stage-discussion

[kindred mortar]

someone gift me

swig0

[lunar fable]

I didnt get that

[kindred mortar]

i got that object object when i pressed hard cancel twice

[inner sorrel]

i tried gifting anatole and this appeard

xqcT

[river rock]

when i tried gifting swig

[kindred mortar]

[safe acorn]

did it work?

[merry elk]

yeah same here

[kindred mortar]

yes

[safe acorn]

nice

[lunar fable]

Cant gift with paypal?

[lunar fable]

ye same for me

he prob got gifted while we were trying?

[kindred mortar]

yeah

[safe acorn]

yea

[lunar fable]

When you are trying to gift somoene who is already a sub:

[clever sail]

^

[lunar fable]

sentence talks about you not the recipient

[merry elk]

someone gift me nouryqt

[vagrant leaf]

👈 🎁

[merry elk]

thank you swig0

[vagrant leaf]

[safe acorn]

dieserArr0w 👈 🎁

[inner sorrel]

let me gift him

[merry elk]

maybe put the name of the guy who gifted you into the notification popup instead of You have been granted role subscriber by anatoleam

[inner sorrel]

i couldnt test the feature yet

[clever sail]

gifted my alt and didnt get a message of who gifted me

[inner sorrel]

ok dud

[safe acorn]

Pog

[inner sorrel]

someone gift me then

[river rock]

when i opened the gift panel for @safe acorn it auto-filled in an email which i dont recognize

[inner sorrel]

Enzo_SuperCraftZ

[river rock]

hopefully it didnt just take the email from their twitch...

[safe acorn]

uhm

[merry elk]

did it start with gio?

[daring gale]

oh so it's already not possible to gift people twice

great

[river rock]

i dont remember

[merry elk]

sent anatole a screenshot of it but dont know who i was gifting anymore

[daring gale]

gives you the 'expired link' error if you try to gift someone who already got gifted

[inner sorrel]

heCrazy

[daring gale]

it's not me btw

[inner sorrel]

yea ik[

[daring gale]

itsj ust my account is set as the system account

[inner sorrel]

i screenshoted the wrong thing for some odd reason

heCrazy

[safe acorn]

[inner sorrel]

[river rock]

ok now can these transfer over to the main branch thanks

[daring gale]

yeah i guess this can go live tomorrow

[river rock]

no i mean

can we keep the subscriptions

[daring gale]

[pulsar quarry]

[daring gale]

ill finish up the UI tonight and hopefully go live tomorrow

[merry elk]

wait someone gift me a year then hol up

[daring gale]

if not tomorrow the 6th

[merry elk]

[kindred mortar]

are you sure the personal emotes is a good idea

[daring gale]

it'll be heavily moderated

[inner sorrel]

im gonna add THIS as an personal

[kindred mortar]

THIS

[inner sorrel]

and spam on xqcs and forsens chat

[daring gale]

you wont be allowed

[inner sorrel]

[inner sorrel]

wtf

literally 1984

[kindred mortar]

[daring gale]

basically no emote that is "questionable" in any way will be allowed as personals

[inner sorrel]

[kindred mortar]

[inner sorrel]

is THIS questionable tho?

[river rock]

maybe the subscribe button should prompt you to log in first? instead of just saying "Authentication Required"

[daring gale]

banned streamers, sexually suggestive, epileptic and overly wide are all going to be off limits

[kindred mortar]

i see

[inner sorrel]

oh

[river rock]

overly wide

[inner sorrel]

i c

[river rock]

SadPag

[kindred mortar]

so like peepo emotes are fine

[inner sorrel]

bigpeepoSad

[kindred mortar]

adding TriNaM to personal

[inner sorrel]

imagine spamming BigHardo on forsen's chat
mfs pinging with ''WutFace norman'' or some shit

[kindred mortar]

making a personal emote of feet

[inner sorrel]

wait a bit

''on twitch''?

anal toe hacking twitch

[daring gale]

via the extension

[kindred mortar]

would it work on chatterino?

[river rock]

anatole, will this be designed in a way where emotes can be 'approved' (listed), but ALSO be approved for personal emotes? or will it be case by case basis

[inner sorrel]

also

could zero-width emotes be added as personal?

just a question

[daring gale]

tbd

[kindred mortar]

probably not a good idea

[inner sorrel]

wtf is a tbd

[daring gale]

but probably not

[kindred mortar]

to be determined

[inner sorrel]

the more you learn

[kindred mortar]

most likely

[daring gale]

because zero width can be used to form TOS stuff when paired with the right thing

and thats not possible to moderate

[kindred mortar]

ye

[inner sorrel]

i c i c

also maybe block sub emotes?

i uploaded forsenE and xqcM to 7tv

TriHard unlimited sub emotes

[elder lichen]

@pastel rune thanks for the gift

[inner sorrel]

@anal toe DinkDonk

[merry elk]

I couldn't pay with paypal, why?

[daring gale]

did you use the testing credentials

in #stage-notes

[safe acorn]

[merry elk]

yes

[daring gale]

what was the error?

[merry elk]

but its correct

[daring gale]

you're trying to sign in?

[merry elk]

yes

[daring gale]

email should be [e-mail] and password 12345678

seeing you've just joined, this is a testing environment. no one is using real money on this, it's not released yet. just being tested

[merry elk]

ah okay

thanks

how long can it take until i see the badge

[daring gale]

you won't see it, it's on the test server

[kindred mortar]

no badge in chat because stage isnt connected to chatrooms

👍

[safe acorn]

[daring gale]

but if you want to check you have it in theory, https://api-stage.7tv.app/v2/badges?user_identifier=login

[merry elk]

[safe acorn]

[merry elk]

[tender crystal]

so about the founder badge...

will it work like that

i subscribe before oct 1st

i dont sub for like 2 months till dec 2021 for example

do i still have founder badge...

