💬│palia-discussions

[mossy mica]

Yep, I'm adulting, as well. I'm going to go cry in the face of capitalism in exchange for money. Take care!

[jolly idol]

Is there an alternative to Twitch that does a similar thing. Not sure Palia should be endorsing Amazon at such times (and I get they probably won't change direction, but a lot of people are mass boycotting them and Meta products right now, especially Canadians)

[hollow crescent]

nah sadly not

[twilit bobcat]

Please make this fair to those who buy collab drink with Madrina. I understand that you want everyone to be able to get the plush, but it sounds unfair if those who actually get collab product and spend real money get plush and after wards there will be another way to get some plush without spending money. At least make those plush different in that case. Bcs it’s truly will not be fair to people who spend money to get item and in the end it will turn out you could get it without buying real product.

[scarlet hazel]

what is a charged refresher tub??

[pallid ferry]

It's the container the mix comes in

[olive carbon]

The new madrinas collaboration is a powdered engery drink this time, not a 'coffee' one

[scarlet hazel]

that's even worse tbh

[hollow crescent]

their getting a different name but i agree it should be a tad different on game, maybe a different shade or size

[scarlet hazel]

the coffee was basically sugar. i dread to think what the energy drink would be, especially those that can't handle that stuff

[twilit bobcat]

But that still is dumb, to make different name for same plush. It’s still unfair, and not logical at all. If they look exactly the same but only have different name it will not change the fact that it’s the same plush. Therefore not fair to players who spend their money for collab product.

If they make it different size and maybe color there will not be any issues at all, but if they on lot change the name and keep plush same it will not be okay.

[hollow crescent]

at least they have it on hold atm xD but like i tell others it’s a “so i want this now and show it off to ppl” or a “am i ok to wait maybe a year for it to appear in game”

[azure delta]

Yeah, it's hard to justify 25 dollars for an item I can get for free and a drink mix that I might not enjoy.

[hollow crescent]

yea i think the name change (cuz i play sky children and seen it mentioned about contracts) is that te item name is specific to the partnership so they can’t just have the same name in the game for others to get. i think s6(from my understanding when wc was here) are looking into it regarding how it’d end up in the game

[pallid ferry]

The big issue with the Collab in-game plush is that it's only available to North America- from what I hear, people in Europe/Asia/Aus aren't able to order it b/c they dont ship overseas.

[twilit bobcat]

Probably depends on country but I ordered coffe last time with chapaa pillow and I live in Europe and it was no problem. Not gonna order now anything with limited plush bcs it looks like it only word ”limited with purchase” but everyone will be able to get it later. Logically doesn’t make sense

[fiery perch]

i actually think it's fine, but only because it's upfront on what it is, and how much caffeine is in it via the description. there isnt much sugar in it, either.

That aside, i just dont like Madrinas as a whole

and what Moose said with the shipping overseas-- that isnt ok

[scarlet hazel]

ive never heard of madrinas at all until the chappa partnership

[twilit bobcat]

I don’t know if people will agree but if you call it limited with purchase from collaboration with anyone in this case Madrinas. It should be in that way limited with only purchase and that should be the way to get that plush.

If they say that you will be able to get plush later in different way, you can’t say that it’s limited with any specific collaboration bcs in that way it’s a lie, that makes people spend money on something that they will later be able to get for free.

If they make different plush for ex same color but different plush, or different color to obtain in another way I don’t think there will be issues at all with this. But if in the end they keep plush the same and only change the name it will be not fair to players who already spend money to get so called ”limited collab plush” that is in the end not limited.

[marsh depot]

They've cornered themselves into a situation where they just can't please everyone at this point. They just shouldn't have tied in game content to IRL purchases in the first place. It would have been a way better deal if they released an exclusive outfit tied to the collab instead of plushies or furniture.

[pallid ferry]

"limited" and "exclusive" are two entirely different things

[marsh depot]

It definitely is bordering on "misleading advertising" though. Which was brought up yesterday too iirc.

[azure delta]

They advertise it as a "Limited time exclusive."

[pallid ferry]

Madrinas is offering the code for a limited time- 6 months.

[twilit bobcat]

Yeah but if they do collab where you can get item form it in game, it should be only obtained through that way, through Madrinas purchase, and not tell people ”buy this but other will get it later another way”

[summer wigeon]

anyone else not able to update palia on steam?

[fiery perch]

Ok, out of that hotpot game so I feel like i can take my time a little with saying what i wanted to earlier 😂

I don't like Madrinas as a whole. I've looked at previous collabs they did with other collabs, but I don't like the quality of the things you get. That aside, apparently the "Chapaa Snuggler" from this one apparently was alright. But I still am not okay with some stuff, cuz they did not say where the coffee beans were from-- not to mention, it was just sugar.

Blahblah about madrinas-- but what bugs me about this, is the fact that they don't ship overseas to a lot of places.

They are advertising the plush as limited time exclusive, and the exclusive part is where it gets confusing for some. Because WC said yesterday, #💬│palia-discussions message , that the plush isn't going to be locked overall. And that makes it feel like it actually isn't exclusive, and is instead, pressuring people to buy the product to get the plush so they dont' miss out.

I already brought that up with WC, however ( #💬│palia-discussions message ), and he did mention that was a good point ... and it sounded like he wants to update that or something? ( #💬│palia-discussions message )

Not saying that helps much or at all, but im at least hoping it gets properly addressed and fixed. Because it's something that just.. isn't ok to be advertised as one thing, but actually ends up not being the case.

[pallid ferry]

For NOW it is exclusively available only through that method. S6 doesn't want players who join next year to NEVER be able to get that item again, bc FOMO

[hexed cloak]

Please no

[marsh depot]

Not like me saying it is going to make them do it 🤷‍♀️

Just let me yell at the clouds at this point

[hexed cloak]

And now with trading no plush can be truly exclusive

[carmine gyro]

6 Months Early Access promo is still exclusive for a time period

[fiery perch]

Sort of.

[twilit bobcat]

Yeah, but from what I saw that developers said, it will be available later under different name without needing to buy specific product, so it’s not making sense

[carmine gyro]

What's not making sense? The site says "limited time exclusive" and the developers confirmed it.

[marsh depot]

Yeah, like Orii explained here from the conversation had with WC yesterday, it's very much not alright and needs to be addressed or fixed. It's just again, a situation where they cornered themselves by trying to appease both sides, but it's obviously backfired.

[hexed cloak]

"Timed exclusive" is a better term, but I'm glad they're cutting back on FOMO

[pallid ferry]

If they don't plan on making it available until after the collab ends, they won't be allowed to use the trademark name on more items. So they will have to rename any more that are introduced to the game.

[twilit bobcat]

Developers said also, form what I’ve seen in discussions that the plush will be later available for other plates under different name so no one misses out. That’s the part that didn’t make sense, that exact same plush will be available through different way for other plates but it will have different name.

[hollow crescent]

yea i get it, ffxiv did this with their butterfingers partnership, only able to get a mount in game if you collected the amount needed, then they have it appear as a twitch reward 3+? years later (WoW did this with a reading card only mount them it was a twitch reward too, their also bring stuff to the reading post they have that you can’t normally get in game) some ppl felt the same as you, personally i think it was ok after such a long time but i understand the feeling especially with the words “exclusive”

[fiery perch]

It's the word "exclusive" that makes it difficult. Because it makes people, myself included, believe it's tied to that specific product/way to obtain it.

If they mean that you only get it early, then yeah might be more words, but clarify that. Mention something, "Get it early before it goes into the game!" or something similar. That way it's 100% clear on the intention.

Instead of it feeling like, you have to get this product to get it. It might pressure people into spending money to get the product they don't want, to get the plush, in fear that they will not be able to get it any other way.

[marsh depot]

It just makes it a bit ironic to me, going back to WC's statement of "if people can avoid spending, they will" (paraphrasing here). Because in this situation players could simply just, not purchase the colab and wait until the plushie gets released for everyone, if they really only care about the plushie.

[fiery perch]

It's also why I talked to WC in discussions yesterday about this, because the wording was strange, and I needed to have it clarified for myself, and I'm sure I wasn't alone with that. It doesn't hurt to have clarification on something, to make sure people understand.

It's also why I was glad it got pinned via sixer-tracker, because of this reason lol

[azure delta]

Honestly I just feel bad for the people who don't read the discord and buy the collab without being informed they can get it later for free.

[hollow crescent]

the different name would be because of contact stuff, what it is now is only with the coffee company, the ingame one wouldn’t be tied to it

[marsh depot]

This too. Like I told WC yesterday, they need to start making official statements across all platforms because not all players are present on this discord, let alone this thread.

[hollow crescent]

kinda how i was when i seen you can get the ffxiv mount on twitch “oh cool it’s there!” but some ppl didn’t like it

[lime granite]

There's an alarming amount of information that only seems to make it to the discord that is important/vital info for the playerbase as a whole

[hollow crescent]

i mean some of it we only know because other players question it when a dev walks in here

[twilit bobcat]

Yeah I get it, if it passes longer time and they will make it twitch drop okay. But just the point of fair between players will be lost since a lot of people who already ordered or will order it will be spending money on it, only for the plush to appear later in game with same appearance but different name. Just doesn’t feel fair to smek people this way spend money on something that will be later anyways in game. If it makes sense

[hollow crescent]

yea i got it

[fiery perch]

Speaking of, I hope Madrinas is actually sending valid in-game codes now for the Chapaa Pillow.

[carmine gyro]

I bought the Chapaa Pillow but i personally hope it does go public some day. Like through another Twitch Drop

[hollow crescent]

that’s why i was thinking if it was a different size maybe in game then it’d be better. cuz playing sky children they do collab events and the “cool items” are real money and once the event is over their gone and there’s event items players can get at any time even if their new players

[ivory vessel]

[azure delta]

But they run into the same issue against log in reward plushies. Nox and Sandi have never made a return and they do have the exclusive lighthouse items for the founders. It seems weird to switch it up with a paid collab.

[twilit bobcat]

Yeah exactly, like with frogs or beez different sizes. You can get through collab one size ”exclusive time limited” and if they later release same plush but in different size I don’t think there will be the problem with how fair it is with all the players.

Bcs they still need to keep it fair with those people who actually spend their money on it, or otherwise it feels more like ”milk the money” and give same for all later.

Just they way developers said it wast exactly right tbh, keep same plush but change name, and I get it ofc they will need to change name bcs it will lot be collab anymore, but they probably will meet to change like size or color a bit to make it different and fair for those who bought previous product.

[hollow crescent]

also realized this is kind of fomo… idk

[neat schooner]

I have a question.. I'm placing those wooden floor's you can craft, on the grass of my plot.. why is the grass seethrough.. like its peaking out of my floor..any way to hide it??

[hard basin]

There are two types of placement

• Directly to the ground will clear the grass area around that build block
• Connected to another builder block side by side won't clear it
  (I'm saying this from memory - fix me if I'm wrong )

[neat schooner]

I'll try it ty!

[neat schooner]

You're right thank you so much !

[modest merlin]

Soo... which season is it suppose to be exactly?

[modest merlin]

How much more crowded is this gunna get?

[umbral lynx]

We hear you like currency so we gave you currency for your currency
Bag clutter, when they could give us real clutter item instead

[hard basin]

Aw shoo, my colour doesn't match

[haughty rover]

At least we aren't on world of Warcraft levels of currency

[umbral lynx]

Do not tempt them

[umbral lynx]

I'm still haunted by that

[stuck oar]

Just gona leave this here in case anyone needs feedback inspo

Which area out of the following would you like to provide feedback on?

Game Events (Maji Market)

Please describe your feedback in 5 words or less:

Please sell luna stamp rewards

Please expand on your feedback below.
Please add the Luna stamp rewards to the stands so that players can purchase them in multiple - the same way that the Maji-Market Classic had it.

In that once you completed the achievement - you could them purchase more of them. It was an amazing addition that the Maji-Market Classic had. & is sorely missing from the Luna Maji Market.

Thank you

{I submitted a separate one requesting the addition of the New Year Candy-Box - since that's a quest reward}

[warm python]

Oh god it really is starting to look like a gacha game lmao

[umbral lynx]

I'll be stealing this thank you

[hexed cloak]

Wait, I can't get it since I did the quest last year?

[marsh depot]

Not even some gacha games look this crowded ngl

[stuck oar]

That is correct yes, if you completed the quest last year. Then you received the 1 of that item you will ever get on that character.

[snow remnant]

So I was weak and broke my strike on Palia to get the Serenity Falls scenery. Now I want my money back. All pretty but it is a joke that you cannot get anywhere outside of the plot limit. I thought S6 finally understood when the Aurora's had plenty of spaces to explore. I was trying to get to the bridge on the left side facing the plot and it was not possible, then I thought well, at least i can reach to the sitting spaces high at the end of the plot but guess what, neither! Mr. Crab: What is the use of the different sceneries if they are not explorable? For pretty backgrounds, I have my desktop wallpaper, I did not need to spend $16 on something unplayable. :/

[hollow crescent]

what!

[slow olive]

Can you decorate outside of the main rectangle space on the premium plots? I really want one but they all just have so much empty space around. It's a shame

[hexed cloak]

Using the building block trick you can build out of bounds. I've seen floating ships on the gales landscape

[slow olive]

I've not looked into this properly. I haven't played for a good few months so loads of new stuff I need to investigate. Thanks

[hexed cloak]

YouTube is your friend. You can build out of bounds even on the free plot. Though one thing to keep in mind is that it is not official functionality, just something players found you can do

[stuck oar]

Aye - tis why I'm expanding my tiny army of alts

[hexed cloak]

But you can't trade non-plushies anyway

[wispy lance]

What item are u talking about?

[wispy lance]

Oh!!! Yeah we got 1 last year.

Do players get more now?

[stuck oar]

(#💬│palia-discussions message)

[hexed cloak]

Only if you didn't get one last year.

[wispy lance]

Yeah I saw that. I was a bit confused because we could never refresh the stamp rewards

Unless I don't remember....

The wish tree was also quest reward if I recall.
I didn't see it at any stalls being sold either

Or was it a stamp reward. I haven't looked properly in all stamps rewards 😅

[hollow crescent]

some ppl got lucky with 2 cuz of a bug then iiirc they gave it as a log in reward

[stuck oar]

it wasn't - it was the reward for making subsequent wishes at the tree

[wispy lance]

Yeah, I have 2 💜

[hollow crescent]

same their cute

[stuck oar]

& then after the debacle with the promotional picture - they decided to give it out via log in reward

[olive carbon]

First one was a market reward, second one was a login reward as a consolation for Zekis taiyaki not being able to be starred when purchasing from Zekis stall iirc

[umbral lynx]

Buy more plots... But you'll only get some decor once.... Good luck

[olive carbon]

Aw. Consolation rewards. Remember those?

[hollow crescent]

yea but i know of a few who logged in and got it, same with the banner

[stuck oar]

right right - how could I forget about the hekkin Taiyaki - the hotpot take out also couldn't roll starred

[olive carbon]

Do you mean you know people with three wish trees?

[wispy lance]

Sometimes "lucky glitches" happen and people get doubles

[hollow crescent]

idk if their still in the discord since last luna but yea

cuz it happened before the consolation tree

[olive carbon]

That's a fun glitch! Finally, a good one!

[hollow crescent]

but it didn’t happen to me so

[hexed cloak]

I also have 2
Will have 3 soon since it's one of the stamp rewards

[hollow crescent]

is it same color 👀

[olive carbon]

Better than getting duplicates of the trophies three times which is more annoying than convenient lol

[hexed cloak]

I think it's the same tree

[wispy lance]

I like to shove trophies in bookshelf's with books. I would like extras.

[hexed cloak]

If you want another tree, get to making those wishes since it's 1 per irl day!

