pretty sure its the monorepo one now
#developers
frosty bronze
strange owl
are you able to merge that on it's own. I'll have to dig into highlights for pinned message support
#developers message Troy explained what the event-api in the monorepo is
so technically both I guess
paper plover
is the usage the same as the old one
or a new doc comig out soon?
strange owl
good question.. I'm not sure. As far as I'm aware, there were some small modifications but it should be pretty much the same right now
frosty bronze
it was an in-place replacement yes to reduce server costs
new api will come out later
also who made the new discord icons
they're nice
next tundra
I think Anson? not sure
it was @solemn widget
strange owl
there you have it, thanks Niklas 
trail drift
did cors get enabled?
sudden gust
@real sorrel You're working on chatterino7 right?
Can you tell me how do you currently render paints in chatterino?
The current paint system is heavily tied to css properties but chatterino seems to be 100% c++
Do you use some sort of web renderer or do you just compute it all yourself?
sudden gust
I see
real sorrel
The current paint system is heavily tied to css properties but chatterino seems ...
As treu said, it's everything done in qt
sudden gust
I'm asking because I was thinking about making the new paint system plain css
But that's not a good idea then
paper token
qt ||
||
sudden gust
Otherwise, this would be the format for the new api:
{
"layers": [
{
"type": "single_color",
"data": 16711680,
"opacity": 1
},
{
"type": "linear_gradient",
"data": {
"angle": 0,
"repeating": false,
"stops": [
{
"at": 0,
"color": 16711680
},
{
"at": 1,
"color": 65280
}
]
},
"opacity": 0.1
},
{
"type": "radial_gradient",
"data": {
"angle": 0,
"repeating": true,
"stops": [
{
"at": 0,
"color": 16711680
},
{
"at": 1,
"color": 65280
}
],
"shape": "ellipse"
},
"opacity": 1
},
{
"type": "image",
"data": "01HT54Y68ETMF2GNFYJS52ZPYE",
"opacity": 0.5
}
],
"shadows": [
{
"color": 16711680,
"offset_x": 0,
"offset_y": 0,
"blur": 10
},
{
"color": 65280,
"offset_x": 0,
"offset_y": 0,
"blur": 10
}
]
}
solemn widget
yeah it needs to be like that to be cross platformish
to be fair
you could just like
make a thing to directly ship css instead as long as you also keep something like this
for like the extensions and other things which will want to integrate with it
real sorrel
as long as I can parse it it's fine, but I don't really want to refactor a bunch of stuff, so JSON would be pog
sudden gust
Ye will keep it json then
sudden gust
make a thing to directly ship css instead as long as you also keep something lik...
I'm not sure if that's a good idea
solemn widget
yeah idk
sudden gust
as long as I can parse it it's fine, but I don't really want to refactor a bunch...
The only new thing you'll have to implement is layers
But that shouldn't be too complicated
real sorrel
will that be on the v3 or v4 endpoint?
real sorrel
oh and for chatterino updates: the client will now try v2, v3, and v4 in that order to search for updates (it ignores the html from v4 currently)
sudden gust
will that be on the v3 or v4 endpoint?
I'm not sure how the version numbering on the API is right now
I know v3 is the current rest api
strange owl
@south flare whenever you’re free I’d appreciate if you could take a look at this pr https://github.com/SevenTV/Extension/pull/1022
teal thorn
Is the new extension repo good to open pr's too or are you all still working on it? I dont wanna open one if you guys are still working on reqriting it
frosty bronze
I’m not sure if they’re accepting new features right now. It’s mainly been bug fixes
teal thorn
ok thx!
trail drift
when I get requested the cdn gif url i got this large string but idk how to decode it
paper token
when I get requested the cdn gif url i got this large string but idk how to deco...
forgive my potential ignorance, but could that be the file itself?
trail drift
hmmm
paper token
assuming there's more to it than just what I can see in the screenshot
trail drift
its a pretty long string
paper token
it does say "file" so I'd assume it's literally just the gif in text form
the url is also there
trail drift
it looks like U int8 to me
trail drift
the url is also there
no i put that there
paper token
ah
trail drift
i saved it as a txt and changed it to .png and its a broken file
so i dont think i can do that directly
paper token
i saved it as a txt and changed it to .png and its a broken file
well it would probably be a gif if anything, right?
trail drift
no im getting it from the .png
paper token
ah
trail drift
from cdn
paper token
text editors would also probably screw up the bytes by changing them to characters it thinks you want
depends on the text editor
hex editor would probably work
trail drift
still couldnt do it
trail drift
const res = await fetch(url)
const imageblob = await res.blob();
emoteList[emote]['file'] = {imageblob};
when I fetch the cdn .gif api and send it back to the front end its empty
this is the res I get from the 7tv response
trail drift
nvm i fixxed it
used array buffer instead
trail drift
how many emotes does discord api limit?
I think if there is a limit, the best bet would be asking the user to create a bot and give me its credentials
rotund pivot
vagrant lion
per hour 
trail drift
I think if there is a limit, the best bet would be asking the user to create a b...
What about this idea?
paper plover
even bots has the same rate limit iirc
trail drift
Does that matter if I ask the user to make the bot?
rare magnet
does anyone know how i could embed 7tv emotes to a different website/platform
i made my own kind of chatroom and would like to have 7tv emotes here
is the code for the extension public by any chance i could probably copy alot of it and just adjust
ok nvm i found it
trail drift
i made my own kind of chatroom and would like to have 7tv emotes here
You just need emote id
and then call it with the api
real sorrel
Chatterino7 v7.5.0-beta.1 is released, feel free to try it out (it doesn't appear in the updater for now): https://github.com/SevenTV/chatterino7/releases/tag/v7.5.0-beta.1 Also please @ me if you experience bugs!
rare magnet
You just need emote id
well first i need to know if text xyz is an emote in the first place
but im gonna look at code now jukst woke u
rare magnet
do the query endpoints work from here?
the one using a path works fine with a twitch id
but going by a username is a empty jsonb
like this works fine
vagrant lion
chatterino 2.5.0
vagrant lion
forsenforsenforsenfosernoseforsnofsnoefoesnfrseofsoern
paper plover
https://7tv.io/docs
this doc is currently partially outdated
what are you trying to do
rare magnet
get my emotes working on my own website
so i dont have twitch ids
but ill just hardcode my twitch id
since idk how else todo it
just sucks because if my friends stream here aswell my id is hardcoded
could use twitch api but extra effort
paper plover
so i dont have twitch ids
you can use this get request to get the twitch id from twitch name
https://api.ivr.fi/v2/twitch/user?login={username}
paper plover
you can then get the 7tv id from the twitch id from:
https://7tv.io/v3/users/twitch/{twitchID} at ['user']['id']
also the current active emote set for twitch at ['user']['connections']["platform" == "TWITCH"]['emote_set']
rare magnet
thanks alot got it
bold kettle
How do you get the namepaint of a user? I've been trying to figure it out but can't find it in the api docs or anything. I just wanna know how to go from username or user id to getting their chosen namepaint image/gradient etc.
