🌱│gardening

[clear kindle]

needs to be present at every growth tic (6am palia time) in order to get the full effect, if it's not there the chance of the fert working decreases. you can stack fert up to 99 at a time

[untold rune]

Alright thank you ❤️

[neat vortex]

Isn't that the same as the one you shared in the screenshot? (i.e., the one I was riffing on)

[vernal compass]

Hi, I’ve finished all of the gardening quests, including Gardening 101, but I don’t see any option to buy soil to expand my garden. It looks like I’ve reached the limit in Badruu’s shop, and Zeki doesn’t have it either. Am I missing a step, or is there something else I need to do?

[nocturne yarrow]

9 is the limit

[mint sandal]

Oh, that's one of mine! Yeah, if you're gettings weeds on your trees you either made a mistake while planting or you're getting a bug cause the layout is 100% weedblock
#🌱│gardening message

[crude mulch]

I changed it a little bit

[blazing jay]

is turning all produce into worms after processing to sell for more still a good idea?

[neat vortex]

For most preserves, I would say no. There are better things you could use your worms to process, like cheap forage, or even excess eggs and milk from your ranch.

I personally feed my pickled onions to regular worms, since they gain 23g apiece, and that's high enough to be worth the crafter slot, particularly since my garden layout is weird and uses a lot of fertilizer (so I use it).

Everything else gains well under 20g each (other than blueberry jam, but that stalls out quickly and isn't a good source of profit in the first place).

[blazing jay]

awesomke ty

[brave epoch]

anyone have a layout geared towards bean burgers?

[mint sandal]

I think my current layout could work for that. You could swap one or more of the bushes for more beans, and switch around the rice and wheat so you get more wheat, and either replace all the carrots with onions or switch the onions and carrots around so you get more onions
#🌱│gardening message

[halcyon ivy]

My "I can't even be bothered to harvest the garden every day" layouts I am thinking of moving to. I literally can't justify spending the time to come back and tend this stuff for every little crop that matures and here am just aiming for the stuff that has the highest profit per gather, while leaning on Harvest Fertilizer since it's just a byproduct of making worms for me and my fishing proclivities

Probs going with the left one just so I have ingredients for other recipes I work with frequently enough and to not absolutely over-consume the harvest fert

Might replace one of those non-pumpkin 2x2s depending on how consumption of fertilizer goes

Just wanna find a good balance for that throughput for a garden I can forget about frequently and still make decent money on lol

Hmmmm I could actually tweak it a touch to make the smaller crops more efficient now that I look at it

[supple stone]

I'll be honest, I can tell those are apples, but nothing else really
Do you not like the garden planner? https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/
It also helps by showing the buffs on everything

[halcyon ivy]

Eh I forget to do that when sharing; I do all of the buff applications and such in my head and find it more stimulating to use a spreadsheet and keeping brainy engaged w that lmao

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-O.YAABkAAPAA-APO.WABtBtABtBt-O.WPCbA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-OPO.WBk.YAAOAA-RP.YO.WABBABB-A.HA.HA.HPPmPmO.WPmPm-PAACbPmPmO.WPmPm-APO.WPPmPmO.WPmPm_NrL50

Here is the garden planner version for ease of access for folks

Great option if you have Harvest Fert from getting worms and just want a garden you can remember once every several days while making max profit for those occasional visits

Also makes me wonder about that breakdown I saw someone do about preserving... why were pumpkins omitted from calculations??? 50G increase for only 32m in the jar O.o

Maybe it's because they're so obviously superior...

In any case, excited to implement this once I finish my last big harvest :) should accommodate not just my tendency to forget about it but with how Ima be working for a few hours here and there and the crops will max my time AFK hehe

[supple stone]

Pumpkins are, by a HUGE margin, the least profitable of all crops
Selling Bok Choy without any processing is better than them on a per-tile basis

You get such a low yield that the high sell price per pumpkin just cannot make up for it

[halcyon ivy]

Interesting

[supple stone]

DuhScape uses a 6 apple layout, similar reasoning to what you're going for tbh
It does use a lot of HB fert though

[halcyon ivy]

But they require attention every 3 days and more intensive buff management, whereas this aim of this construction was "I'll check on these maybe once every 10 in game days"

There are definitely better options for someone who wants to come tend the garden every 1-3 days but I can't be bothered to do that personally

Especially if it's work keeping me from doing it

I like to hyperfocus on building (I know I know, I'm literally on the plot already) or whatever out and about tasks I am on

Having to come back to click on a few squares every RL hour just isn't fun or even always realistic for me

I am curiosu about that 6 apple layout though

Curious*

Though yeah the fert thing might be a breaking point for me

Now since I'm in numbers mode Ima mess with 5 and 6 apple variants lmao

[supple stone]

You seem to be having fun with playing about yourself, but if you get to the point where you want me to link it, just let me know

[halcyon ivy]

I'd love to reference it

I'm probs halfway to finishing one/the 5 apple variant lmao

[supple stone]

#🌱│gardening message

[halcyon ivy]

I totally neglected to even consider non 3x3, which is a shame cause I was adamant about non 3x3 arrangements when I started lmao

I could just do max apple strip then for 7 all munching harvest fert...

and honestly if I am doing away with my preserving bins since it's 7 apples I am really just worried about... Barely even need seed makers....

I could go back to my 10 worm farm setup that would probably make it feasible

GUESS WE'LL SEE lmao

[supple stone]

I would still recommend preserving bins for the apples!

[halcyon ivy]

Yeah but the throughput isn't quite as necessary for those, especially depending on how frequently I harvest

Versus trying to do it for every tomato and blueberry while max harvesting

[halcyon ivy]

I feel like I can sense my middle school geometry teacher scolding me over my shoulder as I tinker with these designs lmfao

If only I had a more intuitive sense for this

but at least I find it entertaining to tinker with it

Yeah okay basic math, I get it, deviating from the fundamental strip pattern never yields a more efficient layout lmao

Basic layouts though. Top one getting one un-HvF apple plot to work in some amount of HvF innate to the layout for them.

.....Though really for just maxing apples I would simply do a harvest boost grain instead of weedblock for the whole pattern and simply have my excess harvest fert for... whatever lol Though that would entail less useful grains in place of onions/bok choy as well. I'll probs take the small hit on the one apple plot, get more profitable side crops, and make use of the harvest fert

and should I play so little I don't even need worm farms, I can swap to the lower one to keep efficiencies up. EZPZ

Oh dip I think I set these up with an extra 3x3 lmao

Criminey...

[supple stone]

Yeah, that looks like 10 soil plots, oops

[halcyon ivy]

Thankfully with the math mathed out retooling it for 9 is simple

Actually removes the issue with the HV down apple n such making use of the space while hitting apple cap

Alas, I am not some sleeper gene-yuss who figured out the 7 apple hack

and this has probs been posted already lol

I might be able to rework the bottom right corner for something but math brain is saying goodbye as the adderall wears off lmao

[steady canyon]

How do star seeds work? Do they give star crops?

[halcyon ivy]

Huzzah, obsessive math brain can rest

[supple stone]

Additional 25% star crop chance

[halcyon ivy]

And if I am inferring correctly, star seed + 25 gardening skill = 100% star crop chance?

[supple stone]

#🌱│gardening message
Full star chance formula here

[halcyon ivy]

Ayyyy

[supple stone]

Correct.
At level 38 you can even use unstarred seeds and be guaranteed star crops

[blazing jay]

I assume best fertiliser is either speedy or harvest boost, what vegetable/crop is the best for that? And should it be peserved beforehand?

[supple stone]

Harvest Boost and Quality Up fertilisers are the only ones you can get from worm farms.
Harvest Boost tends to be more useful unless at a low gardening level, and is made with (in general) savoury foods in the worm farm (and Quality Up is sweet foods). There are a fair number of exceptions to this savoury/sweet rule though.
Higher the value of the food you put in, the higher the amount of fertiliser you get out.
If you want a lot of fertiliser quickly, things like grilled fish (using fish caught with glow worms especially) or food from profit-focused cooking parties can be very effective. Generally these produce harvest boost, though cakes do produce quality up.
You can also use cheap forage/meat for a steady source of fertiliser

But if you are using the produce from your garden for the worm farms, then yes, definitely preserve stuff first.
Corn is decent, even gets 2 glow worms per transaction in a glow worm farm.

Speedy grow is bugged and as a result only available through gardening medals. We don't recommend using it.

[blazing jay]

I’m level 30 in gardening so I’ll probably use harvest boost, been gone for awhile so things have changed a little thank you!

[supple stone]

Oh yeah, I'd definitely say don't bother with quality up then 😄

[night tundra]

Is the garden soil bugged for anyone? I can't move it around

[floral talon]

u cant move is multi tile plants are across more then one soil

[night tundra]

Its empty soil

[floral talon]

did u try to move it or pick it up?

[night tundra]

Both

[clever blade]

Im still getting weeds 🙁 Ive changed out some crops (like changed to a different crop but same weedblock type), shouldnt matter right?

made sure that same type arent next to eachother too

[mint sandal]

Wait, what do you mean by that? Do you mean the same crop or same buff? Cause if you don't put same buffs next to each other you will get weeds and unwatered tiles

[clever blade]

for example changing these 2 potatoes into napa cabbage

in my logic it shouldnt change any buffs

[mint sandal]

Oh yeah, no, that shouldn't matter as long as it's the same buff. It sounds like your garden is bugged

[clever blade]

yeah i might just have to start it all over

[mint sandal]

Dumb question but are all your soil plots actually linked together or just very close to each other? Like, when you placed them down did they all snap in place together? Cause if not it might be why you're getting weeds

[clever blade]

they are all snapped together

ive had this for a month no problems, i play everyday

i changed out some of the rice with corn, cos i wanted to pickle

[mint sandal]

Well then idk, layout is 100% weedblock so you definetely shouldn't be getting weeds in it. If you're 100% sure you planted eberything in the right spot it might be worth a bug report

[clever blade]

idk i might have miscalculated somewhere

imma tripple check

[neat vortex]

When you Examine the plot, do the problem tiles have the buffs they should?

(forget if you said previously)

[mint sandal]

I don't think it came up, at least not with me

But good call

[clever blade]

in fact something is off

but im unable to take a screenshot in game grrr

[mint sandal]

Something is off as in you placed something in the wrong spot or something that should be buffed isn't? Or something else?

[clever blade]

see the potato and tree is not weedblock, i dont see the problem here 🙁

AM BLIND, i see the problem now, i accidentally planted cabbage instead of pak choy

[neat vortex]

whoops!

[clever blade]

sorry 😂

[mint sandal]

Yeah, cause you didn't follow the buff pattern, tou planted a cabbage instead of a bok choy next to the blueberry and potato

[neat vortex]

Glad you were able to figure it out :D

[clever blade]

yea that one was a mistake not on purpose lol

[mint sandal]

Mystery solved lol

[clever blade]

oke everything looks good now, it was just that one.

[neat vortex]

There IS a bug some players have been running into where certain tiles just won't stay (e.g) watered DESPITE showing the buff and everything else being correct

[clever blade]

yeepee ☺️

[neat vortex]

and not multi-harvest ones either

[mint sandal]

Huh, weird

[neat vortex]

Yeah, it was haunting my friend and getting her up the wall. She called me over to her plot and I inspected everything myself, we watered the whole garden together, double checked the buffs. Growth tick occurred, and some of them were unwatered and hadn't progressed a stage like the rest 🤷

as if they hadn't been watered in the first place

[mint sandal]

That's so weird, hopefully I don't encounter that bug cause I leave my garden for days before coming back for harvest

[tropic frigate]

Greetings! does anyone use an everything garden with cotton? Having trouble finding one that's updated for elderwood

[nocturne yarrow]

I’ve been using this for a few months now. All the seeds in game, it is helpful or you’re looking for a specific garden layout, I’m sure someone will share

[tropic frigate]

this is perfect actually. I just wanted a steady supply of cotton Thanks a bunch

[mint sandal]

That's cause it's pretty much pointless to grow cotton past level 25 gardening, so most layouts you'll see won't have cotton in them. You can generally swap some grain tiles (corn, rice and wheat) to use cotton instead, you'll just lose some harvest boost buffs in doing so

[karmic bluff]

is there an easier way of filling a square with maximum fertiliser instead of clicking multiple times, for one application at a time?

[floral talon]

yeya but its an autoclicker they shoudl add dump everythign down QOL
although be carefull to not hit 99 fert as it can glitch into non existence

[karmic bluff]

Argh thanks for the reply, I think I have an autoclicker set up on my mouse, just need to check

[floral talon]

do have to use a sufficient delay as the game has a inputs delay

[neat vortex]

Clicking too much hurts my hands, so I bound "use action bar item" to a key on my keyboard, as an alternative (can use any finger or part of my hand as needed to press it)

That said, once you have your garden filled, you can just top it up every few growth ticks. Better to store the fertilizer in the soil than in your storage, imo

[floral talon]

8k fert in soil or in storage lmao

[karmic bluff]

I thought I was bad wtih 2K...

[neat vortex]

81 x 99 I guess XD

[neat vortex]

re: disappearing fertilizer, I still am curious what causes this, because I think I've been incredibly lucky on two different characters with multiple fertilizer-heavy layouts (and I always stack the fertilized tiles to 99)

7 or 8 hundred gardening levels worth of growth ticks between them

[floral talon]

its some memory saving issue

[lusty rune]

It took a long while to do this and it didn't have room for the 919 pumpkins in storage but! I made around 100 star quality seed packet of every individual produce item and grew every single one out these were the end of the results of my personal challenge of using the seed packets going to convert some back into seeds other into preserved jars and some into food items finally going to "seed" the results of how much gold this will make afterwards updates will be made at a later time but hope Badruu is "budding" with approval

[neat vortex]

Fun pic! Cracking up at:

• peppers
• BEANS
• wow pumpkins really only produce about as many items per seed as tomatoes, and they take 1.5x longer and 4x as much space to do so — for less than 3x as much money per item 😬

[lusty rune]

I am aware but was still stubborn enough to finish my personal challenge and how amusing it would be at the end xD

[neat vortex]

Oh, I know, this was clearly a "because I can" project and I love that :D

It was just funny to see it illustrated right there in piles of fruit and vegetables

instead of in a spreadsheet

[lusty rune]

yup!