[safe acorn]

probably

[stone zinc]

it will work like twitch founder badges work

[daring gale]

if you resubscribe you'll get it back

[kindred mortar]

you will have it still

[tender crystal]

[kindred mortar]

but you wont see it unless subscribed

[tender crystal]

imma founder badge and i wont sub ever again

[kindred mortar]

[tender crystal]

[daring gale]

you won't see it while not subbed though

[merry elk]

and from when will you see it in the chats

[tender crystal]

i know

still having a founder badge is cool

[daring gale]

when it's live

[merry elk]

and when is that

[daring gale]

tomorrow

[tender crystal]

[stone zinc]

[merry elk]

ncie

[tender crystal]

imma get my mom credit card

[stone zinc]

5 personal emotes soon not yet

[tender crystal]

soon™️

[jade fossil]

golden name tag is so satisfying tho

[tender crystal]

it is but is it shiny?

[dire brook]

sry, was busy
successfully tested?

[daring gale]

ya, working great

[merry elk]

i'm allowed to test right? even if i don't have stage tester role?

sure go ahead

[daring gale]

you can grab the role at #864456490806149130 btw

[merry elk]

oh

cool beans

[unkempt hill]

that sucks

sorry your beans got cold

maybe you could microwave them

[daring gale]

@unkempt hill try to gift the same person a sub multiple times

with an alt

like your main and alt

[unkempt hill]

borpaSpin commencing

[daring gale]

gifting another account at the same time

[merry elk]

i tested subscribe with sprite and it worked with the credentials i entered

[peak tiger]

why not 7up

[dire brook]

wait... gifts aren't stacking?

[daring gale]

no

[merry elk]

i didn't see an option for 7up

sorry

[peak tiger]

I dont think you saw an option for sprite either

[merry elk]

maybe in the future you can add one

[dire brook]

bbbut
if somebody gifted 1 month to a person, and then another gifter want to gift the same person 1y gift?

[daring gale]

unlucky

would be too much complexity to add that

[merry elk]

like how twitch has it so you cant gift someone who already got gifted sub?

[daring gale]

📈

[dire brook]

maybe override with the latest expiry day? without returning payments to gifters?

[daring gale]

no

[merry elk]

now if only it wasnt imaginary money

[dire brook]

ok

[tender crystal]

remove the blue beta thing

[unkempt hill]

@daring gale

can you not gift yearly subs?

[merry elk]

since i subscribed twice, does that mean i get TWO cool badges?

[daring gale]

u can

[unkempt hill]

or is it because you are keeping the session

I clicked onto monthly first and now I cant gift yearly

[daring gale]

might be session is kept

[dire brook]

btw, if the recipient is alrd a sub, why the system notifies it as "Bad Request (You are already a subscriber!)" not "Bad Request (The recipient is already a subcriber!)"?

[merry elk]

how do i gift a sub? is there a list of test users to use? cuz whatever i enter comes up with "Unknown user"

[safe acorn]

the person u want to gift has to be registered

[merry elk]

cancelled my alts sub, use UUDELLEENKYTKEYTYNYT

[unkempt hill]

@daring gale are you actually expiring the other sessions when a gift goes through, or am I just slow

[daring gale]

i do a little trolling

[unkempt hill]

Sadge https://stage.7tv.app/users/6133c7d64ea97eee69f048cb can only get 1 gift I guess

:tf:

[daring gale]

nah basically when you're requesting a session for a user, it registers the state in memory

[unkempt hill]

oh so its just the same session

KEK

[daring gale]

the endpoint is also locked to one execution at a time so there cant be race conditions

but yeah, basically youre getting the same session

no matter how fast you are

even if you hit the endpoint on the same nanosecond

so when you try to buy something with the same session only one will work

[unkempt hill]

quick now ddos egvault with requests so nobody can sub

[daring gale]

yeah through cloudflare

[dire brook]

won't be PP support for gifts in the future? would hard to implement?

[daring gale]

probably not

[dire brook]

k

[unkempt hill]

so heres the thing tho

what happens if someone

starts to gift a yearly sub

then someone else tries to gift a one month sub

they'll get the old yearly sub

and pay 10x

and sue you for it PEPW

[daring gale]

try it

[unkempt hill]

thats what was happening to me

but inverse

I couldn't gift a yearly one

[daring gale]

dont think it's possible though

or maybe it is, perhaps i just invalidate any other existing session for the user

[unkempt hill]

yeah just happened again

starting a yearly gift for a user then trying a monthly on a different user opens the same session for the yearly

[daring gale]

what happens exaxctly

[unkempt hill]

you hit gift $4.99 euro or whatever it says

and it opens Product
7TV€39.99

[daring gale]

oh right

i was thinking of something else

[unkempt hill]

on a different account - too

[daring gale]

thats easy to fix but the fix brings up a new problem

[merry elk]

yay i did it! i finally found a user to get the 1 month gift sub to work.

[dire brook]

@unkempt hill U used 2 different accs to gift to the same person, and started with 1y?

