🌱│gardening

[neat vortex]

Fertilizer in Palia basically only exists to fill in the gaps when a layout doesn't provide a buff to some crops via the companion planting system

That's why there are four (well, technically five) types of fertilizer: one for each buff

[quick mist]

Ohhhhhh!!! I thik I am piecing together what you meant yesterday. But how did I multiply my fertilizer then to begin with?

(I lost the discord convo, did not mean to abandon you. Sorry!)

[neat vortex]

I strongly suspect that there was no multiplication going on

Instead, some of your plants probably had multiple units of fertilizer placed on them that weren't being consumed

(I'm assuming you were fertilizing your whole field every day or something like that?)

[quick mist]

The garden was 80% barren and untiled... how coud I have gone with a couple fertilized tiles that did survive, which I was cautious to layer with one fert apiece? Are we sure we're not missing a game mechanic here?

[neat vortex]

When a tile is not tilled, any fertilizer on it won't show

[quick mist]

Exactly.

Yesterday is when I was experimenting hoping something worked it did. Did I break the game logic?

[neat vortex]

So far as I have been able to comprehend, everything you were describing can be explained via known mechanics

It doesn't mean it was for sure that; but I would be exceedingly surprised if it were

Have you ever had a look at Arenvanya's Guide to Gardening? It has a really good explanation of the companion planting system and how fertilizer works.

It's linked in the pins in this channel

[quick mist]

I did not. Discord is very difficult for me to navigate. And track...

I do not know how to find the pinned guides.

I feel like this could be a mechanic... It's hard to say I broke the game when farmers can spread fertilizer around. My fam used to make our own.

The fact I went from 0 in inventory to x9 and all tiles (freshly seeded) covered with both types... is not a coincidence. And I see your information of certain neighbors taking on additional buffs (thank you for this) demonstrated wasted fertilizer.... so I do thank you for that too.

[neat vortex]

Are you on mobile or desktop?

On desktop, the pins are under the thumbtack:

On mobile, tap the name of the channel at the top, then go to the Pins tab

[supple stone]

I'll be honest, this duplicating mechanic that you're describing seems interesting, though I've not seen any indication of it before (and have read up a lot on Gardening mechanics!!)
Admittedly, I tend to use as little fertiliser as possible though, so don't have any first hand experience of anything like this happening to me (and I virtually never replace fertilisers with other ones when I do use it...)

If it is working as you are saying, it's almost certainly a bug and not meant to work like that.
So I'd say enjoy that it has worked in your favour and if it happens again, let us know!

[quick mist]

It did KINDA work but not as well today.

So it is definitely a bug. But, not gonna lie, being able to spread out aged manure/fertilizer makes sense.

If it's a bug and not a feature, I'm not gonna sweat over trying to use it.

[tidal drift]

Is there a faster way to apply fertilizer

other than single squares?

[eternal ruin]

Nope, although 2x2 or 3x3 plants will auto-fill the other tiles.

[tidal drift]

ty

[neat vortex]

I found that a keybind for "use action bar item" that was on my keyboard was easier to spam than clicking a mouse; you might give that a try

but um... if you're on controller, no idea

[tidal drift]

the keybind thing works

thanks! 😄

[surreal yew]

Hey all, im new to the game and dc.
Is there a reason to wait picking up crops if they have different times? i guess not when i can replant right?
Also as im just starting out whats the best first move my plan was to create a few seed maker and feed them with the star crop i get to be self sustainable with star seeds as i dont have the coins to plant the field otherwise this often

[clear kindle]

your thought process of using the star crops for seeds and replanting them is exactly what you do, personally, if you are newer to the game i would also go ahead and put your non-star also into a seeder to start the process of getting gold from them. there's no real reason to wait this early on, especially if you're replanting as you harvest, once you've got yourself set up and further into the game then you can decide how you want to play and if an afk farm would be more your style. at that point you might just harvest/focus on a few crops over the larger garden or you may decide that you don't mind the watering and weeding and do everything gardens

[surreal yew]

ok im like 3 days in just running around a bit. I just got my 9 soils and just copied this layout #🌱│gardening message
and read through the old guide to understand the basics.
My thinking was that now with low skills i need the star crops on the field even more to have a chance to get some stars back and use the rest for maybe cooking i have no idea yet what needs crop. I only have 2 seedmakers so i will have to rotate and cant transform everything. And when i read the above correctly i would assume that with this long term i will have a bit of surplus bok choy that i can sell or cook something with it and sell

[clear kindle]

yeah, if you can't process everything, then there's no reason for things to sit in your storage. the math for star seeds is that you get a 50% chance plus 2% per gardening level to get more star crops from those star seeds so you want to plant those down, save enough for replanting purposes and then sell off the rest

although, i will say that i'm not a fan of having a fully afk farm this early in the game, as there's an achievement for picking 1000 weeds (weed whacker) that gives renown which is an important thing early in the game to boost your focus bar and bonus. but if you want to continue go right on ahead

[surreal yew]

ok if i understand this correctly we have 3 sources of quality and as i dont use crops that have it i would need fertilizer or starcrop my planb was to slowly generate more star% that the seeders do the magic but maybe i will quickly go out of stars to feed

[surreal yew]

didnt know that maybe i can tinker with the layout and remove the weedprevention should be doable. also i like to minmax i wont minmax my irl time in this game so it all could take time

how about replacing onions with cotton so half my crops get weed and i get a quality boost to start off or i will make somethign different and just look what crop i need for now

[floral talon]

can automate the clickign with a macro if u really have to

[mint sandal]

Played around in the planner again. Everything garden (even cotton cause why not? Everything around it was already harvest boosted), 100% water retain/weedblock but does require 1 of each weed and water ferts to achieve that. Requires 12 hb fert to reach 100%
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-Cr.HCBk.HPCbPBkAA-SST.HSSBk.HARO-P.HBkC.HTRTBtBtP-OAATAAPBB-AP.WCbACoAOBk.YA-BtBtBkAAOAAT-BkBBCRBkP.HTC.H-TRAP.HPmPmBk.HPmPm-AAPBkCBkP.HCbW.H_D360NrcL75

[green kiln]

woah veggie chili makes 1k focus?!?!

[mint sandal]

Here's a similar one that doesn't need the bought fert but does need 20 hb fert instead of 12 to get to 100%
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-T.HBkBtP.HCBtCAA-BtCbBkBtPC.HACbO.H-Cr.HOBk.HPT.HP.HSST.H-BkAATAAP.HPmPm-APBkARAPBkA-SSC.HAABkAAP-Bk.HPmPmC.HO.HBkT.HPW.H-Cb.HOAP.HCBCbBkB-AATBPC.HBTBk.H_D360NrcL75

[neat vortex]

Yep, and it's the cheapest full-bar food. Really high star rate as well.

[crisp rampart]

hi where can we get pumpkins?

[still ginkgo]

I bought a single pumpkin from Badruu's shop register and turned it into seeds myself

[crisp rampart]

ohh I'll check. Thank you!

[supple stone]

The original way to get pumpkins is through buying a pumpkin seed for 500 essence from Tamala's EW shop, but definitely recommend buying from Badruu and seeding (he only just started selling them in the latest patch)

[steady stratus]

Question: say I’m full growing bok choy am I turning them into seeds to sell or turning them into kimchi to sell I’m kinda doing both

[supple stone]

If you are able to process it all without a backlog, seeding is best.
Otherwise a mix of seeding and preserving
Just to check, everything has harvest boost?

Whether or not you are able to seed all the bok choy without creating a backlog is purely dependent on how many growth ticks you get each irl day (on average) and how many seeders you have, so I can't give anything more concrete than this really

[steady stratus]

5 seeders 8 plots full of bok choy hq seeds doing full growth cycles no fert

[chrome elk]

i use the harvest boost fertiliser on everything. Its great

well too great actually i have too much stuff

[supple stone]

If you're aiming for high profit, this is far from optimal I'm afraid. Harvest boost buff essentially gives you 50% extra profit for free, and you're not making use of it at all.
Though...I guess it would be less for you, as with 5 seeders you wouldn't be able to process the extra crops at all.
Seeding Bok choy is very crafter intensive, so if you only want 5 seeders, it is probably not the crop for you.
With this number of crafters, would be better off just preserving all the Bok Choy most likely. But, it really depends on how much you play every day. The less you play, the more time your crafters have to play catch up.

[supple stone]

I honestly could not do this. Clicking fertiliser onto everything is such a bore for me 😄

[mint sandal]

And yet another everything garden. 100% weedblock/water retain as always, and requires 18 ferts to be 100% harvest boost
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-P.HTRCBkWCr.HCBk-OBkCb.HTR.HTPBkO-T.HC.HBk.HSSP.HSST.H-PCbPBkBtBtOBtBt-AAAAAAAAA-BBOBBBkPCbP-T.HPmPmP.HPmPmBk.HC.HT.H-OBkPTR.HTCb.HBkO-BkCCr.HWBkCRTP.H_D360GtL75Cr0.AP-BtS-BP-PmP-SP-TP-CbP-BkS-OP-CP-PS-RS-CrP-WS

[floral talon]

Seems decent

[mint sandal]

Yeah, I think I'm actually gonna switch to that one cause I don't need as much rice as before since I don't go to as many epic sushi/sashimi parties anymore. I'll see how I like it

[steady stratus]

Understandable I only have 5 seeders because I have no idea what to do I can place 20 crafters at the moment just have worm farms and such out as well for the time being

[lapis heron]

Feels like a dumb question but how do you get unstarred blueberries when you're above l50? You need them for the celebration cake but I can't for the life of me get my hands on one, even when I plant unstarred blueberry seeds I still get only starred berries...?

[neat vortex]

Short answer: you don't, so you'll need to check the Use Starred Ingredients checkbox to let you use your starred stuff.

If you don't have/don't have enough starred of the other ingredients that can be starred (sweet leaf), then it will let you use the unstarred ones once the starred ones are either used up or put in your lockbox to save them for later

Once you hit level 38, even planting unstarred seeds won't get you unstarred produce, because your base chance for starred results is 100%

[lapis heron]

So I can choose to do it even without enough starred sweetleaf, and it will just default to unstarred once I use up what I do have?

[neat vortex]

Exactly!

And if you want to save your starred forage/meat/whatever, lock them up :)

(or in the case of starred fish and crabs, place them on a plot somewhere like decor; this also removes them from being able to be cooked with)

[lapis heron]

I just tried it and it worked! THANK YOU!

[upbeat quail]

whats the best layout for a mainly pumpkin farm?

i've come up with this bc im completely out of wheat and rice lol

[neat vortex]

If ALL you want to do is grow pumpkins, wheat, and rice, this works pretty well. I'm not sure I'd want to use that much speedygro... it's buggy and can only be bought using gardening medals, and for some reason fertilizer will sometimes disappear from crops. Too expensive to risk it, imo, so water retain might serve you a little better.

Personally, I'm spoiled and prefer to stick with AFK layouts that are self-watering and self-weeding.

...but, I also have to ask: why so many pumpkins?

[green kiln]

how much seeds do you get from the seed collector? is it atleast 2 for every one crop?

[neat vortex]

It varies by crop.

Most give 4 seeds for 1 crop: carrot, onion, potato, corn, wheat, rice, bok choy, and pumpkin
3 seeds for 1 crop: cotton
6 seeds for 1 crop: napa cabbage

2 seeds for 3 crops: tomato
2 seeds for 4 crops: pepper, blueberry

1 seed for 2 crops: batterfly beans

1 seed for 10 crops: apple

[upbeat quail]

turn them into starred canned pumpkin and sell them lol i realized they're worth more than blueberry jam which i already have 300+ of

i have 200 starred apple seeds and 300 starred blueberry jams. now im working towards the canned pumpkin. Why am i doing this? Bc i like to hoard valuable items until its satisfying to sell them all so i can see big number

am i crazy? yes.

[clear kindle]

seeing that many apple seeds... wow

[open pagoda]

I need to get my hands on my first apple tree so I can slowly start to build my cute little apple orchard

[neat vortex]

Valid XD
Not a good way to actually produce revenue quickly (pumpkins are the slowest crop in terms of revenue per tile per tick) but I can totally see the appeal!

[clear kindle]

yeah, but seeing the apples seeds instead of jams kinda hurts

[neat vortex]

Yeah. TBH before I had access to epic fish parties, I had been veeeery gradually accumulating apple seeds as a gold store, since they're so value-dense (I made 1 seed every harvest, out of 3 trees, so 1 extra seed for the stash per grow cycle)

[clear kindle]

great way of storing extras i will admit

[neat vortex]

But now having a plot full of poke bowls makes that pretty moot

I had gotten up to several hundred of them, though

[supple stone]

Placing Epic Starred Poke Bowls in a dedicated plot is definitely an efficient way of storing money!

[crisp rampart]

aside from buying how can we get this?

[supple stone]

You can only get it from the guild store now.
But it's bugged and doesn't always work as it should, so you'd probably be better off just ignoring it

[floral talon]

i spend all my medals stockpiling wells XD

[supple stone]

How many wells do you have placed?

[floral talon]

think only 4 now
i want spares ofr making a flwoer/tree plot

[supple stone]

Damn, only bought my first one last week haha

[floral talon]

Yeay it did take a while to get all gardening decor and i want plenty of wells

[upbeat quail]

oh absolutely, and ofc i do sell things everyday i have 200,000 coins (i actually dont know what the currency is called lol) this is just a fun thing lol

[midnight mantle]

Is there soemthing like this but for 5 apple trees

I kinda want harvest boost quality boost and water prevention idk what weeds do but i dont mind them

[supple stone]

Pretty sure it is impossible to have 5 apple trees, include every other crop and have 3 buffs on everything.

If you want a garden you don't have to tend to much, there is one with 6 apple trees (but it needs a lot of fertiliser)
If you want an everything garden, I have one with 3 apples which just about has 1 of everything but still needs 20 fertiliser per in-game day (there are plenty of everything gardens with 2 apples though)

Also, ifyou are at the point of having apple trees already, quality boost is probably not all that useful at this point

[neat vortex]

There is a 5 apple trees version of the Diamond layout but it requires HB fertilizer for the apples ofc

and doesn't have any bushes

[mint sandal]

No, cause you can't fit 5 trees, and 4 bushes and 1 of every other crops and manage to get all 3 buffs (harvest boost, water retain and weedblock; quality up is useless if you already have access to apples) on everything without using an insane amount of fertilizers. You could use something like this if you really want 5 apples

[neat vortex]

lol yeah that one

but with grains in the center tiles

[mint sandal]

They said 5 apples

Where the 5th go if put grains in middle?

OH

[neat vortex]

Yes, and I was talking about the 5 apples afk layout that is quite similar to the one you just posted, but not as similar as I thought

[mint sandal]

Nvm, my brain is fried from work, I get it lol

[neat vortex]

XD no worries

The one I was thinking of used a different weed/water module

[midnight mantle]

What if i dont want one of every other crop just some blue berries and peppers with the apples

[mint sandal]

I went to the simplest thing possible including as much variety and using as little fert as possible

[floral talon]

U take that back qu is usefull till lv 25

[supple stone]

No.

[neat vortex]

lol

[mint sandal]

Meh, it never really mattered to me

[neat vortex]

It is like. Marginally useful. Only if it isn't displacing HB, though

[mint sandal]

I wasn't hardcore gardener though, I actually quite disliked it at the time cause I hadn't grasped to concept of companion buffs yet lol

My layout was horrible

[neat vortex]

If you have to choose between HB and QU, past level 8 or so, HB wins

[mint sandal]

That

[neat vortex]

but if you don't have to choose, why not both? XD

it's the reason why I really like the bullseye layout, because it lets you put quality up fertilizer on everything just about

[supple stone]

Because you're probably sacrificing something else?

