🌱│gardening

[neat vortex]

I stopped processing them because I was planning to cook with them instead

[supple stone]

Oh wow, was not expecting that haha

Actually, yeah, makes sense then

[neat vortex]

but then I got sidetracked with other projects and haven't felt up to cooking parties as much recently lol

[supple stone]

I never feel up to cooking parties 😄
So I get it

[severe pilot]

I did only have 7 :O

[supple stone]

yay, more storage space for you now!

[neat vortex]

Enjoy your fleeting experience of having storage space again! XD

[supple stone]

Well done on picking that up Ren haha

[severe pilot]

Storage space is shaking in its boots right now.

[haughty hare]

Okay another question. the same type of seeds for example 2 tomato plants next to each other will not give them both water retain right? it needs to be 2 different types. like tomato and potato?

at least that is what i am understanding.

[lean lion]

Correct

[supple stone]

If apples could give harvest boost to itself, you could make some very, VERY convenient layouts haha

[floral talon]

If only

[midnight jetty]

does anyone have an all crops layout with everything including the newer elderwood crops?

[supple stone]

A few are linked in this post. Probably more exist, I have kept meaning to search for more and make the post a bit clearer with short comment for each one...but keep forgetting and not happening rn haha
#🌱│gardening message

[strong tundra]

So in general, is it appropriate to say that I would sell starred items and seed non-starred? That way I can build a non-starred reserve?

[floral talon]

Depends on ur lv

[floral talon]

Someone likes tomatoes

[clear kindle]

hey, that's how i started

[supple stone]

Me too!

[floral talon]

XD i liek seeing poeple build such things mass production go monoculture go

[supple stone]

I don't think you need that much of a reserve of non-starred crops, personally.
In general, I'd say seed the starred to grow, more profit overall. Just save some of the unstarred if you want a bit of a stockpile

[supple stone]

Well, I wasn't monoculturing tomatoes, but putting all the buffs on them

[solemn furnace]

Hello! I have a question: Is there any way where I could get more seeds When I harvest my garden? I have the feeling that I truly get not much seeds often, which feels a bit depressing.. Do I do anything wrong? Is there any dung I need to use for it, or anything?

[supple stone]

No trick to it when harvesting your crops, always the same static chance. Not sure how high the chance is, maybe 10%?
However, once you hit level 5 gardening you can buy the seed collector recipe to make your own seeds from the crops (and starred crops give starred seeds 100% of the time, though some of them also have a small chance for a bonus unstarred seed sometimes)

[solemn furnace]

Thank you very much. Good to know I can craft it myself!

[late pendant]

Does the elderwood lilac not produce its own seeds?

Nvm, just saw the description. Bummer lol.

[sonic flare]

Here's a planner I came up with are there any improvements for it, like more efficient layout.

[neat vortex]

8 bushes and an apple tree is ambitious, haha

Efficient in terms of buffs, or in terms of gold production?

[sonic flare]

efficient in terms of gold production.

i made another as i forgot about the onions, half would be used for food and then gold

[robust folio]

Do water retention crops grow while I'm offline?

[neat vortex]

No, they finish the growth tick they started when you were online and then stop.

[neat vortex]

So, unfortunately, except for beans, all of the 2x2 crops are really not very good in terms of gold production, especially pumpkins, sadly. They have have higher per-crop values, but when you take grow time and number of tiles and yield into account, even after processing, they're pretty much the bottom of the pile.

Beans and apples are in the middle, with beans having a small advantage due to lower replanting costs (even more so if you're planting the bean seeds you get from foraging in Elderwood)

The current top cash crops, ranked by gold per tile per tick after solo processing (i.e., not taking them to a cooking party), are:

• bok choy (as seeds)
• potato (as seeds)
  (bok choy as preserves fall here)
• rice (as seeds)
  (pickled potatoes fall here)
• tomato (jarred)
• then corn (jar) and wheat (seeds) are tied for 5th, with cotton also in there, but past level 10 or so it's better to focus on harvest boost over quality up, so cotton is not recommended

Beans (seeds), carrots (jar), and apples (jar) are in the middle, with onion (jar) right on their heels.

Selling raw bok choy is the next in line, so to me, everything under that line is a utility crop for cooking: napa cabbage, blueberries, spicy pepper, and pumpkin

[mint sandal]

Made another everything garden, but this time with 6 bushes instead of just 4 (2 beans and 2 bloobs). I also ended up with 2 slightly different versions of it while I was playing around with it, but they're both 100% water retain/weedblock and both required 24 ferts to be 100% harvest boost. They both look very similar but I figured I'd share both
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-T.HOBkPBtBtBkBtBt-PCr.HPTCTPBkP-BkOT.HBtBtPBtBtBk-CBBTBBP.HBkP-AAAAAAAAA-BBCBBTPBkP.H-Cb.HO.HT.HPm.HPm.HPPm.HPm.HBk.H-CBkCR.HPW.HCCb.HC-T.HO.HCb.HPS.HS.HBk.HS.HS.H_D360L75
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-P.HBkCTBtBtCBtBt-PCr.HPTCTPBkP-CBkP.HBtBtTBtBtC-BkBBPBBT.HPBk-AAAAAAAAA-BBBkBBPBkPT.H-C.HBk.HO.HPm.HPm.HCbPm.HPm.HP.H-BkPBkW.HCbR.HBkO.HBk-O.HBk.HC.HCbS.HS.HP.HS.HS.H_D360L75

[runic bison]

General question: how do you level up your tools?

[pulsar arch]

you unlock recipes for better tools as you level up :) so keep an eye out at each guild store. and then you craft them at the craft table

[haughty hare]

Here is my everything garden https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-T.HP.WCo.QCb.WBBCo.QBB-Bk.HCb.QCr.QO.QT.HC.WW.QP.WCo-R.WP.WT.HPmPmCb.WPmPmR.W-Cr.HBk.QW.QCb.QP.HT.WW.QO.WCo-A.WA.WA.WA.WA.WA.WA.WA.WA.W-CoO.WW.QT.WP.HCb.QW.QC.QCr.H-R.WSSCb.WSST.HP.WR.W-CoP.WW.QC.WT.HO.QCr.QCb.QBk.H-BtBtCo.QBtBtCb.WCo.QP.WT.H

[supple stone]

61 fertiliser, yikes. I mean, you need a lot to get high coverage in 4 buffs, but high fert numbers still make me shudder slightly haha
What gardening level are you?

Just wonder how much benefit you're actually getting from all that quality up

[haughty hare]

Level 19

[supple stone]

So if using star seeds, you have a 88% chance of starred produce even without the quality up buff

[haughty hare]

I tried it out and it is actually quite easy to maintain, as my worm farms make the fert, except for the weed blocker, which i just buy from the general store.

[supple stone]

Cool, glad your layout works for you 🙂

[haughty hare]

I still use normal seeds to get star stuff, which i then throw in my seed collector to get star seeds

at level 25 i would not have to use the quality up anymore right?

when using star seeds

[supple stone]

Good way of doing things 🙂
At level 25, starred seeds will always give starred produce, yes

It's level 38 for unstarred seeds

[haughty hare]

yeah right now i am just building up my star seeds

[pseudo hemlock]

Anyone know which seeds i should sell for profit?

[floral talon]

bokchoi potato and stuff u cannot jar (cotton self use fabric only)

[neat vortex]

what DS said, but also, if you don't have the preserves jar unlocked yet, seeding things before selling them is better than selling raw crops

[proud robin]

trying to find a message from Ren that had a handful of min-max garden layouts, if anyone has that link...I've been looking for it and can't seem to find it! Basically just tryna get my bag yaknowwhatimsaying 🤑

[clear kindle]

is that the one you were looking for?

[proud robin]

yes!! thank you!

[wide mango]

Looking for some guidance here. I emptied all my storage and filled it up w harvest boost fertilizer. I have worm farms and seed makers running non stop. I am about to start my grow plans and turn them all into seeds to sell. Originally i was going to grow nothing but blueberries and sell the seeds and i thought this makes max profit by the time i run out of 18000 (my bags full too) fert but i started talking to deepseek ai about it and that led me to reddit where im seeing that apple seeds will make better profit but take longer but im finding conflicting charts from multiple sources so im hoping to get this cleared up before i start this grow cycle. Is apple seeds or blueberry seeds using harvest boost fert going to produce the most profit?

I talked w general earlier and they were saying check here bc apple jam may put out higher profit then blueberries jammed or seeded. Im just wanting the best outcome before i go any further. Currently my worm farm is eating pickled potatoes and i sell the worms off but as i refill the potatoes im oulling out 1 or 2 stacks and currently at a stand still and seeds take so long for apples

[supple stone]

General were right.

Bok choy, potatoes, rice, wheat, beans and cotton are all best for profit if seeded (though I rarely advise growing cotton for profit)

Everything else is best preserved.

This all assumes you are able to process everything without it backing up. If you don't have enough crafters or play so much you get backlogs, then things are different.

However, if you are looking for max profit, neither apples or blueberries are top for profit. Apples are about middle of the pack, blueberries near the bottom. Let me find a few posts.

[wide mango]

So i have 18k in fertilizer. I want to see how much money i can make so i was looking at what oroduces the most product to then wither flip or seed and now jam is an option but all the things ive read give apple and blueberry as highest output value so if there is a better option id love to know. I dont want to cook i want to grow and either jam or seed and sell. Im not able to cook nonstop so thats not really an option.

[supple stone]

From Ren, order of profitability for most profitable crops:
#🌱│gardening message

Some of the best layouts, with differing amounts of fertiliser :
#🌱│gardening message

Absolute best profit is all bok choy, blanket it with harvest boost and manually water/weed. Seed it all.

[wide mango]

So seeding bokchoy is better than jamming apples or blueberries? Am i understanding that correctly?

[supple stone]

Yes, by a lot. Just also a lot more labour intensive too

[wide mango]

Because of the seeding and manual watering?

[supple stone]

For reference, 80 gold per tile per day for Bok Choy after accounting for replanting costs.
Apples are 46.

And because bok choy needs replanting every 3 days, plus the manual watering/weeding

[wide mango]

So with harvest boost fert ill produce more bokchoy that sells for double what id get for apple jam/seeds bc i have more to seed and sell?

[supple stone]

Oh, those numbers I said already assumed harvest boost and starred produce for everything BTW

[wide mango]

Yes harvest boost and everything im growing is star seed so i get starred pridyce. Sorry i have a hard time grasping things some times. Thank you for all the help.

[supple stone]

But yeah, for the extra effort you'd get a lot more profit
Issue is you may not fit it all in one shipping bin haha

[wide mango]

Thats fine. I can fill my bag and take to zeki right?

[supple stone]

Of course

[wide mango]

Dope thanks this is so much help ❤️❤️

[supple stone]

All good

Also, I feel like I should mention that I've tried a high profit layout and personally got a bit fed up of all the effort involved, so hopefully you'll last doing it for how long your harvest boost fert lasts

[lean lion]

Same so went for a afk one with a good amount of bok choy. And do other stuff for that gold 😂

[supple stone]

Though tbf, I made a lot of money with Beans before they were nerfed. Loved how they worked, being super needy in terms of processing time but managing to stretch out the profit you got a bit further

[royal geode]

someone knows, how long does it take for the pumpkin to grow?
asked ingame,, but of course no answer as usual

[floral talon]

9 11 13 15

so first harvest 9 growthticks then 3 times 2 growthticks

[royal geode]

what are you talking about O.o

[floral talon]

a pumpkin takes that many growthticks

[supple stone]

Essentially, 15 in-game days total when you are online, but it has 4 harvests in total, the first is after 9 days

We say growth ticks because that's when things grow. Every in-game 6am when you have been online at all during the past irl hour, all your crops get a growth tick - so if they can grow, they grow 1 day worth of growth. In order to grow, it must not be already harvestable, be watered and have no weeds
If you just say it grows in x in-game days, it could cause a slight overestimate of when it will be ready for many players - hence we say growth ticks to make it more exact.

[royal geode]

thats an answer i can work with!
thank you so much!
my english is pretty bad >//<
(german native speaker)

[sturdy girder]

Hiya guys, im wondering does anyone have a guide i can use on the palia garden planner?

These are the seeds I have so far and im on lvl 4 gardening

[olive pumice]

Are you wanting instructions on how to use the planner or recommendations for layouts to try?

[brave maple]

Thought I'd add my layout in case it's helpful for anyone ❤️ Very good money per growth tick. $4532. I take the pickled tomatoes and onions and run them through two regular worm farms and two glow worm farms as well to get the fertilizer and worms for fishing. https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-Bk.HP.HBk.HO.HT.HO.HBk.HP.HBk.H-Bk.HP.HBk.HO.HT.HO.HBk.HP.HBk.H-Bk.HP.HBk.HO.HT.HO.HBk.HP.HBk.H-P.HT.HP.HBk.HO.HBk.HP.HT.HP.H-T.HP.HO.HP.HPm.HPm.HO.HPm.HPm.H-P.HT.HP.HBk.HO.HBk.HP.HT.HP.H-Bk.HP.HBk.HO.HT.HO.HBk.HP.HBk.H-Bk.HP.HBk.HO.HT.HO.HBk.HP.HBk.H-Bk.HP.HBk.HO.HT.HO.HBk.HP.HBk.H_D0NrcGbGtL50Cr0.BkP6-TP3-OP3-PP4-AP7

[supple stone]

I have only seen so much harvest boost fertiliser used in try hard full bok choy layouts (well, previously beans too, before they were nerfed)

[fallen hound]

Does anyone know what the best food item is for glow worm farms?

[supple stone]

Do you want cheap and slow or fast but more expensive?
The number of worms you get is entirely dependent on the value of the item you put in (same with fertiliser, high value = more fertiliser).
It ALWAYS takes 1 hour though.

If you want essentially free glow worms, cheap forage/meat gives you a profit on the item PLUS 1 glow worm, but you need a bunch of them running to get enough for fishing

If you want a good amount of glow worms to keep up with fishing frequently, I'd personally just recycle the fish you catch (at least, the ones you were going to sell anyway) into grilled fish, and feed them to the worms.
Food for profit cooking parties is also good for them

[fallen hound]

The description of the worm farms said something about they love fruit

[supple stone]

Sweet items tend to give quality up fertiliser rather than harvest boost (this isn't consistent, some items that you'd think are sweet give harvest boost, and Canned Beans for example is weirdly counted as sweet)
That's the only difference

[fallen hound]

I do have a few fish I can cook up

Unfortunately it only counts if the fish is in the same stack

[supple stone]

Put what you want to grill in your inventory (and no other fish) and don't specify a fish to grill, it can use 2 different fish if that's what's in your inventory. It will prioritise fish that are in the same stack though.

[sturdy girder]

Yes please :33

[supple stone]

Yes to which part of the question? What is it you're looking for help with, exactly?

[sturdy girder]

Both please:3

[supple stone]

The planner is fairly intuitive, you place crops in the layout you want and it gives you various data about it.
First off, you'll see how much of the layout is covered by the different buffs (each crop gives a particular buff to its neighbours, as long as it isn't the same crop). You don't have 2x2 bushes or apple trees yet, but they need 2 (for bushes) or 3 (for apple) crops giving the buff to actually have it.
Often in here we try to get 100% coverage of harvest boost, water retain and weed block, though at level 4 you might also benefit from some quality up to help get more starred stuff quicker.

