#🐣︱classic-role-ideas

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lavish craterBOT
bright pond
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Speaking of lovers… could lovers be more than just regular geese in an unfortunate situation? It’d be cool if they could have roles like everyone else but still be a lover. Like having a pigeon lover and a vigilante lover. Dodos are the only ones who can’t have lovers

void halo
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They have stated they are not planning on having modifiers for roles

tawny dagger
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like flash that's a good modifier that everyone would like

calm hare
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Shotgun Duck

The shotgun duck can bust a cap in someone's butt. Even if he shoots them in the head, the bullet will always end up in their butt somehow.

buoyant crow
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It already is once you factor in sheriff, vigilante, avenger and duelling dodo

calm hare
bright pond
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Oh man, a real slaughterhouse where half the lobby can kill… that game will end all too soon

whole widget
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would be more like team deathmatch at that point

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except with three sides

fast night
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four sides

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theres falcon

calm hare
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might as well disable voting at that point and just see who kills who

bright pond
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gamemode idea right there I’m gonna put my own twists in it though

bright pond
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This role is inspired by the thralls a bit, and could be called either raven or crow, whichever is more suiting.
These will be their own team and will have restricted sight, not as restricted as thrall vision, but it won’t be like goose vision.
The player who starts with this role will be able to talk and everything like any other role, however, when they come across a dead body, they can turn the body to their team. Revived bodies won’t be brought back until after the next meeting, and to prevent them from telling who killed who, cannot speak.
Players on this team will only be able to turn one body per round, and can be killed again (but won’t come back, unless revived, in which case they will rejoin the team after the next meeting).
If that last part makes them too powerful, it could be changed so each person can only be in that team once.
This team wins when all killing roles are gone and there are more members of this team than non-killing roles.

I came up with this just now, so there may be some problems and imbalances in it

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I tried not to make it too easy or too hard

calm hare
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so they bring back other players as the thralls? that would be team swapping

bright pond
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No, the players brought back wouldn’t be thralls, they’d be the same team as the person who turned them (whatever the role gets named)

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It’s not fully like thralls, it’s more like a version of thralls that are better for classic gamemode

calm hare
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Still that does go against the "No Teamswapping" rule for classic

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The issue is this, say this necromancer role brings back someone. That someone knows who killed them and can then immediately target that person, reducing the threat overall without any need for deduction

bright pond
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Ah, didn’t know that was a rule
But I was trying to avoid letting killers be targeted by removing any abilities had before dying, and muting them

whole widget
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Then the revived person could still run circles around whoever killed them

calm hare
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pretty much, or just run straight to them if they have a kill button

bright pond
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Ah… I could think of more ways of stepping around that… but if there’s a rule against team swapping I’ll drop it

leaden daggerBOT
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you can swap dreams all you want, it's team swapping that isn't allowed dodo

bright pond
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Typo…

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Darn autocorrect

tawny dagger
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pilgrim (goose)
The pilgrim is the good guy version of the assassin they have to see things like somebody dragging a body or somebody double killing all by themselves those are suspicious things that gives a pilgrim an advantage but it's really hard to find other roles such as the identity fraud and assassin can just say that they're a pilgrim

viral dove
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As far as revival roles go, I still prefer my idea where the duck would possess a dead body and use that to walk around and kill. Just not sure about how to balance it.

tawny dagger
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it's a literally three stars

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traitor (duck)
The traitor will just be decided at the start of the game but they will not know they are the traitor/duck and they appear as a regular goose to the player and all the ducks will know that they are the traitor once all ducks have died the traitor's ability will activate they will be alerted that they were duck and unlock the kill ability and they must avenge the ducks

fervent pasture
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Control ( duck) this posses or control a neutral or goose to kill cooldown to kill 30sec longer the affect take 10sec to kill

lavish craterBOT
calm hare
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Roles that cause team switching mess up with player motivations

Again, this isn’t specifically something that can’t be balanced, it just complicates player behavior. On the surface, it seems like they’d be interesting roles, but the balance of Classic+ would be disrupted too heavily. There’s less incentive to complete your original goals if they might end up changing partway through the game. Note that part of this also stems from the way Classic+ is designed with tasks being used as a game timer, so roles that might switch teams or cause team switching could belong in alternate game modes.
tawny dagger
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it's not team switching they start off as a duck from the start of the game they just don't know it yet

calm hare
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Roles that disable another roles’ ability aren’t as good additions as roles that add abilities
It’s better to have a role with an ability that is an addition to the game than something that is a subtraction. First, disabling another player’s ability isn’t as fun as having your own. Secondly, it’s difficult to balance the feedback of a disabling ability. Let’s say hypothetically that you could block the ability of killers. Well, since it’s a game of social deduction, we can’t actually give you feedback or you’ll be instantly able to identify killers. Therefore, you have to get a cooldown when you use the ability over everyone, kill ability or not. At that point, you as the ‘disabler’ also don’t get any feedback about whether your ability’s working as intended. Thirdly, from the perspective of the player you’ve targeted, at its best you’ve made their role unfun. At worst, they’re going to think the game is glitched.
So overall, these aren’t good roles. It’s not a matter of game balance, just that they don’t really add fun gameplay.
An extension of this are roles where you control another player’s actions. Really you’re just disabling their whole game at that point and the lack of agency for a player on the receiving end of that sucks.

tawny dagger
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OK that makes more sense

calm hare
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and that's why the role document exists

tawny dagger
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well I forget easily too ;-;

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sometimes I remember things sometimes I forget

modern smelt
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Jumper(Duck):
The jump ward is secured to the desired position 15 seconds after the start of the round.
You can then move to a fixed position every 15 seconds.
Hacker(Neutral):
You can use sabotage.
Don't die until the game is over.
Haker time starts when there are less than 3 people left
You are not authorized to kill.

lavish craterBOT
wanton estuary
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"Collecter" goose:
Guaranteed green token after completing every task unless you die and any tokens collected before the last task have a higher chance of better tiers of tokens.
If killed by duck/neutral gives 2 grey tokens
Cant be assasinated
(Random idea, probably way too op for base game)

lofty crypt
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"Gamer"(neutral)
That role will can give a minigame for another player and if that player will fail then he will die but if he will win he will get bonus

bright pond
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What if the person is killed during the minigame?

gusty bone
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and maybe it only works from a certain range

bright pond
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What happens to the duck while it’s possessing a body?

whole widget
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I'm assuming it just stands there?

bright pond
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My idea for this (kinda gory) duck crawls in the dead body and controls it for a while before slipping back out

calm hare
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that would just be identity thief

bright pond
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Oh, true

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Only difference is the body would move with the duck…

whole widget
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the whole benefit of manipulating a dead body is that it leaves you out of sight/suspicion

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standing still is suspicious, but you can always play it off as being afk

bright pond
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Yeah, but that might backfire

whole widget
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yup

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If it's possessing a dead body though, it's only fair to have that as a drawback

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you'd be defenseless essentially

sudden rampart
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theres a similar dynamic i have for another role idea

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although they aren't possessing bodies

whole widget
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ah

bright pond
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What about a duck that causes an illusion or something to make it look like someone else nearby killed

pearl herald
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Saddest (goose)
The more people die the sadder you get you'll cry making puddles each death id one puddle you make

marble pier
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Phoenix: Goes around and doeses Geese and ducks in oil/fuel/or whatevers flammable around. Can only do thid 2 or 3 times before another meeting is called. Once someone is doused they can light all doused players once their close to one player, but everytime they dose, they have to wait like a kill cooldown

bright pond
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Why isn’t the mimic called the cuckoo, mimic and cuckoo are very similar in the respect of how they well, mimic

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Plus it’d fit the bird theme of the game

fervent pasture
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it is because cuckoo is a different bird species and the goose team is made from specialist geese

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all neutral birds is a different species

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Cataloguer goose
this goose in specific fights against neutrals and helps find out who is a neutral and what they are, they can see who the dodo votes for each meeting (only with blind vote), they can see if a bird is affected by pigeon 5 seconds after they got infected (but not see if they are affected themself), they can see if a body they find is killed by a falcon or not, will have arrow pointing to a body eaten by vulture or pelican

maybe it can have more simple effect like detective where once each round they can see if somebody is neutral or not, or something else, i think it would be interesting to have a goose role who fights neutrals more and not ducks

drifting light
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Way too much stuff going on at once with that one.

fervent pasture
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Solider ( goose) is a support it like sheriff it also die if kill a goose but like a sheriff it not like neutral only duck

drifting light
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So a weaker sheriff?

bright pond
tawny dagger
marble pier
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Ah alright

tawny dagger
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cockateel (neutral)
cockateel Will replace falcon in jungle temple they can activate their ability at any time their ability has a long cooldown and has a duration of five seconds the radius will surround the cockateel and if anyone gets into the radius there eardrums will explode because cockateel Make really loud noise there's a duration of five seconds so they have five seconds to kill a lot of people they can also kill invisible while they're invisible The radius is small and visible

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cockateel's goal is to murder everyone

tawny dagger
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crow (neutral)
crow has an infinite amount of fake tasks when they do one of them a random player will die so basically crow has to do tasks to murder there winning condition is to be the last one standing

gusty bone
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If they kill a random person by doing a task, then they just look like every other responsible goose, and I don't think a role that encourages a "Vote x, they were doing tasks" playstyle would be very healthy for the game.dodo

minor finchBOT
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This channel is for talking about role ideas for the game, for casual conversation please go to #💬︱general

drifting light
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Not to mention with how fast some tasks are, this could just kill multiple people the moment the game starts.

bright pond
calm hare
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For cockatiel there is already a duck role that was in the works, don't know if there are still plans for it to go in, that did the "kill a group" mechanic, the kamikaze duck only had one explosion though for balance

cosmic karma
lavish craterBOT
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The role you suggested is quite similar to one from modded among us!

It's possible that this inspired you, or perhaps you coincidentally developed a similar role. In terms of the general design direction, we're trying to build a different game and we aren't really looking to replicate the roles found in modded Among Us! But thank you for taking the time to make a submission, we love this type of community engagement

lost yarrow
calm hare
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the two share very similar mechanics

cosmic karma
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  1. I was going to point out the traitor(duck) is the same as TOU Traitor, but Kitzah has that handled, so it's all good 👍
tawny dagger
lost yarrow
tawny dagger
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arsonist (duck)
The arsonist can cover somebody in gasoline when a meeting happens everybody will be alerted that they're covered in gasoline when the meeting ends the person will be covered in fire their speed will be increased but if nobody finds the Fire extinguisher which will spawn randomly in the map The person will turn into a pile of ashes which cannot be reported but can still be Eaten by cannibal/Vulture. they have to find a fire extinguisher in 20 seconds

bright pond
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Someone’s obsessed with setting birds on fire

lost yarrow
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Although, it's not about burning a bunch of geese

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It's about sending a message. 👀

upper fiber
calm hare
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that would make it a neutral role, not a duck

viral dove
calm hare
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not particularly, was just making that known

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it is still a role idea with mechanics that have been suggested before though

tawny dagger
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you should add a roll exclusive to thanksgiving only called turkey
they charge at people to kill them and I will be exclusive to one day Known as Thanksgiving

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so you have to wait a year just to play the role turkey

void halo
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Probably not a wise use of development time to work on something only used for one day

tawny dagger
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I don't know it just sounds funny

calm hare
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also, which thanksgiving? the US? Canada? Liberia?

tawny dagger
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US

calm hare
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honestly, if they were going to do some kind of thing for thanksgiving it would make more sense for them to use the Canadian version given that the devs are, ya know, canadian

tawny dagger
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oh

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so then Canada

calm hare
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but as D20 said, it would be kind of a waste of time/resources to make something that is specific to only one day of the year regardless. I'd much rather see them working on other contents

tawny dagger
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so then why don't you just add it permanently as an audition for Thanksgiving

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oh or you can use it only for Thanksgiving break

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that sounds a lot more better

calm hare
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or they could just do like they do with most holidays across teh globe and release cosmetics specific for the holiday season

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going to be a year before the next thanksgiving in canada anyways

tawny dagger
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let's just stop talking about turkey and is there any issues with my role arsonist

lavish craterBOT
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The role you suggested is quite similar to one from modded among us!