[neat vortex]

Which was the last crop that you finished?

[lusty rune]

Two blueberry bushes once they were able to be harvested the last time I arranged everything so it could be easy to see in the screenshot

[neat vortex]

Nice

Anything else you took away from the experience?

[lusty rune]

hmm it was worth it for the "sprouting" puns that could be made

[neat vortex]

XDDD

[lusty rune]

Sorry if the grammar wasn't correct I am dyslexic lol

[latent ivy]

I still grow cotton to craft fabric. Should I just be buying fabric? Have I been wasting money? 😭

[mint sandal]

It's not a big difference but yeah, at a certain point it's less costly to buy fabric than to turn your cotton into seeds to sell. If you consistently produce star quality cotton instead of regular when gardening, it's time to buy your fabric instead

[latent ivy]

Oh at this point I only produce star quality cotton and it's kind of annoying. 🤣 Thanks for the tip!

[lusty rune]

If you decide to grow occasional cotton rather than buying with it being both regular and starred quality it will give the option of what you decide to use but if you decide to buy the cotton/fabric from there respective shops and want a steady income to do so I recommend you growing star quality batterfly beans to change into their seed packets because you can make the most income that way with a continual and steady income that can help with the gold prices on varying items

hope that can help some how

[calm knoll]

Ayeeee you did it!!

[lusty rune]

[neat vortex]

On Cotton

I would argue that there is essentially no (gold-related) reason NOT to prefer to buy your fabric. Taking up your limited garden space with cotton may not actually save you money, and may in fact cost you money depending on your crop choices and gardening level.

Even at very low gardening levels, you can "grow" more fabric per tile per growth tick by planting bok choy. Unstarred bok choy, sold raw without processing, produces more gold in the same amount of time than what you save by growing cotton and looming it.

Once you start getting mostly starred crops back, any of the top cash crops (bok choy, potatoes, rice, tomatoes) will produce more fabric per tile per growth tick (as money to buy fabric) than growing cotton.

Lastly, while it's true that the QualityUp buff can be moderately useful at lower levels, by level 8ish gardening, you gain more benefit from harvest boost instead. The QualityUp fertilizer recipe unlocks early now (level 2), so it can be used to strategically buff your crops when you really need consistent star quality results (e.g., for cooking parties).

It ultimately comes down to preference and priorities: some people prefer to be more self-sufficient and grow all of their own materials! From a purely monetary perspective, however, growing cash crops, buying your fabric, and skipping cotton-growing entirely is an economically viable choice.

P.S. There also aren't any accomplishments for growing cotton like there are for all the other crops!

(numbers to be edited in later when I'm not starting a cooking party any second lol)

[lusty rune]

If anyone needs star quality food help I have plenty to use to help just need to let me know just tell me what crops you need me to bring

[ebon oriole]

does harvest boost stack? like if i put a tomato next to rice and then also use harvest boost will i get more than just doing 1 of those things?

[pale reef]

I have seen others say the fertilizer won’t be consumed if the crop already has the boost from neighboring crops

[supple stone]

Indeed, no stacking. You either have the buff or you don't. And what Ari said is correct

[ebon oriole]

thanks

[teal yew]

Has anyone had an issue with their garden NOT growing? I primarily play on PC, but also tried my Switch and crops do not grow. They are stuck at sprouts. Sometimes if I’m on my plot at 6am, they’ll go to the next stage, but if leave the plot or switch plots, they’re back to sprouts when I return. Any fertilizer applied also reverts back. It’s been about 4 or 5 days, irl.

[floral talon]

do u have some decorative soil with 9 weeds somewhere

[teal yew]

Yes, I do. Is that the issue?

[floral talon]

yeay its a bug if u got 9 weeds ur crops travel back in time after growing ... im serious btw
i even reported this and they were like ur supposed to weed ur weeds

[teal yew]

OMG, that’s ridiculous. I did submit a ticket and they suggested that the date/time wasn’t synchronized on my computer… except that it is synced.
I’ve had the plot of weeds for a very long time though, so is this a new thing???

[solar quail]

Is there a way to ehm... un-till soil?

[pale reef]

Idk but 48 irl hrs is when it un-tills itself

“Um… you’re supposed to… weed… your weeds…?” I giggled

[solar quail]

Oh well, I'll just plant some onions and wait then... annoys me that my tilled plots aren't synced.

[floral talon]

Takes a while to get 9 weeds on it

[teal yew]

True, I did get it to happen faster by applying weed block to the crops I wanted to grow. But when I say “a long time”, I mean at least 6 months, maybe closer to a year.

Ultimately, I guess it doesn’t matter. Thank you for your help!!!

[floral talon]

this only took me 2 weeks of testing to figureo ut how it works exactly

[neat vortex]

The only thing you can do is wait the 48 real-life hours for it to untill itself, though you can grow crops on it in the meantime — as long as you don't re-till it out of habit (guess why I'm warning about this lol)

[solar quail]

I was lucky, I left to buy some regular onion seeds and when I returned it wasn't tilled anymore.

[broken ridge]

I'm having a hard time getting any regular quality crops, probably due to leveling up gardening. Do I have to buy all the regular veggies I need from now on or is there a way to grow more of the regular quality?

[pale reef]

#🌱│gardening message

I’m I think just under lvl 30, use unstarred seeds almost exclusively, and haven’t seen any unstarred produce in quite a few harvests at this point

[nocturne yarrow]

I think once you reach gardening level 25, you only get starred seeds

[neat vortex]

Rather, it's that starred seeds 100 percent guarantee starred crops at level 25+. (At 38+ it's 100 percent starred crops from unstarred seeds as well.) It's a smooth increase, though, not a sharp jump at those numbers.

[neat vortex]

You CAN buy regular versions of everything but fruits and peppers, but there really isn't any reason to do so - they're very expensive, more than the star quality crops after processing. Just check Use Starred Ingredients when cooking, and if you have other starred ingredients you want to not use, put them in your lockbox. If you don't have something in star quality, it will use the unstarred versions.

(no reason other than to be able to fill requests or handle accidents at cooking parties when someone starts a recipe without checking the checkbox, lol - then the unstarred stuff saves the day)

[plucky charm]

It's been forever since I've played and been in the Discord, but I just wanted to say... I tried giving the Gardener a Bahari bee that I caught, and he told me he had NO USE FOR IT and to get it out of his sight. I thought it was hilarious considering bees are important pollinators.

[neat vortex]

lol yeah, I'm finding he only wants insects when they're HIS idea XD (i.e., weekly wants)

His always-accepted, everyday gifts are rather direct: ||seeds (crops and trees) and fertilizer lol||

[plucky charm]

Our ancient baby robot has so much to learn about his new oneness

[rain rivet]

its not letting me untill the soil...WHY

[neat vortex]

The only thing that untills soil plots is time. I takes 48 real hours since it was last tilled for soil to revert to its original state.

[rain rivet]

i just wanna move it to another plot T_T

[little wedge]

can anyone refer me to a sheet on how much worm does an item gives

[neat vortex]

Check the pins, and the wiki also has the formulas :)
Some items added don't follow the expected sweet vs savory pattern: canned beans use the sweet pattern, piksii berries the savory one, for example

Worm yield increases as a function of the item's sell value only

[broken ridge]

Thanks for the info! I had no idea unstarred versions are used if I run out of the starred ones, that is useful

[little wedge]

wait i just realized, worms/glowworms both give out either qualityup/harvestboost fertilizer? it all depends on sweet/savory?

[fallow knot]

Hi! On the Gardening Maths spreadsheet, conclusions section, what does 'With growthtime taken into account' and 'Without growthtime taken into account' mean?

[pale minnow]

Could someone please tell me if this a good crop layout? My priority is batterfly beans specifically starred ones while at the same growing other crops. Please let me know if u guys think i should swap out certain crops or entirely scrap this layout

[strong pewter]

Someone had recommended me this one and it's working well

Depending on your farming lvl tho, you may not get starred crops all the time (I'm not sure how that works, just know it's related to the lvl)

[true spruce]

does fertilizer stack? as in, if a tile gets a harvest boost from an adjacent plant, will adding HarvestBoost to the square do anything?

[floral talon]

if it gets the buff from plants it wont use fert as it already has the buff

[true spruce]

thanks

[neat vortex]

Is this Arenvanya's sheet in the pins?

[fallow knot]

yep!

[neat vortex]

"with growth time taken into account" means that those conclusions are based on Arenvanya's calculations using gold produced by the garden per real life minutes (which also assumes you garden at every growth tick around the clock and have 100 percent crafter uptime)

As opposed to purely per-crop values, which doesn't account for how slowly or quickly you grow them

I personally prefer "per growth tick" calculations instead of per RL time, since playtime AND gardening consistency are major limiting factors for most players

[slow flame]

Folks, I'm looking for a good afk layout for cotton and another for apples for my fiancee. Can anyone recommend any?

[copper aspen]

Does anyone have suggestions for a layout with harvest boost where I’m able to farm fruit, and the main cooking ingredients? (Such as wheat, tomatoes, onions, peppers, etc). It doesn’t need to have everything I just want to maximize and be able to use everything I grow pretty often.

[neat vortex]

How many apple trees would your fiancee like, and are there any other crops they're looking for?

re: cotton - #🌱│gardening message
(TL;DR: it is my opinion that it is not necessary to grow cotton because you get more fabric in less time and tiles by growing cash crops)

However, you can generally weave cotton into any AFK layout in place of grain tiles, at the cost of their harvest boost buff

[fallow knot]

thank you! 🙂

[slow flame]

Thank you for the tip about cotton, l'll consider just buying it then, or growing in place of my rice or corn once in a while.

My fiancee wants as many apple trees as she can have in an afk layout. And the other crops she'd be interested in are bok choy and blueberries

[quick mist]

Is Pumpkins with Harvest Booster bugged? I only get 2 pumpkins each now.

[slow flame]

why is the yellow bush called red?

[supple stone]

I think a bunch of the bushes have the wrong colour tbh. I think blue is black and pink might be purple (or the other way round). I'm not much of a decor person, so can't say for certain which ones are bugged, but some are.

[supple stone]

Was the harvest boost buff on the pumpkins every in-game day?

[neat vortex]

Even though you don't strictly need to grow everything, any "everything" layout can (likely) be adapted to grow a given subset of crops by swapping the crops you don't need for their same-buff synonyms. As long as there is a minimum amount of diversity so the crops are still getting all the buffs from their neighbors, it shouldn't be an issue.

The main thing is to find one that has the number of trees and bushes you will want.

[neat vortex]

The maximum afk apples without bought fertilizer is 5, and the maximum without having to put harvest boost fertilizer on the trees is 4. However, adding blueberries complicates things somewhat. Is she planning to host cake parties?

If she ONLY plans to harvest the apples and blueberries and is willing to leave the other tiles unharvested, then Sylvablade's 4-tree, 4-bush pinwheel could work well. If she full AFK coverage for the whole plot, then that's a little more complex and again will come down to the number of trees and bushes needed.

I'm not able to go searching for layouts today, so I apologize for the lack of follow-up; hopefully someone else will be able to help you find what you need, if searching the channel doesn't turn it up

[floral talon]

just ping duhscape if u need a layout

[night tundra]

Soil is still bugged, can't move it anywhere beside the middle of the plot, anywhere else the game tells me that there's something in the way when there's nothing

[slow flame]

She doesn't really care about the blueberries, she said it would just be nice. The main focus is the apples and being completely afk

@floral talon hey, I'm in need of an afk layout for apples. Bok choy and blueberries would be nice too if it fits, but the only priority is apples and being afk

[clear kindle]

did someone say afk apples?

the first one is bush/tree afk, you would still need to tend to the other crops if you plan on harvesting them. if you're only going to harvest the apples/blueberries/beans (beans give the same buff as blueberries so they can be interchanged with no loss to the layout) then the other crops can be ignored after planting (unless you want the aesthetic of the grown crop). the second one is completely afk with the help of harvest boost fert in the spots that show the fert symbol.

[slow flame]

Thank you!

[neat vortex]

By "the middle of the plot" do you mean the geometric center of the plot, or just a narrow area? Is it possible that any of your bundle reward statues are within, oh... 15ish meters of where you are trying to place the soil? Those furnishings for some reason have an absolutely enormous hitbox, especially the kitsuu and the silverwing.

[proper crypt]

hey everyone! im still pretty much a noob when it comes to certain things in the game and was wondering if this would be a good layout? I was trying to go for all water retain on all crops since I have a full schedule most of the time and would like for my crops to continue to growing while I'm not playing

[hasty belfry]

is there a way to unplant

[neat vortex]

Equip the hoe, aim at the plant you want to destroy, then hold either right click or whatever key usually lets you swap ammo/bait until the health bar depletes fully. You do NOT get the seed back.

[hasty belfry]

dang ok thanks

[oak zephyr]

iirc crops grow when you are online only (someone correct me if im wrong)

[supple stone]

Well, it certainly has the full water buff.
What gardening level are you? Considering you have peppers in that layout but no other bush, guessing less than 8?
If higher than 8 or so, you would likely get better benefit from harvest boost crops rather than quality up.
And honestly, I'm a big fan of harvest boost buff in general.