Then, in the settings tabs, you can alter how the profit from the layout is worked out and displayed. You can change it to be per growth tick rather than irl hour (easier to work with imo), you can make it calculate how it is when you are processing your crops not selling them (helps with working out how many of each crafter you need and gives you more accurate profit numbers)

You can also alter the layout if you want - it doesn't have to be a 3x3 grid of the soil plots, you can have different shapes if you want.

As for layouts, one sec, let me find some posts
While I'm finding them, any questions?

[sturdy girder]

That all makes sense to me tysm 😊 :33

But ill think of questions tho

[supple stone]

#🌱│gardening message has a bunch of good layouts if you're looking for money from processing things yourself. Cooking parties with your grown produce is actually better for money, but not for everyone - I never do parties myself, not my thing.
Bullseye (in the linked post) is a good one with low fertiliser needs (you can skip the fertiliser too, still a convenient layout - just mildly less profitable). It has a good variety of crops for cooking with, and you can sub out crops to ones with the same buff if you need more of them for cooking.

Another one of note is Duh's confetti layout - #🌱│gardening message
Has quality up, due to the abundance of cotton, but also needs a bunch more fertiliser. Quality up will help a bunch with your profit at gardening level 4, but as you level up (and when you start using star seeds), it becomes less effective.

Not having the 2x2 crops and apple trees really doesn't make a difference for profit farming, as while they're more convenient, they are less profitable than the single-tile crops in almost all cases.

Of course, you don't need to use a layout that has 100% coverage of all the buffs if you like weeding/watering manually (some people like doing the gardening each day). But I'd always recommend having full coverage of harvest boost buff, as it's just 50% more profit.

Hope that helps a bit, feel free to tag me if something isn't clear enough.

[olive pumice]

Lol, what they said 😄

Like, all of it. Thanks C.S. You're always really helpful with this stuff

[sturdy girder]

Tysmmn

[supple stone]

As long as you're willing to sit and read the essay I invariably write 😄

[floral talon]

and if u ever need a 1 sentence 0 context answer ask duhscape

[olive pumice]

I am and usually REALLY need the thorough explanation tbh. Especially if I'm completely lost, which happens a lot more than I'd like 😄

[olive pumice]

From what I've seen, you're incredibly helpful if someone knows WHAT they need, but doesn't know how to get it. Usually, people in that situation are really frustrated, so the simple answer is refreshing, honestly

[floral talon]

tyvm

[pale reef]

@limpid pivot this is what I use

There’s also these

[upbeat quail]

Just something I’ve been thinking of, I NEED more garden plots😔😔

[pale reef]

Me too :(

[grand vector]

by chance has anyone found a layout with 100% water and weed prevention with the new seeds, added?

[supple stone]

Almost certain there'll be a layout for you here, but could you be more specific?
Are you looking for a layout with every crop in it or a focus on the newer crops with water/weed buffs?
And are there any crops you would want more or less of, for cooking or (in the case of apples) lures?

[supple stone]

Well, I'm gonna have to head off real soon, so going to just leave this link to a message that links to a few different everything gardens in case it's helpful, Rosetta:
#🌱│gardening message

Oh, and Astrea made a new everything garden recently too.
#🌱│gardening message

Really need to go make a presentable everything garden link portal at some point, with brief explanations. Maybe tomorrow if I remember

[grand vector]

right now 100% water reetain and weed prevention. I need cash but also have quests to do so a mix of everything. I did find 2 variations so far when scrolling up
#🌱│gardening message

[supple stone]

yeah, I just linked that one in my post

[grand vector]

ty ty

[supple stone]

Check out the links, there will be a selection of different everything gardens. Most have 100% harvest/water/weed buffs

If nothing suits, I could try and help modify one for you tomorrow, but heading off for now (someone else might be around at some point too)

[mint sandal]

I made a couple everything garden that include the new crops, and I always make my layouts 100% water/weedblock cause I don't wanna have to drop everything I'm doing every time 6am hits to go water and then the garden lol

[rustic tapir]

Currently i use this , using hydro-ferts for apples every 9_10 hours , quest and party and farming friendly

[floral talon]

thats actually not a bad layout at all

[rustic tapir]

Thanks , I change around in crops but keeping the same buffs so I don’t have to re-fert

I tend to cook a lot so I keep monitoring my crops supplies

[silent otter]

anyone have any recommendations for highest like, xp-per-hour afk layout?
ideally something with stuff you can harvest multiple times, i don't really care what i just like low maintenance lol
i don't mind dumping a bunch of fertilizer on things, just want efficient xp and i sometimes forget to water+weed

[neat vortex]

all crops give the same XP per tile per growth tick, so any layout that has crops that otherwise suit your needs will work :)

The diamond Apple layout or the 5 apple layout would work well perhaps, tomatoes as one of the water retain crops

Ime bushes tend to require more single tile support crops in total than apple trees do, so for most "just let it keep chugging" tiles out of your 81, apples are a good bet

Or there is DuhScape's 6 apple "fert slurper" layout if you don't mind some bought fertilizer

#🌱│gardening message

sylvablade also has a few layouts that are bushes and apples, but only the multi-harvest crops are AFK buffed, since thats all that is intended to be harvested with those (though this will negatively affect your XP gains if you leave tiles idle)

[clear kindle]

apples without focus bonus give something like 240-ish exp per harvest, with focus boost i think is something like 500-ish, just fyi for what it's worth

[neat vortex]

Still the same 4 base XP per tile per tick as every other crop :) they just grow unattended for longer if buffed

[honest ridge]

Hi guys, I'm new player and I can't afford the elaborate gardening plans that's touted in guides, I just started the game. Is potatoes and tomatoes good starter crops, please?

[supple stone]

Welcome to the game 🙂
Potatoes and Tomatoes are very good, both are profitable and they give the water retaining buff meaning you won't need to water your garden except when replanting. Weeding will still be necessary, but that's far less trouble.
I would advise mixing in some rice + wheat or corn too though, as that will increase how much you harvest from the garden by 50%

Do you have your second soil plot yet, or are you still on a single one?

[honest ridge]

Just have the first two, apparently I can get more from Badruu so I'll check when he wakes up XD

and thank you 😄

[supple stone]

You don't need to wait for him to wake up, you can just go to his door and there will be a prompt for 'Talk to Badruu'
Possible for all villagers, and so SO useful. I didn't realise at first either haha

But yeah, buying more soil plots is well worth it, and one of the main ways to actually increase how quick you can level up gardening (other than the focus boost buff from Phoenix Shrine)
At least, assuming you always have something growing

[honest ridge]

Ahh I don't seem to be able to open his guild store 😮

[supple stone]

What level is your gardening?

[haughty hare]

Oh this one looks very close to my new one i came up with. I call it my lazy garden haha

[supple stone]

If I was going to do something like that, I'd go full in and use Duh's 6 apple layout haha
Can't get a lazier garden than that really
#🌱│gardening message

With that 5 apple layout, you're already needing a huge amount of harvest boost fert, afterall
Granted, no bought fertiliser needed with that 5 apple layout, but buying a few stacks from Zeki every couple weeks isn't a big deal for me

[haughty hare]

Yeah exactly i hated running to Zeki to buy fert every time, which is why i came up with this one.

Plus my worm farms are drowning me in harvest fert. this is a good way to say goodbye to that haha

[supple stone]

You say run to Zeki every time, but you can stack up to 99 fert on a tile

If you play 6 hours a day, that's over 2 weeks irl time you don't need to go to Zeki's

[haughty hare]

that's true lol

[supple stone]

But I get it, you're not alone in the crowd that don't like buying fert from Zeki

For me though, I just try to get my amount of fertiliser down in general. When it DOES come time to reapply the fert, it just feels so tedious haha
The trip to Zeki's pales in comparison to just sitting there spamming fert onto the tiles for me personally 😄

At least it is much quicker to put fert on apples/bushes

(At the cost of them needing fert applied far more regularly)

[haughty hare]

Yeah i also read that there was a bug before if you had put 99 fert in the slot.

That bugged out your garden.

changed it again slightly

[supple stone]

I've never had my garden bug out with 99 fert personally
But only started playing after EW

But yeah, seen the corn (or equivalent) in the middle of those soil plots before 🙂

[haughty hare]

Yeah it just increased the profit and i use 4 fert less lol

[supple stone]

The profit going up is probably more because you took out cabbage.
If you had 3 bok choy, 2 onions/carrots, 2 tomatoes and 2 potatoes per non apple soil pot, I reckon the profit would be higher
I say onion/carrot as they're basically equivalent for profit, though onions are more useful for cooking

But, that would of course be needing the 2 fert in that 3x3 rather than 1

Also, rice is more profitable than corn btw

[haughty hare]

Is rice more profitable? i just kind of looked to the sell price and saw corn sold for more

[supple stone]

Because it has a longer growth time. Rice grows in 3 days and is in top 5 most profitable crops.
You seed it, whereas you preserve corn (so corn helps a little better if you put your preserves in the worm farms)

Also, when I say profitable, I mean gold per growth tick per tile it grows on.

Rather than how much you get from 1 sale

As that might be total revenue, but doesn't account for how long it took to grow and what you could have got by growing other things in that space in the same time

[haughty hare]

Currently i use like muschrooms

[supple stone]

Mushrooms are good for cheap fertiliser, as long as you're not buying them at least

[haughty hare]

I did not know you could buy mushrooms

but what is the best to use for the worm farms, that you can easily produce and stacks nicely. is that preserves?

[supple stone]

So... That really depends.
The higher the value of the food you put in, more worms and fertiliser you get out.
The cheapest way to make worms /fert is by using the cheap EW mushrooms. But it's slow.
If you want more expensive (ie, less profit in terms of produced value) but quicker fert/worms, higher value food is best. Grilled fish and food from profit based cooking parties are some of the best options
But, if you want lazier options, preserves from your garden are also good

[haughty hare]

Yeah i tried grilled fish and sashimi too

but i did not feel i got a lot of worms from that

Plus the stacking was a bit of a problem if you use different type of fish

[honest ridge]

Ah, level 2, too low?

[supple stone]

No, you should be able to access the store at level 2. Maybe try again, and if it doesn't work, reload the game?

[honest ridge]

Where is this store, please? It's with Badruu right?

[supple stone]

Higher value of fish, higher number of worms.
I generally use the glow worm fish that I would have sold (mostly commons/uncommons, sometimes rares).
Using ponds as an example. Only using fish caught with glow worms:
Common fish give 4 glow worms per grilled fish, 6 if starred
Uncommon fish give 8 glow worms per grilled fish, 12 if starred
Rare fish give 18 glow worms per grilled fish, 27 if starred
Epic fish give 49 glow worms per grilled fish, 73 if starred

[supple stone]

Yeah it should be from Badruu

He's the Gardening Guild rep

[coral sage]

It depends on what you're looking for, but if you scroll up a little bit to just yesterday evening, Cysruleon has tagged several great plot layouts.

[honest ridge]

Thank you!

[supple stone]

What exactly are you looking for?
If you want minmaxed layouts, maybe try the layouts linked here
#🌱│gardening message

Just a note that bushes and apples are convenient but not the most profitable, so they aren't included in the minmaxed layouts

[small sleet]

Does anyone know where I can even get apple trees / apples? I’ve unlocked honey lures a whilleeee ago but can’t seem to get apples or apple trees. Is the only way to get them thru buying them with medals from Badruu?

[supple stone]

No, you can get 1 for free from Badruu on reaching either level 9 or 10 gardening as a gift (forgotten which) and Zeki / Nai'o level 3 friendship quests also give an apple seed as a reward

Fair enough, well if you find out what they want, we can give more advice

[small sleet]

thanku so much! It’s level 10 then as I’m already level 9. Can’t wait to be able to craft the luresss

[haughty hare]

wow i did not know this. but it's hard to get epic fish for glow worms.

[haughty hare]

So it's actually good to use starred epic fish as even 1 epic grilled fish give 73 worms 😮

[supple stone]

Debatable. If you need a quick injection of glow worms, they're great. When I started glow worm fishing, I use starred rare fish from worm fishing and got 25 or so glows from memory, was a great jump start. After that, using the common /uncommon glow worm fish I caught was more than enough to keep up with my fishing habits. Remember, crafters keep running while you're offline. So load them up, and when you come on the next day, you have a bunch of glows to use.

I should mention though, epic fish have different values. The values I posted were for the Pond fish (been doing a fair bit of pond fishing recently, hence using them as my example). The Pond Epic is Giant Goldfish. You would get a few less glows with some other epic fish as Giant Goldfish actually has a high sell price for an Epic.
Also, keep in mind that you need 2 fish to grill (if you have them in your inventory, you can mix species of fish if they're the only 2 fish in the inventory). So that would mean 2 starred giant goldfish for the 73 glow worms.
And lastly, you do have a chance for unstarred fish to become starred grilled fish (very nice when it happens - free 50% bonus value)

[fleet copper]

Hello. Does anyone perhaps have no apple 100% water retain 100% harvest boost garden layout. With 2-3 beans and 2 peppers and a little bit of onions, with bushes staying within 3x3. If no that’s fine

[clear kindle]

i'm also just going to throw this out there, do what you will with the information, you can buy glow worms from einar for 10 guild coins for 20 worms once you've reached level 10 to help supplement the worm farms. if you don't need (or want) anything else from the guild, don't forget to use them for something

[south patrol]

I'm probably late to the party but, is the only way to get speedy grow fertilizer is now from the gardening store? We can no longer get them from worms now?

[fleet copper]

Only from gardening store

[clear kindle]

honestly not worth trying for the speedy grow fert. it's been broken for so long, outside of the quest that needs it, don't know why they are still in the game

[south patrol]

Are you saying it doesn't work now?

[supple stone]

Off the top of my head, the Bullseye with bush substitution sounds like it fits considering no apple. The bushes could easily be subbed out to be 2 bushes, 2 peppers.
Might be able to find something different a bit later.
#🌱│gardening message

[fleet copper]

Thank you very much

[clear kindle]

if i remember right, it didn't work properly with the other buffs. found this from a reddit post about it - SpeedyGro (the buff in general) has been bugged to heck for at least 10 patches, so much so that the Palia Garden Planner even ignores it by default unless you toggle a setting. In my experience, it applied the buff inconsistently and also interacted very poorly with the HarvestBoost buff (and, from reports, with QualityUp as well) where it would make a plant "skip" consuming a fertilizer for the bonus growth tick... which would then knock the proc chance on the buff down below 100%. this post was a year ago

[crude mulch]

Does anyone have a potato plantation?

[neat vortex]

like only planting potatoes in your garden?

[orchid sinew]

my very first apple harvest 😭 Im so happpyyy

GIMME DAT MONEYZ

[sweet storm]

Anyone that's good at designing layouts - I'm looking for a 1x3 gardening plot that contains as many of the following; onions, rice, corn, potatoes, tomatoes. Ideally 100% weed retaining and 100% water retaining!

[supple stone]

Something like this?
You didn't mention if you wanted to use fertiliser or not, so this is no fertiliser (though harvest boost on 9 spots would get it 100% harvest boost)
As water retain/weed block are the primary focus, that means less rice/corn included...is there enough?

[neat vortex]

I have a module that can be repeated on as many soil plots as you like

#🌱│gardening message

I'm not sure how the HB percentage works out when you tile it linearly

CS's version is great too

[sweet storm]

omg this is so perfect, thank you so much!!

