💬│palia-discussions

[lusty bluff]

I found it, but I shouldn't link it here.

Vid still makes me laugh

[unborn dune]

Alright yeah that's funny

[molten spruce]

It let me name the chicken coop as Grape House

[lusty bluff]

There's a whole bunch of 'em. I miss the Tribunal system so much. Best part of League, and they threw it away.

[molten spruce]

I dont have new chicken but I'll try it when I get a chance

[sleek furnace]

omg that's hilarious

[lusty bluff]

Oh no

[timid prism]

Just rub it in "The Alpha servers are now live" 🤣

[lusty bluff]

Why are we here? Just to suffer?

[timid prism]

Yes, I have been bad, very very bad

[sleek furnace]

sniffle

[upbeat kite]

https://tenor.com/view/dramatic-cry-will-ferrell-gif-19823586

hope everyone in the alpha server is having fun!

[sleek furnace]

Screw the glass of wine, I have a whole bottle

[lusty bluff]

Getting wine-drunk? Amateurs.

[tranquil marten]

Good mooorning.

[lusty bluff]

Downs whole bottle of Vinegar

[buoyant heath]

I'm sure they are all working hard to test features and make sure the game is the best it can be

[unborn dune]

Chad

[molten spruce]

HEY JERKS.... now that I have your attention. Can we mass suggest twerking be added as an unlockable dance? As in you have to grind or do quest to unlock twerking dance?

[lusty bluff]

I hereby demand that twerking never be added to my wholesome Christian Palia game.

[molten spruce]

Pretty please?

[unborn dune]

Put the default dance in

[upbeat kite]

no twerking pls

we're keeping this game cringe free lol

[lusty bluff]

Ballroom dancing and mating-press only for us classy folk.

[sleek furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/flamingo-albert-gif-22077354

Only if it's this twerk.

[molten spruce]

OMG thats the best one... not exactly a twerk but just as bad

[unborn dune]

Just crouch repeatedly

[sleek furnace]

no, that's something else

[lusty bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/jon-tron-disney-bootleg-wiggle-gif-6099206

[molten spruce]

uhm, we're too classy to tea-bag

[unborn dune]

Yeah it's better

[sleek furnace]

I'm not so sure...

[molten spruce]

we can call the @sleek furnace gif as "The Awkward Phase" Dance

[lusty bluff]

I demand dad-dancing.

Arms held at chest-level, and just awkwardly swaying from side to side.

[sleek furnace]

If we're making demands, I want the Time Warp

[tranquil marten]

Is the game going to be a building game? Like adding an designing items for Ur house? U get to build Ur own house or is it like a story mode. Where u have a sofa but can't really move it or change it

[unborn dune]

Former, I believe

[queen shore]

Shame to hear Palia will be free to pay. Oh well.

[molten spruce]

gather -> craft -> build

[reef locust]

I still don’t get why people are mad that it’s free ngl

[molten spruce]

atleast to my understanding

[sleek furnace]

Care to expand on that?

[buoyant heath]

Oh, so you've seen my how-to videos

[tranquil marten]

Is it like free build tho. I can build anywhere? Super interested. A friend told me it looks like ark a bit where u can have a family/tribe and build in an open world

[unborn dune]

"All free to play games are bad and greedy!" is their argument.

[lusty bluff]

It's an understandable knee-jerk reaction based on the previous history of virtually every F2P game. We're hoping this will be a Warframe and not an "Insert Nexon MMO here"

[sleek furnace]

I meeeeean. They're not wrong?

[reef locust]

I’m just glad This game is going to be accessible to anyone

[tranquil marten]

Same

[near mist]

Test

[sleek furnace]

Hi, purple

[buoyant heath]

Because they have experience with games that have poorly implemented premium shops and locked the good content behind those shops. Plus practices like loot boxes and rotating store fronts, etc. They have no reason to trust that S6 will be any different other than their word.

[versed sail]

Granted, many games have abused that system, but a precious few get it right. It's more or less the standard right now, and it makes the most sense as far as accessibility.

[queen shore]

Im so done with free games. I want a game that feels like a complete package that doesn't have me constantly "ooh i want that, should i pay money?"

[buoyant heath]

Looks like you passed.

[sleek furnace]

I mean, it's an MMO. Imo they never really feel like complete games

[unborn dune]

Let's see... Path of Exile, Team Fortress 2, VRChat, Splitgate, OldTV
They are wrong.

[near mist]

Indeed

[molten spruce]

have you read the blog about why they chose f2p and the business model?

[sleek furnace]

I'll give you TF2 but that's it

[lusty bluff]

Eh, I'd take PoE out of there.

[unborn dune]

Because server upkeep is free.

[versed sail]

Nor should they. The core system of an MMO is that it doesn't end!

[queen shore]

It doesn't matter why. I assume server upkeep.

[unborn dune]

Fair enough, haven't got that much experience with it. Guess I didn't hit the mtx yet

[tranquil marten]

I wonder if u can rent your own server like with nitrado or if that's in the plans

[queen shore]

Argue all you will. Im less interested in another game nickle and diming me to death

[unborn dune]

Feels like someone didn't read the blog post.
And yet you remain.

[lusty bluff]

Agreed, but I'm honestly just happy there aren't loot boxes. Gacha is the single worst thing to ever happen to gaming.

[sleek furnace]

That's a good way to say that you don't have any real reasoning

[buoyant heath]

We've been through the list and gone up and down the good and bad examples of f2p games and storefronts. The point is that people have a right to be skeptical about it until S6 earns their trust. Really that's how it should be too.

[versed sail]

I understand your pessimism, given the current state of gaming. But there is a way to do it right.

[molten spruce]

its ok if you feel that way. it happens my dood. wish you the best!

[unborn dune]

Literally just some cosmetics. Who actually cares about non-lootbox cosmetics in live service games today.

It sucks but woo, modern gaming industry...

[lusty bluff]

If we take S6 at their word, yes. I don't think they've given us any reason to doubt them yet, but I can't blame people for not trusting devs atm.

[unborn dune]

I get that, but it's a bit much to immediately write off the game as a whole

[versed sail]

This game has the serious potential to foster a long term community. That's good for business.

[lusty bluff]

It's kind of odd to be pro or anti-game atm in general. We haven't seen anything beyond a few trailers, some art, and some assets. Once gameplay footage comes out, I'll make my judgement.

Currently I'm excited, but it's tempered.

[sleek furnace]

I agree. And it's just bringing in negativity when we're all trying to stay positive and excited for the game

[molten spruce]

you also have too look at the feasibility and what route can make the game sustainable... it happens to be f2p with a cash shop. we can only hope it doesn't get as worst as... STAR CITIZEN

[unborn dune]

Agree. Currently have no expectations. The concept is something I'd be a fan of, but execution is everything.

[sleek furnace]

Considering I don't know of any other games that would be an alternative to Palia, I am definitely pro Palia until they give me reason not to be.

[buoyant heath]

I appreciate your take on it

[lusty bluff]

I'm interested to see how Temtem will do going forward with their buy-once system and no microtransactions (I think)

If it can function as an MMO with that kind of monetization, it'll be a breath of fresh air.

[molten spruce]

i know a very recent buy once and no mtx mmo.... it was called.. NEW WORLD!!!

[lusty bluff]

New World's monetization wasn't why it crashed and burned lol

[sleek furnace]

Did that game actually release?

[buoyant heath]

I've been around for a while and my take is that S6 are generally made up of the type of people I would trust to make this specific type of game

[mild furnace]

which platform does palia come to?

[sleek furnace]

I must've missed it...

[lusty bluff]

It shouldn't have, but yes.

[molten spruce]

yeah, we didnt even get to see how bad the MTX in the game could have been... specially in the hands of Amazon

[unborn dune]

New World died for ever reason other than it's monetisation

[versed sail]

I'm just going to hang out with you lovely people and hope for the best. S6 has seen the ugly side of gaming. I'm sure they don't want to repeat the mistakes of those that came before them.

[buoyant heath]

But I also have to be realistic that I've been burned before

[versed sail]

New World died because it had no business being launched in it's current state. Rookie move.

[sleek furnace]

Yes, I want a Palia chat village where we can all hangout together.

[lusty bluff]

The gaming landscape is the perfect space for upstanding devs to make a name for themselves by delivering what they promise. If anyone can just do THAT, they'll earn forever-fans.

[mild furnace]

which platform does palia come to?

[molten spruce]

we need a /2 in palia

[versed sail]

Big same!!!

[lusty bluff]

PC, unknown for consoles atm I think

[sleek furnace]

I don't know what that means

[molten spruce]

it means wow trade chat

[lusty bluff]

Noooohohohononono nooooooo

[molten spruce]

every game needs a WoW trade chat

[lusty bluff]

Barrens or bust

[sleek furnace]

I prefer Nookazon

[molten spruce]

Goldshire ERP hour?

[celest maple]

eve online had better ones, though 🙂

Hi all, btw!

[sleek furnace]

Heyo

[molten spruce]

i've never played it but my ears have heard of those stories. __edit: __ Heyooo

[buoyant heath]

3am Barrens chat is WILD

[versed sail]

I think diminishing the need to be overly aggressive and competitive was a smart move. People are desperate for something better right now. Something kind of wholesome.

[molten spruce]

anytime barrens chat is not for the weak

[lusty bluff]

Palia is going to live and die by its ability to allow players to form organic communities, mark my words.

[molten spruce]

specially back in the early 2000s

[lusty bluff]

Which is exactly why I hope they lean into "RP Features"

[paper agate]

hello everyone

[sleek furnace]

If they're able to foster a community like ACNH, I will be so happy

[molten spruce]

hello @paper agate

[lusty bluff]

ACNH scares me sometimes.

[celest maple]

Well, to put it simple, there were many solar systems with their own chat, plus the ability to create new channels, avalable from different corners of the Universe. There were also hep chats - for ecah language, ship trading chats, corporations chats, fleet chats, security chats, etc,etc,etc.

[sleek furnace]

Oh?

[lusty bluff]

I've seen too many meth labs and sex dungeons in people's houses.

[sleek furnace]

I thought you'd be into that

[lusty bluff]

Yeah, when I'm the one doing it.

[sleek furnace]

lmao

[arctic onyx]

Palia better have a strong narrative

[versed sail]

I think you're right. Most of the people I know who mourn the fading of older game speak the most about missing the friends they made and the culture that existed within those games. They miss the bonds they had with people in EQ, and the groups they interacted with in City of Heroes. Players make or break these communities.

[lusty bluff]

Players make or break them, but devs can absolutely ruin them. Trying to "foster" a community is fine to an extent, but organic growth happens almost entirely on the player-end.

When devs try to force something like I've seen a few do, it ruins it.

[buoyant heath]

Like ones made out of bread?

[sleek furnace]

lol

[molten spruce]

GOTTEM

[lusty bluff]

The joke I was about to make would probably get me banned from the server, so I won't do it lol.

[molten spruce]

burn that bread... toast em

[sleek furnace]

Did you get your groceries yet?

[versed sail]

Oh there's no controlling it. They can only control how supportive or restrictive it is to its fanbase. SWtOR is Force Choking to death because of how the game is mishandled, and that only feeds the toxicity there because people are frustrated.