[neat vortex]

and the cross layout as well

[mint sandal]

I still can't believe how good I made that one

[supple stone]

But admittedly QU still retains usefulness after 10, just...not enough for me

[mint sandal]

Same

[neat vortex]

on my alt, I definitely didn't bother with quality up fertilizer - because I already knew I had access to high revenue cooking parties, and I also knew how expensive/unavailable unstarred produce would be very soon

[mint sandal]

You're gonna need a ton of fertilizer. There's just not a lot of space left to work with when there's 5 apple trees

[neat vortex]

well, except for on the cash crops like bok choy and potatoes

[supple stone]

I think that layout they're asking for might be possible...just yeah, most of it would need some fert

I'm...uhh...counting fish rn though

[midnight mantle]

How does one acquire the quantity of fertilizer I need

[supple stone]

Worm farms

[midnight mantle]

Also does planting these golden apple seeds yeild better harvest

Or am i stupid

[mint sandal]

You can make the harvest boost fert with worm farms, but water retain and weedblock can only be bought

[mint sandal]

Golden? You mean the starred ones? They're just better quality, aka worth more money, yield is the same

[midnight mantle]

The way i have it right now ive got full quality boost harvest boost and water retain on the center tree and the rest have full water retain and need fert

[supple stone]

Your layout would probably use lots of HB and QU fert, don't know if you need water retain. And you said you didn't care about weeds

[midnight mantle]

I messed up then ig ive inly been planting gold seeds selling the non starred

Idk what website yall are using to show set ups but uf youve got the link ill show mine

[supple stone]

It is better to use starred seeds though

[mint sandal]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/

[midnight mantle]

What benefits are there?

[supple stone]

25% more starred produce

[midnight mantle]

And what do weeds do other than take half a second

Bet bet

[mint sandal]

You get star quality crops, which are worth more money. Weeds stop crop growth iirc

[supple stone]

Weeds, if not plucked, will stop the crop from gorwing the next day. That's all

Only an issue if you go on a long hunting/cooking/fishing/whatever excursion and don't make it home

When day is over I'll give an example layout for you

[mint sandal]

Yeah, that's why I make all my layouts 100% water/weedblock cause I run around all the time and only go check on my garden once in a while

[midnight mantle]

I dont mind returning though so we chilling

[supple stone]

I mean in-game day time haha

So 10 mins

[midnight mantle]

My layout is pretty simple two spice berries two blue berries caty corner to keep three trees targeted the rest is the same boost from likewise crops on the other two trees with some water retain on the edge/last spot

[supple stone]

@midnight mantle Here you are, 100% quality/harvest/water with 5 apples. So much fertiliser though. Personally, doubt I'd bother with going for 100% quality up, but making everything guaranteed starred produce IS nice at least

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-A.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.Q-R.QP.QCb.QB.QB.QP.QB.QB.QCb.Q-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-Cb.QPCbP.HS.QS.QCoS.QS.Q-AAAAAAAAA-S.QS.QCoS.QS.QP.HCbPCb.Q-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-Cb.QB.QB.QP.QB.QB.QCb.QP.QR.Q-A.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.Q

[neat vortex]

Nice work!

Too bad it's not so easily adaptable to water/weed/HB

Maybe someday they'll give us a weedblocker bush XD

[supple stone]

I would love a water retaining bush

But yeah, just lucky jaguar wasn't bothered about weeds haha

Such large amounts of fert though =/

[floral talon]

weedblocker bush or waterretain bush would be interesting
imagine having that as a 3x3 then we can make mini mega layouts

[midnight mantle]

Goat thank you so much this is pretty damn much what ive got running rn

[supple stone]

Yeah, not much else you can do with 5 apples tbh

[supple stone]

I tend to use tomatoes rather than cabbages btw, but in the image that would have been difficult to make out with so much of them and the apples...
Tomatoes will be getter for fertilising your garden though.

For the fertiliser, you don't need too much harvest boost comparatively, but worm/glow worm farms with pickled tomatoes might be enough to keep you running, depending on how much you play each day
As for quality up fert, apple/blueberry jam in worm/glow worm farms will easily keep you stocked
How many of each farm you'd need 100% depends on your playtime though, and you'll just have to play around with the numbers

[midnight mantle]

Ill swap it up with tomatoes and occasionally potatoes if i need them for cooking

Usually need tomatoes more with the mushroom dish

[supple stone]

Potatoes and tomatoes are the 2 most profitable. Cabbages are kinda meh for profit but the most convenient as you can leave it for 6 days

I tend to always have tomatoes and potatoes in my layouts usually

[midnight mantle]

I rarely leave em out for that long i will go back at 6 am every day and water no matter what im doing

Lowkey you made my exact set up as i described cudoz to you brother minus a few crops but the wheat is even there

[supple stone]

I couldn't work out what you were describing tbh

Also, I used rice 😄

[midnight mantle]

Eh close enough i stick wheat in the corners rice and cotton could be cool too though

More cotton for me idrk how much it helps but yours looks damn close

Approximately how profitable is that set up compared to others

Some just blow it out of the water or no?

[rotund oriole]

Does anyone have an updated chart with what crops to turn to preserves vs seeds for money?
everything i see is from 1 yr+ ago and Palia’s changed a lot about gardening prices since then (as well as the addition of batterfly beans and pumpkins)

[floral talon]

no need for a chart

this ignores self use
bokchoi potato > seeds
other stuf u can jar jar
cotton self use as itself or fabric only(dont even bother growing it past lv25)
seed the rest
it gets super complicated if ur crafters cant keep up though but who wanna bother with that entire spreadsheet to calc it

so yeay like its literly 3 super short sentences that are necesary to remember

[rotund oriole]

i dont know i saw a spreadsheet from before elderwoods update with all the data and i loved it😂
but perfect thanks so much! i saw a comment on reddit that said that, but didnt know if since the last update anything changed (since i know batterfly bean seed recipe changed)

[floral talon]

yeay batterfly beans used to be go seeds but now its go jar
i assume this cuz i keep forgetting to check it but its probably true (and why farm beans for crafters purposes now anyways XD

[rotund oriole]

ahhhh okay sounds good, thanks!! i think thats what it changed to as well but wanted to double check : )

[frail crescent]

Is there a graph or anything that says what crops to make preserves out of and what ones to make seeds with to make gold with?

[floral talon]

read 4 messages up

[frail crescent]

Ahh ok.
So seeds for Bokchoy and potatos and everything else as preserves.

[short sundial]

Found this and it’s what I’ve been doing, made lots of money this way

[neat vortex]

still seeds on a per-crop basis

by value added per time, it's jar (swapped from blueberries lol)

not that anybody should be growing blueberries for solo processing revenue in the first place...

(by the numbers, anyway - everybody is always free to do whatever they want/whatever works for them)

[supple stone]

Blueberries and corn are better off jarred.

Which means:
Seed: Bok Choy, Potatoes, Rice, Wheat and Beans.
Preserve: everything else

Technically cabbage is fine with either, but it stalls relatively quickly in a seed collector.
As for cotton, you seed it if growing it for profit, but in general better off replacing it with something else, or just using it for fabric if you're already growing it... As long as you would use the fabric and not sell it.

[floral talon]

Oh so its still seeds got it

[neat vortex]

Yeah, batterfly beans as seeds comes in between carrot and onion (50.3 g/tile/tick) and batterfly beans as preserves is 45.8, which is... the rank above selling bok choy raw, lol

(but still better than cabbage as preserves!)

[floral talon]

Il update my faq thing

[supple stone]

To be fair, you can make more profit per produce by worming the canned Beans.
However, I think the only use case for this is if you hate cooking, use Canned Beans for a food source but have ended up with a surplus.

Otherwise, you're using double the processing time for a measly 10 extra gold per tile per growth tick compared to seeding it.
At which point, worming tomato preserves is weirdly a lot better, and you could just glow worm cheap stuff for even more additional profit per hour.

[floral talon]

i feel like i should make a proper cheatsheet for this so i can forward it nonstop

[supple stone]

Haha, maybe

[frail crescent]

That would be so helpful!

[ivory wind]

I just looked at the jars in the preserve machine. I make blueberry and potatoes mostly. They seem the best.

[neat vortex]

Funnily, for potatoes, if you turn them into seeds you get 4 x 30g (120g) per potato, versus 102g for processing them in a jar.

The downfall of blueberries is that while the jams are worth a fair bit, the blueberries sit on 4 tiles and take a comparatively long time for their yield, meaning that the gold per tile per tick is on the low end of the range.

IRONICALLY, even though apples are a bit higher gold per tile per tick than beans, because of the way they fit into most layouts, a 3-bean layout with supporting crops will bring in somewhat more revenue than a 3-apple layout with supporting crops, because the beans leave more room for/require support from more single-tile cash crops...

But if you're going purely for solo-processing revenue, might not be better to grow either beans or apples in the first place, lol

(assuming you always replant your bok choy on time yadda yadda, which for sure isn't the case with ME)

so, y'know, compromises

know thyself, etc.

[dark storm]

What are we doing with excess crops? I have an absolutely absurd amount

[clear kindle]

well, if you can't process them you can see if there's any high cost cooking parties that are going that need the excess crop and sign up for that position, or if not a social butterfly and unable to process them all and running out of storage space for them, sell them raw (unfortunately)

[neat vortex]

Bok choy

But also potatoes and rice

[ebon oriole]

i saw a list somewhere about which crops to process into seeds/ preserves for profits, does anyone have that? it was a spreadsheet with the final column telling you exactly what to do. thought i saved it but didnt

[neat vortex]

The one by u/HollowofHaze on Reddit?

I should make an updated version with the new crops tbh

that user isn't playing Palia anymore, as far as I can tell

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fkc0dp2quf0hc1.jpg%3Fwidth%3D6651%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D53781b753ad1aaa9c21ec4283168fc7bc5a1223b

https://www.reddit.com/r/Palia/comments/1akh2ll/updated_should_i_make_this_crop_into_seeds_or/

[ebon oriole]

YESS! thank you so much!

[ebon oriole]

i would be forever grateful if you do

[dark star]

Hey, i have a question, right now i am trying to raise me none starred inventory of crops like wheat and potato to use as cooking but even tho i don't have any quality up and use basic seeds, it still give me between 0-1 normal and 2-3 stars crop per 10 plants.

Isn't it suppose to gave far more normal crops then that when using basic seeds ? It feel like using quality seeds and fertilizer is useless since a large number of the crops turn starred anywayy.

[floral talon]

Ur level buffs the odds

[dark star]

Oh, so higher my gardening lv the higher the chance of it being starred ?

[floral talon]

Yup at 38 u can never get unstarred anymore

At 25 all starred seeds give absolute starrdd

[dark star]

Well thats annoying :/ Its hard to make food when i have no starred ingredients like garlic and spice sprouts, which every recipes seem to take either of those

[floral talon]

when u run out of starred spice the any spice recipe allow su to chose unstarred if u selected allow starred

if u got an any spice stepo in that case just lockbox ur starred dariclove cuz why waste that when a spice sprout woudl work

basically htere is no problem unles u forget to click the checkbox

[dark star]

Oh, you are not forced to use only starred ingredient even if you select "use quality food" ? So my guess is just that you have little less chance of the final food being starred ?

[floral talon]

klike for excample if the step is use potato and u used up ur starred u can then select an unstarred if u went for allow starred

[dark star]

I see i see, well that sound less annoying for sure 😮

[floral talon]

yeay its lesss chance but ur forced to use starred if u have one(ignoring lockbox) as it wont allow u to select ur unstarred but u can use unstarred if u got no starred(or its in ur lockbox)

idk why they designed it this way tbh
i would rather have prefer starred be deafult but it always allow u to manually select from everything u have (which would be hilarious on fish if u got all fish starred and unstarred lmao 200 choices to select from XD)

andi think it should default ur least valueble starred ingredient

[dark star]

I see, well thx for clearing all of this for me 🙂

[daring jay]

hello, i have a question about preserves jars, im slightly new to the game and im struggling to make money lol, what crops should i put into my 3 preserves jars? and what crops should i be growing for money? i am royally confused and i have no idea what im doing

[floral talon]

can u jar it and if its not beans bokchoi potato u jar it

[lethal osprey]

Came to ask this exact question! Thank you for your response @floral talon

[floral talon]

you are welcome

[daring jay]

okay ill keep that in mind, thank youuu

[quick mist]

What is this from?

And I need a super... duper... simple.... layman's term.... on how to make maximized worms please. I am cognitively challenges right now, and I just can't wrap my head around how to make the green fertilizers maximized. I am slowly getting into fishing more (cognitive impairment makes it harder for me to fish), but my focus is the fertilizer. Should I be baking a specific dish? Or just grilling fish? Thank you so much in advance!

Overall goal is to have worms ready for random fishings, but I mostly want fertilizer. I can only handle fishing so much before I legitimately feel pain.

[jolly jetty]

Someone could probably help you with the worm output from the glow worm farm (bc i dont pay much attention to how much worm it puts out).

but if you put anything savory (like veggies) they'll make harvest boost fertilizer. Anything sweet (like fruits) they'll make quality up fertilizer

Someone might have the full on spreadsheet of the output i think

[quick mist]

The spreadsheet you're talking about I've definitely combed ten times over. It's very hard for me to translate it.

Do appreciate the clarity for savory vs sweet. I forgot there's a fourth type of fertilizer (QualityUp!)

Should I be worried about premium ingredients or solely coin value? I've been purging non-quality ingredients.

I decided on Bean Burgers for 220 coin/1,200 focus.

[jolly jetty]

to my knowledge the higher the coin value, the more output you'll get. But ofc theres always the problem of do you need the coins for other things, so choose whatever you prioritize. I do put both regult and starred things in the glow worm farm

[quick mist]

TYSM - this makes sense.

TBH Zeki's coins from the underground fueled about 90% of my cooking habits. I FINALLY ran out of vinegar (60+....)

And butter.

And milk.

[jolly jetty]

Honestly i usually just put whatever i have in abundance lol. I personally need the coins since i like to gamble it on zeki coins. So i usually sell any starred dishes but if you're not in need of money from selling dishes, feel free to use the dishes for the glow worm farm

[quick mist]

Your logic makes sense. IRL I just learned some people shop by the sales at the store, not meal-plan ahead unless it's on sale. Using what I have vs. buying with intention is cheaper.

Yeah, youth gambling is a new trending problem. I've seen multiple billboards near where I live. The underground technically isn't gambling until you spend 10K coin on a single coin, hoping for a plushie but end up with x3 Peki eggs.

Then again, just earning the bagged prizes in a manner of speaking, is Zeki feeding the community with next to no shame and an unorthodox way.

[jolly jetty]

Yeah, sometimes you have those hunting or fishing days -> grilled meat/fish for glow worm farm. I always have some crops on garden so if i have any leftovers from preserve jar, i put it in too. My way definitely isnt really efficient way tho but it works for me lol

if you're looking for the most efficient, if im not wrong. You can kinda cycle up between going to bean burger cooking party and putting the dishes in the farm. Bean burger makes quite a lot of worm and harvest boost fert. Cake is also a good choice if you're looking for the quality up fertilizers. Since those two foods are one of the most often found cooking party

[quick mist]

Perfect Tysm! ❤️ So I want both types in glow worm farms right?