It's possible that this inspired you, or perhaps you coincidentally developed a similar role. In terms of the general design direction, we're trying to build a different game and we aren't really looking to replicate the roles found in modded Among Us! But thank you for taking the time to make a submission, we love this type of community engagement

tawny dagger
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???

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what mod is arsonist inspired from

calm hare
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Among other actual arsonist roles in games

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And as I said. Arsonist has been suggested in one form or another since GGD started

tawny dagger
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.......

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I NEVER HEARD OF IT XD

whole widget
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People have suggested Arsonist, Penguin, Peacock, Owl, Flamingo, Parrot...

tawny dagger
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can you tell me where the peacock idea is

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I just wanna see it

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peacock (neutral)
peacock has the ability to charge and kill they can't even know clip when they're charging they go backwards slowly indicating that they're about to charge then they start rushing at the person to go for the kill

modern smelt
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Cuculus(Neutral):
You can use sabotage.
Don't die until the game is over.
Haker time starts when there are less than 3 people left
You are not authorized to kill.

lavish craterBOT
viral dove
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Sacrifice [Goose]: when you die, possible killers are tagged in the next meeting.

The initial idea was that either the row or column of the killer is lit up. Then I thought about if the killer was alone in the fourth row, for instance. So instead, 1/4 of the remaining lobby (minimum 2) gets marked in some way the next meeting only. One of those people is definitely the killer while the others are chosen at random.

modern smelt
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Fighting Cock(goose):

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If you die, you die with the person who attacked you.

lavish craterBOT
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@visual juniper

Rule 3

RESPECT your other Geese (or Ducks)!

visual juniper
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Oh! Sorry!

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Didn’t mean it hardly

minor finchBOT
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Not everyone knows of roles from other social deduction games and just because it exist, doesn't make it a hard "Nope" but odds are its already been considered. This is a place for ideas! happy

gritty swift
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Sniper:
This duck can kill players from extend range one per round, and won’t move toward the kill.

I don’t know who’s else to continue this

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Maybe a sound effect could be displayed to all ducks alerting the ducks a sniper is about to shoot nearby

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I’m struggling for ideas with the role

whole widget
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That would make it more fair, a warning that someone is targetted and about to get shot

gritty swift
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A red dot could be a cool detail

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I think it’s quite a good new Duck role I just cannot think ideas for it

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Im having a blank day

whole widget
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It's a bit tricky, though. It shouldn't be an auto kill, and people have mentioned that a kill stop won't be allowed

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So you wouldn't be able to avoid getting shot since that would be considered kill stop I think

spring egret
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Maybe like a red dot VFX could come from the duck to the victim?

faint goblet
viral dove
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It's not that strong if it dies in the final 4. There's 3 people left, and two of them would be lit up. If the number needs to be adjusted, I'd be OK with that. Maybe it always lights up 4 people as the possible killer, so if it lives too long, everyone looks guilty.

buoyant crow
upper fiber
calm hare
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It fills the same kind of position basically yez

lost yarrow
buoyant crow
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There's a few differences, the main difference being that the pigeon needs to do their sneezing in a single round, instead of over the whole game.

lost yarrow
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So the pigeon can only win at the end of a game

buoyant crow
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Nope. I've seen many round 1 pigeon Victories. Depends who gets killed and how long the rounds are

lost yarrow
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I guess

upper fiber
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Mockingbird
Neutral
Once per game, you can “Copy” a players roles. If they were another neutral or a (special role) goose, you steal that players roles when a meeting happens, and they die (or become a goose, up to you) after the meeting. If it was an duck, you die at the start of the meeting. You can only win by standard victory of the role you steal.

buoyant crow
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Team swap roles aren't considered for classic

upper fiber
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Aw

lost yarrow
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Soul Eater
Neutral
if you kill a player who had a special role, you can use their special ability once

buoyant crow
bright pond
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This role was in my map idea for a garden map, and I forgot to put it here (it could work with current maps without needing to add the garden map):

Hummingbird: a neutral role that collects flowers. Flowers have a chance to be dropped when someone does a task, or uses an ability (ex: the pigeon sneezing, invisible going invisible, sheriff killing). The hummingbird walks faster after not collecting a flower for a while. The win condition is to collect a certain amount of flowers which is dependent on the amount of tasks. There isn’t an arrow to point to a flower, and all players can see the flowers.

tawny dagger
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so it's sus when you see somebody sip past you

viral dove
bright pond
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Maybe after a while, flowers could be invisible to all players for 5 seconds

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That could work

tawny dagger
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grenadier (duck)
grenadier can throw a grenade in front of them The grenade will keep on going forward until the grenadier presses the detonate button and cause it to explode killing everyone in the blast. grenadier cannot perform normal kills

calm hare
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See latest dev log that was posted in #816356997564727367 regarding the Warlock, which is very similar to what you suggested

tawny dagger
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how about I change the format a lot

viral dove
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Phaser [Duck]: has the ability to teleport through walls.
When up against an internal wall, the phaser can instantly teleport to the other side. 10 second cooldown, replaces the ability to vent/hide.

tawny dagger
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OK I change the grenadier thing read it again

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grenadier was inspired by the bomb glove from slap battles

viral dove
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I'd probably add a maximum time limit on the bomb, just so it's not sitting there forever. Maybe a 3 second max?

cosmic karma
drifting light
sudden rampart
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it isn't impossible, it would just take more work than we want to do lol

viral dove
bright pond
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Just reading this, the code for it sounds like it’d be complex

whole widget
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They could maybe use the same type of effect that the portal uses in the basement, but that's a solid stationary object and the location where they appear at is random

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so I'm not sure how hard it would be to implement that with someone who keeps moving around and teleports to one specific place

bright pond
fervent pasture
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Inventor (goose ) the discover or reveal like the mortician I check body and the one who killed them the named poped out or said it to the inventor

viral dove
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There's not much deducing to do if you're told who did the kill.

lyric forge
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The Transporter goose. You place one teleporter in an area that doesn't activate until you place another one, and you can teleport (with a cooldown) between those teleporters by either stepping on it or interacting with it.
Maybe someone can improvise this and we'll se it ingame someday, even if it has a different name

It can also possibly only be enabled on the spaceship maps?

whole widget
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Investigator Goose

You can investigate a body once per round, and you get three names, one of which is the person who killed it. (Either it pops open right away, or in the next meeting on the side)

The other two names are randomly chosen from other players in the game.

last panther
drifting light
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In the role document, "speedy" goose is used as an example of a role that will not work

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Even as a neutral it is still iffy, since once again it removes the whole deducktion aspect.

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A speedy duck could work, but I would imagine you would want a duck with cool abilities over a duck that holds shift to sprint.

last panther
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And like it would be so easy to claim/counterclaim

bright pond
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I needed some way for people to find out about the hummingbird if it hasn’t collected a flower in a while

calm hare
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In the case of the speed boost being a negative that actually outs the hummingbird, I see that as more viable myself

chrome dirge
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STORK - Neutral

  • Collect bodies to win! (Number of bodies to collect is exactly same as bodies Vultures have to eat to win)

  • Once a body drops, the storks can collect and pile the bodies to a random given spot. (can be a different spot for each body or same spot for all).
    Once in the spot, no one else can see it.

Although, I am yet to figure out how they can move the body. If it’s like undertaker, can easily figure out, but can work like Pelican or sth ig.

Storks can be in competition with Vultures, in a way ig. or maybe they are similar roles.

ornate bluff
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Theif role is neutral and you can kill the killer to get there role can vent on all map

bright pond
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Changing roles is against the role creation rules

narrow smelt
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Maybe a thief neutral were the first player you knew kill you gain the ability of. Only the ability. Your win condition is the ducks but you can't vent...unless you steal the ability

calm hare
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Neutrals have their own win conditions
All the neutral roles have their own specific win conditions and win alone. Special roles like the Lovers are still Geese and Ducks first, and retain those as their primary win conditions.

drifting light
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If the wincon was with the ducks then it would be a duck

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Even then there aren't a lot of goose abilities that help the ducks. Getting the sheriff's kill basically only gives you a suicide button, for example.

narrow smelt
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Not with the ducks. I meant the same thing as the ducks. Be the last one standing similar to falcon.

narrow smelt
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But I guess to make it not just a better falcon the thief can only kill once per round

fervent pasture
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Liar (goose ) this goose use the vote to his advantage they have 3 vote and can vote the same person or different one all three vote are use he said a question that get from a other goose the liar know the true while the duck is convinced it not him

viral dove
fervent pasture
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But more votes be a waste

calm hare
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having more than one vote essentially turns that player into a "kingmaker" especially towards the end of the game when there are less players. This can unbalance the game by giving one player more voting power than another.

lyric forge
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What if the Cannibal was renamed to the Carnivore? I feel as though a Duck isn't a cannibal if it eats a goose, unless I'm an idiot. Plus, when it does happen to eat a duck's body, it's still eating meat right so it'd be a carnivore

calm hare
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But it does eat ducks when it can. Just because you are a cannibal does not mean you eat only the same species, just that you will when you can

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And nowhere does it say that the cannibal duck eats ONLY meat, which means it isn't necessarily a carnivore

fervent pasture
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Owl ( neutral ) it win conditions is eat and throw them out it work it like the pelican it eat it last 10sec then it throw you up as a bones or feets if he does eat and 10 sec are not up you live and can tell

calm hare
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so it's pelican with a handicap

chrome dirge
buoyant crow
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Seems reasonable for a map designed for it

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But what stops ducks/sheriffs camping the drop-off point and killing all who come near?

worthy silo
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Ostrich:
You put eggs over the map instead of killing the eggs are invincible or not to the geese and you can choose to blow them or something related to kill with the eggs

tawny dagger
worthy silo
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Owl: geese role that allows you to see when lights are off

tawny dagger
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Someone to just did that before you and the reasoning why was that it had a light advantage so it was not allowed

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and how owl is a neutral name

worthy silo
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Oh u see

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I was thinking not neutral but friendly and you can use that to help the team when lights are off

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Like astral or media

minor finchBOT
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If you haven't already check out the pinned role document

tawny dagger
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astral can't recognize colours

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cameraman (duck) cameraman can run extremely fast to get a kill Keep in mind when cameraman kill is done cameraman will unlock the normal speed

calm hare
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so for one, does this duck always run unless they have killed? and two, what does being a cameraman have to do with running fast?

worthy silo
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What about the golden chicken is a secret role that you don’t know you have but when you die you respawn and if you finish your tasks on that round you win the game or something like that

calm hare
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  1. No coming back to life, 2. that's pretty much the phantom from modded among us
worthy silo
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Oh sorry i don’t really played among us

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Okay so new idea for golden chicken

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Neutral role that hatch golden eggs

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In order to win you have to successfully hatch x number of eggs they take time to hatch and everybody can step on to brake them

chrome dirge
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the idea is how “Storks deliver babies” stuff.

whole widget
drifting light
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You mean you don't do extensive research on every single socd game in existance? Shame.

viral dove
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If it's always the same storage point, what stops a sheriff from waiting for the Stork? If it's not always the same point, how can people figure out who the Stork is?

chrome dirge
# viral dove If it's always the same storage point, what stops a sheriff from waiting for the...

my thought originally was different points just chosen randomly. it’s gonna be random every game. (within a game tho drop off can be one place or random, but every game it’s just different and of course, drop off point is visible to the stork only that too when he takes or bags a body).

they can figure out by catching them in the act of picking up. they can go and press space on the body, it’s gonna disappear then. like vulture.

this will essentially make it difficult tho for vultures to win, cuz now they have to compete for dead bodies.

sonic prism
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%role Feral(Goose): You can eat corpses to temporarily locate its killer.
The duration of the arrow lasts 5-15 seconds, lasting longer when the corpse is older up to 60 seconds. Only ducks are alerted while the feral goose is hunting for them, giving them an opportunity to escape, giving most killers counter play against the feral.

vale summit
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Kuy

viral dove
void halo
chrome dirge
dusky idol
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  1. screamer. His ability makes him talk soo loud that other players can hear him from other side of the map(but not entire map) 2) runner. Can run faster than others, but when he stop running he need to wait for a cooldown( more run= more rest) and maybe he slows down when running too much
viral dove
dusky idol
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Ok

chrome dirge
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ELECTROCUTER - DUCK (name could be ELECTRO, but its a dance style! I like Electro better tho!)