[daring gale]

being that in that case, it might be possible for someone to get gifted twice with monthly+yearly

[unkempt hill]

yea

@daring gale thats what I've been trying to do

but you accidentally made it impossible

[daring gale]

i checked and apparently theres no way to invalidate an existing session

so hmmmm

[unkempt hill]

actually this is easy for gits anatole

just add the new ammount of sub time to the existing gift @daring gale

[dire brook]

"accidentally"

[unkempt hill]

ie if someone gifts for 12 months

then another gifts for 1

the users sub expires in 13 months

you could do that for regular subs too

[daring gale]

idk if i can do that without catching ebola

[inner sorrel]

its worth it

trust me

[dire brook]

asked for it, Tole said "no"

[unkempt hill]

I don't really see any other solution if you cant cancel sessions

thats the easiest solution that I can see

[novel portal]

so does gift now give founder thing

[unkempt hill]

considering gifts have a specific time period

and subs do as well

[daring gale]

i understand a bit more why people just go with sites like patreon

this shit

so many edge cases to handle

[daring gale]

ye

[novel portal]

[dire brook]

[novel portal]

old patreon logo

[dire brook]

"Bad Request (You are already a subscriber!)" "Bad Request (The recipient is already a subcriber!)"

[merry elk]

omg i forgor subs have different name color and i was testing on them instead of nonsubs.

i'm S BAD

[novel portal]

is that for if both are subbed?

[merry elk]

i kept getting that message Bad Request

[dire brook]

I mean it currently notifies with "Bad Request (You are already a subscriber!)" when U try to gift to a sub

I think maybe Tole would like to change it to "Bad Request (The recipient is already a subcriber!)"

[merry elk]

sweet. i tested 1 year gift and it worky

[safe acorn]

yea it doesn't sound right atm

[novel portal]

anyways cya tomorrow or so

[dire brook]

cya 🍓

[merry elk]

/

[novel portal]

🦝 🍵

[kindred mortar]

so tomorrow or the 6th for the release?

[dire brook]

👆@kindred mortar

[kindred mortar]

i see

[broken trellis]

if you gift someone will they get the founder badge

[peak tiger]

yes

[broken trellis]

pag

[polar magnet]

gift me

[peak tiger]

Ill gift you THIS

[merry elk]

[quasi carbon]

just woke up and there is no people left to gift

[inner sorrel]

how about you gift THIS

[merry elk]

[quasi carbon]

thanks

[topaz bobcat]

So

when 7TV gets added to chatterino subscribers will have a gold name or what?

and founders badge is perma Im guessing? @daring gale

[merry elk]

founders badge is perma as long as youre subbed but can have breaks in between apparently.. dont think golden chatterino colors will make their way in

[topaz bobcat]

is that official?

[polar magnet]

So I only need to scam a single gift out of someone to get the founders badge forever?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/577275136399638548.png?size=32

[topaz bobcat]

forever but you're gonna have to be subbed

if thats official

[unkempt hill]

Thats only referring to your name color on the website

not on twitch

[topaz bobcat]

uhm

[unkempt hill]

afaik

[topaz bobcat]

what is affiliated service then

[unkempt hill]

eShrug

[quasi carbon]

It's THIS

[topaz bobcat]

also whats the point of having gold name tag color just on the 7tv.app website?

I guess other people can see it

but like

...

[unkempt hill]

you can already set your name color to gold on twitch

[topaz bobcat]

not true gold

[unkempt hill]

you can set it to any color with prime

[merry elk]

#stage-discussion message

[topaz bobcat]

yes but its gonna look like yellow or orange

[merry elk]

oh

[topaz bobcat]

not gold

[merry elk]

i thought it would like show the message

[unkempt hill]

tell me then what exactly is a gold color by your definition

im confused

you mean like a gold pattern?

[topaz bobcat]

gold

[merry elk]

maybe in the browser addon too but i doubt it

[topaz bobcat]

something like

[merry elk]

and in here or whatever

[topaz bobcat]

gold gradient @unkempt hill

thats gold

[peak tiger]

other affiliated services means like discord

[dire brook]

yep, Chatterino is not 7TV affiliated, it's more like a 3rd party thing

[quasi carbon]

Yea but chatterino is a third party too Etp

[vocal mortar]

I used Google Pay

[unkempt hill]

Yeah I'm pretty sure all its referring to is this

[peak tiger]

it says 7tv.app as well as affiliated services meaning discord for example

[daring gale]

@unkempt hill i think this one scenario isn't worth fixing ngl

i made it a little less likely to occur, so that it would have to be deliberate

and if it does happen somehow id just refund the extra one manually

[quasi carbon]

The "Do not renew" is only visible on a gifted account as testing right, since last night.

[unkempt hill]

I feel like its likely people wont notice though, if we're still talking about the kept session thing

I mean they'll notice on their card that they were charged 10x more than they expected, or vise versa

but they probably wont notice during the transaction

[daring gale]

but their act has to be deliberate

it cant be a mistake

[unkempt hill]

how so?

if one user starts a transaction for a yearly sub then stops midway

and another user starts a transaction for a monthly sub to the same user

[daring gale]

there's now only about 2-8s where the order might still be allowed through

[unkempt hill]

they'll get the yearly transaction instead

[daring gale]

so if another order goes through before, the other user has to press buy within less than 10s

thats about as fast as i can get the other payment sessions to cancel

[unkempt hill]

also I feel like that's not a unlikely scenario tho

ex. if a streamer asks someone to gift them as a joke

it would be expected that multiple people would try at the same time

and likely that they wouldn't all choose the same sub length

[daring gale]

well

i cannot fix that

it's literally impossible

or i delay the subs by anoither week

to redo the entire system

[unkempt hill]

I mean, you can just add the new sub time to the current sub when that happens tho

that way your not taking money for nothing

and not do the resend session thing

[daring gale]

i cant modify length like that

[unkempt hill]

Why not?

