🐣︱classic-role-ideas

[frigid plover]

or what if there goose who has ability against killer and when he turn on once per game the ability and duck killed him it killed the duck only

[zenith vortex]

what

[frigid plover]

something like sheriff but the ability change the goose to duck if he kill 2 geese

[zenith vortex]

Wouldn’t you just kill 2 geese and become duck

why wouldn’t you want to be a duck

And geese might vote you out as that role because you can be a threat

[frigid plover]

yea maybe bad idea hh

[lethal leaf]

%role
Inspector goose - You know when a sabotage task is done (Make a noise when it happen)

[green nacelle]

Thanks @lethal leaf for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[rain thunder]

oh so thats how u do it

%role
BlackKites/FireHawks (Neutral):

Once per game, when a Firehawk finishes all they're task, A Firehawk's 80 second cooldown will start , and once their cooldown is complete they can set 6 rooms on fire, and will start a Fire Sabotage. Once time runs out and the fire isnt extinguished the FireHawk Wins, if the Firehawk's Fire is extinguished, they're 80 second Cooldown will start again.

[green nacelle]

Thanks @rain thunder for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[rain thunder]

%role

Poisoned Goose:
When killed by a cannibal or when its body is eaten by a vulture, the Vulture/Cannibal Dies

[green nacelle]

Thanks @rain thunder for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[rain thunder]

i was thinking about an influencer duck that can divert all votes on a target but i think that role is too annoying

(they cant divert skip votes tho)

[lethal leaf]

%role
Controller duck - If you are the only one to vote someone, at the next meeting that person votes the same player you voted, (Or like silencer, in the game you click a button next to someone, this player is marked, then in the meeting that player vote who you voted (with colorblind votes))

[green nacelle]

Thanks @lethal leaf for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[rain thunder]

ooo thats good

[rain thunder]

%role

Bounty Hunter Goose:

Vote your target off the ship for the money (The target can only be a neutral or a goose)

[green nacelle]

Thanks @rain thunder for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[mint hollow]

Terrible idea of the day:

Jack of all Ducks

A duck who changes to a random Duck role at the end of every meeting. This can potentially allow multiple ducks with the same role.

[zenith vortex]

imagine getting spy and next meeting you become assassin

[covert zodiac]

%role

Egg Laying Goose:

Once per round, this goose can lay an egg that's invisible to everyone else. The first person that "steps" on the egg will have a baby, pet-like goose with them for the rest of the next round

[green nacelle]

Thanks @covert zodiac for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[covert zodiac]

just a random idea i wanted to share; it could be more polished

[rain thunder]

%role

Tracker Goose:

Once per round, you can track anyone and know where they are every 10 seconds in your map. You will not know if they have diededed.

[green nacelle]

Thanks @rain thunder for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[green nacelle]

Thanks @rain thunder for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[fervent pasture]

why is there no Vampire role expect for the trick or treat role i thought it would be very cool

[wind pine]

It's op so it needed it's own game mode?

[viral dove]

What would the effect of the pet goose be?

[covert zodiac]

the role would mostly be about knowing that a certain player has been somewhere specific; i didn't think about effects besides that but they could be added

[abstract raptor]

What if, the Egg Laying Goose, instead of just verifying that the goose was there, if a murderer was the one to step on them PRIOR to stepping on them, the baby will reveal an audible cry for a 1 to 2 second interval. or it could "latch on" to killer roles and then the moment they kill the baby starts crying alerting those in the area. Leaving the killer either to report extreamly quickly OR they can run and hope to get away from the groups that could gather. Not saying that it is full proof but it is a concept.

[shut turtle]

%role

Engineer goose:

Once per game, you may auto fix a sabotage.

[green nacelle]

Thanks @shut turtle for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[limber gale]

I was thinking if possible, it would be cool to buff the locksmith, allow the locksmith to unlock 1 door per round if ducks use door sabotage. I mean, its still a door & they are a locksmith.

[covert zodiac]

something like that could be interesting

[void halo]

I really like this idea, but it isn't so much a buff to the Locksmith as it is a nerf to the Doors sabotage and the tools the Ducks have at their disposal.

[shadow falcon]

disabler duck
side: duck
ability: the person they targeted will auto skip even if they voted someone
disadvantage: cannot vent and vote for themselves

even tho someone is OBSERVING the who vote themselves they can be a dodo acting as a disabler duck or a duck voting someone ALL the time and it was a goose(or a neutral) got voted out

[north pewter]

Idea is cool, but this has been suggested before and the devs don’t like it because it’s a way to confirm yourself

[fervent pasture]

I like the concept of this as it changes being able to do the “everyone vote for yourselves to see if there’s a falcon” trick as there’d be up to 3 people who couldn’t

[woven topaz]

neutral role: the troll, win condition getting a specific person voted out. one kill for framing, and the lights sabo as a secondary skill.

[jagged nebula]

yeah I'd like the "get someone voted" neutral role in the game too, not sure why the light sabo is needed tho

in ToS they turn into dodo if their target gets killed

[woven topaz]

Just a trolling gimmic, idk the single kill would be enough

[shadow falcon]

yes that's the reason why I dont like that trick...I have seen a lot of times in public and they're ruining the falcon survival

[limpid lion]

%role

Nightmare Duck

Once per game: During voting phase can double votes of ducks and show votes of the ducks to ducks

[green nacelle]

Thanks @limpid lion for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[clever wave]

A chicken role that auto reports any body they come across and can't be killed first in the game

[gusty bone]

How it win?
and what happens if someone tries to kill it first?

[gusty bone]

Id assume mimic included

[clever wave]

It's a regular goose role not neutral, and the kill button just doesnt work like if a duck tries to kill a duck

[gusty bone]

So you have a role that instantly reports bodies (a hard counter to mortician, a role on your side), is named after a different bird even though it’s on the geese team, and has a chance of instantly revealing itself to the ducks if killed first
PS, friendly fire (ducks can kill other ducks) is automatically on and is one of the required settings for the mimic to be allowed

It’s not unworkable, but it has too many negatives and is confusingly named

[steep granite]

roles be like: Chicken Penguin Owl role that can snipe from anywhere on the map

[gusty bone]

My suggestion for a role like that would be a line that leads from the kill to you, and you need a line of sight

[fluid current]

I think that as it stands, mortician is only useful in very specific scenarios, I think that he should have a little buff and make it so his ability is used during meetings

[wind pine]

What you vote someone and they get ejected you know if they were goose/neutral/duck ?

[manic vapor]

Or simply if they voted for somebody and that player is voted out they learn the role of that player

[wind pine]

That might be too overpowered

[manic vapor]

Yeah

[sudden rampart]

i dont know that this is too overpowered but

you're contributing to killing someone, and most of the time it's a goose

so most of the time, to get any information, you have to be losing, and the information is just that you did a bad thing

[manic vapor]

Fair

[fading drum]

Yeah getting info like that takes out the ✨deduction✨

Realistically you don’t want the mortician to be stronger than it is because that sucks for people lying about their role or just figuring things out for themselves in general

[whole widget]

I do feel it needs a rework, because the meta for people is to insta-report bodies when they find them to get the correct timing of the kill, and because they'd be suspicious if they do not insta report, which heavily counters a Mortician's playstyle before they can utilize their ability

But it shouldn't be too strong yeah

[sudden rampart]

im not quite convinced

if the goose team wants the mortician to use their ability they'll stop

if not, they won't

[steep granite]

Solo duck, doesn't know who the other ducks are, only enabled if there are 3 🦆 and mimic (could have a buff of cooldown or whatever)

[sudden rampart]

so like.. a singular blind duck, rather than blind ducks as an option?

[steep granite]

Yes

But he would have a boost because of it

[burnt valley]

retributionist (goose):
they can guess ducks, falcon, dodo, and pigeon
(they cant kill and vent)

[dusty hornet]

a Penguin role they have the Ability to freeze people made a game And not like to Silenter They can freeze somebody during the game goose

[rain thunder]

%role
Team: Neutral
Butcherbird/Swooping Bird (another attempt on this bird again XD)

A Butcherbird can TP and AUTOKILLS anyone they pick in a Medium size range, they will be Invisible for 4 seconds to run away, after the 4 seconds the Butcherbird will not be invisible.

(A Butcherbird can only kill once per round, so they will have to wait after a round to kill again)
(I know, this encourages grouping up, but if pigeon is on that problem is dealt with)

[green nacelle]

Thanks @rain thunder for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[north pewter]

What’s the win condition?

[gusty bone]

Hate to say it, but Pigeon alone isn’t enough to discourage grouping, even without a role that gets hard countered by the strat
People tend to forget about us

Remember, people always (and should) prioritize killers first, others second

[rigid dawn]

%role
Owl role Since owls are nocturnal, they could continue to see and wouldn’t lose sight when lights go out which would help spot ducks.
Eagle role Similar to the technician and detective role, a duck would appear red for a short period after they have killed and if the eagle happens to have passed them they can point it out.
I think these would be great neutral or geese roles.
From Apple Review Whittakerdw

[green nacelle]

Thanks @rigid dawn for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[gusty bone]

maybe it's on the falcon team, like it wins with the falcon if there is is one?

[whole widget]

I like those two suggestions

[lunar nacelle]

%role
~ duct duck?
~ a duck who’s ability is to gas(?) the vents; so if a pigeon or a mechanic is in the vent the gas ability would either auto pop them out of the vent -or- if once the ability is used the (non duck) venting roles would have 10 secs or so to leave vent or they die; the gassing would act like a sab where venters are unable/shouldn’t re enter vent for 1 min/x amount of time. i think it should be able to be used once per round, but could be used once per game if ppl think roles too strong.
~ i’ve been sitting on this idea for awhile since it’s really only useful for killing at most two roles, however i feel like this would be more useful than the cannibal role as that only helps with a single kill. when i’m a duck i veryyyy rarely use the vents as i’m too nervous of potentially being caught venting and this would be a great way to counter act that as well as get venters out of the vent occasionally. i’ve gotten really good feedback on the role with many people have the same concerns with venters chilling in vents entire game.

[green nacelle]

Thanks @lunar nacelle for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[sturdy heath]

Had anyone thought of a role that can copy another role if they guess correctly,like assassin, but without killing the target

[fading drum]

Yes but that would destroy a lot of deduction I think. If a duck copied the role of the dodo that’s basically an entire team change. They could kill, vent, turn into the dodo and win the game when voted out.

[sturdy heath]

I don’t think the role would be a duck role. It would more likely be a neutral role

And to make things fair, it can’t turn into a dodo or falcon, but it can turn into any other role, and that roles is also applied at the end of the meeting

[wind pine]

I think it would be too op if they could turn Into a duck

[void halo]

This used to come up often enough that the HelpBot had a command for it. Basically any role that enables team switching is not valid for Classic+

[sturdy heath]

Ok thank you for the clarification

[shadow falcon]

what if they're a duck

[rain thunder]

the only one left alive (like falcon)

[rain thunder]

hmm...i dont really say pigeons are being forgotten, people call meetings to Pigeon reset everytime, it happens alot in lobbies. but i do agree with you.

[north pewter]

Eh, just sounds like he’ll get 3 auto kills then die or kill the whole lobby before anybody notices, both are not fun outcomes

[lunar nacelle]

i said it wouldn’t effect the ducks, the ducks would stay in the vents. so i guess in a way it could also hurt the ducks; which is cool.

[brisk oasis]

Duck role that reveals every player you killed role or the first person you kill @fading drum @void halo

[fading drum]

So the spy duck but different?

[brisk oasis]

Better idea go to general ideas

[fickle quest]

Lovers knowing each other when they spawn

[midnight forum]

%role
Diffuser Goose - able to undo Sabotages once they have been used, so the Ducks/dead ducks have to re activate them to reuse them.

[fickle quest]

I feel that would be abused, like make it a one use thing

[rich thicket]

niekto slovak cech zahrat?

[midnight forum]

no more then dead ducks being able to sabotage, the diffuser runs a risk of getting killed going back to a "task" where the sabo was done.

[sudden rampart]

#lfg-czechandslovak

[lethal leaf]

%role
Alarm duck - Similiar to silencer, you can press a button next to a player, then the next body you report, that player you selected will report (counter of canadian, mortician (With people who stay close to the body and wait him), medium and vulture (know who is duck))

[green nacelle]

Thanks @lethal leaf for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[gusty bone]

My suggestions:
1: unlocked sabotages are only able to be defused after a a meeting (so the defuser doesn’t immediately know when sabbos are unlocked)
2: the defuser has to go to the sabotage task to defuse it (now making it a possible Claim role for Ducks)

[fervent pasture]

Warlock duck:can curse a player

[manic vapor]

What would a curse do

[wind pine]

Make that player have to skip?

[fervent pasture]

yes

[wind pine]

( Achoo!

[gusty bone]

%role
Morphling Variant: the Disco Duck
Can add up to 4 players to its VIP list (works similar to Morphling)
Can’t see the VIP list
If someone dies they get taken off the VIP list at the next meeting

Now the fun part:
Starting with itself, the Disco Duck cycles it’s appearance to each person on the VIP list (20 seconds for each form)
The Disco Duck can not vent while appearing as someone else, and will be kicked out of a vent if they change from themself to someone else
After it cycles once, it goes back to it’s original appearance and is able to vent again for the rest of the round

(Might not work in Classic+ but could be really fun in classic+ rejects)

[green nacelle]

Thanks @gusty bone for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[shadow falcon]

%role
duck burglar
ability: can steal something from the body just like mortican knows how the body (ofc knows the dead roles) and plant a fake item up the bodies so when the mortician checks the body the role of the dead person mortican check will be fake and randomize either dodo vulture falcon or sheriff or others and the chaos may occur

[green nacelle]

Thanks @shadow falcon for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[sudden rampart]

people are complaining about morticians not finding bodies enough

i dont think adding a specific role that does nothing but counter the mortician will help him along

[shadow falcon]

ok

[fervent pasture]

The should be Something similar to the Lawyer in Among us the Other roles mod :)

[gusty bone]

%role
Puppeteer Duck
“You can control the body of one person you killed. That person speaks for you now”
Can possess one body they recently killed
They swap themselves and the dead body for the rest of the game
The player the body belonged to now wins with the ducks instead of their normal faction
The Puppeteer can’t talk after possessing someone, instead the possessed player must speak for them in any and all chatting
If the puppeteers body is reported, the puppeteer dies

[green nacelle]

Thanks @gusty bone for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[shadow falcon]

ooooooo

you mean the dead body will show in the chat that he is a dead person or a puppeteer will show themselves as a dead person instead of living

[gusty bone]

Basically, the puppeteer does the actions and voting while appearing as the dead player (the puppeteers body now taking their place as the dead body), but the dead player is the one who has to talk for them during meetings/proximity while.

