stage-discussion

[finite monolith]

every combo of what

[unkempt hill]

of possible tokens

splitting tokens

then recombining

into emote tokens

and text tokens

[finite monolith]

that's

i have literally no words

[daring gale]

unhinged

[unkempt hill]

so yeah

now you know

why when you copy paste 10 emotes

in the native chatbox

the site literally freezes

for 2 seconds

[finite monolith]

it would be better if i wouldn't know that

[unkempt hill]

i will probably try

at some point

to not do it in vue

wont be the end of the world

actually will simplify

some parts

i still have a good part of that stashed

atleast like chatbox replacement and stuff

so it looks the same and interacts the same but is actually custom rendered

but just the rendering is what i didnt implement because it bugged half way through

[finite monolith]

hmm yeah

[unkempt hill]

so its basically just a regular non wsywg chatbox

[finite monolith]

the only problem i see is that twitch implement a shit ton of features

and change everything

and have 10 billion experiments

[unkempt hill]

yeah

we will build in a way

to remotely

disable experiments

it just needs to be that way

[finite monolith]

that's good

[unkempt hill]

just have an api endpoint

that shuts some off

[daring gale]

^

[unkempt hill]

maybe with some burried

debug setting

to disable that

[daring gale]

cant do otherwise

it takes days to get an extension reviewed by google

if twitch changes something and extension breaks,
well

[finite monolith]

👏

[daring gale]

the discord gets some newfound activity

[finite monolith]

[eternal iron]

We can insert our own emotes into slate i believe

[unkempt hill]

no we cant not well

ive done this already

we can inject token names

but not images

they are hardcoded

[eternal iron]

but we also have to add an observer to hook the renderer

[unkempt hill]

in a context locked

place

and to do what you just said

requires hooking the funcs

that run 100s of times

[eternal iron]

I got it working on an old branch

[unkempt hill]

so i scrapped it

[eternal iron]

But yea, was bad

[unkempt hill]

yes you can mutation observe but that is very bad

the current input box code does hook slate tho

i added types

for all the slate funcs

it restores history in slate leaf form

[eternal iron]

They actually dont care what you add

[unkempt hill]

no slate doesnt yeah

[eternal iron]

They just rerender on any update

[unkempt hill]

yea

what you said is exactly how bttv does it

they just literally watch the dom

[finite monolith]

[unkempt hill]

how do you say dom outloud

it always feels weird for me to say it the way i'm inclined to

i usually end up saying "object model"

or "document"

but not DOM

[finite monolith]

just dom

[eternal iron]

I think settings should be merged once i have the other base types ready

So other branches can begin to use it

All the settings will just be unsorted, which is fine

[finite monolith]

who gives a shit about sorting

[eternal iron]

Well, more like grouping

Becomes very nice when there lots of customizeability

[finite monolith]

that's pretty hot

especially if you'll make the close button smaller

and the description text darker

[shell schooner]

this is my mockup i made earlier

[finite monolith]

i approve

beside the small thing at the bottom left though

i don't really see why you'd need that

[shell schooner]

the login thingy?

[finite monolith]

yeah

[shell schooner]

could be useful for managing your sets through the extension etc

or for data sync

or cosmetics

[finite monolith]

i can tell by how you're talking

that you didn't think of any purpose and just think it looks nice

[shell schooner]

well its just a mockup

[finite monolith]

but actually

being able to control paints and badges through the extension is a really good idea

i wonder

if hijacking the chat identity thing from twitch itself would be better for that though

[shell schooner]

displaying all the paints in that tiny window would be kinda dank

[finite monolith]

hmm

ok lets not hijack too much

i bet melon wants to die with every new thing he has to hijack

[eternal iron]

You will be able to "log in" to the extension with you seventv account

And seventv emote links will be resolved to embeds directly in chat

So you can get a preview and click add withoug having to leave the chat

[shell schooner]

[finite monolith]

that's good

[eternal iron]

Also custom commands so you can do /add /alias /remove ... directly from chat

Those are actually working rn in the old extension

But we dont have a non jank way to authorize the old extension, so not released

[finite monolith]

how will we connect youtube to 7tv

[eternal iron]

Do you only do figma, or do you do css/html aswell? @shell schooner

[shell schooner]

nah im dank

[eternal iron]

Was just wondering if you wanted to do some of the different setting types

Most of them will probably be quite bland for the first release

[shell schooner]

i made a website for myself once and its super scuffed

i dont have the patience for this shit

[unkempt hill]

you do need that tho

because excellify wants to add mini controls

so you can add and remove emotes on site

needs auth state for that

probably wont be a login log out thing

because it will probably pull from your state on 7tv.app I think

[finite monolith]

one thing i know is that i dont know anything

™️

[eternal iron]

Also the ability to swap emoteset, badges, paints

from the settings window

[daring gale]

also apu

[finite monolith]

yeah

those are all good

[eternal iron]

7tv.app will become obsolete

[shell schooner]

7tv mobile app in 2024

[half glade]

companies creating mobile apps with the same features they have in their website instead of fixing the bugs route

[wet talon]

in 2024 7tv is owned by tencent

toe and troy are a gay couple retired in new zealand

and kathy is there too doing... something

[inner sorrel]

kathy is gambling on gacha games

anatole is still coding cuz he's a degenerate

[finite monolith]

Aware genshit

[wet talon]

anatole and not troy?

