💬│palia-discussions

[proven temple]

Cosmetics are such a good way to earn money in these type of games.

[naive sorrel]

"not the everyday average working class can play this $35/mo game so I'm gonna do it just because"

[delicate nimbus]

exclusivity is fine as long as you earned it yourself

[spark helm]

Not really. Retail WoW is uhh.. idk how to put it. Everything is handed to you so it doesn't even feel like you're playing it lol

[celest maple]

when will the game be released

[still plinth]

Wdk

[dark compass]

TBA

[proven temple]

Exclusivity through events are a lot of fun and actually really cool and awarding.

[sand barn]

I think lootboxes are slowly phasing out due to the similarities with gambling. I pay for Spotify and Netflix, paying a subscription for a social experience that would build on the social aspects of MMO's. I'd find that worth it. But I know many people have more trouble with that. So I hope they find a way that allows many people to play 😖

[past harbor]

and when you want to grind to have an advantage...all mobs just scale up 😛

[snow portal]

It's really like that, it's stupid

[vale crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/someday-eventually-maybe-i-hope-so-one-of-these-days-gif-14280427

[hasty salmon]

When will the pre-alpha be released?

[past harbor]

soon tm

[still plinth]

Omy god

[dark compass]

tba

[spark helm]

lmaoooooo

[keen aspen]

"Release ? It could be month, it might be months. The other two no way (referring to quarters and years)" - talking about pre-alpha

"While I can't give any specific dates, I can assure you that we are much closer than 3 years from launch. " - about actual release

from the ask-the-team channel

[spark helm]

we should have a bot that spams it every 2m

[still plinth]

There shld be an emoji that just says we don't know

[naive sorrel]

they've made it in a way where it doesn't technically fall under gambling. EA thankfully took the heat for that after their big lawsuit over it.

[left bloom]

Yeah, to me it'd make the most sense to have a cash shop where people can pick and choose what they like and want to pay for. Best way to let players show off their own style imo.

[proven temple]

There's a literal channel tho😭

[spark helm]

I know LOL

[clear prism]

i'd say a month to 6 months; unless some covid or similar event kicks in

[hasty salmon]

Alrighty

So it will be on my list next to Hytale

[past harbor]

[whole shoal]

What's up with Hytale, any words on release?

[hasty salmon]

Haha no

2021 was expected

[past harbor]

this game looks so similar to upgraded ECO (also in alpha)

[quasi tulip]

How did wow get brought up in my christian stardew moon server?

[sand barn]

I'd agree despite my dislike for a cash shop. The exclusives in there often are much better than ones you can earn 😞

[delicate nimbus]

im gonna have too say HELL NO to a cash shop

[spark helm]

Cash shops just shouldn't exist lol

[whole shoal]

Ooof, das why im asking, got pretty hyped about that one as well

[sand barn]

We heard you the first time ;)

[past harbor]

for cash shop i think it only says comsetics

[proven temple]

Gotta agree with @delicate nimbus and @spark helm

[delicate nimbus]

you can hear me again

[dark compass]

loud and clear

[clear prism]

it most likely would have. in games like sims it is normal to have some cash shop sofa or smth

[delicate nimbus]

no point building your own stuff when you can buy cool exclusive furniture on the shop

[spark helm]

that's like barely passing as okay for a cash shop, but even then i'm gonna be against it lol

[whole shoal]

The ESO Plus system of monetization looks really solid to me. U can play without it, but it gives monthly currency to buy shop items

[spark helm]

cosmetics should be earned not bought

[left bloom]

Mmm, I would most prefer if everything was free, but keeping a game running costs money so something will need to be monetized. Cash shop + f2p will allow those who can afford it to spend so that others can play for free as well. A subscription will shut more people out of the game I think.

[keen aspen]

Perhaps cosmetics that can be earned in-game too but other colour variations
not everyone has the money to buy all the pretty things on cash shop
so the option to earn it ingame at least and if you really want a different colour, you can go into the shop

[past harbor]

Best way to do it is by also being able to farm up (for free) same things that are in cash shop cosmetics (if game will not be subscription)

[left bloom]

Couldn't you have some that can only be earned and some that can be bought?

[clear prism]

depends on the amount of basic stuff you can build. if you dont have enough tools to play with - then yeah, it sucks

[twilit creek]

Subscription and cash shop is a no for me. We already have WoW

[plush otter]

They need to be hard to farm then or peeps wont spend money to get em

[bold robin]

Afresh - then how would the game ever make money and continue to run?

[plush otter]

ye

[spark helm]

You could, but I would be against it even so. The use of allowing things to be bought gives the devs a reason to put more dumb things into a cash shop. I'm not saying these devs are bad or anything, just in general

[twilit creek]

You think wow needs money out of game sales and subs and cash shop? Pick 2 but not 3.

[proven temple]

I feel like it's okay to have certain cosmetics in a shop. But it shouldn't feel like you are being forced to spend money to have fun cosmetics. Sometimes the difference between paid and unpaid is so big, it's sad.

[plush otter]

agree!

[past harbor]

They could only put the basic items in the shop (things that are needed to craft the later game stuff). and make a skill system that not everyone can craft anything

[twilit creek]

I have nothing against buying a game and it having a cash shop for cosmetics

[quasi tulip]

For me it depends on the game tbh ;ole path of exile and warframe I play solo so idgaf about looking cool in those games, im there for gameplay not dressup to

[twilit creek]

But charging monthly fee on top of that is just too much imo

[spark helm]

idk, it just seems scumbaggy to me for a game to have stuff hidden behind a paywall

[left bloom]

My experience in other games is that earned items have been valued higher by the community than store bought items, making the earned rewards seem cooler than the bought ones so I don't think people would be losing out so long as the rewards from either source are different.

[past harbor]

true. micro trnsactions are most of profit anyway

[proven temple]

I feel like it depends on the stuff behind that 'paywall'

[sand barn]

Personally I'm hoping for a single purchase to own the game, with perhaps expansions or certain items available in a pay shop. But the hope to support the game for a long time weighs heavily on my mind. There's not an approach that's going to make everyone happy

[spark helm]

but i grew up in the snes era where there were thousands of cool things unlocked from playing the game

[clear prism]

just make it free to play + microtransactions + battlepass

[delicate nimbus]

Stop

[spark helm]

That could also work but I would still be salty :p

[umbral ferry]

those weren't online games though

[hasty salmon]

no

[umbral ferry]

I hate battlepasses

[spark helm]

No, but online games back then also didn't have cash shops

[clear prism]

unfortunately other options are just unsuccessful

[sand barn]

I'd like a subscription fee on top, and p2w!

[past harbor]

true. but they would loose the casual players. thats means losing money sadly

[plush otter]

i guess thats a big no for the battlepass idea lol

[hasty salmon]

I prefer a WoW model with like expansions (and let the game be free or cheap)

[proven temple]

I'd rather have one time payment to get the game and then an in game shop for extras

[keen aspen]

a battlepass forces people to play, its horrible

[spark helm]

a battlepass is worse than a cash shop lol

[umbral ferry]

Yes, they had subscriptions. Unfortunately as the amount of online games grows, people are less willing to spend monthly to play a single game

[left bloom]

I grew up in NES/C64 and I'm still not entirely adverse to monetization

[tender kiln]

[umbral ferry]

Battlepasses are just an excuse to constantly rub in your face "Look, you could get that much more if you just buy the pass!"

[past harbor]

battlepass sucks yeah. you are allways in the mercy of the pass price

[thorn onyx]

when battlepasses were first introduced I liked them, but then they were everywhere and it became an awful system pretty fast

[quasi tulip]

I doubt its gonna have a sub, like think about it the mmos that get away with subs still are pve themeparts, palia IS NOT a pve themepark so I doubt majoirty of people would pay a required sub for a life simosh mmo, when they can buy harvest moon, or stardew once.

So it likely will be a b2p with a cash shop for cosmetics

[left bloom]

Would the casual players fork out for subscription?

[spark helm]

Yes, $15 subscriptions, not the $30+ that there are today. Games also make more money from advertising these days by a mile

[twilit creek]

Battle pass almost always feels like a necessity

[dark compass]

battlepass for a pacific game...what?

[umbral ferry]

What game has $30 subs

[past harbor]

many wow players play like 1h per day and pay 🙂

[fickle fog]

Hi guys, sorry to pop up out of the blue but do we know yet if there are going to be microtransactions or are we just speculating?

[delicate nimbus]

guys im telling you, a shop will be the downfall of every single game

[spark helm]

WoW and FF are the big two

[bold robin]

Speculating

[twilit creek]

That doesn’t mean it’s good tho

[past coral]

just speculating for now

[umbral ferry]

Uhhh they don't?

[foggy marten]

There are good ways to monetize and bad ways.
The bad ways always stink of market odor, and the principled gamer audience always can smell it.

These devs don't seem like they'll try to pull one over on us. Let's have some faith.

[spark helm]

They do?

[quasi tulip]

Yeah wth... xivs is 15$ o.o

[hasty salmon]

I'd say use ''DLC'' or ''expansions'' and not exclusive shit like with the battle pass. Let players explore everything within what they are willing to pay

[fickle fog]

oh OK thank you haha i wasnt sure

[proven temple]

We're basically discussing what we would and would not like regarding the payment system. Nothing has been revealed yet.

[twilit creek]

Back in the day blizzard would let you get back time you haven’t played

[umbral ferry]

FF14 even has a cheaper sub tier too

[keen aspen]

I pay for two sub games and play casually. its still less money than two pizzas per month, so I get a lot of entertainment for my money.

[left bloom]

Nobody I know ever did, but I guess that was before the game was turned into whatever it is today where I hear you get everything for free.

[past harbor]

oh yeah i agree. i wouldnt like sub. rather pay for it once and than some cosmetics that dont change gameplay)

[fickle fog]

Okay, I understand, I didn't know if anything was already known about it or what. Thank you!!

[foggy cove]

Anybody know if Palia is coming to any other consoles in the future or only pc? Sorry for the question!

[umbral ferry]

Wow, 1 month $14.99
ff14 either $12.99 or $14.99 per month

[spark helm]

Aah my bad, I meant in my country they are that price.

[umbral ferry]

I see

[spark helm]

WoW is $35 a month and FF is $32

[celest maple]

i think after alpha it will be released for consoles too but not for mobile (its my idea ofc)

[quasi tulip]

USD? If so where the hell

[spark helm]

AUD

[quasi tulip]

ah

[hasty salmon]

wow is like 15 USD right?

