do

buoyant crystal Jun 27, 2022, 12:16 PM

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@rapid compass How many points?

rapid compass Jun 27, 2022, 12:18 PM

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Any :)

buoyant crystal Jun 27, 2022, 12:21 PM

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Well, this is a more "casual" list I've made for an intro game. Takes a bit of everything that DG is good at

2000 points
Praetor with MC Scythe
Deathshroud Retinue, 5 guys, one has a banner
2x20 Tacticals, Serg with Scythe and AA
10x TSS with Plasmaguns in a Rhino
5x HSS with Plasma cannons, AA on Serg
Kratos, hull mounted autocannons, sponson lascannons, normal Battlecannon turret
Leviathan Dread, Claw, Melta Lance

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Won't be using a Rite for the intro game, else you'd have to find points for a Siege Breaker

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Would probably replace the Kratos with a Spartan if I were to make it a more serious list

austere siren Jun 27, 2022, 12:48 PM

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God damn you love your plasma!!!

rapid compass Jun 27, 2022, 1:00 PM

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My 1750 list is vaguely this:

Delegatus
Siege breaker

2x20 tacs, with most upgrades
2x apothecaries

2x contemptor with plasma cannon, fist

3x grav cannon rapier

1x whirlwind

buoyant crystal Jun 27, 2022, 1:01 PM

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austere siren God damn you love your plasma!!!

IT'S SO GOOD

austere siren Jun 27, 2022, 1:01 PM

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the grav cannons are interesting

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they mainly seem to be an assault facilitator

buoyant crystal Jun 27, 2022, 1:02 PM

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Sure, you might lose a lad or two due to maintenance negligence but it works

austere siren Jun 27, 2022, 1:02 PM

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because of the WS nerf and terrain creation, right?

buoyant crystal Jun 27, 2022, 1:03 PM

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I like the idea of Grav Cannons. They're like cheaper Phosphex Quad Launchers

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Don't deal as much damage, sure

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but longer range iirc and larger area

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It plays well with Creeping Death, like Phosphex, as you can lock down more and more of the map

rapid compass Jun 27, 2022, 1:06 PM

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Plays well with creeping death, rules wise and thematically. They're not bonkers strong but they do a lot all in one:

Add dangerous terrain to slow and kill enemies just moving

Extend our dangerous terrain bubble out of the DZ (which we're not penalised by)

Haywire to plink points off AV

Templates that have the potential to hit and kill blobs of enemies

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And the ws nerf, if you get it, will swing a melee too

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Haywire is good for getting around flare shields

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Given we have to.take a siege breaker, putting him in with thevl wardens may be a good idea? S6 can threaten lighter transports

buoyant crystal Jun 27, 2022, 1:13 PM

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Yea, that or with missile launchers.

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You can also get a bit cheeky and have your Siege Breaker on a jetbike, joining a unit full of multi-meltas

rapid compass Jun 27, 2022, 1:19 PM

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ML are a good shout, tho I wouldn't take them in the creeping death rite of war

austere siren Jun 27, 2022, 1:23 PM

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how come

rapid compass Jun 27, 2022, 1:24 PM

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Outclassed by lascannons. And you only have 3 heavy support slots. Using 2 on heavy support squads feels a waste, especially given missiles aren't really very good

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And outclassed by volkite, for power armour killing

austere siren Jun 27, 2022, 1:25 PM

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ahh yes but they're better at killing tanks than volkite and better than killing infantry than lascannons :p

rapid compass Jun 27, 2022, 1:32 PM

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They're worse at killing infantry than lascannons

buoyant crystal Jun 27, 2022, 1:38 PM

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rapid compass ML are a good shout, tho I wouldn't take them in the creeping death rite of war

I'm on the opposite spectrum actually. I find hyper mobile units (like jet bikes) super useful with Creeping Death as you can really abuse the additional dangerous and difficult. With movement reactions on top you basically cannot get caught by melee units and by utilising blocky terrain you can hide them fairly effectively

rapid compass Jun 27, 2022, 1:40 PM

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I'm confused what you mean, i was just saying I don't like missile launchers lol?.