[inner sorrel]

troy is searching in the 7th layer of the dark web for femboy streamers

[random patrol]

less features and you still need to use the website half the time*

[polar magnet]

FFZ doesn't have the streamer's PFP

[daring gale]

anson show your ffz logo variant

[polar magnet]

I forgot it at home. Sorry class

The asymmetrical version looks super ugly at this size. I can probably fix it though

I'm not gonna show it

but here's the symmetrical version in the mean time:

Yeah I gotta fix some more stuff

[finite monolith]

Hey anyone have a clue on how you can do something like this

[eternal iron]

The ffz one dosnt have a pfp because they dont provide one when querying

[odd bone]

are ffz settings supposed to not work with the new chat

like for example if i was to put chat line separators

[eternal iron]

7tv overrides the chat, so yes

[odd bone]

is there a way to remove the moderation slider

[finite monolith]

:root {
    --xdd-color: #FFFFFF;
}
.xdd {
    color: var(--xdd-color) 45%
}

[eternal iron]

Will be, once settings are implemented

[odd bone]

Im just trying to see how it is compared to native chat which i usually mod on

theres been an annoying delay/lag for the broadcaster/mods on basically all large channels

[finite monolith]

That would be helpful for having a standard list of non transparent colors, so you can make any color transparent if you want to

[eternal iron]

That is scss only right?

[odd bone]

i thought it was compatible with ffz aputole

or is that only build 23

2*

[daring gale]

it's compatible in the sense that it doesnt crash when ffz is on

[odd bone]

i see

[eternal iron]

[odd bone]

but I cannot use ffz settings while on the chat itself

[daring gale]

it doesnt mean ffz actually affects the chat

no

[odd bone]

[daring gale]

very important distinction here

is that while other extensions only patch the chat

[odd bone]

im just trying to see it from a mods pov

if they're using native chat to mod

[daring gale]

or moreso, patch chat messages

[polar magnet]

If you open the emote menu before 7TV loads, the native twitch emote menu will open and there's no way to close it

[daring gale]

the new 7tv extension replaces the entire chat box

it's all custom rendering

[eternal iron]

Sounds like a skill issue

[polar magnet]

the skill issue is not closing it fast enough

if you close it before 7tv finishes loading, then it's fine

[eternal iron]

It should close if you open the bits menu or something i believe

[polar magnet]

ah I didn't try that

[odd bone]

highlight looks nice

[polar magnet]

still, 7TV should probably close it if it's open

[odd bone]

predictions/pinned messages and other features with the chat banner don't seem to lag the chat as a mod using the extension anymore

[daring gale]

that would make sense as it's not using react anymore

so its not rerendering 10,000 times a second

which inherently boosts performance by a factor of 700

or so

[eternal iron]

[daring gale]

mathematically correct estimation

[polar magnet]

7tv will take over for that reason alone

[daring gale]

im pretty confident this new extension will be liked

yes it will fuck with your other extensions

however

do you really need anyone else

[odd bone]

is this normal

[finite monolith]

Wtf

[odd bone]

happens when I ":" and then type an emote

[daring gale]

thats probably a clash with ffz

[odd bone]

probably

[daring gale]

both are inserting emotes in the autocomplete box i guess

[odd bone]

also, this might be the same thing

but I cannot @ people in the chat

[finite monolith]

@odd bone

[odd bone]

someone @'ed me in the chat and i just watched their chat line go by

and i tried to @ them back and the user never appeared

[daring gale]

yeah thats known its bc we artificially block the native twitch msg handlers

[odd bone]

@finite monolith yes what

[finite monolith]

I pinged you

[odd bone]

wide

[finite monolith]

** ** ** ** ** ** ** **

[odd bone]

and im assuming theres no chat pause yet

[daring gale]

wdym? the chat pause i implemented is the best by far

actually unmatched

[odd bone]

how tf do you pause the chat

[daring gale]

scroll

up

[odd bone]

oh yeah

im just used to pressing shift

[finite monolith]

MODS

[daring gale]

todo: implement shift to pause

[finite monolith]

Yeah

[odd bone]

duplicate automod bug still appears

but does not lag the chat

[daring gale]

thats a twitch issue

[daring gale]

or maybe ffz

im not sure

[odd bone]

its twitch

[daring gale]

but yea probs just twitch

[odd bone]

it only started happening recently

makes modding on native chat impossible

can't even make a prediction or pin a message on native chat because of how much it lags

[daring gale]

i believe its also caused by an experiment

[polar magnet]

here's the asymmetrical version of the low-poly ffz logo

[daring gale]

because the only two people ive heard of this happening to

[odd bone]

I don't have experiments on though

[daring gale]

is you and xqc

[odd bone]

[finite monolith]