Also badges
paper plover
How do you get the namepaint of a user? I've been trying to figure it out but ca...
for now, you can use GQL requests to fetch those data.
To see how to use them, you can check the gql requests in your browser's Network tab.
For your case, you can use GetUserCosmetics to get the users' owned cosmetics, as well as the current equipped ones ("selected" == true). e.g:
Payload:
{
"operationName": "GetUserCosmetics",
"variables": {
"id": "60ae3cb1b2ecb0150521fa1f"
},
"query": "query GetUserCosmetics($id: ObjectID!) {\n user(id: $id) {\n id\n cosmetics {\n id\n kind\n selected\n __typename\n }\n __typename\n }\n}"
}
Response:
{
"data": {
"user": {
"id": "60ae3cb1b2ecb0150521fa1f",
"cosmetics": [
{
"id": "62f98190e46eb00e438a6970",
"kind": "BADGE",
"selected": true,
"__typename": "UserCosmetic"
},
{
"id": "62f97c05e46eb00e438a696a",
"kind": "BADGE",
"selected": false,
"__typename": "UserCosmetic"
},
{
"id": "61bedf64b6b41ea54419bbb1",
"kind": "PAINT",
"selected": false,
"__typename": "UserCosmetic"
},
...
This only returns the id of the cosmetics. Use GetCosmetics to get the name, as well as its components (color gradients, background image, etc). e.g:
Payload:
{
"operationName": "GetCosmestics",
"variables": {
"list": [
"62f98190e46eb00e438a6970",
"62f97c05e46eb00e438a696a",
...
]
},
"query": "query GetCosmestics($list: [ObjectID!]) {\n cosmetics(list: $list) {\n paints {\n id\n kind\n name\n function\n color\n angle\n shape\n image_url\n repeat\n stops {\n at\n color\n __typename\n }\n shadows {\n x_offset\n y_offset\n radius\n color\n __typename\n }\n __typename\n }\n badges {\n id\n kind\n name\n tooltip\n tag\n __typename\n }\n __typename\n }\n}"
}
Response:
{
"data": {
"cosmetics": {
"paints": [
{
"id": "61bede3db6b41ea54419bbb0",
"kind": "",
"name": "Candy Cane",
"function": "LINEAR_GRADIENT",
"color": -10197761,
"angle": 45,
"shape": null,
"image_url": null,
"repeat": true,
...
sudden gust
@quick ibex can you tell me more about this bug? https://7tv.app/emote-sets/61390d6af7977b64f644b941
quick ibex
Idk how it is anymore, but you were able to set the set size to anything below the max limit
sudden gust
quick ibex
What you snoopin around my account for 
sudden gust
I'm currently working on transferring the database from the old MongoDB thing to the new sql based model and I discovered those sets because they have a set size below 0.
There's only one other user who has sets with this bug
So I'm thinking about how to handle this
quick ibex
Yea, can still set them negative
quick ibex
When you were first able to have multiple sets it was made so your set size became your acconts "max allowed set size". Later on the api checked if the user had a negative max size and considered that "priveleged", so i was able to set any size then 
But my > 1000 size sets were reverted 
Or were they
I've had lots of fun exploiting parts of the api over the years 
solemn widget
oh man
how does this guy handle random things like the trending page in a pretty decent way but fuck THIS up
sudden gust
azure cape
Who wrote this shit <:OMEGALUL:1094314185237725224>
It was done on purpose, you could set it to anything below your current limit and couldn’t go back up IIRC
Because at the time people were fucking around with 7TV’s gql api
people abusing it ended up having less emote slots 
that was before sets were a thing
paper token
topaz crown
"query GetCosmestics" misspelled in the api
strange owl
there's also "query Annoucement"
lyric violet
getAir
vague flame
Hey all! I'm trying to write my own app incorporating 7tv emotes, but more than half the time, I'm getting CORS errors when trying to load the image files themselves. E.g.
Access to image at 'https://cdn.7tv.app/emote/60aec2196cfcffe15f4e4f93/2x.webp' from origin '[my site]' has been blocked by CORS policy: No 'Access-Control-Allow-Origin' header is present on the requested resource.
Anybody know how I could resolve, or general thoughts on what to try? Pls ping if so, and thanks in advance! 
trail drift
Hey all! I'm trying to write my own app incorporating 7tv emotes, but more than ...
Cause cors is enabled
You’d have to do it in the backend
vague flame
it's a quick 'n dirty web app that doesn't have a back-end 
guess I'll have to decide if I care enough to make one, prob won't
thanks for the confirmation that I wasn't just missing something dumb
trail drift
You can just used cdn and put that in an image element src
vague flame
how do you mean?
vague flame
I just wanna render the image, don't care about downloading the file
in case that distinction is relevant
but broadly yes
trail drift
ok so what framework are you using?
I just do
const response = await fetch(`https://7tv.io/v3/emotes/${encodeURIComponent(searchQuery)}`);
to fetch the api
and then to get the src i do
const data = await response.json();
const emoteUrl = data.animated ? data.host.url + '/4x.gif' : data.host.url + '/4x.png';
oh I have the URL already, the first data fetch request goes through fine
but like trying to render e.g. https://cdn.7tv.app/emote/60aec2196cfcffe15f4e4f93/2x.webp gives me CORS issues
vague flame
the data files only return webp or avi
vague flame
yes
trail drift
ok so
trail drift
and then to get the src i do
```ts
const data = await response.json();
const emo...
have you tried this?
vague flame
I was going off the returned file names, I'll try with gif instead of webp/avi
trail drift
just try data.host.url + '/4x.gif'
vague flame
403 forbidden
trail drift
send code
vague flame
what specific code are you looking for? it's literally just the url you said, data.host.url + '/4x.gif' - e.g. https://cdn.7tv.app/emote/60aec2196cfcffe15f4e4f93/4x.gif
trail drift
what specific code are you looking for? it's literally just the url you said, da...
this emote isnt a gif
its a png
trail drift
and then to get the src i do
```ts
const data = await response.json();
const emo...
thats why here i did the ? shit
vague flame
yeah yeah that's 100% my bad, brain fried
I was testing animated emotes all before this and just copied the wrong link
trail drift
good now?
also the url takes a little time to load sometimes
so I use onLoad={handleLoad} inside my image element
which just makes a loading circle thing
or maybe you can load the 1x first cause that takes less time
vague flame
it does work now! tysm, never would have guessed that on my own
really appreciate the help, have a good one
south flare
@strange owl is there a setting to disable raider highlight
lyric walrus
and then to get the src i do
```ts
const data = await response.json();
const emo...
why is cors only disabled on png??
gif and webp have them enabled
nvm it was just cached
how did that fix it for that guy then
strange owl
<@337164223043862529> is there a setting to disable raider highlight
yeah it’s in the 7TV settings
I was working on another PR that just uses Twitch’s chat highlight settings, but I wasn’t sure if it was worth submitting.
south flare
I see what is the setting called
strange owl
Show Raiders (Moderator only) under Highlights > Built-In
In retrospect, it might be better for it's default value to be false instead (I just copied the default values for Twitch's chat highlights).
trail drift
<:doctorWTF:870429736856338453> why is cors only disabled on png??