  • Kills by electrocuting 2 players.

How it works:

  • Electrocuter can handover one part of the ITEM (that can electrocute like a wire or sth) to one goose, say Goose A.

  • After another longer cool down they can handover the other part of this item to Goose B.

  • Once the item has been given to Goose A and B, if they meet they will get electrocuted and die.

Conditions:

  • The cool down time will be longer once Goose A receive the item, say normal cool down was 30 seconds, then the cool down will increase to like 40 seconds, before he can handover the other end of the item to Goose B). tried my best to keep it simple lmao

  • Cannot pass the item to many players at once. Its always 2. (Say if you wanted to pass the item to Goose C, Goose A will no longer have the item)

  • Cool down will remain 40 seconds, if above mentioned thing happens. But once electrocuted successfully, cool down will be normal for the first pass.
    hopefully understandable

  • Should geese know if they have the item, if a meeting was called? NO! or maybe YES. both could work as it can be changed. So maybe YES.

  • If Goose A got the item and a meeting was called, Goose A will still have the item after the meeting.

Could be interesting, but let’s see all the flaws with this one.

tawny dagger
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And the reason why I didn't reply for so long was because I fell asleep

whole widget
# chrome dirge **ELECTROCUTER - DUCK** (name could be ELECTRO, but its a dance style! I like El...

I see the idea behind that Electro Duck. It's clever.

A matter of positive and negative electricity colliding, right? Which results in that boom that kills them both.

If it leaves regular corpses behind, I imagine a lot of people will compare it to failed sheriff or a double kill.

It does sound like a slow role to kill people with, but I suppose the Demo Duck is the same in that regard.

Yeah, I don't really see a problem with this. I like it. It's a long set up, but it makes sense if it carries over between rounds.

bright pond
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Maybe corpses could be scorched to differentiate it from failed sheriff, or maybe corpses look normal for added difficulty on the geese

chrome dirge
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Thank you, Sir.

You are precisely on point, with the positive and negative electricity colliding. I just didn’t know how to put it into words.

I think regular bodies with a special kill animation.

Also, yah! carry over cuz takes a lot of time. ( I have had rounds where I don’t even reach 40 seconds when a body gets called)

Gotta be slow cuz 2 bodies at once.

chrome dirge
crisp heron
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Terrorist (duck) the Terrorist can place 1 c4 each round and when planting a c4 it takes 10 seconds,the c4 can take out multiple people, the c4 placement has a 60 second cooldown all the players are notified if a c4 has exploded by the explosion sound

whole widget
crisp heron
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It's not a trapper it's a terrorist

whole widget
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I mean the whole place a trap (in this case C4 in a spot) in a hallway thing. It's essentially the same like placing a tripwire down. That's what I mean by trapping

calm hare
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Also the fact that it kills pretty much entirely by luck

calm hare
whole widget
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It's like a Ninja/Demolitionist combo in a weird way

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maybe Ninja/Pigeon is a better comparison

calm hare
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Like I said, it is an original idea, and I do like it, but I just question as to whether it would be fun to play. If you got this role as a solo duck it would be even harder to win with than the demo

chrome dirge
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One of these days imma get it done right 😅😅

bright pond
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Yea, but it’s be harder for people to pin you as the killer, because as demo people could tell if you have them a bomb

whole widget
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Hey don't discard the idea just yet

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we can try to think on how to improve it

chrome dirge
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Alright! yessir

bright pond
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It’s better than demo when in a small lobby

whole widget
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I'll brb but I may figure out stuff to improve it

chrome dirge
bright pond
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Ooh, that’s a neat idea

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Hold up

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I’m gonna make a map idea that could be the origin of this role, if you don’t mind ofc

chrome dirge
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if Ninjas can hide in hallways for reducing their Cooldown, Electros do that in the Dark.

chrome dirge
bright pond
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Alright, I’ll try some ideas

whole widget
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oh I do like that gimmick

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like he's 'charging up' his ability like a battery with the lights out

bright pond
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Alright I finished up my ideas for the map, also made a little origin story for how the duck and location are connected

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Wanna make sure you’re ok with it first @chrome dirge :

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This duck comes from a lake with a nuclear power plant sitting nearby. The duck was exposed to both radiation and electricity, giving it the ability to generate electrical charges. The duck would then seek revenge by using these charges to kill the geese that built the power plant. After getting his revenge, he seeks to continue killing geese.

whole widget
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sounds good to me

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that would mean the duck is exclusive to the map though

bright pond
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Then he goes out and kills more, after the power plant

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I could add that bit

whole widget
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okay

chrome dirge
glacial surge
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Yea

fervent pasture
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Arson (duck) this duck can get burn multiple geese or neutrals if they get out someone that round

last panther
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What does "get out someone that round" supposed to mean?

viral dove
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I'm guessing they mean if someone was voted out, but I'm not sure how common that'd be.

fervent pasture
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Curling Duck
When the curling duck kills an goose then the body will be pushed until it hits a wall in the direction that the duck kills the goose from, but you have a button to disable it like disabling entering fog on temple map

This has ways to be played around with, for example if somebody is behind you and you kill person in front of you, the body will be pushed faster than normal run speed, maybe 1.5x, so that you can find the body together with the person behind you

gusty bone
fervent pasture
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that would be funny haha

gusty bone
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I like this, it has a specific and helpful use case (it helps get yourself far away from the body faster) with a specific weakness (it shows any passersby of the crime the direction of the murder, and makes the body more likely to be found)

fervent pasture
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maybe it should not have button to turn of actually

gusty bone
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Yeah that’d be funky dodo

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Would give it a bit more risk

narrow smelt
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What about the chicken. Neutral. The chicken can mark a target. The chicken can again press that button with a 25 cool down to make every non goose have a target on them. They can all kill them. Whoever kills them gets bonus tokens at the end of the game. The can activate this ability once per round. They win if they kill 2 marked players. They can only kill marked players

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The number of players they need to kill would work like vulture.

fervent pasture
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I think that would be better if you could just mark one person per game, and do a first to kill wins, the prize could be a double vote the following round. you could call it an evil role, it would be able t vent, since it can only kill once.

narrow smelt
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Sounds good. I just wanted to make a chicken role.

fervent pasture
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Hunter ( duck ) he like a hit man/ lover he find kill all his target a decision by voting from his assistance they both win when they kill all their prey

woven topaz
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Reverse dodo lol

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Reverse dodo with a list thats legit all it is

marsh barn
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Classic Role Possibility:
Role: Chicken (Neutral)
Goal: To survive until the end of the game. Wins with both team Geese and Ducks. Loses to all other Neutral roles.

minor finchBOT
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Hey, I just suggested a role, can we add it? No. Your idea is interesting, but it breaks one or all of the rules listed in the following document https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JHySGkJPkCGyTxHyU1jK7XAptCkam79RRgt_j-TFOY4/edit?usp=sharing . Feel free to give it a read if you want some insight into the roles that we would approve of

Google Docs
Designing Roles for Classic+ Living Document1

Herbert’s Living Document For Designing Classic+ Roles Why are you designing a role? The first question to ask is why you’re designing a role. Although wanting to introduce a new and fun role to Classic+ seems like an obvious reason, but a fair number of people are suggesting roles just as a cr...

gusty bone
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Neutrals need to stay neutrals, if they gain the ability to win with other teams then they aren’t neutral.
If they gain the ability to win with all teams, they become the kingmaker. (Think, that one vulture which gave up late game and decided to help the geese. That, but ten-fold)

woven pecan
marsh barn
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Like the name of this room states. Ideas.

gusty bone
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We weren't dissing your idea, just explaining how it didn't work in terms of GGD.
We were trying to help with the collaboration, idk were you got the idea of us dissing you about it came from.

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Like I've said many a time before here, and will say again: There are no bad role ideas, only ones which don't quite fit GGD
I've played a good couple of Social Deduction games with a "wins with everyone neutral" and they're all fun and I enjoy the contributions they make to the meta's of those games. The Devs of GGD have just stated that they think the negatives outweigh the positives, and thus don't think they'd work in this game.

marsh barn
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Heard it before from the bot. I get it. I'm sorry about the response. Just having a bad day.

gusty bone
faint goblet
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Name: Aahhh goose
Team: goose
Ability: when killed (not eaten by pelican) the upper half of the body lays on the ground while the lower half of the body can still run around (player has no vision) for ten seconds.

Or the top half can just follow the ghost of the deceased for ten seconds, but I think it makes more sense if they couldn’t see anything, other than maybe walls. And they are dead, so no meetings won’t save them and can’t talk while running around.

I can’t really think of a name. Homeostatic goose? I’m basing it off a chicken’s ability to run around without a head, but want the ability on the geese side so can’t call it a chicken. I suspect geese could somewhat do it, since it’s just muscle spasms and even humans kinda move after death, even if snakes and chickens are the animals most famous for it.

Gonna be great when invis does a drive by

faint goblet
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Also what are people’s thoughts on a duck who can get one kill after death? Like regardless of the cooldown, they either their killer out with them, kill whoever walks over their body next, drop a grenade that explodes a few seconds later, or even if just the demo duck gets a buff and when they’re killed, regardless of their kill cooldown, they pass a bomb to whoever kills them (or pelican if eaten) which activated instantly instead of later. (Though having two bombs on the same person should be considered.)

lyric hatch
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Idea 💡

Raven
Neutral
Only has fake tasks until killed then can kill from beyond the grave. Only has ability if killed by neutral role not by ducks. Cant do sabotages. Long cooldown between kills. Wins if kills all remaining neutrals and ducks.

Magpie
Neutral

Wins by picking up set amount of randomly spawning treasure and surviving as lady neutral. Can kill once per game.

Bomb disposal goose
Goos

Foil for demolitionist. If gets bomb can defuse it if has enough time and can see once per round who gave them bomb. Doesn't see who the demolitionist is only who had the bomb before them.

