beta-discussion

[uncut cliff]

But rightclick could be bound to copy

[ebon wing]

ok on chrome i can

[kindred crown]

right click on name or emote should copy it to the input box yea, thats the plan

[lapis heron]

ok just a L firefox thing then

[ebon wing]

but yeah not on firefox

[kindred crown]

i use the chatterino right click to mention quite a lot

[uncut cliff]

We could probably insert an empty string after the emote to allow copying on firefox?

[kindred crown]

so def want that in the extension

[uncut cliff]

Does the native twitch emote menu show emote modifiers?

[ebon wing]

this ?

[uncut cliff]

I checked, it shows the modifiers when hovering it

[kindred crown]

added resume functionality to the eventapi dynamic stuff should feel more stable in future patches

it also recovers underlying/hidden subscriptions

[graceful oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-laptop-monke-sad-gif-19827145

[kindred crown]

@pure void https://github.com/SevenTV/EventAPI/pull/101

i think i fixed all the problems in this PR

wait

wrong PR

i meant the eventapi one not the client impl

one thing im not sure

is that this might anally penetrate redis

lets just say active subscriptions and missed events start buffering upon connection close
and when the actual service reboots this happens for every single connection at once

so it's like millions of redis ops at once ? i think itll kill it

[remote burrow]

Does the alternate background color override with FFZ alternate background coloring? looks harder differentiate when it's turned on, i can barely see a difference (also using f.lux)

[ebon wing]

a lot of ffz features are gonna be added with time, as of right now ffz features are not implemented

[remote burrow]

I can't tell a difference when alternate background colors in the beta is turned on maybe i'm just going blind

Turned FFZ settings off, refreshed, still same

[ebon wing]

thats normal

[kindred crown]

the extension syncs with the ffz setting for alternate background

[ebon wing]

wait it does ? my bad then

[remote burrow]

Would it be possible to make the alternate lighter via 7tv? kinda like chatterino

[kindred crown]

it's been suggested to add more contrast yes

[remote burrow]

Couldn't find it in issues/suggestions when using keywords "background", hence the question

[old ice]

badges arent showing for me

[true flower]

youll only see instant updates of yourself and others using the beta

[old ice]

okay

[jolly torrent]

seems to happen on prod too

[solemn egret]

a friend had the same thing and it went away by itself

[cursive plover]

As a moderator, I can't see when a person is new in chat

[jolly torrent]

also eh, is it only me or do emotes load noticeably slower on beta? It's still in terms of milliseconds, but the pop in is quite annoying

[true flower]

@kindred crown we probably dont handle this do we

theres an irc flag so its probably in the message blob

[kindred crown]

i dont think so

but it should be in the message data

we could just add support for it

but in a way that isnt as aids as native chat

[true flower]

chatterinos highlight isnt bad

[kindred crown]

holy fuck have u guys seen those flair banners for things like new chatters and whatnot

[true flower]

yes

[kindred crown]

it takes half the screen

[true flower]

padds in the message

then surrounds it in a box

then puts a pink line on it

then puts a header on it

[kindred crown]

[true flower]

📣 THIS IS A NEW CHATTER LAUGH AT THEM

[kindred crown]

yeah as much as i like to keep the looks close to native

this is one of those things

where i cant allow it

it's going to look different than native

and if anyone complains i will ghost them

[true flower]

ok anatole

just because night copied from you

doesnt mean

you have to copy back

[cursive plover]

I would honestly PREFER it to look different

[kindred crown]

yea i doubt anyone will seriously complain about it

[ebon wing]

[kindred crown]

its another of those things where it's hard to tell what twitch was thinking

[true flower]

they werent

it was just some guy

hey intern make this

no i dont care that you dont know what its supposed to look like

figure it out

[cursive plover]

Twitch? Thinking?

Nah

[tardy grotto]

classic nightdev

[uncut cliff]

I agree, for the new user highlight stuff we can make something of our own

[serene spruce]

the highlight stuff in vanilla has 2 options and it can be turned off though
'minimized' doesn't look that bad imho and most of it is turned off by default anyways

[old ice]

agreed

[kindred crown]

what would be a good shortcut for opening the emote menu?

[narrow wind]

I've gotten used to discord's control+E

[kindred crown]

nice

that works

[frank kite]

chatterino does crtl E as well

so im for that

[heady citrus]

I wish colon works and didn't have to open it

[kindred crown]

colon will likely work again next patch, it broke in beta 4

[graceful oxide]

there are shortcuts

[kindred crown]

its a weird issue

[narrow wind]

also control G opens the gif browser and control S opens the sticker menu

[graceful oxide]

[true flower]

Didn't excell already make a shortcut

I remember someone complaining about it actually

It was like on Ctrl or alt

[kindred crown]

well the shortcut he made was literally just pressing control

[true flower]

Yea

[patent kestrel]

Has this been mentioned yet? gift subs now end up as empty messages

[kindred crown]

known conflict with frankerfacez, tentatively fixed in beta 5 as stendec has now added a way for us to disable ffz rendering

[narrow wind]

pagm!

[patent kestrel]

[solemn egret]

impossible to mention someone in the chat without putting the @

basically, impossible to write the beginning of the nickname and make tab to complete it

[true flower]

^ i guess this is something we need to do

still not sure the best ordering

[kindred crown]

do we actually have to implement that bttv modifier shit

because then if we do it has to be added for every emote provider

[narrow wind]

Implement your own

[kindred crown]

i dont really like it

i think it can be implemented much better

[true flower]

no

[narrow wind]

Everything BTTV does can be implemented better

[true flower]

chatterino probably wont

ffz probably wont its way to complex

[kindred crown]

its such a bad way to do it

[true flower]

it'd require restructuring

their entire renderer

[kindred crown]

yeah idk its bad

so ill ignore it for now

[narrow wind]

but

you're making your own chat

it's the perfect time to make your own version

[kindred crown]

yeah exactly we would make our own version of it

an actually good one though

not this rushed out dogshit

[uncut cliff]

I still think my implementiation is nice

[narrow wind]

Only half of BTTV's modifiers are useful.