She was first trying to get the image file first but because she doesn’t need the file just the render, I got her to just use the link
lyric walrus
She was first trying to get the image file first but because she doesn’t need th...
if they put the cdn link in an img tag it will still be behind cors no?
lyric walrus
you are tho
the browser still downloads it
that would defeat the whole purpose of cors
lyric walrus
it has to download it to render it 
that was my guess
lyric walrus
wdym by embed
solemn widget
?
lyric walrus
well yea it has to 
trail drift
And the img element bypasses it?
lyric walrus
no
solemn widget
discord proxies all images through their servers
lyric walrus
it should give the missing image icon
solemn widget
so they basically download them to their servers
lyric walrus
if it can into cors
solemn widget
and then give them to you
lyric walrus
for whatever reason i didnt get cors on a png with cache disabled
trail drift
I didn’t do anything with cache
lyric walrus
its automatic, you dont manage the cache
dev tools has a checkbox to disable cache is what im saying
trail drift
lyric walrus
(from disk cache)
trail drift
it workes
lyric walrus
so it never actually made the request
lyric walrus
yea
trail drift
where do you see from disk cache
lyric walrus
status code
lyric walrus
from what domain
trail drift
local host
lyric walrus
lyric walrus
nono im just confused why it worked
unless localhost doesnt enforce cors
do it on google.com
lyric walrus
ok yea makes sense
lyric walrus
trail drift
its the image element doing the magic
lyric walrus
do the image tag with cache disabled
trail drift
but we just saw it didnt use cache
lyric walrus
was it not this one?
trail drift
what if img just bypasses all cors
lyric walrus
oh img src GETs are considered simple requests
so it doesnt use cors
but then what was that guys original issue?
trail drift
lyric walrus
was he not doing the same thing?
trail drift
but then what was that guys original issue?
they werent making the request correctly
or
no
they were tryign to get with avif?
trail drift
i think he was using fetch
trail drift
can you make fetch into simple?
lyric walrus
it has to follow some conditions to be considered simple
if they dont, then an OPTIONS preflight is sent
trail drift
how does 7tv handle it on twitch?
lyric walrus
there was some drama a bit ago with this and a different emote provider 
trail drift
do they get the image once someone types the emote on twitch
lyric walrus
if i were to guess they fetch all the sets enabled for that channel
lyric walrus
personal is a little different, but similar idea
trail drift
i think it gets the emotes one by one
lyric walrus
oh wait i see what you mean now
trail drift
lyric walrus
oh right there are different resolutions requests
i was thinking about the emote menu
trail drift
for some it uses .avif and others it doesnt
lyric walrus
trail drift
and personal has a whole different url
https://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/emoticons/v2/emotesv2_8c82ed40fb61497db027184a94c9ef0c/default/dark/2.0
wtf
i meant the url
lyric walrus
thats a twitch emote
lyric walrus
static-cdn.jtvnw.net is twitch's domain
trail drift
none of these use cache tho
late furnace
Sup, sup! Quick question about rate limiting, is there a specific set of requests/time? Before I hit 429? Thx
topaz crown
if you're talking about the gql api its in the headers of the response, not sure about the rest api
late furnace
It's just between the API and downloading some emotes, I'll just make a request to the users emote set and lookup an emote and then download it, don't know if they got the same rate limit, diferent none...
trail drift
Do I run the api and the extension locally to get it to work?
lyric walrus
you dont need to run the api yourself, you can point it to the public one in your env file
rigid smelt
do yall know what this is called?
It doesn’t show up in the vue devtools?
trail drift
which one do yall use?
sudden gust
our new backend design concept
solemn widget
its joever
vagrant lion
new update soon
trail drift
Is there rate limit on v1?
south flare
v1?
south flare
Is there rate limit on v1?
ont he api there are but they arent veyr good
south flare
no like not well built and well limited
some routes have limits some dont
and its all over the place
im not sure what v1 api ur talking abt
trail drift
discord api has the best error messages
message: '401: Unauthorized', code: 0
paper plover
check your headers and tokens
patent wing
whats wrong with that error message
discord has one of the best documentations, https://discord.com/developers/docs/topics/opcodes-and-status-codes#http
topaz crown
trail drift
mass upload works
trail drift
Ok i have two paths now
either
I make this open source and finish it by added emote set uploads
orrrr
do that same thing but make one that I host and people can login and shit
patent wing
doesnt this already exist, or is this different
trail drift
probably does I think it does everything on discord tho
it’s not open source
And I’m using a website
patent wing
oh neat
strange owl
@south flare I'd appreciate if you could take a look at this whenever you have time
https://github.com/SevenTV/Extension/pull/1028
south flare
sure
floral wing
I am currently facing an issue I described in #1204105649244479518
https://discord.com/channels/817075418054000661/1232270358640595006
Any help would be greatly appreciated
paper plover
I am currently facing an issue I described in <#1204105649244479518>
https://di...
Use https://7tv.io/v3/users/<user_id> to get the user info
Their emote sets will be listed under ['emote_sets']
the current active emote set for twitch at ['connections']{"platform" == "TWITCH"}['emote_set']
floral wing
Use `https://7tv.io/v3/users/<user_id>` to get the user info
Their emote sets w...
thanks but how do I get the user_id to begin with? Is it the same as on twitch, or is there some API call I missed while reading the docs?
paper plover
Twitch id =/= 7tv id
You can check your 7tv id in the url of your 7tv profile page
e.g. mine is 60ae3cb1b2ecb0150521fa1f and my profile is at https://7tv.app/users/60ae3cb1b2ecb0150521fa1f
you can use the following get request to get the twitch id from twitch name
https://api.ivr.fi/v2/twitch/user?login={username}
you can then get the 7tv id from the twitch id from:
https://7tv.io/v3/users/twitch/{twitchID} at ['user']['id']
Also the API doc at https://7tv.io/ is outdated btw, and so far no one is working on updating it since there will be a newer api
Ask here instead for some pointers
floral wing
thanks! that solved my issues! I just didn't think there was a subsection based on the platform, so instead of
https://7tv.io/v3/users/twitch/{twitchID} I attempted to call https://7tv.io/v3/users/{twitchID} which obviously didn't work.