[bold robin]

We’re really bogged down in the money side of it atm haha. Actually looking at the trailer and what seems to be the concept here so far I’m really excited about the actual game itself - I’ve always been someone who tends to focus more on the skills/support side of MMOs but they always feel like they’re tacked on really. This appears to be putting loads of things I love as core gameplay and that excites me

[hasty salmon]

Excluding expansions

[spark helm]

WoW and FF both used to be $15 AUD, and our dollar value was way worse back then 😓

[modern sable]

is it really gonna be paid game? ouch :/

[quasi tulip]

I heard Aussies gotta pay outrageous prices for any game lol

[proven temple]

We don't know yet.

[foggy cove]

Makes sense, It sounds silly but I'm hoping it will come out to switch too at some point lol.

Will gladly wait!

[celest maple]

no one really knows dont worry

[past harbor]

noone knows yet

[modern sable]

sighs of relief

[proven temple]

Ooooh, palia does look like a game that would be fun on switch!

[spark helm]

Yeah, unfortunately money is a big thing for us :p the skill stuff looks amazing though!

[bold robin]

Yeah switch would be perfect for it - would love to just be able to jump in whilst at work on lunch

[foggy cove]

That's what I thought! I loved stardew, and my time at portia on the switch. These type of games are bloody perfect!

[proven temple]

Exactly!

[spare bridge]

hello does anyone know after how long i can play after i signed up for the beta ?

[umbral ferry]

Probably a bit less so given the online component though

[quasi tulip]

I dont see it having a sub, cause again only themepart mmos focused on pve with consistant updates get away with it, but I also doubt it'd be f2p, but hey if im wrong to it being f2p i wont care so :p

[spark helm]

gotta be patient, we have no clue lol

[proven temple]

Both are on my wishlist. I have stardew valley on pc already so I'm not sure if I want it on switch but is Portia that fun?

[wind solar]

In a couple of weeks theyre going to say who gets to play!!

[bold robin]

Yeah I get that 🙂 it’s definitely a concern/big question but I’m trying to keep a fairly open mind on it atm, if the game is good I don’t mind paying for it

[spark helm]

They could always go the runescape option. F2P but then have a members thing

[spare bridge]

Oh ok thanks

[spark helm]

Same same, just don't want it to be expensive ;p

[foggy cove]

I loved it, I wouldn't go ahead and say its ground breaking but it was fun for me personally.

[quasi tulip]

But what would they offer for it? locking content/bonuses?

To make a sub appealing in a f2p it has to offer something in terms of either content or an advantage

[bold robin]

Yeah I mean stardew is really just growing on what harvest moon did - but it did it very very well

[spark helm]

No idea lol

[foggy marten]

There are merits to both the f2p and p2p models.
I'm sure they have an honest plan.

[proven temple]

I really do hope they won't lock content behind payments.

[umbral ferry]

Personally it feels revolutionary in the first 2 hours, then you realise they removed 90% of farming gameplay by easy sprinklers existing and not adding anything new to the formula

[bold robin]

I’m hoping Palia is a bit like that - it takes ideas that have worked in single player games, and stuff that other MMOs put as background to combat and does it very well and makes it fun to play as a community

[proven temple]

And if they do. Preferably in an actual DLC format

[meager orchid]

Good morning, good afternoon and good evening. BRB. Gonna watch the trailer...YET AGAIN 😂 for my daily Palia serotonin boost

[foggy marten]

I'll be happy to buy, sub, or sub and buy. Provided I like what I see / can experience, if chosen for beta.

[umbral ferry]

Combat seems like it'll only be a small part of the game, in form of hunting

[quasi tulip]

There will also be dungeons tho

but dont expect super complex content or combat

[bold robin]

Yeah that’s what I’m really happy about - MMO that’s not combat focused because so many other MMOs already do that

[spark helm]

buy me a sub pls. I like meatball footlongs

[quasi tulip]

ITs likely to be simple

[umbral ferry]

Maybe dungeons

[hasty salmon]

I think they are trying to take the best bits of a list of games and combine them so that every ''player type'' (people with different motivations to play games) has fun in playing. I'm guessing it will not be combat focused but it will need combat or something simulair to keep ''killers'' involved. I think WoW does a great job in delivering a good experience for explorers, killers, socializers and achievers

[umbral ferry]

Maybe something else

[crystal copper]

How are the chances of getting pre-alpha access after signing up?

[foggy marten]

It doesn't need killers involved. It really may not be for everyone.

[quasi tulip]

A dev specifically answered a question I said for dungeons and said yes they will have em

[spark helm]

a million to one it looks like

[past harbor]

true. if they make the gameplay verry deep .. like for instance different soil in diferent ecosystems growing diferent crops. with diferent nutrients and ability to make fertalizer...if it goes that deep on all profesions it could be preety amazing

[quasi tulip]

Unless that dev was jumping the gun

[umbral ferry]

Trying to appeal to every player type can be dangerous. Can make it feel too watered down for anyone to enjoy in the longterm

[blazing kelp]

I think asmongold will be a dungeon guide for palia

[foggy marten]

-_-

[hasty salmon]

Sure it can, I think that's also the biggest challenge

[fierce escarp]

It's better to have a unique identity than to try and give everyone what they want.

[bold robin]

Yeah trying to appeal to all can mean ending up doing everything a bit poorly and pleasing no one

[umbral ferry]

A lot of modern games "streamline" and simplify everything to "appeal to a broader audience" :<

[fierce escarp]

I'd rather see clear plans on game loops and monitorization than pretty artwork but that's just me.

[quasi tulip]

Some games do the reverse tho also

[hasty salmon]

Of course it needs a unique identity but it also needs a lot of players so there's a balance for Palia haha

[mint fern]

im just hoping dungeons have puzzles and traps instead of just all combat

[foggy cove]

That is true!

[fierce escarp]

Most games don't need a lot of players to survive.

[hasty salmon]

I mean Minecraft has something for everyone and yet it does not feel ''watered down''

[quasi tulip]

making it REALLY hard to get new people into the game cause its very "hardcore" meaning poorly explained lol

[mint fern]

^

[past harbor]

if you get loayal players-specialies. even if its less of them..they will stay longer and make comunity beter. which pulls in new players

[mint fern]

Potato with the great insight

no sarcasm

[frail birch]

I couldn’t get myself into EVE Online for that reason

[mint fern]

Eve was a nightmare

[quasi tulip]

Now people say path of exile is a game like that... i disagree that skill forest LOOKS bad but is rather simple once you look over it lol

[mint fern]

POE has a game design flaw

[umbral ferry]

Yeah, I think thats a reaction to everything being overly simplified in a way though. Ideally you'd have a complex system with a good explanation to get you started and the rest to figure out for yourself. And rather than patching out "tedious" stuff you'd find a way to make it more interesting

[mint fern]

where the game scales insanely and ends up being a 1 shot fest

[past harbor]

we will see how they do with feedback from alpha and betas, to make it not too easy and not too frustrating

[livid wyvern]

What do you mean? GGG intends for the game to be a "Hardcore game" :)

[mint fern]

Ive never understood why devs make rpgs of anykind where the numbers go to high

[livid wyvern]

It's not a flaw it's a feature

[bold robin]

I think that’s where you have to look at building the complexity up gradually - sure have a complicated farming system but also need to let a new player just start out simple as well so they can feel engaged and they’re doing something, maybe have certain crops that are simpler, or start them with planter boxes so they have less to worry about - then the complex stuff is there for them later, but they can still get started

[fierce escarp]

Most games end up need stat squish because everything is designed to be exponential.

[umbral ferry]

I think easy is even the wrong term for me. I want a good balance between effort and reward (i.e. not too much effort for too little reward, but also not the opposite). But also complex systems to explore

[mint fern]

Exactly alexander

[umbral ferry]

Sakuna's rice farming was great btw. Much better than whatever HM passes for farming

[quasi tulip]

PoE just requires some game knowledge to not fuck yourself, they treat the players like grown ups that hopefully can realize "oh well i clearly didn't take as much life as I shoulda to continue playing well"

[frail birch]

I mean when we started that food war in the memes channel that’s what I had in mind yeah

[fierce escarp]

You need level 60 to feel different from level 50.. And if a level 60 only has 10% more HP than level 50 then the levels mean very little. But double HP every 10 levels to hard..

[past harbor]

if they base the game of this and make t beter. than this will be the best MMO ever https://play.eco/

[mint fern]

one game that did progression well with out insane numbers was the paper mario rpg games

[frail birch]

Well Alexander I’d like to introduce you to WoW Mage class

[mint fern]

when you went from one damage attacks to two you felt like a god

[frail birch]

God I miss the paper Mario games

[livid wyvern]

Well, let's see... I have 7.8K life, 70% minimum physical damage reduction, resistances are at 85/80/80 max, a lot of movement speed, damage is somewhere around 1.5mil sirus DPS.... I still get one shot from a white mob on a t16 map that isn't even juiced up. It's not about game knowledge. The game is overtuned at the moment.

[clear prism]

Here is a thing:
Buy to play - I guess most players are fine with that. But it depends on a price tag.
Subscription - isnt profitable nowadays. It doesnt milk more money from whales and it also locks out most of f2p players. However it is the most fair option. But many people don't play MMOs specifically because of it; same people might be completely fine with whaling tho.
Optional Subscription - Bad option. It allows f2p players to play the game without being forced to pay. But usually it comes with severe limitations if you don't pay.
Battlepass- This one is weird. It can have the same function as a subscription but people like it cause "there are just cosmetics".
Cash Shop - Normally bad but you probably don't know that furniture is usually cash shop stuff in games like this. Normally filled with cosmetics. Still better than lootboxes; but again depends on price tags and sales.
Lootboxes - Bad since you don't get what you pay for. Altho I completely fine to gamble if I don't invest money - like in LoL you gamble for skin discounts and so on.
Anything non-cosmetic that might increase your character's power - p2w.

[bold robin]

I almost feel a levelling system wouldn’t be the best solution for things for crafting or most things tbh - instead have it so you unlock new recipes/blueprints through quest lines and exploration

[mint fern]

Actually Prieston

Sub is coming back in storm recently

[spark helm]

the thing is games over here in Aus are $99 - $130 on the average. So anything in the $50 range is a godsend for me

[mint fern]

because devs have realised that its the best long term options and prevents pay to win

[quasi tulip]

Well that depends tho is it overtuned... or are the really higher tiers meant for the min/maxers? cause some games gave content for those types

[clear prism]

I said that - to prevent pay2win sub is the most fair

[spark helm]

Could have it as both. Some things you get from quests/exploring and some you get from levelling

[maiden nymph]

only relevant for games with combat progression though

[livid wyvern]

Nothing is stopping them from making it sub with a micro transaction shop. Take Final Fantasy for example, they make hella buck from that microtransaction shop.