We do a little experimenting

[odd bone]

nah

all of my mods using native chat have the same issue

[daring gale]

it doesnt matter if you have experiments on or not, whatever that means

twitch runs experiments

whether you like it or not

and you will be used for their experiments

[odd bone]

yeah but why would they degrade the quality of the chat for that

doesn't make sense

[daring gale]

you will accept being twitch's lab rat and you will like it

[daring gale]

same reason the chat input box literally rerenders itself 500 times for every character you type

twitch web engineers dont actually know what they are doing

[finite monolith]

React PepeAgony

[odd bone]

yeah but its just annoying to me who's always modded on native + ffz and all of a sudden like 1 month ago this lag bs starts

i thought it was cause they added shield mode tbh

cause it never had this issue before

its only if you're a mod/broadcaster on a large channel

if i go view other chats while im not a mod, theres nothing wrong with native chat

[daring gale]

i'll look at adding mitigation for duplicate modstate messages

so that twitch fuckery is artificially culled

[eternal iron]

Just render them natively

[daring gale]

it happens in general anyway

nah we need to handle those as well

otherwise no emotes

theres a lot of diff messages types we have to build UI for

[odd bone]

other than the customizability that ffz has which is why i used that over chatterino, the extension runs really well

[eternal iron]

natively as in vue i meant

[daring gale]

like rewards, announcements, subs

oh, ye

i actually yoinked the icons twitch uses for those already

just need to build the visuals and support the message type

[daring gale]

we're looking to reach similar levels of customizability by the time it's out to live

[woeful stirrup]

yoink them like kick did

[daring gale]

well yeah, except its just for reusing them on twitch's own site

[odd bone]

sounds good would love to use the extension with the way it runs

[daring gale]

so its not actually stealing the icons i just needed to import them in our vue app to rebuild rendering

[odd bone]

emote menu looks imo

[eternal iron]

There is an unmerged pr that makes it look better

[odd bone]

although this big ass grandma font could be smaller

[daring gale]

its gonna be good, everyones been doing really good work on this

[eternal iron]

Think this is the lates iteration

The blur will be toggleable

[finite monolith]

How though

[daring gale]

excellify with the UI work (bubu with design mockups), melon who built the extensive hooks to cleanly interface twitch's framework and ive been mostly working out the background stuff like dev flow, core functionality etc

[finite monolith]

Oh right

Nvm

[inner sorrel]

anatole can you please fix colon completion

[daring gale]

what about it

oh that

[inner sorrel]

normally feelsstrongman should show on both cases

[finite monolith]

Oh right

[odd bone]

its the same thing i just asked

probably

[inner sorrel]

im too lazy to read chat

[eternal iron]

what rules does twitch use to determine startpoints?

[inner sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/chatting-bean-twitch-gif-22634143

[daring gale]

@unkempt hill i think you implemented colon complete, might want to look at this

[inner sorrel]

my attention span is kinda washed rn

[odd bone]

sounds like a brain skill issue

[eternal iron]

autocomplete is just twitchs native :complete right?

[finite monolith]

Anyways um

[odd bone]

well for mine i have ffz's

[eternal iron]

I usually use the inline tab complete from ffz

[odd bone]

yeah thats what i used in the recording above

[naive hatch]

the one thing I iss when using the new app over ffz is the larger emote on hover. def one thing I'd like to see in the future

[daring gale]

will probably have some kind of form during the beta for what people want added the most

ffz has a ton of features though i think only a fraction of them are used

also we will actually sync the ffz settings

so any existing config from ffz, if we support it, will be auto-set w/ the 7tv extension

[odd bone]

very smooth

[daring gale]

replacing the entire chat is quite an aggressive move however i now have decent confidence people will see the benefits of this, and appreciate it instead of getting upset a couple of their settings no longer works

it is unfortunately the only real good way to fix the issues with native chat on twitch

the default is just so bad nothing can save it

so far most people dont even seem to notice the chat even changes at all (at first glance), even though internally its completely different

[woeful stirrup]

instead of getting upset a couple of their settings no longer works
👉 #help-old

[finite monolith]

I noticed one thing

You don't get the joined system message

[naive hatch]

huge W! lots of FFZ users spent tons of time customizing so many things to make twitch exactly how they want it. this is a great way to bring on even the power users

[daring gale]

we'll do what is best for users

[finite monolith]

Like if you're a mod in a channel and you get all of the past history but there is no separation between the old and the new messages

[odd bone]

if you do sync the ffz settings that would work for me anyways

[eternal iron]

And all the ffz settings that dont affect the chat should still work like normal

[daring gale]

there'll be complaints yea, but when it's out to the stable branch , if people have issues then id say they can just not use the extension and return to the laggy default chat

which lets be honest

when people experience this

they are not gonna want to go back to default

we'll work to support as many of the usual customizations as possible though it's impossible to support them all by the time frame we'd like to go live

[odd bone]

as long as the base things work i think that'd be fine

[finite monolith]

The only feature I need from ffz is auto channel point claiming

[odd bone]

my wide chat box isn't affected by the extension

my mod icons are though since they're through ffz

same with the split chat lines

[daring gale]

i do wonder

if this is going to motivate twitch to improve their chat's performance

when they realize

most of the page's fucking cpu usage

is the chat

[finite monolith]