Thanks for your help 😄
paper plover
strange owl
@south flare https://github.com/SevenTV/Extension/pull/1030 
can u take a look at this
trail drift
ok heres the thingy i made https://github.com/WutIsHummus/7tv2DiscordLocal/tree/main
rancid tulip
soon
trail drift
why dont yall make it a paid thing for subs only
like 7tv to discord
missing an opportunity right here
paper plover
bc discord has emote upload rate limit and it isnt feasible to server thousands of discord server owners with this service
trail drift
it resets every 0.001
nvm this number
sudden pine
hello does any one know is it possible to integrated 7tv to embed twitch chat ?
trail drift
it’s already inside twitch chat
patent wing
It’s not currently possible, the extension wont be getting any new updates just bug fixes. The future rewrite of it would probably support embeds.
jagged vault
on the google chrome browser my 7tv extension occasionally stops working and only fixes if I close and reopen the browser (I have fixed my issue after hours of trying to refresh to try to fix it but I thought I would give u guys a heads up on that issue)
sudden pine
It’s not currently possible, the extension wont be getting any new updates just ...
ok , is there a api i would aviable to use for it maybe i could use a js script to make it possible or phase php ?
patent wing
paper plover
most of the thing in the doc is not working nor outdated
strange owl
@south flare could you take a look at my prs whenever you have time 
topaz crown
rotund pivot
the bot is disabled
atomic belfry
Just wanted to post that the ONLY reason I still have FFZ installed is because of its audio compressor, which makes every stream way better to watch. I'd love if 7tv added something similar so I can just have this one extension to rule them all 👌
rotund pivot
next extension
vagrant lion
release the beta version already
rotund pivot
it doesnt exist
paper token
System-wide compression is so much nicer
than an extension that ONLY works on twitch streams
atomic belfry
That may be true, but for work reasons, I view things as they are produce on my PC. The only exception is twitch
plush sandal
Oh yeah forgot you can have an account and no membership
Not renewing it until I get a macbook
pearl ore
omeScrajj
peepoTalk "Connection Closed: 1005"
Why does it just close connection with no reason?
solemn widget
1005 seems like a cloudflare error
pearl ore
It's the WebSocket code tho, no? Hmm
pearl ore
I mean, it's believable since during development I accidentally hammered the WS server with lots of reconnects
Like a lot a lot
Sorry
pulsar iris
topaz crown
probably wasn't noticable with the average traffic eventapi sees
pearl ore
omeScrajj
It's working fine and then suddenly server just disconnects with 1005 (which means no reason given in WebSockets)
Working fine for like half a second
It's probably a problem on my side, but still, am confused
topaz crown
ive never seen 1005 from eventapi, only 1006 when its down and 1001 from cloudflare
weird
pearl ore
Found the problem. In short: JS type coercion did me dirty again
trail drift
Use typescript then
stuck oasis
south flare
True
topaz crown
quick ibex
Doin a little testin https://i.imgur.com/IRu0o1b.png
vagrant lion
strange owl
lookin good
nice
quick ibex
main problem is that the current implementation (that has been in the extension for more than a year now) uses 3rd party cookies which are being deprecated
warm yacht
would be cool to have this feature on the ffz addon as well
wdym by that 
showing when emotes are added, removed, or renamed?
rotund pivot
no the preview for emotes and a button to add them from chat
warm yacht
there is a preview for emotes already when you add / remove / rename them
as in, it posts the emote itself in chat with the name in brackets
warm yacht
as for adding it from chat, I wouldn't even know how to best implement that with the whole CORS and API stuff
south flare
I suppose what would need to be done is request the emote via the api and then if the emote is publicly listed show it
Or blur it or tmsg if it's not
warm yacht
Well requesting the emote isn't the problem
I assume at least
Moreso the part of adding it from chat through a button / embed on the emote 😄
Since I do like the idea of that, that a user can just post a link to an emote and one of the mods / editors (or the streamer) can just add it from within chat, instead of navigating to the 7TV page and adding it there
paper plover
this would be huge
warm yacht
would it though?
Opening the emote in a new tab and adding it there isn't that many more steps
paper plover
Opening the emote in a new tab and adding it there isn't *that* many more steps
it's a lot more convenient to just enable emotes in chat
the website sometimes take a lot longer to load the emotes
warm yacht
Mhm that part I can get behind, yeah
But again, authorization wise I'm really not sure how to best implement that
paper plover
and for streamers, most of them would have to drag the tab outside of the stream view in case it's a horse cock or anything tos
is it possible to just show embed for the streamer and their editors?
warm yacht
Well the thing is, you need to somehow authorize a call over to 7TV's API to add the emote
And you don't have a token or authorization code available on Twitch
paper plover
ic
I have never considered that the extension itself never required user auth until you mentioned it just now
paper plover
Lemme confirm again
The login button in the extension settings popup is purely cosmetic right?
warm yacht
I can't say anything about the 7TV extension unfortunately
paper plover
One thing tho
For logging into 7tv.app via Kick
The extension is able to set the auth in the local storage of 7tv.app or 7tv.io, so it might also probably able to get the auth value?
Maybe something like a cross-domain local storage can help you get the info in the local storage from 7tv.app, check if the 7tv id matches with the channel, the gets the auth and do the add emote request?
warm yacht
That'd require an update to the FrankerFaceZ extension on Chrome and Firefox to add 7tv.app and 7tv.io to the authorized domains list
earnest sedge
Are these requests meant to show up any time an emote is hovered when I have 2 streams open at the same time or is something bricked?
https://s4.ezgif.com/tmp/ezgif-4-6876a7e3e6.gif
quick ibex
Lemme confirm again
The login button in the extension settings popup is purely c...
Originally it actually logged in, but anatole changed it so it was more cosmetic
However if you log out and back in you set a cookie on 7tv.io which is in included as a 3rd party cookie when making requests to the api, so it works
Google is removing 3rd party cookies soon tho
Can maybe reimplement how it was before it was changed
Or maybe we can set partition key on the 7tv.io cookie so it can be used from when doing requests from twitch?
Dunno much about cookies tho
Old implementation was basically for the extension to ask for permission to access 7tv.app. then grab the token from there
quick ibex
Are these requests meant to show up any time an emote is hovered when I have 2 s...
You have caching disabled by default when opening dev tools
frosty bronze
idk if its me or theres some experiment preventing 7tv nightly from working correctly
frosty bronze
yea 7tv is unusable for me at the moment, switching back to ffz
ok nvm even ffz broken
stupid experiment
south flare
yeah
quick ibex
vagrant lion
solemn widget
thats pog
warm yacht
pretty neat
stuck oasis
faster than the actual website 
trail drift
faster than the actual website <:LULE:1019936033451806750>
It’s sped up
stuck oasis
vagrant lion
gleaming kayak
does anyone know hot to convert the colors from GetCosmetics to hex colors? so something like -1310760961?
and what kind of colors are they?
solemn widget
its an encoded way to have colors
as a single integer
color = -757935361
r = (color >> 24) & 0xff
g = (color >> 16) & 0xff
b = (color >> 8) & 0xff
a = (color >> 0) & 0xff
print(r, g, b, a)
210 210 210 255
you basically need to shift some bits around
to get back all the values
paper token
> color = -757935361
> >>> r = (color >> 24) & 0xff
> >>> g = (color >> 16) & 0x...