[shadow falcon]

that's a good idea

with a person that is cleared

[gusty bone]

Yeah, the idea being that there’s gonna be a slight disconnect in what they’re saying (changing sides, having to justify actions you may not of done yourself, or trying to sound like your in control with proxy on)

[shadow falcon]

but what happen to puppeteer after he did something to the body?

[steep granite]

thats a question for another day,,,,

[hearty dock]

engineer- the goose engineer gathers parts around the map to make its self armor so that it has two lives

[steep granite]

it would know who killed him

that seems very op

[fervent pasture]

the medium should see where to ghosts were

[steep granite]

no

that was an intentional debuff

its not a bad idea but that was the medium which is derived from the original #💡︱general-ideas message

[wind pine]

It seems a bit op so what about this - Puppeteer - Duck - when they find a body they can then make themself look like the dead body, and their character now replacing the dead body However if the ducks " dead " body is reported he dies BC he's thrown into space/lake?

[gusty bone]

ooh, ill add that clause, could add some interesting strategies

[wind pine]

Yeah so there's more risk

[midnight forum]

did anyone bring up the idea of the Locksmith possibly being able to open a sabotage door.

[midnight forum]

1. being able to undo a Sabotage is after they have been used, not just activating it. so if lights go off, then the Diffuser goose can go to the task (wires) and diffuse it. so if the ducks want to do it again they have to go back and redo the activation.

[gusty bone]

Ah alr makes sense

[wind pine]

Less op yeah

[empty brook]

Maybe this was suggested but a claymore duck. He drops a claymore maybe one a round or game. And when someone gets close to it a detonation happens and it kills all close birds!

[void halo]

Hmmm, I think Demolitionist Duck has a better ring to it, but good idea!

[sudden rampart]

!trapper

i guess i deleted the bot reply

[sudden rampart]

over the course of the game many people have suggested certain trapper roles

none of the maps really facilitate that, and there are various spots in multiple maps where you could cut off a whole area with a 'mine'

[empty brook]

I gotcha. Just a thought :). Not that it wouldn’t be bad to cut off a whole part area once per game. Could be up killing your duck buddies. Heheheh

[sudden rampart]

well.. i mean it would just break the game

or force a goose to sacrifice themselves?

unless the mine was invisible

and then someone just randomly suddenly dies

which isn't very fun for them either

[empty brook]

Yeah true enough

[night tendon]

%role Vagabird
Neutral
Win: By being a survivor.
Description: Vagabird has no required tasks, etc. They win if all ducks or geese are eliminated. If they find a body, they can't report, but can harvest resources from them. They can't help with sabotages, they can't call emergency meetings, view cams / vitals. They just scavenge from the deceased and essentially can win by doing nothing but surviving one of the other teams.

[green nacelle]

Thanks @night tendon for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[shadow falcon]

so...what's how exactly can he win?

[night tendon]

If either ducks or geese get eliminated, if the vagabird is still alive, they win by default.

They could theoretically win by doing nothing. (But they get nothing if they don't go and scavenge anything either).

Their sole purpose is to gather resources (either from the deceased) or from searching common task areas.

And just survive.

So, basically they are ignored in the determination of whether geese or ducks win. If they are still alive at the end of the match, they win (as they survived the round and they net the profits from that + what they gathered during the match).

But they have no job. They are just... there.

[zenith vortex]

Do the ducks or geese wins too? Or just that bird? If so that’s not gonna be a fun role to deal with

[night tendon]

It'd win solo.

(As is the case with other neutral roles)

[limber gale]

Medic/emt goose - This goose can revive 1 dead person within the same round.

[steep granite]

No, no bringing dead people back

[shadow falcon]

unless classic-rejects here

[empty basin]

%role
Captain penguin
This role could vote 2 players not 2 times
Tasks that you need to wait will be faster he will use flashlight when light went off
This role could see players on radar but its limited times
Edit 1: He's slow

[green nacelle]

Thanks @empty basin for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[shadow falcon]

that'll be easy for the geese and ducks to confirm captain penguin

[fluid current]

Super fan
Type=goose
Basically a normal goose but it gets assigned a target, if there target is on screen when the target uses there ability, the super fan gets a coin bonus, the target gets its ability cooldown reset (if applicable) and you get a new target

[steep granite]

Seems a bit strong, care to elaborate what you mean exactly?

[wind pine]

From what I know if the superfans target is on their screen and they see them kill/ detect or ect they get coin bonus

I don't know if it counts for sabos though or whatnot

[sturdy heath]

Which geese can become targets, and how would the ability recharge work? I’m not sure that it’s a great idea to have ability recharge

Also, can ducks become targets?

%role Teleporter Duck
Can kill, but instead of venting: can teleport to any area of the map(inbounds)
Instead of doors sabotages , can activate a mega teleport, which teleports everyone to random locations.

[green nacelle]

Thanks @sturdy heath for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[steep granite]

Have you ever wanted to make an original name for a new role? Here are Role names with first letter that aren't overused:

Emu / Eagle
Ituri Batis
Jay
Kauai O’o / Kiwi
Nuthatch
Owl
Quetzalcoatl
Robin
Umbrellabird
Wattlebird
Xeme
Yellowbill
Zapata Wren

None of these are the initials of an existing role

[steep granite]

Do Have to specify that these are neutral roles

[green nacelle]

Thanks @fervent pasture for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[fervent pasture]

%role
role:amnesiac
team:neutral
ability:copy a dead bird’s role(for example:green is falcon and purple is amnesiac and purple copied green,then purple will also be a falcon)

[green nacelle]

Thanks @fervent pasture for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[zenith vortex]

%role Chicken
Team: depends (neutral at first)
As this role, you can use your ability to set someone as your “mother”
You will then immediately know what role they are, and now you will win with them or their team (note: the chosen player will not know that you’ve chosen them, so they might still accidentally harm you)
If the mother dies, you inherits their ability (if their ability has limited use, and your mother used it, you won’t be able to activate the ability i.e vigilante, cannibal, assassin…)
You also get one “mini ability” when your mother is alive
If your mother is a…
Goose: you don’t get anything, you’re just goose
Duck: you can kill one person per round, and can do sabotasks (but not the sabotage itself)
Vulture: you can eat one body, and it will count towards the bodies the vulture has eaten (you don’t get arrows pointing to the bodies tho)
Dodo: nothing, just try to get them voted out lmao
Falcon: the falcon knows who you are (basically mean that they won’t accidentally kill you) and you don’t count toward the amount of players for falcon victory (aka if there are 4 people alive and you are one of them the falcon “sabotage” will still go off)
This role is based off of how some birds (including chicken) imprint, which is basically accepting the first thing they see as their parent (though in this case you can choose who). Ducklings are more known for this but it doesn’t make sense to put it here lmao

[green nacelle]

Thanks @zenith vortex for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[zenith vortex]

And holy crap that is a text wall i didnt even realize

[green nacelle]

Thanks @hazy compass for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[lofty current]

i have a role for classic plus

it is called the glitch

a neutral role

if you are the glitch

you can kill both ducks and goose

and has two ability

hacker and mimic

hacker if you are near to a person if you tap hacker there buttons won't work even the duck or the goose have role that won't work either

mimic

you could shapeshift into both ducks and goose

[steep granite]

That is so OP

[lofty current]

it is from among us town of us

mod

really op

[steep granite]

If it's from an Among us mod it's probably already been considered

[lofty current]

yea it has it

arsonist is like pigeon in goose goose duck

infects everyone in a round

i hope that the glitch would be added

[steep granite]

Pretty sure it wouldn't work with the current meta of the game, maybe that's the kind of role that would fit in Classic Rejects (name is for unbalanced fun roles)

But, what is the win condition

[lofty current]

oh

if you are last player standing

you win

[steep granite]

so it can also kill?

[lofty current]

yea

[steep granite]

That is like, a falcon with super abilities and no downsides

[lofty current]

but the hacker and mimic should have cooldown

[steep granite]

you need disadvantages

that role takes the ability from the morphling, falcon and detective

it would be just unstoppable

[lofty current]

yea

if both falcon and glitch are there you have to find each other and kill as fast as you can

to win

only 1 can win

[sturdy heath]

I do think that glitch is too op. I don’t see a counter to glitch at all

[sharp trail]

How about a Doctor role, a goose that can see all the goose roles and bring one person back to life each game. That's my suggestion. Maybe already suggested?

[steep granite]

Yes it has, many time but that's fine

The devs don't want any roles that bring people back grom the dead

We also have to consider that knowing every goose role and resurrection is like a medium mortician mashup

[stray breach]

%role Poisoner Duck: This Duck has the ability to poison one body per game. This power would function like the Cannibal Duck's ability, replacing the kill button when near a body. This means the Poisoner Duck can hide on Mallard Manor and use vents/sewers when on other maps. It takes 1-3 seconds for the power to work, but once the poison is successfully applied the first player who interacts with the body in any way (i.e. reporting it, eating it, or Morticianing it?) will be instantly killed.

[green nacelle]

Thanks @stray breach for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[sturdy heath]

Can poisoner duck’s poison kill a duck who tries to report a body?

[stray breach]

I would say yes, though the circumstances where a Duck would report a body like that are usually quite rare. The Poisoner Duck also needs to actively poison the body for it to work, so killing a Canadian Goose wouldn't immediately kill you or something like that. Perhaps there could be a simple icon above the body that only Ducks can see to prevent accidental team kills from happening.

[sturdy heath]

Honestly, poisoner duck doesn’t have a counter. I can’t see if a body is poisoned if I am a goose, and that is a free kill that ducks can get, especially if ducks see that a body is poisoned. It’s a good idea, but again, I don’t see a counter for it.

[stray breach]

Everything is subject to change; it was only a suggestion. Maybe instead of Mortician dying to it they can see if the body is poisoned just like the Ducks can, or perhaps even remove the poison effect themselves? Or maybe Ducks can't see that the body is poisoned at all, making it risky for everyone? Using the ability also forces the Poisoner Duck to stand near a dead body for a rather long time (assuming the 3-second activation similar to Mortician), which could easily get them caught in the act.

[gusty bone]

My idea of a counter is that if a mortician inspects the body, instead of dying they learn that it was poisoned and how long it’s been poisoned for

[lethal leaf]

%role
I have 3 variations for this role (an anti-meetings role)
Toucan bird (neutral role) If you receive 15 votes (12 players), you win (if you get it when you get voted out or dodo get voted out, you don't win), you can vote yourserf (many meetings means you can get it easily)

Toucan bird If you go to the prison 2 times (12 players), you win

Toucan bird If the bell/button is called 5 times (16 players), you win

[green nacelle]

Thanks @lethal leaf for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[sturdy heath]

1. 15 votes total means that you are just voting yourself and hoping you don’t die from it.
   2.going to jail is pretty hard to do(unless you have snitch). It makes the role much harder to win in.
2. Meetings can be used as counters to pigeon. I always call one when the round is going on too long for a pigeon reset. Having a limit won’t make it fun for other players IMO

[fervent pasture]

Falcon existed

[sudden rampart]

stan, i just wanted you to know, i do read every one of your ideas

[hallow shuttle]

thoughts on a buff to mortician. maybe they can they get a delayed blue arrow--like vulture or activate on a timer like medium?

[fluid current]

Anything like that and its basically medium+

I’ve advocated for it to select a dead person in the meetings

[rain thunder]

Poisoned Geese (Geese Team)-

Once per round, you can put poison on yourself, and when someone attacks you (while poisoned) the killer will die (You will also die, basically a sacrifice), to make Poisoned Geese less op, If you poisoned yourself and you dont die after 30 seconds, you die.

[wind pine]

Or maybe just like have them loose their ability to sabotage?

[rain thunder]

sabotages are Ducks tools to win, it would be bad for them if sabotages are gone

[green nacelle]

Thanks @rain thunder for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[rain thunder]

Interrogator Duck (Duck Team)-

Interrogator Duck can know the Jailed Goose role once per round,
If there are two jailed/more they will only know the role of 1 of them.

[shadow falcon]

"QUACK QUACK QUACK"
"h-honk?"
"QUACK QUACK"
"HONK HONK HONK HONK"
"QUACK!"

the greatest Interrogation in the world

[rain thunder]

"QUACK QUACK?"
"HONK HONK!"
"QUACK HONK HONK!?"
"QUACK!!"

[shadow falcon]

"quack?"

[rain thunder]

"Honk."

[shadow falcon]

"quack quack"
Interrogator Duck has left and he knew this goose is a mimic

[rain thunder]

"Honk Honk"
Interrogator Duck has told Assassin Duck through a secret code word

i need to think of something...more unique >:L

[rain thunder]

What do you think are problems in GGD Games, other than Grouping

[shadow falcon]

idk

[rain thunder]

%role

Poisoned Geese (Geese Team)-

Once per round, you can put poison on yourself, and when someone attacks you (while poisoned) the killer will die (You will also die, basically a sacrifice), to make Poisoned Geese less op, If you poisoned yourself and you dont die after 30 seconds, you die.
It would also make ur color slightly green (meaning ur poisoned, only shows to Ducks)

[green nacelle]

Thanks @rain thunder for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[fervent pasture]

Crow neutral
Win condition : make sure the ducks win
Basically a normal goose that tries to find out and help the ducks
This is mostly for ppl that can actually play mimic and almost never get that role
Also the assassin should be able to shoot the crow for tactic plays

[rain thunder]

If the Ducks win..does that make Crow win too?