[jolly jetty]

Whichever fertilizer you need. If you need both, yeah! You can have multiple glow worm farms running at the same time

[crude umbra]

Hello!
I was wondering if anyone has encountered this issue:
When I plant crops, they won't grow a tick unless I'm at the housing plot when 6am rolls around. I don't have to be close to or looking at the crops, but as long as I'm on the housing plot they'll grow.

I know about having to be online to have the crops grow, that's not the issue, the issue is that I have to book it from Zeki's to watch my plants grow every in-game day 😂

This issue started when I dumped the max amount of HydroPro Fertilizer on all of my squares, but now it's a persistent issue, even with the fertilizer gone.

Some things to note:
• The crops are watered. No plots have any HydroPro Fertilizer anymore.
• There aren't any weeds on my main crops, though I have a sacrificial weed plot. I put the weeds on plants I don't care about so I don't have to go back and weed everyday

Has anyone encountered this bug? Are there any fixes? Any help is really appreciated!

[noble solar]

If you're offline, will your garden still tick over and grow over multiple game time days if you have the water retention buff on the plants? Or is it just if you're online that it grows?

[dark star]

it will tick for one time only

if you are offline

So if you want to grow your farm, just stay afk on your plot and do an action each couple minutes

[noble solar]

Ahh; good to know thanks! Also how many game time days does the water retention hold up? Do I just have to water the plants when they are planted and then they are all set? Or does it just cover the plants for one or two game time days?

[dark star]

if it doesn't have something like water buff, i am pretty sure you need to water your crops after each ticks

[noble solar]

but the buff keeps it watered till it's ready for harvest?

over 4 or 5 game time days?

[dark star]

if you use the water fertilizer, it wiil use up 1 fertilizer per tick. If you use something like tomatoes or potatoes on an adjacents slot, it will hold the water for it forever, at least untill you sow and replant

[noble solar]

got it, yea i've set up potato and tomato plants to keep everything water buffed, that's what I was lookin to figure out. Thanks! 🙂

[dark star]

then you should be good to go 🙂

Just remember to water again when you plant an other seed.

[noble solar]

Yep! Thx. I'm using this guys set up... it's out of date, but so far it's been working well
https://www.reddit.com/r/Palia/comments/15m1v4k/farm_layout_all_buffs_on_all_crops_except_4/

And his google doc:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bdgg7CoQVqvU3-K4UxbiN_UYtdl6-ZcjBz7iXzOo3l8/edit?gid=1731978822#gid=1731978822

Keeps almost all plants completely buffed.

[faint pecan]

hii im still kinda new and wanted help creating a layout for my garden that doesn’t include apples. i got rewarded 5 blueberries seeds if those are pretty good. ive mostly just been planting tomatoes, wheat, rice, potatoes, cotton, onions, and cabbage

[noble solar]

This is a really good guide; but may be on the complex side: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bjqQGwzhW7wsIpSDoO3xCMwqbX7ZbsdsuuXmPEXCrjE/edit?tab=t.0

[dark star]

You could also use a calculator and try out layouts in advance

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/

[neat vortex]

You're on the right track with potatoes, tomatoes, rice, and wheat!
If you're aiming to make gold from your garden, bok choy is especially powerful, particularly if processed as seeds.

The top cash crops for solo processing, in order of gold per tile per tick, are:

1. bok choy (seeds)
2. potatoes (seeds)
3. rice (seeds, or for even more revenue, bring your excess rice to sushi or sashimi parties that use rare/epic fish)
4. tomatoes (jar, or bring to burger parties)
5. corn (jar) and wheat (seeds, or bring to burger parties) are tied for 5th place

In the middle are apples, carrot, beans (seeds), and onions (jar). I consider these the "filler" crops, useful either for reducing replanting labor (apples, beans) or filling in as the weed prevention buddy with bok choy (carrot, onion). I tend to lean on onions more since they are used for poke parties and more frequently used in cooking in general. Apples (once you unlock them) are used for profit parties as well as for making honey lures. Beans are used for burger parties, as well.

Everything else is a utility crop for cooking, since they produce less gold than selling raw bok choy: cabbage, blueberry, pumpkin, and spicy pepper.

Blueberries and spicy peppers do have some uses in profit parties, but blueberries are generally only used by folks who are *hosting * cake parties (not guests), and spicy peppers only for muujin Bahari, which has fallen in popularity in favor of less complex recipes.

[shy solstice]

Anyone know how I can use roughly the same layout as this but add at least 1 bean and 1 pumpkin crop ?

[quaint fractal]

hi im looking for AFK layout that focus on rice but still have good Water Retain, Weed Prevention

[dark star]

Ive seen a "lazy man" layout recently, it uses every single crops while having 100% water and weed prevention.

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-BBTBBBkBkTCr-PCoPOBkOCbTW-TSSBkSSCrTBk-OCbWRTBkOCbC-AAAAAAAAA-CCbOBkTRWCbO-BkTCrBtBtBkBtBtT-WTCbOBkOPCoP-CrTBkBkPmPmTPmPm

[shy solstice]

Thank you

[neat vortex]

If you don't need to keep the blueberry and pepper plants, blueberry and beans are synonyms, and peppers and pumpkin are synonyms, buff-wise.

Also, not sure what's up with the funky double bok choy on the top left and bottom right 🤔 subbing in onion for one of each pair would avoid a weedblock fertilizer

(this layout is essentially my All the Everything garden, lol, complete with the center carrots on the diagonal)

[shy solstice]

Yeah I am wanting to keep them but thanks I’ll keep that in mind if I’m wanting more beans and pumpkins !! and aw haha yeah I got the layout off here a long time ago and did swap out some things for what I wanted more of

[steep dragon]

Quick question, since I love to make spreadsheets for games I love like Palia and Stardew Valley, is lettuce still not in the game yet, and if so does anyone know when lettuce will be added?

[stable ginkgo]

Lettuce has not been added yet. We do not have a date for its release.

[steep dragon]

Ok thanks, just wanted to ask just in case I was missing it somewhere

[mint sandal]

If you search "everything garden" in this channel, you'll see a bunch of different ones. We all made quite a few. I personally make all mine 100% water retain/weedblock with companion buffs and bring the harvest boost to 100% with fertilizer

[timber knot]

anyone found the flow trees?

sorry if wrong chat

[neat vortex]

You might be looking for #🍳│cooking-foraging (flow trees fall under foraging), but it's worth noting that there are dozens if not hundreds of servers up, and there's no way to tell which one you're on. You'd do better to ask in server chat in-game.

[waxen cipher]

Hey, friends! My wife and I are wondering what's the most efficient setup for farming at home? I've been playing around with a tomato-corn*/rice/wheat layout, and have just started trying to implement blueberries and pumpkins and beans into the rotation, does anyone have a specifically good layout you can share? Thanks! ☺️ Copy pasted from the general channel, we do not have Apples yet, to be clear 🥺

[neat vortex]

Perhaps the Bullseye with corner bush substitutions? The base layout is quite good for gold, and can be flexible to accommodate any single-tile crop as well as all four bushes, if you don't mind filling in with more fertilizer to cover the lacking harvest boost buff next to the pumpkins and peppers.

[waxen cipher]

Is there a link or image for that layout? I'm not quite sure what that means 🥺

[neat vortex]

Yes, needed a minute to look it up

[waxen cipher]

Okay thank you!

[neat vortex]

Here's the basic bullseye: #🌱│gardening message

and here's Yexol's concept for subbing in bushes into the bullseye layout: #🌱│gardening message

Adapting Yexol's concept, the Bullseye with one of each bush type would look like this: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-P.HT.HO.HBk.HSSO.HSS-BkPTRCrRTOBk-OBkP.HBtBtTBtBtO-TRBkPCrOBkRT-PRPTCrBkPRP-TRBkOCrPBkRT-OBBTBBP.HBkO-BkOTRCrRTPBk-PmPmO.HPmPmBk.HO.HT.HP.H_D180L50

[waxen cipher]

Okay thank you so much! I'm sending all of these resources to her and talking to her about it now, I appreciate you!

[neat vortex]

Sure thing :)

As a note, blueberries, peppers, and pumpkins aren't too great for solo processing revenue, so once you're stocked up and are done with the accomplishments for them, I might swap them out for either the base bullseye crops or at least to beans. (Beans aren't great for gold - they're in the middle, like apples - but they're a fair bit better than the other three.)

[chrome elk]

can they add cucumber

if they add any more plants they should at least increase the soil limit

[idle field]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1389354068412993536/1399370145503252581/image.png?ex=6888c081&is=68876f01&hm=d93cad5ac8d2aa20a2d042a3003389cc293acf052893b6dc92a930ba358274d4&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=794&height=903
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1389354068412993536/1399370145742323813/image1.jpg?ex=6888c081&is=68876f01&hm=53f88781d381d09d613b92c83db83fa13952d643afcfa43086b94b6d243fd2df&=&format=webp
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1389354068412993536/1399370144941211698/image2.jpg?ex=6888c081&is=68876f01&hm=12c79fed43d4368dfbdc1df4676ad77a8c654c77f4d327e2a09c95e369e6eb0b&=&format=webp
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1389354068412993536/1399370145167835308/image3.jpg?ex=6888c081&is=68876f01&hm=2df1931bc068a3788c2129cbd914496e74892277e8a98f175af67467585ddfcd&=&format=webp&width=677&height=903

[worthy yarrow]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-Bt.HBt.HCo.HBt.HBt.HO.HCo.HO.HCo.H-Co.HCb.HCo.HP.HCr.HP.HCo.HBk.HCo.H-T.HS.HS.HC.HS.HS.HT.HC.HT.H-T.HR.HT.HCb.HW.HO.HT.HR.HT.H-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-Co.HP.HCo.HO.HW.HCb.HCo.HP.HCo.H-Co.HBk.HCo.HB.HB.HBk.HB.HB.HCo.H-T.HBk.HT.HR.HCr.HR.HT.HCb.HT.H-TC.HT.HC.HPm.HPm.HT.HPm.HPm.H

How can I make this better?

[floral talon]

place onoly fert on spots that need it

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-Bt.HBt.HCoBt.HBt.HOCoOCo.H-Co.HCbCo.HPCr.HPCoBkCo-T.HS.HS.HC.HS.HS.HT.HC.HT.H-TRTCbWOTRT-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-CoPCo.HOW.HCbCoPCo.H-CoBkCo.HB.HB.HBkB.HB.HCo-TBkTRCrRTCbT-T.HC.HT.HCPm.HPm.HT.HPm.HPm.H like this

[worthy yarrow]

Are the other ferts any good?

[floral talon]

yeay water retain and weedblock can be usefull from time to time

[pale echo]

So i'm terrible at coming up with my own layouts and ive looked at the everything garden lists here but I haven't found one thats easy for me 😓 anyone have an everything garden list that is afk (both 100% weed and water) that also has cotton and maybe 2 apple trees and is symmetrical? When the layout isn't symmetrical i have a hard time keeping up with it

[floral talon]

u have so many demands its not possible without a realyl complicated one with lots of fertiliser but il send the best ones i got

dont bother with growing cotton although the second one u can replace corn with it and add some extra harvest fertiliser
fabric is cheaper to buy then to farm urself

[quick mist]

I DID IT AGAIN

I don't know how or why, but I'm STILL multiplying c my fertilizer!!! Again from 0 HarvestBoost Fertilizer in inventory, and dropping QualityUp! Fertilizer?? I jumped up to 80 and still have 39 left over!? One tile of four gave me 24!!!!!!??

And I'm not laying it down thick either!!! Is it the plant arrangements making the soil extra fertile or something. Are we certain there is no spread mechanic?

Note: This is ~4th time in a month I've done this. Accidental!!!

[clear kindle]

do you have a layout for your garden?

either you're getting a bug where fertilizer is disappearing faster than what it is (i got this on my apple trees when i was using fert on them) or the crops are giving the same buff with the fertilizer and the fert is not being used because of the crop buffs that take priority

[floral talon]

U sure there was no fert in the spil already sometimes its invisible

[quick mist]

no i got x8 from a freshly tiled single tile. Dried up.

I work too hard to keep fert so I wouldn't layer it recklessly.

I just pulled carrot from a single tile and it just dried up and I suddenly had x4 harvestboost

[floral talon]

Tiles u just till can have fert on em thats invisible

[quick mist]

weird....... i appreciate it thank you

[robust sphinx]

I need a layout that prioritizes Apples & Blueberries - and maybe others for Harvest Boost or whatever is recommended.
Anyone have anything? I don't have those beans yet.

[random peak]

Can you move crops without distroying them? 😦

[robust sphinx]

You can move the plot, but not the crops.

[pale echo]

I know I just figured I would ask!! And i appreciate you sending me those!! 💓

[robust sphinx]

how does this look for blueberry/apple harvest focus?

[lyric cradle]

weeds galore

[robust sphinx]

I don't really care if I have to pluck the weeds or not

[lyric cradle]

what lvl is your gardening?

[robust sphinx]

10

[lyric cradle]

Its not terrible. once you get past like 25, you can probably replace the cotton/fertilizer for onions/carrots/bok choy because you'll be getting higher amounts of starred crops

[robust sphinx]

I can grow those now though right?

[lyric cradle]

Yeah of course, there's nothing wrong with it. I would still drop the fertilizer because they become pretty much wasteful

[robust sphinx]

I honestly didnt make this. I just don't have any idea what to plant to get the most out of apple/blueberries

I'm still waiting for my seeds to clone before I plant anything.

I just want the most money from blueberries/apples. I've spent an entire week farming (lol no pun) to unlock these.

[lyric cradle]

I've seen a few blueberry/apple setups in here. I personally would go for #🌱│gardening message because its not as much watering. #🌱│gardening message Looks good as well, 5 trees is nice

Ofc with the first ons you can swap out and mirror the left side with blueberries having 4 bushes

[robust sphinx]

Thank you so much! Erocq, this is unrelated, but I know your username... did you ever play Tales Runner? It might be just a similar name.

[lyric cradle]

I did not

[robust sphinx]

I don't have those beans, so I'm gonna go with the second.
Thanks so much!

[neat vortex]

You can buy beans from Badruu if you don't want to go find them in Elderwood - you'll need 2 to make bean seeds

[upper orchid]

are there sprinklers or something like that?

[quick mist]

One of the beans will be replaced with a pepper so all but Apple and Blueberry are there twice. I try to replace like for like... but I feel pressure to perform in-game against Palian time vs gardening plot.... advice what I could do better? I rotate like for like (Potato v. Carrot, same benefit.)

Note: I'm trying to reduce Harvest Booster. So I know there's overlap. I'm still struggling with the tile domino effect.

[lyric cradle]

they're called potatoes/tomatoes/napa cabbage jokes aside, no

[upper orchid]

i see

[quartz bobcat]

Going from a 4 apple early game layout to a 3 apple layout with a bean which i can rotate for any one of the 4 tile crops as i need them. Just wanted to share and if anyone has thoughts feel free to give feedback. Mostly looking to increase profit from my last garden without totally going all in yet on an apple free design. https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-R.WPBkW.WTOR.WP.WR-AAAAAAAAA-RPBk.WO.WTWRP.WR.W-AAAAAAAAA-PTPBkOBkPTP-AAAAAAAAA-BkORPTPBk.WRBk.W-Bk.WRBkTBtBtRBtBt-OBkRPTPBk.WRBk.W_D180L25Cr0.A.P-AP-BP-PS-TP-BkS-OP-RS-WS-CP-BtS

[floral talon]

i filled inthe bh fert spotshttps://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-R.WPBkW.WTOR.WP.WR-AAAAAAAAA-RPBk.WO.WTWRP.WR.W-AAAAAAAAA-PTPBkO.HBkPTP-AAAAAAAAA-BkORP.HTPBk.WR.HBk.W-Bk.WRBkTBtBtRBtBt-OBkRPTPBk.WR.HBk.W_D180L25Cr0.A.P-AP-BP-PS-TP-BkS-OP-RS-WS-CP-BtS

[quartz bobcat]

Do you think the 3 missing harvest fertilizer spots are worth doing in terms of cost and profit?