2/4

[uncut cliff]

Use zerowidth emotes that display "wide", flip etc if overlaid

[graceful oxide]

Reverse 0-width when

[true flower]

no we need to do webgl

emote modifiers

uv mapped

[kindred crown]

id like modifiers to be abstracted

[true flower]

distortion maps

[kindred crown]

@true flower remember the dank invisible unicode shit

[narrow wind]

turn any emote into a

[true flower]

yes

[kindred crown]

we tried to do for personal emotes at one point

[true flower]

yeah

[kindred crown]

maybe we could use that for modifiers

[true flower]

with variance selectors and unalloc tag

[kindred crown]

so the modifiers are invisible

and just abstracted at the clientside

i dont like it being text, that non-implementors see

[uncut cliff]

Why not just invisivble or partially invisible zerowidth emotes

[true flower]

its a shame the pua is rendered as squares

by default

[true flower]

because then thats text

why even make it an emote

[kindred crown]

the idea is if you type an emote with a modifier

to any client that dosnt have support

they just see the emote

but not the extra modifier stuff

[narrow wind]

That would be cool anatole

[uncut cliff]

in my case they would just see the normal emote and no text

Or if we decide that the zerowidth has some sort of icon to show that its supposed to be a modifier then 3rd party would show that

And you would be able to tab-complete them

[graceful oxide]

[kindred crown]

i dont understand what you mean excel

[graceful oxide]

that would be kinda annoying

[true flower]

he means

we report an emote

as existing

that doesnt

and our clients hide it and treat is as a modifier

[kindred crown]

Uh

[true flower]

but clients that dont know

[kindred crown]

eh nah

[true flower]

what modifiers are

just show empty pixel

kinda dank

[kindred crown]

the way i would want modifiers to work is basically a new field in the user channel response

where we define data of available modifiers

and we do some image editing

[true flower]

the way i would want them is user definable webgl rendered displacement non color data + color data overlay underlay emotes

[kindred crown]

yea

[true flower]

using the multiple data blocks allowed by webp and avif

[kindred crown]

it would be ideal to use canvases so that we can create new modifiers on the fly

[true flower]

you could render any type of modifier

with a displacement uv map

use the red and blue channels as X and Y

that points to a pixel on the source

[kindred crown]

altho not sure how dank that gets for animated emotes

[true flower]

you could make animated cubes or flipped

or anything

[uncut cliff]

So say the zerowidth emote looks like this, where everything except the indicator in the top left is invisible. Other clients would just render emote with that icon in the corner

[true flower]

and allow it to be animated

render it via shader

[kindred crown]

i dont like that idea excel

[true flower]

using the method i layed out for webgl paints

to not kill peoples browsers

[uncut cliff]

In our extension we just dont render it and can instead modify the emote in any way

[kindred crown]

we are literally making a new extension whats the point of doing hacky stuff like that

when we can just implement something

[uncut cliff]

But how would you make it not be just text to other clients then?

[kindred crown]

what i mentioned

using unicode tag characters that render invisible

and some of which arent filtered out by twitch

[true flower]

yeah twitch filters out the tag block

but

only the ones that are officially marked as reserved

[graceful oxide]

How would the user add the modifiers tho

[true flower]

some are in the tag block but dont mean anything

but most fonts still render them invisible

like

[kindred crown]

the extension does it for them

[true flower]

󠀀

[graceful oxide]

Yeah but how do you choose a modifier

Like it would be a special menu

or a command

[kindred crown]

probably yea, something like a bubble popping up as youre typing

then you can press left/right arrow keys to select

smth like that

would have to think properly of a good UX for it

[graceful oxide]

if you could make the emotes be already displayed in the chatbox before you send the message

The user could right click on it to open the modifier menu

Could also work inside the emote menu as well

[true flower]

i guess im not really opposed to having them be treated as actual emotes tho

because the most efficiant way to render them would be using stacks of images anyways

so just generalizing that and letting us manage them like emotes

with a different preview

on the site

like i think just some simple shader math displacement webgl is actually the best way to do it anyways

can make any type of modifier extremely quickly

with high performance that doesnt depend on how complex the modifier is

[uncut cliff]

To send could be like Stare _WIDE

[true flower]

even if its not sent like an emote

client side

[narrow wind]

I personally think the codes that BetterDiscord used were easy enough to type

Kappa:spin

[true flower]

using the same system and just a special internal system flag

[narrow wind]

I know I originally wanted to have emote modifiers as a sub perk, or like user-submitted emotes that people could pick-and-choose for their channel, but BTTV is giving away some for free

so we at least have to offer those for free I guess

TriHard:w or TriHard:wide =
TriHard:w2 =

different levels of wideness

[true flower]

that breaks rendering for unaware clients though

so its not ideal

[uncut cliff]

: is used for autocomplete in chat, so might not work the best

[true flower]

thats true too

[narrow wind]

only if preceded by a space

also it wouldn't be sent as :wide or anything

it would be sent as the invisible character anatole mentioned

[uncut cliff]

That might also break other clients´s rendering

[narrow wind]

yes but

[uncut cliff]

I dont see the issue of just sending it as an emote that we just filter out when rendering

[narrow wind]

You mean since the other clients already support 7tv emote

[uncut cliff]

And is either invisible or marks the emote in the corner

[narrow wind]

It makes sense

[uncut cliff]

So the other clients would even know what the emote is supposed to look like

If they dont support the modifiers

[narrow wind]

What would that look like on native chat?

no 3rd party things

[uncut cliff]

Stare _wide

or whatever else we decide on as the name of the modifiers

[narrow wind]

Stare _Install7TVtoSeeTheseCoolEmotes_wide

[uncut cliff]

When i implemented modifiers for the old extension I used 4x128 transparent zerowidth emotes

[true flower]

i used cum and hot sauce but thats just personal preference

a pinch of salt

[uncut cliff]

hmm, could have done that yea

[true flower]

i made a snowflake

[narrow wind]

Melon subtly calling me and excel snowflakes

[uncut cliff]

[narrow wind]

but can this be done in real-time?

in chat?

forsenE _kaleidoscope

[uncut cliff]

Feel like you´ve been trail moderator forever now @narrow wind

[narrow wind]

nah

It's only been like a month or something

I have another 2 years of trial period

it's been 3 weeks

and 2 days

[true flower]

yea

if we do my method

[narrow wind]

[true flower]

literally any combination of effects could be summated into a set of data that can be quickly applied

in real time

except for hard to parrellelize effects

like ones that branch depending on colors

or modify colors in a non linear way

[narrow wind]

non linear meaning like hue-shifting?