[neat vortex]

Yeah, CS's version is more efficient than the one I shared, I double checked :)

[supple stone]

If using fertiliser and 100% harvest boost is wanted, can get the fertiliser needs down a bit using a layout similar to bullseye

[proper geode]

Is this good? Anything that should be swapped around?

[supple stone]

In general, you want to alternate things that have the same buff. A potato can't give water retain to another potato, but it will give it to a tomato.
So bottom left corner, extending right to the cabbages, you could do potato - tomato - cabbage - potato - tomato - cabbage - etc and everything would have water retain (it works with just 2, you don't need all 3).
By moving things around you could get a much better coverage of buffs.
Also, a lot of that harvest boost fertiliser you have on everything is doing nothing as the crops are already adjacent to something giving harvest boost.

If you just want a layout to use that has some of everything, there are plenty in the channel, but I appreciate it is a fun puzzle (to some of us) to come up with your own layout, so let me know if you want more hints or just layouts. I'll be afk for a while though, so won't be able to respond straight away

[proper geode]

I thought harvest boost stacked?? I’ve had crops with harvest boost 1 and then some with like 4

[supple stone]

I answered this earlier actually #🐣│palia-newbies message

[proper geode]

Ohh so when it still keeps the pink petals it’s cause of the crop beside it?

[proper geode]

If you do have a template of all the crops I’d be happy with that honestly I just need lots of cotton and onion since I always seem to run out

[supple stone]

Correct.

I'm not aware of many everything gardens with lots of cotton, we don't tend to recommend it past gardening level 10 or so.
For making fabric, it's rather inefficient as it needs 2 cotton per fabric, and you only get 3 cotton per 5 days... It's honestly cheaper to grow something else and buy the fabric from Tish's cash register

#🌱│gardening message
Has a few different everything gardens linked, you can swap out some bok choy/carrot for more onions in most of them (just keep it so that each onion is next to a carrot or bok choy)
Also, Astrea Moreno makes a lot of everything gardens, if you search her posts in this channel and filter for links you'll find a bunch

If you want help adjusting one of the layouts, just say

[proper geode]

Thanks a lot ! honestly earning enough to just buy it from Tish is super smart! I’ll check out this recommendations

[proper geode]

I like this one! I think it’s pretty good and then I can just put the glowing fertiliser on the ones without stars?

[supple stone]

Glowing fertiliser? Do you mean the quality up one? If so, what level gardening are you? Quality up buff becomes less and less necessary as you level up gardening

[proper geode]

I think I just reached level 13 I’m very forgetful when it comes to my garden 😅

[supple stone]

Well, if using starred seeds, you'll have a 76% starred produce chance without any quality up buff at level 13

Quality up buff boosts the chance by 50%, so you kinda only get half the effect now. But it would guarantee you getting starred produce.
Up to you really 🙂

It can be useful to have some unstarred produce in storage for when you accidentally cook without clicking 'use starred ingredients', or if you want to fulfil requests.
At a later point, you will be unable to get unstarred crops at all

[proper geode]

Okay thanks! I’ll try it out as is and see how it goes before wondering if it needs anything added

[radiant cradle]

Hi! Is it true each soil square has a 'stack' of maximum 99 fertilizer? If i focus in only one fertilizer, can I just stack them then instead of placing a new once each day?

[floral talon]

Yup

[radiant cradle]

Thank you very much

[sharp forum]

is it possible to remove a crop that's already been placed

[main crag]

secondary action with the hoe

anyone has a good garden for soon tofu ingredients?

[supple stone]

What else do you want in the garden?

[sharp forum]

doesn't work

[supple stone]

PC or console?

[sharp forum]

switch lite

[supple stone]

Is switch ammo X or Y?
Well, one of those buttons. Stand over the crop you want to destroy (you won't get anything back) with the hoe equipped and hold that button. You'll whack the crop 3 times to destroy it

[sharp forum]

thanks I see the x to remove them

CoCoz I want to change from apple trees and and jam to pumpkin

[main crag]

nothing much, this is what i got https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-BkTPOBtBtPBtBt-OBkTSSRSSR-POBkBtBtTBtBtP-TRRBkSSOSS-TPTPOPTPT-SSOSSBkRRT-PBtBtTBtBtBkOP-RSSRSSTBkO-BtBtPBtBtOPTBk_GtL25 i guess im looking for one with better weed block

i have another one https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-OBkSTPSBkRBt-STSSPSBtOBt-SBkOSPTBtRBk-ORBtTPOORBt-BtPBtPTPBtPBt-BtROOPTBtRO-BkRBtTPSOBkS-BtOBtSPSSTS-BtRBkSPTSBkO_GtL25Cr0.WS

[supple stone]

This is what I use, for reference, and Soon Tofu is my main focus food of choice.
#🌱│gardening message

You do NOT need that many peppers in comparison to the Beans btw, each Soon Tofu uses 3 Beans but 1 Spicy Pepper

[main crag]

i know lol it was just symmetrical

[supple stone]

Yeah, I appreciate that

[supple stone]

Not symmetrical, and needing a bit of fertiliser (I reckon could get it down a little but have to go do dinner so not got time right now)
The no weed block on that top right corner is also rather annoying haha

But probably a better ratio of Beans to Spicy Peppers

How many Soon Tofu are you wanting to make per day though?

[main crag]

honestly probably only 10 per day, also some of them not blocking weed is fine cause i still got the weed whacker accomplishment incomplete

[supple stone]

Then you probably don't need this many beans/peppers, realistically

#🌱│gardening message something like this with 3 Beans, 1 pepper as the corner bushes might be enough (would need 8 harvest boost fert per growth tick)

[main crag]

okay great, thanks

[honest ridge]

Hi guys, I heard tomatoes should survive harvest after harvest, but sometimes mine disappeared. Do you guys know why, please? Is it because of weed or is it because I used star tomatoes seed or it is just how it is?

[supple stone]

They last 10 days, total of 4 harvests. Nothing survives indefinitely after harvests. Longest lived crop are apple trees which last 30 days

[rigid cobalt]

Please make it so that if a user uses their hoe to destroy a crop the game will ask for confirmation to be sure. Just recently I destroyed two of my crops by accident when I only wanted to till the soil.

[wintry portal]

Hiii! Can I see gardens pleeeaaase? I need inspo BAD😭😭

[olive pumice]

Don't know if you found what you needed, but another option for inspiration (my go-to) is to head to the decor channel and do a search for garden. They make some amazing stuff 🙂

[radiant cradle]

Is the effect of fertilizer ''useless'' if the layout already have that effect?
For example, if my layout guarantee Quantity, using the quantity boost fertilize would be a waste? (It wont do anything because the effect is already guaranteed). Is that right?

Just want to make sure I am understanding it correctly. Or if the fertilize will boost even more the quantity.

[main crag]

yes

[radiant cradle]

Thank you

[supple stone]

!feedback
You saying this here does nothing. The devs don't read this channel. You'll want to submit feedback the website.
Personally I'm not sure it's an issue as a health bar pops up and it's slow, so I found it intuitive

[compact coral]

Feedback & Suggestions

Looking for where to share your game feedback & suggestions for Palia?

• To share feedback directly with the team: https://palia.info/feedback
• To discuss issues with other players: #🦋│issues-discussions
• To read the latest Dev Updates: https://palia.com/news
• For bug reports, contact: https://support.palia.com

[honest ridge]

Ahhh. Thank you!!!

[supple stone]

Not sure what sort of garden you are looking for, but here are some links to profitable gardens:
#🌱│gardening message
And here some links to gardens that have at least one of every crop:
#🌱│gardening message
(Also, searching messages by Astrea Moreno and filtering for images/links is a good way to see everything gardens too)

There are also some lazier layouts with more of a focus on apples for less replanting effort.
Duh's 6 apple #🌱│gardening message
Sylva's afk apples #🌱│gardening message
My less lazy but still apple/bush-centric layout (beans and spicy pepper for soon tofu) #🌱│gardening message

[small sleet]

now thats just rude

[verbal owl]

Gosh i feel really stupid rn but how can i move my soil to new plot bc its empty but i still see some fertilizer do i just have to plant and wait and plant till its gone?🥲🥲

[supple stone]

Not 100% on this as never done it myself, but I think the soil needs to be completely untilled (takes 2 irl days from last tilling) AND have no fertiliser anywhere in it. That includes hidden under an untilled tile.
There's no way to only remove fertiliser, but you can put 1 fertiliser of a different type down to get all the fertiliser on that tile back.
You may need to do that, plant a crop to use the 1 tick of fertiliser and then you can wait for the crop to grow or destroy it

[verbal owl]

Ah thanks ❤️ sometimes this games makes simple things so hard 😂

[supple stone]

If only using the destroy a crop function of the hoe also removed fertiliser and untilled the tile...

[radiant cradle]

possible to place many of the same fertilizer at once? x5 at a time, x10 at a time, etc.

[supple stone]

You can only place fertiliser one at a time sadly. It's my main issue with using fertiliser tbh

[radiant cradle]

thank you

[round needle]

Not me watering my plants at 5:59am and when it turns 6am all my just watered plants need to be watered again
I thought I was crazy

[main dagger]

Anyone have a link to maximum exp layout? Done with everything farming just wanna get from 44 to 50.

[supple stone]

#🐣│palia-newbies message
What is best for exp depends on you.
If you're more likely to forget to harvest/replant occasionally, lots of apples might be better.
If you're not good at keeping focus topped up, you could lose out on exp from crops - especially from apples which give a lot of exp. This would make single tile crops better

[main dagger]

Good at keeping focus topped, not always the most diligent daily farming. Apples it is 😆 ty

[supple stone]

Then maybe Duh's 6 apple layout? #🌱│gardening message
Honestly, if all you care about is exp, you actually don't need the harvest boost fert either (though personally, I would use it. But, it IS a large amount of fertiliser to use...)

[main dagger]

Great ty! Yeah I have a ton of raw meat to crunch up in glow worm farms so fert is easy for me. Hunter level 72! :).

[supple stone]

Raw meat might struggle to keep up, unless you have loads of glow worm farms
The amount of fert (and worms) you get is based on the value of the item
But, you CAN get a stockpile overnight while not playing, so whether it is enough or not depends entirely on how many crafters you have and how many hours you play a day

[cobalt zealot]

hey! so y’all know those optimized farm layout ideas that people share online? is the idea to replant the crops the moment they’re harvested, or do you just let the full 9x9 garden be harvested first and then replant?

[neat vortex]

The garden planner's calculations assume you harvest and replant immediately as soon as the crops are ready. You can do whatever you like, though you will obviously lose out on potential revenue if you delay on harvesting.

That said, since it's easiest to replant one crop at a time anyway (so you don't have to redo the whole layout from scratch each time, just replace each plant with the same one or its synonym), to me it doesn't make too much difference, effort-wise.

[cobalt zealot]

forgot to respond but tyyyy :3 helps me understand my “palia routine” better hehe

[coral sage]

It is probably easier to do that for most. I found it to be annoying for me to harvest and then add each time. Instead I keep the planner up on my second monitor and just reference it each time I plant. I eventually get pretty used to the layout and I could probably write it down by heart at this point

[neat vortex]

Whatever works best for you is the right way for you to do it! \o/

[strong tundra]

Can we get the most referenced layouts pinned?

[cyan talon]

Anyone check this for me. This any good?

Im low on seeds so I only have those types

[neat vortex]

In those numbers? i.e., don't have more than 2 potato seeds?

[pale reef]

Also depends on how often you garden

[cyan talon]

Yh…. I may or may not have gone on spree selling

The extra seeds on the plan I just got through request

[neat vortex]

Perhaps you could buy some from the general store as a stopgap? I'm just thinking that your water retain and weedblock could be higher in spots if you didn't have 2 of the same crop next to each other

[neat vortex]

I have no idea how we would go about doing this, unfortunately. Right now there isn't really a document or site to collect them properly, and as changes happen in the gardening system (new crops, etc.), old layouts can quickly become obsolete

[strong tundra]

I keep searching for the layouts already mentioned to me several times and also referenced to others. I would imagine they would be helpful enough to try to have a pin for a short while. It would be easy to update.

[clever blade]

Does anyone have a layout that is pretty to look at, with maybe a few buffs? Like rows of stuff combined? I dont want a the typical messy looking layout for max efficiency and profit. I want pretty. Any bonus/buff combos is a plus

[supple stone]

What's pretty to look at might be subjective...
What crops do you find the prettiest?

[clever blade]

Pretty as in, not planted like a chessboard

[supple stone]

You can always save the links to the Discord messages somewhere - notepad, windows sticky note, a personal discord server... Whatever suits you.
Mods can pin messages but those of us who are active here cannot. So asking here when mods aren't really present here often isn't really going to change anything.
Besides, not even sure what would be pinned. There are a lot of layouts floating around here
#🌱│gardening message would certainly be a contender but not sure what else would

[clever blade]

A little more systematic. I want all crop types planted, i dont mean appearance of the crop themselves. I just dont want them to be planted around randomly it looks like a complete mess. You understand what I mean? For max efficiency and buff then none of the crops are grouped together they are like spread out like a crazy jungle

Its like someone poured all of the crop seeds into one bag, shook it up and planted them randomly in the garden.

So i want it a little more neatly organized but still take advantage of some of the buffs. I understand i wont get all the buffs that way, and thats fine

[supple stone]

You could have specified from the start you wanted every single crop. Makes a big difference, as I thought you just wanted lines of some different crops.
Do you have the link to the garden planner? It might be better for you to plan a garden yourself, and if you wanted help with how to order things for best buff efficiency we could help then?
As I said, pretty is rather subjective.

[clever blade]

I'm asking for layout ideas, so people who already have what im looking for can post pics

Inspiration

[supple stone]

As someone who reads most messages in here, I haven't really seen anything similar to what you describe.

Also, fertiliser might be a big friend for you, if you want to use it. Would help you to get a much larger coverage of buffs.

[clever blade]

So everyone uses max profit and efficiency layout?

[supple stone]

Definitely not. But most layouts posted here take advantage of the buff system

[clever blade]

Looking for something in the middle then

[supple stone]

Max profit is a field of bok choy and blanketed with harvest boost fertiliser.
Then you have lazy, more convenient layouts which have high buff coverage with apples and bushes to reduce replanting effort. This comes at a cost to profit.

You might be more fond of these layouts, but they don't have one of everything.

[floral talon]

Casual player u want hb and waterretain at least

[clever blade]

I see. I guess people play the game differently. I should say I'm not planning for profit. Want all crops so i can make all recipes. And yeah i guess ill just Google images for inspiration

[floral talon]

We can make that u need it super simple to plant right at the expanse of buffs

Basically u wanna use ur layout as a fridge grabbing whatever u need

[supple stone]

I mean, we can help plan a layout, but what sort of pattern are you looking for? You're not exactly giving a lot of info on that, only 'pretty' which, again, is subjective

[floral talon]

Lean wants simple to plant

[supple stone]

I get you don't want crops scattered

[clever blade]

Dont have to be simple, i just dont like the mix planted layouts. Preferably crops planted in rows or groups

🫣

[floral talon]

Il make one when im at pc

[clever blade]

Yea mainly for food so thats why i want all types of crops hehe

[floral talon]

Random dish cooker xd

[clever blade]

I could place them down to look nice but id like to take advantage of some of the buffs if possible.