[fervent pasture]

Well what would the other way be for a crow to win?
Just win with the ducks

[shadow falcon]

shouldnt the crow steal ducks win

[rain thunder]

Neutrals are 1 person teams tho.......

If im correct.......Neutrals have their own specific win conditions and win alone

according to the doc..

[rain thunder]

Im not sure about Winning WITH the ducks, since Neutrals Win Alone

[fervent pasture]

Does that mean that it should always stay the same there are for sure a lot of ppl that thought that neutrals can win with the geese or ducks or maybe another neutral

[rain thunder]

Well im only going according to the Document that they made.

[rain thunder]

But i do think it will stay as Neutrals win alone.

[fervent pasture]

Well didn’t see that but sure it would be an ez great role that could completely change the game geese will try to act like the crow and the ducks will have to find out who it is ignore them or spy

[fervent pasture]

It was meant for geese to act like crows and “team up” with ducks and expose them

[rain thunder]

Everyone would just be claiming Crow

[fervent pasture]

U can’t claim it in meeting since the vigi or sheriff will kill u to make sure ur not dodo and trust me almost no one would try this since it’s just like a goose will try to be the most annoying dodo to get the assassin out almost never seen that

[rain thunder]

You do know that we are talking about the role's win condition, and i do not understand what u just said

[fervent pasture]

Just leave it it was meant to change the games a lot but it doesn’t work with those rules

[rain thunder]

ok then. (Once again, im just basing on the Document they made)

btw, you couldve just changed the win condition but ok-

[tacit jolt]

My Opinion on each idea... Might not hold weight but I thought Id comment on a few ideas.

Interrogator Duck Opin: sounds like a buffed version of Spy and Snitch put together. Personally I think the Snitch could be better if people lasted in jail longer (Cause Theyre let out pretty fast in general.) But I understand they do that because people in jail will get upset. But I think that makes a good time out box.

Crow Opin: Personally I dont mind a goose winning with the ducks. But in this way it doesnt make much sense. Personally I suggested a Politician edit that if he's voted out he wins along side whoever else wins. His victory isnt like a Dodo's then cause he doesnt cause the game to stop. He just wins along side whoever else wins.

Poisoner Duck Opin: So you get a high chance of killing 2 Geese for 1 kill. No offence but that sounds super OP. That would become the top Duck role yet. Honestly being simplistic is best. I do like part of the role. The kill and it takes some time before they die. Thats kinda what the Vampire from Trick Or Treat is. And honestly that isnt too bad. But once you go into the second half you mentioned it becomes way to OP in my opinion.

Toucan Opin: It sounds like a role that wins just by people doing things. You dont really do much to win. :/ Honestly I think itd be a bad role in general (No offence) Cause your goal is to ring bells? And get the snitch to vote you or hope to tie votes. Honestly the Politician already tries to balance votes and using that role is rather rare.

[rain thunder]

What do you mean by killing 2 Geese? A Poisoned geese can kill 1 only?

[rain thunder]

Also, Its Poisoner Goose, not Poisoner Duck XD

i think you didnt read correctly XD

Poisoner Goose is just a role to have Ducks more Cautious on who they kill, when theres a task timer, or more observant on every goose they pass by...Since one of them might have a green tint on them

For goose, this role is just being smart and know when to use this wisely, or else in 30 seconds they die to they're own foolery.

the role in a few sentences is just:
Poison yourself and kill ducks when they kill you
(Basically Canadian but a More deadly consequence)

[sharp trail]

Role idea: Priest, who has the ability to request everyone declare their roles, but the Priest is then silenced until everyone completes their tasks (only the priest gets the info). Ducks will obviously lie, but the priest can then determine potential lies. Would intro lots of meeting chaos and discussion.

[steep granite]

When every goose completes their tasks the game ends, maybe a set ammount of tasks instead?

[sharp trail]

Maybe until the Priest finishes their own tasks?

[steep granite]

that could work, perhaps

but the ability of knowing every role is very strong

[sharp trail]

Seems like a lot of games involve people saying their roles, but there's so much over-talking and limited time. A structured role confession could be interesting. Ducks are obviously going to lie. It gives lots of potential combinations depend on whether people lie in their confession, maybe they get a benefit or negative of some kind.

[steep granite]

wait so you mean, it pulls up a menu that people can click as their role?

So like a role confession assasin?

[sharp trail]

Yeah only the Priest is told and gets to see the info.

[steep granite]

wouldn't it be a fun public info poll?

[sharp trail]

Public would maybe make it less useful and you don't want to help ducks.

[rain thunder]

doesnt this ruin the social deduction part?

[steep granite]

kinda but eh, it could be a classic reject

[rain thunder]

Social deduction is getting info by talking

so i think this will get rejected :C

%role

Priest Goose (Goose Team)

You can talk with 1 person privately in the meeting per round.

Ability:
Use your ability on a person before the meeting, and when a meeting is called u can choose to talk to the person you used the ability on.
-You name doesn't show when talking privately.
-Cooldown: 20 seconds
-You are immune to silencers
-You can only talk privately using chat
-When a body is called you cannot talk privately

This role is good for asking a Goose for their role without exposing their role to the Assassin.

[green nacelle]

Thanks @rain thunder for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[sharp trail]

The issue I was thinking about was during a meeting when people go, "Well, the assasin is gone, what's everyone's role?" This is a multi-user thing with no structure. Who goes first? Do people talk over each other? It depends what people say and when. If it's vote, people can be forced to say a role to the Priest in confidence. Nobody else learns of this, except for the Priest, and would ideally only be useful near the end of the game. There's already a meta lawyer role which is similar, for the Canadian.

[rain thunder]

What do u mean by 'Who goes first?

and also, saying "Well, Assassin is dead" is just a guess, Nobody really knows if assassin is dead

[sharp trail]

I mean if two people are going to lie and say they're not their role, and one person lies first, then second and third people won't say that role. So it depends on who is talking first.

[sturdy heath]

Knowing the roles of players,even with people lying, is just too strong. There is no way you can balance that, even silencing the priest duck itself. Every single person is just going to lie, as they don’t know who the priest duck is, and the priest goose can help the assassin or state roles that people don’t want to mention. It’s really not worth IMO

[supple lantern]

priest just sounds like a complicated weak spy

I think it'd be funny if we had a duck that could tag one person each round... the next time that target uses an ability it is altered.. Vig shot doesn't go off, Sheriff only kills themself when shooting, Detective marks themself with Horns, Pigeon farts instead of coughing, Mortician reads a dead body as Mortician, Technician see's the entire map in red when a sab occurs, Vulture makes their next body explode instead of be eaten, Birdwatcher everything outside of a radius is lit up but they are covered in pure darkness

trying to suggest ones with a useable ability - tech just sounded funny -- mechanic enters their next vent and gets thrown out? this duck is something that would be noticeable like silencer... unless you are sheriff you might know who tagged you. maybe it only goes into effect after next meeting

[tacit jolt]

Shoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooomp- No I meant Poison Duck. AlphaHydri — 01/12/2022- Poison Duck. I mustve missed your Poison Goose.

It was right before yours I believe so I thought theyre connected. And read Alpha's

[rain thunder]

OHH ok ok

i didnt backread too far so i thought u were talking to me

[tacit jolt]

I back read a bit. I saw Poison mentioned for a while so I scrolled back to where it was first mentioned. I over shot yours by mistake.

%role

A role Edit.

Politician- When voted out he wins along side whoever wins as well. Getting that sweet Politician feel. And while classified as a goose. It technically could win with anyone as long as voted out. And other then Dodo which stops that game. He wins along-side others who won as well. So it can be more of a side objective instead of a main one.

[green nacelle]

Thanks @tacit jolt for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[fervent pasture]

%role
politician buff:now he breaks all tie(he was useless anyway rn)

[green nacelle]

Thanks @fervent pasture for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[sharp trail]

%role

Health Minister: this is an authoritarian duck who issues a health emergency mandate and forces all ducks collecting in a single area, for mutual protection & reckless virus spread, to go back to their homes (a building somewhere) or else they're all thrown in jail (thus the irony).

[green nacelle]

Thanks @sharp trail for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[sturdy heath]

Wait… how does he break ties?

[sharp trail]

By winning, I assume. The tie votes are very rare IMHO. But maybe I'm just bad.

[steep granite]

To clarify, politian is ok, he can break ties and it really depends on the game and who you're playing with.

It's a bit of a double edge sword because he doesn't go to jail but now they know it's him

[sturdy heath]

Yea. He can also be fun when he ties with a dodo

[supple lantern]

%role

Soldier / Scout : Goose --- Ability: When lights go out they instead see in black and green... with red glows for bodies... basically like nightvision with heatscopes.. it lets them see people in the dark without knowing who exactly is there -- it would hide cosmetics if it shows the bird form or it just could show a red "heat mark" instead of forms. This ability is not clickable, it automatically gets triggered.. so they can't choose to use it or not with lights out -- maybe fog triggers it too after a set timer

Stealth Duck -- Can't be detected by detective always shows angel, sabotages triggered by this duck are undetectable for technician, soldier/scout goose can't see them during nightvision, birdwatcher can't see them when using their ability -- could make people wanna play birdwatcher more, though could be a big drawback.. could be interesting though cause I can imagine unless birdwatcher triggered their ability upon a specific bird they could easily miss and just not know the stealth duck is near

[green nacelle]

Thanks @supple lantern for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[fervent pasture]

SOLIDER GOOSE OMG WE NEED THAT

[fervent pasture]

%role

two roles!

Lookout (Goose)
The lookout goose does exactly the same as the lookout in Town of Salem. As a lookout you can select 1 bird in the round and at the meeting, you can see all the bird who selected them as their target (detective, sheriff, piegon,silencer) THAT round but you cant see who!

or it can be the other way:

If you select one bird in a round and at the meeting you can see who selected them but you dont know what roles they are. You can just see who selected them THAT round.

Parrot (Neutral Evil) *[THIS IS THE INTRESTING ONE]
NOW THIS ONE IS VERY INTRESTING AND THE NAME FITS! As a parrot (Green color) you can copy someones dead bird role at the meetings and use it that round after the meeting. Only one use per bird. If you get a morphling, you get morhpling. If you get sheriff, you get sheriff. You will die if you kill a goose with copied sheriff role. (You copy the role which means the role you get the will have every feature the role has)

But the thing is that you don’t know what the dead peoples roles are (if hidden roles on, it can be turned off and be pretty op for the parrot). [THEY CANNOT COPY VALTURE OR DODO]

The parrot wins when theres two people left including the parrot. No matter if they r a duck or falcon. The parrots always wins when there’s only two left.

I know that parrot might be a little hard to program but its would be hella fun to play as a parrot.

[green nacelle]

Thanks @fervent pasture for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[fervent pasture]

Please, parrot would be so fun 🤩 🦜

[deep swallow]

%role

[green nacelle]

Thanks @deep swallow for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[steep granite]

Wow Orby that's a crazy role

[deep swallow]

%role Flamigo, (Neutral) Every 30 secs, it can rapidly change colors. Anyone who sees it will have a stroke and die. It wins if its one of three players still alive.

[green nacelle]

Thanks @deep swallow for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[deep swallow]

ikr

amazing

[fervent pasture]

This would be over powerd since you can go to a crowd and do it.

And you will never know or see the flamingo

[sudden rampart]

the professional has a 30 second cooldown in a game

so instead of the ability to just make bodies invisible, their ability is to kill every single person that can see them

why stop there

why not just give an ability that kills everyone in the game, and the next game as well

[steep granite]

Herbert has some ideas, and they're very special

[void halo]

Kinda weak TBH, needs buffed

[steep granite]

Try following this document herbert wrote: Basic Guide to Designing Roles for Classic+: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JHySGkJPkCGyTxHyU1jK7XAptCkam79RRgt_j-TFOY4/edit?usp=sharing

[sudden rampart]

i want to give a neutral the ability to kill everyone

not just this game, but last game too

[steep granite]

call it Owl

[sturdy heath]

I have a dream, where I can see everyone’s roles in this game, and the next one too

[sturdy heath]

Parrot is POG

[sturdy heath]

Mate that’s too small, just give it the power to disconnect everyone from the game

[sudden rampart]

everytime you hit spacebar, it disconnects a child on life support at your local children's hospital

[mint gale]

That's too harsh, why don't we start with it decreasing the discounts of the end-of-day sushi sale at the grocery store.

[sturdy heath]

Nah, too simple. Let’s make it give the vulture sushi every time you hit space. That’s a simple solution that won’t cause the vulture to win, since it needs bodies to win

[wind pine]

Just kill the people playing in real life :D

[void halo]

Gotta strongly advise against that one

[wind pine]

Dam true too much paperwork

[gusty bone]

This gives me an idea

%role Blinding Duck
Can kill but not vent
Can use its ability once every round to blind every bird that can see the Blinding Duck (ducks and neutrals included)
Blinded birds cannot use the meeting button/bell and have the vision/proxy chat range of if lights were sabotaged
Blinded birds can report bodies and talk in meetings
Blindness goes away once a meeting is called
Doing a task when a blind goes off in sight counts as looking at the Blinding Duck, but fixing a sabotage and calling a meeting do not

[green nacelle]

Thanks @gusty bone for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[gusty bone]

Thoughts?

[deep swallow]

it will decrease in speed, and it will have 10 secs of flashing colors and no killing. Also, it's only if it's in vision. If there's smog, fog, doing a task, or lights, it wont be seen

[deep swallow]

nice

[sturdy heath]

now thats cool 🙂
question:does the blind duck blindness stay till the end of the round?