[true flower]

yeah anything

that cant be done by adding or subtracting

would be difficult to do

[narrow wind]

hmm

[true flower]

without custom code to do it

[narrow wind]

What about multiplying the pixels by a color?

[true flower]

well adding subtracting and moving

well yeah the more you add the more overly complex it becomes

it really could just be as simple an impl as just displacing colors

forgetting other color changes

[narrow wind]

hue-cycling would be one of the better emote modifier ideas

even if it's just multiplying the colors by another emote

[blissful ermine]

[narrow wind]

because having hue-rotation look good is hard

you need complicated math

Lab color conversion

if you just do the cheap method the colors look like trash

[true flower]

seal lab

[old ice]

yayyyy the colon to search emotes works now 😄

[sacred pike]

wut really?

nah thats a whole ass lie

[narrow wind]

https://github.com/velipso/sndfilter

here's that compressor

[true flower]

for what

[narrow wind]

if not the one FFZ uses, it behaves identically to it

[true flower]

its not

this is a C library

the one FFZ uses is built into your browser

its part of the web audio api

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/DynamicsCompressorNode

obscure features like this are why browsers seem overly huge

because they have to implement everything that someone might want to have in a webpage

your browser is a daw and a game engine and a printable document engine and a graphics engine

and a vector rastorization engine

and when a browser misses one they're called shit and garbage and chrome is better

oh @narrow wind

heres why

it functions identically

from the readme of that project you posted

that'd be why, because they just copied chrome source

[narrow wind]

I C

FFZ needs a GUI for its compressor though

with a ratio graph

this is must

[true flower]

i jokingly said this

i almost pinged you too

[narrow wind]

I know about this compressor from a jailbreak tweak for iPhone

iOS does SO MUCH PROCESSING to audio though

it's arguably over-engineered

it would be ideal if tweaks could just expose that functionality for the user to play with

rather than running audio through a 3rd party compressor before sending the audio through the normal iOS processing

[cursive plover]

I'm unable to use TAB to complete entering a username
Example: Scrimbles has raided
Me normally: !so Scri tab key until it shows their name
Me now: !so Scri tab key does nothing

[covert sparrow]

does it work typing @ first

[cursive plover]

Yes but that's like two whole extra keys to press

[covert sparrow]

😬

there will probably eventually be a setting for allowing tabbing for usernames without @ but it's kinda aids for emote tabbing

gonna accidentally tab omegalul123

[cursive plover]

[covert sparrow]

would be nice if right clicking an username in chat autofilled in your textbox tho

just like in chatterino

[sacred pike]

#beta-discussion message

thats Anatoles plan eventually

[covert sparrow]

I figured as much

[short compass]

@kindred crown not sure if you missed my question, but is redirecting to a 3rd party emote's page on click planned?

[uncut cliff]

Maybe on shift click or something. 3rd party emote cards are planned which will also include ways of going to 3rd party sites

[kindred crown]

code cleanup day

[narrow wind]

This is must

[remote burrow]

[hollow trellis]

after some time the emote showcase thingy just dies

[kindred crown]

emote showcase thingy?

[tardy grotto]

is it possible to see a channel sub emotes in the emote menu before you sub?

like seeing the emotes with a lock on them or w/e

[hollow trellis]

i think the name is toolbox

[kindred crown]

wutf

[hollow trellis]

this fucking thin

[narrow wind]

I think the word you’re looking for is “Tooltip”

Even though emotes aren’t really “tools”

There’s another name for them though. Like “emote hover preview” or something

[versed temple]

Isnt it the emote card?

[graceful oxide]

Clicking on an emote opens the emote card

[narrow wind]

What’s it called when you just hover it?

[graceful oxide]

it’s both a preview and a tooltip I guess

[celest wigeon]

will we be able to see a paints name when we hover someones name in chat

[leaden patio]

That would be cool

[narrow wind]

Well you can already do that on the 7TV website. Surely that’s a feature that Anatole wants to implement at some point

[edgy glacier]

And if you dont have that paint already you could buy it for the reasonable price of 7tv's

[patent pewter]

Great idea. i subbed in June and missed the 80´s pool from May i like it so much i could buy it anytime if it was possible. If only i had subbed a week earlier...

[edgy glacier]

I know there has been talks about it. One of these days

[narrow wind]

Not a bad idea tbh

Just like the ability to buy paints outright

The Twitter outrage mob would love to hate on it though

What about: paying for retroactive months

Like if you missed last month’s paint, you could just advance an extra $4 to pay for the previous month

[versed temple]

Make a paint gacha instead

[narrow wind]

Also discussed

[patent pewter]

Retroactively would be perfect for me ! Need to go from June 2022 to May 2022 only ! No skipping or hopping back and forth!

Would help unlock badges one month earlier in the future too !

[tardy grotto]

[heavy widget]

I want to buy the twitchcon paint and founders badge. also discussed?

[cursive rampart]

cptdrax finished their beauty sleep: YO 💤 (9h, 14m ago)

[heavy widget]

[narrow wind]

🤙

[tawny pewter]

[blazing stream]

Hello everyone.