[clever blade]

Ah thats nice of you. You dont have to make one, i was just thinking of people had pics i could use for inspiration 🫣

[floral talon]

We tend to only collect minmaxed or super ez plantable u want something in between to make it pretty xd

[supple stone]

You'd ideally want a lot of fertiliser too, but something along these lines?

[clever blade]

Ooo what is that program

[supple stone]

The buff coverage is poor, but you would be able to get 100% water retain and harvest boost using fertiliser

That's why I asked if you had the link to the garden planner earlier...

[clever blade]

I dunno what that is lol

[supple stone]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/

You could have asked...

[clever blade]

Thanksssss

I didnt understand you🥺

I can sense im annoying you, ill go away

[supple stone]

I wouldn't have been offended if you had said that at the start, that's all I'm getting at. You're not annoying me. I check this channel to try and help people out afterall.

But if you want to work out a pattern you find pretty, I'd be happy to help try and optimise it for buffs

[clever blade]

I'll try the planner when i get home, it looks really neat

[supple stone]

It is very neat 🙂

[haughty hare]

Question: can you add 99 fert per plot or per square? i thought it was per square but i panted like apple trees and after trying to add 10 it said it was maxed

[floral talon]

@clever blade did u get what u want yet or still need a layotu made?

[supple stone]

It is per tile technically, but for multi-tile crops you can only have 1 tile with fertiliser on it.
But it takes 4 or 9 fertiliser with every click depending on if it's a bush or apple tree, so those 10 clicks was 90 fert

It takes more with each click because it uses that many per in-game day. Bushes need 4 fertiliser per day, apples need 9. SO 1 per tile it sits on.

[clever blade]

Im trying out the planner soon, just getting home first 😊

[haughty hare]

Ah that was going to be my next question. like how many days it would stay fertilized.. like dang that takes a lot of my fertilizer haha

[supple stone]

Yeah, I tend to just fertilise the single tile crops as it lasts so much longer personally.
99 days vs 24 vs 11...big differences

But then, I planned my layout around that

[clever blade]

Fertilizer seem like alot of work. I was googling how to make it and it says i have to feed the worm farm actual meals. Wouldnt it cost more than its worth?

[supple stone]

You can feed the worm farms cheap stuff like forage/meats too if wanted (slightly more expensive, but preserves of stuff from your garden - corn, onion, tomatoes are all decent too)

If you want a lot of fertiliser per hour, then grilled fish (from fish caught with glow worms) or meals cooked from profit-focused cooking parties are good options.
This is ONLY for Harvest Boost Fertiliser (and Quality Up fert too, but we tend to ignore Quality Up. You'll want to focus on harvest boost and water retain if you use fertiliser as you won't be getting so many buffs from the layout)

Water retain/Weed block ferts are bought from Zeki, for 2g per fert (stacks of 20 though, so 40g per stack)

And the amount of worms/fertiliser you get from the worm farms is based on the value of the meal you feed them. Higher value, the higher amount of worms/fert
If you were to sell the worms/fert, you would always make a profit compared to selling the item itself.
But harvest boost buff makes you 50% more money, it's well worth using fertiliser for imo

[clever blade]

ooooh i didnt realise that

ill use harvest boosts. so much to learn 🫠

[clever blade]

so you buy water retain from zeki? you dont plan your layout to avoid it? 🤔

[supple stone]

There are different preferences for fertiliser. Some people do avoid all bought fertiliser.
Personally, considering I buy something from Zeki every day for the Zeki Coin, buying fertiliser doesn't bother me (plus, it is cheaper than the Harvest Boost fertiliser - each HB fert sells for 5g, but you buy each water/weed fert for 2g).
But, I would much rather reduce how much fertiliser I need to apply in total than avoid bought fertiliser altogether.

Also, depending on what you want to fit into your layout, it isn't always possible to completely avoid water/weed fertilisers when going for layouts that have a lot of bushes/trees (especially as I try to get 100% harvest, water, weed buff coverage)

[clever blade]

dang its getting so difficult 🙁

[supple stone]

🙁

[clever blade]

but like

do you put harvest fertilizer on the crops that already get that buff from other crops?

[supple stone]

No

[clever blade]

and can you put different fertilizers on the crops or just 1 type

[supple stone]

It's wasted - the fertiliser would sit there unused if you have HB buff from an adjacent plant but put HB fert on it

Each crop can only have 1 fertiliser type on it

[clever blade]

hm

[supple stone]

And, each crop can't give its buff to another of itself

So potato will give water retain to a neighboring tomato but not another potato

[clever blade]

im spending more time planning my crops than actually playing the game

gosh its not easy this lol

[supple stone]

I would be lying if I said I never did that haha, but I like the puzzle of it

As I said before, if you work out a pattern of what looks the nicest to you, I can try to help optimise it for buffs
Equally, you could say what you do/don't like from the layout I suggested earlier #🌱│gardening message

[clever blade]

yeah

thanks

im still thinking about it lol, i kinda feel forced to just do a planner like this one https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-R.HOBk.HTP.HTBkOR-OPTBtBtBkBtBtO-Cr.HBkT.HPO.HPTBkCr-AAAAAAAAA-ROTPBk.HPTOR-AAAAAAAAA-CrBkTPO.HPT.HBkCr.H-OBtBtBkBtBtTPO-ROBkTP.HTBk.HOR.H

which isnt pretty but at least managable for me, ill rememer where to put the fertilizers, so thats a plus lol

[supple stone]

I thought you wanted one of every crop?

[clever blade]

what is missing

gosh darn several things

why so many onions

someone else made it for cooking

[supple stone]

Onions are used in quite a lot of dishes tbf, it's why I used more of those than carrots/bok choy in the layout I shared earlier

But it also doesn't have pumpkins/blueberries/peppers in that layout

Would you prefer to have 2 apple trees rather than 1?

[clever blade]

i dont know

hmm

wont i need cotton?

to make furnitures and stuff

[supple stone]

Apples are used in one of the quickest recipes (but 3 apples, 1 blueberry and 1 piksii berry per cook) so a quick but relatively expensive cook, and can also be used in cakes or for lures.

[clever blade]

well that sounds good

[supple stone]

It is so expensive to craft fabric actually, you're almost always better off growing something else and buying fabric from Tish

Expensive in terms of lost profit, I mean

[clever blade]

oohh

[supple stone]

And it has a buff which is redundant after a certain gardening level

[clever blade]

uurggghhhhh i give up

[supple stone]

How can I improve the one I shared earlier for you?
It had everything in groups, so was the pattern OK, just a case of trying for more buff coverage?

[clever blade]

nah youre fine

im just realising its a mess no matter what i do

everything is alot of work regardless lol

scrrap that pretty idea, thats obv not gonna work

what about this one https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-T.HP.HSBk.HC.HST.HPBt-SP.HTSOBkBtRW-ROBk.HCrPTAAA-BkCBtAAAAAA-BtCbPBkC.HBkCbPB-AAAAAABCBk-AAATPCrBk.HOR-WRBBkOPmTP.HPm-BPT.HPmC.HBk.HPmP.HT.H_D360NrcL75

[supple stone]

I recognise it, one of Astrea's everything gardens, I think it's a good one for sure

[ebon trout]

Best garden layout for providing profit quickly?

[clever blade]

ok ill give it a go. is there someplace i can find a list of possible input->output for worm farm and glow worm farm?

just so i know what i can put in, and what it makes lol🫣

[supple stone]

Yeah, the wiki has a list. Not sure if it's updated for the EW stuff mind you

[clever blade]

im on the wiki but i dont see it here : https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/Glow_Worm_Farm

the list recipe list is empty

oh i see the spreadsheet link

[supple stone]

#🌱│gardening message

[neat vortex]

Spreadsheet link will have most of it, and for the rest there is a formula that can calculate the outputs

[neat vortex]

Keep in mind also that you are not restricted to the 9x9 Garden Cube that is the default in the planner - I use a linear layout which is not only easier on my brain, but also looks very pretty, at least to me! It does a bit of checkerboarding, though

#🌱│gardening message

[jovial pebble]

Hello there! I started earning gold and making food for focus at parties. For parties with my friends, I only need Apples, Rice, Tomatoes and Onions. Does anyone have a garden layout with only these plants or with a minimum number of other plants to obtain 100% water retention and weed protection? Or maybe someone can help create such a garden layout for me?

[neat vortex]

How many apple trees do you need? (1 to 6)

[analog zephyr]

any1 got a good water retaining farm? (am lv 6 only, so no apples yet haha)

[neat vortex]

You will need at least one more water retain crop and one more weed prevention crop - preferences between potatoes (cash crop for solo processing) or napa cabbage (utility crop for cooking)?
and for the weed prevention, bok choy (powerful solo cash crop) vs carrots?

[neat vortex]

Sure, what else do you want your garden to do for you? cooking? solo passive gold income?

[analog zephyr]

gold or exp x)

[neat vortex]

XP is all the same with everything as long as you replant on time

[analog zephyr]

ahh then gold :o

[neat vortex]

For gold, check out this list - some are AFK layouts
#🌱│gardening message

[supple stone]

I wonder what could be about to be suggested 😄

[neat vortex]

lol

[supple stone]

There we go!

[analog zephyr]

thank you very much <3

[neat vortex]

only the most linked post in this channel in recent months XD

[supple stone]

What can I say, it's a good post

[neat vortex]

FAQ indeed

[supple stone]

Yup

And predictably some come back after realising max money gardening is not what they wanted afterall

[analog zephyr]

I'll do money gardening until I wont need it anymore x)

[supple stone]

dw, wasn't talking about you

We commonly get people come in asking 'what's the best for money'

[analog zephyr]

i just hate watering haha

[supple stone]

Turns out, they don't like the effort that's needed (and we usually warn them of this beforehand too)

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[supple stone]

Valid.

[neat vortex]

To take best advantage of these layouts, you'll want to process your crops before selling them.

Best as seeds: bok choy, potatoes, beans, anything that can't go in a preserves jar
Best as preserves: everything else

Since you don't have the jar recipe yet, seed everything instead. You will need to invest in crafter licenses to deploy more machines, but they pay for themselves pretty quickly

[analog zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/write-that-down-taking-notes-school-universities-university-gif-17937210

sob gif failure

[neat vortex]

My ability to keep track of time is too awful to ever have anything but a 100% water/weed layout lol so I'm right there with you

[clever blade]

Ah i like this! could put a building in the middle

[proper geode]

Speaking of crops for money how much of the crop should I sell or is it up to me?

[clever blade]

or benches etc, so much. I will save this! thanks

however 48 fertilizers, thats alot 😮

[neat vortex]

Yeah, it's a lot because of the inefficiencies of having lots of edges and corners

[clever blade]

ill see if i ever get too much fertilizers, then i could do it

[analog zephyr]

listen, I just wanna collect and hoard a treasure here
especially since i neek 150k for chest upgrades still

[clever blade]

first i gotta learn how to make 1 😂 🫣

[supple stone]

Generally sell everything not needed for seeding to replant your garden
(But yes, up to you)

[clever blade]

how much crops do you guys keep in storage, for cooking them?

[neat vortex]

My usual algorithm for this is...

• make seeds to replant
• set aside a stack plus what I regularly need for cooking/crafting
• process and sell the rest

[clever blade]

one stack i guess?

[neat vortex]

This varies a lot by what my friends are making often since I like to fill in at their parties

[supple stone]

I have about 50 of things I don't cook with regularly, 100-200 for Soon Tofu things (3 Beans per recipe, so 200 Beans)

But I'm also a serial hoarder

[neat vortex]

But if I cook with something regularly, I keep at least 60 of them (one stack reserve, plus 30 for cooking)

[clever blade]

omg i only cook like 5 at a time lol

struggling to find wild garlic

[neat vortex]

these days, often a lot more since I prefer 60x cooking parties

[supple stone]

I buy garlic =/

[mint sandal]

I try and keep about 50 of each starred crops and about enough seeds for 2 to 4 replants (depending on the crop)

[clever blade]

ooooh i didnt realise i could buy it

[supple stone]

Yeah, Zeki sells it

[proper geode]

I’ve been selling any over 100 incase i ever wanna join a cooking party

[neat vortex]

You can buy from the general store if you need to, but S Bahari is easiest for foraging it (pick the lilies too, they share spawn points)

[clever blade]

what over 100

[proper geode]

Apples mostly! If I have 145 I sell 45 apples

[clever blade]

is server hopping a thing for that? i seem to join servers that are already empty. how soon until respawn?

[neat vortex]

They respawn fast, not usually necessary to hop, just gotta know their spawn areas so you can clear them all

check the maps on palia.th.gl :D

[clever blade]

yeah i did, followed the map and checked all locations

i only found 2 garlic

[jovial pebble]

I need only 100 apples in weak so I think 1 tree will be enough

[neat vortex]

Hm, I guess if your playtime is high enough that would work, but to get 100 apples out of 1 tree is a total of 42 growth ticks (24 apples per harvest-boosted harvest, 4 harvests in 30 growth ticks gets you to 96, and to get the last 4, you wait another 12 for the next first harvest 🤔

[jovial pebble]

Oh, good. So I need at least 2 trees.

[clear kindle]

i think the second option of the 4 diamond afk apple farm would be the best option, don't you think, ren? just swap out the crops that you don't need and it would probably fit perfectly. it might be overkill on the need of apples, but it will definitely cut down on time in the long run

would ditch the cabbage for the tomatoes and the corn for the rice that you required. but this is 100% afk with just a few fertilizer spots

[neat vortex]

Yeah, or could even swap in a few extra water/weed modules if you only want 2 apple trees

[jovial pebble]

I've tried this layout. There are too many apples and too little rice and onions per week for me.

[neat vortex]

I'm not at my computer atm so hard to modify things, but I can look at it later if someone doesn't beat me to it

[jovial pebble]

If you can help, that would be great! I'm not in a hurry. And thank you in advance.

[supple stone]

How about this?
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-P.HTOBkAAOAA-BkPTARWAOBk-OBkP.HRWTPRO-TAAPRO.WBkWT-ATPRO.WRPTA-TWBkO.WRPAAT-ORPTWRP.HBkO-BkOAWRATPBk-AAOAABkOTP.H
Modified Bullseye layout, might be able to get the fertiliser cost down a bit more (and possibly without bought fertiliser) but I'm too tired to see how rn
Though I imagine you could leave off the weed block and be fine most of the time, with only the 3 tiles unprotected

Though, would it be enough rice per week for you is another question I guess. You could replace some wheat for rice as long as you don't mind using some harvest boost fert on some rice

[supple stone]

Actually, as the rice on the ends are getting harvest boost from the apples, you can swap 2 wheat for rice to get a total of 12 rice

[neat vortex]

Let me know what you think of this variation?

14 tiles each of rice, tomato, and onion, plus 2 apple trees, and the rest filled in with support crops.

This was what I mentioned before, with subbing out two of the apple trees in the diamond layout for more water/weed modules. I also shuffled some of the crop distributions around to de-emphasize the bok choy and potatoes and make tomato/onion more prominent.

17 HB fertilizer per growth tick, but honestly, if you don't care about the bok choy and potato yields (those are just for solo processing profit), then you could take the fertilizer off those tiles and just leave it on the rice that needs it. That would knock it down to 8 per growth tick.