Your garden will not grow more than one growth tick when you are offline btw
The way it works is that each crop needs a certain number of ticks to grow fully, and every 6am in-game time, your garden gets a growth tick if you were online at all the last hour, even for only a minute.

Other notes on the layout:

1. Spicy peppers are really not profitable. But they're ok if you're needing the quality buff
2. You could reduce the number of water retain crops you have by reducing them to pairs (eg one tomato with 1 potato). You could then alternate this with other pairs of different buff crops to get more buffs on more crops
3. Linked to the above, but it would be useful to have a different weed crop next to all those carrots

I don't know if you want to try working on your layout yourself or just be given one, so for now I've just given tips. If you want a layout, you could search bullseye or confetti in this channel, both have similar goals to what you seem to have in afk friendly and no fertiliser (just bullseye doesn't have quality up)

[proper crypt]

Thanks for the tips! I ended up searching for an even better layout and im just afking so that it can grow :p thankfully it has a high growth boost, water and weed buff too which im assuming is a good thing

[supple stone]

That's basically the bullseye layout 🙂

And weed buff is also useful, as weeds can make your garden out of sync if you miss them, which can be rather annoying haha. So afk focused gardens tend to focus getting it and water retain to 100% and harvest boost as high as possible.
But glad you found a layout 🙂

[night tundra]

That was exactly the problem, the bundles were too close. Thank you so much, I haven't thought of that!

[ebon oriole]

oki a friend wanted an easy to remember and implement max afk apple tree layout, so i did this lmao. do you guys have any suggestions?

[clear kindle]

it works so long as you can keep up with the harvest boost fertilizer on the apple trees (which is missing from the layout btw)

[ebon oriole]

they know to use that lol, i didnt add it in cause it would just confuse them

[floral talon]

yes i got a better idea

[ebon oriole]

Thanks I'll send this to them!! but they ended up doing rows of 1 crop - bok choy,apple, tomato, apple, bok choy

[floral talon]

that works but hten u gotto baby sit it

[ebon oriole]

Eh it works for them

Who am I to judge

[floral talon]

hey if thats hte best layout for ur friend they can do that

[ebon oriole]

Yeee

I mean.... It atleast beats the tomato monoculture they had

[floral talon]

ur friend had adhd doesnt he

[ebon oriole]

Lmao no, thats me actually. they just don't give a damn, they prefer the more active stuff

[floral talon]

yeay max dopamine tomatoe hardcore

[proper crypt]

i finally reached level 8 and unlocked some things, is there an upgraded layout I could use? :3

[supple stone]

Bullseye is one of the best layouts if you want good profit, minimal fertiliser, full water retaining and weed block.
If you want other crops for cooking, you can add in the 2x2s near the corners with no downsides - but this does need some harvest boost fertiliser to keep the corner 5 crops harvest boosted when it's a pumpkin/spicy pepper not bean/blueberry
#🌱│gardening message for how you can adapt it

If you want to be able to grow one of everything at the same time, Astrea has a great list of everything gardens here: #🌱│gardening message
By definition, they produce less profit though

Or if you're looking for anything in particular, just say

[proper crypt]

omg tysmm!

[knotty sparrow]

is the complete bokchoy field still good

[mint sandal]

Some of mine still give a good amount of profits, I can usually make around 15k per harvest by seeding and preserving with my most recent one (plus 400-500k from rice by going to epic sushi/sashimi parties usually once a week). Ofc it takes time to process it all but it fits my casual player playstyle perfectly, definetely might not be the best for players who play a lot more often then I do

[neat vortex]

Yes, just very labor intensive and has trouble living up to its full potential unless you have very little playtime, since you end up with a bok choy backlog

It's ideal for some circumstances, though

mostly short bursts lol

[short hound]

Can someone show me a layout that has butterfly beans? But I want a totally afk layout

[mint sandal]

I have a couple here #🌱│gardening message and I have my most recent here #🌱│gardening message
I make all my layouts 100% water/weedblock so you can plant it, forget it, and harvest when you remember your garden exists

[short hound]

I see yours only has 1 batterfly plant tho

[mint sandal]

(Also I love your pfp. I don't play Silksong but Sherma is all over my yt shorts and that bug is just adorable )

[mint sandal]

You can replace any bushes with beans. I also have 1 or 2 layouts that have 6 bushes, 4 of which are harvest boost ones

[short hound]

How far up is the 6 stack one?

[mint sandal]

It's in the 1st post I linked, which is a compilation of my everything gardens. They're all described there

[short hound]

I found a plot with 8 plants imma use thank you tho

[mint sandal]

Np

[supple stone]

I would say all gardens can produce good profit, but including one of every crop will undoubtedly reduce potential profit compared to using mainly cash crops.
Your layouts are great, and I'm not disputing that at all 🙂

[split egret]

For a more comprehensive list of growth time, sell values, and the net and gross profits of seeds... download for your own copy and the ability to sort the items by alphabetical order (this also updates the numbers from negative to positive, if you want it sorted by sell value)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1InKQhrmZXZvsbG236uQoU6r-wLc2LG3eKOsbHR3XL34/edit?usp=sharing

[neat vortex]

This is ignoring the preserves jar, yes?

Also, if your data is formatted as a Sheets table, even view-only users can sort and filter the table without affecting the base sheet (filter views) :D No need to download or copy it.

Hmm, something isn't looking right with the wheat seeds profit 🤔

Ah, yeah, you've got the crop-to-seeds ratio backwards (it's 1 wheat to 4 seeds). Tomatoes are also backwards (3 tomatoes in, 2 seeds out)

Who said "there's no use for starred cotton as you can't make starred fabric"? (Cotton as seeds used to be a popular cash crop, once upon a time.)

Oh, upon a reread, I think(?) I see what you're advocating; it's to replant ALL of your cotton seeds (1 cotton -> 3 seeds -> 3 cotton plants -> 6-9 cotton) and then... sell them as cotton? Did I get that right?

[split egret]

its more just many people are still seeing seeds as a major source of income, whereas thats just not accurate, anymore, and clearly showing why! Thank you for catching that

i fixed the error on the 1:4 ratio for the wheat

[neat vortex]

Can you say more about how you are working that out?

[split egret]

is there a part youre specifically confused at? I highlighted how yes you can still recieve a net benefit from seeds but the benefit is easily outweighed by the benefits of actually using the seeds

[neat vortex]

If we had unlimited growing space, that would make sense, but we only have 81 tiles. Once you have more than 81 seeds, that's more than you can plant at once, even if you're monocropping. At what point do you decide to sell instead of seeding and replanting?

And, when you sell your (excess) crops, in what form do you do so?

Has somebody been arguing that you should seed your crops, sell ALL the seeds, and then buy seeds to replant?

Because that would be pretty silly!

[split egret]

Homeslice has anyone ever told you that youre a little frustrating?

Theres plenty of posts when you google it that say you should place your tomato plants, cotton plants, and apples to seed. Now, at least if youre going to decide to seed all your crops and sell them that way, you absolutely can, while actively considering the cost of each thing, both considering the value of crop used and not! its a resource and if you dont like it, dont use it.

[neat vortex]

I apologize, it wasn't my intent to frustrate you, but apparently I failed at conveying what I was trying to convey. I hope you'll stick around anyway despite the hard landing

[supple stone]

Here, we don't recommend seeding tomatoes, cotton or apples except for replanting (well, cotton we don't recommend much at all)
There's a lot of miscommunication on the mechanics of this game in general, but in this channel we do try to put those misconceptions to rest

But best money maker (if not cooking partying to get rid of your produce) is Bok Choy as seeds and selling the seeds. By a LARGE margin...Even when accounting for putting aside seeds to plant

Heck, my calculations of what crops are best for profit take into account seeding enough to replant before processing and selling the produce

[split egret]

more than that to be honest, the intention is to make an easy comprehensive list thats easily navigatable; something you cannot find currently on either of the wikis. this is something where you can sort pretty much everything

[neat vortex]

That IS very cool

[split egret]

its definitely degrading when someone shows up after you take hours to put together something comprehensive simply for the use of yourself and potentially others and the response comes across a little like -well thats not for this exact use so its been done wrong-. I hope you can use it! if its not for you maybe you can make something better 🙂

[supple stone]

Umm...I'm sorry, but I don't see how Ren was saying that.
Seeding is only half of your options for processing crops, and often the sub-optimal way for many crops.
Maybe it's because I'm familiar with Ren, but everything he said came across as trying to understand your choices and giving constructive criticism.
From a personal perspective, I would also consider something you call comprehensive to have all options, but I certainly appreciate the effort that goes into making sheets like this

[split egret]

Comprehensive is to mean all or nearly all of a topic, and I believe I was clear on it being in regards to growth time, seeds, and sell values. My apologies on not including specifically processing the crops in this manner.

If I may be constructive, constructive criticism might have simply been "maybe include this processing method as well in this sheet". I havent personally gravitated towards preserves yet, so it wasnt included.

Im ok with being wrong here. But in my opinion, it definitely came off a lot like "but whos telling you to sell seeds, no one is thinking that except for you, why did you even spend time making this, this isnt very useful at all". Like my apologies for making something you find so unhelpful dude.

[thorn geode]

I am not an expert in gardening whatsoever. But I think it is important to remember that everyone plays this game differently.

[supple stone]

You don't have to apologise for what you've included on your sheet by any means, it's your choice and yours alone.
And while it may not have come across like that, neither myself or Ren would have been intending to come across as you were saying (and we never said anything like 'whos telling you to sell seeds' - I mean, part of your argument is that you can make more money by not selling the seeds, right?)
As I have already said, I appreciate the effort that goes into making sheets like this (check the Donation Values pinned message in #🐔│ranching if you don't believe me), and I'm not diminishing that effort in any way.

[split egret]

I think it just hurt to put so much effort into it and then feel really criticized for how I came to create it and the conclusion of it, and that sucked a bit. Even if no one used it in the ways I did, its still -more- put together than either of the wikis, so I figured it would be helpful to others. I am reminding myself that this is the internet and I just need to let it go cause the internet is all critique and this is a game and not a big deal. I hope everyone finds a fairy mantis on their way to Najuma today!

[chrome stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/lies-not-listening-again-here-we-go-again-nene-leakes-gif-20422150

[supple stone]

Well I hope if you stick around you'll come to see we didn't mean it like that. And it's nice to see other maths-oriented people in the channel, genuinely.

Re the wiki: honestly, both Ren and I (and numerous others) have our own sheets for Gardening maths. There's also some stuff in the pinned guides too, so the wiki isn't where we get our information. I appreciate you wouldn't know that though
But hope you can have a nice rest of the day

[strong pewter]

Is this one a 100% water and weedblock? If so, could you share with me? The one I'm using rn isn't

[eager depot]

For makign money with crops- I didn't know some crops have the best returns if you make worms out of them, is this true?

[supple stone]

Yes, if you preserve then worm, but you would be better off glow worming a low cost meat/forage for more profit than you would get from worming the preserve

[supple stone]

How much fertiliser are you happy using?

[supple stone]

15 fertiliser, though mostly weed block which has to be bought
Profit could be bumped up by swapping the weed block crops and water retain crops, though I imagine less replanting effort might be a decent thing so kept it this way

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-P.HOBtTBkBtBtBtR-BtR.WBtBtP.WBtPTBk-BtTP.HBtBkORBtBt-BtBtBkR.WP.WT.HBtBtP-OROPW.WPORO-PBtBtT.HP.WR.WBkBtBt-BtBtROBkBtP.HTBt-BkTPBtP.WBtBtR.WBt-RBtBtBtBkTBtOP.H_D180GtL50Cr0.BtS-BP3-CbP2-BkS-PS-OP-TP-WS-RS-CrP
Dunno if it's hat you're looking for or not, but it's an option (though tbh, the original layout by Duh only misses Weedblock in one square in the middle)

[austere bronze]

hmmm, so does sticking bok choy kimchi in a glow worm make even more money?

or pickled tatoes

[supple stone]

Not really. Both of those are best seeded, and while you can make a teeny bit more money from preserving and worming bok choy, it takes an extra crafter slot and an extra hour of processing, which is not worth it when bok choy kinda leaves you starved for crafter slots anyway. Bok choy seeds are 80.66 gold/tile/tick, worming preserves are 82.5g/t/t.
1.2 irl hours for seeding, 1.6 irl hours for preserve+worming. 2.5% more profit for 33% more processing time...
Worming pickled potatoes doesn't even make any extra money, and again is about 33% longer in total crafer time

[austere bronze]

I see, so for some crops it can be better, like apples for example?

[exotic tapir]

i’m having the HARDEST time finding batterfly beans! where in elderwood is the best place to find them? i just want to grow some on my lot, lol.

[floral talon]

swamp nborth swamp and that lake area NE

[covert heron]

They tend to grow next to trees, so it's worth circling around some locations to find them in the wild.

[exotic tapir]

thank you!!!

[nocturne yarrow]

At the base of big chunky trees

[austere bronze]

How many apples are you guys getting with full yield bonus? Online I see 120 (24 per tree) per harvest for 5 trees, I think I was getting less...

[supple stone]

Honestly, imo there are better uses of your crafters. Anything best preserved will give you more additional profit when worming the preserves, but the most you can get is an extra 20g profit per hour with Tomatoes. That's not terrible by any means (and tomatoes are pretty good profit wise anyway), but with 16g meats in a glow worm farm you get 29g per hour, eggs which are plentiful from Ranching now give 28g profit in the worm farm, milk 25g, floatfish/staircase mushrooms 31g profit.
So, personally, I wouldn't bother with worming preserves unless you're in need of a steady supply of glow worms. Then corn's not a bad shout, as you get 2 per pickled corn.

