industrial-professions

[crimson oak]

you'll be pleasantly surprised by the bonus rewards though 🙂

[dapper mesa]

Well this is fun, waiting for a fkn terminal to refresh

[crimson oak]

be prepared for a lot of frustrating bugs! I hope you're a patient individual by nature.

[rocky wasp]

Oh im very patient lol i love these early access games.

Like the only reason im getting this is for mining and hopes for the future updates.

[crimson oak]

well i hope you enjoy the game in the mean time!

i love the mining in this game, its super relaxing, when its a stable patch.

takes a wee while to figure out though

[rocky wasp]

Is flight easier when using a HOTAS?

[nocturne adder]

If I have a refinery going before the wipe will I be able to collect it after

[crimson oak]

after the wipe? nope

[dapper mesa]

Not impressed, ran medical supplies through the blockade, sold them, mission objective updated to "sell medical supplies to Hur L5" and no bonus given

I'll try again on the next one, prolly just unlucky

[dire spoke]

man the game is taunting me

i just rented a prospestor to try out mining

this is the 2nd rock i cant mine

previous one was 35% quantanium 5600 mass 60 resist

[topaz coyote]

@dire spoke bruh.. mining quant with rented prospector is not going to work well...

[vast bridge]

yeah with a rented prospector you can only crack rocks up to about 4800 mass.

[crimson oak]

how many runs did you manage before it ended?

[dapper mesa]

I only did the one since it didn't work right, then went and joined the fight lol

Everybody I asked said there was supposed to be a bonus for every load. I dropped off a full c2 of medical supplies and the mission didn't even complete lol.

[crimson oak]

id try again next one

[stoic harbor]

Irl money 😅

[umbral sandal]

Anyone able to help me with the basics of hand mining and what to do? Im trying to make some money because there are no delivery jobs ready

[ember grail]

Do you know how to hand mine? Are you looking for location recommendations and tips or need more basic guidance?

[umbral sandal]

No idea of anything. I bought the tool and the attachment and just tried to fly to microtech to try and start but my game crashed

Basically I know nothing at all

Someone said microtech was a good spot so yeah

[ember grail]

I would look up a guide on YouTube with hand mining. It can be hard to explain what rocks look like without a visual

[umbral sandal]

Alright, all i know is to keep it in the green and keep it centered on one spot. I know that because of a video I watched

[umbral sandal]

Also every tutorial is like 6 months old so idk if that will change anything

[serene furnace]

best laser for roc ds and prospector? And best area to mine with them?

also how do I collect the ores once I mine them with both vehicles

[ember grail]

The basics should still remain the same. You essentially have two options: 1) accept a cave bounty, which requires FPS combat, 2) fly around in your ship and look for gems to mine

[ember grail]

Stock ROC laser is fine. For ROC, Aberdeen/Daymar, for Prospector Aaron halo. Haven't Prospector mined so can't comment in loadout

[umbral sandal]

Could I fly around in my ship and look for caves? Or would I have to look for nodes on the surface

[ember grail]

Mining vehicles have an extraction mode that sucks up the items once they drop. Note that the ROC-DS has separate seats for the driver and mining operator

[ember grail]

It'd be pretty difficult even if you know where the caves are. There will likely be enemies there regardless of whether you have a bounty active

[umbral sandal]

so I shouldnt hand mine

[ember grail]

I would recommend renting a ROC and Cutty Black for gem mining, you can recoup the rental cost in 1 run

[umbral sandal]

I got 18k lmao

I dont even know if thats enough. Like said I got the game today

[ember grail]

It's not, but luckily there's plenty else you can do to grind a bit more out!

[grand shell]

ok which mining head breaks quant? cause i cant get the stupid bar to move for shit

anyone?

or is this just dead chat

[vast bridge]

Lancet

[vast bridge]

Lancet head, with surge module is best

[dapper mesa]

Trying to stock up on medical supplies for the event, but apparently everyone else is doing the same lol

[ember grail]

If you're not having luck filling up prior to the start of a blockade, restock rates increase dramatically once the event starts

[nocturne adder]

Can you mine quantanium with a rented prospector

[ember grail]

You'll probably want to outfit it with what Mhisery said (lancet + surge). Just make sure you unequip the components prior to the rental period expiring

[dapper mesa]

Ah ok, was wondering how I got lucky enough to fill up completely earlier lol

[nocturne adder]

Oh I didn’t know you could change the components on a rented ship

[dapper mesa]

No you can't mine quant practically with a rental

You can't change components

[nocturne adder]

But you can change the lasers and stuff?

[dapper mesa]

No

Can't change anything, rental prospectors are ok for other types of ores, but not quant due to the instability and not being able to change laser or equip modules

[nocturne adder]

Ah I see

[dapper mesa]

But you can go find laranite/bexalite/taranite and make some decent money

[ember grail]

Damn totally thought you could swap components on rented ships

PTU has shop search bars!

[nocturne adder]

What colours are these

[nocturne adder]

Since when?😂

[ember grail]

Since now I guess

[serene furnace]

how do I deploy the mining laser on the prospector lol

[ember grail]

Apparently you can already do Red Wind delivery missions

[topaz burrow]

press M

[vast bridge]

unfortunately you cant equip optional equip on rentals

[stoic harbor]

3 even

Fuck well I just realized this will be nothing comming the soon wipe

[marble crater]

not really if you learnt how to use the Prospector

[stoic harbor]

Already knew that from using the rented

And roc

[marble crater]

cool

[stoic harbor]

That run was purely for money 😅 but what will that update bring?

[marble crater]

update will wipe everything except rep

so go farm rep

[stoic harbor]

Ya but what will the update add?

[marble crater]

#sc-patch-notes

[vast bridge]

do you turn in the meds for the blockade inside the station?

[ember grail]

Yep, sell it at the admin trade terminal like you normally would

Just make sure you accept the contract once you get there for the bonus 1000 aUEC per SCU of medical supplies

[glacial dagger]

Indeed. make sure you have the contract, as you should get 1000aUEC per SCU as well 😄

[vast bridge]

admin trade terminal? which level is that on?

[ember grail]

Always in the galleria at lagrange point rest stops

[glacial dagger]

Gallery

Room with an orange front

During the event, look for where the magority of people are running 😄

[ember grail]

^During the blockade while on foot, all allies will be marked with an arrow on your HUD

[vast bridge]

ugh, my marker still says it's 8000 meters outside the station LOL

[ember grail]

You can fly a little out of the quantum dampening area and QT to the lagrange point station

[vast bridge]

i'm inside the station now at the terminal. making about 10k profit on a cutty's worth. I guess I'll get another k when I hit sell?

[glacial dagger]

Should do, yj

[vast bridge]

thanks guys. worked like a champ.

[glacial dagger]

Great thing with the medical supplies mission for 9T is that you make profit on the cargo it'self, but you also make 1000aUEC for every SCU you deliver whilst you have the contract

TBH, I really wish that CIG could increase the number of Hostile AI around the station to make flying in that much more difficult

[vast bridge]

yeah it was easier than i expected

damn..maybe I should rent a bigger freighter. LOL

[glacial dagger]

Largest you can rent is a Constellation Andromeda. Ideally, you would be looking to get your hands on a C2. with 696 SCU, you can earn 696,000 aUEC per full load on meds 😄

[vast bridge]

best place to rent ships? cargo centers on L stations?

[hallow fractal]

Yummi 😄 Also: Have you ever encountered this issue with the ROC mining laser? Look at where I'm aiming and where the laser aims 😄

[vast bridge]

hit z and reset your freelook.

[hallow fractal]

Tried, did not work. I'll try to reclaim my ROC

[misty coyote]

What's the markup like on Medical supplies for this run now?

[glacial dagger]

Not sure, I havn't hada chance to run it yet due to work and then moving leter on

[hallow fractal]

Can I write something in Hungarian? Just to attact people? 😄

[ember grail]

Selling price seems to be nominal, but you get 1000 aUEC extra for every SCU of meds

[misty coyote]

Oh damn!!

Just before a wipe occurs

[hallow fractal]

Can I? 😄

[glacial dagger]

I mean, what are you gonna write?

And why are you trying to attract them?

[dire spoke]

well now i know xd

[hallow fractal]

Just to lure them. Ther is a "habit" among Hungarians to write a specific sentence and then everybody knows: Yeap.. .that is a Hungarian allright 😄

Bojler nálam eladó! 😁

[vivid sorrel]

🤔 Google translates that as: I have a boiler for sale 😄

[fading nebula]

does the base mole have good enough lasers for quant

[rose cove]

Like "I am Hungarian?"

[hallow fractal]

Yes, but Bojler eladó is funnier 😛

[fading nebula]

whats the best thing to mine outside of quant

[tight raptor]

Hadanite, maybe?

[vivid sorrel]

If we're talking prospector\mole mining the greens. But even there you see that Quant is basically double the worth

[topaz burrow]

seems like there are some changes to scanning in 3.17.2 but because you start with 10k money noone earned enough for a prospector yet :d

[tight raptor]

I'll do 2 bunkers and then go straight for roc/freelancer combo

[molten wolf]

not sure if this belongs here, but how do i get medical supplies for the event. im at trade and stock but see no medical supplies

[tight raptor]

You gotta buy them (check pinned messages in jt-nt event chat). Then go to the barricade and you'll get a mission supplies needed

[fading nebula]

is selling raw materials just like completely bugged

[gaunt fiber]

has been for me for a long time... at least at ARC L1 - the kiosk never recognized my Prospector

[hallow fractal]

Dang it. After 2h of mining my game crashed with a ROC full with Hadenite. OFC, after loging back, the ROC was empty 😭 😂

[wary cradle]

Hey guys, Hadenite is only on Hurston's Moons ?

