#🐣︱classic-role-ideas

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marsh whale
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i mean if you turn off the sheriff and vig you can always turn off the duckling

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and there's always the pelican and falcon

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you can kill him if you are an avenger

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and he is pretty easy to spot

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i'm pretty sure that if the sheriff is on he will always be in the game

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%role
The Ugly Duckling[Neutral]

Abilities:
-Can turn to stone

[Turn to stone??
if he turns a player into stone the STONE player can't move
you can turn a STONE player back to normal if you find him and do an easy task
if there's a meeting called or body reported every STONE player dies

Special Ability:
The ducks see him as a duck

sand owl
marsh whale
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how one smart person said
With great power comes great responsibility

sand owl
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Honestly I think the player should be turned to stone after a meeting is called

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And also if the person sees you as a duck that will be too overpowered

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I don't think a neutral should have that kind of power

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It's because it'll make it way easier to find out who the ducks are and you can just easily eliminate them by turning them into stone

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Because when it comes to the mimic they can't kill they can only vent

marsh whale
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how will it be easier

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it will be only harder

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cause now they got 2 fake ducks

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they are going to be scared to mension being a duck

marsh whale
sand owl
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I mean sneak through the fog thing

marsh whale
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and they have the spy duck

sand owl
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Anyways unlike the role you choose the minute can't really do anything

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If you find a mimic you can trap them and they can't do anything about it in certain maps

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But when it comes to your role the ducks can't do anything to counter it

marsh whale
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they can

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his ability has a cooldown

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one duck kills him and unfrozes his duck friend

sand owl
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I play with a lot of people and usually ducks go separately to avoid suspicion

marsh whale
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well special times need special methods
(or something like that)

sand owl
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I'm just saying that them having to do a test for free the person is not very ideal

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And if they're playing in a big map they're probably never going to be able to find that person

marsh whale
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well that person needs to find them to win

sand owl
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I play in the basement a lot and sometimes I can go the whole round with only seeing one person

marsh whale
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and they don't know who are the ducks

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but the ducks know (if they find out) who he is

sand owl
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That's true but all you have to do is just ask them what their role is

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I've done this trick as a mimic and most of the time it worked since they see me as one of their own

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I usually tell them that because I found out someone is the "Canadian"so I can potentially Force out them saying their role

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And if you find out you can just freeze them automatically

marsh whale
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well they should be pretty cautious if they have 2 spies

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i mean it's the ducks fault if they play badly

marsh whale
sand owl
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The person is not playing badly when it comes to this game your greatest strength is communication without communication it will be so easy to cover up killing a Canadian

sand owl
marsh whale
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figure out who is good
vote out the badies

sand owl
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And most of the time when I play in lobbies mimic is turned off because a lot of people seriously do not like that role

marsh whale
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as a duck
figure out who's on your side
kill the rest

marsh whale
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probably

sand owl
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But what's the point of adding a role of everyone just going to turn it off

marsh whale
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or they won't cause it's another role that can killl

marsh whale
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there's always someone who will enjoy it

sand owl
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I think this will be better as a duck role

marsh whale
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i don't think so

sand owl
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You should probably come up with a different name because a duckling is still a duck

marsh whale
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and The ducks can unfreze a STONE player and they will know for sure who froze them

marsh whale
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because it's a nod to the story The Ugly Duckling about a Swan

sand owl
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I think I got a better idea instead of them freezing immediately they freeze 10 to 15 seconds after

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Because if that person gets on Frozen they will immediately know who you are

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The person can probably pass a person or two in the time span

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So when the person freezes and gets unfrozen they will not immediately expect you

marsh whale
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if you frezze them before reporting a body

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they die instantly

sand owl
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This role needs some type of way to know if a person's Frozen

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Because if it's a on a big map there's a pretty good chance that they're never going to find them

marsh whale
sand owl
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Good idea

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In order to win I think they should at least freeze three people at the same time

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What I mean at the same time is all in one round

marsh whale
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idk i would make them win by being the last person standing but i mean your idea sounds pretty fun

sand owl
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Honestly being the last one standing will be too broken because if the ducks see them as one of their own they can be very discreet about it and get the win

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I also did a little bit thinking the task for unfreezing the death should be creating an antidote somewhere in a map

marsh whale
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i also thought about something like that (creating an antidote)

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beacuse the idea is that it's The UGLY Duckling so he turns to stone
(like Medusa)

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but there is a Polish Legend about "Bazyliszek"

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who is an animalistic monster who turns people into stone with his eyes

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and there's was one person turned to stone and he was turned back by an antidote

viral dove
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The Miner duck creating a vent isn't good, because then they could just hide anywhere. The vents and hiding places are put in specific places to restrict where hiding can go.
The Inspector goose has been suggested a few times at this point. Not sure how useful knowing the exact time of death is, but people seem to like it.
The Mafia Boss duck has two special abilities, and that's a big no-no. I'm not sure either of those abilities are appropriate for the game as it currently is.

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As for the Ugly Duckling... there's already been a lot of discussion around it, but petrification would be bad if it can be healed. Turning people to stone might not be a bad idea in and of itself, but it would need to be a permanent thing, as it's basically a kill button.

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Also, the name probably needs to be something else. "Duckling" suggests it's a duck, but it clearly isn't, and I believe the ugly duckling in the fable was just a swan.

sand owl
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And also the miner roll could work

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But it does need a lot of balancing. For example you can only place it once per game. You can only place two in one leads to the other one. You can only go in it a certain amount of times before it eventually caves in

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Each meeting will take one point away from the vents durability

sand owl
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So that means you will not know if someone is coming or not you just have to risk it which can bring some pretty fair balance to this role

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And I think the cave collapsing thing will also be another thing to counteract this because if you do this in a ginormous map where it's easier to escape you will have a certain amount of time you can do it before the cave collapses and you can't use it anymore. This role also be a one-time thing for the game.

gloomy jolt
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%role
Chicken[neutral]

Abilities:
-hit list

Special Ability' :
Swap people places in meetings. They have to hit a button on 2 people in meetings to swap them when the results come. They have to get 2 people out with there ability. But if one target dies it just replaces with someone else and if they don't get anyone out with the swap they get revealed as the chicken.

steep moth
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We are familiar with modded AU wink

void halo
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Probably works better as a neutral role than the way it works in AU. 99% of swaps in AU are trolling and typically result in losing a crewmate.

final dock
void halo
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Yeah I like it being used in-round, similar to Silencer/Party Duck. I think perhaps the win condition would be tied to number of players in lobby like Vulture but 2/3/4 instead of 3/4/5.

viral drum
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%role Aikido Goose: This goose will punch his killer (in self defense) in the face giving them a black eye for the remainder of the round until a meeting or a body is called.

frail canopy
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To be fair

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Im sure we asked a whole year about the chicken role

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Are we gonna ever get it or not?

lavish craterBOT
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When will we get the next roles/maps/feature/cool stuff?

As soon as it's ready! The gaggle team develop quickly, and we release patches fairly often. We don't often give out firm dates because it's either going to be a lie if we're wrong, or it'll be a rushed product that might sacrifice quality for speed. This could translate into releasing something without sufficient testing and creating lots of bugs for the game.