I couldn't remember what this method was called
I was trying to look it up
solemn widget
bitshifting
paper token
bitshifting
well yeah but is this not a standard/common way to store a color as a single integer?
paper token
```js
0xFF0000FF
```
is that larger/smaller than the signed integer?
surely there's a reason for it
instead of just using hex
patent wing
const DecimalToStringRGBA = (num: number): string => {
const r = (num >>> 24) & 0xff;
const g = (num >>> 16) & 0xff;
const b = (num >>> 8) & 0xff;
const a = num & 0xff;
return `rgba(${r}, ${g}, ${b}, ${(a / 255).toFixed(3)})`;
};
i use this for my chat overlay
solemn widget
im pretty sure you took this from the source code of the extension 
patent wing
probably, been a while dont remember
solemn widget
solemn widget
i dont know how legal taking code from a non open source thing is
actually
as long as you're not selling it i guess you should be fine
patent wing
its Apache 2.0 with common clause
ye
selling a chat overlay lol
actually would be able to sell it since commons clause says "a product or service whose value derives, entirely or substantially, from the functionality of the Software"
don't think a bitshifting function counts as "substantially"
solemn widget
yeah i doubt it
patent wing
just noticed the licensor
anatole coming to sue me
curious on the legal standing of that business
gleaming kayak
can I somehow check whether a user is a 7tv sub?
patent wing
I think a user would have the subscriber role, which I think is a specific number in the users roles array
gleaming kayak
okay i'll look
patent wing
its a uuid, should look something like this. not sure what the subscriber uuid is tho
vagrant lion
easiest way is to check for their sub role on 7tv.app i guess
patent wing
here i found a array of every role type
vagrant lion
01 at the end
patent wing
probably, been a while dont remember
lol
i mean its a bitshifting function, not much you can change
warm yacht
Honestly I doubt this would be ... copyrightable, it's way too generic
paper token
this subpixel smoothing looks really contrasty
like mostly primary colors
it seems to work well though
thick coral
Could Love some Devs acknowledging these issues of times past ❤️ #1095926095192277003 message
tribal vapor
@south flare
tribal vapor
thick coral
..?
manic torrent
Need elp with laptop what should I get to program
plush sandal
something with at least 16gb of ram
paper token
so an air m2 wont work?
it depends what you're coding
patent wing
paper plover
Simple coding for learning? Most laptop can do
worn pasture
hello guys, im having some issues with hidding the recommended channels on twitch, and since for some reason i cant post in the bugs-and-issues channel im gonna share it here
so, when i expand the left sidebar the recommended channels are hidden
but if I collapse it they are not anymore
is there a way to fix this?
i always use twitch having the left side bar collapsed
this are my settings in the 7tv extension
manic torrent
I’m gonna buy a MacBook Air
pulsar iris
I’m gonna buy a MacBook Air
Get a referbished M2
paper token
are you buying the macbook air or is the macbook air buying you
Linux is the solution to your computer not owning you
quick spear
pulsar iris
Companies after forking Linux and playwalling it with a tos that goes against the spirit of foss
paper token
Companies after forking Linux and playwalling it with a tos that goes against th...
don’t use them
pulsar iris
I wasn't going to
manic torrent
Get a referbished M2
Why refurb?
paper token
Why refurb?
cheaper
Ive gotten refurb stuff a few times
Looks identical to brand new stuff
pulsar iris
Cheaper
The preformance boost from M2 to m4 isn't that much and won't really be noticeable for your tasks
trail drift
Look at Best Buy refurbished
I got a 1200 laptop for 400
And my friend got 1400 for 600
thick coral
Wonder if it's 'cuz of padding/or alt lines
alpine echo
how does 7tv get the recent chat history from before you joined?
proud valve
how does 7tv get the recent chat history from before you joined?
Using this service: https://recent-messages.robotty.de/
alpine echo
are you sure? i just tried getting a chats history using that after loading the channels page in my browser and seeing 7tv load the chat history, but it said that its bot had not joined that channel
strange owl
are you sure? i just tried getting a chats history using that after loading the ...
are you referring to recent chat messages? they're generally around 50 messages
alpine echo
when i open a chat or reload i see previous messages like this
im trying to figure out where 7tv pulls this data from
strange owl
that data is provided by twitch, natively it also has this behavior
alpine echo
oh it only does it when signed in 
i opened an inprivate window to make sure it wasnt twitch doing it but i wasnt signed in
strange owl
yes that is correct
plush kayak
yea that's just twitch although u can only query their gql api if you logged in with twitch's client id
when u make the request you need to provide an auth token and a client id
but the auth token is only valid if it came from the client id
and only twitch's is whitelisted
topaz crown
when u make the request you need to provide an auth token and a client id
you dont need auth for most queries, just client id
plush kayak
yeah but for chat history u do
topaz crown
oh ur right my b
warm yacht
that WIP site looks clean 
abstract elk
short sand
New redesign 
Please focus on immediately improving search 
rotund pivot
Twitter
solemn widget
patent wing
paper token
I actually made a 7TV logo with sharp 120° angles like that
It’s probably in #design-general somewhere
I’ll have to find it to compare
rancid tulip
7
pallid knot
Fix your Twitch extension doesn't open up fully just a thin line and clears the chat ever 1 to 2 messages
stuck oasis
devs just fix it
pulsar iris
pallid knot
<:4HEad:937726298539823184> devs just fix it
great idea
thick coral
Not Doc, apperantly..?
Vring vack: "YEAHVUT7TV", don't vall ov Thy wall, Humpty
paper plover
#help-old message
any idea?
paper plover
solved with zooming to 90%
paper token
Not Doc, apperantly..?
Vring vack: "YEAHVUT7TV", don't vall ov Thy wall, Humpty
Cool armor
paper token
plush kayak
south flare
ill fix the i and a swap
rancid tulip
it's happening
split marsh
I'm guessing there's some work going on with events.7tv.io/v3 ? 
my bot is freaking out at me complaining that it can't query it so has backed off and is now waiting a long time before reconnects
south flare
I'm guessing there's some work going on with `events.7tv.io/v3 `? <:KekW:6863141...
Not that we know of
south flare
Hmm okay I’ll look when I get home
sudden gust
Hetzner took us down
south flare
I'm guessing there's some work going on with `events.7tv.io/v3 `? <:KekW:6863141...
it happened at exactly 2pm
hetzner blackhole'd our ips because we had too many open connections
topaz crown
plush kayak
so what happens now
split marsh
it happened at exactly 2pm
how dare they. Thanks for looking into it 
south flare
i fixed it
split marsh
Yeah I saw 🙂 appreciate it
rotund pivot
self ddos 
paper token
I wish discord had a way to “slow ping” people
For when you @ everyone in large servers
It would ping people over a user-specified period
Instead of all at once
short sand
All due respect, shouldn't it be on developers to make sure this doesn't happen?