[celest maple]

haven's SWTOR had really big problems from the start?
Problems there runs much deeper than that...

[lusty bluff]

Yup. The only thing devs should do with regards to community formation is put out a ToS that is clear and concise, and enforce it as literally as possible. If it's not in the ToS, it's not bannable.

If you want something to be bannable, you should have put it in the ToS

[versed sail]

I had a terrible time there, and it's a shame because I liked the game. But it took years for them to get to a point where I did tbf.

[molten spruce]

If this game is stardew valley, story of seasons and terraria with some valheim sprinkled in it.. people arent going to have time to be toxic. people will be busy hoeing around and plowing everything

[sleek furnace]

giggle

There's nothing people like more than hoeing and plowing

[celest maple]

Let's just hope, that we will see our KOTOR 3 one day...

hah! Wait! Can we have lightsabers and sith robes in Palia as well? O_o

[lusty bluff]

Outdoors no less!

[sleek furnace]

kekeke

[abstract rover]

i come back to chat and see this

[sleek furnace]

Welcome back! 😄

[abstract rover]

palia chat never ceases to amaze me

[molten spruce]

welcome back my dood

[lusty bluff]

We're the perfect combination of young-adult dweebs and pervy old men.

[sleek furnace]

I'm not sure which category I fit into

[versed sail]

I'm just here to grow fruit and make jam for all of you. Maybe drop the occasional doodle. ❤️

[lusty bluff]

Correct.

[sleek furnace]

I want to be friends.

[lusty bluff]

Give me your tasty jammies UwU

[versed sail]

We're all your friends here!!!

[sleek furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/yay-yas-jim-carrey-dance-gif-15263643

[versed sail]

What makes you think my pajamas will fit you?

[buoyant heath]

I'm not friends, I'm just toast

[fathom cairn]

As a heavy and very dedicated MMO rper for a solid decade, I'm advocating for any and all RP features! I post a fair bit about the need for organic rp.

[sleek furnace]

You're not toast, you're dad

[lusty bluff]

No, this is patrick.

[versed sail]

You're always going to be Baba to me! ❤️

[agile spoke]

Hey guys, i was having issues with my Account name, is there an easy way to find out what it is?

[versed sail]

Something that is severely lacking in MMOs these days!

[molten spruce]

i want fox2trox as my Palia neighbor

[buoyant heath]

Look in this post: #📢│palia-news message

[fathom cairn]

A lot of trolls try to grief rp and I'm sad they're winning. And devs overlook us so much.

[sleek furnace]

I'm a pretty adorable neighbor. I always name my chickens after fruits.

[celest maple]

wait, what?!
edit: Too many foxes here, be specific, i guess?

[lusty bluff]

Except for Grape. That's a no-no word.

[molten spruce]

You need to ask one of the devs

[sleek furnace]

apparently..

[agile spoke]

Thank you guys so much!

[abstract rover]

I'm the kinda person who is always in-character in a roleplay-centric MMO or community.

[versed sail]

I hate to say it, but the increase in games that push a race to endgame mentality have likely contributed to dwindling rp. No one stops to talk anymore in games! I'm excited for Palia because everyone here seems committed to having a positive community experience.

[molten spruce]

yeah, if you're part of the alpha, you should also get the tester role (for secret squirrel stuff)

[buoyant heath]

Nobody told me about squirrels!

[lusty bluff]

I keep a healthy does of obscurity around whether I'm IC or OOC at all times. I'm buried under so many layers of irony that even I'm not sure if I'm being serious or not.

[molten spruce]

i want all these foxes to be my neighbors

[sleek furnace]

Not to mention the mass murder

[lusty bluff]

And the war crimes.

[versed sail]

I wonder if they'll do the thing where you can change the colour of your name so people know if you're in roleplay mode.

[molten spruce]

we're gonna have a block party every friday. then we go raid whatever 10 man mythic cow milkingh dungeon they have

[native merlin]

howdy folks!

[abstract rover]

ok bedtime. night all :)

[wooden kiln]

yo

[lusty bluff]

Nighty-night

[sleek furnace]

I'll be spending all my time maxing out the cooking skill and have tasty snacks for when everyone gets back from raiding

[celest maple]

But....You'll die! By cuteness overdose!

[past terrace]

I'm not familiar with the terraria raid, but this game has no combat so not sure about anything raid-like

[versed sail]

Imagine gathering once a week, not to raid but to clear some trees and help a new neighbour plow their fields and plant crops. I think that would be cool! Also, maybe a farmers market once a week where we can sell all the stuff we've made!

[sleek furnace]

Will there be skills in Palia? I can't imagine that it wouldn't

[fathom cairn]

A color or icon would be cool

[molten spruce]

im sure whatever you cook, it will have buffs

[native merlin]

i saw they invited more people to alpha and checked my eamail just in case but sadly no luck 😦

[fathom cairn]

Sorry bacon they closed yesterday

[molten spruce]

oh WE BE PLOWING... cause im an EYE LAND BOIIII (EDIT: I know super cringe joke)

[sleek furnace]

Welcome to the sad people's club

[lyric ocean]

The luck of the draw was not in our favor

[sleek furnace]

I hope they do minigames for things like fishing and cooking

[lusty bluff]

I'd like to be plowing in Palia, but I'll just have to go back to doing that in the Sims I guess.

[versed sail]

Don't be sad! Discord is the pre-pre-alpha! You're already the King of Bacon to us!

[molten spruce]

oh! i didnt know there wasnt any combat, i was under the impression that you can party up to do.. some sort of chill combat

[patent dust]

one day o7

[sleek furnace]

I also thought there was combat

[lusty bluff]

Wait, what's this about no combat? I was pretty sure that there would be.

[patent dust]

closest thing to combat is hunting

[molten spruce]

i was thinking you have battle and tame horses or cows or worst... foxes

[versed sail]

I just got my sims back after 7 months lol. I ditched them to hang out here.

[lusty bluff]

See, this is where having some gameplay to look at would be nice lol.

[dusty root]

Maybe there could be a giant tree that people could gang up on to chop down o.o

[buoyant heath]

I agree!

[sleek furnace]

I'm doing the same thing

[lusty bluff]

My Sims exist in a perpetual state of wondering when momma's coming home.

[versed sail]

Oooh like a mega tree you can't chop alone!

[patent dust]

this is the true group content we all need

[dusty root]

Or you COULD chop alone but it would take ages. So you get your neighbors to help o3o

[sleek furnace]

Oh man, it would be really cool if players could run community buildings

I want a tavern

[unborn dune]

yesyesyesyes

[lusty bluff]

Yeah, that'd be great

[molten spruce]

im searching for the keyword combat in server... ooooh its a doozy

[sleek furnace]

Also, in the trailer one of the characters is running around with a bow, so at least there will be hunting?

[patent dust]

no combat, no hp, no death

[versed sail]

I would love to see community quests like that, where we come together and make our surroundings unique.

[lusty bluff]

Or having the ability to turn your house into simulacra of said community buildings. Running a thrift store out of your home (even if only in RP fashion) would be great.

[sleek furnace]

Whole towns could be player run alone. That would be incredible

[versed sail]

I really hope I get to have a little shop filled with jams and jellies!

[sleek furnace]

That would make rp so much more fun too

[versed sail]

Ingredients for cakes and pies!

[celest maple]

This....Actually sounds like some sort of social experiment. Will we try to build communism in Palia as well?

[lusty bluff]

It'll be perfect, because I'll be in charge and there's NO way I'd become a tyrant.

[patent dust]

knowing brittany, could you imagine if we could create and manage whole towns?

just seeing her animal crossing world...

[versed sail]

Is it epic?

[arctic onyx]

Ur describing Bitcraft

[celest maple]

Hahah! Yeaaaah, we believe you! We sure do!

[sleek furnace]

Iunno. I just wanna have a cute town with you guys and friends! We could have restraunts, cafes. All from crops we grew ourselves by helping each other. It just sounds fun and cute

[patent dust]

she built a castle

[fathom cairn]

I mean I've seen some mmos try town building and having a guild in charge with taxes n stuff

[molten spruce]

I found the answers

[sleek furnace]

Yeeeah I don't know what that is.

[patent dust]

like a full on castle. ramparts and all

[arctic onyx]

It’s another upcoming community focused MMO

[molten spruce]

Combat? We're not ready to get into detail on this yet, but we'll have both combat like systems, such as Hunting, and eventually more traditional combat. Like most of our skills, you'll be able to choose your level of participation in it.

• Unofficial Palia #ask the team faq

[arctic onyx]

Check #🎮│other-games in a sec

[sleek furnace]

To google I go!

[celest maple]

That sounds really nice, actually.

[versed sail]

It starts with "Bit" so nope. lol

[sleek furnace]

Ah thankies!

[arctic onyx]

What?

[sleek furnace]

Looks like I might have another game to wait around for

[arctic onyx]

It has nothing to do with crypto 💀

[versed sail]

Then they should change the name! 😄

[molten spruce]

what game, you, traitor?

[arctic onyx]

Bitcoin didn’t invent the word Bit 😭😭😭

[lusty bluff]

"Bit" has been around for a long time.

[sleek furnace]

#🎮│other-games

[versed sail]

I cannot WAIT to make a cute little Palian house and clutter my kitchen with jam jars (if they have them)

[celest maple]

Sigh, i have to run to work now...I hope, everyone will be allright here.
Take care, people! You really are amazing

[sleek furnace]

Ciao for meow!

[molten spruce]

ngl, i read that wrong.

[sleek furnace]

I think we would have to petition to have them made just for you

[versed sail]

Have a nice work!!

[lusty bluff]

Anywho, I'm gonna go commit some war crimes on GTA or something. Y'all have a good evening~♥

[past terrace]

Yeah I feel like right now a lot of people don't really know what Palia is, just "new MMO." Feel like a lot of expectations are going to be misplaced. I think it's going to be a very different game than the typical MMO..

[versed sail]

Steal a car for me! 😄

[sleek furnace]

@arctic onyx looks interesting but I'm not sure if it has the same draw as Palia. At least not for me.

[arctic onyx]

Yeah it’s vastly different

[sleek furnace]

Get all the violence out so that you can be wholesome when Palia releases!

[celest maple]

Yes, Your Highness!

[lusty bluff]

That's the plan!

[arctic onyx]

The closest upcoming game that comes to Palia’s feel is probably Hytale

E

[versed sail]

If you could run a shop in Palia, what would you sell?

[sleek furnace]

Looks like Minecraft..

[celest maple]

I wanna play palia o_o

[sleek furnace]

I might do a cafe or something! Or maybe clothes.

[arctic onyx]

It’s being developed by Minecraft modders, Hypixel are also the hosts of the largest mini-game server on Minecraft

[random light]

What is all your perceptions on having an exclusive xash shop model?

[versed sail]

I haven't heard anyone say clothes yet! That would be so cool!

[arctic onyx]

It’s being funded by Riot Games

[sleek furnace]

If they had a small design system like animal crossing, that would be fun!