buoyant crystal Jun 27, 2022, 1:40 PM

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oh wow nvm

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I read ML as MM

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And figured you replied to my comment just above yours

rapid compass Jun 27, 2022, 1:41 PM

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Ah ok

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I think, moving forward, I'll put typhon with 5 grave wardens, and upgrade my delegatus to a praetor, with deathshroud retinue

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Typhon is a buffer against ws5 elite terminators, or just helps delete regular ones. Helps the wardens out a bit who are a bit vanilla terminator once they reach melee

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Praetor, given he isn't warlord, can take a few deathshroud to smash through power armour and tank wounds for him

rapid compass Jun 27, 2022, 2:23 PM

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You know what, thinking about it - should this be the other way around?

void gazelle Jun 27, 2022, 2:45 PM

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Nah. Deathshroud have trouble opening up Terminators since Scythes are AP3 and their Rending got nerfed to 6+.

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Grave Wardens have Power Fists, even if their melee stats are a bit vanilla.

distant karma Jun 27, 2022, 2:51 PM

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buoyant crystal I'm on the opposite spectrum actually. I find hyper mobile units (like jet bikes...

I'm planning to do some work with speeders to exactly this effect, if I end up throwing my hat in with DG

rapid compass Jun 27, 2022, 5:53 PM

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void gazelle Nah. Deathshroud have trouble opening up Terminators since Scythes are AP3 and t...

So you agree, typhon with wardens, praetor with deathshroud?

calm pawn Jun 27, 2022, 5:56 PM

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Someone did art of what they thought DG helms could look and I love that first one

unique thicket Jun 27, 2022, 5:57 PM

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still think the design on the right, as per the FW design, has a smaller head section for brain matter than the others compared to the eye height

void gazelle Jun 27, 2022, 5:57 PM

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rapid compass So you agree, typhon with wardens, praetor with deathshroud?

Da.

rapid compass Jun 27, 2022, 6:01 PM

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Brill, cheers man. Spartans for both?

unique thicket Jun 27, 2022, 6:11 PM

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expensive

unique thicket Jun 27, 2022, 6:14 PM

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calm pawn Someone did art of what they thought DG helms could look and I love that first o...

They need more helms like on the 40k DG banner guy with his awesome mk3 armour or something like this dude - very WW1 themed for trench fighting ..

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Just some much to gain inspiration from :)

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some? so ..

calm pawn Jun 27, 2022, 6:16 PM

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Oh agreed

unique thicket Jun 27, 2022, 6:16 PM

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to be fair, scattered amongst the new 40k stuff there are some awesome helmets

calm pawn Jun 27, 2022, 6:16 PM

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Mmhmm

rapid compass Jun 27, 2022, 7:05 PM

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unique thicket expensive

True, any recommendations?

distant karma Jun 27, 2022, 7:06 PM

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Man, I wish I could get over kinda hating Typhon. He's looks sooooo good for Creeping Death

unique thicket Jun 27, 2022, 7:08 PM

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Phobos if and when it's pdf'd or even just the proteus

rapid compass Jun 27, 2022, 8:10 PM

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distant karma Man, I wish I could get over kinda hating Typhon. He's looks sooooo good for Cre...

What don't you like?

unique thicket Jun 27, 2022, 8:21 PM

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he's traitor, he gave everyone the bug without asking

spice vortex Jun 27, 2022, 8:23 PM

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I get that. I prefer my traitors untainted by Nurgle (which also gives me the option to go for a shattered legion force of Istvaan 3 loyalists later on)

distant karma Jun 27, 2022, 8:42 PM

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unique thicket he's traitor, he gave everyone the bug without asking

Partially this. Like, I don't find him that compelling a character, including the damnation of the legion. I'm a bigger fan of pre-nurgle Traitor DG.