If you find none of that explanation sufficient, as Herbert always says, today we are one day closer than yesterday.

calm hare
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There have been multiple chicken roles suggested over the past year, most of them violated the roles doc

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If it happens, it happens, but asking if we are going to get it or not isn't going to change things

void halo
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I suppose when a good Chicken role is proposed

mint gale
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We were close on a design but it unfortunately took away from the spirit of the game. I have some ideas on how to make a Chicken role work and be representative of it's real world nature.

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Something along the lines of how a dodo plays in that once dead, it receives it's own win condition. (Basically just runs around without a head).

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Still can't find a way to make it work to where its conducive to the spirit of the game (because it would be known) but it might survive in it's own game mode.

summer current
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a gamemode where we could run around without heads after death would be amazing

viral drum
# calm hare There have been multiple chicken roles suggested over the past year, most of the...

Even if they violate the rules. Doesn't that mean we can't find a way so it doesn't break the game? I had suggested a role called Jumping goose. This role had the goose be able to jump in front of someone to prove they are a good goose. This role seems to break the rule of social deduction of confirming your role to everyone, right? However in addition to it to be a confirmable role, it has a big downfall. You can only jump to confirm yourself to 1 PERSON at a time. (or no one) And if you jump with 2 or more birds watching... crossbones t h e y d i e . (don't ask questions about role regarding cooldown) The point is. People might just find ways to make counters to things that would violate the rules but make the game fair at the same time

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Not disrepecting any of the rules.

steep moth
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He was specifically saying that most suggested ideas for chicken go against the design doc

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mostly revolved around resurrection/2nd life

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Many have tried to force the Chicken role, its a funny bird... just what would it do?
I actually had to tell people to stop suggesting it at one point because the collective was throwing a bunch of not so great ideas out there. Trying to force it
A role idea for Chicken has to come naturally

viral drum
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I see

calm hare
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until I'm told otherwise, the role document is what I'm going by 🤷

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and about 8/10 suggestions for chicken have been some variation of "runs around with their head cut off after death"

sudden rampart
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the jumping goose's weakness doesn't matter, because its breaking the social deduction aspect

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this doesn't mean that its impossible that there could be a role that could break the social deduction aspect and still be fun,fair, etc.. but if your starting point is trying to violate one of the rules, chances are your head is not in the same space as ours.. or be suited for a different new game mode.. or a whole new game entirely

quiet crest
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%role
"Come on Lucky Guess"
Guesser(Goose)
-Just like Assasin but for goose

-The Guesser can guess A Player's Duck/Neutral Role if they are correct the guessed player dies by killing itself ,if not,Well The Guesser Dies

-Can guess based on how many ducks or neutrals there are combined

-Guessing has a 30sec cooldown so they wont go for a Massacre in meetings

vale hatch
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Taskmaster: Neutral / can make people repeat tasks by repeating what someone did and can restart a sabatage task if repeated it / wins if voted out like dodo

strong kestrel
vale hatch
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Lol really?

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I thought it was bland and stupid

strong kestrel
vale hatch
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I was thinking of a role that is kinda like a troll thing but eh

strong kestrel
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???

vale hatch
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But yeah fair

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Nevermind I misread you'res sorry

dim oracle
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Chicken - can fly to any location on the map and upon landing blinds anyone under them so they cant see who they chicken is but the chickens shadow can be seen on the ground as they come down.

vale hatch
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Hm interesting

sonic prism
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%role Warden(goose): Can extend the amount of time players are locked in jail (jail maps only).

gusty bone
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8th essay post

worldly badge
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%role

shaman goose

on locations where deaths have occured on the previous round, you can see the colors of the deceased birds.

more details: a "ghost" will float on said locations. this includes bodies that have disappeared ex: vulture, cannibal, and those killed on the river and boiler in the basement. it includes prof and demo kills as well. for undertaker kills, it shows where the body was killed, not the last location of the body. for peli kills, the "ghost" shows up on the location of peli immediately before the previous meeting. peli kill is marked by a unique "ghost"
if seeing the color is too much, then just put something like wisps on these locations.

lore i guess? the shaman is not seeing the ghosts of the birds that have been killed; those are the dead players. what the shaman is seeing are, in fact, evil, roaming spirits. because they long to be alive once again, whenever someone's soul leaves their body, these evil spirits try to mimic the appearance of this body, and subsequently attempt to possess it. they, of course, fail, as the body is already dead. so they end up spending the next round crying over this fact.
why the astral doesnt get possessed by these spirits is due to their training.
due to the grotesque nature of peli kills, a particularly malevolent spirit gets attracted instead of the usual ones.

vale hatch
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That's really interesting and cool

wispy oriole
strong kestrel
viral dove
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I don't think that's too overpowered, Lacquer. You already know the people are dead, so it's not overpowered. The question becomes how that can be useful in deduction. I guess if you somehow are able to map out everyone's movements, you can guess who a killer is. Maybe someone smarter than me can figure out a use for the info.

sturdy wagon
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what about a ghostbusters type called a goosebuster. it is an anti-medium character. so as a BAD goosebuster you can suck up ghosts so that tasks cant be done for a brief time (the ghost can break free in like 30 seconds but can only be caught 1 time per round) if a meeting is called or a body reported then then ghost is set free after the meeting. also maybe make some sool kill animations for the goosebusters heck-no-blasters.

wispy oriole
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That could actually work to slow down task wins, it'd need a downgrade though (either no venting or no sabotages).

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I also don't think the anti medium part is needed

calm hare
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Well first off, Turkey would be a neutral role and need its own win condition. Second being able to see what room a duck, specifically, was in gives that player a lot of information on who the ducks are.

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And how exactly does this reflect a turkey? Turkey's aren't exactly known for being investigative birds or hunting down other birds

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Well let's say the role, as you made it, gets in. If they know a duck went into a room, they could easily just camp out around sabotages and win the game super quickly, especially in games with only 1-2 ducks

lavish craterBOT
calm hare
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How complicated is this role?
Roles should be able to be explained in a few lines, even if the nitty gritty nuances would take longer to explain. Lovers will die if their counterpart dies, and they win if they get to the end. The Professional leaves invisible bodies and can’t report any bodies. Players don’t necessarily need to know up front that they won’t report the Canadian, but the concept of the Professional is simple. If a role you are suggesting has several powers, it’s likely too complicated for Classic+. It doesn’t mean that the role has no worth, but it might need to live in another game mode.

final dock
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^^

calm hare
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I highly recommend reading that document. It will save time when suggesting roles

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Neutrals aren't designed to work WITH the geese or the ducks, they are on their own team

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aah, i missed the not, i'm still waking up

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but if it is a goose role, then it is just a sheriff with extra power

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Not really, the avenger has to actually witness a kill in order to do anything. And I have seen a lot of sheriffs get killed by the avenger

sudden rampart
calm hare
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Then that's just vigilante who gets to kill once per round

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And i would say read the role document, again

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How does this affect existing roles?
In general, you don’t really want to make a role obsolete (unless you have a very good reason or a very good idea). It’s better to add new content than to replace content. A counterexample would be a role that had two shots without consequences, instead of just one. This makes the vigilante obsolete.