Profiling? NODONTTHINKSO

Actually

[daring gale]

memory too

[odd bone]

for the last 3 years that i've used Native + FFZ, I haven't had a problem with the native chat until recently

for that bug shit

[daring gale]

native chat uses a shit ton of mem

[finite monolith]

Are there profilers for the web

[woeful stirrup]

Nah they will implement another useless feature

[daring gale]

ye there is a profiler in devtools

[finite monolith]

Like with valgrind and shit

Where you can see which function takes the most cpu time

[naive hatch]

nah twitch either A) likes to pretend they dont make money or B) is operating at a net loss because they have 1200 employees who sit on their ass and 98% of them dont do shit

[daring gale]

and the 2% that do shit write shitty code

[naive hatch]

but because they do the job they roll with it.

[finite monolith]

But yeah

[naive hatch]

"kinda" the same shit with twitter. "omg musk fires like 90% of the staff sites gonna go down next week" its still going because the people who stayed and still do work, aint shit changed for them

[inner sorrel]

which chat is this

aint no way thats clix's

[finite monolith]

It's surprising how none of the twitch staff give a shit about how slow the website is

[inner sorrel]

since when do they use emotes

[finite monolith]

It makes me think

How much can you improve the twitch site

[unkempt hill]

Capitals

[daring gale]

how to fix twitch:
no react

done

[unkempt hill]

Ffz does this too

[finite monolith]

Can we break the 40MB js bundle

[inner sorrel]

😂 💢

[unkempt hill]

Into?

[odd bone]

yeah it is @inner sorrel

[finite monolith]

Something more fucking sane

[odd bone]

i told you we influence them

they don't use them all the time just sometimes

they're learning

[unkempt hill]

Not much point

For an extension

It's hard to do right

[finite monolith]

No that's not what I meant

I meant like

[inner sorrel]

[finite monolith]

If you'd to recreate the website from scratch

[unkempt hill]

Oh you mean twitch's bundle?

What one is 40mb

[finite monolith]

Yeah

[unkempt hill]

There's like too many chunks

[finite monolith]

That's a rumor I've heard

[unkempt hill]

On twitch

[finite monolith]

Of the whole thing taking up 40 mb

[unkempt hill]

Nah they go overkill as fuck

[daring gale]

twitch kinda chunky

[unkempt hill]

Every feat

Is a chunk

30 reqs

For a channel page

Prolly less

[finite monolith]

Kill me

[unkempt hill]

But exaggerating

[finite monolith]

[unkempt hill]

Not far probably though

Very many

Is the point

[daring gale]

theres a point where chunking is a detriment

its nice to have small files

but

then each file becomes a request

which

if a user is not using HTTP/2

[finite monolith]

Http/3

[daring gale]

means it's 6 concurrent requests max

[odd bone]

the kino der toten zombies song was playing and they were typing that @inner sorrel

[daring gale]

so they fetch 6 files

then must wait

so it ends up being slower than a larger bundle

chunking is actually kinda to do right

it needs to make sense

[finite monolith]

Yeah idk

[daring gale]

you cant just start chunking everything and say yep thats better "because"

[finite monolith]

Easy to just throw into roll-up and forget

[unkempt hill]

It only makes sense to chunk where there will be too much unran code

[finite monolith]

Every day this channel makes me Aware of how bad the twitch website is

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-27058877

[unkempt hill]

[finite monolith]

I wonder how bad the frontpage is

With the autoplaying clips and shit

[daring gale]

how quickly i went from "nah man aint no way we can just replace the twitch chat, it would mean people would complain every time twitch adds new useless fluff"

to

"holy fuck twitch native chat is so fucking bad lets get rid of it so we can singlehandedly save millions of dollars in electricity cost from people's cpus being pinned to 100% by juicers spamming a funny skeleton attached to spinning ceiling fan in chat"

[unkempt hill]

Aware

[finite monolith]

Aware

[unkempt hill]

Did the copypasta start out as real

Aware that poor kids laptop

[finite monolith]

I miss the old twitch frontend before the react

Aware

Emberjs Aware

[eternal iron]

I kinda like a little smoth scroll

[daring gale]

old twitch was actually not that bad

[unkempt hill]

Wtf no that's so bad I can't even read that

[daring gale]

though from a dev's standpoint it was probs annoying asf to work with after a while

[finite monolith]

I have it like that in my chatterino

[unkempt hill]

I mean yeah have it as an option

But I hate it

[finite monolith]

It makes message tracking easier for my eyes

[daring gale]

im fine with this as a default-off config option

[unkempt hill]

How

[finite monolith]

Idk

[eternal iron]

Also, it only calls getBoundingClientRect once it finishes the scroll @unkempt hill

[unkempt hill]

Okayeg

Yeah that's fine

[eternal iron]

It works like the instant scroll if the duration is 0

[unkempt hill]

Although

I wonder

[eternal iron]

So that will just be default

[unkempt hill]

If you should move that code

Into an expose on uiscrollable

For utility

Make it usable elsewhere

[eternal iron]

That sounds like a job for melon guy

[unkempt hill]

Because behavior smooth is just useless on chrome

[odd bone]

is the delay on this chat the same as chatterino's

[unkempt hill]

Close

Sometimes chatterino is slower

But that's just twitch

[inner sorrel]

oh thats a banger

[eternal iron]

[unkempt hill]

I still want windows XP theme chat

[hollow geyser]

@daring gale I want to describe my impression and wishes in one message, based on the current build of the extension (dev3). Some points may probably be extremely individual for me, but I tried to take into account the experience for the rest of the community.