[daring gale]

i just cant

it's not possible

[unkempt hill]

but you are in control of the sub length

its on your servers

gifts are not recurring

you do not have to keep it in sync with anything

[daring gale]

the way gifts work

[unkempt hill]

unlike regular subs

[daring gale]

is it goes through a normal one time order, however there is still a subscription created, with a price of €0

that doesnt renew

[unkempt hill]

then why should it matter that the length of the entitlement matches the length of this fake subscription?

if its one time

it wont be renewing

so you don't have to worry about its length

[daring gale]

the state of subs is entirely managed by stripe

i just listen to events

[unkempt hill]

also what does that 2-8 second window apply to exactly?

sessions in total?

thats probably way too short

for people to gather their info

and enter it

[daring gale]

it's the time it takes roughly to cancel all other active sessions when a subscription is activated

[unkempt hill]

but don't you share the sessions?

or is it per ip?

[daring gale]

not for monthly and yearly

[unkempt hill]

uh

[daring gale]

they cant be shared

[unkempt hill]

well then the thing I was experiencing is certainly a bug

starting a yearly sub gift session on one alt

then closing it

[daring gale]

this is fixed

[unkempt hill]

and starting a monthly on another alt to the same user

[daring gale]

fixed

but this brought up the new problem i talked about

which is now it's possible for two orders to go through

which cant be fixed

so w/e

the odds of that happening non-deliberately is like 1 in a quintillion

[unkempt hill]

I wouldn't be so sure

for example in the scenario I layed out above

thats almost certainly going to happen

[daring gale]

well there's a line of contact

im not gonna spend another week fixing this extremely unlikely edge case

[unkempt hill]

yes, but you cant rule out its possibility

you could instead perhaps

prompt the user to change their gift to another user?

and then if they decline

send them to a refund proccess

which would be manual

IE. via email or ect.

that way you're not just expecting the user to contact you

about something they dont even know happened

(taking money without giving the sub duration)

[dire brook]

/ sub to Ur channel - like FFZ:AP charges for support

[daring gale]

yea idk

this is going live tomorrow

im not delaying because of one little rare edge case

[unkempt hill]

I'm telling you its not that rare for sure

this will come up, at some point

[daring gale]

i'll monitor for this happening still

maybe add an automatic check somehow

[unkempt hill]

I just feel like you probably would want to cover your ass for this

since your not phasing this as a donation

but a subscription

this could put you in legal trouble

if paying results in nothing

[daring gale]

well in theory it doesn't result in nothing, they just wouldn't notice it didn't go through

[unkempt hill]

but they still payed, no?

they aren't receiving what they purchased

[daring gale]

sure, but like the gifted user would be subbed. however the sub the user paid for might not count

because the gift wouldve been paid for by someone else

[unkempt hill]

but what I'm saying is you'll probably need a refund process

[daring gale]

i just cant prevent their transaction from going thru if it 's within the time window

it's not actually possible

sure i can issue refunds

[unkempt hill]

or some way of prompting to switch the target user in this case

but for you to issue refunds the user should be made aware that this has taken place, at the very least

[daring gale]

maybe i can issue an automatic refund

thats a bit monkaS but in theory it's fine here

[unkempt hill]

I don't really think making it automatic would be entirely neccisarry

just maybe perhaps something in email informing the user where to contact perhaps

[daring gale]

dunno ill see i guess

ill add checks later on

not needed at first

[unkempt hill]

also

[quasi carbon]

Sorry i really dont have the know how required but wouldnt it be possible to have a 10s cooldown after each transaction to avoid that?

[unkempt hill]

what about local currencies?

right now its only displayed in euro on the site

[daring gale]

too dank

idk how to do that

[dire brook]

[unkempt hill]

E U R OMEGALUL

[merry elk]

local currencies for something like that seems like the perfect way of having 95% of your userbase in uganda

[daring gale]

it wouldnt be regional pricing

just translating currrencies i guess

[unkempt hill]

yeah not any pricing difference

[merry elk]

oh

[unkempt hill]

just display on the sub page

@daring gale does stripe not have any api for currency conversions?

they must know the actual values, since they are the ones actually converting the currency

[daring gale]

uh probably but w/e

i mean people know what 4 eur is roughly

i can look at this later

[dire brook]

there is 2-click converter

right in Google seach

[daring gale]

literally just type "4 eur to usd" in google

[quasi carbon]

price = half of bttv pro

[dire brook]

value = delete bttv

[unkempt hill]

you are overestimating most of america

they just wont buy it if its in euro probably KEKW

euro whats that

[polar magnet]

na = dumb kekw 😂

[daring gale]

unlucky

[dire brook]

btw, it would be better (at the start) to make it $4 or $5. USD is more common

but, rly, just Google

[daring gale]

i dont want to base it in a currency my bank account doesnt support

and then have to deal with conversion fees

[merry elk]

its not like 4$ and 4 eur are so much difference that people would be surprised or whatever

[daring gale]

plus the USD is going down the fucking shitter

[quasi carbon]

aaah ofc

[dire brook]

k, tomorrow

[daring gale]

tomorrow, cum

[dire brook]

:YEAHBUTCUM:

[merry elk]

i agree

[daring gale]

@unkempt hill alternatively i could just not allow 1 year gifts?

for a long ass time twitch only had 1 month gifts

until they recently added their multi-months price drop off deals

[merry elk]

i feel like 1 year gifts are a bit too much, make it 6 months like twitch at max

[unkempt hill]

I suppose that may be a potential solution

at the very least a temporary one

as long as you still share the sessions

On that note, are we sure sharing sessions is actually a safe thing to do?

Its a shame these payment processors evidently operate as more of a black box, at least as far as you've described it.

[dire brook]

especially, if that is possible somehow to save sub-logs (mean how many month of subbing user has)
then it could be a simple discount system for consistent subs there, e.g. price drop to €3.5 after a year (or smth near €3.75 maybe) or just free months or smth like that.

