stage-discussion

[unkempt hill]

[teal knoll]

again

[eternal iron]

Close and reopen chrome jeo

[teal knoll]

[unkempt hill]

yeah again

part 3

[teal knoll]

[muted dew]

omg

[ruby otter]

i have it like this and works fine

[muted dew]

i relaunch

[eternal iron]

All chrome windows including popouts

[muted dew]

i referseh

no emotesload

[shell schooner]

pretty accurate

[muted dew]

on any channels

[unkempt hill]

[ruby otter]

highlighted messages make emotes turn into text

[unkempt hill]

we dont render those

they're fallback

so this is expected

[ruby otter]

ah

[muted dew]

timestamp works now

[eternal iron]

We dont have timestamps implemented, so doubt it

[unkempt hill]

yeah

i was gonna say

[muted dew]

WHAT DO YOU CALL THESE

[unkempt hill]

if timestamps are working

then we are not

and youve got some shit loaded

[muted dew]

NO I FUCKIONG DONT

[unkempt hill]

CLEARLY

YOU DO

OTHERWISE

[muted dew]

THIS IS A DIFFERENT BROWSER

[unkempt hill]

HOW DO EXPLAIN THAT

[ruby otter]

jeo pov

[daring gale]

ok if you are trolling please stop right now

[muted dew]

IM NOT

[daring gale]

as if i find out that you are

im going to perma you

[unkempt hill]

[muted dew]

brother

[edgy blade]

is not being able to tap on any user in chat to see their profile expected

[muted dew]

idk how to explain this

[unkempt hill]

yeah

[ruby otter]

apart from everything I mentioned here and this ( #stage-discussion message ) everything works well for me

[muted dew]

all i did was go to annys channle and everything shiot itself

[daring gale]

disable all your fucking extensions you have 5 million of them

[empty dawn]

When directly switching from one chat with stopped chat to another (eg History.back()), the new chat won't start at the bottom, but instead at the location of your old, stopped chat. It's still stoped and the "x new messages" message is behind the slow mode thingy

[muted dew]

all i have installed is 7tv

[daring gale]

no you had like 50 on your screenshot

[unkempt hill]

oh yeah this is something we need to fix too @daring gale

not what he said

[muted dew]

ITS A NEW BROWSER

[unkempt hill]

but whats in the screenshot

we need a small margin

i saw this earlier

well

a few months ago

but earlier

[agile arrow]

jeo thats not very helpful

[daring gale]

@muted dew show your console in new browser

[ruby otter]

i assume pause on mouse over will be added later on

[muted dew]

please explain how i can possibly be trolling

idk what is happening

[agile arrow]

nice photo shop edit

[dull siren]

yeah he said on stage note that the settings menu doesnt work right now

[teal knoll]

anyways

[obsidian phoenix]

[dull siren]

i saw that also a bit too late

[ruby otter]

least toxic 7tv user

[daring gale]

-1 retard

[teal knoll]

did he just leave?

[barren patrol]

[teal knoll]

or did you ban him?

oh

ok it wasnt a leave

[ruby otter]

oh im i didn't see thx

[teal knoll]

i was gonna say classico

[daring gale]

i mean yea its the second time he tells someone to kill themselves unironically

last time to me

now to some member

[teal knoll]

yep

[daring gale]

he's not coming back

[barren patrol]

oof

[agile arrow]

can i get his IP pls

[teal knoll]

i made a death threat guys!!! look at me

[quasi carbon]

ooofda maaay

[agile arrow]

i wanna give it to the internet police

[jade fjord]

The 7tv settings menu does not appear

[sinful forum]

https://tenor.com/view/uhmm-gif-20993341

[shell schooner]

there is no menu

[jade fjord]

lol

[barren patrol]

[jade fjord]

[agile arrow]

Can u guys read?

[shell schooner]

you change the settings via commands

[ruby otter]

• This is an early test build. It missing features, such as a settings menu.

[teal knoll]

^

[barren patrol]

^

[shell schooner]

just type /cum timestamps on

[dull siren]

^

[ruby otter]

🥛

[jade fjord]

[teal knoll]

[agile arrow]

https://i.imgur.com/Nb7Ci7G.png

[daring gale]

moon doesnt have ffz emotes

[agile arrow]

oh i should not widescreen screenshot

[unkempt hill]

how is that a bug

yeah

I was just gonna type

he doesnt have any

OMEGALUL

[agile arrow]

i know that he does not 😄

[unkempt hill]

sees red line

[quasi carbon]

didnt work in alinitys stream

[ruby otter]

I have nothing else to report from my part, i've looked trough every possible thing in native chat and this is the only things i've came across #stage-discussion message

[barren patrol]

[agile arrow]

it's just the only error thing i got so far

[daring gale]

disable ffz

[ruby otter]

disable ffz

[barren patrol]

@mint gust ffz

[mint gust]

Ah sorry

[agile arrow]

disable ffz

[stone zinc]

Ffz

[barren patrol]

yeah what they said

[daring gale]

man do people read the goddamn notes ever

[shell schooner]

dibl fiz

[unkempt hill]

no

[barren patrol]

nope

[stone zinc]

[daring gale]

i need to make a button where you have to click "ive read this" before downloading

[ruby otter]

of course not

[barren patrol]

LOL

[agile arrow]

They should get a timeout for not reading them

[daring gale]

and even then im sure people still wouldnt read

[mint gust]

[ruby otter]

ye surely i've read everyhing

[teal knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/jakobglanc-gif-26492901

[daring gale]

dude its the last post

ITS HIGHLIGHTED BOLD

[teal knoll]

[dull siren]

"- This build is wholly incompatible with FrankerFaceZ. Disable it to test"

[barren patrol]

[dull siren]

[mint gust]

Got it lol

[empty dawn]

wouldn't work either. You need to hide a password in chat, pack instructions into a protected zip and people needs to read everything to get the pw

[mint gust]

So are emotes working for anyone?