Essential Issues:

1. Twitch emotes are not displayed in the menu:

a. Follower emotes (displayed if there is no sub)
b. tier 2 and 3 emotes
c. Animated emotes
d. Twitch unlocked event emotes without their own category

2. Emotesare not displayed in pinned messages, ads, and presentation messages
3. autofill of nicknames via @ does not work
4. sometimes mentioning me in messages does not display the nickname in the message
5. sometimes your own message in the chat is displayed with a delay (about 2 seconds)

Secondary Issues:

1. Timestamps for new messages are not displayed
2. The user card does not open when clicking on the nickname
3. Instead of the slider mod, the old messages and new introduction messages display standard moderation buttons

Cosmetic remarks:

1. The font of the hints of the names of emotes is too big
2. More information in the tips about emoticons when you hover over them in the chat (name, from where (7tv, bttv, ffz, twitch or subscriber channel dash *))
3. It would be nice to add a mini icon above zero-width emotes in the menu
4. In the twitch -> "channel_points" category, the twitch points icon would be better suited
5. There is no steamer avatar in the ffz > "channel_emotes" category

What I liked:

1. Search for emotes through the message input window when the emoticons menu is open
2. Design and animation of the new menu as a whole
3. Highlighting messages with a mention of the nickname

What I would like:

1. A favorite feature or a category with frequently used emotes
2. The ability to collapse individual categories (as it is done in ffz)
3. It would be great to be able to sort emotes (by name or by date added). It would also probably be great if new emotes on the channel were displayed at the top of the category for some time (like discord, for example).
4. The ability to open the emotes page on the extension site via ctrl+shift+lmb

PS: thank you for your work

[eternal iron]

[unkempt hill]

So that's what you were typing

[hollow geyser]

yes

[odd bone]

holy shit

im sure this is known, but gifted subs do this

[unkempt hill]

Huh

No, it shouldn't do that

[inner sorrel]

yea it does that

[odd bone]

oh

yeah it does it for every set of gifted subs

same with moderator actions

the lines go through the messages, but only like 25% of the time does it show which mod did it and for how long

[finite monolith]

damn

chat pausing in the new extension feels super nice

especially compared to native chat

its like chatterino level

[shell schooner]

new release when

[peak shuttle]

Also cheers don't show the amount

[peak shuttle]

Something I missed switching to the new chat is knowing where twitch sub emote came from. Some emotes are interesting and I would like to know which channel sub give them.

it would be nice to bring back this popup

[merry elk]

known that the animated emotes are missing here?

from every channel

[finite monolith]

are they entirely missing or are they not animated

[empty dawn]

they're entirely missing but it has been mentioned before

[woeful stirrup]

missing

also how does clicking the icon works
it doesnt navigate me to the section all the way
requires few clicks to get to it

[finite monolith]

yeah

it's a chromium bug

where the smooth scrolling is fucked

it's probably getting removed

[woeful stirrup]

you mean smooth scrolling is removed
or the whole tab section is removed

[finite monolith]

smooth scrolling ofc

[woeful stirrup]

[vapid veldt]

[woeful stirrup]

i assume not all twitch functionality is back yet?
like showing channel point redeem

[shell schooner]

you got it wrong

there is no twitch functionality

[unkempt hill]

@eternal iron @daring gale

when did this change?

did it break or intentional

its not falling back to any native message types anymore in this build

giftsubs, point redeems

[woeful stirrup]

yeah not even highlight

but saw no error in console

[unkempt hill]

no not that type of error

its just treating everything as a basic message

wether or not it even has a text content, like for giftsubs its just showing blank

[shell schooner]

Usercards as well

[finite monolith]

@eternal iron now that the settings pr has been merged, is it time to port the colors and shit into App.vue

the emote menu styling branch will have to be merged first though

or rebased

i guess

[twilit halo]

Hey treuks, - I just private messaged you 1 private reminder(s) - make sure to check them out!

[eternal iron]

Check where or not you think the emote menu looks fine now @finite monolith

[finite monolith]

uhh well

twitch is dying

zamn

ok

there are a few things i should fix first

but it looks good overall

well

i cant fucking see shit

dead streamer dead chat dead platform

ok

i actually cant test shit

[daring gale]

twitch is down

[shell schooner]

do yall need the black twitch icon

i mean mean non colored version

[finite monolith]

yeah sure

uhhh @daring gale

you did this concurrent build thing

is this all the worker building gives you

because this feels wrong

[daring gale]

wdym

the worker is a single file yes

[finite monolith]

it doesn't say that it's built

oh

[daring gale]

?