[novel portal]

so like pay 12 get 1 free

[merry elk]

isnt it currently 12 months for the price of 10

elfi stop making it more expensive

[dire brook]

it is currently
the logic was to refuse 1y sub

[daring gale]

alright i know what to do about duped gifts

ill automatically prorate excess subs, meaning the user will get credit in their account

no fees on my end, and the user doesn't technically lose the money, they cna just gift to someone else

[merry elk]

sounds like a decent 'quick fix'

[peak tiger]

So wouldnt that be considered a no refund policy?

[daring gale]

there's not gonna be refunds no

but again i cannot stop a transaction that has already been started, so the best i can do is give the money back in credit

[peak tiger]

Is there anything legally we need to be telling them then?

[daring gale]

idfk do i sound like some kind of lawyer

[dire brook]

the best would be to prolong

[merry elk]

doesnt the eu h ave some weird laws with guaranteed refund in some period of time with online services, idk anything about it

[peak tiger]

I guess to search with somewhere saying we have a no refund policy

[dire brook]

but I guess it's hard to implement, so...

[merry elk]

isnt this the reason a lot of services are donation based, same sub and all but its just a monthly donation instead of a monthy purchase

[dire brook]

they about 100% should have it

all civilized countries do

[daring gale]

seems dishonest to offer a product and call it a donation

[dire brook]

U shouldn't refund a donation tho

but, yeah, kinda

[topaz bobcat]

weird laws

[daring gale]

refunds don't make sense on a service where you have immediate access to what you pay for

[merry elk]

i honestly dont know enough to even suggest something, dont think someone would go through the trouble for a $5 sub, 40 sure

[daring gale]

i.e you cant refund a twitch sub either

[merry elk]

wait cant you actually refund a sub now?

[topaz bobcat]

you can if you call your bank

[dire brook]

yes

and U have "immediate access" to clothes, stuff etc.

U can even use 'em for 14d and refund if they wasn't break

[peak tiger]

Apparently in Australia and UK its required for refunds but nothing about france

[daring gale]

look i have fuckall idea about whats going on in the world im just writing code that lets people send money

if its a problem then so be it

[merry elk]

in the end there has to be some guy taking weeks out of his life for effectively $5

or however long something like that takes

[peak tiger]

https://termly.io/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/kobo-cancellation-policy.jpg

[dire brook]

source, pls

[peak tiger]

https://termly.io/resources/articles/no-refund-policy/

[merry elk]

im sure since its a small project there should be some lenience

[daring gale]

"14 days" that's half a month

basically would be a free trial where i lose a few cents in the end

??

[peak tiger]

thats just one persons policy

[dire brook]

it works with irl stuff as well

[daring gale]

doesnt make any sense to have that

[peak tiger]

its different based on the company

[dire brook]

many ppl use clothes, send it back to shops and take new ones

in usa, europe etc.

[merry elk]

i'd tell him to fuck off if he comes up after 2 weeks honestly

[topaz bobcat]

@daring gale you should disable the permission to send messages in the #7tv-tools channel so people dont just put random shit there put something in description like: send a DM to be able to send messages in the channel

[daring gale]

i just ban people from the channel if they type dogshit

[topaz bobcat]

or you can do what I said to prevent it from happening ever again

[daring gale]

unnecessary

[topaz bobcat]

if you say so

[dire brook]

"This no refund policy sample specifies that EU residents are allowed to ask for refunds within 14 days of their purchase, as long as the digital product hasn’t been accessed or downloaded."

[peak tiger]

https://www.termsfeed.com/public/uploads/2016/04/hbo-no-refunds-policy-screenshot.jpg

[dire brook]

Since the access to sub perks is almost immediate, it should works.

[topaz bobcat]

whats that

[peak tiger]

just an example of a refund policy

[topaz bobcat]

link?

[peak tiger]

wdym?

[topaz bobcat]

well where did u get this example from

...

[peak tiger]

https://www.google.com/search?q=no+refunds+policy+online+subsciptions+example&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwji8Lmbx-byAhXXqHIEHasZCZgQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=no+refunds+policy+online+subsciptions+example&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQA1CI-gJY1rsDYMa9A2gBcAB4AIABvwGIAYAWkgEEMC4yMZgBAKABAaoBC2d3cy13aXotaW1nwAEB&sclient=img&ei=egw0YeLLN9fRytMPq7OkwAk&client=firefox-b-d#imgrc=wJE9nqYenSnHOM

[dire brook]

yeah, quite the same as the 1st one but more detailed

[peak tiger]

Idk probably just having a message that says we do not offer refunds is fine

Then say if you gifted a sub to someone who already has a sub your month will be credited to your account or something

[daring gale]

alright

figured how to do it

each duplicate sub add an extra month now

[river rock]

i'm a lawyer

just say "no refunds. ever. for any reason"

will definitely 200% hold up

[daring gale]

wait are u actually isabel

[river rock]

i'm a lawyer in the dream where i'm a lawyer

[daring gale]

oooh

nice

[topaz bobcat]

even when someone needs the money because emergency?