[ruby otter]

make a whole puzzle to get access to the final file

[empty dawn]

yes

[barren patrol]

yep

[empty dawn]

Escape Room: Dev Edition

[agile arrow]

Only twitch ones do not load for me

[barren patrol]

unless if ur talking about the twitch ones then it has been already noted

[barren patrol]

[eternal iron]

Twitch emotes are currently not implemented in the emote menu

[safe otter]

ah

[mint gust]

Nah 7tv, I see all bttv emotes but all 7tv emotes do not load

[barren patrol]

[unkempt hill]

you actually should do this

with like a bot or something

just have a discord action button

[dull siren]

weird, if i use scroll click to scroll up, it bring me to the last message typed instead of normal behavior

[unkempt hill]

that sends an ephemeral message

that has the real download link

but you have to confirm before it sends it

make it a warning type button too

[teal knoll]

maybe have a bot dm you the zip?

[unkempt hill]

you dont have to

[daring gale]

what is normal behavior?

[teal knoll]

oh

[unkempt hill]

ephemeral messages exist

[teal knoll]

i c

[unkempt hill]

they emulate the same message type

[teal knoll]

[unkempt hill]

that you get from clyde

when you post nsfw

only you see it

[teal knoll]

ohhhhhhh

ok that makes sense

[unkempt hill]

with the blue background

[teal knoll]

yeyeye

[dull siren]

when you scroll up you have the popup saying x new messages

when i use scroll click to scroll up, it just bring me to the bottom

[daring gale]

oh right im on linux i dont have the click scroll

i didnt test that

[unkempt hill]

true

idk how you do that tho

[wintry lake]

[unkempt hill]

i think we ignore that\

because its too platform dependant

middle click does different things

depending on what platform your on

[daring gale]

i guess just middle click = pause chat

[unkempt hill]

on linux that will just paste the last thing

[daring gale]

can work

[dull siren]

yeah that not a big issue tbf but wanted to report it

[unkempt hill]

you selected

[mint gust]

Any other reasons mentioned here that weren't pinned for not seeing emotes?

[unkempt hill]

into the chat box

[safe otter]

idk if this is twitch or the extension but I cant @ recent chatters

[unkempt hill]

Towa
—
Today at 5:48 PM
yeah that not a big issue tbf but wanted to report it
Dini
—
Today at 5:48 PM
Any other reasons mentioned here that weren't pinned for not seeing emotes?
Melonify
—
Today at 5:48 PM
into the chat box

[ruby otter]

twitch

[safe otter]

ah

[unkempt hill]

yeah thats a twitch thing

idk if its being influenced

[barren patrol]

yeah i said the same earlier but yeah what Myke said

[unkempt hill]

by the extension

but we dont hook that part

[daring gale]

it might be

[unkempt hill]

so if its fucking up thats twitch

we dont tho

[daring gale]

we block rendering of messages

[unkempt hill]

we only hook the emote provider

true

thats probably why

yeah

probably will need to manually inject them

[safe otter]

I mean when I refresh the page I can @ them

[agile arrow]

only streamer gets shown when you try to use @

[dull siren]

i see some people personnaly

[barren patrol]

yep the same for me antiparty

[dull siren]

[ruby otter]

that never worked for me at all

[agile arrow]

i see only the one who just subbed

[mint gust]

I double checked and it seems like mine isn't loaded. It shows up in console errors and the only twitch extension I have is 3.0 7tv

[daring gale]

what shows up in console errors

[agile arrow]

nothing for me

[daring gale]

whatever userscript you have is messing with it i guess

[mint gust]

userscript only targets 1 site that isn't twitch

but will try

[daring gale]

well it clearly targets twitch if its causing errors on twitch

[safe otter]

disable it and try again maybe

[mint gust]

Did and same thing

[agile arrow]

when i dont filter for 7tv

[daring gale]

what is your issue bot

[agile arrow]

noting beside the @ thing

[daring gale]

ok

[agile arrow]

just wanted to show the console

maybe there is something for you

[daring gale]

@mint gust show your full console

[safe otter]

also channel point redeems dont show up

oh wait

nvm

[agile arrow]

https://i.imgur.com/cQu5K9A.png when i open the redeem menu

[unkempt hill]

we should do that anyways

not an error

but valid

[mint gust]

everything as of screenshotting

[daring gale]

so what is the issue youre having

[mint gust]

Mine? 7TV isn't loading no emotes, badges, paint, anything

[agile arrow]

[Violation] 'setInterval' handler took 133ms

[daring gale]

bot pls stop posting useless logs

[agile arrow]

ok 🙂

[daring gale]

can you show your extensions page

[agile arrow]