[supple stone]

Per harvest you get 16 without harvest boost, 24 with harvest boost.
Harvest boost buff needs to be present every single palian day of growth in order to guarantee you getting the extra 50% yield

[austere bronze]

Thank you very much 🙂

[mint sandal]

Oh yeah, that's for sure, I knew my profits would drop cause I insist on having at least 1 of everything in my garden, which is why pretty much all my layouts are everything gardens. But I was pleasantly surprised by how much I can make with them regardless, especially since the other day I managed to add 2 more seeders to my seeders/worm farms area in a way that kept it clean and symmetrical so now I have 8: 2 for seeding bok choys, 2 for seeding potatoes, 1 for wheat, 1 for beans, and the other 2 to make whatever seeds I need for replanting

[mint sandal]

Ooh, I've been wondering what to do with all the eggs and milk I'm getting from ranching, so sticking the eggs in worm farm is decent profit? Thankfully with the mushrooms I can just turn em into muskin so that was an easy fix

[supple stone]

Put them in glow worm farms, not worm farms, but yes, very good profit

[mint sandal]

Well, yes, that's what I meant, should've been more clear Thanks for the info, I'm getting close to full storage so that's gonna help tremendously

[supple stone]

I figured you probably did, but considering the number of people who lurk and read the channel, I don't want them getting the wrong idea if I had just said yes =3

[neat vortex]

23g/hr from pickled onion in the regular worm farm, and it doesn't stall before finishing the hopper. Still nowhere near as good as cheap meat and forage, though!

(It's also 9 HB per hour per farm, so in my weird, fertilizer-heavy layout it ensures I keep up with my apple trees even when I'm online for way too many hours in a row, without paying too much input value or specific effort into it)

I might see about switching away from that for a while, though, given how generous my pekis and trufflets are lol

[blazing sable]

Can someone help me with this? I have this patch of soil with blueberries and it doesn't grow. It's been weeks like this. I can grow crops on the other two spots but the blueberries seem stuck.

[sweet kraken]

How long is it for a growth tick? Sometimes I hope back on 2 hours after i get off and my crops are ready.... other times I come back and they look the exact same after like 8 hours

[clear kindle]

for blueberries it takes 9 in-game days to first harvest. crops only grow one stage when you are offline and then stop growing. if a crop is not watered (either manual, crop buffed or hydro fert) and/or if there are weeds on the crop they will stop growing until tended to. if there are nine weeds on the plots, there is a bug (intended?) that the crops will actually reverse grow

[mint sandal]

Each growth tick is 1 palia day, which lasts 1 irl hour. Each Palia day starts at 6am Palia time

[sweet kraken]

Ohhhhh

Thank you 🙏

Both incredibly useful info

[true spruce]

anyone have a good layout that includes all edible crops? I found a few but they all lacked pumpkins

[mint sandal]

I have multiple
#🌱│gardening message
#🌱│gardening message

[true spruce]

thanks!

[prisma vale]

I don't really find them in Deep Woods, but otherwise I circle all the big trees and check them. Remember to go up as well!

Also, in a pinch- you can buy them from badruu and turn those into seeds iirc!

[old pine]

I try to make a habit of logging on somewhere between X:00 and X:10 every other hour, because then I can check the crops, wait out the 6am shift at X:15, and check crops again, and then I can log on half as much

[floral talon]

Yup thats the way to go

[floral talon]

Pumpkins are so bad beans are i think good seeded

[pale reef]

Or for cooking parties :3

[sweet kraken]

I usually get about 2 and a half hours to 3 to play every couple of days after work so sadly I cant do that but just knowing to return to the farm every hour after spending a straight hour running in circles for ore is nice

[hexed linden]

in an emergency you can destroy them by using the other mouse click with the hoe

[violet fossil]

You're godsend! Thank you!

[split egret]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1InKQhrmZXZvsbG236uQoU6r-wLc2LG3eKOsbHR3XL34/edit?usp=sharing

This has been updated

[frosty fiber]

do i put harvest boosters on my plants right before harvesting them? because i put harvest boosters on my cabbage when i planted them and most of the booster seeds have gone, so im wondering if i did it at the wrong time?

[spring scarab]

my fertilizer always visual disappears but never makes a difference to the process I hope it's the same for u

[floral talon]

If u put to much 99 on one soil the game wont save it due to bug

[vague talon]

Can someone help me choose what plant to pickle. I currently turn all bockchoy into seeds as it doubles the value of the crop. My current farm layout makes Bockchoy, carrots, tomatoes, corn, and potatoes. the corn and carrots are for sheperads pies. Bock choy is for selling the seeds and I suppose so is tomatoes.. So do I jkust pickle potaties? the ROI on that seems not worth.

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cr.HAACr.HAACr.HAA-AB.HB.HAB.HB.HAB.HB.H-Cr.HCr.HCr.HAAAAAA-B.HB.HB.HB.HB.HB.HAAA-B.HB.HB.HB.HCrB.HB.HB.HB.H-AAAB.HB.HB.HB.HB.HB.H-AAAAAACr.HCr.HCr.H-B.HB.HAB.HB.HAB.HB.HA-AACr.HAACr.HAACr.H

[floral talon]

Bokchoi potato beans seed rest jar

[supple stone]

Looking good 🙂

[supple stone]

Out of the crops you mention, corn and tomatoes are best preserved.
What did you want the preserves specifically for?

[supple stone]

In order to guarantee getting the extra 50% yield from harvest boost, you need to have the buff present (either from adjacent crops or fertiliser) every day before harvest.
Otherwise, say you apply harvest boost fertiliser 3 days of the 6 needed for cabbage. That's 50% chance of the extra yield, 50% no extra yield.
If using fertiliser, the crop will need 1 fertiliser per tile per in-game day.
So apples need 9 fertiliser every in-game day.

[true spruce]

do the fertilizers stack though? like if I put down 3 fertilizers does that last for 3 days?

[austere bronze]

Yes Avery, they stack

You can put up to 99 in one plot

Not sure if this is the right channel; but does anyone have an up to date input/output for glow worm farms? 🙂

[true phoenix]

Can someone please help me make a layout for beans and apples? if possible weed prevention and water retain

[clear kindle]

afk bushes (swap the blues for beans). this layout is mainly focused on the blue(beans) and apples, as those are the only crops you harvest. everything else stays in the ground to provide buffs and unless you want the aesthetic of the grown crops can be completely ignored for water and weeding

otherwise, others might have a layout that would help, but this and another apple afk are the only ones that i use (currently)

[true phoenix]

TYSM ❤️ i really appreciate it

[kind bolt]

i havent tried batterfly beans yet, do they replace themselves with the seed thingy even if its 2 for 1?

[twin sierra]

Is it good to put multiple boost harvesters on a single crop?

[clear kindle]

they do, my two beans give 18 beans per harvest (9 each with harvest boost) and they are a multi harvest crop

[kind bolt]

ty

[mortal knoll]

Has anyone got a plot layout for making money? It’s been awhile since I played

[floral talon]

it either has the buff or not fert nad plant buddy dont stack

[floral talon]

yeay but it depends so much oin the player what poeple need i stopped making recommendation on that one everyone wants something different

... ranching produces so muhc stuff to worm i never need to grill fishies again for my fertslurper layout
nad i dont even have decent traits on my animals

[valid condor]

I'm using these layouts for I am a lazy guy for watering, are those still the best I can do for profit? Just realized they are 2 years old
https://www.reddit.com/r/Palia/comments/15kfd8o/100_watered_water_retain_afk_farm_plot/

[floral talon]

I have absolutely no idea what tgat even is

[valid condor]

which part?

[clear kindle]

can do far better for the 4 apple tree layouts, especially if you only harvest the apples

[clear kindle]

the first one you can substitute beans for blueberries. and while it's only afk 100% bushes, you don't need to tend to the other crops if you only harvest the apples/blue/beans which are the stars of the layouts

[valid condor]

oh nice, will try those out! thanks!

[dark storm]

Every single crop I harvest is starred and idk why

Does level matter? I'm 33

[split egret]

if you want to look at the table I linked above, you can sort your preserve totals from high to low by selecting
-> normal preserves
-> sort column
-> z to a.

Normal and quality preserves your highest 3 profits only considering how much you make and comparing to the other preserves values, in this order: Apple, Potato, Corn, with Napa Cabbage following 4th.

[kind bolt]

mind if i ask what your bean setup is? im trying to make a general revenue build with beans (and tomatoes if possible) to take to burger parties when i feel like going

garden planning is so hard lmao

[clear kindle]

for me i use this layout, but i substitute 2 of the blueberries for beans (as they give the same buff as the blueberries). you would probably swap all blueberries for beans if you need more for the burger parties. however, this layout isn't 100% afk for non-bush/tree crops, so you would need to tend to them for the weed and watering if you need to harvest everything

[granite ermine]

Thank you so much for the layout! It will be a big help 😅

[old pine]

Just to offer another option, this one has 5 trees but is solely focused on harvesting the apples and beans, nothing else (corn I guess if you want to). The only trick is with no weed prevention, you have to cultivate it until you get the max 9 weeds on your tomato plants so that they won't grow on the stuff you harvest

A bit more work to get set up but I've been appreciating the extra 24 apples every harvest

[supple stone]

I wouldn't recommend the 9 weeds trick personally, sometimes it causes crops to revert a growth stage...
Some people have no issues with it, but we had someone having crops revert very frequently last week. Weeds removed (plus no other changes) and it worked normally again.

[floral talon]

im stil not sure if having 9 or the game placing nr10 casues the issue

[old pine]

Huh, can't say I've encountered that issue

Are you saying crops without weeds revert a growth stage?

[final whale]

Is there a layout with the five trees that makes it 100% water and weed proof? Or is it only doable with 4 trees

[old pine]

You'd have to give up harvest boost to do it- with 5 trees, the corner ones only have 6 slots available which is enough for 2 effects

The other option is fertilizer but each tree will use 9 a day which is a steep cost

[floral talon]

yeay if u got to much weeds the game wont save growthticks
so like ur online during growth tick see trees get apples on em leave plot come back the apples are gone

[old pine]

Dang

Yeah don't think that has happened to me

Good to know though

[supple stone]

Yeah, it's the crops without the weeds. Most likely the game tries to place a weed, realises it can't so rolls it back, but then also rolls back a day of growth.
No idea for certain, though.

[final whale]

9 per growth tick?

[old pine]

Yep

[supple stone]

Normally it's more that people come in saying their crops are now randomly out of sync

[old pine]

one per garden tile

[final whale]

Oof, would need a few more glow worm boxes

Just trying to gauge whether Apple's or Bok Choy would ultimately be the way to go. I feel like apples would be though over time

[supple stone]

Bok Choy is about 50% more profitable than apple focused layouts (far more if you're only harvesting the apples), at the cost of a lot more effort

[floral talon]

at my point in the game i just want to not put somuch work in anymore XD

[old pine]

That's my thought with apples lmao

I can log on, roll over to 6am, log off

[supple stone]

Yeah, I have 3 apples in my layout and 6 bushes to reduce my required effort considerably

[old pine]

Replant like once a real world day

[supple stone]

If only ranching gave fertiliser, would be nice haha

[floral talon]

i use the 6 afk apples with hb fert
now with ranching i got to much eggs milk and muhsrooms to worm

[floral talon]

yeay now we gotto put that stuff in the wormerr first thats more work

[granite ermine]

Thank you+

[supple stone]

I mean water/weed fert specifically

[old pine]

Animals DO poop...

It would make sense

[floral talon]

yeay it would

imagine how muhc wormers i need for ranching if i got proper traits on my animals
now htey already hit 2 item cap every now and then especially my quick5 peki

[final whale]

With the amount we eat in the game, I'm sure we could fertilize it

[peak flower]

Guys does anybody have a picture of a plot that is maximized profits is using all buffs possible and is low maintenance ? I’ve seen one before but I can’t remember the layout

[agile salmon]

I gotcha one sec

[agile salmon]

This is the layout I use

[peak flower]

Ty so much !

[agile salmon]

Np

[agile salmon]

Anything not covered can be easily covered by the special fertilizers

[agile salmon]

Like I get lots of weeds but theres a fertilizer for that that helps prevent them

[supple stone]

This is not maximised profits, low maintenance or all buffs though

[peak flower]

Correct but it is a decent layout the layout I’m thinking of had 4 apple trees surrounded by crops that gave all buffs I wish I could remember the layout

[supple stone]

Unfortunately you're contradicting yourself a lot with what you are asking here
Maximised profit means high effort, maximising buffs means more out of sync crops and...do you actually want all buffs? Quality Up isn't usually ideal after the early levels.
Plus, the most convenient crops are far from the most profitable.

For actual profit oriented layouts, check #🌱│gardening message - many of them have full water/weed/harvest buffs.

Sounds like you want afk garden though - check here #🌱│gardening message

[floral talon]

u just want most profits for not to much effort and afk right
i got that one its not sqaure though

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111111_CROPS-P.HCbCrBkCBkCr.HpRP-RPCbBkCBkCbCrR-CrRPBkCBkPCbCr-CbCrRBkCBkRPCb-PCbCrBkCBkCrRP-RPCbBkCBkCbCrR-CrRPBkCBkPCbCr-CbCrRBkCBkRPCb-PCbCr.HBkCBkCrRP.Hp
also afk strip but most moneys

u might wanna swap cabbage for tomato and corn for wheat if u want most money and carrots for onions but i chose these crops cuz the harvest and reseed stimes lineup making it less work

sqaure ones also exist but take more fert might be bteter for u but lemme know

[agile salmon]

It was the maximized profits i could manage while making sure every items on the plots no ones forcing you to use it and i was trying to be helpful especially when no one bothered to answer them

[floral talon]

all good everyone
and if poeple need stuff and u dont got it to send i can always make a lkayout for everyone though im not always evailable

[supple stone]

I'm not saying it's a bad layout. If it suits you, great.
Some people like one of every crop, some don't.
Unless someone specifies they do want one of everything, then I won't tend to suggest layouts with everything personally as they come with quite a disadvantage in regards to potential profit generally...
As for noone bothered to answer, we're all players here, not paid to answer questions. So there are times people aren't in the channel. That doesn't mean they are choosing not to answer, just that they can't right now. When I checked the channel, I did bother to answer, searching for and giving several options to look through. I'd say that's bothering, personally. And I was only 10 mins later than your response

[true spruce]

is it worth it to try to get everything starred or does it not make that much of a difference?