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-Bk.HORTP.HTR.HOBk-AAAAAAAAA-BkOR.HTP.HTROBk-BkOR.HTP.HTR.HOBk-PORTBk.HTROP-BkOR.HTP.HTR.HOBk-PORTBk.HTR.HOP-AAAAAAAAA-BkTR.HOP.HORTBk.H_D180GtL25Cr0.BkS4-PS2

[neat vortex]

Here is the best compromise I was able to quickly come up with for:

• all crops (except cotton lol)
• organized groupings
• buffs as much as possible

The crops are still alternating and not clumped up together (because that makes buffs impossible), but for the most part each pattern repeats down the whole row like A, B, A, B....

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-CbPCbPBtBtCbBtBt-AAAAAAAAA-BkORTPWBkOR-PSSCbSSPBB-BkTRCCbCrBkTR-TPWBkORTPW-CbBBPPmPmCbPmPm-CCbCrBkTRCCbCr-BkORTPWBkOR_D180GtL25

[neat vortex]

It's still not 100% water/weed without fertilizer, but it's close enough that you can get there. If you choose, the gaps in harvest boost can also be filled in with fertilizer, like so, though you'll have to choose between weed prevention and harvest boost for some of those potatoes and cabbage on the left

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-Cb.HP.WCb.WP.WBt.WBt.WCb.WBt.WBt.W-AAAAAAAAA-BkOR.YTPW.WBkOR.Y-P.HSSCb.HSSP.WB.HB.H-BkTR.WC.HCbCrBk.HTR.W-TPW.WBkOR.YTPW.W-Cb.WB.HB.HP.HPmPmCb.HPmPm-CCbCrBk.HTR.WC.HCbCr-BkOR.YTPW.WBkOR.Y_D180GtL25

[jovial pebble]

This is Absolutely amazing! That's what I need. Thanks

[neat vortex]

You can almost certainly plant around them to at least get them watered, if not also weeded. Could you use the garden planner ( https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/ ) to make a diagram and show where they are planted in your garden?

[last quail]

I have created a tiny plan but forgot to update let me create what I have

I plopped both down without thinking

Just thought they would be fun to plant going to be honest also I wanted to maybe make a honey lure

(Small ping in case you are t looking because I forgot to hit reply but really no rush im fine its all good not upset) @neat vortex

[warm surge]

hi hi! quick question for anyone. if most of my profit is from seed collection and preserves, how many of each machine should i be running?

[clear kindle]

it's different from person to person depending on how they do their garden. the layout that i do i just harvest the apples and beans from it, so 2 seeders and 8 preserve jars works well for me. but, if you're harvesting everything and processing it, then you might need more seeders than preserve jars. i think there's a way to determine how many you need somewhere in this thread by ren, but i don't remember

[neat vortex]

Have a look at this and lmk if you have any questions? :)
#🌱│gardening message

[neat vortex]

Okay, so you've got an apple tree in the corner, a blueberry bush under it, and tomato plants surrounding those? This should water itself - is it not?

well, after the initial watering

[warm surge]

thank you so much!

[neat vortex]

However, if you leave a multi-harvest crop unharvested past the growth tick after it becomes ready, the plant will unwater itself upon harvest and will need to be watered again

Could that be what you were seeing, @last quail ?

[neat vortex]

You also have some flexibility, since (I hope) the tree and bush aren't cross-plot, to rearrange the soil plots so you can work them into a larger layout without having to have them oriented to each other exactly that way

[onyx estuary]

I have a question for the optimized garden ppl: with the new pumpkin and canned pumpkin prices exceeding blueberries, should I just replace blueberries w pumpkins in my garden?

[clever blade]

Nice

[neat vortex]

Perhaps surprisingly, both pumpkins and blueberries are toward the bottom of the stack when it comes to revenue potential. The individual items are worth more, but you get so few of them (especially for pumpkins - a max of 12 over the 15 days of the plant), that you could make a lot more gold in that same time by planting other things in those same 4 tiles.

Beans, however, are a direct synonym for blueberries AND beat out apples (which are in the middle of the stack), so they're okay for gold (but not amazing).

So, if you don't want to change your current layout, sub in beans for blueberries. (Beans are best as seeds.)

[sour stirrup]

I went for a 5 lazy apple tree setup (mostly because I want to just have an easy low effort garden) but before that, I wanna level Gardening quickly (for the sweet sweet star bonus). What's a good way to do that? full plots of Bok Choy?

[neat vortex]

There really isn't a "quickly" since all crops give the same XP per tile per growth tick. It's just a question of how much XP they accrue before you harvest them that makes the numbers vary.

More info: #🌱│gardening message

[neat vortex]

If you're willing to give up one apple tree, you can do a 4-tree setup that also harvest boosts the trees without fertilizer (diamond layout if you search for it in the channel)

[sour stirrup]

Ahhh so harvesting apples after 12 days is the same as 12 days of Bok Choy just instead of spread out, it's a big chunk/burst at the end.

[neat vortex]

Exactly!

However, the fact that apples keep chugging without touching them for 12 days can be better for less replanting effort

hm, that sentence got a bit contorted in the middle, but hopefully it made sentence

[sour stirrup]

It did!

I was thinking about giving up one tree but I do a decent bit of fishing. Then cook that fish and slap that in the glow worm farm for more glow worms. So I will get that fertilizer regardless. Might as well use it.

[neat vortex]

Sounds like it's a great fit, then!

If you wanted, you could also work a grain tile into the centers of the support modules, in case you need those for cooking

[sour stirrup]

I lowkey just plan to eat apple jam and buy ingredients as needed.

[neat vortex]

lol, whatever works

(In case it's relevant, canned beans are what I'd recommend if you're gonna eat preserves; they produce faster and are more cost-effective in terms of focus per gold eaten/opportunity cost)

But here's what I mean by the center tile thing - actually technically it can be literally any crop, because it will get the water/weed buffs from its neighbors. But if it's a grain (corn/wheat/rice) you can save a couple fertilizer on the outermost tiles.

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-TPBkONOBkPT-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-TPBkONOBkPT-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-TPBkONOBkPT-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-TPBkONOBkPT-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H_D180GtL50Cr0.C.P-CP-R.S-RS-Bk.S-BkS-O.P-OP-TP-W.S-WS-P.S-PS-Cr.P-CrP-Bt.S-BtS-S.P-SP-Cb.P-CbP-Pm.P-PmP-B.P-BP-AP

If you want more gold, those could be bok choy, or whatever you need at the time

[strong tundra]

At what level do I unlock a sprinkler?

[strong tundra]

I tried keeping a list in Craft, but the darn thing only shows discord as a general link, not any of the actual content. I am trying some other methods of finding things, but yes, that is usually the link I am looking for. I thought there may be a way to search for emotes in the search functions, but I am currently only seeing stickers.

[supple stone]

Never

[supple stone]

Unless you save the content rather than the link, it will only show as the link. That's how the Internet usually works I'm afraid

[sour stirrup]

Holy Cannoli. Thank you!

[ebon trout]

What should I seed and what should I pickle for max returns?

[floral talon]

seeds whatever cant be jarred and bokchoi+potato
jar the rest
cotton self use
exceptions stuff u use for cooking and stuff

[supple stone]

And seed beans too

[ebon trout]

So seed bokchoi & potato?

[supple stone]

Bok choy, potatoes, rice, wheat, beans and (if growing for profit) cotton are all best seeded.
Preserve all else.
We tend to not advise growing cotton as it's very middle of the road for profit, and you lose a lot of potential profit if making it into fabric. So much lost profit that it is better to grow something else and buy Fabric from Tish

[ebon trout]

Thank you so much!

[hushed basalt]

I was about to ask the same question about preserves so tysm!!

[ebon trout]

Out of interest, what's your layout for gardening then?

[mint sandal]

This is mine rn
Everything garden, 100% water/weedblock, and 100% harvest boosted when complemented with 18 fertilizers.
#🌱│gardening message

I have shared other layouts with all the same buffs (cause I don't wanna bother watering and weeding my garden), only things that change are the amount of each types of crops and how many fertilizer is required. Here's a couple more recent ones that I shared
6 bushes: #🌱│gardening message
2 apple trees: #🌱│gardening message
Another with 2 apple trees: #🌱│gardening message

[supple stone]

My current layout: #🌱│gardening message

[neat vortex]

I use two weird linear layouts with bok choy, potato, tomato, onion, apples , and spaces for 2 bushes (i.e., for beans or peppers for cooking), and several tiles for grains. I sub in cabbage and carrots for the potatoes/onions whenever I need to restock. My layouts are 100 percent water/weed via companion planting, but end up needing a lot of fertilizer to fill in the harvest boost gaps, because they have a lot more corners and edges than the typical 9x9 square

[supple stone]

Speaking of fertiliser, think I will need to refresh the fert on my layout tomorrow 🙁
Yay for click spamming

[strong tundra]

I don’t think I explained it well. I was talking about the thumbnail that will embed a preview of a links landing location. I have not been able to get discord links to show anything other than an invite to server preview.

[supple stone]

How would the external application know the person seeing the link is part of the Discord? It doesn't have access to your Discord and your server list.
At least, as far as I understand it.

[neat vortex]

SO a friend of mine has told me that she was able to pick up soil plots that were untilled but still had fertilizer on them, and the fertilizer just went back into her bag.

I'm going to test this myself to verify, but that would be a very exciting change if it is the case!

[stable ginkgo]

I did this back in February 2025, pickedup untilled soil and about 300+ HB fert went into my inventory. That was a pain to move an entire inventory worth of fert.

[strong tundra]

I get what you mean about how external apps work, but I was really looking for ideas to quickly find reference posts inside Discord without saving links elsewhere. For now I’m replying to those messages with a specific sticker so I can search for it later, but I’m still open to other in-app tricks people use.

[neat vortex]

I have a DM "with myself" (got some friends to make a group chat with me and then leave it) that I will forward posts to sometimes

[supple stone]

Similar to Ren, I have a server that only I'm in that I use for some things and links, I know Duh does too.
You could forward the messages you like to a personal server (I did mention using a personal Discord server when you first asked yesterday too btw)

[lusty rune]

can i get some help with updating this for max profit/the new seeds they've added in the last update?
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-PCbCCrWCrCBkP-BkPCbCrWCrCbCBk-CBkPCrWCrPCbC-AAAAAAAAA-PCbCCrWCrCBkP-AAAAAAAAA-CBkPCrWCrPCbC-CbCBkCrWCrBkPCb-PCbCCrWCrCBkP_NssL25

forgot to mention that im farming 28, and i have 9 preserve jars and 9 seed maker things

[waxen turtle]

how do y'all handle how slow and tedious farming is? I haven't planted anything in 10 months and I'm dreading gardening again

but I need the money for my upgraded chests

[supple stone]

Gardening is a decent passive source of income, but it doesn't come close to the profit that other activities can create. If gardening isn't your thing, just don't bother with it.
Or use a layout that need minimal intervention?

[supple stone]

What is it you want from the layout?
Just 1 of each of the new crops? (ie, Beans and Pumpkin)
Plus 100% water retain/weed block/harvest boost and keep the crops you currently have including 2 apples?

If so, you're very limited in terms of pushing profit higher outside of making as much of the weed block crops bok choy as you can, and same with potatoes for water retain and rice for harvest boost.

Oh, and what's your view on fertiliser? Noticed you didn't have any placed on that layout

[lusty rune]

I don't really mind if there isn't any weed block or water retain, I'm more looking for which garden layout makes the most profit currently with the new crops involved for now. the apple trees will go once they're done making apples. I'm not the biggest fan of using fertilizer but I will for the few crops that don't get water retain/weed block c:

[lusty rune]

you can use a layout that doesn't need you to take care of it. so one with 100% water retain and weed block etc. you'll only have to water for the first initial water and replant the crops when needed

[supple stone]

#🌱│gardening message is a post detailing many of the best profit layouts.
To truly be best profit, you need no weed/water buffs, plus harvest fert on every tile of a pure Bok Choy field. That's...a lot of effort

The post mentions some of the next best layouts which have water retain and weed block too.

However, you might want a variation of the Bullseye layout, here
#🌱│gardening message
You can just swap out 2 corners, 1 for Beans, 1 for Pumpkins if you wish. Pumpkins will need some fertiliser in the neighbouring edges as it does not supply harvest boost.

[neat vortex]

but definitely ditch the pumpkins once you're done with the accomplishments 🤭

[neat vortex]

Can you say more about what parts of the process you tend to get hung up on? Maybe we can help :)

[waxen turtle]

weeds. I loathe weeds.

[neat vortex]

That's an easy fix, at least

So, weedblock is a must. What else? :D

[waxen turtle]

if i could just have a farm that self waters and never has weeds I'd be happy

that's literally all i want

[neat vortex]

Do you need any specific crops, or just going for money?

[waxen turtle]

I'm a late game player, so I don't really need any food for recipes anymore, so mostly just money

[neat vortex]

And are cooking parties a thing you might be interested in doing for gold?

[waxen turtle]

no, i get distracted very easily and have minimal patience for the cooking mini games

I mostly end up running around pacing in game because i keep forgetting what I'm doing

[neat vortex]

Okay, so, "stand in one place and do the same thing repeatedly at top speed for 30-60 minutes" might not be your thing for sure XD

[waxen turtle]

definitely not LOL

[neat vortex]

Good to know!

Hmm, how well do you do when it comes time to replant?

[waxen turtle]

I replant, forget about it for like 2 in game days most of the time, and occasionally go back and check

which is mostly where the weed problem comes in

because then my plants end up being stunted for longer than I thought

[lusty rune]

aa ty so much! this is so helpful!

[lusty rune]

ty as well! understood

[neat vortex]

Okay, well, 2 in-game days is fine - some folks end up running around out in Bahari or wherever for 6+ IRL hours, so they do better with longer-growing plants

[waxen turtle]

six HOURS in bahari????

[neat vortex]

But, if you think you would be able to keep up with replanting fast-growing plants, then the better AFK layouts are open to you

I've done it <_< I was on an empty server and didn't want to lose it lol

[waxen turtle]

oh that's so valid i'd do the same thing lol

but yeah i'd probably be okay with the faster plants in that case

[neat vortex]

In THAT case...

I would recommend the Bullseye layout from here: #🌱│gardening message

Process as SEEDS: bok choy, potato, everything that can't go in a jar
Process as PRESERVES: everything else

In my experience, it helps when you are seeding most of what you plant, because then you're automatically making replanting seeds and don't have to keep track of as many things, but I personally run one additional seeder to handle replanting seeds for tomatoes and onions (load in 3 tomatoes to start, then 3 onions on top)

I make a set of tomato seeds from all 4 harvests, or more than that if I have more than 12 tomato plants in the ground

[waxen turtle]

this is insanely helpful, thank you soooooo much

[neat vortex]

If you find that keeping up with all of the replanting isn't what you wanna be doing, then we can recommend some other options for you (at the cost of some revenue)

[supple stone]

I actually have quite enjoyed NOT seeding most of what I plant, simply due to it being more likely to fit all my processed stuff in the shipping bin
But having more seeders is easier to keep track of for sure

[neat vortex]

For whatever reason I haven't run into that issue too often

But I also am using almost all of my rice and wheat at parties, not trying to seed it
(and beans ditto)

[supple stone]

Yeah, that limits the issue a bit

[neat vortex]

I do like playing a little game at parties to see if I can be the first rice maker finished XD

[supple stone]

Beans barely take up and space tbh, love the 50 stack size and it not giving 4 seeds per operation

[neat vortex]

Yeah, they're good that way

[supple stone]

Mmm, still miss the pre-nerf days haha
But anyway, distracting from those who may want help still

[neat vortex]

I think one of the things I enjoy most about this channel is that, even though there are some things where one choice may be on-paper "optimal", everybody who comes in here with a problem they are trying to solve is a little different in circumstance, challenges, and what they are trying to do

And it's fun to find out more about the situation and then see what we can do! Sometimes there is an existing solution, but sometimes it really takes some thinking

It keeps things interesting!