[gusty bone]

yes, and thanks

(a round is the time in between meetings if anyone's confused)

[sturdy heath]

mabye the blindness has a cooldown, like birdwatcher. so about 10 seconds for anyone to be blind, and 30 seconds before you can use it again.
Also, mabye make it so the birdwatcher can't be blinded

[gusty bone]

Interesting idea, but i feel it be a bit op then.
having it be a instant flash once per round means you can do some serious damage, but probably wont ending up blinding everyone. Plus, it'd be too easy to camp the button if the blinding has a window and can be used multiple times a round
also, binoculars dont cure blindness, and BW has no current hard counter (just situational)

[sturdy heath]

OH its a instant flash
sorry i thought it stayed on for the rest of the round.

nevermind

its balanced

[gusty bone]

ah alright no worries

[wind pine]

Birdbox suits the name more

[tacit jolt]

Yeah but even if Assassin knows the Politician a lot of times he wont care for a while cause there is so many better roles to shoot. But if the Politician is less Blah and more annoying. He might take that shot if he is changed. (But thats more of a skilled player) But wont lie thats not the main reason I want the Politician changed. I just know when Politician I am like "Well I cant do anything other then say my role and hope to waste a Assassin shot. Or get sussed enough to hopefully get voted to a tie"

[steep granite]

I pulled that from #live-birds lol

[tacit jolt]

Thats fair. I saw that. I still hope they improve the Politician in some way. I heard people ask for the "Among Us" Mayor role ability (Though tbh I kinda hope theyd bring in something like that later on in a different role tbh) But would love the Politician to be its own thing and interesting in its own way 😄

Blinding Duck Opin: Not too bad though they kinda have that as a Sabotage. And does the blinding vision move with them? Does it blind the whole map? Kinda sounded like a Radius thing. And the duck would be the center point. But overall not a bad idea tbh :3

Flamingo Opin- I suggested something like this before. (Medusa Anhinga) Which I thought wouldve been a good version to prevent grouping. Cause your Neutral sounds like that would be your main goal. But you didnt mention much on Limits and the effects. And thats before where he instantly wins on 3 people left. Not even Falcon gets that. But yeah it needs more work. Getting 2+ kills a round can be too OP in many cases especially without reason. I get preventing as much grouping would be nice tbh. But this isnt the way to go in my opinion.

Lookout Opin: I dont think I understand the role. Maybe its cause I never played that game you mentioned O.o idk tbh.

[tacit jolt]

Parrot Opin: 1 when you say 'Green color' Does that mean they have to be a Green Goose? Or will it show theyre parrot? If so I know they like avoiding that. Hence why we never had a "Giant Goose, Or Mini-Me Goose" roles. Cause proving theyre role just by looks doesn't go over well. Honestly I wouldn't mind a "Dead switch me" role. Which you kinda climb into someone you find dead skin and take there powers and name XD Could be fun/funny. But having it you choose someone at meetings role might be a bit OP. Plus seeing you act like someone else at the meeting trying to imitate there voice would be HILARIOUS XD Though I have no idea how the assassin would handle that role. Would they have to know your old role or your new one? Itd be a pain to code thats for sure. Honestly I think being able to copy Vulture or Dodo would be fine in this case. If you dont choose who but you find a body of who you took. So its more random and fair. (And even gives you the chance of not being able to do anything like Mortician gets sometimes.) Honestly I also think the parrot winning by itself wouldn't be best. I think it should win or lose with whatever team it gets from the one it finds. But itd give a second chance of victory to Dodo, Vulture, Falcon or Pigeon too. Not that bad of a role if tweaked. But honestly would be hard to code.

Soldier Opin: I like the idea. I suggested a edit with Birdwatcher to be kinda similar (See in the dark with there flashlight mode) but they really really really dont like anything being a partial counter VS lights. Cause theyll claim its a full counter when its not. And thats about it. It wont go anywhere cause they claim its a full counter when its a partial counter.

Stealth Duck- Kinda sounds like both your Soldier and Birdwatcher could instantly catch this guy. Sounds like more downsides then upsides. Especially with Detective being less useful in general. And Technician having the issue of seeing Dead Ducks Sabs. It kinda makes him less useful then many ducks. But I do like trying to make the Birdwatcher a better role and appreciate that tbh.

[gusty bone]

Anyone who has the Blinding Duck in their vision radius gets blinded when the ability starts.
It’s a one time flash, and you only get one per round
Also glad you like the role

[tacit jolt]

Health Minister Opin: Wouldnt that hurt the ducks more then help? Especially if it throws them in jail for no reason? Kinda would reveal them or make them gather to this role when they could be instead doing many other things.

Walliam- Yeah I like it. Its pretty well thought out tbh. I like its upsides and its downsides. And I like it cant camp vents for when it vanishes. Itd need a few touch ups. But I can see it being a fun role

[deep swallow]

%role Confused (Duck) The duck doesn’t know who their partners are

[green nacelle]

Thanks @deep swallow for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[steep granite]

That's just blind ducks

[deep swallow]

Yeah but only one duck is blind

And there could be mimic

[steep granite]

Kind of useless, just a disadvantage

[gusty bone]

%role Confused Duck (Walliam’s Edition)
Doesn’t know who the other ducks are, but the other ducks know that the Confused Duck is a Duck
Whenever it kills someone, it stores the victim’s ability
It can use it’s current stored ability once before requiring another ability to be stored
Killing someone with an ability stored resets the ability to the newest killed
The Confused Duck doesn’t know what it’s stored ability is until they use it
They do however know if it can be used or not

[green nacelle]

Thanks @gusty bone for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[deep swallow]

Bro

[deep swallow]

%role owl (neutral) can sabotage tasks so when someone does it, (doesn’t matter if the task is fake for duck or neutral), they get cooked. Wins when 5 people die to them

[green nacelle]

Thanks @deep swallow for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[wind pine]

What about not let them do their special ability for the rest of the round until meeting since let's say like a little electric zap or smthn just frazzled them

[sharp trail]

%role Scientist goose: tags a player with a tracking scent where only they can see the walking path history of a single player for a round.

[green nacelle]

Thanks @sharp trail for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[crisp heron]

%role Tracker goose: they can choose one player to track per round

[green nacelle]

Thanks @crisp heron for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[shadow falcon]

isnt it the same as runrun?

[rain thunder]

Cackling Goose (Neutral)-

Survive till the end and fit in with the goose.

The Cackling Goose goal is to fit in and survive till the end
if the Cackling goose survives when there are 2 people alive left, the Cackling Goose wins.

(When the Duck and the Cackling Goose is left, the Cackling Goose wins, You can assassinate the Cackling Goose)

[karmic mortar]

Swapper goose

Same as reverser from another game. You swap over who gets voted.

[rain thunder]

Do they get to swap Skips?

[karmic mortar]

Nah, sounds broken

[rain thunder]

I know, im just asking, becuz if they get to do that, thats too broken

[rain thunder]

But the role Swapper is too good, dont think they will add it

%role

Cackling Goose (Neutral)-

Survive till the end and fit in with the goose.

The Cackling Goose goal is to fit in and survive till the end
if the Cackling goose is one of the 2 people alive left, the Cackling Goose wins.

(When the Duck and the Cackling Goose is the only one's left, the Cackling Goose wins, You can assassinate the Cackling Goose)

[green nacelle]

Thanks @rain thunder for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[calm hare]

Dunno if I'd count that as a goose role, more a neutral. Maybe a Kookaburra

[rain thunder]

i jsut called it that becuz in real life the Cackling Goose is actually not a goose ( I THINK)

but looks like one

[rain thunder]

also it says (Neutral)

[deep swallow]

Ok

[sharp trail]

%role Armadillo, can play dead once per round. If their body is reported dead 4 times, they win. Vultures cannot eat them.

[green nacelle]

Thanks @sharp trail for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[calm hare]

I don't see how it would be possible to win with that role, on the second or at latest third, round of people seeing you not actually dead you'd just get voted off

[rain thunder]

If their body is dead, and now they are alive, makes it obvious that they are armadillo

[stray breach]

%role Berserker Duck! Once per game, the Berserker Duck can use their special ability to instantly reset their kill cooldown~~ and increase their movement speed for 5/10 seconds~~. This comes with a major drawback though, as using it doubles their kill cooldown for the rest of the game. Similar to the Morphling and Silencer, the Berserker cannot use vents or sewers because their special ability replaces that action. Alternatively, the ability could simply double your next kill cooldown after it's used, allowing you to get two kills back-to-back at the cost of having to wait twice as long to kill again. This would be less punishing for the Ducks while still retaining some downside for using the ability.

[green nacelle]

Thanks @stray breach for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[north pewter]

I like the idea but the move speed buff would give you away, but just a kill cool down reset would be cool

[shadow falcon]

I would definitely not waste my knife for a speed

but sure...speed might be useful

[calm hare]

TBH, that sounds like an ability I wouldn't really get around to using, it instantly reveals that i'm a duck and then it takes me twice as long to get kills in after

[stray breach]

It wouldn't reveal you as a Duck if the movement speed bonus was removed though. It would probably be more balanced if all it did was reset your kill cooldown once per game anyways.

[calm hare]

Still doesn't seem like an ability I'd use, it would severely cripple your ability to make kills, which would make you more reliant on your partner doing more of the work. And if you lost that partner you would really be in a bind

[stray breach]

Perhaps, but I feel like being able to kill twice in a row needs to be balanced somehow, otherwise it would be a no-brainer ability to use every time you get the role. Maybe it would be better if only the next kill cooldown after using the ability was doubled instead of all of them for the rest of the game? That way you could get two kills very quickly at the cost of not being able to kill again for a while after.

[calm hare]

Oh I admit that it would have to be balanced out. TBH I'm not a fan of the mechanic itself, seems like it would either be too OP or completely boring. But I'm not one of the devs either.

[gusty bone]

I find the mechanic to be fairly balanced. It doesn’t break anything like ppl say it does, just requires roles like the pigeon to have to problem solve around it

[gusty bone]

Balance idea
The Berserker Duck:
You can kill right after killing someone else for a short moment. You draw more attention to yourself by doing this.
After double killing (which has a 4 second window), your kill cooldown is increased by 1.5x until you kill again.
Technician sees the general area where berserker double killed (1.5 times the size of sabotage circles),
After a double kill, Detective Geese find the Berserker as sus for both this round and the next
The Mortician knows the amount of time a body killed by a berserker has been dead for.
Canadian geese wait 10 seconds later to have a berserker auto report

[karmic snow]

%role Modify Mortician Goose by adding a small arrow like Vulture to give an indication where the body is. Have this arrow appear on-screen 2-4 seconds. This way so that it makes it a little easier for Morticians to find bodies.

[green nacelle]

Thanks @karmic snow for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[gusty bone]

This, but you can only use it twice per game

[supple lantern]

they have said no to this like 100 times already

[tacit jolt]

I love the Mechanic. Honestly its well balanced in my opinion. I rarely ever get a complaint its boring. And for a Goose role. Thats a good thing. Cause it sucks hearing someone say "I got Politician for 3 rounds" complaining about the role cause the role is kinda meh. And there is 4 roles I am vocal about that I feel need a update. With the Politician toping that list. (Mostly cause Politician has so much potential to be good. Rather my idea I suggested or a Rip-Off AU Mayor idea... Which Id find as a good role but rather a secondary Mayor like role in my opinion)

Cackling Goose Opin: You said its a Goose but it doesnt sound like a Goose. And it sounds like you wouldnt have any power just be a regular person. Nothing could ever really give you away. And all this would do is promote more grouping... Which we have more then enough of.

[steep granite]

What role is that?

[mint gale]

Will not happen for a ton of reasons 🙂 Firstly, it makes the medium useless AND also is WAY too powerful for geeses.

[steep granite]

Classic Rejects?

[mint gale]

Still likely not

[steep granite]

How about a goose with plot armor than can't die, huh? isn't that fun?

[supple lantern]

maybe if its a 1 kill shield, i'd laugh though if an assassin stabs you just to shoot you in the meeting

shawn you okay there? ya poopin all over

[mint gale]

Just on some ideas lol. Preventing a kill in this way breaks the social deduction aspect of the game.

If we wanted to make it more of an action game we would do a guardian angel type role or resurrect players.

It's doesn't work well because the victim now will have a lot more info.

Killing should always "work"

[supple lantern]

thats assuming they would know their shield was used

but is ok can't have good ideas without the bad

[mint gale]

There are a lot of things that need to be considered and we've thought of a lot of ot.

It's tough to keep the spirit of the game.

[tacit jolt]

The Modified Mortician Opin: Other then making the Mortician too. OP. (Honestly a 10 Second wait time would be better and that might still have that issue)This would interfere with the Vulture. It could interfere with Professional entire ability (Which the Vulture kinda does already) Honestly I thought about it and itd be WAY to powerful. Though I wouldn't mind the search cooldown on the Mortician going away tbh. The Search time takes 3+ seconds and staying on the body for a bit can look sus. And when you can take that time to do many other things it kinda stinks. Or if someone reports before you finish. I had that happen so much. Again in my Opinion the Mortician is a decent role. And at the end of the day. There's about 4 Goose roles which I couldn't even call decent roles. I think the Mortician should be left alone cause normally fixes they'd choose to make weakens the roles. Like Detective which was Neutered .

Scientist and Tracker Opin: You both said practically the same thing. But not a bad idea tbh. Follow one player. Does it show them each round though and how long does the thing last for? Lack of details on each. Can they "Cross the streams"? It has its ups and down sides cause someone couldve died there after and if you follow the stream and they went everywhere across the map itd be unlucky tbh. But you could find out if they vented too. I dont know how hard it would be to code. And if itd be too laggy on the coding. But it could be a fun role. And Id have it they'd track 1 person for the entire game. Not a round cause then itd be too OP cause you could track each person every round and itd make it a top tier role (Which Goose roles should be decent but not overly good). If they die you dont see any stream anymore. Honestly itd be a better Detective then the one we have now.

Berserker Duck Opin- Honestly Id like that role. I know I been pinned from Groupers and that would help me slaughter 2 for the price of one. And take out a quick group and run back into a Marinated group and place sus on the Sheriff would be nice too. So I would hear more "Could be Beserker, Lovers or Sheriff." Make it so I can hide away leaving a group of campers dead in there tracks. And for end game it could be a life saver. Cause I have been in a group of 4 at the end unable to do practically anything cause if I left theyd sus me out. And if I killed theyd know and report the body or ring the bell. Anything to hit grouping issues is awesome in my book.