[frail birch]

Hold up @spark helm you mean in is dollars or. Aus currency

[quasi tulip]

Mostly off rance changes too >w>

race

[umbral ferry]

@clear prism
"Battlepass- This one is weird. It can have the same function as a subscription but people like it cause "there are just cosmetics"."
imo bad because it'll constantly rub into your face how much more you can get by paying

[proven temple]

That's what they said. Big downside is the fact that some people will refuse to play the game if there's subscription

[spark helm]

Aus currency is dollars lol

[mint fern]

thats not true Hammster ask people who played Lineage and them selling crafting drops

it killed the game

[bold robin]

A mix could work definitely, maybe levelling giving the basic stuff and then having different cosmetic versions or rarer items/builds being unlocked through story progression and exploration

[mint fern]

its why steven is making ashes of creation

[inner canopy]

well you can make it so that whenever you atain a certain level of friendship with certain character you ger wardrobe cosmetics linked to them, it would make ppl more engaged with the game since you actually reward ppl playing the game

[clear prism]

Nobody plays FF in my country cause the sub costs 5 times more than WoW. So imagine 1 month sub being the same price as every new triple A game.

[livid wyvern]

If you don't consider 80 exalts for a normal player min-maxing to some degree, then I don't know who the game is aiming at. The only reason I stopped playing the Ultimatum league was because it felt too overtuned. This league, statistically, has worse numbers than most league on the longer run. While its a fun league I am quite certain that its mostly due to their lack of QoL features, as well as how difficult it is to get into.

[maiden nymph]

They do the crafting mostly for gear / items. But Lineage is a very specific extreamcase people spend 10k€/$+ in that game per month

[quasi tulip]

I have a feeling AoC will ironically burn and crash...

[livid wyvern]

What the hell? How much is the sub in WoW?

[slender axle]

Are there already people playing pre-alpha now ?

[frail birch]

No

[clear prism]

like 4 bucks

[livid wyvern]

they're trying to get people into it now, so, you might be one too!

[spark helm]

Sounds good to me

[celest maple]

This is what is happening with the card game that I'm playing

[slender axle]

I signed up 🙂

[clear prism]

and apparently FF decided not to decrease the price same as everyone - so here is 20 bucks for one month

[celest maple]

Completely rewarding when you play it and all you can buy is just cosmetics

[mint fern]

i will say Sub is also a safetly net from the negative people who play mmo's like trolls or botters or gold sellers it atleast deters or slows them down by forcing them to commit resources to try and do things

[livid wyvern]

Ah, you're right. It is 3 times the price. But to give them credit where credit is due... The game is quite long, has a lot of classes and diversity, you can play all classes from one character so you don't have to switch (very neat and you can opt in for the 10 dollar sub instead of the 12) and much more going for it.

[spark helm]

What card game? O:

[quasi tulip]

I will say wows cash shop put me off while xivs im fine with... wow having it ingame just felt like I was playing a f2p and hounding me to sub while on the trial, xiv's trial will never bombard you saying "PAY NOW" lol

[celest maple]

Legends of runeterra. Got all the cards with just a month of playing

[livid wyvern]

I vouch for this game! Really SICK!

[spark helm]

Oohh, I played that on launch but it seemed kind of lacking. Is it better now?

[plush otter]

I rlly hope pre-alpha players do not leak anything about the game

just NDA👈🏻

[celest maple]

But I still play hearthstone cause I invested money in it

[quasi tulip]

Pfft

[clear prism]

right, but i can also play some other mmo for free.
or on private server.
here is the problem of subscription-based game

[spark helm]

I'll leak how tasty the flesh of a Chuu is

[quasi tulip]

NDA's never really stop people tho do they, theres always one person

[livid wyvern]

For most adults that should be enough.

[royal hawk]

You areasking for the impossible.

[sinful jackal]

o7 Mornin

[celest maple]

Constant updates and devs acknowledging their mistakes on patch notes

[livid wyvern]

You scare me sir.

[bold robin]

Sadly I suspect there will be some leaks - I mean it depends how many people they sign up but a good NDA and being selective of people will help but yeah can’t avoid it entirely I suspect

[plush otter]

sad

[maiden nymph]

My point is Palia needs special treatment on monitazation. Cash shop cosmetics, gatekeep the actual content of the game and subs don't make much sense for the general public to play a game. I don't want to be in the position of the devs on this right now

[livid wyvern]

To also add into what @celest maple is saying, it's actually quite addicting and it has a wide range of decks to try and make on your own! With a lot of mechanics that are somewhat original to the game itself making it much more fun to mix and match.

[plain hound]

morrniinnng futur palia players...humpf...the chat never stopped

[maiden nymph]

it never does

[keen aspen]

The devs arent first time devs, I am sure, they will find a model that will be fine

[celest maple]

Lab of legends made me an addict

[quasi tulip]

Again my moneys on b2p with cash shop cause they need money to run servers, but people ain;t gonna pay a sub for an mmo thats different and not pve focused imho

[mint fern]

thing is if there is a cash shop that sells convenience im not gonna play because its a scam

[upper monolith]

Only slows down sometimes 😄

[celest maple]

Chat is Still Active

[spark helm]

Oh nice. I might pick it up again :D

[livid wyvern]

It is quite difficult to monetize your game these days. That much is very true. I wish them all the best with how they will pull it off and I hope it works for them.

[spark helm]

The Teemo deck killed me on launch LOL

[livid wyvern]

Morning!

[livid wyvern]

Yikes. It still kills btw :3

[spark helm]

o no

[celest maple]

You now got a tough nexus

[livid wyvern]

Yes! Fun as heck

[spark helm]

Oh? heaps of HP?

[royal hawk]

Alright off to story of seasons bye peeps

[celest maple]

Armored health with lissandra on board

[celest maple]

Good Morning bro !

[livid wyvern]

I still play a "deep" deck. A deck that makes you kiss your own deck goodbye, or take the force of my nautilus massive... Ship thing onto your face.

[spark helm]

ooo cute ice girl

I'll pick it up, thanks

[clear prism]

this one is weird. i can pay sub for wow, some shooter probably; in short some active gameplay.
but if Palia ends mostly being a farm simulator with inactive gameplay that i would play watching netflix - not worth it.

[celest maple]

Nah man I wouldn't call it cute when she obliterates your deck

[livid wyvern]

Urgot is the only princess I vouch for.

[inner canopy]

Cosmetics is a reward in itself , evryone palys games differently , especially mmos , remember when you felt great to unlock skins back in mw2 [every achievement had skins, icon , items tied to it] it fellt great progressing torwards a specific thing, cosmetic progression is part of a game and shoulldn't be locked behind a paywwall

[proven temple]

Still cute

[clear prism]

so i guess its not really about "gear" progression but just any progression

[spark helm]

CUTE

[celest maple]

You're very insightful

[livid wyvern]

I agree with this! There's a guy on YouTube that goes through this in depth, I forgot his name but he liked to call it, and excuse me for this one but, the CBT progression system.

[plain hound]

thing can be cute and still obliterate you...check kittens

[celest maple]

Guys she's a grandma

[livid wyvern]

A player should be able to show off how much they have invested time and skill wise into the game in form of an unlockable.

[spark helm]

Gilf

[quasi tulip]

Yeah but they still have those really earned ones... i haven't played the newer ones but if they still do gold diamond ect... thats still there for people to EARN and when people see the hard earned ones THEN they are still impressed

[spark river]

mhm

[inner canopy]

they are in llootboxes ..

[livid wyvern]

Precisely! That's the whole point

[quasi tulip]

If they did that well its cod so

[celest maple]

I had this experience when I open capsules and unlocking my first legendary skin in league

[sinful jackal]

I absolutely understand people wanting to show off cool cosmetic...whatever in a game, however feel that paying for it defeats the purpose of an mmo. Which is one of the reasons a b2p and subscription business model worked in older mmos, the cosmetics were acquired by simply playing.

[livid wyvern]

You should be able to buy skins if you'd like, but, have some unlockable ones too. Something like... Well, I don't know, legendary chaotic fisherman where you can clearly tell this person is mad good with fishing.

[inner canopy]

exactly

[celest maple]

Soo achievements of hard work.

[livid wyvern]

Very cool! Though I wish they had some sort of mastery skin for each character on League. It would further emphasis my point.

[maiden nymph]

Yeah because you time investment isn't based on something you're used to. Like "kill" based games are the norm you know what you're getting so you'll be more open to pay a sub, while you would not pay 10€/month for sims + harvest moon online. I saw similar happen in Sims online (which existed) people did sub for 1 month then cancel and only resub if they actually wanted to play/chat with people.

[slate ruin]

The best thing is to have cosmetics that can be bought earned via gameplay.

[quasi tulip]

But if xiv? You have to EARN the coolest looking/bis weapons, the ones that earn some respect at least.

[celest maple]

Yo will there be Sea/Asia server?

[proven temple]

Which seems unfair to those that already bought it..

[quasi tulip]

Want an ultimate weapon? Need to clear one of the ultimates for it

[slate ruin]

Oh well.

[livid wyvern]

I still shiver when I see someone having that "Ultimate Champion" title meaning they've cleared the hardest difficulty of raids... How do they even do that...

[celest maple]

Or we could just separate the two

The earned cosmetics will be different from the bought ones

So there would be no outrage

[slate ruin]

I don't care for those who already bought it. They already supported the game. I support it by playing it.

[proven temple]

Yeah I like that as well. I feel like good gameplay should be rewarded so special cosmetics for certain achievements and separate cosmetics that can be bought

[livid wyvern]

Yes, yes, a thousand yeses! For people who can't invest much time into the game to get cosmetics they have the option to buy it, otherwise, the people who invested a lot of time into the game can show off the ones they've unlocked.

[maiden nymph]

100 tries until it works

[livid wyvern]

Very terrifying.

[quasi tulip]

Plus its all how its handled... when it somes to outfits and mounts ing xiv and the cash shop, for every 1 added to the store like 5 or more are added in the game itself to get so it FAR outpaces whats in the store. For xiv idk how wows is

[celest maple]

The feeling of achieving something feels good.