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as you have it written yes.

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Because the first idea would replace sheriff but would have the ability to see where ducks have been/are. The second would be a vigilante who gets to kill every round

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how does that raven win then? it would be a neutral role

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by the virtue of being named raven, it would have to be neutral

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also, tracker roles have been suggested multiple times. The devs are also aware of modded among us and if there is a role in there they have already considered how it would work in GGD

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Yep, and they have been suggested here even more

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Role suggestions are a lot more difficult than cosmetics or map ideas

strong kestrel
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Role ideas here are like neutral role the better dodo i mean killer he has a kill button can go through walls can kill people from whole map can morph to people can eat people and in meetings he can kill everyone and he wins by being last or getting voted out

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Balanced by 2000%

calm hare
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There are a lot of interesting ideas posted, but most of them don't consider the game balance

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and I'm guessing most of them haven't ever read the role document

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Memo was just making a joke, not suggesting a role

strong kestrel
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Yes

vale hatch
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Taskmaster: Neutral / can make people repeat tasks by repeating what someone did and can restart a sabatage task if repeated it / wins if voted out like dodo

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It's a stupid idea I know but I thought of a trolling role

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No you're fine

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English is like that so eh

fervent pasture
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A hero goose will be cool

calm hare
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you could say any goose who does their job well is a hero to the rest of them

civic linden
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%role
Mafia Boss(duck)

The mafia boss has two abilities.

Mafia boss can see the role of all ducks
If there is a mimic, one of the roles that is not caught by another duck is marked as fake.

When the mafia boss kills the goose, the color of the body disappears, and if the body is reported, neither the dead nor the who is reported is displayed.

lavish craterBOT
calm hare
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Specifically:
No role has multiple powers
Venting and killing can be considered the most any role has, and that’s baked into what a vanilla duck can do. However, there won’t be any roles with several powers in Classic +. Maybe in a different game mode. Part of this is a concern of the balance of enjoyment in the game, and making a role too cool, and by comparison everything else less enjoyable. Another consideration would be that we intend for the game to be on mobile as well as pc/mac. So if your role requires several buttons, that might barely work on PC, but adding a few buttons in addition to the use/report/ability/vent buttons makes the UI very difficult to navigate on mobile.

civic linden
calm hare
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That would count as multiple powers regardless of the semantics you want to assign. And you are the one who said it has two abilities, not I.

vale hatch
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Taskmaster: Neutral / can make people repeat tasks by repeating what someone did and can restart a sabatage task if repeated it / wins if voted out like dodo

calm hare
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Spamming the channel with the same idea is not going to be anymore effective for getting your idea seen. The devs read all the ideas that go in.

vale hatch
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Oh sorry just did not see anyone say anything about it

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My bad

civic linden
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%role

Cook(goose)
If there's a body around you, you can killed someone(include bomb body)

Investigator(goose)
You can examine the goose and see his footprints (about 50 steps).If you investigate others, your previous person's footprints disappear.

Terrorist(duck)
Every certain time, you can block all the entrances to the designated place.

Hostage(goose)
Whoever kills (including the assassin kill), if hostage dies, it dies with the person who killed hostage

Jester(goose..?)
To Jester, his role seems false (only goose roles come out).Jester can use his job skills as they are, but the information he get from the role is false.

Toucan(neutral)
Toucan can kill another goose with his beak.There is only a slight delay (there is also a visible motion).After killing the goose, the body can be temporarily buried in the ground after five seconds.When buried, there is a mark buried in the place of the body, and the buried body can be reported body if mortician uses his ability twice in a row and cannot be reported if uses it once or not use (even vulture cannot be eaten).If you bury a total of four bodies, you win.

civic linden
calm hare
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Alright, let's just knock this out a bit

Taskmaster: Basically a dodo but with the ability to reset tasks. Not sure how this would be affected the new task system that's coming up. Honestly if you want to make a role just to troll people you can do that as dodo as it is.

Cook: I fail to see the reasoning behind "dead body is here i can kill someone for it". Especially from the goose perspective this is most likely just going to wind up with more dead geese, giving the ducks a bigger advantage.

Investigator: The devs are fully aware of roles from modded among us, a tracker role has been suggested multiple times since the game launched and is either being considered or flat out isn't going to be put in.

Hostage: The ducks are already severely outnumbered as it is. Killing one of them randomly just because they killed the wrong person is going to severely unbalance things in favor of the geese.

Jester: I fail to see the purpose of introducing a role that purposefully gives the geese a handicap

Toucan: Are toucans known for burying things they have killed? If the mortician is already dead or isn't in the game, there is no counter for this role.

civic linden
civic linden
strong kestrel
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:/

viral drum
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That was a joke if you hadn't figured it out yet

lethal leaf
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%role
Judge (duck) - after you killed 2/3 players, you can mark someone, if in the next meeting no one gets voted out, that marked player dies, no one knows who is marked in the meeting, it doesn't activate dodo's win.

fervent pasture
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Tracker goose this has a 10 sec cooldown it can temporarily know where everyone is on the map

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Stalker duck is a combination of the demo and hitman the difference is the stalker can posion it this is to counter grouping or teaming

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Rogue goose this goose is like mimic is but for goose

lavish craterBOT
calm hare
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Technically the ducks already work like the mimic but for geese as you can't tell who they are. It is also better to put more thought into one idea and think of how it would work in the game rather than spamming every idea that comes into your head.

quiet crest
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%role

"And now i must cast a spell"

Name:Wizard
Team/Side:Goose
Abilities:

Teleport
-Randomly teleport Everyone including You To a Random Location

-Teleport Everyone in a Random Location(Except the Tunnels in the Jungle Map)

  • 120 sec cooldown

Magic
-Ranged,Kills the first player it touches

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Bot is dead agai

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%role

calm hare
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Is that 2 roles or one?

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Well considering how it is formatted, I'm guessing that it is one. This would 1. Be an instantly confirmable role on the goose side, 2. having a kill ability and teleport would count as having 2 powers.

lavish craterBOT
viral dove
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Even if it's just the teleport ability, how does this benefit the geese at all? The sheriff theoretically is helpful in that it can kill multiple non-geese if you're accurate at reading the other players. Random teleportation is just chaos.

clear patrol
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Just not the most helpful thing in gamemodes like Classic+

sonic prism
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%role Hatchling(Duck or Goose): Complete your tasks to learn your identity. You get 5 or so tasks and the start of the next round those tasks are done you get your role revealed, either a vanilla goose or duck. Hatching into a goose deducts the tasks you completed from the pool and hatching into a duck turns your name red and reveals the other ducks. The hatchling is already predetermined so the ducks would be missing a member until the hatchling hatches. You still win with your team if you die before hatching.

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The whole idea of the role is to be completely neutral at first without necessarily changing teams or being able to choose what you want to become. You would want to complete those tasks as quickly as possible to help your respective team. If the ducks know there is a hatchling, the must be careful in killing early on because one of them may be their hatchling.

civic linden
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%role

Repairer(goose)
If the repairer fixes or solves the sabotage, it prevents the sabotage from being used as the next sabotage.If you turn on another sabotage in a blocked state, you can do a blocked sabotage again

Minerremade
You can dig a pit.You can hide after few seconds after digging.You can dig unlimited in the round and the pit disappears when the next round starts.It is impossible to move between the holes, and the holes play a role similar to vents.