[onyx crow]

no

[wary cradle]

Hadenite isn't on your screenshot ^^"

[onyx crow]

sorry

[wary cradle]

Well doesn't seem it's worth it to be around MT for Hadanite

[onyx crow]

nah,

either aberdeen, arial or daymar

hurston or crusader

[wary cradle]

Hmm.. Okay, thanks.

[onyx crow]

np

[wary cradle]

Great community here, glad I joined this Discord ^^"

[fading nebula]

i guess i have to refine ores, since i cant sell them raw

[north kite]

You can

Next to the refining terminal is a place to sell

Idk why you would ever sell unrefined ore but you can

[onyx crow]

If you're ever in a hurry I guess

[mental aurora]

Probably for the first load so you can afford refining at the start

[stoic edge]

do i sell medical supplies at admin in grim hex?

[vivid sorrel]

Check this, but i don't see Grim hex as an option to sell at all there

https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/Medical Supplies

[pastel herald]

What new gadgets are good for prospector quantanium mining?

It's been a long time since I've mined it, is lancet still the best mining head?

[scarlet rover]

Lancet is what most start with, but I've seen experienced quant miners use Helix

with FLTR to up yield or Focus to let you tackle larger rocks

[pastel flame]

Lancet, Surge.

Gadgets if you want to use Helix

[vast bridge]

so when to medical supply runs to blockaded station start again?

[pastel herald]

I can't see my mining heads in inventory

Like the local inventory

[crimson oak]

maybe check niknax

[crimson oak]

July 4th

[vast bridge]

where did you buy them at?

[ember grail]

Check pinned messages in #4-8-0-live
#4-8-0-live message

[proven path]

C2 vs m2?

[ember grail]

I'd say C2, M2 doesn't serve a role that another ship can't fill

[proven path]

Alright thanks for help c2 it is

[north oyster]

you may know this but I wanted to throw it out there ... you know a game wipe is coming next week except for earned reputation, right? Mining is sort of bugged at the moment. The Prospector does work great for the most part but I keep getting the "vanishing ore" bug where all the raw Quantainium would just vanish out of the ship.

All the refinery stores are fubar, so you need to get the Lancet from Dumpers at Port Olisar, Shubin at New Babbage or Tammany&Sons in Lorville

[north oyster]

The heavy armor of the M2 will make it extreme durable in combat zones when that mechanic is eventually implements, aka Soon(TM). For gameplay currently, if considering trade, the C2 is the win. For hostilities and having a team, the M2 is the best route.

[onyx crow]

Is there somewhere I can sell waste?

https://sc-trade.tools/best-buyer?q=%257B%2522ship%2522:%2522C2%2520Hercules%2522,%2522investment%2522:1000000,%2522itemName%2522:%2522Waste%2522,%2522itemQuantity%2522:3200,%2522showDetails%2522:true,%2522itemNames%2522:%255B%255D,%2522itemNamesType%2522:%2522whitelist%2522,%2522locationNames%2522:%255B%2522Stanton%2520%253E%2520CRU%2520L1%2520%253E%2520CRU-L1%2520Ambitious%2520Dream%2520Station%2522%255D,%2522locationNamesType%2522:%2522whitelist%2522,%2522avoidHiddenLocations%2522:false%257D is saying to sell it at the Refinement Center at Cru L1 but I'm not seeing where to sell it

nor at the admin station

[ember grail]

For some reason. you are not currently able to sell waste. I believe this stopped working sometime post ILW

[onyx crow]

Is there an eject cargo button on the c2 hercules by chance?

[ember grail]

There's a jettison cargo keybind, though I haven't been able to get it to work

[onyx crow]

Do we have any idea how long it takes for materials to respawn at a location to buy?

[ember grail]

Around 1-2 minutes

[onyx crow]

a few every few minutes?

or what kind of #'s are we talking?

[north oyster]

the Jettison cargo only works for mining ships with volatile ore (Quantainium) the only way to get the ship clear of cargo is to reclaim it

[north oyster]

Check SC Trade Tools site, it post all the refresh rates for each station and material they sell

Remember, you are competing against all players on all servers at the same time, available commodities is common across all servers

[onyx crow]

where it says 14m 33s

that's how long it takes for laranite to refill?

at that station?

or that's the time of the trip?

[hardy mesa]

Time of trip

[pine basalt]

Nice that.

[north oyster]

Laranite? You are best to give that up and just grab what is on hand along with titanium

The ghost of laranite just won't die

Two years later after the heyday of the Laranite rush and players still seek it

CIG killed that puppy

Also "fill at the station" won't happen because there are other players hitting the Kiosk and clicking "Buy" the whole time it is trying to refill

Laranite is available on the PTU server

[pastel herald]

I know 3.17.2 is coming fast but I just don't have time right now, I would rather spend this time learning and refining my mining method to prepare for tbe update even though I'll never reap tbe rewards

[north oyster]

The biggest change is how ping is done. Master this and your Prospector will print money

[pastel herald]

Is it still the same as before where I look out the side window and slowly roll to see the rocks?

In the Aaron belt

[timber venture]

hey guys im buying the lancet for my prospector

not sure if its the MH1 or MH2

[pine basalt]

Prospector can only use MH1....Mole can use both.

[marble crow]

what do i mine?

[pine basalt]

Make the most money....quantanium.

[misty coyote]

Crack all rocks, then hoover the blue rocks.... Don't move on to another rock, just bug out.

[marble crow]

ok

[worn dock]

I'm starting to worry that my love for the Hull series is going to cause me heartbreak later on, since they can't defend themselves

[hardy mesa]

B and c won't be bad d and e will need escorts and a will regularly be ignored

[worn dock]

oh I hope so. I'm hoping the B shows up in the Foundation Week sale and that I can CCU chain into it and save a few bucks.

[onyx crow]

Where can I currently buy the Lancet MH1?

[ember grail]

!itemfinder any location that's not a Lagrange point refinery since those terminals are bugged

[wary tusk]

Universal Item Finder

Use the website to search for any item (and where to buy them) in-game.

[onyx crow]

right.... but isn't it screwed up to where you can only get it at a particular place right now?

[ember grail]

Looks like these are the two places you can get one right now

[onyx crow]

thank you

[crimson oak]

https://finder.cstone.space/ this is a great site for finding where to buy ships, modules, ammo etc, highly recommend a bookmark

[distant ridge]

The fact that it’s not server-wide is ridiculous

[misty coyote]

Lorville too.

[wary cradle]

Hey guys, Why everyone is using Lancet Head when it seems there is better mining head ?

[crimson oak]

lancet lowers the resistance of quantanium

[fading escarp]

cos it has a better stability modifier

[crimson oak]

which is great because quantanium has very high resistance stats, so lancet makes it easier to mine quant on the whole

[fading escarp]

and a higher resistance modifier

[wary cradle]

So Lancet is "Specialized" in Quant Mining ?

[crimson oak]

in practice yeah

you could stick to helix and use those new mining consumables, the little mines you clamp to a rock, theres one that gives a similar resistance effect.

but that's extra effort as well as expense

[fading escarp]

my mole setup involved 2x lancets, 1x helix, for a higher 'vacuum' throughput. Tho they both reach the goal.

[wary cradle]

So.. What's the effect of the "Power" of the head ?

Because Helix is 2.3k & Lancet is only 1.4k

I don't understand how it works..

[fading escarp]

Theory: You be charging up the roids, when they reach their breaking point they'll shard up. For boulders, they have 3 steps (last one being the 'vacuum' up).

stability is how much you need to adjust the power bar, as it jumps up and down.

With these two heads, you have 3 mod slots. With this mod slots you can add things that will do 2 things, 1 beneficial, 1 detrimental. Your job is finding the ones that fit your style.

[wary cradle]

and about the Resistance ?

[fading escarp]

example: Focus has a Resistance (beneficial), instability (detri)

[wary cradle]

Because, i can Split 8T rocks but can't some 6T

[fading escarp]

so they are resisting your power dump. or nullifying parts of your work. With mods you can change those values.

Focus III - -10% resist, +4% instability. So while you reduce their resistance you increase the instability (jumping up and down).

[wary cradle]

So, if i understand correctly, i could take My Helix with 3 mods that lower resistance & crack more heavy Rocks ?

[crimson oak]

There are 3 important things that affect mining; (1) Power (the strength of your laser, how fast it "charges", (2) Resistance (kinda like the "defences" of the rock, how hard it is to mine), (3) Instability (The higher this is the more unstable the charging will be, it will jump up and down, making it hard to stay in the "sweet spot" in the green)

[fading escarp]

just, but can only put 1 of each type of mod. Not like Eve where we put multiples.

[wary cradle]

So i could only put 1 Focus 3 ?

[fading escarp]

if you put multiple it picks the highest value and ignores others

[wary cradle]

huh.. Sad..