Pigeon helps.... But when they know the Pigeon is dead. People still tend to do this.

[fervent pasture]

Just summon me,i ain’t regular pigeon

[cosmic jewel]

[ Lawyer Goose ] can save one voted person per game.

[ pastor goose ] able to revive the dead and after that, the role will come out

[baby goose ] get voted and don't die

[ Runner Goose ] Run faster than normal goose

[ Fat goose ] run slower than a normal goose

[mint gale]

#🐣︱classic-role-ideas message

Should read these before coming up with TOO many ideas

[cosmic jewel]

[ Senior Goose ] 1 vote = 2 votes 2 times in one game

[mint gale]

Lawyer Goose - Vote manipulation is very dangerous and actually works against the geese. It's one of the few ways for them to win. Often this will hurt them.
Pastor Goose - We don't want to bring anyone back from the dead for a lot of reasons.
Baby Goose - This is similar to lawyer goose, we already have the politician which basically fixes a final 3 scenario.
Runner Goose - would immediately be identifiable
Fat Goose - Same as Above
Senior Goose - See Lawyer Goose 🙂

These don't really work well for social deduction but maybe in other game modes.

Your headspace of simplicity is on point though.

[cosmic jewel]

Ok

?? A goose can revive a goose or duck, but it will die instead.

[shadow falcon]

altruist?

[steep granite]

Just no reviving guys

Just no, especially with spectator mode now

[soft cloud]

Pacifist Goose - Prevent any killing once per round in the room you are currently in.

[indigo slate]

Lover Dodo- Get voted out to make your Lovers Win

[sharp trail]

Right, but they can always be killed for real. It feels like ppl report bodies too quickly, preventing mortician from working. I was just trying to imagine a way to balance out the reporting speed.

[indigo slate]

Trap Duck- You can Trap Anyone. Trapping geese willKill them. You cannot Vent. Your Task are Fake
Medic Goose- You can Revive Bodies and Check Vitals
Guardian Ghost Goose- When you Die you can protect anyon
Father Goose- Stay with (user) to protect them from killing
Baby Goose- Stay with your Father (user) to prevent anyone from killing you
Vampire Duck- Infecting a Player will convert them into a Duck
Disinfecting Goose- You can Disinfect a Goose converted to a duck by a Vampire

[steep granite]

Man, no reviving, vampire already exists in the trick or treat gamemode

[steep moth]

I recommend reading the Guide Created By Herbert:
https://discordapp.com/channels/816356438032908328/826907293484318802/886251705346424862

https://discordapp.com/channels/816356438032908328/826907293484318802/933243653386805279 <- "Killing should always work"

With revival and protecting people from death and visual role reveals, it eliminates the social deception

[hallow shuttle]

What if there was a role which starts as a neutral (like an amnesiac in Town of Salem) and then if they find a body, they have the option to take the role of the dead player

[steep granite]

How does this affect existing roles?

[hallow shuttle]

It would make it possible for there to now be two of the same role--though never at the same time

Sheriff dies round 1, this amnesiquack finds the body, uses their ability, and becomes the sheriff/medium/falcon/pigeon/etc. at the next meeting.

[steep granite]

Could it take duck roles?

[hallow shuttle]

I don't see why not. If a duck dies early, it gives the duck team a little bit of reinforcement

But the idea is they wouldn't know the role they are becoming (unless that info is already out there)

[steep granite]

Doesn't this role fundamentally alter how the game is played?

[hallow shuttle]

I don't see how. It's another neutral role that has motivations requiring them to be flexible at the beginning--since they don't know what their win conditions would be yet

It doesn't seem like it would affect the mechanisms of the other roles, as far as I see it. It has mortician power in the sense that you know a dead player's role--but maybe there are also ways to create a risk of assuming a role

[steep granite]

I mean it could endanger games, we have roles that just would be too dangerous to impersonate like falcon when there is a vigilante duck falcon and it

but it might be implementable

[hallow shuttle]

Yeah I think there are ways to buff/nerf it. Like the danger I see is copying a very strong role late in the game--but that would require 1) the player to stay alive until the late game and 2) copy the right body.

I always think it's interesting to have a role whose win conditions change mid-game. And this change wouldn't be too OP like a duck turning into a goose and then selling out all the other ducks or something

Or possibly it has an assassin type mechanism where at the meeting, this role would pick a dead body--pick the role they think it was, and if right, they become that role the next round

sorry now my brain is churning hahaha

#🐣︱classic-role-ideas message actually i see @fervent pasture has already mentioned this idea! sorry, i should have looked first

[sturdy heath]

It’s ok. A lot of people have similar ideas.

[deep swallow]

%role DoDuck (Duck) If it gets votes off, the ducks win.

The role can only be in the game if a sheriff and or vigilante is in the game too.

[green nacelle]

Thanks @deep swallow for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[pastel lantern]

%role What about a Jester/Clown type neutral that can swap the roles of two other players (not self) of their choice during a meeting once per game. They wouldn't know the roles of who they swap unless the players claimed their roles prior and the players would be notified after the meeting that they are now this other role. Could be pretty funny. (:

(edit: cant swap a duck role tho, if they try to swap a duck role with another, nothing happens, theres no change and the jester/clown won't know if the swap has gone through or not unless other players announce their possible role change)

[deep swallow]

Do they have a winning condition (and also give it a bird name)

[steep granite]

Have you ever wanted to make an original name for a new role? Here are Role names with first letter that aren't overused:

Emu / Eagle
Ituri Batis
Jay
Kauai O’o / Kiwi
Nuthatch
Owl
Quetzalcoatl
Robin
Umbrellabird
Wattlebird
Xeme
Yellowbill
Zapata Wren

None of these are the initials of an existing role

[deep swallow]

i made an owl role so mabye-

[steep granite]

Owl is a very common bird name

[deep swallow]

yes

[steep granite]

So is penguin and eagle

[deep swallow]

yes

[tacit jolt]

Lawyer Goose Opin- Might hurt the geese more times then not as Shawn said. But I actually like this idea. People would love the role and at the end of the day I rather people love playing there roles then being helpful roles. Too many Politician type of roles that are neither helpful or fun to play.

Pastor Goose Opin- Instant reveal of a killer. Wouldn't work.

Baby Goose Opin- Honestly itd instantly prove you're good. And this would be played for unfun purposes and annoyance more then anything. (Though while I dislike the idea. Doesn't mean they cant make it work one way or another)

Runner/Fat Goose Opin- Instantly reveals your role in the game. Which is bad for every reason in the game.

Senior Goose Opin- Voter Manipulation could and would be fun. But personally I feel that its missing charm. A Mayor role would be cool. Cause they give something to get something. Plus while Shawn says "Itd be used more then not in the ducks favor"[Not exact quote] I tell you what. I have come down to 3 Ducks, 3 Geese and a falcon before. We knew 2 of the ducks. Sheriff was dead. And Vig used there shot on a Dodo. And for the life of the group there was nothing we could do. Cause a Politician, Locksmith, and Emptied Vig couldn't do anything besides wait for death. And I have been in a number of these situations. Plus the amount of times everyone knew the killer and Geese Skipped was ughhhh. So Id like some sort of Voter Manipulation. Itd be fun. But I aint a big fan of your version of Voter Manipulation.

Pacifist Goose Opin- Would this work if youre in a hallway? If so would that prevent any hallway? In my opinion its not a bad idea. But radius effects would be easier. And in all honesty would it be fun?

Lover Dodo Opin- We already have a Dodo. We dont need more people who can get voted out to win :/ All this would do is make it so nobody gets voted out. The max they could do is a "Side-Quest" kinda matching role that doesnt rely on that to win (Which I suggested in a Politian edit)

Trap Duck Opin- Would Traps be Invisible? If not would this duck only be useful in the dark? Seems kinda meh.

Medic Opin- Addressed many many times. You cant revive someone cause if you do theyd know the killers. And even if silenced they can dance around the killers day and night.

Guardian Goose Opin- So you can make someone unkillable? Not too bad. But youd know everyones roles and itd be very unfair.

Grouping Gooses Opin(Father and Son)- We have too much grouping as is.

Vampire Opin- Could be a fun role tbh but Id rename cause we have a Vampire already/

Disinfected Opin- (I like being able to turn a duck back which if you get a duck you turn him into a goose and if you get a goose nothing happens and you used up your role. Could be fun. But the issue is most the time Blind Ducks isnt on so theyd know the other ducks and rat them out instantly. So itd be a no go.)

PPY Suggested Opin- Someone suggested this before :3 Checkout my Parrot Opin above. I like it even though itd be a pain to code.

DoDuck- This is a Dodo with Teammates. Be the most OP thing in the world. No way no how.

[deep swallow]

%role Eagle (Neutral) every round it turn into a goose from a duck, and vice versa. The eagle doesn't know it's "teamates" when duck, and the ducks dont know about the eagle duck either. The eagle wins with who it was in the round won.

[green nacelle]

Thanks @deep swallow for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[steep moth]

We always appreciate you guys supporting each other and suggesting ideas but lets leave this channel as a place for the ideas themselves. We read everything

[soft cloud]

Cuckoo - Place eggs on players. When the round ends, all players with eggs will hatch will be slowed down. Wins if all players have hatched eggs.

[deep swallow]

its neutral right

[soft cloud]

Mhm

[cosmic jewel]

Hack Goose ] When completing the mission Will be able to play the role of - goose, but the quest will be more than usual.

[deep swallow]

??

[soft cloud]

Hm, a radius would work better, wouldn't it?

[soft cloud]

Uh, yes

[fierce ginkgo]

Medic Goose - Able to revive a single dead goose

[deep swallow]

DUH

[steep granite]

read https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JHySGkJPkCGyTxHyU1jK7XAptCkam79RRgt_j-TFOY4/edit and previous roles proposed and you'll understand why that's unpractical

[steep moth]

we're going to have to make a couple FAQ channels

people don't read #📌︱idea-channels-guidelines

[steep granite]

); its sad, there needs to be a comprehensive video explaining frequently asked roles that got refused

or a refused roles channel

[steep moth]

no one would read that

#classicrejects

[steep granite]

speaking of videos, there needs to be a video explaining the goose poker game

[hallow shuttle]

Read the parrot opin above--I loved it. I just wish it was easier to code Bc I think it could play well and can be balanced out

[supple lantern]

%role

Empathic Goose -- If only one bird votes for the Empathic Goose then the Empath can know the voters role during the next round, goes away during next meeting

makes it not OP due to the fact they have to find who voted for them in the actual round, if round ends before they discover them then they know nothing

[green nacelle]

Thanks @supple lantern for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[mighty sparrow]

%role Host - Goose role, can be possessed by 1 dead goose for 10 seconds once per round. The Host sees a slightly grey screen and the ghost gets 10 seconds to control the Host, but they can't talk and meetings break possession. I think this would a) be SUPER fun for dead geese (esp fighting over who gets to possess them), b) be fun and interesting for the Host (esp figuring out what the ghost was trying to tell them, c) be excellent to falsely claim possessed for things, or just set up fun situations. The ghosts can definitely fart while possessing the Host, though. 😄

[green nacelle]

Thanks @mighty sparrow for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[slow shuttle]

%role Nightingale - Neutral role. At the begining of the game, he gets one or more targets and must convince the others to eject them in the votes. Win the game only if all the targets ends being ejected and he survives

[green nacelle]

Thanks @slow shuttle for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[wind pine]

What if a duck ghost posses them to the other duck and kills? xd

[calm hare]

I mean, that is an interesting role and you've obviously put some time into thinking about it. I do see a few problems

1. Death Sentence really removes any way for the owl to be found out
2. Permanent morphling only really messes with the geese for a bit and I don't really see it being helpful either way
3. Permanent silenced would just be annoying and make people not want to play with the role enabled and really would break the social deduction aspect
4. I'm assuming the fake glow is supposed to implicate someone else as the owl, only reason i can see for that
   Overall the role itself seems very unbalanced and would encourage the geese to do tasks even less than they already do

[tacit jolt]

Chris- Oops sorry ^-^' I may have went overboard with Opinions. I see something and just wanna go like "OMG I wanna help" XD If I could code Id help in that way too :3 (Also I would read a commonly denied roles FAQ. But I am defiantly weird. Id also have in in my Opin pieces XD)

Hey does the Admin normally read the General section? I was thinking maybe I can post my opinions on how to fix roles there :3 Just @Them in there ^-^ Cause I like helping. Making Roles not just fun. But Plausible. So when they're inevitably denied. They know they had a better chance of not being denied 😄

PPY- I beat you too it ^-^ Already read and posted a Opin above. (I also sent it to you cause sadly Discord doesnt have a good version of CTRL-F button) Probably sounding like a Grandpa now

Also I wanted to note how excited I am for Classic Rejects. I hope it has all The Classic Plus ones (And some of the removed Old Classic Plus Ones) 😄 Ugggggh I am so excited. I would play that night and day ^-^

[serene sphinx]

%role Assassin Goose (not duck)--Can guess duck/neutral roles in meetings (works similarly to the duck version). Has to guess a duck's exact role in order to kill them.

[green nacelle]

Thanks @serene sphinx for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[calm hare]

The admin generally get around to reading most things. I would not, however, advise @'ing them as they do not appreciate it and then you get all kinds of people trying to @ them and it would just snowball into being a nuisance.

[gusty bone]

I’ve made an entire essay on why an assassin based goose is a flawed idea a while ago:
#🐣︱classic-role-ideas message

[sturdy heath]

If you know who’s a duck, why assassin are when you can vote them off

[serene sphinx]

Half the time, the vote fails and you have to rely on other killers. I guess that could be the extent of it if the devs want it that way.