[clear kindle]

starred crops to star seeds/preserves are worth more. you don't really have to try that hard for it, though. as long as you use star seeds for replanting, and you keep up with the harvesting of your crops, you will naturally get nothing but star crops from star seeds (level 18-25) and then later at level 38 you will even get star crops from non-star seeds. if you are interested in doing cooking parties, especially cooking parties that require apples, blueberries or peppers, then you might want to save up some of the non-star crops in storage just in case of an emergency at the party because there's no (good reliable) way to get those crops after level 38

[true spruce]

ohh ok thanks

so as long as I use starred seeds I can use harvestboost and not have to worry about planting cotton etc

[faint briar]

How can I get rid of crops?

I want to replant my garden but still waiting for the chilies to disappear 🫠

[true spruce]

right click with your hoe

[faint briar]

I love u

[frank wedge]

Hey guys i wanted to try my luck doing a all crop farm and was hoping for any pointers or potential changes to it

Edit: it doesn't have any fertilizers put into it so this is bearbones just from the plants

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-CbPWWRCrTOC-CrCoPCbBtBtTBtBt-TWCbWOPCoBkR-PPmPmRPmPmWCbT-AAAAAAAAA-TCbWSSRSSP-RBkCoPCWCbWT-BBTBBCbPCoCr-COTCrRWWPCb_D0NssL10Cr0.AP-BtP-PmP-BP-SP-TP-PP-CbP-CP-OP-CrP-BkP

[floral talon]

nice to see u try layout making
cotton can be ditched
its cheaper to farm somethign else proces it sell it and buy fabric

quality up is only usefull at lower levels as ur gardening lv gives u the same effect at some point

u can do only 1 pepper/pumpkin swap one for hte other till ug ot enuf stockpiled though this depends on how u cook
i cant figure out why poeple make foods using these though but im no chef

[mint sandal]

I personally prefer my everything gardens to be 100% water/weedblock naturally through crop buffs, but if the only goal is to have 1 of everything and you don't mind either using a ton of store-bought fertilizers or always coming back to your plot at 6am to water and weed the garden then this is a good layout. As long as it fits your needs. It wouldn't fit mine at all so I wouldn't use it but other people might. Also, some of your produce is somehow in the negative? I've never seen that before

[floral talon]

negative is consumed for reseed

must be slightly due to settings on what seeds to use and level and stuff

[mint sandal]

Hm, guess I grow enough of each crop that I never saw my produce go into the negative like that

[frank wedge]

It could of also been a setting i used tbf it was my first time with it besides some basic messing around,

So switch out the cotton for something else processable due to levels producing the same effect

And only run chili or pumpkin at a time if I understood that part?

[frank wedge]

I hope i understood what you ment there about the chili/pumpkin thing

[frank wedge]

If you have a all crop layout that is both watered and weed preventive would you be willing to share ?

[mint sandal]

Oh, I have a bunch, those are pretty much all I make and share, gimme a sec to link to my compilation post

[floral talon]

i mean same sized plant same buff
run one of em at a time is a option

[mint sandal]

Here. 1st link is the list, 2nd is my latest layout
#🌱│gardening message
#🌱│gardening message

[floral talon]

i also have some but i was like u seem to have fun making ur own so i didnt wanna pigeon hole u

[mint sandal]

Note that I do not use cotton in these but you can usually replace some grains with it if you absolutely want it in there. Just replace grains that aren't touching trees or bushes, ideally

[mint sandal]

Yeah, I only shared cause they asked. It can be quite fun playing around with the garden planner

[frank wedge]

Im still within my first week of the game only just got to garden 10 so seeing others planners and layouts is a big thing for me just being able to see how someone else has done it aswell especially longer term players

[frank wedge]

Also thank you for sharing then and explaining the cotton

[mint sandal]

Ofc

[floral talon]

u seem to grasp gardening quiet fast but lv 10 is stilla bit lower i would personalyl still do a bit of quality up on everyhting
or u could just spam the quality up fert and grab afk everything XD

lemme know if u wanna see my everything layouts

[frank wedge]

Of course the more marrier to learn from

[floral talon]

i do have an entire library though

[frank wedge]

The i guess it's studying time lol 😆

[floral talon]

im not joking i literly have like 50+ layouts

this is my qr code family its a everythinged bullseye

i got many variations of htis
i also got some double apple double blueberry double pepper layout

hey loki since i cant sleep wanna see the most complicated layout?
i call it the confetti

[frank wedge]

Sure it be fun to see

[floral talon]

this is the objectively best low levle one though obviously way to complex for lower level players ...

[frank wedge]

Ooo actually it's pretty cool seeing that since it can also nearly be a all 1x1 crop farm too

[floral talon]

sicne cotton gets loomed anyways dont care about its low quality up its actually 100%
anyways gn

[frank wedge]

Would that set up be a idea to run till I get all the star seeds I would need?

Or use a profit farm to do so until then Im not sure what to go for being new besides profit

Reason I tried a all crop layout lol stock pile everything

[violet fossil]

Do som1 has a layout for collect ingredients for "Soon Tofu" recipe?

[lapis tree]

I tend to garden plants and make seeds through the seed maker, it’s where I get my most profits and through the flower flares, cos I’ll plant the flowers, get seeds and sell all the flowers, I have 100, 000$ doing that for a few days.

Honestly apples yield the most profits, especially if they’re starred apples

[clear kindle]

apples (apple to jam, seeds are a waste) are mid for gold (coming from an apple farmer). the good reason behind apples is because of the long harvest time (12 growth tics) which makes them valuable for afk plots to go and do other things. if you are solely looking to make gold and don't care about having to tend to your gardens every hour, field of harvest boosted bok choy is the best way to go. just fyi

[haughty prairie]

Hey! There’s so much info in this channel, it’s kinda hard for my ADHD brain to sort through what I actually need to read, hahaha 😅 But I’d really like some help with a good AFK layout that gives decent income, mainly water retain and as close to 100% weed prevention as possible. I’m almost lvl 50 in gardening (not sure if that even matters lol). Planning to use preserves and seed maker. I’d rather avoid fertilizers since I always forget about them 😂

[subtle ocean]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-PCOTOCrOBkP-TCbTRCRCbBkCb-OCPCrOTPBkO-BkBBCbBBPSS-AAAAAAAAA-BtBtBkBtBtCbPmPmP-CSSOTWCoPC-BkTBkCPCOTO-PmPmCWTOCPCo_D0NssL10Cr0.AP-BtP-PmP-BP-SP-TP-PP-CbP-CP-OP-CrP-BkP

[subtle ocean]

Mine has at least 2 of everything thats not a bush/tree 100% water and weedblock. Only drawback is it takes awhile to profit but you don't have to touch the garden ever unless you're harvesting.

[floral talon]

U want apples or just a simple afk layout

[haughty prairie]

I don't mind apples! But I can take a layout with and one without

[floral talon]

Fertles apple is quiet complex layout
And without abit more work cuz morecplants need reseeding and harvesting

[austere bronze]

I really need a one hopper system, where I load it up with my crops and they roll into all of my 26 seeders... Or a way to merge them all into one seed maker xD

[haughty prairie]

Ok, I have no problem with reseeding and harvesting. It's only annoying to keep watering/weeding every time for me 😂 But I guess I have to force myself to remember fertilizing 😅

[floral talon]

Same

[supple stone]

If you'd rather avoid fertiliser, you might like the Bullseye layout mentioned here #🌱│gardening message
4 optional harvest boost fertiliser

[floral talon]

@haughty prairie one i posted doable? Can dump down a stack per tile and not bother for a while hb fert is optional

[haughty prairie]

Yes! Thank you. And thank you @supple stone I will look into that one ❤️

[stuck raft]

Does anyone know the most profitable a day gardening layout for a Palian with no life? Saw someone mention they had a 4000 gold a day but they didn't list the layout.

[floral talon]

yeay but like theres the tradeof in time and effort and crafter time
so i recommend a more normal one and spending hte time/energy u save on attending epic/maws cooking partys

[stuck raft]

I dun like cooking

https://tenor.com/view/cooking-master-chef-gif-5958489123617461433

[floral talon]

ok but be carefull wha tu wish for for you just might get it

[stuck raft]

I already love harvesting bok choy so this is perfect, thank you!

Do you sell the seeds or the jam instead for max profit?

[clear kindle]

seeds

[stuck raft]

Ah, thank you, I'd been doing jams

[clear kindle]

because the crafters run while you are offline, seeds will make more in the long run verses the kimchi

[floral talon]

most stuff best jammed
only bokcvhoi potato and beans seeded
and of course stuff u cant jar

[true spruce]

anyone have a good layout for cooking ingredients?

[floral talon]

every

[limber herald]

What is a good starter farm to have? For reference literally started this game two days ago I’m very new and lost

[floral talon]

@ whoever asked the question

best lower level ignore the harvest boost fertiliser if u cant get those yt

[supple stone]

This post might help?
#🌱│gardening message
Not sure how many soil plots you have yet, but getting to 9 should be priority 1, and after that unlocking crafter slots and seeders imo

If you have 9 soils:
The Bullseye layout (in the Revenue-Focused layouts link) is imo one of the best early game (and often later) layouts, though if you want more quality up then the confetti layout is good (Duh, if you're still there, do you have it on file to link quickly)

[limber herald]

How do I get more soil?

[supple stone]

Buy from Badruu after level 2 Gardening
If you have to ask, that means until you buy it, you might like the starter pattern of Ren's in that post I linked

Also, that confetti layout I mentioned, Duh replied to his own post with it already, silly me

[limber herald]

okay thank you!

[floral talon]

oh ur that much beginner

[limber herald]

I wasn’t kidding when I said I’m very new 😂

[floral talon]

im surprised u foudn the palia discord so fast
il get u the my very first soil layout soon k

[limber herald]

thank you!

[floral talon]

upgrade it when u get 9 soils can run this for abit just copyu paste the same thing for each soil why make a new layout for something ur only gonna run like a shrot time

[limber herald]

Appreciate it thanks again

[west furnace]

anyone having trouble planting pumpkins i had them planted before the last update but since then i cannot plant them other things that take up the same space will go just not the pumpkins

[true spruce]

any tips for clearing out gardens so we can pick them up and move them?

[clear kindle]

patience, it takes 48 irl hours for the soils to un-till so you can move them to other plots. you can destroy the crops with your hoe, but you lose the crop and waste the time that it was growing.

[true spruce]

oof ok thanks

[short hound]

How do u get that much tho?Do u sell the seeds?

[karmic bluff]

If you do it from the grid map, e.g. H to get in, you can move the plots even if they are growing

[true spruce]

ohh thanks, can you move it to a different plot somehow?

[karmic bluff]

you can move the plot grids but not the plants

[true spruce]

but I do have to wait for it to be untilled it seems

[karmic bluff]

if you go into your plot view, like when you place your houses and rooms, you can move your plot grids even when things are growing on them

[true spruce]

well if I pick it up then try to switch plots it tells me it must be untilled

[floral talon]

Yes

[random vigil]

Hello, I'm trying to do my own garden layout but what is the most profitable to grow? I heard bok choy jam was good and then I heard patato seeds where good, so Idk what to prioritize. Any help is appreciated thanks ❤️

[supple stone]

Bok Choy seeds are best for profit, potato seeds 2nd
Bok Choy as preserves is either 3rd or 4th best from memory

[random vigil]

Thanks!

[floral talon]

Pst mention craftertime

[lament reef]

Hello. Is there any guide or pictures that show the best way to do a garden with all the crops?

I like having a variety of plants growing at all times :)

[floral talon]

theres guides on mechanics but if u just need a layout for everythingwe can give u that to

[lament reef]

I am more looking for an efficent layout for everything. I haven't played palia in almost a year and I am not sure how to reconfigure my garden

[lament reef]

TY!!

[floral talon]

if u need fabric just buy it
if u need cotton u rarely ever need any so just buy it

[lament reef]

That is really good to know ty. Trying to figure out all the new updates has been a little overwhelming so I really appreciate the help with this

[floral talon]

your welcome and u actually ask normal questions

once u get bored of that layotu u can ask how to make ur own or let us do it for u

[floral talon]

due to ranching giving me so much stuff to put in my glowwormers i have to triple my amount of glowwormers and my fertslurper layout can still not use all fertiliser🤣

[short hound]

Ok so how many fertilizer do I need to get ?

[floral talon]

the tiles that need fert are marked down it consumes one per tile per growhttick

[short hound]

And how are u getting like 5,000 bags ? How many times r u replanting these farms?

[floral talon]

thats just a calculation thingto get hte average right u have to stop when all plants are done at the same time
so thats 60 days on that oneit even says so in the imagine u gotto look at the money per growthtick to get meaninfull info

[short hound]

I see that says 5k for one full sweep of everything there in the picture am I reading that right ?