Just dont know what useful logs are for you

[daring gale]

your shit works you dont need to log anything

[unkempt hill]

only the white ones

[agile arrow]

[unkempt hill]

with no background

all of those

should be posted

at all times

[daring gale]

true especially the green ones

[mint gust]

Everything besides 7tv 3.0, volume master, ublock is disabled

[daring gale]

it seems both you and the other guy that claimed to have an issue had volume master enabled

can u try turning it off

[mint gust]

For sure

Yeah still visibly not loaded

[daring gale]

what browser are you on

google chrome or a fork like brave or whatever

[mint gust]

I have brave

[daring gale]

ok so both people who use brave its not working

so i guess its the browser

try on normal chrome

[mint gust]

Ah saw This build works only on Chrome & Chromium-based browsers and requires a recent version and assumed fine

Will try chrome

[barren widget]

tf is brave

[daring gale]

chrome but with crypto

[mint gust]

[teal knoll]

[barren widget]

Ah hell nah

[mint gust]

You can turn all that off, but just runs better imo

[daring gale]

(it runs the same )

it's got a builtin adblocker but it actually is far worse than ublock origin

at least for now

might change after google enforces mv3

[mint gust]

I've always kept it enabled with ublock but haven't had issues really. Performance is relatively the same. I indeed was talked into it by a friend that said (OMG you can earn money doing nothing!)

[unkempt hill]

yeah i suspected brave actually

because of the thing i dmmed you

[daring gale]

yea

[unkempt hill]

i assumed it wasnt tho cause the extension menu

is the same

as chrome

[daring gale]

not sure what brave would be doing here that is preventing the extension from hooking

will have to test ig

[unkempt hill]

[daring gale]

also melon ffz bricks it entirely

will need to figure that out

[unkempt hill]

yeah that is weird

it wasnt doing that up until now

i mean obveously i dont keep them loaded together but when i accidentally did

it never did that

[mint gust]

Still doesn't load for me on chrome

[quasi carbon]

That would be neat. i do like some stuff from ffz like swapping sidebars and such.

[unkempt hill]

compat with ffz will be limited tho

inherantly

[quasi carbon]

Ah right

[unkempt hill]

just because of the fact that its impossible to really work together

as we both need to change the same core methods

[quasi carbon]

Just make it real nice then

[hollow geyser]

I tried to disable all the extension, it did not help, the extension still does not work. Also I tried to disable the built-in ad blocker, the result is the same

[daring gale]

what version is your chrome

[mint gust]

mine

[dull siren]

when a thing like slow mode is present the x new messages popup appears behind it

[daring gale]

i am not sure

can you check the network tab and filter for 7tv

next to console

[charred pendant]

brave on 3.0.0 works for me

but not all emotes

[mint gust]

Could be due to some of them being bttv/ffz, no?

[charred pendant]

yeah

[quasi ore]

cheer messages also dont load properly

[charred pendant]

but the idea was that emotes from all providers are supported by default no

[hollow geyser]

Can you please tell me a little more about what to open?

[quasi ore]

new emote menu is nice

[daring gale]

f12 -> network

[unkempt hill]

f12 -> network -> refresh

[unkempt hill]

then use the broken emotes tho

[charred pendant]

chat is so smooth

[mint gust]

@charred pendant How'd you get it working? I'm just trying to get it enabled to mess with it

[charred pendant]

like working at all?

[mint gust]

Yeah

[charred pendant]

so youve extracted the zip file right

and added it

[mint gust]

This is the folder that is loaded as unpacked, all extensions disabled except 3.0

[charred pendant]

yeah dont worry about anything inside the folder

[mint gust]

No I know just showing that folder is the one that is loaded

[charred pendant]

yeah thats the right one

have you disabled ffz + your old 7tv extension?

[mint gust]

Everything is disabled, besides that

[charred pendant]

did you remove the extensions?

i removed mine instead of disabling them

not sure if it makes a difference

[mint gust]

Not sure why that'd make a difference but yeah even after removing still doesn't load

[charred pendant]

and youre using the latest version of chrome?

[mint gust]

ye

[charred pendant]

[mint gust]

yeah it's all good I guess

Good luck with testing

[charred pendant]

did you do it in the right order?

[quasi carbon]

@mint gust i tried the extention on a portable ungoogled chrome. That would take a minute or so to see if your browser is acting up or not. Then just delete that folder if it made no difference.

[charred pendant]

if so, i got nothing LOL

[hollow geyser]

@daring gale well, It was awkward, I had already forgotten how to use the standard button of the emoticon menu I expected to find a button with settings or emote 7tv. I think stand it specified in #stage-notes . But unfortunately the emoticons with twitch are missing Emote from other e-mails work fine

[daring gale]

what

[charred pendant]

markov

[daring gale]

yes?

[shell schooner]

forsen

[hollow geyser]

the menu with emoticons works and displays them from bttv ffz and 7tv. But it does not show them from the standard ones on twitch

[daring gale]

ok

yes that is true

[mint gust]

7tv doesn't show on top right of twitch, nothing 7tv related loads except in this menu

[jolly marten]

is there no settings for 3.0 dev extention

[daring gale]

💀 dini there is no way the extension has been working this whole time but you just didnt notice

[mint gust]

What about it is loaded

[eternal iron]

I should probably have set 7TV as the default tab in the emote menu

[daring gale]

no way

[mint gust]

I never saw emotes man...

wtf

[daring gale]

idk why youre not seeing emotes but clearly it's loading

[eternal iron]

And maybe added a message in the twitch tab saying that theyre not supported yet

[daring gale]

can you check f12 -> network -> search 7tv

[mint gust]

So paints, badges and settings won't work in this build?