[robust sphinx]

with medals or gold?

[quartz bobcat]

im pretty sure they are gold

[robust sphinx]

Gotcha

[quartz bobcat]

Just adding a picture for people

[floral talon]

yes

[quartz bobcat]

sweet thanks 👍 I was definitely trying to optimize best i could for minimizing fertilizer especially the harvest one.

[floral talon]

17 fert for 3 buffs 100% is not bad at all

[neat vortex]

apologies, I spoke imprecisely: you buy them from the farm stand cash register, not from Badruu himself

[chilly harbor]

noticed the hitboxes to select hydrangeas in build mode is a little too small for mouse and keyboard. is there a way to select multiple things, or must i do them one by one? /nm

[neat vortex]

You can group select certain things if they are builders blocks near each other or items attached to each other directly, but I don't think flowers next to each other will group up with that command

[chilly harbor]

it oke

[rancid spade]

hi guys!! im looking for the most profitable for being afk farm - i have 5 seed makers and 5 perseveres but idk what to do LOL

i also only have 1 apple seed and 4 blueberry seeds

[supple stone]

I actually have a similar layout with 3 apples, just I then fit in 6 bushes to reduce replanting effort. The 2 middle bushes can be anything except Beans.
#🌱│gardening message

[supple stone]

2 of the more profitable 100% water/weed layouts:

Bullseye Layout (very little fertiliser needed):
#🌱│gardening message

More fertiliser heavy but more profitable Bok Choy focused layout:
#🌱│gardening message

Depending on how much you play each day, you may need to invest in more crafters. 5/5 may be enough for only playing a few hours a day though.

Now, if you WANT to be using the apple/blueberries, I'd have to do some digging. They're not the most profitable crops though, but apples ARE very convenient.

For the future (as I know you said you only have 1 apple seed), if you want something where you can be off doing things for hours without missing out on many harvests (ie, mostly apples really), then here are a couple options:

Sylvablade's afk apple layouts:
#🌱│gardening message

Duhscape's 6 apple (heavy fertiliser use) layout:
#🌱│gardening message

[rancid spade]

tysm!!!!!!

[neat vortex]

You might also consider the cross layout by Astrea Moreno (if you search for that in the channel it should pop up)

one apple in the middle, very similar to the bullseye (crops-wise, at least - layout's different) otherwise

[rancid spade]

ooo i like that one, i think ill use that tysm

[supple stone]

Was struggling to think of the names of 1 apple layouts to find and link them haha
So thanks Ren

[neat vortex]

I really hope we can have a layout gallery someday lol

[rancid spade]

that would be amazing hahaha

bcs i was scrolling through and getting lost LOL

[supple stone]

Yeah... In the meantime I am tempted to make some posts linking to a bunch of different layouts so can easily forward/link to them.

[neat vortex]

Yeah

[supple stone]

Search bar is your friend!

[neat vortex]

Yeah, filtering this channel by links and/or images can turn up some fun stuff

[supple stone]

Or, filtering by images/links and a certain word (eg apple, minmax, lazy, afk)

[neat vortex]

Haha, it's learning the keywords that can be the challenge

[supple stone]

Definitely...

[neat vortex]

Though that's also why I end up frequently asking people to edit keywords and titles into their posts XD

You know what I'd love?

for the exported image to have, like. a QR code, or a shortlink, or both

(from the garden planner)

[supple stone]

Would be good!

[neat vortex]

also portrait orientation XD for easier reference on phone screens

in the meantime, there's bit.ly and assorted image editing software, I suppose

[supple stone]

Indeed... But who can be bothered with all that?

BTW, remembered I did a small reference post for everything gardens a while back but feel I may have missed some. Any clues what to add in Ren?
#🌱│gardening message

[neat vortex]

I do not have enough brainpower just this minute to follow a bunch of links without labels, but if I can remember, I'll have a look sometime tomorrow

[supple stone]

But you're a night owl, you're in your element right now!

(Joking, np!)

But yeah, labels would be important haha
Hence why I didn't call it a complete reference post 😄
Well, one reason.

[livid maple]

What is a good layout for gardening as i just plant what evere

[supple stone]

Sorry, but this is too vague to really answer. What's good for one person isn't always good for another.
Some questions:

1. Are you looking for higher profit or higher convenience? Higher profit tends to mean more frequent replanting.
2. Want it 100% water/weed proof? Or is this not an issue?
3. Do you have access to all seeds? If not, what don't you have?
4. What gardening level are you?
5. Any crops you want for cooking recipes? Or do you want apples for honey lures?
6. Do you want to be using fertiliser? If you want the 3 main buffs (harvest boost, water retain, weed block) on everything, at a minimum 4 fertiliser is needed in the corners
7. Last one, but possibly one of the more important ones... Do you want a layout where you process everything yourself (seeding/preserving for better profit) or would you be looking to take the produce to cooking parties (more effort but 100% the best option for profit). I've never done a cooking party myself haha

[livid maple]

Me being me all of them lol

I am level 7 gardening i think

[supple stone]

I... Don't understand what you mean by this, sorry

But OK, so you don't have apples/blueberries yet

You could try one of the first 2 links in this post
#🌱│gardening message

Profitable but still don't need watering/weeding

(Except when replanting)

[livid maple]

I have one apple tree and blueberries

Just waiting to make more apple seeds

[supple stone]

Right, well you're not giving me any info of what you actually want from a layout, so I really have no idea what to suggest to you. I asked those questions to try and understand what you want.
All I can say is maybe try searching through the channel filtering for links or images, maybe you'll see something you like

I have to go now though, so good luck finding something!

[livid maple]

Thanks for writing back in have looked at few think at the moment I really want money making if can at this time

[tame forge]

I have a question… for those who have brick around your garden, how did you acquire the brick?

[clear kindle]

are you talking about the small lining around the gardens? if so, i believe they are from the spring fever set which you buy the starter set from badruu's register at his stall and then get the lining through inspiration

[tame forge]

Yes, thank you 😊

[floral talon]

brick?

[tame forge]

Yes.. I’m looking for something like how she has around her garden

[floral talon]

mh paved somethings or those might be chopping boards

[olive pumice]

Looks like gourmet butchers blocks to me 🙂

[tame forge]

Ok gourmet butcher blocks

[robust sphinx]

With this layout, what would I be harvesting? Its one someone used above, but I wanted to double check.

It sounds tedious to replant everything, or is that the point?
I know some people keep some crops just for their boosts.

[floral talon]

what u dont harvst replant wont produce anything but u can do whatever take sylvablade for example harvesting more then me when not replanting half

[chrome elk]

what's the best to put in the glow worm farm?

[ivory wind]

Looking for a garden layout that includes 1 apple tree, 2 blue berry bushes and a good amount of cotton for crafting that is 100% water and weed retaining. I have been working in the garden planner and can’t quite get it to work so thought I’d see if anyone had one.

[ivory wind]

I finally got one that I think works. I was able to fit in 7 cotton plants.

[clear kindle]

depending on your gardening level, it might just be better to outright buy the fabric as you need it, as you can get more gold from other 1 tile crops than from the two cotton you would need to make 1 fabric

[neat vortex]

cheapest glow worms or fastest glow worms (pick one)?

[neat vortex]

dyed in the Berry color scheme (pink), if I'm not mistaken

[robust folio]

I'm looking for a good fully AFK farm layout.

[chrome elk]

Fastest please

[robust sphinx]

What? Im sorry but I don't understand what you said.

[neat vortex]

Good for what, in particular?

[robust folio]

Just passive income.

I've hit the end of the main story, and I'm only looking to slowly upgrade my house now, so I just need money.

[neat vortex]

Glow worm (and fertilizer) yield scales with the sell value of whatever you're feeding the farm - you get about half the value back in glow worms, and half back in fertilizer. If you want high yield, but kind of expensive, glow worms, I recommend anything savory with a high sell value. However, this will cost you about 20-30g per glow worm depending on the exact value of the thing.

If you'd like exact numbers, check the Glow Worm Farm Values Lookup sheet here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AfqsJjHJbN2WR3x1nYxeA2OP72GKNVfk2aO-4Geeiis/edit?gid=2112178574#gid=2112178574

Some good options include:

• For solo players: grill your excess common and uncommon glow worm fish that you would sell anyway, then chuck those into the glow farm. (Make sure you don't accidentally grill fish you want to keep! I can go over the rules for how cooking chooses ingredients in the cooking channel if you need a refresher.)
• If you don't mind cooking in groups: any savory high-value food will work well, including stuff from sashimi, sushi, or poke parties (made with high-value fish), bean burgers, or muujin bahari if you can find a party for that

You CAN also use high-value sweet foods (e.g., cakes), but since they produce the much cheaper QU fertilizer (2g each instead of 5g), they tend to fill up the output bin a lot faster (and therefore produce overall fewer glow worms before they stall)

ALL THAT SAID...
If you want cheap glow worms and are willing to let your farms chug along overnight, it's very easy to feed them your savory cheap items, like any forageables worth 9-11g, and meat and forage worth 16g. This will produce 24 glow worms per day (so, slow, but with 4 farms that's nearly 100 per day), but they don't jam, and once you sell the fertilizer, the glow worms are essentially free AND you still make a small profit on every item you feed the farms.

15g and 23g meat and forage also work in a pinch, but are somewhat less economical.

[neat vortex]

If you search the channel for "minmax" there is a list of high-revenue farms floating around; some of them are full AFK. I personally recommend the Bullseye for AFK gold-making.

If the replanting is too much to keep up with, though, there are other options that weave in more multi-tile, reharvestable plants, like Astrea Moreno's cross layout, Yexol's bullseye-plus-beans, or the Diamond Apple Layout. You do lower your maximum revenue per tile per tick, but, then again, plants that sit ready and don't get replanted aren't making you any money, so... lol

Depending on how many growth ticks you average per RL day, you will also probably need to invest in more seed collectors, preserves jars, and the crafter licenses to place them, if you haven't maxed those out already.

However, I'd also recommend that you look into taking your produce to for-profit cooking parties, as that is MUCH more powerful in terms of gold-making potential.

[neat vortex]

What I am pretty sure DS was trying to say here was:

• What you don't harvest and replant won't make you any gold (because it will just be sitting on the tile not producing any more value, since it is no longer progressing)
• But, do whatever you want: Sylvablade (who famously runs a layout in which only the multi-harvest crops - apples, beans, and blueberries - get harvested), harvests more crops in a week than DS does, despite leaving all of the single-harvest crops in the ground
  (this is because DS does not have very much time to play, and - I think - doesn't always have the energy to sort out his garden when he does)

In other words, if it's working for you, it's working!

The garden planner's numbers do assume that you harvest and replant everything on time, though. If you want to simulate the revenue from only harvesting/replanting some of the layout, you'd need to remove the crops you don't plan to harvest and then fill in any missing harvest boosts from companion planting on the remaining crops by adding fertilizer (to simulate the buff). It gets a little trickier with quality up AND harvest boost on crops, but the difference made by QU is not very large past level 8 or 10 or so.

[robust sphinx]

If I don't harvest them, their passives are always there though, right?

[robust sphinx]

Appreciate this.

[neat vortex]

Correct!

The buffs are still active even if they're just an unwatered seed, actually XD

As long as they're in the ground at the growth tick, they're buffing their neighbors (as long as the neighbor is not the exact same crop, obviously)

[robust sphinx]

That's awesome to know! It's not that I don't want to harvest these things, but it's like... as someone on the spectrum, I find it so damn stressful to keep track of the layouts of things. I'd rather just harvest a few things than EVERYTHING

Is SpeedyGro worth it?

Ah apparently not since it doesnt stack with things like buffs that already apply it?

[neat vortex]

SpeedyGro is only available as fertilizer, bought with gardening medals from the guild store. No crops give it as a buff anymore.

I don't recommend using it because it's buggy as heck - not only does it not always work as intended unless you're at home for the growth tick, it also tends to interfere with the harvest boost buff. Furthermore, it's very expensive (gardening medals are hard to come by, as gardening is slow to level and you only get 100 medals from weeklies), and some folks have reported bugs with fertilizer sometimes disappearing from their crops — not too big a deal if it's an easily produced fertilizer, but with SpeedyGro? oof.

[neat vortex]

My usual trick is to go through my layout one crop at a time when harvesting, and harvest (and till) and replant one by one. That way, I don't have to remember the layout at all; the layout remembers itself for me, since I pluck a plant and then immediately replace it with the only seed type I currently have in my action bar.

[robust sphinx]

Thats... completely good way of going about it.

[neat vortex]

I also try to always harvest and replant my crops in the same order every time

and I use fertilizer to keep track of my tomatoes and bushes, so they don't jumpscare me when they're on their last harvest and go poof 😂

My layouts use a lot of fertilizer, though, since I use a linear layout

I find the Garden Cube™ overwhelming, tbh

[placid aspen]

Anyone got a good plot layout for this? 3 soils on each side, so 6 total. Looking for something that keeps up with everything but also makes it so I have at least 1 of each crop going. I have apple trees outside the building so no need to add those. Thank you!

[wheat radish]

I am certain my apple trees are bugged. They gave fruit once, they have water retain 100% and since then it's been way over 6h and still now new apples.

[floral talon]

but what plants do u want in it

[placid aspen]

Preferably at least 1 of each between the 2 sides

[floral talon]

do u really need blueberrys spicypeppers beans and pumpkins they arent used much
also u do not need cotton

[placid aspen]

I suppose I dont need them, but if possible id like to have them just to keep a solid flow of everything

[floral talon]

thats fair but ur not getting cotton its cheaper to just buy fabric

this should do the trick it can be altered into using different types of fertiliser if ur not into zeki ferts

[placid aspen]

Awesome, thank you so much

[floral talon]

your welcome

i like how with this setup u can still move ur soils

[wheat radish]

Someone visited my plot, plucked my knapweed and left 🤔😂

[floral talon]

grandtheftknapweed

the great knapweed heist

[wheat radish]

Lol 😂😂

[silent basin]

hey, does anyone can give away 20 peppers? i can trade for something else, im helping a friend with receipes but i dont have spicy peppers D;

[jovial pebble]

Hello everyone! I'm looking for a garden layout for maximum gold but I can harvest only once every 12 hours. Thanks in advance

[neat vortex]

Were you online the whole time?

[wheat radish]

Well, I counted wrong it seems. 😂 Hour after I wrote the message the apples popped. It felt like it had been longer than 6h since they popped.

[neat vortex]

XD it happens

[neat vortex]

keep in mind that your garden only finishes the current growth tick when you log off, then stops, so the time between play sessions matters less than how much time you spend online when you do play

(unless you meant that you are busy for 12 hours straight when you are online...?)

[jovial pebble]

So if I plant an apple tree and go to work (the character will be offline), won't it grow by evening?

[neat vortex]

Alas, no. It will only get as much progress as you are online for, plus 1 after you log off

[neat vortex]

have you had spicy peppers before and are just out right now, or have never had them at all?