[finite monolith]

@eternal iron i see you added a blur to the set headers

[eternal iron]

Yea, that made it look good when using the same background color as the main window

[finite monolith]

it looks donk and transparent so please don't do it

look its like blurred but not at the same time

that's why i didn't add it

[eternal iron]

@shell schooner

[shell schooner]

[unkempt hill]

how to make good design'

look up design

add circle

add blur

done

[shell schooner]

[finite monolith]

ok

i adjusted the set header color so it looks nicer

the only thing i'm thinking of is that the currently selected tab color looks donk

but i can't think of what to replace it with

i tried making it look lighter instead

and it looks eh

@shell schooner need thoughts

[shell schooner]

good

not sure if the tabs need to be visible if they are not highlighted tho

there

[finite monolith]

yeah

makes sense

i have a small idea i'll see how that will look

[daring gale]

hell yeah https://github.com/SevenTV/ExtensionV3/pull/33

[finite monolith]

maybe something like this

[shell schooner]

nah

it kinda looks out of place

[finite monolith]

?

[unkempt hill]

k cornhole prettier -w

[shell schooner]

i need to see how twitch does it

[finite monolith]

👍

[unkempt hill]

this is bubus design process

see above

look at other design, make more round

add blur

add dropshadow

[shell schooner]

if it works it works

[unkempt hill]

add gradient

[daring gale]

rip bozo anyone with a branch that modified imports

[unkempt hill]

get mad at dev

for implementing gradient

tell them to remove gradient

[shell schooner]

also we are technically editing twitch so the style has to match

[finite monolith]

ok well

[shell schooner]

so it doesnt look out of place

[eternal iron]

Consider thinking of the colors as a more global theme, so all the 7tv stuff can be styled similarly

[finite monolith]

that means

we need to do this

[shell schooner]

nah

[vapid veldt]

light mode

[unkempt hill]

wtf is wrong with twitch

are they down again

[shell schooner]

its literally this but its grey

[unkempt hill]

the status site just retracted the resolved status

and its back to major outage

[finite monolith]

ok

i still think that having a bit of an outline makes it look nice

[eternal iron]

You can re add the drop shadow that twitch uses

[shell schooner]

i adjusted the size of the icons and put them in a container so they will scale properly now i guess

[eternal iron]

I think it looks good for the emote menu

[finite monolith]

👍 excellify

i'll take a look at that

also

thanks ayyybubu

[unkempt hill]

why do we use the colored twitch logo?

[eternal iron]

Since i just copied one random one from twitch site

I asked for a proper one

[unkempt hill]

it'd be neat tho

if we did actually use the colored one

when the user is in that section

[daring gale]

oh true

[unkempt hill]

just the primary color for each brand

not the fulcolor image

[finite monolith]

so wait

what dropshadow are you talking about

[shell schooner]

worth a try i guess

[eternal iron]

box-shadow: var(--shadow-elevation-2);

[finite monolith]

no no

i mean like, dropshadow on what

[eternal iron]

From the emote menu on the chat

[unkempt hill]

perhaps actually though

[unkempt hill]

these tabs should just be replaced

[finite monolith]

that's pretty dank

[unkempt hill]

with some other controls

it feels a bit redundant and weird

to have two tab systems

simoultaniously

on the same view

and just have the 7tv ffz and bttv channel emotes on the top of your emote selector

on the vertical one, maybe with a small gap

[shell schooner]

its gonna turn into a mess

[unkempt hill]

seperating them

well i'd argue its kinda already a mess

how to I find this one emote i want

[eternal iron]

search

[unkempt hill]

well first I have to go to the twitch tab

then i have to click the channel

and then i have to look through all of them

so thats already 3 clicks

worst case

[eternal iron]

You dont have to click the channel

Just scroll

[unkempt hill]

to me

it just feels like they're there

to be there

to fill space

[shell schooner]

today im gonna find an emote with no way to segregate them

[eternal iron]

I mean, we could still group by set type rather than provider

[unkempt hill]

except this is not an argument

because your pointing to something

that will be exactly identical

[eternal iron]

And maybe twitch in its own tab, since that's still your emotes rather than the channel's

[unkempt hill]

your current design doesnt fix this

im not sure what your point is

well what I'm saying is I think we should just drop the "tabs"

and put them all inline

[half glade]

if a channel uses origin feature will those sets be separated in the new emote menu or just grouped together

[eternal iron]

But 7tv, ffz, bttv can be changed to channel and global

[unkempt hill]

yeah thats perhaps better

I just feel like its confusing

to have two grouping mechanisms

in the same spot

we're tabbing but also infinite scroll grouping but not the same spot?