Cuckoo
neutral

Like morphing but change appearance of other geese/ducks instead of themselves. Wins by changing a set no of characters who are then killed by others. Characrer who is changed is muted until end of round. Change is not instant break before change like bomb starting ticking

lyric hatch
minor finchBOT
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Hey, I just suggested a role, can we add it? No. Your idea is interesting, but it breaks one or all of the rules listed in the following document https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JHySGkJPkCGyTxHyU1jK7XAptCkam79RRgt_j-TFOY4/edit?usp=sharing . Feel free to give it a read if you want some insight into the roles that we would approve of

Google Docs
Designing Roles for Classic+ Living Document1

Herbert’s Living Document For Designing Classic+ Roles Why are you designing a role? The first question to ask is why you’re designing a role. Although wanting to introduce a new and fun role to Classic+ seems like an obvious reason, but a fair number of people are suggesting roles just as a cr...

drifting light
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Creative ideas though

lyric hatch
faint goblet
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I kinda wished the bot pinged the comment it was referring to cause either the whole duck killing after death is too close to kamikazi duck, or the headless goose is too close to a chicken which is neutral or the headless goose isn’t worth the effort cause it won’t do much to the game other than them being able to put their body in a place easier for geese to find or just be hilarious to see.

narrow smelt
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It really would be hallarious. But what a bout getting bombed? Just smoked feet running around?

hardy creek
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A role called idiot where you have to be killed by the duck to win.

lavish craterBOT
hardy creek
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A role that makes everyone a random color and no name so you can kill without anyone knowing.

void halo
viral dove
hardy creek
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Ohh

buoyant crow
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void halo
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Maybe as they're inside that area, a visual effect creeps in from the edges of the screen and maybe the screen even starts to turn red or something
whole widget
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well I didn't read that part, but I'm glad I was on the same page with you there

calm hare
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Jenso making Thor sad

fervent pasture
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Raven ( neutral) win conditions trap you they can kill multiple the trap is a pit off

lavish craterBOT
faint goblet
toxic cloud
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Role: Tagger or Bounty
Team: Ducks
Win Condition: Win with Ducks

Information: The Tagger/Bounty is a duck that can tag one player per round for their teammates to kill. The tagged player that is killed will result in the ducks receiving a bigger bonus at the end of the round.

Tagging (and killing) the gravy goose would double the bonus while doing the same to the others would result in a bonus similar to the current gravy goose kill bonus.

The Tagger/Bounty Duck however would not receive a bonus for killing a player they tagged. Instead their teammate would have to kill the tagged player. The tagged player could be symbolized by a specific color or have the player show up in the HUD of the ducks. A tagged gravy goose, if killed by the Tagger/Bounty Duck, would only result in the normal gravy goose kill bonus.

Here's a twist. If a vigilante, falcon, or pelican kills a tagged player, they receive the kill bonus.

The tagged player would no longer be tagged after a body is reported or a meeting is called. Once the Tagger/Bounty Duck tags a player, they can then vent. Similar in operation to the Party Duck.

narrow smelt
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What about the unmasking goose. Faction goose: how they work is whenever they are killed everyone that sees the duck for an amount of time knows they are duck. This only works on ducks. Maybe there name could turn red or something

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I don't know if this is too good for geese though

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Or maybe the could quit literally get unmasked so the have a duck face

drifting light
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Geese roles that just tell you outright who a duck is is a huge nope for classic, I'm afraid.

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The investigatives in this game are geared towards giving useful info without just returning yes when asked if this bird is a killer.

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Mortician can give you someone's role with 100% accuracy, but only if they are dead, and you have to find the body first.

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The detective can see if someone has killed, which usually means they are a duck, but they could also be vigi sheriff or worse a dueling dodo.

viral dove
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viral dove
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My point was more that the mortician can't be instantly confirmed, either. In general, any information revealed is only shown to the player, not to the lobby. The closest that comes is the Celebrity.

drifting light
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Any role cane be faked, some may be easier than others but the arguement of "they could be lying" can be applied to any role. I was simply giving examples of how these roles are powerful investigatives but usually have some kind of catch or drawback to them. Being able to reveal to the entire lobby who the duck is just becauae they killed you is too little of a drawback for such a powerful ability. It is baaically a better detective and a better canadian

gusty bone
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roles that instantly out someone as their role are a no go, as it makes the entire game to be around them. If a role could instantly out the ducks on death, then what’s the point of playing the Canadian? That one you can talk your way out of or play off, but this just tells everyone “X IS DUCK”

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When you’re making a role, a good idea is to have your foundation be simple enough as to be easily countered by a useable situation.
Canadian makes you report after a second? Well the Professional can’t report bodies, and the Cannibal can’t report a body it’s already eaten.
Morphling can easily frame someone? Not if they get followed to have people see them de-morph.
Identity Thief makes you unable to be caught? Well not when the geese start talking and realize that no one has seen you since the last meeting.

drifting light
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Plus, the identity thief may protect you from watchful eyes, but it cannot protect you from a cold bullet. Or a hungry belly.

mint hollow
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Had an odd idea for something that is sort of like a variant of the Canadian.

Occultist Goose
A goose who, when killed, curses their killer to reduce the walk speed of their killer by 50% for an amount of time equal to the standard kill cooldown.

So a killer has a harder time fleeing the body and might have to report it themselves just to get rid of it. Or they could try and flee, but if they're seen walking slow it can make them suspicious. But there are also counters to this, killing near hiding spots means the killer can potentially just jump into the hiding spot.

The presence of this sort of goose can cause the ducks to have to consider their escape from a kill a little more carefully before they make a kill on the chance that their target might cause them this debuff, changing the dynamic. It makes areas near hiding places far more attractive kill zones as the duck can use that to escape if needed, while out of the way places may not be a bit more risky because getting out of there slows you considerably.

Extra bonus points, if someone claims Occultist in private to someone, you never know if the person reporting the body of the Occultist is self-reporting to get rid of the curse, or if the killer managed to get away and left the body for someone else to find.

bright pond
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I think changes in walking pace are forbidden

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not sure, but i think so

void halo
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A role with the ability to make themselves go faster is generally not allowed in Classic. This would be a different matter

bright pond
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oh, ok

void halo
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You could always just move slower and claim you killed the Occultist, though that wouldn't really benefit you

viral dove
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Some people just walk slowly around the game world, too. Great to set it up for possibly killing the Occultist that way.

mint hollow
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There are a lot of mind games you can play. A Dodo can find a body and just... walk slowly away from the body and hope they get caught walking slow

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What amuses me about the idea is there are so many things it could be that the role is countered by just mindgaming it up

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Which feels appropriate in a social deducktion game

bright pond
mint hollow
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It could benefit you if you're a duck and someone is claiming Occultist and now you get to go "They can't be Occultist because I took a vig shot on X and they were Occultist!"

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Which I admit is a pretty niche situation

tawny dagger
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Stalker (duck)
The stalker is literally an evil version of birdwatcher

bright pond
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sees everywhere except a certain 20 or so degrees?

mint hollow
drifting light
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It's the 1st version of the bw. You start in flashlight mode and seeing through walls. Then activate your ability to see everything currently on your screen for a short while.

fervent pasture
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Canadian Duck
When sheriff kills canadain duck, the sheriff report automatically

mint gale
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Why stop there, Canadian Dodo, or Canadian any role. Maybe we just add a flag, isCanadian == true, then report

gusty bone
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I can see it nowdodo :
Introducing Modifier (singular) into GGD:
Canadian

meager bone
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Wizard Goose

Once per round, this goose can provide a shield that protect one goose/neutral/duck from getting killed that last 30 seconds.

If someone tries to kill a goose while protected, a shield effect will be shown and the shield will break.

mint hollow
# meager bone **Wizard Goose** Once per round, this goose can provide a shield that protect o...

This is actually covered in the pinned doc:

Roles that disable another roles’ ability aren’t as good additions as roles that add abilities
It’s better to have a role with an ability that is an addition to the game than something that is a subtraction. First, disabling another player’s ability isn’t as fun as having your own. Secondly, it’s difficult to balance the feedback of a disabling ability. Let’s say hypothetically that you could block the ability of killers. Well, since it’s a game of social deduction, we can’t actually give you feedback or you’ll be instantly able to identify killers. Therefore, you have to get a cooldown when you use the ability over everyone, kill ability or not. At that point, you as the ‘disabler’ also don’t get any feedback about whether your ability’s working as intended. Thirdly, from the perspective of the player you’ve targeted, at its best you’ve made their role unfun. At worst, they’re going to think the game is glitched.
So overall, these aren’t good roles. It’s not a matter of game balance, just that they don’t really add fun gameplay.

meager bone
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Oh ok

mint hollow
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I suggest checking the pins for a guide to what sort of things they're looking for, and what is helpful to think about when considering an idea. Note that posting "bad" ideas here isn't a big taboo nono or anything. Sometimes "bad" ideas can inspire other ideas or discussions which can be insightful or helpful.

whole widget
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yup, that's a kill stop and that's a hard no

lost anchor
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Seagulls (A Team of Neutrals)
Seagulls always appear in a group of three and on their own don’t do much. However if they manage to sneak up on their prey in their typical group of three, they are granted the ability to turn their role into a seagull as well. ( This ability can be used twice per round ) and their objective is to turn everyone into a seagull throughout the rounds. If one seagull dies only two are required to turn someone into a seagull and if two seagulls are dead, only the remaining one needs to turn someone into a seagull.

drifting light
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Team swapping is something that won't be happening in Classic/Draft. Closest we will get is the Trick-Or-Treat mode.

lavish craterBOT
bright pond
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I have an idea for a pair of roles
Poisoner (duck) - can poison geese and neutrals, and the poison takes 45 seconds to paralyze (no movement or talking). The player will die in 15 seconds after being paralyzed. If a meeting is called while someone is paralyzed, a poison bottle will be on their banner like how a skull appears for dead players, and the paralyzed person cannot speak.

Doctor (goose) - will see a poisoned symbol over poisoned players (goose or neutral), and can give the poisoned player an antidote to get rid of the poison. If they are poisoned they won’t be able to give themselves the antidote however

drifting light
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A few things:

  1. If the doctor can see if someone is poisoned, then that player is 100% confirmed not to be a duck. Roles that can do this are generally unfitting for classic/draft
  2. The doctor is a killstop. If the ducks press the kill button, someone is dying. Roles that disrupt this don't really fit for classic/draft
  3. Roles that add things are better than roles that take things away. If someone suddenly can't move or speak then at best you make them a bit frustrated and at worst they now think the game is bugged.
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I do like the direction you are going, it's just that this won't really work for classic

bright pond
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Hmm

drifting light
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I already see too many people become confused and think I am cheating when I put them in time-out as pelican laugh

bright pond
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Lmao

spring cedar
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I take it there's a reason why an Executioner-like role hasn't been added yet? "Feels bad to lose to" reason?

whole widget
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They're trying to steer away from copying roles from Modded Among us

spring cedar
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To be very fair, Town of Us stole it from Town of Salem. :V

drifting light
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Also it would be kind of frustrating to have a great duck game, vote out someone for the win, only to lose to an executioner that has been dead silent. With dodo it works because that player is actively trying to get themselves voted. With exe it can just become luck for if your target's nane is thrown up.

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If exe won along side the winning faction then it would be mich better, but that's not how ggd neutrals work.

spring cedar
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Like I said,
"feels bad to lose to" reason

drifting light
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As much as I hate summing up my opinion to that specific reason, I can see many many many moments where a random exe win just kind of kills everything.

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So that is my main reason for why an exe role without some kind of major change wouldn't work.

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Maybe if it was closer to the Scorned from Throne of Lies, where you have to mark someone and then get them voted out, and do that a few times.

spring cedar
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I think you could possibly have some design space with an Exe-like role that cannot vote their target and cannot skip, though overall yeah.