Cuckoo(neutral)
Cuckoo is randomly placed in a particular camp.No matter what the goose,neutral,or duck is.And cuckoo if the team placed in the team wins, he wins instead of the team.cuckoo know what kind of camp itself, but ducks, neutrals, and others don't know whose team cuckoo is.If neutral who is cuckoo's camp dies in the vote, cuckoo dies together.

viral dove
void halo
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It's not really team changing. Your team is set, you just don't know what it is initially. Don't think it necessarily would be fun though.

sonic prism
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I was thinking about giving the goose a random role that is not in the lobby but I wasn't sure if that would ruin the point of the role

wispy oriole
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I like the Hatchling role how it is and would enjoy playing it

wispy oriole
calm hare
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Hatchling: **Roles should be able to be explained in a few lines, even if the nitty gritty nuances would take longer to explain. **
Repairer: We don’t really want to create additional vulnerabilities to the lights sabotage
Miner: Basically just the mechanic or snitch but they can hide anywhere so. In general, you don’t really want to make a role obsolete (unless you have a very good reason or a very good idea). It’s better to add new content than to replace content.
Cuckoo: An important facet of roles should be that there is play and counterplay.

viral drum
long anvil
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I thought of this the other day and was told I should throw this in here.

" Owl-( neutral killer) You are a silent night time predator, you must eliminate all the prey.
They have regular sight, and a kill button with a regular kill timer like 30 seconds, but once the light/vision sabotage activates their vision is enhanced and their killcooldown is shortened (5-10 seconds maybe.) They must kill everyone.

Chicken- (neutral) You are the cowardly chicken, you do what you can to survive! Get rid of other neutrals and side with the Geese or Ducks!.
The chicken has regular vision and no tasks but can side with fhe Ducks or Geese being an extra voting block, but is a wildcard that could swing whatever way that may scare each side they'll turn on them. They must help get rid of the killing neutrals to secure their win.

I have no idea if those sound entertaining or already taken in way. "

civic linden
viral dove
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Sabotages are one of the few tools the ducks have when greatly outnumbered by other birds. Making them weaker makes their side weaker, which already is weak in number.

viral dove
long anvil
viral dove
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Well, if the role is from Town of Salem, it's safe to assume the devs have heard about it, and are either considering it or have rejected it as inappropriate for the game.

calm hare
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Owl has been suggested mutlipple times in one form or another. Usually as a neutral killing role that sees in the dark

long anvil
calm hare
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no worries, there are a few birds that get suggested often, owl and chicken both being common ones with varying abilities. most chicken roles have to do with running around after getting killed or some such

long anvil
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I hadn't thought of that with the chicken , sounds interesting to see a headless chicken

calm hare
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@gusty bone actually made up a drinking game for some of the common suggestions at one point that goes like this:
Fun Drinking Game
Take a shot of pond water when the following roles are suggested:

  • A Chicken that survives being killed
  • An Owl that can see with the lights off
  • A Swan (any ability)
  • A Penguin with Ice powers
  • An Assassin type role on the goose side (Ping me for this one, I wanna post the essay)
  • Any resurrection role
  • A role copy/pasted from town of us
long anvil
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I love that there's a game.

calm hare
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Well gaggle hired some of the modded among us devs as well

long anvil
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I'm not surprised that those have been commonly suggested, but had to shoot my shot!

I didn't know that, thats cool I did enjoy the modded version

void halo
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I find the "Fun" in that game's title suspect. It would be detrimental to one's health

steep granite
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Disappointed that the pond water game lacks Parrot

void halo
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If a good, fun, balanced role is suggested, the devs will pounce on it because hey, less work for them, right?

calm hare
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the problem being that most roles suggested don't take balance into account

viral dove
gusty bone
calm hare
gusty bone
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I’d like to add to the options:

  • A Neutral role with no clear win condition
  • A Separate bird that wins with the geese/ducks
  • literally just a pre-existing role but better
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Think of these as the Funky Bonus DLC Options dodo

long anvil
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Maybe add. No avain role suggestion to that drinking list

viral dove
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Only if the role suggested is specifically neutral. It could just be a job for duck or goose side.

fervent pasture
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this might have been said but
Bounty hunter - duck
Bounty hunter cant sabatoge and cant vent
their power is that they get a list of people to kill
if they kill all of the people THEMSELVES they win
if they kill someone not on their list they lose their list power and become a duck that can only kill

void halo
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So it starts as a Neutral with its own win condition, then switches to Duck if someone else kills one of their targets?

marsh cove
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add pelican to all maps

fervent pasture
worldly badge
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%role

beggar goose (in reference to beggar's sect, because there is already a medium role)

twice per game, and limited to once every meeting, you can check whether a role is alive.

details: similar to the assassin, the beggar can use their power during voting time. the selection screen shows all roles marked as ✓ or ?.
for all dodos, only the dodo role is shown. the game will show alive if at least 1 dodo is living.
if the role selected is either dead or isn't assigned to anyone, then the game shows they're dead.

void halo
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That could have potential

steep granite
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So in response, more common than two entries on the aforementioned list, I rest my case

viral dove
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A "bounty hunter" might actually work as a neutral concept, except it's basically hitman multiple times over, and we all know how hard it is to get your target as the hitman.

viral dove
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OK, here's a really out there idea but might be appropriate in some groups:
Dove: Wins if there hasn't been a kill for three times the length of the kill timer. Discussion time resets the timer and does not count down during it. (Although it could be fun if no one votes during a meeting while they are alive, they also win.)

quiet crest
sinful mortar
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%role

This is not exactly a role but a buff for another

The Snoop goose can enter the water of the jungle and the basement maps

viral dove
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By lurking goose, I guess you mean the Snoop?

civic linden
sinful mortar
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Is a snoop buff

civic linden
sonic prism
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%role Haunter(goose): When you get killed, you get 10 seconds to very slowly move your corpse before becoming a ghost. Useful to let your fellow geese know that the kill was recent if they see you move, and you are able to put yourself somewhere where you are more likely to be found, such as a corridor.

void halo
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How do you see that ability interacting with the body disposal areas on the Basement, or any future maps with that mechanic?

sonic prism
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I guess if the body's gone it won't work. Probably shouldn't work when professionally killed too

calm hare
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Role specific achievement for haunter "take yourself out" drag your own body to the furnace or river and jump in XD

sonic prism
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That's actually perfect lol

void halo
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"I'mma head out"

calm hare
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another interaction that would have to be considered is how this role would work with the gravedigger

sonic prism
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I guess the undertaker would override it because duck roles usually have higher priority. But maybe if you get dropped you can continue shuffling around with whatever time you had left when you got dragged.

viral dove
viral dove
dim oracle
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%role Spectre(goose) the spectre can fix two sabotages after they die or they can take control of someones body but only once and can use the persons role while they are in control of them like kill, vent, morph etc.