[eternal iron]

Correct

This is an early test build

[mint gust]

Okay so the issue is too many streamers being stuck on fossil emotes

[eternal iron]

Emotes should work

They seem a bit unstable atm tho

[mint gust]

was meme about people having bttv/ffz emotes

I checked sodapoppin 7tv page though and emotes I screenshotted above were on his 7tv

Or prob was just cache issue

[hollow geyser]

@daring gale I apologize for providing initially incorrect information about the work of the extension. I didn't see any changes on twitch at first and it put me in a stupor. I think it would be a good idea to add a note: "try opening f* the standard emote menu!". So that there are no people like me

[barren widget]

true me too i was like wtf

[barren widget]

Is it supposed to reload/clear the chat when switching channels or just connect to the chat and continue receiving messages keeping the history?

Other than that works pretty good We appreciate You @daring gale

[indigo swan]

My chat disappears /w the 3.0 extension

[naive hatch]

did you disable FFZ? they dont play nice with eachother

[indigo swan]

Now its working, thx

hmm but now if i am tryin to watch other streamers it keeps try to connect to chat.

[barren widget]

wdym

[indigo swan]

If i Restart chrome the first stream i am opening its normaly i can chat everythign else.

The second one or if i'am changeing the streamer there is still " Connecting to chat " i can read the chat but by myself i cannot

hmm...
Its gone now after one more Chrome restart

i mean pc restart *

[woeful moth]

This may be WAYTOODANK but; I know as some random person on the Internet, my opinion may be invalid to some, but I just thought I'd share my input for the extension as someone who supports 7TV very much.
First Impressions
I am aware there is no settings, or paints at the moment, so this will be based off of what I see off the bat.

• I do enjoy the background blur on the emote/badge hovering, but I feel like the text is a bit too large, and it would also be nice to see the blown up version of the emote 4x.
• Not sure if it's planned, but I cannot see usercards(clicking on the user in chat), but if implemented, it would be nice to see: picture, banner, followed since, previously subscribed, and possibly some other 7TV stats (like how many months subbed or something, or just a link to their 7tv profile if exists) I noticed we can see usercards in the viewer list, but would be nice to still see them clicking in chat
• Mentioned emote text is too large, but for badges, they are exceptionally massive
• I noticed a css file in setting up, I'm sure this is standard for unzipped extensions but this is fairly nice, I recall the mention of customizing the look of chat entirely little bits at a time, but I very much enjoy this sense of full on customizability that you'd grant us.
• Twitch emotes modCheck
• Good to still be able to use colon search for emotes

It would be nice to see badges from other services shown (i.e. Chatterino supporter, FFZ AP)

Many thanks to all contributors, devs and all for 7TV and I truly am excited to see what's in store for the future of you all, both in terms of this extension and the livestreaming platform.

[hollow geyser]

I join your comments and will add on my own:

1. user cards are displayed, but only if you are a moderator on the channel
2. there is a lack of timestamps
3. emotes are not displayed in alerts and pinned messages
4. lacks the function of adding emotions to your favorites
5. It would be great to be able to sort emotes (by name or by date added). It would also probably be great if new emotes on the channel were displayed at the top in the frame for some time (as discord does, for example).
6. preview links to clips
7. Sometimes I have to delete all user messages and in these cases I use 1 sec. suspensions. It would be convenient if 1 second on the slider had a little more space
8. stop the chat by pressing a button (for example alt)
9. Smooth scrolling animation
10. implementation of binds as in ffz?

PS: will it be written with known problems and comments in order to better understand what it is worth paying attention to and writing about it in this channel?

[livid fern]

Don't know if people typed it already
I don't see any paints or cosmetics, guess it's just not implemented yet
And this looks weird, when more than 1 event happens in chat, it looks like this

Looks like they overlap each other

Actually this happens in normal chat too, never noticed it, but it's not transparent I guess

Other than that, it looks pretty smooth
Left is 3.0 extension

[polar magnet]

is the new extension linked anywhere?

it should be pinned

[unkempt hill]

why

look a channel above

[polar magnet]

ah there it is

I was looking everywhere except there

[green wing]

bro my extension aint work at all

wtf

my shits broken

[rain bolt]

only (rare) problem i've had so far is names/badges not loading as fast as the messages

they kinda flash?

[eternal iron]

Do you have cache disabled or something?