[neat vortex]

HOLY SMOKES it's TRUE!!
You can pick up your garden soil now even if it still has fertilizer on it!
(as long as it's completely untilled)

Yaaaay!

I've updated my Picking Up Your Garden write-up accordingly: #🌱│gardening message

looool however it will give you the "must be empty and untilled" error if there isn't room in your bags for the soil AND all the fertilizer.

[floral talon]

Nice no more cant pick up soil due to invisible fertiliser issues

[rustic tapir]

Hi , what is the maximum profit i can get from gardening

I don’t mind micro managing tb

I’m using this setup now , but i have enough of the crops that i needed so I’m planing to explore actual profiting directly from guarding

[rustic tapir]

Is there layout that have all 4 buffs ? WB-WR-HB-SG ?

[clear kindle]

you can easily get layouts that have 100% water, weed and harvest boost (though fertilizers would be needed on some plants) but not speedy grow since a) it can now only be obtained through the gardening guild for guild coins so it would be difficult to keep up with, and b) speedy grow is broken (as in bugged, not as in overpowered) and isn't used outside of one quest that requires it

and the best layout for max profit is a field of bok choy with harvest boost (either with fertilizer or by placing rice/wheat/corn in strategic places to get harvest boost coverage). it's an extreme layout though and most that have tried it later on look for something... lease tedious to tend to

[rustic tapir]

Thanks for your reply , i was thinking about spending guild coins since it cap at 2k and i know about the bugged speedy grow disappearing frequently, I though it just disappears only on crops that have more than one tile . I’m considering bok choy layout since it’s easy to play around it based on your needs , i tend to cook a lot so it’s nice to have permanent HB once my inventory is running low . I will try to tweak the bok choy to my needs as well also will add water retain fertilizer since weeds tend to grow randomly and only will affect 1 crop at a time

Currently I’m looking for the 56 bok choy layout but can’t find it anywhere haha

[clear kindle]

that's why we say it's bugged.

[rustic tapir]

I see , honestly it was good just for selling value that what is bothering me about the nerfs of glow farm

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-Bk.YR.YW.YO.YBk.YBk.YR.YBk.YO.Y-Bk.YO.YBk.YBk.YR.YBk.YBk.YW.YBk.Y-R.YW.YBk.YBk.YBk.YO.YO.YBk.YR.Y-W.YBk.YR.YBk.YO.YCr.YBk.YBk.YR.Y-O.YBk.YBk.YBk.YBk.YO.YBk.YR.YBk.Y-R.YBk.YW.YW.YO.YBk.YR.YBk.YBk.Y-R.YBk.YO.YW.YBk.YBk.YBk.YO.YR.Y-Bk.YW.YBk.YBk.YO.YBk.YW.YBk.YR.Y-O.YBk.YR.YBk.YBk.YW.YW.YO.YBk.Y

If i can make this 100% all 3 buffs it will be amazing . Thats the bok choy layout by aquajj’s

[clever blade]

hi guys, im looking for fertilizer recipes. Like, what makes the different types. what to do with the outputs (worms, green poops, brown poops) etc.

just overall guide/recipe list

ooh i see green and brown poop are a type of fertilizer

[neat vortex]

For a partial list that may not be updated to include the new EW recipes and items, check Arenvanya's Fertilizer spreadsheet in the pins!

Otherwise, there are formulas that determine what produces what

[clever blade]

Tyy

what was the best for harvestboost, grilled fish?

or easiest one i guess

[supple stone]

Easiest? Probably meat or random cheap forage.

Fairly easy while giving a lot per item? Either Grilled fish that were caught with Glow worms or food from cooking parties (well, not cake, probably gives quality up)
Higher the value of the item you put in, the more HB fertiliser you get out (think it's 1 per 10 gold value + a bonus 2, from memory)

[supple stone]

Not sure of the optimal way, but removing a few more bok choy for onions will work. Reducing down to 37 Bok Choy is definitely possible for 100% weed block coverage, but you do lose profit. Might be possible with 38 or 39 but I'm not the best at fitting these patterns in...
Honestly, though, the few spots that aren't weed blocked might be inconsequential. Low chance of weeds spawning on them per turn

[neat vortex]

Riffing off your approach here, I took a stab at a mostly-bok-choy Bullseye
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-O.HP.YBkBk.YWR.YO.YR.YO.Y-O.YBk.YBk.YR.YW.YR.YBk.YO.YBk.Y-OP.YBk.HR.YWO.YBk.YR.YBk.Y-Bk.YR.YBk.YBk.YW.YO.YO.YR.YBk.Y-Bk.YO.YBk.YR.YW.YR.YBk.YO.YBk.Y-O.YR.YBk.YBk.YW.YO.YBk.YR.YBk.Y-BkR.YBk.YP.YWR.YO.HBk.YBk.Y-O.YBk.YBk.YR.YW.YR.YO.YBk.YBk.Y-O.YR.YBk.YR.YWO.YOP.YBk.H
But I think you could make this even more profitable by having the middle ring (and the center line of the middle plot) be water retain crops instead and using HB fertilizer

Above version is 5,171g per growth tick solo-processed, minus 158g in fertilizer, or 5,013g per growth tick

[rustic tapir]

Amazing thanks

[proper geode]

Can anyone confirm this math for me? Sorry it’s backwards lol it means 12 tomatoes=8 seeds and so on

[neat vortex]

That... nope, doesn't seem correct, assuming you're talking about crafting seeds from crops?

[supple stone]

I dunno Ren, think his approach of putting onions into the Aquajj layout is probably more profitable

[proper geode]

No from the machine thing

[supple stone]

Machine thing?

[neat vortex]

Probably... but not a puzzle I am capable of solving lol

[proper geode]

The seed maker it says 3 tomatoes are needed for 2 seeds

[neat vortex]

Yes, that one is correct.
However, most of the others aren't, unless you're not counting the extras being crafted?

Like I can see the logic of "to end up with at least 5 potato seeds, you need 2 potatoes" (because 2 potatoes will produce 8 seeds, so 5 + 3 extra)

[proper geode]

Yeah I am! Some don’t give what exactly I’m going for so I have to go over a bit

[neat vortex]

The "use HB fertilizer" version is 5,254g per growth tick, minus 405g per growth tick in fertilizer (assuming you're counting the opportunity cost/sell value and not the actual input costs), so, I was wrong, the other one is probably better
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-O.HBk.HBk.HP.HT.HP.HO.HP.HBk.H-O.HBk.HBk.HP.HT.HP.HBk.HO.HBk.H-O.HP.HO.HP.HT.HBk.HBk.HP.HBk.H-Bk.HP.HO.HBk.HT.HBk.HO.HP.HO.H-Bk.HO.HBk.HP.HT.HP.HBk.HO.HBk.H-O.HP.HO.HBk.HT.HBk.HO.HP.HBk.H-Bk.HP.HBk.HBk.HT.HP.HO.HP.HO.H-Bk.HO.HBk.HP.HT.HP.HBk.HBk.HO.H-Bk.HP.HO.HP.HT.HP.HBk.HBk.HO.H_D180GtL25Cr0.Bk.S-BkS-RS-WS-OP-PS-TP

[neat vortex]

With that approach in mind, yes, your math looks correct

[proper geode]

Thanks

[supple stone]

I've got all but 1 spot with weed block here with only 17 onions, so keeping 38 Bok Choy
(And made it a corner spot so easier to notice)
Not sure it's possible without adding another onion to get full coverage

With processing and gardening 25+, works out as 5329 per growth tick

[neat vortex]

How many seed makers would you need to keep up with that, I wonder? XD

[supple stone]

Doing the harvest boost fert rather than water fert as you mentioned does increase the profit slightly...by 10

[supple stone]

A lot haha

So yeah @rustic tapir - a few options here now

[neat vortex]

And try not to give yourself an RSI putting down all that fertilizer XD

[supple stone]

I've tried it, it's horrible

And yeah, because of the necessary layout of HB crops around the middle soil plot, not sure it's possible to get full coverage with 17 onions. One crop off is the best I can manage. Someone better at these patterns could maybe do it, but at this point I'm unsure it's possible

[rustic tapir]

I appreciate the effort, i will use all 30 seeders if needed haha

[supple stone]

You shouldn't need 30 seeders unless playing a lot per day haha

[rustic tapir]

I like this one better , i can change crops depending on my demand too . I tend to use rice and wheat a lot too

[supple stone]

One thing to note is that you will likely won't be able to fit your whole processed goods into the shipping bin btw, just due to how many seeds there are haha

[rustic tapir]

I use combination of seeders and preserve jars i will figure out the exact ratio and do some tweaks

[supple stone]

How much do you play each day?

[rustic tapir]

Yeah i tried the bok choy layout before , i have to manually sell to zeki

[rustic tapir]

I log every hour to harvest

And I don’t have any quest or progress to make . So i only cook and garden

[neat vortex]

I haven't verified this for myself, but a friend was telling me that she figured out that her "earn 10m gold" accomplishment was stalling because she was selling all of her high-value stuff (sushi, poke etc.) to cash registers in town instead of via the shipping bin

[supple stone]

Well damn, you've tried it before and yet still coming back for more. Damn, I respect the commitment haha
And...yeah, you will need a bunch of preserve jars then I reckon. If you log in every hour, that's a lot of growth ticks!

[rustic tapir]

Plus farming rare stuff

[supple stone]

Huh, is that so?

[neat vortex]

I haven't verified it, would have to make an alt and only sell to cash registers in order to check

(since the first accomplishment in the series is only 10k)

[rustic tapir]

I don’t think that’s possible , if it is then WOW

[supple stone]

That would make it far easier to tell, yeah

[rustic tapir]

Can you link the layout if you still have it ? Please

Otherwise i can use the picture it’s fine

[supple stone]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-O.YR.YW.YBk.YBk.YO.YR.YBk.YBk.Y-Bk.YO.YBk.YBk.YR.YBk.YBk.YW.YO.Y-R.YW.YBk.YBk.YO.YBk.YBk.YBk.YR.Y-W.YO.YR.YBk.YBk.YCr.YO.YBk.YR.Y-O.YBk.YBk.YBk.YBk.YO.YO.YR.YBk.Y-R.YO.YW.YW.YBk.YBk.YR.YBk.YO.Y-R.YBk.YO.YW.YBk.YBk.YBk.YO.YR.Y-Bk.YW.YBk.YBk.YO.YBk.YW.YBk.YR.Y-O.YBk.YR.YBk.YBk.YW.YW.YO.YBk.Y_D180GtL50Cr0.BkS-RS-WS-OP-CrP

[rustic tapir]

Thank you very much

[supple stone]

All good

[snow oar]

Hey sorry im newer but do crops grow when your not online? Just wondering

[gritty crag]

they do :) but you'll have to make sure you weed/water them for them to fully mature

[clear kindle]

@gritty crag correction. they grow one growth tic (stage) when you are offline, then they stop. so don't expect a crop that takes 12 hours to grow to harvest (apples) to be ready to harvest when you come back after going to bed

[faint ivy]

What’s the best layout if ur wanting todo more cooking n not so much focus on profit but still low maintenance

[neat vortex]

It depends which crops you tend to focus on, but an "everything garden" that can accommodate at least 2 bushes and perhaps 1-2 apple trees might be best.

It also depends how many grain tiles you will need (for growing rice, wheat, or corn), since some layouts will have more bushes, at the cost of fewer grain tiles.

Other than that, any AFK layout can accommodate any single-tile crop you need to sub in.

I think Cysruleon Silverwind may have put together a list of "everything layouts"?

Edit: found it! #🌱│gardening message

[supple stone]

I really need to make it a better read at some point

[neat vortex]

In my personal experience, unless your playtime is on the low side or your weekly demand on the high side, 2 bushes is more than enough. I swap mine around between beans (most of the time) and peppers (sometimes), since I'm done growing pumpkins and don't host cake parties/cook things using fruit very often.

If for some reason you DO need to grow a lot of pumpkins, though, I'd recommend one of the layouts that accommodates 4 bushes, because pumpkins are slooow to produce.

[faint ivy]

Good tip thanks I’m done growing pumpkins too. 2 bushes sounds good to me. Maybe I will hangfire post update before making my new garden though

[neat vortex]

Yeah, that's a good point - there might be more changes coming

[supple stone]

Maybe they'll buff pumpkins!!! (They do deserve a bit of love...)

I'm not holding my breath for any gardening changes this patch though

[clear kindle]

well, we weren't expecting a garden patch last patch either (beans nerf) so you never know with s6

[supple stone]

No, but we did talk about how strong beans were, with virtually no downside. Could have seen that coming if I'd thought about it.
This time, the only thing to really balance is pumpkins, everything else is mostly in a place that makes sense

And random buffs seem even less likely than stealth nerfs to me.

[wind pulsar]

between blueberries, beans, peppers and pumpkins, which is the most profitable when preserved? i know the pumpkin preserves make the most money per jar but considering plant grow and preserves jar time whats the best one out of the 4

[supple stone]

Beans make the most money out of the 4, but you need to seed them.
If only preserving, probably blueberries? Might be close between them and Beans, but don't have the numbers rn to confirm it

Pumpkins are a trap if you want profit, they're so slow to grow, and low yield, that even with the high sell price they are the worst crop for profit by a wide margin.

[wind pulsar]

Then I think I might go for the blueberries

[solemn surge]

Are there any garden planner layouts saved somewhere? I've seen some end game max profit or lazy full water/weed but wondering if theres any made for leveling up gardening specifically

[slow flame]

Can anyone lemme know what the BEST crop layout is for profit ?

Iv got everything but just wanted to check

[clear kindle]

All crops give 4 exp per slot per day of growth*. Regrowing crops give exp based on total grow time divided by number of harvests on each harvest. so it depends on if you want the exp fast (one tile quick growing plants like bok choy) or if you don't mind playing the waiting game (such as apples)

• don't know if that's still the same amount as that is an older entry

[clear kindle]

the absolute best layout is a field of bok choy to seeder with harvest boost to get the most bang from your buck. however, this is a very tryhard layout that requires a lot of babysitting

[slow flame]

Thanks. It’s just cuz I have a ton of starred apple seeds and beans and all the other higher level stuff so was just wondering

[neat vortex]

My numbers have canned beans beating jarred blueberries still, but that's excluding replanting costs, and it's not by a dramatic amount. Hard to say once you account for replanting, and whether you're getting your bean seeds from foraging or making them from starred beans

[gritty crag]

right - should have clarified that I meant they don't just stop growing when you log off, bc then you do have to come back and weed/water accordingly

[snow hemlock]

do you guys have any layout for beginner?

[supple stone]

This is pretty good until you have more soil plots #🌱│gardening message

[supple stone]

Now that I've had a chance to check the numbers, I agree. When accounting for replanting costs, Beans beat Blueberries by 0.7g/d/t too

[supple stone]

So, I was wrong last night. Beans are better than Blueberries when preserved, making them the best bush for preserve profit as well as seeding profit

[visual prism]

Anyone have any tips to level up your gardening skill fast? I’m currently at level 7 and I’m trying to get to level 9. Like is there certain crops that do better/give more money? Or certain ways I should plant my garden?