lavish craterBOT
calm hare
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Roles that disable another roles’ ability aren’t as good additions as roles that add abilities
It’s better to have a role with an ability that is an addition to the game than something that is a subtraction. First, disabling another player’s ability isn’t as fun as having your own. Secondly, it’s difficult to balance the feedback of a disabling ability. Let’s say hypothetically that you could block the ability of killers. Well, since it’s a game of social deduction, we can’t actually give you feedback or you’ll be instantly able to identify killers. Therefore, you have to get a cooldown when you use the ability over everyone, kill ability or not. At that point, you as the ‘disabler’ also don’t get any feedback about whether your ability’s working as intended. Thirdly, from the perspective of the player you’ve targeted, at its best you’ve made their role unfun. At worst, they’re going to think the game is glitched.
So overall, these aren’t good roles. It’s not a matter of game balance, just that they don’t really add fun gameplay.
** An extension of this are roles where you control another player’s actions. Really you’re just disabling their whole game at that point and the lack of agency for a player on the receiving end of that sucks.**

dim oracle
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it doesnt disable roles though

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and its only temporary

calm hare
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See the last section

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Also, No role has multiple powers
Venting and killing can be considered the most any role has, and that’s baked into what a vanilla duck can do. However, there won’t be any roles with several powers in Classic +. Maybe in a different game mode. Part of this is a concern of the balance of enjoyment in the game, and making a role too cool, and by comparison everything else less enjoyable. Another consideration would be that we intend for the game to be on mobile as well as pc/mac. So if your role requires several buttons, that might barely work on PC, but adding a few buttons in addition to the use/report/ability/vent buttons makes the UI very difficult to navigate on mobile.

civic linden
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%role

Shielder
If there is a bird around the shielder, the shield is activated on the bird. If there are no birds around the shielder, the shield will not be activated.Kill prevented by shield and is single-use.

calm hare
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Kill prevention roles are not going to happen

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"I would sooner delete GGD before adding in a kill stop/revival role" ~Shawn

civic linden
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Okay I'll be careful

dim oracle
calm hare
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And I'm simply pointing out that the role idea goes against the role document

lyric ibex
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New role time swaper (goose) this will do next: everyone will be moved 5 seconds back, if they vented or killed someone or if they just walked (it doesnt work to detective ability myabe not on tasks) all will be back

void halo
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No resurrections

lavish craterBOT
junior sapphire
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The Necromancer (Goose): He can see ghosts with the ability for like 5 seconds

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The Wizard (Duck): He can throw a fireball (40 sec cooldown) that stops when hurting something or someone, bodies will be burned and impossible to report

lavish craterBOT
viral dove
void halo
crisp heron
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%role Elephant bird (nuetral) vote (Players name) out to win your task are fake note: if there target dies he picks his new target with an ability

void halo
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Slightly different version of Executioner. In the AU mod, if the target dies, the Executioner basically becomes a Dodo and wins by being voted out themselves.

crisp heron
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Is the idea rejected?

void halo
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Not so much that it is rejected, but the devs are aware and have considered roles from AU mods. Generally, GGD makes new roles and AU mods copy GGD dodo

crisp heron
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The reason why I haven't considered the role to turn into a dodo is because of the already existing role dueling dodo

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I want the role to mash together well with the other roles

crisp heron
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Hazard (Duck) you can choose to undo a birds task they did you cannot vent your task are fake

NOTE: If they choose to undo a person who is not a goose they get a random list of task and they get a long cooldown, if they choose to undo a goose task that the goose already completed then it doesn't work

idle grotto
crisp heron
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Among us is not dead it just lost 90% of there players

void halo
viral dove
buoyant crow
fervent pasture
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again, this has definitely been though of before but
the sad goose
just a normal goose, with the ability to give people a deepened voice
if party duck and sad goose affect the same person, they will have a normal voice

undone canopy
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What happened to the morphling role? no matter what game i join i cant find it even if i host.

fervent pasture
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its only on specific maps

undone canopy
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ah i see, that makes sense. The first time i played morphling wasnt on the basement which i ususally play on

steep moth
carmine zinc
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Poltergeist(Poltergoose?)
Random ghost is given the role Poltergoose after they are dead, which allows them to do random sabotages! These sabotages also affect the killers 🖤👻

sonic prism
calm hare
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I mean it is a fun idea, I don't see them putting it in C+ though

carmine zinc
calm hare
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The problem i see, if they can set off the sabos, would that change the ducks' sabo cooldown timer?

void halo
calm hare
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honestly that poltergoose idea sounds fun as hell

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the problem with a dead goose who can activate sabos, is that would put the ducks at a HUGE disadvantage

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but walking around after you are dead and only talking to ducks would be fun as hell

sullen bough
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Helali

carmine zinc
sonic prism
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%role Stowaway(duck): Instead of venting, you can secretly hitch a ride on another player. Can be used to make a getaway on another duck, disappear from a stack or hop onto someone when they don't expect it such as during a task or when lights are off and kill them when the coast is clear.

sudden rampart
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Kind of like a reverse pelican

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I've considered various parasite-type ideas before, and there are a few that could work for sur

calm hare
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so a nacilep?

sudden rampart
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the initial idea was more like.. a very modified morphling

crisp heron
buoyant crow
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Then they see you disappear and assume you the invisible duck or stowaway duck and go ring the bell.

sonic prism
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That's why you should do it inconspicuously

buoyant crow
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Yeah, might work if you sneak by somebody on a task unnoticed.

open jackal
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pyro/firefight pyro can light someone on fire killing them in 13 sec, firefighter can put out the fire on players and save them(firefight always spawns

gusty bone
# open jackal pyro/firefight pyro can light someone on fire killing them in 13 sec, firefighte...

1: What team are they on, and if they're neutral, what's their win condition?
2: The Pyro's fire ability is extremely similar to the Demolitionist's, but instead of handing the bomb off to anyone, you have to hope the fire-fighter gets to you in time. This means it would either make the Demo obsolete, or be a worse version of the demo (if it were a duck role)
3: How does the fire work? Does the timer start the moment you press the button or is there a delay to give you enough time to escape? Are people on fire alerted to said fact and given a timer, or are they kept in the dark? If someone's on fire and a meeting is called, do they just immediately die like with the pelican, or does the timer pause like with the Demo? All of these are important questions because the answers are what determines whether this is a completely obsolete role that rats you out immediately, or an untraceable killer who's only weakness is that 1 role knows they exist and can stop a kill if they get lucky.

open jackal
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looking at its not the best idea

calm hare
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Have a read over this, it might help you come up with some great ideas

lavish craterBOT
cedar rain
# open jackal pyro/firefight pyro can light someone on fire killing them in 13 sec, firefighte...

Arsonist Bird (firehawk) You pour gasoline on a maximum of 3 people in a round, if a round lasts more then 1.5-2 mins they are ignited.
An ignited player has a flame on them that gets larger over time, they can remove the effect by, completing a task, Standing still for 10 seconds, or going to a location of water on the map.
If the ignited player goes close to someone they are also ignited.
Firehawks are able to be ignited.
If a player has been ignited for 15-30 seconds they die and leave no corpse(but a small pile of ash).
Fire Hawks are neutral, They win by being the sole survivor.
(Thought about it)
(Gas lats between 1 round and goes away after)

solar peak
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Fire Hawks? You mean Phoenixes?