1. Where can I see the changelog for 7tv v3? I want to see if this is part of the UI overhaul #1046391883326312468 message

2. How can I play around with the new UI?

Thanks in advance

[uncut cliff]

This beta is for the extension and not the website. You can see all changes here https://github.com/SevenTV/ExtensionV3

[blazing stream]

Thank you @uncut cliff

[narrow wind]

The ability to add emote sets as “origins” to another emote set kinda solves the problem of making seasonal emote sets

You still can’t “copy” a set but I’d argue that for the purposes of seasonal sets, copying wouldn’t actually be very helpful.

With origins, there’s no need to have the same emotes in multiple sets

[blazing stream]

@narrow wind Thank you for your timely response! I mostly agree with your thoughts. Please see below 🙂

This functionality will work really well with the new Origins feature as well, since we can easily split a large emote set into independently managed Origin sets, and can mix and match depending on the use case at that time.

Multi select and cut/copy/paste will help a lot in terms of quality of life improvements because we don't need to manually search for and add hundreds of seasonal emotes to the new set, if we already have them in the default set.

For new streamers the Origins functionality is extremely helpful and adequate

[narrow wind]

Yeah it would be useful for splitting emote sets into separate sets, BUT it still wouldn’t be THAT much faster. It only needs to be done once anyway. It’s hard to convince Anatole to develop a feature that will only need to be used once by a handful of people.

[blazing stream]

That's a fair point about the dev team's priorities. The use cases for multi select are not just limited for one streamer/user though, or for specifically seasonal emotes.

Origins may allow us to import a different streamer's emote set into our default set, but the access/control to that original emote set won't be with us, so we can't fully manage the emotes that are in our default set

Also, is this the right forum for this discussion? Sorry I'm not well versed about this server ❤️

[narrow wind]

Nah it’s fine

[blazing stream]

Ty

[narrow wind]

Yeah the access control thing has been discussed

It would have to be a copy

Because otherwise people might add emotes that another streamer doesn’t want etc

[blazing stream]

Exactly

[narrow wind]

But the backend side is a little complicated

Since it would quickly inflate the size of the database

[blazing stream]

That's definitely true

[narrow wind]

And other problems I don’t remember

[blazing stream]

I dunno to what order of magnitude the copying will inflate the DB. I don't want us to get into the details of data representation or data compression here though.

Technical limitations aside, I do think that multi select is a huge quality of life improvement to a very large number of customers, so if doubling or tripling the size of the DB can solve it, the pros would definitely outweigh the cons.

Thanks for this healthy discussion @narrow wind I really appreciate your time!

I'm open for discussion in DMs. I think it's an interesting and helpful topic to discuss

[open lantern]

I dislike the fact that "Shift + E" is emote opening hotkey

I cannot even type capital E in chat anymore

[tardy grotto]

caps lock

[uncut cliff]

I think it was supposed to be ctrl + e

will probably be changed in the next version

[open lantern]

yeah, reading stage-discussion, seems like oopsie

[scenic pelican]

yo

does the chat extention work with the watching tab in chaterino

[open lantern]

doesn't work btw

[amber kelp]

personal emote is only loaded after i chat is that a thing?

[versed temple]

Yes

[versed temple]

#beta-discussion message

you can still go back to v2

good
fuck kekw

[tardy grotto]

use good emotes to do so then

[hard sable]

"KEKW"

Same problem tho

looks like a bug

[lavish flicker]

so i have a question about the v3 addon. i originally wanted to suggest for a option to see the emotes bigger when i hover over them in chat and in the emote menu and then i noticed a network call for the 4x file

does this mean its using and displaying the 4x at the size of 1x? (all emotes for this image are displayed at 61x32 no matter #x)
and i wonder if this may be why it feels laggy for me

[earnest valve]

jesus christ the E bug makes the current version literally unusuable

[cursive rampart]

radio is no longer AFK: (no message) (2h, 35m ago)

[amber kelp]

beta 5 online

[patent pewter]

No way what’s new?

[amber kelp]

Version 3.0.0.5000 (Beta 5)
Colon auto-complete ( :emote ) should now work again
Added new config option ("Message Batching") to change the rate at which new messages appear
Significantly improved the performance of the Emote Menu
The jump buttons in the Emote Menu should now work properly on Chrome
Made tentative performance improvements to the chat. Please report any regressions
The page should no longer substantially freeze when tabbing in after a few seconds out of focus
The page should no longer occasionally freeze when switching between channels
The page should no longer feel sluggish for the first few seconds after loading into a channel
Fixed a conflict with FrankerFaceZ where some message types did not render properly
Fixed an issue which caused EventAPI subscription commands to be sent twice

[tardy grotto]

Message batching??

[amber kelp]

[tardy grotto]

Wtf

[versed temple]

did it not load after a few secs?

[amber kelp]

[versed temple]

mine just load instantly on chrome

edge?

[amber kelp]

edge

btw are ffz and bttv extension needed anymore?

[versed temple]

you can have ffz, but bttv is kinda because sometimes they clash with each other

[sacred pike]

I just tried it out. hopefully that gets fixed quick

[amber kelp]

i remove both then

[tardy grotto]

ffz had stuff for all the whole site

Not just for the chat

[amber kelp]

[tardy grotto]

But bttv for sure not needed

[versed temple]

: emote search does not load emotes properly

[tardy grotto]

Xqc's room

[kindred crown]

it's not currently an issue

you probably have an older version

[kindred crown]

it has been fixed

or so, never actually made it into a release

it was only that way on firefox

[earnest valve]

oh i reenabled it and seems to work now

everytime i clicked E it just brought up the emote menu

[sacred pike]

i was on operagx any time I tried to colon complete an emote with an e in it it pulled up the emote menu.