[wind pine]

" Crow " Neutral birb
Goal is to steal the gravy gooses coins because well shiny :) however the crow doesn't know which other avian is the money carrying one so they have to guess and if they make a wrong guess the person who they chose from knows their role? ( Your welcome to change anything ) And the way they win is by getting the gold coins idk

[worldly monolith]

%role
Pitohui
can be either negative or passive role, shown bellow

Pitohui (Passive / neutral role, Goose)
It wins with Goose team, or when poisoning the vulture.
Whenever it gets killed, it's corpse gets poisonous for Vulture. It's corpse will disappear after 2 rounds (meetings). Vulture doesn't see the corpse with the arrow on it.
If vulture is poisoned, there's a 25% for them to die next round on the meeting because of the poison. It's adding +3% to the poison chance, every meeting.

Hooded Pitohui (Negative role, Duck)
You win with Duck team
Besides killing others with the normal killing skill, your role does the same as the role above, but instead of having poisoned corpse, it can poison other bird's corpses (they'll disappear after 2 rounds as already said). It can use this action 2× per game, with 60sec cooldown. Meetings resets it's cooldown of course. It cannot make deadly sabotages. (It can do lights, Fog, Doors, even the chandelier sabotage) The poison is available for killing morticians and Vultures, although this role doesn't win when poisoning Vulture.

[green nacelle]

Thanks @worldly monolith for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[mighty sparrow]

Only geese can possess other geese, dead ducks and neutrals can’t possess (different species! :))

[mighty sparrow]

%role I noticed that as far as role categories there is: Pink, Red, Orange, Yellow, Blue. Could there be green and purple roles at some point? That would be neat.

[green nacelle]

Thanks @mighty sparrow for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[rain thunder]

%role

Gambler Birb (Neutral)

Copy Neutral Roles, and Win with the role u Copied.

-The Gambler Birb is able to copy a role for 1 Round (1 Meeting included in that round), but if they copy a duck or a goose they will be revealed to everyone.
They can only copy Neutrals (Dodo,Falcon,Pigeon)
You create ur own Win Condition by copying Neutral role
(the person u copy from still keeps their role)

[green nacelle]

Thanks @rain thunder for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[rain thunder]

honestly, i think this will be a reject

[white karma]

%role So I wrote down again the witch role...

Role : Witch (🦉)
Team : Solo Neutral
Description : Witchcraft be able to use spell to manipulate the player. Witchcraft can never be able to vote but skip (same as falcon). The spells are quite powerful however..
Owl has their own enemy which is the Medium.

Owl Ability : Black Magic
Target : Any goose/duck/neutral
Cooldown : 15s and limited to 3 uses/round
Effect : After Owl using spell on target. The spell will be active after 5 seconds later at random effect.

Random effect:
1. Decaying Carcass ( Effect last 15 seconds when spell is active)
If affected with Owl spell. Once the goose/duck/neutral die. The body will be removed after 10 seconds.
2. Confusion ( Effect last 15 seconds when spell is active)
Everyone color and attire changed to white color, player name and attire will be hidden to the infected.
**3. Slowdown. **( Effect last 30 seconds when spell is active)
Infected movement speed reduced for 30 seconds.
**4. Possessed Puppet **(Only for role that has killing ability) ( Effect last 20 seconds when spell is active)
Infected will auto-kill any player including ally for 20 seconds.
5. Bloody Footprint ( Effect last 20 seconds when spell is active)
Infected will leave trace on their pathing

Incase, Infected survived during the spell active period. The spell will be lifted.
Calling meeting or report body also remove the spells effect.

Winning Condition : Survive as last standing or cast # times spell on players

If witchcraft role enable then Medium will have extra ability
Medium Ability : Cleanse
Use: 1x per round
Cleanse any affected goose/duck/neutral

**Modified Medium base ability : **
Medium will be able see dead count and spell affected player with outline of their body.

[green nacelle]

Thanks @white karma for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[tacit jolt]

%role

Role: Parrot Edited

I liked and talked to PPY a bunch. And think I have a way it could work without much coding.

A Parrot starts as a Neutral. Takes a dead person role in game from a body he finds. Joining whatever Team of the dead person role they take (Possibly giving a second chance for someone to win.) But they dont just take there role. They take there look and spot on in the meeting. (So the killer could know who the Parrot is. Making it much harder on this role. And this role has to act like the player[Which is funny especially if you have Proxy Chat like I always do]. Making it a very hard role to be. But hopefully a fun one to be.) Once per game Role (And he gets role for entire game). He cant keep switching dead bodies obviously.

This way the Parrot is by no means OP. And has quite a few flaws to make sure the role is stable and balanced.

PPY mentioned they would prefer if the Parrot didnt take the person look in the meeting (But that might make it too OP then) But again either is fine as long as its a fun role. I kinda like the skin stealing idea 😉 But thats cause I think itd be funny XD But if that would make it easier on Developers then by all means he just takes the role and the rest of the stuff generally applies.

[green nacelle]

Thanks @tacit jolt for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[tacit jolt]

Small things this will effect:
Assassin could shoot him as Parrot or his role he has. Im fine with both or either.
Morphling if they take the DNA I think should turn into the Parrot. But I am fine with either.
Spy if voted him would show both his and the dead his roles.
If he takes Lovers I am fine with him killing himself over the body (Love them Lols) Or could be like a Lover with a Disconnected partner.
If he gets a Duck he doesnt see the partners. And while wins with them he can kill the other Ducks giving him yet another fault. (They can kill him too obviously even though they see him as a Teammate. Kinda like Mimic if Mimic is on but if not on they can only do it to him)
If thats not enough you can give him a downside of having to vote himself. Or having to skip like Falcon. But I think thatd make him weaker then needed. But atleast hed be a fun role and I would be down for it if the team thinks thatd balance him.

But the Parrot can never win on his own. Like a Vulture who doesnt eat. Or a Pigeon that doesnt sneeze. Then theyre just a Neutral that looses. Also they don't hold up the game.

(Heck you can make it so if every duck is dead but he's alive. It still ends the game with him losing cause he's not a true duck. Which again would be funny XD Especially if it was him and Flacon left and he kills Falcon and then loses) Again whatever makes it easier to code. And fun 😄

[turbid thistle]

The King! He 've got once per game 2 Votes and can't go to prison. His Tasks are more difficult.

(goose)

[steep granite]

That is literally the Politician Goose

[turbid thistle]

no, its a politician-upgrade

[steep granite]

then that would make that role useless, I think they made it balanced for a reason

[turbid thistle]

it is balanced because of more difficult tasks

[steep granite]

tasks cant all be made harder for one role and they're also optional

[supple lantern]

btw Kings don't go to prison, we just cut off their heads

[deep swallow]

%role

Chickgoose (Goose)
Imma explain it lore-wise so it’ll be easier to understand how it’ll work in the ggd universe

In their young life, they’ve heard about this mythical creature called “A chicken,” and had been interested ever since. It started to read books, and anything that includes the mythic avian. It eventually became a scientist, trying to make chicken D.N.A. And after a year, they completed in. They made 100s of needles containing the D.N.A, and even putting it in themselves.They’ve come on the ship to explain how they make the D.N.A and to sell to people. But the ducks didn’t like that they were selling this stuff, and started to kill geese who had the D.N.A. But they didn’t die immediately. Since a chicken could live 7 secs without its head, the geese did too, pointing at the foul fouls. The Chickgoose and other avians were surprised at this discovery, and they started to flock to the “Vaccines” to buy them. Mabye the chickgoose wasn’t so crazy after all…

TLDR; The chickgoose can live 7 seconds after in died, but can’t talk. The gooses screen will slowly fade till they die. Has a 0.1% to click in text

[green nacelle]

Thanks @deep swallow for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[steep granite]

That's something I don't understand, can you elaborate

how does it inject dna

[scenic roost]

%role
Sniper (Duck)
The sniper can, thrice per game, shoot a bullet across the map through their sabotage map (this role may have sabotaging removed or not depending on how good it is) as an addition, when they kill, it pushes the body a bit away from them as if it has been shot. The kill animation is always a duck in a goose costume shooting the goose and them flying off the screen

[green nacelle]

Thanks @scenic roost for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[deep swallow]

You just take a needle with the D.N.A
Use it like a vaccine (It’s unpainful too!)

[steep granite]

Ok

[gusty bone]

Ok but how does it work exactly, is it a one time thing or do you have multiple syringes?

[deep swallow]

You can only carry two per round, one for each “hand”

[steep granite]

yeah

[gusty bone]

Although the lore is interesting, I’d say to start with describing and fleshing out the base mechanics before delving into the lore

Like, do they give someone the chicken ability for the entire round or the entire game?

[deep swallow]

Entire round, said this

[gusty bone]

Ah alr

Seems kinda op

[steep granite]

Yeah

I mean we have 2 roles that jeopardize killing

maybe another one is dangerous

[gusty bone]

My problem is different

It has the ability to make 2 people have the exact abilities of its role every round

[steep granite]

oh that too

[deep swallow]

Ok, let’s simplify to one or zero

[gusty bone]

I like the idea of trying to chase down your attacker after they killed you tho

[deep swallow]

Do you have any other complaints?

[steep granite]

No role should be all-powerful, and should have drawbacks or ways to be countere

[deep swallow]

Ah

[gusty bone]

it’s main counter is for the duck to just hop in a vent

[deep swallow]

What should the draw back be

[steep granite]

Not sure

[gusty bone]

Of course, that has the problem of that several Duck roles can’t vent

[deep swallow]

Yeah, it adds to the unsureness on who to kill

[steep granite]

Does this role fundamentally alter how the game is played?

[deep swallow]

Yes?

[steep granite]

Then it should be in another gamemode

[gusty bone]

I mean, it kinda acts as a weird Canadian

[steep granite]

Exactly

quoting herbert

Is there counterplay to this role?
What about the CANADIAN you say? Isn't the Canadian’s power level too high if it can also remove a Duck when it dies? Well, an important facet of roles should be that there is play and counterplay. There are several ways around a Canadian. For example, a Professional can successfully kill the Canadian, and not activate their ability. An Assassin can shoot the Canadian. The possibility of the Assassin also prevents the Canadian from freely stating their role, and a Canadian even stating their role publicly to whoever they spawn with might have made a terrible mistake. The Canadian can be voted out. The Canadian can be ignored.
No role should be all-powerful, and should have drawbacks or ways to be countered

[gusty bone]

Oh I have an idea

[deep swallow]

?

[gusty bone]

The Person can talk, but isn’t told they’ve been murdered until the delay ends

[deep swallow]

Ah

[deep swallow]

OK what should the drawback be

This?

I think it’s good

[steep granite]

I don't know, you have to find one

[gusty bone]

This makes it so they don’t know who murdered them until it’s too late

[deep swallow]

Agreeing with walliam

[steep granite]

Yeah it could work

[gusty bone]

But it could very much be used to call out ducks if you know they killed you anyways (weird walking patterns)

And the duck sees you as a headless corpse, that just happens to be walking, maybe a chicken cluck while we’re at it

[deep swallow]

Also Alex why aren’t you a GGD worker yet, you’ll be a great add on

[deep swallow]

Y e

[steep granite]

I really just riff off whatever Herbert says, thanks for the compliment though

Besides I don't do good with spoilers

[deep swallow]

Ay so is the role good now

[gusty bone]

Noice

[steep granite]

I mean, its certainly more balanced

Does it have a visual cue normally?

[deep swallow]

Hmmm

[steep granite]

or does it look like any of the other geese

[gusty bone]

I feel the idea of the no syringes, just delays the death version of this role would be the way the devs would do it if the added it

[deep swallow]

It is a goose and sometimes “Ba-coc!” Like a chick

[gusty bone]

Looks like all the other geese, only the person who killed them knows that they’ve been attacked

[deep swallow]

What is the thing chickens do that’s similar to a ducks quack?

Can’t remember what it’s called

[gusty bone]

Cluck

[deep swallow]

It is and looks like a goose, but sometimes clucks in texting

It also doesn’t blink but that’s just a side affect

[steep granite]

I mean anything that is personal to a role takes social deduction out but it could also be countered by assasin

[deep swallow]

Yeah it clicks in text sometimes
ex.“I think it’s CLUCK CLUCK orange”

Very rarely, only happens like 0.001% of times

[steep granite]

that could make it claimable

[gusty bone]

Ah alr

[steep granite]

people could write the message to troll or lie

[deep swallow]

V e r y claimable

[steep granite]

which is great

Really all about balance

[deep swallow]

It could be a dodo clucking or a goose trying to psyching out the assassin

[gusty bone]

Interesting idea, but I feel that would morph the meeting to be all around that the moment someone says the word cluck

[deep swallow]

Yes

[steep granite]

Yeah maybe make it just like any other goose

with seringes

and whacky dna

[deep swallow]

.

Will barely happen tho

[gusty bone]

IMO a goose role with a 1% chance of revealing it’s role and diverting the entire meeting to be around them instead of who the ducks are sounds like it could derail a game pretty fast

Rarely, but fast

[deep swallow]

Yes, and the potential of it being fake just makes it funner

Thank you walliam for making my idea better

[steep granite]

i like the idea

[deep swallow]

And you too Alex

[gusty bone]

Idk, I like the idea of client side clucking noises while your in game, but we’re slipping into does this role become the center of the game territory

And that’s a right only partially reserved for the ducks

[gusty bone]

Welcome

[steep granite]

Great convo we had🦤

[deep swallow]

Yes

[gusty bone]

Agreed

[deep swallow]

Can someone add the new customs for the chickgoose now

[gusty bone]

Like request it or illustrate it

[deep swallow]

Ok I’ll do it

Did it

[steep granite]

#📷︱photo-gallery a funny honk

[gusty bone]

Noice

[deep swallow]

Feel like there should be a role that just can’t die

[gusty bone]

Thrall (technically)

[steep granite]

lmao

[gusty bone]

[steep granite]

we don't talk about thrall

[deep swallow]

%role
Owl (Neutral)
Can fly after it does it’s tasks. After it flies, it detonates the ship, killing everyone in it.

[green nacelle]

Thanks @deep swallow for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[zenith vortex]

How exactly do you counter this role

1. All it does is tasks, which is just like a normal goose
2. Unlike the pigeon, there is almost no good way to hinder its ability, your best bet is to hope ducks or falcon kill it
3. Both the ducks and the geese are not gonna be happy when this wins

[supple lantern]

%role
Crow (Neutral)

During non-meeting gameplay they can mark a single bird for murder by tagging like pigeon/silencer. If that marked bird goes to jail they immediately die upon loading. Crow wins after killing 3 birds this way.