[river rock]

[quasi carbon]

Grats on the job Isabel

[river rock]

i lied on my resume for the 7tv lawyer job

don't tell anatole

[dire brook]

for all that, the prolonging is possible

very nice

[inner sorrel]

lying is bad

not cool

:NOPERS: :Tssk:

[quasi carbon]

You know i'm something of a lawyer myself

[river rock]

i'm actually phoenix wright

[dire brook]

@daring gale now it should be easy with 1y gift - just +12m

[daring gale]

4 gift subs, 2 months + 2 years

@dire brook @unkempt hill

so that works i guess

[unkempt hill]

doesn't matter the home country, all other countries laws come in to affect where you are making commerce

if you are selling something to people in country A you have to follow country A's laws and your own

unless of course stripe acting as the middle man provides some sort of loop hole where stripe is accepting on your behalf

however I'm sure stripe has their legal down to where that wouldn't be the case

otherwise it would be on them

[peak tiger]

[dire brook]

hope so, but prob. should be tested

esp. by 🍉 with his

[dire brook]

oh, here we go again...

so, no 7tv for UKs/Aussies and other GB's lands

[peak tiger]

Australia

In Australia, you are not allowed to have a no refund policy. Under Australian Consumer Law, consumers have the right to get replacements or refunds, cancel a service, or receive compensation for damages from faulty merchandise or services.

United Kingdom

According to UK law, refunds and returns are mandatory if the products are faulty or don’t match the product description.

Additionally, online, mail, and telephone order customers have the right to cancel their order for a limited time after making the purchase, even if the goods are not faulty.

Na its only for UK really

The Australia only really applies to merchandise nothing about online

[dire brook]

isn't it the same we previously discussed?! like EU doesn't have this and UK/Aus (and prob. all lands under the Crown) do

"...or services"

[peak tiger]

and even the UK one only really has to do with clothes and such nothing there about subs

[dire brook]

if U do smth non-materialized and take payment for that - it is a service

so, not

[unkempt hill]

I wouldn't classify a mostly cosmetic subscription as a service

7tv is a service

the subscription is not

[dire brook]

unless u say it costs its exact price

[peak tiger]

Yea plenty of loopholes in laws these days

[dire brook]

specify it and take payments

then it is

I don't mean exactly the badge or w/e

bbut the whole "subscription" pack

[daring gale]

u guys are way overthinking this shit

[peak tiger]

We're just trying to save your ass so you dont get sued

[dire brook]

we want ppl to pay money to U, not U pay money to UK government

[unkempt hill]

I mean, its a good idea to think about these things before accepting currency not knowing what your getting involved with

legally

[peak tiger]

If you dont care then w/e

[dire brook]

lol, on one wave with Cyclo

[unkempt hill]

Once you start accepting money you now have accountability and many of the laws that previously did not apply, now do

[daring gale]

i only accept payments in cum

[unkempt hill]

Its absolutely not something worth getting into legal trouble over, for an emote service

but people will use the full extent of the law to do what people do best

fuck everything up

[daring gale]

" it's been 5 minutes i paid 4 bucks why havent i received X see you in court "

[quasi carbon]

So you only get paid in euro from stripe who already told the customers "there is gonna be a conversion fee to euro" and all is well.

[unkempt hill]

gachiPls I paid 40 euro to gift this guy a sub why doesn't it work

[dire brook]

especially, if those ppl are BTTV disciples/zealots

"Officially, Twitch does not offer any kind of refunds in their Terms of Sale. All items you purchase or receive as a gift on Twitch cannot be refunded or turned into any sort of credit. Once you complete your purchase, it becomes final."

[unkempt hill]

I've seen quite a few projects die because of stupid legality stuff from jaded people

[peak tiger]

Just CV paste their terms of service for subs

@ KATHY dinkdonk

[dire brook]

I just checked it, but decided to paste not the exact TOS but some article

with more usual language

but I can

[unkempt hill]

Accordingly, except as detailed in these Terms of Sale, to the extent permitted by applicable law, cancellations are not permitted after a purchase,

[dire brook]

`"Cancellation of Subscription Services
You may cancel your Subscription Service at any time by selecting the “Do Not Renew” option under your subscription settings in the relevant Twitch Services. Twitch may cancel your Subscription Service by giving you notice by email or through the Twitch Services.

Either party’s cancellation under the prior paragraph is effective at the end of the current payment period and your Subscription Services will continue until the end of the current payment period. You will not receive a refund for the payment period in which you submit your cancellation."`

[unkempt hill]

to the extent permitted by applicable law

is legal speak for, we might be forced to do it, depending on where you are

we really dont want to tho

[dire brook]

U can try to find refund system for UK users - I doubt success awaits U there

[unkempt hill]

You certainly don't need a system for it

just to allow such inquiries where required, potentially via email contact

[dire brook]

by system I meant any system

like any references to "special" UK policies

anyway, in that case Kathy's @7ТV.app email would be enough.

[gleaming dagger]

says "you are a subscriber" when gifting to someone else that already has subbed.

maybe either extend their subscription by 1 month (preferred) or different err msg

[dire brook]

#stage-discussion message

2nd one (about sub extension) is around almost the whole today discussion (several hundred messages), but the result is here
#stage-discussion message

[gleaming dagger]

👍

[merry elk]

today i get the badge right?

[daring gale]

if you subscribe when it comes out then yes

[quasi carbon]

Best of luck getting it done on time.

[merry elk]

okay

but when i click on subscribe than it says

[stiff sinew]

it'll come out today, wont be delayed

[daring gale]

what's your account's name?

[merry elk]

on Twitch

[daring gale]

yes

[merry elk]

BlRNE but the i is an L

[daring gale]

well you are a subscriber

so it's correct

refresh the page if it hasnt updated

[merry elk]

okay wait

didn't changed

[quasi carbon]

@merry elk what are you looking for? You wont get a badge on twitch from the stage.7tv sub

[merry elk]

what

[quasi carbon]

The twitch specific features will only show up when you are able to subscribe on the regular 7tv.app (which is planned for today) site NOT stage.7tv.app thats only for testing.