[molten spruce]

sign up on the website, and pray that you get chosen for the alpha testing

[arctic onyx]

Actually they own the studio now

[sleek furnace]

I'm looking forward to Coral Island, but they don't have a release date yet

[versed sail]

There's a dressform in some of the promo pics and an NPC tailor!!! These are good signs!

[arctic onyx]

I don’t mind it

[sleek furnace]

Oh man that would be so great! I just design LoZ stuff XDXD

[molten spruce]

if you want an ACNH clone, look at Hokko life

[versed sail]

I'm going to need lots of clothes!

[sleek furnace]

I don't need another ACNH addiction.

[molten spruce]

you cant be my neighbor anymore

[sleek furnace]

I will design all the cute Jam inspired outfits for you!

[random light]

I am curious how much regular content they can churn out with just a cash shop. Of course it can work but the game needs a minikuk threshold of payers to get the return. Butni have no idea what that number is so!

[versed sail]

Why I don't own a Switch.

[buoyant heath]

Good night everyone!

[molten spruce]

later, toast

[sleek furnace]

I have a Majora's Mask inspired Island right now and it's just eating up so much time XD

[versed sail]

Goodnight, Baba!

[sleek furnace]

Night!

[versed sail]

I'm just hoping Palia is not as demanding. I hate when AC villagers start yelling at me for missing a day.

[sleek furnace]

Chop your own trees, then

[molten spruce]

its not like you were going to

[sleek furnace]

I would've helped! I'm nice like that

[sleek furnace]

I can't imagine that it would be, with it being an MMO

[molten spruce]

i wonder if there's a race to world's first... Banned after 5 mins in-game

[sleek furnace]

Just name everything Grape

[molten spruce]

they do constantly state that Palia is a chill game

[sleek furnace]

Here's my Grape Barn with my cows, Grape, graPe, and grapE

[molten spruce]

Maybe use other names.... we cant both be worlds first banned

[sleek furnace]

That would be another first, though

[versed sail]

Chill sounds so good to me right now. Just soaking in the sunshine and helping neighbours chop trees.

[sleek furnace]

Omg I know this is silly but it would be awesome if the characters could tan

[versed sail]

Watching the Chapaa raid the bins.

[dusty root]

Personally I wanna chill and fish. But if you need help chopping trees I'm down.

[versed sail]

Fishing is very relaxing!

[sleek furnace]

Gotta hit the beach regularly to get rid of the farmers tan

[versed sail]

I'm content to be here just daydreaming about all of these things with you folks!

[molten spruce]

The goal of Palia is to create a world free of physical, social and emotional threats, and to give players a real sense of community and belonging. Unlike traditional MMORPGs, players likely won't be fighting world-ending threats; rather, they'll be tasked with simply living their lives in a peaceful fantasy world, and exploring the ever-evolving narrative of the world.

Can't get any more chill than that

[severe owl]

i wanna play palia too... I wasn't accepted for the alpha test..

[versed sail]

We'll all get in eventually.

[dusty root]

I just wanna corner the fish economy. Cooks gotta cook and I aim to have high quality fish :V but also there were whispers of possible fishing tournaments. So that too.

[sleek furnace]

that sounds so dreamy

[molten spruce]

A lot of us were rioting earlier for not getting our hogwarts invitation letters

[sleek furnace]

I plan on cooking up all those yummy fish. You'll give me a good price, right?

[severe owl]

yea..

[sleek furnace]

omg lets make Hogwarts in Palia! 😍

[dusty root]

IDK about a good price, but I'm good with trading of goods and services too.

[molten spruce]

https://bit.ly/UnofficialPaliaGuide is a great read

[dusty root]

Like I give you some fish and I get some baked salmon in return o3o

[versed sail]

There was a lot of disappointed people after the Pre-Alpha waves went out, but it was a very small pool and a whole lot of fish trying to get in!

[past terrace]

I’ll have to look through all the game info posted so far but anyone know off the top of their head how they’re handling housing as far as like is it instances so only you see it, do other players see your housing, etc?

[dusty root]

There will be neighborhoods you can join. Beyond that I'm not sure.

[formal holly]

Ey. Its free

[versed sail]

We're so early. We're the pioneers of Palia!

[sleek furnace]

yup

[past terrace]

I think it’s really cool how in ffxiv you can see everyone’s houses. Hopefully it’s something similar!

[formal holly]

Hullo, I was wondering if we will be getting any special privileges though.

[sleek furnace]

@versed sail how did you get all of your tags?

[molten spruce]

Currently our housing is instanced off in private spaces - there will be ways for players to show off their plots but it will not be so free [edit - as running by someone's home]. As such, there is no shortage of real estate for players to have access to housing.```  - Unofficial Faq

[stable walrus]

roles channel

[molten spruce]

https://bit.ly/UnofficialPaliaFAQ

[versed sail]

I'm just happy I found out about this discord, cause it's been so great hanging out with you all. I love it here. I'll love it when we're all in too, I'm sure. But I'm happy here.

[sleek furnace]

This is my first time actually socializing on this server, but I've been on it for a while now

[versed sail]

Glad you finally piped up!

[molten spruce]

same

[sleek furnace]

Sharing the excitement is a lot more fun, for sure.

[stable walrus]

i joined today during the argument earlier

[formal holly]

I know right, its the same for me

[sleek furnace]

haha, fine time to join

[formal holly]

I even forgot how I got here tbh. Lol

[patent dust]

things have calmed down now, its not usually like that at all

[sleek furnace]

Yeah

[dusty root]

I'm active here off an on. Kinda in a semi-active phase rn. I use to write stories and random stuff but I'm kinda in a creative slump rn.

[versed sail]

I always seem to miss the drama. Mostly because it rarely happens.

[stable walrus]

things like that happen when theres so many people in a server

[sleek furnace]

I dunno if I was around for other bigger arguments, but the ones I was here for were fairly mellow, I thought.

[versed sail]

Discord is such a great way to get info to people fast! We share all the news and stay on top of everything!

[molten spruce]

its not really that bad

[gaunt vigil]

What was the drama about

[dusty root]

The free to play announcement

[versed sail]

I meant that about the game, not the drama

[dusty root]

You wouldn't think so many people would be mad about not having to spend money...

[sleek furnace]

I dunno if I wanna join Chaapa or Chuu

[sleek furnace]

Well its just historically F2P games are...icky

Loaded with microtransactions that players usually feel like should've just been part of the game to begin with.

[stable walrus]

i joined chapaa because it had less people and as a star wars nerd, i appreciate balance in the force

[patent dust]

people had valid concerns, its just that f2p has this reputation about it these days. once people give it a chance, i think itll all work out

[dusty root]

Yea but at the same time they want everyone to be able to enjoy it. Which at base level isn't a bad ideal.

[sleek furnace]

More like as long as the Devs stick to what they say they're gonna do, it should be fine.

[lusty berry]

Me frantically looking through Inbox, Spam, and Trash, to look for an alpha invite 😩

[sudden mulch]

well ball or ball wall

[molten spruce]

im not sure but i think the mods made the P-word a badword and deletes your comment

[sudden mulch]

a*

[dusty root]

Look, as long as the devs take a good hard look at New World and do the exact OPPOSITE, we'll be FINE

[sleek furnace]

So far I'm very hopeful, I've never heard of a combat-free MMO before and I'm excited

[molten spruce]

i was trying to say the drama earlier wasnt that bad. there weren't [censored] ascii art flying all over the place

[patent dust]

see theyre already ahead, unlike new world, palia has content

fun content*

[molten spruce]

it's not completely combat free

[sleek furnace]

Hunting but I'm not sure if that's gonna count as combat depending on the mechanics

[dusty root]

HUNTING

[plain iris]

Crying coz theres no invite email for me

[patent dust]

not 100% no, if you consider hunting combat. they may add more traditional combat in the future, but in small ways. not sure what they have in plan

[stable walrus]

i didnt get one either

[dusty root]

same

[patent dust]

hunting currently doesnt count as combat

[sleek furnace]

We're all crying in here together

[patent dust]

thats like saying hunting in runescape is a combat skill

[molten spruce]

This is from the unofficial FAQ: "Combat? We're not ready to get into detail on this yet, but we'll have both combat like systems, such as Hunting, and eventually more traditional combat. Like most of our skills, you'll be able to choose your level of participation in it."

[sleek furnace]

I just want the skills to have fun minigames. I hate the skills in FFXIV. It's so boring

[molten spruce]

im actually reading the faq my doods, im not as dumb as a rock

[dusty root]

I even warned the boyfriend ahead of time that if I didn't get one by Tuesday night that I was gonna be inconsolable. I went to bed early. No one saw the tears e.e

[sleek furnace]

cough could've fooled me >.>

[stable walrus]

i’m gonna be such a good chef you guys are all welcome to my future establishment

[molten spruce]

im only dumb at night time

[dusty root]

I have 2 brain cells and they are fighting for 3rd place.

[sleek furnace]

Oh no no no, you're gonna have to move that establishment to another town, I already claimed the restaurant market!

[plain iris]

I still intent to be something close as stronhest florist

[versed sail]

looks at concept art

[sleek furnace]

Fits your profile pic

[past terrace]

Definitely not super bad but this place is always super chill and friendly by comparison and it was a bit jarring to see people being argumentative here. I personally haven’t seen it like that before. Glad to see it’s died down tonight.

[stable walrus]

then i guess ill have to work for you

[molten spruce]

the 3rd one of mine won 4th last night. it's out drinking to celebrate

[patent dust]

trying to find some stuff from day 1 in ask the team, i remember quite a few different answers from devs on combat

[sleek furnace]

@plain iris I'll need some fancy floral decor for my restaurant

[plain iris]

Consider it done ✨

[sleek furnace]

work with me? Sounds like a plan! My restaurant will probably need more than one cook with how successful it'll be

[versed sail]

I need some pretty flowers for my shop!

[stable walrus]

and ill do better than the best i can to make sure you need me

[sleek furnace]

Maya's Jamboree will be next door

[dusty root]

I'm kinda evilly hoping that a lot of people who got keys dont check their emails. Or got mad about the free to play thing and wont play. Then maybe the devs will do another round of key give-outs to get the testing numbers up >.>;;; I'm a bad person.

[patent dust]

oh gosh i said pve combat a lot, that was before we knew about hunting specifically

[plain iris]

hahahaha just say the words!

[versed sail]

What an amazing name!

[sleek furnace]

the longer it takes to get through testing, the longer it takes for the game to release

[patent dust]

pvp, thats what im thinking of. there wont be pvp, as it wouldnt fit well within the game

[dusty root]

Yes but I also want the keys to get to people who actively want to play. If I happen to get one along the way thats just good luck :V

[plain iris]

I hope there will be pvp coz my boyfriend wont play if there isn't hahaha

[sleek furnace]

I think it would be cool if they put that focus into other physical skills. Like a dancing mini game or fire spinning

[sleek furnace]

Why would you need your boyfriend when you have us?

[dusty root]

RAINDANCING to make crops grow faster

[plain iris]

oof thats true

[molten spruce]

pvp as in biggest fish tournament would be fun

[sleek furnace]

😄

[stable walrus]

you want me to dance boss? i can dance if you need me to

[patent dust]

absolutely B)

[sleek furnace]

Hm. Yes. Some entertainment might be nice...