Trading is only a thing in the game for very limited items (plushes, potato pods, stickers, and artifacts)

Otherwise it's only requests: you can (mostly) only request items you've owned before, and you can't fill requests with starred items (which is what most people have for garden produce)

However, someone who has peppers could come and cook with you and your friend and contribute the peppers to the recipe(s)

[jovial pebble]

Ok. What kind of layout is suitable if I want maximum profit, but to replant as rarely as possible? Is something like this suitable for me? #🌱│gardening message

[neat vortex]

As long as you can produce enough fertilizer to keep up with it, then yeah, that would be a good one, or the Diamond Apple layout (4 apple trees) as an in-between. However, all of the "maximum profit" crops are single-harvest, other than tomatoes. Apples and beans are in the middle, revenue-wise. All the other multi-harvest crops are utility crops for cooking and not good for passive gardening income.

[jovial pebble]

I can play game only 20-30 mins in morning and 3-4 hours in evening but still want more profit from gardening XD

[neat vortex]

Are you willing to replant once per IRL day before you log off for the night?

or only every few days IRL?

[jovial pebble]

I can replant twice in a day. In morning and before sleep

[neat vortex]

Okay, in that case, bok choy, potatoes, rice, and tomatoes will be your best friends :)

[floral talon]

tbf the afk 6 apple one is hard to keep up with the fertiliser

[neat vortex]

If you search this channel for "minmax" and filter by links there will be a list of profit-driven layouts

[floral talon]

man i maybe should make one with like no weedblock and dump ALOT of weedblock fert on everything instead of the hb fert

[neat vortex]

Since your playtime is limited, I recommend an AFK layout to maximize growth while you are online

The bullseye is a good one and requires minimal fertilizer

But there are other options, so have a look and see which ones appeal to you

[supple stone]

I think you'd be able to keep up just by using preserves from the garden for worming (as long as you don't play loads every day on average).
Admittedly, only doing the maths with Tomatoes as they're far better than Cabbage for this, but if I'm doing my maths right, just preserving + worming the tomatoes and onions would be enough to keep up with the HB fert requirements. At 6 growth ticks per day, you could get away with only 3 worm farms - 2 for tomatoes and 1 for onions.
Granted, it's not the most optimal profit-wise compared to cheap forageables/meat, but it fits the lazy mentality quite well!

[spare knot]

Hey guys can anyone recommend some new afk farms ?

[supple stone]

Sylva's afk apples:
#🌱│gardening message
(Sylva tends to only really harvest apples/bushes on the left one - the blueberries can be beans instead and still be fine, plus a bit more profitable. If you use the one without bushes, harvest/replant everything).

Duhscape's lazy max apples:
#🌱│gardening message
(Lots of apples, but high fertiliser needs)

I have a triple apple layout:
#🌱│gardening message
(Not perfect, but a bit more profitable than the above layouts, but also slightly more maintenance)

There will be others, though I can't think of the keywords to search for them rn.
Also kinda depends on which crops you want, too, and what exactly you mean by afk farm. Most layouts shared in this channel have 100% harvest/water/weed buff coverage afterall.

[I have Spicy Pepper in mine because I like Soon Tofu, 2 Blueberries would be slightly better for profit and need replanting less frequently]

[clear kindle]

i still only harvested the apples on the second one as well. i was ultimate lazy butt

[supple stone]

Haha, I stand corrected then XD

[floral talon]

ur lazy but somehow farm much much more then the layout makers here

[neat vortex]

Arguable whether I count as a layout maker, but I resent that remark lol

[robust sphinx]

hi so what the heck should I do with pumpkins?

someone said can them but i dont see canned pumpkisn in my preserve list. I've also been jamming Apple / Blueberries and selling em - is that the best way to make money with em?

[mint sandal]

You have to harvest 100 (starred?) pumpkins before you get the "recipe" iirc. Same for the canned beans

[hollow snow]

Beginner here…I’m unable to garden…the Badruu guy is standing by my home plot but won’t sell me soil…HELP

He won’t sell me soil….im unable to garden at all

[mint sandal]

He just gives you 1 or 2 for free for the sake of the tutorial, should be in your inventory. You just gotta place it down somewhere

If your inventory was full when he gave it to you, check your storage chest

[neat vortex]

Only 10 starred pumpkins to unlock the canned pumpkin recipe in the preserves jar, thank goodness! But there is a further accomplishment to harvest 100 of them (only reward is renown).

[neat vortex]

Yes, jam is best on a per-crop basis for both apples and blueberries. But it should be noted that solo-processed blueberries aren't very high revenue per tile per growth tick compared to other things. (Apples are more or less in the middle: not terrible, not great.)

[mint sandal]

Ah, yes, must've mixed up the 2. Ty!

[torn scarab]

hi does anyone have a garden format which includes all types of fruit and vegetables in palia?

[supple stone]

#🌱│gardening message

There's a few linked in this post.

[obtuse shuttle]

Cotton seems to be the way forward after your initial start up of 30 * into seeds = 90 * seeds per stack crop of 30 * cotton is 2k which isnt time consuming like other ways.

[neat vortex]

Come again?

[clear kindle]

i think they were saying that cotton seeds was the way to go for gold? but, that's definitely not anywhere near the best, which is bok choy as far as single tile crops go

[supple stone]

I think they're saying that cotton is good for having shorter seeding times for generating that profit quicker, which...fair, but then why not use rice? Not much longer than cotton to seed, but 20% more profitable

Or Beans, which are about as profitable as cotton, but regrows so less annoying for replanting and is essentially the same seeding time as rice now per produce

(Ignoring for a moment the fact that longer seed times can be a benefit due to less babysitting)

[obtuse shuttle]

If youre active in the garden then something that has a quicker turn over like cotton is a good source of revenue. I was originally doing potatos and then carrots in the same method but cotton is 2020 for 30 * stack.

It all depends how lazy or active you are in this i suppose. Like i dont mind planting my cotton and then going out to do my daily grind of copper iron gold ect. Coming back and my crop is finished rinse and repeat.

If there is a faster revenue crop then id be up for it but so far cotton (not seeds) is great.

[stable ginkgo]

I’m a little confused by your (not seeds) comment but I will say that I agree with you about cotton on a very specific basis.

Cotton is the highest gold per hour crop if you convert to seeds and don’t sell any raw crops. It is a little bit better than the middle average of gold per tile.

When going to the fastest revenue, bok choy and a few others will beat it plus they have better gold per tile values which help with times when you aren’t playing all day long.

You’re on the right track, but there are better ones.

[strong tundra]

And which are best if you are new?

[safe urchin]

Y'all are sleepin on potatoes and tomatoes. Also, you can get bean seeds for free in Elderwood. Batterfly beans are a multi-harvest crop with decent DtH (days to harvest) and can be used to make bean burgers and veggie chili, both being solid for focus and burgers being decent for worm farms.

[full tiger]

A quick question.

If you use harvest boost fertilizer - is placing wheat a waste or does it stack?

[safe urchin]

it does not stack

If you have a buff to harvest from another plant, adding harvest boost fertilizer will not grant more of a buff

[supple stone]

Best if you are brand new is a mix of crops imo
You probably want a water retaining set up so you have more time to go explore/talk to villagers/whatever each day, mixed with Bok Choy as it sells for the highest and rice/wheat for harvest boost buff to increase yields. Maybe a little cotton to increase quality.
How many soil plots do you have? Still just 1 or have you unlocked more yet?

[neat vortex]

Potatoes and tomatoes are definitely in the top 5 cash crops! And beans are middling to decent (better if used at a burger party and sold, but in the same class as apples and carrots if solo processed)

[supple stone]

Beat me to it 😄

[ancient quail]

Just replaced my Old Green trees to Orange Ones 🧡 🧡 🧡 . I Love how they're crooked too so it helped with the composition. Imma change all my trees to Junipers then start Changing my flowers to Warm colors

[zealous wadi]

Hey everyone

I’m a bit confused… I’m trying to buy more soil plots for my garden but the shop says I’m at my purchase limit and I still have 2 plots missing (I’m up to 7). Is there a cap to the amount you can have at each level?? I’m only level 3 gardening

[formal tartan]

iirc yes you need to level up gardening to be able to purchase all the plots

[ancient quail]

Do the Trees Give seeds when they're fully grown like the flowers do?

[wind aspen]

Did you already place the ones you get from Badruu in the beginning? To buy them you need to be level 2 so leveling wise you're not blocked.

Check your storage and see if maybe they're hiding in there

[fleet oak]

does anyone have a good garden layout that i can steal the plans to?

[mint sandal]

There are hundreds of layouts shared in here, it would be helpful to know what your needs are: do you want a bit of every crop, do you want to focus on growing crops for x kind of food parties, are you trying to maximise profit, etc.

[fleet oak]

just a little of everything really im just low on everything and i have mostly pumpkins growing right now

[mint sandal]

Here's nost of the everything gardens I made since pumpkins and beans were released. If you search "everything garden" in the channel you'll find more from other people too. Most layouts also don't include cotton cause past a certain level it's not really worth growing
#🌱│gardening message
#🌱│gardening message
#🌱│gardening message
#🌱│gardening message
#🌱│gardening message
#🌱│gardening message

[fleet oak]

thank you so much i appreciate it

[warm locust]

anyone else upset that were limited to only 9 plots for farming? /: like i understand that we can make ALOT of money from farming itself so having more than 9 can be kinda broken but cmon man, i want more than 9 😩

[neat vortex]

I think... if you search for "9" or "nine" in this channel, you may find kindred spirits in that regard :PPP

But, personally, I'm of the opinion that plenty of players already have trouble keeping up with 81 tiles of crops, and that if we COULD have more soil, it would create some weird pressures.

Because very, very few players would voluntarily hamper their theoretical max production ability. The folks who are very casual about gardening do not hang out in this channel, for the most part. lol

But I already know way too many players who practically ignore their gardens because they find watering/weeding/replanting to be overwhelming (because casual players also typically don't go digging into the companion planting system)

There's nothing WRONG with that, but I think the tradeoffs would be pretty steep for a lot of the playerbase if we had even more tiles to keep up with

(I've already got my garden as optimized for my own brain and playstyle as it can be, and I still don't fully keep up with my crops XD)

[strong tundra]

I have 4 right now, which honestly seems enough for the time I have. I want to maximize money so I can increase inventory. I will later diversify for aesthetic and cooking purposes

[supple stone]

Maximum money means watering and weeding manually each ingame day and applying a lot of fertiliser. You can easily change this to be more convenient at a loss of money.
Having 9 plots is by far a better investment though. And if it's all not needing watering/weeding, then barely more work than 4 soil plots but way more profit

So what would you prefer?

[strong tundra]

I don’t mind the manual approach. I can have the game on while I work on household chores or feed my baby.

[supple stone]

OK, well max money is just full bok choy with harvest boost fertiliser on everything. It's a lot of fertiliser to keep up with though. Next best is Aquajj's bok choy +rice/wheat, I'll get a link.

Was easier to find the compilation. Talking about Aquajj's super duper minmaxed bok choy

Honestly though, my recommendation would be either Bullseye or Three Lines (I also have a variation of Three lines which needs a bit more fertiliser but works out a bunch more profitable than it - #🌱│gardening message . Full Bok Choy or Aquajj's are the best for full profit, if you want things manually.

Hope this helps @strong tundra

[open patrol]

Does anyone know which plot gives the most money? ^^

[neat vortex]

Kindly scroll up about 2 posts :)

[open patrol]

Where? I don´t see it x)

[floral talon]

depends on many factors though XD
amount of soils
gardening lv
amount of avilaable crafters
hhow many growthticks u get in per day

[open patrol]

In general then x)

[floral talon]

hardcore bokchoi

[supple stone]

Read from here #🌱│gardening message
until I say 'hope this helps'

[ripe crypt]

Popping in here to see if I can figure this out better. How many preserving jars do you all have on your property?

I'm currently farming mostly tomatoes, carrots, and apple trees and running with 5 preserving jars. When needed I can do blueberries and cotton or bok choy for quicker, more immediate money outputs but I like the preserving jars and I have a ton of apples, carrots, tomatoes already harvested.

I was thinking of getting two more jars to just help keep up with the production of it but wasn't sure if anyone had any better advice

[neat vortex]

How many processors you need is really going to depend on how many hours of playtime you get in a given span of real time and how faithfully you keep up with your garden.

The garden planner crop processing time tool can help you estimate, though.

...lemme find my writeup on that

[neat vortex]

Here ya go: #🌱│gardening message

I could tell you how many jars, seeders, etc. I have (a lot) for my specific layout with my specific amount of playtime, but that wouldn't necessarily apply for you

[ripe crypt]

That makes sense. I will check out the write up/planner you have though, that is awesome and super useful

[supple stone]

Glad you had that ready Ren, else not sure I would have had the energy to explain it all 😄

[neat vortex]

For the record, blueberries are not too great for gold if solo-processed, in terms of gold per tile per growth tick, but best in jars if you have excess anyway.

Bok choy is significantly better gold per tile per tick than carrots, even in jars instead of the higher-gold seeds, if you like their quick replanting time.

Cotton is around the same gold value as corn and wheat (though rice leads the pack when it comes to grains), but cotton's buff is less helpful than the grains' harvest boost buff once you're past level 8 or 10 or so. If you like preserves jars, I'd swap to corn. Same grow time, better money overall if it's buffing its neighbors. Or rice if you don't mind seeding it (or better yet, taking it to rare/epic fish sashimi and sushi parties)

Uh, more numbers here if you're curious: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qPbCKTJg8xYlR1Pw60ZkaXAERRkXaMC0r3UZZKLWQ_g/edit?gid=1516533569#gid=1516533569
(Crop Revenue Rankings sheet)

[ripe crypt]

I will check that out too. I had found a thing on reddit of a sheet someone had made of which crops are ideal for added value back on preserves vs seeds and I think effort in farming/how long they take to grow which has been useful but this is a lot more in depth it looks like. I will look this all over ^^ thank you very much

[neat vortex]

Yeah, u/HollowofHaze's posts got me started on thinking about crops in those terms :)

This is basically an expansion of that person's approach

[floral talon]

well if anyone ever needs the shortest possible explanation for something ask me otherwise u should probably ask ren

[strong tundra]

Thanks all for your help earlier. Looking forward to trying the different styles

[strong tundra]

Try farming… read further up thread… retry farming… read more while juggling wiggling newborn… retry farming

This is why it is a curse for an accountant to play this type of game

I have been online for at least an hour and haven’t left my plot

[clear kindle]

going to drop this here since it's been a while since i've posted these 100% afk plots

[neat vortex]

How is the first one 100% AFK?

[clear kindle]

because if you only harvest the apples/blueberries(beans) you don't have to care about the other crops if they grow or not since they give the boost right off the bat. it's also set up in a way that you can only get weeds on the water buff crops which don't have any adverse effects on the rest of the crops.

the only reason i tended to the crops that needed either weeding or watering until they were grown is because i wanted the aesthetics of the grown crop

[neat vortex]

I would personally call that "AFK bushes and trees" and not "100% AFK"

[clear kindle]

i've always called it as i did since once everything is done i don't have to do anything with it

[chrome elk]

I am so close to getting the well from Badruus shop

I just need to level up and i can get it. So hopefully my apple trees produce soon

[ebon oriole]

Is the well just decor or functional

[chrome elk]

It better be functional

[ebon oriole]

Considering the koi pond and aquarium arent.... I don't like the odds

[chrome elk]

😭

I will update you when I get it

[ebon oriole]

Plsss

[supple stone]

@ebon oriole@chrome elk
It is functional, you can fill your watering can at one

Very happy with my well haha

[chrome elk]

Omg good 😭

I've been saving up for it

[ebon oriole]

Oh thank god

[supple stone]

My only criticism is that you see the grass through it

[chrome elk]

😔

[supple stone]

As in, rather than there being a graphic of an actual hole, it's just grass

[ebon oriole]

Guess i should tend to my garden lol

[chrome elk]

Well thats just lame

[supple stone]

But you can fill your watering can there, so that's the important thing to me

[ebon oriole]

Lmfao

Also now that I'm here, are pumpkins even worth it, the harvest is so low compared to like spicy peppers?