[rain bolt]

lemme check

ah yes

ok

no problems yet then lmfao

also there's no settings menu yet right? I don't see any 7tv logo anywhere to click on

[eternal iron]

Correct

[unkempt hill]

7sven tv

[rain bolt]

good to know

[unkempt hill]

for

sen

hey you react enjoyer

i have something for you

[teal knoll]

here we go again

[unkempt hill]

go help find some hooks on the twitch site

[rain bolt]

what

[unkempt hill]

it will fix your react addiction

you will hate react

trying to dig through its internals

and the 5 different representations

of the 4 diffferent component types

and trying to make code fast at the same time

[eternal iron]

.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.return.stateNode.deeznuts

[rain bolt]

you would be happy to know I wish react had some vue features

[unkempt hill]

nah more like .child.alternate.return._owner.stateNode.type.return.ref._owner @eternal iron

.stateNode

(sometimes)

but not always

[teal knoll]

god you fucking NERDS

[rain bolt]

vanilla react users hate react

lip ton

[woeful stirrup]

React to

[teal knoll]

YOU NERDS

HOLY FUCK

[rain bolt]

someday i will get banned for liking react

[unkempt hill]

that day is today

[eternal iron]

already shadowbanned

[rain bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/james-mc-avoy-wanted-fans-self-sweating-gif-5079413

the chat is so smooth holy shit

looks amazing however there should be some kind of speed adjuster

or smoothness

to adjust how smoothly the messages come in

because this is kinda close to youtube chat in a way

[unkempt hill]

huh

it is nothing like youtube chat

youtube chat is the exact opposite

youtube chat is polling

they poll an endpoint every 10 seconds

and then fake the incoming messages

to look like they're timed

[rain bolt]

no like the speed of it

it's just super fast

maybe i'm just not used to it

looks good though

i was just throwing ideas out there

[gleaming dagger]

my name color got FUCKED up

[teal knoll]

NINJA!!!! THE GUY FROM FORTNITE!!!!!!!!!!

[deft tangle]

Oh wow

3.0.0 beta doesnt like, override ffz chat

It just straight up doesnt work the ffz enabled

[gleaming dagger]

also joint emojis don't work

[deft tangle]

Yeah

I figured that out lol

Some emotes seem to be broken

https://i.imgur.com/9zfNyrY.png

[polar magnet]

need a few more arrows

[sinful schooner]

[naive hatch]

brave user here. getting that same emotes not showing problem. maybe something with the way brave loads because I followed the instructions and it worked at first but then hopping into other streams I had the same problem. all extensions disabled still the same thing. switched over to operagx and working perfectly fine.

[sinful schooner]

too used to the extreme lag of twitch chat

[polar magnet]

@daring gale so far I'm really liking the new extension, but it definitely needs the ability to send duplicate messages

[woeful stirrup]

oh shit that's a perma

[polar magnet]

maybe in like a year or two when he's learned that certain words are not allowed on the internet, he can come back

(hopium)

[woeful stirrup]

so what issues are known now besides disabling FFZ
dont wanna scroll through the chat

[still sigil]

have you disabled FFZ?

[eternal iron]

Starting to look like something

[woeful stirrup]

Thoughts: Chat is indeed faster, but harder to read at the same time since they move faster. Adding to that, the chat speed is inconsistent depends on how active chat is atm, meanwhile twitch chat buffers a certain amount of messages so the chat speed is more consistent. The 2 factors make it a bit harder to read (or need time to get used to)
As karson mentioned, there should be a speed limiter, or set an amount of msgs to add each time instead of 1 by 1 (at least that's how i think it works right now)

[polar magnet]

I personally prefer the instant message display, like chatterino

regardless of how fast it ends up being

[woeful stirrup]

and that's why there should be an option for it
some ppl can read fast and some ppl cant

[inner sorrel]

Since when is erobbs chat that fast

[livid fern]

Don't know, 1st time I watched him

[inner sorrel]

Did otk fall off so badly People are now unironically watching erobb?

[woeful stirrup]

He scammed and chat was rioting earlier

And he was at 8k as well

[random patrol]

prediction mastermind

[woeful stirrup]

i wonder what happened here

[inner sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/china-ccp-take-down-the-ccp-communist-china-tank-man-gif-20101581

[still sigil]

mentions are not working in chat

[green wing]

yeah i disabled ffz and bttv

[still sigil]

it should be working then

[green wing]

just removed and reinstalled gonna check now

the emote menu stays like tihs

after refreshing a bunch

[charred dagger]

Yeye. Known bug

[strange nexus]

yeah I was just coming in here to see if anyone's mentioned that one already I have it too

[still sigil]

a problem that i have been facing in the few hours of use along with all the ones mentioned above is that my chat keeps disconnecting

[woeful stirrup]

Elaborate?

[woeful stirrup]

the person i was replying to deleted their message
My message wasnt about your comment

[still sigil]

oh

[empty dawn]

Visited a streamer, which hasn't uploaded an offline screen. After their stream, the last frame of the stream was displayed as the offline screen (instead of the black screen). I'm not often watching streamers without offline screens... Is this a twitch thing or could it be caused by the new extension? I'd guess not because cosmetics aren't part of the beta, but who knows?

[daring gale]

the extension only touches the chat

[empty dawn]

maybe the same issue which prevents twitch emotes from loading?

[daring gale]

no

no twitch emotes in emote menu is because it wasnt implemented in this build

it's not a bug

[empty dawn]

aaaaah ok

so bit images doesn't seem to load

[peak shuttle]

When can we expect a Firefox build?

[daring gale]

probably next build, i would've made one but ran out of time

firefox has some nuances

mainly, lack of AVIF support, and needs manifest v2

[peak shuttle]

So it's buildable right now if I try to?