[stable walrus]

i can sing too

[molten spruce]

but pvp hoeing and plowing farming tournament.. not so much fun

[sleek furnace]

Oh lord. I think I'm making a strip club

[patent dust]

no clubs in palia D:

[versed sail]

They could have something like the Highland Games!

[dusty root]

Not just biggest fish. Biggest fish of each type. Or most fish caught in x time. Or NEIGHBORHOOD fishing competitions o.o

[sleek furnace]

...You really love fishing

[patent dust]

strip neighborhood

[molten spruce]

OK... im listening. you got my attention

[sleek furnace]

Ah it's time for me to head to bed now too! So nice chatting with you guys! Hopefully I'll see you all online tomorrow or something!

[molten spruce]

Inter-village fishing tourney. lets gooooo

[dusty root]

YASSSS

[stable walrus]

goodnight boss

[sleek furnace]

We can continue planning our town together!

[patent dust]

fishing, imo, is the best part of palia

[molten spruce]

ill be back during the next drama time

[patent dust]

im allowed to say that. but i cant tell you why

[molten spruce]

later fox

[versed sail]

I think I should probably sleep as well. It's so late it's early again!

[dusty root]

I don't even know what fishing is like in Palia, but I'm excited for it :3

[versed sail]

I'll be back in a bit to daydream with you all! ❤️

[plain iris]

wow, its like 2PM at my place, but good night to everyone going to bed hahaha

[distant otter]

Damn I just looked back into my pings and saw that I missed the alpha phase invites distributions

[dusty root]

... You better be the best fisher you can be. For me. Do it for me.

[versed sail]

Just check your email 🙂

[molten spruce]

panda, go back to farming and or fishing in game. i have to live my palia life vicariously through you

[patent dust]

something i beleive is safe to say cause devs have said it: its engaging, but not difficult. they wanted something kind of like stardew valley but not as hard in the beginning

a lot of people struggled with sdv fishing in the lower levels

[stable walrus]

i got a new realtor.com email but no invites

[patent dust]

i still get those spam emails T.T i already bought a house! i dont need to get ads

[dusty root]

Oh I've got LOADS of emails in my spam folder. Somehow they seem very not pg-13...

[timid prism]

yes you do

[stable walrus]

i can barely afford rent most of the time let alone an entire house

[molten spruce]

the nigerian prince hasn't emailed me back

[timid prism]

where would we be without our spam

[stable walrus]

in a utopia

[median patrol]

yo games free

[timid prism]

hungry

[median patrol]

thats lowkey sick that its free and not p2w

[patent dust]

i mean i probably could get a 2nd house but then again..why? wahts the point?

[molten spruce]

yeah, alot of people are excited

[distant otter]

Nah nothing came in, welp I just wonder how the team will make money since the game will be free to play if I understood the announcements well

[stable walrus]

is it even possible to win the game

[patent dust]

theres nothing to win

[stable walrus]

exactly so it couldnt be p2w

[molten spruce]

some people are arguing that cosmetics are p2w

[dusty root]

Winning the game seems to be just enjoying yourself. Whether that means skilling up, crafting the best stuff, becoming rich, socializing, whatever.

[molten spruce]

since you can't craft cash shop cosmetics

[distant otter]

Lol how xD

[stable walrus]

so the team with the best uniforms win in sports now?

[molten spruce]

to them, cosmetic is the end game

[patent dust]

fashion is a big thing for some people, but to me its not really like..a competition? like theres nothing that it gives you other than looking different

which with what theyre planing, even without buying anything you probably wont look the same as anyone else anyways

[versed nacelle]

[dusty root]

Some people literally want to afk all day in the best shiniest stuff. I say they can go to FF14 or Mabinogi and leave Palia to the rest of us who want to actually play.

[fervent root]

Morning

[molten spruce]

it's the limsa endgame

[timid prism]

I'm happy to spend a few bux on some nice duds

[molten spruce]

who doesn't want to afk in limsa with the best glam?

[fervent root]

I dont like fashion enough for me to spend irl money on it in a game, but i do care about what i look like

[molten spruce]

those few bucks actually go towards the devs too

[patent dust]

i like in game fashion as much as the next person, but theres much more to this game than how you lookk

[fervent root]

But i will support palia with a few

[stable walrus]

if i have extra spending money ill throw it towards some nice shiny stuff

[lone crane]

Ay yo this mabi slander

[timid prism]

even better

[stable walrus]

i need to sleep, i am at half my usual mental speed and thats already slow af

[dusty root]

LMAO I'm not hating, I still like Mabi too. Really wish they would update the game engine tho.

BUT ANYWAYS PALIA AMIRITE.

[plain iris]

maybe they can also add something like battlepass as monetization

[lone crane]

Bruh lol

[tardy dagger]

B-but.. how would that work..?

[mystic ravine]

have we had any view of the progession systems yet?

[molten spruce]

oh jez f'ing christ... stay away from me

[stable walrus]

goodnight new friends

[molten spruce]

later friend

[plain iris]

idk something like genshin impact huhu, coop with another player 100 times

[plain iris]

meh just a suggestion

[dusty root]

Palia battlepass... skins for weapons, rods... stuff? Cuz I'd hope they wouldn't do xp boosts n stuff unless it was a global triggered event for the whole server...

[mystic ravine]

they could easily introduce a battle pass esque thing, just not have it locked behind anything to extreme

[plain iris]

but i dont buy any battlepass from other games too tho hahaa

[molten spruce]

battlepass creates an artificial need for grind, specially gated behind a paywall, kinda opposite of the "chill" mantra of palia

[mystic ravine]

then just make the grind just stuff you do anyway, but battlepass holders get an additional reward

csgo's recent battle pass rewarded a unique currency that you could use on multiple different things, rather than rewarding a certain item you might not even like

[molten spruce]

ive tried multiple instances of battlepass, from halo to f2p war thunder... it SUCKS. you grind the crap all day and get little to none in return unless you fork the cash

[mystic ravine]

exactly so make the pass not require a grind, have levels just be 'log in tomorrow', 'wave hello to 3 npc's'

stuff more to immerse you rather than be a grind

[molten spruce]

and if i pay cash, i can skip those?

[mystic ravine]

no you just pay for the pass and it gives additional rewards

s6 has to make money somehow lol

[molten spruce]

thats close p2w territory. when you pay money to do less but gain something of value others have to grind for.

[dusty root]

Hmmm. They could do a free battlepass that gives very little premium currency that could be used in the cash shop if you grind enough. And a premium battlepass that doubles the rewards for like 5$ or something. It would incentivize playing while earning towards getting something money locked. But again it still leads to pressure to play...

[mystic ravine]

i shouldve said its purely cosmetic rewards from the hypothetical pass* nothing else

[molten spruce]

or just buy something from the cash shop

[plain iris]

yea. i dont want the game to die just coz theres no money, or if s6 realise they need money and start doing p2w all of a sudden

[mystic ravine]

true but a cash shop doesnt incentivise playtime

[molten spruce]

ok, maybe ive only seen bad samples of battlepass, you should do the Q&A form and submit a good example of it

[woeful spear]

I'm just glad there is no lootboxes or FOMO
What a relief
Gm

[dusty root]

If I can earn 5$ worth of currency by completing all 100 levels of the pass and that can buy me an outfit from the cash shop, then yea, I'd be more incentivized to play as would a lot of others. But I want to play regardless so.....

[mystic ravine]

yea almost all teams (aka blizzard) go way too far with pass/fomo stuff, which would probably be a honeytrap for devs

[molten spruce]

but the nature of battlepass is that you pay real world money to complete all 100 levels faster. thats the incentive... of the game studio. just google Halo Battlepass and you will understand

[mystic ravine]

ah ive never played a game where you can pay for battle pass levels

csgo/dbd are my only exposure to them

[dusty root]

someone hasn't played any of the recent call of duty games...

[mystic ravine]

never played any cod lol

once i find a game, i usually stick to it for years then eventually move on

[woeful spear]

And I don't think seasonpass (since there is no combat in the game, I will call it that) suits the concept of "Palia will not monetize things you earn through gameplay"...

[unborn dune]

Yeah a BP doesn't really fit here

[mystic ravine]

has s6 said that?

[odd needle]

I... didn't see a clear "NO LOOTBOXES" statement, just "no need to buy loot boxes" though? At least after reading the blog page a couple of times.

[molten spruce]

there is one kinda good way, deep rock galactic. they have a seasonal thing thats similar to a battlepass, you complete it, you get these awesome cosmetic. OR you just outright buy the cosmetic and you continue to chip away on the battlepass (or ignore it completely)

[tacit flame]

Yeah they said it a couple hours ago

[mystic ravine]

ok scratch everything ive said in the last 20 mins LMAO

[unborn dune]

Now that you mention it, it is odd phrasing... It would be pretty stupid of them to include lootboxes, but clarification would be nice

[fiery gale]

Personally I much prefer f2p with buyable cosmetics I can shell $10 whenever I want as opposed to an $11 monthly subscription that I have to pay every month to play the game and if I play less that month my money is essentially wasted (I'm looking at you OldSchool RuneScape)

[tacit flame]

I mean that kinda just implies it wouldnt happen most likely is weird phrasing

[wheat heron]

Judging by the video they put on the blogpost, regular players will be in fairly generic grey/beige clothes. Only for pay players will have skinned/custom outfits that look like hikers/crafters

[woeful spear]

LoL has lootboxes too, if you can call them like that
But you can still buy a specific skin you want or earn the lootbox for free, so imo it's not a big deal anyway

[hidden lynx]

the TLDR literally says you wont need to buy lootboxes or get content through a rotating store...

[tacit flame]

Oh god no my worst fear

[patent dust]

it says you wont be forced, not that they dont exist

[hidden lynx]

its the fourth point in the TLDR if you DONT want to read the entire blog

[wheat heron]

https://palia.com/palia-business-model/

[hidden lynx]

TL;DR (but we highly encourage the full read!)
– Palia will be free-to-play
– Palia will monetize cosmetic items
– Palia will not monetize things you earn through gameplay
– You won’t need to buy loot boxes or get content through a rotating store
– We commit to being open and honest in communicating decisions or changes we make in this space

[wheat heron]

It's their own video. Maybe I'm misinterpreting but we'll see

[odd needle]

Yeah that's... kinda my point? I would vastly prefer lootboxes just... not even exist

[plain iris]

having cosmetics item 100% available only through cash is bad tho

[patent dust]

The key takeaway is that you won’t be forced to buy loot boxes
i think this is whats tripping people up

[unborn dune]

The point here is that it says "Won't need to buy", not "No lootboxes"
Feel like they'd get backhanded by everyone if they then DID include lootboxes, but again, clarification goes a long way

[patent dust]

keyword being forced, to some implies they may be there

[dusty root]

Alright I might get hate for this, but I kinda hope the outfits in the cash shop aren't account bound and can be traded. But that might cross the line of 'can't earn things you can buy' because then you could earn enough in game money and buy it from someone who spent real money...