[earnest valve]

yeah im on chrome

and it just brought it up every single time i clicked e

[kindred crown]

i guess you got unlucky in the 5 minutes where the extension updated to the bad build on chrome

[sacred pike]

my luck

[kindred crown]

i wasnt able to cancel it so i had to publish and then upload the fix

[earnest valve]

avg

[kindred crown]

we have instant approval on chrome web store atm so its stonks

[earnest valve]

[amber kelp]

[earnest valve]

[amber kelp]

release beta 6 then

[cloud mesa]

now in chat when i type "E" its open emote panel

i see problem on top, sorry

[sacred pike]

yup I literally must have updated it in the time that the borked build was up. literally sniped it working great now. @kindred crown thank you!

[kindred crown]

just update, either via extensions page or restart browser

or itll do it by itself within a few hrs

[crimson quest]

First time I've seen this happen but i guess its a possibility of happening (firefox) -- tried refreshing and it did not fix either. Only happens if I try to watch strim for some reason. Opened other streams at the same time and the chats were fine

[kindred crown]

by any chance have you at any point today closed out all your twitch tabs

[crimson quest]

never

yeah that fixed it

just had to turn it off then on again

[kindred crown]

[hollow trellis]

acting kinda sus anatole

[kindred crown]

thoughts on this more simplistic highlight style

i heavily despise the bulky twitch native one

[hollow trellis]

ok

hear me out

[true flower]

not really a fan of the inset tho

[kindred crown]

wdym

[true flower]

how its off over there on the left

[graceful oxide]

true

[kindred crown]

where would you put it

[true flower]

same place inline

or atleast a badge multiple

offset

the way it is feels clashing

like if there were messages above and below

it'd look weird i think

[kindred crown]

wdym

by inline

[graceful oxide]

so it looks like a regular message

instead of being pushed to the side

[heavy widget]

twitch offers two ways of displaying highlights. Could the plugin support a minimalist and a bulky one?

[kindred crown]

both styles are gigabulky

[shadow basalt]

jigabulk

[heavy widget]

I prefer the default one for sus and first time chatters. Maybe depends on chat size and active user count, idk. The native minimalist is indeed too bulky. That's why I didn't activate it for other messages. If it would be just a background highlight, like your example, I'd possible use it for mods/vips as well.

[sacred pike]

I get what you're saying like this is what you'd prefer

[graceful oxide]

yes

[true flower]

well not out that far since if there were no badges it'd be offset too much

suspicious user messages typically wont have any badges

since twitch doesnt send them, they dont come over irc

[sacred pike]

thats true didnt think about that

[graceful oxide]

how does it look like if the message is longer

[graceful oxide]

[kindred crown]

pag with a stick up his ass

[sacred pike]

categories

[graceful oxide]

i think the chevrons should face right tho

[uncut cliff]

I think they should face right up your ...

sry

[graceful oxide]

[uncut cliff]

Better? https://i.imgur.com/YwuXQbF.gif @graceful oxide

[graceful oxide]

i guess that works

[kindred crown]

chevrons should face right if it's collapsed

not up

[graceful oxide]

yeah thats what i meant earlier

[uncut cliff]

Ok, so which direction when collapsed, and which if open?

[true flower]

when you click on a tab

[kindred crown]

collapsed ➡️
expanded 🔽

[true flower]

it should default to expanding the section as well

there should be no destinction

between tab open and section expanded

thats overcomplication

[uncut cliff]

I had that to begin with, but didnt like it

And the subcategories are just scrollpoints in the category

[true flower]

exactly

which is why

it should be open

when you open the tab

there shouldnt be two clicks

is what im saying

like the chevron

shouldnt be a button

because its not really a folder or category

its just additional information for the tab

that happen to be breakpoints

[narrow wind]

suspicious user

[tardy grotto]

[covert sparrow]

yoinking ffz menu

[graceful oxide]

Menu = menu

[narrow wind]

Well the current beta menu is more like BTTVs

so being like FFZ is preferable

[upper crater]

any idea on when vod support is coming?

[hollow trellis]

In the next minute or so

[covert sparrow]

real

[solemn jay]

anyone knows where the settings for 7tv are? (Can't find them for beta version at least)

[frank kite]

its the 7tv icon top right

[solemn jay]

ah, forgot it's there

thank you

[frank kite]

[versed temple]

would extension v3 work on youtube when it release?

[amber kelp]

its loaded twice somehow

[kindred crown]

among us?

[scenic pelican]

soos

[narrow wind]

💢

put it back

oh wait that was just a concept

💢 add it!

[narrow wind]

[narrow wind]

These are pretty

[graceful oxide]

[kindred crown]

btw these are visible as a non-mod

thought id just bring those into view

because why not

[narrow wind]

How is "returning chatter" determined? That seems like it could get annoying for regular users if they see it

[narrow wind]

stop pixel complaining

[kindred crown]

[graceful oxide]

man scared he is gonna lose his job

it do be lookin clean doe

[kindred crown]

honestly no idea, thats something twitch determines in their backend

ill provide option to enable/disable this stuff though

[graceful oxide]

i saw streamers complaining about the "raid user" highlight

cause it pretty much lasts the whole stream

[kindred crown]

oh god is it another one of those gigantic highlights

on native

[graceful oxide]

i guess

but if you have like 1k+ raiders your chat turns into a rainbow

[narrow wind]

https://tenor.com/view/trigger-triggered-epic-fast-alexibexi-gif-15858631

[kindred crown]

[graceful oxide]

its a cool feature but it should last only like 5 minutes or less

[kindred crown]

ill add custom highlights a lil later

just adding support for the regular twitch ones for now

custom highlights kinda depend on excel's work on the settings menu

[uncut cliff]

Possible to not make it pad the message and instead make them line up?

[kindred crown]

wdym

[narrow wind]

I'm making an amogus svg right now, just in case some tomfoolery is desired

[kindred crown]

pog

[uncut cliff]

Idk what the width of the left border is, but maybe add a negative margin so the message is moved a bit further left

[graceful oxide]

please no amogus jokes

[uncut cliff]

So the border dosnt pad the message

[kindred crown]

like this?