[supple stone]

Not unless you like pumpkins aesthetically or want to use them for cooking (though, the yield is so low that cooking with them is a bit annoying if it's going to be a main food)

[chrome elk]

They take so long to grow

[supple stone]

Pumpkins are the lowest profit crop (at least if you're processing them)

By quite a margin, too

[ebon oriole]

Yeah i think i might retool my garden from 8 bushes to 6 or something, with just 1 for pumpkin

[chrome elk]

I have 1 pumpkin, 1 pepper, 1 blueberry and 2 beans
it works pretty good for me

[supple stone]

I have 3 apple trees and 6 bushes in mine, I COULD swap something out for pumpkin and not lose any buffs, but I don't see the point

[ebon oriole]

Yeah i figured it takes me so long to collect enough pumpkin to fill 1 jar, vs peppers or beans or blueberry

[chrome elk]

Do you have room for any other crops 😭

[ebon oriole]

Yeah I'm someone that NEEDS 1 of every crop

[chrome elk]

me too

[ebon oriole]

Yeah on the edges

I have 2 apple trees and 8 bushes and have more than enough space

[chrome elk]

ooo good to know

[ebon oriole]

And 6 tomatos as well

[supple stone]

Yes haha

#🌱│gardening message is my layout, there's a fair few non-bush/apples

[ebon oriole]

81 slots total, 27 taken by apples, 24 by bushes so 30 left for whatever

[ebon oriole]

Oooh thats a nice one, if i could live with my trees being between soil plots i would use that

[supple stone]

I've not had any problems with the trees or bushes being between plots other than some bushes being graphically in the wrong spot until watered/interacted with

But when I used to fertilise stuff inbetween plots I had more issues

One of the reasons I have no fertiliser on the apples/bushes

[ebon oriole]

Oh yeah no there is no issue while playing, i just don't like it lmao

[supple stone]

I get it

[ebon oriole]

But also which is the highest profit bush?

[chrome elk]

I like the beans. They produce nicely and I just can them

[supple stone]

Beans, seeding them

[ebon oriole]

Oh boy

Sooo.... Um i went ham on preserve jars lmao

[supple stone]

Beans are teh only bush which is more profitable than apples btw

[ebon oriole]

Whaaaaa

[chrome elk]

I have 4 lmao

[ebon oriole]

I have 10

I thought seed makers were just to replant the garden lol

[chrome elk]

me too 😭

[supple stone]

Think I have 8-9 preserves, 10-12 seeders?

[ebon oriole]

I could just put the jars in storage and make more seed makers but feels wasteful

[ebon oriole]

I feel better thank you, but how do you fill them all???

[supple stone]

Bok Choy, Potatoes, Beans, Rice, Wheat and Cotton are best for profit if you seed them. (Though Cotton is imo not worth growing).
Everything else you preserve.

[chrome elk]

I love cotton for crafting lol

[supple stone]

3 apple trees. Also the tomatoes/onions/blueberries/spicy peppers

[ebon oriole]

Fair

[ebon oriole]

NOOO

[supple stone]

See, it would be cheaper to grow a more profitable crop and buy the fabric

[ebon oriole]

Always buy fabric do NAWT use star cotton to make fabric

[supple stone]

Needing 2 Cotton per fabric makes it rather expensive to craft

[ebon oriole]

Learnt that hella quick

I do cotton when i need quality boost, and then turn it into seeds

[supple stone]

I stopped doing quality boost fairly early on, realised I was still getting mostly starred stuff anyway

[ebon oriole]

Yeah by lvl 25 you mostly get starred anyways + star seeds

[supple stone]

No, by 25 you ONLY get starred produce when using starred seeds

[ebon oriole]

Yeah thats what i meant by that point quality boost becomes nul and void

I just harvest boost everything to the max

[chrome elk]

🫣

[supple stone]

Even by the time you hit 10 gardening, you have a 70% star chance

[chrome elk]

I don't wanna buy fabric 😭

[supple stone]

(With starred seeds at least)

[ebon oriole]

Damn really , i was doing so much cotton till lvl 15

[supple stone]

That's fair, play the way you like ^^

[supple stone]

I mean, it still helps to guarantee you getting starred stuff, so it's not a waste.

[chrome elk]

I wish they would make it so that starred cotton would make more fabric

[supple stone]

Or add medicine making guild/skill, and starred fabric for bandages or something

[chrome elk]

Omg yess!! That would be very fun

Do starred seeds do anything?

[supple stone]

yeah, extra 25% star chance

[ebon oriole]

I wonder if healing will be added as a skill

[chrome elk]

Chayne or Kenyatta should be the guild person

It'll most likely be Chayne if the do because you gotta be friends with Kenyatta to know ||shes into medicine lol||

[supple stone]

Definitely would be Chayne, mainly for that reason

[neat vortex]

They're also the lowest profit crop if you're cooking with them, because of pumpkins counting 0 toward the dish sell value. So even if you use them for chili oil dumplings made with vampire crabs of all things, they are STILL worse per tile per tick than bok choy as seeds. (And no party host in their right mind would throw vampire crabs in with pumpkins... even if Spooky Chili Dumplings would have been an EXCELLENT party concept imo)

[rigid dawn]

Hello. Can someone help me with a Garden Layout? I tried paliapedia but my crops always need watering or getting rid of the weed. I need a layout that can maximize my Profit, Water retain and Weed prevention.

[neat vortex]

If you search the channel for Minmax and filter for links, that should pull up a list of revenue-focused layouts, some of which are AFK (100% water/weed)

[floral talon]

Gardening lv?
How much growthticks per irl day?

[rigid dawn]

I am at level 26, I don't really care about the growthicks, I plan on playing a few hours daily and harvest them once an irl day.

[floral talon]

Il grab some

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111111111_CR-P.HTRBkCBkR.YWP-WPTBkCBkTRW-RWPBkCBkPTR-TRWBkCBkWPT-PTRBkCBkRWP-WPTBkCBkTRW-RWPBkCBkPTR-TRWBkCBkWPT-PTR.HBkCBkRWP.Y_GtL25Cr0.BkS-CP-RS-PS-CrP-TP-WS-OP

[rigid dawn]

tysm, that's a very interesting layout

[supple stone]

Yikes, Pumpkins really are shafted! As you probably know by now, I know nothing about cooking for profit and never do cooking parties 😄
But, that is why I specified about processing it.

[supple stone]

Check out this message of mine from yesterday #🌱│gardening message
the Bullseye/three lines layouts mentioned are linked in the post above.

[neat vortex]

They really, really are... 😔

[winter lance]

Hi guys! I am playing on PC and usually connect a PS controller to play Palia however I have just changed from using a controller and now i am using a keyboard and mouse. When I select a crop in my bar and go to place it, it doesnt work. The crop hovers over the spot but when I click F or left click it doesn't plant the crop. So strange! :L Anyone got any idea how I fix this? Am I just bugging out do you think?

[neat vortex]

Left click should work as long as seed (seed, right?) is selected and the tile is tilled 🤔

which crop are you planting, specifically?

(I say "seed, right?" because I am almost level 600 gardening and I still sometimes catch myself trying to plant an ear of corn instead of a bag of corn seeds... lol)

[winter lance]

Wow 600!! That is amazing!

[winter lance]

Thanks I fixed it - I tried to make 'interact' F and left click which messed it up so I set my keybindings back to default and it worked 🙂

[lucid spire]

Hi guys ! I am new to the game, I got the watering can made with copper. It says that it can water 5 plants at the same time but it only water max 3 plants for me. Is it normal ? Am I using it right ?

[junior mauve]

Does anyone have a go-to passive gardening profit layout? I'm lvl 10 gardening and have all the seeds, just spending way too much time watering and weeding atm

[rigid dawn]

Here are a few. Just ask this myself today. Also, thanks Silverwind.

I curently wanna try this layout. Seems that it feets every thing I need atp https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-C.HpRCrBkPTCrTBk.W-Bk.WBk.WRPTPCrRBk.W-CrBkC.HpTPRBk.WTCr-RPBk.WBk.WTRBk.WPCr-Bk.WPBk.WPT.WPBk.WPBk.W-CrPBk.WRTBk.WBk.WPR-CrTBk.WRPTC.HpBkCr-Bk.WRCrPTPRBk.WBk.W-Bk.WTCrTPBkCrRC.Hp

[pearl talon]

can someone give me the best money making plot farm that uses all plants?

[supple stone]

I don't think anyone has worked out what everything garden is the best profit wise.
Just for having some of all the crops, you lose out on a lot of potential profit.
Also, depends on if you are processing the crops yourself to sell or taking it to cooking parties (cooking parties are far more profitable than processing yourself)

Some links to a few everything gardens are here:
#🌱│gardening message

But if you want truly the absolute most profit, it would be one of everything, then the rest filled in with bok choy, everything blanketed in harvest boost fertiliser (unless it gets the boost from something nearby) and you manually weed/water every day

[pearl talon]

ok thanks

[bitter lodge]

I have searcehd for Cabbage or cabbage seeds, did a google search for it and found out that it is not currently available in game... apart from getting a cabbage or seeds from another player who logged on during a certain time at 2024.

My question is: Is there any one who would like to trade a cabbage or a bag of cabbage seeds to me?

[pearl talon]

does putting star crops in seed colector gice star seeds?

[supple stone]

You're talking about lettuce not napa cabbage I believe. I don't have it, no news on if or when it may be added... What do you want it for?

[supple stone]

Correct, guaranteed star seeds from seeding a starred crop

[bitter lodge]

Yes, you are correct, I meant lettuce. So it is simply removed from the game completely?

[supple stone]

Well, as you said, you can get the seeds or lettuce from someone who got them. But they have no use other than selling the lettuce

[bitter lodge]

Ok, thank you, I just wanted the lettuce to have the full set. 🙂

[supple stone]

Maybe ask in #🤝│trading
Could be someone there who has it and would be willing to trade it

[bitter lodge]

Ok, (I need access there to write) I will try to find someone there.

[burnt yarrow]

!trading Follow the message below

[compact coral]

Please Read Instructions in Message:

Here's the trading channel: https://discord.com/channels/809856101326913567/1326268508417429584

To participate in this channel, you have to agree to the Rules by reacting with the ✅ to the following message in the trading channel: #🤝│trading message

Make sure to "Add to Channel List", to have it visible at all times.

[supple stone]

Read the pinned message there, you need to react to it

[bitter lodge]

Thank you, you hvae helped me alot!

[strong spear]

Hey I am a returner and need a garden layout <.< can someone help me?

[floral talon]

hey any idea what ur looking for in a layout

[strong spear]

mhm I don't need 100% afk mostly looking for profit or something to take part at cooking parties like the burger one <.<

[floral talon]

mh im not really that familiar with the bean burger recipe as i dont really cook that

[strong spear]

yea then mostly profit

[floral talon]

this?

[strong spear]

that looks nice, thank you! Do I need to place it in a line?

[floral talon]

for that layout yes i mean u coudl break it up but then u need abit more fertiliser

[strong spear]

will try it out, thanks :3

[floral talon]

can always amke more layouts if u need it

[strong spear]

I am still confused about the new stuff :D

[floral talon]

beans used to be amazing but got nerfed into oblivion pumpkins are the absolute worsed crop in the game
oh and before eldeerwoods at some point they changed speedygrow buffs from plants into harvest boost cuz speedygrow was bugged

[strong spear]

you helped me alot, thank you c:

[floral talon]

your welcome

[stable ginkgo]

“Nerfed into oblivion” is a bit of an overstatement

[floral talon]

man i really should run the math but they are not that godo now

normal poeple this thing produce x
me this thing produces less then the other thing

[supple stone]

Nah, you're normal there. Most people don't bother working out the maths, they just ask people who have done it.

When accounting for replanting costs, beans are still more profitable than apples, but not by much - 47.81 gold per tile per growth tick compared to 45.87 for apples.
Previously they were around 100. So slightly worse than a 50% nerf

[coral haven]

Any ideas on ways to level up your gardening quickly?

[neat vortex]

Here is a post with the best I've got: #🌱│gardening message

[coral haven]

Thank you!!

[charred gust]

For those who mainly want to focus on making money and have all the possible gardening tiles you can have, here's what I do ☺️

• I have 2 apple trees, and typically around 4-5 blueberry bushes and the other available spots are mostly onions, tomatoes, and potatoes. I only put down other things (such as cotton, carrot, etc) when I actually need them for something. They grow quickly.

-Always turn everything into seeds!!! (Unless you need to save some for cooking)(I do that with my onions)

-Apple seeds sell for 900 gold and starred ones sell for over 1000. Blueberry seeds can make you a ton of money too and so can tomatoes and onions. I water my plot everytime it's necessary and always turn everything into seeds. In one normal day, I can sell up to 100-120 onion seeds, and about 16-20 blueberry seeds, 2-3 apple seeds, and a tonnnn of tomato seeds. I get 10k-15k every single day simply from gardening and turning everything into seeds. I currently have about 8 seed makers on my plot.

-My main tip is to always sell all the normal seeds and keep a few starred seeds from each thing to regrow them.
You make a lot of extra money by only planting starred products.

And I don't ever sell my potato seeds, I turn those into preserves. They sell for 68 gold each, I make about 15-20 of them a day, they sell for the most gold aside from Apple jam and Blueberry jam, but selling the seeds over the jam gives you a lot more money. But potato preserves are worth more than potato seeds ☺️

• Harvest boost is GREAT for money making and this entire method levels up my gardening skills incredibly fast.

I haven't been playing for long, but this is what works the best for me. I hope it can help those who are mainly focusing on money right now. I've been playing only for 3 weeks and I'm already on level 14 gardening and have a fully decorated plot which includes a grand harvest house, a conservatory, and courtyard too. Just water your crops mid-quest everyday, it's worth it ☺️

[supple stone]

If you're focused on making money, please don't seed everything!
Bok Choy, Potatoes, Rice, Wheat and Beans should be seeded.
Everything else except cotton should be preserved.
Cotton is not really worth growing for profit, but if you want to grow it for profit, seed it.

Apples are middle of the pack for profit but extremely convenient due to how little labour they need compared to everything else.

You're correct about harvest boost being very important for profit though.

Also, you can make setups that don't need watering or weeding.

(Granted, early players do not have preserve jars, but you were mentioning apples which you tend to get at level 9 gardening, which is after you unlock preserve jars)

Ren has a compilation list of some of the most profitable layouts here BTW, if that's of interest.
However, the top crops for profit are Bok Choy, Potatoes, Tomatoes and Rice. So you rarely see any bushes or apple trees in these layouts.
#🌱│gardening message

Also, obligatory mention that the absolute best way of profiting from garden produce is to take it to profit cooking parties, you get a much higher profit than seeding/preserving them would give you.
But that requires a) socialising, b) planning ahead and c) being able to reserve the hour or so the cooking party will run for.
And, some cooking parties will have roles that don't need you to bring any ingredients, but those roles often fill up very fast.

[charred gust]

I think my method is mainly for quick money, I don't focus much on long-term money. Is bok choy really that profitable? I grew a few and turned them to seeds but they didn't sell as much as other things did (Asking this purely out of curiosity and intrigue)(I want to start focusing more on long term profits)
And tomato preserves sell for more than tomato seeds? I only have one preserve up, I've been focusing wayy more on seed making for quick money every day. I get seeds a lot faster than preserves

[supple stone]

Bok Choy is a good 50% more profitable than many other crops like apples.
The reason it doesn't seem that way is because it grows so fast, so the value of every bok choy is relatively low compared to things that take longer to grow.
Because they grow in 3 days though, this does make them more effort to ensure they are replanted promptly.
And as for quick money, seeding tends to be slower than preserves. By a good margin.