[tacit flame]

But having majority of cosmetics and/all the good cosmetics behind a paywall isnt better and divides players

[mystic ravine]

i really doubt ALL good cosmetics will be cash only

[fluid wigeon]

What’s wrong with paid cosmetics?

[tacit flame]

I mean, im hopping that just a basic example of a beginner looking attire as we only saw one outfit that wasnt bought but god if all non-buyable clothes are like that, thats just rlly shitty

[patent dust]

ill just say wait for the Q&A, you can submit your questions and maybe have it answered

[mystic ravine]

nothing as long as they dont hard focus too much on them at the expense of the rest of the game

[molten spruce]

this is what's tripping people, that there are really nice looking cash shop only cosmetics.

[patent dust]

link to submit a question is in the last game announcement

[hidden lynx]

I don't feel like this will cause a divide? If the ONLY thing in game you spend money on is cosmetics I have never seen that cause an issue between the people who have that and don't - sea of thieves does this, WOW does this... like its not new and you get all of the actual content of the game and story ect for free... you arent MISSING out on anything except how your personal character is decorated?

[fluid wigeon]

I’d imagine the people working on paid cosmetics are separate from gameplay designers/programmers with their team size

[unborn dune]

Exhibit A: Township Tale...

[dusty root]

And PLEASE let them keep the cosmetic outfits purely cosmetic. No adding buffs to the premium clothes...

[lofty mulch]

This is fine, as long as there are really nice looking non cash shop only cosmetics.

[odd needle]

I would also add to a few people who mentioned battle passes... there are some ways to make them okay, but by nature they are designed to induce FOMO to increase engagement. So... I hope they stay out too

[patent dust]

nah, they definitely wouldnt do that. they dont want anyone to have any advantage gameplay-wise over another

[molten spruce]

the drama time earlier says otherwise, they wont let go of the fact that they cant have these items in game, regardless

[tacit flame]

The main problem is that Palia really pushed the customization parts as a huge point of the game which drew a lot of players(such as me) into the game but now a big part of it is behind a paywall. It’s inconvenient and ruins the thrill of being able to represent yourself and be/look whatever you want

[mystic ravine]

almost certainly there will extremely good cosmetics locked behind achievements rather than money, and i know which one i'd rather have

[unborn dune]

We don't know how much will be behind the paywall. The ideal is there to be more earnable cosmetics than purchasable.

[patent dust]

how do you know a big part will be paid? there can be a ton of options free, too

[tacit flame]

Customization is a huge thing in the game, no doubt theres gonna be a divide between the characters that look good(ie cosmetics that are bought) and those who dont(craftable cosmetics)

[lofty mulch]

I was one of the pushers for funding by cosmetics but now that they've announced it... I'm on the fence.

[dusty root]

I'm simply saying that because one of my favorite games became a lost cause once the company sold it off to another. Clothes that RARELY had MAYBE at highest a +5 stat buff, last I checked, now had like +150 stat buff. Completely ruined the game.

[fluid wigeon]

Fair enough, but what if you could represent yourself fully with free cosmetics and had no interest in the paid ones? I think it’s too early to hate on cosmetics. It’s a good way IMO to keep the lights on for the studio as long as it’s not pay to win and there are decent options for f2p players unlike mobile games.

[woeful spear]

Since everyone is sceptical about cosmetics, what they should monetize after all?

[unborn dune]

Sorry, are you a developer of the game? Have access to their engine?
No?
We do not know how different they will be.
It could be different and be awful, it could be great, we don't know. Stop acting like you do.

[tacit flame]

There could be lots, im just going by what i see a lot in mmorpgs with paid cosmetics. Its my main fear as someone who was drawn in with the customization that all good stuff is behind a paywall

[lofty mulch]

Except that until they confirm this people are going to be doom n' gloom

[hidden lynx]

I think without knowing or seeing the game and how much is and isnt behind a paywall it is better to not make assumptions one way or the other. In my personal opinion S6 cares SO MUCH about thier game and the community around it - and like they arent going to say hey you can look how you want but only if you pay for it... thats not the goal? you get outfits... and not even ALL of the outfits and NO ONE knows what the ratio between paid and free will be...

[molten spruce]

we actually do know how different, thanks to the video on the blog post

[placid ingot]

I just hope the game will be available to play in my country. Been hyped about the game since the trailer, now I see Loot box and I’m kinda scare I will never be able to play it due to loot box regulation in Belgium… please don’t tell me I’ve been hyped about a game I won’t be able to play.

[dusty root]

I would be perfectly fine if they decided to monetize a x2 exp boost that when bought activated the boost FOR THE ENTIRE SERVER for like 30 minutes or something. But no individual boosts.

[patent dust]

thats understandable, but id say with what ive seen from s6 so far, youve got to give them a chance to prove theyre different

[lofty mulch]

I do hope the marketing team is working overtime to show that there won't be a divide between paid outfits and crafted outfits

[unborn dune]

People assume the worst from the gaming industry. Honestly? Can't blame them.

[hidden lynx]

I think the fact that the game I is FREEEEE should be the takeaway from this announcement. the game is free so its open to as many people as possible. and that is AMAZING

[lofty mulch]

but then if they show that people ask "what's the point of buying cosmetics when you can just work for them?"

[tacit flame]

Simply my view on this 🤷

[quaint oxide]

.

[patent dust]

the concerns make sense, but im just sayin let it happen, then make a choice based on that

[unborn dune]

I more meant we don't know how they compare to non-cash shop stuff

[patent dust]

no use in saying waht if

[woeful spear]

Say hello to Ubisoft, EA and so on

[hidden lynx]

agreed - dont make opinions and assumptions before you even see the system implemented or finished.

[dusty root]

How dare you soil this server with those vulgar offensive names....

[patent dust]

get in on that Q&A too! i think they plan to record it if you cant join

[tacit flame]

That’s true, i mean i really wished they went into more elaboration on it as monetized cosmetics scares a lot of us who are drawn to the game because of cosmetics, ofc there is that upcoming QnAs tho im not one for listening to a 2 hour podcast waiting for just a few questions to be answered

[fluid wigeon]

I don’t see how this is the worst tbh. Optional cosmetics seems like the least harmful form of micro transaction especially considering servers costs and massive salary burn from a talented team. I’m not even sure what other alternative they can do to have consistent revenue.

[hidden lynx]

I would much rather see the hype that the game is free, and you will be able to play with whoever you want! like that is amazing??? They havent told us at all until now and everyone is so hung up on but money for clothes and focusing on what if this and that and not the absolute AMAZING FACT that the GAME IS FREE... you get to experience palia for free...

[wild thicket]

I mean there are always downsides to f2p too, it’s not always a good thing, it reduces barrier to entry for the well-minded users, but also does the same for people wanting to use it for Ill-gain, harassment and automation.

[tacit flame]

Tbh much rather pay for it than cosmetics 😣

[odd needle]

Yeah I'm not too worried about paid cosmetics. Definitely the least predatory and most acceptable form of mtx in the gaming industry right now

[molten spruce]

I feel like if the announcement today was that Palia will be $13 paid monthly sub, we will still have people unhappy of how evil S6 is...

[hidden lynx]

With Palia being a Community based MMO I very much would rather it be open and available to as many people as possible - and this option gives that

[patent dust]

yeah there was concerns for that super early on too. they have ways to deal with that in the best way they can

[fiery gale]

This chat is full of tin foil hat speculations when really no one knows anything about how they are monetizing the game excepts that they will be monetizing cosmetics only.

I for one am heavily for that after seeing RuneScape 3, a game with an $11 sub also became Pay2Win (being able to buy loot boxes for special items that actually effect gameplay and bonus experience points). It was ridiculous and I'm glad Palia won't be falling into that category where people feel the need to spend money to advance their character progress while also paying a subscription fee at the same time.

It could be a lot worse and I think this chat is full of tin foil hat speculations when we really know so little about what their system will look like excepts what has been formally stated.

[unborn dune]

I'll be fine with cosmetics as long as a good selection still remains available in-game. It would be a fair balance.

[wild thicket]

And I hope they do, but it’s a very very big moving target that almost no one in the industry has solved unfortunately

[patent dust]

rs3 is a horrible place T.T its why a lot of devs left, the microtransactions

[woeful spear]

True! I think it's better to spend 5-10$ on fancy clothes than to just try the game. And not much of people can afford subscription, I think it ruins the concept of social mmo too.

[unborn dune]

Also, easier to convince your friends to try a free MMO than a paid one.

[patent dust]

yeah its nearly impossible to completely remove the ability to cheat or harass, but with a good community and active devs, i think it can be mitigated quite a bit

[molten spruce]

What i wan to know is if i can gift cosmetics to other players

[patent dust]

this is pretty much a given, theres no way you cant buy thngs for friends

[fluid wigeon]

Gifting cosmetics would be awesome and that’d be something I’d love to do to randoms

[hidden lynx]

it just makes me sad that they announce something super super cool and instead of focusing on the good and positive the chat is all but it can be bad because XYZ ABC and no one knows anything yet 😦 like can we be hyped for a free game D:

[fiery gale]

This is something I'd be highly interested in!

[molten spruce]

you cant do that in FFXIV afiak

[dusty root]

It depends on the person. Personally?Subscription? No. Under 60$? Maybe. Under 20$? Yes. Free? HECK YES.

[patent dust]

thats dumb T.T

[molten spruce]

or WoW

[plain iris]

this

[fluid wigeon]

Hopefully with gifting you can cater to players that are ok with micro transactions and the community can gift to players that can’t afford it. So servers still can keep running lol

[unborn dune]

I'd be inclined to agree but I've been burned by F2P before. It can work, don't get me wrong. I'm very excited for it being free.
There's just some concerns that the devs could do with clearing up. Which they likely will in the qa

[fiery gale]

I would not even consider playing Palia if it was subscription based, unless someone close to me was very very into the game.

[patent dust]

with how much they push playing and interacting and making friends, theres definitely gunna be gifting

[odd needle]

I am just really, really, really hoping that they just don't include lootboxes or a season/battle pass. Both of those trends need to die.
It sounds like they are doing the least harmful variant of mtx though so. I was honestly anticipating F2P with mtx of some kind so I was cautiously optimistic before... now I firmly just optimistic (once we can confirm 0 lootboxes...)

[hidden lynx]

As someone who has played I can tell you this game is everything I have ever wanted and more and I love it immensely

[patent dust]

id consider playing with sub, but itd be difficult..i make like 60 a year lol

[tacit flame]

Lootboxes were confirmed to not happen unless they change their minds in the future which i doubt

[dusty root]

You give me so much hope for this Q.Q

[patent dust]

id have to ask my wife to pay it lol

[woeful spear]

Capitalism 😔

[odd needle]

Mood

[molten spruce]

gifting is a hard thing to implement specially when RMT is involved

[fiery gale]

Is RMT = RWT?