Might also step into the Dodo's role if the Exe -> Jest mechanic sticks around.

drifting light
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That's kind of the flip side of the coin. Let's say you're the exe and the first person to die is your target. Then what? Like you said earlier things would get odd if you become dodo, especially if there already is a dodo or even a dueling dodo pair.

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So do you just kind of... lose?

void halo
buoyant crow
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Not really.


Attributes: Your target will always be a crew mate, and after you trick the crew into ejecting your target, You may Capture 1 of people who did not vote your target, Into a secret room where you be linked after ejecting your target, And when you enter that room, You may kill that guy, You may only do this once after your target is ejected, And only you will be accessed to that room. If your target dies any way than ejecting you will become a imposter that can only sabotage```

GGD Hitman
```kill your target for a bonus```
drifting light
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If you stretch if enough, you could say hitman/BG is kind of GA/Exe

spring cedar
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The original Executioner from ToS was a neutral evil role whose only goal was to get one of the uninformed majority lynched. If their target died in some other way, they would instead become a Jester and change plans to get themselves lynched. Once their target is lynched, all they have to do is sit around and wait for the game to end because their win condition is fulfilled- this lets them work with mafia or other neutrals, although they have no direct line of communication.

Executioner in Town of Us, the AU mod inspired by ToS, has the same goal: get a specific crewmate ejected. Unlike ToS, the game immediately ends upon the ejection, which means the Exe can't work alongside impostors or other neutrals to achieve a win.

I think, if there was to be an Exe-like role in this game, it'd have to get more than one goose voted out. Possibly this as a description?

Cuckoo
Mark a goose and get them voted out. Do this # times to win.

bright pond
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mark? like kill?

spring cedar
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No, because if you kill someone you can't vote them out. :V

bright pond
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confused, but cool

spring cedar
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The idea is you'd have an ability in the round to pick someone, and then you'd have to try and get them voted out later. Possibly with a requirement like Mortician, where you have to stand still for a moment so you can't just mark someone running away from/standing near a body and then immediately start accusing them in the next meeting.

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The biggest hurdle, I think, would be when you mark a neutral or duck- these shouldn't add to the Cuckoo's win counter because those are targets that geese want out naturally.

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So the Cuckoo would have to have some sort of feedback for when their marked target turns out to not be a goose. An in-game counter could fail to increment after a marked target gets voted out, for example.

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I think there's a good idea here, but it's very unrefined.

spring cedar
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Dodo would win, because the Cuckoo's goal is to get marked geese voted out. Not ducks or other neutrals.

sudden rampart
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it plays out pretty weird

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with the idea of the falcon or falcon alternatives, there is no alignment of goals, on average

buoyant crow
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What if instead of winning after successfully marking and ejecting x amt geese, the role is instead a duck and gets a map specific bonus like access to a secret area or shorter cooldown or an extra sabotage?

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Gives you some extra agency in making sure your marked target doesn't die as well, at the risk of somebody overhearing you tell your duck partner who not to kill

sudden rampart
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a bit convoluted

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the executioner itself isn't the worst idea in the world, but probably not something i'd want too much of a version of

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definitely shouldnt coexist with the dodo, but even if it serves as a variant, its probably too hard to detect in general

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and combined with ducks, at a lot of numbers thats just too many aligned anti-geese roles

fervent pasture
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Raven ( neutral ) win conditions is get target kill or vote win a bonus if they succeed voted him out he win a bonus but it get him kill u doesn't win any bonus

narrow smelt
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coughexecutioner cough

lavish craterBOT
tawny dagger
spring cedar
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Yeah :V

tawny dagger
fervent pasture
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Crow ( neutral ) win conditions lawyer yes it the lawyer but he can defend duck and goose when there client dies they give a new but if his client get vote out they dies so instead of their client

tawny dagger
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Guardian angel town of Salem

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and neutrals win alone

lavish craterBOT
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The role you suggested is quite similar to one from modded among us!

It's possible that this inspired you, or perhaps you coincidentally developed a similar role. In terms of the general design direction, we're trying to build a different game and we aren't really looking to replicate the roles found in modded Among Us! But thank you for taking the time to make a submission, we love this type of community engagement

tawny dagger
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penguin (neutral)
Penguins goal is to be the last one standing. penguin will replace falcon in the jungle temple. penguin will have a inject button when they use the button after 10 seconds the person will die. if a meeting is called they will immediately die.

calm hare
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So neutral demo with no counter

tawny dagger
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it's just falcon with a delayed kill

marsh barn
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That's actually not a bad idea, but it would be better off on the ducks side.

calm hare
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The ducks already have the demo

tawny dagger
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but then it would be more similar to among us modded

marsh barn
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The point is so it's not among us.

sonic prism
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Delayed kills feel very cheap. Nobody likes randomly dying to a vampire bite in trick or treat

tawny dagger
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The personal still know who killed them

marsh barn
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And it goes against the GGD Guidelines.

void halo
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It's probably a good idea to review the role document and put forth ideas that have been well thought out, not forced

marsh barn
tawny dagger
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if I do I'm just probably gonna forget about it later

marsh barn
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Then just read it over when you have a role idea to make sure it doesn't go against it.

tawny dagger
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ok

sonic prism
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%role VIP(goose): All ducks know your location. Ducks need to keep you in their vision to prevent being penalized for killing you.
Ducks always get an arrow pointing to the VIPs live location like the Serial Killer. Above the VIP itself is a 10 second timer visible to ducks that counts down while in sight. If a duck wants to kill the VIP successfully, they have to keep the VIP in their sights for 10 seconds before the timer above the VIP transforms into a reticle, allowing for a normal kill until the VIP leaves their sight again. If a duck decides to be too hasty and kill the VIP without stalking, their next cooldown is doubled.

marsh barn
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Pretty interesting.

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Think it needs an ability for the VIP to counter the ducks though.

sonic prism
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The penalty usually keeps killers from randomly stabbing you point blank, so if the VIP consistently sees the same few players lingering nearby, they be hinted towards who the ducks are, I think that's good enough counter trigger happy ducks.

marsh barn
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True.

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Depends I guess.

buoyant crow
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The issue with delayed kills in there's no way to know who did it. The demo has the unique tell that the bomb can be heard and passed around

dusky idol
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Yesterday i voted out 2 bombers. It was easy

faint goblet
whole widget
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While the VIP Goose is a unique idea, I think I'd constantly be paranoid and anxious if I know there's possibly 3 ducks being able to track me down anywhere lol

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It already does that for me when I'm dueling dodo

viral dove
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I will also point out that I believe VIP is the internal name for the Hitman's target, but renaming the role is a minor issue overall.

sonic prism
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Thanks for the fun fact. I didn't really think the name mattered too much but I thought it was fitting for such a popular target

fervent pasture
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Soldier( goose ) they reveal a role if the person they vote die that round even if u not only vote who vote for them

drifting light
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So, they can reveal someone's role AND vote someone out just by themself?

void halo
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I think what they mean is, if you vote a person and they die during the next round, you'll see what their role was at the next meeting

drifting light
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That makes more sense, still seems quite a bit strong for me.

buoyant crow
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Goose roles are less powerful than ducks for balance (there's far more geese than ducks)
Pretending for a moment the role made it in game, I don't think 'soldier' is the best name for the role.

Maybe something more like 'informer' or 'investigator', something similar to a spy, but for geese

void halo
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Doesn't seem very strong honestly. Essentially Mortician, but instead of hoping to find a body you have to hope the person you voted dies

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Could lead to interesting teamwork with a GunGoose. If they are sus of someone and say they're gonna Sheriff or vigilante them, go ahead and vote them.

drifting light
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fervent pasture
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Astral to me feels like it should maybe have the same ability to toggle cancel a few seconds early like birdwatcher.

chrome dirge
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how do we know if a suggestion was accepted to include in the game?

calm hare
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when/if you see it in game

chrome dirge
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ohh. so no contacts with whoever suggested a role.

got it cool cool

drowsy sleet
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🦢Swan
⭐️⭐️
Color:Coral

  • You are in love with [Insert name here]. Survive with them to win alone.
  • If your target dies, find new love with a button press before the next meeting, or else you die. (You basically get a origami on of you targets death I would imagine)
  • (Could replace Dodo/Dueling Dodos on different maps just because having up to three roles trying to control votes in a specific way could be seen as unfair)
    (Achievements)

  • of wins achievement: “O Romeo, Romeo!”

arctic yew
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i mean its just like lovers but u dont die if he dies

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or she suspicious

visual juniper
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It’s good, but this is basically team swapping and it’s like Guardian Angel/Lawyer from Modded Among Us

viral dove
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There's a lot missing from the role. How do other players know there's a swan character? How can the swan assure their love/target stays alive, when there are random killings all the time? Why can the swan so easily switch targets so long as there's not a meeting?
It is unique for a neutral, I'll grant you that, but it feels more like a Town of Salem role than a GGD role. (Not to be insulting.)

mental depot
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I think a jester role should be added, basically like the dodo trying to be voted out but instead of winning the game he/she is still alive and can kill someone once they kill they turn into a ghost as well like normal.

lavish craterBOT
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The role you suggested is quite similar to one from modded among us!

It's possible that this inspired you, or perhaps you coincidentally developed a similar role. In terms of the general design direction, we're trying to build a different game and we aren't really looking to replicate the roles found in modded Among Us! But thank you for taking the time to make a submission, we love this type of community engagement

whole widget
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Anyone have ideas for a Turkey role?

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It would have to be Neutral naturally

sudden rampart
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gobble gobble

faint goblet
whole widget
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that would be a unique role

sudden rampart
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might be a bit destructive to the game, since people would probably always skip if they didnt have consensus

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and you throw in stuff like the dodo voting for themselves

whole widget
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all I can think of is a variant of the Pelican for a Turkey

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something based around eating

faint goblet
sudden rampart
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let me know if you think of something

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t minus 11 hours till thanksgiving is over, if its a great idea we'll rush it out no problem

whole widget
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They would almost need some kind of ability where people are forced to take a bite out of them

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and if everyone takes a bite they would win

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but that's too similar to Pigeon

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What if people can take a bite and gain extra credits from doing so? Kinda like when Gravy gets extra from doing tasks

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but if everyone bites Turkey will win the game

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but people don't know who has taken a bite yet unless they coordinate

void halo
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Turkey: Only available on Basement and only wins by being thrown into the furnace dodo

whole widget
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the only problem with my idea is that if Assasin knows who the Turkey is, they'll just shoot him

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and in this case the Turkey would be willingly let people bite

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but I guess they might not be willing to waste the shot either

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So if someone walks over the Turkey, they get the "take a bite" symbol

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And the bites last for the whole game, so they don't get removed when meeting gets called

void halo
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Seems like people could just not take the bite

whole widget
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Or maybe...people bite the Turkey automaticly upon passing them, it's aroma too delicious to withstand

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but then again that's just another Pigeon almost

sonic prism
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Imagine we get to the point we can get a Turducken role

hoary palm
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แฮ่ม

whole widget
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Okay, how about this. If the Turkey can stand still next to someone for 3 seconds, the target will automaticly take a bite.

If everyone has taken a bite from him during the whole game, the Turkey wins.

It's another means to discourage grouping up, and it can't just be drive-by obtained like pigeon with sneezes.

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People can figure out they are the turkey if they just walk up and stand completely still next to them

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Maybe the timer for that could be higher but I think that's my best pitch

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And the Turkey hears a "nomming" sound as verification

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like with Mortician

void halo
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Now we're getting somewhere

tawny dagger
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framer (duck)