Tomatoes definitely make more money when preserving them, yes. You need multiple tomatoes per seed (is it 3 tomatoes for 2 seeds? Going off memory here) which cuts into the potential profit.

But if your aim is big numbers in the shipping bin rather than profit, then loads of apple trees to preserve is what I'd recommend. Though seeding the apples would give much higher selling numbers if you waited a while before selling them

[carmine willow]

Helloooo! I had a silly questioooon, I have quality blueberries should i preserve them or sell them as they are?

[supple stone]

Not a silly question at all, first off get a seed so you can replant and then you're best off preserving for profit

[carmine willow]

Thank you! 🥰

[daring jetty]

Technically blueberry seeds do make the most money

[quick mist]

How much does Bok Choy sell for again preserved?

Choy Veggie = 45 coin;
Choy Seed = 22 coin;
Preserved = 67 coin;
(Thank you @supple stone !)

Edit: Quality/Starred * product.

[supple stone]

Blueberry seeds need 2 Blueberrys and sell for 168 per starred seed.
Blueberry preserves sell for 88 when starred, so 176 for the 2 you would have used on the seeds.
So it sells for more, but that does not make it more profitable.

[supple stone]

67g

All these are starred rates, if anyone else reads and is wondering

[daring jetty]

i think if you followed that calculation up with gold/time... ex:
189mins > 4 blueberry preserves (352g)
81 mins > 2 blueberry seeds (336g) ...

[atomic lantern]

What should you feed the glow worms, needing to increase my fertilizer output? Plz and ty

[supple stone]

Gold per hour is very different to gold per growth tick and in my opinion only really applicable if your crafters are never idle - so for players who are either very early and cannot unlock many crafters or for those who can play almost 24/7.

If you are able to process everything you produce without a backlog after taking into account your offline time per day, then gold per hour becomes irrelevant, as you're wasting crafter time anyway.

But, if you are unable to process everything, then profitability of everything changes drastically. But it just is not the situation for most people.
Besides, generally, when you say something is profitable, you tend to talk about the total return rather than the time needed for said return, so I would not say that a higher gold per hour is more profitable in general.

[supple stone]

The number of worms and fertiliser you get are solely dependent on the value of the food you put in. Higher value means more of each.

If you're fishing with the glow worms you create, recycling the fish you catch into grilled fish (which is feedable to the glow worm farm) can produce the highest quantity of glow worms and fertilisers.
Also good are foods made from cooking parties.
Both of these are somewhat expensive ways of creating glow worms and fertiliser, but if you need quantity it's the best way.
For cheap glow worms/fertiliser, any cheap forage/meat 9g or 11-16g will essentially give you free glow worms, but very slowly.

That said, most gardens can keep up with the harvest boost fertiliser needs using preserved tomatoes/onions from plants used for water/weed buffs alone (if your layout is 100% water/weed proof). This does depend on your playtime per day though. And again, a relatively expensive method of making them.

But, if you are interested in just the fertiliser, then you may be better off with regular worm farms as you can sell the worms for more profit most of the time (there are exceptions).

I tend to fish a bunch, so for me using grilled fish is a no brainer, especially as I'm less bothered about the profit and more concerned with not running out of glow worms.

[daring jetty]

I think gold/hr is the same as gold/growth tick (it happening every hour ..is it not?). But yeah, i'm just saying that "technically" blueberry seeds make the most money. I'm not talking how many crafters you have or how long you're playing or even if you can process it all or not. It's purely, what can you put in your crafter that will make you the most money 🙂 on a per hour basis.

[supple stone]

No, they are not the same as crafters continue to run when you are offline and not getting growth ticks. This allows more profit per growth tick using the time you are offline for, when crafters are still running.

And technically the blueberry seeds produce less overall profit, they just generate money faster.

The moment you start talking about what makes the most money per hour, you have to be talking about why per hour gold numbers matter to you, so the number of crafters or the amount of time you play becomes important.

Also, for optimal gold per hour, you'd want as many glow worm farms processing cheap meat/forageables running as possible too.

And gold per hour calculations assume that the crafters are never idle. The moment you have crafters that have finished working and have not put them to work on something else, your gold per hour number starts falling. If you have hours of the crafters being idle while you're offline, then why even bother going for the fastest gold/hr anyway? Why not just make more money overnight?

[daring jetty]

I think you'd have to care about gold/hour if you're looking to make profit

[supple stone]

Well, no. Because it's less profit. You just get the gold faster.
If you can wait overnight, you get more money.

Unless you don't have enough crafters, or are using the crafters for glow worm farms. Then, yes you are correct.

[daring jetty]

I can go on a tangent and use spam pot vs regular hot pot to argue that yes, it does matter

[supple stone]

They're not the same though. Most people don't play regular hotpot over spam pot for a higher chance of winning, they play it for the game.

I've never said gold/hr doesn't have applications, but considering most people will have crafters sitting idle for a large chunk of their offline time, gold/hr isn't always going to be optimal.

[daring jetty]

they're not growing just blueberries. There will always be something else to put into your crafter

funnily processing wood is better than your suggestion of glow worm farm

[supple stone]

If you don't have many crafters and they are always running (even all the time you are offline, without stalling), yes, you want maximal gold/hr.
Otherwise the maths just isn't there to back it up.

[supple stone]

Only whilst you're online. Stacks in a sawmill don't last so long after you leave them, whereas glow worm farms can produce 29 gold per hour for 30 hours uninterrupted.

I'm not sure you appreciate just how much having your crafter idle will affect your average profit per hour. If you play 3 hours per day and the crafters run for another 9 hours afterwards, that's an uptime of 50%. So the true gold per hour would be half what you'd expect.
Probably not realistic numbers, but it makes the point easier to visualise.
And again, depends on how many crafter slots you have (and are using).

But at that point, your 'less profitable' gold per hour blueberry preserves would have overtaken the seeds.

[stable ginkgo]

ok, let's get technical. Blueberry preserves beat blueberry seeds on a gold per tile and gold per hour basis. And then you say that blueberry seeds make the most money, that is not accurate on many fronts. Looking at purely processed crops, bok choy makes the most if you have infinite crafters. Cotton wins with the 30 crafter max. When selling the raw crops as well, blueberry ranks around number 10 on the list of crops.

There is a lot of details that go into gardening profits and what makes something "the best". If you want to check out some deep dive math, i have my data at https://aqajj.net/palia-notes

Let me know how your numbers compare.

[daring jetty]

I say blueberry seeds because the rate it gives makes up for the lowwer rate when growing

much more than bokchoi

[stable ginkgo]

I'll leave the blueberry in cooking comparison to Ren as I don't have numbers on that but I don't think that was a part of your side either.

[supple stone]

To be fair, they brought up blueberry seeds because I advised someone (who asked specifically about what to do with blueberries) to preserve them

Or... Maybe I'm wrong?

[stable ginkgo]

the rate of what exactly when compared to bok choy?

[daring jetty]

if you account growing > seeding> replanting

[stable ginkgo]

the difference between blueberry seeds and preserves is minimal that I say just choose which ever one is easier.

[raw radish]

I have read so many of the pinned guides and still don’t feel like I understand how to set up the most profitable farm

[stable ginkgo]

you do in fact get fewer crops from bok choy compared to blueberry. However the value of the bok choy is so high that selling bok choy raw, without processing into seeds, almost beats the value you get from preserving blueberries. On a gold per hour basis, raw bok choy beats both types of blueberry processes. If you process the bok choy, it's not really close.

I'm always welcome to discussion on math since I love it. Let me know if you still have questions after looking over the data.

[daring jetty]

We can discuss this at another time, i'm pplaying another game 🙂

[supple stone]

What can we help with explaining?

[raw radish]

Quick planner question looking at Ren’s

does this mean I only fertilize the corners with water retention?

Do you have to fertilize every day also or just at the beginning?

[supple stone]

And the middle tile with weed block too!

You need fertiliser to be present for every in-game day (not 100% accurate, but simplest way to explain it). You can stack up to 99 fertiliser on a single tile crop, so you wouldn't need to apply the fertiliser again for a while (depends on your playtime, but if you play 6 hours a day, then it would last 2 irl weeks before you need to reapply the fertiliser)

[raw radish]

Does it show up visually?

If it is stacked, I mean.

[supple stone]

So, fertiliser has a visual indication of pink petals to show it is applied, but to see the stack size you need to hold the key that shows what buffs you have got on the crops. It's G on PC, but I don't have a clue what it is for console.

It will say something like 'Water Retaining 93' if it's getting water retaining buff from the fertiliser.
The 93 is the stack size, so how many fertiliser is left and how many in-game days it will be present for

[raw radish]

Oh awesome!

[supple stone]

If there is no number after the buff name, that means the buff is applied by one of the crops next to it rather than a fertiliser

That 1 middle tile with no harvest boost buff slightly triggers me, I must be honest

[raw radish]

Hahaha I just needed to do something and stop planting wildly

[supple stone]

Honestly, any layout that takes buffs into account will beat planting wildly by a large margin haha

[raw radish]

Can I unplant a seed?

Thank you so much for helping me!

[supple stone]

On, unplant. I was so confused by implant

You can destroy the seed, not unplant it. You will not get it back.
Secondary action with the hoe - this is right click on PC, whatever button you use to change bait/arrow on console

[raw radish]

THANK YOU!

[supple stone]

Welcome ^^

[warm yew]

Asking for a friend since they're shy to ask

When using harvest boost fertilizer, does it need to be applied the moment you plant a seed or can it be before you harvest something for the boost to trigger?

They just got apples so the harvest boost fertilizer is a need especially since they don't play as much ;w;

[clear kindle]

it needs to be there the entire growth cycle of the crop either by fert or crop buffs around it. if days are missed, the percentage that it works will decrease. fertilizer use is determined by how many tiles the crop uses, 1 tile crops take 1 fert per growth tic, 2x2 need 4 fert per tic, and apples need 9 fert per tic (which can get difficult to keep up with as it takes 12 growth tics just to get to first harvest). if you want to go by crop buff (blueberries, apples, beans, rice, wheat or corn all provide harvest boost) then they need to be adjacent for the crop to get the buff, apples in particular need to have three of the same type of buff next to it to get the bonus

[clear kindle]

two examples of apple layouts

[warm yew]

I see I see!
Thank you so much! Sent it to my friend for their reference

[clear kindle]

welcome

[shell junco]

what's the best ingredient for glow worm? I use elderwood orchid or staircase mushroom

[clear kindle]

would still think it's grilled fish, the more expensive the grilled fish (by using rarer fish) the better

just make sure that you are hand selecting what you are grilling together and don't let the system choose for you

[shell junco]

ok2, thank u

[neat vortex]

Those options are both excellent if you want slow and steady, very cheap glow worms and fertilizer, or even just to use your glow worm farms for profit gap-fillers when you have idle crafter slots

[silent otter]

it's based on gold value of whatever you're putting in, iirc it's about 1 worm per 50 gold
i grill my rare fish and throw them in and that works well, could do some uncommon fish too. or if you need a bunch quickly, then the high profit foods like epic sashimi will give a lot
if you don't mind them being slow then you can just use them as a garbage disposal really

(grilling nonstar fish also gives the chance at them being starred and that bumps up the value which is nice)

[woven karma]

idk if tree chopping counts as gardening but i found how how to chop things faster by animation canceling the big swingy stuff so it just shortens the swing instead of holding the choppy button you can let go and press it again to chop faster also bonus movement tech at the end of the video lol just trying to break things

[floral talon]

Yeay animatikn cancelingbis great cuz with it u can even solo chop most flowtrees

[opal hawk]

I don't know if this is a well known issue but its regarding crops and their boosts? i guess. I have the one plot soil and all of them are spreed 1 by 1. I always had one crop 2x2 and it was surrounded by potatoes and corn. My potatoes always watered the corn and the 2x2 crop but recently smth happened and on some soil plots it works and on some it doesnt. It is very irritating because because of it they are not in sinc. I don't know if its like oh they have a chance to water them but i dont think so since i had crops like this for months now and it always worked and stopped last week. So i just wanted to ask is this a bug and should i just wait for it to be fixed or this is like normal that i have all the same planned soils but some of them water themselves and some dont for some reason :'>

[supple stone]

If the layouts are all exactly the same, is there a chance weeds messed things up?
Another possible explanation... if you have a crop that has multiple harvests that is buffed with water retaining, and you miss the first day it is able to be harvested, when you then harvest it, it will need watering. This is to prevent it using water retaining fertiliser if it is placed on a crop when it is ready for harvest and is an intended mechanic.
Could it have been this?

[opal hawk]

hmmmm maybe that is the case the second one, i honestly didnt even know that could happen i gueess i just got lucky till last week that it never happened? i also didnt know weeds could prevent the plant from "watering" other plants

thank you for explaining it to me <33 maybe that is the case

[floral talon]

Weeds dont prevent a plant from giving its buff to other plants

[supple stone]

I meant the weed would prevent the bush from growing, making it out of sync

If you had missed one

[opal hawk]

hmmmmm

well i dont think i ever missed one but the other posibility could definitelly caused it

[ebon oriole]

other thank bokchoy what is better profit as seeds?

[supple stone]

Bok Choy, Potatoes, Rice, Wheat and Beans should be seeded.
Everything else except cotton should be preserved.

This is assuming you have enough crafters to process everything without causing a backlog though. For most players, this isn't an issue unless they have very few crafters or play a LOT every day.
Things get much more complicated if either of these are true though.

Cotton...generally isn't worth growing past level 10 gardening or so, but if you are growing it for profit, you want to seed it.

[ebon oriole]

Thank you Silver! yeah i have 8 jars and 4 seeders out rn. i also have 50 cotton in storage for gifting or quests only lol

[late pendant]

Can we stack different types of fertilizer?

[neat vortex]

Nope, one type per plant. If you put a second kind on top, it will pull up the existing fertilizer

Yeehaw!!

[late pendant]

I stupidly tried stacking 😂

[neat vortex]

I mean, logical to think it might be possible :) But the only way to get multiple buffs on a crop is to use the companion planting system, I'm afraid

(or a combination of companion planting and fertilizer)

well, actually this pic is a little misleading because that bean plant was previously a pepper plant

so I had to have HB fert on most of the plants around it, lol

Now the fertilizer is just sitting there because I will need to grow peppers again, eventually

[shell junco]

Hello, today i found out that beans seed is the 2nd best crop for money, after bokchoy. i m not too fond of bok choy, bcoz it need replanting too fast (i believe 3 days).

I played a bit with planner and need inputs bout it.

here's the link:
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-BtBtOBtBtBkTPBt-TBtBtPBtBtBtOBk-NNNNNNNNN-OBkBtBtBtTBtBtP-BtTPOBtBtBkBtBt-NNNNNNNNN-NNNNNNNNN-NNNNNNNNN-NNNNNNNNN

thinking to do 4x2 instead of 3x3, with 1 extra to plant needed crop for cooking.