I'm also just generally weird about named characters in Heresy. Have to be super compelled to play them

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Like Crysos Morturg is a badass, and would have dragged me to play Loyalist if he had rules and creeping death wasn't traitor locked

unique thicket Jun 27, 2022, 8:43 PM

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Garro, but he was injured during ist 3 .. beyond the heresy he became the errant... so we won't see him, I can't wait for Crysos though and see how his abilities will work

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yeah Crysos without creeping death will suck

distant karma Jun 27, 2022, 8:43 PM

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If they just made reaping better, I'd be down for Morturg action

unique thicket Jun 27, 2022, 8:43 PM

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maybe it will be better to run him in another rite.. maybe a fury of the legion rite so you can ambush him into position whilst the enemy deals with your dreads lol that's my idea

distant karma Jun 27, 2022, 8:44 PM

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Oooh. Not a bad one!

unique thicket Jun 27, 2022, 8:45 PM

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if that ends up being a possibility, yep, I will happily run with that as it fits my fluff no end :D

austere siren Jun 27, 2022, 9:57 PM

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I'm sorry i was ever rude to creeping death

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I deeply apolgise

unique thicket Jun 27, 2022, 9:58 PM

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oh ?

rapid compass Jun 27, 2022, 10:02 PM

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Ooooh, go on?

austere siren Jun 27, 2022, 10:02 PM

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Nah just had a game where it was absolutely clutch

rapid compass Jun 27, 2022, 10:02 PM

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Someone needs to.talk me through how best to use creeping death

austere siren Jun 27, 2022, 10:02 PM

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1500pts vs blackshields

rapid compass Jun 27, 2022, 10:02 PM

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Go on, give us the details!

austere siren Jun 27, 2022, 10:03 PM

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Their 20 man tactical squad w/chainswords charged a unit with a siege breaker and toxin bombs

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With the overwatch with fury, the phosphex bomb, the toxin bombs and the dangerous terrain from the crater

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Like... 13 of them died

rapid compass Jun 27, 2022, 10:04 PM

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Lol amazing

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What's the range on the phosphex bombs?

austere siren Jun 27, 2022, 10:04 PM

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And they failed the charge!

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6 inches?

rapid compass Jun 27, 2022, 10:04 PM

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Is there more terrain in heresy 2?.

unique thicket Jun 27, 2022, 10:05 PM

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did your serg have a scythe?

austere siren Jun 27, 2022, 10:06 PM

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Yeahhh. I give my tacs chainswords because it's how they're modelled

unique thicket Jun 27, 2022, 10:06 PM

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so that's a yeah no .. or a yeah yes ? lol

austere siren Jun 27, 2022, 10:07 PM

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unique thicket so that's a yeah no .. or a yeah yes ? lol

Yes scythes on sergeants, and chainswords too

unique thicket Jun 27, 2022, 10:07 PM

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nice, how did you get on against armour, does the rite help or ?

austere siren Jun 27, 2022, 10:07 PM

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rapid compass Is there more terrain in heresy 2?.

5-6 pieces of 12x12 terrain and 3-6 6x6 chunks on a 6x4 board

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Idk how much 1.0 required cos i only played skirmish level games

sly knoll Jun 28, 2022, 3:56 AM

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What's the narrative choice for TSS? I heard once that Mortarion eschewed Plasma, and that was something that came later, after the Eye and all that. What's a flavorful load-out that is going to fit the story but not be underwhelming on the tabletop?

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To be clear, if it's plasma it's plasma. I used to run a ton of plas on my old 40k Death Guard, back in the day when no one knew what that was, and I had to explain it to people.

calm pawn Jun 28, 2022, 4:28 AM

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The Legion tended to favor bolters, flamers and melta, though Morty made sure his Legion was want for nothing so every weapon is open really. Volkite weapons are also popular, with Volkite Calivers being a decent choice on DG

timid hollow Jun 28, 2022, 4:59 AM

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Should the terminator sergeant take a powerfist or sword?