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Sheesh. I'm just asking.

cedar rain
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it’s what they called an Australian bird that carried fire

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So I copy pasted it

solar peak
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Well, the internet doesn't always say the truth. Just saying.

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Not trying to start any fights here. I'm just trying to make sure things are cleared up.

cedar rain
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Still fits tho

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I just needed a name.

lavish craterBOT
#
Rule 3

RESPECT your other Geese (or Ducks)!

fiery acorn
solar peak
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Sorry Ducktor Who. I wasn't meaning to start any fights hear.

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I just wanted to make sure things are cleared up, cause my Autism makes things difficult for me at times.

fiery acorn
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you didn't William you asked a question. You didnt do anything wrong

solar peak
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Okay.

cedar rain
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I just don’t have a good compass. And I wasn’t intending to really say anything negative

elder goblet
solar peak
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Actually wait. Now that I think about it, how come you guys haven't made a Phoenix role yet?

void halo
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No resurrections

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Almost every suggestion with Phoenix involves resurrection

cedar rain
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Makes sense

solar peak
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Well, I was more thinking you could have Phoenix be like Arsonist in a way and use Fire magic whether upclose or far away.

#

You don't have to use the ressurection stuff on the Phoenix, if that feels unfair to you.

cedar rain
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But they never prob had a good idea on the fire

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And making it like a 2 part ability would make it a bit to controlled for the role

solar peak
cedar rain
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Or neutral.

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Like it just doesn’t help

solar peak
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Yeah, those too.

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Well, they can remove the ressurection thing from the Phoenix entirely and make it work different from how most games work.

cedar rain
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The only way it would work is the person revived couldn’t speak

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But then It ruins it for people

void halo
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No resurrection.

cedar rain
lavish craterBOT
solar peak
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So Phoenix is not allowed based on what the document said then.

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Darn.

cedar rain
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I mean

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Firehawk,
Pour gas on your other birds, and and wait for the light.

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c:

void halo
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A few of the key design elements include no resurrections (the resurrected player knows critical information, and can convey that even if prevented from speaking), kills have to work (no shields/kill prevention), and no seeing in the dark (weakens a key sabotage for the Ducks)

cedar rain
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Bird watcher

solar peak
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Bird Watcher doesn't necessarily see in the dark if the lights are sabotaged though.

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At least, if I recall correctly.

cedar rain
void halo
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In general, role ideas (usually for Owl) involve completely negating the light sabotage, or being able to 100% see during the sabotage

cedar rain
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I see why

solar peak
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So are Flamingos and Road Runners not allowed either? If you don't mind me asking.

cedar rain
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No he means the main ability of it

void halo
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It isn't so much the name of the bird, but how your idea has the game mechanics working

cedar rain
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Yep

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Wait…

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Dumb idea

void halo
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Presuming a Road Runner would have some type of speed boost, this becomes immediately verifiable (Hey I'm the RR, watch this! ZOOOM) and breaks deduction

solar peak
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Huh?

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So Road Runner could work then or no?

void halo
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No

solar peak
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Okay.

void halo
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Not with a speed boost mechanic in the Classic game mode

cedar rain
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(Idk what to call it)
Neutral. Killing.
Kills by doing a short dash and any one in the small dash is killed. (Like 0.75* the kill range) (uses kill cooldown. 1.5*)
Wins by being last living

solar peak
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Well, it's not Road Runner, I know that.

cedar rain
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My brain is making random ideas

calm hare
#

Also please keep this in mind:
We’re moving away from Among us rather than towards
Among Us is a great game, etc etc. Although we occupy the same genre, we strive to continue to be more and more different and distinct from Among Us. So when we add new roles or game modes, we do want to take it in directions that are not what Among Us or modded Among Us are headed to. We are aware of all the roles in TownofUs, TowlofPolus, TheOtherRoles, Submerged, etc. They’re great for those mods, but they exist on their own and have different concepts of balance and fun, which don’t necessarily match ours. The assassin was the last addition we had that could be found in some of those mods, and I very specifically thought GGD (and other real-time social deduction games with roles) needed it for game balance.

cedar rain
cedar rain
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When on fire in the task list it shows: Standstill, Go to water, or complete a task to be extinguished! (Timer)

solar peak
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I have a weird idea for a Duck role.

cedar rain
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Go ahead thats what this channel is for c:

solar peak
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Time Lord.

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It can slow down, speed up and freeze time.

cedar rain
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That kinda ruins some things..

solar peak
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So that's not allowed then. Guess that's good to know.

void halo
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It isn't particularly fun in the AU mods

cedar rain
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Changing something that people use to gage cooldowns ruins a skill point people develop as well

solar peak
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I'll try to think of more fair ideas.

cedar rain
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Wait

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Whats the role that eats people again.

void halo
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Vulture eats dead bodies, Pelican swallows live birds

solar peak
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I have a weird idea that might work, but I don't know.

cedar rain
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Don’t think this is a good idea but.
Survivor (neutral)
Wins with anygroup, only if they are alive at the end of the game.
(Ability)
Has a vest that they can use once per game, they can use it in voting menu to effect the next round. Using this ability takes your vote.
For the round that this is active if a role tries to kill this the player will not die, However the killer gets their cooldown back and it shows a vest icon for the killer. (Can be eaten by pelican still). The survivor isn’t given any info about the attack. (With ninja it doesn’t give it back if it’s a kill of another player, but survivor is given lower priority for kills by it)

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I know this is prob a no

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So

void halo
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No

cedar rain
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Yep.

solar peak
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Does anyone wanna hear my weird idea that might work?

cedar rain
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Depends the idea

calm hare
#

Neutrals have their own win conditions
All the neutral roles have their own specific win conditions and win alone. Special roles like the Lovers are still Geese and Ducks first, and retain those as their primary win conditions.

solar peak
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Parrot is my idea.

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They repeat a sentence from someone and if they get 3 people voted out from the sentence they repeat they win.

calm hare
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That would not be winning alone

cedar rain
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Nvm then sorry

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Read it wrong.

solar peak
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I guess no one likes my idea then.

cedar rain
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I don’t know what it can do

solar peak
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Parrot doesn't make sense to you guys?

mint gale
cedar rain
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Yeah and who are they voting out

mint gale
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It's not possible to program this to work properly

cedar rain
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but, if it was they had to get 2 people voted out

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and if one of them die from other means they become dodo

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wait

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thats just executioner from town of salem

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but 2 targets

solar peak
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Well, then I guess I give up on coming up for ideas.

cedar rain
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Just say it. Nobody will have to take it like an end all be all

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In fact I just look at ideas and see if they would be even near balanced

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And also look at other peoples comments

solar peak
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But I've tried all the ideas I could think of and you guys said no to everyone of the ideas.

cedar rain
void halo
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Role ideas aren't for the faint of heart. Anyone is free to submit ideas, and anyone else is free to comment on those ideas. Most ideas don't align with the principles set out in the role document

cedar rain
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Just make an Idea, if no oh well

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But if they are interested by it they would look into it.