[clear kindle]

[visual prism]

Ahhh okay. Thank you!!

[keen olive]

if i did my garden with space between like this do the other tiles still get bonuses or do they have to be touching?

[supple stone]

Have to be touching to get the buff from the tiles across the gap.
Crops will still get buffs from the other tiles that are still adjacent and not separated by a gap though

[floral talon]

the soils must SNAP together soagainst each other and the game must also recognise it

[keen olive]

oki! thanks for clarifying that up for me 🙂

[rustic tapir]

Sorry can someone remind me what to seed and what preserve from small crops ?

[floral talon]

bokchoi potato the rest jar

[rustic tapir]

You always helpful thank you

[floral talon]

your welcome

i mean theres obviously self use exceptions but im not gonna type those

[rustic tapir]

Definitely

[past junco]

has anyone else not been able to harvest apples today? i’ve been playing all day and my apple trees haven’t given me the option to harvest…. yes they are watered 😭

[supple stone]

If you're on all day, the first harvest is ready 12 hours after planting them. The rest of the harvests are every 6 hours.
So they do take a while to grow.

Technically it's 12 growth ticks after planting for the first harvest, which is always going to be a bit more than 12 hours, in case someone asks about that

[plain island]

hey anyone got advice for best crops to keep stock of and the ones that could be sold with being replenished quickly? trying to be more organised with crops

also to above i mainly go to cooking parties to earn gold

[supple stone]

Which cooking parties in general? Because then you'd want maybe a stack of 100 of the ingredients for them just in case, and some food for when you cook focus foods

[plain island]

I mainly just go to whatever ones are on palia party, often cakes, sashimi, poke bowl type ones

[supple stone]

Rice, wheat, tomatoes, onions I know are used a bunch so worth keeping in stock

Apples if you do that bit of the cake recipe

[plain island]

Alright, thank you. I feel like ive got a whole load of crops but idk what some are even useful for. Ive got like 130 corn but dont even remember using it

[supple stone]

Corn can be good for fish tacos I think, but it's less popular for parties than it apparently used to be (I'm not a huge cooking party person, going off what another regular in this channel has said before... Multiple times 😄 )

[plain island]

ive found them helpful for just now, im fairly new to the game started last month so its helped get gold up so im less stuck by a gold barrier

[supple stone]

Honestly, I never found the gold barrier that bad, gave me a goal to work towards. And I got plenty of gold while working towards the different achievements I felt.

But yes, cooking parties are very good for gold

I'm just not so much of a social butterfly 😄

[plain island]

I found it more overwhelming, everything seemed so big and so much to do so it took that feeling away. And tbh nor am I, i go to them but never in discords or chatty. 9 times out of 10 ive got ipad watching stuff or doing something else in background haha

[supple stone]

Understandable

Corn is also used for veggie chili and spicy crab fried rice, both of which see some use in parties, but chili is a focus food rather than profit, and no idea about the crab dish

[fleet copper]

2x corn in muujin bahari too

[neat vortex]

Yeah, corn has its uses, but not really for the big for-profit dishes. Burgers have pretty much eclipsed muujin Bahari as the non-cake mid-tier money party, probably because they (...can be...) faster and easier to organize.

[last quail]

Might I ask when batterfly beans disappear? I keep harvesting them and I keep thinking today's the day today it will disappear but no the batterfly beans remain. I am going to be stuck with this crop forever (I know I can whack it but I am choosing for it to leave on its own which it seems to not want to do)

[supple stone]

You get 4 harvests. First after 6 growth ticks, then another 3 after 2 growth ticks each.
So 12 growth ticks total if you harvest on time every time

[gilded gale]

Newbie question! With Batterfly beans, is it more profitable to put them in the seedmaker or as canned beans? I know that it takes 2 seeds now in the seedmaker! Sorry if its been asked before!!

[supple stone]

Still more profitable as seeds

[gilded gale]

Ohhh nice!! Thank you 🧡💛🧡💛

[supple stone]

(It's only by about 10% or so now though)

[gilded gale]

Oh gosh...I wonder if many recipes use canned beans..I have a lot of em 😅

[supple stone]

Probably none?

Canned Beans still aren't a bad value proposition though, 10% less profit (ish) than seeding, very good for focus if you want lazy food and it's faster to process.
Personally, I'd still say seed for profit though

[gilded gale]

https://tenor.com/view/scared-shocked-naruto-what-no-gif-17409077

[gilded gale]

Thank yooooou!!! I'll defo change my approach bwahaha! ^W^

[heavy karma]

so sad that farming is capped at like 9 ish fields

[neat vortex]

None so far. Kimchi is the only preserves used in a recipe (kimchi fried rice) currently.

[uneven spire]

This is how I'm planning to do my garden. Thoughts?

[neat vortex]

What are your aims for the garden?

[uneven spire]

to not have to keep replanting for at least a couple of days after harvesting, less watering, and I'm aiming for more star quality since I just hit level 10 in gardening

I'm also poor in this game so I needs money

[neat vortex]

With star quality seeds, you're already at a 70% star rate before any other buffs, incidentally

Pumpkins are... not good for gold. They grow slowly and have a low yield, so despite their high per-crop value, their gold per tile per growth tick is abysmal.

If you want to focus on multi-harvest crops, I would shift to beans.

Also, harvest boost will help you more with gold generation at this point than qualityup, so weaving in some corn may also be helpful (longest-growing single-tile harvest boost crop, to fill in the third buff tile needed for the apples)

If you're willing to mix in some potatoes (also 5 days, same as the corn), then you should be able to manage 100% water retain, as well.

You might wanna look into Sylvablade's pinwheel-type layout, maybe 🤔

[uneven spire]

This is really helpful, thank you so much. I only picked pumpkins because I've never grown any before, but will definitely do beans since I still have plenty of seeds. I'm gonna look up the Sylvablade's layout.

[neat vortex]

I took a vague stab at things as well, but this was very hastily put together...
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-T.WP.WCr.QBt.QBt.QBk.YBt.QBt.QC.Y-A.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.Q-Bt.QBt.QT.YBt.QBt.QBk.WBk.WP.YCr.Q-A.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.Q-T.QP.QT.QBk.QC.HBk.QT.QP.QT.Q-A.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.Q-Cr.QP.YBk.WBk.WBt.QBt.QT.YBt.QBt.Q-A.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.Q-C.YBt.QBt.QBk.YBt.QBt.QCr.QP.WT.W_D180GtL10Cr0.C.P-CP-R.S-RS-Bk.S-BkS-O.P-OP-TP-W.S-WS-P.S-PS-Cr.P-CrP-Bt.S-BtS-S.P-SP-Cb.P-CbP-Pm.P-PmP-B.P-BP-AP

and obviously relies heavily on bought fertilizer

Here are sylvablade's versions: #🌱│gardening message
Sylvablade only harvests apples and beans (and blueberries when using those)

Blueberries are basically only good money if you are hosting cake parties, however; when solo-processed, they are lower in value per tile per tick

ditto peppers and cabbage - they are utility crops for cooking

@uneven spire See above, forgot to ping you

This one might be easier to see, without the QU fert everywhere (it basically is just "QU fert on anything that doesn't have another fertilizer type on it," anyway)

Multiharvest-Focus Pinwheel

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-T.WP.WCrBtBtBk.YBtBtC.Y-AAAAAAAAA-BtBtT.YBtBtBk.WBk.WP.YCr-AAAAAAAAA-TPTBkC.HBkTPT-AAAAAAAAA-CrP.YBk.WBk.WBtBtT.YBtBt-AAAAAAAAA-C.YBtBtBk.YBtBtCrP.WT.W_D180GtL10Cr0.C.P-CP-R.S-RS-Bk.S-BkS-O.P-OP-TP-W.S-WS-P.S-PS-Cr.P-CrP-Bt.S-BtS-S.P-SP-Cb.P-CbP-Pm.P-PmP-B.P-BP-AP

But ignore the crafter stuff in the diagram, lol, it's confusing
...do save your unstarred apples, though. Those become precious, later.

If you don't care about dealing with weeds (though it will mean that you have to check on your garden every in-game day), you can boost the revenue a tiny bit by subbing in bok choy for the three carrots. If you don't mind more frequent replanting (synced up with the bok choy/carrots), then rice can go in for the corn, as well.

[uneven spire]

I really appreciate you taking the time out to help me with this.

[neat vortex]

(or wheat, if you need wheat)

Happy to help :) I love the puzzle of it all and riffing off of others' ideas

Anyway, you probably already know this, but for best gold results, once you have your seeds for replanting made, the excess crops you can sell as...
Seeds: bok choy, potatoes, beans, anything that can't go in a jar (i.e., rice or wheat if you use those)
Preserves: everything else

[uneven spire]

Ah, I did not know that. Thanks so much 🙂

[rancid pier]

this is helpful for everyone learning more about gardening. my biggest pet peeve is having to replant so quickly. i like crops that you can harvest multiple times.

Instead of selling the crops themselves , we should turn them into seeds and then sell them if they can’t go into a jar?

[neat vortex]

Correct, and bok choy, potatoes, and beans are also worth more when processed into seeds instead of jarred

[rancid pier]

Ok cool!! Thank you!!

[humble meadow]

Thats my setup, yeah u need to invest 1 min for watering and plugging weeds, but I cmon its a cozy game not an idle tycoon game 😄

[neat vortex]

Unless you're using all that corn for something specific, only 4 trees can definitely be 100% water/weed if you wanted! Or you could fit more apple trees into the space, alternatively

(To get harvest boost on a tree only requires 3 corn/rice/wheat touching it, so the other spots can be other buff crops)

[final prawn]

Hey, does anyone know any good layouts to have a good 50-60 of each crop??? (I love to cook a lot and want a good backlog of crops-)

[honest ridge]

I can't decide between these two layouts. I will be preserving everything and be AFK during my work time. What do you guys think?

The 5 apple trees seems to be really recommended by a friend for the "AFK" property, but somehow I seem to get more per growth tick? Or it's too fussy?

[clear kindle]

can i give you options to think about?

the second one is completely afk (100% water/weed) and can be 100% harvest boosted with the help of fertilizers.

[neat vortex]

50-60 like... as a static amount, or ...?

The more crops you cram into a layout, the fewer you will be able to get per crop per harvest, of course, and also any AFK (100 percent weed/water) layout that will accommodate at least one apple tree, 1-2 bushes, and a few grsin tiles will allow you to grow every cooking crop in the game if you're willing to rotate what you plant

You might try searching the channel for everything garden layouts and see if any might do what you want, though

[honest ridge]

Oh wow 😮

Thank you!!! The tick per "day" is so high

is it difficult to "maintain" since it's not a plot of single plant?

[clear kindle]

not at all (though keep in mind that i only ever harvest the apples on the second layout and i swapped out 2 of the blueberries for beans on the first which is the one i use so i also harvest the beans). the second one is a "set it and forget it" layout with fast growing crops (minus the apples of course) so if you're planning to harvest everything you would have to do that maintenance, but otherwise you can stay out of your plot for a longer period of time

[honest ridge]

Ahhh so basically the second one is "harvest your apple" only

then wouldn't it make more sense to make a five apple trees layout and didn't harvest the rest?

[analog zephyr]

playing around.. mainly afk for cooking (honeyed muujin and pumpkin stew)

[clear kindle]

be more "work" as you wouldn't get one of the buffs (harvest, water or weed) without having to deal with a lot of fertilizer for the plot as the 4 cornered apples would only have access to 2 buffs. so if you focused on planting crops for water and weed prevention, you would need a very steady (great) source of harvest boost fert to get the max amount of apples (24/harvest) which needs to be in place at every growth tic (so an initial 108 per tree to get to the first harvest, then an additional 270 for the next harvest times 3). if you decide to have the harvest boost crops (rice/wheat/corn) and one of the other buffs, you would have to babysit the layout every hour to do the other task (water if you went with weed prevention, or weeding if you went water retention)

[honest ridge]

ah I see

Thanks a lot for the ideas and explanation

[quick mist]

I've hoarded 94 pumpkins and finally realized if I can them all, I've got a ton of money I've accidentally hoarded again.

[haughty hare]

Anyone else having problems with their gardens messing up?

[neat vortex]

yeah, common visual glitch if you've got cross-plot plants - fixes itself if you water them

[haughty hare]

Ah okay, i don't have to water them as i have a water retain plot. but i guess it will still grow fine?

[neat vortex]

Yep, purely a visual bug :)

[ebon oriole]

somone help pls, i thought the apple trees would give each other harvest buff boosts??? but they apprently dont?

[floral crescent]

Crops can’t give themselves boosts. Ex: if you want to give a tomato a water boost, you have to use a potato or cabbage. So to give the apples a harvest boost you have to use 3 of a different harvest boost crop

[ebon oriole]

okay relying on the fertilizer it is lmao

[floral crescent]

Def best to use fertilizer for harvest boosting. Esp once you have worm farms. You’ll have so much fertilizer you won’t know what to do with it lol. I’d say focus on water and weed retention for your gardens and fertilizer for quality or harvest boosts.

[supple stone]

You could replace 2 of those tomatoes with rice or the equivalent to get the top and bottom apples harvest boosted (one of the top 2 and one of the bottom 2) btw

[chrome dock]

I dont have fruit trees yet, I'm just planting basic veggies- do buffs affect diagonal crops as well? :>

[supple stone]

Sadly not. We could make some great layouts if they did...

[willow spade]

im not sure if devs know about this or not yet, but is anyone else having issues watering their apple trees directly? the water bar for mine will only fill up if i water crops around it but i cant water it directly

[haughty hare]

You could also try a different layout, like for example your blueberries and spice peppers do also give the harvest boost, same for rice, wheat and corn.

For the apples to get a boost they need to have 3 squares connected to them with the boost. Blueberries and peppers count as 2. And as for the 4 square plants. They require 2 squares.

[clear kindle]

peppers give quality up, beans though do give harvest

[ebon oriole]

Yeee thanks ik that, thats why i put the trees in a row thinking they'd give them to each other

[dusk garden]

Got a question. If I plant a cottonball flower or a chapaatail flower will I only receive only one seed per grown up flower or one seed per day ?

[floral talon]

Unles they chaned something yes

[dusk garden]

So it's only one seed per grown up flower or will I get one seed per day?

[supple stone]

When the flower has fully matured, you get 1 'replacement' seed and none after.

Unless they have changed it

[dusk garden]

Ahhh tyty

[floral talon]

and the grown uip flower is flower(growthstagemax)

[dusk garden]

Yup! Ty for the help

[midnight slate]

hey question. if i water flowers late in the day, i can't water them again the next day. anyone know why that is?

[lusty rune]

is there any way of picking up placed fertilizer on your garden?