[fading escarp]

so, each person/player are different and we all have our own styles.

[wary cradle]

I wish i could put 3 Focus III xD

[fading escarp]

My intel.

[wary cradle]

I guess 1 Focus III, 1 Vaux C3 & 1 FLTR-XL could be great

[fading escarp]

In my case, I often goes Focus, Torrent, Vaux/Rieger

tho I have mates that mixes that up - at relies heavily on the active mods

meaning they can solo crack way larger ones than I can.

[wary cradle]

I wish Buying Stations work xD

[fading escarp]

with the mole, you can coop on the boulders between the 3 turrets

[wary cradle]

Guess, I'll wait 3.17.2

[fading escarp]

with the prospector, you can coop between 2 pros'

which is where ppl debates if you should bring 1 mole or 3 pros

[wary cradle]

Mole have Size 2 so.. it be logical that's a better option.

[fading escarp]

(yes I know the mole has 1 pilot and 3 turrets = 4 ppl)

yes, that is where the debate starts and if the S2 are really that much bigger than the S1

ppl have shown numbers, research, papers, and arguments

again back to play style

(the mole pilot can easily change down to a turret)

[wary cradle]

Yeah, i guess the more comfortable you are, the better it is :)

Well, thanks for the Advice :)

[fading escarp]

there's a little trick with boulder cracking, to move the beam around. Up to a certain color, you then aren't as efficient pumping power in. But if you move the beam you then start pumping the max in. It then takes a little time for that spot to dissipate the energy, where you can then charge up a new area. We feel we quicker reach the goal post.

if what we feel equals actual time... that is debated by physics (lol), math and heating metal

you'll see and hear oldtimers telling you to move in circles on boulders.

[wary cradle]

I Draw circles on them xD

[misty coyote]

I usually, in space, spin around them drawing a belt.

You're guaranteed to get a place you've not hit yet.

[fading escarp]

yeah, but my starting point has usually dissipated enough when I circle round to that spot again ..

pending, I either move the entire pros or I press g and move the turret .. sometimes I need to move the ship and not just the turret..

especially if I get in the red zone

kabooooommm...

beams loose energy over distance. So the closer the better, but that is also closer to the big bang

again back to play style

I feel SC is good at catering the different style. Move too much on the axis, then this effect comes into play. Move in the other direction, then this comes into play.

leave it to the individual how far they are comfortable sitting at. there's a high chance you can find a player saying you need to sit on the boulder.

[misty coyote]

G?

Does that alow the mining head ship free movement?

[hallow fractal]

Protecting the ROC 😄

The most effective protection of miners? 😄

[topaz burrow]

oh look a penny

[viscid hazel]

Does anyone have any clue how important role ship sizes will play in the future?

Thinking of buying a daily driver and pondering between the Freelancer or Constellation.

And by ship sizes i mean their ability to go through the jump gates, will that be important?

[elfin plover]

Morning

I bought the prospector and someone told me I’d need to upgrade the mining head

[sage dragon]

Lancet is recommended

[elfin plover]

Thanks

[gritty wharf]

What's teh best website for finding trade routes? I found a website last night, it directed me to sell at Port Olisar.....it didn't accept teh goods 😦

[sage dragon]

https://sc-trade.tools/home

https://www.gallog.co/trading

https://uexcorp.space/

there's a few sites to check out

[gritty wharf]

Ill try the 2nd one, I tried the first one you linked but was sad I couldn't give a departure station there

I'll save em all just in case tho, thanks bud

[sage dragon]

the issue with not accepting goods... did it still show up at the console, but you just couldn't click sell? Then they are full on that commodity and you'll have to wait. If it doesn't show up at all.. then I think that place doesn't accept that commodity and the website must be wrong/not updated to tell you to go there

[gritty wharf]

Nah, they didn't buy it at all

https://sc-trading.kamille.ovh/trading/ it was this one

Told me to sell Scrap to Port Olisar

I ended up finding scrapyard on Daymar, so no issue there, but it did mess up the trade route

[sage dragon]

I think it told you wrong then, I'm not really a cargo trader, only tried it a very few times, but if it doesn't even show up as sellable then I'm pretty sure that station doesn't want that particular commodity

[gritty wharf]

Yea, website was wrong 😛

[serene quest]

I think the problem with cargo right now is around Vice, Kind of annoying you can only sell at GH or that one hidden terminal. It's also SUPER odd that the hidden terminal buys for much less according to the sites.

Vice is the only commodity worth selling in smaller amounts (in a starter ship). So if you're looking to make a big profit on the smuggling side (in a smaller ship), not ONLY do you have to deal with the potential for a CS, and PVP, but you can only sell in one location, which greatly affects stock.

I think CIG really needs to consider including more hidden terminals, where the higher the sec, the greater the risk and therefore the greater the profit... to some degree at the very least.

[misty coyote]

Whilst I agree that the vice aspect is too niche, the problem is static pricing. Copper is never going to change, regardless of if there is a drive in electronics productions in Yela. So there is no point hauling it.

The price difference for abundance and demand just isn't enough too to make it worth while, and those demands don't change.

Add in hauling missions, like medical supplies to Crusader.... And you start to see healthy need for hauling.

[serene quest]

Oh but that'll change with Quanta

We'll start seeing bigger shifts in prices as that rolls out. It won't be HUGE by any means according to CIG, but I'm hoping that commodities that are near each other in price, will see some overlap if not incur gains and losses enough to pass each other in terms of profit.

What I want to see are times where it's actually less profitable over time to mine things like Quant over something like Lara

it might mean you have to bore into your profits more at the refinery to get those quick gains, but that gameplay loop would be hang more around capitalizing not only what you're mining but when to sell.

Sitting on orders until prices went up would be a great idea then

[misty coyote]

👍 👍

[elfin plover]

how do i find things i can mine in space?

[shell edge]

There are several places, but the Aaron Halo is probably the best location - as it can not be reached by markers, you will have to break quantum at the right place to get there: https://cstone.space/resources/knowledge-base/36-refinery-to-aaron-halo-mining-routes

[elfin plover]

im at HUR L2 refinery right now trying to buy a mining head. Is that not possible here?

[shell edge]

does the shop terminal work?

[elfin plover]

it looks like they are off

[shell edge]

there is a bug with some of the shop terminals currently (working in 3.17.2)

I know that Tammany and Son works

at Lorville

[ember grail]

^All the refinery shop terminals are broken in live

[elfin plover]

so i cant mine?

[shell edge]

I just said the shop in Tammany and Sons work 🙂

in Lorville

[elfin plover]

sorry missed it lol

going to my ship now

[ember grail]

!itemfinder

[wary tusk]

Universal Item Finder

Use the website to search for any item (and where to buy them) in-game.

[rigid zenith]

Gotta question for my space delivery guys out there: I mainly run deliveries and bust bunkers. My daily driver is a cutlass black but I wanted to trade in my cargo space for something with a bit more fight.

I bought a warden but may have gone overboard 😅.

Basically in my mind I want a fighter with solid stowage and space for boxes. I feel like I'm just describing a titan but was hoping for something a little cooler lol

[ember grail]

Next step up would probably be a Connie

[hollow sedge]

what happens to cargo when u store your ship/ log off

[crimson oak]

should be fine

unless its delivery boxes from a mission

[hollow sedge]

c2 3/4 full of med supplies @crimson oak

[dapper mesa]

You have to store your ship for cargo to be completely safe. Bed logging is not recommended with cargo.

[crimson oak]

yeah it will be fine then, assuming the above, proper station/city storage

properly prepared for NT i see!

[hollow sedge]

ok thanks

[floral jungle]

someone tested the mole in ptu if it works again ?

[umbral sandal]

Hey just to let you know, I bought a cutty black and roc. What am I suppose to do now?

What planets are good for roc mining?

[crimson oak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zHbyLwXftM

[umbral sandal]

ty

[dreamy river]

Ime the warden is hard to beat as a bunker buster. Enough shields and firepower to take out turrets, tons of stowage, and can fit a 1 or 2 scu crate if you wanna really goblin-out

[rigid zenith]

I'm slowly getting acclimated to it but you're right. After upgrading the shields and the weapons to laser repeaters, turrets didn't even make a dent!!! I just wish it was a bit smaller to fit right up to the bunker ramp.

[dreamy river]

Yea it’s a little chunky but I find landing just to the side with my rear angled toward the entrance works well.

Pisces is another great choice but it will get eaten alive if there is more than one turret. And you lose the bed

[serene quest]

do the criminal deliveries give crime stat on completion?

[north oyster]

Tomorrow come the Nine Tails Lockdown, be sure to participate and earn reputation. This reputation will translate to more starting aUEC for your character after the WIPE of the game. Last time for the 3.15 Wipe, it was about an extra 100K to 200K aUEC. I think I got about 120K extra aUEC for my toon on the restart.

[winter mica]

?

[winter mica]

since when and where was it said

[north oyster]

No, it should not, you should earn reputation but no CS

[north oyster]

What said? The Wipe or the extra aUEC?

[winter mica]

what else other then aUEC would I care about?

idc about wipes as long as I can get aUEC

[north oyster]

you're speaking to me like I know who you are, what you care about ....

[winter mica]

ok

so are u gonna answer the question or are you gonna feed false info?

[north oyster]

if you come off as an asshole, I guess I'll let you think I'm feeding false info. so that works just fine for me.