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I'm leaning sword

calm pawn Jun 28, 2022, 5:15 AM

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You could swap the sword for a scythe at no extra cost

timid hollow Jun 28, 2022, 5:22 AM

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calm pawn You could swap the sword for a scythe at no extra cost

Unfortunately the model doesn't come with a scythe but

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What does the scythe do?

timid hollow Jun 28, 2022, 6:27 AM

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Found a Tigrus combi Bolter

calm pawn Jun 28, 2022, 6:27 AM

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Niice

timid hollow Jun 28, 2022, 6:27 AM

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And then uhh

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THIS.

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😭

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I have 0 scythes so this is the most scuffed thing ever

calm pawn Jun 28, 2022, 6:28 AM

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Hah

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It works I guess? 😛

timid hollow Jun 28, 2022, 6:28 AM

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It’s got the general shape lmao

calm pawn Jun 28, 2022, 6:28 AM

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That it do

timid hollow Jun 28, 2022, 6:29 AM

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Oh yeah so what does the scythe do?

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I assume it’s like AP3 +1 str or something

calm pawn Jun 28, 2022, 6:30 AM

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A straight up upgrade to a power sword

timid hollow Jun 28, 2022, 6:30 AM

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Oh wow

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Yeah no kidding

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Reaping blow is what?

calm pawn Jun 28, 2022, 6:31 AM

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If you are in contact with more than one enemy model you get a bonus attack.

timid hollow Jun 28, 2022, 6:31 AM

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And it's free???

calm pawn Jun 28, 2022, 6:31 AM

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Its two handed, but given you are using him with a combi bolter this doesn't matter

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A DG exclusive weapon of beauty

timid hollow Jun 28, 2022, 6:32 AM

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Jesus

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That really is a no downside upgrade

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It's rare to see that

calm pawn Jun 28, 2022, 6:32 AM

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Mmhmm

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Though its not the best against AA or Termies, obviously

timid hollow Jun 28, 2022, 6:33 AM

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I can just kit them with powefists

calm pawn Jun 28, 2022, 6:34 AM

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Mmhmm

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Its great for challenges against marines without AA

austere siren Jun 28, 2022, 8:46 AM

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going to a 3k event in July at WW. Got 2.5 planned out. List is creeping death. Things I could have I already own

10 man flamer squad
Contemptor w/ Assault Cannon + Flamer
More HQs (Librarian, Primus Medicae, tons of things)
Up to 15 more Terminators (5 power axe, 5 lightning fist)

Or, the smart thing, buy Mortarion or Typhus...

buoyant crystal Jun 28, 2022, 8:58 AM

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Why the chainswords on your Tacticals? More than twice the price of a chainbayonet for slighty higher damage output against some targets. If you're going for Tacs that can do melee, take Despoilers. You won't be getting much use of the bolters at that unit size anyway.

If you're running Deathshrouds then I would always run a Primus Medicae in Tartaros with them. Being almost immune to ID means you get some amazing value from the FNP.

Assuming the Siege Breaker is there to join the HSS. In that case the Hammer is mostly a waste.

Mixing the plasma and melta on the Contemptor means you're gonna be firing one somewhat dud weapon at whatever you're targeting. They don't complement each other really. Taking 2 of either or 1 + fist makes it overall more usable.

I overall like the Typhon, just need to hope you get those 4+ rending.

austere siren Jun 28, 2022, 8:59 AM

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Good points all around

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The chainswords are just how i have them modelled from last edition

buoyant crystal Jun 28, 2022, 9:00 AM

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Might be worth pulling them off tbh

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Like it's a lot of points going towards swords

austere siren Jun 28, 2022, 9:00 AM

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I feel like they've earned their points back in all 4 of the games i've played!

buoyant crystal Jun 28, 2022, 9:00 AM

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Just for WYSIWYG

austere siren Jun 28, 2022, 9:00 AM

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But i get it

buoyant crystal Jun 28, 2022, 9:00 AM

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But so would bayonets

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Since basically every hit is a wound thanks to Toxin bombs

austere siren Jun 28, 2022, 9:37 AM

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i think 3 points difference to give an extra attack is still fine. it's increasing the melee effectiveness 33% when charging and 50% when not. when you're getting charged a lot (toxin bombs) it is marginally better

buoyant crystal Jun 28, 2022, 9:43 AM

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Extra attack but less strength

austere siren Jun 28, 2022, 9:51 AM

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Wait are they not S+1???