[vagrant path]

white screen of death get fixed yet or is that still on the table.

[hollow crescent]

already on it

[wispy lance]

I did 2 wishes today. Idk why I had 2 wishes lol

[hexed cloak]

For 2 days

[hollow crescent]

no it’s still happens but the S6 are now prioritizing it finally

[wispy lance]

I didn't play yesterday

[hexed cloak]

I saw u in the friend list for a moment

[hollow crescent]

i wonder if it will accumulate if offline

[vagrant path]

thats good hopefully they'll find out i have my ideas but wont go there.

[wispy lance]

I did log in yes.

Maybe got the mail because I logged in

[hollow crescent]

!feedback if you want you can try to
let them know what you might think the issues are and they can test them out

[opal cypress]

Feedback & Suggestions

Looking for where to share your game feedback & suggestions for Palia?

• To share feedback directly with the team: https://palia.info/feedback
• To discuss issues with other players: #🦋│issues-discussions
• To read the latest Dev Updates: https://palia.com/news
• For bug reports, contact: https://support.palia.com

[vagrant path]

its been a while for me being on but have they at least expanded the map and added more maps. i got boared a bit with the 2 they had early beta process.

[hollow crescent]

not yet, elderwoods is their next area(s?) but dunno when it is except “sometime early this year”

so could be before june sometime

[runic eagle]

Yeah sometime in Q2 of the year https://www.palia.com/news/mini-dev-blog-zlc

[stuck oar]

Can't trade non-plushies...

yet

[hollow crescent]

don’t get my hopes up up

[stuck oar]

{Sung in the style of "let's all go to the lobby"}
🎶 Let's all go to the feedback form 🎶 Let's all go to the feedback form 🎶 Let's all go to the feedback form 🎶 & Remember to be constructive🎶

Because remember, you don't need to be positive in your feedback - but being constructive in your criticism can make a world of difference.

[dry swift]

Have a nice weekend everybody! Don't forget to drink plenty of water to offset the salt of this thread!

[umbral lynx]

Opens to a tiny dragon singing

[umbral lynx]

Also without promoting gamba... Who wants to bet my settings have been reset again when I get home
Anyone who might not of logged on the patch yet... Be careful

I got me a snazzy program that fixes things since we have some games out there they do be bright lights and flashy as a legitimate mechanic

Looking at you raids in ff.... You know what you did

I got alot of re writing to do though and gotta somehow grab videos and images for feedback

Ahaha jokes on you I'm getting food tomorrow! Means outside freedom

[weak wigeon]

I got it and i gave one to a friend cause we can't get it in Spain and she was one of my 1st friends i made ingame, she was so happy 🥲

i'm thinking of trading my other pillows (palcat and muujin) too cause i have enough with one of each

[last tide]

I can't send messages in exchanges

[celest maple]

If you are talking about trading channel, read pinned message there

[marsh depot]

Back reading but your Momo pfp made this all the more funnier (I sincerely hope you get a refund though)

[weak wigeon]

have they changed farming?? I thought after a certain level you were supposed to get everything starred

[fiery perch]

should alwys have starred crops after lvl.. 20? I think it is

I dont think that's changed?

[weak wigeon]

hmmm

I wasn't even using non-starred seeds

Do you get vegetables when you make seeds by any chance? Sounds weird but idk where those came from LOL

[lyric night]

u got them from an achievement, the "collect all potato pods" one

[umbral lynx]

have you gotten all the pods

[weak wigeon]

OH LMAOO i was literally gonna ask that too

well im sorry for them but they're going in the selling bin haha :c

i didnt get any achievement popping so i got confused haha

[rare pine]

About to boot up the game for the first time since the update. Anything I should know?

[pulsar meteor]

i believe it's one step at 25 and all star at 50, but that was a year and change ago for me

[fiery perch]

i get all starred stuff and i dont have 50 gardening, am at 42. im sure someone in #🌱│gardening will have a better answer tho!

[rare pine]

I've been server hopping a bit and it's kinda slow for a friday night.

I remember playing during lunar new year last year and it was pretty active

[scarlet hazel]

with how this was again, a nothing burger update, not many came back it seems

[rare pine]

The server I just popped into only has 1 full hotpot table

[celest narwhal]

I'm a little upset about being mislead into purchasing this madrinas product for an exclusive item that isn't actually exclusive. Is there somewhere I can go to get this addressed, or do I just need to try to get a refund? The order was shipped super quickly, which is normally a good thing, except in this case where people are being misled into purchasing it... Sorry if this isn't the right channel, I wasn't sure where to ask.

[rare pine]

There's another madrinas tie-in?

[olive carbon]

Madrinas support for refunds and such yes

[rare pine]

I saw the maji plush but not the coffee again

[celest narwhal]

Yes. We were led to believe this was another exclusive in game item, so I spent money on it. And it comes out later they intend to release it to everyone later.

[rare pine]

Oh... so it's a timed exclusive

[scarlet hazel]

yeah. 6 months is the timeline

[celest narwhal]

I'm not really sure I consider something exclusive if they intend to release the same exact plush under a different name later.

[scarlet hazel]

yeah. this isnt how you do paid and f2p items lol

[cobalt smelt]

Are there any new quests? Since the last storyline update

[scarlet hazel]

no. only new years stuff if u never did it before

[cobalt smelt]

Dang

[scarlet hazel]

but other then that, nope. the end of the protologue is still the last main quest around

[cobalt smelt]

Alrighty. Thank you for answering my question:)

[south hornet]

If this isn't the place to ask this I will remove it!
Okay so I linked my ex husband's steam account to my account when I started playing a year and a half ago. I have no contact with him anymore for safety reasons... Is there a way I can get his account unlinked so I can link mine to it?? 🙏😭

[scarlet hazel]

i think account links are perm. support might help? but im not sure

[hollow crescent]

!support yea contact them

[opal cypress]

Here's a link to the Player Support: http://support.palia.com/

[south hornet]

Thank you !

[barren wyvern]

Hey all! I don't have permission to send messages in the #🤝│trading channel - is there a way to get this resolved by any chance?

[hollow crescent]

you need to react to the first post i think

#🤝│trading message this

[barren wyvern]

That was it - thank you!

[scarlet hazel]

the maji plush looks so bright to me. why

[polar elbow]

I think, if they want to go for this angle in the future, they should make the two versions similar, but with still-visible differences. For example, the item code one being called something like "collector's edition maji plush" and come with a tag attached to the plush + a ribbon tied around its neck or something, while the earnable version added later is the same plush but without the "extras".
So if you just want -any- purple dragon plush, you can get one whether you buy the madrinas stuff or not, but the option is there for collectors to go for the fancy exclusive version if they want it.

but having them look exactly the same upsets people who want to show off the earned version because others might assume they bought it
while people who want to show off the bought version will only be disappointed because the "exclusiveness" they paid for might as well not exist.

Hmmmm, what was it they said in the monetization blog again...?

"....if you can’t buy the things you earn, it also means you won’t be able to earn the things you can buy."

Making a plush that for all intents and purposes can be both bought and earned with no means of telling the two versions apart kind of goes against that, doesn't it 🤔

[rare pine]

Yeah.... it's just a timed exclusive. Which doesn't really mean much in a live service game.

They could've even made the paid one larger.

[pallid ferry]

I would 100000% not be mad if the later released one is the size of the current mini dragon plush, to further denote the difference between the Madri verson and the Lucky Ball one.

I feel like THAT would be a super reasonable compromise

[fiery perch]

i just wish they were more clear on the fact it's just "getting the plush early".

[pallid ferry]

Yeah, a name change isn't that big of a deal.

[marsh depot]

Remember they did this before already too, with the leapfroggy outfit.

[grizzled mist]

promotional items always end up in a grey area, neither completely bought or earned, so they can still skate by on the technicality of it all. The froggy outfit was promotional before it could be purchased. But it technically wasn't earned by in game efforts. I think that's the distinction they're leaning on.

[marsh depot]

I get that, but it's still very much scummy and they also said something along the lines of "nothing that is free will be made purchaseable". I know someone here has quoted it before, but it was still an odd choice to make a promotional outfit that was available for a limited period, a purchase.

[fiery perch]

i will forever be sad by the froggy outfit & bucket.

[grizzled mist]

Someone at some point said there would be a way to obtain those chapaa cushions down the line, and now I suspect that way was the plushie trading system.

[marsh depot]

Honestly same.

[grizzled mist]

I was fortunate enough to get the bucket but didn't own a switch and couldn't get the outfit

[fiery perch]

i just didnt realize or know they were limited time :/

[grizzled mist]

I hope at some point they give us the green one

Until then I'm just going to hug my palcat plushies and be grateful I was in early for all of this

[tribal field]

I’ve read every villagers hanging wishes but I can’t find one for zeki, najuma or hodari. Am I just missing it?

[somber crag]

Hoy, small fries.

[grizzled mist]

2 of those exist. The other is part of a quest. I'm on a different keyboard so I don't know where my spoiler bars are right now! 😆

[brisk spruce]

||
I don't remember where they are, take these

[grizzled mist]

I got a new one as a gift and I absolutely love it, but it's a US layout and my pc is set to UK. It's scratching a weird puzzle-solving itch, but also some keys are completely missing

[warm python]

who are you calling small!!!!

(me. i'm 5'1".)

[pulsar meteor]

we have a pound key! it just looks like #

[somber crag]

I'm towering over you at 5'10. How's the weather down there?!

HAH.

slaps knee.

[warm python]

[somber crag]

Being tall ain't everything, PROMISE. I am called a tree or Amazonian woman (not horrible ) depending on the day.
Rejoice in your small stature. YOU'RE PERFECT.

[grizzled mist]

That's on both, just in different locations! 😆

I might have to concede and switch my settings to freedom keys

[somber crag]

Not freedom keys, LOL.

[grizzled mist]

It's the only way to censor my spoilers! That's not commentary, just utility!

I don't make the rules!

[fiery perch]

[grizzled mist]

Speak up! We can't hear you from that far away!

[somber crag]

[rain stump]

haha I thought I was the only one who said that

[somber crag]

My partner asked me how the Zeki coin thing worked earlier and I went:

[olive carbon]

[rain stump]

it is! Mine is 5'2 - 5'3 on a good day

[fiery perch]

accurate/valid reaction and response ngl

[somber crag]

Me, "Well you... you buy some coins... then you log in every day, but you don't HAVE to.. it can be every two days max... up to this many days.. and..."

"And... "

[fiery perch]

"and the value isnt great."

[somber crag]

It's worth mentioning that I am not a gacha game player, so this whole system is new to me.

[fiery perch]

Yeah. This is def more of a gacha-type system. i haven't seen it in any other game, that i can think of

ah well, hotpot time

[somber crag]

Maybe the pot be ever in your favor.

[fiery perch]

thank u, @marsh depot has taught me the ways and helped me properly understand it more

[vivid oar]

Isnt it essentially: u buy $5 worth of coins and then every day you log in after that for 30 days you get 30 free coins?

[fiery perch]

yes, and it ends up being around 1325 in the end of it. i know it's technically more than what you normally get, but it still doesn't... feel like it's much value when I compare it to the same system in other games. .. plus when i look at the price of cosmetics

[not saying it isnt 'worth' it, esp if you play everyday. just the value def doesnt seem right to me, personally!]

[brisk spruce]

it's definitely lower in $ value than in most gacha games for the same system, but in most gacha games you're also going to get a lot of things you dont want while spending that money.

then again, that's kinda true for a lot of us in Palia too because we can't buy individual pieces of outfits. maybe if we were able to buy just the hat, or just the pants, etc from Palia's outfits it might feel more "worth" it to more people who are on the fence

[grizzled mist]

Did you learn the differences in gameplay rewards for the LNY hotpot?

[vivid oar]

You get the 425 for the same price as normal thought right? So even if you only log in like 3 days out of the 30 you are still getting more? Or is the initial 425 you buy MORE than $5 you normally pay?

Not saying its good or bad, just trying to work it out hahaa

[fiery perch]

yeah, no matter what youre getting 425. any 30 after that is just 'extra'.

so even if you login 1 day, within that 30 day period, you are still technically getting more, yes

[pulsar meteor]

it's the same as the flat 425 coin bundle, yes. if you never log in after buying it, you haven't technically lost anything

[grizzled mist]

My understanding is it would be just like buying the shop currency normally, except you then have the option to earn more for logging in over the next 30 days

[pulsar meteor]

just that if you're diligent about the logins you can get ~$8 in bonus coins, so it's hopefully more enticing to folks who were hesitant to spend at all. (and personally it sounds like a hassle, i'd rather just buy the $20 bundle, but not everyone's in the same spot)

[vivid oar]

I kept thinking that couldnt possibly be right because it seemed too good to be true lmao, I was sure the loyalty would cos more than the 425 normally to try to dupe you out of money

It seems like a good thing no? D: Are people uinhappy with it?

[grizzled mist]

There's a one day margin for error on logins so you could skip every other day if I correctly understood what WC confirmed yesterday

[fiery perch]

i'll try to explain better with what i mean, after hotpot. with how i feel about the Zeki Coin program thing

[vivid oar]

Hahaa grind that hotpot!

[grizzled mist]

I think the concerns are more about establishing this type of transaction and what that might lead to. The slippery slope of it all.

[pulsar meteor]

i dunno if 'unhappy' is the right word, though there's a lot of ill will right now that comes up with any of their new promotions. some folks do feel that it's too manipulative, both towards pushing the sale and driving player login/ engagement, but personally it feels like they're trying to not get too shady with marketing gimmicks

[fiery perch]

i am trying i want to get starred food in case i want to decorate again

[grizzled mist]

It's not like they don't get anything out of the deal. This drives up the engagement numbers pretty unapologetically.

But it does feel a little strange to pay for the privilage

[brisk spruce]

some of the "unhappiness" (also not sure if it's the right word) also comes from people just being bored/not having enough content to bother logging in for, so it feels to those people like they're being farmed for engagement. which... they technically are

[vivid oar]

It seems like a positive for both sides, people will less money can get more coins by just logging on and they get players online. Maybe Im thinking about it to optimistically though D:

[pulsar meteor]

no i think that's a totally fair take. everyone's going to see it through the lens of their own situation, and it's apparently a common monetization approach in the Gacha-style games

[brisk spruce]

extremely common. that's my biggest gripe with it personally. not a fan of gacha game tactics making their way into other games, I avoid playing gacha games for a reason.

[vivid oar]

Like daily login rewards?

[fiery perch]

Ok, hotpot is over, won 2..? or 3? times. (i have 4 coins, but i think i got 1 or 2 from spending tickets). ... ok, onwards to typing

[grizzled mist]

That's the part of it that will never sit right with me. Login rewards are big FOMO and this game was big on no FOMO as a core value throughout the years of development. But also I work multiple 24 hour shifts every week, which leaves me out of way too much in this game already. I am a filthy casual.

[fiery perch]

[It's huge ramble/paragraph with what i typed, so im trying to trim it down so it isnt a huge like prologue 😭 ]

[vivid oar]

Incentives to log are good though no? As long as you dont miss out on anything that cant be got by other means. You only have to log on for a second, you dont have to do anything that takes time. (These are just thoughts on the whole topic, not picking sides or dismissing peoples feelings, please no one eat me)

[fiery perch]

I'm not unhappy or whatever with it-- moreso just conflicted overall! I think the concept and idea was good, and I'm glad it's an option overall, but I think the execution could of been done a bit better.

The value doesn't feel right, when I compare it with 1325 fully [below $15 usd value at least], and 30coins a day-- Most outfits are above that [I know, not all, including pets], but ... okay, there's also an outfit they also are putting for a sale soon, the Slyph [2550], 33% off still makes it around 1708.5. That still is a bit much.