[molten spruce]

real money trading

[fiery gale]

ah, Real world trading is what I'm familiar with

[unborn dune]

aka real world trading, same thing

[patent dust]

yeah im concerned about RWT, but we shall have to see how they implement everything first

[molten spruce]

wow and ffxiv calls it RMT, i grew up on that term

[arctic onyx]

Runescape moment

[fiery gale]

I think if purchases are cosmetic only they shouldn't really have a legitimate RWT value? Unless people want to get rid of the items or something as they don't play anymore or something like that, but they'd likely get less from someone than what they paid for it officially

[celest maple]

I’d just like to know a release date 🙃

[fiery gale]

Like it's not like people are going to be RWT billions of Gold or whatever as seen in RuneScape

[arctic onyx]

When the sun dies out

[patent dust]

off topic, but uh...if anyone is good with anagrams, ive got "A LEARN" and i cant find anything with anagram solvers. for some reason they keep putting in letters that i dont type in

[tacit flame]

Heard its supposedly next year tho idk where they got that from

[molten spruce]

if you give me 100g plus all your trees and harvest this season, i'll buy you two cash shop cosmetics...

[fiery gale]

Ah I didn't consider it that way

[patent dust]

official release date has not been said, but whoanonstop has been saying about 2.3 years or so

[wheat heron]

You're right about FFXIV, the cash shop is pretty slim and basically amounts to level boosts and a few random mounts. WoW, however has the WoW token which turns into actual in-game gold. Making the entire game pay to win.

[fiery gale]

Yeah I suppose RWT boosting for resources or something could be a problem of sorts, but I can't see it being a major issue personally? Seems like more hassle than it's worth but some people do just having money to spend. I was just specifically speaking in regards to RWT previously purchased items from a shop, or selling accounts or something like that

[molten spruce]

yeah, its soooo bad lol. people literally buy anything in game from gold to people running dungeons by buying wow tokens

[fiery gale]

RuneScape has a big account selling problem/name selling problem

[patent dust]

accounts, names, gold

its insane in runescape. even in osrs, but jagex seems to be coming down on it a bit

[fiery gale]

Debt streamers from the duel arena, lol

[molten spruce]

RMT/RWT becomes an issue because the in game economy gets affected, either inflation or artificial deflations

[patent dust]

or at least trying to. i still love that theyre aganst rwt, but implemented multiple MTX to allow RWT

[molten spruce]

if i spend enough money by trading your resources and gold for cosmetics, i can buy out and control the marketboards

[patent dust]

god i hate rs3 lol

and i hate this dang anagram T.T

[molten spruce]

i love solving anagrams

[patent dust]

runelite isnt helping cause its the birthday event and google tells me nothing

[arctic onyx]

Isn’t Jagex working on a new MMO?

[fiery gale]

Having played the game I can't really see it being a major problem to be honest, but that was in a small pre-alpha test so obviously it could be much different when hundreds of thousands of people are playing. Either way it'll be interesting to see how the economy ends up functioning with a full scale player base I think

[patent dust]

no idea, i remmber they did scrolls or something like that a long time ago, but ive only ever known runescape

[fiery gale]

Hopefully RWT isn't too big of a problem

[arctic onyx]

Seems like they are

[molten spruce]

if there is economy and marketboard to sell/buy in game, you can manipulate it if you have the gold.

[fiery gale]

I think if it were to become a problem, S6 seem pretty involved and would try to shut it down as much as possible

Impossible to know at this point though, just pure speculation

[molten spruce]

if you've ever played FFXIV, there are Data Centers, in a data center, you can transfer from one server to the next, the legacy servers has the most expensive items on the marketboard, because they are the richest players in the game. in some servers, having 10-30million gold is rich, in legacy, 100-300mil is rich

[fiery gale]

Interesting 🤔

To be honest, everything about FFXIV's market just seems absolutely fucked to hell for lack of a better phrase

Pardon my French lol

[patent dust]

i figured out the anagram! it was a person's name, which is why solvers couldnt solve it

[wheat heron]

It honestly sounds like you have no idea whatsoever what you're talking about.

[molten spruce]

another example is WoW's season of mastery early days. They allowed fully geared, fully loaded players to transfer to a budding world and the first thing they did was buy out the market and tank the economy before Blizz could put a stop on server transfers. That too a minute to stabilize and even then, it has left a scar in the market.

[simple shuttle]

thank you Palia for the lovely business model! I had feared that my friends will be divided to those who can play and those who can't and now everyone can play! also in my experience in mmos even though I have played also a game with sub, there are times I don't want to play it much and then it doesn't feel worth it and can't just play a bit. have to stop completely until more time. also those times when I work a game without sub but a nice shop can get a lot of support from me but then when less money can still play and not be forced to buy stuff! your model is like the best of best!

[fiery gale]

Houses being limited and sold for millions up millions of gil or whatever it is literally equating to thousands of real world dollars isn't exactly a good market, IMO 👍

[molten spruce]

housing a different monster we dont talk about in XIV

[fiery gale]

I've not played FFXIV so I don't know the full extent of it and you are right - but the housing market in particular is just disgusting to me

[wheat heron]

There's no connection in any way shape or form of in game money to outside real world money. There's no way in FFXIV whatsoever to exchange real cash money for in game money

[fiery gale]

You don't know about RWT then or choose to ignore it's a problem

[molten spruce]

there's no "artificial scarcity" there's just scarcity.. pain... suffering... and hell when it comes to FFXIV housing

[wheat heron]

The existence of extra-legal activities outside of the game doesn't translate to a criticism of the development of the game itself. That's absurd

[fiery gale]

It's absurd to not consider the implications of RWT in a game where RWT massively effects to economy, in my opinion. But we can agree to disagree

[wheat heron]

The fact that I can steal a diamond ring for $50 doesn't suddenly make the $5,000 diamond ring in the jewelry shop any more or less valuable

[molten spruce]

there was a way people where selling houses in FFXIV and its also possible with RWT/RMT

but i think that was patched out awhile back

[wheat heron]

Sure. But what does that have to do with the price of beans?

[molten spruce]

oh never mind, i thought we were talking about ff housing and real money lol

just ignore me, mega hahahaha

[wheat heron]

Perhaps I misunderstood. I was just trying to understand how it related to Palia and could not figure out the connection.

And to be honest I'm still utterly baffled by the person who said the pitiful mogstation offerings of FF14 were insanely predatory and that WoW was tame. While flatly ignoring the existence of the WoW token

[molten spruce]

cash shop gifting -> gifting good? -> gifting bad because RMT/RWT -> samples of how I can use gifting for evil -> samples of RMT in other games - FF Housing is evil

i used to make a hustle by manipulating the XIV market on thursdays... i would stay up for fashion report, buy out the glams for it, then sell it for 5-10X the regular price. specially the dyes. ooooh such a money making scam.

[wheat heron]

Sure, that's just being smart with the in-game economy.

[molten spruce]

it didnt always work and i end up with tons of surplus lol

[patent dust]

im out for the night, see you all tomorrow o/

[celest maple]

Ey question!

Can we marry other players in palia please?!?

[molten spruce]

Good night yall, ill be back tomorrow for more low quality bait

[patent dust]

not yet, but its a possibility in the future. theres romance currently, just not marriage

also i lied, im bad at leaving

[wheat heron]

Same here. Good night. Hopefully tomorrow someone can convince me free to play isn't inherently toxic and designed to suck my wallet dry instead of actually making the game fun, enjoyable, and respectful of my time spent in -game. Or maybe the Q&A will show that... who knows? Time to go fall asleep to my haterade lol

[arctic onyx]

Have a good night, I hope your dreams will be full of sub-to-play monetization schemes! ❤️

[wheat heron]

I'm sure they will! Thank you Yoshi-P for being the heckin best

https://tenor.com/view/sleepy-sleepy-sleepy-pandas-tired-nap-time-baby-panda-gif-20711431

[molten spruce]

dont worry, ill buy you cosmetics

[plain aurora]

I am with you on this one. So sad about these news.

[fiery gale]

This made me chuckle lol

[woeful spear]

I see everyone is so traumatized with f2p experiences in other games..

[fiery gale]

I'm so anti-sub2play I'm not sure why people would want it

[arctic onyx]

lmao 💀

[plain aurora]

I've seen it so many times where the devs have really good intentions, but it always end up like shit

[fiery gale]

I'm personally traumatized with sub2play so I'm happy about f2p and I don't really think S6 would botch it, but it's always a possibility a suppose. If people assume the worst then they will be utterly surprised if it's actually good I guess?

[molten spruce]

my buddie wouldnt play this after recovering from eve and wow addictions... but after i told him its f2p, he was ok with it

i believe warframe and PoE are success stories when it comes to F2P mmos, please correct me if im wrong here as i havent touch either games in a long time

[fiery gale]

Exactly how I feel about RuneScape, lol. It's a reason why I never got into FFXIV, because I'm not going to pay for a sub for a game that I'm not even sure if I actually wind up liking it

[woeful spear]

I just hope these news won't separate the community, but it happens already..

[fiery gale]

Like, I played the demo and it was pretty fun while it lasted but not knowing how endgame content is at all and having it completely locked behind a sub to play model, I could just never bring myself to actually spend the money on a sub when I don't even know if I'll like that content or not

[molten spruce]

there are free players in FFXIV, they live in ARR and HW. its f2p up to that point

[fiery gale]

I think I played before HW was free so maybe I'll have to give you another shot. I think at the time the level cap for free players was like only 30 or 45 or something but now they've extended it to 60, correct?

[plain aurora]

I dont think it will separate in that sense. Personally I want to give them the benefit of the doubt, but I was not happy to hear the news.

[molten spruce]

yeah, level cap to 60 but no time limit. ive known people who have capped all their jobs plus crafting/gathering to 60 and havent paid a cent

its also the PURE f2p experience since you cant use the market board or buy cash shop items. you craft everything

[spring rivet]

Palutations!

[fallen summit]

Happy timezones everyone!

[fallen elbow]

FFXIV discouraged me quite a lot with their housing situation... Apartments aren't the same as a house in a neighbourhood. >_>

[fallen elbow]

Heyo Ducky 😄

[fallen elbow]

Happy timezones Kin.

[barren veldt]

F2P with cosmetics isn't inherently good or bad. In my opinion it depends on the context of the game. It's great for pvp games like e.g. League of Legends or Fortnite, or arpgs like Path of Exile. The focus of those games isn't cosmetics. I'm quite worried about Palia though. From what we've seen from the screenshots, the focus of this game seems to heavily be on cosmetics (decorating your house with nice furniture, etc). Having a lot of those locked in the cash shop would ruin the game for a lot of people. And it might incentivize the developers to make the cash shop items look better than the free earnable ones. Having a way to earn all cosmetics for free could be a solution. I'll remain cautiously optimistic till we get more concrete information though.

[worthy pivot]

Personally I’m just mega excited to play the game.

[fallen elbow]

Yeah, in some games fashion becomes the true endgame even though it's not the focus of it.
Examples I experienced: Warframe, Guild Wars 2, FFXIV and maybe some others where fashion was kinda becoming endgame.
In most of these you were able to get the fashion as a less spending player...
What I don't want is something I encountered in GW2: Characters shining like the sun and destroying the immersion of the game by presence alone.
The examples in the blog post seem to be a bit more immersive but I too fear that the itemshop stuff may look more fancy than the achievable ingame stuff. Hm... We'll see.