[vapid veldt]

i tried to do paypal yearly and got this

[daring gale]

yea dunno why paypal stops working after a while

try again

[stiff sinew]

worked for me

[merry elk]

I still get the badge today?

[safe acorn]

you get the badge when the feature officially comes out

[merry elk]

i thought today

[safe acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/crash-corps-soon-tm-gif-18881253

[merry elk]

[safe acorn]

today..

[elder lichen]

soon

stripe works seamlessly

[merry elk]

did you get a sub from me anatole? thank you page showed up

wait

[safe acorn]

pp too

[merry elk]

i gifted you a sub anatole, but i got directed to https://stage.7tv.app/subscribe/complete?with_provider=stripe&is_gift=false

[kindred mortar]

i gifted and subbed on my own, but might want to move the ok button ( my adblock blocks the square)

[pulsar quarry]

Error if i try gift sub to floodbYte (After click PurschaseGift)

[kindred mortar]

🇷🇺

[daring gale]

you have a networking issue @pulsar quarry

perhaps your country blocks stripe?

[jade fossil]

[pulsar quarry]

stripe.com works fine, ok f5 helped

[merry elk]

i always get redirected to with_provider=stripe&is_gift=false when i gift somebody

[vagrant leaf]

[daring gale]

looking at this, seems like an oversight

[merry elk]

https://lyx0.s-ul.eu/QBktgJ4t.png theres a paragraph double for me when i go to is_gift=true

[jade fossil]

i guess i should wait a bit longer, ok, nm

[gleaming dagger]

mobile works

[jade fossil]

i tried to gift to someone who is already a sub
and the message is ty for subbing

[gleaming dagger]

Earn an exclusive Founders Badge by subscribing before October 1st, 2021

i think that time has passed lol

[elder lichen]

its september mmatt

[daring gale]

[gleaming dagger]

oh

[elder lichen]

theres still a month left lol

[gleaming dagger]

[tender crystal]

...

[dire brook]

I thought U successfully implement 1y gifts, Tole
U showed ss of 2y+2m yesterday

[daring gale]

yea but im removing them because it's unnecessary

[dire brook]

ok

THANK YOU FOR SUBSCRIBING!

if there is a way to differ subs/gifts on the server side, it should be "Thanks you for gifting a sub (sub-gifting)!", probably

[daring gale]

<@&857301549440696372> anyone who planned to buy a sub - can you DM me your IP address so i can whitelist you on the live server (ensuring it works before opening the floodgates)

this is real money

[elder lichen]

[warped hemlock]

[young sparrow]

yes give me a sec

[cinder lance]

[cerulean valve]

[sour phoenix]

TOO EASY

[kindred mortar]

[tender crystal]

this is the moment where he dumps all bitcoin and ditches without a trace

[gleaming dagger]

will #883091688845901855 stay public?

[warped hemlock]

[kindred mortar]

no cuz thats stage

[merry elk]

its stage only

[gleaming dagger]

oh yeah

im stupid

[tender crystal]

[warped hemlock]

my favourite femboy

!vanish

...

[solar kindle]

[tender crystal]

[warped hemlock]

...

[merry elk]

...

[solar kindle]

anatole boutta ddos us all

[warped hemlock]

[tender crystal]

[warped hemlock]

worth

[tender crystal]

gonna sell all data for china

[gleaming dagger]

tole is gonna use the 7tv sub money to ddos us

[daring gale]

evryone who asked has been whitelisted

[warped hemlock]

pag

[daring gale]

that was a lot of dms

[elder lichen]

[gleaming dagger]

step 1. ask for ips step 2. whitelist people to give you money step 3. use money to buy more servers step 4. ddos people who gave you money

[warped hemlock]

:tf: 🤏

[kindred mortar]

🤏

[warped hemlock]

man

[pulsar quarry]

[gleaming dagger]

wait so i can just sub

[solar kindle]

just with real money

[merry elk]

{"Status":500,"Message":"Internal Server Error (400 Bad Request)"}

[gleaming dagger]

same here

[elder lichen]

same

[gleaming dagger]

tole

[elder lichen]

📣 DEV GUY

[daring gale]

ok hold on

[merry elk]

oklay

okay

okay

[daring gale]

i forgot something

this is why i did this

[gleaming dagger]

💀 he forgor

[elder lichen]

:skull emoticon:

[merry elk]

stage egvault isnt stage only

[pulsar quarry]

-9999999$ on bank account

[gleaming dagger]

steals all my money

[quasi carbon]

Real sub is 300 bux

[quasi ore]

[young sparrow]

wait so the sub button is greyed out on the live site

for me

is it supposed to

[gleaming dagger]

yeah

[warped hemlock]

are u on paypal

[gleaming dagger]

if you didn't dm tole ur ip then yes

[warped hemlock]

o

[young sparrow]

i did dm

[gleaming dagger]

oh

then idk

[unkempt hill]

Cum

[gleaming dagger]

try going to 7tv.app/subscribe

[pulsar quarry]

same

[tender crystal]

E-sex

[warped hemlock]

also @daring gale im assuming the founder badge works like twitch where u have to be subbed for it to show

[pulsar quarry]

yes

[gleaming dagger]

@young sparrow @pulsar quarry not whitelisted ig

[warped hemlock]

thx

[young sparrow]

[solar kindle]

forgot to whitelist my IP and sell it to chinese

[pulsar quarry]

take my money

[tender crystal]

this is the moment where he dumps all bitcoin and ditches without a track

[daring gale]

oh right....

i did not whitelist.. stripe itself

[gleaming dagger]

[daring gale]

and paypal

[warped hemlock]

[pulsar quarry]

[gleaming dagger]