[green nacelle]

Thanks @supple lantern for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[rain thunder]

Its really hard to get someone jailed by vote. If snitch is on, there is still a low chance they will get jailed

[supple lantern]

its meant to be hard

[rain thunder]

Also 3 birds needed to be killed that way? i think its almost impossible to win with it.

[supple lantern]

numbers can be changed, the idea is solid, neutrals are meant to be harder to win as

i don't really care i put in my idea i'm done

[grave spruce]

Imagine DUCK who could have unlocked all the sabotages fromm the start and would be could the Duckoneitor

[empty brook]

%role Ninja duck. When the duck stands still for a few seconds they disappear. Soon as they move they are visible again.

[steep granite]

As silly as it is, if it was made fair, that'd be really cool

[void halo]

I think that might be able to work, especially if they also lose invisibility if someone walks very close to them

Could also help shift the meta away from IMMEDIATELY reporting bodies

[steep granite]

maybe make it so they can only hide in some rooms?

button room would be too op perhaps

[empty brook]

I guess you could make it so if they are touched by another bird they show up. But it would take a cpl seconds to go invisible so you could still get caught. Plus killing or moving automatically makes you appear. Be kinda fun to play as one or hunt one lol

[supple lantern]

I could see them making birdwatcher able to see the invisible duck, and to make it where they have a slight cd after exiting invisibility to enable kill

kinda like how hopping out of a vent triggers a small cd

[shadow mango]

a goose killing assasin same as assasin but goose can guess neutrals and ducks

[gusty bone]

Oop
Looks like it’s that time again

Here’s a very long post I made about why that’s a bad idea:
#🐣︱classic-role-ideas message

[steep granite]

so basically too overpowered

[shadow mango]

got it

[sturdy heath]

%role moritcian balance:
buffs:
mortician can find and investigate professional bodies without triggering auto report
nerf:
Mortician do not have a report button
bodies that are investigated, with the exeption of celeberty goose, will become "disected"
Disected bodies, when reported, will not show the body that was reported
example:if red geese dies and mortician inspects it, then someone else reports, it will not show on the meeting screen who's body was found.
morticain still gets to know what red geese's role was though.

[green nacelle]

Thanks @sturdy heath for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[worldly monolith]

%role
Rooster and Chicken
negative and passive role.
One of them can be duck (Rooster) or both can be goose (Chicken). so the same mechanics as in Lover roles.

Their power is to 2× per game call each other. like on the space maps (Mother goose, etc..) when you use intercom. When one of them gets killed, the secind one is still alive but they loose contact with each other.
These roles cannot do the win together if they're not both ducks or both geese.
Rooster cannot kill chicken. Chicken cannot vote for Rooster.

[green nacelle]

Thanks @worldly monolith for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[fervent pasture]

%Role- Chicken (Neutral)- Can only win if they are the last player standing against a falcon or duck. The chicken must evade being killed the whole game and if they are the last one left in a round with one duck/falcon v 2 others. If the duck or falcon don't kill the chicken, then the chicken wins.

[green nacelle]

Thanks @fervent pasture for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[lethal leaf]

%role
Terrorist duck - You can undo cameras and microphone tasks by a sabotage task, then everyone can do that task again to reactivate the cameras/microphone (or not a role, and the base duck can do this, the camera guy with the rest of players togheter in security is anoing)

[green nacelle]

Thanks @lethal leaf for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[lethal leaf]

%role
Repairgoose - You can undo duck sabotage tasks, every task one time, you can't undo light sabotage task twice for example

[green nacelle]

Thanks @lethal leaf for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[white karma]

%role
Role : Judge
Team : Goose
A Role can bypass the voting system. where swapping player with another player.

**Judge ability : Vote swapping **
Swap the vote with another player.
Uses: 1 time per meeting
No swapping happen whenever the vote for both players are tied.

[green nacelle]

Thanks @white karma for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[shadow falcon]

is that from town of us?

[white karma]

idk i don't play that game

I just came up that idea

[deep swallow]

%Role
Watcher (Goose)
Has a little watch that is connected to the cams, but the battery light is so bad, it runs out in 10 secs. Luckily, it charges itself by you doing tasks. The battery will stay dead after you used the battery after you have don’t all your tasks

[green nacelle]

Thanks @deep swallow for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[shadow falcon]

well...they already did in town of us

[harsh meadow]

scientist duck: can teleport to a selected place twice per game (cannot do it in the same round, can vent)

[mint gale]

Immediately gives away its role.

Probably not good for social deduction

[harsh meadow]

sad

[supple lantern]

maybe instead of doors sabotage the scientist randomly teleports every player in a random position with a very very low chance they spawn in a death zone aka: in space, in the water in GC / MM, inside of an airtight crypt, etc... OR it could spawn everyone like it shows in spectator mode - around the button / table / statue equivalent for each map

[sturdy heath]

honestly, having the low low chance of killing someone is not very fun. it just makes a player mad that they died out of their major control.
Imagine if your were playing GGD, but after every single meeting, a random person would die. it would not be fun.
HOWEVER, the teleport players do be fine. Just not have the chance of undesirble, uncontrolable, death

[pseudo coyote]

give the hitman a gun whether (silenced or not)

stay with me because i mean a projectile of sorts that can hit from a distance it would allow hitman a way to get the target easier and make it harder on the body guard
cool down: i don't care probably 50seconds
probably shouldn't be silenced shot and should make a noise (scaring people with a gun)

i wonder how many will take this seriously (it isn't completely a joke, it is somewhat serious)

[sudden rampart]

i did not take it seriously

[pseudo coyote]

thats fair

[halcyon sphinx]

I have some ideas for some new roles: penguin

• goal is to get killed, not voted out, Swan - goal
  is to get a specific player voted out, dodo's
  can't be a swan's target, Ex-lover [goose]
  goal is to find a lover goose/duck and put a
  bounty on their head, Crow - poison everyone
  to win (poison kills the target 15 seconds after
  iniection, the crow has to be touching the
  target as well), Mayor [goose] - your vote
  counts for 2, investigator [duck] - can see
  goose footprints for 10-15 seconds. That's all I
  have, I don't know if they are good for the
  game or not, I just came up with these and
  thought they'd be fun and unique

[steep granite]

Penguin is just too easy to win with.

[worldly monolith]

%role
Dove
Passive role, Goose
Their ability is to see colourless white silhouettes of other birds and red silhouettes of corpses thought walls.
(Not the same as birdwatcher, birdwatcher sees players themselves and is not colourblind when using the ability)
Their ability range is a little more bigger that their vision range, almost full screen.

When you use the ability, you cannot move.
Ability duration: 5 seconds
Cooldown: (depends on number of players)
- 9 and less = 15 sec
- 10 and more = 20 sec

[green nacelle]

Thanks @worldly monolith for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[slow shuttle]

%role Scholar (goose) - Before the first meeting he has no special skill, but after the meeting it gets at random one of the unused geese roles in the game (he finish late his degree to get the role)

[green nacelle]

Thanks @slow shuttle for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[harsh meadow]

hunter duck: twice per game can shoot an arrow, if this arrow hits someone they die (if they shoot an arrow their kill cooldown timer gets set to half) they can vent

or huntsman duck, perhaps arcer duck idk

[mint gale]

This sounds a lot less like social deduction and more like fortnite 🙂

We're probably gonna steer clear of projectile weapon tactics

[harsh meadow]

sad

%role cupid goose: can put two people in love during the first meeting (its only a thing if lover duck/goose isnt ingame)

[green nacelle]

Thanks @harsh meadow for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[fervent pasture]

How about a Karategoose that fights back when tried to be killed maybe both (killer and karategoose) have to solve a puzzle or something like that and the winner stays alive 🙂

[supple lantern]

%role

Mad Doctor, neutral (Pigeon Alternative)

Win Condition: Infect Everyone... But unlike Pigeon their tags stick after every meeting, so you want to vote / kill them quickly... HOW though?

The Mad Doctor infects their pray with laughing gas... which causes their victims to spam farts, quickly... Infections only become active after a meeting. Mad Doctor can NOT fart at all, their farts are deactivated. The Mad Doctor can infect everyone in round one, but must survive at least one meeting to win.

-- Kina like a Gassy Joker, will you die farting or laughing.

[green nacelle]

Thanks @supple lantern for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[honest knot]

%role
Photographer, goose and duck
Photographer can take a picture anytime during gameplay and present them during meetings, however if its a photographer goose then they could edit people in and out of the photo.

[green nacelle]

Thanks @honest knot for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[calm hare]

and instantly get shot by the assasin

[honest knot]

i forgot assasin exists lol

[steep granite]

True but it could still prove useful

Maybe present it anonymously

That could be a counter

[honest knot]

well there would likely only be 2 people in the shot

idk assassin rarely came up whenever i played games

[steep granite]

Are you a frequent proximity chat player?

It seems that role reveals are more frequent when speech is faster

[slow shuttle]

there is people that keep the assassin active in all games, so must be one always

[honest knot]

yea

[steep granite]

Oh then that's odd, usually it's the reason people don't say their roles

[honest knot]

i usually only play in private games with 10 people and only a few roles off

maybe ghosts can still take photos

and just submit them without being able to talk

[steep granite]

No ghost communication is allowed

[honest knot]

ah

[steep granite]

It's the backbone of taking your whispers to the grave

[calm hare]

same reason there isn't any roles that bring people back and won't be

[fervent pasture]

%role
Role: Stalker
Affiliation: neutral
Victory Condition: Win if 3 or 4 jobs are matched depending on the number of players (the role is active only with 8 or more players)

• When voting, you can choose a job for survivors other than yourself.
  • If you match the job: You can know the job of the user.
  • If you can't find a job: Informs you that there is a stalker.
• Vent available
• No voting rights
• All given missions are fake

※ I am not good at English, so please understand that I use a translator. :)

역할 : 스토커
소속 : 중립
승리조건 : 플레이어 인원수에 따라 3 ~ 4 직업을 맞춘경우 승리 (8인 이상에서만 해당 역할 활성)

• 투표때 자신을 제외한 생존자 대상의 직업을 선택하여 고를수 있다.
  • 직업을 맞춘 경우 : 해당 유저의 직업을 알 수 있다.
  • 직업을 못 맞춘 경우 : 스토커가 있음을 알려준다.
• 벤트 사용가능
• 투표권 없음
• 주어진 임무는 모두 가짜

※ 영어를 잘 하지못해 번역기 사용하는점 양해 부탁드립니다. :)

[sudden rampart]

이 역할을 하기에는 너무 쉬울 수 있습니다. 작동할 수 있는 버전이 있습니다. 추측한 후 모든 사람은 이 역할이 얼마나 많은 정확한 추측을 했는지 알려줍니다. 그들은 게임에서 역할의 절반을 추측해야 하지만 죽은 플레이어도 추측해야 합니다.

[white karma]

%role
**Role : **Administrator/Leader
Team : Goose

Admin goose be able to check the individual task progress by any players including neutral. The task indicator will display in percentage. However, Admin goose be able to check once per round.

Admin ability : Task Manager
Cooldown : 20
Use: once per round. Reset every meeting.

Incase admin goose is checking the same target after meeting. The task indicator on that target will updated to new current value. The text will be colorized into green to indicate the positive change and if the task remain same percentage as previews check. His task will display in red.

[green nacelle]

Thanks @white karma for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[fervent pasture]

Oh I see. thanks for the reply

[fervent pasture]

Role:mom
team:neutral
goal:throw 4 slippers

the slippers will stun someone for 5 second and rewind their cooldown by 2 second(headache)

[green nacelle]

Thanks @fervent pasture for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[fervent pasture]

I don’t even use %

[harsh meadow]

%role the crow: (only in 10+ player lobbies) if they are alive in 1/3 of the lobby they win

[green nacelle]

Thanks @harsh meadow for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[calm hare]

do you mean if they are part of the last 1/3 alive? There isn't any counter to that role other than hoping you randomly kill the crow

[north pewter]

That just sounds like the falcon but way stronger

[harsh meadow]

falcon

[harsh meadow]

cant kill

[calm hare]

but you can counter the falcon because they can be seen killing, there is no indicator for the crow

It's a role that takes no skill to play, and really doesn't do anything in regards to it being a social deception game

[fluid current]

Sulfur hexafluoride duck: like party duck but it gives the target a much lower voice (and has a catchy name!)

[calm hare]

i mean, if they were going to do that, i'd say make it a goose so there is a voice changer on both sides

then again, if a goose managed to voice change their killer before they died, it coudl easily implement the killer

[broken rampart]

%role - Swan . Neutral. Ability (Passive): once per game if a Duck (and only a Duck) tries to kill the Swan, the attempt fails and the Duck dies instead. Win Condition: all ducks dead, must be only Neutral role left.

[green nacelle]

Thanks @broken rampart for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[broken rampart]

%role - Clairvoyant Goose - Ability (Active): Enters spectator mode for 5 seconds. While in Spectator mode they are vulnerable and cannot move. 20 second cooldown.

[green nacelle]

Thanks @broken rampart for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[fervent pasture]

role - Joker goose, description: create chaos & make everyone laugh

Neutral role

Win condition - If everyone is laughing with your werid gas
& have been marked with your symbol you win

Passive ability - your immune to your own gas

Ability:

1. can activate the door sabotage

2. if jailed can escape jail with a 50% chance with a lockpick... it's basically rng... if failed you be jailed for longer than usual...

3. You can set a gas grenade trap (cd 1 min) if it Tiggered the person who hit the trap the room be filled with gas & the person will start laughing for 10 secs ( unless the person leaves the room before it finishes filling up with gas) then after the person can't move for 1 second then be marked with a symbol saying they got hit by the gas
   But the mark will wear off after 2 meetings

Suggestion by: @fervent pasture

P.s.
Jester goose idea was scrapped 😔 but I put this for classic or classic+ you can add it if you want... sigh I guess I wasted my time....