[young wren]

[north oyster]

For others interested, the last time they did a wipe and gave extra aUEC for reputation, that is what it will be like

[winter mica]

i mean it was a genuine question but I guess you are shallow

[north oyster]

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/1/thread/alpha-3-17-2-database-wipe/5194778

[winter mica]

thats all I cared about thanks for the link

[north oyster]

being called shallow by you sort of reminds me of being called ugly by a frog. Fun stuff, nice way to enter the chat sport.

[static yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/britney-spears-play-nice-tsk-gif-14395145

[winter mica]

ok cool story dan

[serene quest]

Dope ty sir!

[cold stag]

quick question, For cargo missions am I suppose to move the items from the large container into my ships inventory then go on to delivery the items or am i suppose to take them in the large container? (only options for the large container is to loot )

[serene quest]

this fucking game

I just spent the last hour, on 3 delivery missions all going to the same places. Set up a route picking up multiple packages at the same location, and delivering 2/3 contracts to the same location... and ALL of that... just to have the game take a shit on me and not accept any of the packages I was attempting to deliver

so fucking annoyed

[stone tinsel]

Sad day, with the wipe coming I let my last refinery jobs finish up. loaded up my conni at ARCL1 with all the QT and items I needed and left for Everus harbor so I can play the events and screw around until the wipe

Weird to not do a single mining run when I log in

[cobalt rivet]

so im trying to do a investigate wreckage claim mission. it says deliver black box t o area 18, but I am at space port and have no clue where to put it

both objectives are checked off but the contract isnt complete

[ember grail]

You're looking for the Covalex shipping machine map_area18

[wary tusk]

Area 18 City Map

Graphic by Citko

[ember grail]

It should be at admin

[cobalt rivet]

where is admin relative to riker station

@ember grail

[ember grail]

Should be in ArcCorp tower

[cobalt rivet]

where that at

im right outside the city transit near the plaza

I ran into the big red buildings with the steps but I dont see a delivery terminal

this guy is not even responding

[ember grail]

You're looking for one of these

Oh wait, I think at Area 18 they're at the space port, next to the elevators to the hangars

[cobalt rivet]

ok

I found one near the fleet manager terminals but it says request not found

@ember grail

are you sure the blackboxes go here

[ember grail]

Oh, if it's a blackbox, it needs to be dropped off with the Admin officer, but he's currently bugged

List of bugged missions here
#helpdesk message

I didn't read your original question close enough, I should have recognized that

[cobalt rivet]

[robust pike]

first all in trade run. 237k profit and super short jump

[deep vector]

Wait till first 30k all in

9t?

[lyric nest]

i always do half, ive seen too many veteran players risk all in and lose everything, then act mad like they didnt know a 30k would or could happen lol

[deep vector]

Right
But boring)

[vivid sorrel]

30k isn't the end all, since there's protection now, and it should work

[glacial dagger]

30k protection only works if your inside the pilots seat when the crash happens

[deep vector]

Works 50% of times

[rigid basalt]

can't seem to get more cave contracts to spawn

[glacial dagger]

Might jsut be the region your in. Try hopping to one of the other systems and check around there. I believe Crusader, Hurston and Microtech are the better ones for it, not sure now many caves ArcCorp hase in it's vicinity

[rigid basalt]

currently in hurston and yeah only got 1 this hour

[glacial dagger]

I reccomend Microtech then

[rigid basalt]

gonna check it out now ty

[topaz burrow]

aye MT/Crusader is good for caves

[rigid basalt]

appreciate it

[molten swift]

aurora box when

[glacial dagger]

Well, considering the Mustang just got it's cargo box, should be too much longer

[vivid sorrel]

Worked 100% of times for me in a ship, and not ROC related (which always fails). But we all know YMMV.

[north oyster]

The heartbeat interim fix has done a good job, while it does not cover for client crashes, it works really well for server crashes

[undone socket]

can we purchase mining gagets in this patch?

[lyric nest]

yes

[molten wolf]

if i want to upgrade the mining drill, what stat should i look to increase?

[undone socket]

where refineries are bugged?

[molten wolf]

so i was mining quantum and my ship loss power. i was in the ghreen the whole time. what happened?

i can get the hud back but it will not fly.

[topaz burrow]

Wired , that's what usually happens when a rock explodes damaging you

[molten wolf]

huh maybe my hud bugged out?

also lets assume the rock did blow up. is my ship fubar?

[gaunt fiber]

depends how close your ship was to the rock... there's a mining attachment called "lifeline" which helps with the damage, and upgrading your shields will help too.

[rugged axle]

@undone socket you can purchase anything mining related at shubin inside New babbage. Upgrades, mods, and gadgets.

Good news is the refinery terminals are fixed in 17.2 ptu

[bright peak]

Hi guys, wanting to get into hauling and considering buying a Hull A. Any specific reason I should not other than the cost?

[misty coyote]

It's not as good as the Freelancer....

Which can be rented in game.

Only upshot of Hull and other cargo box types will be loading speed, which isn't in the game yet.

[north oyster]

You're buying with real dollars or aUEC?

[bright peak]

its only sold in real dollars, not sold in game yet.

[north oyster]

If I was going to spend real dollars, I would probably get the freelancer max because not only does it carry more cargo but it can also carry to ROC and do more things

I do not see trade being a viable option for small carriers until about this time next year

CIG hasn't said, but the Hull A could be available in game store this next patch

[keen slate]

Probably a decent while, 3.18 maybe?

[winter mica]

here too bruh

[bright peak]

Thanks.

[tight fractal]

Is there a “best place” to mining?

[north oyster]

Two best places
Lyria and Aaron's Halo

[molten wolf]

mining vendors.
more processing time=more yield?

[vast bridge]

pretty much

[molten wolf]

from what i noticted for my purposes dinyx is the best deal

[placid meteor]

what are the trading tools for space trucking?

[ember grail]

!tradetools, https://uexcorp.space/, and https://tradein.space/#/trade/route-finder/default

[wary tusk]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[gentle brook]

Ferron exchange is best rate for reward. The difference between ferron and dynx is 10k per full prospector load(and takes an extra 12hrs)

[molten wolf]

ok good to know. thank you

[oblique dove]

holy moly red wind dumps some stuff on you doesn't it

can you do several of them at once?

[oblique dove]

oh heh

i already see a problem with trying to do multiples

[deep vector]

Fatlancer overall better. Biggest plus of hull a: it can be spawned on blue pads

Yesterday bought it back

Done couple of flights

Gets blown away with wind horribly when taking off mining facilities on Hurston

But because it has same hp as terrapin it doesn’t care at all

Literally I was dragged on the ground and bumped into buildings - 5 auec repair bill

Also cozy af, best small ship, gold standard+

[slim relic]

as a big big fan of the constellation tarus i'm praying they make a corsair with extra space. i need a big multirole that doesn't look like an angry goose

[pliant cypress]

can u mine quantanium in a rented ship?

how do u even spell that

[glacial dagger]

YOu can mine Quantainium in a rented prospector, but you wont be able to crack too big a rock with not much quant inside it

[deep vector]

Platypus

[deep vector]

You shouldn’t

It’s like eating soup with a fork

[glacial dagger]

I'm not saying you should, I'm just saying you can

[misty coyote]

How big are the Quant rocks on Wala? They good for solo?

[glacial dagger]

Planet side quant is only really possible sole with a fully upgraded prospector or mole. You may stumble across a 6k rock that you will struggle to break otherwise

[quick sequoia]

time frame wise when do we expect the patch the reason I ask is I have been mining to get money as a new player and if we are being wiped then there is no point until it resets?

[verbal cargo]

yes, no point to play right now until the patch drops, probably soon after the free fly ends on July 18

[quick sequoia]

thanks

[rugged axle]

Right now. The only thing that makes sense is grind bunkers, delivery, or bounties. This wipe we get to keep reputation that we have already earned. So grind rep and be ready to make money after wipe

Or do like we were doing and just be a pirate lol. It's more fun ;)

[glacial dagger]

That's jsut it, I'm already ready to make more money 😄

[rugged axle]

I mean you can...but you don't get to keep it lol

[rugged axle]

Anyone mining in the ptu?

[bright peak]

no, didn't have enough credits to buy a roc

[rugged axle]

Hearing reports of quant refinement being 25% of payout. Which is absurd, wanted to see if anyone was doing it

[verbal cargo]

seriously?

[rugged axle]

If its true. Quant mining is basically dead. Would make a full load worth 180kish.

[verbal cargo]

well hopefully theres another AV glitch at some point 😂 they need to stop nerfing our ability to earn aUEC until the dynamic economy is up and running, then go ahead and do what you want to balance it.

[rugged axle]

I would rather see them lower the timer. Or increase possible interdictions.

[verbal cargo]

looking forward to mining missions so other ores are more valuable

[misty coyote]

This is fine.... If they reduce the hadenite mining profits.... Why bother mining quant when hadenite exists

[vagrant creek]

quantity

only so much hadnite in most cases where quant can be found in larger ammount

[rugged axle]

At 180k per load, you might as well mine bexalyte or whatever the 2nd one is. 44/scu. No timer.

[bright peak]

I can making over 200k in a single load of hadenite and I don't have to refine it

[vagrant creek]

i mostly get hadenite from cave missions easier than using a roc even

[misty coyote]

See, that's what I like about ore mining....