I also compare it to Star rails, which is the same price, and the value is $40 usd. I can also get 15-16 pulls from that, to try to get a character i may need, materials, etc. Something that feels more like it's valuing and thinking about the time I put into the game itself.

That's my main issue. I don't feel like my time is valued with it or properly compensated. I think it's a good start! And i'm glad it's an option. And it is def worth for people who are already playing everyday! But as a way to give an incentive for more people to login and play? Not really imho.

And like Kali said earlier, the fact it's full outfits & not just pieces makes it really rough and difficult.

Best way I could trim it down. what i had before was so lorge 😭

[brisk spruce]

imo logging on with nothing to do feels more like a waste of time than anything tbh
like right now we have the new LNY stuff, but a lot of it isn't actually new. so for those of us who participated last year not everyone will be playing for the whole month. and then it just feels like you're being forced to log in for no actual reason other than to not waste money

[earnest hare]

I got another blank wish ribbon in the mail? is it normal?

[vivid oar]

But you are logging in for free currency :D You arent wasting money by not logging in

Catering ONLY to casual players by never having things like daily login rewards would be just as bad as catering only to hardcore players by say having a daily login reward that was streak based and as soon as u miss a single day it cancels itself. This is a nice middle ground, you get rewarded for being a hardcore everydayer and also for dropping in when you can with no penalty?

[grizzled mist]

It's less about incentivising and more about a series of issues really boiling over. It's hard to sum it up, but a lot of promises have been broken over the last few years, and the more this starts to look and feel like other business models people have bad experiences with, the worse morale is going to get. Add to that the breakdown of communication that's left the playerbase feeling unheard and ignored after supporting the team and the game for years, and it tends to leave people justifiably upset.

[fiery perch]

Also, if i'm going by this... it's saying the value per coin is .. 0.01174. If i multiplied that by 30 (since we'd get 30 each day) ... it's not even a dollar. It just makes my time feel like it isnt worth much. again, that's for how I feel personally.

I just like when my time feels valued, and it just doesnt feel like it

[lyric night]

u get one every real life day at daily reset
(4am utc)

[brisk spruce]

you should get one per day iirc

[earnest hare]

ohh cool! thanks

[vivid oar]

I really think the prices of the cosmetics are a little... too much. It also drives me crazy you cant buy specific parts

[grizzled mist]

I don't think I could possibly agree more

[brisk spruce]

okay let's put it this way. some people are going to only buy the 30 day pass because to them it's not worth the price for any other option. some people make little money, and some country's conversions are ridiculously high. for those people, it's not "free" currency. it's what they paid for. that forces them to feel like they need to log in for all of it

[fiery perch]

I can't help but compare it to Star Rail again [bc it's what im more familiar with]. But they have, like i said, similar thing. You get 300 Shards when you first get it, and then 90 Jades [which is basically 1 shard... 1 shard=1 jade] each day.

And 60 shards is worth $1 usd. .. so that already feels like my time is at least thought of a bit more. I hope im explaining this right and it makes sense

I just find it really important to think about ppls time. No matter what it is

[fiery perch]

It definitely is imo. It'd be better if the pieces were separate for sure

also, unrelated, but the starred food collection begins. slowly.

[brisk spruce]

I actually think Palia's currency would feel more worth it to me (in general) if you could buy individual pieces. I'm not spending tens of dollars buying a set for a single piece I want.

[grizzled mist]

Get 'em all Valk!

[fiery perch]

I will have too many but better to have too many than not enough, if i ever do end up wanting to decorate again in the future

Still sad that they got rid of the optino to buy the food with gold tho and it's only tickets :/

[fiery perch]

It definitely would help, yeah

[vivid oar]

not to encourage them to add MORE things to the cash shop but i really wish the things like the kill shot animations werent tied to outfits/tool skins and you could just buy them outright >:(

grumble grumble

[grizzled mist]

Always struggling to make us grind. Before it was gold. Now it's tickets. Grind, little monkies! Grind like the wind!

[fiery perch]

I wouldn't mind just grinding for gold. i mean, after LNY, i end up shooting sernuk for a while anyways. it isnt much gold, but any little bit helps

Roan

[loud axle]

I still think it's just another band-aid fix instead of addressing the actual concerns most of us actually have.

Namely, there is very little in the game to work towards and incentive playing to actually want to spend any money in the first place.

[marsh depot]

You know how much I regret not grinding for gold during the first Maji Market and getting more of those bloom lanterns and sakura vases (if only they weren't currently broken though)

[loud axle]

Asking for content and achievement-based gameplay and then getting a "here's basically a Battlepass that just gives you a tiny bit of coins each day" is kind of insulting.

[grizzled mist]

I might never have tried a cake party if it weren't for that first market. Total costs were more than the gold cap! And we all pulled together to figure out how to get through it together! When they nerfed cakes they realised they couldn't nerf it as much as they wanted because of how ingredient values work, so of course we're stuck grinding tickets now. I keep wondering if that's why they unfixed the chapaa chase too.

[loud axle]

When we say we need reasons to log on every day... We don't mean being forced to log in just to collect some coins.

[vivid oar]

They unfixed the chappachase?!

[loud axle]

It wouldn't and shouldn't feel like a grind for gold if the game actually had enough content for players to naturally work their way through. 🤷‍♂️

[marsh depot]

Just giving in my two cents before I go to sleep, but Infinity Nikki (whom WC quoted himself when talking about the Loyalty Club) just launched their LNY event and their diamond pass is A LOT more worth it than Palia's future Loyalty Club. I haven't made the exact math yet, but just from purchasing this pass during this event, you're also able to obtain an outfit for just 1 mere diamond (en earnable in game currency already), aside from just a bunch of free outfits and rewards the game is already giving players. It definitely feels worth both my time and my money.

[vivid oar]

Rememeber the very first few chappachases?.... that was a time 😂

[marsh depot]

Yup. Pretty disappointing. Its back to being a spawn camping battle.

[fiery perch]

"Change can be scary, especially when it’s perceived as nerfs."

[sorry you reminded me of this again and it still just at times with how it's worded.]

Cake parties were nice, but i didnt even care about the gold too much. i just liked the community that I was hanging with and people I were chatting with during. I mean, the gold was nice. it felt like it made my time worth something, but yeah. idk. i just

this all just comes back to: I want my time to be valued lol

[loud axle]

Game shouldn't have launched without at least another two areas. Should have made Kilima Village its own map and had Kilima Valley and Bahari Bay be its two adventure zones, then players move into Harvest Fields for the town of Harvest Meadows which leads into the Elderwoods.

[grizzled mist]

We got them to adjust the spawn rates back in the day because we collectively decided we would rather work together than play another game where it was every player for themselves. But then they went in, redid the hill on the chapaa chase side for no reason I can think of, which cause lots of the spawns to vanish under the terrain, then they lowered the spawn rate again.

[vivid oar]

Individual coins too right?

[fiery perch]

you get 15 tickets per one you turn in, then there's more you can get as a group effort.

But i struggle to just get 1 chapaa sometimes.

[marsh depot]

I'm not entirely sure what you're referring to here but they give tickets now, which also weren't being counted towards properly during pop a chapaa, the new mini game.

[grizzled mist]

And then there's the desync

[vivid oar]

When chappa chase first came out you only got tickets for how many you caught not the group right? Or am I totally misremembering. I just remember the first few days of it where chaos in the discord lmao

[marsh depot]

The Maji Market rework sounded so good in paper but after seeing how watered down it became, it really ended up killing my enthusiasm for the game, and so did it for many of my friends who were actively playing before.

Aside from, the snowball and white screen issues.

[fiery perch]

i know you already know this, but, as always, i agree with you and your feedback

[marsh depot]

I honestly can't remember because I was told it was not worth it, and I only started playing it after they fixed it.

[fiery perch]

yes. it was full on competitive.

so i am glad it's more of a group thing now. but the chapaa spawns are atrocious.

[vivid oar]

Hahaa ok, I thought I was having a fever dream for a sec

[fiery perch]

esp considering... this. there is no way this is possible imho. at least not for me.

[grizzled mist]

Overall what's really affected my desire to play is burnout. Too much grind. Too many Twitch drops. Too many login rewards. Too much rng. Too much of being forced to do certain things in a game that promised me I could play how I wanted and relax. I shouldn't feel like my cozy game is my other job.

[vivid oar]

Wait till its died down a bit maybe, then late at night =_= then party with me and I will chase all the chappas towards you like a sheep dog

[fiery perch]

oh, even when there's little to no people, it feels like there's barely any chapaas for me 😭

[grizzled mist]

No way it's happening unless they raise the spawn rate

[grizzled mist]

the spawns scale 😒

[fiery perch]

I think this is exactly it, you know. Some areas it does feel like a chore or a job for some. Having to make sure you clock in [login] each time and this and that. I don't midn grinding and stuff, but like .. Gestures time is valuable

like, i enjoy grinding in games. i love idle games and the like. I play WoW Classic. but. yeah.

[marsh depot]

The RNG is definitely another factor. I play games with RNG drops (Terraria, OSRS, Stardew - though that one's a different case) but in Palia it only ever felt like an unnecessary grind. Specially when, they are tied to activities you're not really a fan of. And don't get me started on the RNG Wheel of the underground. We already got enough ingredients and fireworks with Zeki's coins, why add another borked system?

[grizzled mist]

i happily grind in other games. The balance is off here.

[vivid oar]

you play wow.... classic?! OK ALL YOUR OPINIONS ARE INVALID! MADPERSON!

[fiery perch]

[marsh depot]

It's certainly not very.... cosy

[grizzled mist]

Oh. Oh you don't want seeds? You don't want unstarred seeds? Well this comes as a complete shock!

[fiery perch]

Honestly, WoW classic has felt so nice. The fact each level and the journey feels like it matters, makes me happy. Just feels like I'm working towards something and progressing towards something! which is what i always look for in other games!

[marsh depot]

Remember they also said "with everyone's favorites"? As if we can't just... Purchase ingredients?

[grizzled mist]

Guess how many plushies that thing has given me over the last year? Wild guess.

[tired glen]

I just want to say my piece here and I apologize if it somehow offend anyone beforehand

While I understand why the comparison is with HSR, Infinity Nikki and such since they offer similar program as Zeki's Loyalty program.. I feel like they are totally different thing as those 2 examples are gacha games.. and Palia is not (but I do agree cosmetic pricing in Palia is not cheap either, and we haven't see how the thursday sale will be like, so I will say whether its improving or not after its out).
Another thing is that both HSR and Infinity Nikki are games that also accessible with mobile platform so they are made with activities that can be done a lot more often (not saying Palia doesnt have it, but the reality is not everyone can sit on their PC or Nintendo Switch and play while commuting or at the break from work/school as easily) which is why i feel why some of the opinion earlier said that their pricing offer a lot more..

Palia devs are trying is a step that i feel like we should all be happy about, its not ideal and they at least still gonna try to refine it further, lets just be positive about it.. Zeki's Loyalty Program at least for me has been a window to make cosmetic more affordable for me as intended by the devs.

[grizzled mist]

I take bigger issue with accessibility and safety concerns being mismanaged than I do with an experimental rewards programme. That will always be where my bark turns to bite.

[marsh depot]

I'm gonna go with... None. Which is also what I've gotten.

[fiery perch]

I mentioned that I think it's a good start, but the value is off. I'm going to compare it to HSR and Infinity Nikki, esp since WC did it himself. This mechanic, the Loyalty Program, is something that is usually in Gacha games. I don't know any others who have the same, that isn't a gacha game.

Yes, those are also on mobile platform, and yes, it can be things done a lot more often... but that's my point as well, with time is valuable. You have to login to get the 30 days at least once every 2 days! That is also a good point that I didn't properly think about. Because yeah, not everybody can login, etc!

Again, I think it's a good start, and I'm glad it's an option for people. I just like my time valued, and i just don't feel like it does that, personally! Again, good start, and I am glad it's there for people. I just have my own other thoughts on it, too, at the same time!

And to clarify, no offense taken or anything, just wanting to clarify on some stuff that I said earlier!

And the patch notes mentioned the sale was going to be on the Sylph outfit, which is normally 2550, and it will be 33% off. That's why I also, [at least I think I did?] bring that up earlier as a comparison, too!

Actually, maybe the patch notes didn't say it. But the blog they made did lol

[brisk spruce]

I fundamentally can't agree with adding gacha monetary tactics to non-gacha games tbh. I know people have been super negative lately but telling everyone "lets just be positive about it" fixes absolutely nothing about reality or how we feel about these things.

[vivid oar]

It makes my shrivelled little heart so happy when people can talk and disagree and NOT try to rip each other to pieces and start a war. Its nice in here today

[fiery perch]

I always try my best, esp cuz I do like discussing these things. People always might have a different perspective that I might not of considered before, and vice versa.

[brisk spruce]

also for the sake of spreading some positivity THANK YOU for fixing the snowballs. I wish it had happened last year, but at this point I'm glad it's happened at all.

positivity from me ^ I mean lol I am a ball of negativity atm, I know that

[fiery perch]

WC also took note about my suggestion, with the Photosensitivity warning on the trailer, to put it at the beginning with a black/dark background first, instead of on the actual flashy bits!

I'm glad it was there at all, but im also so happy that WC took note of that, too. So I'm hoping with future trailers, it'll have that more often.

[grizzled mist]

Discussion is discussy today and I love it 💙

[tired glen]

oh im not trying to make anyone agree or "lets be positive" about anything.. as i mentioned there that, thanks ValkOrii to acknowledge, Palia does have lack easy access compared to games that are available in mobile platform..

When I said "we should all be happy about" its like 🎉 celebrating the small wins we can get kinda thing..
to me being happy doesnt mean you gotta be positive about it.. ofc improvements and everything is needed and it is not in a state that satisfying for most atm..

I just wanted to share about my opinion that its not good, but we still can be happy about it in a small ways

[marsh depot]

I agree! I said it personally doesn't feel like the best value for my time or money, but I can see it is a window for others who might do so.

And on the note of positivity, I'm glad that they're at least acknowledging their flaws with communication and sincerely hope this year is different.

[grizzled mist]

I said it to WC yesterday and I'll say it all day. We wouldn't get fired up about this stuff if we didn't want this game to succeed.

[brisk spruce]

well the "let's just be positive about it" was a direct quote from your comment so I'm not sure why I would take it any other way 😅

[vivid oar]

okokok now its got TOO positive in here. Back to negativity! >:O LET. ME. CHANGE. MY. SHOES. SEPERATLY.

[tired glen]

lemme try to find a better construction to explain what i meant there better.. sorry if this is annoying

[brisk spruce]

yeah, I dont think they were modelled with shoe swapping in mind unfortunately doubtful it'll happen, but hopeful!

[vivid oar]

I can dream ;-;

[signal kayak]

for me personally, i feel like if this loyalty program was introduced when the switch release happened dec 23, i (and maybe others) would have been better on board, since this setup makes far more sense (in my head) for newbie players who have to do everything in the game and are at a higher chance to at least try to log in every day to play. but that's my two cents

[marsh depot]

Honestly same. I know I'd have purchased it back then.

[signal kayak]

i probably would have as well, and probably kept it up at least for a little while, even with my unemployment months

[vivid oar]

Will defo be worth getting the day the elderwoods drops at least :D

[tired glen]

here you mentioned telling everyone "lets just be positive about it" fixes absolutely nothing about reality or how we feel about these things

and I reply to that with oh im not trying to make anyone agree or "lets be positive" about anything.. as i mentioned there that, thanks ValkOrii to acknowledge, Palia does have lack easy access compared to games that are available in mobile platform..

because in my first post, i never intend this to go on the toxic positivity that it will fix or turn blind eye to a problem.. since I do acknowledge it in my post Another thing is that both HSR and Infinity Nikki are games that also accessible with mobile platform so they are made with activities that can be done a lot more often (not saying Palia doesnt have it, but the reality is not everyone can sit on their PC or Nintendo Switch and play while commuting or at the break from work/school as easily) which is why i feel why some of the opinion earlier said that their pricing offer a lot more..