[uncut cliff]

yea

[kindred crown]

sure done then

[uncut cliff]

I'd consider an even lower margin and then add some padding to compensate

[kindred crown]

the margin was affecting it vertically, fixed now ;

[uncut cliff]

But not sure what would look the best

[graceful oxide]

i think the raid thing might be a twitch experiment

cause i cant find it anywhere

[kindred crown]

i think i saw something in the code about it

[uncut cliff]

Just check how it looks when the chat is in "compact mode" or whatever we called it

[narrow wind]

it can be like a 1/100 chance to appear

[uncut cliff]

[kindred crown]

also theres all this data i guess im meant to be exposing for the sussy users stuff

that is returned by twitch pubsub

idk why twitch implemented this in such a dumb way

all the mod messages come through a separate socket

that isnt even part of their react app

i had to grab the socket from the window context and listen to it directly

same w/ the automod messages

[narrow wind]

This info might help people ban evade more successfully

[kindred crown]

dont get your hopes too high its not returned if youre not modded

[uncut cliff]

Could consider to leave this off by default

oh, nvm then

Thought everyone could see it

[uncut cliff]

Meaning if its done in time, or how i implement something

[kindred crown]

uh either way i guess, its more like it's not a huge priority

but if we have time to fuck around with adding features after parity is reached then why not

we do need to get started on adding basic YT support pretty soon

hopefully a 1 or 2 day operation

[narrow wind]

YouTube frogs can use the old extension for now

we need per-language emote queues first

(please)

[kindred crown]

well i mean the old extension is gonna be updated

[uncut cliff]

Lots of people are gonna be annoyed if the old extension updates to this one, replaces their chat. And then they dont understand why their ffz/bttv stuff wont work

[patent pewter]

exactly

[kindred crown]

well most important things are to be implemented by mid-feb

thats the deadline im giving to a live rollout

just need get to a point where the only possible complaints would be from power-users

[narrow wind]

Nah that's just a little extra fun for the mods to deal with in the Discord

[graceful oxide]

and me

[kindred crown]

power users are in the minority and ultimately if they really miss something they can go back to native twitch for a sub-par experience

that is, not my problem

but the good news it appears the way the extension is layed out grants us insta-approval on both chrome and mozilla

so we can do rapid iterations post-release

[graceful oxide]

paint when

[narrow wind]

monday

[kindred crown]

will see i had to deal with some company stuff

the logic isnt hard to implement just need to get to it

gonna be this week for sure though

[graceful oxide]

🦤

[open lantern]

I have beta installed in my browser, trying to upload emote, this happens

so weird, and it's after 100% upload

[kindred crown]

that has no relation to the beta

[ebon wing]

#help-old

[open lantern]

thanks

[covert sparrow]

extension war, which can override the other better while also mining Bitcoin 🪙

[carmine dune]

i have nitpicks but i guess i'm a "power user" so i'll reserve them for later

[patent pewter]

you made that cool lightning bolt emote ?

[graceful oxide]

what

sometimes my twitch tab never loads

[kindred crown]

happens if you open before twitch emotes load

closing and reopening will fix

[graceful oxide]

yeah i noticed

[kindred crown]

i can probably make this reactive so the twitch pops up once it's done processing

the data conversion is done in a seperate worker thread in order to not hinder the page's performance

since twitch emotes usually number in the many thousands

[graceful oxide]

til

[narrow wind]

@kindred crown 515 bytes

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kek

[crimson quest]

beta really likes to act up when you leave your browser open with streams running non-stop

fully closing and re-opening browser fixed it but first time i saw this one

[sacred pike]

emote tetris mode when!?

[patent pewter]

[carmine dune]

7tetris

[hollow trellis]

the fuck are those emotes

thats yabbes channel isnt it

[sacred pike]

sees 9 FFZ emotes and recognizes the channel

I thought I needed to get the fuck off twitch

[tardy grotto]

one of them is literally yabbe's face

not that hard to guess it's her channel

[sacred pike]

new extension has been working amazing. only thing I ran across was if you are an ADHD Andy and try to open the emote menu too quick after the page loads the other tabs disappear and only the personal emotes remain. if you close and re open the menu it the other emotes return. I assume not a bug and just not allowing enough time for the extension to fetch the emotes, but I figured worth mentioning when someone else with juicer brain complains they have to open their menu twice because they can't wait 2 seconds before opening the menu and spamming

[sacred pike]

I unlocked tetris mode too!

[crimson quest]

[sleek sparrow]

idk if this is just me or not, but animated pfps aren't loading

[patent pewter]

i don't see them loading either

[shadow basalt]

Scuffed Elsa

[kindred crown]

@uncut cliff not quite done, but can you checkout this branch and test it https://github.com/SevenTV/ExtensionV3/pull/78

[uncut cliff]

It breaks all messagetypes that dont have a usermessage part?

[kindred crown]

wdym?

[uncut cliff]

It only renders if the messages pass isdisplayablemessage which returns false if it dosnt have a .message

But not all messages has a .message

Like channel point rewards

[kindred crown]

what would be a better type predicate then

[uncut cliff]

Maybe that it has a user?

not sure tbh

We might want to render messagetypes that dont even have a user in the future

like system messages

I guess raidmessage wouldnt pass that predicate either

Maybe we should scrap the entire "DisplayableMessage" thing

And just use anymessage

[kindred crown]

system messages would not pass via twitch data

[uncut cliff]

wdym

[kindred crown]

the whole point of this branch

these checks are only for inferring twitch data

[uncut cliff]

I still meant messages from twitch

raid messages for example dont have a user or a message

[kindred crown]

im gonnacum

@true flower i implemented the tokenization concept we made for the train site

to future proof for when we go low level mode

and parse irc directly

so we no longer have any mutations of the twitch message data which is very good, now tokenizer defines ranges on the message's text content with specific tokens

void = don't render, used for zero width

[frank kite]

this is CLEAN

[kindred crown]

great work excell, this is starting to really come together

[covert sparrow]

give him a raise

[kindred crown]

🥱 paying people in 2023

[covert sparrow]

you're a company not a streamer lil bro

[kindred crown]

it's a contribution to open source software

Im kidding tho he gets paid

[shadow basalt]

Surely

[true flower]

literally ffz

[uncut cliff]

I genuinely didnt open ffz settings once during this. But ive been using bubus designs a lot

[true flower]

oh well bubu ripped off ffz

like completely

i always joke

that bubu's designs

are just other designs

but rounder

and this case its definately true

its just the ffz menu

but round

and apple style

like ffz even has that twitter

on the right

of their home page next to the change log

exactly the same layout

[narrow wind]

@true flower Remember that time that bubu blatantly stole my 7TV logo idea and just made the corners round?