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Oh gosh okay yeah chainswords suck mb lemme rip them off lol

buoyant crystal Jun 28, 2022, 10:14 AM

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lmao'

mystic vigil Jun 28, 2022, 10:45 AM

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Typhus is OP

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Bring him

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Incredible damage, incredible support abilities

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Dirt cheap for what he brings

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Rad grenades, disordered charges

buoyant crystal Jun 28, 2022, 10:47 AM

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Wonder if I could use this guy as Typhon for the lols. Like I already own him but using personal models feels better lol

mystic vigil Jun 28, 2022, 10:47 AM

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Yes

buoyant crystal Jun 28, 2022, 10:48 AM

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He's about the same size even. Thanks, scalecreep

mystic vigil Jun 28, 2022, 10:48 AM

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He has a bulky armor + a scythes

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He lacks the flamer tho

buoyant crystal Jun 28, 2022, 10:48 AM

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Just pretend it's a flamer in the holster at the front

mystic vigil Jun 28, 2022, 11:02 AM

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Fair

buoyant crystal Jun 28, 2022, 11:03 AM

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I do still feel like he's a tad too fancy for a DG but w/e, will just have to make some colours more muted

austere siren Jun 28, 2022, 11:51 AM

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Looks like we had the same idea haha

buoyant crystal Jun 28, 2022, 11:52 AM

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Yours being the corrupted version lol

austere siren Jun 28, 2022, 11:52 AM

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yeahhh maybe a little bit of chaos

wild pelican Jun 28, 2022, 4:58 PM

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buoyant crystal Wonder if I could use this guy as Typhon for the lols. Like I already own him bu...

What model is that?

buoyant crystal Jun 28, 2022, 5:14 PM

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wild pelican What model is that?

Boxset Praetor with axe

wild pelican Jun 28, 2022, 5:14 PM

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Oh wow, that looks great

buoyant crystal Jun 28, 2022, 5:17 PM

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And now at war. 2000 points, post deployment

calm pawn Jun 28, 2022, 5:17 PM

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Good luck!

buoyant crystal Jun 28, 2022, 7:39 PM

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Victory for DG! 3-1 on Shatter Strike. He had first turn and blew up my Kratos turn 1 but the sons of Mortarion came back strong!

wild pelican Jun 28, 2022, 7:57 PM

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Congratulations!

unique thicket Jun 28, 2022, 8:00 PM

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nice, grats, how did the Kratos die ?

buoyant crystal Jun 28, 2022, 8:04 PM

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Lascannons from the Spartan. He got a flank hit, 6 on the pen, failed cover and shrouded save, 6 on the pen table. Boom

wild pelican Jun 28, 2022, 8:04 PM

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oof

buoyant crystal Jun 28, 2022, 8:04 PM

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His Spartan was all that survived the battle tho

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Deathshrouds were pretty mean

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He had 10 Catas in the Spartan. They disembarked and failed a charge, losing 1 on Return Fire and 2 on Overwatch. After that 10 Tacs, 9 Plasmaguns and 5 Deathshrouds opened fire. 4 dead Catas and they rolled an 11 on morale. Deathshrouds ran them down

unique thicket Jun 28, 2022, 8:08 PM

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ouch that's a right downer on the kratos

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sweet, concentrated fire sounds about right.. did creeping death come into or?

buoyant crystal Jun 28, 2022, 8:10 PM

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Didn't play with it! It was partly an intro game but without going full soft per request. We played without Rites to keep it somewhat simple (and he doesnt have the models to really use any Rite)

unique thicket Jun 28, 2022, 8:11 PM

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oh I remember reading that above, sorry, yeah good idea for a first game

calm pawn Jun 28, 2022, 8:12 PM

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Very nicely done

rapid compass Jun 28, 2022, 9:16 PM

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Amazing stuff man.