[slate ruin]

ESO has alternate skins that you can put on your characters. Usually theyre alternatives to the ones found on the store and look different but is also the same.

[proven temple]

Exactly, and the game actually rewarding you for it, is even better.

[bold robin]

Yeah a lot of how much goodwill I have for ingame shops depends on how much effort there is in extra free stuff being added. If I see a dev actively putting new content in game for free I’m far more willing to spend a bit extra on stuff

[livid wyvern]

XIVs store isn't that big to be honest. Most of it is armor costumes based on the NPCs in the game. They want you to play the game to unlock their stuff. It's that simple. Just play the game. If you're investing for a sub to play this game, then you should know that since it's an MMORPG it requires a lot of time to play it. You should be ready to invest some time into it.

[inner canopy]

having cosmetics in a cash shop will always lessen the time spent on the cosmetics in the actual game

[quasi tulip]

STILL WAITING FOR LYSES OUTFIT SE

[livid wyvern]

Keep on dreaming potato, keep on dreaming 🙏

[livid wyvern]

Do you mean like the effort spent on it?

[maiden nymph]

It's all about time investment, i play MMO's very progressy for example 5600 hours in Monster Hunter Frontier or averaging 120~170 hours per 2 weeks when i did progress in WildStar/TERA.

[slate ruin]

Isn't XIV store absolutely terrible though lol. A lot of character only unlocks and barely any account wide things.

I'd steer clear from that mentality.

[celest maple]

Will this game be on mobile?

[inner canopy]

look at what they did recently in wow , the cash shop cosmetic is fully animated, there are changing colors , wheras the thing you get in game doesen't flow with gravity

[quasi tulip]

theres a few account wides

[warm gale]

I just realised... there is a player named IsabelleAC in the trailer 😂👀

[mint fern]

lol

[clear prism]

I think it's less about habits and more about active gameplay.
Apex legends has something that forces me to return. But I don't cause the playerbase is too sweaty. It's this active gameplay that keeps my interest.
Sims is less interesting unless I'm doing something on purpose. Keep myself engaged. Making it active gameplay.
If I remember all the fun stuff that might happen in Sims and imagine it would be 100% of the gameplay - yeah I would probably pay for it monthly.

[livid wyvern]

That, sir, is a time investment many people can only dream of. Which is why there should be a balance. You are capable of unlocking these massively difficult to unlock cosmetics than can show off your massive uhm and that you are a farmer not be messed with.

[slate ruin]

There's also Steve.

[maiden nymph]

probably not, but they have not said anything about mobile

[quasi tulip]

Palia Immortal

[slate ruin]

Hahaha if it were on mobile id be worried.

[livid wyvern]

no

[quasi tulip]

YES

The memes will flow

[livid wyvern]

🤦‍♂️

[sinful jackal]

I actually see the other side of that as well though. I think devs shouldn't put something into a game that is free. putting something into a game for players with the opportunity to obtain these with in game means puts value behind the devs hard work. If the game has compelling content regardless of free i'm more willing to continue paying that subscription and fund the game

[livid wyvern]

Still would be better than Diablo :P

[quasi tulip]

I have low hopes for D4 ngl...

They gonna fuck it up somehow I just know it

[livid wyvern]

Hey, you like skill trees? Yeah? How about an actual tree looooooooooool

[slate ruin]

Microsoft has the right idea.

Put lootboxes in a game? You better give your players the opportunity to earn the items in them through gameplay or we're having problems.

[proven temple]

Lootboxes are and always will be a menace.

[bold robin]

Oh yeah I fully support a subscription model - and it’s actually my preferred model. This is more if there is a game shop even on a subscription game how much I’m willing to spend in it depends on how I view the devs actions and effort elsewhere

[sinful jackal]

I'm against loot boxes period. No gambling mechanics needed in my opinion

[quasi tulip]

gw2 is a good exaple for f2p with a shop tho... if you really save up you can buy the shop currency for anything in the store, character slots, cosmetics, story episodes

[bold robin]

Lootboxes are a hard no from me - I will never spend money on something that does not tell me exactly what I am getting

[livid wyvern]

unless you can earn them by just playing, then they're addicting

[maiden nymph]

That was the time investment i could make when i was still in University/School. I still clear the end content with 10-30 hours per week. But I just started FF so i can't make a proper call on that one, but i heard it's not that hard to clear everything according to the peeps that got me into it.

[stable hazel]

Will Palia have a cash shop..?

[proven temple]

Unknown

[quasi tulip]

Maybe

[summer skiff]

yes probably

[bold robin]

We don’t know - it’s all speculation at the moment

[wispy wyvern]

loot boxes and predatory gamling mechanics need to get in the sea.

[summer skiff]

every goddamn mmo will have a cash shop

[inner canopy]

https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/991311.jpg?maxWidth=800

there all the flaps of the armor move independently

https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/970147.jpg?maxWidth=800

and there evrything is static , the leather straps don't flais in, the wind when you jump, the coat doesen't moove when you're falling

[slate ruin]

More than likely. Game needs to make money go get ourselves new content.

But the catch is that we can hope that means they'll work on free content updates for it.

[stable hazel]

Well then if it does, depends on whats in it but sounds like the game will be dead immediately.

[livid wyvern]

... I would like to disagree but it depends on what you want to do. A friend of mine who lives and died by FF (can play up to 16 hours a day for something) can spend up to a week to farm one item that gives him a small bonus of stats. And that's with A LOT of time investment.

[quasi tulip]

tbh that store outfit is ugly as sin anyways... like good god, you'd have to pay ME to wear that disaster

[oak totem]

🦧

[livid wyvern]

For having a cash shop of cosmetics? I doubt that big time.

[inner canopy]

yes but it hurts to see the effort they put into it and how hallf assed evrything else is

[stable hazel]

if its just cosmetics no.. but why would they hide that?

[slate ruin]

I will say.

Yes to cash shop if the content is free and still offers great rewarding cosmetics. that won't feel overshadowed by cash shop cosmetics.

[inner canopy]

simply because it's a cash shop item

[stable hazel]

I personally have 0 trust for games nowadays so im super skeptical and want that stuff revealed immediately.

especially since theres WoW devs on the team

[summer skiff]

new world coff coff

[inner canopy]

or simply make evrything in the cash shop obtainable with in game curency

[quasi tulip]

Well sadly thats modern wow for you. Not much can be done for it unless every player dropped the sub and made the shareholders and devs panic and change things for once

[summer skiff]

cash shop in the alpha coff coff

[stable hazel]

Yeah and make people spend 20hrs farming it while others just pay

[livid wyvern]

We'll just have to wait and see. I have faith in these developers, and I am only asking you to do the same. It feels like all they want to do is offer a cozy mmo experience for all of us. I am sure that means avoiding frustrating cash shop issues and pay to win mechanics. Or at least, one can hope an dpray.

[summer skiff]

ashes of creation coff coff, more cosmetics than game COFF

[inner canopy]

50 % of the playerbase already left since the start of the expansion

[noble compass]

you guys know what's really cool?

[scenic latch]

The game is gonna be free ?

[sinful jackal]

I think a literal "tip us" button would suffice for me if they simply created compelling content they the devs dreamed it to be. At least in an mmo.

[stable hazel]

Cash shop in alpha yes, it needs to be revealed immediately imo, they should have the monetary model settled imo

[unborn iris]

that is so sad ..

[noble compass]

Chapaa are.

[slate ruin]

You can either skip the 20h grind or give 20h of your work pay. The choice is yours.

[scenic latch]

The game is gonna be free ? ?

[livid wyvern]

Nothing about the availability of the game yet. We don't know. It's just pre-alpha still.

[summer skiff]

they revealed it because someone leaked

[bold robin]

Yeah that would be a pretty cool idea

[scenic latch]

Ho okay Thank you !

[stable hazel]

Elistix... If that's the choice my choice is not to play lol

[quasi tulip]

"The stardew valley killer"

[noble compass]

Chapaa chapaa chapaa

[livid wyvern]

I understand your skepticism. But I believe you shouldn't throw something away unless you try it first. Don't judge a book by its assuming book cover.

[clear prism]

To be fair, the game for now doesn't look sus to me.
From technical point of view it looks quite simple to deliver what the promised.
And they haven't jumped to big promises like "completely new experience you have never seen before" (for now?)

[slate ruin]

Oh well. I'll be having fun chilling and making houses and taming Chuus. ❤️

[sinful jackal]

Possibly but Valhiem didn't do anything inherently different either.

[bold robin]

I’m glad to see they’re looking at adding cooperation stuff to skills (only a vague answer it seems atm) but I like the idea of it - could have bigger build projects needing several of you to work on to produce more complicated things

[noble compass]

chapaa

[slate ruin]

CHUUS

[stable hazel]

I didnt throw it away, I came here to ask for cash shop info, and now hope that it isn't going to be what I expect it to be

[maiden nymph]

Chu!

[steep silo]

bless chu

[noble compass]

Chapaa.

[livid wyvern]

Trust me, most people would also leave if they make the game pay to win.

[noble compass]

How dare you, boggy :c

[spark helm]

I hope we can use chapaa as slave labourers

[quasi tulip]

You loved horse armor now get ready for chuu armor!

[slate ruin]

We are Chuus.

[bold robin]

Only issue with cooperative skills that is it makes things harder for people who prefer playing solo or maybe with just 1 or 2 people if big stuff is locked behind group cooperation

[spark helm]

CHAPAA

[stable hazel]

Well yeah I agree with that... but all my favorite games over the years, and all games ive been excited for have done exactly that though lol

[noble compass]

Chapaaaaaaaaa

[livid wyvern]

You sir, are still scary. I am increasing the distance from you by 5 meters.

[slate ruin]

CHUU

[candid sky]

WHAT

[spark helm]

;-;

[stable hazel]

I'm a beaten dog hoping for a good non cash infested mmo

[spark helm]

How else can we build our houses..

[inner canopy]

same ;_;

[wispy wyvern]

😠

[clear prism]

Just don't jump the hype trains and become suspicious towards any big promises.

[livid wyvern]

We are here for you 🙏 We come from the same scenarios.

[fossil badger]

Elf race confirmed?

[candid sky]

With the keys on our keyboards

[slate ruin]

MMOs are expensive. You want them to run without any kind of revenue stream in the day and age of everything having subscription?