I'm glad we went with my original design instead

[true flower]

yeah thats pretty true

og anson is way better than round anson

youre out of shape man

[uncut cliff]

Thoughts?

[gentle ridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1005994332823760967.webp?size=48

[kindred crown]

@true flower where's the emojis and new input box 1!!!!111!!

[true flower]

cock box

[kindred crown]

get it done NOW

🥱 no emojis

[frank kite]

we need the litty emojis

[rancid grove]

are event messages like "user was timed out for 5 minutes" or "user was permanently banned" going to be a thing still?

[kindred crown]

Yeah, though not in the chat

But rather in a special menu

Where you'll be able to see all recent timeouts and bans

[scenic pelican]

thats pretty coo

[kindred crown]

I always find myself scrolling up and seeing the dumb shit people get banned for so might as well turn it into a useful ui

[sacred pike]

I like that you can view the tweets right in the menu that's pretty cool! UI be looking clean AF

[amber kelp]

the whole twitch is still frozen after tabbed to other pages for a while

[versed temple]

frozen

[graceful oxide]

Nice

Could also fit a sorting/filtering button inside it on the right side

[graceful oxide]

That Twitter thing wasn’t even in my mockup

Also this layout is the easiest to navigate it’s not like they invented it

There are other apps that use it

[tardy grotto]

Doing something earlier = invention

[graceful oxide]

the compact mode could even fit into the chatbox

[uncut cliff]

Thats the plan

[true flower]

well then one of you is lying because well

doesnt look similar to me honsetly

[kindred crown]

the extensions just inspire each others

[covert sparrow]

ffz animated emotes soon

[kindred crown]

beta 6 deployed & published

insta approval across the board

this one might have regressions just a warning, some core stuff has changed

first message highlights are interesting

[covert sparrow]

[ebon wing]

are timestamp broken ? 9:52 pm at the time of the screenshot

[graceful oxide]

is that why people complained about the raid messages being late?

[uncut cliff]

Nah, that was just because we didnt render it natively

[heavy widget]

Is it normal that first messages are highlighted in channels where I'm not a mod?

[kindred crown]

ye

[heavy widget]

That's not native, isn't it? Can't remember seeing so much highlighted messages in bigger streams in the past

[shadow basalt]

It is native

Toggle option for streamers

[heavy widget]

yea but it was only shown to the streamer + mods... or I'm stupid, idk

[uncut cliff]

Only mods and streamer see it natively

[patent pewter]

What happened to the beta paint discussion thread? I want a cool paint

[sacred pike]

its still there. no update on when we get the paint last time I checked

[shadow basalt]

beta paint
emote raffles
reasons to live

All missing

[covert sparrow]

Change 7tv username

[narrow wind]

Community patience is also missing

[heavy widget]

Maybe don't unnecessarily raise expectations for your userbase if you want them to be patient.

"beta paint will be in beta 2 or beta 3 tbd" - Antole, 2 weeks ago
We are at beta 6 now.

[scenic pelican]

why does this happen

when i type first 2 letters & press tab it doesnt load the third party emotes

i have to type the third alphabet

[versed temple]

what this login do

[kindred crown]

Nothing right now but it will allow you to do things like add emotes and interact with 7tv from the extension directly

Without needing to go to the site

[versed temple]

[kindred crown]

Beta paint is going live today btw

[versed temple]

x2

[kindred crown]

Also going to start promoting the beta in place of the live extension

On the sites front page

Given it's actually more stable than live

[versed temple]

when's v3 taking over live

[kindred crown]

Mid Feb

[heavy widget]

[kindred crown]

tentative design please gib fidbek

[old ice]

looks dope, is it animated like the last one?

[kindred crown]

no it's static

[edgy glacier]

Your personal one is a bit cooler

[kindred crown]

wdym?

[old ice]

I give it a 8/10, still like the other one better

[heavy widget]

can you show the beta paint in your chat or is it only local for u atm?

[edgy glacier]

The red one with the shine going over it useless feedback sorry

[graceful oxide]

which one is that

[kindred crown]

you should be able to see it with the beta extension

[kindred crown]

this is a free paint just fyi

it's not meant to be overly insane cool

[edgy glacier]

yayaya it's not too bad i guess. Give the folks taste for what it can do.

[heavy widget]

Looks good but I think the orange has too much gradient. It takes away a bit of the (I think originally intended) "caution" vibe

but idk if it's even worth a change. still looks really good

[uncut cliff]

Looks very dark in light mode

not like it matters

[kindred crown]

in light mode

the beta tester paint will only be visible to non-v3 clients if you're a subscriber. so as a non-sub, only other beta users will see it

though that wont be an issue over time as clients are updated

[heavy widget]

looks dank

[heavy widget]

Also very cool. Not approved personal emotes are now shown in grey-scale and it shows a 🚫 as a cursor when hovering it.

[hasty flint]

I am not able to see it with the beta extension, is there something else I have to do?

[kindred crown]

see what?