What's everyones thoughts on tartaros? I have 15 I could paint up lol.

Soon I'll have, available at least:

A delegatus/praetor model
Typhon
Siege breaker

3x laser rapiers, with the bits to swap to grav cannons

2x contemptor

2x apothecary

1x whirlwind

10x lascannon HSS

2x20 tac marines

buoyant crystal Jun 28, 2022, 9:19 PM

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Not sure on normal Tartaros. They're somewhat cheap at 25ppm base, and I think if I were to take them I'd keep them there. So basically just bolters and power weapons. They'll basically be Veterans with a 2+ 5++ save but WS4. Power swords are honestly fine on them but 5ppm for a Lightning Claw isn't too bad (or 10ppm for double claw, but cheap might be better). Like just a unit of 5 in a Proteus wouldn't be the worst but as DG you might as well run them through terrain, abusing Creeping Death.

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Of course take the free Scythe on the Sergeant

unique thicket Jun 28, 2022, 9:21 PM

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tarts still get plasma blasters?

buoyant crystal Jun 28, 2022, 9:22 PM

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yes

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10ppm

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Not the most impressive but it's alright

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And might be worth picking up

rapid compass Jun 28, 2022, 9:36 PM

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We're having a 1k starter tournament at my group, to get people used to the basic rules: what would you guys take?

unique thicket Jun 28, 2022, 9:42 PM

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7x plasma, 7x volkite caliver, 2x15 tacts, 7 lascannons .. would that even fit ? :D

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or 2x 14-man tacts :D

buoyant crystal Jun 28, 2022, 9:45 PM

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rapid compass We're having a 1k starter tournament at my group, to get people used to the basi...

You like Fury of the Ancients?

rapid compass Jun 28, 2022, 9:48 PM

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buoyant crystal *You like Fury of the Ancients?*

Oddly enough has this discussion with a mate..I really don't- not at 1k

rapid compass Jun 28, 2022, 9:49 PM

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unique thicket 7x plasma, 7x volkite caliver, 2x15 tacts, 7 lascannons .. would that even fit ?...

Sheer troop volume is viable tbf

hidden blade Jun 28, 2022, 10:41 PM

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calm pawn A DG exclusive weapon of beauty

Worth noting that against T4 +2S is instant death AP3/2 at initiative with Rad Bombs in The Reaping, fittingly.. 🙂

calm pawn Jun 28, 2022, 10:41 PM

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mmhmm

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Reap a bloody harvest

rapid compass Jun 29, 2022, 6:59 AM

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Remember typhon has rad grenades so he can ID T4 too, even if you're using creeping death rite of war

nimble turtle Jun 29, 2022, 8:49 AM

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hidden blade Worth noting that against T4 +2S is instant death AP3/2 at initiative with Rad B...

Doens trad bomb not work w instant death

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Or did that change from the leaked rules

buoyant crystal Jun 29, 2022, 8:53 AM

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Rad grenades actually specify that they work with ID

rapid compass Jun 29, 2022, 9:09 AM

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Yep, rad grenades let's S6 nuke t4

austere siren Jun 29, 2022, 4:12 PM

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ohhh i did not catch that

rapid compass Jun 29, 2022, 4:23 PM

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Typhon is good for evening out a melee when the opponent brings ws5 units, as he swings first and IDs T4 enemies. Reduces the amount of enemies swinging at you

spice vortex Jun 29, 2022, 5:53 PM

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What’s his points value?

buoyant crystal Jun 29, 2022, 5:53 PM

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He's 200 points

spice vortex Jun 29, 2022, 6:02 PM

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Cheers. Not much more than a pretty well equipped Praetor then?