As to how, I have no idea. I'm a simple 
I only know the worse "scale"
south flare
i think its actually how many requests we do to stripe
its not even OUR API thats lagging
its stripes limit
and thus it becomes us
short sand
Oh really? I didn't even know it hit stripe's API
I just typed in the code and it said success - already subbed btw
south flare
we have to create the subs somehow
short sand
i think its actually how many requests we do to stripe
That makes more sense now. Thank you for the clarification
south cairn
r u supposed to get the sub badge for the 3 day trail or just the paint
rotund pivot
did you see any sub badges
rotund pivot
It’s just a regular subscription
You you get 5 monthly paint and the badge if you’re eligible
rancid tulip
7tv Update around the corner :FeelsStrongMan
plush kayak
:
tribal vapor
:
solemn widget
:
sullen edge
@quick ibex why does putting country code in the box here produce different results from using groups? the group only has 2 emotes for some reason
quick ibex
<@119484074820763650> why does putting country code in the box here produce diff...
Country codes uses the api to filter for country, meaning you can query up to the limit for that given country. The group only filters on the "already queried" emotes. Just set the limit much higher while using the grouping.
sullen edge
ahh okay
I don't mind just using the code, was just curious, is there any other benefit to it?
(in my case it's one flag, one language)
quick ibex
no
sullen edge
quick ibex
The query should be slightly more performant i guess
paper token
This is the first time I've actually seen the country selector
quick ibex
Yea, made it not long ago
paper token
Yea, made it not long ago
It looks good
Although I mean like, the separate queues per-country has been a thing for a while too, right? It's my first time seeing anything related to that
quick ibex
nope
paper token
I thought they were
quick ibex
api has had the ability to query by country, but not the website
paper token
ah
brisk cove
Who pinged me
twilit jolt
Quick question does anyone think the current 7tv website is clunky
patent wing
not clunky mostly backend issues
frosty bronze
but the front end will also get a facelift too
obsidian moon
Twitch id =/= 7tv id
You can check your 7tv id in the url of your 7tv profile pa...
can we pin this please? it's very helpful
vagrant lion
u can bookmark those 2 links with your username then edit the url to others in the future
obsidian moon
its not about me, its about others, im sure others like me whenever they come to channels like these check pinned messages for important changes/announcements, i believe it would be helpful.. so many good things get buried by the tens of thousands of messages
also, question about the API, is there a way to get the zero-width attribute of an emote?
and if someone can explain what the flags attribute is 🙂
paper plover
also, question about the API, is there a way to get the zero-width attribute of ...
if it has "flags": 256, then it's zero-width
paper plover
and if someone can explain what the flags attribute is 🙂
check the meaning of the flags here:
https://github.com/SevenTV/Website/blob/01d690c62a9978ecc64c972632fa500f837513c9/src/structures/Emote.ts#L59
obsidian moon
ah, thank you! documentation is a bit tricky to be found but i was on the right path by pure coincidence 😅
paper plover
if you are not familiar with bit-wise calculation
PRIVATE = 1,
LISTED = 2,
ZERO_WIDTH = 256,
PERSONAL_USE = 512
PERSONAL_USE_REJECTED = 1024,
but i think LISTED, PERSONAL_USE and PERSONAL_USE_REJECTED is not used
those can be checked from the "state" value
obsidian moon
you can just paste it in the console to see the result 
plush kayak
but if it's private and zero width isn't the flag value different
so u can't check for an exact value
stuck oasis
bitmask the flag you want and check if its 0
int flag = 0b100000001; // = 257
int is_private = (flag & (1 << 0)) != 0;
int is_zw = (flag & (1 << 8)) != 0;
something like that
depends on the language
if thats what you mean
cursive oasis
the emote query of the v3 api is not working for me 
maybe im just stupid idk
oh its a
gql thing
plush kayak
bitmask the flag you want and check if its 0
yea I know how to do it I was just saying that
untold iris
Is there anywhere I can find a full schema doc for the v3 api or do I just gotta figure it out myself lol
patent wing
stuck oasis
untold iris
https://github.com/SevenTV/API/tree/6d36bb52c8f7731979882db553e8dbc0153a38bf/dat...
thanks, exactly what I was looking for
plush kayak
Anatole
full owl
https://github.com/SevenTV/API/tree/6d36bb52c8f7731979882db553e8dbc0153a38bf/dat...
thank you so much
frosty bronze
bold kettle
why the fuck does the 7tv api show the NNYS 2023 set 3 times for me (I do own it) but 2 times for another account that doesn't even own the set? 
And then no times for other accounts? So weird. And someone else in general said they do own it and it shows up twice.
So how am I supposed to programatically determine who owns this set if the number of times it appears isn't even consistent?
I used the /users/twitch/<user-id> endpoint for this btw
keen portal
is it permanent or for a while?
gaunt crane
only for a while
stuck oasis
why the fuck does the 7tv api show the NNYS 2023 set 3 times for me (I do own it...
if you use gql you can request users by connection as well and for emote sets enable entitled and it should work, so something like
query MyQuery {
userByConnection(id: "135078647", platform: TWITCH) {
emote_sets(entitled: true) {
id
name
}
}
}
returns this for my account
{
"data": {
"userByConnection": {
"emote_sets": [
{
"id": "6116bc79446a415801b1b70d",
"name": "水の鳥's Emotes"
},
{
"id": "6320c315b5b851e2f4c1e37e",
"name": "ente"
},
{
"id": "632e05f02cfbb9c4a99577f4",
"name": "forsen"
},
{
"id": "63a9e26be98a476bfba07026",
"name": "Personal Emotes"
},
{
"id": "64a9ebba4d31004fca147dc9",
"name": "marin"
},
{
"id": "65195df03dc6f84f99aa2cad",
"name": "test link"
},
{
"id": "6664dbad6baf48349280a13b",
"name": "ente"
},
{
"id": "6664dce55e2229f4f6ebed1c",
"name": "forsen"
},
{
"id": "64f610be8bef73096908e237",
"name": "Fantasy | 7TV Sub Event 2023"
},
{
"id": "65786294a80ced4d1d9f55ff",
"name": "NNYS 2023"
}
]
}
}
}
it shouldnt show up if someone doesnt have it
https://cloud.hasura.io/public/graphiql?endpoint=https://7tv.io/v3/gql you can test it here
paper plover
forsen
bold kettle
if you use gql you can request users by connection as well and for emote sets en...