[stable hazel]

Thats why I am here asking questions and putting forth my opinion for devs to read prieston

[maiden nymph]

IMHO most players would stick with the game if it's B2P. The issue that they need to solve is how the cashshop will work (Like i don't want to feel excluded for not using the cashshop for my crap/plain looking house)

[obtuse pasture]

where i can download this game?

[livid wyvern]

They mean pay to win.

[obtuse pasture]

help

[spark helm]

I use a guitar hero controller

[noble compass]

it is confirmed that they're working on it, but it won't be in the alpha

[candid sky]

Epic

[willow sundial]

maybe asking the devs how they are going to sustain the game (servers/dev team salary...) should answer the question

[slate ruin]

How are cosmetics pay to win.

What is even pay to win to some people.

[stable hazel]

No Elistix. I want them to have a clear respectable and Transparent monetary model

[sinful jackal]

I work 12 hours a day and STILL would rather spend my "time" progressing through an mmo the way it was designed to. Games are by designed to take up "time" so why sell yourself short of that good time?

[celest maple]

pay to win cosmetic: cosmetic that might give you buffs

[candid sky]

Very good point there

[maiden nymph]

If cosmetics are the content of the game, a cosmetics cash shop is like getting loot from a cashshop

[pearl ore]

How do you do pay to win in a game that's not competitive? When items you buy give no competitive advantage?

[slate ruin]

That's stupid. I don't know any of the bigger MMOs that even do this and this is made by people who know their MMO stuff.

[brittle rapids]

If the only objective of the game is to get cosmetics then yes, even cosmetics can be "pay to win"

[stable hazel]

EXACTLY HAMMSTER thats how I feel

[quasi tulip]

I never got the people who like want to play a new mmo and boost to endgame... like idk i know endgame is a fav for pve mmos but I kinda like the journey there too 😮

[celest maple]

well, bdo did

[clear prism]

Too early. Devs don't decide that and it's usually depends on how many people playing, how much the servers are maintained, etc.

[bold robin]

Yeah I mean I’m keeping fairly neutral on it at the moment. I’m excited by the potential gameplay and different type of MMO this is, but I’m definitely not getting too hyped about it until I see a lot more. At the same time I’m not going to assume they’re money grabbing and going to monetise everything. Early days and until we see more probably best to not make too many assumptions either way

[slate ruin]

BDO isn't one of the big MMOs though.

[willow sundial]

@sinful jackal some people live for the ladder and wouldn't mind to pay to reach higher place in the ladder.

[stable hazel]

Elistix BDO is one of the large ones though lol

and one many had high hopes for

[spark helm]

it kinda is

[slate ruin]

WoW, ESO and FFXIV are at the top of the food chain.

[mint fern]

^

[strange fern]

Moorrrrning~

[celest maple]

maybe, i think it could be better they do it like warframe

[mint fern]

and wow is dying atm

[spark helm]

Morning bear!

[wispy wyvern]

We having this argument again eh?

[stable hazel]

Okay, and none of those do it, yet they do offer cosmetics cooler than their ingame cosmetic rewards

[celest maple]

p2f is more understandable

[wind solar]

Good morning to you :))

[maiden nymph]

WoW always dies

[celest maple]

Blizzard games are dying in general

[quasi tulip]

ngl I find esos animations janky and the combat a bore >o>

[celest maple]

Good mornin

[obtuse pasture]

where i can download palia?

[stable hazel]

cant gamer

[wispy wyvern]

WoW is now a joke made at it's own expense. 😉

[inner canopy]

blizzard as a whole is dying , evryone is leaving

[slate ruin]

WoW bleeds but it's a titan that won't die.

[mint fern]

yeah but were in a pandemic where mostly everyone is stuck at home and they lost over 1/3 of there player base XD

[candid sky]

Yeah pretty soon we’re gonna start talking about pvp and the relationship between toxicity and competition I think

[spark helm]

ehh, still better than Skyrim's lol

[noble compass]

everything dies from the very beginning.

[strange fern]

Agent B🧐 (it's a joke in another server haha)

[wispy wyvern]

Oh dear.

[celest maple]

I saw it on twitter and I can't still believe that it'd be that many

[spark helm]

sorry for disrespecting you Agent B ;-;

[slate ruin]

Besides. You know what would probably seen like pay to win in Palia? Paying for your crops to go faster.

Now THAT I don't want.

[sinful jackal]

Possibly but I think that's where the devs need to make a point to definitively state what sort of game they are making. A traditional sense mmo with natural progression or one where the end game content is all that matters so as to place a higher emphasis on being on top of a ladder

[mint fern]

honestly if blizzard dies it just opens doors for new people and ideas to take centre stage

[quasi tulip]

Somehow I disagree XD idk why but the combat just didn't do it for me, maybe cause of how weightless it felt and janky it was

[stable hazel]

Elistix, I only believe that for as long as games continue their deceptive, dirty, disgusting monetary habits.

[livid wyvern]

20% increased farming speed.

[fiery wagon]

blizzard doesnt exist anymore. It died a while ago . Most of the shares are owned by Activision and Tencent

[mint fern]

i hate tencent D:<

[maiden nymph]

As does for RIOT, shared don't mean much

[noble shard]

i love starcraft but i hate blizzard now honestly

[quasi tulip]

"Boost to farmer level 50 with the farmer booster"

[noble compass]

league is still a pretty good game lol

[pearl ore]

But i still don't see how that's pay to win. What's being won?

[mint fern]

well league has amazing art direction i just cant keep up with the games rules since i started in season 2 it changed to much :(

[strange fern]

VIP system

[mild rune]

Pay2win isn't a thing in a game with no pvp lol

[sinful jackal]

I think it has died and there is a reason 6+ studios have split off essentially and all consisting of the old Blizzard North. all that remains is Activision.

[pearl ore]

This

[stable hazel]

League is a good game, and it has a transparent monetary model and its FTP I am fine with them honestly. but I stopped playin in 2017 cause it got old

[spark helm]

If you ignore the community, champ design, and balance team, sure 😅

[maiden nymph]

In a social game "status/esteem" is the "win" for most people. If you're the one with the biggest brightest house with the most exotic items you won the social game.

[noble shard]

paid story expansions is something that bothers me a whole lot, especially when they're overpriced

[celest maple]

Honestly I'm just only waiting for their comics

[slate ruin]

Combat is a major 2nd hand thought in Palia. What exactly do you want to pay to win in this? You keep talking about cosmetics but this is essentially a chill farming game.

Talk about farming boosters, crop speed ups, material buying.

That's the kind of stuff that will get people to avoid playing the game.

Buy 100 planks of wood rather than grind the forest for 2 hours.

THIS should be what we talk about.

[noble compass]

it's just the community. the game is great, so are the updates. but the community - holy maccaroni, never seen such a mess

[fiery wagon]

@maiden nymph blizzard its not the same anymore. Most of the old devs left, most of the people that innovated in the game industry left too... Blizzard is no more.

[livid wyvern]

If there will be a leaderboard or something similar, since this is an MMORPG, it doesn't need PVP to make it "competitive disadvantage". The game is about farming, that's the competitiveness about it.

[celest maple]

At least draven mains are very religious

[inner canopy]

yes but it just turns into pay to enjoy the game or enjoy having 20 hours hurdles put in your way

[mint fern]

Why cant they just make an open world league of legends game where is single player and you explore the world

[celest maple]

It's in the works

[noble compass]

it's like sodom and gomorrha but with a little purge-spice

[pearl ore]

We'll have to agree to disagree

[mild rune]

I get it but it still isn't p2w

[winged basalt]

That was the plan all along. That Fat Goblin running Activision will now proceed to drive that into the ground too, just like he did every other company he's ever run. His entire purpose is to turn out companies for max profit, and then ditch the sinking ship to go kill something else. Guy should be in prison, not a board of directors meeting.

[mild rune]

There's nothing to win lol

[celest maple]

They worship Allah lol

[mint fern]

like can you imagine playing single player and you run into fiddle sticks in the woods D:

[noble compass]

there is a league of legends mmo in the working

[inner canopy]

it's as shitty as p2w

[stable hazel]

Elistix... Cosmetics sound like the core of the game to me, so if the store has cosmetics I am going to be a little salty, and by a little I mean more than I would in WoW where gear is supposedly the game(though mounts are so cash shop is bad)

[mild rune]

Still not the same tho :P

[slate ruin]

There is no stats grinding and number crunching in Palia.

[inner canopy]

remember dungeon keeper mobile ?

[frosty island]

Is this game coming to pc only or it will be for ps and xbox?

[inner canopy]

nice me neither

[livid wyvern]

No news yet.

[mild rune]

No xd

[maiden nymph]

I worked in the game industry i change employee's every 2-3 years because the project was done. It's 100% normal. People are very unsatisfied with the direction Blizard went, but at the same time look at the hype for the diablo 2 remake

[pearl ore]

I can't imagine "keeping up with the Joneses" as a competitive model. It boggles my mind that anyone would care that much, but to each their own

[slate ruin]

Cost us Warcraft 3 though. 😒

[quasi tulip]

remaster*

[celest maple]

We only talk about the remake and never the mobile

[noble shard]

blizzard as a company isn't very good at the moment, but their game developers astonish me with every new thing they make

[stable hazel]

Reforged*

[umbral ferry]

The hype for an old actual good game? :p

[noble shard]

also diablo 2 was a good ass game

[quasi tulip]

Diablo 2 Immortal Reforged China edition

[frosty island]

I like the concept of game just to log in and chill

[celest maple]

They butchered warcraft

[inner canopy]

basicly the concept was great , but they ruined it by adding microtransactions ,and fast pass to dig spots otherwise you could wait up to 256 hours

[noble compass]

but they aren't making new things at the moment lol

[mint fern]

dont ever talk of dungeon keeper mobile D:<

[sinful jackal]

lol oofta

[mint fern]

i was so GODDAMN ANGRY

[mild rune]

People will find competition in literally anything lmao "watch me win this solitaire game before you"

[inner canopy]

me too

[noble compass]

but actually - guys, this is not the right place for this conversations :D

[noble shard]

well yea i know i meant when they were making things

[winged basalt]

There's always hype for blizzard remakes due to nostalgia. But when they come out underworked, over monetized crap, people get mad, but then turn around and hype the very next thing. People who still play Blizzard games have textbook stockholm syndrome. They defend their abuser to the end of the world.

[noble compass]

let's talk about chapaa.

[slate ruin]

You mean chuus

[noble compass]

I mean chapaa.