[daring gale]

what yall sayn

[unkempt hill]

I think its weird that we have two tabbing mechanisms in the emote menu

the vertical one and the horizontal one

[daring gale]

whats the second tabbing mechanism

[eternal iron]

I mean, there are tabs on the top

[unkempt hill]

the providers

are a second set of tabs

[daring gale]

whats the second set of tabs

[unkempt hill]

the channels

[eternal iron]

Those are not tabs tho

[daring gale]

not tabs?

just scroll points

[unkempt hill]

its really the same concept though

[daring gale]

not really

[unkempt hill]

just the a different presentation

[daring gale]

i think its fine as is

[unkempt hill]

just because they're linked doesnt make them different

[daring gale]

we should persist the selected provider tab though

like most users are gonna care about the 7tv tab

not so much twitch or the rest

actually

just use <KeepAlive>

on the menu

that would work

[finite monolith]

does this look okay

i made the main tab bolder and the other tabs a little less pronounced

[daring gale]

transparency removed?

[finite monolith]

nope

its impossible to see in lightmode

[eternal iron]

You still see colors pretty well through it

[finite monolith]

this is how it looks like in dark mode

[daring gale]

remember to rebase from my latest commit btw if u modify any import its fucked

i made imports autosort

because ocd

[eternal iron]

What do you mean by keepalive btw?

[daring gale]

https://vuejs.org/guide/built-ins/keep-alive.html

[finite monolith]

ok whatever i think it looks good enough

[daring gale]

it retains state of a component

[shell schooner]

it do be lookin fresh

[unkempt hill]

keepalive never lets a component get destroyed

if its contents make it drop from the tree

it retains it in memory

until it gets readded

[daring gale]

this is a good use case of it here

should be used for settings too

[unkempt hill]

dunno if that will even work tho anatole

[eternal iron]

True, right now i just use a v-show instead

[unkempt hill]

i dont remember exactly how exellify did the emote menu button

but

[eternal iron]

Which is not really that good

[finite monolith]

hmm guys

[unkempt hill]

if its using a component hook it will probably make a new component per channel

[finite monolith]

should i prioritise twitch colors over custom colors or not

[unkempt hill]

voiding keepalive

[eternal iron]

You can set a max @unkempt hill

[daring gale]

max it to 1

[eternal iron]

yea

[daring gale]

if channel switches it's reset

[eternal iron]

But did you mean that we should keepalive the entire emote menu or each tab?

[unkempt hill]

then how is it better than v-show?

[daring gale]

v-show is just css visibility: hidden

[unkempt hill]

yes

[daring gale]

means all logic is still active

[unkempt hill]

and keepalive is just vue vnode hidden

it cannot stop the logic

if it was able to it'd cause the components onunmount

to trigger

breaking everything

[daring gale]

it does mean the component is effectively halted though

[unkempt hill]

keepalive keeps the components in memory like they're still loaded

their own code will still run

they get a deactivate event

but like thats it

[daring gale]

it's still a better way to do it

[eternal iron]

I would assume it means that it dosnt react to reactive variable updates

[daring gale]

v-show isnt good practice in general

i believe thats the case yea

u can test it

[unkempt hill]

i mean i see nothing wrong with using visibilty changes

youtube does this for alot of its ui

it just sets visibility hidden

but never removes it

[daring gale]

put a reactive variable, do a settimeout, set a watch, close menu, see if it triggers

it shouldnt trigger

though it will with v-show

this means

anytime we change the emotemap right now

the emote menu, even if closed, is rerendering

and costing in performance

[unkempt hill]

ok yeah that is true

i still dont really like keepalive at all but yeah it should be unmounted

in some way

keepalive or not

[finite monolith]

residential sleeper

[daring gale]

i dont see whats wrong with keepalive tho

like it can be bad if used incorrectly

but this is literally one case where the use is valid

[unkempt hill]

i mean yeah

but I just dont like the concept

of keeping all this unneccissary state

in memory

like its keeping too much

just feels like a waste to me

when you could just save the active tab

[daring gale]

i mean, alternatively we could also just store the active tab

[unkempt hill]

and scroll loc

[daring gale]

and scroll height

aintnoway

but then a bunch of logic in the menu component has to run again

each time you open

[polar magnet]

yeah that'd be sick, as long as they all look good in both light and dark mode still

[unkempt hill]

true but also like your saving every single chatemote and every single dom node and vue vnode

and

likelyhood is

it will have to rerender again anyways the next time you open it unless it was like 5 minutes ago

people who dont use the emote menu at all will probably only open it to look at something specific

which will probably not be the thing

that they were looking at before

so keeping all of those emotes in memory just feels like a waste when they're just gonna scroll away or switch tabs

immediately

[daring gale]

might need to benchmark

and profile

see what works best in terms of memory to ux

[unkempt hill]

what do we do right now

[daring gale]

nothing

[unkempt hill]

do we just render everything?

[finite monolith]

ux > everything

[unkempt hill]

no i mean like do we have any intersection observers or anything intelligent

[daring gale]

right now it's just visibility: hidden so literally nothing happens

yes

[unkempt hill]

or do we render the users entire emote library

that would be bad

to do

often

[daring gale]

intersection observer is used

only emotes in frame load

[unkempt hill]

then realistically its probably not that big of a deal

[eternal iron]

I dont think vue recalculates the computed() values if v-show is false

[unkempt hill]

since like i was saying above

the chances that someone opens the menu

and the emote they are looking for

is already there

are slim to none

they will probably move around or switch tabs, voiding the things that we kept anyways

[eternal iron]

So the menu dosnt refilter on emote changes when its not showing

[daring gale]

that makes sense i guess

[eternal iron]

Also, is there a difference between visibility: hidden and display: none?