5k profit

[floral talon]

sweep?
5k is is the average value per growthtick yes

[short hound]

What plants give the highest money per growth tick

Or layout I should say

[floral talon]

bokchoi then potato both turned into seeds otherwise its no that much

but bokchoi takes super long to proces into seeds

[short hound]

I wish farming gave more money tbh like I could make like 300k from making sashimi but I wish u can get almost of equal money from farming it sucks how much less u get

[floral talon]

so yeay theres this thing about ur crafters being able to keep up to

[floral talon]

cant make the sashimi withoput farming rice XD

[short hound]

I know but even then u don’t need a ton of rice

It’s like one plot full and ur good

[floral talon]

so i just setup a lazy layout and let the gains roll in
getting my 4k turned into 7k per growthtick but at hte cost of putting in way more effort i was like im gonna save my time and eneregy ond oing that one mawshimi party and im good for a LONG time

[viscid siren]

rn my farming plots r just blueberries and bok choy the blueberries for cooking parties but i was thinking abt replacing bok choy with something else any ideas?

[lusty rune]

The efforts of my B E A N S gardening

https://tenor.com/view/he-he-he-laughing-funny-lizard-heh-heh-heh-gif-5728538792722150615

[solar moat]

What are you doing with all those crops?!

[lusty rune]

hehe

had done a personal project I have a previous post that explains it

[solar moat]

Ok now I’m curious

[distant horizon]

OMG

guys I never knew the potential of my garden, until now

[distant horizon]

yeah me too

[distant horizon]

can you ping?

[pure yew]

Sorry for the newbie question, but I'm trying to wrap my head around gardening basics currently! Should you generally not harvest any of your crops until the entire plot is ready?

I can't seem to find info on it, but I'm guessing that harvesting a specific crop will remove the crop boost that it provides for adjacent plots?

[clear kindle]

harvest and replant as you go, and yes if you remove a crop and don't replace it the buff goes away on the surrounding crops

[pure yew]

That makes sense! Thank you so much for the response. 🙏

I'm quite lazy, so I will....consider, harvest+replant daily. Maybe. 😁

[manic gazelle]

hi guys!! when i used to play two years ago, there was a trick to get a lot of money early game that i think involved potatoes/potato seeds. the thing is, i'm not quite sure i'm remembering right; does anyone know what it was? for now i plant only potatoes and turn the harvest into seeds, i remember it making me a lot of money but now that i'm trying it again i find the seed making extremely slow, so i must be remembering the trick wrong

[vital cipher]

I'm fairly "new" to farming. Why don't you need Tomatoes, Onions and Wheat anymore at some point? I get that Fabric and Cotton can be bought but why the "standard" cooking ingredients? Or are there late game recipes which don't need those kinda things for a good value of food?

[floral talon]

U can put that in the layout
I picked crops based on insync harvest time and visibility like tomato looks to much like apple
But any cabbage potato can also be tomato potato or tomato cabbage

[vital cipher]

Alright thank you

Do you need things like tomatoes onions and wheat a lot in the game?

[floral talon]

Depends on what u cook

[vital cipher]

Do you maybe have a good layout with all crops other than maybe cotton if its not needed really?

[floral talon]

Cotton is indeedd not really needed but at lower levels u need tons of fabric and the extra star chance is still worth it then
And the one i send u is all crops if u use substitution il explain it better later

[vital cipher]

alrighty thank you. I'm just quiet new and dont have much clue haha. Would appreciate it

[floral talon]

ok plants get buffs like waterretain harvestboost weedblock quality up
from nearby plants
or from fertiliser

for the plants the waterretain plants can gift it to everything directly adjacent but a cabbage cannot give its buff to another cabbage for example
2x2sized plants need to receive a buff from 2 tiles
3x3 apple from 3

but this means that to get a crop its own buff we need to give it a buddy like we give the cabbage a potato next ot it or a tomato or other combos as htose 3 are all water retain
same logic for all the other buffs
go play around in the planner to see what happens

[vital cipher]

So if I do this for example I have everything in BUT cotton.. would that work? https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.3_D-111-111-111_CR-Cb.HPBkCAABkAA-CCbPABBABB-Bk.HC.HCb.HSSP.HSSBk.H-PAACbRBk.WCCrP-ABkCPCbCr.HCbCr.HP-P.HCbC.HBkRCbCCrP-BkBbBbPBbBbCb.HCBk-CBkCbCrRCrPCbC-PmPmBk.HPmPmC.HBk.HP.HCb.H_L25Cr0.A.P-AP-BP-BbS-PmP-CrP-CbP-BkS-RS-PS-CP

I just exchanged stuff with the other crops that give the same buff to the others

just unsure where to plant cotton now without rid of the other buffs

[floral talon]

u copied the link copy it from the save button i see no changes

[vital cipher]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-T.HPBkCAABkAA-OCbPABBABB-Bk.HC.HT.HSSP.HSSBk.H-PAACbRBk.WOWP-ABkCPCbW.HCbCr.HP-P.HCbC.HBkRCbOCrP-BkBtBtPBtBtT.HOBk-OBkCbCrRWPCbC-PmPmBk.HPmPmC.HBk.HP.HT.H_L25Cr0.A.P-AP-BP-BtS-PmP-CrP-CbP-BkS-RS-PS-CP

[floral talon]

yeay the buffs are all the same right so it totally worked

[vital cipher]

Where would I add cotton without losing buffs tho? Is that even possible

[floral talon]

u can but u dont have to bother

[vital cipher]

Alright thank you

[vital cipher]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-T.HPBkC.WAACoAA-OCbPABBABB-Bk.HC.HT.HSSP.HSSCo.H-P.WAACbRBk.WO.WWP-ABkCPCbW.HCbCr.HP-P.HCbC.HBkRCbOCrP.W-CoBtBtP.WBtBtT.HOBk-OBkCbCrRWPCbC-PmPmCo.HPmPmC.HBk.HP.HT.H_L25Cr0.A.P-AP-BP-BtS-PmP-CrP-CbP-BkS-RS-PS-CP

I could do this tho and just add those few more weed blockers no?

oh nvm I cant use two ferts on one thing oops

[floral talon]

just buy ur fabrics

[vital cipher]

alright sorry

ty

[lime flare]

Hey! I'm sure this gets asked regularly, but what's the most efficent use of crop plots to get money? Is it focusing entirely on canned pumpkins? A lot of the guides I've looked at are out of date or seem to be down to what the individual player wants to do

[upbeat geyser]

It depends on what you want to do kinda, there are some plots where you make a lot of money but you spend a lot of time planting and unplanting. I like having three apple trees since their jam gives 96 coins or so, even more when starred, a few blueberries and then from there I just plant what I need to recipes and feeding my animals

[supple stone]

You somehow picked the worst crop. Pumpkins sell for a good amount individually, but they are the worst crop to grow for profit by a large margin.
Bok Choy is the most profitable, but you have to replant it every 3 days.
This post might be useful (points to a few others) #🌱│gardening message

[mighty grotto]

I don't really understand why several of the apple trees aren't watered, any tips or is this a glitch?

The only thing here i have done is weed

[lime flare]

I don't get how bok choy is profitable when the seeds are only worth 15 gold?

[narrow widget]

1 bok choy = 4 seeds, starred is worth more

[true spruce]

wouldn't making pumpkin preserves be better tjam apple? they sell for a higher price and take half the time as aples

[lime flare]

that's still only 60 gold compared to 101 gold for canned pumpkin though

oh wait does the pumpkin plant only give 1 crop each time, despite taking up 4 tiles?

[narrow widget]

88 for starred quality, and they grow quicker than pumpkins.

what you make in 3 days is more than what you'll make from pumpkins when they eventually grow after a week+ (in-game time), bok choy only takes 3 days

[true spruce]

oh each harvest only gives you 3 pumpkins

[lime flare]

huh okay, thank you all for the input!

[clear kindle]

and the three pumpkins are only with harvest boost, you only get 2 if they aren't harvest boosted.

[clear kindle]

apples without harvest boost gets you 16 apples (24 if you harvest boost) per harvest compared to the 2/3 harvest/boosted that pumpkins give

[true spruce]

yeah I thoght pumpins were like blueberries but with that yield no thanks

[peak rain]

trying to place my garden in my inventory to move to a new plot. harvested what i could, destroyed the rest, garden is now empty but not entirely un-tilled. it won’t let me put it in my inventory if it is tilled. is there a way i can undo the tilling or is it a matter of waiting

[floral talon]

48h irl wait

[peak rain]

🥲

thank you

[west furnace]

is it normal to have to rotate soil before you can plant something after harvesting crops?

[supple stone]

Not normal at all

[little matrix]

Can someone please tell me what is best crops for money ?

[narrow widget]

are plants that are across multiple plots still bugged?

i made a new layout but it's very cross plot heavy and i want to make sure before i plant everything that they'll interact correctly

[narrow widget]

https://www.paliatracker.com/gold-profit this is an excellent guide, but make sure you take grow time and harvest amount into account.

[remote needle]

Looking at this setup for making bean burgers for focus and selling the rest as seeds for money:

What are your thoughts?

[gloomy agate]

The water retention hurts my soul

[floral talon]

seems good at ez planting

[lusty rune]

I can try

[lusty rune]

Don't know if I did it right but here

Also I have not sold anything yet just wanted to know the gold value

[short hound]

I wish the game would have sprinklers so we don’t gotta worry abt the water retention stuff

[knotty sparrow]

imagine they add a water bill lmaoo

[short hound]

I would be ok with that trade off tbh

Let me just plant stuff where I wanna without in cooperating the water plants

[knotty sparrow]

and then they nerf the crop prices 😳

[floral talon]

today i didnt even bother to harvest my apple trees or anything
imagine even less work call hme in idc if it csots some coins

[short hound]

The thing about this game is they have no business making the crops sell for so cheap. I wish it was like stardew and u make more money as the game goes on like

[knotty sparrow]

i want to work on my garden but honestly watering is not my issue, its the weeding and the soil tilling

[short hound]

U go to a sushi party for 2 hours and make billions u wait like several in game hours to make sub 10k

[knotty sparrow]

ive been making a solid 5000 every harvest with my old method and i dont worry

[short hound]

Atp I should just forget farming and just do sushi parties

[floral talon]

finally someone gets it

[knotty sparrow]

oop, i need to be put on to this

[short hound]

I went to a sushi party yesterday and made like 450k

[knotty sparrow]

damn, badruu took my last dollar this week 😭

[short hound]

I should write a very long review of this game and how cumbersome it is to play sometimes

[narrow widget]

sometimes i wish we had a ui for planting crops because i often lose track of where i am on the grid

[short hound]

They had no business nerfing the rock frogs tbh

[floral talon]

wait peopel can have that problem ...

[knotty sparrow]

its meant to be slow pace so i understand

[short hound]

Let ppl get gold fast if they are too shy to do cake parties and such let there be many alternatives to make money

[knotty sparrow]

put a tiki pole on every 3rd grid in each direction

[short hound]

But for people who are in very late game there should be ways to make much for money faster

[narrow widget]

yeah rotating around planting things, it's easy for me to lose track and think i'm on one half of my layout when i was actually not. i've planted things in the entirely wrong order before lol

[knotty sparrow]

lottery machines 😝

[floral talon]

ok so i got this private discord server layout channel open on my second screen as reference
and i just keep looking in the same direction while planting and its ez

[narrow widget]

i have a second monitor that i use to track the layout as i'm planting, but it still happens lol

[floral talon]

do one crop at a time saves time switching seeds

[narrow widget]

i've been doing that, helps a lot!

[knotty sparrow]

i just read the layout left to right and plant each seed together

[floral talon]

ok what ungodly complex layout are u using

[narrow widget]

i do it to myself tbh

[floral talon]

... do u really need so many of the 2x2 plants?

[narrow widget]

beans are for animals, i like to make chili dumplings for food and the blueberries are just because i didn't want them all to be peppers lol

[floral talon]

ic ic so u need hte beans and the peppers but not the blueberrys
how many apple trees do u want?

[knotty sparrow]

seeing an apple share farming plots hurts me

[floral talon]

duhscape is also called hte layout maker

[narrow widget]

1 is fine tbh 2 is just me being overkill for money

[narrow widget]

lol same but it worked for the layout best

[floral talon]

apple are more of a lazy plant then money though

[narrow widget]

true!

[floral talon]

this one should be way less complex

[narrow widget]

thanks! much appreciated!

[floral talon]

th ebetter one uses 2 apples and is only better cuz it uses less fert

[narrow widget]

i'll give this one a go when my plants are all done, currently waiting for it to clear out

[floral talon]

so kore u settled? of course u swap the blueberry out for beans and the pumpkin for pepper in your exac situation and if u understand substitution u cna farm whatever u want in it

[knotty sparrow]

wait if one day in palia is one irl hour then thats 180 hours irl time

[narrow widget]

yup! thank you, i'll give this layout a go!

[knotty sparrow]

7.5 days

[floral talon]

yeay thats for it wiht those plants to complete a full cycel of everything beign done when continuous harvesting

[knotty sparrow]

are you supposed to not harvest until everything is done growing or everytime you harvest a single plant, you replant the seed?

[floral talon]

the stats assume u harvest asap and replant everything in 180 growthticks everything is done and the cycle starts again
u use the 180 growthticks to calc the average money per growhttick i mean of course u could break it of earlier but that coudl be a little awkward

[knotty sparrow]

oh okay ty

[remote needle]

I am not so lucky so I print mine out from the garden planner.

[remote needle]

How do you make 5K from crops?

[floral talon]

proces em in crafters

[narrow widget]

hey whatever works!

[distant horizon]

DAMN

[wheat radish]

Does anyone have a good layout for buffed pumpkins? Like water retain, harvest and weed prevention? Quality boost is not important.

[hollow gyro]

am i the only one seeing the calculations on the palia garden planner being weird?

or am i misunderstanding some kinda time/amount crafters thing

+1 crafter should be a gain no matter what you put in it, but the profit per hour still gets lowered?

[hollow gyro]

Likewise, if I put on level 50 gardening instead of 0, the crops that came out without star that i never put in a machine will become star crops, regardless of whether they are put in a machine or not this should still only increase the profit, right?