Framer can turn a random player invisible this can be a goose or Neutral also framer frames people careful not to turn the dodo invisible. ducks, Falcon, Pelican cannot be turned invisible because they're killers

narrow smelt
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What about this. Turkey. Neutral. In meetings has to vote for themselves. If they take a bite out of someone that person in the next meeting only hears gobble gobble. Goal is to infect all of the ducks

empty stump
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Deafener (duck)
Like the silencer but instead of just muteing people they also make it to where they can't hear anyone. Also they can't see chat

void halo
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Unlikely. It would cause people to think their game or their headset was messed up

buoyant crow
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There used to be a sabotage on Mothergoose that did this (still present on BlackSwan) called communications
From what I remember, there were a lot of people who mistook it for a bug

void halo
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Yep, and that's even with a clearly marked sabotage indicator saying that it had been sabotaged

sonic prism
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I mean, silencer now gets an icon on the player so they know, so it could work

narrow smelt
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Thank God. It used to be so confuziling.dodo

steep moth
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because no one likes to read sad

calm hare
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People making chris sad again sad

narrow smelt
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I didn't know there was something to read. I just pulled up chat t check

fervent pasture
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Tech and wiz ( gooses) a pair like lovers but the difference is that this role is specific to space mad because they need camera and intercom
Tech is surveillance
Wiz is the tracker
They get a random target each meeting

steep moth
narrow smelt
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Ah. They honestly not make senceSilencer

tawny dagger
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medusa (duck)
medusa does not teleport to the victims. victims will turn into a rock. people who are rocks are dead. medusa bodys cannot be reported. medusa can not do normal kills

calm hare
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that's basically just normal duck with bodies that can't be reported

tawny dagger
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yes and it's signals to players that there's a Medusa

gusty bone
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This sounds like Demolitionist without any of the risk. Demo is a highly unreliable and volitile role which is most likely going to kill anyone but the person you target, with the advantage that your bodies can’t be reported.

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This just gives you unreportable kills, and makes your stack kills impossible to spot.

lavish craterBOT
minor finchBOT
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10/10 Suggested read, even if you think you're going to forget about it

pearl jay
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Role: Chicken role: neutral mechanics: when you are killed you do not actually die till a meeting is called. You have a small vision cone and cannot talk. Once a body or meeting is called you fully die. This is negated with pelican, professional, assassin and bomb duck. chicken wins with the geese if still alive.

Chicken can't speak and have limited vision yet can still move about but can easily be avoided it you know how to juke and hide. Vents also help. But it still indicates they got killed as they will be missing their head or upper body. They can be reported dead if the head or upper torso is found and reported. Once reported, another body is reported or a meeting is called, which can be fast or take a while, they are dead dead and are fully out. The main counters assassin is obvious. Pelican they basically eat you and are killed any ways when a meeting is called. As for the bomb duck they only leave legs and nothing left to run around with. Professional also counters the chicken as they make the body invisible when. Sheriff does not die when killing the chicken.

lavish craterBOT
tall rapids
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need duck traper role he can place invisible traps when goose trap he stun for 5-6 sec

viral dove
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**Have you guys considered a type of trapper duck? ** We have! It's been suggested several times. The idea could work, but as it currently stands, the role would be difficult to pull off in our existing maps. Having not been made with this in mind , the hallways and spaces in the existing maps are a bit tight, allowing for these traps to zone out entire areas. Consider the bridge leading to comms in SS Goose, or the teleporter in Nexus colony, for example.

toxic cloud
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If a turkey role did exist. It'd probably be able to "pardon" someone by taking away a vote on someone else. (As an in-joke for the presidential turkey pardon every Thanksgiving) however, if they try to pardon someone without a vote that would place a vote on themselves. They'd have to be careful to not get voted out. Idk how'd it work though.

Imagine a tie and the turkey randomly pardons a bad guy. Sending the other, say the Dodo, to their doom.

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Or it could be the swapper type role during meetings, idk

void halo
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I like the idea of a role canceling a vote, but a Turkey would be a Neutral and would need a win condition.

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I think that would fit better as a Goose role

toxic cloud
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Hmmm maybe it could collect enough votes to vote themselves out? It'd be a replacement to the dodo on maps.

viral dove
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The vote cancelling could be interesting. I initially thought "if you vote for the person with the most votes, the votes are cancelled", but that seems far too powerful and easy to do. Then I considered maybe something akin to the assassin button but for pardoning, where it has to be done before voting ends. Still no idea how to give a neutral win condition, short of "cancel a total of X votes".

whole widget
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Or a rework for Politician, but I think Herbert mentioned that he already had something in mind for that one

sudden rampart
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its not what you might guess

toxic cloud
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I mean there could always be a mode called Turkey Shoot. Where players would have to guess who the turkey is and kill them to win the game.

sudden rampart
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doesnt it just mean this role wins in X number of meetings

whole widget
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yeah pretty much tbh

toxic cloud
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Yeah, but it'd only work if someone gets voted for. If you select someone who doesn't have any votes, it doesn't collect the vote for the Turkey

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But you'd have to guess who gets voted before the voting phase begins

whole widget
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I like the idea behind it, but...it's not really hard to guess that

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there's always the one person that has some sus

sudden rampart
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for reasons, i dont really want to fully explain the full setup for the alternative mayor

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oh wait i just realized it reveals too much

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lol

toxic cloud
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lol

sudden rampart
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but there is a similar element to the alternative mayor where they have to predict how people will react in a meeting

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or how they will act rather

toxic cloud
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I did propose in game mode ideas the Turkey Shoot. Not sure how well that'd go over

sudden rampart
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looked a bit like you suggested something where everyone would just die

toxic cloud
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Yeah, like I said, not sure how well it'd go over. I know there's a similar game mode where the duck has to hunt down all the geese. This would be the reverse of it I guess?

sudden rampart
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well, it'd probably just turn into a bloodbathe

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theres not much you can do to identify the turkey

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kind of like dine and dash with less evidence

toxic cloud
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Right, that's the name of the mode

viral dove
toxic cloud
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Maybe the Pardon Goose?

narrow smelt
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I though of the Mayor goose. It would ideally replace politician. they would be able to vote for a player and in a tie situation the player the mayor voted for would be voted out and the other person sent to jail

visual juniper
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But that would require 2 ejection screens simultaneously which will lead to bugs

shut bough
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What about like a banner duck or something like when they vote for someone they will get all the votes and will get ejected but only once per game

lavish craterBOT
shut bough
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Imagine a goose role that is a crewmate that is able to kill anyone that interacts with it i would name it something like Alerter or something

whole widget
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by merely touching them? jesus

shut bough
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Idk im just suggesting

drifting light
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Even as a killing neutral that wouldn't work

shut bough
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Ok it just flew through my head and i just typed it in

lavish craterBOT
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The role you suggested is quite similar to one from modded among us!

It's possible that this inspired you, or perhaps you coincidentally developed a similar role. In terms of the general design direction, we're trying to build a different game and we aren't really looking to replicate the roles found in modded Among Us! But thank you for taking the time to make a submission, we love this type of community engagement

slim onyx
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What if there was a Duck role that makes it so you can temporarily exit the meeting menu and kill one person per meeting?

And about seeing who did it, its not like you can see through the menu anyway

calm hare
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so basically assassin with no drawbacks

drifting light
slim onyx
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Oh

bright pond
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Stork (Neutral) - Wins by being the last player alive. In order to kill, the stork has to pick up packages that appear on the map and deliver them to a specific player, they do not know the name of the player they are giving it too, and will only know to give the package when a button to do so lights up. After a package is delivered, the player will die within the next 15 seconds (the time is randomized) and the stork can go and grab another package.
This is just a general idea that I came up with, I'm not sure what kind of drawbacks there could be, but I'm sure the people here can provide some.

chrome dirge
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kinda similar to demo right, but harder

bright pond
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maybe, that's why there needs to be some kind of drawback that sets it apart

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or maybe something to help if it's too difficult

chrome dirge
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indeed

chrome dirge
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I have a fun neutral idea.

Glue-er (Neutral): (Name can be changed to a sticky bird)

  • Possess a glue gun.

  • When 2 players are glued they will be stuck together. idk what will happen to the control of the glued players.
    They will have to coordinate with eachother and live lmao.

  • May be the glue-er can glue multiple players together lol. That’s something lmao.

  • They can unglue themselves tho, by doing a task (every glued player has to do a task to unglue themselves)

  • Obviously there will be a cool down for the glue gun or maybe there will be limited shots each round and it resets for every meeting.

what could be a win condition tho?
if they have to glue everyone together, it’ll be difficult.

idk just a thought lol

bright pond
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seems interesting

chrome dirge
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Gluer can cause so much chaos 😂😂😂

faint goblet
# chrome dirge I have a fun neutral idea. Glue-er (Neutral): (Name can be changed to a sticky ...

What would the win condition be, have everyone glued together? I think people would figure out who the gluer is once they’re glued, so probably best to make them immune to voting. (It would cause problems and goes against the idea of the game) meaning they have to he killed, but groups of glued people can avoid each other easily,,
It sounds interesting but too many problems.

It could he that glued people are forcibly stuck with the gluer, even between rounds. So basically like pelican, including way of winning, just instead of being extremely stealthy, they do it out in the open, and once killed everyone is unglued. I guess since pelican is a thing, it has a shot. Though aren’t neutrals suppose to be a species of bird? (I say that, but I fully plan on making like a cat with bad goose disguise a neutral role)

chrome dirge
# faint goblet What would the win condition be, have everyone glued together? I think people wo...

I think having everyone glued together can’t be it. stripping them off their vote may go against the game as you said, but maybe the glued people will share a vote. idk haha. it does sound fun but too many problems yah.

This could be another game mode ig. that sounds better. it’s like tag but more like tag+.

Lmao. yess neutrals are supposed to be other birds. i did google sticky birds and results were mostly of a restaurant that I didn’t know existed. a little deeper search did get me sticky birds but idk if they meant like glue-ey sticky.

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Thrush is a sticky bird

faint goblet
chrome dirge
fervent pasture
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Whistling duck role: when players are killed by the whistling duck the whistling duck temporarily whistles if you’re nearby. Whistling ducks get to fake their whistles every minute and kill cooldown for the default whistling duck is five seconds more for what you have set.
The whistling duck also gets extra xp as a side bonus for winning

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This was what I was thinking when I researched all the different ducks and geese

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And yes a whistling duck is a real duck

lavish craterBOT
vernal bone
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Stork Role (Neutral)
It's neutral, and it grabs one player in its beak. It can then throw the bird at another player, which will kill them both. Longer kill cooldown.

severe jasper
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alright kinda spitballin here but what about a role that tells you who a player voted for by voting for them (geese, doesn't have a name yet.)
Another goose role that allows you to see if that tells you who killed a corpse once per game (lil' overpowered i know)
and a duck role that can't kill directly, but can only kill by "rigging" a particular task.

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specific feedback please!

lavish craterBOT
drifting light
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Voter goose: very strong, Spies and Snitches will be devestated. Can also easily detect if someone is a dodo by them voting for themselves. All in all very strong and likely won't happen.

That guy that stole mortician's job: you said it yourself

Rigger duck: this has been suggested a number of times. The reason it is rejected is that to an observer, a duck "rigging" a task is completely identical to someone doing it legit. Now you have people being voted out for "doing too many tasks" and that is not healthy for the game.

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@severe jasper my critiques on the suggestions.

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I am not saying they are bad. Who knows, maybe with a bit more thought one of these could end up being a great suggestion and get added to the game.

severe jasper
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thanks! what i feel like everyone wants to to avoid geese because of their low individual strength, so that's what i'm aiming for

drifting light
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The issue here is that the geese are designed to be weak when compared to ducks and neutrals. If the group that was much much larger than the other 2 combined had individuals that were just as or even stronger than them, then it'd be a goose win every round.

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People tend to avoid picking goose when they can in draft is generally also because people just like being the killer. It's also why I find falcon and pelican are sought after the most out of the other neutrals as well.

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Especially pelican

drifting light
severe jasper
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trying to think of a role that affects a bit more than the immedeate match, like gravy giving extra coins.

pliant comet
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Flash Bomber duck: Flash bomb geese for a short period of time

drifting light
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Or the gravy whose minigame is do as much as you can as fast as you can.

drifting light
severe jasper
severe jasper