[hasty flint]

the beta paint

[kindred crown]

it's not released

[hasty flint]

ah okay, I misunderstood the chat above then

[true flower]

i presume your using both bttv and 7tv

dont do that

[shadow basalt]

That black outline is sicc

[hollow trellis]

why do the ''new messages'' bubble go below the ''slowmode'' shit

[narrow wind]

what is that horizontal EDM?

they yoinked my emote and rotated it

[sacred pike]

https://tenor.com/view/get-rotated-get-rotated-idiot-rotate-rotation-shark-gif-24511062

[graceful oxide]

[edgy glacier]

Someone should do the same thing to RaveTime and have a left and right version

[narrow wind]

I'm actually working on a personal-compatible version right now

I think I might name it "RAVE" though

[true flower]

Name it cock

[narrow wind]

How about no

LUKA TIM

the size just takes a bit to update after enabling 7TV beta

I use the click-to-enable feature because sometimes I want to enable FFZ instead

[patent pewter]

LUKA TIT

[scenic pelican]

ok

[silver bridge]

is this an already reported bug? I see people with 7tv badges even if they're not subbed anymore

[shadow basalt]

Free subs

[patent pewter]

i'vd seen it too. it's still a thing

[real sedge]

idk if anyone else uses time stamps on their chat messages but with the beta it just has the hour & not the minutes

oh i've just seen it as an issue thing nvm

[old ice]

I dig it

[patent pewter]

where' the paint ? crappy or not i'll take it.

[real sedge]

should be in paints on profile

[patent pewter]

i checked. still nothing

now it is just after you replied ! 👍

[wise mirage]

[narrow wind]

The beta paint is out?

Ah it is cool. I just had to type something in chat, I guess.

[patent pewter]

Do people need to have the new extension to be able to see it ? I can’t see it even myself in the chat

[covert sparrow]

[narrow wind]

I was under the impression that it would only be visible to beta users

BUT I don't know for sure, since it hasn't been 30 minutes since I applied it

It works with the beta at least

[tiny yacht]

I thought that for subscribers it would be visible to all 7tv users, beta users only for non-subscribers

[covert sparrow]

yeah but it still takes up to an hour to appear on the old system

[wise mirage]

free paint

[frank kite]

i cant even get it...

[wise mirage]

[covert sparrow]

[tribal surge]

anyone else not able to login?

[gentle ridge]

Yeah its not fully implemented yet

[graceful oxide]

what happened to the blur

[versed temple]

#beta-discussion message

[tribal surge]

oh aight

[versed temple]

when send same message twice feature be enabled in beta?

[shadow basalt]

https://i.imgur.com/vWBPaYv.png

Aw yea Mr. Krabs

https://i.imgur.com/4UaickT.png

[uncut cliff]

Used a lot of gpu, so we disabled it for large surfaces

[scenic bramble]

ok so today the beta exte is fully bugged for me, im a mod in a channel and every time i timeout a user several messages from 2 hours ago apear in the chat ie(screenshot), today the mod slider for timeouts simply doesn't exist and the tags (for me to see a message from an other chatter) won't change to red for me to notice. Im switching back to normal exte because i cant do my minimal job. on a pc web browser google chrome,windows 10

[narrow wind]

I think it’s funny that my “BETA” name stuck

It’s supposed to just be “Beta Tester”

[scenic bramble]

you are right

[narrow wind]

I was referencing the Jesse Lee Peterson x Destiny crossover

[narrow wind]

I mean the original paint concept was going to be “Beta Tester” but we were making alternate versions to experiment with different designs

[bleak wigeon]

if i press the up arrow it should go to the line above , but instead it goes to the previously sent message

[graceful oxide]

I guess you could remove the transparency then

[wind sapphire]

there's a toggle for the transparency, I think it's nice

[narrow wind]

This has always bothered me. Sometimes I want to go up a line, and sometimes I want to go to the previous message. It always feels like it does the one I don’t want it to do, but that’s just placebo. I think maybe pressing shift-up should go to the previous message and only pressing up should just go up a line.

[patent pewter]

The beta paint is not visible to me in any chat despite being activated yesterday

Badges gone paint is gone. Refreshing and waiting and typing something in the chat doesnt help

[true flower]

Your typing from within the beta?

You need to send messages from the beta as well

Not something like chatterino

You won't see it then

[graceful oxide]

usercards are broken in sub messages

[sacred pike]

I got kinda the same issue going on rn. my badge and paint aren't showing up. I'm sending the messages from within the beta as melon mentioned. the site claims I'm still subbed but it looks weird and says my sub expires in like -7388518 days

[graceful oxide]

wait thats actually a twitch issue this time

[sacred pike]

check and see if your sub expired. mine apparently expired but the site kept saying I was still subbed and wouldnt give me the option to resub. I was able to use old.7tv.app to resub there

[old ice]

is the paint lifetime? @kindred crown

[kindred crown]

yes

[old ice]

okay, thanks

[patent kestrel]

whut chat do I need to type once to get that juicy paint

[kindred crown]

any

[shadow basalt]

Wonder what the time to claim is

[kindred crown]

instant

[patent kestrel]

ow

well

[crimson quest]

[patent kestrel]

I typed here, does that work

[wraith bay]

yall gotta make it so mod icons dont show on mods or yourself

i PRAY

[patent kestrel]

[shadow basalt]

Like till its no longer available

[kindred crown]

a twitch chat @patent kestrel

[turbid pebble]

i am digging the paint TY

[patent kestrel]

makes sense

[true flower]

this aught to be a setting if its done

[shadow basalt]

It looks just as good as I thought with founders

[wraith bay]

please

anything

[true flower]

its very annoying that no client lets you delete your own message

even though it is possible, you can moderate yourself

just not others

[wraith bay]

ill use the beta if it becomes a setting

[patent kestrel]

It worked

[lone wing]

is there some way to unhighlight first messages as they are highlighted by default and I don't want it to be highlighted

[north ingot]

all the timestamps are 01:00 for me

[kindred crown]

not right now but it will be possible in a later version

known issue to be fixed in beta 7 @north ingot

[wraith bay]

mr anatole is it possible to remove mod icons from yourself , mods , streamer

like in a setting

[kindred crown]

can you stop asking the same one question every minute