well then the problem is it doesn't differentiate between personal and channel emotes
bold kettle
I'm coding a chat overlay and when a user speaks in the channel I'm loading their personal emotes to be used in the overlay, so I need just the personal emote sets they have not the channel emote sets
But I could just call without entitled and then with entitled and filter out the ones that return without entitled. Just seems a bit silly 
stuck oasis
you can request the emote sets flags
so if you send gql query MyQuery { userByConnection(id: "135078647", platform: TWITCH) { emote_sets(entitled: true) { flags name id } } } you get ```
{
"data": {
"userByConnection": {
"emote_sets": [
{
"flags": 0,
"name": "水の鳥's Emotes",
"id": "6116bc79446a415801b1b70d"
},
{
"flags": 0,
"name": "ente",
"id": "6320c315b5b851e2f4c1e37e"
},
{
"flags": 0,
"name": "forsen",
"id": "632e05f02cfbb9c4a99577f4"
},
{
"flags": 4,
"name": "Personal Emotes",
"id": "63a9e26be98a476bfba07026"
},
{
"flags": 0,
"name": "marin",
"id": "64a9ebba4d31004fca147dc9"
},
{
"flags": 0,
"name": "test link",
"id": "65195df03dc6f84f99aa2cad"
},
{
"flags": 0,
"name": "ente",
"id": "6664dbad6baf48349280a13b"
},
{
"flags": 0,
"name": "forsen",
"id": "6664dce55e2229f4f6ebed1c"
},
{
"flags": 4,
"name": "Fantasy | 7TV Sub Event 2023",
"id": "64f610be8bef73096908e237"
},
{
"flags": 4,
"name": "NNYS 2023",
"id": "65786294a80ced4d1d9f55ff"
}
]
}
}
}
Oh personal have 4 
stuck oasis
bold kettle
thank you 
stuck oasis
np
also consider checking if the third bit is set instead of just checking if the flags field equals 4 since there might also be other flags set in some rare cases (I think? Thats how it works for emote flags at least)
not too sure tho if that can happen on emote set flags too
it should be very rare cases anyway
bold kettle
not sure what you mean by that
stuck oasis
well so there are other flags besides just personal like immutable or commercial that have different values. the Commertial flag is 8 or the immutable flag is 1
so if a set is immutable and private
it might return 5
in the fflags
because 4 + 1
but im not sure if that can happen on emote sets
these are the flags
there arent that many
bold kettle
stuck oasis
Actually now that i think about it you might also want to check for the commercial flag which is 8 
idk if there are any sets like that already but i think that flag would imply something similar to personal emotes except you purchased the set
bold kettle
Anyone know who the Dungeon Mistress is?
paper token
Me
pulsar iris
Kathy
solemn citrus
yoo
fickle mica
fierce idol
bold kettle
So I noticed that on Chatterino7 all animated emotes seem to run on a global clock so that they are always synced with their start times. But I notice the 7tv browser extension does not do anything like this so emotes are not in sync with each other. Is this just not possible with how browsers work? Was looking to implement it in a chat overlay I'm making but it's way too advanced for me.
The only thing I could come up with is set the img src to empty and back to the image for all currently shown img elements whenever a new one appears. It works but it's laggy with a lot of images and causes all emotes to start over when a new emote appears in chat.
Any help would be appreciated 
Chatterino7 Example
7tv extension example
patent wing
browser abstraction
solemn widget
So I noticed that on Chatterino7 all animated emotes seem to run on a global clo...
it's a per browser behaviour afaik
firefox emotes start their animation each time they spawn i think
but chromium might do something else
bold kettle
but chromium might do something else
I see. Yeah it seems chromium just loads them once and then every time that same image appears again it's on the same clock. So there isn't a way to just keep them in sync like Chatterino7 does it?
solemn widget
I see. Yeah it seems chromium just loads them once and then every time that same...
so you're making an overlay right?
bold kettle
solemn widget
there's somewhat of a possibility that you would be able to load the images within a <canvas> and then play them manually but other than that, i'm really not sure how else you could do it
we couldn't solve this with the 7tv extension as its a browser thing
bold kettle
okay thank you I'll look into canvases
south flare
why do u care so much abt sync 
lethal jackal
uhm ....?
brave browser
plus the server gives me 4 random numbers after my nickname every time I click refresh
lethal jackal
lethal jackal
I test different browsers, firefox, same thing
i am unlink my clollection from yt and kick
rotund pivot
its gonna always happen if your first connection isnt twitch
lethal jackal
I have another question about the founder's badge. I couldn't unlock it, I don't know why?
topaz crown
You only get it if you subbed the first month or so of 7tv
bold kettle
why do u care so much abt sync <:think:642295717901238273>
Because some emotes are designed to be used separately and also together and they don't work if the emotes aren't synced
bold kettle
I know it would be a breaking change for implementations but I think it'd make more sense to define paint drop-shadows using em instead of px so that it's not font-size dependent. Right now if you use px for the drop shadow and have a 48px font-size it's 1/3rd the size it should be according to the font-size used on the 7tv website for usernames being 16px.
bold kettle
Does someone happen to have the relevant code snippet for the 7tv extension that gets a random color for a user that doesn't have an assigned color? Just wanna see if it's pure random or a function I can copy so that I can sync the random color with my chat overlay
solemn widget
if you mean grayname coloring then its client side
on twitch it just picks one of the colors from the default twitch colors
solemn widget
so its one of these
oh oops
i randomly found the values
for all the colors
in the chatterino repo
bold kettle
Gotcha
topaz crown
'#0000FF': 'blue',
'#8A2BE2': 'blue_violet',
'#5F9EA0': 'cadet_blue',
'#D2691E': 'chocolate',
'#FF7F50': 'coral',
'#1E90FF': 'dodger_blue',
'#B22222': 'firebrick',
'#DAA520': 'golden_rod',
'#008000': 'green',
'#FF69B4': 'hot_pink',
'#FF4500': 'orange_red',
'#FF0000': 'red',
'#2E8B57': 'sea_green',
'#00FF7F': 'spring_green',
'#9ACD32': 'yellow_green'
};``` in case you want the hex onesI already have those and was picking a random one from them but didn't know if there was a way to sync it, but seems not so oh well
patent wing
decimal color
const TWITCH_COLORS: &'static [u32] = &[
16711680, // Red
255, // Blue,
65280, // Green
11346466, // Fire Brick
16744272, // Coral
10145074, // Yellow Green
16729344, // Orange Red
3050327, // Sea Green
14329120, // Goldenrod
13789470, // Chocolate
6266528, // Cadet Blue
2003199, // Dodger Blue
16738740, // Hot Pink
9055202, // Blue Violet
65407, // Spring Green
];
I remember a channel that would ban you if you used spring green and didn’t change it after being warned
patent wing
broken ermine
Hi,
I wanna to track personal user emotes on multiple twitch channels. If I subscribe via WS on the channel events on the multiple channels, how can I track the result, from which channel the event came?
topaz crown
Hi,
I wanna to track personal user emotes on multiple twitch channels. If I subs...
the channel and actor data are provided in the dispatches so you'd just parse it for which channel is which
broken ermine
the channel and actor data are provided in the dispatches so you'd just parse it...
I keep getting only system user
Real user https://7tv.io/v3/users/twitch/713262081
And my event
broken ermine
d.body.id should be their 7tv ID
But that is my d.body.id https://7tv.io/v3/users/65786294a80ced4d1d9f55ff
Check the screenshoot
Is the same system user
topaz crown
have you tried adding or removing emotes, are you getting dispatches for those
broken ermine
have you tried adding or removing emotes, are you getting dispatches for those
Nope, Its note mine emotes. This private emotes of random user in the chat of the current channel
cond = {
'ctx': "channel",
'platform': "TWITCH",
'id': str(channel_id),
}
...