So the part where I say Palia devs are trying is a step that i feel like we should all be happy about, its not ideal and they at least still gonna try to refine it further, lets just be positive about it.. is only focusing on the positive way we can celebrate the small wins that we can get as I mentioned to the reply of your reply on my first post

i hope this making sense to you all.. sorry im bad at expressing my thoughts

[brisk spruce]

I have to leave for a short bit but I'll read it when I come back. don't stress about it I'm not upset with you!

[tired glen]

okay thank you for having this discussion with me Kali

[fiery perch]

Not trying to speak for you or anything, so if I am overstepping, I apologize!

But are you perhaps trying to say, something along the lines of... "yes, there are bad things, but let's also look on the positives and the silver lining. Because there are still good and positive things from this." ?

[grizzled mist]

Elderwoods is make or break at this point. It's the dice roll that will determine what timeline we end up in.

[tired glen]

oh thank you! yes that kinda what i mean! hahaha omg thank you so much for this
i feel like at least i make sense to one person in a way

[fiery perch]

Hahaha, you're welcome! Like I said above, I love discussing stuff... so.. naturally, I love communication & things. I also know how tough it can be to put thoughts into words and the like 😅 ; I tend to have the same issue sometimes!

[tired glen]

sometimes i wish i can just quick share my thoughts telepathically so i don't need to pick which words to use, cause words are hard at times

sending my chaotic thoughts to the world as if its okay to do so

[grizzled mist]

I just love Palia and I want nice things for it, because I don't just love the game I love the community. You all deserve the game you were promised, and the devs who dreamed this game up deserve to see it become the game they wanted it to be. That's my sentimental mush for tonight/t'morn.

[signal kayak]

the real question will be will the older players that quit playing for whatever reason they had return to the game even if elderwoods has a (nearly) flawless release (and i use nearly here because i know that there's going to be a ton of bugs/glitches/lagging when it releases)

[tired glen]

aww.. that's so lovely thanks for sharing your sentimental mush tonight

[tired glen]

in all honesty i have no expectation for the super miracle moment of it being even nearly flawless release
i would be grateful as long as i can play lol

[vivid oar]

would it really be a palia patch/update without at least 3 new bugs, 2 bugs that were fixed 3 months ago coming back and a new way to randomly flashbang players when they least expect it?!

[brisk spruce]

I understand what you mean, thank you (and thanks Valk for the extra help )

my body is getting revenge for the small bit of milk chocolate I had, sorry for the timing

[grizzled mist]

Bugs are an inevitable part of any mmo. How they are handled is where it counts. I think if S6 regains its stability and earns back some trust a lot of people will come back. Some of these people have been here supporting the game for like 4 years. Before Beta or Switch or Steam came to party.

[tired glen]

speaking of bugs.. i wish we get the cauldron bug fix soon.. that's the only thing i can't finished rn

[fiery perch]

It's fixed this patch!

[tired glen]

oh no, hopefully it ease up soon!

[fiery perch]

Or at least, a lot of players have reported it fixed!

[tired glen]

it does?! i must missed it in patchnotes then.. ill try it thank you!

[fiery perch]

You didn't miss it. It just wasn't in the patch notes, but a lot of ppl in palia-gen, discussions, etc, have mentioned it's fixed!

[brisk spruce]

oh right I forgot I have one of those quests stuck on that too I think? gonna have to remember to do it at some point

[tired glen]

games devs : hey people said the cauldron is fix, did we fix that?
other game devs : we did?
game devs : i gues we did....

[granite crag]

Cauldron and Bug plaques were fixed no mention in the patch notes though.

[fiery perch]

Oh bug plaques too? Neat.

Now hopefully to fix the tags for the other items too please 🙏

[frank sphinx]

Kind of want to start a new account just so I can do all the quests and pay more attention now that I know how to play 😅 but maybe wait for elderwoods to do that so I can play in a continuous stretch instead of in bits and pieces over a year and a half

[tired glen]

i have only realize this and you are so right.. there are some shoes that imo looks better with diff pants/skirt!

[glossy aspen]

Are there no claw machines for this Maji market? I have some coins I wasn’t able to use last time but I don’t see where to use them.

[tired glen]

i don't think i see it in this round of Maji Market

[wispy lance]

I haven't had the chance to try any of the "placement bugged" items. Only the bug plaques work? I think those got fixed last patch.

Yeah. Checked my list, the bug plaques weren't in my last patch list.

[granite crag]

I tried logs, bloom lantern, and the homestead candle holder and those are still broken

[wispy lance]

This is the list if anyone wants to test out some of the items (I'll try to remember when I get on pc) and let me know if I need to add new items to the list because I'm not giving up with this list until it's fixed 🤣 (and yes they all are low prio on bug fixes 💜)

And here's a list of other items that got bugged in the last 3 patches plus the makeshift bookshelf that never worked.

Items not working on Surfacess such as Tables:

• Kilima founder's windmill decor
• Sick Style bahari board
• Homestead Barrel
• Homestead Candle Holder
• Maji Market Bloom Lantern
• Maji Market Spring Blossom Vase
• Gardener's cornucopia
• Short Enchanted Candle

Floor Items not working Inside the house:

• pal tech Medium Pipe
• Pal tech Large Pipe

Items not working on the Yardwork terrain:

• Yardwork Leafy Log

Items that you can't place anything on them:

• Makeshift Bookshelf

[granite crag]

Someone in decor said the bahari board was also broken still

[wispy lance]

It's there

Sick style bahari board

Ah u meant still... Yeah 😅

I'll test them out again when I log. I also have a new item to add.

[granite crag]

I accidentally had taken mine down by removing a bay window, and i havent been able to put them back til this update.

[weak wigeon]

Going through my twitter i saw this little edit i made when they released this outfit and i still wish they changed it hahasha :(((((

[fiery jacinth]

I am strongly against it. Even if it’s a FOMO thing, thats the reason why I even bought the Coffee. To support you guys but, also to have an exclusive Plushie. To hear the news that you guys may release this later in the future feels like I honestly got scammed. I would recommend just releasing a different coloured Maji dragon if that’s the case. I know it seems like I am gate keeping but, we never gotten a Chapaa pillow from the last promotion and no one really complained about not getting one.

[brisk spruce]

just curious but someone earlier suggested a mini maji plush of the same color, but in the mini size so it was still obviously different, how do you feel about that one?

just asking in case the devs see that one and are more interested in that idea, your feedback would surely be valuable as someone who has bought the product

Edit: I found the comments I had skimmed past. Elithesia mentioned it first (from what I saw) #💬│palia-discussions message, later Tempest mentioned they could have made the paid one larger as a compromise #💬│palia-discussions message and Moose mentioned mini maji as an option specifically #💬│palia-discussions message

[fiery jacinth]

Hmmmmm…… anyone’s switch not working that well during this update?

[tired glen]

its been glitchy around kilima for me..
but otherwise its alright

[slow olive]

Yeah the marketing on this is so unclear. I was just about to buy some but didn't bother after this comment. Id have been raging if I'd bought something saying exclusive only for it to show up for free in game a few months later

[deep zodiac]

Wow so we are being duped into purchasing an “exclusive” item that will be in game for zeki coins! I am really mad that S6 is doing this. I will be calling for a refund this is ridiculous! Shame on you! Have to jump on here to see this nonsense!

[warm python]

Yeah tbh when I read time-exclusive plushie I thought it meant limited time, considering that the other Madrinas thing worked like that, I was confused until it got clarified on this discord

it's a weird phrasing I guess especially considering there's already been precedent

[fiery perch]

The word "exclusive" is really what really makes it tricky. They really should of just clarified to say, "Get this plush x amount of months earlier!"

[warm python]

damn even the plushie refuses to advertise itself as early access

[slow olive]

Yes limited time exclusive I took to mean would only be available for a limited time. And it only says that if you look at a picture you have to scroll to. The actual description only says 'exclusive in game item included'

[warm python]

but in all seriousness yeah they really could have used better wording, seeing all the confusion about. the madrinas site doesn't say anything about it being an early access item and not a completely exclusive item the way the chapaa thing was

it just says exclusive from what I can tell unless I'm missing something there

[deep zodiac]

I am sorry I wouldn’t had purchase for early access it doesn’t make sense the only plus is the tea but then again its false advertisement! The wording makes it false advertisement!

[warm python]

It's definitely confusing phrasing, espec since it's only fully clarified here in a discord post afaik

[slow olive]

If you only saw this screen nothing to explain it will be available elsewhere

[fiery perch]

I understand and I agree with you! I even brought it up with WC when he clarified it!

[warm python]

I think this is another showing of the communication issue, that info like this can't just be confined to a single comment on a discord

'cause now it's involving people's money

[fiery perch]

This was WC's response when I brought it up to him: #💬│palia-discussions message

So he is aware, and hopefully will fix that at some point. Or something. Because 😅 Yeah, I dont' think it's okay. At all.

I mean, I'd rather it be announecd and clarified on a wider scale, but, alas.

[warm python]

what WC said should have been said upfront on the patch notes, on the tweet, on the madrinas storefront

but yeah hopefully he sorts that out sooner than later cause as we can see people are already spending money not understanding

and that's where things get extra messy

[fiery jacinth]

I honestly wouldn’t mind that if the size is the same as the mini maji.

[warm python]

The eepy meds are kicking in for me so I won't tl;dr more about it but yeah, I do appreciate more communication but it has to be consistent and visible across the board

so no one's getting confused when they're taking their credit card out

[somber crag]

That's something I wish for a lot lately, too.

[brisk spruce]

thank you for the answer! I was honestly so curious how someone who actually bought it would feel about it, I appreciate the response

[fiery perch]

And this is where, esp since Anner is here, going to thank the Mod Cats/Anner for pinning the clarification in #🌟│sixer-tracker ! So it was easy to get to, and so more people are aware.

[warm python]

I do appreciate WC being transparent more with us lately but yeah it's just gotta be leveled up so it's not just us terminally online nerds (/pos) getting the information

[somber crag]

If only my little 📌 react would broadcast it everywhere it was relevant, looool.

[fiery perch]

The more people who know that the communication with the plush/collab, the better. Because it really isn't okay and I really really hate when people get misled like that, even if it was unintentional. And especially when money is involved.

[austere ginkgo]

Soo the situation with the new pink dragon is that they’re caught in between choosing to honour the ‘player inclusivity’ brand (which will hurt their sales bc why buy smth you can get for free later) or sticking with launching more exclusive items (more incentives to support collabs for actual early access items)? Is this what’s happening rn in regards to the new collab

[warm python]

need to put out a Ratsignal or something

[fiery perch]

[brisk spruce]

anner 📌 's, suddenly in-game message, twitter, palia.com, youtube, and discord all get a message

and reddit* and any others tiredbrain forgot

[somber crag]

"Hey yall me again take this update from S6 and have a rat-tastic day "

[somber crag]

In simple terms, yes. I think WC was taking feedback he got from the server, it just wasn't communicated effectively.

[austere ginkgo]

Oki thank you just tried reading all that with no sleep lol

[warm python]

oh lord it's 3:20am and I am still awake

curse you infinity nikki and all your free cosmetics and massive amounts of patch content for a f2p game---

[somber crag]

Same. 🙂

Well not infinity Nikki part, but the rest.

[warm python]

(yeah I know it's a gacha game and thus predatory but man feels good to have so much to do for free)

okay one more stylist challenge then I shut computer off

[fiery perch]

that's what they all say

[warm python]

LMAO I SWEAR this is the last one I can perfect with my resources

[slow olive]

uortunately the more predatory systems make more money so they can create content quicker. If you have the self control it's great but I can't play those games as id be bankrupt.

[warm python]

Yeah, I have to be careful. I'm not spending any more money than the same thing Palia's about to do with their pass

but I feel like I get more out of the game so I'm willing to pay for an identically working pass than I would for Palia

[slow olive]

And as much as the idea of palias initial monetisation strategy was lovely in principle it was not going to work with no FOMO/ no incentive to spend.

I made a whole Reddit post on it ages ago but it got deleted for some reason 🤔

[brisk spruce]

I avoid gachas because I need the money and I don't trust myself lol that's why I hate the idea of gacha tactics in non-gacha games though

[warm python]

The reddit can be....uh, yeah. lol. idk if/how we're allowed to talk about it due to the mod crossover so I try not to talk about it too much but

And yeah I don't trust myself either in gachas, so I don't play em much

just FF7 EC (which i'm on the verge of quitting) and now Nikki

[slow olive]

Ah okay. It was ages ago so not even sure if it would be the same mods. They were very trigger happy at the time but it does seem better at the minute. I've really been on for a while though.

[warm python]

Alright, Nikki shut off tonight. man they added like two new huge things, one a permament fireworks island and new outfit with skill attached and quests there, and a chinese new year expy questline in the main area to do, both give you free outfits along the way, outfits you can flat get with free currency instead of gambling for it, some other stuff... so cool

I have my complaints about that game, trust me, but the "wow there is a lot to do and things aren't crashing if I take a step wrong" part helps a bit lol

[hexed cloak]

Personally I didn't think there is a lot to do in Nikki. Maybe because I don't enjoy quests

[warm python]

Yeah, it's a lot of quest focused stuff. When you run out of quests you're kinda just logging on for dailies if you want to do them until next patch

But if questing and story isn't your thing then infinity won't since it mixes that with your usual gacha aspects

Ok now I def need eep lmao gn friendos

[fiery jacinth]

Right? I want to get what I paid for rather than leaving it all to chance of getting it.

[deep zodiac]

I mean I am not a dumb person exclusive means exclusive, early access is early access, premium is premium. This is not my first rodeo, I am a gamer and I have purchase in game content and early access content but this, by far is not a mistake this is a right out disregard for those of us who choose to purchase because the only way to get it is by purchasing it or trade! Not in game freebie. Just like the premium outfits just like the twitch drops and limited plushies that they will never put into the zeki coin machine.

[fiery jacinth]

Agreed. Like who’s gonna get the palcat rugs when it was available for a limited time? Those that were playing and participated in getting it.

[deep zodiac]

Yeah and Nox and giga and big! The list goes on

[slow olive]

It's deliberately misleading on the website. And I imagine both parties would have had to sign off on the marketing.

S6 need to just be straight instead of trying to placate people on both sides and just confusing things. For all those saying 'its a money grab etc' just admit it. Yes it is. It's a F2P game so they have to make money somewhere. That's a fact. Yes you can play for free but if you don't want to spend anything there will be some things not available as they have to incentivise people to spend for the game to survive.

If you want things to be available to everyone regardless of spend (not a good idea from a financial pov imo) you need to be open about this so people aren't conned into spending money they don't have to.

You can't have it both ways

[fiery jacinth]

I have some people agree that it’s better if they have a mini to be released in the Zeki balls for the plushie because it is a different sized plushie and it feels less cheated from those that have spent money for it. I am not a coffee drinker but, wanted to help out by getting something exclusive to help out S6.

[deep zodiac]

That would be a great solution to this mess they have caused! Cause I am an old school coffee drinker, light and sweet! I don’t like flavored coffee but yet I purchased their first colab and now this one, and to tell you the truth only b/c of the exclusive content! I am a big kid when I love something! But this has me outraged truly!