You do stage 1 until you're tired of it.... Then move to stage 2....hauling.... Which I love doing....

It's a happy little bonus.... But if you can jsut mine gems and make significantly more..... Something is off....

Especially with the price to entry on ore mining...

Isn't it about 30k ish to rent a ROC and Cutty?

[bright peak]

roc rental is about 4k per day

[vagrant creek]

don't even need to rent a roc just hit up the caves with a multitool

[bright peak]

32k for cutty? maybe

[vagrant creek]

I have walked out of a cave with 280k worth of hadinite between loot and minning with muti tool .

[rugged axle]

I'll get on the ptu after work and see if anyone in global is up to mining yet.

[bright peak]

I have been wanting a prospector for so long but haven't made enough yet, new to game. If they are dropping the value of quant well, there goes that.,

[vagrant creek]

never felt quant was overvalued for the pain of getting into it

it should be paying 500k+ per load just with the risk

expecialy with refining cost and transport cost to where you can sell it

[rugged axle]

When it can possibly take hours to find a rock actually worth mining(I know not the norm, but can happen). I don't see it overpriced at all

[marble crater]

Yeah if anything I felt they should raise the price for the other ores a little

[vagrant creek]

ya other ores should go up slightly

[bright peak]

i need to find something else thats more time efficient

[vagrant creek]

they really need to figure out how much auec some one should be able to make per hour max.

and also adjust prices on items to better reflect earning rate

[rugged axle]

I think if they had more players per server it would be OK. As you would have a much higher chance of being pirated.

[vagrant creek]

true

have to see how that balances out with server meshing

and with current minning and cargo proffits it isn't like you can afford hiring protection.

[rugged axle]

Like I said, instead of massively nerfing quant price. Lower the timer to 10mins, and increase ai interdiction chances.

Makes it more dangerous and less likely to land with 8minutes left

[marble crater]

Stuff has changed from ptu to live so I'll just wait & see what happens

[vagrant creek]

also ptu is still wave 1 got a while before it goes to pu

they did a small patch on it already but still wave 1

and cargo right now profits are really low unless you have a c2

[cerulean tree]

can't wait till cargo is physical and more systems, def getting a hauler at that point

space truckin

[vagrant creek]

really going to have to up profits if they make loading take that much longer..

[cerulean tree]

it's an afterthought at the moment tbh I'm sure they'll rebalance once they get to the whole thing

[vagrant creek]

Lots of rebalancing will have to happen before beta release once they get all the core features in game.

[deep vector]

Lold

When you master it it’s just time consuming

No risk

[misty coyote]

Still should be prospecting > ROC mining for the majority of ores.... Not just 1....

On an hourly basis... As you have to pay to refine then risk hauling

[hallow fractal]

Hello Citizens. May I ask for directions for a Greycat Industrial TruHold Tractor Beam Attachment? I don't seem to be able to find it in Tammary and Sons on Lorville 😦

[misty coyote]

Easy answer, is don't buy one.

Got to the Hurston mining centres and loot them.

[hallow fractal]

loot? From whom?

[misty coyote]

Loot boxes in the buildings.

Grey ones.

Good for multi tools, med guns, food, drink and Ratana Dung

[hallow fractal]

Cheers Mate

[misty coyote]

De nada.... Look out for the red boxes too.

Easiest way is to throw everything you want into local storage.... Jump in your ship and load up.

[vestal ravine]

The tractor beam attachment can be hit or miss in the Grey loot boxes. But I have not done the Hurston sites.

[hallow fractal]

And how do I loot them? They are all non-interactive object

[misty coyote]

There are some that are... Longer boxes... Not always there.

Light grey.

Check the corners and under things....

[hallow fractal]

Found 1! Thanks 😄

[misty coyote]

A great source of free stuff....

If a transfer all button existed, I'd go into the fruit business

[thin escarp]

@rugged axle i did not find the same info as you

on ptu

about quant.

lol so i suggest unless first hand knowledge maybe don't scare the masses here.

[rugged axle]

If they got scared when I clearly stated "rumors" and "I don't know"...

I was asking if anyone was to the point of mining in order to check the rumors.

But sure.

[bright peak]

That’s good news

[serene quest]

the fact that I can't complete simple delivery missions is fuckin mind boggling

[glacial dagger]

I wouldn't bother with box delivery missions, their hit and miss as it is 😄

[serene quest]

was tryin to build up some rep

but that shit is nigh impossible if it's not security

[viscid hazel]

I just got myself an Freelancer Base.

How viable it is to smuggle dope in SC?

Or is there other stuff i should be hauling?

[serene quest]

probably better to haul something else. While flat aUEC earned is higher selling vice, the real problem is stock availability at terminals when buying/selling.

[viscid hazel]

Thanks for the info!

[robust berry]

where do i go to mine in a roc?

what planet and or moon?

[worn dock]

Daymar. If you want to spend the money on a Pembroke hazard suit, Aberdeen is a bit better.

[robust berry]

im in a undersuit

but thanks mate

[worn dock]

go to all the mining outposts and look for rectangular red boxes with grey lids

they have random armor

[robust berry]

alr

[north oyster]

I’ve been mining in the PTU, no different than LIVE. One Prospector load was about 275K aUEC

[deep vector]

Mole?

[rugged axle]

Sounds good @north oyster

Was contemplating pledging a prospector, so I'll go ahead and do that now lol

[north oyster]

I also have a pledged Prospector also, it's a key factor in my bounce back plan to wealth

[topaz burrow]

my plan is to handmine -> rent cutty+roc -> prospector -> 890j

[north oyster]

I even have an LTI ROC with my Taurus that also counts

[north oyster]

That is actually a solid plan

[north oyster]

Our Plan ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Qw3uftxgBw

one of my favorite SC videos out there

[topaz burrow]

bruh this is beautiful

[north oyster]

it's my SC story for sure

[grand steppe]

Is the mole pretty much broken until 3.17.2?

k i hadnt used mine in ages and i couldnt suck up anything or see inventory.

[topaz burrow]

yup, it's borked to the death atm

[grand steppe]

bummer, well friend and I at least had some fun 2 manning it.

[topaz burrow]

i know.... I bought Mole at the start of .1, kitted it out and never used it. Now will be wiped

[glacial dagger]

It cant collect rn, yh, but it can still defo break stuff down 😄

[grand steppe]

ya I went and got 2 lancets and helix, last night too. haha

oh well.

[topaz burrow]

sad miner noises

[glacial dagger]

S'all good. Mole stays out in the field breaking stuff down, a prospector comes along to scoop it all up

It's what I'm planning a mining event this weekend around

[grand steppe]

its so wierd, and I know the answer. but HOW can a small incremental patch not get pushed to fix that

lol

[glacial dagger]

Would mean a halting of servers, everybody gets kicked off and has to load a patch and verify files

[misty coyote]

If you start with fragmented publishing, you'll end up doing it for all bugs that cause big issues...

[grand steppe]

good idea, I have a Prospector, maybe ill do that

[misty coyote]

Many releases is bad....

[grand steppe]

ya agreed

[topaz burrow]

they;d be releasing hotfixes daily :d

[grand steppe]

BUT target the more important.

[misty coyote]

Hot fixes are only really relevant for system that can't afford downtime

[glacial dagger]

Assign 8 people to 2 Moles, 2 people to two prospectors, maybe a handful of scouts/security. With 15 people you could have a continuously running mining event

[grand steppe]

whoa i aint that loaded

🙂

[glacial dagger]

I'm not saying all the ships have to be yours

[topaz burrow]

yeah im hoping to join some mining ops after wipe

[grand steppe]

For this, would I go Helix on the Prospector?

[topaz burrow]

no point now, or maybe for practise

[glacial dagger]

As the prospector would just be doing collections, I would use a Helix I with 2x FLTR3 modules. Decrease the about of inert material that's collected so the ship can scoop up fore of the food stuff

[hollow sedge]

That sounds dope

[hollow sedge]

Me too

[glacial dagger]

@topaz burrow @hollow sedge Try and find one before the wipes when everyone is still got money and upgraded ships 😄

[bright peak]

Dang do most of you have pledged prospectors?

[pine basalt]

I used to but upgraded prospector to Corsair as I have the mighty Mole

[hardy mesa]

I have an orion pledged so I get a prospector and mole

[pine basalt]

Nice. Need any crew for orion 😁

[north oyster]

I decided awhile back to pledge the Prospector because it was core to my fleet goals and it prints in-game money

[hardy mesa]

One day I will need crew for the orion but I got it since it was cheaper than buying the mole prospector and expanse and dose the same job

[pine basalt]

Yeah makes sense. It's going to be interesting.

[north oyster]

I went with a very industry focused fleet

Expanse is promising, they need it to work so they can bring in the Orion

[hardy mesa]

Same I'm all for industrial work

[north oyster]

I am hoping the Liberator will grow just a little larger

For the Hull series I stopped at the C

[pine basalt]

Damnnnnn

Here's my little fleet 😁

[hardy mesa]

I wanted the challenge and we got a couple of Hammerheads and a perseus in my org

[north oyster]

GIB Corsair

[hardy mesa]

I want the hull c already

[pine basalt]

Gib orion 😁 fair trade.