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plus it's litterally just reverse lights on a smaller scale

drifting light
severe jasper
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definitely does share serial killer parts tho

lavish craterBOT
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@severe jasper

Rule 3

RESPECT your other Geese (or Ducks)!

minor finchBOT
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Be respectful of each others ideas

severe jasper
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oops my bad. sorry @pliant comet

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was acting a little harsh there

pliant comet
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nahh ur good

drifting light
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Wondering if that was also directed at me for giving critisisms, though I think I am being as respectful as I can.

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Another tip I think may help witj designing roles. Think of a situation where you would have done better if there was a role that could have done something to help in that specific situation.

severe jasper
drifting light
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I suggested a role a while ago that could see what the role of the killer was with some set-up. As inspiration for all the times the vigilante "panic kills" someone and oops they were a duck all along.

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I won't put it down again as I did suggest it already and no point in flooding the channels with things that were already seen.

severe jasper
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hmmm i keep getting stopped doing the same task when someone calls a meeting to quickly... but that's hard to work without messing with basic game design

drifting light
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Yea I would personally leave the tasks alone unless it revolved around doing them like gravy or dueling dodo.

severe jasper
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maybe a role where upon killing, you have a 3 second timer where you can perform unlimted kills, but your cooldown doubles for every kill

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like chain attacking

drifting light
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As cool as that is, there are a few issues.

  1. can single handedly win games with a fast enough finger
  2. this idea of multikilling is already implemented with the ninja
  3. a different game, traitors in salem, has a similar role. The devs prefer coming up with original roles instead of importing them from other games. The exception being if they feel that specific role would be a healthy addition to the game.
floral nexus
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Dumb idea im just tossing out there, envy duck. Isn't shown to a fellow duck but has to do tasks and kill the targeted duck afterwards (will not work if voted out) to gain the primary duck killer. But that Target also gets the arrow. It's a random thought to build something off of so feel free to criticize

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Just kinda dueling dodos but for the ducks in a way

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I already see an issue if that duck gets voted out on its own

drifting light
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Also the fact that the duck's power involves crippling their team.

severe jasper
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what about a duck that can disguise as a corpse for one round? don't exactly know how to implement that, but the whole "throw stuff at wall, some stuff stick" bit

drifting light
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I do think an idea similar to this was shot down a while ago, however:

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That does give me an idea for a gamemode similar to a prophunt mode you would find in CoD or GMod.

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Imagine a hunter chasing a corpse or a grandfather clock around the manor xd

severe jasper
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Police officer. can put a player in jail, but will throw themselves if the the arrestee is a goose.

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a map specfic sherriff if you will

drifting light
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If the police officer is thrown in, now you know that person is 100% a goose. Now you keep doing that every meeting, either clearing them as goose or confirming them as neutral/duck

severe jasper
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i really appreciate all this feedback, thank you!

drifting light
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No worries, sorry that all my feedback has been more-or-less negative so far, but sometimes you have to break a few eggs before you make the omlett

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Or however that saying went

severe jasper
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once-per-game nerf could work, but i've never really found those all that fun.

floral nexus
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I mean if it worked like the snitch but as a goose that would be a bit interesting

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Having snitch and a (just random name) a jailor tossing ppl in jail

severe jasper
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yeah if you want something in the game ur best bet is cosmetics

floral nexus
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You never know it just takes any ol idea to influence something

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So keep trying is what I say.

river juniper
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Hacker- isn’t effected by sabotages and can monitor the cameras from anywhere

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Medic- can revive one person but puts them on mute and no texting

severe jasper
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i have some feedback

river juniper
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Ok

severe jasper
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medic breaks the "no nerfing kills" rule. the moments are too rare to decrease

river juniper
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Ok, I haven’t read the rules

severe jasper
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hacker is too op because it removes all the dangers of lights, and can basically see every stack kill.

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keep working at it though, you'll get a good role eventually

river juniper
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Ok

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Would you send me the rules?

severe jasper
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should work.

river juniper
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I’m just brainstorming

severe jasper
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np

river juniper
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Could you add a chat for brainstorming?

severe jasper
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that's kinda the best way to come up with good roles is to just throw everything at the way

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this IS the brainstorming chat my freind

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Ok

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I like the idea of the kamikaze duck, that’s ingenious

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Voodoo duck- place a curse on a duck, that duck dies when a meeting is called or a body is reported, but can not kill or sabotage

severe jasper
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so what's the nerf with the added ablity? no venting or no typical killing

river juniper
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Idk

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Nerd- can complete other duck’s tasks

severe jasper
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you want feedback?

river juniper
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Why not?

severe jasper
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major rule, don't screw around with tasks as they're the ingame timer

river juniper
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Damn, now I know why it’s so tough to be a dev

severe jasper
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yeah haha

minor finchBOT
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Maybe

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completing another player's tasks doesn't seem to make sense in this new task system

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since all living geese have infinite tasks

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I know

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Brainstorm ( goose ) it like engineer it see sab but instead of sab it one die body it doesn't see pelicans, feets, or professional body

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wut

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hes saying a role that gets a circle showing dead bodies

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oh

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Hey

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Duck??

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While I do appreciate the concept of a goose being able to find bodies, it needs to be measured. For one thing, there's already the vulture who can act as a "corpse compass" (which I have grown to dislike if they help the geese). For another, if you know the when and where bodies drop, that can give you a lot of information when the geese are supposed to be mostly uninformed.

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Maybe you could have a sort of medium but instead of seeing ghosts, can point to bodies. I'm pretty sure this has been suggested before, but it feels like the most balanced way to introduce such a role for geese.

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Witness (Goose)
When a meeting is called, you are shown the location of up to 3 of the murders last round.

Notes
This counts kills, not bodies, meaning that it will still show the location of a body that’s been eaten by vulture or Cannibal.
Demolitionist explosions count as kills, but environmental and Pelican kills do not.

viral dove
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That wasn't there when I asked my question, @drifting light

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there's a fun little thing on ancient sands that i like

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there's a fishing task on it... but if you don't do it, you'll always know the position of the boat

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-Mastermind (Duck):
If you are the only person to vote for someone during a meeting, their body will be invisible if they are killed in the next round (but players can still report it, unlike professional). (Ducks will see marked players' names with a custom emoji by their name to indicate they are marked by the Mastermind)

-Samurai (Duck):
During meetings, you can imbue a single duck partner with a 25% faster kill cooldown, but you suffer from a 50% slower kill cooldown until you are the last duck left. The temporary buff resets after next meeting.

-Dove (neutral pair, replaces dodo):
These two are connected, so much so that when one of them dies, the living Dove is notified of the general location of the death. If the dove manages to vote out the bird who killed their partner, the Doves will win together.

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in case of dove, say a duck killed both your pair and a random goose, but he gets caught during the goose event and gets voted out. Will dove still win?

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# chrome dirge in case of dove, say a duck killed both your pair and a random goose, but he get...

yes, I thought of that. Since dodo wins when voted out, it makes sense that Dove would work the same way regardless of how many players are left. To balance things, perhaps the remaining goose could be given the ability to kill the duck in such cases, even if they don't naturally have a kill ability (but only have a limited time to do so until Dove automatically wins, similar to Pelican or Falcon. Seems a bit OP though, doesn't it?)

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kinda does makes sense that way yaa. OP it is indeed.

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Crusader (duck)
crusader can only exist if there is a sheriff falcon/pelican and vigilante. crusader has two modes sword and shield. The sword mode is like a normal duck nothing special. shield protects the crusader from any attacks and the person who attacked the crusader will die but the crusader cannot kill while in the shield mode.

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thrall duck
if thrall duck dies, he still counts as dead and cant vote, but can still walk around like a living bird, with the ability to grab a goose like thralls of a zombie duck does, also they can still talk to players but cant hear dead chat or see roles during meeting if that option is on. if he is killed he revives after 15 seconds like thrall does in halloween game mode and the body of thrall duck can only be reported when he is killed when he was really alive, not after he comes back as thrall

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Revival roles aren't something we are likely to see in the game. They give the revived player too much of an advantage, especially if they are able to talk to other players

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It's not fun for a goose if a duck can keep coming back after you've outed him. There has to be a way to get rid of him so that the game at least feels fair.

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and you can still be killed by sheriff and falcon or eaten by pelican

calm hare
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the problem with talking to other ducks is then you say "oh this person is sheriff" or "this person is falcon"

fervent pasture
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i think it is narrow to say every "bad mechanic" is bad because you can make them work

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even without being able to talk you just constantly hover around the sheriff/falcon/pelican

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Another problem is you're giving ducks information that they otherwise shouldn't be able to get if you're technically dead

drifting light
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Just a reminder that there was a very good reason Medium 1.0 was reworked

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I have a role idea there is a role for cleaning body’s but you can clean one body per round of the game and there is a 60 second timer on the ability

void halo
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Sooo a better Cannibal

floral nexus
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Or a roundabout vulture

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Ah

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I rarely ever got cannibal so I thought it did more than once

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Maybe a duck role where you mark someone then you make them kill somebody?

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The role you suggested is quite similar to one from modded among us!

It's possible that this inspired you, or perhaps you coincidentally developed a similar role. In terms of the general design direction, we're trying to build a different game and we aren't really looking to replicate the roles found in modded Among Us! But thank you for taking the time to make a submission, we love this type of community engagement

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Errand Boy goose: do all your tasks for a bonus?

calm hare
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Tasks don't have an end and that is basically gravy

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Solo ( duck ) it a duck ability one work if the only duck if not he a regular duck if they vote for and you only get voted it they you can kill next meeting only goose not neutral

calm hare
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I am not sure what you are going for with that one

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If vote for someone they can kill but only if they only duck left only goose

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That would be an instantly confirmable role

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"I'm going to call a meeting now"

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It's been suggested a few times before, but as Kitzah pointed out, there's always some sort of way to semi-prove you are that role.

It might be a useful feature of a future map, but I don't see it ever being a role.

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knife thrower duck, can kill by throwing a knife throwing the knife has longer kill cooldown, can not regularly kill

drifting light
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In terms of the game, how would throwing a knife be different from a standard kill? Is it from range? If so, how far? How do you decide the direction the knife goes?

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My guess would probably be closest like regular kills and to make it fair you'd have to be within sight of the person you kill. At least that's what I think

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# floral nexus Speed adjustments are also no goes because that can tell roles too easily.

why are you saying speed adjustments because of course you can tell the thrall duck is a thrall duck because he is dead and looks like a thrall, if he is alive he walks normal, and if problem is that you can talk then he should not be able to talk

and thrall duck cannot just hover over sheriff or falcon because they can kill it to get it of them, and if you cannot talk you dont tell duck partners anything, strategy to play thrall duck is to slow goose down and give other ducks opportunity, medium has nothing in common either

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"What's dead should stay dead"

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but this duck does not stay dead

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it is very handicapped while dead though

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it does i am confident it do

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developers also said they dont need more goose killing roles and we have avenger now