[quick panther]

i just realised the requirement is we have to win hotpot 7 times for Get in My Belly 3 Stamp card

[velvet tusk]

Did S6 say anything about quality of life features in building recently? For example it would be huge if you could mirror objects, or don't need to abuse an ungodly amount of bugs to achieve a certain aesthetic in my opinion. Not trying to dishonour anyone who's using those bugs, I know it's a lot of work. I'm just hoping that we could achieve the same outcome one day through quality of life updates, rather than relying on unpolished mechanics

[deep zodiac]

So we spend real money for a name???? Sorry but this doesn’t fly with me I spend money for “exclusive” in game content not a name tag on a soon to be free plushie! This is considered false advertisement and both S6 and Madrinas are in colab with each other and are aware of it! Wow thank you for the name tag!

[agile stream]

You are getting the actual physical plush too.

So you’re paying for that really.

[lyric night]

the makeship physical plush
and
the madrinas refresher + ingame plush
are 2 different things

[signal kayak]

yeah, that's two different companies. so two different products

[agile stream]

Oh then it’s the drink you’re paying for, my bad.😅 In both cases it’s about something physical.

[lyric night]

in the end yeah, but a lot of ppl would never get the physical item if it would not include the ingame plush (which is a completely wrong approach but whatever)
the only issue ppl have with it is that its wrongly advertised (on Madrinas part only tbf)

S6 themselves never mentions it as limited-time exclusive
only time-exclusive, which is different and means exactly what they want to do, exclusive for some time but will release at a later time for all

[hollow crescent]

kinda. it’s a “do i want this ingame item now instead of waiting for it to show up in game plies this drink?” vs “am i ok waiting a year + for the ingame plushie (named different due to contracts)”

[hollow crescent]

oh really? i’d figure they would both have to sign off on how it would be presented 👀

[lyric night]

well it seems to be a communication issue between the 2 parties probably, but that would not be surprising
Madrinas is well aware of the fact that S6 wants to release the plushie at a later time

[last tide]

[rare pine]

They nerfed the hotpot payout? 😒

[last tide]

I want to trade my stuffed animals, but I can't talk on the channel

[rare pine]

You need to react to the pinned comment

[kindred pasture]

Of all the bugs.....the inability to water, chop, or inventory flow trees is the most frustrating - is there anyone NOT impacted by this bug?

[umbral lynx]

I think it's effecting everyone or how the posting seems...
I've been effected by a bug like this for months, my work around was to use a friend or a alt to interact with my trees for me in unsure if this would apply to this bug as no one has tried it but never know (context for months now I haven't been able to grow trees on my plot as when I interacted with them I saw none of the effects or sounds and if I was ever able to water them their growth never finished)

[kindred pasture]

Wow, that sucks.

A real software development company using agile software develeopment practices would see this as a High and get a hotfix out for it.

I'm new though, so I am not jaded yet 😄

[umbral lynx]

Seeing as the issue only just happened with this patch for everyone I can assume they had it reported and started to look into it. They never super tell us when a hotfix is coming but they use to push them out within the first week or so depending on the issue
There are alot of bugs that have been around much longer than this though

[fiery sphinx]

Welcome to Palia.

[umbral lynx]

Like what it's Saturday? Patch was Thursday

[kindred pasture]

I think people would be less frustrated if they had a community manager that was active

I know ALL OF THIS has been said before I ever started playing

[fiery sphinx]

At least they've acknowledged the issue https://support.palia.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/34217032764820-Unable-to-water-Flow-trees-on-plot Sometimes it takes a week for things to make it to the bulletin board (if it ever even does)

[umbral lynx]

Eh apparently they are trying to hire one... But would you want to be a cm of a abandoned community? It's gonna be scary for whoever they do manage to hire and we can only hope users are kind to whoever takes that job and gives them time to catch up on everything

[fiery sphinx]

I feel bad for whoever walks into this dumpster fire. Also, one CM is not going to fix this, so I really hope they're building a team. It seemed pretty hard for the CMs when we had four.

[ivory vessel]

plus, it's no use having CMs if they don't actually take in the feedback...

[fiery sphinx]

This is true. But at least when we had CMs and things would happen (like a widespread chat outage), we would get some kind of acknowledgement that "hey, we know chat is down for everyone and we're working on it" instead of sitting here hoping.

[kindred pasture]

Yeah, I just want active communication - like other games. Even trash games

Makes me feel like we are at least being heard - if not listened too

[umbral lynx]

Yeah while crabs has tried to come in now and then and help it's been hit or miss. No offence to the guy but it isn't super his department. So no hate there he tried.
But there is alot of damage in the wake of it all...
I think if we got a cm and they just started off small while they learnt the situation better like as you said reporting stuff and a basic eta or we know statement.
That would be a nice start before opening the gates to the true damage

[fiery sphinx]

This is basically the sentiment of the whole community. Unfortunately, all we can do is trust that S6 is truly working toward better communication ... and some of us have a hard time trusting them these days.

[umbral lynx]

Aww yis tarina gonna be some wise words coming

[kindred pasture]

I just discovered this game in december and I hate seeing it flailing

[umbral lynx]

I'm still satly about what was said last time... Ngl call me petty but that isn't something you say out loud

[ivory vessel]

tell me about it (rhetorical aka agreed)

[umbral lynx]

Biggest slap to the face like we know but you don't say that stuff

[kindred pasture]

Sorry for bringing in the sads. Just so disappointed in this update. Even though i dont really care about the premium stuff - there were not even any male clothing like what the female got. I dont do plushies either. I am SUPER HAPPY they fixed the Tamala cauldron

[ivory vessel]

sometimes you have to sugar coat things. especially when you're the face of a whole company. at least make it seem like you care

[fiery sphinx]

Unfortunately, you're probably in for a lot of similarly disappointing updates until they get the Elderwood finished.

[hollow crescent]

like sweat and sour candy tbh

[ivory vessel]

don't feel bad, this is the place where we come to talk about our frustrations - and joys - and the things we expect from the game and S6. this channel looks like this 80% of the time tbh

[kindred pasture]

I am only excited about the bugs and fish even though it means I have to build an entirely new museum 😄

[umbral lynx]

Not everything is sunshine and rainbows. And nothing will change if we don't express our concerns

My biggest concern is how each patch the game gets more unsafe and unplayable

[grizzled mist]

If they don't fix some of the issues for LNY I'm pretty much going to give up trying. Chapaa Chase is so broken. Rewards are a mess. Stamp card challenges are unobtainable in this state and it will be a year before we get this festival again.

[grizzled mist]

This! This! This!

[fiery sphinx]

Chapaa Chase being almost unplayable literally since they introduced Maji Market is just... I can't even express my frustration wtih this.

[kindred pasture]

What is wrong with chaapa chase? I am not familer enough with LNY to see any issues

[fiery sphinx]

Half the time the chapaas don't even spawn... or when they do you can't pick them up. Even when it works, it doesn't work well.

[pearl wave]

[grizzled mist]

It's especially frustrating because the first time they introduced it we all raged and they fixed it, but later on they undid the fixes!

[hollow crescent]

very laggy can’t get chappas barely , ppl/chappas pop in/out so hard to see where anything is

[kindred pasture]

Oh yeah, I did notice that.

[hollow crescent]

on switch it’s a nightmare

[grizzled mist]

Yesterday I had chapaas actually run into me and knock me over but I still couldn't catch any

[kindred pasture]

YEah, finally realized it was lag that made it look like somsone snatched one from in front of me

[kindred pasture]

Wow

[grizzled mist]

Yeah the desync is a mess. You'll be right on top of one and spamming f but someone 40 yards away will scoop it up from under you

When it was fixed my record was 26 in one round. Now my record is 3

[hollow crescent]

1 for me

i just catch 1 and go do hot pot now

[grizzled mist]

Now even if you're lucky enough to get a low pop server the spawns are scaled to happen less so no one gets much of anything

[fiery sphinx]

Same. I mean... the one time I bothered logging in since the update.

[hollow crescent]

yea once i get the 1-2? items i want for tickets i think ima go back to fixin my plot or playin other game

[grizzled mist]

What this game needs is balance. Across the board. Resources. RNG. All of it. The balance is trash.

[umbral lynx]

Tbh at this point I think we should cheat... Woah there hold on hear me out I know I said the forbidden c word but idk what else to call it.
Aka we all fill up a server together and each night let people catch the what 25? Chapaas... Cas honestly idk how else you are meant to get that

[hollow crescent]

also i think it winter/fall in kilima and it’s makin it lag a bit more

[sullen depot]

the most i seem to be able to catch is like 8-10

[hollow crescent]

doesn’t sound bad tbh

[grizzled mist]

I firmly believe the reason cheating and exploitation is so prevalent is because the economy and QoL is terrible.

[umbral lynx]

No denying that

[umbral lynx]

Yeah like it isn't a great idea and like I'm one of the few that doesn't care (the stamp gives tickets and eh nothing else thankfully)
But there's people out there who like seeing the stamps all ticked off so I'm down to help where I can

[hollow crescent]

make a https://discord.com/channels/809856101326913567/1143270926394335282 call it “chappa chasers” and have like a que going

[grizzled mist]

They've also fostered a system that causes player conflict when we came here to have a nice peaceful game where we could potentially work together or just chill and do our own thing.

[hollow crescent]

no different really than having cake parties or flow tree ones where they ask ppl to leave servers

[grizzled mist]

And the grind is rage inducing

[rare pine]

The grind is what causes a lot of conflict

[pearl wave]

I wish they switched up mini games to earn tickets ngl

[hollow crescent]

mhm i’m glad it’s a month long cuz omgg if it was just a week

[polar elbow]

I imagine it's been really rough for WC trying to fill in as temporary CM on top of everything else. I don't envy the position he's been put in at all tbh... I can only hope S6/daybreak can find + hire a full-time CM sooner than later to address all the concerns that have cropped up from, well, not having one, and help people feel heard again

I do appreciate WC's efforts to communicate with us, but he shouldn't have to. There's a reason community manager is an entire position of its own in most cases, and it's because they are basically the public-facing "voice" for the company. It's a lot of pressure to deal with, and you need someone who has experience enough to know how to respond to the community in a way that doesn't inadvertently cause offense in one way or another.

[rare pine]

Flow trees, palium, underground prizes. These were all a source of contention because people needed to grind.

[hollow crescent]

yea i hope the new cm will be soon to help with what they can , their gonna be bombarded with feedbacks

[grizzled mist]

If it were a week I would just skip the whole thing. Even at a month I don't think I'm going to accomplish anything. I had one stamp card achievement remaining last year and all my progress was wiped, so starting over feels especially bad because the festival is so broken

[umbral lynx]

Ngl for me it's a mix i tend to step back due to how players can react to situations. When I first started I avoided groves cas the constant and still going grove drama.
Nowdays I find myself turning in game chat off unless I am playing with friends and we are actively chatting
Like sure it's a joke that I'm always afking but can I be blamed?

[pearl wave]

Nah it's valid

[rare pine]

I don't interact in this game at all

Hotpot is the first contact I've had with other players in a long LONG time

[grizzled mist]

My block list is solely made up of people who pitched a temper tantrum and yelled at other players for not catering to them

[umbral lynx]

I have alot of slur names banned since s6 decided having it as a username was OK

[hollow crescent]

oh no

[rare pine]

Say WHAT now?

[umbral lynx]

Banned blocked? Same thing

[hollow crescent]

report and block ye

[umbral lynx]

No joke check the server list of names sometimes... Get abit... Erm... Racey

[hollow crescent]

do that in wow ain’t gonna stop me from doin it in other games

[grizzled mist]

I don't run into too many of those but I still see so many names that are more than likely people's real names because they didn't understand the character creation options

[hollow crescent]

wish it did like wow though after x reports your character gets kicked to creation screen to choose another name

[umbral lynx]

Yeah alot kids have been doxxing themselves in game to and it's like child do not tell people where you live

[grizzled mist]

swift justice!

[marsh depot]

I expect this in League but I feel even there there's more usernae moderation there, the game will stop you from using certain names too

[grizzled mist]

And I don't care who you are or where you live, you don't tell anyone online your age. Too many creeps out there.

I had a discord server ask for a copy of my ID to prove I was over 18 and I noped out so fast

[umbral lynx]

Yeah ngl league, wow, gw2 main 3 I play and they have better systems in places for sus usernames like sure it isn't perfect some get through and that's OK cas you can get arround using accents or spelling it isn't hard but seeing a palia user with a very slur name it's like... Please there are 10 year olds around I'm sure no ones parent wants them to learn a word thst way without understanding it

[rare pine]

It's a blessing that I don't know how to do this on Switch. I only know who talks

[polar elbow]

Honestly there's just this huge divide in the environment the game claims to foster, vs the environment the game's design actually fosters
Flow groves have people piling onto newbies and harrassing them + encouraging everyone else on the server to block them, just because they don't know the "unwritten rules" that the community made up. >>
Hotpot is supposed to be this fun game, but you have people fighting over "spampot" or "playing normally" because of how bad the time/reward ratio is for playing normally + limited timeframe to play hotpot to begin with

At least palium has been fixed for the most part, if only they could do it for other areas of the game where friction is happening

[grizzled mist]

Been a minute since I've seen a fishing bot around, so I wonder what's happening behind the scenes at S6. They're obviously busy doing something even if we aren't ever sure what that something is.

[umbral lynx]

Lucky you

[marsh depot]

Even when they get around it, most times they'll get reported and forced to change the name or get a ban (in the case of League at least form what I've heard). Pokemon TCGP had a similar username problem but I think they've been solving that now.

[grizzled mist]

i still don't think there's enough palium, but at least people have gotten really good at calling it out for everyone

[umbral lynx]

The fact groves have been a issue for a tad bit to long now I guess when we got our own seeds they saw that as a work around as they both require people... But like what if I don't want strangers on my plot touching my stuff? I know the tree idea is a lil harder to create a system for that works for everyone

[marsh depot]

Palium definitely became more scarce after the groves.

[umbral lynx]

It isn't banned... Just for lny spamming space isn't that profitable

[ivory vessel]

plus, one of the stamps requires you to catch 25 chapaas in one game iirc? while only about 100 chapaas total spawn per game and you have 25 people in a server. even if not everyone is playing, my PB in chapaa chase has been 15, and that's getting lucky to not desync too bad

[marsh depot]

Yeah what Diskette said, because the hotpot reward system is different in LNY, spampot doesn't work.

[fiery sphinx]

I hate groves. I actually didn't mind farming for flow trees and I very rarely encountered drama when that was the case.

[grizzled mist]

The reward system for hotpot is different at the festival so spampot can usually mean less tickets than playing through

[polar elbow]

The friction was happening not because of the quantity of palium, but because it used to disappear right away after a single person mined it. Now, Palium can still be mined by others for a few minutes after it is first harvested, which eliminated about 90% of the friction around the resource

[grizzled mist]

15 sounds unobtainable to me with it being in the state it's in

[umbral lynx]

Since I find hotpot boring I'm not gonna lie I do space bar out. HEAR ME OUT it makes me very tried sometimes so I will fall asleep mid game
I've started trying to collect 1 colour for fun now since I got the wins for the stamp so I don't care for winning

[young plank]

Yeah i did a couple games and the fun about hotpot is just gone. It makes me sad. It was supposed to be the reason you wanted to log into lny event.

[marsh depot]

I can understand that, I do enjoy LNY hotpot but underground hotpot I can't bother with and would only spampot with friends. Even then, i still think it's not worth it.

[grizzled mist]

I don't knock spampot in theory. I blame the terrible prize rng for people feeling like they need to play that way. It's a symptom not a problem.

[umbral lynx]

Wait what's this i didn't get made to feel bad for space baring ya all to kind

[ivory vessel]

it's only bc i play pc and have very little lag. i know that's a privileged position and i'm truly sorry they force switch players to struggle so much

[young plank]

Omg they could of added a different card games for the undergound! really went nuts you know but they took the lazy way out and just shoved hotpot in the underground. We can have gameboards now at our homeplots so i mean they could of done it.