[north oyster]

Can’t wait to see if she shows up in 3.18

[hardy mesa]

Hull c I think is 3.18.2

Orion had work stopped on it

[north oyster]

The Expanse is how CIG will learn to bring the Orion to life

I’m on an iPad atm, what website is used to show fleet? I can’t recall

[pine basalt]

This one?

https://www.starship42.com/

[north oyster]

Thanks, doesn’t look like I can use it on the iPad, I need to print out my fleet one day

[rugged axle]

Welp, I added a prospector to my list of pledges

[north oyster]

You added a money printing machine, congrats

[rugged axle]

Yea. 17.1(I started a week before it dropped so I don't count 17.0) showed me the only 3 game play loops I enjoy are bounties, mining, and being a criminal lol

[north oyster]

Do you have a ship for cargo delivery? Which you can always rent until then

[rugged axle]

So I have my titan, which I can do bounties in for now. And now the prospector

I dont. But figure I'll just put like 10 work orders together then rent a cutty and take them 1 at a time

Until I can afford a Connie most likely

[north oyster]

Yeah, rent cutty until you can buy a MAX

Or Connie

[worn dock]

any verified info from the PTU on how mining is changing in 17.2?

[rugged axle]

Not a fan of the max tbh. Rather do a Connie.

I had a c2 in 17.1. But don't like that it's only use is literally delivering. Andromeda in 17.1 I could do just about anything in

[north oyster]

MAX is the cheapest SCU per aUEC going atm

[worn dock]

I upgraded my LTI Mule to a Hull A this week

[rugged axle]

Max is what? 2.xish?

[north oyster]

Yeah, I have the andro as loaner for my Corsair

Yeah, about 2.2 ish

Ah, good ship Bacon

[rugged axle]

Yea. Andro was like 5.8 I think. But I love that ship lol

[north oyster]

I also have the Taurus, great for delivering

[pine basalt]

:Clap: good lad.

[rugged axle]

I did figure out, the 4 pads at space stations in 17.2 are basically "free pads"

You don't have to request landing, they won't impound you. And can rearm/restock. Makes it a quick turn around

[worn dock]

If hauling becomes viable, I will probably CCU chain to the Hull C, since it seems it will arrive before the B.

I love my cutty Black, but have my eye on the Vulcan to play AAA roadside assistance in space

[hardy mesa]

Hull c won't be able to land planet side if I remember right only a and b while loaded

[worn dock]

that's what I've assumed. We're going to need vehicle tractor beams for the handoff, or the large merchantmen unloading at the orbital stations and the little guys get paid to shuttle it down to the surface

[hardy mesa]

Be really cool if they make space elevators

[modest parrot]

Guys, I know it's been asked many times, but I don't know where to go anymore. How do I get into trading with C2?

[hardy mesa]

https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/Medical Supplies

[modest parrot]

thank you. I'm looking through it, it seems the best is med stuff, right?

[hardy mesa]

Commodity meds is a good one to go with but look through all the options there's a few ways to go

[bright peak]

I’ve gone back and forth on deciding pledging a prospector or a hauler. I am not good at bounties (maybe I just need to practice). I like mining and carting things around BUT I have limited play time. I haven’t found much in the game that I can login, do something for a hour or so and log out. Bed logging for my is practically a necessity.

I upgraded my titan starter to a nomad and use it to haul a roc currently.

[north oyster]

Right now you will just want Learn the ropes because of the pending game wipe. To me, the best trader in the game is Jack Axton. He has a YouTube video from about 6 months ago that is still valid. It covers every commodity and profit. He walks you through the process of building your aUEC by trade. The video is called trade refresher course.

Depending upon your starting aUEC after the wipe, it will help you plan out your trade routes

[proven jasper]

what's the best material to trade?

[misty coyote]

The clincher for me was rental....

You can rent a prospector and a hauler..... You can't modify either....

So which do you really need to modify?

Prospector wins.

[misty coyote]

Jsut remember to go into orbit when you bed log....

I miss my Nomad.... Mostly because it was the first big boy ship I got...

[ember grail]

I wouldn't say there's a best material to trade right now, robust trade routes should use multiple commodities and stops

[fallen atlas]

https://uexcorp.space/routes
Check this out.

[ember grail]

Bed logging is heavily advised against this patch

[misty coyote]

Twitchy as balls.....

Still worth a shot though.... As long as your aren't landed....

[ember grail]

Another useful tool in addition to UEX
https://tradein.space/#/trade/route-finder/default

[misty coyote]

What's the worst people have seen?

[ember grail]

With bed logging? Worst case is you have to character reset

Bed logging leads to 30009 which leads to character reset

[misty coyote]

Nothing bad then?

[proven jasper]

is renting a ship for trading possible?

[misty coyote]

Yes....I don't think it's a bad way.....

No need to upgrade the bits....

Hire a Freelancer or a Connie and fill it full of stuff....

If the Freelancer has a little cheeky upward nip in agility, it could be a cutty contender.... But I really like the Freelancer..

Jsut a bit sluggish...

[fallen atlas]

Trading is just not super good right now.

[misty coyote]

Then again, it holds 20 ish more SCU.

[fallen atlas]

In the time you can run some large trade routes you could do several bounties/bunkers for way more.,

and more action too.

[misty coyote]

When commodity fluctuations become a real thing, it might..

Only career in the game which punishes failure.

Apart from the bugged component repair thing maybe? If your have your mining head blown off..... Is gone... But you can work around that.

[bright peak]

Very good point! Thanks

[fallen atlas]

Or if you get sent to "login queue" like me every 2-3 hours.

makes it very much not fun.

[misty coyote]

All in though.... Nothing more tense than flying your entire wallet of vice into a legit zone.....

Dogfights have nothing on that.

[fallen atlas]

yeah, the only time dog fights are exciting is when you have a crime stat 5 against real players.

it just doesn't ramp up the adrenaline the same.

[misty coyote]

Do you run?.... Duke it out?.....

[ember grail]

I'm out of there

[fallen atlas]

Always fight to the death.

[misty coyote]

Hide?...

[ember grail]

Living out of Grim Hex I get so twitchy every time I enter/exit a hangar

[misty coyote]

Nah.... Something about evasion.... Anyone can fight to the death..... Its easy....

Running and succeeding.... That's the money....

[fallen atlas]

I'm the guy sitting outside waiting for you.

[bright peak]

One more question. What do you do after a wipe? Do something else to make enough credits to rent a freelancer then go mine in the prospector? Then rent a freelancer to haul once refined?

[misty coyote]

Well, I'm in this exact situation

You start with 10k, so you could buy a lancet mining laser.... I tnink....

Or.... Go to Aberdeen and mine other stuff....

Or wherever....

Sell it direct to the refinery for a few runs to earn enough refining money...... Fill the refinery with work orders.....

Then as you said, go do bunkers until you have hauling capital.... Then haul it.

After that.... Cry as your mate makes 4 times as much in half the hours ROC mining hadenite.....

My plan is to mine Aberdeen for.....

[fallen atlas]

I keep telling people ROC mining Hadanite on Aberdeen is actually decent money.

[bright peak]

I’ve been doing that in daymar

[misty coyote]

Yep..... But you need to pay out for a suit first, which is 15k...

[misty coyote]

Daymar is good.... If the nodes aren't bugged...

[bright peak]

Yea nothing like finding about 6 nodes all bugged

[misty coyote]

I got tired of it.... There is something very satisfying.... Like making your own bread.... To ore mining...

Yes.... You can go to the shops and buy it cheaper..... But you made it....

Minded the ore.... Chose the refine method..... Hauled it all after filling up the work orders....

To find that..... Aldi's sour dough bloomer is just better and cheaper....

But damn it..... You didn't bake that....

[bright peak]

I’ve never done ore mining so I guess I should try to get to 2 mill in game before I drop $155 on a prospector

[misty coyote]

I accidentally.....

It all just started adding up....

20 here..... 10 there....

[pine basalt]

Bite the bullet if not melt it and get something else 😁

[misty coyote]

Suddenly.... I have a $170 account....

You can get a Cutty package and ROC for exactly $170.....If ore mining is just really that bad.....

[pine basalt]

Could also rent in game.

[bright peak]

Yea but can’t do quant since you cannot upgrade. I suppose I could mine something else

[misty coyote]

Get a buddy

[pine basalt]

If you trying it no need to mine quant. To get the skill ironed out and testing.

[misty coyote]

Bex is still good to mine

[pine basalt]

Indeed that is true.

[misty coyote]

Taranite too...

Loads of people duo mine

Hit up a mining org

[scarlet sinew]

dont buy a ROC with real money

it's literally 4k to rent one, and like 178k to buy it

[misty coyote]

Rental is 5k?

Point

[scarlet sinew]

you can rent it once, fill it up once, and literally buy one in game

pledge a cutty black if you want to spend money, but the ROC aint worth $50 or whatever they charge for it

[bright peak]

I already have a nomad, no need for a cutty to cart one around

[misty coyote]

I wanted a C8X expedition too... That's $79....for reasons....

[hardy mesa]

Don't buy rent one

[scarlet sinew]

Eh, I don't judge. My pledge is a Taurus lol.