[unkempt hill]

not much

but technically

[daring gale]

display none removes bounds

visibility only hides/show but keeps bounds

[unkempt hill]

visibility hidden does too

[daring gale]

so the element can still affect layout

[unkempt hill]

i think your thinking of opacity 0

[finite monolith]

oh interesting

oh right

[daring gale]

no , visibility keeps bounds

[unkempt hill]

then what one am I thinking of

there are two ways

to prevent layout

[eternal iron]

I think its fine to just use v-show for now

[unkempt hill]

but I dont remember what the other is then

[eternal iron]

since it dosnt recalculate unless open

[daring gale]

thats still keeping a lot of shit in the dom tho

especially rendering it all even when most users dont need to open the menu

[unkempt hill]

in dom vs non in dom doesnt really matter here i dont think

vue will keep these dom nodes around

i think

[daring gale]

keepalive removes dom

[unkempt hill]

no it detaches dom

the nodes stay alive while detatched

because vue is dom dependant

[daring gale]

it removes it from tree yea

only keeps it in mem

[unkempt hill]

i beleive detatched dom nodes have identical overhead though

like for example you can load in images and such

without ever attaching it

and it will still delay graphics

same with canvas and other elements

so I imagine the browser makes no destinction

[daring gale]

eshrug

[eternal iron]

lol

[daring gale]

@eternal iron can we merge your pr yet?

fix/emote-menu-styling

then treuks' branch can be base-swapped to master

[eternal iron]

Treuks's is based on mine right?

[daring gale]

ye

[eternal iron]

I just wanted to check if there are inconsistencies now with the highlight colors since he swapped some of them, but not all

Also, cant we just merge it into mine and rebase mine after?

[daring gale]

ok sure

[finite monolith]

FUCK

fucking vscode

autostage forsenGa

[eternal iron]

git update-index --assume-unchanged .env.dev

[finite monolith]

i accidentally clicked a button that staged all of the files

and then i didn't see anything and pushed it

[eternal iron]

But i think anatole set the dev api to the live one in an unmerged branch

So wont have to change it locally

[daring gale]

i reverted

that was in my massive commit

https://github.com/SevenTV/ExtensionV3/commit/f7750090bfcc40a915aeadcef8608fc431602e70

[finite monolith]

[daring gale]

im pretty happy with the new worker

definitely less jank than how it worked before

[finite monolith]

web workers

[daring gale]

it even tracks tab closures so it's able to unsubscribe from events of a given tab

[eternal iron]

Ill merge inn your pr now, but considering keeping mine up and updating the header with color for the selected tab

Not sure if im a fan of the selected tab being lighter since it different for the sidebar

Btw, is there gonna be a cd on cosmetics updates once the eventapi is in use instead?

@daring gale

[daring gale]

wdym?

[eternal iron]

Wouldnt badge changes fan out immediately?

aswell as paints

[daring gale]

only if you didnt receive a given cosmetic before

[finite monolith]

you're saying like

a cooldown between cosmetic changes?

[eternal iron]

So people will still have to refresh to see if ive changed it?

[daring gale]

no?

im confused what u mean

[finite monolith]

ok i am confused too

[daring gale]

the event api fans out create events only if the given cosmetic hasnt already been dispatched previously

entitlements however always dispatch

[eternal iron]

So if i change paint the eventapi wont update my presence?

[daring gale]

it will

it's designed to be dynamic

[eternal iron]

So people can change paint and it will update in chat without having to refresh?

[daring gale]

ye

[eternal iron]

Thats why i was wondering if there was a cooldown

[daring gale]

theres one on personal emote sets

dont see a need for paint/badge really though

[eternal iron]

Might not be an issue i guess

Just make some code that swaps my paint every second

So it looks animated

[daring gale]

i mean ofc theres gonna be a rate limit

but it prob doesnt need to be hours long like for emote sets

[eternal iron]

yea

thats what i mean

[daring gale]

maybe like 3-4 changes an hour, enough to allow the user to change if they made a mistake

[finite monolith]

be able to change it like 3 times in 5 seconds and then lock it for a minute

oh yeah

thats better

[eternal iron]

"YOU ARE BEING RATELIMITED! Please decide on a paint"

[finite monolith]

that's such a discord thing to do

forsenGa 📣 YOU ARE BEING RATELIMITED

[daring gale]

did u guys see my strongly typed event listeners

for worker messaging

kinda wickedge

[eternal iron]

Think i glanced over it

[finite monolith]

generics in typescript

[polar magnet]

You could eliminate "mistakes" completely by having a username preview before an "apply" button becomes available

[finite monolith]

oh yeah

that's good too

[daring gale]

that would cost me a hot minute of actual work

[eternal iron]

I think wardrobe in the 7tv menu is gonna be poggers

[daring gale]

7tv wardrobe in the twitch identity menu

[finite monolith]

i proposed that idea

already

[shell schooner]

It won’t fit

[daring gale]

no i did

wdym buber