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And see if they would like it

void halo
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Rest assured, the team would LOVE to borrow a good, balanced, FUN role idea because that means less work for them!

solar peak
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Well I'm not saying you guys are bad on this or anything. I'm more saying that I'm terrible at making fair ideas for the game to get more interesting. Maybe I shouldn't play Goose Goose Duck, if I can't think of a good enough idea to make the game more fun for everybody.

cedar rain
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Nobody should take this game overly serious

void halo
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You can enjoy the game and never have a role idea, the two are completely separate

cedar rain
#

After all it just drains you.

cedar rain
solar peak
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I guess.

cedar rain
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Sometimes you have an idea.

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Other people try to balance it and repost it. (Like I did for the fire neutral)

solar peak
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Well, Angel Goose definitely wouldn't be allowed, I know that.

calm hare
#

Also keep in mind, that some of us have been hanging out here for over a year now. When I review an idea it isn't to be mean, or to say your idea is dumb, just to get you to think how it would fit in the game regarding balance and whether it falls within the guidelines outlined in the Roles Document

solar peak
#

Alright.

cedar rain
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We all are trying to have fun really. Enjoying time with others and sharing ideas.

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Thats all this game and discord is.

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So enjoy yourself.

solar peak
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So far, Phoenix, Road Runner, Time Lord Duck and Parrot are turned down for being a role.

cedar rain
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Parrot is a intriguing concept

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But would be a horrible on a coding and gameplay end

solar peak
#

Wait, you guys said that Road Runner isn't allowed, but what about Flamingo?

calm hare
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it would depend on the role

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Even a road runner role could be possible provided it fits within the game mode

void halo
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Don't get hung up on the name of the role. It's the mechanics that mainly matter

cedar rain
cedar rain
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(Oops sorry for ping)

void halo
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It's fine to ping mods, don't ping Gaggle staff

solar peak
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I know the matter is on the mechanics for the role in the game. You just never mentioned how the mechanics of Flamingo would dair in GGD.

cedar rain
void halo
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I never saw any mechanics of a flamingo suggested

cedar rain
calm hare
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road runner has been suggested a few times and it is usually just "bird who run fast"

cedar rain
solar peak
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That was turned down, cause of the speed thing.

cedar rain
void halo
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No

cedar rain
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it would make more sense

void halo
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Speed boost = instant confirm

cedar rain
lavish craterBOT
calm hare
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not to mention, road runner would need to be a neutral role based on the name, and how would they win?

cedar rain
solar peak
#

That's true.

cedar rain
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Idea

elder goblet
#

True

void halo
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With bird names, if it isn't a Goose or a Duck, it is a Neutral and needs a unique win condition

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If it wins with Geese or Ducks, it typically needs a "job" name like Bodyguard, Spy, Mortician, etc

cedar rain
#

Road runner.
Neutral.
Has a dash attack on a 1.5* cooldown killing 2 people at max with it(straight line)
(2nd ability)
Toggle able speed boost, (when active 1st ability doesn’t charge)
Wins from being lone survivor

calm hare
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And that violates the roledocument

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No role has multiple powers
Venting and killing can be considered the most any role has, and that’s baked into what a vanilla duck can do. However, there won’t be any roles with several powers in Classic +. Maybe in a different game mode. Part of this is a concern of the balance of enjoyment in the game, and making a role too cool, and by comparison everything else less enjoyable. Another consideration would be that we intend for the game to be on mobile as well as pc/mac. So if your role requires several buttons, that might barely work on PC, but adding a few buttons in addition to the use/report/ability/vent buttons makes the UI very difficult to navigate on mobile.

cedar rain
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I am on mobile and I never had that issue

solar peak
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I might have a new role idea for neutral roles. I can explain how they could win.

cedar rain
calm hare
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Maybe you haven't had an issue, but can you vouch for every phone/brand that is currently playing GGD?

sudden rampart
# lavish crater

This document is the best basis as the very minimum requirements for whether a role can fit or not

solar peak
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Penguin.

calm hare
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Freezes people?

void halo
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BINGO!

sudden rampart
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If you have a role idea, I would suggest skimming through the document to see if it adheres to the various rules and design guidelines we have set forth

cedar rain
solar peak
sudden rampart
#

that's fair

cedar rain
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And Ideas breed Ideas

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so it works

solar peak
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So D20Dad, do you like my idea of Penguin for a neutral role?

void halo
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What's the mechanics? You just named a bird

cedar rain
solar peak
#

One of the mechanics is that the Penguin's power is that it can freeze things and people at a small radius with a medium length cool down and, if the freezing in that area isn't taken care of by using any bit of fire near the area, the Penguin wins.

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Does that sound good?

calm hare
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Yep D20, that's bingo

sudden rampart
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Since there are no other roles with a freeze power, that makes it an identifiable role

solar peak
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YAY!!!! I'm so happy to hear that.

sudden rampart
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Freezing people seems quite similar/identical in terms of game effect as just killing someone

calm hare
#

Also it would require some kind of fire mechanic to be put into the game

cedar rain
#

Adventurer

calm hare
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according to the last statistics i saw, penguin has been suggested 52 times as a role

solar peak
cedar rain
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I mean give the adventurer use for that

solar peak
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Oh, you mean like give Adventurer a bit of a buff?

calm hare
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that would be giving the adventurer 2 abilities

solar peak
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Oh, right.

cedar rain
solar peak
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I forgot that.

cedar rain
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and used its ability

calm hare
cedar rain
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And gotten value out of it

calm hare
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yep

void halo
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Not dying is pretty darn valuable

calm hare
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oh look, i just made the ducks waste their enviro kill

cedar rain
calm hare
#

then that happens

solar peak
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Well I'm glad that my role idea for a neutral role was given good insentive to be in the game.

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cedar rain
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Wait

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lavish craterBOT
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When will we get the next roles/maps/feature/cool stuff?

As soon as it's ready! The gaggle team develop quickly, and we release patches fairly often. We don't often give out firm dates because it's either going to be a lie if we're wrong, or it'll be a rushed product that might sacrifice quality for speed. This could translate into releasing something without sufficient testing and creating lots of bugs for the game.

If you find none of that explanation sufficient, as Herbert always says, today we are one day closer than yesterday.

calm hare
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I believe herbert was saying that if you are going to freeze someone, you might as well just kill them

cedar rain
void halo
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The bot doesn't understand humour

cedar rain
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but I don’t make good jokes so it won

solar peak
calm hare
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In a nutshell

void halo
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Usually

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As I said earlier, almost all role ideas fail to align with the minimum requirements set out in the document

calm hare
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As i said, penguin has been suggested over 50 times now, mostly with a freeze power

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and we haven't seen penguin in the game yet

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steep moth
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Chicken is usually suggest getting its head cut off with a second life (no)
Penguins usually suggested it can slide (no)
Ideas spark ideas. Take time to check out the document don't try to force anything, let it come naturally. fully think it out lots of birds out there just need something to match their personality while remaining fair and balanced and not break the game happy

cedar rain
calm hare
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anywho, i have audiobooks to edit, have fun storming the castle

cedar rain
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imma look at a bird encyclopedia brb

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Nvm my phone gonna dir

solar peak
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Just asking, cause I'm curious.