{
"op": 35,
"d": {
"type": "emote_set.*",
"condition": cond}
i use the cond = { "object_id": "emote set id" } for the condition on emote_set.update, i haven't tried using channel context
open mason
Hi, I'm trying to create a extension from scratch to add badges from our community to next to twitch chat-user, but cannot access to the proper target to create a mutationObserver, can you give me hint???
plush kayak
the extension is open source
patent wing
source available
bold kettle
Does anyone know why on Chatterino7 when a user that has 7tv cosmetics chats from a different client that doesn't use 7tv cosmetics, their cosmetics just don't load at all for me? Why does their client affect what my client loads?
solemn widget
Does anyone know why on Chatterino7 when a user that has 7tv cosmetics chats fro...
7tv has a "presence" system, where the client periodically sends a ping that its in chat to inform the server to tell other people in the chat your cosmetics
if you dont send your presence to the server the server doesnt know that you're in chat
so it doesnt distribute your cosmetics to everyone else
it's basically the best solution we can come up with that doesnt involve putting a bot to listen to every chat ever
vagrant lion
who thought of this? 
bold kettle
I would just make the client store a list of seen chatters and if they haven't been seen chatting for x minutes then stop checking for their cosmetics
solemn widget
yes
this solution has a very bad problem though
if you're in a chat with like 200K people they would have to query all the chatters in chat and ask the 7tv servers for whether or not they have cosmetics
plush kayak
is it not possible to just send extra irc data
solemn widget
so this means that if 1 person chats, 200k other people will have to ask the server, and that'll happen with every message
plush kayak
or does twitch remove any invalid ones when it goes from server to all clients
bold kettle
I see
solemn widget
is it not possible to just send extra irc data
you can send some custom data using the client-nonce tag but it's iffy
plush kayak
yea ok
solemn widget
i dont remember the exact reason for them not doing it but it's mostly because twitch staff asked not to do it
plush kayak
well it's also just
if there's any other thing
that uses that hack
to send more data
it will be incompatible
solemn widget
yeah that approach also limits it to twitch only
you wouldn't be able to add cosmetics to like kick with this type of system
or youtube
plush kayak
no I mean like
sending more irc data would mean that u add a nonce tag and then the value would be encrypted data correct?
bold kettle
I guess the only other way to mitigate it would be to create a cached 7tv cosmetics data per channel so every client would check and update from that one source for what channel they are in and that one source would be the thing that updates based on people chatting instead of the thousands of clients.
solemn widget
it would be incompatible but pretty much no one does anything with client-nonce's, they're made so you can check that your message actually got sent into chat or whatever
plush kayak
but if u do that and there's another extension that does the same thing it won't merge the tags correct?
solemn widget
it's only used by the twitch web chat
solemn widget
but if u do that and there's another extension that does the same thing it won't...
no one does that though
plush kayak
if 7tv does it other people will
bold kettle
I guess the only other way to mitigate it would be to create a cached 7tv cosmet...
Does this solution make sense? Or was this also considered and decided against
solemn widget
I guess the only other way to mitigate it would be to create a cached 7tv cosmet...
yeah thats certainly possible
bold kettle
solemn widget
actually
i think that's how badges worked originally in older 7tv versions
you just had a huge json file with user ids and badge ids
bold kettle
Well I'm assuming that was global though not per channel right? Which I could see being very bad very quickly
solemn widget
yeah it was global
plush kayak
doesn't bttv do that
solemn widget
yes
solemn widget
the thing with our cosmetics is that we want appealing real-time cosmetic updates
paper token
yeah
bold kettle
yeah
paper token
that's the reason that 7tv moved away from that method
because the update times were too long
bold kettle
But yeah that's why I said storing it per channel for active chatters so that it would still be manageable size
solemn widget
i think the laziest solution to this problem would be to have a mix of our current thing with cached cosmetics but storing all the people who chatted in a specific chat and publically displaying them would probably be a privacy issue
so idk
bold kettle
I mean I guess? But if you just store people that were active the last 10m it's really not much and you could literally just see that by being in the chat yourself
solemn widget
yeah but wouldn't you just end up with the same problem then
bold kettle
no because the instant they chat again their cosmetics are checked for again
solemn widget
if they send presence to the server
bold kettle
I think we're thinking about this differently
solemn widget
maybe
bold kettle
The thing I am thinking of doesn't include presense at all. It just checks the cosmetics for anyone actively chatting in the channel and stores that info for all clients to see in that channel.
So basically:
- person chats in chat
- server that checks for people chatting in that channel checks for that new person's cosmetics and stores it in a cache for the channel (and adds them to a list to check for updates periodically)
- The other people using a 7tv client just periodically check the channel cache for users with cosmetics to display them
- that person hasn't been seen in 10m so their cache is removed.
solemn widget
yes so basically your solution involves having a bot in the channel right
which would watch people in the chat
bold kettle
I guess yeah but could just be an anon bot like justinfan
solemn widget
twitch might get rid off anon connections soon
they've been experimenting with that
pulsar iris
7tv tried having a bot and everyone lost their minds
bold kettle
but they had a named non-anon bot
vagrant lion
ban 7tvbot
bold kettle
twitch might get rid off anon connections soon
Yeah I guess that's a concern. So far they haven't
solemn widget
anon or not it could still be a pretty iffy issue
vagrant lion
solemn widget
even if the bot would be open source you cant make sure the server runs the exact same build, it's an interesting privacy issue
pulsar iris
Yes but it was also many chatters in here
misty olive
Yes but it was also many chatters in here
yeah true
vagrant lion
night 
analtoe
pulsar iris
assic
misty olive
i don’t want my data stolen!!!
bold kettle
even if the bot would be open source you cant make sure the server runs the exac...
I mean that's the case with anything open source though
solemn widget
yes
but it's a server issue
if you compile chatterino from scratch you can be sure there isn't any spyware in it
bold kettle
true
solemn widget
you cant check if the server is running any kind of tracking on it
because you dont have access to it
bold kettle
Just give everyone access to the server
paper token
I think 7tv is widespread enough that people would be ok with having the bot in their chat, BUT a different solution would be ideal
bold kettle
Well non-anon bots are definitely limited by Twitch now if not modded
don't remember the number of channels they can be in but it's not much
vagrant lion
what if u selfbot? for example, troy selfbot himself instead of 7tvbot
paper token
decentralized self-botting 
vagrant lion
surely people wont ban him for stalking right? 
paper token
everyone snitches reports on the other uses in chats
solemn widget
funny thing but breaks the twitch tos
paper token
7tv extension checks other chatters and sends the data to 7tv to check for badges and cache it for that channel
would be cool tho
bold kettle
oh yeah here it is. But they don't mention justinfan https://discuss.dev.twitch.com/t/giving-broadcasters-control-concurrent-join-limits-for-irc-and-eventsub/54997?page=2
paper token
the embed preview text is funny
paper token
ah
next tundra
rare crag
sorry for asking this here, im having a problem with the 7tv, who can i talk to try and fix it?
frosty bronze
usually helps if you describe the problem
vagrant lion
ask to ask
lyric cosmos
Yo wsg brotha