[spark helm]

You mean Chapaa

[noble shard]

what is chapaa

[inner canopy]

[spark helm]

Chapaa is life

[noble compass]

chapaa is love. chapaa is life.

[celest maple]

i play wow..i don't defend Blizz..i hat ethem at teh moment

[sinful jackal]

Well it is in the sense as we hope palia nothing of the short comings and mistakes that came before it in the industry

[winged basalt]

Blizzard and Activision can't die quick enough, maybe that fat goblin will go to another industry and leave ours alone.

[wispy wyvern]

Baby dont hurt me no more...

[noble compass]

chapaa is honor, glory and trust.

[celest maple]

But no game has the lore that warcraft has..and i love that

[umbral ferry]

A chuu by any other name would squeak as sweet

[celest maple]

Ngl I want their teeths and skulls as a decorations for my house

so i play the game

[pearl ore]

Yeah I really don't get it. Unless it's direct competition, like a shooter or farming simulator league, I really don't care what advantages people use to save themselves time getting the items they want in a game

[inner canopy]

you will always have people who turn stardew valley into speedruns

[noble compass]

If you're interested in the animals of palia: #💭│discord-server-thoughts message

[sinful jackal]

I never started on the WoW band wagon. I started in UO and miss it still. Palia, Valheim and few others gives me small senses of that old school mmo feel.

[fiery wagon]

100% correct . But still - Does blizzard still feels blizzard to you? Does " You guys dont have phones" sounds like blizzard? When was the last time when Blizzard innovated? ( Overwatch was fun...but its done) . Thats why im saying they have the name "Blizzard" and thats it. The glory of TBC and Wrath of the lich king was so powerful WoW still lives of it . Every year WoW has lower and lower playerbase. Diablo 3 was a fail at launch ( got better tho ) . And Diablo 4 is years away- and it doesnt look exceptional ( I'd rather play PoE) . The soul of Blizzard is gone man

[celest maple]

dude..you are smokin' the devil lettuce if you whink Blizz will die / WOW will stop being n.1 MMO..sorry to say this to you👀

[umbral ferry]

It's almost like humans are competitive race, and competition tends to drive any progress :p

[pearl ore]

But how does that affect other people?

[inner canopy]

ff 14 already surpassed wow in playercount

[wispy wyvern]

Leave salad out of this.

[slate ruin]

Competition in Palia : turnip harvesting contest

[maiden nymph]

The issue is that Blizzard still delivers something good from time to time. I'm by far not a genius game dev or designer who can speak for everyone. But the black/white hive mind is clouding the actual situation some companies are in. Like take EA for example everyone hates EA as cashgrabs, at the same time they send source + assets for free to the command and conquer open source project OpenRA, they even got the models from the remaster for free.

[celest maple]

dude..no..jsut stop

[paper stump]

Hi

[brave gorge]

u cant, alpha not out

[noble compass]

and so are the heads of blizzard gone, they're working on something called "palia" at the moment and still, if you're looking forward at the new blizzard - it's called "Dreamhaven" - even founded by mike morhaime, the blizzard man.

[inner canopy]

anything that pulls away resources from a game will impact evryone

[slate ruin]

The WoW vs FFXIV discourse gets boring after awhile. lol.

Just talk about chuus instead.

[quasi tulip]

I hope palia does collabs, and they do one with dreamhaven

[inner canopy]

yes

[spark helm]

Chapaa*

[umbral ferry]

I mean, even WoW players hate WoW

[slate ruin]

Chuus.

[maiden nymph]

Stardew Valley collab 👀

[spark helm]

Chapaa.

[slate ruin]

Chuus

[noble shard]

i don't even thing WoW and FFXIV are comparable

[spark helm]

Chapaa

[sinful jackal]

Anyone know or have any thoughts on Palia"s housing. Will it be like games of old such as UO or like the newer games such as ESO?

[inner canopy]

einar ?

[celest maple]

Both.

[winged basalt]

When Activision took over Blizzard there was a profit sharing portion of compensation contracts. The better your work, the more money the company made, the more money you made. It was a significant portion of the pay for people working support lines for their games.

Because of profit sharing, the actual pay was pretty low. Cause you had profit sharing.

Fat Goblin takes over, and exploits a loophole in the contracts to remove the profit sharing, but did NOT increase pay to compensate. So the support techs suddenly went from being able to support themselves, to being utterly screwed.

Activision did it knowing most of them would stay because working for blizzard was their dream job. And they were right. For a long time most of those people that stayed, lived IN THEIR CARS IN THE PARKING LOT CAUSE THEY COULDN'T AFFORD HOUSING.

Any other state, the goblin would have been thrown in front of a judge in an orange track suit for that kind of blatant abuse of employees. But not in california... he got away with it.

Never give activision anything but contempt and ridicule. It is all they deserve.

[fiery wagon]

@noble compass yep i know. Im looking forward for DreamHaven project ( I saw they already signed some game studios) .

[spark helm]

Heretic

[noble compass]

you can't compare EA with Blizzard. Blizzard was like THE game company. Everyone loved them, they spread love and joy to the world. But the thing that Blizzard was a long time ago is now laying in a corner heavily breathing.

[umbral ferry]

that dreamhaven website feels pretty

[celest maple]

I start to feel like grey jedi

[inner canopy]

i hope it would be like eso without the cash shop or the build limit

[celest maple]

Accurate

[fiery wagon]

i expect in 4-5 years DreamHaven to come with something fresh and long lasting

[noble compass]

yes! they did! i asked the team of s6 if they will be a part of dreamhaven too, but no answer :c

[quasi tulip]

holy crap with the new expansion for xiv addind a seemingly private island all to yourself to like farm an stuff, it'd be perfect for a xiv x palia collab!

[pearl ore]

But people act as though all efforts get put towards that method of monetization. That's simply not true, not even close to true. There's a lot more to a dev team than the group that works on monetization

[slate ruin]

They said there wouldn't be limits I think but we won't be able to do things like put a chair inside a bed or something.

[fiery wagon]

@noble compass i mean, thats probably NDA information 😄

[slate ruin]

But we'll be able to clutter our spaces

[royal dragon]

Hello, what is the payment method ? With a subscription ?

[spark helm]

Damn.. my revolutionary chair bed will have to wait

[sleek nacelle]

Oh gosh I'm really excited for this game

[spark helm]

No clue

[quasi tulip]

You pay with the blood of chuus

[maiden nymph]

EA exists since 1982, they also had a time where everone loved their games. Most people are just not old enough to know

[slate ruin]

That's chapaa propaganda.

[inner canopy]

Most of creativest things i've seen in the sims were items clipping trough eachothers XD

[noble compass]

i hope they will do a lot of great things. I mean.. every game studio they signed is already in the hand of ex blizzard, riot or epic employees.

[quasi tulip]

I have the chuu role tho

DUN DUN DUUN

[slate ruin]

Wh.

[meager cosmos]

[slate ruin]

Imposter!

slams the big red button

[slow quarry]

this game is gonna be pog

[quasi tulip]

Aren't they just the same creature but two names?

[noble compass]

chapaa.

[meager cosmos]

yes

[noble compass]

No. Chapaa is the only truth.

[inner canopy]

i vote @slate ruin too sus

[quasi tulip]

Chuu sounds better

[slate ruin]

I vote to eject @quasi tulip ! He's sus of being a hidden chapaa!

[quasi tulip]

Chapaa sounds like cappa

[clear prism]

No, Chapaas chap their enemies.
And Chuus do smoochies or smth.

[fiery wagon]

@noble compass thats why I even have faith in this game. I know some experienced and good designers are working on this. They have the knowledge to balance and take decisions that make a gamer play their game

[noble shard]

there are so many creatures already named chu

[wispy wyvern]

I am hoping it leans more towards UO with a little more granularity in terms of construction.

[noble shard]

but i have never heard of a chapaa before, so i like it

[royal dragon]

Thank you 👍🏻

[delicate pulsar]

Hello!

[slate ruin]

They better add some kind of lore about some long forgotten war over the words Chapaa and Chuu in the lore lmao.

[sinful jackal]

Curious. Why in your opinion do you prefer ESO's instanced housing. I personally like idea of having a physical house distinguishable from others in the world and a section of claimed space in game. But that's just me.

[spark helm]

I just want a cute forest home surrounded by cute forest creatures ;____;

[noble compass]

the most important thing isn't just the game. we're in 2021, i think the community (palmunnity) is the most important part of a game. if the community is supporting each other and spreads love, is in a good mind and works together, every mistake the game studio makes can be forgiven

[quasi tulip]

Chapaaotle

[wispy wyvern]

I always felt that instanced housing was a cop out

[inner canopy]

oh i meant in the house editing way

[delicate pulsar]

There's lore already?

[sinful jackal]

Well i like the idea of building a house like in valheim as well but on a plot of land i could call my own in palia

[wispy wyvern]

I want to be part of a world, a community. Not hidden behind an invisible bubble

[delicate pulsar]

I must read the webpage end to end

[noble compass]

there's some kind of lore already. and there are some creature names (#💭│discord-server-thoughts message)

[slate ruin]

Instanced housing is fun because you don't have to worry about the space being taken by someone else.

[fiery wagon]

indeed.

[spark helm]

There's a little, yeah

[timber dock]

oohh?

[inner canopy]

personally i'd love to see "guilds" own neibourghoods wher their memebers build their houses

[umbral ferry]

2021, the age where social stuff has been reduced and streamlined in like every game

[sinful jackal]

Oh well then i'm ignorant in the ways of ESO editing i haven't actually filled my ESO house up with anything.

[spark helm]

welp, here I go living off on my own again

[quasi tulip]

IF theres lore for chapaa vs chuu they better do lore for a great long forgotten food war long ago when man was around

[tardy wraith]

If we get into the alpha we need to take a big community picture together

[potent loom]

It's Chuu

[sinful jackal]

But what if once claimed its yours and can't be taken?

[gentle pewter]

The same can be said to have it in the open world where thousands of players can run into it and visit you/admire your home

[inner canopy]

the tools are amazing, you can rotate anything even put a horce on the roof

[noble compass]

yes. that's why a social game like this could be the biggest banger of the decade. if the community keeps their energy and love as they now do

[quasi tulip]

You mean burn the house for fun yes? 😄

[wispy wyvern]

Instanced housing would be a game breaker for me. It gets in the way of the idea of shared community beyond just your guild and people you already know. If the sacrifice is I have to work a little harder to find a spot then so be it.