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I didn't suggest it having the capability to slide. Cause that makes it sound boring.

void halo
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Usually

solar peak
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Usually it's suggested to give Penguin the capability to slide, is that what you're saying?

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steep moth
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Yea I was saying usually that's what people suggest for the penguin. Freezing people might be better for a mini-game or something not so much classic

solar peak
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Oh.... I see....

void halo
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What's classic plus?

cedar rain
steep moth
cedar rain
solar peak
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Well, I tried....

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I thought I got an idea finally confirmed, but unfortunately that's not the case.

steep moth
cedar rain
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thats actually a good idea

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i think idk

steep moth
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See ideas bring on ideas

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Point of the channel

cedar rain
solar peak
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I suppose.

cedar rain
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This is us saying idea

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Blah blah blah. Devs: thats an idea

void halo
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All ideas are ideas

cedar rain
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But also blah blah blah

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the end

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Magik I know (thats not how it works at all)

solar peak
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Well, without the Ice map thing, Penguin won't be able to fit at all.

cedar rain
solar peak
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I was hoping that I found a role idea that would be able to work without not so many drawbacks, but apparently that's not the case.

cedar rain
void halo
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It's easy to have an idea. It's not easy to have a fun and balanced idea

cedar rain
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in fact an upside on its own makes them

cedar rain
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question d20

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How bad was my firehawk idea?

solar peak
cedar rain
void halo
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I'ma be honest, there's been like 500 messages in here since then and I don't recall, it probably isn't feasible for Classic

cedar rain
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Where is classic+ channel tho

void halo
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I don't know what classic + is

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There is only Classic and there has only ever been Classic

cedar rain
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NO

solar peak
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Can someone explain to D20 please?

cedar rain
solar peak
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I'm too sad about my ideas having failed so many times to do it myself.

cedar rain
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And more roles and stuff that you can change

void halo
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What could be better than Classic

cedar rain
void halo
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Bet

cedar rain
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Damn

void halo
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Oh?

cedar rain
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I am scared help me

solar peak
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Maybe the Gaggle crew or members can prove to D20 then.

void halo
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Hmmm

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I don't see any Classic Plus

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I think you're pranking me

solar peak
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You're probably either blind or just messing with us.

final dock
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There is no classic plus. Only Zuul.

solar peak
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I give up....

cedar rain
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aw

lavish craterBOT
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Rule 3

RESPECT your other Geese (or Ducks)!

cedar rain
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so

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i am out of ideas so Im going to find a large book about birds

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wait…

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something poped in my head

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But It’s prob a no

void halo
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Maybe think it out first

solar peak
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It feels like I should just give up on gaming as a whole to me, if I can't get any good ideas for games I like.

cedar rain
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Do what you like with your life

lavish craterBOT
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Rule 3

RESPECT your other Geese (or Ducks)!

void halo
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Rule 3 applies to yourself also

cedar rain
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But you aren’t the issue @solar peak, you think it’s you and you are working yourself up about it

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If you need a break take one

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nobody will take it wrongly

solar peak
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Alright....

cedar rain
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we all need breaks time and time again

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@solar peak Wait yeah you guys are right

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There is no classic +

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Its a mith made by sound smith

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From team defense fortnite 3d

void halo
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I knew you were pranking me

cedar rain
cedar rain
solar peak
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Webber, were you really pranking yourself about the Classic +?

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Cause I know Classic + does exist in the game.

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I've played it enough to see it.

void halo
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No such thing

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If there were, don't you think this channel would be "classic plus" role ideas?

solar peak
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Kitzah, is D20 being series right now?

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D20 is being kinda ridiculous right now and saying Classic + doesn't exist when I know it exists.

calm hare
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But classic + doesn't exist

solar peak
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Oh no.... Not you too....

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I give up.... I don't know what to do....

void halo
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You could open up the game and see that we're right happy

solar peak
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I've seen Classic + multiple times though.

void halo
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Allegedly

cedar rain
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Stop lying

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It’s a mith made by sound mith from team defense 3d fortress fortnite 2

solar peak
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You win guys.... Classic + is no longer there anymore....

void halo
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Never was

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There's only ever been Classic

cedar rain
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Classic

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only classic.

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And classic.

solar peak
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I think I should just leave the server, if I'm gonna make things worse.

cedar rain
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with classic.

cedar rain
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We knew it was there, but it’s gone now

solar peak
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D20 is acting serious in that Classic + was never there though.

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And, if they were joking, I can't tell that very well, cause of how my Autism is.

cedar rain
solar peak
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My Autism makes it hard for me to understand if people are being serious or sarcastic.

void halo
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Classic plus was removed in today's update. Classic functions how Classic Plus used to

cedar rain
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Correct.

solar peak
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Okay. I guess that's good to know now.

cedar rain
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As you should know anyways

solar peak
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I guess Flamingo wouldn't really work, cause Flamingos don't have a very well known thing about them that could work as a mechanic for them in GGD.

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I mean they have the capability to stand on one leg, but that's boring for GGD standards.

cedar rain
solar peak
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Huh?

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What do you mean?

cedar rain
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Nothing

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My brain is a mashed potato(rn)

solar peak
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Anyways, Owls aren't allowed, cause of how their super sight in the dark makes it so light sabotages can't do anything. And specific other birds like Road Runners and Phoenixes aren't allowed cause their main attributes are just not as fitting for the game.

cedar rain
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You can do something else with owl

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Just not the light stuff

solar peak
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But the managers want all sabotages to affect other players, if I recall.

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Right Kitzah?

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By the way, Ostrich and Emu are kinda the same as Road Runner, I guess, so Ostrich and Emu wouldn't be allowed as a role.

calm hare
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Owls do more than just see in the dark

solar peak
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I guess.

calm hare
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and you are disqualifying bird names, any bird name could do if there was a role created to fit the bird

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it isn't the names that are against the role document, it's the abilities people try to give the role

solar peak
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I know.

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I'm saying that Ostrich and Emu have the similar ability that Road Runners have, so they would have the same speed problem.

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That's what I meant by Ostrich and Emu not being allowed.

calm hare
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Then think outside the box and find things that they do that would be allowed

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simple

solar peak
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But the main abilities are the defining trait of the bird.

cedar rain
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You can find interesting birds

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Just look up _ bird

solar peak
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Actually I did think of a bird that could be used as a neutral.

cedar rain
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Imm play the game

solar peak
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It wasn't found in the list of birds I'm looking at, but I did realize it, that I don't think is used as a role as of now.

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Eagle.

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It could work similarly to Falcon, but the big difference is that it can vote out others and not have to skip.

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But it can only vote out the others, it can't vote itself.

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What do you guys think?

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D20 do you like my idea?

cedar rain
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But

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That gets rid of the main downside of falcon

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And makes no negative difference in hidden voting

calm hare
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Basically what webber said, it's falcon without the downside.

cedar rain
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Eagle sound more like “im a duck without being a duck”