[misty coyote]

That's a DS.... Still the same in game price

[scarlet sinew]

until you spend like thousands of dollars, then I start judging lol

[hardy mesa]

55 for standalone roc my bad

[misty coyote]

Try using a cutty.....

Going from pilot seat to ROC is world's apart

[hardy mesa]

Agreed

Can Rent an roc and cutty for like 30k total

[misty coyote]

I loved my Nomad..... But getting out.... Running around... Then having it back up!

[scarlet sinew]

wait, cutty + roc is $170, but cutty is $100 and roc is $55 separately?

LOL

[misty coyote]

Package

Game too

[hardy mesa]

^

Star citizen itself is like 15usd

[misty coyote]

Cutty starter package is 125 is something

[scarlet sinew]

oh I was thinking it was $100

[misty coyote]

115.....i can't remember

[scarlet sinew]

it was my previous pledge, but I couldnt remember

[hardy mesa]

Cutty starter is 115

I looked it up

[viscid hazel]

Will roc fit into an Freelancer Base?

[misty coyote]

Should do.... Might be toit

Might not be walking room around it.... Tonnes in a MAX

[viscid hazel]

Ok.

[bright peak]

Cutty is cheaper to rent than a freelancer base too

[viscid hazel]

I already have an pledged FL.

I tried the Cutty/Taurus too but i liked the Freelancer most.

[misty coyote]

I totally get that

[viscid hazel]

I need to try out the Max after the wipe though.

Havent really tried mining in SC yet.

[bright peak]

I love the freelancer except for the cockpit. Everything else was great for me.

[viscid hazel]

I know what you mean.

I like it, although the lower MFD's could be placed a bit better.

[deep vector]

Go for fatlancer

[marble crater]

love the Freelancer line but they're overdue for an update

like stepping into a SC time capsule

[north oyster]

Tru dat, but the MAX is still one of my favorite overall ships, especially for ROC escort

[marble crater]

I could see the Freelancer rework styling being similar to the Hull A

[north oyster]

The Freelancer MAX is probably the cheapest aUEC per SCU ship out there. Besides a solid 120 SCU for Quantainium delivers, the ramp makes her great for ROC transport.

[worn dock]

That's the double seater

Cutlass Black stand-alone is $100

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/ships/drake-cutlass/Cutlass-Black#buying-options

regular ROC is $55

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/ships/roc/ROC#buying-options

I'd never pay cash for a ROC, though

[topaz bay]

are all the refinery store screens bugged?

[marble crater]

yep all bugged

[topaz bay]

when you claim a ship you always lose all upgrades like the mining head etc?

[marble crater]

you should keep the mining head but will lose all mining modules on claim

best to purchase all your modules with a cargo ship then move them to your mining home base

[topaz bay]

yeah i was transporting a few but crashed as i was getting to arc l1

game crashed

[marble crater]

oh that's rough

[deep vector]

Raft

[deep vector]

True

[modest parrot]

thanks, this will be handy

[hallow fractal]

I've made a stupid mistake. Rented the Prospector for 1 week because I though, I could update it with modules and better mining laser. Turns out: no rented ship can be modified at all. So yeah.. that happened. Any idea what to do with my rented Prospector, other than let it rot in the hangar? 😄

[misty coyote]

Take it out with a friend, you can still crack big rocks

Not a stupid mistake.... You can still mine Bexalite etal

[mortal citrus]

hello

[hallow fractal]

Any tipp, where to find Bexalite with a high yield rate?

[misty coyote]

Aberdeen has some I think...Not sure if the rocks are fatties or not....

I plan on going there after the wipe, other than that, I don't really know

If it makes you feel any better, you'll have that prosp wiped before the rental is up

[deep vector]

Fly around, crash into bounties

[hallow fractal]

Pro tip Mate!

[topaz burrow]

go to Aaron Halo. Rocks there have max mass of 5122 and you will be able to crack them (not Quant tho) Just look for P-Type and M-Type asteroids for Bexalite and Laranite
When I rented Prospector I didnt even bother refining them, just sold raw ore

[hallow fractal]

Will, do but right now I'm at work! 😄 Will get you guys up to speed when I'm done ! 😄

[deep vector]

I tried rented prospector (just stock prospector after reset) - it’s similar to eating soup with a fork

[crimson oak]

you can find all sorts of ore in aarons halo as well, bexalite and laranite fairly common.

[cerulean lichen]

Really should just start mining in the halo. Calliope works well but man the wind is way to strong.

[cerulean lichen]

Though been happy using my c2 to trade titanium. Wish my raft could pull better profits though😔

[misty coyote]

Are we allowed to post up other discord servers into likely channels?

Have a mining org one that does daily mining runs as a pack. Payment after the run..

Or is there an affiliated servers channel?

[fallen atlas]

no. and org recruiting is against rules here as well.

[misty coyote]

It's not mine..... Thought it might help.... No major, I'll keep it to myself

[bright peak]

Well the free fly event prospector saves me from having to rent one to try it out

[north oyster]

Cheapest aUEC per SCU? No, the Max is cheaper than the RAFT, but there's not a huge difference (unless I did my quick math wrong, which can happen)

[north oyster]

It's a great trainer and you can earn ok funds. Learn how to get to Aaron's Halo because currently the rental Prospector can crack larger rocks in space than it can on land

[deep vector]

1.25 vs 1.30 while raft is 25 usd cheaper

[north oyster]

Ok, we're talking about two different things

[deep vector]

Also Taurus is 1.09 per scu

Oh, I missed part about ingame

Nvm

[north oyster]

I'm talking aUEC, not real dollars

[deep vector]

Lol

My bad

[north oyster]

LOL

Good info you shared though

[deep vector]

Raft is cheapest proper cargo ship

That you may start making money with

[north oyster]

Also the RAFT a one trick pony

[deep vector]

Both yes and no

After refactor it’ll change

Because everything can be inside those containers

Troops, vehicles

[north oyster]

Everything will change, I'm thinking it'll be about this time next year

[deep vector]

Maybe

[north oyster]

Tru dat

Soon(tm)

[deep vector]

[cerulean lichen]

Yah I love the raft, but it’s cargo capacity is ehhh, and can’t do much outside of that.

[ember grail]

I'm expecting the raft to be more viable once they implement loading times. It's expected to have a relatively fast loading time

[cerulean lichen]

I really want to buy it this fall at IAE. But I know there are better options. Wonder how loading times for a C2 will work with how large and easy to access the cargo hold is.

[ember grail]

It's speculated the C2 will have a relatively longer loading time since the cargo bay only has 2 access points and the cargo grid is stacked rather high

[cerulean lichen]

Good to know. I made enough in game to get a C2 a month ago and love it but now know with the refactor it may not be great when it comes. Overall how cargo ships are loaded and unloaded will be interesting to see

[boreal rain]

anyone down to teach me the ropes? I played a bit yesterday but didnt get around to my 1st mission yet

[topaz bay]

is it possible to dump materials from prospector?

[rugged axle]

Eject cargo keybind

I dunno anything about it. Except it dumps the bags

[lament quiver]

Anyone having issues with the refinery?

[onyx crow]

what ya wanna know?

[serene quest]

do the yellow covalex crates have any use?

[serene quest]

Only when you have quant in the hold, and it dumps everything

[wise thunder]

playing with the mercury star runner, i don't have that much cash anyway so i can only buy about 200 scu of stuff at a time. was hoping to play space trucker and move stuff around for a profit. but how can i sell big quantities of stuff? the stations just want 50-100 scu at a time.

and that nets me a whopping 2k

[topaz bay]

ah ok, ty.

[glacial dagger]

So stations will never need very much. Your better off buying a commodity and selling it to a planet like Lorvile CBD, ArcCorp TDD, Microtech TDD and Orison TDD dont go here, you will never be able to leave

[fading escarp]

@wise thunder look up either https://sc-trading.kamille.ovh/trading/ or https://www.gallog.co/ or https://sc-trade.tools/home . They'll help you optimise your runs, between the money you have and the cargo space.

Below 4000 profit per run, you're better off running delivery mission until your base funds are large enough.

[bright peak]

So I mined some last night in the prospector and while I realize it wasn’t quantanium I don’t see how qt mining is more lucrative than hadanite mining. Am I wrong? Hadanite mining in a Roc is so much cheaper so the ROI is huge.

[rose cove]

I mean, what was your ROI in the Roc?

[north oyster]

The difference between the Hadanite mining with the ROC and Quantainium with the Prospector is the time factor. ROC mining is way slower

You average close the amount of aUEC per trip but you can make far more trips in that time frame with the Prospector

[marble crater]

as with all mining rng if you get lucky you can make over $250K in 15 minutes with the Prospector. You can't do that with ROC

[bright peak]

Got it. Thanks

[rose cove]

Unless you have my luck and you can fly 45 mins in the Prospector without finding more than 2% Quant, but I have a good place to look now.

[north oyster]

Prospector prints money but ROC mining is more enjoyable imo

[rose cove]

Yeah ROC is pretty fun.

[bright peak]

I love the scenery with roc mining

[north oyster]

a couple of factors there but for the most part that amount of time is a skill level issue or a server issue

[marble crater]

I wish you could change mining heads on the ROC. give it a bit mroe variety

[rose cove]

Well I also didn't know about focusing the scanner. So that has helped.

But it happened to another guy at the same time so I'm thinking it was a bad server time.