[brisk meadow]

The games gotta earn money one way or the other in any case, I just hope cosmetics won't be too pricy

[molten spruce]

I woke up. Cash shop cosmetics are inherently or by nature, supposed to be really good looking or no one will buy them. The only thing that makes them better is if there are nice craftable cosmetics that look just as good.

[fiery gale]

I'm happy for no $11 sub, no $60 or $40 price tag, personally

Hoping DLC doesn't become paid l8r on

Or something

[brisk meadow]

I feel like later additions will be free content updates but I could be wrong

[woeful spear]

I don't think there is dlcs for mmos...

But I didn't really play any, so I might be wrong

[molten spruce]

There are, usually called expacs

[brisk meadow]

Expansions if you will

[warm plover]

yeah, ffxiv has a bunch

you get the free trial through the base game and one expansion

[woeful spear]

Oh, now I know more

[molten spruce]

Ffxiv just released endwalker, wow had shadowlands, both cost $40 on top of paid subscription

[fiery gale]

FFXIV has expac, monthly sub, and mtx

[brisk meadow]

One-time paywalls on top of a sub model is... not very likeable imo

[fiery gale]

Used to have entry fee too

All I'm saying is, it could be a lot worse

[barren veldt]

Not a f2p game obviously, but ffxiv's in-game cosmetics look just as good as the ones on the cash shop.

[molten spruce]

It depends, I didn’t mind ffxiv’s endwalker or even shadowbringer but wow bfa and shadowland was a joke, I wish I could get a refund for the game, the sub and the time I wasted

[barren veldt]

Is that worse though? It all depends on what you're playing the game for. Do some people play ffxiv for the cosmetics? Definitely. Is that the majority of the playerbase though? Probably not.

[patent dust]

psst why didnt you tell anyone you were an alpha tester?

[warm plover]

cause i wanted that reaction

[patent dust]

sneaky :v

[molten spruce]

Until they released that one Alexander boss mount. Ooooh people were mad then everyone bought it anyway. I was in my cruise chaser, day one.

[chrome ridge]

hi ❤️ happy timezones everyone :3 just wanted to pop in and say hi! I had to take a pretty extensive break bc mental health, but happy to be back Hope everyone has a great day !<3

[molten spruce]

In the words of AmeliaMarz, are y’all excited for f2p?!

[mortal cloak]

Honestly a sub is by no means a guarantee that the rest of the model won't be predatory... Look at WoW quintuple-dipping into monetisation

• expansion box price
• sub
• cosmetic shop
• level boosts
• Buying in-game gold with real money

[fiery gale]

This ^

[molten spruce]

That wow token can buy more than just gold, it can buy dungeon runs and “friends”

[warm plover]

i'd prefer a sub just for the extra leeway in terms of how they get money, although as you said it can go bad (like in wow)
dunno how it'll go for palia, but we'll see

[barren veldt]

No business model offers any guarantee. A sub however does provide a steady cash flow to potentially make more content. That being said, I don't think a sub model would be right for Palia. The game looks like it will attract a large casual audience which wouldn't be too happy about having to pay for a sub.

[molten spruce]

Not everyone can afford a sub and a small studio like S6 doesn’t have the name or backing to ask for sub in a sea of f2p bigger than them

[fiery gale]

Personally, I think sub models are always worse, and generally they are predatory. I don't mind RuneScape's model for OldSchool RuneScape too much because I don't have to pay extra for any cosmetics or DLC to play the entirety of the game and I can access all content inherently. RuneScape 3 is another matter but even just paying for an OldSchool RuneScape sub I gain access to RuneScape 3 as well, even though I personally don't play it much

Also, sub models inherently suck because let's say you pay for the sub but only have a little time to play each month, then your money is just going down the drain

[barren veldt]

That's all personal really. I don't mind paying for a sub and only playing a few hours that month. As long as I had a lot of fun with those hours.

[molten spruce]

I’ve prepaid for 6 months in both ffxiv and wow before. I forgot to say I still do for xiv

[fiery gale]

I often cancel my OSRS sub because of a lack of time to play

[winged tangle]

I'm a long-time player for ffxiv of many years and I have paid sub for most of that time. That said, I can see why it's often a deterrent for people. I pay it because I have a long-lasting love for the game, but ordinarily I wouldn't do it

[mortal cloak]

Devs have said the shop cosmetics won't craftable... The next big thing I'm looking for confirmation on is whether they will be tradeable (like SWTOR and WoW token) or not (like PoE or FF14)

Because that makes the in game currency meaningless

[molten spruce]

But f2p will be the better model for palia to grow, also if they self publish and have a direct cash shop(not through any game storefronts) then the devs will really benefit

[woeful spear]

Subscription or not, every monetization system can be predatory
I just hope it won't be like that, but I trust S6 and believe they will make it good

[lament kraken]

They did say it would be customization options only, so if the prices are good. I see no problem as they're entirely optional

[thorn hemlock]

I see a problem with it if the in game ones suck and the store stuff actually looks good

[lament kraken]

Personally I wouldn't mind paying for customizations knowing it will also help the game. I'm not gonna pay €20-€30 for a simple skin tho however you know

[winged tangle]

I don't think sub is inherently bad, I think the issue arises when multiple monetised avenues appear in layers, ffxiv and wow being great examples. Paying for the game, then paying to play, then paying to access story/level jumps, paying to access shop exclusives etc.

I much rather pay a sub that gives me perks as an incentive and I know that money goes straight to further developing the game!

[thorn hemlock]

Apex legends would like to know your location

[molten spruce]

Cash shop items will need to look good or no one will buy them. That’s a fact.

[viral roost]

Good morning to everyone except those with an alpha invite 😅

[lament kraken]

True

[brisk meadow]

I feel the inner rage in this comment lol

[molten spruce]

Only thing we need are 2b pants in game then it will be ok

[winged tangle]

a true ffxiv player 🤣

[mortal cloak]

Exactly. The question is whether the in-game items also look great (see DRG) or if the core game loop is fun enough that they don't matter (see PoE)

[lament kraken]

I won't lie tho, I was kind of expecting a base price for the game. So the free announcement took me by surprise

[barren veldt]

I mean do we even know what the core game loop is yet? To me it seems like mostly gathering and crafting stuff like furniture, etc.

[viral roost]

I’m more concerned that there will be a very limited amount to attainable cosmetics through gameplay and seemingly boundless amounts of paid ones, weekly perhaps, and this would lead to the only real sense of rarity coming from purchased items

[barren veldt]

Where have they said this?

[molten spruce]

If you are talking about deep rock galactic, I like their “dlc” model where they sell you cool cosmetic sets that support the devs

[mortal cloak]

Well if they could fire me an alpha invite I could form an opinion on that too :p

[lament kraken]

Mood

[civic shadow]

Im okay with limited cosmetic through gameplay as long as everthing for your home is vaiable through gameplay

[woeful spear]

Pre-alpha testers said that it was fun and for that state of development there was so much to do
I trust them

[lament kraken]

They will probably expand to that honestly and I wouldn't blame them for it

[winged tangle]

yeah, I'm personall not fussed by purchased items being more desirable as long as its only in appearance. pay to win in any way is where it's a nope from me

[celest maple]

Has palia catgirls?

[civic shadow]

I agree, they gotta get funds from somewhere

[lament kraken]

You got a big catboy

[celest maple]

o_o

[molten spruce]

Everything is viable, it’s just optional looks that doesn’t impact the game beyond looking cool

[mortal cloak]

In this channel not long after the announcement. Initially something like "cosmetics will not be craftable" to great panic, then clarified shop cosmetics will not be craftable

[civic shadow]

Looking cool and helping the devs...I´m okay with that

[tidal bloom]

I'm really pleased with the recent blog, not only talking about the monetisation but also the guiding principles driving the decision-making is all very encouraging stuff! 😊

[barren veldt]

Well that is quite disappointing

[lament kraken]

I mean if I could get some cool ass castle look for my house area for some money, count me in haha

[molten spruce]

Yeah, it was said by devs earlier during the big drama time

[winged tangle]

that makes sense!

[fiery gale]

To each their own, I'd rather shell $100 on a fair amount of cosmetics I like in a single year than pay $11 every month for a year with access to all cosmetics - which would eventually cost me more than the $100 I spent on cosmetics

[civic shadow]

As long as the pricing doesnt goes overboard. Just came to think of a game called Shroud of the Avatar. Those castles was EXPENSIVE!

[lament kraken]

I have the same view on this. I am allergic to subscription services cuz I don't have tons of time to play

[civic shadow]

Thats exactly the way I used to look at it 🙂

[barren veldt]

Is a game focused on cosmetics, selling cosmetics, not considered p2w though?

[molten spruce]

Yeah, cash shop is strictly cosmetic

[lament kraken]

Yeeee

[molten spruce]

That one was posted on the blog

[winged tangle]

I mean in the sense that items you buy give you a literal advantage over others within the game. If they are purely for appearance and aesthetic, that's not pay to win in my opinion

[civic shadow]

Gotta go. You seems to be a nice community so far

[mortal cloak]

IMO only if you can then sell the items on to other players

[winged tangle]

this!

[warm plover]

pay to ✨ fashion ✨
we all know fashion is the true endgame in EVERY mmo

[fiery gale]

I'm fine with paying for fashion personally

I don't want to have to pay for the actual game itself

[molten spruce]

The definition of pay to win is to gain in game powers to advance you forward, the more you pay, the more you advance. Cosmetic does not advance you, even if the game is focused on cosmetics

[warm plover]

like the two people i saw in limsa lominsa the other day wearing terrifying black cloaks that made me think of organization 13
...although i dont think those are actually paid cosmetics

[winged tangle]

ffxiv have the mentality and joke about glamour being the true endgame. People care immensely about it, so it's easy to see why purchased clothing can be seen as p2w on there. That said, it's not p2w if the items give you no actual benefits or advantage over other players. That said, if they had made shop items sellable on the in game marketboard, I could guarantee you it would become an all out war

[winged tangle]

they are not 🙂 they are items you obtain through an Endwalker story. I won't post due to spoilers

[warm plover]

oh, you knew exactly what i was talking about

[fiery gale]

P2W would be like, if buying a shop outfit made you run faster, or gain double resources from actions or something

[warm plover]

somehow one of them was a sprout, despite being level 90....

[fiery gale]

I don't think there's anything inherently bad with selling shop cosmetics as long as it isn't the standard for most cosmetics

[arctic onyx]

exactly

[winged tangle]

sprout is based on hours you played. They likely bought a jump potion!

[arctic onyx]

but also some could argue, who are you winning against in palia? because the game does not seem to have real competition

[warm plover]

Ohh, I see

[warm plover]

We're winning against... uh.......... the chapaas that have better outfits than me

[wheat heron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S-DGTBZU14 Just gonna leave this right here.

[mortal cloak]

Or selling the items on the auction house for in game cash. That's time you save not grinding currency which might as well be "run faster / resource bonus"

[fiery gale]

What do you mean? Is designing your living room to be the best looking house NOT competition? Haha /s

[molten spruce]

P2w is like having the $150 unicorn and no one else has it in your town

[fiery gale]

inb4 people host housing tournaments for the best possible house

[drifting gulch]

for shop cosmetics make it stuff that doesnt fit in the palia universe and thing sthat fit in the universe should be grindable

system like ffxiv is pog, many cool cosmetics you can make yourself and there's some cool shop cosmetics

[mortal cloak]

The Legends of RuneTerra approach, nice.