Here the old idea & my original idea
role - Jester goose, description: entertain everyone till insanity, if you get killed you win the game

Ability (passive) - If killed you win the game, you have to be killed to win only & not voted off

Ability: can activate fake sabotages (the sabotages doesn't kill only scare them) & if jailed, it lasts 2 times longer

Suggestion by: @fervent pasture

P.s.
That my suggestion... we have a dodo why not a jester to bring more chaos to the game & ducks have to think who to kill now instead of just random killing...

Both ideas are by me, lazyknight

[green nacelle]

Thanks @fervent pasture for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[gusty bone]

The problem with “Get Killed to Win” roles is that one person can unknowingly end the game for everyone

With dodo, a majority has to decide to vote the dodo, but with jester, one duck killing one person means they lose the game instantly

[steep granite]

Exactly

We can't make it obvious either because it defeats social deduction

[fervent pasture]

It been edited look at it now

Plus why you have no role walliam?

🤔

[gusty bone]

Ima pigeon

[fervent pasture]

Interesting

I made a alternative version of jester in my post.. just if the my original suggestion gets declined

[sudden rampart]

there's no real play or counter play to it

and we dont want additional reasons to make ducks not want to kill

i'd suggest you give this al ittle read if you are curious at some of the factors we look at in the roles we add to the game

[steep granite]

I love that guide, wonder who wrote it

[fervent pasture]

Oh ok... it might help me... just tryin to give ideas without making it too op or a role that already exists

[sudden rampart]

well, to understand what truly is overpowered

you have to understand what we're looking at to determine something's power level

a role that randomly wins when killed is probably by our definitions, too powerful

because there's no real way to stop it

[fervent pasture]

🤔 oh I see

[sudden rampart]

the only way to kill them without losing is what.. voting them out?

so if they just played the game and did fake tasks, there's no way to detect them at all

anyhow, i'd take a look at the guide

[fervent pasture]

Oh ok I'll edit my idea after looking at the guide

See what I did wrong :/

I see now...

[steep granite]

I made a calculation recently, we can't have a role that does something on death or while getting voted, we can't introduce another killing role that does things because we already have a bunch. The only options that could be made are goose roles or interesting duck roles (atleast thats how I view the current game balance)

also no bringing back the dead

thats a big nono and ghost communication too

[fervent pasture]

I fixed it best as I can... just have to wait...... if it gets delined or not... I think my original idea is better in classic not classic+

[steep granite]

How does it win?

[fervent pasture]

It's just causes chaos & confuses every one... one sec I need fix one thing I see it

[steep granite]

So it can't way effectively?

[fervent pasture]

It's just a role to confuse everyone & create chaos... still trying to fix it... I'm Goin change a lot of stuff on it

[steep granite]

You don't need to modify your original post, you can make a new one too

its up to you,

[fervent pasture]

Ok

sigh it's done Alex

If you want to look at it

[steep granite]

Its ok

😄

[rocky rock]

I think Party Duck should have a helium voice in dead chat 😅

[sudden rampart]

silencer only affects meetings as well

ducks are very consistent

[gusty bone]

%role Announcer Goose/Duck
Has a 80/20 chance of being either a goose or a duck
Can broadcast one message anonymously from anywhere once per game
must repair the intercom first (always gets the task to do it)
The announcement has a dense robotic effect if voice chat is on

[green nacelle]

Thanks @gusty bone for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[calm hare]

Unless their voice was also disguised it would give them away instantly. And I would have no problem voting off that role whether they were goose or a duck because there isn't really a loss

[sturdy heath]

make the voice ethier higher or lower than normal to mask, and i think its perfect

[steep granite]

I was about to make a disabler goose role idea but its already been proposed

thought i should share because the tools we have with discord are amazin

[gusty bone]

Edit, now more likely to be a goose, and added a voice masking effect

[supple lantern]

%role

Gothic Goose -- Neutral, can win with geese: Win condition, be the last "goose" left alive. Permanently in "lights off mode"

Ability -- Upon finding a dead body they can choose to perform a ritual. If able to perform a ritual for 10 seconds they become possessed by a demon for 10-20 seconds; changing their form into a hideous creature and killing anyone nearby. As they move anyone that gets near them auto dies, this will auto report a Canadian. Can be used once per round. Upon being the last goose alive, Demon Hunt becomes active and they get possessed and gain powers till time runs out, maybe 1 minute?. If upon time running out they don't kill everyone else, then they instantly die.

[green nacelle]

Thanks @supple lantern for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[steep moth]

When it comes to classic+ roles: A kill should always work, otherwise players will think their kill button is broken. It also turns the game into more of an action game rather than a social deduction

[supple lantern]

if that was to my idea, its not a kill button, its a power up with an auto kill -- they only click to start the power up like Mortician lol

[steep moth]

Someone moved/removed their idea for a shield role, trying to make me look silly

[calm hare]

and everyone knows you don't need any help with that

[sonic prism]

I would think that if there would be a role that is immune to attacks it should be a one-off and you aren’t told immediately if you were attacked maybe at the start of the next round

[sudden rampart]

no shield roles

refer to the pinned message

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JHySGkJPkCGyTxHyU1jK7XAptCkam79RRgt_j-TFOY4/edit?usp=sharing

[sonic prism]

Yeah it sounds fine but in practice probably really frustrating

[sudden rampart]

the document isnt comprehensive

but imo it probably discounts like 99+% of suggested ideas

[sturdy heath]

%role
Announcment goose
“I’ve come to make an announcement…”
Can press the bell/button anywhere instead of reporting.
Reporting replaces button press
Still counts as a meeting

[green nacelle]

Thanks @sturdy heath for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[sudden rampart]

then its a provable role

and they can always prove their identity at will

[sturdy heath]

Then, make it anonymous

The opening statement is skipped obviously

[sudden rampart]

no

its a provable role

like i can be on the bridge and say

i'm going to call a meeting, becfause im the announcement goose

let me prove it to you

[sturdy heath]

Again, it counts as thier meeting. So they can’t call a meeting again

So thier wasting a meeting to prove thier role

[sudden rampart]

these things are not equal

it isn't a waste

it's worth a lot more value to the entire goose team to have people that can be cleared

if it existed and it worked that way, i'd have to give the assassin another shot, and practically guarantee that assassins are in every game somehow

[sturdy heath]

Yea true

[sudden rampart]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JHySGkJPkCGyTxHyU1jK7XAptCkam79RRgt_j-TFOY4/edit?usp=sharing

here, read this document

i've been inspired to create this bot command

[lavish crater]

Hey, I just suggested a role, can we add it?

No. Your idea is interesting, but it breaks one or all of the rules listed in the following document https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JHySGkJPkCGyTxHyU1jK7XAptCkam79RRgt_j-TFOY4/edit?usp=sharing . Feel free to give it a read if you want some insight into the roles that we would approve of

[sonic prism]

%role
Prankster Duck
Instead of traditional sabotages uses pranks to cause chaos. Maybe something like putting a bunch of pop up ads on the cameras, setting off false alarms, shuffling people’s tasks, reversing the direction of the teleporter, flicker the lights for a little bit, shuffle everyone’s controls and shenanigans of the sorts. Just because I thought while sabotages are helpful in directing people towards one direction they never contribute to much in terms of winning games so I thought just making them just annoying and not much more than that

[green nacelle]

Thanks @sonic prism for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[harsh meadow]

%role vengeful goose: if a meeting isnt called within 20 seconds the person that kills this goose gets killed (assassin doesnt count)

[green nacelle]

Thanks @harsh meadow for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[steep granite]

We can't have another role that jeopardize killing

canadian and celebrity are already enough + this could kill the vigilante

[sturdy heath]

Blind goose
A goose that needs another to find where it goes.
Has low vision, and needs to find the marked avain to see regularly
If the avain the blind goose needs to find dies, the blind goose gets a new target.
Just a thought.

[sudden rampart]

is this just a crippling weakness

[sturdy heath]

Yea, it’s just a though

Thought.

It’s dumb

[steep granite]

no because it is immune to light sabotage yes

[sudden rampart]

you can also close your eyes when you play

and be immune to light sabotage the same way

[steep granite]

crazy

[mint gale]

I always play with my eyes closed and all sounds on mute

[steep granite]

Is that a dev strat?

Got to be canon now

[sudden rampart]

honestly though

[mint gale]

It's how I win as Dodo

[sudden rampart]

i have given a thought to 'weaknesses'

i do think playing with that conceptually is interesting

it doesnt really work for classic plus

since most roles dont work that way

[steep granite]

it could be an actual classic - (og name of rejects)

like a someone who is deaf, another which is blind (in some way) and another which is mute

the rest could be random ideas that fit

[sonic prism]

Aren’t lovers kind of a weakness?

[sturdy heath]

Doesn’t every since classic + role have a weakness?

[mint gale]

Lover goose should murder themselves as soon as they realize their partner is a duck. It's arguably the strongest role in the game.

[steep granite]

do you guys really think that every role have weaknesses?

[sturdy heath]

It’s called balancing

[steep granite]

some are just ad ons, canadian beats the normal goose

exactly

[mint gale]

Unless it gets killed by a vigilante (it can make other geese worse)

It can end up costing a 2 for 1

[steep granite]

oh wow, that is true

still, birdwatcher is only a perk

its a normal goose with an ability (which restricts vision but..)

[mint gale]

Birdwatcher in the right hands is OP. I still have yet to see people use it correctly.

[sturdy heath]

Same with the mortician. You have to use the right strait to be able to find bodies and scan them.

Not saying there is one strait for mortician

[mint gale]

Everytime I play as mortician I almost always get at least one body.

Players who complain they don't find bodies or want arrows are not playing their role properly.

It's easy to find bodies as mortician. Just don't get caught in a dark corner.

The moments I do get a mortician ability off it's stupidly useful.

[sinful mortar]

What is the bomb duck?

[sturdy heath]

It goes boom

[steep granite]

It's an upcoming role called the demolitionist duck, you can see the rough idea in #850063497877913630

[sinful mortar]

Thanks

[sturdy heath]

^

[supple lantern]

somehow i usually die first as a mortician, and i just know they are saying "don't report it, we need the mortician!"

[sinful mortar]

The only way to stop the Demolitionist's sabotage is by reporting bodies?

[analog spire]

Seems like it. I personally would like for the demolitionist to force people to actually handle the explosives rather than report to stop

[sudden rampart]

alex is incorrect

neither of the descriptions in the prospective birds channel matches the demolitionist

a meeting being called will increase the timer of someone holding a bomb

but there's no way to get rid of the bomb other than by giving it to someone else

hot potato style

[harsh meadow]

%role photographer goose: once per round can take a photo and that photo can be seen in the meeting the photo isnt affected by any sabotages but if someone is behing a building then they obviously wont be seen, the photo is only seen if the photographer goose is still alive (when the photographer goose takes a photo everyone on the photo will experience a very fast flash, if the photographer goose is assassinated the photo can still be seen in the meeting

[green nacelle]

Thanks @harsh meadow for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[sonic prism]

Instantly confirmable. Either make it completely anonymous or add a photo duck that can edit a photo and present it to spread doubt.

[steep granite]

It's also already been proposed countless times

People should do a discord magnifying glass search before proposing ideas like that

[harsh meadow]

yes the photo goose will not be seen on the picture

[steep granite]

its not like the people it was with are fools

they know who was with them at that time

[harsh meadow]

yes but if they arent assassin what they gonna do when the meeting is called or if they have already killed?

[steep granite]

it depends on if the goose used the photo showing some kind of evidence

[harsh meadow]

they obviously wont waste the photo they wull save it for someone venting or something lke that

[steep granite]

yeah that's true but it would probably be a mortician kind of usability, very good role that has powers but suprisingly difficult to pull off (except if you're shawn, he's good with mortician)

[harsh meadow]

yes

[harsh meadow]

the lucky ducky: ability like detective, canadian and stuff like that dont affect them, they also have a shorter kill cooldown

[sinful mortar]

%role Cursed Goose: Once per round the ghosts can speak through his body. this would cause confusion and it would be fun to hear all the ghosts talking at once

[green nacelle]

Thanks @sinful mortar for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[steep granite]

No role shall communicate with the dead

Way too overpowered for normal gameplay

[sinful mortar]

Ok

%role Cursed Goose: A normal goose that if a duck or hawk tries to kill it it will transform into the role that tried to kill it. This can be very useful for the ducks and hawk when they are alone and it will make them look for the right goose to help them.

[green nacelle]

Thanks @sinful mortar for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it

[shadow falcon]

isnt that basically in ‎Wolvesville?

[sinful mortar]

It's a reference not a copy

[shadow falcon]

ok

[storm crescent]

What if there's a duck role called Viktor. When he kills someone or finds a dead body, he can resurrect it and the resurrected player will become a Franken Duck, who is a Duck that cannot speak, but can kill any goose/duck with a half of killer's kill skill timer. Also, this Duck's speed is slow (So walk, don't run.). Viktor can only resurrect one player per game to be Franken Duck. The only way to kill Franken Duck is voting him out or killing him. To balance Viktor Duck, Viktor's resurrecting a player shift skill is very slow, like double the Mortician's shift skill.

Feel free to revise it to make it playable or just for fun.

[steep granite]

So basically, a thrall

Not a bad idea but yeah, it exists in trick or treat

[sturdy wagon]

How about a JANITOR/CLEANER duck/goose? role can be GOOD or BAD. if GOOD then can only do cleaning tasks like dishes or dusting. if BAD then after a kill the janitor/cleaner can remove the corpse or clean up the evidence by hiding the body in a vent or nearby trashbin. however if a meeting is called before the body is disposed of/hidden it will be dropped at their feet when the meeting is over.

[sturdy heath]

we already have that role. its called the cannibal duck/vulture

eating bodies is the same as disposing them

[sturdy wagon]

yeah but this has some dif features so i can be reworked as needed

[mental oak]

i think mortician needs more. idea. id mortician inspects their first body it says who killed

[sonic prism]

@mental oak oh god please no…