[grizzled mist]

Hey I'm glad someone has a shot at actually getting even close to finishing that challenge. I hope you get it! Do it for all of us!

[marsh depot]

I don't blame people for wanting to spampot because it's very much the result of the bogged RNG system. I only blame the ones who are toxic about it.

[grizzled mist]

We all demanded hotpot and there wasn't really anywhere else for them to set it up. But I really would like to see another mini game added. Preferably at the inn.

[ivory vessel]

THANK. YOU. i can't believe they couldn't bother to come up with another silly game. there's no point to hotpot in LNY when we have it year round every night in the UG

like give us that card game auni is always raving about. anything.

[young plank]

I just feel like they could of done something else then hotpot you know? They have 90% killed the game for me.

[grizzled mist]

At least the LNY version still earns you tickets and functions under the original rules. Of course the prize wheel is a disaster...

[umbral lynx]

Hate me but I'd love to see solo minigames. Where my progress doesn't effect other people and such... Sometimes it's nice to vibe out

[grizzled mist]

If it were me, I would have taken advantage of the hotpot buzz and created a mobile version for people to play whenever they wanted, then made a new game for the underground.

[ivory vessel]

i like to hog solo hotpot tables at LNY ngl

[ivory vessel]

that's actually brilliant

[young plank]

Eh but its still hotpot though. I went on a crazy grind once for all the big stuffed plushes and thats what killed hotpot in general for me. Im said but i will not be playing palia much anymore cause i just cant seem to hit play. Newer players by all means go nuts but for me. i have offically moved on to infinity nikki. I had really high hopes for the game you knpw?

[grizzled mist]

During the development years they even said they were interested in some kind of mobile version, so a companion app makes perfect sense.

I'd also generate earnable game tables for home plots so people who want to just play with friends or alone can do so on their home plots.

[hollow crescent]

thinking chappa chase could be that, in infinity nikki you have a mini game where it puts you in a pen and you have to herd a sheep to stuff, could do that but it’s a game of “tag” and you try to catch the chappas that appear while dodging obstacles (make it overhead view or keep it as regular view)

[marsh depot]

@fiery perch (dont mind the ping please ) wre just talking the other day about how much money S6 could've bagged in if they made a mobile hotpot game. Or even release a hotpot board game instead of the plushies.

[hollow crescent]

idk if it be hard to do, but maybe limit it like with the machines in the underground for the arcade game

[grizzled mist]

I'd be all in

[umbral lynx]

S6? Releasing products for money based off the game? Madness have some coffee instead

[young plank]

would 100% play that. That sounds like something new and it could be attached to the events! i would play HOURS just for a new mini game

[hollow crescent]

hope they at least take note of it

[marsh depot]

I don't blame you, I genuinely enjoyed hotpot in LNY but I could not get behind grinding for the underground one. The wheel really ruined it for me. And you know I'm a sucker for Nikki too haha.

[grizzled mist]

I could play on meal breaks at work!

[hollow crescent]

yea i likes hotpot when it was market exclusive (i’m used to mini games be in a event thing from other mmos) and i think a revamp of chappa chase somehow to get the 25 or so would be good so not to have 25 other ppl chasing

[young plank]

Speaking of that i should log in and get my dailes. I used to do that for palia but eh

[pearl wave]

I do want to thanks the s6 for fixing the snowball both on pc and switch <3

[grizzled mist]

Oh. Oh you don't want a potato pod? Did you catch them all?

[young plank]

See the potatos used to get me to log in but thats not even pulling me in anymore. I could care less i could go out and trade dupes of things i have for the potato pods i dont have

[hollow crescent]

not really catching but they could have done that where it will be a thing you find gardening so ppl would do that during the time it’s active

[umbral lynx]

Now if only they tied the potato pods to skills instead.... That would of been fun

[marsh depot]

Better late than never I guess, I'm just glad they didn't sweep it under the rug like some of us feared. And also glad that WC is taking in the feedback and passing it on to solve the whitescreen issue at least.

[hollow crescent]

yea it’s a hit or miss trading huh

[pearl wave]

Ye

[umbral lynx]

Oh you talked to npcs... Here's the rocker... You been fishing the mermaid ones... Oh oh picking up that sweet leaf oh hey a pod was hiding under that

[grizzled mist]

Trading took a lot of the rage out of them for me. I am incredibly opposed to being forced to log in.

[umbral lynx]

Also I need to talk to whoever wanted a umbrella glider
I know it's gonna be a fortnite thing but why

[marsh depot]

I'm surprised they didn't tie it to gardening. Seemed like a no brainer to me but what do I know.

[grizzled mist]

The real question is why is it not shaped like a mushroom?

[young plank]

That would of been a nice grind. Farming potatoes for a chance at a rare potato pod to form instead.

[umbral lynx]

I'd rather have this with their ugly pose (idk why it bothers me)

[marsh depot]

I just wish it had more swatches. Not like I'm gonna buy it but seriously, only one?

[grizzled mist]

Mary Poppins antics

[young plank]

Dare i ask what ugly pose LOL im invested now LOL

[grizzled mist]

Missed opportunity

[umbral lynx]

Look at how its held its so idk wrong it bothers me so much like hate it

[marsh depot]

And also given a bit more incentive for gardening which has only gotten nerfed over and over.

[grizzled mist]

the one where it looks like they took the hoe holding stance and just rotated it in blender

[rugged cipher]

The home visits feature has problems. Now mind you, I don't care for nameplates and quickly abandoned them when it became clear that the real function appears to be attracting new users by having us get our friends to join up and rate our sites.

Right now, the home feature function has destroyed non-featured visits; people without saved tickets still have to beg. The only alternative is to take three weeks to accumulate the 150 tickets needed for a ridiculously short ten hours. And we can't buy in smaller increments except at the very end when visits have dwindled to nothing. Being able to feature one's home for fractional hourly periods at any time would be very nice. So would other means to acquire tickets such as gold or renown.

Even when featuring a home, I have definitively seen that 75% of visitors press the 1 key to quickly get their weekly achievements. And that's regardless of whether the home owner requests a different rating. Moral: Wait to feature your home until the rating you want is set to the 1 key.

There is a way to get to 500, however by saving up 450 tickets and using one immediately after the other starting right at 10pm on Sunday; any later and you will likely be wasting your tickets. Starting later in the week is a total waste. Even so, you only want to do it when some big new release has just happened to assure a huge turnout. If things work well, you will likely reach well over 200 for even the ones you weren't targeting. Just be sure to check your stats after each session has ended to make sure it's worth spending more tickets.

But I don't care about nameplates anymore, and I won't use, grind or pay for any. Instead I plan to just feature one of my five homes every three weeks.

[umbral lynx]

Like what is this

[young plank]

okay i can see it LOL why is it holding the very top?

do they not know proper umbrella stances?

[marsh depot]

I find it funnier considering Nikki also just released an umbrella for a mere $0.99

[young plank]

They very much could of gone mary poppins like someone said earlier!

[pearl wave]

Ew..

[umbral lynx]

Ngl home tours had issues since it first came out... The feature tab didn't change a thing and people are still forced to beg and spam like a mlm

[young plank]

Nah i dropped house tours week 1 when i realised it was botched from the start

[umbral lynx]

Like how many other games have a glider... And how many of those games have 50-100 skins for it when it isn't the main mode of transport

[young plank]

You want to see my house? Ask me i spent HOURS on it for people to give me like 4 likes wtf?

[pearl wave]

I feel like I'm a old woman with learning how to play on switch

[grizzled mist]

It does that to everyone. I tried on Switch but there's no way I wouldn't end up throwing it against a wall.

[young plank]

Went to open palia on switch once and yeah i never opened it again cause its confusing

[umbral lynx]

I really hate the tour system I didn't like it pre patch I don't like it now

[pearl wave]

Ehhh screw it, I'm going on pc. Kudos to anyone who can play on switch Sksks

[umbral lynx]

... Hime you know how my brain works now when I get home I'll have to try switch

[pearl wave]

lol

I wish there a guide online how to play palia on switch ngl

I don't want videos tho, just a wiki of it

[umbral lynx]

I think I had a image for the binds that might be on pc

[pearl wave]

[fiery sphinx]

Like the controls? https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/Guide:Game_Controls

[pearl wave]

Ah thank you!

I'm guessing it's same thing on switch and not controller wise

[grizzled mist]

I'm stealing that for future reference

[pearl wave]

Same haha

[polar elbow]

I think what really sat poorly with me about home tours is the fact that paid landscapes were introduced at the same time
It felt almost like paying for an advantage, in a way, because an ultra fancy premium landscape will only make the plot as a whole look better (and thus get rated better) than one with the boring old default landscape even if they were otherwise identical
Of course, home tours were designed so poorly that concern wound up barely mattering in the end, but it still doesn't sit right with me

[fiery sphinx]

S6 posted it somewhere at some point. I just saved it for reference. 🤷‍♀️ Then I realized I haaate playing on Switch.

[grizzled mist]

All the rewards could have simply been tied to achievements for voting, not obtaining votes. Instead they created a terrible system that forced players to beg.

[limpid root]

At this point unless you are on a big spreadsheet / in one of the big housing servers or pay tickets to get featured for a long period and get lucky getting the highest nameplates is virtually impossible.

[grizzled mist]

I was not about to start campaigning for votes.

[limpid root]

I tried for a bit in housing reactions and pay tickets for being featured (since I bought all the ticket stuff.)

But ultimately ended up giving up because I got nowhere near the plate I wanted.

[grizzled mist]

I just can't justify spending my time that way. And they shouldn't expect me to. They demand enough of my time already.

[kindred pasture]

I enjoy the tours, but I am done asking for votes.

People can find it and vote if they want

[ivory vessel]

they couldn't convince me to get on the home tours grind. honestly it just isn't for me and i feel for people who put so much love in their plots and never get the rewards (or even attention, really, in the sense of: other people seeing their nice plots could be inspiring and fun, but they'll never see it cuz the rotation in the system sucks) they deserve

[kindred pasture]

I will share images I want people to see.

[copper warren]

i always do random when doing weeklies solely because "next house" so often gives me the same house over and over otherwise

if i voted on a house already, i saw it, I don't need to see it again, thanks.

[ivory vessel]

YES

[limpid root]

I've also seen conflicting reports on whether we can vote once a day on each plot or once per week.

Since if you go back to a plot the next day the UI doesn't show you as having voted.

[grizzled mist]

Visual bug afaik. Voting is weekly.

[stuck oar]

Anyone who thinks the "home tour" system was put in place for the common player - is sadly delusional 🙄 I'm sorry to say.

It has 1 singular purpose, so streamers/content creators are able to get footage of people's plots without being bothered by the owners of said plot.

Streamers/content creators don't even ask permission before featuring them in their content. [Maybe some do, personally I try not to go to a plot unless I'm expressly invited by the person.]

So yeah... this feature has all the hallmarks of Palia Partners not wanting to be bothered by the commoners...

In my tiny opinion

[limpid root]

That makes a ton of sense actually.

[copper warren]

also random gives me a chance to see those niche builds. I feel bad for ignoring the plots that paid for highlighting, but the "next plot" button sending me to the same one like 5 times in a row actively makes me not want to bother. super counterintuitive, since I'm not gonna go back to my plot to handpick another one so I don't repeat

[grizzled mist]

I would argue it was probably just another gimmick to push engagement, but I don't really pay attention to streams doing house tours so maybe it's just over my head

[limpid root]

@stuck oar also my 😩 was not directed at you specifically just the exhaustion over what you expressed

[scarlet hazel]

At this point I'm expecting elder woods to be as half baked as the entire game js

[copper warren]

godspeed to you for being willing to have a stream up for 6+ hours

[raven orbit]

I think the same can be said for making the market something that happens pretty much every week now, in my opinion. Having the market happen so frequently (a decision I still think is so foolish) instead of being seasonal meant that streamers had more to do that wasn't just bug parties or cooking and occasional hotpot. Is it engaging? Not really, but it's something to break the monotony.

[grizzled mist]

I love a quiet stream I can just leave running in the background. Twitch drops annoy me. 😆

[copper warren]

i figured, which is why I didn't say watching ,':)

[stuck oar]

The reason for this analysis is that this feature came literally out of nowhere.

Except S6 claims that it was requested,

Due to my special brand of neurospiceyness I pay attention to what things the community seems to be wanting/requesting in different discords. Video comments, etc.

& at no point did I see the resounding amount of community support, that would make S6 create a feature.

So this feature materialized from some back channel.

[copper warren]

them twitch drops time milestones is hilarious. I watch pokemon tournaments for 12+ hours a day when they're on for up to 4 days in a row, watch every minute of it, and IF they have drops on (only for internationals and worlds, 4 times a year) they only ask for maybe 1 hour tops. you couldnt make me interested for how long they want me to "watch" for some potato pods and change

[grizzled mist]

You could be on to something since the partner's programme is almost like some odd little secret society. Who knows what they talk about behind closed doors. If it came up there it could be why it's noted as "requested."

[pearl wave]

is chayne suppose to be sending u mail about blank wish ribbon twice..?

[copper warren]

one a day irl

[pearl wave]

oh i have 2 and was confused..

[slow olive]

The home tours is what made me take a break from palia in the first place and why I haven't played for months. I like collecting things in games and the nameplates depress me as I have no chance. Tried again this week and already want to pack it in again.

[copper warren]

theres a stamp card to wish multiple times, so it's intentional!

[pearl wave]

I mean like i logged on today, got the wish ribbon at 11am my time and i relogged on after chores at 12pm and got another one

[copper warren]

it should be once per reset period, so unless your reset is 12 pm your time... still hey free wishes

[pearl wave]

ah alright ^^

[copper warren]

I won't narc if you want more envelopes c:

[stuck oar]

Oh 100%

The Palia Partners actually have a pipeline that goes direct to S6, do they use it to push the things that the community actually wants/needs? Evidently not,

Mostly because most of them are too busy playing other games. . .

[pearl wave]

pffff

[grizzled mist]

I think the pipeline was severed the same time ours was. Once the CMs were gone I never heard a peep about the partners again

[stuck oar]

Anyways... I'll go back to my Tiny Dragon Dimension now & stawp getting my salt on everyone 💛

[copper warren]

we can all use the iodine supplement, thank you for your insights

[raven orbit]

I know they do have some kind of contact with content creators. Around the time the cash shop roll emote came out they 'challenged' creators to roll it or something?

[scarlet hazel]

If the palia partners have that power why don't they help the community?

[copper warren]

yeah for double 6s

[scarlet hazel]

And what's the point of the wish ribbons? Is it just a cutscene? What are they used for?

[raven orbit]

I remember an old shepp trying to get accessibility listened to, but they ultimately left completely when it was clear it wasn't being acknowledge and was leading nowhere /gen

[grizzled mist]

Aww I miss Melodic Blue she was so sweet

[fiery sphinx]

You dye them (one color for renown, one for gold, one for tickets -- i forget which is which) and put them on the tree, and then you come back and collect later.

[raven orbit]

They were!! Such a sweet soul!

[copper warren]

usually it's a mix of reasons. 1. palia no longer interests them, 2. they aren't even being heard, or 3. they dont really keep in touch with the community outside of their own

[scarlet hazel]

All the systems connected to this game are such a mess. It's unreal

[copper warren]

for example: neopets recently started getting ambassadors early last year, and half of them are celebrities that actually don't care/are too busy to care, or aren't being listened to at all.

[raven orbit]

I know a lot of streamers that I used to watch when I watched Palia made the switch to variety content or completely stopped playing palia, so it would not surprise me if that had an effect too since I think many of them were partners

[copper warren]

like. neopets? you think John feckin Legend really plays your game or talks to your community?