[daring gale]

yeah probably though all emotes default to avif so they'll be static on firefox

you'd also need to pass the mv2 flag

[peak shuttle]

I see. Thank you

[unkempt hill]

should work properly tho

ive been testing exclusively on firefox

gotta help the homies

firefox bros will recognize the scrollbar

its basically 1-1

i may have done a little trolling

[daring gale]

?

[unkempt hill]

idk it just felt right

with other timings and sizes it felt wierd

because im used to the scrollbar on firefox

[daring gale]

isnt it omega ugly

[unkempt hill]

like how fast it dissapears and stuff

nah

[daring gale]

the default one

[unkempt hill]

its literally the same

its identical

[daring gale]

they changed it?

[unkempt hill]

to the one on the trainwrecks site

yeah they changed it ages ago

chrome default is the super ugly one

[daring gale]

i see

yeah chrome default is awful

[unkempt hill]

🤮

anyone miss the days of xp scrollbars

mwah chefs kiss

im still waiting

for the exact

1:1 gtk theme

and breeze theme

that brings windows xp pixel perfect back

on linux

[daring gale]

during the days of XP we didnt really think of software looking pretty

[unkempt hill]

back when xp was still a thing there was actually a pretty good project

that was like

almost identical

i wonder where the sourcecode for that went

probably sued by microsoft

into oblivion

[daring gale]

classic

did u figure out the ffz thing yet

[unkempt hill]

no I just wokegged

[daring gale]

egged

🥚

[unkempt hill]

who removed the cum egg

[daring gale]

do u also have no sleep schedule

because like two days ago at that time you were going to bed

[unkempt hill]

no i just sleep for 22 hours

[daring gale]

[unkempt hill]

and then stay awake for 12

its an oscillating cycle

[daring gale]

actual sloth

[sinful schooner]

i love this scroll bar cause it looks so squishy

bring it back!

[unkempt hill]

SICK WAIT

@daring gale WE NEED TO DO THIS

as part of that thing we were talking about

[daring gale]

naaahh

[unkempt hill]

NAAAH YEAH

MAKE IT AN LIMITED TIME

EXCLUSIVE

[daring gale]

OK

fuck sure why not

[sinful schooner]

[daring gale]

we are just making twitch myspace with this tier2 sub customization

[sinful schooner]

yes

[empty dawn]

is the message highlighting from the plugin?
If yes, I think it's a few px to wide. It's overlayed by the scroll bar on the right side and is only separated by 1 px to the stream on the left side.

[unkempt hill]

it'd be so sick tho

• its always up to the user to hide it

I think our consent prompt should have two options

[daring gale]

limited time windows xp scrollbar

[unkempt hill]

hide for this channel

hide for all channels

[daring gale]

yeah

whenever a theme loads we just prompt the user

for like 5-10s

[sinful schooner]

can we also have a windows vista theme

[daring gale]

just like the sub reminder or whatever

[unkempt hill]

no vista sucked

[sinful schooner]

[empty dawn]

autoban if selecting the vista theme

[sinful schooner]

okay but consider this

[unkempt hill]

skewomorphic

[sinful schooner]

can the menu look like this please

if not here are some other options

[unkempt hill]

it might look a little sucky on chrome but i think it can do

well I mean there are ways to make it not look sucky

but

[sinful schooner]

perfect

[unkempt hill]

chrome's pixel perfect scaling mode

isnt pixel perfect

and looks like dog ass

i made a pixel perfect minecraft css pack a long time ago

and it just looked like shit

on chrome

no matter what I did

unless I scaled all the graphics to insane res

[sinful schooner]

trying to use 0.7 in the paint maker

[daring gale]

btw melon

i think using canvas to render paints is actually a better idea

performancewise

it turns out

[unkempt hill]

see

[daring gale]

css paints render everytime, for every item

[unkempt hill]

oh yeah WAYTOODANK

[daring gale]

while with a canvas we only generate it once (can even be done in a worker)

[unkempt hill]

yeah thats part of my proposal

we gen once

[daring gale]

and then statically link the blob to the paint

[unkempt hill]

per interned string

yeah

[daring gale]

as a background image

[unkempt hill]

not a blob

but a faster version

because we're working with canvas

we dont need blobs

we can pass around direct pointers

to bitmaps

between workers

[daring gale]

right

[unkempt hill]

much faster

0 copy

[daring gale]

yes

with a OffscreenCanvas

then there will be zero UI thread stall

[unkempt hill]

in my proposal I also use canvases

in dom

but they are light weight canvasas

that just take a pointer

its a special type of context

so we can animate them

without actually any overhead

and still do it off thread

[daring gale]

[unkempt hill]

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/ImageBitmapRenderingContext

[daring gale]

yeah idk if youve looked at the cosmetics page in 7tv admin

now theres so many paints

the page

VISIBLY LAGS

because all of them are rendered dynamically

[unkempt hill]

we do want to decide tho

if we do this

what to do if we miss a frame

do we show regular text? do we have time to show regular text?

like if theres 120 paints on screen

that show up during one frame

[sinful schooner]

ah yes

[unkempt hill]

we probably will miss that frame

and not beable to get the bitmaps out fast enough

so the browser will just have them empty

for that frame

just transparency

shouldnt be a flash though

ideally

because we can know the width of text

before we render

through magical means

[daring gale]

i cant help but keep finding it hilarious that i built a fucking primary election system for webworkers just to have a single eventapi connection

i
built shared workers but without using a shared worker

it opens cool possibilities though

like being able to display chat mentions from any other tab, into the one you're currently focused on

because all tabs in your entire browser instance are tracked and constantly peering to each other