Please feel free to give me any suggestion, input.😆

[floral talon]

im pretty sure beans are hte second lowest though

[clear kindle]

thought they were middling along with the apples now since the nerf

(not me thinking about harvesting the blueberries as well for preserves since i'm not getting the growth tics on apples fast enough any more with playing another game)

[neat vortex]

Batterfly beans as seeds (50.6g/tile/tick) are better than:
onion (50.3) (but not by much - 0.3g/tile/tick)
cabbage (45)
blueberries (44)
peppers (43.2)
pumpkins (30.2)
...all as preserves

Apples (51.2) and carrots (51) are just above

(None of the above takes replanting costs into account, however, and you can get bean seeds "for free" via foraging - albeit still at 90g opportunity cost - as long as you can plant unstarred seeds without penalty)

bok choy sold unprocessed is 45g/tile/tick lol

bok choy as seeds is 88

oh and all of these are for starred crops only

[quick mist]

If I have 70 pumpkins and 101 potatoes- how do I maximize profit?

They are quality/starred.

Should I wait to make them into stew for a cooking party or something?

[strong tundra]

Are any of these layouts really early game friendly? I am level 6 farming, have plenty of play time, like can have the game running in the background while I am on leave (nursing newborn, cleaning house, and caring for husband going through chemo) until end of October. I also am not sure what i should be selling vs seeding since i dont have jars yet. Just maxed out my plots and rec'd my first pepper plant

[strong tundra]

So I think i missed this earlier, it is better to sell seeds than plants

[quick mist]

I do know that some make sense as seeds vs plants.

First... I'm so sorry to hear about your husband and will be praying for the family. You're going strong- keep it up!

To your questions....

If you DIY - Cotton is the way to keep you going for fabric furniture.

If you only want profit- make premium cotton, make those seeds, keep your premium seeds feeding your growth stock, and sell excess seeds for profit.

Cotton = plant / profit (Reinald and Shepp's Manual.*)
Bok Choy, Corn, Apple = jams and kimchi, canned corn.
Rice/Wheat = As-is.

If you leave the game idle it'll kick you off eventually.

[neat vortex]

I recommend either the Bullseye or the Three Lines layout for early game, depending on how you feel about store-bought fertilizer, and since they are "AFK" layouts they're pretty ideal for letting the game idle (since they only need attention when something is harvestable/needs replanting).

Here's a larger list of revenue-focused layouts (based on solo processing), some of which are AFK layouts:
#🌱│gardening message

Most of the top cash crops are best seeded, anyway (of the top few, only tomato is best jarred, but you can seed them in the meanwhile until you unlock the preserves jar at level 8).

[quick mist]

Take it slow - the game is here for you. If you leave it idle it'll take a lot of time before you actually get booted from the server. But if you're bouncing back and forth every several minutes, it'll still be up in the background.

[neat vortex]

Also, do know that it's possible to buy fabric, so it may be more effective to farm gold rather than fabric, since you only get 1.5 fabric in 5 days per cotton plant even with harvest boost

I feel like the AFK timer is maybe 30 minutes? But I haven't timed it and I'm also really, really bad at keeping track of the passage of time, lol

[quick mist]

Corrected my above entry. Thanks Eliot!

[strong tundra]

I have ADHD, so time is just a strange concept to me. My watch however does understand it

[neat vortex]

For the pumpkins, you can get a bit more gold out of them by taking them to a cooking party (261/round for pumpkin pie, versus 151 for jarring them), but it's up to you if that's worth the trouble.

Meanwhile, comparatively few recipes call for potatoes, but if you can find a bouillabaisse party or something, that would work out, especially if the hosts use black sea bass instead of cheaper bass (405g/round). It can be a pretty fast recipe, too, if the starter is on top of things.

[neat vortex]

lol yup I have a clock in eyeline in every room, just like my mother XD

'cause the brain ain't keeping track

Additionally, spicy peppers are super useful for cooking (a fair number of popular focus foods call for them, e.g., soon tofu), but they are not worth the tiles they sit on if you're just gonna process and sell them. So, maybe stock up for now (save your unstarred ones, 'cause you can't buy them later!), then switch to something else.

[strong tundra]

Why save unstarred?

I think that is one thing I've been confused about. Can't you do everything with a starred that you can do with an unstarred?

[neat vortex]

You can! Buuuut...

Mistakes happen. Someone forgets to check "use starred" and whooops nobody has unstarred peppers, so you have to wait out the timer until it fails.

You also can't fill requests with starred stuff

Can't tell you how many times my stash of unstarred produce has come in handy

[strong tundra]

I've given maji starred stuff, is there a different type of request than weekly and daily?

[neat vortex]

Player requests :)

For villager gifts you can give them whatever

silly bot

[strong tundra]

... Oh

[neat vortex]

(no bonus points for giving them starred stuff, though)

[strong tundra]

Honestly the only reason that bugs me is the additional cognitive load for processing inventory. It would be easier to just keep starred and not have to think about both

[neat vortex]

Like visually scanning your storage?

[strong tundra]

It is a little hard to explain. With my type of ADHD and all the inputs around me when I'm playing a game, even a small thing can become a huge cognitive load. Inventory management can get very overwhelming when I am overwhelmed. lol I try to keep it super simple. Stars = Keep, Non-Stars = Offload. Something like that

[shell junco]

apparently, update 0.193 change d it

[timid crescent]

Can I get pumpkin seed from the pumpkins I can buy from Badruu's shop? If so, how many pumpkins do I need?

[fallen hound]

Any tips for farming apples and the other foods that take up 4 squares?

[lean lion]

1 of these probably

There are a few in the media section from this channel 😉

[fallen hound]

Where's that at?

[lean lion]

On mobile its clicking on the top on gardening and then media

[fallen hound]

Oh

[supple stone]

Yup, and you just need 1 pumpkin for a seed. Buying from Badruu then seeding is definitely the best way to get your first seed 🙂

[supple stone]

What sort of tips are you looking for?

[fallen hound]

Getting all 4 of them water and weed, harvest boost if possible

I meant 5

[clear kindle]

first one you can easily swap out the blueberries for beans (i'm doing two beans and two blueberries)

[fallen hound]

I created my own apple lazy farm

But the plot image is too big to screenshot with my phone, so I'll explain it

[lean lion]

How to add deed collectors and preserves in the planner?

[fallen hound]

Apples in 4 corners, 1 in middle

Tomatoes, potatoes, cabbage, bok choy, onions, carrots all surrounding the apples in a U shape that face towards the center, while alternating them so they boost each other

[neat vortex]

Sounds about right :)

You can plunk a grain crop (wheat/corn/rice) in the centers as well to help buff the outside crops on the buff modules, but with 5 apple trees, you can only have a maximum of 2 buffs on each of the trees and still have all the buff modules be self-watering/self-weeding

[fallen hound]

Add harvest fertilizer to the apples

[neat vortex]

Yupyup

[supple stone]

Harvest settings > crop setting

[neat vortex]

HB will fill in any gaps :)

[supple stone]

That's quite a bit of fertiliser in the end haha

[neat vortex]

With only 4 apples, it's possible to get all 3 main buffs on the apple trees with the buff modules (just need to put the grains in the outer ring instead and fiddle with which crop is in the middle on a few of 'em)

(put the apples in the center of each edge, basically)

[supple stone]

Though, if you are happy using even more fertiliser, Duhscape has a 6 apple layout

[neat vortex]

Oh yeah, that's also a good one, though it's (funnily) less gold than the one with more of the* the single-tile crops... albeit less replanting work

idr if that layout needs any bought fertilizer

[supple stone]

That's to be expected. Also, his preference for cabbage doesn't help

[supple stone]

I think a small amount in the non apple row ends

[neat vortex]

LOL well DS just uses cabbage as a placeholder because it's visually confusing with apples vs. tomatoes...

but obvs it would make more sense in most cases to just stick with the tomato/potato combo

[supple stone]

I think he uses it in his garden too as it needs replanting less often 😄

[neat vortex]

...than tomatoes?

[supple stone]

Well, harvesting I guess

[neat vortex]

I think the argument was that the harvest times sync up so it's "truly AFK" whatever that means lol

though if you're not home the multi-harvest crops just keep on chugging 🤔 I got three harvests in a row from my tomatoes the other day

[supple stone]

Neat haha

[neat vortex]

(I was online but busy out in Elderwood for a number of hours)

alas that my beans were on their last harvest, but I was in the Fishing Zone...

[fallen hound]

I love this game

[supple stone]

Yeah, as expected, 6 bought fertiliser Ren
#🌱│gardening message

[neat vortex]

Cabbage is just so meh that I think even accounting for lost harvest time, unless you're skipping MULTIPLE harvest days, tomatoes don't suffer enough from the delay to be displaced by cabbage

[supple stone]

Haha, feel you there

[neat vortex]

I have a spreadsheet about this somewhere

[supple stone]

Haha

[fallen hound]

I only added multiple foods to my plot layout so i can have more food for cooking

[supple stone]

If you find it, could be an interesting read

[neat vortex]

(ran numbers for "what if you only harvest your crops every x days?")

[supple stone]

It's a good reason to have more crops!

[neat vortex]

Aha, here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AfqsJjHJbN2WR3x1nYxeA2OP72GKNVfk2aO-4Geeiis/edit?usp=drivesdk

replanting frequency math sheet

[supple stone]

Cool, will have a proper look at this when I can sit down with it 🙂

[floral talon]

Mh i compared it by making a bunch of layouts in the planner it showed beans as the second lowest 2x2 to me strange anyways tnx ren

Apples still superior

[supple stone]

Actually, not when you account for replanting costs. The cost of an apple seed is so high that Beans win out and become better than Apples

And Beans are still the best 2x2 even after the nerf

[floral talon]

Wut to me it showed blues being better

[supple stone]

Are you processing everything?
Blueberries should not be showing as more profitable than Beans...

Not at my PC to double check the gold per tile per day (-replant) numbers I have, but think it's like 48 for Beans, 46 for apples, 40 for spicy pepper /blueberries and 30 for pumpkins (assuming both all starred produce and harvest boost)

(Roughly)

[floral talon]

Yeay i made full layouts everything harvestboosted to compare

[neat vortex]

From the planner, level 50, 180 days averaged, all with HB and with replanting costs accounted for and all starred seeds:

Star beans with HB as seeds, 191g per tick per plant, or 47.8g per tile per tick

Star apple tree with HB as jam, 413g per tick per plant, or 45.9g per tile per tick

Star blueberries with HB as jam, 166g per tick per plant, or 41.5 per tile per tick

Star peppers with HB as jam, 163g per tick, or 40.8g per tile per tick

Star pumpkin with HB, jarred, 121g per tick, or 30.3g per tile per tick (ouch)

If you consider that you get free pepper seeds all the time, and also free bean seeds all the time, so use the unstarred seed values for those (since if you didn't plant them, you'd sell them), that probably changes the math a bit, but I don't feel like messing with that right now.

I feel like "full layouts" could lie, because apples are better at space-filling than the 2x2 crops 🤔

[floral talon]

Yeay i used rice as filler

[supple stone]

Bah, slightly off on the blueberries (I knew it was mildly better than spicy pepper but couldn't remember how much). But, my memory was actually decent there

[neat vortex]

But, speaking practically, it doesn't make any sense to run a "full layout" of beans or apples or whatever, and in that case you've got rice in the mix, which is a powerful cash crop...

[floral talon]

But still 16 2x2 per layout i couldnt get it much above 4k per growthtick

[neat vortex]

3443 for 8 full plots of beans
3302 for 8 full plots of apples
2992 for 8 full plots of blueberries
2938 for 8 full plots of peppers

all HB and with their highest per-crop processing method
18 bushes fit neatly into 8 soil plots in a double row

(not bothering with pumpkins, lol)

It remains that the primary advantage of apples is reducing labor without sacrificing TOO much money-making potential... though they're still producing at a bit over half of what tryharding bok choy would bring in, but tryharding bok choy is miserable for most, I'd wager XD

I do need to adjust my revenue rankings to account for replanting cost tbh

Didn't realize it was knocking apples down by over 5g per tile per tick

[floral talon]

nvm i see what my comparison mistake is i comapred to a normal layout but those alwyas got water retain whcih has potatos which are $_$

[supple stone]

Yeah, apples are hit HARD by replanting costs

[floral talon]

plus i misread the numbers probs yes beans best 2x2(if u hwanna harvest every 2 growthticks)

[supple stone]

Also, 100% on tryharding Bok Choy being miserable

[floral talon]

yes that is super miserable

anyways now my mistake has been corrected i can go back to trying to make that fishing cheatsheet

this owuld be so muhc easier if i know how to use spreadsheets

[supple stone]

Fishing Cheatsheat? Well, good luck ^^

[floral talon]

yeay its a were to fish for makeshift and what other drops and things to consider

[severe pilot]

Gardener at heart and it's going to be the death of my storage.

[haughty hare]

Hi there, i have a question. i am looking up some guides for layout and i noticed that some guides show growth boost in that layout. but when i put this layout in a new planner i do not get the growth boost. so i am curious if this has to do with the seeds having changed and that some no longer have growth boosts? here is a example.

Just to let you guys know, i am still pretty new to Palia. only started playing for a week but already addicted to the gardening lol

It says that blueberries and apples use to give a growth boost.

[supple stone]

Apples used to (ages ago) give a different buff, which is now only available through Speedy Gro fertiliser (Which you have to buy with gardening medals after level 10 gardening...not worth it).
The reason the apple buff was changed is because it was bugged and never really worked as it was intended to. It is still buggy, even with just the fertiliser.
Didn't realise Blueberries gave it too, thought it was only apples haha (I didn't play the game before this change, so wouldn't really know)

So basically, the guides you've found are out of date

There's a pinned message in this channel which includes a link to Shepp Arenvanya's guide, pretty sure that's a good bet

[haughty hare]

Haha okay yeah i figured that was the case, the guide was from 2023 and i have only been playing for a week now.

[supple stone]

Well, welcome to Palia and to Gardening 🙂

[neat vortex]

I think you can craft and place a couple wooden storage chests, if I'm not mistaken, even if you can't buy the upgrade recipes yet :) The cap is 8 chests (as far as expanding your storage goes)

[severe pilot]

I have 8 chests 😭

[supple stone]

I do appreciate the storage space issue, why can't we just have infinite space 🙁

[haughty hare]

Thank you. so which fetilizer is like good to use? as i kind of been using my worm farms to get Harvest Boost Fertilizer.. which i then applied. but then i also realized it wasn't being used because my layout was already 100% Harvest increased.. which kind of led to me having like a inventory full of sh... uhm fertilizer..

[supple stone]

hahaha, oops

Yeah, harvest boost is the most important buff, so if you aren't getting it in your layout, use the fertiliser for it for sure.
For you, it's then personal preference, I like water retaining (Hydro Pro) after Harvest Boost

But weed block is also a decent option

[neat vortex]

I was pretty sure the maximum storage amount for 8 wooden chests was 3200, so I think you can add one more? (Is one of your chests a lockbox, maybe...? those have their own separate cap)

I could very well be wrong

[haughty hare]

Hmm i am at 10k

[neat vortex]

Yeah that's for iron chests :)

[haughty hare]

and there is a grade higher i believe

[neat vortex]

Yupyup, palium chests go up to 14,000

[haughty hare]

ah yeah that is what i meant haha

[supple stone]

(Still not enough)

[haughty hare]

Yeah because of all my gardening mistakes, and me being a hoarder.. its getting full..

[severe pilot]

I'll double check when I get back to my plot. I definitely can't upgrade them yet.

[neat vortex]

somehow my beans stacked up on me to over 700 😭 after a few days of playing too much

[haughty hare]

I started using the seed collectors.. and then i only just realised if i use star crops in them i can make endless star seeds.. so no need for the regular. so yeah im slowly figuring things out.. even though it is slow haha

[supple stone]

Before nerf, I'm guessing?

[neat vortex]

No, after.... v_v