And I'm looking specifically at the profit per hour, since this is usually what would be the fair comparison value in a calculation like this.

[sharp scaffold]

I saw @neat oyster ask about Gardening layouts, and thought I'd share mine

It has several spots that are interchangeable, while keeping 100% water-retain and weed prevention

(Example the 2x2 I usually plant blueberries, but if I need pumpkins they can go there instead)

It is a heavily modified version of a layout I saw somewhere else

I think it also looks really nice and symmetrical, because I prefer looks over perfect optimization

[neat oyster]

I didn't know we had a gardening channel lol, thank you!

I updated it lol. Forgot to add the harvest increase fertilizer, so I removed the corn and added onions for weed blocker.

Quality up won't count since I use star seeds to give me star crops

[floral talon]

u sadly wont get harvest boost on th ose open spots though but canq sitll be good to some poeple

[sharp scaffold]

I have worm farms for that, they produce too much fertilizer that I can't even use it all

In terms of low-maintenance, 100% water-retain and weed prevention are probably the way to go if that is your biggest concern

[restive granite]

Here's a little something iv been working on, thought I'd share as may help anyone who struggles for making money. Its a price guide for what your crops are worth as a crop, seed or preserve in both normal and star quality, I have a few blanks though 😬

[sharp scaffold]

I'm not sure if multiple of these are incorrect, or if I misunderstood:
Star cotton sells for 67, but turning 1 cotton into seeds gives you 90
You listed it as Sell Crop instead of seed

I could help fill some info if you need it

[restive granite]

Hi! Thanks for the info, I just filled in based on what iv found so far, I will update it though 😀

[sharp scaffold]

I think you considered selling it by 1, even though most crops produce more than 1 seed

[restive granite]

Yes its for individual price (value of selling 1)

[floral talon]

Ur guide is wrong though but keep improving it

[restive granite]

Where is it wrong? I'd love to improve it where I can, lime i said those prices are what iv found myself based on the value of 1

[sharp scaffold]

I was confused until I realized you marked each by selling a single seed
1 cotton would sell as 3 seeds, it seems misrepresentative.

I have this (I don't remember where I got the info)

Sell as Seeds:
Batterfly Beans, Bok Choy, Cotton, Potato, Rice, Wheat

Sell as Preserves:
Apple, Blueberry, Carrot, Corn, Napa Cabbage, Onion, Tomato, Spicy Pepper

Worm Farms:
Napa Cabbage Kimchi (Glow), Pickled Corn (Glow), Pickled Onion (Worm)

That's just what I go by, and I don't remember the actual numbers

[restive granite]

1 Star tomato preserve sells for 51, 1 star tomato seed sells for 60

[sharp scaffold]

1 star Tomato turns into 1 preserve or 2 seeds
So it's like if you're just throwing away half the seeds

I understand the 1 to 1
Though in this case it doesn't sit right

[restive granite]

I use half and sell half

[sharp scaffold]

Oh wait, it's actually 3 tomato turns into 2 seeds
That's even worse

[restive granite]

Yeah and 10 apples for one seed

[sharp scaffold]

So 3 tomato turns into 3 preserves, or 2 seeds

You can see it's not a 1 to 1 anymore

Yeah, so I recommend going by minimum amounts to keep it simple

Such as 1 single "action"
Cabbage in = 1 preserve
Cabbage in = 6 seeds

If we take 30 Apples for example
Selling the crop directly (30)= 2,880
Selling the Seeds (3 seeds)= 3,150
Selling Preserves (30)= 4,320

Most profit is preserves

[restive granite]

Keeping it to the price for 1 individual item for each category is easier for me to remember, its short and its simple

[mint sandal]

But it also makes your results entirely wrong

[sharp scaffold]

If that's what you prefer, I just think it's easily misunderstood (can lead to misinformation if you don't explain it to every person that sees it)

[restive granite]

Id agree on the easily misunderstood, its not "wrong" as if your only selling 1 at a time for example then its perfectly correct 🤷‍♀️ my prices aren't wrong, I'm just different to most people, doing it any other way would confuse the crap outta me and my neuro spicy brain

Like 1 potato = 4 seeds or 3 tomatoes = 2 seeds and then the prices for those totals ect..

[sharp scaffold]

If it's listed like "this makes 4 seeds, but I only sell 1 and use the rest" I can sort of see it
Listing it as "Best Profit" does seem incorrect

[restive granite]

Il admit iv labeled the "profit" one wrong, so what would sound better "individual best profit" or "best profit individually" ?

[sharp scaffold]

I suppose if you're set on sticking to the rest, maybe per unit
"Highest Sell Price Per Unit"

[restive granite]

Per Unit, ah yes that would make it look like more sense. Thank you.

[severe flower]

Is apple tree not working?
Cause it's not letting me plant apple seed 🙄

[mint sandal]

Make sure all the squares are fully tilled, sometimes they look tilled but are missing just a tiny sliver

[severe flower]

I did all squares like tried 5 times but still didn't work

[mint sandal]

Hm, weird

[severe flower]

Ikr

[sharp scaffold]

You make sure to place it in the middle?

[severe flower]

Yes

[sharp scaffold]

I haven't heard of anyone else having issues with the tree itself, only apple cooking recipes

[mint sandal]

Me too

[sharp scaffold]

Might be best to leave the plot and come back to see if it helps

[severe flower]

Sorry about camera results 😅

[mint sandal]

And it doesn't do anything when you press A?

[severe flower]

Yes

[sharp scaffold]

If the tree shows like that it should be working, no idea

[mint sandal]

Huh. You should send a ticket to support, that's definetely bugged, it should place no problem

[severe flower]

Ok thank you both

[sharp scaffold]

That reminds me, is it near the center of your plot?

I know I can't water trees that are in the **exact **center of my plot
Not sure if it's related

[severe flower]

No it's on side

[sharp scaffold]

I should probably submit a ticket about the issue I mentioned, just in case
XD

[severe flower]

I found the problem
There is 1 box it's not letting me remove the soil

[sharp scaffold]

Can you pick up the soil?

[mint sandal]

You can't remove soil when it's tilled, that's not a bug

[floral talon]

Make sure there no (invisible) fertiliser on it either

[mint sandal]

Invisible fert wouldn't prevent planting though, which is the original problem we were talking about

[severe flower]

It's these 9 boxes
Not letting me plant seeds

[severe flower]

I don't use fertiliser

[sharp scaffold]

You can untill the ground, then remove the soil

Left click tills it, right click breaks the tilled part

[mint sandal]

Since when? I know that's how you destroy a planted crop but pretty sure you need to wait for soil to untill itself

[sharp scaffold]

Oh
I guess it could be a coincidence that every time I did that it removed the tilled ground along with the crop.

I'd have to test, but I know you can still move it

[restive granite]

Updated my guide sheet, thanks to those whos input helped

[floral talon]

Oh i thouth this is about picking up soils my bad

[vital cipher]

Hey guys.. when is the best time to harvest my crops? Do I just harvest them once they are fully grown no matter if all the crops are grown yet? Or do I need to wait until EVERY crop is fully grown and then fully harvest once and then replant? And how does the palia farm planner have such absurd numbers of harvest? I dont get those numbers of crops per harvest

[supple stone]

Up to you. More convenient when everything is ready, but you lose out on a lot of potential profit from losing a lot of growth time.
For best profit, harvest each crop as soon as it is ready and replant it straight away

Give an example of what you mean by absurd numbers per harvest?

[vital cipher]

Alright thank you. I was wrong abt the numbers dont mind me.. its shows the numbers of 180 days of harvest not per harvest that was mb

[supple stone]

I wondered if that's what you meant, but didn't want to assume!

[vital cipher]

All good thank you for the help

[knotty sparrow]

sorry i didn't see this ping, i just did the bok choy farm and most of them were quality

[remote needle]

Did you sell the seeds you processed, the Bok Choy or did you make something else to sell with them please?

[mint sandal]

Selling the seeds is best profit

[severe flower]

It worked
I had to close to palia and come back 😊

[remote needle]

Thank you!

[knotty sparrow]

i made seeds with the regular crop and sold the quality ones idk theres not really a method to my money 😭

[floral talon]

the other way aorund would make way more sense

[rose coral]

Do you need to fertilize every time the planting bed stops showing the fertilized status or just one per plant till harvest, or is it more economical to just sell the fertilizer and not use it on the crops at all?

[mint sandal]

A 1 tile crop consumes 2 fertilizer per Palian day, 4 tiles crops consume 4 and apple tree consumes 9

[knotty sparrow]

i wonder why a 1 tile wouldnt consume only 1 fertilizer per palian day

[bold orchid]

how many farming plots can i have ?

[rose coral]

81 planting spots total

[floral talon]

9 soils max

[polar plume]

So I minorly edited some layouts I found and think I'm going to go with this setup.... I know some of them are raw, but when working with all the output toggles, I found those that are raw actually produced more money this way selling (or will be good to use in food), and some are the same as preserves or seeds, so I just kept them as preserves. Anyone see anything glaringly wrong that I'm not seeing with this one?

[sleek sparrow]

How much does honey give in the worm farm?

[tulip cradle]

I hope that one day we will get more farming plots.

[last field]

was browsing for a batterfly bean planner but no luck, anyone have any ideas

wheat, tomato, batterfly if possible

[mint sandal]

If they keep adding crops they'll surely give more plots but until then I don't think we'll get any

[split egret]

okok i finally fixed it, i just couldnt get it right here we go

I never want to touch this chart again lmao

[past summit]

Is there any reason to grow the flowers? I see many plots with only flowers and I'm doing the same but I don't know if there's a reason for it 😛

[gray pecan]

I hope we can grow chocolate and bananas at some point, i mean this picture looks like a cocoa pod

[lime flare]

It’s bc the flowers take up storage space and most people want to keep them on hand for quick access to decorate their plots. If there are any flowers you don’t like and think you’ll never use, you might as well sell them

[past summit]

Oh that makes so much sense, thanks 😁

[inland stirrup]

I was thinking bananas the other day too, I feel like we need more fruit or something new would just be nice

[thick tinsel]

Does anyone know why it takes 10 apples to make one Apple tree seed?

[clear kindle]

best theory? apples back in the day were some of the best money making crops, and s6 wanted to make it "difficult" to make the seeds. now, with the introduction of bok choy layouts, the apples are middling at best

but you should really only be making seeds for replanting, the rest need to go into preserve jars

[split egret]

this comment made me catch the last error in my selling chart!

here we are -- if your intention is to know how to sell each item by sell value, this shows clearly what you should sell each item as to maximize profits

[high tundra]

what is the limit of soil you can have

[floral talon]

9

[split egret]

99 can be placed on every tilled tile, but you can also store it in your inventory up to your current inventory total

[floral talon]

yes thats fertiliser

[remote needle]

Thinking about a cotton/bok choy layout.

[split egret]

yep yep mb

[floral talon]

all good

[floral talon]

but why?

[remote needle]

Why not?

[floral talon]

wonder what ur goal with it is

[remote needle]

Profit

[floral talon]

but hten why cotton?

[remote needle]

Because it gives the quality boost to the bok choy.

[floral talon]

oh ur below lv 25 ic ic

[remote needle]

On gardening yes

[floral talon]

and u put tons of harvest boost fert on that

[remote needle]

I'm not much on fertilizer.Makes gardening slow and grindy.

[floral talon]

ok ur layout would do better wiht some harvest boosting crop instead of cotton even at ur lv
hb x1.5
qualityup +50%point chance of x1.5
so yeay quality up is worse then harvestboost getting both is best XD

but i admit cotton is so pretty

[remote needle]

Just curious what does level have to do with it?

[floral talon]

lv gives a boost for star chance sso at lv25 all star seeds only star produce lv38 u cant even get unstarred from even unstarred seeds

[remote needle]

I did not know that!

[little matrix]

Is lv38 hard to get ?

[remote needle]

What would your ideal layout be for profit without fertilizer? Just curious.

[floral talon]

not really

[little matrix]

With her layout can i boost my level ?

[floral talon]

for ur lv or in general max tryhard or per effort

[floral talon]

no every layout gives the same xp

[remote needle]

The Phoenix Shrine will be your best friend for leveling.

[little matrix]

Yep all my points went to the might phoenix

[remote needle]

I'm level 19. Trying not to be too hard or too slow.

[little matrix]

I see :< , what about gardening with frinds ?

Can we double the xp if we share loot in 2 houses ?

[floral talon]

nope

[floral talon]

do u want me to make you one?

[little matrix]

sad

[remote needle]

Yes please!

[little matrix]

Thank you guys

[remote needle]

I know we need Garden parties to be like cooking parties lol.

[floral talon]

ok how much do you hate fertilisers?

[remote needle]

I find that it slows me down and makes for more clicking and that makes my hands hurt.

Wondering if a communal garden space would work in Palia if they created one?

[floral talon]

^so this would be to much fertiliser for you?

[remote needle]

How about without fertilizer?

[floral talon]

u can do that but then u gotto water hte edges and weed those

[remote needle]

I don't mind weeding, because I sell the weeds too lol

[floral talon]

ok u can ditch tyhis layout at lv25

[remote needle]

If you had to choose just 2 crop?

[floral talon]

potato cabbage

not sure chose for what but i liek those ht emost

[remote needle]

Choose for profit.

[floral talon]

potato cabbage they water retain each other and i hate watering potato is second best money crop to and cabbage over tomato cuz it only need interaction once every 6 growthticks and im lazy

[north glade]

Does anyone else notice their watering can seems to decay faster than their other tools? All my tools are exquisite, and for the amount that I even use my watering can vs say my pickaxe or my bow, I’m repairing it WAY more often than the others.

[random flame]

Does anyone have a beginner friendly guide of what to be planting to earn some gold?

[floral talon]

are u doing blooms?