[grizzled mist]

I genuinely don't think they do. At least not anymore. I don't even think I've seen one in this discord in the last year. The shepps sometimes cause some are mods now but never the partners. I think both programmes got abandoned.

[copper warren]

oh we know, and it's a giant joke with the community. but they really talked a huge game about how ambassadors are for specifically being a direct mouthpiece to TNT for the community

[fiery sphinx]

Shepp program definitely did because it was Gingerbread Witch's project. When she left, they were in the middle of apps for more shepps... and then they got rid of the rest of the CMs so there was no one left to deal with it.

[plain spade]

I am now inside a tree, lol😂
Found another problem for my list

[copper warren]

you have simply taken a superior form

[grizzled mist]

I miss the CMs so much

[plain spade]

I am the Lorax, I speak for the trees

[fiery sphinx]

Same. I had a bad feeling things were about to change for the worse when AmeliaMarz left... then GingerbreadWitch left shortly there after... and it wasn't long before they laid off Mel and then Ashe.

[plain spade]

I am stuck inside the tree, omfg😂😭

[grizzled mist]

I almost feel like Ashe got the worst of it. Can't have been easy being the only one left trying to juggle all that work

[copper warren]

saving money obviously!! non essential staff, after all

[plain spade]

I can't get out

[copper warren]

tp home!

[grizzled mist]

The quality assurance team went with them into the bin. I wonder why the game is so buggy now. Can't imagine the cause.

[fiery sphinx]

Yeah, it was obvious she was struggling. That's why I'm so bothered by the fact that WC keeps saying they're hiring a CM. They definitely need more than one.

[plain spade]

How do I do that on switch xD
I still know next to nothing about the game xD

Thanks!

[limpid root]

A Discord with 81,000+ people is gonna require more than one CM on it's own. Nevermind the other channels.

[plain spade]

I have been freed!!

[copper warren]

ayyyy

[grizzled mist]

The wording was a bit vague on that. I'm hoping when WC said interviewing for the CM role that didn't mean there was only one position available in that role. And yet... would I be surprised if there were only one? Nope.

[copper warren]

you should have a cm for roughly every 5000-8000 people your community has, so yeah, naw. one is expected from me

[fiery sphinx]

I think there's actually over 300k members in this discord...

[limpid root]

Oh whoops. I was only looking at online.

[copper warren]

I said it before, but they'd need to pitch me a number above 0, and add several 0s to the end of that number to pay me enough to do that role for this community, and all those 0s better be to the LEFT of a decimal

[brisk spruce]

there are, although it's a lot less active than most servers at that amount. probably people taking breaks waiting for news that interests them though, so they could come back at any time

[pliant path]

i want more actual acknowledgement of accessibility so badly

[copper warren]

if I'm the only person doing the job of multiple persons, you will be multiplying my salary by that many people I'm doing the role for

[fiery sphinx]

Good luck. For something they claimed to be so passionate about in pre-alpha and alpha days... it is primarily ignored.

[scarlet hazel]

I feel like accessibility is so low on the bar for s6 that we aren't gonna hear a thing about it for some time

[pliant path]

I don't want to be told "I see you!" And then have things decided without actually taking into account the people you're trying to help and what were asking for and talking to us

[pliant path]

It is and it frustrates me to no end. I do accessibility stuff offline as well w my day job (and as a disabled person in general) and it's just so draining.

[copper warren]

i know mist and i told WC that in accessibility chat.

[pliant path]

i think i responded to you about that afterwards. the message made me so frustrated.

i should be able to play games safely!!

[copper warren]

God yeah. same. insanely tone deaf to go to the channel where people with disabilities and specific needs are begging for help and changes and say "we see you" with the insane track record of being more visually impaired than some of the people asking for help

[limpid root]

I definitely did. Whether it was actually seen I have no idea.

[copper warren]

Let's go gambling!!!

[raven orbit]

What frustrates me the most, I think, is that it seems like they're only now getting accessibility consulting, and there's no way of knowing is it's something they're actually going to keep up with or if they're just going to "one and done" it - which is not something you can do with accessibility consulting. It needs to be a constant thing for every addition to the game.

[pliant path]

accessibility is constant!!! we are not able to be forgotten and have people who are not disabled decide they've done 'good enough'

so much of this game still triggers my seizures and hasn't been fixed or given me options to remove it or hide it

[wispy lance]

I know things have been frustrating in this past year. But we also need to understand that they have been through a rough patch as well and they needed time to recover. From the last mini blog they said they want to do that. Now we need to give them the benefit of a doubt and just wait and see what the future will bring.

[raven orbit]

These are issues that have been occuring since beta began. Likely since alpha as well.

I get it, but at what point does that stop becoming an excuse? /gen

[copper warren]

I personally believe that palia was too big of a project for their britches without a AAA budget, for the first game a studio puts out (regardless of collaborative experience)

50m+ wouldn't have been enough for this kind of ambition

it needs double that in initial funding

[fiery sphinx]

I gave them the benefit of the doubt for over a year. Now, I'm just going to roast marshmallows over the dumpster fire.

[pliant path]

i always give people the benefit of the doubt even while things become unusable and unsafe for me and loved ones and myself and others do not feel heard. when are we allowed to feel frustrated and upset? telling disabled people especially to give others the benefit of the doubt when it comes to accessibility is..really not cool and i don't appreciate it.

[raven orbit]

I think part of the problem too is that they openly admitted they hadn't nailed down a target audience. They were trying to "cast the widest net possible." Anyone with any amount of business experience knows that's an easy way to kill a business and why most fail. You need to focus on one market first, ensure the product is delivering for said market, before even thinking about focusing on another.

They tried to be an MMO ( and failed) while also trying to be a cozy casual game (and failed). They tried to do too much and as a result have done none of them well, much of it is still in alpha stages in terms of development. Now they're at a point where they can't even add multiplayer content because they've created a game that is virtually singleplayer save for hotpot. /gen

[pliant path]

i love this game but it hurts when so many aspects are not safe for many members of the playerbase and we feel unheard about it

[copper warren]

i had it when their solution to the incredibly high lethality potential of snowballs was to remove its throwing function, and they didn't do that.

[raven orbit]

And then offered snowballs as a twitch drop, knowing full well (if they looked at feedback) that the flashbang had been happening for over a year

[copper warren]

a friend of mine was hospitalized with a seizure due to pokemon SV flashbanging her, and I know palia's flashbangs would, too

[fiery sphinx]

I fully believe that, even if they supposedly couldn't remove their throwing function, they could have removed them from the Winterlights register.

[pliant path]

for a lot of events i just stop playing because of the seizure risks

every single focal seizure i have makes me more at risk of a tonic clonic and i do not want to have that happen because of PALIA

[copper warren]

its simply not worth it

[raven orbit]

I don't even have seizures and some of the stuff in Palia makes me feel like I'm about to. The balloon popping and fireworks at the market especially.

[livid lagoon]

I disagree. Yes, they have been through a rough patch, but at the end of the day they are a company creating a product. They have investor backing. Palia is a product, that has real money sales behind it. It may be free-to-play, but that isn't because it is doing charity for us, the free-to-play is a vessel to drive potential customer to its sales, and to help retain current and future customers. That's just how the business is. As such I feel it should be critiqued as a product... and as a product it is sorely lacking. They as a company have failed in the manner they provide and develop the product, and they have failed in the communication and treatment of their customer base.

Not to mention some of the many things they have failed on (i.e. snowballs) is not excusable by "a rough patch".

[raven orbit]

If they're going through a 'rough patch' then they've been going through it since launch...and if that's the case, clearly there needs to be some restructuring or something

[copper warren]

palia had many years of dev time before it released to the general public, and its foundations are about as stable as me when I have to call someone

[pliant path]

this game brings me so much joy but its not fair that i don't even know what i can do that is safe anymore!! and even aspects I think are safe suddenly might not be! im trying to enjoy the market right now but i keep having to take breaks because the character models keep glitching out and flashing and everything keeps messing with me and i just want to enjoy a game that I love and know my and others' concerns are truly being heard and actually taken into account

[raven orbit]

The fact that I played an alpha of a game recently that is more developed and fleshed out than Palia says something. /gen

[copper warren]

we have solo dev indie games made with 0 budget with more server stability

[pliant path]

i'm actually kind of getting upset so im going to grab a snack and breathe for a sec lol

[brisk spruce]

It's upsetting when games start out perfectly acceptable from an individual's standpoint and then constantly adds more things that make it harder/eventually impossible for you to play. Early OB Palia never would have potentially given me a seizure (I'm lucky and know my triggers very well), but the more outfits that get added with flashy effects makes it more difficult and the snowballs starting last year made it impossible. I know the snowballs are fixed now but it HURTS to report it and be ignored for an entire year, and then be told to give them the benefit of the doubt anyway?

[marsh depot]

The fact many other games in alpha/beta that have actual road maps and prioritise bug fixing and taking player feedback over pumping content/cosmetics.

[limpid root]

Corporations aren't your friend in any vague sense of the term. Or a person for that matter. So giving them consideration for 'going through a rough patch'. No thank you.

Doubly so because their choices can and are causing real people serious harm.

[fiery sphinx]

Palia now and Palia in alpha aren't much different. I never thought this game was ready for an open beta, and over a year later, it still isn't.

[copper warren]

my boomer point is that while it had many significant benefits, being able to remotely update and patch games has also been just as deeply harmful to game development, and proof of it is when games ship in this kind of dilapidated state and go far too long without updates to fix it.

[raven orbit]

Agreed. The fact they had beta for a week before soft launching, then insta rushing to Switch release was always a bad choice. It wasn't even close to ready

[brisk spruce]

anyway I didn't sleep so I'm leaving again, I hope everyone has the best day possible.

[copper warren]

imma post a cat in offtopic

[scarlet hazel]

Honestly they had too many chances. I'm tired of not being heard and others outright being put in danger. It's 2025 now and if s6 hasn't even made a step forward in making the disabled community heard, I don't see how I should be fine about being completely ignored....

[raven orbit]

This is why if they are actually hiring a CM, they need to make sure they have some kind of public trelloboard for seeing feedback the team is actively working on. That would be a great step to showing that the empty platitudes aren't actually empty /gen

[raven orbit]

Even the most basic accessibility setting, a brightness slider, we had to fight like hell to get and it still doesn't function as it should

[scarlet hazel]

Certain things, sure. But come on now, they tag their game as inclusive and yet make the game very unfriendly towards those with various disabilities and even to their abled bodies customers (snowball glitch, white screen glitch, the random flashing going between zones and other things)

[plain spade]

Guess who got stuck somewhere again..

[rare pine]

Oh it got active in here....

[pliant path]

got a snack

[scarlet hazel]

Exactly. I'm not going to be thankful cause they half heartedly did something and expect it to be praised. Fine tune the feature so it works properly and work out bugs along the way

[young plank]

I will say in the year or so since i have played i have noticed that the game is slowly breaking more and more and its very noticeable iceberg cracks too.

[pearl wave]

also if we want to talk about accessibility, why they make the lighting so bad (I can barely see what the colors of the cards..), i was afraid that my pc will become white screened due to how brighter its gotten. (Picture for reference, will spoilered so it won't hurt other's eyes)

[raven orbit]

I do genuinely think they're working off spaghetti code or they're having problems merging updates onto the live build. It feels like some people work off an old one and others work off a more updated one

[marsh depot]

Same here. It was decently playable when I started playing around September last year but now, I can't even play for longer than 20 minutes without it crashing, having massive FPS drops or just the world not even loading in properly.

But I guess that's all video card issues /s

[pliant path]

accessibility should be the norm/bare minimum and im tired of feeling like i have to feel grateful for anything that allows me to access things like non-disabled people

the offline world already isn't set up for me. i just want to be able to play a video game safely

[livid lagoon]

I've only played since... July/August, and even in that time period it's apparent there is a very big downhill where it just falls apart more with almost every patch.

[young plank]

pfft

[grizzled mist]

everything post layoffs has been rough

[copper warren]

i get yellow and orange mixed up easily in hotpot because of lighting alone, and I'm not even colourblind

[pearl wave]

sameee

[young plank]

When the back to back layoffs happend and then daybreak snatched it. Palias promises went out the door. (im looking at you fomo.)

[grizzled mist]

so much agree it hurts

[pearl wave]

but nanana, we have to give them benefit of doubt

[young plank]

This is how i see the company at times

[umbral lynx]

It can also just fully black out during the firework show that seems to happen during market

[umbral lynx]

Nå guy they gonna give us a snail all forgiven

[limpid root]

iirc it wasn't as bad before the big lighting change. the outdoor lighting particularly at night changed drastically.

[young plank]

Was meant to be attached LOL

[pearl wave]

i see

[fiery jacinth]

Haha I love the name because I do [NOTpalia partner] for myself. 🤣🤣🤣

[copper warren]

yo we get a SNAIL???

[limpid root]

It's because folks helping in issues-discussion & tech-help have been mistaken for actual S6 support.

[fiery sphinx]

Yeah, they're finally giving us the gaslight snail in the next patch.

[copper warren]

AW MAN is THAT the gastropod they were teasing? that's it? :c

[young plank]

https://tenor.com/view/pepperidge-pepperidge-farm-remembers-remember-gif-15527169458174144495

[copper warren]

as the gastropod god i am deeply saddened we aren't being given more....

[umbral lynx]

yeah all forgiven right
And an additional tint wowzers

[rare pine]

Only ONE???

[fiery sphinx]

Because apparently we're going to trust them if they start giving us all the crap they put in update trailers that wasn't actually in the game.

[copper warren]

I demand two snails (yes only one new tint)

[umbral lynx]

The dev blog used the word an so I assume as much... Plus it's s6

[rare pine]

deep, heavy sigh

[hidden trail]

Respectfully, the weight this message carries from a mod is pretty rough considering how much this channel has struggled with people feeling like they cannot voice their frustrations or speak about the game critically without being chastised for being too harsh or negative and told to give s6 a break, it's only in beta, etc. I'm pretty sure the mod cats in general have been aware of that issue and working to make space for those discussions here since the mod swap, so for this message now to come from a mod of all people feels especially rough. You need to be aware of the weight you carry when you say what we "need" to do here. It feels like you're shutting down discussion.

[fiery jacinth]

Remember that all grown furniture that was shown in the trailer but, never released? When are we getting more of all grown furniture?

[rare pine]

You mean the little gazebo? Yeaaahhh... i wouldn't hold my breath

[lyric night]

yup only one
WC mentioned that it should be the white-ish one
#💬│palia-discussions message

[rare pine]

Hopefully the same shade of white across all the furniture.

[scarlet hazel]

im doubtnig it will be

a lot of the colors dont match most of the furniture rn which stinks

[rare pine]

Yeaahh...

[wispy lance]

I don't want to shut down any type of discussions. I'm just saying my opinion and I'm usually always hopeful and giving chances to everyone, including s6. I want to give them the benefit of a doubt and I want to support them with good vibes. (This is just me I'm not implying everyone should do it). But I want to share my good vibes with all of you and that's why with my messages I was merely traying to hopefully bring calm thoughts.

I'm hoping we get a new CM soon and that our problems will be delivered to s6 more smoothly.
I hope we all get to enjoy palia, and that all the problems will get fixed, but I don't think it's an easy journey, not for them and not for us either.
Sorry if I offended anyone it was definitely not my intention. But I do want to give maybe a final chance and hope for a better Palia Future especially with elderwoods around the corner.

[fiery jacinth]

When they said they were releasing new colours I was so excited! Only to be disappointed for the furniture that SHOULD have gotten the colour change at the very beginning now it’s just able to be recoloured.

