Horus Heresy - Third Edition

[brittle gorge]

Keeping in mind: The third black book came out only a couple months before 7th edition did, so the first three books were all 6th (and maybe even written for 5th?). It’s totally possible to update the rulebook and not trash the Libers, so that’s what I’m hoping for.

[crisp aurora]

Argh people keep saying the book has leaked - clearly fishing - but has it?

[humble bolt]

Sounds on brand for the current rules writers.

Need to add "further nerfs to tsons because they looked at them funny"

[spark bay]

30k has always had terrible balance 5 factions in the game and all of them are busted lmao

[merry fern]

Tbf. Daemons, Marines, Mech, Custodes, SolAux, Militia are already more than 5. And its even more variation if we're splitting marines in Blackshields, Shattered legions and normal legions, and splitting Mech in Taghmata, Knights and Titan Legios.

HH is not as samey as people often say. Even if "basic" Marine on Marine action is still the core of the game ofcourse.

[fading swift]

If they are all busted then it's balanced

[willow belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/the-incredibles-syndrome-ang-when-everyones-super-no-one-will-be-super-heroes-gif-5389961

[visual nest]

People will say "HH is just Marine vs Marine!!!" like most 40k tables aren't already LSM vs LSM.

[glossy yoke]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer30k/comments/1kljp13/i_undistorted_the_back_of_the_leaked_box_for/
Someone on reddit undistorted the back of the box for a better view

And someone in the comments tried translating the text on the side and got as follows:

"~ THIS BOX CONTAINS ~

Warhammer The Horus Heresy - Age of Darkness 356 page Third Edition Hardback Rulebook

Plastic Tactical XXXXX & Objective Tokens

Two Rules Reference Sheets

Twenty six-sided Dice & one Scatter Dice

Templates, one Range Ruler & one Transfer Sheet

Introductory Rules & Construction Guide

~ INCLUDES 50 CITADEL MINIATURES ~

One Saturnine Praetor

One Centurion in MKII Power Armour

One Saturnine Dreadnought

One Arachae (?) Quad Accelerator Platform

Six Saturnine Terminators

Forty Legionaries in MKII Power Armour

Two sets of Disintegrator Weapons"*

[spark bay]

Busted has two ways, busted good and busted bad

[fading swift]

Busted is busted

[humble bolt]

Probably meant Arachanid or arachne

Seeing how the tarantula exists Already I guess it makes sense for the other variants to be spider based

[glossy yoke]

Ye that's what I am thinking

Interested to see the return of disintegrator weapons too

[quasi phoenix]

honestly that text is harder to read than the original pics

[glossy yoke]

A little but it does make seeing the minis easier

[solid lynx]

So what are the odds we think the Throne of Skulls event at WHW at the end of June will use the new rules?

In other words, it’d be good for GW to release some kind of rules note or article ahead of the event so people can plan armies but also flights and hotels (if they decide not to attend for instance)

[visual nest]

They probably will. There was an event which went up before the 2.0 announcement, and they sent out a message a month or so before saying "we're using the new edition rules." They might do summat differently this time of course, but.

[solid lynx]

Hopefully they do it soon. Though it’ll be tough cuz if they announce the new edition the 28th, preorders prolly won’t be up until the following week (6/7th) which means release around the 21st which is a week before the event

[visual nest]

Hmm, now I think about it, that might be cutting it a bit too close. I figure they'll let you know either way, just because there's probably people already messaging them asking what's gonna happen.

They're usually pretty good about that kind of thing.

[jade warren]

Well since I'm going to Throne of Skulls with my Auxilia next month I do really hope that the rumours of backwards compatibility indexes is true, or else I suppose ill have to get a refund as god know how long it'll take them to update non-legions 🤷‍♂️

[fickle anchor]

Enjoy

[tropic linden]

Abiy late

[river vector]

So did you buy it

[fickle anchor]

Nah

[raven compass]

Honestly, I would just double the hull points of every vehicle to solve that.

[fast shell]

Bold I like it

[pale niche]

My fix for the problem
Remove sunder from LC
Give every vehicle 2 more HP
Make a rule so that if a vehcile has 50% or more hullpoints left, and gets an explode result, it just taked d3 HP instead and if its below 50% it pops.

[solid herald]

Brutal isnt a problem in itself. Works great for Typhon or Demolishers. The problem is that hammers and dreadnoughts have it (although i wouldnt mind Levi with Brutal2)

[pale niche]

Brutal on spamable platforms is the problem, TBH TH needs to lose Brutal, it does noneed it at all.

[whole pumice]

I’m fine with brutal two contemptors. Points just need to justify it. Base load out of double heavy bolter resolves the issue

Their fist should be better than a power fist

[normal garnet]

What would you give to thanmers then?

S10?

[pale niche]

The problem with burtal on hammers is that it effectivly doubles the amount of saves you force on your oponent for only 5 more points.

[carmine jackal]

There are arguments both ways, but my point about feedback still stands

[pale niche]

Nothing, they get S x2 just like a fist, the +5 points you get concussive

[carmine jackal]

Concussive and Sunder

[fast shell]

If anything I think the game could use more brutal lol

[carmine jackal]

That's what tey had in v3 Playtest

[fast shell]

Just have less of it be the S8 AP 2 variety

And have it happen after saves to not slow the game down

[pale niche]

It could use more brutal but not on the places people think.

Also brutal needs to work like Brutal(x/y) where a wound roll of x results in y wounds.
Things like Chain sowrds should have Brutal(6/2) for example

I also think the same for breaching, it shoudl be breaching(x/y) Wound roll of x results in AP of 2, and then give it to things like auto canons,
AC gets breaching(4/3) and rending(6)

[fast shell]

Ohhh bold I like it.

But yeah, a damage stat (which is what brutal is) isn't bad. It's something I quite like in the post 7th Ed's of 40k since it's a nice difference to the very toughness reliant and not consistent ID

[carmine jackal]

Also brutal needs to work like Brutal(x/y) where a wound roll of x results in y wounds.
Things like Chain sowrds should have Brutal(6/2) for example
Absolutely not

[pale niche]

Its an example not a hand it needs it

[carmine jackal]

That would be awful to play in to on every model in a despoiler/assault squad

[pale niche]

Brutal on S8 weapons that are very easily obtainable is really the big problem.
TH need to go back to just being S x2 with concusive, tahts it.

[brittle gorge]

Yeah that would still make them better against infantry than chainfists, and chainfists still better against vehicles

[pale niche]

It would just be better for the health of a game over all. Right now for example, powerfists are completely pointless

[solid herald]

They are the coolest tho

Power fists that is

[pale niche]

Facts

[ruby token]

fists are peak warhammer

[pale niche]

Just like single lightening claw terminators are the coolest melee option.

[cloud thunder]

That leaves little options for weapons to cover dreadnoughts outside lascannons.

[ruby token]

they might tone down dreadnoughts some other way such that having an answer to them is no longer as important

[flat veldt]

third edition is crazy considering they haven’t even finished moving everything to plastic

[vapid sequoia]

Also haven't heard the best things about it to

[true dagger]

They’re pretty close, aside from the legion ones, right?

[flat veldt]

pretty sure there’s still a fair few bits of solar auxilia stuff to go

and sisters to boot who haven’t even gotten a look in

[true dagger]

Oh yeah, the alt factions

[cloud thunder]

Dreadnoughts being toned down would help, but AP2 and S8 will likely continue reigning supreme no matter what.

[willow belfry]

By that logic, 40k 10e is crazy since they havent finished releasing votann and WE from 9e