[noble compass]

it's chapaa. it has always been chapaa

[gentle pewter]

Lol!!! Oh my that would be bad

[slate ruin]

Can't have that in games where houses are in the open world. You have to pay rent to keep it.

[celest maple]

Within reason hopefully. Wanna lock the furries out.

[sinful jackal]

oh i see. Absolutely would be great for once an item was created to be able to edit and placed such as that yes

[outer knot]

Good afternoon how are you all ?

[celest maple]

👋🏻

[outer knot]

Do you know when the pre-alpha wile be out ? I just registered and made the survey carefully

[steady osprey]

Good morning everyone!

[potent loom]

Look at how this emoji is written

[slate ruin]

Fun fact ZOS hired the housing editor add-on guy.

[steady osprey]

^-^

[sinful ether]

It really depends how they do it. If it’s instanced off in a separate zone that’s disconnected from the world, then that’s not great. However if the housing is represented in the real open world and only the interiors are instanced , that’s OK with me.

[noble compass]

[inner canopy]

ZOS ?

[slate ruin]

Zenimax Online Studios

[potent loom]

Shit

[inner canopy]

ohh nice 😄

[potent loom]

You found it

[slate ruin]

Yeah that's why the housing editor stuff is good

[sinful jackal]

lol I mean you could implement that as a dev but why create a system that deters people from wanting to have a place of their own in game

[noble compass]

of course i did

[spark helm]

I feel like that's the best option. They need a way to separate the interiors from the server, otherwise it will get bloated and laggy way too fast lol

[noble shard]

chuuchapa

[wispy wyvern]

That's still a barrier. New World has an interesting take on it where the highest rated house gets seen, but I still am not a fan.

A living breathing world, with actualised places is a sorely missed out on feature in mmos.

[noble compass]

No. Go back to the hell you raise upon.

It's Chapaa.

[celest maple]

It's chupaa

[spark helm]

Chapaa >:(

[noble shard]

hmm

[inner canopy]

chuuuups

[noble shard]

u right. sounds like chupacabra

[clear prism]

I'm not weeb enough to be Chuu

[strange fern]

Hahaha it has been a fight for 4 days already

[noble shard]

chapaa it is then

[sinful ether]

That’s basically what black desert does. And I think it’s the best compromise between open world free building but also giving players access to whatever they want

[potent loom]

But I am the creator of this emoji so ... so... idk..

[tender portal]

I’m pretty sure theres a huge problem with this long term. In that the map is finite in size so eventually all the spots will be taken and new players will have nowhere to live

[noble compass]

it's very cute. but why is it called crai? :D

[winged basalt]

Then be prepared for disappointment. You clearly do not understand the scale of the problem non instanced housing would be. Millions of players... each with a plot? You're looking at a sprawling metropolis that makes New York look like a bump in the road town of 20 people...

[delicate pulsar]

A thing that i really like about BDO housing mechanic is that there's a limited amount of houses per city, but every person in the game can buy all of them whenever

[noble compass]

[plush kelp]

@quick wyvern is smelly

[sinful jackal]

o7 alright folks, have a great morning. Good chatting and good points all round. Time to work irl

[slate ruin]

In LOTRO, you have neighborhoods/homesteads where you have a wide variety of houses to buy. But you have to pay a rent fee to keep it or else the house becomes locked and can't be used anymore and can be bought by other players. That's the cost of being out in the world.

[wispy wyvern]

Lay aside the condescension for a moment buddy.
I am well aware of the constraints.

[molten gust]

Has anyone here gotten a pre alpha key?

[wispy wyvern]

I also have faith in human ingenuity and the ability so solve complex problems.

[celest maple]

No

[noble compass]

not yet

[shy epoch]

^

[clear prism]

LotRo does not have single player elements. Palia apparently does so I expect Neighbourhood as layers.

[winged basalt]

Clearly you're not. Just attempting it would lead to a game that is unplayable. Does that mean that it has to be immerson breaking? No. Most housing systems are horribly implimented. But non-instanced, or at least non-block instanced is outright impossible.

[sinful ether]

There is technology out there to leverage, either homegrown or with something like SpatialOS or Coherence On top of a cloud native infrastructure That would allow a humongous open world with real space for individual housing. But I don’t guess that’s the goal here or even really need for the gameplay they are going for. That would be a pretty big technical lift even now!!

[celest maple]

Do not lay aside people's gear and financial status tho.

[wispy wyvern]

That's your opinion and you are absolutely entitled to it.

[sinful jackal]

unless your were able to meld a system such as locational nodes like in "Last Oasis", which could relieve the stress of having a single open world with all those millions of peeps. maybe

[delicate pulsar]

What about having guilds that cost a lot of money to make and maintain, but also have like a neighbourhood per guild with plots on land that the guild sells to their members and apply their fees?

[winged basalt]

It's not an opinion... it's a cold hard fact of how computers work

[sinful jackal]

ok off to work lol

[celest maple]

Everyone smile

[quasi tulip]

is that old LOTR mmo still good tho

[slate ruin]

It's fine. I like it.

[wind crescent]

What’s up guys 🤩

[winged basalt]

If you instance a neighborhood size chunk of plots, say 30ish... you can still get that neighborhood feel, but can manage the computer frying lag that would result from having everyone laid out on one instance.

[spark helm]

Hey Veila :D

[molten bloom]

[wispy wyvern]

I love the hideboundedness of it all. I really do.

[manic canyon]

--Morning everyone im glad the chuus are still going strong

[wind crescent]

Heey 😁 omg I can’t stop thinking about Palia. I need it. Now.

[spark helm]

We all need it now

[wind crescent]

I need it more

[delicate pulsar]

Not if you don't render the furniture and only render the outer layer of the houses

[wind crescent]

😂

[spark helm]

no me

[tender portal]

Omg same I’m so excited

[celest maple]

Hopefully we get into the alpha. Did you do the survey?

[slate ruin]

I'm low-key hoping that housing will have hobbit hole style of buildings.

[noble compass]

we need a highly produced song with a deep background voice repeating "chapaa chapaa chuu" the whole time. will be a banger.

[wispy wyvern]

So much this

[winged basalt]

Even then, you're still instancing everything or at least sharding things. Having everyone in the same spot at the same time never ends well...

[sinful ether]

The big thing for me is understanding if there’s a large open world with many many villages that you could make a home in. I don’t want it to be one central village that we all share

[spark helm]

that would be so cute! i need

[wind crescent]

Tired of wow and just waiting for 9.1 and now this shows up. Just giiiiive me the love

[celest maple]

A lo-fi version of it

[cinder comet]

I'm 100% about to lose my life to this game.

[noble compass]

yess

[wind crescent]

Fine we can need it together

[quasi tulip]

I want a king system, whoever farms 60,000 potatos gets to be potato king

[celest maple]

Listening to lo-fi chuu while farming

[spark helm]

hmm.... okay deal

[celest maple]

Personally I want options to choose the style and I want a lot of windows.

[noble compass]

would be great.

[slate ruin]

I posted this the other day in the meme channel but I feel I can post it here.

[past harbor]

still pre alpha. gameplay test first than its cosmetics 😛

[spark helm]

you'll most likely unlock more styles as you go.

[delicate pulsar]

The server only 'renders' the guild's neighbourhood with the most 'points of beauty', or if you're in a guild that's using that neighbourhood, then it's prioritized

[ashen ledge]

hows everyone doing today

[slate ruin]

Oh wait I can't post it here.

[cinder comet]

I've gotten really bored of FF XIV and WOW lol.

[slate ruin]

I'll post it in #🎭│palia-memes

[manic canyon]

i need a Victorian styled house

[quasi tulip]

I'd play retail... but only if someone bought me a sub, cause i aint giving acti buzzard my monney

[spark helm]

most of us have too 😂

[wind crescent]

When we go out on adventures, where do we sleep? I mean, will there be camping? Like buying tents and have bonfires? That would be so awesome. @spark helm we can go camping together.

[quasi tulip]

Im not bored of xiv, just burnt out cause im not good at stopping myself to play other games :.D

[spark helm]

No clue. No gameplay has been shown yet so it's all speculation for us hahaa.
But sure, let's all go camping and eat potatoes

[delicate pulsar]

Small towns means small neighbourhoods, if you have like 50 guilds per town, you still only render the amount of neighbourhood the town has, with a lot of space inbetween cuz it's like the middle ages and stuff

[slate ruin]

Posted the thing in #🎭│palia-memes

[wind crescent]

Potatoes? I want meat and Prosecco 😍

[winged basalt]

A lot of the problems people have with instanced housing is that it's an addon to something and done horribly. It kind of breaks immersion to watch six guys vanish through a doorway that's suppose to lead to YOUR house... making you feel that either something is up, or you're the victim of a burglary...

Like I said, instance not individual houses, but neighborhood sized chunks. That way you still get the neighborhood feel, and the doors that everyone piles into are to common areas, not individual homes. Helps maintain immersion and helps control lag from having so many clients in the same area (And it's not the render that's the problem. It's the system trying and failing to track/communicate/and send movement and action information to 1000000 people that are all standing in nearly the same spot. You could have a white room with nothing in it, and that would lag a game).

[spark helm]

WE WILL FEAST ON THE FLESH OF THE CHUU

[wind crescent]

Wtf is a Chuu

[quasi tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/samwise-gamgee-frodo-sam-lotr-gollum-gif-15924654

[wind crescent]

Yes I’m a noob

[manic canyon]

@spark helm no thats not allowed

[noble compass]

it's called chapaa.

[spark helm]

Something that doesn't exist but people named wrong. Chapaa are real

[quasi tulip]

Chuu

[noble compass]

#💭│discord-server-thoughts message

[manic canyon]

Chuu

[spark helm]

Chapaa = Chuu (but only dumb dumbs call them Chuu)

[clear prism]

Non-instanced houses are usually too heavy to handle.
So it comes to situation that only the rich ones have the house.
Or like in Survival games where all good spots are taken; build underwater or smth.

[wind crescent]

Oh. I won’t eat that. They’re so cute.

[brittle rapids]

so are cows

[noble compass]

yakmoo~

[delicate pulsar]

That should be fixed with a way for the server to filter the information sent to the people, but i guess it would be a lot of processing power for the server to maintain without forming a supernova

[wind crescent]

But cows are scary

[slate ruin]

@spark helm Watcha think of it?

[molten bloom]

we need to start making neighborhood and recruit people XD

[wind crescent]

YES!

[spark helm]

Cows are scary???