[west marlin]

Agreed, very respectfully, that no one needs to do anything, I think the critisim is well earned. And only very recently has things like wc joining chat and that blog post warned them any optimism. I am more hopeful now then in recent months but tbh words need to be backed up with actions which remain to be seen, so if people don't think that's enough I can understand.

[rare pine]

Respectfully, I've been hearing "give them chance," or "give them the BotD" every update since I came in this server.

[wispy lance]

Absolutely. Words do need to be backed by action. And thus I am hopeful and waiting to see it happen.

[hidden trail]

I can definitely understand that sentiment and it's totally fine for you to have it, mod or not. The issue I had with your original message was it was more of a "we need to do this" vs a "I feel this way and I'm going to do this". I just ask that in future messages to keep in mind the way the former reads coming from the authority of a mod.

[limpid root]

This. Thank you. I was trying to find a respectful way to word it.

[hidden trail]

I'm not trying to stamp out anyone's hope here, to be clear, that's just as valid to hold as critique and frustration.

[pearl wave]

when is snail coming? /gen

[fiery sphinx]

.189

[copper warren]

same. come disturb my fishing when it releases

[umbral lynx]

though I've been enjoying webfishing alot again

[fiery jacinth]

I think everyone agrees that S6 needs to do better. But, due to the layoffs I am not seeing much things being done. I remember playing the very first maji market when Chapaa chase was introduced and people complained that it needs to be fixed to make it more fun. They heard us loud and clear and within 2 weeks they increased the spawn rates and spawn points of the chapaas. No one was standing around one area because there was so much chapaas that we can run around freely to capture. Now it feels like we aren’t being heard because I have sent multiple tickets about this and Chapaa chase is getting worst than before. What I’m trying to get at is that we felt heard when Palia first began but, now as time goes on it feels like we are getting ignored again and again by not taking criticism or taking us seriously. We aren’t here to troll because we want to see the game succeed but, there’s so many things missing or not being taken into consideration. I am not going to be complaining about this to someone who isn’t a dev or mod because that won’t change anything. I’d much rather talk to someone on the S6 team but, even then it seems like my requests are being ignored like Ancient Fish focus gain upon capturing it is still the same as alligator gar or beluga sturgeon for the longest time and that hasn’t been fixed considering it’s an epic fish!

[copper warren]

webfishing is what palia aint

[clever cove]

Anyone else’s game repeatedly crashing when you try to start it up? On switch

[marsh depot]

Crashes on the switch are an everyday thing, sadly.

[fading rapids]

Mine 🫠

[clever cove]

Did they fix the prize wheel? I got 4000 tokens on one spin???

[tacit dock]

mine is still 200! what the heck!

[umbral lynx]

4000 or 400?

[azure delta]

I get 4000 on green sometimes. It feels like it should have been the grand prize spot

[clever cove]

4000. I bought 2 snakes with it lol

[umbral lynx]

Thank chu for the reply

[scarlet hazel]

so its even more rng if you get either 400 or 4000... that's so fun wow /s

[umbral lynx]

Ngl I've been clipping mine and just spamming support since they seem unsure on it

[craggy comet]

I like the idea of the bundles on sale but I hate the fact it’ll have a couple suitable outfits for guys and then then 3 female outfits I’ll never wear

[livid lagoon]

There seems to be a very specific system to what you get from the Price Wheel. Ignore the colours (blue on one side of the wheel gives something different from blue on the other side), but each slot gives very specific rewards. That said, they seem to have shifted the jackpot by one square, so normally the reddish square right after the yellow with fireworks is what gives you the actual jackpot (4000 envelopes).

That said, I can't guarantee that there aren't instances where the game desyncs and the colours shift further in rare cases.

I have an infographic I've made about what should give what rewards, just holding off on sending it to get it verified first so there ain't mistakes there

[wispy lance]

Well it's good to know that the jackpot is not actually a 200 envelope reward 😅.

I guess it's just a visual ... Miss placement glitch of the colors. (Or something 😅)

I was sad today when I got the 200 🤣🤣

[brisk spruce]

makes sense to me, I was hitting jackpot too frequently for it to feel right earlier when I played a bit

[scarlet hazel]

why do ppl not read the rules 😭

[proven umbra]

Im sorry didnt meant that way

[copper warren]

i'm sure there was no ill intent behind it

[scarlet hazel]

just be mindful of the rules next time is all. a few have come in here and advertised and then instantly left when they were told about the rule

[copper warren]

i'll be real, the rules are in a teeny tiny text, so it's not exactly legible and lines blend together

[proven umbra]

to be honest i didn't know that it was in the rules so i'll be more careful next time

[copper warren]

#🔖│rules message for reference, it's #7 in this post! (not intending to badger you, but so that you can find the rule quickly and read it for your own understanding c: )

[proven umbra]

yess thank you for helping i saw it

[copper warren]

heck yeah c: and welcome to the gang! good luck on your broadcast

[proven umbra]

thank you thas sweet i discovered palia 4 months ago i guess and i recently knew thats theres a discord so i'm glad to be here

[wet badger]

Does anyone know a way to make the quest text smaller? It's taking up like a quarter of my screen now

[umbral lynx]

sadly not! best bet is to drop some feedback in hopes they let us edit the ui and scaling one day ❤️

[copper warren]

there's no UI resizing settings, sadly

(you'd think there would be)

[wet badger]

Man. I've been playing since the first alpha and this is the first thing to really annoy me

[copper warren]

no, i don't blame you. it takes up 1/4 of the horizontal screen real estate, and i cannot imagine that handheld switch players are having much fun when they already have so limited screen space.

it's a nice change for people with visibility problems, but with no way to resize it, it's immensely distracting and limiting for those who don't need it, or have disabilities that would cause it to disrupt gameplay

and so help you god if you have OCD, you're gonna have a real jumpscare if you have any main story quests. :T the flag icons don't line up and are also varying sizes.

an example of the icons, provided by ValkOrii, spoilered so no one gets set off by the offset or spoiled on some midgame quest info

[scarlet hazel]

idk why they just dont add sliders when they put stuff like this in the game

[copper warren]

it's kind of basic settings, yeah.

also i'm going to repeat that i LOVE the colour changing for the quests, all complaints aside! story quests having the same colour as Epic rarity labels in game indicate importance we can equate to other places in game and is great UI design. the basic quests have the common rarity label colours, and event ones have uncommon rarity label colours!

[umbral lynx]

you mean basic game features? madness

[copper warren]

thats the kind of stuff that i like to see in accessibility; it's naturally implemented so it doesn't alienate people who need it, and offers really good contrast that people can notice easily. granted, i don't have colorblindness so i can't speak to that aligning to colour accessibility standards, but as someone with intense light sensitivity, they're pleasing enough without agitating my vision and giving me eyestrain or headaches.

it's cohesive, it's pleasing, it's just too big and needs to be adjustable on the player side (and the flag icons aligned pretty please) and it's awesome

this has been my professional ted talk about creating strong UIs that communicate effectively, thank you for listening (it's a passion of mine)

[red comet]

Accessibility? On Palia? Palia is only meant for perfectly healthy people with no issues in life

sarcasm

[copper warren]

:3c

[copper warren]

that's what i thought :c

i'm wondering if that space is making room for something upcoming in elderwoods update, but shrug

[deep zodiac]

Sorry but I disagree with this statement it’s not the “limited time”that has us paying customers in an uproar it’s the “exclusive” content! Exclusive means just that you pay for it you have it, just like the chappa stackables, just like premium content aka the outfits, plots, tools and gliders! We pay we have them, do they think it fair that other players don’t have access to them, no I don’t think so. I am not purchasing for the product it comes with, it’s the plushie that enticed me to purchase the product, there for I find it to be a false advertisement on both parts, S6 and Madrinas b/c they both have to sit down and agree on a Colab and their terms hence its call a Colab!

[acoustic tendon]

Anyone know if there is any truth to hidden effects when eating Lucky Braised Fish?

[copper warren]

from my own research, it seems to be superstition

but also that was a couple of months ago

[acoustic tendon]

I did notice a temporary visual change to my Focus bar when eating it, but have not timed yet how long it looked different.

I figured I would try now just due to it being LNY and the wording on the lore.

[copper warren]

yeah, that was observed and testec yesterday, it happens when you have a buff of some sort

you have a fishing buff active in the first one, so that's what's causing it

[fiery perch]

Do you see the active buff when you're in your inventory? You should be able to hover over it. Although, that buff looks more like from someone fishing nearby

[livid lagoon]

Saw this and testing atm 😄

[acoustic tendon]

That is a definite possbility, I had not checked that by itself

[copper warren]

you could try it again when you're alone on home plot

[acoustic tendon]

tried with just a fishermens brew as it was what I had on me and still gave the enlarged focus bar, 😦

[livid lagoon]

Could still have a hidden buff, but it won't expand the focus bar (so not an invisible icon at least)

[austere ginkgo]

Hi does someone have the link for learning text intonations on here? The /gen etc. please and thank you

[fiery perch]

This site is helpful: https://toneindicators.carrd.co
There's a lot there that you probably will rarely see used, but i like linking this because it has a FAQ and lists sources, etc.

[austere ginkgo]

Thank you! You’re a star ⭐

[fiery perch]

Idk if youre mainly thinking about the enlarged focus bar or not, but it seems like that's just something that's visual-thing whenever you get a buff (that has an icon). Doesn't matter what icon/buff it is!

(but yes, as Kresjah said, maybe it does have a hidden buff and stuff. never know!)

[livid lagoon]

Yeah, any buff that adds an icon will lead to focus bar extending. While I doubt that fish has any hidden buff, I figured if it had a buff with an invisible icon it would still extend the focus bar. It could still technically have a buff with no icon at all (as opposed to an invisible one).

To lazy to do a further deep dive into it atm, but that was at least an easy test.

[copper warren]

superstition still goes a long way, if a buff doesn't occur c: there's plenty of times where complaining has resulted in someone suddenly getting a desired result despite there being no correlation

if a fish is what gets you to believe in yourself, by all means, embrace fish

[fiery perch]

whenever i lose something IRL or am looking for something, after a min or so, i'll msg a friend or sibling like, "oh my gosh, I can't find (this)" ... 2 seconds later, i find it and im like "thanks nevermind, just had to call it forth"

[copper warren]

the pure joy of convincing yourself that you're a wizard

[fiery perch]

Pretty much, yeah

That hasn't worked when i have complained about the RNG on palia though. Palias-RNG is something else (for me)

[copper warren]

rng behaves specifically based on what's funniest in that exact moment (not necessarily what's funniest to you)

that's how you get things like people resetting their game when a shiny they've been hunting for ages appears, because it's been so long and their will has been beaten down that the muscle memory is more like a lullaby than a conscious activity

[scarlet hazel]

So the lucky braised fish giving 1k focus is... Temp

[fiery perch]

it's always at least 1k focus, i believe? not temporary.

[scarlet hazel]

It's such a cheaper way of getting focus too. I hope it's still always 1k cause that's really good for the amount of items it needs and they're easy to stock up on

The only issue is the green onion chopping really

[wispy lance]

U can skip a line when chopping

Or more...

[copper warren]

that's honestly one of the nicest things palia does for people

[pliant path]

i love some of the forgiveness with the chopping very kind to me and my brain LMAO

[midnight grail]

can you turn off active quests on the side

[tall tulip]

hellooo I have too many flow trees just sitting, how can i get people to come by and help chop?

[copper warren]

yes, thankfully!

[fiery perch]

You can, thankfully

[austere ginkgo]

My ego makes me try and cut at each interval 😭

[fiery perch]

in the quest log, you can "unpin" them, and it'll stop showing up on the side if you have those quests unpinned!

[grizzled mist]

I had to. The colours and size perpetually in the corner of my eye was giving me a headache. This is the sort of change that requires a slider. Too make alterations that are supposedly done in the name of accessibility have helped some but caused all new problems for others. These things should always be opt in and available in settings.

[midnight grail]

honestly all of the HUD elements should be togglable, that was one of my first critiques of the game

too much stuff. I don't need a daylight sensor and a clock going at the same time

[copper warren]

absolutely agree; accessibility is not one size fits all, and players need to be able to tailor their experiences as needed

[grizzled mist]

There are people who still cannot fish 16 months after an "accessibility" change to fishing. Imagine how much of the game is unavailable to those players.

[midnight grail]

for me it's not about accessibility, it's that all this information was clogging up my screen from all sides, while when i played games like skyrim or minecraft, the HUD was very simple and was very unintrusive

[grizzled mist]

Sliders should have been in the design from the beginning. I have no idea why they weren't part of the plan.

[copper warren]

that too; in that way, your accessibility needs are not needing all of these UI features

[midnight grail]

i can still play it with them in there

thankfully they did shrink them and stuff

[copper warren]

for sure, but accessibility is not strictly for people of different abilities. it's making something usable for as many people as possible, and that includes people perfectly capable of accessing a thing in its current state. if you feel like a UI has 'too much', that is a failing in accessibility

the UI is certainly. a lot.

[midnight grail]

this is not a very good photoshopped job but this is basically what i would want the hud to look like

[copper warren]

i like that a lot; personally it could be broken up a little better, but the focus and exp bar have already been tested and true with kingdom hearts to work really well!

i think it's a really intuitive way of presenting the two main 'bars' the player sees through gameplay, in a manner that takes up the least space but still provides the same information

[fiery perch]

I'm not really sure what i'd prefer, but i just wish there was more customization to it. Especially since everyone is different with what would work best for them.

Like, for me, I don't need my focus bar or anything in a spot where I can see it easier. But I know there are other people (like yourself!) who would prefer it that way. Having the inv/tool bar would def be better more central though, rather than to the side, I think.

I still wisht here was a minimap, because i get lost very easily. And I find it very tedious to continuously open my map.

[midnight grail]

the problem i realized with the hotbar being in the center is how much it cuts off your character model in third person

[pliant path]

id like to be able to shrink it or change the opacity when needed

i like being able to make it like adjustable but i know thats Not reasonable LMAO

[midnight grail]

i feel like maps only work well when you have a second screen, maybe more PC games should have the option of opening up a menu on a second screen

[copper warren]

i'm trying to find a clock UI that i remember seeing once that i really liked how it showed a full day/night cycle without taking too much space, but animal crossing has an awesome track record of clock UIs where it fades out while you're actively doing something, and shows up after 1-2 seconds of idling

[midnight grail]

is there any way i could send this to the devs for feedback or do they not allow screenshots for anything other than bug reporting

[copper warren]

!support there's a feedback section there c:

[opal cypress]

Here's a link to the Player Support: http://support.palia.com/

[copper warren]

if they want a simple clock UI, a "half clock" UI like stardews hybridized with minecraft's rotating clock item could work. have a semicircle that comes off of the side with a static clock hand (that doesn't move) while the times of day rotate like a spinning disc around the center point of the clock UI. that way you can halve the space the current clock takes, and convey the same amount of information

[midnight grail]

you don't even need a daylight clock if you know what the in game time is with the digital clock

knowing it's 6 am is good enough and i don't really look at the daylight clock

[copper warren]

the clock they have is mostly to fit with the more 'dated' technology that palia has in the world, and also some people need to have it

i don't have good temporal awareness, so seeing "oh that's the colour for morning" helps me immensely

[midnight grail]

well for me it just feels like it takes up unneccesary space. do people not understand that 6am is the transition from morning to day?

[copper warren]

yes, but you're you, and they're them

[fiery perch]

Well, sometimes it's also the inbetween "night and day" as well. The dawn/dusk!

[copper warren]

i'm presenting optional ideas, not a set in stone absolute tthing that must be

[fiery perch]

Those little windows are what i forget, personally and not really pay attention to the time.

I'm sure there's a better way to have it known/visible than the way it is now, tho. idk what it'd be ofc, but yea