GOOD ONE ANATOLE

[daring gale]

whoops

[young sparrow]

EL KLASSIKER

[gleaming dagger]

CLASSIC

[daring gale]

hold on dont buy anything for now

[elder lichen]

[quasi carbon]

[daring gale]

(if you did youll still get it though)

whitelisting paypal and stripe ips gime a few mins

[random gazelle]

[harsh wagon]

is paying 7tv subscription released

[tender crystal]

[young sparrow]

later today

[warped hemlock]

scroll up kattah

[dire brook]

[random gazelle]

send ip

[unkempt hill]

Anatole is yoinking egs

[quaint trail]

[daring gale]

why do stripe has so many fucking IPs

[stiff sinew]

mods, murder kattah

[random gazelle]

[warped hemlock]

^

[quaint trail]

@warped hemlock

[warped hemlock]

[tender crystal]

[young sparrow]

who is kattah

[quaint trail]

true

[quasi ore]

@harsh wagon

[tender crystal]

@harsh wagon

[merry elk]

wh

[tender crystal]

[stiff sinew]

thank god nobody knows

[timber folio]

@warped hemlock

[warped hemlock]

[timber folio]

🤮 weeb

[warped hemlock]

😐

[tender crystal]

so a early user badge is a myth...

[timber folio]

[daring gale]

couple subs shouldve gotten activated

[quasi ore]

[tender crystal]

Eggy

[random gazelle]

[timber folio]

[young sparrow]

can i get a whitelist maybe

[solar kindle]

ping me when im not greyed out

[stiff sinew]

^

[tender crystal]

[young sparrow]

same

[daring gale]

sec ill add everyone else who asked now

[random gazelle]

[young sparrow]

[quasi ore]

[daring gale]

if you bought through paypal it might now take a few hours to activate btw

[torn geode]

[daring gale]

not sure if anyone did yet

[elder lichen]

i did paypal

[robust nebula]

i did

[merry elk]

i did lmao

[random gazelle]

[quasi carbon]

I just tried and got a visa screen

[robust nebula]

i got an error, but still -5

[gleaming dagger]

it shows 'subscriber' on the website and i subbed through paypal. is it complete?

[elder lichen]

oh i just had to refresh the error page i got when i first tried

[merry elk]

oh damn true

[daring gale]

what error did you get? and with cc or paypal

[robust nebula]

"Status":500,"Message":"Internal Server Error (400 Bad Request)"}

[stiff sinew]

^

[elder lichen]

[young sparrow]

me too

[robust nebula]

but money still taken from paypal @daring gale

[gleaming dagger]

system message

[elder lichen]

also ERROR: Insufficient Privilege when trying to add a zero width emote

[quasi carbon]

Ey might have worked for me too but the visa redirect just went white and nothing.

[long quiver]

here

[gleaming dagger]

scamazed

[daring gale]

fixing a few things one min

[tender crystal]

[elder lichen]

🔧

[daring gale]

a few paypal subs actually went through it looks like

[torn geode]

[merry elk]

yeah after i refreshed the error page a minute ago

[rich lichen]

[gleaming dagger]

mine went through on the website, just no baj

and no 0 width

[daring gale]

badge had the wrong ID

lemme check

[gleaming dagger]

[elder lichen]

zero width working for me now

[stiff sinew]

now tole leaves the server and runs with the money

[gleaming dagger]

also i didn't get a noti saying i got a founders badge

[young sparrow]

[random gazelle]

we will be whitelisted

[daring gale]

i have like a million dms sorry working on it

[young sparrow]

its okay

[elder lichen]

👍

[stiff sinew]

nice

[inner sorrel]

Good bot

[tender crystal]

OILER

[inner sorrel]

MrDestructoid PETPET

[tender crystal]

[young sparrow]

not in yet

[stiff sinew]

not yet for me

[inner sorrel]

Gonna test later

[random gazelle]

[inner sorrel]

Someone is using my pc 😡

[tender crystal]

imma beg my mom so i can use her credit card to get a gold name

brb

[stiff sinew]

shared computer

[dire brook]

no sugar-daddy?

[tender crystal]

no

[daring gale]

restarting

should fix the badge issue

[inner sorrel]

Actually its my pc but im not at home rn so my sister has to use it

She's paying something rn

[daring gale]

i'll manually add the badges that failed to get added

[stiff sinew]

does she do the emote thing too

[random gazelle]

paying her own 7tv subscription

[tender crystal]

❗

[young sparrow]

[random gazelle]

[stiff sinew]

we will get in

[rich lichen]

[solar kindle]

sub feature is real totally not bots typing these success msgs

[olive sapphire]

gift me sub

[merry elk]

the cancel page doesnt say a date, it just says If you cancel your subscription, it will not be renewed, but you will keep your perks until

[safe acorn]

👈 🎁 ❓

[tender crystal]

[quaint trail]

any giftaz ❓

[inner sorrel]

Actually when she sat in the pc an emote-farm macro was turned on and she Said "turn off this stupid thing i cant search anything"

[quaint trail]

@tender crystalgift me trihard

[stiff sinew]

when the emotes have gone too far

[quaint trail]

@robust nebula

[olive sapphire]

👈 🎁 ❓

[quasi carbon]

Right so i can add zero-width's now but i dont get a badge yet on twitch. tried restarting the addon and such.

[robust nebula]

[tender crystal]

hell na all my nitro/subs are gifted

[inner sorrel]

trollDespair

[quaint trail]

@robust nebula

@tender crystal yike

[inner sorrel]

Any giftaz?

[stiff sinew]

there are gifters here

[topaz bobcat]

are you gonna update the changelog when subscriptions go live? @daring gale