[bright forge]

Lough in [TPP]-heh

[wind crescent]

But I will start a Swedish community. I already have one in wow.

[quasi tulip]

They have 4 nipples, it aint right

[molten bloom]

oh nice

[stiff hedge]

oop im excited for this omg

[spark helm]

the meme post? I loved it

[wind crescent]

They’re big and have nasty mouths

[winged basalt]

Pretty much, but with Palia being built around housing, and not only housing but custom built housing... you're going to HAVE to instance that just to isolate the individual blocks of building area. It's not going to be easy. S6 has their work cut out for them, or they've got some real geniuses on their side that went into it knowing that.

[smoky copper]

Cows also weigh roughly 1500 to 1800 pounds

[spark helm]

but they're so cute

[smoky copper]

theyre large and in charge

[quasi tulip]

Hey, thats not nice to speak of my wife that way

[manic canyon]

cows also constantly 💩 ]

[wind crescent]

YES! With a lot of meat on them

[slate ruin]

I think you'll relate to what I posted in #🎭│palia-memes xD

[smoky copper]

You dont actually eat cow meat though

[spark helm]

We do love meat over here

[winged basalt]

Yea, rendering is client side. That isn't as hard to handle as server side stuff. Lag client side affects 1 person. Lag server side affects EVERYONE.

[clear prism]

Huh... also...
If you are in a Guild (aka Neigborhood) and you switch the guild - do you loose your house or does it get teleported to your new Neighbor...
I mean... technically how does that even work.

[noble compass]

chapaa

[manic canyon]

@noble compassChuu

[smoky copper]

Dairy cows especially are not consumed frequently for their meat.

[noble compass]

nobody knows how the gameplay works at all

[latent timber]

cows have soft tongues!! and they're slobbery

regards, kid from dairy farm

[quasi tulip]

chappp chapaa, chapaa chapaa, chuu chuu

[umbral ferry]

But waht kinda tongues do chuus have

[delicate pulsar]

Yeah yeah, its a real puzzle thinking of something this globally

[spark helm]

Alright I got a physio session in the morning so I gotta head off to sleep. Goodnight my little Chapaas

[clear prism]

That's why I have questions. Wanna be impressed with the solutions devs could pull off.

[winged basalt]

I would be cool with an UP style movement cinematic ^_^ you literally baloon your house to a new neighborhood

[slate ruin]

I had an idea in terms of husbandry and taking care of your animals.

If you don't take good care of them the meat/food harvested from them won't be good! Lesser quality.

Take care of your COWS!

[umbral ferry]

that'd be cool haha

[manic canyon]

like petting your animals in stardew

[delicate pulsar]

That would really be beautiful

[warm remnant]

Good luck!

[clear prism]

I thought it would be weird with farms and stuff but like... I think it would be fitting for graphics.

[delicate pulsar]

It's like 9:30 in the morning in argentina and i didn't sleep yet

[winged basalt]

All you have to do is make sure someone is petting a Chapaa in the foreground and people will forget their crops got left behind...

[delicate pulsar]

I'm sleepy

[plush kelp]

🐱

[severe gorge]

8:30am at work rn

[wind crescent]

That last post? Yes! I love wow and hate it at the same time. Hate the grind. Love raids and m+ but it takes too much time to really get to the point where you actually get rewarded.

[mystic vale]

3 pm here, hi guys 😛

[severe gorge]

[outer knot]

2.33

[winged basalt]

Did we ever get the chapaa bonk emoji?

[outer knot]

what clock do you have LOL

[potent loom]

2:33 pm

[glacial ferry]

@narrow narwhal Hi friends. I live in Russia. I really liked the presentation of the game. I would like to wish success to the creators of this masterpiece. I hope they succeed. And we can play a very cool game.

[wind crescent]

Palia seems to me like a MMO where you just walk around being in love all the time.

[outer knot]

wait and see

if we are picked for the pre-alpha

then discover in full 😄

[mystic vale]

@glacial ferry hello there fellow russian

[wind crescent]

Give me happy and sunshine and butterflies 24/7

[delicate pulsar]

I would love to experience it

[past narwhal]

Looking forward to this game! Have a 4 year old daughter that wants her first PC this has given me some great design ideas for it. Look forward to our family enjoying this game together :)

[potent loom]

If I m not ... I am sad

[delicate pulsar]

I live for romance mangas and animes, what better for me than a lovely mmo where i get to be happy with my animals and my crops?

[wind crescent]

Indeed! I have two daughters, 9 and 11, and they will LOOVE this.

[boreal slate]

👋

[wind crescent]

Word.

[severe gorge]

can we make beer in palia, tavern gang

[celest maple]

is there a beta for this game? it looks really good

[boreal slate]

[manic canyon]

@celest maple you can sign up for pre alpha

[wind crescent]

Beer? Can we make Prosecco you mean? 😁

[celest maple]

how do i sign up?

[still arrow]

oh trust me, we're making more than beer if that's the case

[boreal slate]

go on their website

[manic canyon]

palia.com

[celest maple]

okay thank you

[delicate pulsar]

I will be making tea and Mate🧉 for the people who dont like beer or alcohol like me :3

[winged basalt]

I'm just waiting for people get into the pre alpha and then complain it's not full featured.... 😠

[severe gorge]

MEEAADD

[manic canyon]

@winged basalt yea itll happen for sure

[wind crescent]

If I don’t get pre-alpha I will fall into depression. I’m already obsessed. Bipolar downside.

[mystic vale]

alee

[winged basalt]

"This game is garbage! You can't even [insert things clearly not finished yet]"

[bright forge]

I wonder how may people will get pre-alpha

[manic canyon]

@bright forge all we can do is wish everyone luck

[delicate pulsar]

"This game is garbage! There's no insert inappropiate thing clearly not for this game here"

[bright forge]

now it's like 1/50000 chance

[delicate pulsar]

Thats for 1 person

[winged basalt]

Oh god... there will be that too won't there. [Faith in humanity -5]

[noble compass]

According to the website "Palia has a deep, evolving story that we plan on telling (with you!) for years to come."

[bright forge]

I know

[quasi tulip]

"Wheres the pvp? Its calling itself an mmo wheres the pvp!?"

[strong spoke]

The chance is based on what?

[maiden nymph]

I challange you to a house-off

[wind crescent]

Pvp sucks balls

[quasi tulip]

I cant design so you win heres a gold metal

[mystic vale]

welp merchant wars are pvp

[winged basalt]

I challenge you to a Chapaa off

[maiden nymph]

this isn't temtem 👀

[strong spoke]

Yeah for those who are not skilled enough

[delicate pulsar]

I challenge myself in a house-off

[winged basalt]

I fully intend to become a chapaa breeder if possible

[delicate pulsar]

Clearly like me

[wind crescent]

Or just hate the concept

[bright forge]

how many people there are it's just pure numbers

[manic canyon]

Who needs a house if i can camp and live next to a fishing spot thats all i want

[delicate pulsar]

That would mean you intend to kill chapaa in some point

[noble compass]

no kill chapaa :(

[severe gorge]

just get a cabin by the lake

[delicate pulsar]

Or release chapaa to the wild, creating an overpopulation problem of chapaa

[quasi tulip]

Chapaa stew

[strong spoke]

Well you mean competition? PvP does not need to be bashing weapons at each other

[winged basalt]

The only thing I will take pleasure in killing are carrots...

[umbral ferry]

Have we seen chuu paws yet? Do they have toe beans?

[winged basalt]

Chu isn't a thing

[manic canyon]

@manic canyonyea but i like camping

[dire valve]

hi

[maiden nymph]

I would see PvP in this game in fishing and cooking competition and themed house decoration events

[wind crescent]

Well wow bg’s is kinda fun. But open world just ruins the experience for me@

[delicate pulsar]

I will make a vegan butchery

[copper coral]

UHHHH

[winged basalt]

Oh god... cooking pvp... ala iron chef

[copper coral]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fT7yPOTAdQ

BRUH

[oblique nexus]

Depends, I love PvP not a huge when when it get competitive.

[delicate pulsar]

Like the anime shokugeki

[brittle forge]

It's by the same guys who made Craftopia

[winged basalt]

shoku... geki... food wars?

[severe gorge]

or merchant guilds fighting for leaderboard spots

[delicate pulsar]

Yep

[copper coral]

copyright infringment moment

[umbral ferry]

didn't realise craftopia was even done yet

[bright forge]

Hey guys how do you think dungeons will look like? I doubt they will be just normal dungeons like in wow or something.

[winged basalt]

Ok my japanese is horrible at best, get my butt kicked if I went there at worst

[spiral sundial]

hi im new here and this game looks like it will be incredible

[clear prism]

No dungeons early on. So nothing is known

[manic canyon]

@spiral sundialhello

[spiral sundial]

hi

[severe gorge]

hopefully, dungeons would look like something similar to my time at portia

[wind crescent]

Welcome to the hype 🤩

[winged basalt]

we don't even know if there is 'magic' in the game, or if it's got a technological twist

[spiral sundial]

thanks it honestly looks so fun

[copper coral]

Palia but with SMGs and pokémon... lol

[manic canyon]

@spiral sundial Chapaa or Chuu

[delicate pulsar]

Nothing can be speculated either cuz all the lore we know now is subject to change, right?

[umbral ferry]

Hmm artstyle-wise I think Palia looks better

[severe gorge]

im super new, just saw the trailer like 3-4 hours ago

signed up for pre-alpha, hope we all get in

[bright forge]

Dev said they will not be magic I think

[spiral sundial]

sorry im not sure what that means

[rapid ermine]

Wow already 18k members on the discord 😮

[delicate pulsar]

I mean, there's already robot golems, something technical the game must have

[winged basalt]

You say that but I've played a PTU game with a more serious mood, where pokemon were weapons of war... complete with firearms

[umbral ferry]

Why are there animals in tears, on a production line, making ARs

[rapid ermine]

I hope there will be as much players when the game is released

[copper coral]

I dunno, Palworld looks kinda neat imo.

[wind crescent]

I Don’t understand how there can be combat but no deaths or health? It will be interesting to see how this will work 😂

[maiden nymph]

@copper coral i mean it looks interesting, but how do i put it. It seams tries to do everything without having evolved a own personality (?) but maybe the trailer is just bad in showing that.

[winged basalt]

Technically Golem, the jewish golem, was created with magic...

[quasi tulip]

IM DEAD

[clear prism]

They specifically said that they DO plan to dungeons, but NOT early on.