[unkempt hill]

schizo

[finite monolith]

[unkempt hill]

tbf i cant call you a shizo tho

because i do the same shit

rewrites an entire useless parsing system because he doesnt want to use a library

remakes a scrollbar

[daring gale]

like just the fact that this code exists is just funny

because in a normal context it's totally uneeded

this is literally meant to be covered by a shared worker

[finite monolith]

Holy

[unkempt hill]

why cant we use shared workers again?

whats wrong with making a long living object url

and using abroadcast channel

[daring gale]

because they must be on a unique url

[unkempt hill]

to share that url

yeah but make the object url long living

to the session

it doesnt matter if its persistant

[daring gale]

i dont think that exists does it?

[unkempt hill]

if no tabs are open

yeah if you never delete it

it stays

as long as there is one tab

of your site

twitch in this case

[daring gale]

but how do you tell all the tabs what the url is

[unkempt hill]

broadcast channel

open new tab broadcast to tabs asking if url exists

if you get no reply

make one

then broadcast it

or localstorage

with a onchange handler

[daring gale]

i suppose

[unkempt hill]

or sessionstorage would probably be better

since its to session

[daring gale]

but i mean this actually works so might as well keep it

and it isolates workloads per tab which isnt a bad thing

so if we do things like rendering paints etc, itll only affect the current tab

so each tab has its own dedicated thread

[finite monolith]

👉 #developers

[unkempt hill]

👉 #dev-general

[finite monolith]

DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS

[unkempt hill]

what is developers even for

like announcing api changes

and shiz?

[daring gale]

not sure people asked for it i guess its for general dev discussion

[unkempt hill]

oh so like ffz's

dev-offtopic

[daring gale]

basically

it could be moved to the above category

[unkempt hill]

the nerds in this discord dont even really talk here tho

except like

anson

and he's not a dev

[polar magnet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1026851138106036394.gif?size=48

[unkempt hill]

i missed when I could create and move channels

how did getting a cosmetic staff role make me end up with less perms

[shell schooner]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/955357104938582026/990095902624579684/Fly.gif

[polar magnet]

being able to move channels is the worse permission. It's more of a curse

[unkempt hill]

true

[polar magnet]

In servers that I admin, I'm always accidentally re-ordering channels

and I have to put it back, and I gaslight myself about the order they were in before

there needs to be like an "edit mode" for moving channels or something

[unkempt hill]

speaking of dragging

[polar magnet]

or at least a confirmation for moving them

[unkempt hill]

anson what do you think of my ux proposal

draggable emote cards

with a little sidebar

that pops up during drag with your emote sets

that you can drag in and out

for the mobile andies who still wanna manage their personal emotes

[polar magnet]

I didn't see the proposal

but it sounds good

[finite monolith]

Sounds interesting

[polar magnet]

Small bug: People can't see my name when hovering over emotes

[daring gale]

the plan is to hardcode "made by Anson10X", on every tooltip

[unkempt hill]

do we do this wrapping on purpose?

[finite monolith]

Oh right about tooltips

[unkempt hill]

where it juts into

fixed height

lines

closer to native but kinda ugly

[finite monolith]

Do we want the tooltips to be more like chatterino ones or something different

[unkempt hill]

i think tooltips should have more info

like a flags display

[polar magnet]

[finite monolith]

Hmm

So will it be more like an emote dashboard

[daring gale]

we should change it to the same as the train site melon i think

[finite monolith]

[daring gale]

whatever we did there

was nice

[polar magnet]

Are you gonna implement some of DGG's features too?

[unkempt hill]

yea

what we did there

was inline

[livid fern]

Would the mozilla extension version be possible to fix gifs restarting

[unkempt hill]

everything as inline

[livid fern]

When another person post it

[unkempt hill]

so instead of multiple blocks

its one long string

[daring gale]

not sure laden, thats a firefox bug

[unkempt hill]

of inline "Text"

yeah technically wrong behavior on firefox

[livid fern]

[unkempt hill]

subtle line

in the specs

[daring gale]

any "fix" would actually be a hack/workaround

[unkempt hill]

canvas

chat

[daring gale]

this guy

[unkempt hill]

no thats actually a fucking stupid idea

[finite monolith]

Soon

[unkempt hill]

dont do that

[daring gale]

[finite monolith]

[livid fern]

I heard it once that apparently mozilla's way was the correct one, and chrome is the bugged one

Is that true

[daring gale]

it's not

[unkempt hill]

the specs are very vague

but after scruteny it seems that chrome is actually right

[finite monolith]

Who cares about the specs if it doesn't look right

[unkempt hill]

wdym doesnt look right

thats application specific

it might be right behavior

imagine if you were using gifs to display an animation

like a pause play

you'd want them to start when you added them

the spec is the only thing that defines the compromise

thats what they're for

[finite monolith]

What I meant is that if there are 2 separate implementations and one ends up being better without following the specs then it's better

[unkempt hill]

no

its always bad

because its non standard

thats how netscape and ie became so bad

everyone hates ie

because it just made up shit

that technically to some devs was better

but no it was objectively bad

thats a very bad stance to have because its a very slippery slope

[polar magnet]

specs are specs for a reason

gotta make a new spec if you want to change something

[unkempt hill]

a spec should always be the single source of truth

[polar magnet]

but realistically, chrome can do whatever they want

[unkempt hill]

and they do

and then add them to specs later

this is how people end up shitting on firefox

when firefox is just trying to be compliant

[polar magnet]

like how windows has to have special code just for adobe programs

[unkempt hill]

because firefox doesnt have random x feature thats non standard that chrome has

because chrome adds them before they're really defined

[polar magnet]

we truly do live in a society

Would making a Fullscreen Chat (like the FFZ addon) be possible/easy now that 7TV has its own chat?