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the word is not set in stone if it can work in the game

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"I would sooner delete GGD before adding in a kill stop/revival role" ~Shawn

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it is narrow mindset to write off everything just because under many condition it breaks the classic mode, because under right conditions it is possible

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The role document exists as a guideline for some of the basic design choices that the devs choose to implement. Revival roles being excluded from Classic is a deliberate choice.

drifting light
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There is generally a reason why somethings just... don't work. For example, like someone said earlier, this role is just a middle finger to falcons and pelicans.

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yes but i will assume that revival role means that somebody comes back to life to be able to play the game normally, but my idea has premise that you cannot do things normally while "you are dead"

void halo
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It isn't about having a narrow mindset, just being aware that you are proposing a game mechanic that specifically explicitly and repeatedly has been said would not happen.

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many games developers say things and years later change opinions because they can make it work, and i do think it is narrow because you define your design under th rule that philosophy will never change, because it does

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if you think that there's a certain set of conditions in which you can break a rule, which i will agree, then it certainly makes sense to list that with the role too

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the role document are just guidelines really

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yes, maybe my idea is not what you want, i just write them for fun, but it is discouraging to see everybody think that the document is word of god

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but they also explain certain rationale as to why certain things will work or not

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i definitely dont mind breaking a rule if it makes sense

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thank you, i will always try to argue my point of why i think something could be good for the game unless somebody convince me otherwise, i have sent in many stupid ideas because i sometimes get bored and think of things, but there are few things i think would be cool that i write and i have seen that sometimes break the guidelines, i think if there is a good reason to break taboo with a mechanic that could work in the game then i am all for it but you of course need to be careful because they exist for a reason

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haha i wil try that when i think of something that does that

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Once per game. Someone though same for vigilante too

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always kinda felt like Cannibal was the odd one out from the other ducks

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feels like it needs a buff the way it is, but it's a bit hard to do without making it OP

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being able to eat every round for example, would be too strong

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Perhaps every few kills (2 or 3) the canni makes, they can eat 1 body? I'd imagine all the hard work would build up an appetite.

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I am leaning more towards 3, because if it was 2 it would be pretty hard for vulture to win.

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Mystic (Goose)
Ability: "Destine"
You can mark a nearby player.
When you die, the marked player instantly gets a notification and an arrow to your body. (They did not know they were marked up until that moment)

The ability can be reused after
the next meeting if the marked person dies.

chrome dirge
gusty bone
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มีใครเล่นเป็ดๆไหมค้าบ

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fervent pasture
# drifting light It is fine to agree to disagree. I know there are things I would have loved to s...

yes, i think sometimes i dont like something somebody else likes and if you dont like something i like i dont mind it, but in this case the hard no come from just a regular player because of how they interpred what developer means, and if i try to argue why it will work and they ignore it and just say no because it is in the guidelines then they dont contribute to the discussion i think, but i dont want to make big deal of this i just want to explain

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Magician,
They can teleport to any one of their tasks, and others, if they do die they can still use their powers as a ghost but there will be a bunny in place of a body

frosty bone
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# frosty bone ?

i mean like if you mark a duck, wouldn’t the duck be notified of your death?

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It would. I dont see where the chaos would occur tho

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Seems kinda OP

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Insta clear, you can teleport pretty much everyone and everywhere, trollable

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-Ranger (Goose):
You can kill anyone, but only when you are near 2 other birds. You also have a longer cooldown.

-Phoenix (Neutral):
Complete fake tasks to charge your ability (ability cooldown is something ridiculous like 500 seconds so you have to complete tasks to refresh it quickly). Use your ability on birds to make them automatically die when a meeting is called (but you can't report bodies yourself), but only if the meeting is called within 10 (or 15?) seconds of using the ability. Kill 3-5 birds (depending on lobby size) who called meetings and died by you to win the game.

Ranger Notes: Ranger will encourage the goose to actively stay separated from other geese, so that geese do not necessarily group up annoyingly, hopefully. Simply giving a kill button to a goose would be overpowered though, hence the cooldown is slowed

Phoenix Notes: Phoenix will provide a new type of playstyle where birds will hopefully be a bit more wary of instantly reporting bodies, since they may die if they report it quickly. And phoenix will also discourage some players from doing tasks together, since that friend of yours might be a Phoenix trying to charge their ability while you merely act as a temporary body-block for them from the ducks

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hmmm, you have a point. I was just thinking of the Ranger himself wanting to split off, not other players' reactions

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Doormaster (goose)
can perform a quick task to open locked doors. ability has a 20s cooldown and can only be used once until a meeting is called or a body is reported.

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I've learned most goose roles need to have a very simple ability that can be used in many situations, but isn't garunteed to do anything. With the doormaster, not every door that's locked is relevant to the duck's plans.

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Would definitely be situational. Would it be a single door or multiple doors from that task?

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Like would it open both doors to a room that has 2 or just one side

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If there were a doormaster, it would have to be for a new map. The devs aren't currently interested in weakening the existing sabotages as the ducks are outnumbered and need all the tricks they can get. It's the same reason why having people who can see during lights sabotage is generally dismissed.

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There is a new role for the next map called Street Urchin [Goose] who can unlock doors from the inside, so that's almost your Doormaster idea.

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Sprinter: if you are being chased, you run slightly faster after 5 seconds.

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the activation time is really the balance to it.

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what about a duck that can’t vent or disable doors, but can disable the meeting button or body reporting for 10 seconds.

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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JHySGkJPkCGyTxHyU1jK7XAptCkam79RRgt_j-TFOY4/edit?usp=sharing be sure to give this document a read happy

Google Docs
Designing Roles for Classic+ Living Document1

Herbert’s Living Document For Designing Classic+ Roles Why are you designing a role? The first question to ask is why you’re designing a role. Although wanting to introduce a new and fun role to Classic+ seems like an obvious reason, but a fair number of people are suggesting roles just as a cr...

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that moment when you forget about the document lol

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i see why there aren't any community made roles out

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"Slow"

fervent pasture
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Queen ( goose ) it a celebrity or Canadian when queen dies it show the goose that who kill them on left in a triangle

drifting light
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So everyone is alerted who the killer is?

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I'm going to say that is entirely too overpowered of an ability. With canadian there is the chance you can argue your way out of it and celebrity all depends on people knowing who they were

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this just straight up says "X killed me vote them out"

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I think the key to consider for balance is how definitive the data is, and who learns that info. If one person learns the information, everyone else has to trust that person. If it's broadcast to everyone, though, it's a pretty definitive bit of info and near impossible to work around.

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Investigator (Goose): You can see peoples footsteps, footsteps disappear over time. It would change gameplay as a duck and force ducks to clear bodies or risk the chance of the Investigator finding the ducks footsteps over the body. You can counteract it by the duck either self reporting it, or try to pretend to be Dodo by walking all over the body.

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oh

drifting light
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Iirc it will be exclusive to the map, but I could be wrong.

buoyant crow
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The Tracker Goose I believe, however it's ability works differently than described above

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Osprey (Neutral / Ancient Sands)

This role can only kill once per round and does not leave trace of the body, If this role eats a x number of geese/neutral/ducks, wins the game.

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Sounds an awful lot like the pelican already is, or a more powerful Cannibal.

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Yea that's just pelican

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So the killer will kill themselves? I don't think that would work still. The roles we already have that punish ducks for killing carelessly. Canadian you can talk your way out of and avenger you can outrun. This is just punishing someone for playing with no chance to outplay it.

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In terms of a "protection" ability, the best I can think of is one that will delay your death. Even then that very likely won't work.

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Making roles that would work in a balanced game is very tricky, but even ideas that don't work may lead to or inspire one that does.

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There is no such thing as a bad idea, just ones that don't quite fit for classic/draft.

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Santa Claus (Goose): Double taks, when you finish all your tasks you can look at one name on the naughty list (know one of the ducks or neutrals), the ducks+(falcon) know where you are when you have 2 tasks left

calm hare
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the problem with that being that you can't ever finish your tasks

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calm hare
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the task list does not end, so as is, no it cannot

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it doesnt?

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not until the game does

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oh i didnt know that

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tasks just keep getting added until the end of the game

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lavish craterBOT
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The role you suggested is quite similar to one from modded among us!

It's possible that this inspired you, or perhaps you coincidentally developed a similar role. In terms of the general design direction, we're trying to build a different game and we aren't really looking to replicate the roles found in modded Among Us! But thank you for taking the time to make a submission, we love this type of community engagement

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If you are alive they keep giving more tasks.

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It's just like working retale.

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ok i have a revised version,

Santa Claus (Goose): When you put everyones name on the list you can look at one name on the naughty list (know one of the ducks or neutrals), the ducks+(falcon) know where you are when you have 2 names left

would that work

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calm hare
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still a copy of the snitch from modded among us

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and gives away too much information

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Town Of Us

drifting light
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One important thing for making a more detective themed role. Make them find info that isn't "X is a duck". For example the detective we already have. They can only see if someone killed in the same round BEFORE you checked them.

calm hare
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speaking of if you look to your right >>> you'll see the one and only amazing slushiegoose is a member of the gaggle crew and he helped make town of us

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Yes they can up clean, but perhaps they are a patient duck. Or maybe even a pelican. Detective checks for blood on someone's hands, not someone screaming in horror from the pelican's enlarged midsection.

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I feel like you aren't listening to waht i'm saying

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Phoenix (Goose): 2 lives, you don't know how many lives you have until a meeting is called

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the Role document is Rolling in its grave rn

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I can see santa working in a different game mode. Perhaps similar to a VIP mode where santa's death means an instant loss for the "nice" team.

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Rule of thumb: if a duck or neutral or even a goose presses a kill button or any other variation of a kill button, someone is becoming dead.

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If we want to get technical, the 2 closest things that resemble a "protector" in GGD are the Gravy and Bodyguard.
Both of which can't stop a kill, but merely redirect them.

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drifting light
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So the ducks lose their role by killing in the barrier?

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Crow (Neutral): Get killed to win

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got it

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Let me lay this out for you:
IF: a role makes it so a Ducks kill doesn't end up with anyone in their view dead
THEN: It is a kill-stop role

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The closest thing to a killstop I can see being allowed is a role that makes you bleed out and die after a few seconds, and even that would still have issues.

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Echo ( duck ) you have an echo on the meeting it can kill and do sab

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revised Crow (Neutral): Click a button that starts a timer for 10 seconds if you get killed during that timer you win. You only unlock the button after 2 meetings

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Yet the geese still play around it because of the ramifications of if there is one

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Making ducks not want to kill just because there could be a role that just ends the game when killed isn't very healthy for the game.

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What what about the canadian? Doesn't that role make ducks not want to kill? The key here is that the canadian has counterplay. You can talk your way around it. Even make the desperate play of claiming a very panicked vigilante.

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Hey

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Think of it like this:
The ducks (and falcon's) main way of achieving a win is to kill all of the geese.
They win, once there are less geese than ducks.
If there are 16 players in a game, and 3 ducks, then that means a purely Kill based duck win would leave us with 5/16 players, 2/12 if you don't count the ducks.
that means that there's a 10/12 chance that the crow takes the victory instead of the ducks, if they're able to play it correctly

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It's probably the most workable out of all the ones you've shown me, but it would most likely be more hurtful than helpful,

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then you get confirmed as a teleporter by that 3rd person

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