[split egret]

if you scroll up a bit there is a selling chart I created

[north glade]

No I haven’t for weeks. Just watering my garden.

[floral talon]

while that helps thats not the full picture for newbies XD

[floral talon]

strange i never had that problem mayube ur layotu isnt fully water retain?

[split egret]

its a full list of every item with the items that sell the most highlighted, but i get that it doesnt come full circle for you

[north glade]

My garden isn’t set up for water retain because I can’t be bothered.
It’s literally just the fact that I use it LESS than my other tools and somehow it decays so much faster than my other tools.

[floral talon]

oh ok well im using that so i dont need to water it that much maybe thjats why but still strange it goes broken so fast for you

[floral talon]

what is ur level?

[north glade]

My other friends have noticed it as well, one on same console as me and another on pc and they’ve noticed the same so I just wanted to ask if it’s like, glitched or what the heck cause I feel like it definitely wasn’t alway like this.

[floral talon]

i mean it does seem to get damaged faster but i always break my other tools first anyways but i think ur onto something

[remote needle]

I feel like mine does too.

[keen olive]

anyone have a garden layout for pumpkins which include apples, onions and tomatoes?

[kind bolt]

do you have to replant apple trees or are they like harvest moon and just chill forever

[covert heron]

You have to replant them. Takes a while before you have to though.

[wind totem]

Hey, when harvesting, is there anything you can do to ensure youll always get seeds back when you harvest? i finally set up my farm but ive been left completely broke and i dont see how its profitable at all (its really expensive to buy new seeds)? :( any tips?

[clear kindle]

you put your crops into the seed makers (gardening level 2 recipe from badruu) and you put your crops into those to get your replanting seeds.

[wind totem]

OHHH, okay that makes sense i didnt know that was a thing

[clear kindle]

some crops, like potatoes and bok choy prefer to be sold as seeds (there are other crops as well), so what you do is you keep as many seeds as you need to replant your garden and then sell the rest of them. the crafters run while you are offline (though your garden only grows one stage when you are offline) so you can put full stacks (or half stacks for bok choy) into them and let them run while you are doing irl things (school, work, sleep, life)

[wind totem]

ohh okay awesome thanks!

[random flame]

Thank you

[split egret]

yeah ofc lmk if u have any questions

[random flame]

In gardening or just overall? I only started playing last week so I’m like level 9/10 overall and gardening is only maybe 3/4 as I didn’t know what to plant.

[split egret]

well you can feel free to ask me any questions, and i believe anyone who thought they could help would do so; but more specifically i meant if my chart could provide more information 🙂

[thick tinsel]

Totally! I thought as I upgraded it would get damaged less. Doesn't seem to matter, it has got to be repaired pretty much every use. 🙁

[floral talon]

Ok u need low lv gardening layout then

[little matrix]

what is best garden layout to make pickled tatos ?

i'm new with lv8 gardening

[floral talon]

it depends on ur lv which is nice that u told it
do u need weedblock on it aswell?

[rustic carbon]

could someone help guide me through what crop layout would be best for me?

[floral talon]

Lv need waterretain need weedblock need for specific cooking?
Goal with the garden

[rustic carbon]

I have level 14 gardening, I am planning on getting into cooking more as I’m only level 7 and want to make more money in it so it would be good to have ingredients for it, I like doing the preserve jars with apples and making apple jams . Would like the garden to be good for profit, water retain, cooking ingredients and preferably more than one apple trees and I have no idea what weed block does benefit wise in fine picking the weeds off if that is all weeds do

[floral talon]

So for starters a little bit of everything so u got some stockpile?

Then u can grab a different one later

[rustic carbon]

do you have a layout recommendation? I found this one online but I’m unsure if it’s the best one or not https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-BBTBBPBkCO-BkRT.WCWP.WBk.HpCrCb.W-AAAAAAAAA-TPCbRWCrBk.HpC.HpO.Hp-AAAAAAAAA-O.HpC.HpBk.HpRWCoCbPT-AAAAAAAAA-T.WRO.HpP.WWCCb.WCoBk-BkCBkPSpSpTSpSp

also don’t know if it requires certain fertiliser, the crop layout methods are confusing to me

[floral talon]

Brb

[floral talon]

I wouldnt recommend that one to complex
And to low on hb

[rustic carbon]

do you have one that you would recommend?

[floral talon]

I think you need the weavein

Till u hit 25 or near

[rustic carbon]

do you have a link for that?

[floral talon]

Il grab in abit

[rustic carbon]

thanks

[rustic carbon]

I’ve done more research on gardening and wondering if there is a way to have 3 apple trees, every crop and 100% water retain and 100% weed retain, or 2 apple trees with this if 3 is impossible, even if it is a complex layout

[little matrix]

whatever is perfect to harvest more and have better quality

[floral talon]

harvest

[little matrix]

i'm new in game so i'm seeking guidance

[floral talon]

having both is best but the hb boost does +50%
while quality up is +50%chance at a +50%more value so hb is twice as good
getting both is best but ur level gives star chance to plus basic star chance thing

[hasty wolf]

Is anyone else having an issue planting seeds?

Its all good now, just had to restart the game

[storm yoke]

how the heck do i get rockhopper pumpkin seeds

[gray valley]

Either use essence from elderwood, or get lucky from missions

[split egret]

for those who need to grow pumpkins afk this season; this is 100% weed prevention and 100% water retention

This is very heavy on onions lol, but I like to grow onions!

[dusk rain]

What is reason for growing pumpkins? 🎃

[split egret]

for spooky season!

[open parcel]

You should be able to buy a pumpkin from Badruu's farm and then use the seed maker to turn it into seeds

[floral talon]

BUY pumpkin from badruu and seed it

[gray light]

I think the patch shrunk some of my bushes...Anyone else? D:

[covert heron]

It's a known bug with this patch, all bushes are now tiny and need to be watered.

[gray flume]

hi! i have only been playing for 2 days and there are sooo many different garden plans out there.

can someone suggest what is best for early game? i want to get into cooking asap and do cooking parties. basically what is the best layout and what crops should i include for both profit if i want to sell, as well as most commonly needed crops/materials?

thank you!!

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-CoCrPCbW.QCbPCrCo-CoCrPCbW.QCbPCrCo-CoCrP.QCbW.QCbPCrCo-Co.HSSCb.HSSPCrCo-CoAACbAAPAA-ACr.QPAW.QCbACr.YCo-CoBBCbBBP.QCrCo-CoCrPCbW.QCbPCrCo-CoCrPCbW.QCbPCrCosomething like this owuld be best at ur point in the game

its called hte weavein cuz its a different then displayed layout and u push the larger plants in

[long flax]

What would be the best gardening setup for Pumpkins to like maximize them ive got this that i just thought out but ugh...

maybe i should have scrolled up

[gray flume]

thank you! do i need all 9 plots to start?

[wind totem]

is it better to wait untill your entire feild of crops is grown to harvest, or should i just harvest whenever one crop finishes growing?

[jolly fern]

I am - I tried restarting and it's still broken 🙁

[knotty sparrow]

do i need to be able to cleanse the trees in the 3rd area before i can get the beans

[wind totem]

wait how did you plan your farm like this ? (like did you plan this on a site or is there something in game?) (sorry not an answer to your question)

[dusky sonnet]

is this bug will be fixed or we need to restart watering again?

[covert heron]

Good question. I wish I knew. I watered all mine again, but I don't have that many - I know other people have over 100, where watering them all would be a real chore.

[heady wind]

It shrunk mine too!

[long flax]

I used this website sorry been a bit busy didnt see your message https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/

[heady wind]

I harvest when they are done exclusively all the crops grow at different rates so I'll just replant stuff that grows faster

[wind totem]

all good! thank you! :)

[long flax]

np 😁

[wind totem]

makes sense!

[gray light]

Sadly I have watered them...they get their flowers, I water them again, the flowers disappear and it is a constant restart q_q Seems to be only the Flowering bushes stuck in a cycle

[distant horizon]

hey
what can make the most profitable garden?
like which seeds, plants

plus, i’d love to see your flower gardens
i have many flowers but don’t have a good idea about how to arrange them

[ruby timber]

profit fo how many days? was that?

can some help me optimize this one i m still learning tbh

in this one u just need to water them once every hour and its has weed prevention and harvest boost from the fretilizer

this is a 30 day profit at lvl 12 farming at lvl 25 u get 92k somthing

the crops will grow every 3 days

=3 hours irl

(tbh i dont like to take out weed everytime i get to my plot but i like watering the plants c: and its fast and profitable)

ik onions sell for more but they take 4 days to grow and carrots take only 3 days same a bok + onions take 10 more min in the jar then carrots do while having a slightly better selling price.

in the long run carrots can make up for it (and i personally dont realy like to plant when there are some plants left in the soil idk man just make me : bruh com on why dont the grow at the same time?)

if u have any sugestions or tips for me to improve in gardening i would be realy glad c:

have a nice one Palians 🙂

[ruby timber]

BTW i forgot this doesn't have to be on all 9 it can be 1,2,3...,9.

[supple stone]

You could fit in more Bok Choy by having the carrots slightly more spaced out, same spacing that a Knight can move in Chess (2 vertical, 1 horizontal or 2 horizontal, 1 vertical)

You won't fit loads more in, but a little

[ruby timber]

XP i never played chess

[supple stone]

Well I also explained it

[ruby timber]

i didnt get it

2 vertical in center line ore side line?

[ruby timber]

is this what u meant?

the knights move?

is it repeatable?

[ruby timber]

call me stupid but i spend another hour jsut making that a 9x9 plan lol here is the result

resulted in a 800 gold profit lmao

1.5 on lvl 25

there are 21 carrot seeds and 60 koy seeds + harvest fertilizer

[floral talon]

Start with one soil with the no large plants pattern till u got 9 soils and later put in the larger plants as shown

[unborn kestrel]

@ruby timber I don't get exactly the point what you are going to do but I made a calculation sheet on profit for a monoculture crop by cultivated for 30days without any fertilizer. So you have numbers to compare and make a decision what to plant or combine. Here it is:

For me personally I don't like to hord my crops in the storage because of lacking processing machines. That's why I always plant 4 blueberries. They are not super good money maker crops but one of the best money by short time candidates. And they give fertilizer boost so I can sell more fertilizer and don't have to use it. That's the same reason why I place 8 rice. And for my gameplay I hate to go back and water my garden. You can have only 8 or 9 weeds by a time so I don't care about weeding. But I hate to go back during my sessions to water my crops. That's why I use many potatoes and a few tomatoes to make it 100% self watering. And I know, Bok Choi is a great money maker so I plant a few. And don't forget about a apple day to make honey lures 🦋. So I ended with this layout. And every time I need a special crop for cooking, a quest or crafting I can swap it off with any purple highlighted spots without changing the whole layout. It's symmetrically and easy to remember. Maybe this inspired or help you 🫶🏼

[strange path]

Hey yall little question, do you level up gardening if you help friends with their garden?

(My friend is trying to get higher gardening so I want to know if I can let them help)

[floral talon]

dont think so watering dont even give xp and weeding i mena maybe it gives like 1 xp

[strange path]

Okay ty

[topaz shale]

What’s the best for money

[terse kernel]

can you guys show me your garden planners? i would like 100% water retain but im particular about what crops i want. i cant get my plan to map out right
i dont want bok choy or cabbage. i was trying to add pumpkins into my plan but i cant get it to work without losing some water retention or losing some weed prevention

this is what i currently use but want to add pumpkins somwhere

[strange path]

Does anyone knows if some vegetable gives more xp when picking up? Or they barely have any difference in xp ?

[clear kindle]

All crops give 4 exp per slot per day of growth. Regrowing crops give exp based on total grow time divided by number of harvests on each harvest.

so it basically comes down to if you want fast exp gains or don't mind waiting for a lump sum at a later time

[strange path]

tyy

[wraith tundra]

is it normal to only get 12 pumpkins from 5 different crops while using harvest booster? o.0

[fathom zinc]

Does anyone know if there is plans to expand the gardening limits, I feel like 9 patches of soil isn’t enough to keep up with the demand from ranching

[floral talon]

thats more then enuf how much food do u giv e em just jar it first

[barren fulcrum]

do people perfer quailty up fert or harvest boost fert

[mint sandal]

Harvest boost, 100%. Quality up is absolutely useless past level 35 I think it was? Whatever level it is that makes it so you have 100% chance to get starred crops from star seeds.

[floral talon]

25 for starred seeds 38 for unstarred but yeay ur point stands basically

but hte real answer is poeple prefer no fert cuz they are to lazy to btoher plamping it down 😄

[mint sandal]

Ty, I never remember the levels

And yeah, I'm one of the lazy people lol, I try to get my harvest boost as high as possible naturally while also keeping water and weedblock at 100% and hb the rest with fert

That reminds me I made a new everything garden layout last night and forgot to post here.

1 apple tree, 6 bushes, 100% water/weedblock, 15 14 ferts for 100% harvest boost

EDIT: it actually needs only 14 ferts, seems I put an unnecessary fert on the bottom middle potato by accident and didn't notice before aharing here

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-C.HTPBkCrBtTPBt-BkCCbBtBtBtBtBtBt-P.HT.HP.HBkO.HBkPTR.H-R.HBkCPmPmCbPmPmP-AAAAAAAAA-BkSSOSSCbPR.H-R.HCBkPT.HPC.HBk.HC.H-BBBBBBBkP.HCb-BBkOBWTOBkP.H_D360GtL75Cr0.AP-BtS-BP-PmP-SP-RS-PS-BkS-TP-CP-CrP-WS-CbP-OP

[open trench]

What kind of advice do people have for me as a starting player (lvl 11 currently) ?

[floral talon]

it has duhscapes approval though im not sure who would ever needd that many 2x2s those poeple probably exist