[supple stone]

You can only water crops, trees and flowers once per day. They will only grow a stage if watered before 6am - this is when the day resets in terms of growth and watering.
Hope I've explained it ok

[midnight slate]

You did, thanks! My issue is if I water flowers at 10pm, I can't water them again at 6am

[supple stone]

Place another fertiliser of a different type down, the fertiliser in that spot will be put in your inventory.
Alternatively, pick up the soil plot (it needs to be untilled for this though)

[supple stone]

You should be able to water them after 6am...unless it has then fully grown (but you'd know that as it would have given you a seed)

Equally, I tend to mostly deal with crops rather than flowers though, so I could be misremembering by thinking it works the same

[lusty rune]

thanks! ill try this next time all my crops are gone. do you know if they fixed the issue where some tiles still show fertilizer even if there isnt any on it? i still have some spots that show fertilizer probably since the beta but theres nothing there

[neat vortex]

Flowers are on a weird timer - I've heard 60 IRL minutes (versus growth ticks like garden and trees) but that hasn't been totally consistent for me

[supple stone]

I wasn't aware that was an issue tbh, so I can't say... Sorry!
Maybe submit a bug report or ask in #🦋│issues-discussions

[midnight slate]

maybe they need a full day of sun?

[supple stone]

Even if that's the case, that should still be 1 irl hour...

Unless it's tracking how long you were online for during that time, but I find that unlikely

[midnight slate]

hmm

[dusty tulip]

anyone know what the tiny symbol over the top of some of the flowers mean now? found it when foraging new flowers on this update

[supple stone]

So not the number that dictates the growth stage, but the white symbol?
Could be the indicator that it is needed for the bundles, that's a new feature

[dusty tulip]

yeah it almost looks like a cake or a bush its top centre in white

ooooh

[supple stone]

Yeah, think that will be the bundle indicator.
Should only show for items that are in bundles you have unlocked and when you haven't handed in that item yet.

[dusty tulip]

ty!

[honest ridge]

Guys, for apple trees is it better to put star apples to seedmaker or normal apple is fine?

[supple stone]

Star apples for the seed, means next time you'll have a 25% higher chance of starred apples.

[honest ridge]

ooh nice thanks!

[gaunt wren]

hello guys ! do you have a garden layout, with ALL crops, with 100% harvest boost ? i can't find it on reddit 🙂 thxxx

[neat vortex]

With ALL crops this will not be possible without fertilizer but Cysruleon has a list of Everything Gardens that should fit your criteria

edit: here #🌱│gardening message

most of those should be able to fill in any gaps with HB fertilizer to make them 100 percent harvest boost

[gaunt wren]

thank you so much ! it helped me a lot ! 🙂

[minor umbra]

does the elderwood lotus give you back seed once you've finished watering it? i havent got any back

[neat vortex]

No, none of the Piksii Bounce flowers/bushes give seeds. Should say so on the tooltip, I believe?

[jolly vigil]

Im so confused. Where is the flower weed picking thing at in kilma?

[supple stone]

!bloom

[compact coral]

Kilima Flower Bloom

The Flower Bloom is a cooperative, flower-filled challenge that you can enjoy solo or with fellow Palians!

• The Flower Bloom takes place daily in Kilima at 12pm in-game time.
• This event can appear in six random locations throughout Kilima: ||Map coordinates B6, D5, D6, H6, I4, I8||
• Look out for orange mist and little green sprouts popping up to find the event location before it begins.
• Click here to learn more about how to participate and earn rewards!

[supple stone]

Check this ^
The possible locations are spoilered out, so you'll want to click on it to reveal them

[floral talon]

nice now i got the info yey

[minor umbra]

it does but i wasnt sure if that meant for ones that you planted too, thank you!

[jolly vigil]

thank you!

[hushed basalt]

People have probably asked

But what’s the best plot for the best profit?

The planner confuses me so much and I don’t know how to use it, like really confuses me

And the generator does help, but I wanna have rice mc blueberries (need for a quest) and apples but they don’t show up in my generated plot 😓

[supple stone]

The auto-generating layout thing isn't all that good. Apparently the guy who has the website plans to rework it at some point, but I think reworking the website would come first
Also, blueberries and apples aren't that great for profit either
Plus, if you want full on max profit, that means manually watering and weeding.

[neat vortex]

(mc blueberries?)

[supple stone]

I think 'and' blueberries? m is next to n, c is next to d

[neat vortex]

thanks

[neat vortex]

How many apple trees are you looking for?

[hushed basalt]

I meant to do a ‘ but accidentally said mc

[hushed basalt]

Probably none then? I at least need blueberries for a quest

[neat vortex]

Alrighty, wasn't sure if you wanted them for cake parties or making honey lures :)

[hushed basalt]

I’m not at that point yet but probably in the future

[neat vortex]

Okay, and for the quest you need 10 star quality blueberries, so one bush is probably enough for now, yes?

[hushed basalt]

Probably yeeee

[neat vortex]

In any case, there is a list of profit-focused layouts here: #🌱│gardening message

The Bullseye will accommodate bushes in up to 4 of the inside corners, per Yexol's modification: #🌱│gardening message
(Yexol uses beans here, but blueberries and beans are synonyms and will work the same way)
but then can go back to the regular bullseye for better profit once you have what you need for the quest.

The top cash crops for solo processing (setting aside cooking profits) are bok choy (seeds), potatoes (seeds), rice (seeds), and tomatoes (jar if available, otherwise seeds)

If you decide you'd like one apple tree, then Astrea Moreno's Cross Layout is a great one for also growing lots of grain tiles: #🌱│gardening message

[hushed basalt]

Ok tysm!

[hollow yacht]

Hi does anyone have a seed of that flower

[neat vortex]

(pssst you can also fill requests with full-grown flowers that have already given their seed! the recipient will get a seedling 🌱 )

[floral talon]

Ur a genius

So apparently gifted removes extra datatags icic

[neat vortex]

Sounds about right, because it strips sell value info on cooked food as well (defaults to recipe's tooltip value)

and durability info on hooks

This is probably also why you can't fill requests with starred items, still (because the star also got stripped off lol)

[stuck breach]

What's the number in the upper right corner of the flowers now?

[neat vortex]

Growth stage!

[stuck breach]

Oh sick!

[stable sail]

did i plant these good?

or i guess a better word is optimally

[neat vortex]

It's not bad but if you are willing to weave in some potatoes (or napa cabbage) and bok choy (or onions), you can have the whole garden be watered and weeded :) Stick a rice (or wheat or corn) in the middle or on the corners for some harvest boost as well

One example of this:

or:

But the first one will tile with the soil plot next to it and benefit more crops with the rice's harvest boost buff

[stable sail]

i was doing the entry quests for gardening, am i able to buy all this stuff

[neat vortex]

Yeah, from the General Store in town

[stable sail]

im assuming i prob need higher levels in gardening

or no

[neat vortex]

Nope, all of these crop seeds are available from the beginning :)

[stable sail]

sick

ill try these out ty

[neat vortex]

A third option:
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-11_CR-CbTBkPRWOBkT-OTCbCrRPPBkO_D180GtCr0.C.P-CP-Bt.S-BtS-S.P-SP-Pm.P-PmP-B.P-BP-AP
The two cabbages on the corners aren't weedblocked, but more of the crops have harvest boost this way
The crop choices are slightly arbitrary, though

Also, check out Arenvanya's guide to gardening in the pins if you haven't already :)

[stable sail]

which option do you reccomend? basically what crops are the most important and which should i overall aim for while maintaining the most optimal crop plot

im very new so its prob a dumb question but i have 0 idea

[neat vortex]

The top cash crops are, in order: bok choy, potatoes, rice, tomatoes

To fill in the other half of the weedblock pair with bok choy, you can choose either onions or carrots. Onions are used in more cooking recipes, so I tend to emphasize them.

For the harvest boost pair, wheat is used in more cooking recipes than corn (including steak dinner, which is the recommended focus food once you graduate past soups), so if you can only pick 2, rice and wheat.

Once you reach gardening level 5, you will unlock the seed collector and be able to start making your own seeds. Save up your star quality produce for then.

(Starred crops make starred seeds, which have a higher chance of producing star quality crops.)

[stable sail]

so im assuming weedblock implies ur crops can get weeds which would have to be tended to, alongside watering so weedblock prevents weeds entirely so its one less thing to worry about

[neat vortex]

Yep

[stable sail]

and water retain means i dont have to water them again until they grow?

[neat vortex]

Correct, you water them in when you plant them, and then they don't need to be watered again until you replant as long as they still have the water retain buff on them
The only exception to that is if a multi-harvest crop (like tomatoes) goes longer than 1 growth tick after becoming harvestable; then it will need to be watered again after you harvest it.

[stable sail]

so u get 2 harvests from 1 tomato seed?

[neat vortex]

Four, actually! All multi-harvest crops give 4 harvests before they need to be replanted.

[stable sail]

cool, i appreciate the knowledge

[waxen turtle]

is there a way to remove a seed i accidentally planted

[neat vortex]

Yes, equip hoe > aim at crop you want to destroy > use the secondary action button (whatever you use to switch ammo)
you do NOT get the seed back

On PC it's right click

[waxen turtle]

thank you!! it was bothering me so badly

[split mantle]

This is not pink! This is purple!

[supple stone]

Someone told me yesterday that the blue bush shows as black on the plot, which would be unfortunate.
Do might be some visual glitches to work out perhaps

[floral talon]

Tnx this is super usefull

[haughty hare]

Yeah i mixed then then up lol

[round cliff]

yeah they are the same colour visually at the moment

[static fox]

if you have a seed collector and are continuously planting and seeding and replanting at what point do you sell any product? or make any extra money?

[supple stone]

First off, it's always cheaper to get seeds from seeding crops rather than buy them.

As for when you make profit, sell extras once you have enough to replant the garden. How long that takes depends on what you are seeding. Everything has a slightly different seeding time.
Good chance you'll need more than one seeder for a garden mind you.
When you get to level 8 gardening, some crops are better in the preserve jar profit wise, though you will still want to seed enough to replant first

[nova cliff]

What's the best layout for you ? with max profit et boost ?

[supple stone]

#🌱│gardening message
Have a look at the links here.
I personally find layouts with lots of fertiliser too RSI-inducing, so don't like things like all bok choy with full harvest boost fertiliser (this is best for profit though). And having water retain/weed block on everything is really nice quality of life, so I tend to go for that too.
Personally, I also have a bunch of apples and bushes for less replanting effort too, so I really don't go by what's best for profit anymore haha
If I did, one of my layouts is linked in that post, which is what I'd personally use

[empty star]

Have anyone got blue flowers from the flower event? I have some that says blue but look like black

[neat vortex]

Unfortunately, known issue

[flat agate]

For the new cotton ball flower, are you able to plant them, let them grow and collect a seed from them? Or do I have to go to every event and cross my fingers in hopes the rng gods are on my side?

[grave pasture]

Hii does someone have like a cheat sheet to know which crops are best processed in preserve jars vs seed makers?

[quiet crane]

so ive been getting mixed answers. does anyone know if you can get seeds from the cottonball flowers?!

[neat vortex]

Cottonball flowers DO produce seeds! The other new flowers/bushes do not.
@quiet crane

Also, you can fill requests with full-grown flowers and they will pop out as a seedling on the other end, allowing you to multiply your seeds with friends

[quiet crane]

ok do you know what stage they produce seeds? im on stage 4 and its not letting me water and i didnt get seeds

[neat vortex]

If it still has a number, then it's not full-grown yet

Full-grown flowers have a little sun-looking symbol

Flowers seem to be on a real-time timer, not growth ticks, from what I've been able to determine

[quiet crane]

i know that i was wondering if 4 was the last stage lol mb brain lil mush today XD

[neat vortex]

Ah, that I'm not sure

[quiet crane]

ok well ty

[neat vortex]

Easiest algorithm for this is:
Process as seeds: bok choy, potatoes, beans, and anything that CAN'T go in a jar
Process as jar: everything else

[grave pasture]

thank you!!!

[floral talon]

anyone scienced out flower growing like ever
wha tintervals can u water em
how much water can they take
also it appears u can use grown flowers for the bulletin board

[neat vortex]

I think A Tiny Dragon has. His findings were that they can be watered every 60 real-life minutes (so they're on a timer, not growth ticks like trees and the garden). Most flowers that give seeds have 3 growth stages:

• seedling, water once
• full appearance, water once
• water one more time, gives seeds
  ... I think.

[mint sandal]

Idk, but it seems that if you miss a watering, you can do 2 in a row. Last night I watered a couple flowers and they instantly grew one stage and could be watered again

[neat vortex]

...huh

I've had the visual appearance shift be delayed until the second watering, but never been able to water twice in a row

[mint sandal]

Yeah, that was a 1st for me too

[neat vortex]

More science needed, perhaps

[floral talon]

i got some that got finished insta somehow today

like i plant em 1hour later boom done so weird this is why iu need the science maybe it was special cuz they were mixed hydrangeas

flower factory when XD il make one eventually those flower pots are mighty usefull for ocd placement

[mint sandal]

Mine were new flowers, a few of the flowering bushes and a coastal one

[floral talon]

think il start produciton sciencing the new flower pots next week

[burnt merlin]

Hi, Are you able to water and grow your Flowering Orange Bushes? I can't grow mines 😢

[floral talon]

are those not the smae as flowers?

[supple stone]

Have you just planted it and are unable to water it, or have you watered it once and waiting for it to become waterable again?

Because I just tested, and I was able to plant and water a flowering orange bush. Time will tell if I can in the future

[burnt merlin]

I've planted them and I'm unable to water them

[supple stone]

When did you plant them? Just 10 mins ago?

Have you tried reloading the home plot, or reloading the game?

[burnt merlin]

No, several Palian days ago,

My other bushes grow bat not those

[supple stone]

What happens if you pick them up? What number appears in the circle?
And if you then plant it again, can you water it then?

[burnt merlin]

Nop, I put them into the chest, plant them again, a day, another day...and don't grow

Only the orange bushes

[supple stone]

I wonder what would happen if you received some from someone else via request...(I've only found the one so far, sorry)
But you should probably submit a bug report about this, sounds odd.
What platform do you play on?

!feedback if you need a link for bug report

[compact coral]

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[burnt merlin]

Thank you so much. I'll do it tomorrow if they still aren't growing

[supple stone]

Good luck 🙂

[marsh mountain]

Hmmm, I'm having an "issue" with my garden. I'm harvesting star vegetables event if I plant normal seed and not even use fertilizer at all (I normally use only HarvestBoost). It's especially visible with wheat where I can't obtain normal one and now I'm condemned to cook only star dishes when there is wheat which is a bit problematic for resources that are not easily gatherable or produced.

[floral talon]

this is a problem why?
but yeay it starts with 25% star chance without star quality seeds +2% point per level
star seeds are an extra 25%point

[marsh mountain]

because not all resources for cooking recipes are easy to find in star quality. And when I just want to produce some soup for casual consumption I don't use star quality products, just basic ones. 2% per level in gardening? Oh god... I'm toasted... so that's a 25% base + 72%... I have 97% of chances to produce wheat star quality with basic seeds

[floral talon]

vahal i answered the solution for this in cooking channel ur not alone as in read 1 sentence up there

cant believe 2 poeple mention this in hte exact same minute lol

[main crag]

i was also going to say that you can cook with some starred and some non starred but it was also answered

[misty scarab]

are we supposed to be able to get seeds from the cyprus trees and flowering bushes from the event??

[main crag]

no they be exclusive to the event

[misty scarab]

yes i understand that. i mean like how you can get seeds from other flowers like the cottonballs

[main crag]

dont fully get what you mean. the cottonballs are the only flower from the event you can grow yourself for more seeds though, other ones are exclusive as i said

[deep fossil]

Where do I find the cotton ball flowers ?

[old kite]

During the flower event that happens at 12pm game time each day

[deep fossil]

Thank you 😊