rapid compass Jun 29, 2022, 6:26 PM

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He's very, very points efficient. He buffs your army really well too if you bring the right units

spice vortex Jun 29, 2022, 6:27 PM

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Pity I don’t like him 😂
Though the model is excellent

rapid compass Jun 29, 2022, 6:29 PM

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He's s badass model for sure

distant karma Jun 29, 2022, 7:41 PM

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spice vortex Pity I don’t like him 😂 Though the model is excellent

That's how I feel

sly knoll Jun 29, 2022, 8:20 PM

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calm pawn The Legion tended to favor bolters, flamers and melta, though Morty made sure hi...

Thanks playa

unique thicket Jun 29, 2022, 10:42 PM

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Any thoughts on Vets with Nem bolters, Seekers / Recon troops for DG ?

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including Shotgun based models ?

spice vortex Jun 29, 2022, 10:45 PM

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I’m sure I read about DG snipers at Istvaan III before the betrayal begins(was just a single line in one of the novels). Not exactly traditional DG but it could fit in with an infantry-heavy force to my mind

unique thicket Jun 29, 2022, 10:47 PM

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I'm not worried about 'traditional' DG because peoples ideas on that are influenced by the different fluffs they have read

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if you go by the earliest DG Index Astartes, it's so very broad with just an overlying concept

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but indeed, that's an interesting note simply because I wouldn't mind reading that story to find out more :)

calm pawn Jun 29, 2022, 10:49 PM

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Morty made sure his Legion was want for nothing so really any list is possible as long as its not filled with Pyskers

unique thicket Jun 29, 2022, 10:49 PM

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I believe that was more mentioned in the later HH books from FW rather than the index astartes

calm pawn Jun 29, 2022, 10:50 PM

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Oh most certainly, but its still nice for builds

unique thicket Jun 29, 2022, 10:52 PM

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Lemme see if this will paste..

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Mortarion learned battle in a theatre of rocky mountainous terrain, without benefit of machinery. Though his considerable intellect allowed him to grasp the value of such support when his elevation to Primarch of a Space Marine Legion made such things as tanks and transport available, the primacy of the foot soldier remained ever the trademark of the Death Guard. Mortarion preferred to utilise huge waves of infantry, well-equipped and highly-trained on an individual level. He demanded that they be able to function and fight in almost any kind of atmosphere, and gave little emphasis on specialised units using jump packs or bikes. In fact, the Death Guard did not have dedicated Assault and Tactical squads as such; all his Space Marines were expected by Mortarion to be equally adept with bolter, pistol and close combat weapon, to fight with whatever weapon circumstance dictated. Such doctrine lent itself well to the use of Tactical Dreadnought armor, and the Death Guard regularly used Terminators before the Heresy. The Death Guard were particularly renowned for their success at such high-risk missions as space hulk clearance and the Plague Marines continue that success,

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I believe the line about Bolter, Pistol and CCW were the reason that the original plague marines over the years were allowed to have an extra attack for their CCW even whilst wearing a bolter

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I've always felt it was a shame that this wasn't carried into the 30k rules, but firing on the move kinda makes up for it somewhat :D hehe

spice vortex Jun 30, 2022, 12:12 AM

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That fluff certainly influenced me throwing chainswords on everything, as much for aesthetics as anything. Not sure how wise it’ll be in 2.0 but I don’t really fancy ripping apart the few models I’ve actually finished now

distant karma Jun 30, 2022, 1:34 AM

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DG are based in trench warfare too, especially aesthetically of which snipers are a vital part.

austere siren Jun 30, 2022, 9:24 AM

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I tried to build a Vigilator last night

spice vortex Jun 30, 2022, 9:34 AM

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My take-so long as they look functional, they would use whatever was the appropriate tool. Minimal fancy armour decoration nonsense, otherwise go nuts

austere siren Jun 30, 2022, 9:56 AM

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I tried to use a spare age of darkness praetor cloak as a camo cloak

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It has not worked

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