[north oyster]

!! yes, that super charged my mining in the Halo, was crazy good after that

[rose cove]

After the reset my son will just be a dedicated rock scout so I can just hit rocks with the Prospector nonstop.

[north oyster]

team work

[rose cove]

Makes the dream work

Just... waiting on that reset.

[north oyster]

It looks now that it won't be anytime until after the Free Fly (14th)

[rose cove]

If I lend someone my prospector, they can't dock and put in an ore processing order, right?

Yeah I know the delay grinds me. Would have been happier not knowing.

[north oyster]

correct, only owner

[rose cove]

They need corporation entities/wallet/ships in game so bad.

[north oyster]

I decided after getting hit by a bug that wiped my Quantainium loads in the Prospector, that I would just focus on the PTU and explorer there

[rose cove]

I thought about it.

There is no benefit in LIVE for PTU stuff is there?

[north oyster]

if you do, there's a trick you should now about. When the new patch drops LIVE, then just rename your PTU game folder to LIVE and you're good to go

[rose cove]

Ah, good tip. Would explain a comment someone made that didn't make sense.

[north oyster]

save a good chunk of time even if someone has fast network connection.

@rose cove great to hear your son is also playing, that certainly would make it more enjoyable even with the bugs and glitches

[rose cove]

Yep. We had a blast in the 2-man ROC the other day. We bond over a lot of games.

Though he almost got grounded for driving us right off a cliff. 🤡

[north oyster]

LOL, ouch

[rose cove]

I was livestreaming so I had to stay calm.

[north oyster]

but that's they way boys drive, we did and just didn't get caught

[rose cove]

Can you reduce the top speed on the ROC? I noticed it doesnt' work like flying.

[north oyster]

right now the ground vehicles are really shotty. The accelerator is pretty much just off and on, nothing gradual at all

[rose cove]

Thats what I thought. I was shocked there isnt a "driving" keybindings category.

[north oyster]

they need scalable speed control so bad

[rose cove]

I was getting actual carsickness with the jerkiness of it.

[north oyster]

they worked on the hover type vehicles to get them smooth and functioning. Now they are working on the ground vehicles with wheels

With ROC, I always do the land near the deposit and try not to wonder across the planet too much. 2000 meters navigating in a ROC can be an intense trip

[rose cove]

Yeah I have a connie so transport isn't a problem. Except if there is so much as a pebble under the cargo platform when I lower it the connie will bounce up like it was stung by a bee.

Same with the little light risers on the landing pad which is insane.

Its bad enough they surround landing pads with light poles.

[north oyster]

I have the Taurus that I upgraded from my MAX. Now the first thing I do is buy a MAX in-game because it is the best for ROC mining in the game (imo)

I use my connie for hauling mostly now and have my MAX for ROC escort

[rose cove]

I enjoy target locking the Cutty Blacks hanging around the ROC mining sites.

Like hey, want to play with a fully upgraded connie?

But I don't shoot of course. Don't want a crimestat.

[north oyster]

I normally mine under OM-1 though I can see it getting more crowded there eventually because of the benefit

[rose cove]

I'm not sure what a CB even has for armament but I'm pretty sure the Connie outclasses it hand over fist.

[north oyster]

way

cutty only has one shield gen

and 4x size 2 pilot controlled

[rose cove]

Thats almost exactly what I was guessing.

[rugged axle]

Ground vehicle speeds are "sort of" scalable with a hotas. But still not great

[hardy mesa]

As an x56 user I agree

[dapper mesa]

Takes at least an hour to fill a roc, and that's with good luck finding deposits. I was averaging more like 1.5-2 hours generally. Easier to sell for sure, just go back to mining outpost, 275k. But with quant mining with prospector, you find one decent rock that cracks well, full load, run back to station, start refining. It's also not uncommon, especially on lyria, to find clusters with multiple rocks big enough to fill up a prospector, so you can note the location and come right back to it. You can stack up multiple orders for refining in succession. I've had up to 20 worth 4 million aUEC at one point.

[bright peak]

Yea that was one thing I noticed - just how fast it filled up. I need to learn more about it because I ended up with a lot of inert materials so I am sure I was choosing the wrong rocks.

[sage lagoon]

So I've been using my constellation for mining and am thinking of changing out to a Valkyrie for the easier planetside flying. Anyone have any pro/cons to this?

[topaz burrow]

roc mining?

I actually prefer Freelancer MAX. It's super quick to get in and out the ship with roc.

[sage lagoon]

Roc mining yes but I use a Roc-DS so I need something with a bit more space.

[topaz burrow]

i mean freelancer max will fit 3x roc-ds. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhQn3BY45ZA

[sage lagoon]

lol that's great. It would take so long to get those in sideways like that.

[topaz burrow]

but thats just me, when im roc mining, i want my time in/out be as short as possible. Valkyrie is a beautiful ship

[topaz burrow]

haha yeah, that's the extreme. It will fit one comfortably

[sage lagoon]

I've watched videos and it looks like flying around in hover mode works really well which would be perfect for rock scanning. Then land open ramp and drive the roc-ds out.

[rugged axle]

@bright peak prospector mining, you want a rock >25% >4500 mass.

I personally mine the halo, and do a lancet head, surge module, and 2 fltr xl modules. Regularly get 28scu from a 25% rock. Any higher % is guaranteed a full 32scu.

[north oyster]

DM me your stream info so I can dial in sometime

[simple nexus]

What's the route and material that makes the most money?

[north oyster]

Trade isn’t in a good place right now. It favors only the largest ships. Astitine, titanium, gold, etc are best atm

Titanium from Belsek to Lorville CBD

Gold from Humbolt to Area 18 TDD

[simple nexus]

Titanium is better right?

Isn't laranite the best one but there's just never stock

[vestal ravine]

I just cleared half a million off of diamonds from a C2.

[north oyster]

Laranite is the best, it caused a huge “gold rush” several years ago. However, CIG turned on common inventory and killed the spawn rate and amount for Laranite to make sure it never rises again

Diamonds got neutered also, but occasionally you can get a load if demand allows

Everything will change by this time next year

[tall linden]

Anyone using an MSR to haul cargo? The pledge store listing is calling my name.

[fallen atlas]

Should have one for free atm if you wanna try it out.

[cobalt rivet]

is laranite the purple one?

wait no, thats hadanite

[sage lagoon]

It's a good ship for cargo. Decent space and it flies well in atmo.

[north oyster]

In this reference I was talking about commodities that could be bought and sold for trade. Laranite can also be mined but it's on the lower end of earnings for miners

[errant wraith]

Anyone want to learn surface mining? I'm hosting mining guide sessions

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/672567584712949781/989746094944710666/ScreenShot-2022-06-22_14-47-21-786.jpg

[misty coyote]

Oh man....i miss my MAX

[errant wraith]

😦

MAX is love, MAX is life

[misty coyote]

I have a Prosp pledged....i could just drop it back to a MAX... Be happy again....

[cerulean lichen]

How is the max? Worth it as a pledge you think

[jagged storm]

When you refine Qauntanium and it says it'll take say 22 hours, is that game time or irl

[fallen atlas]

IRL

[jagged storm]

ooh damm okay thanks

[north oyster]

I started with a Titan, CCU’d to the Cutlass Black and then finally to the MAX. Love that ship. Sadly, when it was only like $5 I did a CCU from the MAX to the Taurus. The Taurus is nice but really miss my MAX. Now I buy her in game first thing

[north oyster]

Ferron is half the time but twice the price

[jagged storm]

Ohh okay I did the Dixon way as that is the way the guide said

[north oyster]

Dinyx is the cheapest and best return, that's why the mention that. Ferron offers the same yield, twice the speed but twice the price

[hardy mesa]

Ferron on Thursday Fridays and Saturdays and Dixon all other days of the week is what I do work schedule a little strange for me

[jagged storm]

I've just added another run, does it add to the previous run as I'm not seeing two runs of Quant, so I guess its been added to that first one. Ignore the other Quartz I didn't mean to

[north oyster]

Each refinery job is its own run, not associated with any previous job. If you didn't select the Quan in your job, then it was disgarded

[jagged storm]

ahh shit okay thanks

[pastel flame]

Great shot

Any of you miners on the PTU know what the deal with refining fees on Q is about?

[scarlet sinew]

all i know is they apparently increased quant refining cost by like 25% or something

[marble crater]

think Cross said it's the same price when he checked

[coarse swallow]

how do people find quant rocks.. is it just flying around and praying?

[viral heath]

Yep

[pastel flame]

Some people contract scouts

[coarse swallow]

i know i cant carry all this

someone wanna split it?

[marble crater]

what a juicy rock well done!

[misty coyote]

Ids either this or the Raft... I know a person who worked in the RAFT, and really like the aesthetics

[tight latch]

anything on the mole fix yet

[ember grail]

Should be in 3.17.2

[tight latch]

when that coming out

[ember grail]

!wipe

[wary tusk]

3.17.2 Patch will have a DATABASE WIPE

• Items (ships and vehicles included) and the Wallet (aUEC) will be wiped.
• Your current Reputation will remain.
• All account-attributed items (pledges, subscriber flair, rewards, etc.) will remain.
• There is no specific date when the patch is going LIVE (probably mid-late July).

Pro Tip: There is no 'best' ship.

[bold token]

how does trading work