[unkempt hill]

i mean yeah

i think anatole wanted to make 7tv like ffz has

with user contributable addons

the ffz addon for that actually just moves the chat container

react doesnt care because it has its own internal tree

[polar magnet]

feature-creep-duplication

[unkempt hill]

it literally grabs the element and adds it somewhere else

[finite monolith]

[polar magnet]

Only a handful of FFZ's features are useful IMO

but different people have different needs

[finite monolith]

I like all of the player additions

I think they're pretty useful

[polar magnet]

I like being able to change the volume slider with scroll wheel when I hover over it, just like YouTube

but it's pretty low on the priority list

[daring gale]

yeah so the extension was designed without any core code essentially

which is completely different from v2

[polar magnet]

so not systemd

[daring gale]

it's all utility/apis and modules

[finite monolith]

Coreless

[unkempt hill]

its only half of the utils too

its coming

pepeW

polymer

react 2

[daring gale]

oh right

youtube hooks

[finite monolith]

Bruhhhh

YouTube chat is so awful

[unkempt hill]

polymer is easier(?)

maybe

[polar magnet]

making youtube chat work like twitch chat will improve it by a billion times

[unkempt hill]

atleast its easier to actually hook things

[daring gale]

i honestly am not sure if yt will ever get better

[unkempt hill]

we'll see how easy it is to get it to do things

[finite monolith]

Polymer is just web components right

[unkempt hill]

yeah

[finite monolith]

Though

[unkempt hill]

thats why its easier

[daring gale]

however we are already there so we have to still provide implementation

[unkempt hill]

you just say window.customelements.get("ytd-chatlist")

instead of trying to wait with a mutation observer

and crawl a tree

but polymer does weird things with the way it renders

so its not all as it seems

[finite monolith]

This could make YouTube a good twitch alternative

[daring gale]

cope

unless we make our own chat servers and shit

which we might if yt ever gets big-ish (which i doubt)

but as it stands

im pretty sure youtube live is another thing that will make the killedbygoogle list

[unkempt hill]

probably

[finite monolith]

Not false

[unkempt hill]

youtube gaming is already gone

[daring gale]

yep

[unkempt hill]

so what are streams even for?

[daring gale]

it feels like a matter of time

they stopped buying streamers

the last buyout was what like

6 months ago

i dont even remember who it was

[finite monolith]

YouTube live is like fallout 76

They had an existing video platform

And they awkwardly added live capabilities

[unkempt hill]

youtube live is like super mario oddysey

youtube live is like call of duty

youtube live is like elden ring

[daring gale]

like when fwiz left i figured theres little hope left

he was trying to actually improve the platform

and was interacting with community

(even shouted out 7TV)

[finite monolith]

What I meant is that for fallout 76 Bethesda added multiplayer capabilities to their old ass engine and everything broke

[daring gale]

but the problem is that internally google is incredibly slow

theres so much red tape to everything

that no one can get anything done

because there are so many layers of delegation in authority

[unkempt hill]

google is always on the edge of antitrust

if they expand too far from computation their main market

like if google made merch

[finite monolith]

Basically all modern American companies are

[unkempt hill]

that was a google umbrella

they would probably get an antitrust suit

[daring gale]

im pretty sure

the executives at google consider youtube a finished product

and they just dont care to add anything more to it

[unkempt hill]

i mean

it sort of is

what else are they gonna do

[daring gale]

well, yeah

they control the longform video market

[finite monolith]

Youtube battle royale

[daring gale]

and thats what they care about

[unkempt hill]

well what they really care about

is having control of where ads are shown

[daring gale]

true luyle

[unkempt hill]

google is an ad revenue company

having the largest video ad platform

is a massive asset

even if its always red

[peak shuttle]

Decentralized video hosting platforms are the future

[daring gale]

they are not

decentralized video is not possible

physically impossible

[finite monolith]

Yeah it's just not

[peak shuttle]

It is though

[finite monolith]

There is like peertube

[daring gale]

nope

[wet talon]

I fucking hate that the word "decentralized" automatically associates with scams and crypto in my mind

[finite monolith]

But you still have a server

Which serves the videos

[peak shuttle]

That I own

[daring gale]

if by "decentralized" you mean peer to peer it's not possible

[peak shuttle]

no

[daring gale]

p2p video on a large scale simply cannot work

[peak shuttle]

yeah, that's always a dream. Imagine p2p twitch

[unkempt hill]

you mean

what they tried to do

in south korea

[daring gale]

i love my ip leaking to everyone yay