[winged tangle]

I believe Pokemon Unite had the issue of selling items that gave you tactical advantage in battles? My husband stopped playing because he said unless you spent real money on these items, you always fell behind. Not sure how accurate that is, but if that's correct, that is an example of p2w

[arctic onyx]

💀

[molten spruce]

Honestly, people in ffxiv will flex on you with their $350 cash shop only emote

[winged tangle]

not me always using my Odin emote 💀

[arctic onyx]

and that's fine, because you can just choose to ignore it

[frigid temple]

cozy "don't know if it is a good decision" greetings timezone

[winged tangle]

I just want to make my money worthwhile damnit :'3

[fiery gale]

Please don't tell me there's actually a $350 emote

[drifting gulch]

palia needs to make money somehow

so im so down if it's only through cosmetics and stuff that doesnt influence gameplay that much

[arctic onyx]

exactly

[winged tangle]

well you can buy irl figures that come with codes for in-game emotes. Artbooks also come with codes for in-game minions and music

[fiery gale]

Oh no no no no

[mortal cloak]

See also: WoW disabling the targeted /spit emote because people were spitting at folks flashing shop items

[molten spruce]

You buy this limited edition figurine of the boss and it comes with a shit emote…

[arctic onyx]

no they did it because they were virtue signaling 💀

[drifting gulch]

i would prefer if palia has a pay to play system to be honest

[barren veldt]

There is no definition of p2w. It's what you consider it to be. If the goal of the game is cosmetics and I can buy those then that is in my OPINION p2w.

[drifting gulch]

free to play seems kind of like a trap these days that lead to micro transactions

[fiery gale]

I'm sure plenty of neat cosmetics will be obtainable through standard gameplay, I'm not too worried about it personally

[winged tangle]

me neither 🙂

[mortal cloak]

Turning women into bowls of fruit is a discussion for another day and a different server I think :p

[fiery gale]

We'll have to see though

[molten spruce]

Unfortunately we other folks are bound by rules, we can’t just make up what’s p2w or not.

[arctic onyx]

i think mobile games and gachas have ruined the image of free-to-play games, a lot of free PC games like fortnite or legends of runeterra have some really fair monetization

[drifting gulch]

I've played more free to play mmo's and it doesnt go very well

[winter anvil]

History has shown that mtx store usually has the best stuff in order to make money which often invalidates freely accessible rewards

[barren veldt]

We very much do though. You cannot make a single definition of p2w. Plus what we westerners consider p2w is very different from Asia e.g.

[echo helm]

fortnite?

[drifting gulch]

as the game popularity will go downt hey ewill eventually start milking the whales that are down to splurge on the game

[frigid temple]

^this somehow when we look to the asian grind mmo's but if you look at LoL or Fortnite its a good economical approach to build a healthy game

[undone sand]

.

[drifting gulch]

instead of focusing retaining playerbase by improving gameplay

[mortal cloak]

Opera Omnia is a really good and fairly monetised mobile gacha game... There are diamonds in that sea of refuse

[winged tangle]

gacha games have been demonised alot recently. I think a lot of them have done a perfectly reasonable job of balancing transctions and grinding to earn for free, but there were few that definitely end up just locking their game behind a paywall

Opera Omnia and Genshin do it well imo

[fiery gale]

I've played many p2p MMOs and generally that doesn't go well either

[mortal cloak]

I've played sub MMOs (wow, Warhammer, star wars) and that didn't go very well either :p

[frigid temple]

but in Palia its all about cosmetics so it is a double-edged sword

[fiery gale]

OSRS is by far the best one in my opinion but that's still backed by the predatory nature of RuneScape 3 as well

[arctic onyx]

it's very hard to monetize a free-to-play MMO without making it unfair. however, palia won't be a competitive game and it seems to be solely driven by cosmetic progression, so free-to-play monetization can actually work for it

[winter anvil]

It is just disappointing to see that yet another company decided to go whale hunting instead of providing best experience for every player

[fiery gale]

In general - MMOs have a bad track record as a whole lol

[echo helm]

but the drop rates are shit in genshin impact so you always have to buy a certain amount of rolls to get the character you want. I have multiple friends spending hundreds of euros every time a character get's released they find attractive or cool.

[eternal mauve]

so the game is free 2 play but will it have like Lost ark Early Acces stuff 😉 with items

[molten spruce]

Are you saying that just because I’m wearing a cash shop outfit, I am automatically better than you?

[winged tangle]

I don't know about that. I have never had to spend any money on it yet and I have managed to obtain every character on the banners each event easily enough. Maybe I just have really good luck D:

[echo helm]

I've been playing LOL and i spent like 100 euros in 2-3 years.

[arctic onyx]

the idea of gambling my money or spending egregious hours grinding materials for a chance at getting a rare character is revoking, i'd much prefer if gachas allowed you to purchase characters directly or locked them behind some battlepass system that would also be grindable with in-game currency

[winter anvil]

Genshin Impact has new characters released at higher rate that is possible to save up for as free to play player.

[mortal cloak]

Opera Omnia has a pity system where if you spend X resources you're guaranteed the character. So you can reserve a ceiling for characters you absolutely want.

[echo helm]

I guess you do, my friend literally payed 100 euros to get this one character (which was favored in that banner he used) and he had to pay another 100 until it was a certain 100% roll. That was last week btw

[winged tangle]

I suppose it's just down to personal preference really. What you said is completely valid, but I quite like grinding a little for them as it feels more rewarding? idk, the idea I can just go and buy them feels like a cop-out and then where it feels like p2w for me

[molten spruce]

Gen shin has too much gamba tho…

[winged tangle]

that sucks D:

[barren veldt]

That is not at all what I'm saying. You're missing the point.

[echo helm]

Let's just all play LOL while having chat turned off :)

[arctic onyx]

yeah, it's highly subjective, but I believe that purchasing something directly is much more fair. if you want to avoid the 'p2w' feeling, they could just make characters completely free to earn, and monetize the game through skins instead

[eternal mauve]

I think the game will is free 2 play but you get early acces to buy sooner or later like 20 euros or more! like lost ark or other mmo's had

[mortal cloak]

Honestly I love the Lol universe but hate actual LOL :p

[molten spruce]

But you said it’s p2w cash shop cosmetic? Why does me wearing a onesie from the cash shop p2w?

[winged tangle]

I like the idea of free players and purchasable skins 🙂

[winged tangle]

I'm so glad I'm not the only one :'3

[arctic onyx]

ur friend is a prime example of the type of customer gacha games prey on, the kind that are easily tempted

[echo helm]

he is an idiot, you can just say it

[arctic onyx]

the psychology behind how games are monetized is fascinating

[wicked dew]

It does have a definition tho p2w is when you get an advantage over others for spending money

[echo helm]

the game is good, if you really give it a chance

[arctic onyx]

no he's not an idiot, he just needs guidance on how to manage his money

[mortal cloak]

Oh I'm sure - just a pity about the community :p

[fiery gale]

I've spent over $1,000 USD on LOL since 2013 but haven't spent any money on it in the past 4 years or so. I spent a lot on the game when I was 13-19

[echo helm]

just turn off chat, it's really that easy

[winged tangle]

that's actually quite interesting to know. I can guarantee if I had access to games like genshin when I was younger I would have been the same!

[arctic onyx]

try Legends of Runeterra, it leans heavily into the lore of Runeterra

[molten spruce]

This is why I suggested we get a /2. Trade Chat in palia

[mortal cloak]

Have been playing for ages - really enjoy that one :)

[arctic onyx]

they added a campaign mode recently that is inspired by Arcane

[winter anvil]

I have played several f2p games and p2p games. There is considerable difference when it comes to quality of experience which is inescapable to maintain microtransactions store. That is my main concern.

[arctic onyx]

eyyyy, have you seen the new set they've just added? Gnar looks insane

[echo helm]

also it got REALLY better over the last years.
2 years ago everyone would spam the nword and say slurs and stuff. Nowadays you get an instant ban for things like that. Aslong as you are not in gold elo, it's a really relaxing and fun time. ^^

[molten spruce]

This is a good argument against f2p

[echo helm]

never saw the real appeal of skins :P

[mortal cloak]

Yeah, looks really fun. I play almost exclusively on path of champions so looking forward to his debut there

[arctic onyx]

i mostly play normals, but path of champions has taken up a lot of my time as well

i look forward to shurima being added to it

[fiery gale]

There is no real appeal - they are just for fun!

[arctic onyx]

i mostly play shurima decks as well, they deeply resonate with me because of my african and arab heritage

[woeful spear]

My main is Gnar in LoL, hope that Gnar in LoR will be cool too!
I should take a look at the game again

[celest maple]

Wait palia plays in runtera?

[fiery gale]

To be fair, the money that I did spend on LOL was mostly Target giftcards I had accumulated over the years, and I had nothing better to spend it on

[molten spruce]

In defense of f2p, warframe and poe and gw2 have to a point survived this long with that model.

[echo helm]

yes

[fiery gale]

And Subway giftcards

[arctic onyx]

ooooh i remember when they used to accept those

[steady egret]

Are the current alpha test draws over?

[arctic onyx]

yup

[fiery gale]

Aww they don't accept subway giftcard anymore? Sad

[steady egret]

thanks

[molten spruce]

I doubt riot will not sue S6 if they used runetera for palia

[arctic onyx]

yeah, they only accept RP gift cards now

[arctic onyx]

Palia does not exist in Runeterra

[fiery gale]

My parents used to get them for me thinking I was using them for food, and then one day I spilled the beans that I was using them on video games and then they promptly stopped giving me Subway giftcards and gave me Panda Express instead

[arctic onyx]

that would be infringing on Riot's IP

[arctic onyx]

lmfaooo

[pure badge]

Good morning yall!

[arctic onyx]

good morning

[pure badge]

Omg the concept costumes are sooooo good!

[echo helm]

they would sue the frick out of them

[molten spruce]

I was being sarcastic.

[arctic onyx]

yeah that would not be wise of any company to do lmfao

[echo helm]

they would tho

[arctic onyx]

you would literally get buried by legal stuff

[fiery gale]

well, runetera would be allowed because it isn't runeterra

mandatory /s, they would still get sued anyways

[arctic onyx]

yknow whenever the Runeterra MMO drops

[fiery gale]

I'm gonna be all over that

[arctic onyx]

i can imagine a timeline where Jagex will sue them for the name being too close to Runescape 💀, it's totally a Jagex thing to do AHAHAHA

[fiery gale]

Jagex is such a shit company sometimes lol

[pulsar tulip]

yo mama

[arctic onyx]

👁️ keep going

[fiery gale]

They've made many questionable decisions over the years, also @pulsar tulip yo daddy

[mortal cloak]

Hey remember Scrolls / Elder Scrolls :p

[fiery gale]

ESO was a disaster upon release LMAO

[pulsar tulip]

where my message go

[arctic onyx]

🗿

[fiery gale]

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